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He just had this quality
that I can't even put my finger on...
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...but you just had to watch him.
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He was truly a transformational actor.
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He could do anything.
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He was such a special human being...
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...and a uniquely talented actor.
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He's just brilliant in all these five films
we were talking about.
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He's just terrifically brilliant in every one.
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Excuse me. Can I ask you a question?
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Do you know who this guy is? Nope.
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Nope.
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Something from The Godfather?
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He was the oldest one.
He was a little slow.
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- The son that betrayed? Yes?
- Yes.
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Did he play Fredo?
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Yeah. Frito.
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Fredo.
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- Fredo.
- Fredo.
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Fredo. Do you know
what the actor's name is?
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His name was Fredo.
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Shoot. Wait a minute.
I'm going to get it.
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- I loved this guy too.
- What was his name? He was very good.
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Fredo. I know it was you, Fredo.
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I know it was you, Fredo.
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You broke my heart.
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You don't come to Las Vegas
and talk to a man like Moe Greene like that!
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Did you say," Either we get away clean
or we kill ourselves"?
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What the hell is that supposed to mean?
"This is this."
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I'm your older brother, Mike,
and I was stepped over!
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There was great excitement
about The Godfather.
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My older brother saw it first.
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He says,"Me"...
Even though he was older than me.
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He says,"I'm like the youngest one."
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He says," I'd be more of a Michael,
you know, or maybe Sonny.
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But you, you know, you'd be Fredo."
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And he meant it like as an insult,
you know...
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...and I understood what he was saying.
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And I saw the movie,
and I was, like,"Oh, okay. That guy."
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But now I'm, like," Yeah, that guy!
I want to be that guy."
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- How are you, Fredo?
- How you doin'?
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Fredo? My brother Fredo,
this is Kay Adams.
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- Hi.
- How you doing?
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- This is my brother Mike.
- Are you having a good time?
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Yeah. Yeah.
This is your friend, huh?
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Francis and I were in New York
casting The Godfather.
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And we were stuck on the Fredo character.
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Every young actor did a test for every part.
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Richard Dreyfuss
was an old friend of mine...
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...and he was in a play off Broadway
in New York at that time called Line.
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And he called me up and asked
if I would come see him in the play.
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I didn't set anything up.
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I didn't say,"I'm gonna getJohn."
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I wanted him to see the show.
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Richard, of course, was terrific,
but then there was this other guy in it...
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...that just caught my attention.
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They still haven't done anything
about that Peeping Tom next door.
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You're telling me there's a peeper
in one of my buildings?
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So, then there was this other guy in it
that just caught my attention.
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In the Playbill,
you see his name, Cazale, Cazale...
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...so he must be Italian-American.
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And he was just wonderful.
He was like...
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Instantly, I said,"That's Fredo."
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Over and done.
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I thought he was perfect for the part.
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He had the warmth and the gentleness.
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He had all the qualities
that I had hoped for in Fredo...
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...and I think there was no hesitation
to cast him.
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Aspetta, Fredo.
I'm gonna buy some fruit.
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Okay, Pop.
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Until that moment in front of the car...
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...you don't noticeJohn's eyes at all.
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At first, he's in the background.
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He's on the side.
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You don't see his eyes before that.
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And then you never see anything but his eyes.
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And it's true, he just kind of knew.
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"My character's entrance is here."
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You could look at that one moment...
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...and get him.
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He personifies this fearful...
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...vulnerable little boy
who wanted his daddy.
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And he drops the gun.
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He's so fragile.
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It's unbelievable. I mean, I could watch
that movie over and over and over again.
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Look who he was standing next to...
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Brando, Pacino, Duvall.
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And he stood toe to toe with those guys...
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...and brought such heart.
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Lfirst metJohn when I was a teenager.
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We were messengers
at Standard Oil together.
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And I liked the guy
from the moment I saw him.
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I just liked him,
and so we would occasionally talk.
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And I had my little Chekhov book at the time.
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We both found out we were actors.
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And then years passed...
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...and I was doing a play
called The Indian Wants the Bronx.
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We were going up to Provincetown
to play it.
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And they said," We got this guy,
he's playing the Indian."
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Now, I remember in passing,
going up the stairs...
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'cause we all had rooms in this house...
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...somebody peeked out of the door.
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He said,"This guy's name is John Cazale."
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I never knew his name,
and I didn't remember his name.
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And so there was John.
He peeked his head out of the door.
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I said,"You!"
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I said,"You again. I know you."
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And we proceeded to work together.
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John won the OBI E. I won the OBI E.
The play won the OBI E.
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And it became that long-time relationship.
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Mike, you don't come to Las Vegas
and talk to a man like Moe Green like that!
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Fredo.
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You're my older brother, and I love you.
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But don't ever take sides
with anyone against the family again.
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By the way, the subtlety in his acting...
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was so amazing...
the emotional depth of it.
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When Al arrives in Las Vegas,
and John was already there...
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...and he's got the band set up
and the hookers.
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The band is playing.
He does this kind of thing.
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And it's just so brilliant, that dance.
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- Welcome to Las Vegas.
- It's all for you. It was all his idea, right?
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And Al says,"Get rid of them."
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Get rid of them, Fredo.
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Hey, Mike.
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Fredo, I'm here on business.
I leave tomorrow.
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Now get rid of them.
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I'm tired.
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And the look on his face was so amazing...
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...the emotional depth of it.
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A whole kind of person became present...
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...in that one reaction
to Al ordering him about like that.
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Hey, come on! Scram!
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That's whereJohn fit in so miraculously.
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Because all of that vulnerability,
all of that pain...
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...that was in John as a man...
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...is suddenly connecting with us
on a level that we never thought possible.
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In the late '50s,
we both were in acting class together...
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...studying with Peter Kass.
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Peter Kass was quick to see
what you might be ashamed of...
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...in yourself and in your background...
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...and to point out that
this was part of who you were...
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...and that you needed every part of yourself.
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The idea of only presenting yourself
in the best light...
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was anathema to him.
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If you look atJohn's work,
you see how willingly...
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...he went to the dark side...
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...and how capable he was of doing that.
