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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:28,995 --> 00:00:31,725 He just had this quality that I can't even put my finger on... 2 00:00:31,798 --> 00:00:33,732 ...but you just had to watch him. 3 00:00:44,544 --> 00:00:47,672 He was truly a transformational actor. 4 00:00:47,747 --> 00:00:49,442 He could do anything. 5 00:00:57,824 --> 00:01:00,918 He was such a special human being... 6 00:01:00,994 --> 00:01:05,931 ...and a uniquely talented actor. 7 00:01:05,999 --> 00:01:09,526 He's just brilliant in all these five films we were talking about. 8 00:01:09,602 --> 00:01:12,366 He's just terrifically brilliant in every one. 9 00:01:30,223 --> 00:01:32,714 Excuse me. Can I ask you a question? 10 00:01:32,792 --> 00:01:35,158 Do you know who this guy is? Nope. 11 00:01:35,228 --> 00:01:36,217 Nope. 12 00:01:36,296 --> 00:01:38,059 Something from The Godfather? 13 00:01:38,131 --> 00:01:40,827 He was the oldest one. He was a little slow. 14 00:01:40,900 --> 00:01:44,301 - The son that betrayed? Yes? - Yes. 15 00:01:44,370 --> 00:01:46,964 Did he play Fredo? 16 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:48,132 Yeah. Frito. 17 00:01:48,208 --> 00:01:50,401 Fredo. 18 00:01:50,477 --> 00:01:52,035 - Fredo. - Fredo. 19 00:01:52,112 --> 00:01:55,445 Fredo. Do you know what the actor's name is? 20 00:01:55,515 --> 00:01:56,982 His name was Fredo. 21 00:01:57,050 --> 00:01:59,541 Shoot. Wait a minute. I'm going to get it. 22 00:01:59,619 --> 00:02:02,816 - I loved this guy too. - What was his name? He was very good. 23 00:02:02,889 --> 00:02:05,323 Fredo. I know it was you, Fredo. 24 00:02:07,927 --> 00:02:09,588 I know it was you, Fredo. 25 00:02:10,997 --> 00:02:12,362 You broke my heart. 26 00:02:13,666 --> 00:02:16,692 You don't come to Las Vegas and talk to a man like Moe Greene like that! 27 00:02:16,769 --> 00:02:19,602 Did you say," Either we get away clean or we kill ourselves"? 28 00:02:19,672 --> 00:02:22,072 What the hell is that supposed to mean? "This is this." 29 00:02:22,142 --> 00:02:25,111 I'm your older brother, Mike, and I was stepped over! 30 00:02:32,986 --> 00:02:35,511 There was great excitement about The Godfather. 31 00:02:35,588 --> 00:02:38,250 My older brother saw it first. 32 00:02:38,324 --> 00:02:40,315 He says,"Me"... Even though he was older than me. 33 00:02:40,393 --> 00:02:42,054 He says,"I'm like the youngest one." 34 00:02:42,128 --> 00:02:46,360 He says," I'd be more of a Michael, you know, or maybe Sonny. 35 00:02:46,432 --> 00:02:48,559 But you, you know, you'd be Fredo." 36 00:02:48,635 --> 00:02:52,230 And he meant it like as an insult, you know... 37 00:02:52,305 --> 00:02:54,500 ...and I understood what he was saying. 38 00:02:54,574 --> 00:02:58,510 And I saw the movie, and I was, like,"Oh, okay. That guy." 39 00:02:58,578 --> 00:03:02,275 But now I'm, like," Yeah, that guy! I want to be that guy." 40 00:03:02,348 --> 00:03:04,543 - How are you, Fredo? - How you doin'? 41 00:03:04,617 --> 00:03:07,882 Fredo? My brother Fredo, this is Kay Adams. 42 00:03:09,289 --> 00:03:11,280 - Hi. - How you doing? 43 00:03:13,593 --> 00:03:16,960 - This is my brother Mike. - Are you having a good time? 44 00:03:17,030 --> 00:03:19,362 Yeah. Yeah. This is your friend, huh? 45 00:03:20,700 --> 00:03:25,000 Francis and I were in New York casting The Godfather. 46 00:03:25,071 --> 00:03:30,065 And we were stuck on the Fredo character. 47 00:03:30,143 --> 00:03:34,580 Every young actor did a test for every part. 48 00:03:34,647 --> 00:03:37,411 Richard Dreyfuss was an old friend of mine... 49 00:03:37,483 --> 00:03:42,853 ...and he was in a play off Broadway in New York at that time called Line. 50 00:03:42,922 --> 00:03:46,858 And he called me up and asked if I would come see him in the play. 51 00:03:46,926 --> 00:03:48,484 I didn't set anything up. 52 00:03:48,561 --> 00:03:50,825 I didn't say,"I'm gonna getJohn." 53 00:03:50,897 --> 00:03:52,592 I wanted him to see the show. 54 00:03:52,665 --> 00:03:55,657 Richard, of course, was terrific, but then there was this other guy in it... 55 00:03:55,735 --> 00:03:57,726 ...that just caught my attention. 56 00:04:46,619 --> 00:04:48,883 They still haven't done anything about that Peeping Tom next door. 57 00:04:48,955 --> 00:04:51,480 You're telling me there's a peeper in one of my buildings? 58 00:05:03,636 --> 00:05:07,436 So, then there was this other guy in it that just caught my attention. 59 00:05:08,441 --> 00:05:11,103 In the Playbill, you see his name, Cazale, Cazale... 60 00:05:11,177 --> 00:05:12,838 ...so he must be Italian-American. 61 00:05:15,415 --> 00:05:17,440 And he was just wonderful. He was like... 62 00:05:17,517 --> 00:05:19,747 Instantly, I said,"That's Fredo." 63 00:05:19,819 --> 00:05:21,787 Over and done. 64 00:05:21,854 --> 00:05:23,788 I thought he was perfect for the part. 65 00:05:23,856 --> 00:05:25,551 He had the warmth and the gentleness. 66 00:05:25,625 --> 00:05:29,459 He had all the qualities that I had hoped for in Fredo... 67 00:05:29,529 --> 00:05:32,123 ...and I think there was no hesitation to cast him. 68 00:05:45,345 --> 00:05:47,643 Aspetta, Fredo. I'm gonna buy some fruit. 69 00:05:47,714 --> 00:05:48,942 Okay, Pop. 70 00:05:49,015 --> 00:05:51,313 Until that moment in front of the car... 71 00:05:51,384 --> 00:05:54,114 ...you don't noticeJohn's eyes at all. 72 00:05:54,987 --> 00:05:57,046 At first, he's in the background. 73 00:05:57,123 --> 00:05:58,954 He's on the side. 74 00:05:59,025 --> 00:06:01,516 You don't see his eyes before that. 75 00:06:01,594 --> 00:06:03,892 And then you never see anything but his eyes. 76 00:06:04,997 --> 00:06:07,397 And it's true, he just kind of knew. 77 00:06:07,467 --> 00:06:11,096 "My character's entrance is here." 78 00:06:11,704 --> 00:06:14,332 You could look at that one moment... 79 00:06:14,407 -->@:16,773 ...and get him. 80 00:06:20,980 --> 00:06:23,608 He personifies this fearful... 81 00:06:23,683 --> 00:06:26,777 ...vulnerable little boy who wanted his daddy. 82 00:06:26,853 --> 00:06:28,343 And he drops the gun. 83 00:06:28,421 --> 00:06:29,911 He's so fragile. 84 00:06:32,759 --> 00:06:36,525 It's unbelievable. I mean, I could watch that movie over and over and over again. 85 00:06:36,596 --> 00:06:38,791 Look who he was standing next to... 86 00:06:38,865 --> 00:06:41,527 Brando, Pacino, Duvall. 87 00:06:41,601 --> 00:06:44,161 And he stood toe to toe with those guys... 88 00:06:44,237 --> 00:06:46,501 ...and brought such heart. 