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All rise.
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All rise.
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In reviewing
whether the decision
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to withdraw legal aid funding from
Sergeant Brian Meam was reasonable,
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Mr Justice Niven
concluded that it was.
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Subsequently, the suitability for
Mr Justice Niven to sit in this case
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was called into question.
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So we are here now to examine
whether his ruling should be set aside
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for bias or apparent bias.
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Is the Legal Services Commission
not represented by counsel?
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Sir, Peter Dulford and his
junior have been delayed.
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Sir Peter knew that he was
required to stand by for this hearing.
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It was unavoidable, sir.
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Well, then, it looks like this review
will be heard without his contribution.
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My Lord, might I
request an adjournment?
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And you are?
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Henry Door, solicitor to the
Legal Services Commission.
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Do you have any right of
audience here, Mr Door?
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No, I don't, sir.
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Then please sit down. Mrs Mills?
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Five years ago, two years after he
was diagnosed with neural deficit,
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Sergeant and Mrs Meam were
awarded a funding certificate
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from the then Legal Aid Board.
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This money was for research
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into the nature of his persistent and
worsening illness and the likely cause.
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It was also unbearably
stressful for both of them
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and their son David, who
became severely depressed.
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Two weeks ago, Sergeant
Meam had become so desperate
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he took his own life
and that of his child
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by driving the family car into a river
whilst they were both strapped in.
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Mrs Mills, we cannot accept your
assertion of the cause of death.
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That must be left to
the coroner to determine.
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Yes, of course, My Lord.
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Over this period,
the Legal Aid Board,
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which became the Legal
Services Commission,
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wavered several
times in their support,
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demanding more and more
evidence, twice suspending funding.
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Then in August, they
withdrew funding completely
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as this test case was
about to go to the High Court.
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- Was a reason given for this?
- Lack of evidence.
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The claim, in their view, hadn't a
better than 50% chance of succeeding.
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But then we acquired evidence
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that the Association of British
Pharmaceutical Industries
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was putting pressure on the Government
to stop this trial from going forward.
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Was there a reason given?
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The basis was that the drugs involved
brought too much benefit as a whole.
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- And was this put to the LSC?
- They said it was inconclusive
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and referred us to the earlier
review by Mr Justice Niven.
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Was Mr Justice Niven
aware of the new evidence?
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We didn't have it at that time.
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We are here to
examine evidence of bias.
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And I'm going to do that
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in the context of the original
arguments of the merits of the case.
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My Lord, this is opening
the way to a full-scale review.
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Mr Door, you don't have
right of audience here.
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Any decision will be
overturned on appeal, Henry.
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Sir Michael Niven would
prefer not to risk it, Sir Peter.
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Hmm. Then we'd better
start running to put out the fire.
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A civil servant at the
Department of Health
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contacted the solicitors
acting for Mrs Meam
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following the death of
her husband and son.
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He said that a meeting was held
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between Sir Percy Thrower, the
Permanent Secretary at the Home Office,
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his opposite number at
the Department of Health
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and Samuel Butler,
the CEO of Caversham,
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the manufacturers of the
drugs given to soldiers.
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Are you calling
this whistleblower?
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To do so would cost him his job.
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Ah, Sir Peter.
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Our apologies, My Lord.
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The case we're in ran on and this
case was listed at such short notice.
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Do you have argument
for the court in this review?
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We do indeed, My Lord.
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Good. Mrs Mills, do you want to
now turn to your opening address?
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My Lord, with the utmost respect,
this application is about bias.
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The court cannot be concerned
with the substantive issues
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in the case judged
by Mr Justice Niven.
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Without proper understanding
of the issues in the original case,
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we can't assess the impact of
the bias alleged in the review.
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No, My Lord, that's
exactly what you cannot do.
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I certainly can, Sir Peter.
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Mrs Mills.
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The Army has gone to great
lengths to reassure soldiers
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that no possible harm can come to
them by taking the drugs given to them
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to protect them from
attacks by bio-terrorists.
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Despite an increasing
number becoming sick,
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they are given no
choice in the matter.
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And those falling ill
are not small in number.
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A small number relative to
those receiving the drugs, perhaps,
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but when a hitherto
fit and healthy soldier
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becomes a screaming,
head-banging depressive
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after receiving them,
questions need to be asked.
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It is our contention
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that neither the Government, the
Army nor the pharmaceutical companies
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want those questions asked
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in case the answer is yes, those
drugs do damage some soldiers.
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This entire avoidance of debate
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seems to hide the decision by the
Army, Government and drug companies
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to allow some soldiers to
be catastrophically damaged
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in favour of the common good.
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A recurring dilemma
for all governments.
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Brought sharply into focus
by the some becoming many.
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The incidence of neural deficit in the
armed forces is now at an all-time high.
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And for the likes of Mrs Meam,
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whose husband may have been
fatally damaged by those drugs,
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there is no common good.
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It's late, Mrs Mills, but your
client's come a long way.
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Would you like to get
started with her now?
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Mrs Meam, can you tell the court
what happened to your husband?
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It's like I died that day.
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He drove them...
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He drove...
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He couldn't take it any more.
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Can you tell us
what led to this?
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At first, he was...
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At first, after the drugs,
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when he came home on leave...
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he had sort of flu symptoms.
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He complained that
he ached all over.
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He got a fever and
quickly went downhill.
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So fast I thought
he was going to die.
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He started banging his
head on the wall with the pain.
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All the while going
down and down...
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He didn't ever come back up.
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Do you know what drugs he had?
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No. Well, not really.
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Brian had said how they were all
lined up in his regiment and given them.
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Five or six
vaccinations together.
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It was all hush-hush.
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- What happened afterwards?
- After the flu-like symptoms,
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he came up in purple blotches
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then began to vomit. He couldn't
seem to keep anything down.
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He started screaming,
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a really high-pitched scream,
like he was in intense pain.
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Finally, when he lost consciousness,
he had to go into hospital.
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He was just
different after that.
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He began to lose language.
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He never made eye contact.
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Sometimes he didn't
even recognise us.
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Did anyone say it might
be as a result of the drugs?
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No, they... They kept
saying it wasn't the drugs.
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But when we asked
more questions,
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they couldn't seem to prove it wasn't
any more than we could prove it was.
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Dr Moon.
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Excuse me, Dr Moon.
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- I'm Mr Justice Deed's clerk.
- Yes, I saw you on the bench.
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Well, the judge
would like a word.
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I can't see how that would
benefit either one of us.
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Judge.
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There are no prints
on the cigarette packet.
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- Not according to my friend in CID.
- How is that possible?
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He thinks it's been wiped. It's
the only way it could be so clean.
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Well, there were prints on it when
Superintendent Gaghan checked it.
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She said they were smudged.
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Inside the packet, on the
foil, he did find a partial print.
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Good enough for identification?
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They managed to get a lift off
three ridges of the right thumb.
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They matched a
Major Richard Colby.
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Oh, well done, Stephen.
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He's ex-SAS. Works for a security
outfit called Commercial Index.
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What sort of work that
I couldn't get his file?
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They're an investigative outfit.
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They work mostly for the
Association of British Pharmaceuticals,
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chasing down false claims.
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We'd better ask some
more questions, Stephen.
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Joe!
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I urge you, no, I beg you
to withdraw from this case.
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It would save the Government a
lot of embarrassment. Deed as well.
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Justitia is traditionally
portrayed as blindfolded.
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The idea is that judges must not
be influenced by any irrelevancy,
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such as the personal embarrassment
of anybody, least of all the Government.
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We have put up with the eccentric
behaviour of your ex-son-in-law
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for too long.
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This is something the
Government will not tolerate, Joe.
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Too much is at stake.
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Meaning?
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I can say no more.
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- I'll have a word with him.
- Thank you, Joe.
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Thank you for your support, Joe.
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- It's still not a meeting of minds.
- Well, hopefully you'll change.
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I don't like to be bounced,
either by you or Rochester.
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He gave some pretty cryptic
warnings about this case.
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The stakes are too high for
the Government to let it go.
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- Does he have a plan to stop it?
- I don't know.
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Constitutionally,
you're on thin ice.
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Be very, very careful.
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- Jo, he's gone.
- Who?
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Dr Hiaasen.
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What do you mean, gone? Where?
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Well, I... I went to the hospital to
check his statement, and no doctor.
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Did they say when he'll
be back, where he's gone?
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No one seemed to know.
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He's our one solid witness.
Did you try his home?
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I've tried all his numbers,
they go to message.
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No, no, no, Peter! You
have to go to his home.
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Without him, we're lost before
we've even started. I'll try Liffe.
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He might just know. He
put us onto him. Peter, go!
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Dr Liffe? It's Jo Mills.
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Oh, Mrs Mills. I can't talk.
