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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,162 WWW.MY-SUBS.CO 1 00:00:06,381 --> 00:00:09,339 So, abuse is a made up human construct. 2 00:00:09,422 --> 00:00:12,714 As much as I thought this was a curriculum for growth, 3 00:00:12,798 --> 00:00:14,381 it's really just a weapon. 4 00:00:15,172 --> 00:00:17,839 Everything was designed to protect him. 5 00:00:18,506 --> 00:00:20,506 I got played, and I helped this guy build 6 00:00:20,589 --> 00:00:22,381 whatever he was building around him. 7 00:00:22,881 --> 00:00:24,089 And I was a part of that. 8 00:00:24,673 --> 00:00:29,297 We didn't join a cult! Nobody joins a cult. 9 00:00:29,798 --> 00:00:30,756 Nobody! 10 00:00:31,255 --> 00:00:35,422 How we illustrate human nobility is to get rid of 11 00:00:35,506 --> 00:00:38,464 the concept of victim like that. 12 00:00:39,214 --> 00:00:42,422 They may be assigning an FBI taskforce. 13 00:00:43,005 --> 00:00:44,798 They wanna speak to witnesses immediately. 14 00:00:45,464 --> 00:00:47,756 I just had my meeting with the FBI today. 15 00:00:48,172 --> 00:00:49,756 I gave them all my evidence. 16 00:00:50,339 --> 00:00:51,464 Tell the truth. 17 00:00:55,547 --> 00:00:58,005 Good people do bad things all the time. 18 00:01:04,589 --> 00:01:06,881 - Yeah, you're right. - Oh, move the camera? 19 00:01:06,964 --> 00:01:09,464 Yeah, move the camera, just a little bit. 20 00:01:11,964 --> 00:01:14,798 - So, you want me to... - Yeah. 21 00:01:14,881 --> 00:01:17,005 Okay, I, I wrote a fable once, 22 00:01:17,089 --> 00:01:20,339 that started that there was a mighty king 23 00:01:20,422 --> 00:01:23,172 that took over, uh, a culture, 24 00:01:23,255 --> 00:01:26,547 and this king used torture and fear 25 00:01:26,631 --> 00:01:29,214 to create obedience. 26 00:01:29,297 --> 00:01:30,839 And over time, 27 00:01:30,923 --> 00:01:34,756 people found that if they just obeyed what the king said, 28 00:01:34,839 --> 00:01:36,964 there was peace across the land. 29 00:01:37,047 --> 00:01:40,464 But what they sacrificed for that was their traditions, 30 00:01:40,547 --> 00:01:42,923 their customs, and all of their identity. 31 00:01:43,005 --> 00:01:46,839 So they just became a group of slaves, almost like cattle, 32 00:01:46,923 --> 00:01:49,673 that were used by the king. 33 00:01:49,756 --> 00:01:53,089 The threat of violence was enough to keep social order. 34 00:01:53,172 --> 00:01:56,631 But if the king went and killed everyone, 35 00:01:56,714 --> 00:01:58,673 then he would have to do all the work. 36 00:01:58,756 --> 00:02:02,422 So, the people who are being victimized 37 00:02:02,506 --> 00:02:04,047 have a certain power. 38 00:02:04,130 --> 00:02:06,964 And they can stand against the king. 39 00:02:07,047 --> 00:02:09,923 And even though the king has all sorts of weapons that they don't have, 40 00:02:10,005 --> 00:02:12,005 and all sorts of violence that they don't have, 41 00:02:12,089 --> 00:02:15,214 ultimately, they would likely prevail. 42 00:02:25,964 --> 00:02:28,130 ♪ Days we were young ♪ 43 00:02:28,214 --> 00:02:34,089 ♪ we took photographs of everything we could see ♪ 44 00:02:34,172 --> 00:02:37,506 ♪ we had to run from it ♪ 45 00:02:37,589 --> 00:02:39,339 ♪ priest and prophetess ♪ 46 00:02:39,422 --> 00:02:44,422 ♪ we were nothing we would defy ♪ 47 00:02:45,381 --> 00:02:49,464 ♪ oh, invisible skin ♪ 48 00:02:49,547 --> 00:02:52,589 ♪ where is the world within ♪ 49 00:02:53,297 --> 00:02:55,506 ♪ invincible skin ♪ 50 00:02:55,589 --> 00:02:58,589 ♪ it's how we all begin ♪ 51 00:03:16,673 --> 00:03:18,381 Frank. 52 00:03:21,422 --> 00:03:23,089 Okay. 53 00:03:23,172 --> 00:03:24,589 Yeah. 54 00:04:27,005 --> 00:04:29,214 As of, uh, right now, 55 00:04:29,297 --> 00:04:32,381 our beloved Vanguard was in Monterrey. 56 00:04:32,464 --> 00:04:37,798 And I have a picture coming with confirmation, so wait for it. 57 00:04:37,881 --> 00:04:39,714 He's on the run. 58 00:04:39,798 --> 00:04:41,589 Show us the picture. Can you hold it up? 59 00:04:41,673 --> 00:04:43,547 Uh, yeah. 60 00:04:44,506 --> 00:04:46,381 So, the picture. 61 00:04:46,464 --> 00:04:48,547 That's Keith Raniere right there. 62 00:04:50,589 --> 00:04:52,714 And that was today, 63 00:04:52,798 --> 00:04:54,506 in Mexico. 64 00:04:54,589 --> 00:04:56,923 Then I'd like to call the FBI and the police and tell them, 65 00:04:57,005 --> 00:04:58,381 "this is what we've heard's happening. 