89 00:06:47,507 --> 00:06:50,305 Lfirst metJohn when I was a teenager. 90 00:06:50,376 --> 00:06:53,607 We were messengers at Standard Oil together. 91 00:06:53,679 --> 00:06:57,171 And I liked the guy from the moment I saw him. 92 00:06:57,250 --> 00:07:01,414 I just liked him, and so we would occasionally talk. 93 00:07:01,487 --> 00:07:03,819 And I had my little Chekhov book at the time. 94 00:07:03,890 --> 00:07:05,653 We both found out we were actors. 95 00:07:05,725 --> 00:07:08,023 And then years passed... 96 00:07:08,094 --> 00:07:10,585 ...and I was doing a play called The Indian Wants the Bronx. 97 00:07:10,663 --> 00:07:13,461 We were going up to Provincetown to play it. 98 00:07:13,533 --> 00:07:16,001 And they said," We got this guy, he's playing the Indian." 99 00:07:16,068 --> 00:07:18,434 Now, I remember in passing, going up the stairs... 100 00:07:18,504 --> 00:07:20,597 'cause we all had rooms in this house... 101 00:07:20,673 --> 00:07:23,301 ...somebody peeked out of the door. 102 00:07:23,376 --> 00:07:25,708 He said,"This guy's name is John Cazale." 103 00:07:25,778 --> 00:07:28,212 I never knew his name, and I didn't remember his name. 104 00:07:28,281 --> 00:07:30,715 And so there was John. He peeked his head out of the door. 105 00:07:30,783 --> 00:07:32,774 I said,"You!" 106 00:07:32,852 --> 00:07:35,582 I said,"You again. I know you." 107 00:07:35,655 --> 00:07:38,419 And we proceeded to work together. 108 00:07:39,425 --> 00:07:42,121 John won the OBI E. I won the OBI E. The play won the OBI E. 109 00:07:42,195 --> 00:07:45,028 And it became that long-time relationship. 110 00:07:45,665 --> 00:07:50,728 Mike, you don't come to Las Vegas and talk to a man like Moe Green like that! 111 00:07:52,405 --> 00:07:54,498 Fredo. 112 00:07:54,574 --> 00:07:57,702 You're my older brother, and I love you. 113 00:07:57,777 --> 00:08:01,406 But don't ever take sides with anyone against the family again. 114 00:08:03,483 --> 00:08:06,646 By the way, the subtlety in his acting... 115 00:08:06,719 --> 00:08:09,711 was so amazing... the emotional depth of it. 116 00:08:09,789 --> 00:08:13,520 When Al arrives in Las Vegas, and John was already there... 117 00:08:13,593 --> 00:08:16,255 ...and he's got the band set up and the hookers. 118 00:08:18,831 --> 00:08:22,096 The band is playing. He does this kind of thing. 119 00:08:22,168 --> 00:08:25,604 And it's just so brilliant, that dance. 120 00:08:25,671 --> 00:08:29,539 - Welcome to Las Vegas. - It's all for you. It was all his idea, right? 121 00:08:29,609 --> 00:08:31,076 And Al says,"Get rid of them." 122 00:08:31,143 --> 00:08:33,077 Get rid of them, Fredo. 123 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:35,508 Hey, Mike. 124 00:08:35,581 --> 00:08:37,572 Fredo, I'm here on business. I leave tomorrow. 125 00:08:37,650 --> 00:08:39,208 Now get rid of them. 126 00:08:39,285 --> 00:08:40,274 I'm tired. 127 00:08:40,353 --> 00:08:43,083 And the look on his face was so amazing... 128 00:08:43,155 --> 00:08:45,123 ...the emotional depth of it. 129 00:08:45,191 --> 00:08:47,716 A whole kind of person became present... 130 00:08:47,793 --> 00:08:51,991 ...in that one reaction to Al ordering him about like that. 131 00:08:52,064 --> 00:08:53,554 Hey, come on! Scram! 132 00:08:53,633 --> 00:08:55,658 That's whereJohn fit in so miraculously. 133 00:08:55,735 --> 00:08:59,728 Because all of that vulnerability, all of that pain... 134 00:08:59,805 --> 00:09:01,898 ...that was in John as a man... 135 00:09:01,974 --> 00:09:06,843 ...is suddenly connecting with us on a level that we never thought possible. 136 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,316 In the late '50s, we both were in acting class together... 137 00:09:11,384 --> 00:09:13,875 ...studying with Peter Kass. 138 00:09:13,953 --> 00:09:17,787 Peter Kass was quick to see what you might be ashamed of... 139 00:09:17,857 --> 00:09:19,916 ...in yourself and in your background... 140 00:09:19,992 --> 00:09:23,928 ...and to point out that this was part of who you were... 141 00:09:23,996 --> 00:09:25,987 ...and that you needed every part of yourself. 142 00:09:26,065 --> 00:09:30,434 The idea of only presenting yourself in the best light... 143 00:09:30,503 --> 00:09:32,095 was anathema to him. 144 00:09:32,171 --> 00:09:35,698 If you look atJohn's work, you see how willingly... 145 00:09:35,775 --> 00:09:38,039 ...he went to the dark side... 146 00:09:38,110 --> 00:09:40,442 ...and how capable he was of doing that. 147 00:09:40,513 --> 00:09:42,743 John felt very strongly... 148 00:09:42,815 --> 00:09:46,307 ...that finding the character, you had to find the pain first... 149 00:09:46,385 --> 00:09:49,252 where that character was in pain, where he hurt. 150 00:09:49,322 --> 00:09:51,813 He felt that that was the major motivation... 151 00:09:51,891 --> 00:09:55,952 ...and that would translate into positive choices as an actor. 152 00:09:56,028 --> 00:09:58,895 I think the artist is born in the suffering child. 153 00:09:58,965 --> 00:10:02,765 And there are all kinds of reasons for children to suffer. 154 00:10:02,835 --> 00:10:07,499 And I don't know exactly what it was that was John's reason... 155 00:10:07,573 --> 00:10:10,235 ...but I could venture a guess certainly. 156 00:10:10,309 --> 00:10:13,107 It was probably a strong, overbearing father... 157 00:10:13,179 --> 00:10:15,340 ...that was difficult. 158 00:10:19,485 --> 00:10:23,751 He was able to tackle anything that came up in the first Godfather. 159 00:10:23,823 --> 00:10:26,917 Then I wrote a role for him in The Conversation. 160 00:10:29,662 --> 00:10:31,152 He's a nice guy, for a cop. 161 00:10:31,230 --> 00:10:34,563 I knew what was just the character of an assistant... 162 00:10:34,634 --> 00:10:38,001 would suddenly come to life as a real character. 163 00:10:38,070 --> 00:10:41,471 The Conversation was a cult film. 164 00:10:41,540 --> 00:10:45,306 People already had it on as their favorite film of all time... 165 00:10:45,378 --> 00:10:47,608 ...especially people who wanted to show... 166 00:10:47,680 --> 00:10:50,114 ...that they were impervious to the mass tastes. 167 00:10:50,182 --> 00:10:54,084 You know, like," It's not The Godfather that I love the most. It's..." 168 00:11:03,195 --> 00:11:05,527 John Cazale elevated the people around him. 169 00:11:05,598 --> 00:11:07,395 He knew that part of his job... 170 00:11:07,466 --> 00:11:10,162 was not only to play his own characters with integrity... 171 00:11:10,236 --> 00:11:12,363 ...but to play them in such a way... 172 00:11:12,438 --> 00:11:14,804 ...that made the other characters credible. 