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John felt very strongly...
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...that finding the character,
you had to find the pain first...
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where that character was in pain,
where he hurt.
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He felt that
that was the major motivation...
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...and that would translate
into positive choices as an actor.
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I think the artist is born
in the suffering child.
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And there are all kinds of reasons
for children to suffer.
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And I don't know exactly
what it was that was John's reason...
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...but I could venture a guess certainly.
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It was probably
a strong, overbearing father...
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...that was difficult.
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He was able to tackle anything
that came up in the first Godfather.
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Then I wrote a role for him
in The Conversation.
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He's a nice guy, for a cop.
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I knew what was just
the character of an assistant...
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would suddenly come to life
as a real character.
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The Conversation was a cult film.
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People already had it on
as their favorite film of all time...
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...especially people who wanted to show...
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...that they were impervious
to the mass tastes.
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You know, like," It's not The Godfather
that I love the most. It's..."
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John Cazale elevated
the people around him.
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He knew that part of his job...
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was not only to play
his own characters with integrity...
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...but to play them in such a way...
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...that made the other characters credible.
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So it's no accident...
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...that so many actors gave
such great performances in his company.
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I would bet money that all the actors that
worked with him were inspired by what he did.
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To take it that much further,
to be that much more creative...
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...or risky or personal.
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Because he seemed to be uncomfortably
vulnerable in everything he did...
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...and that always makes people go,
"I think I gotta work a little harder.
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I think I better rethink what I'm doing here
'cause this guy is really going for it."
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He was an extremely intense actor...
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...and was highly concentrated...
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...and kind of single-minded...
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...about what he had set himself to do.
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I recall whereJohn
was sitting at this worktable...
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...and I had criticized him for something.
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We'd have a much better track here
if you'd paid more attention to the recording...
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...and less to what they were talking about.
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And Francis said...
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"Maybe just a little more, Gene."
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And then John pushed me...
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...and managed to make
all those pieces come together.
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- Jesus!
- Don't say that.
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For Christ's sakes...
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Stan, don't say that again, please.
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Don't use that word in vain.
It bothers me.
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No one could have that look of hurt
on his face better than him.
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Or guilt.
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There's the moment
in The Conversation...
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where Gene Hackman
goes to the convention.
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Alan Garfield says,
"Stan, just man the booth."
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And there comes John Cazale
who works for Gene Hackman...
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who's now moonlighting.
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Stanley, do me a favor, huh?
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Come on. Mind the booth, all right?
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Come on. That's what I pay you for.
Just a couple of minutes.
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- I just want to get a drink. All right?
- Hi, Harry.
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And the look on his face
when he sees Gene Hackman...
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...just sort of, you know...
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"Yeah, I'm doing this. So?" You know?
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But also hurt.
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I mean, he's embarrassed,
but he's also hurt...
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...that he's forced to do this.
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He was an actor that had the courage
to stay with what he had set out to do.
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John was tough-minded.
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This was a very unique actor.
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You know, when I was your age...
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I went out fishing with all my brothers...
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...and my father, everybody...
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...and I was the only one that caught a fish.
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Nobody else could catch one except me.
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You know how I did it?
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Every time I put the line in the water,
I said a Hail Mary.
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And every time I said a Hail Mary,
I caught a fish.
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Something you might not pick up right away
in Godfather I, but in Godfather Il...
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...he plays these characters
that you shouldn't like...
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...but you like him,
you really care about him.
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He betrays his brother...
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...and you end up not liking Michael
in Godfather II more than Fredo.
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Can't you forgive Fredo?
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He's so sweet and helpless
without you.
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Because Michael becomes so cold
in Godfather II...
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...and Fredo becomes all the more human.
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He shows you a whole other side
of this character.
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That's a brilliant performance.
It really is.
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Sometimes I think I should have married
a woman like you did.
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Like Kay.
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Kids.
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Have a family.
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Once in my life...
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...be more like Pop.
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It's not easy to be his son, Fredo.
243
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It's not easy.
244
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You know, Mama used to tease me.
245
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She'd say," You don't belong to me.
You were left on the doorstep by gypsies."
246
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Sometimes I think it's true.
247
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You're no gypsy, Fredo.
248
00:15:11,443 --> 00:15:13,411
Mikey...
249
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I was mad at you.
250
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Why didn't we spend time like this before?
251
00:15:26,825 --> 00:15:31,728
The great thing about Cazale is he never,
ever loses sight of who that character is.
252
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You can see why everyone
treated him terribly.
253
00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,163
You can see his weakness.
254
00:15:36,235 --> 00:15:38,260
You can see his self-loathing,
his resentment...
255
00:15:38,337 --> 00:15:40,362
...his disappointment in himself.
256
00:15:40,439 --> 00:15:42,066
He understands him from the inside.
257
00:15:42,141 --> 00:15:45,542
Fredo, come with me.
It's the only way out of here tonight.
258
00:15:46,378 --> 00:15:48,073
Roth is dead. Fredo.
259
00:15:48,347 --> 00:15:50,907
He became
whoever it was he was playing...
260
00:15:50,983 --> 00:15:53,213
...and he did that by asking questions...
261
00:15:53,285 --> 00:15:56,721
'cause he taught me about asking questions
and not having to answer them.
262
00:15:56,789 --> 00:15:58,188
That's the beauty.
263
00:15:58,257 --> 00:16:01,420
What's wonderful about it
is you open the door to things.
264
00:16:01,493 --> 00:16:04,257
Directors used to call him"20 Questions."
265
00:16:04,330 --> 00:16:07,629
He was never, never, never satisfied...
266
00:16:07,700 --> 00:16:10,191
with just the outlines of a character...
267
00:16:10,269 --> 00:16:14,103
...or just filling out the expected thing.
268
00:16:14,173 --> 00:16:16,971
He got so much
from the delving into things.
269
00:16:17,042 --> 00:16:18,532
It was a lesson in itself.
270
00:16:18,610 --> 00:16:22,273
I think I learned more about acting
from John than anybody.
271
00:16:29,722 --> 00:16:31,713
I haven't got a lot to say, Mike.