66 00:04:58,464 --> 00:05:01,297 "So, if you guys are serious about any of this, 67 00:05:01,381 --> 00:05:02,798 "you're about to lose your shot, 68 00:05:02,881 --> 00:05:07,339 because there's thousands of loyal ESP-ians in Mexico." 69 00:05:07,422 --> 00:05:10,506 The children of very influential families 70 00:05:10,589 --> 00:05:13,005 are running the center down there. 71 00:05:13,089 --> 00:05:14,631 You know, like, Emiliano Salinas. 72 00:05:14,714 --> 00:05:16,798 He is the son of one of the ex-presidents. 73 00:05:16,881 --> 00:05:19,631 He's sort of like the JFK Jr. of Mexico. 74 00:05:19,714 --> 00:05:22,714 And so Keith had a lot of political clout there. 75 00:05:36,798 --> 00:05:39,172 Greg? 76 00:05:40,089 --> 00:05:43,506 Hi, little pup. Aw! 77 00:05:43,589 --> 00:05:47,506 I mean, he's got a lot of power around him down there. 78 00:05:47,589 --> 00:05:50,339 And they've moved all their classes to Mexico? 79 00:05:50,422 --> 00:05:52,589 So, we're in a tricky spot, because 80 00:05:52,673 --> 00:05:56,381 law enforcement has said, "stop. Don't do any more shit." And we're like... 81 00:05:57,422 --> 00:05:59,589 It's a, it's a waiting game. 82 00:05:59,673 --> 00:06:02,214 So didn't he have houses and offices 83 00:06:02,297 --> 00:06:04,255 and stuff like that in, um, Albany? 84 00:06:04,339 --> 00:06:06,172 Yeah. All in other people's names. 85 00:06:06,255 --> 00:06:07,714 - Yeah. - Many of them are... 86 00:06:07,798 --> 00:06:09,839 The houses are quiet and shuttered now. 87 00:06:09,923 --> 00:06:12,581 - So, all of that got disrupted. - Yeah. 88 00:06:12,581 --> 00:06:13,964 There's still some diehards there. 89 00:06:14,047 --> 00:06:16,381 Like India? Is she one of the diehards that are over there? 90 00:06:16,464 --> 00:06:17,544 Yeah. 91 00:06:17,544 --> 00:06:19,963 She's here. I'm seeing her this afternoon. 92 00:06:19,963 --> 00:06:21,798 But she's not here recruiting people. 93 00:06:21,881 --> 00:06:23,339 We don't know. 94 00:06:23,422 --> 00:06:26,089 She's meeting with me today at three o'clock. 95 00:06:26,172 --> 00:06:28,297 Well, and, and right now, 96 00:06:28,381 --> 00:06:31,089 she's got such blinders on that, 97 00:06:31,172 --> 00:06:33,673 she's not questioning anything except for you. 98 00:06:33,756 --> 00:06:36,381 Correct. Shit. What do I do if she's going... 99 00:06:36,464 --> 00:06:38,422 If she goes to Mexico? 100 00:06:38,506 --> 00:06:40,339 You just continually... 101 00:06:40,422 --> 00:06:43,506 It's the same way. It's kind of like a reverse brainwash. 102 00:06:43,589 --> 00:06:46,673 You just continually play the message over to her, 103 00:06:46,756 --> 00:06:48,547 till one day maybe she hears it. 104 00:06:48,631 --> 00:06:50,130 And the message is? 105 00:06:50,214 --> 00:06:52,047 Well, tell her to stop doing weird shit. 106 00:06:52,130 --> 00:06:53,673 Okay. 107 00:06:53,756 --> 00:06:56,291 You know? 108 00:06:57,255 --> 00:06:59,169 "Stop doing..." 109 00:06:59,169 --> 00:07:03,005 Yeah. If you're doing weird shit, people want to hear about it. 110 00:07:03,964 --> 00:07:05,964 Well, you ask questions that 111 00:07:06,047 --> 00:07:08,297 she would have to think about now. 112 00:07:08,381 --> 00:07:09,923 Why is he in Mexico? 113 00:07:10,005 --> 00:07:11,547 Why are the houses shuttered? 114 00:07:11,631 --> 00:07:14,756 - Yeah. - Why is the FBI investigating him? 115 00:07:14,839 --> 00:07:17,506 Doesn't it seem a little odd that a guy who's 116 00:07:17,589 --> 00:07:19,839 on the up-and-up and doing good business 117 00:07:19,923 --> 00:07:22,297 and helping people and doing the right thing 118 00:07:22,381 --> 00:07:24,130 has to move to Mexico? 119 00:07:29,422 --> 00:07:32,547 So, 2000 and... 120 00:07:33,839 --> 00:07:36,172 I think nine, was when... 121 00:07:37,381 --> 00:07:39,964 A number of the Mexicans spoke to him at v week 122 00:07:40,047 --> 00:07:42,422 and said, you know, "we are under enormous, 123 00:07:42,506 --> 00:07:44,547 "uh, fear in our country. 124 00:07:44,631 --> 00:07:46,589 "You know, we're being kidnapped, 125 00:07:46,673 --> 00:07:49,964 kidnapping is a business. You know, we don't know what to do." 126 00:07:50,047 --> 00:07:52,297 And Keith said, "I can solve this." 127 00:07:52,381 --> 00:07:55,255 Keith called all the Mexicans together and sat and spoke to them, 128 00:07:55,339 --> 00:07:57,130 and I recorded all those conversations. 