173 00:11:14,874 --> 00:11:16,808 So it's no accident... 174 00:11:16,876 --> 00:11:20,039 ...that so many actors gave such great performances in his company. 175 00:11:20,112 --> 00:11:24,208 I would bet money that all the actors that worked with him were inspired by what he did. 176 00:11:24,283 --> 00:11:27,081 To take it that much further, to be that much more creative... 177 00:11:27,153 --> 00:11:29,053 ...or risky or personal. 178 00:11:29,121 --> 00:11:33,114 Because he seemed to be uncomfortably vulnerable in everything he did... 179 00:11:33,192 --> 00:11:38,152 ...and that always makes people go, "I think I gotta work a little harder. 180 00:11:38,230 --> 00:11:42,030 I think I better rethink what I'm doing here 'cause this guy is really going for it." 181 00:11:42,101 --> 00:11:45,468 He was an extremely intense actor... 182 00:11:45,538 --> 00:11:49,975 ...and was highly concentrated... 183 00:11:50,042 --> 00:11:52,943 ...and kind of single-minded... 184 00:11:53,012 --> 00:11:56,413 ...about what he had set himself to do. 185 00:11:56,482 --> 00:11:59,451 I recall whereJohn was sitting at this worktable... 186 00:11:59,518 --> 00:12:01,679 ...and I had criticized him for something. 187 00:12:01,754 --> 00:12:05,121 We'd have a much better track here if you'd paid more attention to the recording... 188 00:12:05,191 --> 00:12:06,658 ...and less to what they were talking about. 189 00:12:06,726 --> 00:12:09,251 And Francis said... 190 00:12:09,328 --> 00:12:11,262 "Maybe just a little more, Gene." 191 00:12:11,330 --> 00:12:13,628 And then John pushed me... 192 00:12:13,699 --> 00:12:16,532 ...and managed to make all those pieces come together. 193 00:12:16,602 --> 00:12:18,866 - Jesus! - Don't say that. 194 00:12:20,306 --> 00:12:21,637 For Christ's sakes... 195 00:12:21,707 --> 00:12:24,471 Stan, don't say that again, please. 196 00:12:24,543 --> 00:12:27,171 Don't use that word in vain. It bothers me. 197 00:12:27,246 --> 00:12:30,909 No one could have that look of hurt on his face better than him. 198 00:12:30,983 --> 00:12:32,348 Or guilt. 199 00:12:32,418 --> 00:12:35,581 There's the moment in The Conversation... 200 00:12:35,654 --> 00:12:39,055 where Gene Hackman goes to the convention. 201 00:12:39,125 --> 00:12:42,424 Alan Garfield says, "Stan, just man the booth." 202 00:12:42,495 --> 00:12:46,397 And there comes John Cazale who works for Gene Hackman... 203 00:12:46,465 --> 00:12:48,057 who's now moonlighting. 204 00:12:48,134 --> 00:12:50,967 Stanley, do me a favor, huh? 205 00:12:51,036 --> 00:12:53,061 Come on. Mind the booth, all right? 206 00:12:53,139 --> 00:12:55,471 Come on. That's what I pay you for. Just a couple of minutes. 207 00:12:55,541 --> 00:12:58,533 - I just want to get a drink. All right? - Hi, Harry. 208 00:13:00,479 --> 00:13:03,812 And the look on his face when he sees Gene Hackman... 209 00:13:03,883 --> 00:13:05,942 ...just sort of, you know... 210 00:13:06,018 --> 00:13:08,009 "Yeah, I'm doing this. So?" You know? 211 00:13:09,021 --> 00:13:11,046 But also hurt. 212 00:13:11,123 --> 00:13:13,956 I mean, he's embarrassed, but he's also hurt... 213 00:13:14,026 --> 00:13:16,017 ...that he's forced to do this. 214 00:13:16,095 --> 00:13:20,395 He was an actor that had the courage to stay with what he had set out to do. 215 00:13:20,466 --> 00:13:22,900 John was tough-minded. 216 00:13:22,968 --> 00:13:25,402 This was a very unique actor. 217 00:13:26,639 --> 00:13:28,573 You know, when I was your age... 218 00:13:29,575 --> 00:13:32,942 I went out fishing with all my brothers... 219 00:13:33,012 --> 00:13:36,277 ...and my father, everybody... 220 00:13:37,750 --> 00:13:40,241 ...and I was the only one that caught a fish. 221 00:13:42,021 --> 00:13:44,455 Nobody else could catch one except me. 222 00:13:44,523 --> 00:13:46,457 You know how I did it? 223 00:13:47,860 --> 00:13:51,591 Every time I put the line in the water, I said a Hail Mary. 224 00:13:51,664 --> 00:13:54,132 And every time I said a Hail Mary, I caught a fish. 225 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:58,603 Something you might not pick up right away in Godfather I, but in Godfather Il... 226 00:13:58,671 --> 00:14:01,834 ...he plays these characters that you shouldn't like... 227 00:14:01,907 --> 00:14:05,104 ...but you like him, you really care about him. 228 00:14:05,177 --> 00:14:06,872 He betrays his brother... 229 00:14:06,946 --> 00:14:10,905 ...and you end up not liking Michael in Godfather II more than Fredo. 230 00:14:10,983 --> 00:14:12,974 Can't you forgive Fredo? 231 00:14:14,253 --> 00:14:18,519 He's so sweet and helpless without you. 232 00:14:18,591 --> 00:14:21,958 Because Michael becomes so cold in Godfather II... 233 00:14:22,728 --> 00:14:25,492 ...and Fredo becomes all the more human. 234 00:14:25,564 --> 00:14:28,192 He shows you a whole other side of this character. 235 00:14:29,635 --> 00:14:32,160 That's a brilliant performance. It really is. 236 00:14:33,739 --> 00:14:36,970 Sometimes I think I should have married a woman like you did. 237 00:14:37,042 --> 00:14:38,532 Like Kay. 238 00:14:39,511 --> 00:14:40,842 Kids. 239 00:14:40,913 --> 00:14:42,847 Have a family. 240 00:14:44,516 --> 00:14:46,950 Once in my life... 241 00:14:47,019 --> 00:14:49,920 ...be more like Pop. 242 00:14:53,292 --> 00:14:55,283 It's not easy to be his son, Fredo. 243 00:14:56,428 --> 00:14:57,986 It's not easy. 244 00:14:58,063 --> 00:14:59,860 You know, Mama used to tease me. 245 00:14:59,932 --> 00:15:03,265 She'd say," You don't belong to me. You were left on the doorstep by gypsies." 246 00:15:04,904 --> 00:15:06,895 Sometimes I think it's true. 247 00:15:07,940 --> 00:15:09,874 You're no gypsy, Fredo. 248 00:15:11,443 --> 00:15:13,411 Mikey... 249 00:15:13,479 --> 00:15:15,413 I was mad at you. 250 00:15:22,554 --> 00:15:25,045 Why didn't we spend time like this before? 251 00:15:26,825 --> 00:15:31,728 The great thing about Cazale is he never, ever loses sight of who that character is. 252 00:15:31,797 --> 00:15:34,322 You can see why everyone treated him terribly. 253 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,163 You can see his weakness. 254 00:15:36,235 --> 00:15:38,260 You can see his self-loathing, his resentment... 255 00:15:38,337 --> 00:15:40,362 ...his disappointment in himself. 256 00:15:40,439 --> 00:15:42,066 He understands him from the inside. 257 00:15:42,141 --> 00:15:45,542 Fredo, come with me. It's the only way out of here tonight. 258 00:15:46,378 --> 00:15:48,073 Roth is dead. Fredo. 