272
00:16:31,790 --> 00:16:35,351
In that great scene with Michael,
you just really felt for him.
273
00:16:35,427 --> 00:16:39,056
You wanted him to be the guy
who was rightfully next in line.
274
00:16:39,131 --> 00:16:41,895
And when he's passed over,
it's really heartbreaking.
275
00:16:41,967 --> 00:16:44,527
And the way Francis staged it,
the way Coppola staged it...
276
00:16:44,603 --> 00:16:47,231
...it's just phenomenal
and a lesson to every director.
277
00:16:47,306 --> 00:16:49,831
I remember when we shot that scene...
278
00:16:49,908 --> 00:16:54,607
...and thinking that we
had shot something really...
279
00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:56,978
...that had come to life
and was extraordinary.
280
00:16:57,049 --> 00:17:01,110
And very definitely
the way Cazale used the chair...
281
00:17:01,186 --> 00:17:03,916
...because that chair was there,
and certainly you could slump in it...
282
00:17:03,989 --> 00:17:07,288
...but somehow he used it...
283
00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,886
...to express what was the point...
284
00:17:10,963 --> 00:17:15,457
...in a way that I had never anticipated.
285
00:17:16,869 --> 00:17:19,429
I've always taken care of you, Fredo.
286
00:17:19,505 --> 00:17:21,439
Taken care of me?
287
00:17:22,574 --> 00:17:25,134
You're my kid brother,
and you take care of me?
288
00:17:26,378 --> 00:17:30,041
Did you ever think about that?
Did you ever once think about that?
289
00:17:31,550 --> 00:17:34,713
Send Fredo off to do this.
Send Fredo off to do that.
290
00:17:36,388 --> 00:17:40,722
Let Fredo take care of some
Mickey Mouse nightclub somewhere.
291
00:17:40,793 --> 00:17:43,785
Send Fredo to pick somebody up
at the airport.
292
00:17:43,862 --> 00:17:46,956
I'm your older brother, Mike,
and I was stepped over!
293
00:17:47,032 --> 00:17:50,263
- That's the way Pop wanted it.
- It ain't the way I wanted it!
294
00:17:52,071 --> 00:17:54,631
I can handle things! I'm smart!
295
00:17:54,706 --> 00:17:58,142
Not like everybody says!
Like dumb!
296
00:17:58,210 --> 00:18:00,872
I'm smart, and I want respect!
297
00:18:00,946 --> 00:18:02,743
He's such an imp.
298
00:18:02,815 --> 00:18:04,806
You know, he's so irresponsible...
299
00:18:04,883 --> 00:18:07,010
...and yet he so desperately...
so anxious...
300
00:18:07,086 --> 00:18:10,317
...to get his piece of the pie
and to be respected.
301
00:18:10,389 --> 00:18:13,187
Heartbreaking scene.
And what are we talking about?
302
00:18:13,258 --> 00:18:17,558
We're talking about a totally antisocial,
probably terrible man.
303
00:18:17,629 --> 00:18:20,894
And Cazale brok@ ýïðX @ A304
00:18:22,768 --> 00:18:26,397
He really let himself out there.
He's really vulnerable.
305
00:18:26,472 --> 00:18:28,531
You know, it's not easy to play weak.
306
00:18:28,607 --> 00:18:31,906
You know, if you get
the script for The Godfather...
307
00:18:31,977 --> 00:18:35,936
...every young actor's gonna want
to play Sonny or Michael.
308
00:18:36,014 --> 00:18:38,881
You know, they're not gonna
want to play Fredo.
309
00:18:38,951 --> 00:18:41,920
You want to be strong,
and you want to be...
310
00:18:41,987 --> 00:18:44,455
So you want to say,
"Look how talented I am.
311
00:18:44,523 --> 00:18:46,514
I'm strong. I've got balls."
312
00:18:46,592 --> 00:18:51,552
Weakness is something that a lot of actors,
I think, are afraid to play.
313
00:18:51,630 --> 00:18:55,862
They'll play weak men, but they'll do it
in a really sort of showboaty way...
314
00:18:55,934 --> 00:18:59,165
...to let you know that they're not weak,
that it's a performance.
315
00:18:59,238 --> 00:19:02,639
And Cazale was just so disinclined
to do that.
316
00:19:47,252 --> 00:19:49,186
He was really fun to work with.
317
00:19:49,254 --> 00:19:51,814
You really showed up early
when he was involved.
318
00:19:51,890 --> 00:19:54,484
His approach was an artist's approach...
319
00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,358
...his way of living
was an artist's way of living.
320
00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,964
John was an actor,
and that's what he was gonna do...
321
00:20:04,036 --> 00:20:05,970
...and nothing was gonna stop that.
322
00:20:06,038 --> 00:20:09,098
Career or business or anything.
That was beside the...
323
00:20:09,174 --> 00:20:11,165
It didn't matter really.
324
00:20:11,243 --> 00:20:14,508
What mattered
was the plank and the passion.
325
00:20:14,580 --> 00:20:18,107
The plank being the stage,
and the passion...That's what he had.
326
00:20:24,756 --> 00:20:28,715
Just from the moment you see him
on screen in Dog Day Afternoon...
327
00:20:29,962 --> 00:20:33,864
- He's so strange looking.
- You the manager?
328
00:20:33,932 --> 00:20:38,995
You know, really intense face
and then the receding hairline...
329
00:20:39,071 --> 00:20:42,063
...and the huge forehead
and then the long hair.
330
00:20:43,508 --> 00:20:46,204
I had just never seen a character
like that on film before.
331
00:20:47,312 --> 00:20:49,303
Just keep talking
like nothing was wrong.
332
00:20:50,015 --> 00:20:55,009
I remember we were casting,
and Sidney Lumet wanted a 19-year-old boy.
333
00:20:56,655 --> 00:20:59,522
He thought that would be very important,
and he was sort of right.
334
00:20:59,591 --> 00:21:01,991
I'd been reading a lot of people for it...
335
00:21:02,060 --> 00:21:06,087
...and Al kept asking me to read John.
336
00:21:06,164 --> 00:21:08,792
So, of course, Sidney...