129 00:08:03,631 --> 00:08:04,798 Good to see you. 130 00:08:04,881 --> 00:08:06,631 - Marquitos. - Yes! 131 00:08:09,381 --> 00:08:11,756 It's interesting, because when I was express kidnapped, 132 00:08:11,839 --> 00:08:14,756 I asked a lot of questions, and I had a conversation with these guys. 133 00:08:14,839 --> 00:08:18,214 Uh, and for them at least, my impression was, 134 00:08:18,297 --> 00:08:20,756 that they go into their business, like, 135 00:08:20,839 --> 00:08:23,631 like they tell their wives, you know, "I'm going to work." 136 00:08:23,714 --> 00:08:26,673 NXIVM Mexico, I mean, it just, it basically seemed like 137 00:08:26,756 --> 00:08:29,339 they lived in some kind of rarefied air. 138 00:08:29,422 --> 00:08:30,923 A lot of money. 139 00:08:31,005 --> 00:08:32,589 And even in the mission statement, 140 00:08:32,673 --> 00:08:35,339 it talks about reaching the most influential, powerful, you know, 141 00:08:35,422 --> 00:08:38,172 wealthiest people, blah, blah, in the world because... 142 00:08:38,255 --> 00:08:40,839 If you go and try and give this education 143 00:08:40,923 --> 00:08:43,089 to the people that have zero influence, 144 00:08:43,172 --> 00:08:44,547 the lowest laborers, 145 00:08:44,631 --> 00:08:48,339 they have no influence over society at all. 146 00:08:48,422 --> 00:08:51,339 The only sustainable way to change a society 147 00:08:51,422 --> 00:08:54,464 is the wealthiest, most powerful people 148 00:08:54,547 --> 00:08:55,673 needed this education. 149 00:08:55,756 --> 00:08:59,214 And that would trickle down to everything else. 150 00:09:00,297 --> 00:09:02,130 I think part of the problem here 151 00:09:02,214 --> 00:09:04,881 is that you guys are numb to your own condition. 152 00:09:04,964 --> 00:09:08,547 Class neutrality is one of the biggest problems in Mexico. 153 00:09:08,631 --> 00:09:12,255 It's one of the things that's generating a lot of fear, if you will. 154 00:09:12,339 --> 00:09:14,798 The entitlement of the poor to take from the rich, 155 00:09:14,881 --> 00:09:16,756 and the fear of the poor that they're, 156 00:09:16,839 --> 00:09:19,047 they're nothing. Oblivion. 157 00:09:19,130 --> 00:09:22,214 And the fear of the rich that they've gotten their riches for no reason 158 00:09:22,297 --> 00:09:24,464 and really, they don't deserve them, either. 159 00:09:24,547 --> 00:09:26,881 I want you to imagine a $10 bill. 160 00:09:26,964 --> 00:09:29,631 Do you know what that $10 bill means? 161 00:09:32,297 --> 00:09:36,089 Some person in Mexico is probably willing to work, what, a day? 162 00:09:37,964 --> 00:09:40,381 They're willing to go and sweat, 163 00:09:40,464 --> 00:09:43,756 and spend a whole day, just to get that little piece of paper. 164 00:09:43,839 --> 00:09:47,381 You hold the life of a whole family in your hand 165 00:09:47,464 --> 00:09:50,172 when you hold that $10 bill. 166 00:09:50,255 --> 00:09:53,172 And you go out and spend that $10 bill on what? 167 00:09:54,172 --> 00:09:55,839 Drinks at a bar? 168 00:09:55,923 --> 00:09:57,923 That's what I think of your family. 169 00:09:58,005 --> 00:09:59,422 That's what I think of your efforts. 170 00:09:59,506 --> 00:10:01,881 That's what I think of a whole day of your work. 171 00:10:01,964 --> 00:10:03,756 I just piss it off. 172 00:10:03,839 --> 00:10:05,964 I piss on your family. 173 00:10:06,923 --> 00:10:08,964 So why am I saying all of this? 174 00:10:09,047 --> 00:10:10,964 'Cause you have to understand the nature of it, 175 00:10:11,047 --> 00:10:13,005 and you have to understand the nature of what you do. 176 00:10:13,089 --> 00:10:16,297 And do the wealthy people have to change? Yeah. 177 00:10:16,381 --> 00:10:19,506 You have to respect the wealth that you have, 178 00:10:19,589 --> 00:10:22,297 and what it represents in the world. 179 00:10:22,381 --> 00:10:24,381 Keith said to me, "you know, it would be cool 180 00:10:24,464 --> 00:10:26,673 if you could continue documenting this." I said, "I'd love to." 181 00:10:26,756 --> 00:10:28,714 So I followed them down to Mexico to see 182 00:10:28,798 --> 00:10:32,047 what would they do with these, this information in these meetings. 183 00:10:34,506 --> 00:10:37,047 This thing will not work 184 00:10:37,130 --> 00:10:39,381 if you do not resolve your class struggle. 185 00:10:39,464 --> 00:10:42,130 You have to be visible, day after day, 186 00:10:42,214 --> 00:10:43,297 location after location, 187 00:10:43,381 --> 00:10:45,881 on the radio, in the news. 188 00:10:58,381 --> 00:10:59,589 Yes, I am. 189 00:10:59,673 --> 00:11:01,756 Although I don't know how to implement this. 190 00:11:01,839 --> 00:11:05,339 I, I don't know how to organize people like that. 191 00:11:05,422 --> 00:11:08,255 Well, start small. 