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- We can't seem to contact Dr Hiaasen.
- Sorry. I'm busy.
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- Dr Liffe, we have to talk.
- Get away from me, Mrs Mills.
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- Just get away.
- Why? What has happened?
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Don't you live in the real
world? It's all over the news.
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- Dr Hiaasen has killed himself.
- What?
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I only talked with
him yesterday.
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He was furious that
people who matter
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knew he was going to
give evidence in your case.
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How? What people?
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He tied a cord around a tree and
around his neck and then drove away.
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I can't help you
any more. Go away.
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That's the same as Dr Dayvis.
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You should watch what you
say on the phone, Mrs Mills.
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- Hey.
- Hey.
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Oh, thank you.
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Are you taking your work home?
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Taking it to my dad to
ask him for some help!
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- Have you got something?
- Mmm, a job.
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- Prosecuting a big DWP fraud in Bristol.
- Wow.
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- Who's your leader?
- No one. It's my own case.
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The CPS approached you?
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It can happen, Dad.
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Yes. Yeah, yeah, sure.
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Hi.
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- Do you know who this is?
- Has my luck changed?
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Can we meet?
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I thought you said
that was too risky.
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More so now. This is urgent.
Meet you in the usual place.
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Is something wrong, Dad?
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No.
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- Proof?
- Come on, John!
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He was about to give evidence.
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Without him, you haven't
got much of a case, have you?
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Summons Dr Liffe. Question
him on Hiaasen's statement.
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You've got to get
somebody to testify
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that the drugs given to Brian
Meam could have harmed him.
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Otherwise the decision to
withdraw funding looks reasonable.
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Liffe won't talk.
He's too spooked.
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Jo, you know that those two scientists
didn't commit suicide and so do I.
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- Yes.
- Yes.
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I'll get the police report
on Hiaasen's death.
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- Sir Ian Rochester, Judge.
- Thanks, Coop.
242
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We understand Mrs Mills's
principal witness has killed himself
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and that you've asked
for the police report.
244
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Don't you find Dr Hiaasen's
death just a little bit odd?
245
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He was under enormous stress.
246
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- Sorry.
- No, no, no.
247
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Oh, no doubt the lunatic fringe,
led by Mrs Mills and her cohorts,
248
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will see a conspiracy.
249
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It was exactly the same
method as Dr Dayvis's death.
250
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Doesn't that bear investigation?
251
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You can't believe the Government
or the pharmaceutical industry
252
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had anything to do
with Dr Hiaasen's death?
253
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I can believe the Government has
done a secret deal to relax regulations
254
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in exchange for cooperative
work on bio-terrorism vaccines.
255
00:16:50,899 --> 00:16:52,834
I can believe that they would go
256
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to extraordinary lengths
to keep that secret.
257
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- That sounds rather far-fetched.
- Does it?
258
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Be that as it may,
there is no question
259
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that Michael Niven's decision
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can be invalidated for
reasons of apparent bias.
261
00:17:06,544 --> 00:17:08,841
Oh, I thought I was the judge.
262
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My Lord.
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As you're so well informed,
Ian, you must know
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that I've summoned the head of the
Legal Services Commission in Bristol
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to inquire on what basis
he withdrew funding.
266
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If I don't get a
satisfactory answer,
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I will summon the head of
the Department of Health,
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00:17:25,890 --> 00:17:28,324
of Defence, of the Home
Office and all their ministers,
269
00:17:28,392 --> 00:17:32,829
right up to the Prime Minister
himself, but I will get the truth.
270
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You could create such a crisis
271
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that credibility in the courts
could become precarious.
272
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Your motives will
simply not be understood.
273
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Yes, in the meanwhile, I will
have the police and medical reports
274
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on Dr Hiaasen's death.
275
00:17:48,940 --> 00:17:53,468
I ask you again, on what
basis did you withdraw funding?
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Insufficient evidence that
the case was winnable.
277
00:17:56,512 --> 00:17:59,345
Prior to that decision, you
had been funding the action?
278
00:17:59,414 --> 00:18:03,612
- Yes, sir. Since the late '90s.
- Believing the case to be winnable?
279
00:18:03,684 --> 00:18:06,812
Well, not after the death
of Dr Rupert Dayvis.
280
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He was the leading researcher.
281
00:18:09,322 --> 00:18:11,415
In the absence of
anyone of his calibre,
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well, all we had to rely on was
the opinion of the independent bar.
283
00:18:15,058 --> 00:18:18,858
As you know, sir, barristers often
get the job once they've advised us.
284
00:18:18,927 --> 00:18:22,624
Was Mrs Mills less than
honest in her assessment?
285
00:18:22,697 --> 00:18:24,825
No, sir. She was very frank.
286
00:18:25,066 --> 00:18:28,502
Then what led you to
reassess the case, Mr Cherry?
287
00:18:28,568 --> 00:18:30,832
We do from time to time, sir.
288
00:18:31,904 --> 00:18:34,668
Something specifically
prompted this.
289
00:18:38,409 --> 00:18:41,242
Mr Door, are you
instructing this witness?
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00:18:42,612 --> 00:18:44,773
My Lord, this is most irregular.
291
00:18:44,846 --> 00:18:48,179
Yes, please forgive me, Sir Peter.
It's the influence of The Hague.
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I'm allowed to conduct things
differently there. Mr Door?
293
00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,280
No, I'm not
instructing the witness.
294
00:18:55,354 --> 00:18:56,981
Good. Mr Cherry?
295
00:18:58,923 --> 00:19:01,051
The answer's not over there.
296
00:19:04,327 --> 00:19:06,990
Well, sir, there was a request.
297
00:19:07,063 --> 00:19:08,122
Ah.
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From whom?
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00:19:11,900 --> 00:19:15,063
- A Government department.
- Well, don't tell me,
300
00:19:15,135 --> 00:19:17,126
let me guess. The Home Office?
301
00:19:19,205 --> 00:19:22,606
You don't have to answer
this witness summons, Percy.
302
00:19:23,207 --> 00:19:26,973
If I don't, Rochester thinks Deed
will put me in jail for contempt.
303
00:19:27,043 --> 00:19:28,408
Now, there's a wonderful irony.
304
00:19:28,477 --> 00:19:31,447
The head of the Home Office
Civil Service in one of our own jails!
305
00:19:31,512 --> 00:19:33,413
Not an edifying prospect.
306
00:19:33,481 --> 00:19:36,081
Pity our Civil Contingencies
amendment bill isn't done and dusted.
307
00:19:36,150 --> 00:19:38,617
It wouldn't matter
then what Deed learns.
308
00:19:38,684 --> 00:19:40,676
Should I go, Home Secretary?
309
00:19:40,753 --> 00:19:43,688
Ah, it's either that
or Australia, Percy.
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00:19:47,725 --> 00:19:49,751
Not transportation.
311
00:19:50,294 --> 00:19:53,286
A fact-finding trip to...
Tasmania, perhaps?
312
00:19:53,663 --> 00:19:56,187
I think I'd rather take
my chances with Deed.
313
00:19:57,065 --> 00:19:58,862
Stall him, Percy.
314
00:19:58,933 --> 00:20:03,528
I'll speak to the Leader of the House,
see if we can get a rush on our bill.
315
00:20:17,245 --> 00:20:20,237
- You.
- Dr Moon, I really need to talk to you.
316
00:20:21,649 --> 00:20:25,085
I don't have to. Don't you
know what's happened again?
317
00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:28,985
Can I come in, please?
318
00:20:31,990 --> 00:20:34,015
I don't want to talk inside.
319
00:20:42,030 --> 00:20:44,362
Has anyone threatened you?
320
00:20:44,432 --> 00:20:46,798
No one needs to threaten me.
321
00:20:46,867 --> 00:20:49,393
I'm forever looking
over my shoulder,
322
00:20:49,769 --> 00:20:53,035
wondering about the woman buying a
newspaper, the man sitting in the car.
323
00:20:53,105 --> 00:20:56,835
I guard my phone conversations
in case anyone is listening.
324
00:20:57,274 --> 00:20:59,368
Is that why you wanted to walk?
325
00:21:01,277 --> 00:21:04,110
Sometimes I just can't
bear being enclosed.
326
00:21:04,646 --> 00:21:07,308
Whatever it is you
want, I can't help you!
327
00:21:07,381 --> 00:21:08,973
I think you can.
328
00:21:09,616 --> 00:21:12,142
I think that's why
you came to my court.
329
00:21:12,218 --> 00:21:14,948
How many deaths
will it take to stop you?
330
00:21:17,955 --> 00:21:22,153
I've seen the police report to
the coroner on Dr Hiaasen's death.
331
00:21:22,792 --> 00:21:25,023
It clearly suggests suicide.
