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On a huge fan of photography.
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When I first started taking
photographs, there were not that many
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books available.
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There were not that many photography
books.
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Now
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there's a lot put out every year,
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you say, is just
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eat up
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whatever books I could get and look at
books over and over and on over again.
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So they're very, very important
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to be inspired by
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cardibrazon.
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And then, of course,
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Robert Frank, which they were, the,
consider
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the fathers of 35 millimeter photography
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that they were, the photographers, that
the Sam physical artist
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emulated it.
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What were they trying to
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emphasize?
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It really was this idea of how to see.
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There was never anything
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technical about it.
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It was about how you see.
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But the most classic cardiabors on is
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this picture of the family
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having their picnic on the Riverside.
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But it's a beautiful composition.
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It's just beautiful,
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and it's very inviting.
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Cardibran,
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there was a French version of looking
at life that
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saw the joys in life.
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The matiste
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photographs are charming.
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I think cardibaison really, really,
really liked people, and he liked life.
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Robert Frank, on the other hand, who
was the other
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photographer that
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I looked at very seriously in my early
days,
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was a very serious,
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sort of matter
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of fact.
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And
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the imagery is a little bit tougher,
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definitely a lot tougher.
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This work going across America
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it's
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journalistic commentary,
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very, very strong about
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a look of
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maybe a little dark, some dark stuff in
America.
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It was a Guggenheim fellowship that
allowed Robert Frank to travel across
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the country.
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And some of the imagery
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is so moving and strong.
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And my family spent a lot of time on
the road.
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My father was in the military, and we
travel from
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place to place.
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And
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by car.
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I've always loved this photograph at
the very end of the book,
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the sun is rising in Texas, and he
turns the camera on his wife and child
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in the car out in the middle nowhere,
and takes this photograph
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of the car on the road, us ninety.
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So it's been a beautiful
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image.
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It was Richard avadon that really, even
though I was probably looking at Irving
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pen's photographs, I didn't know it,
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I was more spellbound with Richard
avadon.
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I really admired his ability to
psychologically
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create a portrait out of nothing except
the person and himself.
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And he was brilliant.
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He had a roll of lex that was on his
chest,
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or an eight by ten camera that was to
his side.
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And he
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talked to the subject,
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just the power,
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you don't feel the camera, and you're
really seeing the people.
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Truly
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a brilliant
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man and a brilliant photographer.
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I was enamored
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with the simplicity of the white paper,
his ability to group people.
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This one, the Chicago seven
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people just walked in off the street and
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didn't do anything to them.
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He just was just standing up and
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was taking these photographs.
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Very strong.
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He did an incredible series for
rollingstone magazine called the family
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on government and life in America
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at that time.
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What was also very important about him
is he
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produced books that
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really emulated what cardi ambrizon
started to do, which
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had important essays in them,
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and
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gathered his photographs,
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put them together editorially, and said
something about his work
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in the work.
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And he was a very important
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person to me, as far as
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great example
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for what to do,
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how important it was to do, to do
books, and to stop
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and look back at her.
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The very beginning of the book has
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photographs of his parents
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he's, saying that he took his first
photograph of his mother and father,
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nineteen o two, and here he is taking
probably the last photographs of his
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parents at the end of the book,
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that they're the most
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beautiful imagery
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from one man's life,
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and
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they're beautiful.
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There's a whole series on this
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woman he was in love with,
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that just are extraordinary.
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And he was an inventor.
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He was there, you know,
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for the first airplanes.
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And
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then these extraordinary,
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this used to drive me
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crazy.
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This
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photograph of a race car with the wheel
going the one way, and
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the people going in others, because the
shutter of the camera pulled across
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this way, and
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it was actually taking this part of the
picture, and then it was taking this
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part of the picture.
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And so
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it almost looks like
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you can't believe, this kind of strange
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with the wheel.
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And the people.
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I loved this book
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for the longest time, I would say it
was definitely my favorite book.
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Dianars used central park.
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She would just walk across the central
park and use it as a place to take a picture.
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And one of my favorite photographs of
the book is
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that lillie and Dorothy Gish, the two
sisters
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standing in the snow in central park,
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just sort of like hugging each other.
