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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:40,008 --> 00:00:41,134 All rise. 2 00:00:50,215 --> 00:00:51,512 All rise. 3 00:01:14,265 --> 00:01:17,201 In reviewing whether the decision 4 00:01:17,268 --> 00:01:21,465 to withdraw legal aid funding from Sergeant Brian Meam was reasonable, 5 00:01:21,537 --> 00:01:24,438 Mr Justice Niven concluded that it was. 6 00:01:24,506 --> 00:01:28,738 Subsequently, the suitability for Mr Justice Niven to sit in this case 7 00:01:28,809 --> 00:01:30,835 was called into question. 8 00:01:31,011 --> 00:01:35,470 So we are here now to examine whether his ruling should be set aside 9 00:01:35,547 --> 00:01:39,779 for bias or apparent bias. 10 00:01:39,850 --> 00:01:43,649 Is the Legal Services Commission not represented by counsel? 11 00:01:43,719 --> 00:01:48,020 Sir, Peter Dulford and his junior have been delayed. 12 00:01:48,723 --> 00:01:51,693 Sir Peter knew that he was required to stand by for this hearing. 13 00:01:51,759 --> 00:01:53,693 It was unavoidable, sir. 14 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:58,489 Well, then, it looks like this review will be heard without his contribution. 15 00:01:58,564 --> 00:02:01,327 My Lord, might I request an adjournment? 16 00:02:01,398 --> 00:02:02,923 And you are? 17 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,799 Henry Door, solicitor to the Legal Services Commission. 18 00:02:05,869 --> 00:02:08,029 Do you have any right of audience here, Mr Door? 19 00:02:08,103 --> 00:02:09,628 No, I don't, sir. 20 00:02:09,705 --> 00:02:12,071 Then please sit down. Mrs Mills? 21 00:02:16,743 --> 00:02:21,271 Five years ago, two years after he was diagnosed with neural deficit, 22 00:02:21,347 --> 00:02:24,714 Sergeant and Mrs Meam were awarded a funding certificate 23 00:02:24,782 --> 00:02:26,808 from the then Legal Aid Board. 24 00:02:26,884 --> 00:02:28,942 This money was for research 25 00:02:29,018 --> 00:02:33,080 into the nature of his persistent and worsening illness and the likely cause. 26 00:02:33,155 --> 00:02:36,146 It was also unbearably stressful for both of them 27 00:02:36,223 --> 00:02:39,715 and their son David, who became severely depressed. 28 00:02:40,427 --> 00:02:43,521 Two weeks ago, Sergeant Meam had become so desperate 29 00:02:43,596 --> 00:02:46,189 he took his own life and that of his child 30 00:02:46,263 --> 00:02:50,290 by driving the family car into a river whilst they were both strapped in. 31 00:02:50,367 --> 00:02:54,702 Mrs Mills, we cannot accept your assertion of the cause of death. 32 00:02:55,471 --> 00:02:58,463 That must be left to the coroner to determine. 33 00:02:59,173 --> 00:03:00,868 Yes, of course, My Lord. 34 00:03:01,908 --> 00:03:04,878 Over this period, the Legal Aid Board, 35 00:03:04,945 --> 00:03:07,572 which became the Legal Services Commission, 36 00:03:07,646 --> 00:03:09,774 wavered several times in their support, 37 00:03:09,848 --> 00:03:14,045 demanding more and more evidence, twice suspending funding. 38 00:03:14,350 --> 00:03:17,513 Then in August, they withdrew funding completely 39 00:03:17,886 --> 00:03:20,583 as this test case was about to go to the High Court. 40 00:03:20,656 --> 00:03:23,420 - Was a reason given for this? - Lack of evidence. 41 00:03:23,491 --> 00:03:26,858 The claim, in their view, hadn't a better than 50% chance of succeeding. 42 00:03:26,926 --> 00:03:29,395 But then we acquired evidence 43 00:03:29,462 --> 00:03:32,522 that the Association of British Pharmaceutical Industries 44 00:03:32,598 --> 00:03:37,261 was putting pressure on the Government to stop this trial from going forward. 45 00:03:38,035 --> 00:03:39,560 Was there a reason given? 46 00:03:39,636 --> 00:03:44,129 The basis was that the drugs involved brought too much benefit as a whole. 47 00:03:44,472 --> 00:03:47,771 - And was this put to the LSC? - They said it was inconclusive 48 00:03:47,841 --> 00:03:51,004 and referred us to the earlier review by Mr Justice Niven. 49 00:03:51,077 --> 00:03:55,775 Was Mr Justice Niven aware of the new evidence? 50 00:03:55,846 --> 00:03:58,145 We didn't have it at that time. 51 00:03:59,116 --> 00:04:04,076 We are here to examine evidence of bias. 52 00:04:04,154 --> 00:04:06,917 And I'm going to do that 53 00:04:06,988 --> 00:04:11,618 in the context of the original arguments of the merits of the case. 54 00:04:12,526 --> 00:04:16,018 My Lord, this is opening the way to a full-scale review. 55 00:04:16,095 --> 00:04:19,155 Mr Door, you don't have right of audience here. 56 00:04:20,831 --> 00:04:23,595 Any decision will be overturned on appeal, Henry. 57 00:04:23,666 --> 00:04:27,158 Sir Michael Niven would prefer not to risk it, Sir Peter. 58 00:04:27,235 --> 00:04:30,568 Hmm. Then we'd better start running to put out the fire. 59 00:04:36,776 --> 00:04:38,768 A civil servant at the Department of Health 60 00:04:38,845 --> 00:04:41,438 contacted the solicitors acting for Mrs Meam 61 00:04:41,512 --> 00:04:43,572 following the death of her husband and son. 62 00:04:43,648 --> 00:04:46,276 He said that a meeting was held 63 00:04:46,349 --> 00:04:50,809 between Sir Percy Thrower, the Permanent Secretary at the Home Office, 64 00:04:51,153 --> 00:04:53,280 his opposite number at the Department of Health 65 00:04:53,354 --> 00:04:56,290 and Samuel Butler, the CEO of Caversham, 66 00:04:56,357 --> 00:04:59,520 the manufacturers of the drugs given to soldiers. 67 00:05:00,293 --> 00:05:01,885 Are you calling this whistleblower? 68 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,020 To do so would cost him his job. 69 00:05:08,865 --> 00:05:10,391 Ah, Sir Peter. 70 00:05:10,468 --> 00:05:11,628 Our apologies, My Lord. 71 00:05:11,701 --> 00:05:15,296 The case we're in ran on and this case was listed at such short notice. 72 00:05:15,370 --> 00:05:17,396 Do you have argument for the court in this review? 73 00:05:17,472 --> 00:05:18,667 We do indeed, My Lord. 74 00:05:18,740 --> 00:05:22,301 Good. Mrs Mills, do you want to now turn to your opening address? 75 00:05:22,375 --> 00:05:26,538 My Lord, with the utmost respect, this application is about bias. 76 00:05:27,012 --> 00:05:29,673 The court cannot be concerned with the substantive issues 77 00:05:29,747 --> 00:05:31,341 in the case judged by Mr Justice Niven. 78 00:05:31,415 --> 00:05:34,146 Without proper understanding of the issues in the original case, 79 00:05:34,218 --> 00:05:37,779 we can't assess the impact of the bias alleged in the review. 80 00:05:37,854 --> 00:05:40,948 No, My Lord, that's exactly what you cannot do. 81 00:05:42,156 --> 00:05:44,751 I certainly can, Sir Peter. 82 00:05:48,394 --> 00:05:49,554 Mrs Mills. 83 00:05:58,502 --> 00:06:01,197 The Army has gone to great lengths to reassure soldiers 84 00:06:01,269 --> 00:06:05,035 that no possible harm can come to them by taking the drugs given to them 85 00:06:05,105 --> 00:06:08,199 to protect them from attacks by bio-terrorists. 86 00:06:09,376 --> 00:06:12,812 Despite an increasing number becoming sick, 87 00:06:13,111 --> 00:06:15,706 they are given no choice in the matter. 88 00:06:15,781 --> 00:06:18,840 And those falling ill are not small in number. 89 00:06:18,915 --> 00:06:21,510 A small number relative to those receiving the drugs, perhaps, 90 00:06:21,584 --> 00:06:24,553 but when a hitherto fit and healthy soldier 91 00:06:24,620 --> 00:06:27,646 becomes a screaming, head-banging depressive 92 00:06:27,722 --> 00:06:30,987 after receiving them, questions need to be asked. 93 00:06:31,057 --> 00:06:32,615 It is our contention 94 00:06:32,691 --> 00:06:35,525 that neither the Government, the Army nor the pharmaceutical companies 95 00:06:35,594 --> 00:06:36,789 want those questions asked 96 00:06:36,862 --> 00:06:41,355 in case the answer is yes, those drugs do damage some soldiers. 97 00:06:42,665 --> 00:06:44,930 This entire avoidance of debate 98 00:06:45,001 --> 00:06:48,596 seems to hide the decision by the Army, Government and drug companies 99 00:06:48,670 --> 00:06:52,231 to allow some soldiers to be catastrophically damaged 100 00:06:52,306 --> 00:06:54,070 in favour of the common good. 101 00:06:54,141 --> 00:06:56,541 A recurring dilemma for all governments. 102 00:06:56,608 --> 00:06:59,874 Brought sharply into focus by the some becoming many. 103 00:06:59,945 --> 00:07:04,746 The incidence of neural deficit in the armed forces is now at an all-time high. 104 00:07:05,348 --> 00:07:06,714 And for the likes of Mrs Meam, 105 00:07:06,783 --> 00:07:09,445 whose husband may have been fatally damaged by those drugs, 106 00:07:09,518 --> 00:07:11,510 there is no common good. 107 00:07:16,089 --> 00:07:19,116 It's late, Mrs Mills, but your client's come a long way. 108 00:07:19,192 --> 00:07:22,060 Would you like to get started with her now? 109 00:07:23,695 --> 00:07:27,654 Mrs Meam, can you tell the court what happened to your husband? 