332
00:21:26,327 --> 00:21:28,956
He was heavily in
debt from gambling.
333
00:21:29,731 --> 00:21:31,722
Well, I won't believe that.
334
00:21:31,865 --> 00:21:34,596
Peter Hiaasen was too
careful ever to gamble.
335
00:21:34,668 --> 00:21:36,192
And Dr Dayvis?
336
00:21:37,335 --> 00:21:39,361
How well did you know him?
337
00:21:40,404 --> 00:21:42,498
We saw each other every day.
338
00:21:44,474 --> 00:21:48,411
- Do you have access to his information?
- No, I can't help you. I can't!
339
00:21:49,111 --> 00:21:51,671
You have the information.
340
00:21:51,747 --> 00:21:54,305
- That's why you came to court.
- No, you...
341
00:21:54,848 --> 00:21:57,010
You people, you don't care.
342
00:21:57,883 --> 00:22:00,011
Look, I can't help you.
343
00:22:01,987 --> 00:22:04,784
All right. I'll find
another way.
344
00:22:05,757 --> 00:22:08,850
Sir Percy, do you know
why you were summoned?
345
00:22:09,792 --> 00:22:11,919
I understand to answer questions
346
00:22:11,993 --> 00:22:14,962
about the Home Office's
planned response to bio-terrorism.
347
00:22:15,029 --> 00:22:18,261
Have you been intimately
involved in planning that?
348
00:22:18,332 --> 00:22:20,232
As head of the Home
Office Civil Service,
349
00:22:20,300 --> 00:22:22,427
it's part of my overall
responsibility, yes.
350
00:22:22,501 --> 00:22:25,595
It's a bit more than that, Sir
Percy. You were instrumental
351
00:22:25,670 --> 00:22:29,003
in drafting the Home Office's
Civil Contingencies Act.
352
00:22:29,072 --> 00:22:30,097
I had a hand in it.
353
00:22:30,174 --> 00:22:32,013
Dealing directly with
pharmaceutical companies.
354
00:22:32,075 --> 00:22:33,634
I didn't write the
amendment bill.
355
00:22:33,710 --> 00:22:36,234
But you did call Bristol
Legal Services Commission,
356
00:22:36,311 --> 00:22:38,109
suggesting that they
withdraw the funding
357
00:22:38,179 --> 00:22:40,444
for Brian Meam to sue
the drugs company?
358
00:22:40,515 --> 00:22:42,676
No, I do not believe I did.
359
00:22:43,784 --> 00:22:47,777
Well, according to the manager
there, someone in the Home Office did.
360
00:22:47,854 --> 00:22:49,151
It's a large department.
361
00:22:49,221 --> 00:22:51,087
Yes, for which you have
overall responsibility.
362
00:22:51,156 --> 00:22:53,147
But I don't task every action.
363
00:22:53,223 --> 00:22:56,022
Then who did and
on whose authority?
364
00:23:00,595 --> 00:23:03,224
- Well, Sir Percy?
- I don't recall that detail.
365
00:23:03,297 --> 00:23:07,097
Fine. Then I'll give you
time to think about it.
366
00:23:07,166 --> 00:23:11,227
Meanwhile, Mrs Mills and Sir
Peter will examine you. Mrs Mills?
367
00:23:13,671 --> 00:23:18,039
What is the Home Office's provisional
budget to counter bio-terrorism?
368
00:23:18,441 --> 00:23:20,376
I don't have the
figures to hand.
369
00:23:20,576 --> 00:23:21,804
Roughly?
370
00:23:22,944 --> 00:23:26,073
In the region of £4 billion.
371
00:23:26,147 --> 00:23:29,014
- To vaccinate everyone in the country?
- No.
372
00:23:29,083 --> 00:23:31,915
The money is given to the
Health Protection Agency
373
00:23:31,984 --> 00:23:34,613
to work with
pharmaceutical companies.
374
00:23:34,753 --> 00:23:38,552
Bio-warfare vaccines are
part of our overall policy plan.
375
00:23:38,622 --> 00:23:41,456
That must make you
an awfully good friend
376
00:23:41,525 --> 00:23:43,426
to the big pharmaceutical
companies.
377
00:23:43,493 --> 00:23:45,790
My Lord, although Sir
Percy is not my witness,
378
00:23:45,860 --> 00:23:48,591
I do in fairness
protest on his behalf.
379
00:23:48,863 --> 00:23:52,696
My learned friend is implying a
venal relationship. I'm sure none exists.
380
00:23:52,765 --> 00:23:54,358
Mrs Mills,
381
00:23:54,433 --> 00:23:56,697
you are allowing your enthusiasm
382
00:23:56,769 --> 00:23:59,931
to carry you beyond the
boundaries of this case.
383
00:24:02,039 --> 00:24:04,201
I have no further questions.
384
00:24:04,508 --> 00:24:05,873
Sir Peter.
385
00:24:07,644 --> 00:24:11,307
Sir Percy, what is the annual
budget of the Home Office?
386
00:24:11,946 --> 00:24:15,279
- About £14 billion.
- Which you spend personally?
387
00:24:18,617 --> 00:24:21,678
Let's get these
astronomical sums in context.
388
00:24:21,754 --> 00:24:23,914
How much do you
spend annually on prisons,
389
00:24:23,987 --> 00:24:25,478
to protect the public
from offenders?
390
00:24:25,556 --> 00:24:26,649
£2.6 billion.
391
00:24:26,723 --> 00:24:29,157
So then £4 billion to be spent
392
00:24:29,225 --> 00:24:32,820
protecting the whole of the
nation against bio-warfare
393
00:24:32,894 --> 00:24:33,918
doesn't seem so much.
394
00:24:33,995 --> 00:24:36,725
- No, that's jolly good value.
- Thank you, Sir Percy.
395
00:24:41,433 --> 00:24:43,026
Memory improved?
396
00:24:44,269 --> 00:24:48,102
We have 15,000 employees
at the Home Office.
397
00:24:48,906 --> 00:24:50,396
For whom you
have responsibility.
398
00:24:50,473 --> 00:24:54,466
Including the cleaners. I don't
remember all their names, either.
399
00:24:55,209 --> 00:24:59,304
Only a handful of people
could have instructed Mr Cherry.
400
00:25:00,380 --> 00:25:02,906
Probably a member
of your committee?
401
00:25:04,917 --> 00:25:07,283
No one candidate comes to mind?
402
00:25:07,352 --> 00:25:10,844
- I'm afraid not.
- Then step down. We'll recall Mr Cherry.
403
00:25:11,522 --> 00:25:14,082
- Remain in court.
- I do have a department to run.
404
00:25:14,157 --> 00:25:17,184
You'll leave when we
get satisfactory answers.
405
00:25:20,027 --> 00:25:22,962
Mr Cherry, please
return to the witness box.
406
00:25:31,036 --> 00:25:33,560
Remember, you
are still under oath.
407
00:25:36,340 --> 00:25:38,831
Who at the Home
Office called you
408
00:25:38,908 --> 00:25:42,571
to suggest you withdraw
legal aid from Brian Meam?
409
00:25:44,211 --> 00:25:45,941
Well, I don't recall, sir.
410
00:25:47,380 --> 00:25:51,715
Mr Cherry, you are coming
perilously close to prison.
411
00:25:54,752 --> 00:25:57,846
No, sir, I'm not sure
he identified himself.
412
00:25:58,789 --> 00:26:01,848
What, you took instruction
from an unidentified caller?
413
00:26:01,924 --> 00:26:04,257
Can you really be such a ninny?
414
00:26:16,102 --> 00:26:18,195
His name is Lex Wetcote.
415
00:26:18,502 --> 00:26:21,939
Ah. Not a name easily forgotten.
416
00:26:23,540 --> 00:26:26,509
Sir Percy, do you
know this person?
417
00:26:26,576 --> 00:26:29,476
He's an undersecretary
with the directorate.
418
00:26:29,744 --> 00:26:31,508
And what is that,
in plain English?
419
00:26:31,579 --> 00:26:34,207
- He runs a few committees.
- On what?
420
00:26:34,848 --> 00:26:37,044
Health policy, civil defence.
421
00:26:37,783 --> 00:26:40,183
Certain aspects
of bio-terrorism.
422
00:26:42,053 --> 00:26:45,420
Then we'll get Mr
Wetcote here, question him.
423
00:26:45,489 --> 00:26:49,220
And if I find he's been sent to
New Zealand or some such place,
424
00:26:49,291 --> 00:26:50,884
there'll be trouble.
425
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,723
Might I be permitted
to leave now?
426
00:26:52,794 --> 00:26:56,093
No. We will rise and
await Mr Wetcote's arrival.
427
00:26:57,898 --> 00:26:59,229
All rise.
