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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:08,975 --> 00:00:11,11 On a huge fan of photography. 2 00:00:11,778 --> 00:00:14,581 When I first started taking photographs, there were not that many 3 00:00:14,681 --> 00:00:15,548 books available. 4 00:00:15,849 --> 00:00:17,217 There were not that many photography books. 5 00:00:17,317 --> 00:00:18,318 Now 6 00:00:18,651 --> 00:00:20,320 there's a lot put out every year, 7 00:00:21,554 --> 00:00:22,389 you say, is just 8 00:00:24,190 --> 00:00:24,624 eat up 9 00:00:25,291 --> 00:00:31,31 whatever books I could get and look at books over and over and on over again. 10 00:00:31,631 --> 00:00:32,966 So they're very, very important 11 00:00:42,8 --> 00:00:43,510 to be inspired by 12 00:00:43,710 --> 00:00:43,877 cardibrazon. 13 00:00:44,678 --> 00:00:45,445 And then, of course, 14 00:00:49,49 --> 00:00:51,718 Robert Frank, which they were, the, consider 15 00:00:52,752 --> 00:00:55,522 the fathers of 35 millimeter photography 16 00:01:00,26 --> 00:01:03,897 that they were, the photographers, that the Sam physical artist 17 00:01:04,597 --> 00:01:06,66 emulated it. 18 00:01:07,701 --> 00:01:09,602 What were they trying to 19 00:01:11,71 --> 00:01:11,237 emphasize? 20 00:01:11,771 --> 00:01:14,174 It really was this idea of how to see. 21 00:01:15,208 --> 00:01:16,643 There was never anything 22 00:01:17,610 --> 00:01:18,678 technical about it. 23 00:01:18,912 --> 00:01:21,114 It was about how you see. 24 00:01:22,415 --> 00:01:24,951 But the most classic cardiabors on is 25 00:01:25,552 --> 00:01:26,986 this picture of the family 26 00:01:28,121 --> 00:01:30,390 having their picnic on the Riverside. 27 00:01:31,691 --> 00:01:33,393 But it's a beautiful composition. 28 00:01:34,27 --> 00:01:34,427 It's just beautiful, 29 00:01:35,695 --> 00:01:37,931 and it's very inviting. 30 00:01:38,231 --> 00:01:39,499 Cardibran, 31 00:01:40,667 --> 00:01:44,304 there was a French version of looking at life that 32 00:01:45,71 --> 00:01:46,406 saw the joys in life. 33 00:01:48,41 --> 00:01:48,641 The matiste 34 00:01:49,75 --> 00:01:50,543 photographs are charming. 35 00:01:51,311 --> 00:01:55,348 I think cardibaison really, really, really liked people, and he liked life. 36 00:02:04,991 --> 00:02:08,161 Robert Frank, on the other hand, who was the other 37 00:02:10,497 --> 00:02:11,831 photographer that 38 00:02:14,34 --> 00:02:18,71 I looked at very seriously in my early days, 39 00:02:19,873 --> 00:02:20,974 was a very serious, 40 00:02:24,277 --> 00:02:25,278 sort of matter 41 00:02:25,879 --> 00:02:26,279 of fact. 42 00:02:26,513 --> 00:02:26,880 And 43 00:02:28,648 --> 00:02:30,16 the imagery is a little bit tougher, 44 00:02:31,151 --> 00:02:32,252 definitely a lot tougher. 45 00:02:33,453 --> 00:02:35,55 This work going across America 46 00:02:36,556 --> 00:02:37,757 it's 47 00:02:38,91 --> 00:02:39,59 journalistic commentary, 48 00:02:40,93 --> 00:02:41,594 very, very strong about 49 00:02:42,28 --> 00:02:43,496 a look of 50 00:02:44,330 --> 00:02:47,33 maybe a little dark, some dark stuff in America. 51 00:02:48,335 --> 00:02:52,339 It was a Guggenheim fellowship that allowed Robert Frank to travel across 52 00:02:52,439 --> 00:02:52,739 the country. 53 00:02:53,239 --> 00:02:54,507 And some of the imagery 54 00:02:55,608 --> 00:02:58,78 is so moving and strong. 55 00:02:59,479 --> 00:03:01,614 And my family spent a lot of time on the road. 56 00:03:02,182 --> 00:03:04,818 My father was in the military, and we travel from 57 00:03:05,452 --> 00:03:06,186 place to place. 58 00:03:06,419 --> 00:03:07,187 And 59 00:03:08,755 --> 00:03:09,589 by car. 60 00:03:10,590 --> 00:03:13,927 I've always loved this photograph at the very end of the book, 61 00:03:14,194 --> 00:03:18,765 the sun is rising in Texas, and he turns the camera on his wife and child 62 00:03:19,132 --> 00:03:23,36 in the car out in the middle nowhere, and takes this photograph 63 00:03:23,636 --> 00:03:26,573 of the car on the road, us ninety. 