259 00:15:48,347 --> 00:15:50,907 He became whoever it was he was playing... 260 00:15:50,983 --> 00:15:53,213 ...and he did that by asking questions... 261 00:15:53,285 --> 00:15:56,721 'cause he taught me about asking questions and not having to answer them. 262 00:15:56,789 --> 00:15:58,188 That's the beauty. 263 00:15:58,257 --> 00:16:01,420 What's wonderful about it is you open the door to things. 264 00:16:01,493 --> 00:16:04,257 Directors used to call him"20 Questions." 265 00:16:04,330 --> 00:16:07,629 He was never, never, never satisfied... 266 00:16:07,700 --> 00:16:10,191 with just the outlines of a character... 267 00:16:10,269 --> 00:16:14,103 ...or just filling out the expected thing. 268 00:16:14,173 --> 00:16:16,971 He got so much from the delving into things. 269 00:16:17,042 --> 00:16:18,532 It was a lesson in itself. 270 00:16:18,610 --> 00:16:22,273 I think I learned more about acting from John than anybody. 271 00:16:29,722 --> 00:16:31,713 I haven't got a lot to say, Mike. 272 00:16:31,790 --> 00:16:35,351 In that great scene with Michael, you just really felt for him. 273 00:16:35,427 --> 00:16:39,056 You wanted him to be the guy who was rightfully next in line. 274 00:16:39,131 --> 00:16:41,895 And when he's passed over, it's really heartbreaking. 275 00:16:41,967 --> 00:16:44,527 And the way Francis staged it, the way Coppola staged it... 276 00:16:44,603 --> 00:16:47,231 ...it's just phenomenal and a lesson to every director. 277 00:16:47,306 --> 00:16:49,831 I remember when we shot that scene... 278 00:16:49,908 --> 00:16:54,607 ...and thinking that we had shot something really... 279 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:56,978 ...that had come to life and was extraordinary. 280 00:16:57,049 --> 00:17:01,110 And very definitely the way Cazale used the chair... 281 00:17:01,186 --> 00:17:03,916 ...because that chair was there, and certainly you could slump in it... 282 00:17:03,989 --> 00:17:07,288 ...but somehow he used it... 283 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,886 ...to express what was the point... 284 00:17:10,963 --> 00:17:15,457 ...in a way that I had never anticipated. 285 00:17:16,869 --> 00:17:19,429 I've always taken care of you, Fredo. 286 00:17:19,505 --> 00:17:21,439 Taken care of me? 287 00:17:22,574 --> 00:17:25,134 You're my kid brother, and you take care of me? 288 00:17:26,378 --> 00:17:30,041 Did you ever think about that? Did you ever once think about that? 289 00:17:31,550 --> 00:17:34,713 Send Fredo off to do this. Send Fredo off to do that. 290 00:17:36,388 --> 00:17:40,722 Let Fredo take care of some Mickey Mouse nightclub somewhere. 291 00:17:40,793 --> 00:17:43,785 Send Fredo to pick somebody up at the airport. 292 00:17:43,862 --> 00:17:46,956 I'm your older brother, Mike, and I was stepped over! 293 00:17:47,032 --> 00:17:50,263 - That's the way Pop wanted it. - It ain't the way I wanted it! 294 00:17:52,071 --> 00:17:54,631 I can handle things! I'm smart! 295 00:17:54,706 --> 00:17:58,142 Not like everybody says! Like dumb! 296 00:17:58,210 --> 00:18:00,872 I'm smart, and I want respect! 297 00:18:00,946 --> 00:18:02,743 He's such an imp. 298 00:18:02,815 --> 00:18:04,806 You know, he's so irresponsible... 299 00:18:04,883 --> 00:18:07,010 ...and yet he so desperately... so anxious... 300 00:18:07,086 --> 00:18:10,317 ...to get his piece of the pie and to be respected. 301 00:18:10,389 --> 00:18:13,187 Heartbreaking scene. And what are we talking about? 302 00:18:13,258 --> 00:18:17,558 We're talking about a totally antisocial, probably terrible man. 303 00:18:17,629 --> 00:18:20,894 And Cazale brok@ýïðX@A304 00:18:22,768 --> 00:18:26,397 He really let himself out there. He's really vulnerable. 305 00:18:26,472 --> 00:18:28,531 You know, it's not easy to play weak. 306 00:18:28,607 --> 00:18:31,906 You know, if you get the script for The Godfather... 307 00:18:31,977 --> 00:18:35,936 ...every young actor's gonna want to play Sonny or Michael. 308 00:18:36,014 --> 00:18:38,881 You know, they're not gonna want to play Fredo. 309 00:18:38,951 --> 00:18:41,920 You want to be strong, and you want to be... 310 00:18:41,987 --> 00:18:44,455 So you want to say, "Look how talented I am. 311 00:18:44,523 --> 00:18:46,514 I'm strong. I've got balls." 312 00:18:46,592 --> 00:18:51,552 Weakness is something that a lot of actors, I think, are afraid to play. 313 00:18:51,630 --> 00:18:55,862 They'll play weak men, but they'll do it in a really sort of showboaty way... 314 00:18:55,934 --> 00:18:59,165 ...to let you know that they're not weak, that it's a performance. 315 00:18:59,238 --> 00:19:02,639 And Cazale was just so disinclined to do that. 316 00:19:47,252 --> 00:19:49,186 He was really fun to work with. 317 00:19:49,254 --> 00:19:51,814 You really showed up early when he was involved. 318 00:19:51,890 --> 00:19:54,484 His approach was an artist's approach... 319 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,358 ...his way of living was an artist's way of living. 320 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,964 John was an actor, and that's what he was gonna do... 321 00:20:04,036 --> 00:20:05,970 ...and nothing was gonna stop that. 322 00:20:06,038 --> 00:20:09,098 Career or business or anything. That was beside the... 323 00:20:09,174 --> 00:20:11,165 It didn't matter really. 324 00:20:11,243 --> 00:20:14,508 What mattered was the plank and the passion. 325 00:20:14,580 --> 00:20:18,107 The plank being the stage, and the passion...That's what he had. 326 00:20:24,756 --> 00:20:28,715 Just from the moment you see him on screen in Dog Day Afternoon... 327 00:20:29,962 --> 00:20:33,864 - He's so strange looking. - You the manager? 328 00:20:33,932 --> 00:20:38,995 You know, really intense face and then the receding hairline... 329 00:20:39,071 --> 00:20:42,063 ...and the huge forehead and then the long hair. 330 00:20:43,508 --> 00:20:46,204 I had just never seen a character like that on film before. 331 00:20:47,312 --> 00:20:49,303 Just keep talking like nothing was wrong. 332 00:20:50,015 --> 00:20:55,009 I remember we were casting, and Sidney Lumet wanted a 19-year-old boy. 333 00:20:56,655 --> 00:20:59,522 He thought that would be very important, and he was sort of right. 334 00:20:59,591 --> 00:21:01,991 I'd been reading a lot of people for it... 335 00:21:02,060 --> 00:21:06,087 ...and Al kept asking me to read John. 336 00:21:06,164 --> 00:21:08,792 So, of course, Sidney... 337 00:21:08,867 --> 00:21:11,131 "John. That's not what I'm thinking. John Cazale. 