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And so
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I just love the simplicity.
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If she would just walk.
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And, I mean, she would walk through the
park, and she would walk through the
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streets and take pictures.
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I loved this picture.
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Jacqueline Suzanne and her husband at
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the brevery hills.
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Hotel
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it's just so
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revealing about them.
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This book of her magazine work
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was very, very important to me.
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I would look at it time and time again.
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When it comes to portrait work,
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I end up going back to these images,
talking about these images this diglas
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did of George o Keith.
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I mean, they were in love with each
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They were married.
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He was a great artist.
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She was a great artist.
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I really feel like she was taking the
pictures
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when he took her picture.
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She very much knew how to be amused for
him and enjoyed posing for him.
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And she gave him so much.
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You're seeing a woman in love with a man
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in love, and it's not,
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it's certainly not in the movies.
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I mean, Stephanie she's a very strong
woman,
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and she's holding her own,
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and there's
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some strength, but
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she's also
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so beautiful and so in love herself.
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But they're extremely intimate
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photographs.
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I mean, he's in love with her, and
she's in love with him,
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and he loves photography.
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And
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she loves
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him in art.
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She trusts him completely.
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She loves him.
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She's just
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totally
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given herself
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to him.
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And this
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still holding on to herself a little
bit,
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totally
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some miracle.
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This is on
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it's captured on
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film.
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I love when she's not looking at him,
because it shows how much he loves her.
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Those are probably the greatest
portraits of redonna's frog, miss worm.
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These photographs of sallyman's
children are so beautiful.
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And when you become a mother,
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is such an instant experience
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with your children.
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And
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I find it very brave that the selly man
would share
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this intimacy
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with us,
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anyone who would
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criticize that
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they should be danced.
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Because
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when you're a photographer,
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you see, and you can't stop seeing,
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she broke through into that intimacy
that we.
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We don't get it anywhere else.
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And
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there's nothing but love
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in this work.
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I think what Hockney does
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for us as photographers is
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makes it quite clear that
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on some level the camera doesn't work
anymore.
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I mean,
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it's so limiting.
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It's just
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their rectangles
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are holding you in on some level.
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And I think what was so brilliant about
hockney's
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study and perspective
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where he opened it up and started this
collage work.
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Was, it really,
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to me, was the closest thing I'd ever
seen to how the eye sees, that
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your eye doesn't see just straight
ahead, it sees the side.
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It is an art to put it back into
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a frame and into a rectangle.
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What you see
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there's something extraordinary about
opening that up
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and just
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letting it go.
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And he taught me a lot about that.
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For a while.
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I was taking photographs so that
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I shot to the left and I shot to the
right, and I put them together just so
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that I could
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see left and right, and put it
together.
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And it doesn't look so different.
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It allows you
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the ability to have a
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wider,
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a wider viewpoint, without distorting
it with a lens.
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It doesn't work in the long run,
because if you want spontaneity,
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something is happening over here
different than what's happening over there.
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And it doesn't always go together.
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It gets a little messy.
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Artist who influenced me, David
Hockney, is
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on the top of the list.
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I mean, primarily
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his
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fascination
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with perspective and his study of
perspective.
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I was sort of brought to my knees when
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I saw his work with the polaroids,
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that it sort of expanded the frame of
the camera.
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You know, I think it's a great exercise
to
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take your camera and
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point it left, right up, down,
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take a
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photograph, that
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is, many photographs, you know, like a
collage,
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put it together like that, see what it
means to break
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the
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Borders,
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to break the Borders of the rectangle,
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expand and
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seek outside of that,
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outside of that rectangle.
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It's quite interesting, because in a
recent article on David Hockney in the
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New York Times, he talks about he's now
studying reverse perspective, which
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means that, if he thinks that
perspective is sort of overrated,
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and especially in art,
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in painting and drawing, and
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it's kind of beautiful,
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I've always been a bit jealous
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in painting and drawing
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that
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you could,
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then an arm could be longer, or
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something could be moved.
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interesting about learning about that.
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So again, the exercise is to
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take your camera and
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take a photograph with many
photographs, and
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collage them together, and see what it
feels like to
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break that border of the rectangle, or
the square,
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