110 00:07:34,269 --> 00:07:36,363 It's like I died that day. 111 00:07:46,545 --> 00:07:48,206 He drove them... 112 00:07:54,517 --> 00:07:55,882 He drove... 113 00:08:02,122 --> 00:08:04,488 He couldn't take it any more. 114 00:08:05,325 --> 00:08:07,658 Can you tell us what led to this? 115 00:08:07,727 --> 00:08:10,285 At first, he was... 116 00:08:11,395 --> 00:08:14,126 At first, after the drugs, 117 00:08:14,198 --> 00:08:16,393 when he came home on leave... 118 00:08:17,667 --> 00:08:20,191 he had sort of flu symptoms. 119 00:08:21,804 --> 00:08:24,397 He complained that he ached all over. 120 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,934 He got a fever and quickly went downhill. 121 00:08:31,009 --> 00:08:33,638 So fast I thought he was going to die. 122 00:08:37,580 --> 00:08:41,016 He started banging his head on the wall with the pain. 123 00:08:41,951 --> 00:08:44,544 All the while going down and down... 124 00:08:47,655 --> 00:08:49,680 He didn't ever come back up. 125 00:08:49,756 --> 00:08:51,349 Do you know what drugs he had? 126 00:08:51,423 --> 00:08:53,255 No. Well, not really. 127 00:08:54,793 --> 00:08:59,230 Brian had said how they were all lined up in his regiment and given them. 128 00:08:59,764 --> 00:09:02,231 Five or six vaccinations together. 129 00:09:03,566 --> 00:09:05,363 It was all hush-hush. 130 00:09:05,433 --> 00:09:09,096 - What happened afterwards? - After the flu-like symptoms, 131 00:09:10,738 --> 00:09:13,104 he came up in purple blotches 132 00:09:15,508 --> 00:09:19,409 then began to vomit. He couldn't seem to keep anything down. 133 00:09:23,146 --> 00:09:24,512 He started screaming, 134 00:09:24,581 --> 00:09:28,278 a really high-pitched scream, like he was in intense pain. 135 00:09:32,587 --> 00:09:36,750 Finally, when he lost consciousness, he had to go into hospital. 136 00:09:41,327 --> 00:09:43,726 He was just different after that. 137 00:09:44,529 --> 00:09:46,554 He began to lose language. 138 00:09:48,965 --> 00:09:51,092 He never made eye contact. 139 00:09:52,501 --> 00:09:55,130 Sometimes he didn't even recognise us. 140 00:09:58,940 --> 00:10:02,239 Did anyone say it might be as a result of the drugs? 141 00:10:02,775 --> 00:10:05,540 No, they... They kept saying it wasn't the drugs. 142 00:10:06,678 --> 00:10:08,612 But when we asked more questions, 143 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:13,207 they couldn't seem to prove it wasn't any more than we could prove it was. 144 00:10:18,585 --> 00:10:19,849 Dr Moon. 145 00:10:21,288 --> 00:10:23,052 Excuse me, Dr Moon. 146 00:10:23,157 --> 00:10:27,092 - I'm Mr Justice Deed's clerk. - Yes, I saw you on the bench. 147 00:10:27,159 --> 00:10:29,559 Well, the judge would like a word. 148 00:10:29,627 --> 00:10:32,926 I can't see how that would benefit either one of us. 149 00:10:44,604 --> 00:10:45,833 Judge. 150 00:10:47,641 --> 00:10:50,199 There are no prints on the cigarette packet. 151 00:10:50,275 --> 00:10:53,438 - Not according to my friend in CID. - How is that possible? 152 00:10:53,510 --> 00:10:56,673 He thinks it's been wiped. It's the only way it could be so clean. 153 00:10:56,746 --> 00:10:59,841 Well, there were prints on it when Superintendent Gaghan checked it. 154 00:10:59,916 --> 00:11:01,612 She said they were smudged. 155 00:11:01,684 --> 00:11:05,585 Inside the packet, on the foil, he did find a partial print. 156 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:07,319 Good enough for identification? 157 00:11:07,387 --> 00:11:10,914 They managed to get a lift off three ridges of the right thumb. 158 00:11:10,990 --> 00:11:13,425 They matched a Major Richard Colby. 159 00:11:13,492 --> 00:11:15,427 Oh, well done, Stephen. 160 00:11:15,494 --> 00:11:21,328 He's ex-SAS. Works for a security outfit called Commercial Index. 161 00:11:21,898 --> 00:11:24,230 What sort of work that I couldn't get his file? 162 00:11:24,300 --> 00:11:25,893 They're an investigative outfit. 163 00:11:25,968 --> 00:11:29,529 They work mostly for the Association of British Pharmaceuticals, 164 00:11:29,604 --> 00:11:31,628 chasing down false claims. 165 00:11:33,239 --> 00:11:36,209 We'd better ask some more questions, Stephen. 166 00:11:38,442 --> 00:11:39,741 Joe! 167 00:11:42,612 --> 00:11:47,549 I urge you, no, I beg you to withdraw from this case. 168 00:11:48,183 --> 00:11:52,119 It would save the Government a lot of embarrassment. Deed as well. 169 00:11:52,186 --> 00:11:56,280 Justitia is traditionally portrayed as blindfolded. 170 00:11:56,857 --> 00:12:01,190 The idea is that judges must not be influenced by any irrelevancy, 171 00:12:01,826 --> 00:12:07,093 such as the personal embarrassment of anybody, least of all the Government. 172 00:12:07,698 --> 00:12:11,997 We have put up with the eccentric behaviour of your ex-son-in-law 173 00:12:12,067 --> 00:12:13,591 for too long. 174 00:12:13,834 --> 00:12:17,133 This is something the Government will not tolerate, Joe. 175 00:12:17,203 --> 00:12:19,138 Too much is at stake. 176 00:12:19,739 --> 00:12:21,571 Meaning? 177 00:12:21,775 --> 00:12:23,470 I can say no more. 178 00:12:26,244 --> 00:12:29,179 - I'll have a word with him. - Thank you, Joe. 179 00:12:29,613 --> 00:12:31,673 Thank you for your support, Joe. 180 00:12:31,748 --> 00:12:36,514 - It's still not a meeting of minds. - Well, hopefully you'll change. 181 00:12:37,785 --> 00:12:41,312 I don't like to be bounced, either by you or Rochester. 182 00:12:42,156 --> 00:12:46,319 He gave some pretty cryptic warnings about this case. 183 00:12:46,391 --> 00:12:48,951 The stakes are too high for the Government to let it go. 184 00:12:49,027 --> 00:12:52,120 - Does he have a plan to stop it? - I don't know. 185 00:12:52,195 --> 00:12:55,096 Constitutionally, you're on thin ice. 186 00:12:56,332 --> 00:12:58,561 Be very, very careful. 187 00:13:03,071 --> 00:13:05,561 - Jo, he's gone. - Who? 188 00:13:05,638 --> 00:13:07,039 Dr Hiaasen. 189 00:13:07,506 --> 00:13:08,735 What do you mean, gone? Where? 190 00:13:08,807 --> 00:13:12,902 Well, I... I went to the hospital to check his statement, and no doctor. 191 00:13:13,244 --> 00:13:15,542 Did they say when he'll be back, where he's gone? 192 00:13:15,612 --> 00:13:16,944 No one seemed to know. 193 00:13:17,014 --> 00:13:19,641 He's our one solid witness. Did you try his home? 194 00:13:19,714 --> 00:13:21,492 I've tried all his numbers, they go to message. 195 00:13:21,516 --> 00:13:25,543 No, no, no, Peter! You have to go to his home. 196 00:13:25,619 --> 00:13:29,180 Without him, we're lost before we've even started. I'll try Liffe. 197 00:13:29,255 --> 00:13:32,554 He might just know. He put us onto him. Peter, go! 198 00:13:43,299 --> 00:13:44,699 Dr Liffe? It's Jo Mills. 199 00:13:44,767 --> 00:13:46,462 Oh, Mrs Mills. I can't talk. 200 00:13:46,534 --> 00:13:50,095 - We can't seem to contact Dr Hiaasen. - Sorry. I'm busy. 201 00:14:02,846 --> 00:14:05,165 - Dr Liffe, we have to talk. - Get away from me, Mrs Mills. 202 00:14:05,214 --> 00:14:06,791 - Just get away. - Why? What has happened? 203 00:14:06,815 --> 00:14:08,927 Don't you live in the real world? It's all over the news. 204 00:14:08,951 --> 00:14:11,612 - Dr Hiaasen has killed himself. - What? 205 00:14:12,252 --> 00:14:13,686 I only talked with him yesterday. 206 00:14:13,753 --> 00:14:15,197 He was furious that people who matter 207 00:14:15,221 --> 00:14:16,998 knew he was going to give evidence in your case. 208 00:14:17,022 --> 00:14:18,922 How? What people? 209 00:14:19,792 --> 00:14:23,659 He tied a cord around a tree and around his neck and then drove away. 210 00:14:23,727 --> 00:14:26,253 I can't help you any more. Go away. 211 00:14:27,830 --> 00:14:29,320 That's the same as Dr Dayvis. 212 00:14:29,397 --> 00:14:32,855 You should watch what you say on the phone, Mrs Mills. 213 00:14:40,740 --> 00:14:42,367 - Hey. - Hey. 214 00:14:44,376 --> 00:14:45,866 Oh, thank you. 215 00:14:47,145 --> 00:14:48,635 Are you taking your work home? 216 00:14:48,712 --> 00:14:51,238 Taking it to my dad to ask him for some help! 217 00:14:51,314 --> 00:14:53,372 - Have you got something? - Mmm, a job. 218 00:14:53,448 --> 00:14:56,475 - Prosecuting a big DWP fraud in Bristol. - Wow. 219 00:14:57,484 --> 00:15:00,476 - Who's your leader? - No one. It's my own case. 220 00:15:01,221 --> 00:15:03,018 The CPS approached you? 221 00:15:03,089 --> 00:15:04,717 It can happen, Dad. 222 00:15:05,091 --> 00:15:07,490 Yes. Yeah, yeah, sure. 223 00:15:09,627 --> 00:15:10,650 Hi. 224 00:15:10,727 --> 00:15:13,663 - Do you know who this is? - Has my luck changed? 