192 00:11:13,756 --> 00:11:17,005 In lak'ech translates to "you are my other me." 193 00:11:22,089 --> 00:11:24,964 So there's two aspects. There's the economic aspect, 194 00:11:25,047 --> 00:11:28,089 which is the creation of affluence, so to speak. 195 00:11:28,172 --> 00:11:32,130 And then the other hand is peaceful drills and tools of peace. 196 00:11:33,964 --> 00:11:35,964 Every Sunday at 3:00 P.M., 197 00:11:36,047 --> 00:11:38,172 3,000 to 5,000 people would stand 198 00:11:38,255 --> 00:11:42,631 all over Mexico and basically say this particular pledge that he had written. 199 00:11:42,714 --> 00:11:44,964 All violence is a mistaken identity. 200 00:11:45,047 --> 00:11:48,422 All violence traces back to a, a fear. 201 00:11:53,381 --> 00:11:55,381 So what is the nature of compassion? 202 00:11:55,464 --> 00:11:57,005 To get to the root of the violence, 203 00:11:57,089 --> 00:11:59,714 to transform the violence. 204 00:12:11,214 --> 00:12:14,381 I decided to make a film about the movement. 205 00:12:14,464 --> 00:12:16,881 I named it "encender El corazón." 206 00:12:16,964 --> 00:12:18,839 "Ignite the heart." 207 00:12:18,923 --> 00:12:23,214 I was like, I'm gonna fucking make this film a wakeup call. 208 00:12:23,297 --> 00:12:26,923 And so I found great stories. And great people. 209 00:12:35,214 --> 00:12:37,714 I met Toni Zarattini in ESP, 210 00:12:37,798 --> 00:12:39,089 probably in 2005. 211 00:12:39,172 --> 00:12:43,798 And Toni was kidnapped, um, many years before. 212 00:12:43,881 --> 00:12:47,756 And for ransom from his family, they cut off his ears, 213 00:12:47,839 --> 00:12:49,839 and they cut off one of his fingers. 214 00:13:20,798 --> 00:13:23,547 Toni and I had known each other for a long time, 215 00:13:23,631 --> 00:13:25,214 and I considered him a hero. 216 00:13:25,297 --> 00:13:27,547 He tried to escape once from his kidnappers. 217 00:13:27,631 --> 00:13:29,506 They beat the shit out of him, put him back in, 218 00:13:29,589 --> 00:13:32,547 and eventually he tried again, and, and got away. 219 00:13:33,339 --> 00:13:35,130 Toni's a great man. 220 00:13:35,214 --> 00:13:36,964 He was a coach in NXIVM, 221 00:13:37,047 --> 00:13:41,506 until he discovered that one of his dear friends was involved in dos, 222 00:13:41,589 --> 00:13:44,422 and had been branded, and he was horrified. 223 00:13:44,506 --> 00:13:49,881 And so his battle with the entire Mexican ESP community began. 224 00:13:55,714 --> 00:13:57,339 One of the reasons I got out 225 00:13:57,422 --> 00:14:00,089 is when I learned that Mark had gotten out. 226 00:14:00,172 --> 00:14:03,172 It was like, "what? He got out? 227 00:14:03,255 --> 00:14:05,172 "Mark Vicente got out? 228 00:14:05,255 --> 00:14:07,422 "He's like, like what? How? He's a green. 229 00:14:07,506 --> 00:14:08,673 "He's on the board. 230 00:14:08,756 --> 00:14:11,005 What do you... what... What do you mean he's out?" 231 00:14:11,089 --> 00:14:14,464 And they said, "no, well, he wanted to go make movies." 232 00:14:16,255 --> 00:14:18,005 Didn't make any sense. 233 00:14:22,047 --> 00:14:23,881 This is my friend. 234 00:14:25,631 --> 00:14:26,756 Hola. 235 00:14:26,839 --> 00:14:29,089 Um, do you have any updates? 236 00:14:39,923 --> 00:14:41,589 I hope so, Toni, because if it doesn't, 237 00:14:41,673 --> 00:14:44,005 they're gonna hunt us forever. 238 00:14:50,964 --> 00:14:52,130 Yeah. 239 00:14:56,047 --> 00:14:57,130 Right. 240 00:14:59,047 --> 00:15:00,297 Yeah. 241 00:15:03,547 --> 00:15:05,964 There's been a certain level of uncertainty 242 00:15:06,047 --> 00:15:09,631 because of, like, law enforcement getting more involved. 243 00:15:09,714 --> 00:15:13,339 And I don't know if they have a case or not. 244 00:15:13,422 --> 00:15:16,047 Everything we did before was, we need to get this exposed. 245 00:15:16,130 --> 00:15:17,673 We need to get this out there. 246 00:15:17,756 --> 00:15:20,714 We had a certain amount of control over what we were doing. 247 00:15:20,798 --> 00:15:23,798 And it feels like it's less in our hands now. 248 00:15:43,547 --> 00:15:48,130 When I first saw her, like, oh, my god. I love this child so much. 249 00:15:49,506 --> 00:15:52,839 Just being able to, like, kiss her and hug her. 250 00:15:56,172 --> 00:15:58,714 And... 251 00:16:01,047 --> 00:16:04,297 I feel so many mixed emotions, I can't tell you. 252 00:16:04,381 --> 00:16:06,047 On one hand, 253 00:16:07,255 --> 00:16:09,005 I did... I planted a lot of stuff, 254 00:16:09,089 --> 00:16:12,255 but I swear to god, I felt like I was planting seeds... 255 00:16:14,964 --> 00:16:17,130 In... 256 00:16:17,214 --> 00:16:18,464 Granite. 