428
00:27:00,565 --> 00:27:03,160
Oh, Judge, I thought you
were going to throw them in jail!
429
00:27:03,235 --> 00:27:04,999
I came close, Coop.
430
00:27:08,205 --> 00:27:09,695
Thank you.
431
00:27:11,541 --> 00:27:14,009
They do serve
excellent tea here, Neil.
432
00:27:16,678 --> 00:27:18,840
You seem remarkably relaxed.
433
00:27:19,147 --> 00:27:21,774
I'm confident that you
can deal with things, Neil.
434
00:27:21,847 --> 00:27:23,975
Deed is insisting on me.
435
00:27:24,050 --> 00:27:28,009
Maybe we should wait till he
drags you off in irons. If he dares.
436
00:27:29,587 --> 00:27:33,386
Can you put your Civil
Contingencies amendment bill to bed?
437
00:27:34,190 --> 00:27:36,056
It's back to the
Commons on Thursday.
438
00:27:36,125 --> 00:27:39,424
- That's the earliest we could fit it in.
- Will it go through unimpeded?
439
00:27:39,494 --> 00:27:42,485
No one's raised any
objections to any of the sections.
440
00:27:42,562 --> 00:27:45,191
MPs are spooked
by terrorist threats.
441
00:27:45,831 --> 00:27:47,823
It's a formality, Samuel.
442
00:27:47,900 --> 00:27:50,801
After that, Deed's
efforts are meaningless.
443
00:27:50,868 --> 00:27:52,768
Ah, Deed, yes.
444
00:27:52,836 --> 00:27:57,001
Well, my researchers assure me
that we have nothing to fear from Deed.
445
00:27:57,074 --> 00:27:59,667
He had sex with the
claimant's barrister.
446
00:28:00,443 --> 00:28:02,673
That's happened many times.
447
00:28:02,744 --> 00:28:04,837
But it's not allowed, is it?
448
00:28:06,246 --> 00:28:08,305
We've been there before, Samuel.
449
00:28:08,381 --> 00:28:10,645
- It didn't dent him.
- No.
450
00:28:10,717 --> 00:28:13,708
You've been there
before without evidence.
451
00:28:15,586 --> 00:28:17,953
Ten days ago, in
Mills's apartment.
452
00:28:18,022 --> 00:28:21,253
They talked about Justice
Niven's handling of the case,
453
00:28:21,324 --> 00:28:24,121
how compelling her
evidence had to be.
454
00:28:24,192 --> 00:28:27,320
And then the Beast of
The Strand got his reward.
455
00:28:37,735 --> 00:28:42,400
Mr Wetcote, why is a
Home Office undersecretary
456
00:28:42,473 --> 00:28:45,931
concerning himself with
funding in a civil action?
457
00:28:46,341 --> 00:28:48,400
It's joined-up
government, My Lord.
458
00:28:48,476 --> 00:28:52,538
Our experience in criminal justice
makes us realise that courts of law
459
00:28:52,613 --> 00:28:57,049
are not good places to settle
highly contentious, big-money cases.
460
00:28:58,583 --> 00:29:01,747
You felt it your duty
to withdraw funding
461
00:29:01,819 --> 00:29:05,277
that had been running for years
with the case almost to court?
462
00:29:05,355 --> 00:29:08,017
The withdrawal of
funding wasn't my decision.
463
00:29:08,090 --> 00:29:12,423
I saw a potential saving and invited
consideration of my suggestions.
464
00:29:12,493 --> 00:29:15,429
Without consulting
anyone in your department?
465
00:29:15,496 --> 00:29:17,328
It was my initiative.
466
00:29:18,264 --> 00:29:21,631
Do you know, Mr Wetcote,
I don't think I believe you.
467
00:29:22,601 --> 00:29:25,627
Mrs Mills, would you like
to examine this witness?
468
00:29:25,736 --> 00:29:27,169
My Lord.
469
00:29:27,638 --> 00:29:29,969
The pharmaceutical
companies that are developing
470
00:29:30,038 --> 00:29:33,565
the £4 billion
bio-terrorist vaccines,
471
00:29:34,243 --> 00:29:38,179
are they also making the drugs that the
Army is giving to its combat personnel?
472
00:29:38,246 --> 00:29:41,238
The Government has a well-developed
policy for drug procurement.
473
00:29:41,314 --> 00:29:44,111
Inevitably, Caversham are
involved in both elements.
474
00:29:44,182 --> 00:29:47,128
Did you have a conversation with someone
about preventing Caversham being sued?
475
00:29:47,152 --> 00:29:49,950
I don't remember talking to
anyone specifically about that.
476
00:29:50,020 --> 00:29:52,046
Unless I did it in my sleep.
477
00:29:52,122 --> 00:29:55,319
Are you in the habit of talking
in your sleep, Mr Wetcote?
478
00:29:55,391 --> 00:30:00,020
No. Nor of sleeping with people I
have an ethical duty not to sleep with.
479
00:30:10,401 --> 00:30:12,028
Mr Wetcote...
480
00:30:13,104 --> 00:30:16,834
I would like you to bring to
court all the papers and e-mails
481
00:30:16,906 --> 00:30:20,740
that have passed between you
and the pharmaceutical companies.
482
00:30:21,109 --> 00:30:23,771
And I mean all of them.
483
00:30:23,844 --> 00:30:26,176
- That's a mountain of paper.
- Yes.
484
00:30:26,245 --> 00:30:30,273
Then let's hope the Home Office
spends wisely on its haulage firm.
485
00:30:30,349 --> 00:30:32,987
My Lord, I know the hour is late,
but might I examine this witness?
486
00:30:33,285 --> 00:30:34,594
- My Lord.
- There will be ample time
487
00:30:34,618 --> 00:30:37,087
for all of us tomorrow.
488
00:30:37,154 --> 00:30:38,621
All rise.
489
00:30:41,924 --> 00:30:43,653
This is madness, Percy.
490
00:30:43,725 --> 00:30:46,193
We can't show some
of those memos.
491
00:30:46,260 --> 00:30:47,728
Of course we can.
492
00:30:48,962 --> 00:30:51,954
Mrs Mills, Sir Peter, the judge
wonders if you can join him.
493
00:30:52,031 --> 00:30:55,831
I certainly can't. Apologies.
I'm frightfully late as it is.
494
00:31:00,137 --> 00:31:03,573
Sir Peter regrets, Judge.
He's late for another meeting.
495
00:31:03,872 --> 00:31:05,000
Ah.
496
00:31:05,674 --> 00:31:08,269
In that case you'd best
stay, Coop, have some tea.
497
00:31:08,343 --> 00:31:09,708
Thank you.
498
00:31:10,810 --> 00:31:14,144
I don't know how much longer
we can let this continue, Jo.
499
00:31:14,213 --> 00:31:18,878
That was to have been the nature of my
conversation with you and Peter Dulford.
500
00:31:18,951 --> 00:31:20,384
You can guess where he's gone.
501
00:31:20,451 --> 00:31:22,044
Yeah. To take instructions.
502
00:31:22,119 --> 00:31:24,985
To make sure the Home Office
resists bringing any papers into the court,
503
00:31:25,054 --> 00:31:27,148
especially those
suggesting complicity.
504
00:31:27,223 --> 00:31:28,520
You know there is.
505
00:31:28,590 --> 00:31:31,718
Just as you know that that
man's death wasn't coincidental.
506
00:31:31,792 --> 00:31:33,556
Not unless you could show it.
507
00:31:33,627 --> 00:31:35,960
Peter Dulford will
argue that first thing.
508
00:31:36,029 --> 00:31:38,395
I feel like I'm choking
on the injustice of it.
509
00:31:38,464 --> 00:31:41,023
What about Liffe? Won't he
help? We can offer him protection.
510
00:31:41,099 --> 00:31:42,828
I don't think that
will convince him.
511
00:31:42,901 --> 00:31:45,199
What I need are
Dr Dayvis's papers.
512
00:31:45,269 --> 00:31:47,828
I can only pray that they turn
up with the Home Office papers.
513
00:31:47,904 --> 00:31:50,873
Well, unless I know they have
a copy, I can't ask for them.
514
00:31:50,939 --> 00:31:54,397
Well, perhaps Sir Percy
Thrower will let something slip.
515
00:31:54,475 --> 00:31:58,104
Like the Civil Contingencies
amendment bill that he didn't write.
516
00:31:58,178 --> 00:32:00,409
- What amendment?
- Don't ask me.
517
00:32:00,747 --> 00:32:03,237
I'm struggling to keep up with
the criminal justice legislation
518
00:32:03,314 --> 00:32:04,907
spilling out of the Home Office.
519
00:32:04,983 --> 00:32:08,783
As I have to say are most barristers.
600 new crimes in ten years!