64 00:03:27,874 --> 00:03:29,109 So it's been a beautiful 65 00:03:30,543 --> 00:03:31,211 image. 66 00:03:38,251 --> 00:03:41,721 It was Richard avadon that really, even though I was probably looking at Irving 67 00:03:41,855 --> 00:03:43,790 pen's photographs, I didn't know it, 68 00:03:44,824 --> 00:03:47,527 I was more spellbound with Richard avadon. 69 00:03:48,495 --> 00:03:51,698 I really admired his ability to psychologically 70 00:03:52,999 --> 00:03:57,3 create a portrait out of nothing except the person and himself. 71 00:03:57,237 --> 00:03:58,571 And he was brilliant. 72 00:03:58,905 --> 00:04:00,974 He had a roll of lex that was on his chest, 73 00:04:01,875 --> 00:04:04,644 or an eight by ten camera that was to his side. 74 00:04:05,311 --> 00:04:06,546 And he 75 00:04:06,813 --> 00:04:07,847 talked to the subject, 76 00:04:09,49 --> 00:04:09,916 just the power, 77 00:04:10,984 --> 00:04:13,920 you don't feel the camera, and you're really seeing the people. 78 00:04:15,989 --> 00:04:16,990 Truly 79 00:04:18,191 --> 00:04:18,425 a brilliant 80 00:04:20,26 --> 00:04:21,594 man and a brilliant photographer. 81 00:04:22,195 --> 00:04:22,495 I was enamored 82 00:04:23,630 --> 00:04:28,635 with the simplicity of the white paper, his ability to group people. 83 00:04:29,936 --> 00:04:31,304 This one, the Chicago seven 84 00:04:32,906 --> 00:04:34,708 people just walked in off the street and 85 00:04:35,608 --> 00:04:36,743 didn't do anything to them. 86 00:04:36,743 --> 00:04:38,411 He just was just standing up and 87 00:04:40,113 --> 00:04:41,281 was taking these photographs. 88 00:04:42,349 --> 00:04:42,882 Very strong. 89 00:04:44,584 --> 00:04:47,854 He did an incredible series for rollingstone magazine called the family 90 00:04:48,888 --> 00:04:50,890 on government and life in America 91 00:04:51,958 --> 00:04:52,792 at that time. 92 00:04:54,94 --> 00:04:57,263 What was also very important about him is he 93 00:04:58,98 --> 00:04:59,532 produced books that 94 00:05:00,333 --> 00:05:03,837 really emulated what cardi ambrizon started to do, which 95 00:05:04,738 --> 00:05:06,239 had important essays in them, 96 00:05:06,573 --> 00:05:07,374 and 97 00:05:08,341 --> 00:05:09,909 gathered his photographs, 98 00:05:11,311 --> 00:05:15,548 put them together editorially, and said something about his work 99 00:05:17,217 --> 00:05:18,84 in the work. 100 00:05:18,518 --> 00:05:20,954 And he was a very important 101 00:05:22,489 --> 00:05:23,990 person to me, as far as 102 00:05:25,692 --> 00:05:25,959 great example 103 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:28,328 for what to do, 104 00:05:28,895 --> 00:05:32,465 how important it was to do, to do books, and to stop 105 00:05:32,732 --> 00:05:33,700 and look back at her. 106 00:05:40,106 --> 00:05:41,908 The very beginning of the book has 107 00:05:44,277 --> 00:05:46,246 photographs of his parents 108 00:05:47,947 --> 00:05:51,84 he's, saying that he took his first photograph of his mother and father, 109 00:05:51,217 --> 00:05:56,89 nineteen o two, and here he is taking probably the last photographs of his 110 00:05:56,89 --> 00:05:57,290 parents at the end of the book, 111 00:05:58,825 --> 00:06:00,460 that they're the most 112 00:06:01,394 --> 00:06:02,95 beautiful imagery 113 00:06:03,396 --> 00:06:04,631 from one man's life, 114 00:06:05,765 --> 00:06:05,932 and 115 00:06:07,534 --> 00:06:08,34 they're beautiful. 116 00:06:08,835 --> 00:06:10,70 There's a whole series on this 117 00:06:11,304 --> 00:06:12,472 woman he was in love with, 118 00:06:14,107 --> 00:06:16,176 that just are extraordinary. 