225 00:15:13,963 --> 00:15:15,431 Can we meet? 226 00:15:15,765 --> 00:15:17,629 I thought you said that was too risky. 227 00:15:17,698 --> 00:15:21,691 More so now. This is urgent. Meet you in the usual place. 228 00:15:24,271 --> 00:15:25,830 Is something wrong, Dad? 229 00:15:26,639 --> 00:15:27,698 No. 230 00:15:28,540 --> 00:15:30,099 - Proof? - Come on, John! 231 00:15:30,175 --> 00:15:32,371 He was about to give evidence. 232 00:15:32,443 --> 00:15:35,879 Without him, you haven't got much of a case, have you? 233 00:15:36,513 --> 00:15:39,539 Summons Dr Liffe. Question him on Hiaasen's statement. 234 00:15:39,615 --> 00:15:41,276 You've got to get somebody to testify 235 00:15:41,349 --> 00:15:43,494 that the drugs given to Brian Meam could have harmed him. 236 00:15:43,518 --> 00:15:46,111 Otherwise the decision to withdraw funding looks reasonable. 237 00:15:46,186 --> 00:15:48,621 Liffe won't talk. He's too spooked. 238 00:15:48,688 --> 00:15:52,350 Jo, you know that those two scientists didn't commit suicide and so do I. 239 00:15:52,423 --> 00:15:53,858 - Yes. - Yes. 240 00:15:55,126 --> 00:15:58,118 I'll get the police report on Hiaasen's death. 241 00:16:03,732 --> 00:16:06,666 - Sir Ian Rochester, Judge. - Thanks, Coop. 242 00:16:12,772 --> 00:16:16,469 We understand Mrs Mills's principal witness has killed himself 243 00:16:16,541 --> 00:16:19,476 and that you've asked for the police report. 244 00:16:19,777 --> 00:16:23,508 Don't you find Dr Hiaasen's death just a little bit odd? 245 00:16:23,580 --> 00:16:25,878 He was under enormous stress. 246 00:16:26,582 --> 00:16:28,175 - Sorry. - No, no, no. 247 00:16:29,750 --> 00:16:33,208 Oh, no doubt the lunatic fringe, led by Mrs Mills and her cohorts, 248 00:16:33,286 --> 00:16:35,050 will see a conspiracy. 249 00:16:35,121 --> 00:16:37,611 It was exactly the same method as Dr Dayvis's death. 250 00:16:37,689 --> 00:16:39,249 Doesn't that bear investigation? 251 00:16:39,324 --> 00:16:41,884 You can't believe the Government or the pharmaceutical industry 252 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,053 had anything to do with Dr Hiaasen's death? 253 00:16:44,127 --> 00:16:47,756 I can believe the Government has done a secret deal to relax regulations 254 00:16:47,830 --> 00:16:50,822 in exchange for cooperative work on bio-terrorism vaccines. 255 00:16:50,899 --> 00:16:52,834 I can believe that they would go 256 00:16:52,901 --> 00:16:55,334 to extraordinary lengths to keep that secret. 257 00:16:55,401 --> 00:16:58,303 - That sounds rather far-fetched. - Does it? 258 00:16:59,505 --> 00:17:01,769 Be that as it may, there is no question 259 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:03,138 that Michael Niven's decision 260 00:17:03,208 --> 00:17:06,473 can be invalidated for reasons of apparent bias. 261 00:17:06,544 --> 00:17:08,841 Oh, I thought I was the judge. 262 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:11,577 My Lord. 263 00:17:12,647 --> 00:17:15,139 As you're so well informed, Ian, you must know 264 00:17:15,216 --> 00:17:18,151 that I've summoned the head of the Legal Services Commission in Bristol 265 00:17:18,218 --> 00:17:20,915 to inquire on what basis he withdrew funding. 266 00:17:20,988 --> 00:17:23,046 If I don't get a satisfactory answer, 267 00:17:23,121 --> 00:17:25,818 I will summon the head of the Department of Health, 268 00:17:25,890 --> 00:17:28,324 of Defence, of the Home Office and all their ministers, 269 00:17:28,392 --> 00:17:32,829 right up to the Prime Minister himself, but I will get the truth. 270 00:17:33,029 --> 00:17:36,192 You could create such a crisis 271 00:17:36,265 --> 00:17:39,234 that credibility in the courts could become precarious. 272 00:17:39,300 --> 00:17:41,428 Your motives will simply not be understood. 273 00:17:41,502 --> 00:17:44,801 Yes, in the meanwhile, I will have the police and medical reports 274 00:17:44,871 --> 00:17:46,463 on Dr Hiaasen's death. 275 00:17:48,940 --> 00:17:53,468 I ask you again, on what basis did you withdraw funding? 276 00:17:53,543 --> 00:17:56,444 Insufficient evidence that the case was winnable. 277 00:17:56,512 --> 00:17:59,345 Prior to that decision, you had been funding the action? 278 00:17:59,414 --> 00:18:03,612 - Yes, sir. Since the late '90s. - Believing the case to be winnable? 279 00:18:03,684 --> 00:18:06,812 Well, not after the death of Dr Rupert Dayvis. 280 00:18:06,886 --> 00:18:09,151 He was the leading researcher. 281 00:18:09,322 --> 00:18:11,415 In the absence of anyone of his calibre, 282 00:18:11,489 --> 00:18:14,981 well, all we had to rely on was the opinion of the independent bar. 283 00:18:15,058 --> 00:18:18,858 As you know, sir, barristers often get the job once they've advised us. 284 00:18:18,927 --> 00:18:22,624 Was Mrs Mills less than honest in her assessment? 285 00:18:22,697 --> 00:18:24,825 No, sir. She was very frank. 286 00:18:25,066 --> 00:18:28,502 Then what led you to reassess the case, Mr Cherry? 287 00:18:28,568 --> 00:18:30,832 We do from time to time, sir. 288 00:18:31,904 --> 00:18:34,668 Something specifically prompted this. 289 00:18:38,409 --> 00:18:41,242 Mr Door, are you instructing this witness? 290 00:18:42,612 --> 00:18:44,773 My Lord, this is most irregular. 291 00:18:44,846 --> 00:18:48,179 Yes, please forgive me, Sir Peter. It's the influence of The Hague. 292 00:18:48,249 --> 00:18:51,810 I'm allowed to conduct things differently there. Mr Door? 293 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,280 No, I'm not instructing the witness. 294 00:18:55,354 --> 00:18:56,981 Good. Mr Cherry? 295 00:18:58,923 --> 00:19:01,051 The answer's not over there. 296 00:19:04,327 --> 00:19:06,990 Well, sir, there was a request. 297 00:19:07,063 --> 00:19:08,122 Ah. 298 00:19:09,230 --> 00:19:10,595 From whom? 299 00:19:11,900 --> 00:19:15,063 - A Government department. - Well, don't tell me, 300 00:19:15,135 --> 00:19:17,126 let me guess. The Home Office? 301 00:19:19,205 --> 00:19:22,606 You don't have to answer this witness summons, Percy. 302 00:19:23,207 --> 00:19:26,973 If I don't, Rochester thinks Deed will put me in jail for contempt. 303 00:19:27,043 --> 00:19:28,408 Now, there's a wonderful irony. 304 00:19:28,477 --> 00:19:31,447 The head of the Home Office Civil Service in one of our own jails! 305 00:19:31,512 --> 00:19:33,413 Not an edifying prospect. 306 00:19:33,481 --> 00:19:36,081 Pity our Civil Contingencies amendment bill isn't done and dusted. 307 00:19:36,150 --> 00:19:38,617 It wouldn't matter then what Deed learns. 308 00:19:38,684 --> 00:19:40,676 Should I go, Home Secretary? 309 00:19:40,753 --> 00:19:43,688 Ah, it's either that or Australia, Percy. 310 00:19:47,725 --> 00:19:49,751 Not transportation. 311 00:19:50,294 --> 00:19:53,286 A fact-finding trip to... Tasmania, perhaps? 312 00:19:53,663 --> 00:19:56,187 I think I'd rather take my chances with Deed. 313 00:19:57,065 --> 00:19:58,862 Stall him, Percy. 314 00:19:58,933 --> 00:20:03,528 I'll speak to the Leader of the House, see if we can get a rush on our bill. 315 00:20:17,245 --> 00:20:20,237 - You. - Dr Moon, I really need to talk to you. 316 00:20:21,649 --> 00:20:25,085 I don't have to. Don't you know what's happened again? 317 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:28,985 Can I come in, please? 318 00:20:31,990 --> 00:20:34,015 I don't want to talk inside. 319 00:20:42,030 --> 00:20:44,362 Has anyone threatened you? 320 00:20:44,432 --> 00:20:46,798 No one needs to threaten me. 321 00:20:46,867 --> 00:20:49,393 I'm forever looking over my shoulder, 322 00:20:49,769 --> 00:20:53,035 wondering about the woman buying a newspaper, the man sitting in the car. 323 00:20:53,105 --> 00:20:56,835 I guard my phone conversations in case anyone is listening. 324 00:20:57,274 --> 00:20:59,368 Is that why you wanted to walk? 325 00:21:01,277 --> 00:21:04,110 Sometimes I just can't bear being enclosed. 326 00:21:04,646 --> 00:21:07,308 Whatever it is you want, I can't help you! 327 00:21:07,381 --> 00:21:08,973 I think you can. 328 00:21:09,616 --> 00:21:12,142 I think that's why you came to my court. 329 00:21:12,218 --> 00:21:14,948 How many deaths will it take to stop you? 330 00:21:17,955 --> 00:21:22,153 I've seen the police report to the coroner on Dr Hiaasen's death. 331 00:21:22,792 --> 00:21:25,023 It clearly suggests suicide. 332 00:21:26,327 --> 00:21:28,956 He was heavily in debt from gambling. 333 00:21:29,731 --> 00:21:31,722 Well, I won't believe that. 334 00:21:31,865 --> 00:21:34,596 Peter Hiaasen was too careful ever to gamble. 