257 00:16:18,547 --> 00:16:20,339 Well, there's no getting through to her 258 00:16:20,422 --> 00:16:22,923 that what she's doing is super fucked up. 259 00:16:23,005 --> 00:16:25,297 And I did say what Greg said. Like, I said, you know, 260 00:16:25,381 --> 00:16:27,631 "this is very weird." She said, "so what if it's weird?" 261 00:16:27,714 --> 00:16:29,756 I mean, what do you say to somebody? 262 00:16:29,839 --> 00:16:32,506 I'm like, "well, the world thinks it's weird." 263 00:16:32,589 --> 00:16:34,089 And I said, "not okay weird. 264 00:16:34,172 --> 00:16:36,881 Like fuck... Like, creepy weird." 265 00:16:39,381 --> 00:16:41,839 But it doesn't seem to be a problem for her. 266 00:16:48,631 --> 00:16:52,381 And I can just see how, um, 267 00:16:54,047 --> 00:16:57,839 like, how her morality has been bent. 268 00:16:57,923 --> 00:17:00,881 So I was saying, "well, what if people are going to jail? 269 00:17:00,964 --> 00:17:03,756 And what if people have broken the law?" 270 00:17:03,839 --> 00:17:06,464 And she said, "well, I don't think that I've done anything, 271 00:17:06,547 --> 00:17:07,964 personally, to break the law." 272 00:17:08,047 --> 00:17:10,839 I said, "I believe that you would never break the law knowingly." 273 00:17:10,923 --> 00:17:14,923 I said, "but what if you were guided to break the law by people who knew? 274 00:17:16,381 --> 00:17:18,506 Why do you think Keith fled?" 275 00:17:18,589 --> 00:17:22,501 "Well..." her response is, "cause there's a lot of people who don't like him." 276 00:17:22,526 --> 00:17:25,360 And I'm like, "well, why do you think they don't like him?" 277 00:17:26,089 --> 00:17:27,464 And... 278 00:17:29,047 --> 00:17:31,506 Again, she couldn't really come up... 279 00:17:31,589 --> 00:17:33,756 She couldn't come up with an answer. 280 00:17:37,631 --> 00:17:41,673 She really thinks that Mark and Bonnie are the masterminds 281 00:17:41,756 --> 00:17:43,381 of this whole operation, 282 00:17:43,464 --> 00:17:45,339 and that I'm being used by Mark and Bonnie. 283 00:17:45,422 --> 00:17:48,798 Uh, Sarah and Nippy are being used, like, everybody's being used. 284 00:18:01,756 --> 00:18:03,464 If there's hope... 285 00:18:05,673 --> 00:18:09,381 It's not in any of the words that were communicated. 286 00:18:09,464 --> 00:18:12,923 It's in... it's in here. 287 00:18:13,005 --> 00:18:14,673 You know? 288 00:18:14,756 --> 00:18:17,839 What we're up against is such darkness. 289 00:18:19,839 --> 00:18:22,381 Such incredible darkness. 290 00:18:44,422 --> 00:18:45,881 I don't have any evidence at all, 291 00:18:45,964 --> 00:18:47,255 but I feel like we're gonna get her back. 292 00:18:47,339 --> 00:18:50,297 But I don't have any evidence at all. 293 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:26,974 To prepare for landing, 294 00:19:26,999 --> 00:19:30,172 please close your tray table, and put away carry-on items. 295 00:19:30,255 --> 00:19:32,444 Place your seat in the original... 296 00:19:32,469 --> 00:19:34,714 When Mark and I left, we put everything in storage 297 00:19:34,798 --> 00:19:36,297 Any items you wish to discard... 298 00:19:36,381 --> 00:19:38,506 It's years and years of our lives. 299 00:19:38,589 --> 00:19:40,464 We'll be landing soon. 300 00:19:55,756 --> 00:19:57,214 Now that Keith's gone, 301 00:19:57,297 --> 00:19:59,422 we finally feel okay to go back. 302 00:20:01,631 --> 00:20:03,714 I can see why we like LA. 303 00:20:03,798 --> 00:20:06,839 This is, like, gray and dead. 304 00:20:06,923 --> 00:20:08,923 - Disgusting. - Yeah. 305 00:20:10,964 --> 00:20:12,881 But being back here just reminds me 306 00:20:12,964 --> 00:20:15,172 of the heartache of, like, how much we've lost, you know? 307 00:20:15,255 --> 00:20:18,297 We have lost a lot of friends. 308 00:20:31,464 --> 00:20:34,047 You want to go first or you want me? 309 00:20:38,839 --> 00:20:40,214 It's a puppy. 310 00:20:40,297 --> 00:20:41,923 It's a puppy. 311 00:20:42,005 --> 00:20:44,130 - It's a puppy. It's a puppy. - Hi. 312 00:20:44,631 --> 00:20:46,464 Hi. 313 00:20:46,547 --> 00:20:48,798 - Hi, puppy. - Oh, you're so... are you cold? 314 00:20:48,881 --> 00:20:49,688 Come in here. 315 00:20:49,712 --> 00:20:50,940 Oh, no, I'm all right. I actually kind of like it. 316 00:20:51,542 --> 00:20:52,047 - Hi! - Hi. 317 00:20:52,130 --> 00:20:55,005 - Hey. - How's it going? 318 00:20:55,089 --> 00:20:57,631 Something I never thought I'd see standing in my doorway. 