119 00:06:17,777 --> 00:06:18,745 And he was an inventor. 120 00:06:19,379 --> 00:06:20,647 He was there, you know, 121 00:06:21,214 --> 00:06:22,415 for the first airplanes. 122 00:06:23,149 --> 00:06:23,683 And 123 00:06:24,351 --> 00:06:24,818 then these extraordinary, 124 00:06:26,19 --> 00:06:27,187 this used to drive me 125 00:06:27,554 --> 00:06:27,721 crazy. 126 00:06:28,121 --> 00:06:28,488 This 127 00:06:29,55 --> 00:06:32,692 photograph of a race car with the wheel going the one way, and 128 00:06:34,94 --> 00:06:37,797 the people going in others, because the shutter of the camera pulled across 129 00:06:38,264 --> 00:06:39,399 this way, and 130 00:06:40,834 --> 00:06:43,636 it was actually taking this part of the picture, and then it was taking this 131 00:06:43,703 --> 00:06:44,270 part of the picture. 132 00:06:44,971 --> 00:06:46,72 And so 133 00:06:46,172 --> 00:06:47,207 it almost looks like 134 00:06:47,474 --> 00:06:48,908 you can't believe, this kind of strange 135 00:06:51,211 --> 00:06:51,711 with the wheel. 136 00:06:51,878 --> 00:06:52,479 And the people. 137 00:06:57,851 --> 00:06:58,885 I loved this book 138 00:06:59,953 --> 00:07:03,56 for the longest time, I would say it was definitely my favorite book. 139 00:07:12,432 --> 00:07:13,967 Dianars used central park. 140 00:07:14,100 --> 00:07:18,71 She would just walk across the central park and use it as a place to take a picture. 141 00:07:18,571 --> 00:07:21,908 And one of my favorite photographs of the book is 142 00:07:22,575 --> 00:07:25,445 that lillie and Dorothy Gish, the two sisters 143 00:07:25,945 --> 00:07:27,514 standing in the snow in central park, 144 00:07:28,581 --> 00:07:30,283 just sort of like hugging each other. 145 00:07:30,817 --> 00:07:31,184 And so 146 00:07:32,919 --> 00:07:33,887 I just love the simplicity. 147 00:07:34,254 --> 00:07:35,388 If she would just walk. 148 00:07:35,555 --> 00:07:38,191 And, I mean, she would walk through the park, and she would walk through the 149 00:07:38,191 --> 00:07:39,359 streets and take pictures. 150 00:07:40,427 --> 00:07:41,594 I loved this picture. 151 00:07:42,95 --> 00:07:44,97 Jacqueline Suzanne and her husband at 152 00:07:45,231 --> 00:07:45,865 the brevery hills. 153 00:07:45,932 --> 00:07:46,399 Hotel 154 00:07:47,300 --> 00:07:48,168 it's just so 155 00:07:48,568 --> 00:07:50,704 revealing about them. 156 00:07:52,38 --> 00:07:53,907 This book of her magazine work 157 00:07:54,107 --> 00:07:55,675 was very, very important to me. 158 00:07:57,210 --> 00:07:59,346 I would look at it time and time again. 159 00:08:05,618 --> 00:08:07,754 When it comes to portrait work, 160 00:08:09,289 --> 00:08:14,227 I end up going back to these images, talking about these images this diglas 161 00:08:14,994 --> 00:08:16,496 did of George o Keith. 162 00:08:17,530 --> 00:08:18,832 I mean, they were in love with each other. 163 00:08:18,898 --> 00:08:19,399 They were married. 164 00:08:19,632 --> 00:08:20,500 He was a great artist. 165 00:08:20,834 --> 00:08:21,935 She was a great artist. 166 00:08:23,370 --> 00:08:25,605 I really feel like she was taking the pictures 167 00:08:26,172 --> 00:08:27,507 when he took her picture. 168 00:08:27,941 --> 00:08:32,946 She very much knew how to be amused for him and enjoyed posing for him. 169 00:08:33,780 --> 00:08:36,16 And she gave him so much. 170 00:08:37,384 --> 00:08:39,686 You're seeing a woman in love with a man 171 00:08:40,820 --> 00:08:43,56 in love, and it's not, 172 00:08:45,291 --> 00:08:46,593 it's certainly not in the movies. 173 00:08:46,993 --> 00:08:49,929 I mean, Stephanie she's a very strong woman, 174 00:08:52,32 --> 00:08:53,266 and she's holding her own, 175 00:08:54,34 --> 00:08:54,734 and there's 176 00:08:55,535 --> 00:08:56,336 some strength, but 177 00:08:57,470 --> 00:08:58,571 she's also 178 00:09:00,106 --> 00:09:01,941 so beautiful and so in love herself. 