335 00:21:34,668 --> 00:21:36,192 And Dr Dayvis? 336 00:21:37,335 --> 00:21:39,361 How well did you know him? 337 00:21:40,404 --> 00:21:42,498 We saw each other every day. 338 00:21:44,474 --> 00:21:48,411 - Do you have access to his information? - No, I can't help you. I can't! 339 00:21:49,111 --> 00:21:51,671 You have the information. 340 00:21:51,747 --> 00:21:54,305 - That's why you came to court. - No, you... 341 00:21:54,848 --> 00:21:57,010 You people, you don't care. 342 00:21:57,883 --> 00:22:00,011 Look, I can't help you. 343 00:22:01,987 --> 00:22:04,784 All right. I'll find another way. 344 00:22:05,757 --> 00:22:08,850 Sir Percy, do you know why you were summoned? 345 00:22:09,792 --> 00:22:11,919 I understand to answer questions 346 00:22:11,993 --> 00:22:14,962 about the Home Office's planned response to bio-terrorism. 347 00:22:15,029 --> 00:22:18,261 Have you been intimately involved in planning that? 348 00:22:18,332 --> 00:22:20,232 As head of the Home Office Civil Service, 349 00:22:20,300 --> 00:22:22,427 it's part of my overall responsibility, yes. 350 00:22:22,501 --> 00:22:25,595 It's a bit more than that, Sir Percy. You were instrumental 351 00:22:25,670 --> 00:22:29,003 in drafting the Home Office's Civil Contingencies Act. 352 00:22:29,072 --> 00:22:30,097 I had a hand in it. 353 00:22:30,174 --> 00:22:32,013 Dealing directly with pharmaceutical companies. 354 00:22:32,075 --> 00:22:33,634 I didn't write the amendment bill. 355 00:22:33,710 --> 00:22:36,234 But you did call Bristol Legal Services Commission, 356 00:22:36,311 --> 00:22:38,109 suggesting that they withdraw the funding 357 00:22:38,179 --> 00:22:40,444 for Brian Meam to sue the drugs company? 358 00:22:40,515 --> 00:22:42,676 No, I do not believe I did. 359 00:22:43,784 --> 00:22:47,777 Well, according to the manager there, someone in the Home Office did. 360 00:22:47,854 --> 00:22:49,151 It's a large department. 361 00:22:49,221 --> 00:22:51,087 Yes, for which you have overall responsibility. 362 00:22:51,156 --> 00:22:53,147 But I don't task every action. 363 00:22:53,223 --> 00:22:56,022 Then who did and on whose authority? 364 00:23:00,595 --> 00:23:03,224 - Well, Sir Percy? - I don't recall that detail. 365 00:23:03,297 --> 00:23:07,097 Fine. Then I'll give you time to think about it. 366 00:23:07,166 --> 00:23:11,227 Meanwhile, Mrs Mills and Sir Peter will examine you. Mrs Mills? 367 00:23:13,671 --> 00:23:18,039 What is the Home Office's provisional budget to counter bio-terrorism? 368 00:23:18,441 --> 00:23:20,376 I don't have the figures to hand. 369 00:23:20,576 --> 00:23:21,804 Roughly? 370 00:23:22,944 --> 00:23:26,073 In the region of £4 billion. 371 00:23:26,147 --> 00:23:29,014 - To vaccinate everyone in the country? - No. 372 00:23:29,083 --> 00:23:31,915 The money is given to the Health Protection Agency 373 00:23:31,984 --> 00:23:34,613 to work with pharmaceutical companies. 374 00:23:34,753 --> 00:23:38,552 Bio-warfare vaccines are part of our overall policy plan. 375 00:23:38,622 --> 00:23:41,456 That must make you an awfully good friend 376 00:23:41,525 --> 00:23:43,426 to the big pharmaceutical companies. 377 00:23:43,493 --> 00:23:45,790 My Lord, although Sir Percy is not my witness, 378 00:23:45,860 --> 00:23:48,591 I do in fairness protest on his behalf. 379 00:23:48,863 --> 00:23:52,696 My learned friend is implying a venal relationship. I'm sure none exists. 380 00:23:52,765 --> 00:23:54,358 Mrs Mills, 381 00:23:54,433 --> 00:23:56,697 you are allowing your enthusiasm 382 00:23:56,769 --> 00:23:59,931 to carry you beyond the boundaries of this case. 383 00:24:02,039 --> 00:24:04,201 I have no further questions. 384 00:24:04,508 --> 00:24:05,873 Sir Peter. 385 00:24:07,644 --> 00:24:11,307 Sir Percy, what is the annual budget of the Home Office? 386 00:24:11,946 --> 00:24:15,279 - About £14 billion. - Which you spend personally? 387 00:24:18,617 --> 00:24:21,678 Let's get these astronomical sums in context. 388 00:24:21,754 --> 00:24:23,914 How much do you spend annually on prisons, 389 00:24:23,987 --> 00:24:25,478 to protect the public from offenders? 390 00:24:25,556 --> 00:24:26,649 £2.6 billion. 391 00:24:26,723 --> 00:24:29,157 So then £4 billion to be spent 392 00:24:29,225 --> 00:24:32,820 protecting the whole of the nation against bio-warfare 393 00:24:32,894 --> 00:24:33,918 doesn't seem so much. 394 00:24:33,995 --> 00:24:36,725 - No, that's jolly good value. - Thank you, Sir Percy. 395 00:24:41,433 --> 00:24:43,026 Memory improved? 396 00:24:44,269 --> 00:24:48,102 We have 15,000 employees at the Home Office. 397 00:24:48,906 --> 00:24:50,396 For whom you have responsibility. 398 00:24:50,473 --> 00:24:54,466 Including the cleaners. I don't remember all their names, either. 399 00:24:55,209 --> 00:24:59,304 Only a handful of people could have instructed Mr Cherry. 400 00:25:00,380 --> 00:25:02,906 Probably a member of your committee? 401 00:25:04,917 --> 00:25:07,283 No one candidate comes to mind? 402 00:25:07,352 --> 00:25:10,844 - I'm afraid not. - Then step down. We'll recall Mr Cherry. 403 00:25:11,522 --> 00:25:14,082 - Remain in court. - I do have a department to run. 404 00:25:14,157 --> 00:25:17,184 You'll leave when we get satisfactory answers. 405 00:25:20,027 --> 00:25:22,962 Mr Cherry, please return to the witness box. 406 00:25:31,036 --> 00:25:33,560 Remember, you are still under oath. 407 00:25:36,340 --> 00:25:38,831 Who at the Home Office called you 408 00:25:38,908 --> 00:25:42,571 to suggest you withdraw legal aid from Brian Meam? 409 00:25:44,211 --> 00:25:45,941 Well, I don't recall, sir. 410 00:25:47,380 --> 00:25:51,715 Mr Cherry, you are coming perilously close to prison. 411 00:25:54,752 --> 00:25:57,846 No, sir, I'm not sure he identified himself. 412 00:25:58,789 --> 00:26:01,848 What, you took instruction from an unidentified caller? 413 00:26:01,924 --> 00:26:04,257 Can you really be such a ninny? 414 00:26:16,102 --> 00:26:18,195 His name is Lex Wetcote. 415 00:26:18,502 --> 00:26:21,939 Ah. Not a name easily forgotten. 416 00:26:23,540 --> 00:26:26,509 Sir Percy, do you know this person? 417 00:26:26,576 --> 00:26:29,476 He's an undersecretary with the directorate. 418 00:26:29,744 --> 00:26:31,508 And what is that, in plain English? 419 00:26:31,579 --> 00:26:34,207 - He runs a few committees. - On what? 420 00:26:34,848 --> 00:26:37,044 Health policy, civil defence. 421 00:26:37,783 --> 00:26:40,183 Certain aspects of bio-terrorism. 422 00:26:42,053 --> 00:26:45,420 Then we'll get Mr Wetcote here, question him. 423 00:26:45,489 --> 00:26:49,220 And if I find he's been sent to New Zealand or some such place, 424 00:26:49,291 --> 00:26:50,884 there'll be trouble. 425 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,723 Might I be permitted to leave now? 426 00:26:52,794 --> 00:26:56,093 No. We will rise and await Mr Wetcote's arrival. 427 00:26:57,898 --> 00:26:59,229 All rise. 428 00:27:00,565 --> 00:27:03,160 Oh, Judge, I thought you were going to throw them in jail! 429 00:27:03,235 --> 00:27:04,999 I came close, Coop. 430 00:27:08,205 --> 00:27:09,695 Thank you. 431 00:27:11,541 --> 00:27:14,009 They do serve excellent tea here, Neil. 432 00:27:16,678 --> 00:27:18,840 You seem remarkably relaxed. 433 00:27:19,147 --> 00:27:21,774 I'm confident that you can deal with things, Neil. 434 00:27:21,847 --> 00:27:23,975 Deed is insisting on me. 435 00:27:24,050 --> 00:27:28,009 Maybe we should wait till he drags you off in irons. If he dares. 436 00:27:29,587 --> 00:27:33,386 Can you put your Civil Contingencies amendment bill to bed? 437 00:27:34,190 --> 00:27:36,056 It's back to the Commons on Thursday. 438 00:27:36,125 --> 00:27:39,424 - That's the earliest we could fit it in. - Will it go through unimpeded? 439 00:27:39,494 --> 00:27:42,485 No one's raised any objections to any of the sections. 440 00:27:42,562 --> 00:27:45,191 MPs are spooked by terrorist threats. 441 00:27:45,831 --> 00:27:47,823 It's a formality, Samuel. 442 00:27:47,900 --> 00:27:50,801 After that, Deed's efforts are meaningless. 443 00:27:50,868 --> 00:27:52,768 Ah, Deed, yes. 444 00:27:52,836 --> 00:27:57,001 Well, my researchers assure me that we have nothing to fear from Deed. 445 00:27:57,074 --> 00:27:59,667 He had sex with the claimant's barrister. 446 00:28:00,443 --> 00:28:02,673 That's happened many times. 447 00:28:02,744 --> 00:28:04,837 But it's not allowed, is it? 448 00:28:06,246 --> 00:28:08,305 We've been there before, Samuel. 449 00:28:08,381 --> 00:28:10,645 - It didn't dent him. - No. 450 00:28:10,717 --> 00:28:13,708 You've been there before without evidence. 