319 00:20:57,714 --> 00:20:58,881 - Really? - Yeah. 320 00:20:58,964 --> 00:21:00,506 Yeah. You. 321 00:21:02,839 --> 00:21:05,255 Where do you wanna sit? Actually, I'll sit here, boo. 322 00:21:05,339 --> 00:21:07,756 - Yeah. Okay. - And you sit here. 323 00:21:07,839 --> 00:21:10,005 Toni, thank you so much for opening up your house to us. 324 00:21:10,089 --> 00:21:12,798 Oh, and, listen, thank you so much for opening your eyes. 325 00:21:12,881 --> 00:21:15,089 - It took a while. - Like, that's just... 326 00:21:15,172 --> 00:21:17,381 - It took a while. - Hey, I don't care 327 00:21:17,464 --> 00:21:19,047 when anyone wakes up, 328 00:21:19,130 --> 00:21:22,172 how they wake up, as long as they wake up. 329 00:21:24,172 --> 00:21:25,923 - Is that right? How did that work? - Well... 330 00:21:26,005 --> 00:21:27,923 - I don't... let me think. - I never felt like enemies. 331 00:21:28,005 --> 00:21:30,255 - I never felt... - I felt like you were enemies. 332 00:21:30,339 --> 00:21:32,005 No, I, I understand, 333 00:21:32,089 --> 00:21:33,881 - and you should have, absolutely. - I'm sorry. 334 00:21:33,964 --> 00:21:35,422 - Yeah. - No, no. You should have. 335 00:21:35,506 --> 00:21:37,631 - Not anymore! - Right. 336 00:21:37,714 --> 00:21:38,964 It's good. 337 00:21:39,047 --> 00:21:41,297 It had to be very difficult for him 338 00:21:41,381 --> 00:21:45,172 to not be able to split you guys up. So how hard did he try? 339 00:21:45,255 --> 00:21:47,547 Pretty trying. Pretty hard after I left, yeah. 340 00:21:47,631 --> 00:21:49,964 Yeah. To me, you... 341 00:21:50,047 --> 00:21:52,673 You both leaving was a big deal. 342 00:21:52,756 --> 00:21:56,631 Because someone that close to him leaving, 343 00:21:56,714 --> 00:21:58,881 is a crack in his plate. 344 00:22:00,714 --> 00:22:02,839 When he loses that control, 345 00:22:02,923 --> 00:22:04,673 he loses his mind. 346 00:22:06,631 --> 00:22:08,506 I have something for you. 347 00:22:10,381 --> 00:22:15,130 I'm looking for the letter that I sent to Mark in 2010. 348 00:22:15,214 --> 00:22:17,255 - 2010? - Mm-hmm. 349 00:22:17,339 --> 00:22:19,297 Right when I came in. 350 00:22:19,381 --> 00:22:20,798 - Yeah. - Wow. 351 00:22:20,881 --> 00:22:23,172 But I, I never received it back then. 352 00:22:23,255 --> 00:22:24,547 So that was like eight years ago. 353 00:22:24,631 --> 00:22:26,172 Mm-hmm. 354 00:22:26,255 --> 00:22:28,339 - Is that the one? - Yeah, yeah. That's it. 355 00:22:28,422 --> 00:22:31,673 Um, it was in response to a Ted talk 356 00:22:31,756 --> 00:22:33,547 that Mark did. 357 00:22:34,089 --> 00:22:35,464 My name is Mark Vicente. 358 00:22:35,547 --> 00:22:38,673 I'm a filmmaker from the apartheid era South Africa. 359 00:22:38,756 --> 00:22:41,047 I have as my mentor an American scientist 360 00:22:41,130 --> 00:22:43,756 and philosopher by the name of Keith Raniere. 361 00:22:44,589 --> 00:22:46,339 He asked me a question, 362 00:22:46,422 --> 00:22:48,130 and the question he asked me was, 363 00:22:48,214 --> 00:22:50,464 "what is bravery?" 364 00:22:50,547 --> 00:22:51,798 What is it? 365 00:22:54,673 --> 00:22:56,339 Nobody's ever seen this letter. 366 00:22:56,422 --> 00:22:59,673 No. No. I just sent it to you. 367 00:22:59,756 --> 00:23:01,130 It says, "Mark, 368 00:23:01,214 --> 00:23:02,964 "I think it's very important that you temper 369 00:23:03,047 --> 00:23:06,255 "how much of your good deeds you attribute to Keith Raniere. 370 00:23:06,339 --> 00:23:10,381 "By attributing your goodness to Raniere, you give him credit. 371 00:23:10,464 --> 00:23:14,047 "And worse yet, credibility, where none is due. 372 00:23:14,130 --> 00:23:16,047 "Just look at how he cons people 373 00:23:16,130 --> 00:23:17,839 "into believing that they are doing good deeds, 374 00:23:17,923 --> 00:23:20,798 "when in fact, all they're doing is helping to make 375 00:23:20,881 --> 00:23:23,130 "his sordid lifestyle possible. 376 00:23:23,214 --> 00:23:25,756 "If only you and others would be brave enough 377 00:23:25,839 --> 00:23:27,714 "to truly look at his past and his present, 378 00:23:27,798 --> 00:23:30,547 "and objectively, you would see that you've been conned. 379 00:23:30,631 --> 00:23:33,923 "Keith destroys people's lives and will continue to do so 380 00:23:34,005 --> 00:23:36,839 "until people like yourself are brave enough 381 00:23:36,923 --> 00:23:38,589 "to really look at what he does. 382 00:23:38,673 --> 00:23:40,381 "And if you choose not to, 383 00:23:40,464 --> 00:23:42,631 then you must ask yourself why." 384 00:23:45,047 --> 00:23:46,255 You did, though. 