179 00:09:02,342 --> 00:09:04,644 But they're extremely intimate 180 00:09:05,612 --> 00:09:05,779 photographs. 181 00:09:06,346 --> 00:09:09,282 I mean, he's in love with her, and she's in love with him, 182 00:09:09,616 --> 00:09:10,684 and he loves photography. 183 00:09:11,217 --> 00:09:11,518 And 184 00:09:12,919 --> 00:09:13,586 she loves 185 00:09:14,20 --> 00:09:15,55 him in art. 186 00:09:15,555 --> 00:09:17,290 She trusts him completely. 187 00:09:18,491 --> 00:09:19,526 She loves him. 188 00:09:20,193 --> 00:09:20,627 She's just 189 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:21,761 totally 190 00:09:22,95 --> 00:09:23,29 given herself 191 00:09:25,465 --> 00:09:26,66 to him. 192 00:09:27,0 --> 00:09:27,534 And this 193 00:09:29,69 --> 00:09:30,403 still holding on to herself a little bit, 194 00:09:31,671 --> 00:09:32,472 totally 195 00:09:36,910 --> 00:09:37,310 some miracle. 196 00:09:37,777 --> 00:09:38,545 This is on 197 00:09:39,479 --> 00:09:40,647 it's captured on 198 00:09:40,947 --> 00:09:41,748 film. 199 00:09:43,216 --> 00:09:48,154 I love when she's not looking at him, because it shows how much he loves her. 200 00:09:49,155 --> 00:09:52,425 Those are probably the greatest portraits of redonna's frog, miss worm. 201 00:10:00,100 --> 00:10:03,36 These photographs of sallyman's children are so beautiful. 202 00:10:04,337 --> 00:10:05,772 And when you become a mother, 203 00:10:06,973 --> 00:10:08,975 is such an instant experience 204 00:10:10,343 --> 00:10:10,910 with your children. 205 00:10:11,544 --> 00:10:12,12 And 206 00:10:12,912 --> 00:10:16,649 I find it very brave that the selly man would share 207 00:10:17,851 --> 00:10:18,118 this intimacy 208 00:10:19,152 --> 00:10:19,686 with us, 209 00:10:21,388 --> 00:10:22,389 anyone who would 210 00:10:22,822 --> 00:10:23,556 criticize that 211 00:10:25,158 --> 00:10:25,859 they should be danced. 212 00:10:26,359 --> 00:10:26,893 Because 213 00:10:27,460 --> 00:10:28,795 when you're a photographer, 214 00:10:29,229 --> 00:10:31,364 you see, and you can't stop seeing, 215 00:10:33,233 --> 00:10:36,970 she broke through into that intimacy that we. 216 00:10:37,704 --> 00:10:39,372 We don't get it anywhere else. 217 00:10:41,274 --> 00:10:42,242 And 218 00:10:42,909 --> 00:10:44,144 there's nothing but love 219 00:10:45,311 --> 00:10:45,912 in this work. 220 00:10:53,853 --> 00:10:55,522 I think what Hockney does 221 00:10:56,22 --> 00:10:57,924 for us as photographers is 222 00:11:00,26 --> 00:11:02,95 makes it quite clear that 223 00:11:03,930 --> 00:11:06,199 on some level the camera doesn't work anymore. 224 00:11:06,900 --> 00:11:07,667 I mean, 225 00:11:10,270 --> 00:11:10,904 it's so limiting. 226 00:11:11,304 --> 00:11:11,671 It's just 227 00:11:12,38 --> 00:11:12,272 their rectangles 228 00:11:13,373 --> 00:11:15,542 are holding you in on some level. 229 00:11:15,775 --> 00:11:18,611 And I think what was so brilliant about hockney's 230 00:11:19,145 --> 00:11:19,779 study and perspective 231 00:11:20,980 --> 00:11:23,717 where he opened it up and started this collage work. 232 00:11:23,783 --> 00:11:24,351 Was, it really, 233 00:11:25,452 --> 00:11:30,90 to me, was the closest thing I'd ever seen to how the eye sees, that 234 00:11:30,490 --> 00:11:34,227 your eye doesn't see just straight ahead, it sees the side. 235 00:11:35,228 --> 00:11:38,64 It is an art to put it back into 236 00:11:38,264 --> 00:11:40,166 a frame and into a rectangle. 237 00:11:40,734 --> 00:11:41,601 What you see 238 00:11:42,502 --> 00:11:46,72 there's something extraordinary about opening that up 239 00:11:46,673 --> 00:11:47,207 and just 240 00:11:47,874 --> 00:11:48,975 letting it go. 241 00:11:50,510 --> 00:11:52,812 And he taught me a lot about that. 242 00:11:54,114 --> 00:11:54,681 For a while. 