338 00:21:11,203 --> 00:21:13,262 No, no. The guy who did Fredo, no." 339 00:21:13,338 --> 00:21:16,034 Finally, because I've got such respect for Al, John came in. 340 00:21:16,108 --> 00:21:19,703 I was stunned. He could not have looked wronger. 341 00:21:19,778 --> 00:21:21,746 And then he read... 342 00:21:22,814 --> 00:21:26,113 ...and it was just the most extraordinary connection. 343 00:21:26,184 --> 00:21:28,175 I ain't going back to that prison, Sonny. 344 00:21:29,521 --> 00:21:32,046 I've got the image of him in my mind. 345 00:21:32,124 --> 00:21:34,115 That image of that character. Oh, man. 346 00:21:34,926 --> 00:21:38,089 Everything he did... the hair, the movement. 347 00:21:38,163 --> 00:21:40,324 You, come with me. Watch him. 348 00:21:41,333 --> 00:21:42,527 Sit down! 349 00:21:42,601 --> 00:21:44,569 The intensity... 350 00:21:44,636 --> 00:21:46,126 Wow. 351 00:21:46,204 --> 00:21:49,367 You know, he's very intense, but nervous. 352 00:21:49,441 --> 00:21:51,773 You felt at any time that he could really lose it. 353 00:21:51,843 --> 00:21:54,368 - Stay right there! - Leave her alone! Please, don't! 354 00:21:54,446 --> 00:21:56,573 Cazale is scary in that movie. 355 00:21:56,648 --> 00:22:00,982 He completely erases the dynamic that he had with Pacino in the Godfather movies. 356 00:22:01,053 --> 00:22:03,886 Hey, you! Manager! Fucker! Don't get ideas. 357 00:22:03,955 --> 00:22:05,889 I bark, that man there...See him? He bites. 358 00:22:05,957 --> 00:22:08,721 You don't ever really believe when you're watching the movie... 359 00:22:08,794 --> 00:22:10,785 ...that Pacino is gonna kill someone. 360 00:22:10,862 --> 00:22:12,989 Cazale, you think, might. 361 00:22:13,065 --> 00:22:15,727 There's a way out of this. I'm telling you, there's a way out of this. 362 00:22:15,801 --> 00:22:18,065 - Were you serious about what you said? - About what? 363 00:22:19,271 --> 00:22:21,330 About throwing... 364 00:22:24,343 --> 00:22:26,743 About throwing those bodies out the door. 365 00:22:29,648 --> 00:22:32,116 That's what I want him to think. 366 00:22:32,184 --> 00:22:34,482 I wanna know what you think. 367 00:22:38,090 --> 00:22:41,491 'Cause I'll tell you right now, I'm ready to do it. 368 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,050 I'll tell you something. 369 00:22:43,128 --> 00:22:46,359 When he says that line, you believe he's ready to kill somebody... 370 00:22:46,431 --> 00:22:48,365 ...just out of fear, you know. 371 00:22:48,433 --> 00:22:53,029 I think that intensity level's in his eyes throughout the entire film. 372 00:22:53,105 --> 00:22:55,869 He provides that. It's right there in those fuckin' eyes. 373 00:22:55,941 --> 00:22:58,603 It's, like, they cut to him a lot in that movie... 374 00:22:58,677 --> 00:23:02,169 ...and it's 'cause he's got the stakes... 375 00:23:02,247 --> 00:23:05,148 ...and Lumet needs that to get the audience revved up. 376 00:23:05,217 --> 00:23:07,879 There's just something in that face... 377 00:23:07,953 --> 00:23:11,855 ...that takes you into an area... 378 00:23:11,923 --> 00:23:15,086 ...that's very dark, personally dark... 379 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,287 ...and heartbroken. 380 00:23:17,362 --> 00:23:21,799 There isn't a sadder character than Sal in Dog Day Afternoon. 381 00:23:21,867 --> 00:23:23,528 And yet he's hilarious. 382 00:23:23,602 --> 00:23:25,763 Sal. Sal! 383 00:23:25,837 --> 00:23:27,168 - What? - Where are you? 384 00:23:27,239 --> 00:23:29,639 And it's not about funny lines at all. 385 00:23:29,708 --> 00:23:34,839 It's just from the haircut to... Everything about it is comic. 386 00:23:36,047 --> 00:23:38,777 Now, you gotta understand somethin'. 387 00:23:38,850 --> 00:23:41,284 If we leave the country, there's no comin' back here. 388 00:23:41,353 --> 00:23:44,516 One of the funniest moments in the movie was completely unexpected... 389 00:23:44,589 --> 00:23:46,079 was an improvised moment. 390 00:23:46,158 --> 00:23:48,991 Is there any special country you want to go to? 391 00:23:52,464 --> 00:23:53,954 Wyoming. 392 00:23:56,001 --> 00:23:58,492 No, Wyoming, that's not a country. 393 00:23:59,838 --> 00:24:01,772 That's all right. I'm gonna take care of it. 394 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,205 I don't know where that came from. 395 00:24:03,275 --> 00:24:07,211 I know that the take was almost ruined because I started to laugh. 396 00:24:07,279 --> 00:24:09,611 But I, thank God, didn't wreck the soundtrack. 397 00:24:09,681 --> 00:24:11,615 And Al almost broke up. 398 00:24:11,683 --> 00:24:15,346 You know, that's a laugh if you want to get a laugh there. 399 00:24:16,455 --> 00:24:19,117 He would no more go for that, you know. 400 00:24:19,191 --> 00:24:22,160 And so because of that, instead... 401 00:24:22,227 --> 00:24:26,288 ...he goes past the stage of "Ha-ha! Wyoming. That's not a country." 402 00:24:26,364 --> 00:24:28,298 He goes past that... 403 00:24:28,366 --> 00:24:30,596 ...and you are forced... 404 00:24:30,669 --> 00:24:34,127 ...into this sort of anxiety... 405 00:24:34,206 --> 00:24:36,265 ...and sorrow for the guy. 406 00:24:36,341 --> 00:24:40,334 Even in the funniest characters that he played... 407 00:24:40,412 --> 00:24:44,974 ...there was always something tragic in it. 408 00:24:46,017 --> 00:24:49,248 And even in the most tragic characters... 409 00:24:49,321 --> 00:24:51,414 ...there was always something very funny. 410 00:24:51,490 --> 00:24:53,856 The character he's creating, I believe... 411 00:24:53,925 --> 00:24:56,826 ...is not necessarily something... 412 00:24:56,895 --> 00:25:00,058 ...that the director or the writer envisioned. 413 00:25:00,131 --> 00:25:02,224 I think what he brought to it ultimately... 414 00:25:02,300 --> 00:25:05,599 was something that surprised the hell out of everyone on the day it happened. 415 00:25:05,670 --> 00:25:09,128 Yeah, you'd start a scene, and it would never start. 416 00:25:09,207 --> 00:25:10,868 That was the beauty of it. 417 00:25:10,942 --> 00:25:13,274 You realized, don't start, there's no such thing. 418 00:25:13,345 --> 00:25:16,178 It just is a continuum. Everything is a continuum. 419 00:25:16,248 --> 00:25:18,944 And so he would just say... 420 00:25:20,318 --> 00:25:23,981 "What'd you do today, Al?" After I just said a line to him. 421 00:25:24,055 --> 00:25:28,151 "You seem like you... You said you were gonna go to so-and-so..." 422 00:25:28,226 --> 00:25:31,821 And he would get you there, and you would just do this dance... 