337
00:21:08,867 --> 00:21:11,131
"John. That's not what I'm thinking.
John Cazale.
338
00:21:11,203 --> 00:21:13,262
No, no. The guy who did Fredo, no."
339
00:21:13,338 --> 00:21:16,034
Finally, because I've got such respect
for Al, John came in.
340
00:21:16,108 --> 00:21:19,703
I was stunned.
He could not have looked wronger.
341
00:21:19,778 --> 00:21:21,746
And then he read...
342
00:21:22,814 --> 00:21:26,113
...and it was just
the most extraordinary connection.
343
00:21:26,184 --> 00:21:28,175
I ain't going back to that prison, Sonny.
344
00:21:29,521 --> 00:21:32,046
I've got the image of him in my mind.
345
00:21:32,124 --> 00:21:34,115
That image of that character.
Oh, man.
346
00:21:34,926 --> 00:21:38,089
Everything he did...
the hair, the movement.
347
00:21:38,163 --> 00:21:40,324
You, come with me. Watch him.
348
00:21:41,333 --> 00:21:42,527
Sit down!
349
00:21:42,601 --> 00:21:44,569
The intensity...
350
00:21:44,636 --> 00:21:46,126
Wow.
351
00:21:46,204 --> 00:21:49,367
You know, he's very intense, but nervous.
352
00:21:49,441 --> 00:21:51,773
You felt at any time
that he could really lose it.
353
00:21:51,843 --> 00:21:54,368
- Stay right there!
- Leave her alone! Please, don't!
354
00:21:54,446 --> 00:21:56,573
Cazale is scary in that movie.
355
00:21:56,648 --> 00:22:00,982
He completely erases the dynamic that he had
with Pacino in the Godfather movies.
356
00:22:01,053 --> 00:22:03,886
Hey, you! Manager! Fucker!
Don't get ideas.
357
00:22:03,955 --> 00:22:05,889
I bark, that man there...See him?
He bites.
358
00:22:05,957 --> 00:22:08,721
You don't ever really believe
when you're watching the movie...
359
00:22:08,794 --> 00:22:10,785
...that Pacino is gonna kill someone.
360
00:22:10,862 --> 00:22:12,989
Cazale, you think, might.
361
00:22:13,065 --> 00:22:15,727
There's a way out of this.
I'm telling you, there's a way out of this.
362
00:22:15,801 --> 00:22:18,065
- Were you serious about what you said?
- About what?
363
00:22:19,271 --> 00:22:21,330
About throwing...
364
00:22:24,343 --> 00:22:26,743
About throwing those bodies out the door.
365
00:22:29,648 --> 00:22:32,116
That's what I want him to think.
366
00:22:32,184 --> 00:22:34,482
I wanna know what you think.
367
00:22:38,090 --> 00:22:41,491
'Cause I'll tell you right now,
I'm ready to do it.
368
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,050
I'll tell you something.
369
00:22:43,128 --> 00:22:46,359
When he says that line,
you believe he's ready to kill somebody...
370
00:22:46,431 --> 00:22:48,365
...just out of fear, you know.
371
00:22:48,433 --> 00:22:53,029
I think that intensity level's in his eyes
throughout the entire film.
372
00:22:53,105 --> 00:22:55,869
He provides that.
It's right there in those fuckin' eyes.
373
00:22:55,941 --> 00:22:58,603
It's, like, they cut to him a lot
in that movie...
374
00:22:58,677 --> 00:23:02,169
...and it's 'cause he's got the stakes...
375
00:23:02,247 --> 00:23:05,148
...and Lumet needs that
to get the audience revved up.
376
00:23:05,217 --> 00:23:07,879
There's just something in that face...
377
00:23:07,953 --> 00:23:11,855
...that takes you into an area...
378
00:23:11,923 --> 00:23:15,086
...that's very dark, personally dark...
379
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,287
...and heartbroken.
380
00:23:17,362 --> 00:23:21,799
There isn't a sadder character
than Sal in Dog Day Afternoon.
381
00:23:21,867 --> 00:23:23,528
And yet he's hilarious.
382
00:23:23,602 --> 00:23:25,763
Sal. Sal!
383
00:23:25,837 --> 00:23:27,168
- What?
- Where are you?
384
00:23:27,239 --> 00:23:29,639
And it's not about funny lines at all.
385
00:23:29,708 --> 00:23:34,839
It's just from the haircut to...
Everything about it is comic.
386
00:23:36,047 --> 00:23:38,777
Now, you gotta understand somethin'.
387
00:23:38,850 --> 00:23:41,284
If we leave the country,
there's no comin' back here.
388
00:23:41,353 --> 00:23:44,516
One of the funniest moments in the movie
was completely unexpected...
389
00:23:44,589 --> 00:23:46,079
was an improvised moment.
390
00:23:46,158 --> 00:23:48,991
Is there any special country
you want to go to?
391
00:23:52,464 --> 00:23:53,954
Wyoming.
392
00:23:56,001 --> 00:23:58,492
No, Wyoming, that's not a country.
393
00:23:59,838 --> 00:24:01,772
That's all right.
I'm gonna take care of it.
394
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,205
I don't know where that came from.
395
00:24:03,275 --> 00:24:07,211
I know that the take was almost ruined
because I started to laugh.
396
00:24:07,279 --> 00:24:09,611
But I, thank God,
didn't wreck the soundtrack.
397
00:24:09,681 --> 00:24:11,615
And Al almost broke up.
398
00:24:11,683 --> 00:24:15,346
You know, that's a laugh
if you want to get a laugh there.
399
00:24:16,455 --> 00:24:19,117
He would no more go for that, you know.
400
00:24:19,191 --> 00:24:22,160
And so because of that, instead...
401
00:24:22,227 --> 00:24:26,288
...he goes past the stage of
"Ha-ha! Wyoming. That's not a country."
402
00:24:26,364 --> 00:24:28,298
He goes past that...
403
00:24:28,366 --> 00:24:30,596
...and you are forced...
404
00:24:30,669 --> 00:24:34,127
...into this sort of anxiety...
405
00:24:34,206 --> 00:24:36,265
...and sorrow for the guy.