520
00:32:08,852 --> 00:32:11,219
Check the website, Coop, please.
521
00:32:11,288 --> 00:32:13,778
We were briefed
on the original act.
522
00:32:13,855 --> 00:32:16,120
It imposes duties
on local authorities
523
00:32:16,191 --> 00:32:18,785
in the event of a
breakdown in public order
524
00:32:18,859 --> 00:32:21,658
following an event
like bio-terrorism.
525
00:32:21,862 --> 00:32:25,059
What is the add-on plan?
Put everybody in prison?
526
00:32:25,265 --> 00:32:27,130
It's 38 pages, Judge.
527
00:32:27,199 --> 00:32:28,929
- We just need the amendment.
- Yeah.
528
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,766
- 54 sections and loads of schedules.
- Oh, great.
529
00:32:35,505 --> 00:32:36,972
Thanks, Coop.
530
00:32:40,208 --> 00:32:44,906
Section 27, Schedule 3.
Extension of Crown immunity.
531
00:32:44,977 --> 00:32:48,344
Any organisation,
private or public,
532
00:32:48,413 --> 00:32:53,510
designated by the minister as
within the terms of Section 42.1.
533
00:32:59,789 --> 00:33:03,747
Pharmaceutical production and
development? Why are they protected?
534
00:33:03,824 --> 00:33:06,258
They make
bio-terrorism vaccines.
535
00:33:06,661 --> 00:33:08,958
You know what this
means, don't you?
536
00:33:09,028 --> 00:33:10,758
They can't be sued if
the vaccines go wrong.
537
00:33:10,829 --> 00:33:11,922
No. More than that.
538
00:33:11,997 --> 00:33:15,660
If it goes through like this, it
will have retrospective action.
539
00:33:15,733 --> 00:33:20,500
You won't ever be able to sue Caversham
or any other pharmaceutical company.
540
00:33:20,570 --> 00:33:22,060
Then why has no
one ever protested?
541
00:33:22,138 --> 00:33:26,074
Because it's hidden away, seemingly
innocuous. This is momentous.
542
00:33:26,141 --> 00:33:29,201
If this bill goes through like this on
Thursday, you're dead in the water.
543
00:33:29,276 --> 00:33:30,641
The Lords will hold it up.
544
00:33:30,711 --> 00:33:34,670
It's already been through its
committee stages there, Mrs Mills, look.
545
00:33:35,547 --> 00:33:38,483
- John, they can't get away with this.
- Well, they did in America.
546
00:33:38,549 --> 00:33:42,679
They slipped just such a clause
into the Homeland Securities Bill.
547
00:33:44,955 --> 00:33:47,479
Find a witness, prove your case.
548
00:33:48,390 --> 00:33:52,121
I'll try to hold up the passage
of the bill from the court.
549
00:33:52,492 --> 00:33:54,619
No, no. It can't be done.
550
00:33:55,128 --> 00:33:56,789
It's a step too far.
551
00:33:56,862 --> 00:33:59,592
It would be thwarting
the will of Parliament.
552
00:34:00,298 --> 00:34:04,098
That would cause a constitutional
crisis the like of which has not been seen
553
00:34:04,168 --> 00:34:07,228
since... since the Reformation!
554
00:34:07,303 --> 00:34:11,330
That's how important this is, Joe.
The loss of the right of one individual
555
00:34:11,406 --> 00:34:12,806
to seek redress
through the courts
556
00:34:12,874 --> 00:34:14,842
with thousands of
possible cases pending?
557
00:34:14,909 --> 00:34:19,242
Protection against a corporately
arrogant executive is that important.
558
00:34:19,779 --> 00:34:21,508
Yes, well...
559
00:34:21,947 --> 00:34:23,881
The case has to be solid.
560
00:34:23,948 --> 00:34:26,075
Help me with this one, Joe.
561
00:34:26,149 --> 00:34:30,109
There's still plenty of good law
to stop a development like this.
562
00:34:30,720 --> 00:34:32,881
Well, we must
check the evidence.
563
00:34:35,890 --> 00:34:37,381
I've got to go.
564
00:34:40,694 --> 00:34:44,186
Neil? What are you doing? I
thought you were coming up.
565
00:34:45,197 --> 00:34:49,224
I'm listening to your ex dig his
own grave, judicially speaking.
566
00:34:49,633 --> 00:34:50,794
What?
567
00:34:52,135 --> 00:34:53,625
Let me hear.
568
00:34:57,071 --> 00:34:59,734
Wait. There.
569
00:35:04,911 --> 00:35:07,640
Is it real? I don't believe it.
570
00:35:07,712 --> 00:35:10,772
Oh, George, it's real, as
real and happening as can be!
571
00:35:10,848 --> 00:35:13,113
What are you
going to do with it?
572
00:35:13,183 --> 00:35:15,152
The most harm possible.
573
00:35:23,724 --> 00:35:24,986
How's your case?
574
00:35:25,058 --> 00:35:26,526
Big and getting bigger.
575
00:35:26,593 --> 00:35:28,527
I got your message.
Why so secret?
576
00:35:28,594 --> 00:35:31,359
- I don't want to risk the phone.
- What, it's bugged?
577
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:32,693
Paranoid!
578
00:35:33,165 --> 00:35:36,328
Talk to your granddad, Chas. I want
you to give him some help on this case.
579
00:35:36,401 --> 00:35:39,028
- I'm up to my eyes, Dad.
- If we don't stop what's happening...
580
00:35:39,101 --> 00:35:41,332
- Oh, but Dad!
- Do it, Chas.
581
00:35:42,237 --> 00:35:43,796
I've got to go.
582
00:35:51,711 --> 00:35:52,973
Can I come in?
583
00:35:53,045 --> 00:35:56,105
Why did you come back?
I have nothing to say.
584
00:35:56,180 --> 00:35:59,479
You may be the last chance these
soldiers and their families have.
585
00:35:59,549 --> 00:36:01,347
I'm sorry, Mr Deed.
586
00:36:02,585 --> 00:36:05,019
I haven't got
anywhere else to go.
587
00:36:10,892 --> 00:36:14,885
I'm scared of what will happen if
I help you get Dr Dayvis's papers.
588
00:36:16,128 --> 00:36:18,120
The court can protect you.
589
00:36:18,197 --> 00:36:20,028
It's the only way.
590
00:36:20,564 --> 00:36:24,295
There's a bill about to complete
its passage through Parliament.
591
00:36:24,367 --> 00:36:28,134
It will stop anyone ever suing
the pharmaceutical companies.
592
00:36:28,204 --> 00:36:31,901
- You can't stop these people.
- We might, if we expose this.
593
00:36:32,673 --> 00:36:34,005
They will kill me.
594
00:36:34,075 --> 00:36:35,873
Not once the information's out.
595
00:36:35,942 --> 00:36:39,242
- I don't have it!
- Does it exist?
596
00:36:41,412 --> 00:36:43,643
Did Dr Dayvis have the facts?
597
00:36:44,048 --> 00:36:49,213
Security people from Caversham
took all his papers and computer.
598
00:36:50,686 --> 00:36:52,587
There must have been a copy.
599
00:36:52,655 --> 00:36:54,885
He made copies of everything.
600
00:36:56,024 --> 00:36:58,617
Well, did Caversham
take everything?
601
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:07,498
He did have a
back-up hard drive.
602
00:37:09,466 --> 00:37:10,991
Well, have you got it?
603
00:37:11,067 --> 00:37:12,466
Is it here?
604
00:37:18,172 --> 00:37:19,401
Well, that's the good news.
605
00:37:19,473 --> 00:37:21,442
He's getting the hard drive.
606
00:37:22,476 --> 00:37:23,953
We'd better give Mr
Butler the bad news
607
00:37:23,977 --> 00:37:26,672
about Deed trying to
stop the amendment bill.
608
00:37:52,264 --> 00:37:54,663
- Hello?
- Charlie, it's me.
609
00:38:03,638 --> 00:38:05,435
I thought we
might go for dinner.
610
00:38:05,506 --> 00:38:08,475
I have to finish this.
Dad needs it urgently.
611
00:38:09,243 --> 00:38:10,938
Have you seen him lately?
612
00:38:11,010 --> 00:38:13,309
I'm flat out with
this case in Bristol.
613
00:38:13,378 --> 00:38:15,505
Is he still seeing Jo Mills?
614
00:38:15,646 --> 00:38:16,740
I doubt it.
615
00:38:16,815 --> 00:38:19,180
She's before him in a
case. He'd be in real trouble.
616
00:38:19,249 --> 00:38:22,446
I think he is in real trouble.
617
00:38:22,784 --> 00:38:24,912
Nothing unusual there, then.
618
00:38:26,822 --> 00:38:29,585
This time might be
a little more serious.