451 00:28:15,586 --> 00:28:17,953 Ten days ago, in Mills's apartment. 452 00:28:18,022 --> 00:28:21,253 They talked about Justice Niven's handling of the case, 453 00:28:21,324 --> 00:28:24,121 how compelling her evidence had to be. 454 00:28:24,192 --> 00:28:27,320 And then the Beast of The Strand got his reward. 455 00:28:37,735 --> 00:28:42,400 Mr Wetcote, why is a Home Office undersecretary 456 00:28:42,473 --> 00:28:45,931 concerning himself with funding in a civil action? 457 00:28:46,341 --> 00:28:48,400 It's joined-up government, My Lord. 458 00:28:48,476 --> 00:28:52,538 Our experience in criminal justice makes us realise that courts of law 459 00:28:52,613 --> 00:28:57,049 are not good places to settle highly contentious, big-money cases. 460 00:28:58,583 --> 00:29:01,747 You felt it your duty to withdraw funding 461 00:29:01,819 --> 00:29:05,277 that had been running for years with the case almost to court? 462 00:29:05,355 --> 00:29:08,017 The withdrawal of funding wasn't my decision. 463 00:29:08,090 --> 00:29:12,423 I saw a potential saving and invited consideration of my suggestions. 464 00:29:12,493 --> 00:29:15,429 Without consulting anyone in your department? 465 00:29:15,496 --> 00:29:17,328 It was my initiative. 466 00:29:18,264 --> 00:29:21,631 Do you know, Mr Wetcote, I don't think I believe you. 467 00:29:22,601 --> 00:29:25,627 Mrs Mills, would you like to examine this witness? 468 00:29:25,736 --> 00:29:27,169 My Lord. 469 00:29:27,638 --> 00:29:29,969 The pharmaceutical companies that are developing 470 00:29:30,038 --> 00:29:33,565 the £4 billion bio-terrorist vaccines, 471 00:29:34,243 --> 00:29:38,179 are they also making the drugs that the Army is giving to its combat personnel? 472 00:29:38,246 --> 00:29:41,238 The Government has a well-developed policy for drug procurement. 473 00:29:41,314 --> 00:29:44,111 Inevitably, Caversham are involved in both elements. 474 00:29:44,182 --> 00:29:47,128 Did you have a conversation with someone about preventing Caversham being sued? 475 00:29:47,152 --> 00:29:49,950 I don't remember talking to anyone specifically about that. 476 00:29:50,020 --> 00:29:52,046 Unless I did it in my sleep. 477 00:29:52,122 --> 00:29:55,319 Are you in the habit of talking in your sleep, Mr Wetcote? 478 00:29:55,391 --> 00:30:00,020 No. Nor of sleeping with people I have an ethical duty not to sleep with. 479 00:30:10,401 --> 00:30:12,028 Mr Wetcote... 480 00:30:13,104 --> 00:30:16,834 I would like you to bring to court all the papers and e-mails 481 00:30:16,906 --> 00:30:20,740 that have passed between you and the pharmaceutical companies. 482 00:30:21,109 --> 00:30:23,771 And I mean all of them. 483 00:30:23,844 --> 00:30:26,176 - That's a mountain of paper. - Yes. 484 00:30:26,245 --> 00:30:30,273 Then let's hope the Home Office spends wisely on its haulage firm. 485 00:30:30,349 --> 00:30:32,987 My Lord, I know the hour is late, but might I examine this witness? 486 00:30:33,285 --> 00:30:34,594 - My Lord. - There will be ample time 487 00:30:34,618 --> 00:30:37,087 for all of us tomorrow. 488 00:30:37,154 --> 00:30:38,621 All rise. 489 00:30:41,924 --> 00:30:43,653 This is madness, Percy. 490 00:30:43,725 --> 00:30:46,193 We can't show some of those memos. 491 00:30:46,260 --> 00:30:47,728 Of course we can. 492 00:30:48,962 --> 00:30:51,954 Mrs Mills, Sir Peter, the judge wonders if you can join him. 493 00:30:52,031 --> 00:30:55,831 I certainly can't. Apologies. I'm frightfully late as it is. 494 00:31:00,137 --> 00:31:03,573 Sir Peter regrets, Judge. He's late for another meeting. 495 00:31:03,872 --> 00:31:05,000 Ah. 496 00:31:05,674 --> 00:31:08,269 In that case you'd best stay, Coop, have some tea. 497 00:31:08,343 --> 00:31:09,708 Thank you. 498 00:31:10,810 --> 00:31:14,144 I don't know how much longer we can let this continue, Jo. 499 00:31:14,213 --> 00:31:18,878 That was to have been the nature of my conversation with you and Peter Dulford. 500 00:31:18,951 --> 00:31:20,384 You can guess where he's gone. 501 00:31:20,451 --> 00:31:22,044 Yeah. To take instructions. 502 00:31:22,119 --> 00:31:24,985 To make sure the Home Office resists bringing any papers into the court, 503 00:31:25,054 --> 00:31:27,148 especially those suggesting complicity. 504 00:31:27,223 --> 00:31:28,520 You know there is. 505 00:31:28,590 --> 00:31:31,718 Just as you know that that man's death wasn't coincidental. 506 00:31:31,792 --> 00:31:33,556 Not unless you could show it. 507 00:31:33,627 --> 00:31:35,960 Peter Dulford will argue that first thing. 508 00:31:36,029 --> 00:31:38,395 I feel like I'm choking on the injustice of it. 509 00:31:38,464 --> 00:31:41,023 What about Liffe? Won't he help? We can offer him protection. 510 00:31:41,099 --> 00:31:42,828 I don't think that will convince him. 511 00:31:42,901 --> 00:31:45,199 What I need are Dr Dayvis's papers. 512 00:31:45,269 --> 00:31:47,828 I can only pray that they turn up with the Home Office papers. 513 00:31:47,904 --> 00:31:50,873 Well, unless I know they have a copy, I can't ask for them. 514 00:31:50,939 --> 00:31:54,397 Well, perhaps Sir Percy Thrower will let something slip. 515 00:31:54,475 --> 00:31:58,104 Like the Civil Contingencies amendment bill that he didn't write. 516 00:31:58,178 --> 00:32:00,409 - What amendment? - Don't ask me. 517 00:32:00,747 --> 00:32:03,237 I'm struggling to keep up with the criminal justice legislation 518 00:32:03,314 --> 00:32:04,907 spilling out of the Home Office. 519 00:32:04,983 --> 00:32:08,783 As I have to say are most barristers. 600 new crimes in ten years! 520 00:32:08,852 --> 00:32:11,219 Check the website, Coop, please. 521 00:32:11,288 --> 00:32:13,778 We were briefed on the original act. 522 00:32:13,855 --> 00:32:16,120 It imposes duties on local authorities 523 00:32:16,191 --> 00:32:18,785 in the event of a breakdown in public order 524 00:32:18,859 --> 00:32:21,658 following an event like bio-terrorism. 525 00:32:21,862 --> 00:32:25,059 What is the add-on plan? Put everybody in prison? 526 00:32:25,265 --> 00:32:27,130 It's 38 pages, Judge. 527 00:32:27,199 --> 00:32:28,929 - We just need the amendment. - Yeah. 528 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,766 - 54 sections and loads of schedules. - Oh, great. 529 00:32:35,505 --> 00:32:36,972 Thanks, Coop. 530 00:32:40,208 --> 00:32:44,906 Section 27, Schedule 3. Extension of Crown immunity. 531 00:32:44,977 --> 00:32:48,344 Any organisation, private or public, 532 00:32:48,413 --> 00:32:53,510 designated by the minister as within the terms of Section 42.1. 533 00:32:59,789 --> 00:33:03,747 Pharmaceutical production and development? Why are they protected? 534 00:33:03,824 --> 00:33:06,258 They make bio-terrorism vaccines. 535 00:33:06,661 --> 00:33:08,958 You know what this means, don't you? 536 00:33:09,028 --> 00:33:10,758 They can't be sued if the vaccines go wrong. 537 00:33:10,829 --> 00:33:11,922 No. More than that. 538 00:33:11,997 --> 00:33:15,660 If it goes through like this, it will have retrospective action. 539 00:33:15,733 --> 00:33:20,500 You won't ever be able to sue Caversham or any other pharmaceutical company. 540 00:33:20,570 --> 00:33:22,060 Then why has no one ever protested? 541 00:33:22,138 --> 00:33:26,074 Because it's hidden away, seemingly innocuous. This is momentous. 542 00:33:26,141 --> 00:33:29,201 If this bill goes through like this on Thursday, you're dead in the water. 543 00:33:29,276 --> 00:33:30,641 The Lords will hold it up. 544 00:33:30,711 --> 00:33:34,670 It's already been through its committee stages there, Mrs Mills, look. 545 00:33:35,547 --> 00:33:38,483 - John, they can't get away with this. - Well, they did in America. 546 00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:42,679 They slipped just such a clause into the Homeland Securities Bill. 547 00:33:44,955 --> 00:33:47,479 Find a witness, prove your case. 548 00:33:48,390 --> 00:33:52,121 I'll try to hold up the passage of the bill from the court. 549 00:33:52,492 --> 00:33:54,619 No, no. It can't be done. 550 00:33:55,128 --> 00:33:56,789 It's a step too far. 551 00:33:56,862 --> 00:33:59,592 It would be thwarting the will of Parliament. 552 00:34:00,298 --> 00:34:04,098 That would cause a constitutional crisis the like of which has not been seen 553 00:34:04,168 --> 00:34:07,228 since... since the Reformation! 554 00:34:07,303 --> 00:34:11,330 That's how important this is, Joe. The loss of the right of one individual 555 00:34:11,406 --> 00:34:12,806 to seek redress through the courts 556 00:34:12,874 --> 00:34:14,842 with thousands of possible cases pending? 557 00:34:14,909 --> 00:34:19,242 Protection against a corporately arrogant executive is that important. 