385 00:23:46,339 --> 00:23:48,589 - Mm-hmm. Finally. - You did wake up. 386 00:23:48,673 --> 00:23:49,673 Yeah, but you know what? 387 00:23:49,756 --> 00:23:51,089 - It doesn't matter. - Seven years later. 388 00:23:51,172 --> 00:23:54,005 It doesn't matter, Mark. It's that you woke up. 389 00:23:54,089 --> 00:23:55,839 Yeah, I wish I got it. 390 00:23:55,923 --> 00:23:57,130 You weren't ready. 391 00:23:57,214 --> 00:23:58,506 I wasn't ready. 392 00:24:21,881 --> 00:24:23,506 Fuckin' hell. 393 00:24:24,673 --> 00:24:25,714 Aah. 394 00:24:36,964 --> 00:24:39,506 This, this is our old house right here. 395 00:24:40,381 --> 00:24:42,339 On top of the garage, to the right, 396 00:24:42,422 --> 00:24:44,714 - the receivers and transmitters. - See, they're watching us. 397 00:24:44,798 --> 00:24:46,532 There's probably a camera there, as well. 398 00:24:46,557 --> 00:24:48,639 - They're watching us. - They're probably watching us, yeah. 399 00:24:49,089 --> 00:24:50,506 They have, like, 400 00:24:50,589 --> 00:24:53,089 cameras all around at the ESP-ians' houses. 401 00:24:53,172 --> 00:24:55,547 So they're monitoring. Someone's monitoring. 402 00:24:56,547 --> 00:24:59,381 Keith could be looking at that in Mexico. 403 00:25:01,047 --> 00:25:02,673 Puts us in a little bit of danger. 404 00:25:02,756 --> 00:25:04,422 If they have papers ready for us, 405 00:25:04,506 --> 00:25:07,547 and they've been trying to find us, they could come and serve us. 406 00:25:07,631 --> 00:25:09,631 'Cause we've been in hiding. 407 00:25:14,714 --> 00:25:16,589 This is dark right here. 408 00:25:21,798 --> 00:25:24,464 Keith was trying to see how submissive I'd be. 409 00:25:24,547 --> 00:25:27,506 And he'd call me for walks at like, 3:00 A.M. 410 00:25:27,589 --> 00:25:29,964 And I just jumped right out of bed and went, 411 00:25:30,047 --> 00:25:32,464 like it was, it was an honor. 412 00:26:24,631 --> 00:26:25,964 Okay. 413 00:27:27,631 --> 00:27:29,464 At one point in the middle of the night, 414 00:27:29,547 --> 00:27:30,798 I was walking with him, 415 00:27:30,881 --> 00:27:33,964 and he was doing little tests with me. 416 00:27:34,047 --> 00:27:38,589 And he said, you know, "why don't you run towards that tree? 417 00:27:38,673 --> 00:27:40,964 So I started... I ran towards the tree and I stopped. 418 00:27:41,047 --> 00:27:42,923 I didn't mash my face up. 419 00:27:43,005 --> 00:27:47,839 And I came back and he said, "interesting how protective of your body you are." 420 00:27:50,005 --> 00:27:51,798 And I felt ashamed. 421 00:27:51,881 --> 00:27:54,464 But I saw that as a limitation. 422 00:27:54,547 --> 00:27:57,923 And then he said, you know, "you're so uptight about dirt. 423 00:27:58,005 --> 00:28:01,964 Go and lick that puddle. You're so uptight about dirt. Lick the puddle." 424 00:28:02,047 --> 00:28:03,923 So I went and licked the puddle. 425 00:28:04,923 --> 00:28:07,297 I was trying to let down my, my guards, 426 00:28:07,381 --> 00:28:09,297 and all my fears, and, you know, 427 00:28:09,381 --> 00:28:12,130 to open myself up to his teaching. 428 00:28:13,047 --> 00:28:15,964 I think I failed whatever his tests were. 429 00:28:23,673 --> 00:28:26,255 Okay, let's, let's just do a... 430 00:28:26,339 --> 00:28:28,339 Start it. Let's see, here. 431 00:28:28,422 --> 00:28:30,422 Sorry. Could you just... 432 00:28:30,506 --> 00:28:33,089 I'm a little punchy, that's all. 433 00:28:33,172 --> 00:28:36,047 Don't mind me. 434 00:28:42,130 --> 00:28:44,422 This is history of the movement, right? 435 00:28:47,798 --> 00:28:49,339 Who cares? 436 00:28:55,798 --> 00:28:57,506 Boring? 437 00:28:57,589 --> 00:29:00,964 Not boring, but not of the emotional tenor you need. 438 00:29:01,047 --> 00:29:02,964 The reason why I think you should is... 439 00:29:03,047 --> 00:29:06,673 The thing that I say about Mexico being an optimal time, 440 00:29:06,756 --> 00:29:09,214 maybe that's something. 441 00:29:09,297 --> 00:29:13,506 This is very documentary, intellectual... 442 00:29:13,589 --> 00:29:14,923 In this situation, 443 00:29:15,005 --> 00:29:19,589 I see there are four basic philosophies for which... 444 00:29:19,673 --> 00:29:22,089 Great. I don't give a shit. 445 00:29:22,172 --> 00:29:23,798 I don't even know the word philosophy. 446 00:29:23,881 --> 00:29:25,923 I'm a typical person watching this. 447 00:29:27,839 --> 00:29:31,130 I mean, I... nothing against being myself. 448 00:29:32,881 --> 00:29:35,297 Now, to, to put this on pause a second. 