619
00:38:31,992 --> 00:38:37,589
Neil has a recording of the Deed and
Jo Mills having sex in her apartment.
620
00:38:37,996 --> 00:38:39,191
How?
621
00:38:39,696 --> 00:38:42,325
Normally, Charlie, he
does it with a lot of charm.
622
00:38:42,399 --> 00:38:44,595
This time he was a
little less charming.
623
00:38:44,667 --> 00:38:46,532
How did they get the recording?
624
00:38:46,601 --> 00:38:48,467
Neil wouldn't say.
625
00:38:48,537 --> 00:38:50,046
But they talk about
the case starting.
626
00:38:50,070 --> 00:38:52,062
Is it real? This could ruin Dad.
627
00:38:52,139 --> 00:38:55,575
From the way Neil's
feeling, I'd say it was real.
628
00:38:55,642 --> 00:38:57,303
He's so stupid!
629
00:38:58,511 --> 00:39:00,172
I have to go and warn him.
630
00:39:00,245 --> 00:39:02,076
I thought you might.
631
00:39:08,552 --> 00:39:10,917
Someone's bugged your apartment.
632
00:39:13,788 --> 00:39:15,518
Oh, I feel sick.
633
00:39:15,590 --> 00:39:18,923
Neil Haughton hates Dad. He's
going to release that recording.
634
00:39:18,992 --> 00:39:20,584
Did you warn John?
635
00:39:20,660 --> 00:39:21,659
His phone's switched off.
636
00:39:21,726 --> 00:39:24,752
I didn't want to leave a message
in case that was bugged, too.
637
00:39:28,765 --> 00:39:30,233
What a mess.
638
00:39:42,508 --> 00:39:45,137
Goodness, didn't you go to bed?
639
00:39:45,211 --> 00:39:46,269
No.
640
00:39:47,278 --> 00:39:49,941
Mrs Mills is trying
to get hold of you.
641
00:39:50,014 --> 00:39:53,415
She didn't call. She thinks
her phone's being bugged.
642
00:39:55,885 --> 00:39:57,819
Um...
643
00:39:57,986 --> 00:40:00,820
Right. Get her to meet
me in the car park.
644
00:40:01,122 --> 00:40:03,453
They can't have bugged that yet!
645
00:40:06,425 --> 00:40:08,656
I'm sorry I got you into this.
646
00:40:15,765 --> 00:40:18,098
Are we any further with Dayvis?
647
00:40:19,401 --> 00:40:21,836
Yes. I got hold
of his hard drive.
648
00:40:24,271 --> 00:40:26,831
I'm no scientist, Jo, but it
looks like the drugs are safe.
649
00:40:26,907 --> 00:40:28,899
He couldn't repeat
his earlier findings.
650
00:40:33,211 --> 00:40:35,042
Is this authentic?
651
00:40:35,113 --> 00:40:36,842
As a two-pound coin.
652
00:40:38,214 --> 00:40:39,944
You'll have to report it, Peter.
653
00:40:42,085 --> 00:40:45,987
Sir Peter Dulford would like to
see you and Sir Joseph. Alone.
654
00:40:46,121 --> 00:40:47,179
Oh!
655
00:40:47,255 --> 00:40:48,950
Tell him to wait.
656
00:40:49,490 --> 00:40:51,390
I'll talk to you later.
657
00:40:55,326 --> 00:40:58,091
Are the parties in the
internet case here?
658
00:40:58,162 --> 00:41:00,824
- Only Ian McCartney.
- Oh. Oh, well.
659
00:41:01,198 --> 00:41:02,893
No, no! Um...
660
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,235
Ask Ian McCartney to
come in here, would you?
661
00:41:12,872 --> 00:41:14,670
How did that happen?
662
00:41:15,475 --> 00:41:17,739
In a car crash when I was ten.
663
00:41:19,244 --> 00:41:21,235
My parents were killed.
664
00:41:22,146 --> 00:41:25,115
That's a lot for a
ten-year-old to overcome.
665
00:41:25,915 --> 00:41:27,109
Yeah.
666
00:41:29,351 --> 00:41:32,650
There were times
where I felt like giving up.
667
00:41:34,289 --> 00:41:36,484
You know, people think it's just
668
00:41:36,556 --> 00:41:39,582
losing your parents or
not being able to walk but...
669
00:41:40,925 --> 00:41:43,554
but actually, you
can overcome that.
670
00:41:44,228 --> 00:41:47,425
It's the loss of hope that
really brings you down.
671
00:41:50,466 --> 00:41:53,196
Then I learned I was
good with computers
672
00:41:53,468 --> 00:41:56,995
and the world opened up to
me there. Changed everything.
673
00:42:00,573 --> 00:42:03,633
Internet Raiders have
offered me £5 million.
674
00:42:04,610 --> 00:42:06,408
I'm not sure if that's enough.
675
00:42:06,477 --> 00:42:08,274
It's a lot of money.
676
00:42:08,345 --> 00:42:11,406
I have a good case and time.
677
00:42:12,649 --> 00:42:16,415
Did you ever dream
of having £5 million?
678
00:42:16,885 --> 00:42:19,582
Off the record? No.
679
00:42:20,954 --> 00:42:23,321
Anything can happen
in a two-year trial.
680
00:42:23,390 --> 00:42:25,119
Take the money.
681
00:42:32,229 --> 00:42:35,665
Is it possible to look
at a computer hard disk
682
00:42:35,732 --> 00:42:39,293
and see if its contents are
camouflaging something else?
683
00:42:39,368 --> 00:42:41,030
What do you mean?
684
00:42:44,172 --> 00:42:46,469
Two people may have died
685
00:42:47,273 --> 00:42:50,367
because of what was
assumed to be on this disk.
686
00:42:50,876 --> 00:42:53,344
What's there now
is insignificant.
687
00:42:54,679 --> 00:42:55,737
Were they bumped off?
688
00:42:55,813 --> 00:42:58,476
That's a possibility
we're looking at.
689
00:43:01,317 --> 00:43:04,718
So you want to know if a file on
this has been changed in some way?
690
00:43:04,786 --> 00:43:07,948
I want to know what's there that
could have got two men killed.
691
00:43:08,021 --> 00:43:09,853
There's got to be
something else.
692
00:43:09,923 --> 00:43:11,399
Have you searched
the drive for hidden files?
693
00:43:11,423 --> 00:43:13,790
I wouldn't know
how, Mr McCartney.
694
00:43:14,592 --> 00:43:16,288
Will you help us?
695
00:43:18,362 --> 00:43:19,489
Yes.
696
00:43:23,332 --> 00:43:25,425
Tell Coop if you find anything.
697
00:43:32,038 --> 00:43:33,371
All rise.
698
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,443
My Lord, I would rather this
matter was raised in your chambers.
699
00:43:48,384 --> 00:43:50,546
We can sit here in chambers.
700
00:43:51,552 --> 00:43:53,953
Clear the public gallery,
would you, please?
701
00:44:03,260 --> 00:44:04,627
Sir Peter?
702
00:44:11,167 --> 00:44:12,998
It'll keep, My Lord.
703
00:44:13,068 --> 00:44:15,502
Then I'll have the public back.
704
00:44:19,806 --> 00:44:22,400
However, there
is a matter of law.
705
00:44:23,409 --> 00:44:26,970
We dispute the right of
the trial judges to be partial
706
00:44:27,044 --> 00:44:29,842
in the choice of
witnesses they call.
707
00:44:30,247 --> 00:44:33,944
The common law does not admit to this
being done without the parties' consent.
708
00:44:34,016 --> 00:44:36,280
I refer Your Lordships to
709
00:44:36,351 --> 00:44:40,651
Re Enoch and Zaretsky, Bock
and Company in a case from 1910,
710
00:44:40,721 --> 00:44:46,057
reported in the first volume of the
King's Bench reports at page 327.
711
00:44:46,125 --> 00:44:47,786
Yes, Sir Peter, but
providing we act
712
00:44:47,859 --> 00:44:50,760
within the overriding
objective principle
713
00:44:50,828 --> 00:44:53,661
of dealing with the case justly,
714
00:44:53,730 --> 00:45:00,135
rule 32.1 means we can ask
for any witness we deem relevant.
715
00:45:02,235 --> 00:45:05,069
"Joined-up justice",
I believe it's called.
716
00:45:06,740 --> 00:45:08,207
My Lord.
717
00:45:13,110 --> 00:45:16,877
We would like Samuel Butler, the
CEO of Caversham Pharmaceuticals,
718
00:45:16,947 --> 00:45:18,175
to answer questions.
719
00:45:18,247 --> 00:45:20,580
Is this witness even available?
720
00:45:21,483 --> 00:45:24,180
Well, we'll adjourn until he is.
721
00:45:24,252 --> 00:45:25,549
All rise.