406
00:24:36,341 --> 00:24:40,334
Even in the funniest characters
that he played...
407
00:24:40,412 --> 00:24:44,974
...there was always something tragic in it.
408
00:24:46,017 --> 00:24:49,248
And even in the most tragic characters...
409
00:24:49,321 --> 00:24:51,414
...there was always something very funny.
410
00:24:51,490 --> 00:24:53,856
The character he's creating, I believe...
411
00:24:53,925 --> 00:24:56,826
...is not necessarily something...
412
00:24:56,895 --> 00:25:00,058
...that the director or the writer envisioned.
413
00:25:00,131 --> 00:25:02,224
I think what he brought to it ultimately...
414
00:25:02,300 --> 00:25:05,599
was something that surprised the hell
out of everyone on the day it happened.
415
00:25:05,670 --> 00:25:09,128
Yeah, you'd start a scene,
and it would never start.
416
00:25:09,207 --> 00:25:10,868
That was the beauty of it.
417
00:25:10,942 --> 00:25:13,274
You realized, don't start,
there's no such thing.
418
00:25:13,345 --> 00:25:16,178
It just is a continuum.
Everything is a continuum.
419
00:25:16,248 --> 00:25:18,944
And so he would just say...
420
00:25:20,318 --> 00:25:23,981
"What'd you do today, Al?"
After I just said a line to him.
421
00:25:24,055 --> 00:25:28,151
"You seem like you...
You said you were gonna go to so-and-so..."
422
00:25:28,226 --> 00:25:31,821
And he would get you there,
and you would just do this dance...
423
00:25:31,897 --> 00:25:33,831
...until you found your way...
424
00:25:33,899 --> 00:25:36,766
...and then the improvisations would start.
425
00:25:36,835 --> 00:25:39,804
And then the improvisations would go,
and when they started...
426
00:25:39,871 --> 00:25:43,238
...to connect to what the reality
of the scene was...
427
00:25:43,308 --> 00:25:45,037
...he'd start the scene.
428
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:48,739
God, it was just glorious.
It was glorious.
429
00:25:48,813 --> 00:25:52,044
I've seen a ton of actors around John...
430
00:25:52,117 --> 00:25:54,244
...just give it a couple of minutes...
431
00:25:54,319 --> 00:25:56,879
...and you just see them go,
"Holy shit. What's that?
432
00:25:56,955 --> 00:25:58,889
What's he doing? How does he do that?"
433
00:25:58,957 --> 00:26:01,187
- No!
- What's the matter with you?
434
00:26:01,259 --> 00:26:03,193
You made me a promise, didn't you?
435
00:26:03,261 --> 00:26:05,195
- Did you promise me something?
- Yeah.
436
00:26:05,263 --> 00:26:08,357
Did you say," Either we get away clean
or we kill ourselves"?
437
00:26:08,433 --> 00:26:11,994
- Did you say that? Did you or not?
- I'm not talking about that.
438
00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:13,731
Do you believe in keeping your promises?
439
00:26:13,805 --> 00:26:15,067
- Yeah.
- Then does it still go?
440
00:26:15,140 --> 00:26:17,438
- Yes.
- What the fuck are you talkin' about?
441
00:26:17,509 --> 00:26:20,501
Other actors either rose
to the occasion or they didn't.
442
00:26:20,579 --> 00:26:22,240
Pacino definitely did.
443
00:26:22,314 --> 00:26:25,078
I think Al is one of the great actors
of my generation...
444
00:26:25,150 --> 00:26:27,516
...and John gets a big assist.
445
00:26:27,586 --> 00:26:29,884
He constantly made him
better and better.
446
00:26:29,955 --> 00:26:34,255
He was inspiring.
You just got inspired by it.
447
00:26:34,326 --> 00:26:36,794
So you did it.
He made you better.
448
00:26:41,032 --> 00:26:44,092
You know, John, in his short life...
449
00:26:44,169 --> 00:26:47,400
...had some of the most beautiful women
as girlfriends...
450
00:26:47,472 --> 00:26:49,201
...on the face of the planet.
451
00:26:49,274 --> 00:26:52,903
He always seemed to have nice girlfriends.
That's a good credit for him.
452
00:26:52,978 --> 00:26:55,037
And he wasn't...
453
00:26:55,113 --> 00:26:57,741
He looked like Saint Francis of Assisi.
454
00:26:57,816 --> 00:27:01,115
He wasn't exactly a lady-killer...
455
00:27:01,186 --> 00:27:03,746
...but there was something about him.
456
00:27:03,822 --> 00:27:07,053
We all tried to study it and imitate it...
457
00:27:07,125 --> 00:27:09,719
...but we could never really catch on.
458
00:27:09,794 --> 00:27:12,957
I rememberJohn telling me once,
when I had been away...
459
00:27:13,031 --> 00:27:17,468
This is after we had made Dog Day together
and Godfather.
460
00:27:17,535 --> 00:27:19,526
Coming to Manhattan and telling me...
461
00:27:19,604 --> 00:27:21,196
"Oh, man.
462
00:27:21,272 --> 00:27:26,073
I have met the greatest actress
in the history of the world."
463
00:27:26,144 --> 00:27:28,237
You know, I said,"Really?"
464
00:27:28,313 --> 00:27:33,307
He said," Yeah, she's with me in the park
in Measure for Measure."
465
00:27:33,385 --> 00:27:37,481
I said,"Really?" I thought,
well, this is a guy...He's in love.
466
00:27:39,424 --> 00:27:42,587
How good can she be?
She can't be what he's saying.
467
00:27:42,661 --> 00:27:45,357
And sure enough,
it was Meryl Streep, so he was right.
468
00:27:48,533 --> 00:27:50,194
You could see the sparks.
469
00:27:50,268 --> 00:27:53,203
You can tell those two were attracted
to each other if you look...
470
00:27:53,271 --> 00:27:55,205
what's going on that stage.
471
00:27:55,273 --> 00:27:58,174
I was very...
It was like an aura around them.
472
00:27:58,243 --> 00:28:00,177
It was sexy.