243 00:11:54,914 --> 00:11:56,950 I was taking photographs so that 244 00:11:58,118 --> 00:12:01,788 I shot to the left and I shot to the right, and I put them together just so 245 00:12:01,855 --> 00:12:02,555 that I could 246 00:12:04,257 --> 00:12:06,359 see left and right, and put it together. 247 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,829 And it doesn't look so different. 248 00:12:10,830 --> 00:12:12,465 It allows you 249 00:12:13,700 --> 00:12:14,734 the ability to have a 250 00:12:16,636 --> 00:12:17,604 wider, 251 00:12:20,573 --> 00:12:23,309 a wider viewpoint, without distorting it with a lens. 252 00:12:23,943 --> 00:12:25,945 It doesn't work in the long run, because if you want spontaneity, 253 00:12:27,714 --> 00:12:31,51 something is happening over here different than what's happening over there. 254 00:12:32,252 --> 00:12:33,553 And it doesn't always go together. 255 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:35,55 It gets a little messy. 256 00:12:42,195 --> 00:12:44,631 Artist who influenced me, David Hockney, is 257 00:12:46,266 --> 00:12:47,701 on the top of the list. 258 00:12:47,934 --> 00:12:49,436 I mean, primarily 259 00:12:49,936 --> 00:12:50,403 his 260 00:12:51,504 --> 00:12:52,105 fascination 261 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,176 with perspective and his study of perspective. 262 00:12:56,810 --> 00:12:57,277 And 263 00:12:58,745 --> 00:13:00,947 I was sort of brought to my knees when 264 00:13:02,749 --> 00:13:04,951 I saw his work with the polaroids, 265 00:13:08,421 --> 00:13:12,158 that it sort of expanded the frame of the camera. 266 00:13:13,293 --> 00:13:16,629 You know, I think it's a great exercise to 267 00:13:17,397 --> 00:13:19,32 take your camera and 268 00:13:20,266 --> 00:13:22,569 point it left, right up, down, 269 00:13:23,636 --> 00:13:24,304 take a 270 00:13:25,538 --> 00:13:26,573 photograph, that 271 00:13:27,474 --> 00:13:29,309 is, many photographs, you know, like a collage, 272 00:13:30,677 --> 00:13:33,613 put it together like that, see what it means to break 273 00:13:34,547 --> 00:13:35,515 the 274 00:13:37,450 --> 00:13:37,784 Borders, 275 00:13:39,152 --> 00:13:42,655 to break the Borders of the rectangle, or the square, and see what it means to 276 00:13:42,989 --> 00:13:44,624 expand and 277 00:13:45,291 --> 00:13:46,559 seek outside of that, 278 00:13:46,993 --> 00:13:48,495 outside of that rectangle. 279 00:13:50,30 --> 00:13:54,334 It's quite interesting, because in a recent article on David Hockney in the 280 00:13:54,334 --> 00:13:58,838 New York Times, he talks about he's now studying reverse perspective, which 281 00:13:58,905 --> 00:14:02,275 means that, if he thinks that perspective is sort of overrated, 282 00:14:03,943 --> 00:14:05,111 and especially in art, 283 00:14:06,12 --> 00:14:08,14 in painting and drawing, and 284 00:14:11,618 --> 00:14:12,952 it's kind of beautiful, 285 00:14:13,787 --> 00:14:14,754 I've always been a bit jealous 286 00:14:16,589 --> 00:14:18,91 in painting and drawing 287 00:14:18,391 --> 00:14:19,25 that 288 00:14:19,793 --> 00:14:20,326 you could, 289 00:14:21,928 --> 00:14:23,463 then an arm could be longer, or 290 00:14:24,998 --> 00:14:26,866 something could be moved. 291 00:14:27,867 --> 00:14:29,602 And I think that there's something 292 00:14:30,170 --> 00:14:31,638 interesting about learning about that. 293 00:14:31,705 --> 00:14:34,708 So again, the exercise is to 294 00:14:35,475 --> 00:14:36,509 take your camera and 295 00:14:37,711 --> 00:14:40,13 take a photograph with many photographs, and 296 00:14:41,481 --> 00:14:44,951 collage them together, and see what it feels like to 297 00:14:45,318 --> 00:14:48,655 break that border of the rectangle, or the square, 20720

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