722
00:45:27,988 --> 00:45:32,117
The longer Deed takes, the closer
our amendments come to being law.
723
00:45:32,825 --> 00:45:34,817
It's a risky game, Percy.
724
00:45:41,163 --> 00:45:43,189
Did you find anything?
725
00:45:43,265 --> 00:45:44,357
There's a hidden file.
726
00:45:44,432 --> 00:45:46,298
Yes! Yes! Yes!
727
00:45:47,468 --> 00:45:48,869
But it's encrypted.
728
00:45:51,872 --> 00:45:56,740
Mr Butler, would you ever market
drugs with adverse reactions?
729
00:45:56,808 --> 00:46:00,608
Of course. Most drugs
cause some adverse reactions.
730
00:46:01,212 --> 00:46:04,272
This is the price we
pay for the greater good.
731
00:46:04,913 --> 00:46:07,280
Caversham is an ethical company.
732
00:46:07,716 --> 00:46:10,184
We've never purposely
obtained a licence for a drug
733
00:46:10,251 --> 00:46:13,482
which we knew to have
severe adverse reactions.
734
00:46:13,553 --> 00:46:18,922
Yes, but isn't it a matter of
record that your anti-arthritis drug
735
00:46:20,558 --> 00:46:25,654
Kalite was shown to damage the
hearts of patients in certain trials?
736
00:46:25,728 --> 00:46:28,562
I wasn't with Caversham
when that drug was launched.
737
00:46:28,631 --> 00:46:30,793
Oh. Well, then step down.
738
00:46:30,866 --> 00:46:34,597
We'll call someone with a
comprehensive view of the company.
739
00:46:40,406 --> 00:46:43,431
It's a simple encryption.
It's just time-consuming.
740
00:46:43,976 --> 00:46:47,138
- Well, how long will it take?
- I'm going to break it.
741
00:46:47,210 --> 00:46:49,111
It may be too late.
742
00:46:49,179 --> 00:46:51,273
Whoever did this
is quite smart, sir.
743
00:46:51,348 --> 00:46:52,815
Perhaps too smart.
744
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:58,919
The Home Secretary, Judge.
745
00:47:03,889 --> 00:47:07,189
- Neil, I've been expecting you.
- Oh, you have?
746
00:47:07,259 --> 00:47:10,160
Yes, you want your
civil servants back.
747
00:47:10,294 --> 00:47:12,933
- Not until I get the truth.
- This is not about my civil servants.
748
00:47:12,996 --> 00:47:14,827
Things have moved on.
749
00:47:15,231 --> 00:47:19,894
There's a tape of you conspiring
with Mrs Mills, among other things,
750
00:47:20,301 --> 00:47:22,395
prior to the start of this.
751
00:47:23,436 --> 00:47:25,233
Obtained how?
752
00:47:25,304 --> 00:47:28,705
I imagine one of Mrs Mills's
many enemies recorded you.
753
00:47:29,174 --> 00:47:31,540
A matter of national security?
754
00:47:32,442 --> 00:47:34,638
She certainly behaves
like an enemy of the state.
755
00:47:34,711 --> 00:47:35,939
And me?
756
00:47:36,847 --> 00:47:40,441
Rather foolish, I think, is
how the world will judge you.
757
00:47:41,049 --> 00:47:42,778
For George's sake,
758
00:47:43,351 --> 00:47:44,875
and Charlie's,
759
00:47:45,652 --> 00:47:47,780
I'd rather you stepped down.
760
00:47:48,354 --> 00:47:51,050
You could not release the tape.
761
00:47:52,457 --> 00:47:53,516
No.
762
00:47:54,725 --> 00:47:56,818
I've waited too long.
763
00:47:58,361 --> 00:48:01,262
Well, thank you for
your consideration, Neil.
764
00:48:01,330 --> 00:48:03,264
He's done it, Judge.
765
00:48:04,633 --> 00:48:07,431
I'll certainly think
about what you said.
766
00:48:13,471 --> 00:48:14,963
You got through the encryption?
767
00:48:15,041 --> 00:48:16,406
Of course.
768
00:48:18,009 --> 00:48:20,875
- Is this what you're looking for?
- I certainly hope it is.
769
00:48:20,944 --> 00:48:22,855
McCARTNEY: Well, only the
person who wrote it would know.
770
00:48:22,879 --> 00:48:24,745
Coop, run and catch
Mrs Mills and Sir Peter,
771
00:48:24,814 --> 00:48:27,907
and I want Dr David Liffe
brought here immediately.
772
00:48:28,115 --> 00:48:29,174
Yes!
773
00:48:37,089 --> 00:48:38,990
Can you come to any
conclusion, Dr Liffe?
774
00:48:39,058 --> 00:48:41,252
What conclusion do you want?
775
00:48:41,325 --> 00:48:47,924
What are Dr Dayvis's conclusions about
the drugs given to soldiers by the Army?
776
00:48:49,532 --> 00:48:51,523
Looking at the raw data...
777
00:48:51,633 --> 00:48:54,431
what he found was that he
couldn't repeat his earlier findings
778
00:48:54,501 --> 00:48:56,197
produced by him and Dr Moon.
779
00:49:02,173 --> 00:49:04,802
Do you recognise these
as Dr Dayvis's papers?
780
00:49:04,875 --> 00:49:06,707
Yes. I know his work.
781
00:49:08,578 --> 00:49:11,911
It often happens that the results of an
exciting discovery can't be replicated.
782
00:49:11,981 --> 00:49:14,212
My Lord, in view of this
incontrovertible evidence,
783
00:49:14,283 --> 00:49:17,650
I ask it be found that Mr Justice
Niven's judgment now be upheld.
784
00:49:22,521 --> 00:49:25,012
No. We will rise for 30 minutes.
785
00:49:25,857 --> 00:49:28,088
All rise.
786
00:49:30,059 --> 00:49:32,494
John, this cannot continue!
787
00:49:32,562 --> 00:49:35,759
The longer it goes on,
the more foolish we appear.
788
00:49:36,398 --> 00:49:37,923
I know, Joe.
789
00:49:38,066 --> 00:49:40,499
You did your best. You tried.
790
00:49:41,234 --> 00:49:42,497
End it!
791
00:49:52,110 --> 00:49:54,135
Are you all right, Judge?
792
00:49:54,977 --> 00:49:57,037
We ran headlong into that.
793
00:49:58,981 --> 00:50:00,676
Well, if you ask me, Judge,
794
00:50:00,749 --> 00:50:04,207
Dr Moon's working for
Caversham and she put it there.
795
00:50:04,884 --> 00:50:06,944
It's too late to find out.
796
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,312
Tomorrow the amendment bill
797
00:50:09,389 --> 00:50:12,688
will pass its last hurdle
through Parliament and...
798
00:50:14,392 --> 00:50:17,850
I'd better have the parties
in the internet case back.
799
00:50:18,061 --> 00:50:19,529
Yes, Judge.
800
00:50:31,904 --> 00:50:35,396
Could someone have planted that
information on Dr Dayvis's computer
801
00:50:35,473 --> 00:50:37,567
about the drugs being harmless?
802
00:50:37,642 --> 00:50:42,010
Um, technically? Yeah, of course,
but that doesn't help the Judge.
803
00:50:42,078 --> 00:50:45,514
- How could they do that?
- Well, it's pretty simple, really.
804
00:50:45,580 --> 00:50:48,913
You just change the file, resave
it and delete all the back-ups.
805
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:51,843
Well, can't you get them back?
806
00:50:51,918 --> 00:50:54,444
That wasn't what
I was trying to do.
807
00:50:57,990 --> 00:50:59,924
I'd need access to
the hard drive again.
808
00:50:59,991 --> 00:51:02,186
You're wanted back in court.
809
00:51:03,660 --> 00:51:06,629
- Isn't this more important?
- Okay.
810
00:51:07,796 --> 00:51:10,095
Are we back on, Mrs Cooper?
811
00:51:10,165 --> 00:51:12,259
Um, he needs the bathroom.
812
00:51:26,277 --> 00:51:28,403
Mr Justice Deed's chambers.
813
00:51:29,044 --> 00:51:30,404
I hate to press
you, Mr McCartney,
814
00:51:30,446 --> 00:51:33,314
but I can't keep these barristers
waiting much longer without an answer.
815
00:51:33,382 --> 00:51:35,508
Sir Joseph wants to know
when we're going back in.
816
00:51:35,615 --> 00:51:37,208
Mr McCartney?
817
00:51:38,518 --> 00:51:40,384
Is that what you need?
818
00:51:40,553 --> 00:51:42,817
I retrieved it from
the hard drive.
819
00:51:42,887 --> 00:51:46,050
It was Dr Dayvis's back-up.
Someone had deleted it.