558 00:34:19,779 --> 00:34:21,508 Yes, well... 559 00:34:21,947 --> 00:34:23,881 The case has to be solid. 560 00:34:23,948 --> 00:34:26,075 Help me with this one, Joe. 561 00:34:26,149 --> 00:34:30,109 There's still plenty of good law to stop a development like this. 562 00:34:30,720 --> 00:34:32,881 Well, we must check the evidence. 563 00:34:35,890 --> 00:34:37,381 I've got to go. 564 00:34:40,694 --> 00:34:44,186 Neil? What are you doing? I thought you were coming up. 565 00:34:45,197 --> 00:34:49,224 I'm listening to your ex dig his own grave, judicially speaking. 566 00:34:49,633 --> 00:34:50,794 What? 567 00:34:52,135 --> 00:34:53,625 Let me hear. 568 00:34:57,071 --> 00:34:59,734 Wait. There. 569 00:35:04,911 --> 00:35:07,640 Is it real? I don't believe it. 570 00:35:07,712 --> 00:35:10,772 Oh, George, it's real, as real and happening as can be! 571 00:35:10,848 --> 00:35:13,113 What are you going to do with it? 572 00:35:13,183 --> 00:35:15,152 The most harm possible. 573 00:35:23,724 --> 00:35:24,986 How's your case? 574 00:35:25,058 --> 00:35:26,526 Big and getting bigger. 575 00:35:26,593 --> 00:35:28,527 I got your message. Why so secret? 576 00:35:28,594 --> 00:35:31,359 - I don't want to risk the phone. - What, it's bugged? 577 00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:32,693 Paranoid! 578 00:35:33,165 --> 00:35:36,328 Talk to your granddad, Chas. I want you to give him some help on this case. 579 00:35:36,401 --> 00:35:39,028 - I'm up to my eyes, Dad. - If we don't stop what's happening... 580 00:35:39,101 --> 00:35:41,332 - Oh, but Dad! - Do it, Chas. 581 00:35:42,237 --> 00:35:43,796 I've got to go. 582 00:35:51,711 --> 00:35:52,973 Can I come in? 583 00:35:53,045 --> 00:35:56,105 Why did you come back? I have nothing to say. 584 00:35:56,180 --> 00:35:59,479 You may be the last chance these soldiers and their families have. 585 00:35:59,549 --> 00:36:01,347 I'm sorry, Mr Deed. 586 00:36:02,585 --> 00:36:05,019 I haven't got anywhere else to go. 587 00:36:10,892 --> 00:36:14,885 I'm scared of what will happen if I help you get Dr Dayvis's papers. 588 00:36:16,128 --> 00:36:18,120 The court can protect you. 589 00:36:18,197 --> 00:36:20,028 It's the only way. 590 00:36:20,564 --> 00:36:24,295 There's a bill about to complete its passage through Parliament. 591 00:36:24,367 --> 00:36:28,134 It will stop anyone ever suing the pharmaceutical companies. 592 00:36:28,204 --> 00:36:31,901 - You can't stop these people. - We might, if we expose this. 593 00:36:32,673 --> 00:36:34,005 They will kill me. 594 00:36:34,075 --> 00:36:35,873 Not once the information's out. 595 00:36:35,942 --> 00:36:39,242 - I don't have it! - Does it exist? 596 00:36:41,412 --> 00:36:43,643 Did Dr Dayvis have the facts? 597 00:36:44,048 --> 00:36:49,213 Security people from Caversham took all his papers and computer. 598 00:36:50,686 --> 00:36:52,587 There must have been a copy. 599 00:36:52,655 --> 00:36:54,885 He made copies of everything. 600 00:36:56,024 --> 00:36:58,617 Well, did Caversham take everything? 601 00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:07,498 He did have a back-up hard drive. 602 00:37:09,466 --> 00:37:10,991 Well, have you got it? 603 00:37:11,067 --> 00:37:12,466 Is it here? 604 00:37:18,172 --> 00:37:19,401 Well, that's the good news. 605 00:37:19,473 --> 00:37:21,442 He's getting the hard drive. 606 00:37:22,476 --> 00:37:23,953 We'd better give Mr Butler the bad news 607 00:37:23,977 --> 00:37:26,672 about Deed trying to stop the amendment bill. 608 00:37:52,264 --> 00:37:54,663 - Hello? - Charlie, it's me. 609 00:38:03,638 --> 00:38:05,435 I thought we might go for dinner. 610 00:38:05,506 --> 00:38:08,475 I have to finish this. Dad needs it urgently. 611 00:38:09,243 --> 00:38:10,938 Have you seen him lately? 612 00:38:11,010 --> 00:38:13,309 I'm flat out with this case in Bristol. 613 00:38:13,378 --> 00:38:15,505 Is he still seeing Jo Mills? 614 00:38:15,646 --> 00:38:16,740 I doubt it. 615 00:38:16,815 --> 00:38:19,180 She's before him in a case. He'd be in real trouble. 616 00:38:19,249 --> 00:38:22,446 I think he is in real trouble. 617 00:38:22,784 --> 00:38:24,912 Nothing unusual there, then. 618 00:38:26,822 --> 00:38:29,585 This time might be a little more serious. 619 00:38:31,992 --> 00:38:37,589 Neil has a recording of the Deed and Jo Mills having sex in her apartment. 620 00:38:37,996 --> 00:38:39,191 How? 621 00:38:39,696 --> 00:38:42,325 Normally, Charlie, he does it with a lot of charm. 622 00:38:42,399 --> 00:38:44,595 This time he was a little less charming. 623 00:38:44,667 --> 00:38:46,532 How did they get the recording? 624 00:38:46,601 --> 00:38:48,467 Neil wouldn't say. 625 00:38:48,537 --> 00:38:50,046 But they talk about the case starting. 626 00:38:50,070 --> 00:38:52,062 Is it real? This could ruin Dad. 627 00:38:52,139 --> 00:38:55,575 From the way Neil's feeling, I'd say it was real. 628 00:38:55,642 --> 00:38:57,303 He's so stupid! 629 00:38:58,511 --> 00:39:00,172 I have to go and warn him. 630 00:39:00,245 --> 00:39:02,076 I thought you might. 631 00:39:08,552 --> 00:39:10,917 Someone's bugged your apartment. 632 00:39:13,788 --> 00:39:15,518 Oh, I feel sick. 633 00:39:15,590 --> 00:39:18,923 Neil Haughton hates Dad. He's going to release that recording. 634 00:39:18,992 --> 00:39:20,584 Did you warn John? 635 00:39:20,660 --> 00:39:21,659 His phone's switched off. 636 00:39:21,726 --> 00:39:24,752 I didn't want to leave a message in case that was bugged, too. 637 00:39:28,765 --> 00:39:30,233 What a mess. 638 00:39:42,508 --> 00:39:45,137 Goodness, didn't you go to bed? 639 00:39:45,211 --> 00:39:46,269 No. 640 00:39:47,278 --> 00:39:49,941 Mrs Mills is trying to get hold of you. 641 00:39:50,014 --> 00:39:53,415 She didn't call. She thinks her phone's being bugged. 642 00:39:55,885 --> 00:39:57,819 Um... 643 00:39:57,986 --> 00:40:00,820 Right. Get her to meet me in the car park. 644 00:40:01,122 --> 00:40:03,453 They can't have bugged that yet! 645 00:40:06,425 --> 00:40:08,656 I'm sorry I got you into this. 646 00:40:15,765 --> 00:40:18,098 Are we any further with Dayvis? 647 00:40:19,401 --> 00:40:21,836 Yes. I got hold of his hard drive. 648 00:40:24,271 --> 00:40:26,831 I'm no scientist, Jo, but it looks like the drugs are safe. 649 00:40:26,907 --> 00:40:28,899 He couldn't repeat his earlier findings. 650 00:40:33,211 --> 00:40:35,042 Is this authentic? 651 00:40:35,113 --> 00:40:36,842 As a two-pound coin. 652 00:40:38,214 --> 00:40:39,944 You'll have to report it, Peter. 653 00:40:42,085 --> 00:40:45,987 Sir Peter Dulford would like to see you and Sir Joseph. Alone. 654 00:40:46,121 --> 00:40:47,179 Oh! 655 00:40:47,255 --> 00:40:48,950 Tell him to wait. 656 00:40:49,490 --> 00:40:51,390 I'll talk to you later. 657 00:40:55,326 --> 00:40:58,091 Are the parties in the internet case here? 658 00:40:58,162 --> 00:41:00,824 - Only Ian McCartney. - Oh. Oh, well. 659 00:41:01,198 --> 00:41:02,893 No, no! Um... 660 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,235 Ask Ian McCartney to come in here, would you? 661 00:41:12,872 --> 00:41:14,670 How did that happen? 662 00:41:15,475 --> 00:41:17,739 In a car crash when I was ten. 663 00:41:19,244 --> 00:41:21,235 My parents were killed. 664 00:41:22,146 --> 00:41:25,115 That's a lot for a ten-year-old to overcome. 665 00:41:25,915 --> 00:41:27,109 Yeah. 666 00:41:29,351 --> 00:41:32,650 There were times where I felt like giving up. 667 00:41:34,289 --> 00:41:36,484 You know, people think it's just 668 00:41:36,556 --> 00:41:39,582 losing your parents or not being able to walk but... 669 00:41:40,925 --> 00:41:43,554 but actually, you can overcome that. 670 00:41:44,228 --> 00:41:47,425 It's the loss of hope that really brings you down. 671 00:41:50,466 --> 00:41:53,196 Then I learned I was good with computers 672 00:41:53,468 --> 00:41:56,995 and the world opened up to me there. Changed everything. 673 00:42:00,573 --> 00:42:03,633 Internet Raiders have offered me £5 million. 674 00:42:04,610 --> 00:42:06,408 I'm not sure if that's enough. 675 00:42:06,477 --> 00:42:08,274 It's a lot of money. 676 00:42:08,345 --> 00:42:11,406 I have a good case and time. 677 00:42:12,649 --> 00:42:16,415 Did you ever dream of having £5 million? 678 00:42:16,885 --> 00:42:19,582 Off the record? No. 679 00:42:20,954 --> 00:42:23,321 Anything can happen in a two-year trial. 680 00:42:23,390 --> 00:42:25,119 Take the money. 681 00:42:32,229 --> 00:42:35,665 Is it possible to look at a computer hard disk 682 00:42:35,732 --> 00:42:39,293 and see if its contents are camouflaging something else? 683 00:42:39,368 --> 00:42:41,030 What do you mean? 684 00:42:44,172 --> 00:42:46,469 Two people may have died 685 00:42:47,273 --> 00:42:50,367 because of what was assumed to be on this disk. 686 00:42:50,876 --> 00:42:53,344 What's there now is insignificant. 