473
00:28:02,547 --> 00:28:06,483
He wasn't like anybody else.
He wasn't like anybody I'd ever met.
474
00:28:06,551 --> 00:28:08,815
It was the specificity of him...
475
00:28:08,887 --> 00:28:13,517
...and his sort of humanity...
476
00:28:13,591 --> 00:28:17,049
...and his curiosity about people...
477
00:28:17,128 --> 00:28:19,255
...his compassion.
478
00:28:19,330 --> 00:28:21,355
Oh, my God.
He fell madly in love with Meryl.
479
00:28:21,433 --> 00:28:24,994
He was besotted with her.
480
00:28:26,504 --> 00:28:30,964
I mean, she was just mad for him,
and he was mad for her.
481
00:28:31,042 --> 00:28:34,136
They had found each other.
482
00:28:36,915 --> 00:28:39,247
He was a sensualist too...
you know, John.
483
00:28:39,317 --> 00:28:40,807
Very much so.
484
00:28:40,885 --> 00:28:44,480
You eat a meal with him,
I mean, you'd be done, finished...
485
00:28:44,556 --> 00:28:48,048
washed and in bed
before he got halfway through his meal.
486
00:28:48,126 --> 00:28:50,788
He took his time with stuff...
487
00:28:50,862 --> 00:28:53,160
...and it sometimes drove people nuts.
488
00:28:53,231 --> 00:28:55,222
Then the cigar would come out.
489
00:28:56,434 --> 00:28:59,164
He'd light it, look at it, taste it...
490
00:28:59,237 --> 00:29:00,898
...then finally smoke it.
491
00:29:00,972 --> 00:29:06,274
It took him a real long time
to leave the house, to lock the car.
492
00:29:06,344 --> 00:29:09,313
We had just gotten a big color television.
It was a big event.
493
00:29:09,380 --> 00:29:12,042
And John said," I'm gonna get
the color right for you."
494
00:29:12,117 --> 00:29:14,108
And he came over about 9:00.
495
00:29:14,185 --> 00:29:18,417
About 1:00 in the morning,
John was still adjusting the knobs...
496
00:29:18,490 --> 00:29:21,482
...on the television meticulously.
497
00:29:21,559 --> 00:29:24,392
I mean, I didn't even see what he was doing,
but that was John.
498
00:29:24,462 --> 00:29:27,693
I don't think what a lot people know about him
is how funny he was.
499
00:29:27,766 --> 00:29:29,700
He was a very funny man.
500
00:29:29,768 --> 00:29:33,534
And he had a laugh.
Did anyone describe his laugh to you?
501
00:29:33,605 --> 00:29:35,402
He was spontaneous.
He had a great laugh.
502
00:29:37,809 --> 00:29:39,606
Stan?
503
00:29:39,677 --> 00:29:42,202
Yeah, that was John.
504
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,248
He smoked cigarettes, too,
as you saw in that photo.
505
00:29:44,315 --> 00:29:47,045
He liked cigars.
He and my husband would smoke all night.
506
00:29:47,118 --> 00:29:48,847
My apartment just stunk.
507
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,582
They smoked so many cigarettes
in that apartment.
508
00:29:53,658 --> 00:29:57,560
He was sharing a place with Meryl
on Franklin Street.
509
00:29:57,629 --> 00:29:59,961
And we...
510
00:30:00,031 --> 00:30:05,025
I remember the three of us
went to Chinatown for lunch one day.
511
00:30:05,103 --> 00:30:07,867
And at a certain point down there...
512
00:30:07,939 --> 00:30:12,069
John stopped and started
spitting up blood in the gutter.
513
00:30:15,046 --> 00:30:18,379
That's when I found out,
that he finally said he had lung cancer.
514
00:30:19,751 --> 00:30:25,189
And that's when I just lost it totally
at that point, you know.
515
00:30:25,256 --> 00:30:26,848
I felt...
516
00:30:33,231 --> 00:30:37,258
You know, he had, obviously,
this terrible diagnosis...
517
00:30:37,335 --> 00:30:38,996
...but he was strong...
518
00:30:39,070 --> 00:30:44,064
...so there was definitely a lot of hope
all along the way.
519
00:30:44,142 --> 00:30:46,542
I thought, he's gonna be all right.
They can operate on that.
520
00:30:46,611 --> 00:30:48,545
They can take care of him.
521
00:30:48,613 --> 00:30:52,049
John always looked sick, you know?
I mean, he never looked really healthy.
522
00:30:52,116 --> 00:30:55,347
So I thought, well, he doesn't look
any different than he ever did...
523
00:30:55,420 --> 00:30:57,149
...so he's gonna be fine.
524
00:30:57,222 --> 00:31:00,988
I remember this visit he had to the doctor.
525
00:31:01,059 --> 00:31:04,927
I remember waiting in the waiting room
when he went in to see the doctor.
526
00:31:04,996 --> 00:31:09,865
It was always,
"Well, we're gonna get this thing."
527
00:31:10,869 --> 00:31:13,963
All I got from him was,
"I'm gonna beat this.
528
00:31:14,038 --> 00:31:16,131
I'm gonna beat this.
I'm gonna beat this."
529
00:31:16,207 --> 00:31:19,768
And one conversation about...
530
00:31:19,844 --> 00:31:21,812
"Will they let me work?"
531
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,640
And then they were putting together
The Deer Hunter.
532
00:31:24,716 --> 00:31:26,741
It's gonna be all right, Nicky.
Go ahead, shoot!
533
00:31:26,818 --> 00:31:28,843
Shoot, Nicky!
534
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,889
I learned about when Michael and I
were meeting with actors...
535
00:31:31,956 --> 00:31:34,186
...and I was reading with some actors.
536
00:31:34,259 --> 00:31:37,251
At one point, he wanted to useJohn...
537
00:31:37,328 --> 00:31:40,058
...and there was an issue
about his being not well.
538
00:31:40,131 --> 00:31:45,091
John Cazale had already been diagnosed
with cancer and was uninsurable.
539
00:31:45,169 --> 00:31:49,799
Obviously, if you die halfway through
giving your performance...