820
00:51:46,558 --> 00:51:47,889
Coop, get hold of Stephen.
821
00:51:47,958 --> 00:51:50,154
Tell him... No,
I'll do it myself.
822
00:51:50,694 --> 00:51:54,493
Stephen! Go and get Dr Moon
and bring her to court immediately.
823
00:51:54,563 --> 00:51:56,895
- What if she won't come, Judge?
- Arrest her.
824
00:52:11,409 --> 00:52:14,469
Dr Moon, have you had
time to examine the papers?
825
00:52:19,047 --> 00:52:21,812
I have nothing to
say. I can't help you.
826
00:52:23,150 --> 00:52:27,586
Are these papers the findings
you and Dr Dayvis made
827
00:52:28,053 --> 00:52:31,352
regarding the cocktail of
drugs soldiers were given?
828
00:52:41,729 --> 00:52:44,494
- Dr Moon, has anyone threatened you?
- My Lord...
829
00:52:48,868 --> 00:52:51,633
Dr Moon, I advise you to answer.
830
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:54,934
No one's threatened me.
831
00:52:55,006 --> 00:52:57,804
- Are they the papers?
- They appear to be.
832
00:52:58,008 --> 00:52:59,977
Did you not conclude
833
00:53:00,643 --> 00:53:05,478
that the drugs were causing
neural deficit in some soldiers?
834
00:53:05,547 --> 00:53:10,644
And didn't you repeat those
findings again and again and again?
835
00:53:11,184 --> 00:53:14,347
I told you, I have
nothing to say.
836
00:53:17,022 --> 00:53:20,252
Then is this paper
a fabrication?
837
00:53:21,491 --> 00:53:24,427
Hmm? Were you not able
to replicate your findings?
838
00:53:32,866 --> 00:53:34,562
Dr Moon?
839
00:53:35,668 --> 00:53:36,999
Well, Dr Moon?
840
00:53:42,773 --> 00:53:44,001
Yes.
841
00:53:45,576 --> 00:53:47,009
Yes, we did.
842
00:53:47,910 --> 00:53:49,538
Again and again.
843
00:53:50,379 --> 00:53:55,248
Dr Dayvis wasn't satisfied
with replicating it just once, he...
844
00:53:56,750 --> 00:53:58,810
did it again and again.
845
00:54:00,820 --> 00:54:06,190
The vaccination regime the Government
and the pharmaceutical company
846
00:54:06,257 --> 00:54:10,852
are proposing to give the whole
country in the event of a bio-terror attack
847
00:54:11,827 --> 00:54:15,786
would cause neural deficit in
two to three persons per thousand.
848
00:54:16,865 --> 00:54:18,855
The damage to children
would be much higher.
849
00:54:18,932 --> 00:54:21,527
Is this what happened
to Brian Meam?
850
00:54:21,601 --> 00:54:23,967
I never examined Mr Meam but...
851
00:54:24,803 --> 00:54:26,704
we did see this in
852
00:54:27,405 --> 00:54:29,600
several dozen other soldiers.
853
00:54:30,541 --> 00:54:31,906
Thank you.
854
00:54:33,543 --> 00:54:38,070
They, um, they knew this would happen
after the very first soldiers got ill.
855
00:54:39,347 --> 00:54:40,940
Caversham knew?
856
00:54:42,749 --> 00:54:44,513
And the Government.
857
00:54:45,151 --> 00:54:48,484
That was what Dr Dayvis's
big fight with them was about.
858
00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:50,187
I believe
859
00:54:51,323 --> 00:54:53,154
that was why he died.
860
00:54:54,057 --> 00:54:56,117
We may have only won the battle.
861
00:54:56,192 --> 00:54:59,127
Well, if the MPs have got the
information, they could stop the bill.
862
00:54:59,194 --> 00:55:00,627
I wonder.
863
00:55:01,330 --> 00:55:04,127
- What's happening?
- He hasn't stopped all day.
864
00:55:04,197 --> 00:55:06,958
- Have you sent the e-mails?
- You should rest, Ian. You're exhausted.
865
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,434
They've gone, sir.
866
00:55:08,501 --> 00:55:09,991
I alerted all the MPs
867
00:55:10,069 --> 00:55:12,936
and every member of the House
of Lords and all the news desks.
868
00:55:13,004 --> 00:55:16,031
The information was highlighted
with your comments on the bill.
869
00:55:16,106 --> 00:55:18,871
- Let's hope they read them.
- Please, God.
870
00:55:19,575 --> 00:55:20,575
McCARTNEY: Amen.
871
00:55:21,509 --> 00:55:25,674
You know, Neil will release
the recording unless you resign.
872
00:55:25,747 --> 00:55:27,942
Obtaining it may have
been an offence, George.
873
00:55:28,015 --> 00:55:30,279
You can't rely on the
law to protect you, John.
874
00:55:30,350 --> 00:55:32,284
Yeah, I told him
I'd think about it.
875
00:55:32,351 --> 00:55:34,786
- That's all you'll do.
- Well, you know me, George.
876
00:55:34,853 --> 00:55:37,651
I always expect the best of
everybody. Are you going my way?
877
00:55:37,722 --> 00:55:39,553
I don't think so.
878
00:55:39,891 --> 00:55:42,620
Might end up on
someone's recording!
879
00:55:44,727 --> 00:55:47,628
Find out who put the
bug in Jo Mills's flat.
880
00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:50,690
Well, I can try, Judge.
881
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:55,995
That amendment bill
should have been a formality.
882
00:55:56,068 --> 00:55:57,899
Not after Deed's e-mail.
883
00:55:57,969 --> 00:56:00,233
Isn't that beyond the
bounds of his duty as a judge?
884
00:56:00,304 --> 00:56:01,670
Oh, it is.
885
00:56:02,373 --> 00:56:04,807
Then release the tape of
him having sex with Mrs Mills.
886
00:56:04,874 --> 00:56:06,342
We'll put a stop
to this case yet.
887
00:56:06,409 --> 00:56:09,936
If we do, Home Secretary,
it could come back to bite us.
888
00:56:10,411 --> 00:56:13,404
You personally steered the Civil
Contingencies amendment bill
889
00:56:13,481 --> 00:56:15,540
to the floor of the House.
890
00:56:20,785 --> 00:56:24,277
The Legal Services
Commission is right in its approach
891
00:56:24,388 --> 00:56:26,550
not to fund every case,
892
00:56:27,124 --> 00:56:30,582
having a duty of prudence
with the taxpayers' money.
893
00:56:31,660 --> 00:56:35,961
In the case of Brian Meam, its
exercise of discretion was contestable.
894
00:56:36,997 --> 00:56:41,558
We've carefully examined the judicial
review conducted by Mr Justice Niven
895
00:56:42,100 --> 00:56:45,092
and find it was open
to legitimate objection.
896
00:56:46,405 --> 00:56:50,534
Not on the basis that there
was any appearance of bias,
897
00:56:51,207 --> 00:56:53,573
rather because a keystone
of his judgment had,
898
00:56:53,642 --> 00:56:56,635
unbeknown to
him, been falsified.
899
00:56:57,845 --> 00:56:59,746
Our view, therefore,
900
00:57:00,148 --> 00:57:04,607
is that the Legal Services Commission
should look again at this matter
901
00:57:05,084 --> 00:57:11,921
with a view to restoring the
funding for this important case.
902
00:57:22,330 --> 00:57:24,094
That's Major Colby.
903
00:57:27,968 --> 00:57:30,094
With Superintendent Gaghan.
904
00:57:34,872 --> 00:57:38,467
Any luck with identifying his
fingerprints yet, Superintendent?
905
00:57:39,208 --> 00:57:41,768
You might try asking
these police officers.
906
00:57:42,877 --> 00:57:47,109
They're here to interview you
both about the death of Dr Hiaasen.
907
00:57:47,613 --> 00:57:49,582
And get those bugs
out of Jo Mills's flat
908
00:57:49,649 --> 00:57:52,016
or I promise you
you will go to prison.
909
00:58:13,233 --> 00:58:15,894
You're taking a big
risk coming here.
910
00:58:16,168 --> 00:58:19,102
Yes, the man in the
gabardine suit really is a spy.
911
00:58:23,039 --> 00:58:24,974
Do you want to come up?
912
00:58:26,475 --> 00:58:29,638
Well, you never know who might
be listening. We could go to a hotel.
913
00:58:29,710 --> 00:58:31,076
What, now?
914
00:58:31,746 --> 00:58:33,179
To have tea.
915
00:58:33,547 --> 00:58:36,015
It would have to
be very good tea.
916
00:58:37,017 --> 00:58:38,075
Is your car bugged?
917
00:58:38,717 --> 00:58:41,152
Let's notget too paranoid.
74301
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