687 00:42:54,679 --> 00:42:55,737 Were they bumped off? 688 00:42:55,813 --> 00:42:58,476 That's a possibility we're looking at. 689 00:43:01,317 --> 00:43:04,718 So you want to know if a file on this has been changed in some way? 690 00:43:04,786 --> 00:43:07,948 I want to know what's there that could have got two men killed. 691 00:43:08,021 --> 00:43:09,853 There's got to be something else. 692 00:43:09,923 --> 00:43:11,399 Have you searched the drive for hidden files? 693 00:43:11,423 --> 00:43:13,790 I wouldn't know how, Mr McCartney. 694 00:43:14,592 --> 00:43:16,288 Will you help us? 695 00:43:18,362 --> 00:43:19,489 Yes. 696 00:43:23,332 --> 00:43:25,425 Tell Coop if you find anything. 697 00:43:32,038 --> 00:43:33,371 All rise. 698 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,443 My Lord, I would rather this matter was raised in your chambers. 699 00:43:48,384 --> 00:43:50,546 We can sit here in chambers. 700 00:43:51,552 --> 00:43:53,953 Clear the public gallery, would you, please? 701 00:44:03,260 --> 00:44:04,627 Sir Peter? 702 00:44:11,167 --> 00:44:12,998 It'll keep, My Lord. 703 00:44:13,068 --> 00:44:15,502 Then I'll have the public back. 704 00:44:19,806 --> 00:44:22,400 However, there is a matter of law. 705 00:44:23,409 --> 00:44:26,970 We dispute the right of the trial judges to be partial 706 00:44:27,044 --> 00:44:29,842 in the choice of witnesses they call. 707 00:44:30,247 --> 00:44:33,944 The common law does not admit to this being done without the parties' consent. 708 00:44:34,016 --> 00:44:36,280 I refer Your Lordships to 709 00:44:36,351 --> 00:44:40,651 Re Enoch and Zaretsky, Bock and Company in a case from 1910, 710 00:44:40,721 --> 00:44:46,057 reported in the first volume of the King's Bench reports at page 327. 711 00:44:46,125 --> 00:44:47,786 Yes, Sir Peter, but providing we act 712 00:44:47,859 --> 00:44:50,760 within the overriding objective principle 713 00:44:50,828 --> 00:44:53,661 of dealing with the case justly, 714 00:44:53,730 --> 00:45:00,135 rule 32.1 means we can ask for any witness we deem relevant. 715 00:45:02,235 --> 00:45:05,069 "Joined-up justice", I believe it's called. 716 00:45:06,740 --> 00:45:08,207 My Lord. 717 00:45:13,110 --> 00:45:16,877 We would like Samuel Butler, the CEO of Caversham Pharmaceuticals, 718 00:45:16,947 --> 00:45:18,175 to answer questions. 719 00:45:18,247 --> 00:45:20,580 Is this witness even available? 720 00:45:21,483 --> 00:45:24,180 Well, we'll adjourn until he is. 721 00:45:24,252 --> 00:45:25,549 All rise. 722 00:45:27,988 --> 00:45:32,117 The longer Deed takes, the closer our amendments come to being law. 723 00:45:32,825 --> 00:45:34,817 It's a risky game, Percy. 724 00:45:41,163 --> 00:45:43,189 Did you find anything? 725 00:45:43,265 --> 00:45:44,357 There's a hidden file. 726 00:45:44,432 --> 00:45:46,298 Yes! Yes! Yes! 727 00:45:47,468 --> 00:45:48,869 But it's encrypted. 728 00:45:51,872 --> 00:45:56,740 Mr Butler, would you ever market drugs with adverse reactions? 729 00:45:56,808 --> 00:46:00,608 Of course. Most drugs cause some adverse reactions. 730 00:46:01,212 --> 00:46:04,272 This is the price we pay for the greater good. 731 00:46:04,913 --> 00:46:07,280 Caversham is an ethical company. 732 00:46:07,716 --> 00:46:10,184 We've never purposely obtained a licence for a drug 733 00:46:10,251 --> 00:46:13,482 which we knew to have severe adverse reactions. 734 00:46:13,553 --> 00:46:18,922 Yes, but isn't it a matter of record that your anti-arthritis drug 735 00:46:20,558 --> 00:46:25,654 Kalite was shown to damage the hearts of patients in certain trials? 736 00:46:25,728 --> 00:46:28,562 I wasn't with Caversham when that drug was launched. 737 00:46:28,631 --> 00:46:30,793 Oh. Well, then step down. 738 00:46:30,866 --> 00:46:34,597 We'll call someone with a comprehensive view of the company. 739 00:46:40,406 --> 00:46:43,431 It's a simple encryption. It's just time-consuming. 740 00:46:43,976 --> 00:46:47,138 - Well, how long will it take? - I'm going to break it. 741 00:46:47,210 --> 00:46:49,111 It may be too late. 742 00:46:49,179 --> 00:46:51,273 Whoever did this is quite smart, sir. 743 00:46:51,348 --> 00:46:52,815 Perhaps too smart. 744 00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:58,919 The Home Secretary, Judge. 745 00:47:03,889 --> 00:47:07,189 - Neil, I've been expecting you. - Oh, you have? 746 00:47:07,259 --> 00:47:10,160 Yes, you want your civil servants back. 747 00:47:10,294 --> 00:47:12,933 - Not until I get the truth. - This is not about my civil servants. 748 00:47:12,996 --> 00:47:14,827 Things have moved on. 749 00:47:15,231 --> 00:47:19,894 There's a tape of you conspiring with Mrs Mills, among other things, 750 00:47:20,301 --> 00:47:22,395 prior to the start of this. 751 00:47:23,436 --> 00:47:25,233 Obtained how? 752 00:47:25,304 --> 00:47:28,705 I imagine one of Mrs Mills's many enemies recorded you. 753 00:47:29,174 --> 00:47:31,540 A matter of national security? 754 00:47:32,442 --> 00:47:34,638 She certainly behaves like an enemy of the state. 755 00:47:34,711 --> 00:47:35,939 And me? 756 00:47:36,847 --> 00:47:40,441 Rather foolish, I think, is how the world will judge you. 757 00:47:41,049 --> 00:47:42,778 For George's sake, 758 00:47:43,351 --> 00:47:44,875 and Charlie's, 759 00:47:45,652 --> 00:47:47,780 I'd rather you stepped down. 760 00:47:48,354 --> 00:47:51,050 You could not release the tape. 761 00:47:52,457 --> 00:47:53,516 No. 762 00:47:54,725 --> 00:47:56,818 I've waited too long. 763 00:47:58,361 --> 00:48:01,262 Well, thank you for your consideration, Neil. 764 00:48:01,330 --> 00:48:03,264 He's done it, Judge. 765 00:48:04,633 --> 00:48:07,431 I'll certainly think about what you said. 766 00:48:13,471 --> 00:48:14,963 You got through the encryption? 767 00:48:15,041 --> 00:48:16,406 Of course. 768 00:48:18,009 --> 00:48:20,875 - Is this what you're looking for? - I certainly hope it is. 769 00:48:20,944 --> 00:48:22,855 McCARTNEY: Well, only the person who wrote it would know. 770 00:48:22,879 --> 00:48:24,745 Coop, run and catch Mrs Mills and Sir Peter, 771 00:48:24,814 --> 00:48:27,907 and I want Dr David Liffe brought here immediately. 772 00:48:28,115 --> 00:48:29,174 Yes! 773 00:48:37,089 --> 00:48:38,990 Can you come to any conclusion, Dr Liffe? 774 00:48:39,058 --> 00:48:41,252 What conclusion do you want? 775 00:48:41,325 --> 00:48:47,924 What are Dr Dayvis's conclusions about the drugs given to soldiers by the Army? 776 00:48:49,532 --> 00:48:51,523 Looking at the raw data... 777 00:48:51,633 --> 00:48:54,431 what he found was that he couldn't repeat his earlier findings 778 00:48:54,501 --> 00:48:56,197 produced by him and Dr Moon. 779 00:49:02,173 --> 00:49:04,802 Do you recognise these as Dr Dayvis's papers? 780 00:49:04,875 --> 00:49:06,707 Yes. I know his work. 781 00:49:08,578 --> 00:49:11,911 It often happens that the results of an exciting discovery can't be replicated. 782 00:49:11,981 --> 00:49:14,212 My Lord, in view of this incontrovertible evidence, 783 00:49:14,283 --> 00:49:17,650 I ask it be found that Mr Justice Niven's judgment now be upheld. 784 00:49:22,521 --> 00:49:25,012 No. We will rise for 30 minutes. 785 00:49:25,857 --> 00:49:28,088 All rise. 786 00:49:30,059 --> 00:49:32,494 John, this cannot continue! 787 00:49:32,562 --> 00:49:35,759 The longer it goes on, the more foolish we appear. 788 00:49:36,398 --> 00:49:37,923 I know, Joe. 789 00:49:38,066 --> 00:49:40,499 You did your best. You tried. 790 00:49:41,234 --> 00:49:42,497 End it! 791 00:49:52,110 --> 00:49:54,135 Are you all right, Judge? 792 00:49:54,977 --> 00:49:57,037 We ran headlong into that. 793 00:49:58,981 --> 00:50:00,676 Well, if you ask me, Judge, 794 00:50:00,749 --> 00:50:04,207 Dr Moon's working for Caversham and she put it there. 795 00:50:04,884 --> 00:50:06,944 It's too late to find out. 796 00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,312 Tomorrow the amendment bill 797 00:50:09,389 --> 00:50:12,688 will pass its last hurdle through Parliament and... 798 00:50:14,392 --> 00:50:17,850 I'd better have the parties in the internet case back. 799 00:50:18,061 --> 00:50:19,529 Yes, Judge. 800 00:50:31,904 --> 00:50:35,396 Could someone have planted that information on Dr Dayvis's computer 801 00:50:35,473 --> 00:50:37,567 about the drugs being harmless? 802 00:50:37,642 --> 00:50:42,010 Um, technically? Yeah, of course, but that doesn't help the Judge. 803 00:50:42,078 --> 00:50:45,514 - How could they do that? - Well, it's pretty simple, really. 