423 00:25:31,897 --> 00:25:33,831 ...until you found your way... 424 00:25:33,899 --> 00:25:36,766 ...and then the improvisations would start. 425 00:25:36,835 --> 00:25:39,804 And then the improvisations would go, and when they started... 426 00:25:39,871 --> 00:25:43,238 ...to connect to what the reality of the scene was... 427 00:25:43,308 --> 00:25:45,037 ...he'd start the scene. 428 00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:48,739 God, it was just glorious. It was glorious. 429 00:25:48,813 --> 00:25:52,044 I've seen a ton of actors around John... 430 00:25:52,117 --> 00:25:54,244 ...just give it a couple of minutes... 431 00:25:54,319 --> 00:25:56,879 ...and you just see them go, "Holy shit. What's that? 432 00:25:56,955 --> 00:25:58,889 What's he doing? How does he do that?" 433 00:25:58,957 --> 00:26:01,187 - No! - What's the matter with you? 434 00:26:01,259 --> 00:26:03,193 You made me a promise, didn't you? 435 00:26:03,261 --> 00:26:05,195 - Did you promise me something? - Yeah. 436 00:26:05,263 --> 00:26:08,357 Did you say," Either we get away clean or we kill ourselves"? 437 00:26:08,433 --> 00:26:11,994 - Did you say that? Did you or not? - I'm not talking about that. 438 00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:13,731 Do you believe in keeping your promises? 439 00:26:13,805 --> 00:26:15,067 - Yeah. - Then does it still go? 440 00:26:15,140 --> 00:26:17,438 - Yes. - What the fuck are you talkin' about? 441 00:26:17,509 --> 00:26:20,501 Other actors either rose to the occasion or they didn't. 442 00:26:20,579 --> 00:26:22,240 Pacino definitely did. 443 00:26:22,314 --> 00:26:25,078 I think Al is one of the great actors of my generation... 444 00:26:25,150 --> 00:26:27,516 ...and John gets a big assist. 445 00:26:27,586 --> 00:26:29,884 He constantly made him better and better. 446 00:26:29,955 --> 00:26:34,255 He was inspiring. You just got inspired by it. 447 00:26:34,326 --> 00:26:36,794 So you did it. He made you better. 448 00:26:41,032 --> 00:26:44,092 You know, John, in his short life... 449 00:26:44,169 --> 00:26:47,400 ...had some of the most beautiful women as girlfriends... 450 00:26:47,472 --> 00:26:49,201 ...on the face of the planet. 451 00:26:49,274 --> 00:26:52,903 He always seemed to have nice girlfriends. That's a good credit for him. 452 00:26:52,978 --> 00:26:55,037 And he wasn't... 453 00:26:55,113 --> 00:26:57,741 He looked like Saint Francis of Assisi. 454 00:26:57,816 --> 00:27:01,115 He wasn't exactly a lady-killer... 455 00:27:01,186 --> 00:27:03,746 ...but there was something about him. 456 00:27:03,822 --> 00:27:07,053 We all tried to study it and imitate it... 457 00:27:07,125 --> 00:27:09,719 ...but we could never really catch on. 458 00:27:09,794 --> 00:27:12,957 I rememberJohn telling me once, when I had been away... 459 00:27:13,031 --> 00:27:17,468 This is after we had made Dog Day together and Godfather. 460 00:27:17,535 --> 00:27:19,526 Coming to Manhattan and telling me... 461 00:27:19,604 --> 00:27:21,196 "Oh, man. 462 00:27:21,272 --> 00:27:26,073 I have met the greatest actress in the history of the world." 463 00:27:26,144 --> 00:27:28,237 You know, I said,"Really?" 464 00:27:28,313 --> 00:27:33,307 He said," Yeah, she's with me in the park in Measure for Measure." 465 00:27:33,385 --> 00:27:37,481 I said,"Really?" I thought, well, this is a guy...He's in love. 466 00:27:39,424 --> 00:27:42,587 How good can she be? She can't be what he's saying. 467 00:27:42,661 --> 00:27:45,357 And sure enough, it was Meryl Streep, so he was right. 468 00:27:48,533 --> 00:27:50,194 You could see the sparks. 469 00:27:50,268 --> 00:27:53,203 You can tell those two were attracted to each other if you look... 470 00:27:53,271 --> 00:27:55,205 what's going on that stage. 471 00:27:55,273 --> 00:27:58,174 I was very... It was like an aura around them. 472 00:27:58,243 --> 00:28:00,177 It was sexy. 473 00:28:02,547 --> 00:28:06,483 He wasn't like anybody else. He wasn't like anybody I'd ever met. 474 00:28:06,551 --> 00:28:08,815 It was the specificity of him... 475 00:28:08,887 --> 00:28:13,517 ...and his sort of humanity... 476 00:28:13,591 --> 00:28:17,049 ...and his curiosity about people... 477 00:28:17,128 --> 00:28:19,255 ...his compassion. 478 00:28:19,330 --> 00:28:21,355 Oh, my God. He fell madly in love with Meryl. 479 00:28:21,433 --> 00:28:24,994 He was besotted with her. 480 00:28:26,504 --> 00:28:30,964 I mean, she was just mad for him, and he was mad for her. 481 00:28:31,042 --> 00:28:34,136 They had found each other. 482 00:28:36,915 --> 00:28:39,247 He was a sensualist too... you know, John. 483 00:28:39,317 --> 00:28:40,807 Very much so. 484 00:28:40,885 --> 00:28:44,480 You eat a meal with him, I mean, you'd be done, finished... 485 00:28:44,556 --> 00:28:48,048 washed and in bed before he got halfway through his meal. 486 00:28:48,126 --> 00:28:50,788 He took his time with stuff... 487 00:28:50,862 --> 00:28:53,160 ...and it sometimes drove people nuts. 488 00:28:53,231 --> 00:28:55,222 Then the cigar would come out. 489 00:28:56,434 --> 00:28:59,164 He'd light it, look at it, taste it... 490 00:28:59,237 --> 00:29:00,898 ...then finally smoke it. 491 00:29:00,972 --> 00:29:06,274 It took him a real long time to leave the house, to lock the car. 492 00:29:06,344 --> 00:29:09,313 We had just gotten a big color television. It was a big event. 493 00:29:09,380 --> 00:29:12,042 And John said," I'm gonna get the color right for you." 494 00:29:12,117 --> 00:29:14,108 And he came over about 9:00. 495 00:29:14,185 --> 00:29:18,417 About 1:00 in the morning, John was still adjusting the knobs... 496 00:29:18,490 --> 00:29:21,482 ...on the television meticulously. 497 00:29:21,559 --> 00:29:24,392 I mean, I didn't even see what he was doing, but that was John. 498 00:29:24,462 --> 00:29:27,693 I don't think what a lot people know about him is how funny he was. 499 00:29:27,766 --> 00:29:29,700 He was a very funny man. 500 00:29:29,768 --> 00:29:33,534 And he had a laugh. Did anyone describe his laugh to you? 501 00:29:33,605 --> 00:29:35,402 He was spontaneous. He had a great laugh. 502 00:29:37,809 --> 00:29:39,606 Stan? 503 00:29:39,677 --> 00:29:42,202 Yeah, that was John. 504 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,248 He smoked cigarettes, too, as you saw in that photo. 505 00:29:44,315 --> 00:29:47,045 He liked cigars. He and my husband would smoke all night. 506 00:29:47,118 --> 00:29:48,847 My apartment just stunk. 507 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,582 They smoked so many cigarettes in that apartment. 