540
00:31:49,874 --> 00:31:52,069
...it's gonna cost a great deal of money
to recast you.
541
00:31:52,143 --> 00:31:56,842
And Bob De Niro went to bat forJohn.
542
00:31:56,915 --> 00:32:02,148
He won't tell me,
because he's a very generous person...
543
00:32:02,220 --> 00:32:07,214
...but I think he secured the bond
on John's participation.
544
00:32:07,292 --> 00:32:09,522
He was sicker than we thought...
545
00:32:09,594 --> 00:32:12,085
...but I wanted him to be in it.
546
00:32:12,163 --> 00:32:16,532
So Bob put his money down
and got him in the film.
547
00:32:16,601 --> 00:32:20,469
And he was great in the movie.
I mean, he was just beautiful in it.
548
00:32:20,538 --> 00:32:23,166
- Hey, Stosh!
- Hey!
549
00:32:23,241 --> 00:32:25,641
- Hey! Look at this!
- How ya doin'?
550
00:32:25,710 --> 00:32:29,146
- Hey, Michael.
- Hey! Mikey! Hey, man. How you doin'?
551
00:32:29,213 --> 00:32:32,148
- Hey, where was you? Where was you?
- What do you mean? Where were you?
552
00:32:32,216 --> 00:32:34,480
Where was you?
We had everything all set there.
553
00:32:34,552 --> 00:32:36,747
- The beer. Right, Axel? Am I right?
- Right.
554
00:32:36,821 --> 00:32:39,153
You got a mustache.
555
00:32:39,223 --> 00:32:41,157
- Yeah.
- Hey, it looks pretty good.
556
00:32:41,225 --> 00:32:45,958
I think it's very clear that his talents
were getting richer with every movie.
557
00:32:46,030 --> 00:32:49,966
Whether it was intuition or he was
consciously doing it, I don't really know.
558
00:32:50,034 --> 00:32:53,993
But he was alive and free
to create that character.
559
00:32:54,072 --> 00:32:55,903
I remember watching that movie.
560
00:32:55,974 --> 00:32:58,340
I just felt like I was there
in that town with these guys.
561
00:32:58,409 --> 00:33:00,172
I didn't feel like they were acting.
562
00:33:01,112 --> 00:33:02,773
Anybody see my boots?
563
00:33:02,847 --> 00:33:06,544
He's saying," Lend me your boots.
Lend me your boots."
564
00:33:06,617 --> 00:33:09,108
And De Niro's, like,"No, man."
565
00:33:09,187 --> 00:33:11,348
Hey, Mike, let me borrow your spares.
566
00:33:11,422 --> 00:33:14,357
- Your extra pair.
- No, Stan.
567
00:33:14,425 --> 00:33:17,622
- What do you mean, no?
- Just what I said. No. No means no.
568
00:33:19,864 --> 00:33:21,832
Some fuckin' friend.
You're some fuckin' friend.
569
00:33:21,899 --> 00:33:23,332
You gotta learn, Stanley.
570
00:33:23,401 --> 00:33:26,131
Every time you come up here,
you got your goddamn head up your ass.
571
00:33:26,204 --> 00:33:28,263
Maybe he likes the view from up there.
572
00:33:28,339 --> 00:33:32,105
He says," Stan, you see this?
This is this."
573
00:33:32,176 --> 00:33:35,976
This is this.
This ain't somethin' else. This is this.
574
00:33:36,047 --> 00:33:37,981
From now on, you're on your own.
575
00:33:38,049 --> 00:33:40,813
You know your trouble? Nobody ever knows
what the fuck you're talking about.
576
00:33:40,885 --> 00:33:44,150
"This is this." What the hell
is that supposed to mean?"This is this."
577
00:33:44,222 --> 00:33:48,556
You can watch the movie and the scenes
that he's in and just watch him...
578
00:33:48,626 --> 00:33:52,118
...and be thoroughly entertained
or really moved.
579
00:33:52,196 --> 00:33:56,189
The scene where he's looking
in the reflection of the window...
580
00:33:56,267 --> 00:34:00,101
...and he's checking his corsage,
he's looking at his hair.
581
00:34:02,140 --> 00:34:04,472
He's going like this, and he goes...
582
00:34:04,542 --> 00:34:05,873
"Beautiful."
583
00:34:07,045 --> 00:34:08,205
Beautiful.
584
00:34:08,279 --> 00:34:11,339
What I like, all the little moments,
like in the wedding scene.
585
00:34:11,416 --> 00:34:13,976
He crosses himself...
586
00:34:14,052 --> 00:34:16,316
...and De Niro kind of looks at him like...
587
00:34:16,387 --> 00:34:18,548
"What, are you, like,
religious all of a sudden?"
588
00:34:18,623 --> 00:34:22,650
Or later, there's a little scene
where the gown passes them...
589
00:34:23,594 --> 00:34:26,563
...and he tries to step on the gown,
you know, or somethin'.
590
00:34:27,565 --> 00:34:29,192
Just, like, these little things.
591
00:34:29,267 --> 00:34:32,668
He does this thing where he kind of
looks down at himself...
592
00:34:32,737 --> 00:34:35,763
...then he kind of looks at her,
and he raises his eyebrows.
593
00:34:36,774 --> 00:34:40,505
And then he checks to see
if his zipper's open.
594
00:34:40,578 --> 00:34:43,741
It was such a brilliant little moment...
funny.
595
00:34:43,815 --> 00:34:46,750
Certain actors maybe
will push it too much...
596
00:34:46,818 --> 00:34:49,309
...or they're over the top...
597
00:34:49,387 --> 00:34:52,447
...or under, or not knowing
kind of what they're doing.
598
00:34:52,523 --> 00:34:55,492
I never felt that with John.
We always had a good give and take.
599
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,586
He was real, and we could react...
600
00:34:58,663 --> 00:35:02,793
...and there was no forced
kind of"acting" from John...
601
00:35:02,867 --> 00:35:06,769
...so you could relate and interact...
602
00:35:09,140 --> 00:35:12,041
...in a very solid way.
603
00:35:12,110 --> 00:35:14,101
He's a really diligent person.