804 00:50:45,580 --> 00:50:48,913 You just change the file, resave it and delete all the back-ups. 805 00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:51,843 Well, can't you get them back? 806 00:50:51,918 --> 00:50:54,444 That wasn't what I was trying to do. 807 00:50:57,990 --> 00:50:59,924 I'd need access to the hard drive again. 808 00:50:59,991 --> 00:51:02,186 You're wanted back in court. 809 00:51:03,660 --> 00:51:06,629 - Isn't this more important? - Okay. 810 00:51:07,796 --> 00:51:10,095 Are we back on, Mrs Cooper? 811 00:51:10,165 --> 00:51:12,259 Um, he needs the bathroom. 812 00:51:26,277 --> 00:51:28,403 Mr Justice Deed's chambers. 813 00:51:29,044 --> 00:51:30,404 I hate to press you, Mr McCartney, 814 00:51:30,446 --> 00:51:33,314 but I can't keep these barristers waiting much longer without an answer. 815 00:51:33,382 --> 00:51:35,508 Sir Joseph wants to know when we're going back in. 816 00:51:35,615 --> 00:51:37,208 Mr McCartney? 817 00:51:38,518 --> 00:51:40,384 Is that what you need? 818 00:51:40,553 --> 00:51:42,817 I retrieved it from the hard drive. 819 00:51:42,887 --> 00:51:46,050 It was Dr Dayvis's back-up. Someone had deleted it. 820 00:51:46,558 --> 00:51:47,889 Coop, get hold of Stephen. 821 00:51:47,958 --> 00:51:50,154 Tell him... No, I'll do it myself. 822 00:51:50,694 --> 00:51:54,493 Stephen! Go and get Dr Moon and bring her to court immediately. 823 00:51:54,563 --> 00:51:56,895 - What if she won't come, Judge? - Arrest her. 824 00:52:11,409 --> 00:52:14,469 Dr Moon, have you had time to examine the papers? 825 00:52:19,047 --> 00:52:21,812 I have nothing to say. I can't help you. 826 00:52:23,150 --> 00:52:27,586 Are these papers the findings you and Dr Dayvis made 827 00:52:28,053 --> 00:52:31,352 regarding the cocktail of drugs soldiers were given? 828 00:52:41,729 --> 00:52:44,494 - Dr Moon, has anyone threatened you? - My Lord... 829 00:52:48,868 --> 00:52:51,633 Dr Moon, I advise you to answer. 830 00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:54,934 No one's threatened me. 831 00:52:55,006 --> 00:52:57,804 - Are they the papers? - They appear to be. 832 00:52:58,008 --> 00:52:59,977 Did you not conclude 833 00:53:00,643 --> 00:53:05,478 that the drugs were causing neural deficit in some soldiers? 834 00:53:05,547 --> 00:53:10,644 And didn't you repeat those findings again and again and again? 835 00:53:11,184 --> 00:53:14,347 I told you, I have nothing to say. 836 00:53:17,022 --> 00:53:20,252 Then is this paper a fabrication? 837 00:53:21,491 --> 00:53:24,427 Hmm? Were you not able to replicate your findings? 838 00:53:32,866 --> 00:53:34,562 Dr Moon? 839 00:53:35,668 --> 00:53:36,999 Well, Dr Moon? 840 00:53:42,773 --> 00:53:44,001 Yes. 841 00:53:45,576 --> 00:53:47,009 Yes, we did. 842 00:53:47,910 --> 00:53:49,538 Again and again. 843 00:53:50,379 --> 00:53:55,248 Dr Dayvis wasn't satisfied with replicating it just once, he... 844 00:53:56,750 --> 00:53:58,810 did it again and again. 845 00:54:00,820 --> 00:54:06,190 The vaccination regime the Government and the pharmaceutical company 846 00:54:06,257 --> 00:54:10,852 are proposing to give the whole country in the event of a bio-terror attack 847 00:54:11,827 --> 00:54:15,786 would cause neural deficit in two to three persons per thousand. 848 00:54:16,865 --> 00:54:18,855 The damage to children would be much higher. 849 00:54:18,932 --> 00:54:21,527 Is this what happened to Brian Meam? 850 00:54:21,601 --> 00:54:23,967 I never examined Mr Meam but... 851 00:54:24,803 --> 00:54:26,704 we did see this in 852 00:54:27,405 --> 00:54:29,600 several dozen other soldiers. 853 00:54:30,541 --> 00:54:31,906 Thank you. 854 00:54:33,543 --> 00:54:38,070 They, um, they knew this would happen after the very first soldiers got ill. 855 00:54:39,347 --> 00:54:40,940 Caversham knew? 856 00:54:42,749 --> 00:54:44,513 And the Government. 857 00:54:45,151 --> 00:54:48,484 That was what Dr Dayvis's big fight with them was about. 858 00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:50,187 I believe 859 00:54:51,323 --> 00:54:53,154 that was why he died. 860 00:54:54,057 --> 00:54:56,117 We may have only won the battle. 861 00:54:56,192 --> 00:54:59,127 Well, if the MPs have got the information, they could stop the bill. 862 00:54:59,194 --> 00:55:00,627 I wonder. 863 00:55:01,330 --> 00:55:04,127 - What's happening? - He hasn't stopped all day. 864 00:55:04,197 --> 00:55:06,958 - Have you sent the e-mails? - You should rest, Ian. You're exhausted. 865 00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,434 They've gone, sir. 866 00:55:08,501 --> 00:55:09,991 I alerted all the MPs 867 00:55:10,069 --> 00:55:12,936 and every member of the House of Lords and all the news desks. 868 00:55:13,004 --> 00:55:16,031 The information was highlighted with your comments on the bill. 869 00:55:16,106 --> 00:55:18,871 - Let's hope they read them. - Please, God. 870 00:55:19,575 --> 00:55:20,575 McCARTNEY: Amen. 871 00:55:21,509 --> 00:55:25,674 You know, Neil will release the recording unless you resign. 872 00:55:25,747 --> 00:55:27,942 Obtaining it may have been an offence, George. 873 00:55:28,015 --> 00:55:30,279 You can't rely on the law to protect you, John. 874 00:55:30,350 --> 00:55:32,284 Yeah, I told him I'd think about it. 875 00:55:32,351 --> 00:55:34,786 - That's all you'll do. - Well, you know me, George. 876 00:55:34,853 --> 00:55:37,651 I always expect the best of everybody. Are you going my way? 877 00:55:37,722 --> 00:55:39,553 I don't think so. 878 00:55:39,891 --> 00:55:42,620 Might end up on someone's recording! 879 00:55:44,727 --> 00:55:47,628 Find out who put the bug in Jo Mills's flat. 880 00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:50,690 Well, I can try, Judge. 881 00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:55,995 That amendment bill should have been a formality. 882 00:55:56,068 --> 00:55:57,899 Not after Deed's e-mail. 883 00:55:57,969 --> 00:56:00,233 Isn't that beyond the bounds of his duty as a judge? 884 00:56:00,304 --> 00:56:01,670 Oh, it is. 885 00:56:02,373 --> 00:56:04,807 Then release the tape of him having sex with Mrs Mills. 886 00:56:04,874 --> 00:56:06,342 We'll put a stop to this case yet. 887 00:56:06,409 --> 00:56:09,936 If we do, Home Secretary, it could come back to bite us. 888 00:56:10,411 --> 00:56:13,404 You personally steered the Civil Contingencies amendment bill 889 00:56:13,481 --> 00:56:15,540 to the floor of the House. 890 00:56:20,785 --> 00:56:24,277 The Legal Services Commission is right in its approach 891 00:56:24,388 --> 00:56:26,550 not to fund every case, 892 00:56:27,124 --> 00:56:30,582 having a duty of prudence with the taxpayers' money. 893 00:56:31,660 --> 00:56:35,961 In the case of Brian Meam, its exercise of discretion was contestable. 894 00:56:36,997 --> 00:56:41,558 We've carefully examined the judicial review conducted by Mr Justice Niven 895 00:56:42,100 --> 00:56:45,092 and find it was open to legitimate objection. 896 00:56:46,405 --> 00:56:50,534 Not on the basis that there was any appearance of bias, 897 00:56:51,207 --> 00:56:53,573 rather because a keystone of his judgment had, 898 00:56:53,642 --> 00:56:56,635 unbeknown to him, been falsified. 899 00:56:57,845 --> 00:56:59,746 Our view, therefore, 900 00:57:00,148 --> 00:57:04,607 is that the Legal Services Commission should look again at this matter 901 00:57:05,084 --> 00:57:11,921 with a view to restoring the funding for this important case. 902 00:57:22,330 --> 00:57:24,094 That's Major Colby. 903 00:57:27,968 --> 00:57:30,094 With Superintendent Gaghan. 904 00:57:34,872 --> 00:57:38,467 Any luck with identifying his fingerprints yet, Superintendent? 905 00:57:39,208 --> 00:57:41,768 You might try asking these police officers. 906 00:57:42,877 --> 00:57:47,109 They're here to interview you both about the death of Dr Hiaasen. 907 00:57:47,613 --> 00:57:49,582 And get those bugs out of Jo Mills's flat 908 00:57:49,649 --> 00:57:52,016 or I promise you you will go to prison. 909 00:58:13,233 --> 00:58:15,894 You're taking a big risk coming here. 910 00:58:16,168 --> 00:58:19,102 Yes, the man in the gabardine suit really is a spy. 911 00:58:23,039 --> 00:58:24,974 Do you want to come up? 912 00:58:26,475 --> 00:58:29,638 Well, you never know who might be listening. We could go to a hotel. 913 00:58:29,710 --> 00:58:31,076 What, now? 914 00:58:31,746 --> 00:58:33,179 To have tea. 915 00:58:33,547 --> 00:58:36,015 It would have to be very good tea. 916 00:58:37,017 --> 00:58:38,075 Is your car bugged? 917 00:58:38,717 --> 00:58:41,152 Let's notget too paranoid. 74301

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