508 00:29:53,658 --> 00:29:57,560 He was sharing a place with Meryl on Franklin Street. 509 00:29:57,629 --> 00:29:59,961 And we... 510 00:30:00,031 --> 00:30:05,025 I remember the three of us went to Chinatown for lunch one day. 511 00:30:05,103 --> 00:30:07,867 And at a certain point down there... 512 00:30:07,939 --> 00:30:12,069 John stopped and started spitting up blood in the gutter. 513 00:30:15,046 --> 00:30:18,379 That's when I found out, that he finally said he had lung cancer. 514 00:30:19,751 --> 00:30:25,189 And that's when I just lost it totally at that point, you know. 515 00:30:25,256 --> 00:30:26,848 I felt... 516 00:30:33,231 --> 00:30:37,258 You know, he had, obviously, this terrible diagnosis... 517 00:30:37,335 --> 00:30:38,996 ...but he was strong... 518 00:30:39,070 --> 00:30:44,064 ...so there was definitely a lot of hope all along the way. 519 00:30:44,142 --> 00:30:46,542 I thought, he's gonna be all right. They can operate on that. 520 00:30:46,611 --> 00:30:48,545 They can take care of him. 521 00:30:48,613 --> 00:30:52,049 John always looked sick, you know? I mean, he never looked really healthy. 522 00:30:52,116 --> 00:30:55,347 So I thought, well, he doesn't look any different than he ever did... 523 00:30:55,420 --> 00:30:57,149 ...so he's gonna be fine. 524 00:30:57,222 --> 00:31:00,988 I remember this visit he had to the doctor. 525 00:31:01,059 --> 00:31:04,927 I remember waiting in the waiting room when he went in to see the doctor. 526 00:31:04,996 --> 00:31:09,865 It was always, "Well, we're gonna get this thing." 527 00:31:10,869 --> 00:31:13,963 All I got from him was, "I'm gonna beat this. 528 00:31:14,038 --> 00:31:16,131 I'm gonna beat this. I'm gonna beat this." 529 00:31:16,207 --> 00:31:19,768 And one conversation about... 530 00:31:19,844 --> 00:31:21,812 "Will they let me work?" 531 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,640 And then they were putting together The Deer Hunter. 532 00:31:24,716 --> 00:31:26,741 It's gonna be all right, Nicky. Go ahead, shoot! 533 00:31:26,818 --> 00:31:28,843 Shoot, Nicky! 534 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,889 I learned about when Michael and I were meeting with actors... 535 00:31:31,956 --> 00:31:34,186 ...and I was reading with some actors. 536 00:31:34,259 --> 00:31:37,251 At one point, he wanted to useJohn... 537 00:31:37,328 --> 00:31:40,058 ...and there was an issue about his being not well. 538 00:31:40,131 --> 00:31:45,091 John Cazale had already been diagnosed with cancer and was uninsurable. 539 00:31:45,169 --> 00:31:49,799 Obviously, if you die halfway through giving your performance... 540 00:31:49,874 --> 00:31:52,069 ...it's gonna cost a great deal of money to recast you. 541 00:31:52,143 --> 00:31:56,842 And Bob De Niro went to bat forJohn. 542 00:31:56,915 --> 00:32:02,148 He won't tell me, because he's a very generous person... 543 00:32:02,220 --> 00:32:07,214 ...but I think he secured the bond on John's participation. 544 00:32:07,292 --> 00:32:09,522 He was sicker than we thought... 545 00:32:09,594 --> 00:32:12,085 ...but I wanted him to be in it. 546 00:32:12,163 --> 00:32:16,532 So Bob put his money down and got him in the film. 547 00:32:16,601 --> 00:32:20,469 And he was great in the movie. I mean, he was just beautiful in it. 548 00:32:20,538 --> 00:32:23,166 - Hey, Stosh! - Hey! 549 00:32:23,241 --> 00:32:25,641 - Hey! Look at this! - How ya doin'? 550 00:32:25,710 --> 00:32:29,146 - Hey, Michael. - Hey! Mikey! Hey, man. How you doin'? 551 00:32:29,213 --> 00:32:32,148 - Hey, where was you? Where was you? - What do you mean? Where were you? 552 00:32:32,216 --> 00:32:34,480 Where was you? We had everything all set there. 553 00:32:34,552 --> 00:32:36,747 - The beer. Right, Axel? Am I right? - Right. 554 00:32:36,821 --> 00:32:39,153 You got a mustache. 555 00:32:39,223 --> 00:32:41,157 - Yeah. - Hey, it looks pretty good. 556 00:32:41,225 --> 00:32:45,958 I think it's very clear that his talents were getting richer with every movie. 557 00:32:46,030 --> 00:32:49,966 Whether it was intuition or he was consciously doing it, I don't really know. 558 00:32:50,034 --> 00:32:53,993 But he was alive and free to create that character. 559 00:32:54,072 --> 00:32:55,903 I remember watching that movie. 560 00:32:55,974 --> 00:32:58,340 I just felt like I was there in that town with these guys. 561 00:32:58,409 --> 00:33:00,172 I didn't feel like they were acting. 562 00:33:01,112 --> 00:33:02,773 Anybody see my boots? 563 00:33:02,847 --> 00:33:06,544 He's saying," Lend me your boots. Lend me your boots." 564 00:33:06,617 --> 00:33:09,108 And De Niro's, like,"No, man." 565 00:33:09,187 --> 00:33:11,348 Hey, Mike, let me borrow your spares. 566 00:33:11,422 --> 00:33:14,357 - Your extra pair. - No, Stan. 567 00:33:14,425 --> 00:33:17,622 - What do you mean, no? - Just what I said. No. No means no. 568 00:33:19,864 --> 00:33:21,832 Some fuckin' friend. You're some fuckin' friend. 569 00:33:21,899 --> 00:33:23,332 You gotta learn, Stanley. 570 00:33:23,401 --> 00:33:26,131 Every time you come up here, you got your goddamn head up your ass. 571 00:33:26,204 --> 00:33:28,263 Maybe he likes the view from up there. 572 00:33:28,339 --> 00:33:32,105 He says," Stan, you see this? This is this." 573 00:33:32,176 --> 00:33:35,976 This is this. This ain't somethin' else. This is this. 574 00:33:36,047 --> 00:33:37,981 From now on, you're on your own. 575 00:33:38,049 --> 00:33:40,813 You know your trouble? Nobody ever knows what the fuck you're talking about. 576 00:33:40,885 --> 00:33:44,150 "This is this." What the hell is that supposed to mean?"This is this." 577 00:33:44,222 --> 00:33:48,556 You can watch the movie and the scenes that he's in and just watch him... 578 00:33:48,626 --> 00:33:52,118 ...and be thoroughly entertained or really moved. 579 00:33:52,196 --> 00:33:56,189 The scene where he's looking in the reflection of the window... 580 00:33:56,267 --> 00:34:00,101 ...and he's checking his corsage, he's looking at his hair. 581 00:34:02,140 --> 00:34:04,472 He's going like this, and he goes... 582 00:34:04,542 --> 00:34:05,873 "Beautiful." 583 00:34:07,045 --> 00:34:08,205 Beautiful. 584 00:34:08,279 --> 00:34:11,339 What I like, all the little moments, like in the wedding scene. 585 00:34:11,416 --> 00:34:13,976 He crosses himself... 586 00:34:14,052 --> 00:34:16,316 ...and De Niro kind of looks at him like... 587 00:34:16,387 --> 00:34:18,548 "What, are you, like, religious all of a sudden?" 