604
00:35:14,178 --> 00:35:17,670
He works extremely hard...
605
00:35:17,748 --> 00:35:21,309
...for supporting other people and their effort
by being involved with it.
606
00:35:21,385 --> 00:35:23,945
It was a work process that was constant.
607
00:35:24,021 --> 00:35:26,353
We would talk about the process endlessly...
608
00:35:26,424 --> 00:35:29,951
...and he was monomaniacal about the work.
609
00:35:30,027 --> 00:35:32,587
I think probably I was more glib...
610
00:35:34,232 --> 00:35:38,191
...and ready to pick
the first idea that came to me.
611
00:35:38,269 --> 00:35:41,329
And he would say,
"There's a lot of other possibilities."
612
00:35:41,405 --> 00:35:43,873
And that was a real lesson.
613
00:35:43,941 --> 00:35:47,502
I really took that to heart,
and I always think about it.
614
00:35:47,578 --> 00:35:49,569
I know Nick will be back soon.
615
00:35:50,815 --> 00:35:53,147
I know Nick.
He'll be comin' back too.
616
00:35:54,652 --> 00:35:56,017
Right, Axel?
617
00:35:56,087 --> 00:35:58,021
Whatever he was going through
with his illness...
618
00:35:58,089 --> 00:36:00,580
...it did not take a millimeter...
619
00:36:00,658 --> 00:36:03,821
...off his abilities
to deliver that character.
620
00:36:03,895 --> 00:36:06,261
I mean, he was just great
in Deer Hunter.
621
00:36:06,330 --> 00:36:09,060
But being in a movie
was the smallest part...
622
00:36:09,133 --> 00:36:14,503
...of the tricky part of that landscape
of our lives.
623
00:36:14,572 --> 00:36:16,836
I mean, it was really tough.
624
00:36:16,908 --> 00:36:19,001
And nobody really knew...
625
00:36:19,076 --> 00:36:22,307
whether these protocols would work.
626
00:36:22,380 --> 00:36:25,543
But we were always very, very hopeful...
627
00:36:25,616 --> 00:36:27,777
...that everything would work out well.
628
00:36:37,461 --> 00:36:41,158
The most amazing thing to see
was Meryl during all of this...
629
00:36:41,232 --> 00:36:44,963
...and the way she was with him by his side...
630
00:36:45,036 --> 00:36:47,004
...right through the whole thing.
631
00:36:47,071 --> 00:36:50,507
Meryl, she was with him to the end...
at the hospital at the end.
632
00:36:50,575 --> 00:36:53,066
She was an angel. She was.
633
00:36:53,144 --> 00:36:55,271
I so admired how she behaved.
634
00:36:55,346 --> 00:36:58,440
It was very beautiful.
635
00:36:58,516 --> 00:37:00,507
He was a very fortunate guy...
636
00:37:00,585 --> 00:37:04,043
...to have someone who loved him that much
during his last days.
637
00:37:04,121 --> 00:37:06,954
When I saw that girl
there with him like that...
638
00:37:07,024 --> 00:37:10,016
I thought,"There's nothing like that."
639
00:37:10,094 --> 00:37:13,655
I mean, that's it for me.
640
00:37:13,731 --> 00:37:17,292
As great as she is in all her work...
641
00:37:17,368 --> 00:37:20,166
...that's what I think of
when I think of her...That moment.
642
00:37:20,238 --> 00:37:22,229
That's what I think of.
643
00:37:32,516 --> 00:37:35,076
He was such a special human being...
644
00:37:35,152 --> 00:37:39,020
...and a uniquely talented actor.
645
00:37:40,124 --> 00:37:43,890
His compassion for his people
that he was portraying...
646
00:37:43,961 --> 00:37:48,455
...and the sort of responsibility
he felt to a fictional character...
647
00:37:48,532 --> 00:37:50,466
...as if it were a real soul...
648
00:37:50,534 --> 00:37:54,231
...that made him go that deep
into his characters...
649
00:37:54,305 --> 00:37:56,967
...and do beautiful, beautiful work.
650
00:38:07,051 --> 00:38:08,609
Forty-two years old.
651
00:38:08,686 --> 00:38:11,314
He now would be, what, 72.
Thirty years.
652
00:38:11,389 --> 00:38:13,619
Imagine all the work...
653
00:38:13,691 --> 00:38:16,660
...the incredible work he would have done
in these 30 years.
654
00:38:21,999 --> 00:38:24,763
"His whole life plays and replays as film...
655
00:38:24,835 --> 00:38:27,668
...in our picture houses, in our dreams.
656
00:38:27,738 --> 00:38:31,640
He leaves us, his loving audience,
a memory of his great calm...
657
00:38:31,709 --> 00:38:35,008
...his quiet waiting,
his love of high music...
658
00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:37,172
...his love of low jokes...
659
00:38:37,248 --> 00:38:40,547
...the absurd edge of forest
that was his hairline...
660
00:38:40,618 --> 00:38:43,951
...the slice of watermelon
that was his smile.
661
00:38:44,021 --> 00:38:46,012
He is unforgettable."
662
00:38:49,927 --> 00:38:52,054
He is unforgettable.
663
00:39:05,142 --> 00:39:07,633
I had a really weird experience.
664
00:39:07,712 --> 00:39:09,339
Surreal.
665
00:39:09,413 --> 00:39:12,644
I did a voice on The Simpsons...
666
00:39:12,717 --> 00:39:15,311
where I played a bank robber.
667
00:39:15,386 --> 00:39:17,980
So I'm watching The Simpsons
when it aired...
668
00:39:18,055 --> 00:39:19,886
...and my partner...
669
00:39:19,957 --> 00:39:22,357
...they did a likeness ofJohn Cazale.
670
00:39:23,027 --> 00:39:27,396
I was, like, humbled.
I was, like,"Oh, my God. I'm acting with John."
671
00:39:27,465 --> 00:39:30,457
I don't know.
I really felt proud, you know?
672
00:39:30,534 --> 00:39:32,297
It was, like, hey, I really did...
673
00:39:32,370 --> 00:39:35,601
I really did become an actor,
and this proves it, you know?
55868
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