588 00:34:18,623 --> 00:34:22,650 Or later, there's a little scene where the gown passes them... 589 00:34:23,594 --> 00:34:26,563 ...and he tries to step on the gown, you know, or somethin'. 590 00:34:27,565 --> 00:34:29,192 Just, like, these little things. 591 00:34:29,267 --> 00:34:32,668 He does this thing where he kind of looks down at himself... 592 00:34:32,737 --> 00:34:35,763 ...then he kind of looks at her, and he raises his eyebrows. 593 00:34:36,774 --> 00:34:40,505 And then he checks to see if his zipper's open. 594 00:34:40,578 --> 00:34:43,741 It was such a brilliant little moment... funny. 595 00:34:43,815 --> 00:34:46,750 Certain actors maybe will push it too much... 596 00:34:46,818 --> 00:34:49,309 ...or they're over the top... 597 00:34:49,387 --> 00:34:52,447 ...or under, or not knowing kind of what they're doing. 598 00:34:52,523 --> 00:34:55,492 I never felt that with John. We always had a good give and take. 599 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,586 He was real, and we could react... 600 00:34:58,663 --> 00:35:02,793 ...and there was no forced kind of"acting" from John... 601 00:35:02,867 --> 00:35:06,769 ...so you could relate and interact... 602 00:35:09,140 --> 00:35:12,041 ...in a very solid way. 603 00:35:12,110 --> 00:35:14,101 He's a really diligent person. 604 00:35:14,178 --> 00:35:17,670 He works extremely hard... 605 00:35:17,748 --> 00:35:21,309 ...for supporting other people and their effort by being involved with it. 606 00:35:21,385 --> 00:35:23,945 It was a work process that was constant. 607 00:35:24,021 --> 00:35:26,353 We would talk about the process endlessly... 608 00:35:26,424 --> 00:35:29,951 ...and he was monomaniacal about the work. 609 00:35:30,027 --> 00:35:32,587 I think probably I was more glib... 610 00:35:34,232 --> 00:35:38,191 ...and ready to pick the first idea that came to me. 611 00:35:38,269 --> 00:35:41,329 And he would say, "There's a lot of other possibilities." 612 00:35:41,405 --> 00:35:43,873 And that was a real lesson. 613 00:35:43,941 --> 00:35:47,502 I really took that to heart, and I always think about it. 614 00:35:47,578 --> 00:35:49,569 I know Nick will be back soon. 615 00:35:50,815 --> 00:35:53,147 I know Nick. He'll be comin' back too. 616 00:35:54,652 --> 00:35:56,017 Right, Axel? 617 00:35:56,087 --> 00:35:58,021 Whatever he was going through with his illness... 618 00:35:58,089 --> 00:36:00,580 ...it did not take a millimeter... 619 00:36:00,658 --> 00:36:03,821 ...off his abilities to deliver that character. 620 00:36:03,895 --> 00:36:06,261 I mean, he was just great in Deer Hunter. 621 00:36:06,330 --> 00:36:09,060 But being in a movie was the smallest part... 622 00:36:09,133 --> 00:36:14,503 ...of the tricky part of that landscape of our lives. 623 00:36:14,572 --> 00:36:16,836 I mean, it was really tough. 624 00:36:16,908 --> 00:36:19,001 And nobody really knew... 625 00:36:19,076 --> 00:36:22,307 whether these protocols would work. 626 00:36:22,380 --> 00:36:25,543 But we were always very, very hopeful... 627 00:36:25,616 --> 00:36:27,777 ...that everything would work out well. 628 00:36:37,461 --> 00:36:41,158 The most amazing thing to see was Meryl during all of this... 629 00:36:41,232 --> 00:36:44,963 ...and the way she was with him by his side... 630 00:36:45,036 --> 00:36:47,004 ...right through the whole thing. 631 00:36:47,071 --> 00:36:50,507 Meryl, she was with him to the end... at the hospital at the end. 632 00:36:50,575 --> 00:36:53,066 She was an angel. She was. 633 00:36:53,144 --> 00:36:55,271 I so admired how she behaved. 634 00:36:55,346 --> 00:36:58,440 It was very beautiful. 635 00:36:58,516 --> 00:37:00,507 He was a very fortunate guy... 636 00:37:00,585 --> 00:37:04,043 ...to have someone who loved him that much during his last days. 637 00:37:04,121 --> 00:37:06,954 When I saw that girl there with him like that... 638 00:37:07,024 --> 00:37:10,016 I thought,"There's nothing like that." 639 00:37:10,094 --> 00:37:13,655 I mean, that's it for me. 640 00:37:13,731 --> 00:37:17,292 As great as she is in all her work... 641 00:37:17,368 --> 00:37:20,166 ...that's what I think of when I think of her...That moment. 642 00:37:20,238 --> 00:37:22,229 That's what I think of. 643 00:37:32,516 --> 00:37:35,076 He was such a special human being... 644 00:37:35,152 --> 00:37:39,020 ...and a uniquely talented actor. 645 00:37:40,124 --> 00:37:43,890 His compassion for his people that he was portraying... 646 00:37:43,961 --> 00:37:48,455 ...and the sort of responsibility he felt to a fictional character... 647 00:37:48,532 --> 00:37:50,466 ...as if it were a real soul... 648 00:37:50,534 --> 00:37:54,231 ...that made him go that deep into his characters... 649 00:37:54,305 --> 00:37:56,967 ...and do beautiful, beautiful work. 650 00:38:07,051 --> 00:38:08,609 Forty-two years old. 651 00:38:08,686 --> 00:38:11,314 He now would be, what, 72. Thirty years. 652 00:38:11,389 --> 00:38:13,619 Imagine all the work... 653 00:38:13,691 --> 00:38:16,660 ...the incredible work he would have done in these 30 years. 654 00:38:21,999 --> 00:38:24,763 "His whole life plays and replays as film... 655 00:38:24,835 --> 00:38:27,668 ...in our picture houses, in our dreams. 656 00:38:27,738 --> 00:38:31,640 He leaves us, his loving audience, a memory of his great calm... 657 00:38:31,709 --> 00:38:35,008 ...his quiet waiting, his love of high music... 658 00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:37,172 ...his love of low jokes... 659 00:38:37,248 --> 00:38:40,547 ...the absurd edge of forest that was his hairline... 660 00:38:40,618 --> 00:38:43,951 ...the slice of watermelon that was his smile. 661 00:38:44,021 --> 00:38:46,012 He is unforgettable." 662 00:38:49,927 --> 00:38:52,054 He is unforgettable. 663 00:39:05,142 --> 00:39:07,633 I had a really weird experience. 664 00:39:07,712 --> 00:39:09,339 Surreal. 665 00:39:09,413 --> 00:39:12,644 I did a voice on The Simpsons... 666 00:39:12,717 --> 00:39:15,311 where I played a bank robber. 667 00:39:15,386 --> 00:39:17,980 So I'm watching The Simpsons when it aired... 668 00:39:18,055 --> 00:39:19,886 ...and my partner... 669 00:39:19,957 --> 00:39:22,357 ...they did a likeness ofJohn Cazale. 670 00:39:23,027 --> 00:39:27,396 I was, like, humbled. I was, like,"Oh, my God. I'm acting with John." 671 00:39:27,465 --> 00:39:30,457 I don't know. I really felt proud, you know? 672 00:39:30,534 --> 00:39:32,297 It was, like, hey, I really did... 673 00:39:32,370 --> 00:39:35,601 I really did become an actor, and this proves it, you know? 55868

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