449 00:29:36,547 --> 00:29:38,130 So again, I have to keep in mind, 450 00:29:38,214 --> 00:29:40,506 who's the typical person that's seeing this? 451 00:29:40,589 --> 00:29:43,673 If you go to all of the wealthy, educated people 452 00:29:43,756 --> 00:29:45,506 and they all see this film, and whatever, 453 00:29:45,589 --> 00:29:47,172 you're not gonna change Mexico. 454 00:29:47,255 --> 00:29:48,756 It's not gonna work. 455 00:29:48,839 --> 00:29:51,214 I don't... do you... I don't think I need to see much more. 456 00:29:51,297 --> 00:29:54,381 I think you need to rethink this. It's essential. 457 00:29:54,464 --> 00:29:56,089 I agree. 458 00:29:56,172 --> 00:29:58,089 - Okay. - Thanks. 459 00:29:58,172 --> 00:30:00,130 - So I'll speak to you later. - Yes, you will. 460 00:30:00,214 --> 00:30:02,047 - Later, later. - I gotta think. 461 00:30:02,130 --> 00:30:03,673 This is funny. 462 00:30:03,756 --> 00:30:07,005 I knew I'd mess things up. 463 00:30:07,089 --> 00:30:09,005 Yeah, I knew you would, too. 464 00:30:09,089 --> 00:30:11,422 He made people feel really shit about themselves 465 00:30:11,506 --> 00:30:12,881 so that they would feel 466 00:30:12,964 --> 00:30:16,005 they owed so much more than they were giving 467 00:30:18,005 --> 00:30:20,339 he really worked Emiliano 468 00:30:20,422 --> 00:30:23,089 about the power and corruption of his family, 469 00:30:23,172 --> 00:30:27,130 and used that to try to convince Emiliano that he had a lot to do 470 00:30:27,214 --> 00:30:28,673 to fix what his family had done, 471 00:30:28,756 --> 00:30:31,756 which is exactly what he did with Clare and Sara, as well. 472 00:30:31,839 --> 00:30:33,089 Bye-bye. 473 00:30:33,172 --> 00:30:35,839 Bye-bye. Bye-bye. 474 00:30:36,881 --> 00:30:38,464 You felt like shit, 475 00:30:38,547 --> 00:30:41,130 and he was the only one that could fix it. 476 00:30:54,714 --> 00:30:56,422 I mean, it's a long story. 477 00:30:58,255 --> 00:31:00,214 Um, 30-second version. 478 00:31:00,297 --> 00:31:02,464 Lived here for 12 years. Was part of an organization 479 00:31:02,547 --> 00:31:04,089 that turned out to be a very dangerous cult. 480 00:31:04,172 --> 00:31:06,714 Blew the whistle on human trafficking and sex trafficking. 481 00:31:06,798 --> 00:31:09,005 Now there's a massive federal investigation underway. 482 00:31:09,089 --> 00:31:11,255 This is the first time we're back in a year. 483 00:31:12,756 --> 00:31:14,464 Do you mind if I ask what they're called? 484 00:31:14,547 --> 00:31:17,047 The umbrella company is NXIVM. N-x-i-v-m. 485 00:31:17,130 --> 00:31:18,673 - No way. - That's the one! 486 00:31:18,756 --> 00:31:21,756 I actually had a meeting with them one time, accidentally. 487 00:31:39,631 --> 00:31:41,130 Right? Like, just that... 488 00:31:48,964 --> 00:31:50,255 And it's weird. I don't know. 489 00:31:50,339 --> 00:31:52,214 It starts off, it feels like real answers. 490 00:31:52,297 --> 00:31:54,714 Like, I think the experience you had was weird. 491 00:31:54,798 --> 00:31:56,631 But there are different ways that, like... 492 00:31:56,714 --> 00:31:59,381 For us, we came in because we had real, legitimate, 493 00:31:59,464 --> 00:32:01,547 good experiences with people. 494 00:32:01,631 --> 00:32:04,089 And it was people we trusted. 495 00:32:04,172 --> 00:32:06,130 - So... - Yeah. No, I think it all starts 496 00:32:06,214 --> 00:32:08,673 with someone you know, essentially, right? 497 00:32:09,839 --> 00:32:11,214 No. No. 498 00:32:11,297 --> 00:32:13,673 I dragged her in. 499 00:32:13,756 --> 00:32:15,172 Yeah. 500 00:32:15,255 --> 00:32:17,589 I think the hardest thing is the shame. 501 00:32:17,673 --> 00:32:21,339 It's easy to think that people are stupid for getting involved. 502 00:32:22,005 --> 00:32:24,089 And I don't think we're stupid. 503 00:32:24,172 --> 00:32:26,923 I think we're sensitive, good people, and... 504 00:32:27,005 --> 00:32:28,506 It's just... it's hard. 505 00:32:30,673 --> 00:32:32,839 - Not anymore. - Not anymore. 506 00:32:53,005 --> 00:32:54,297 This is our life. 507 00:32:54,381 --> 00:32:57,756 Oh, geez. 508 00:33:02,255 --> 00:33:04,381 It was a whole apartment. 509 00:33:10,714 --> 00:33:12,130 Look what I found. 510 00:33:12,214 --> 00:33:14,547 First one I had as a camera assistant. 511 00:33:14,631 --> 00:33:16,798 - Wow. - That's my action figure. 512 00:33:16,881 --> 00:33:18,756 I've got very long arms. 513 00:33:20,714 --> 00:33:22,506 I wrote this book. 514 00:33:23,422 --> 00:33:25,005 In another life. 515 00:33:26,172 --> 00:33:28,297 It's a lot of shit to go through. 516 00:33:30,506 --> 00:33:32,881 I mean, I've got modules, here. 517 00:33:35,589 --> 00:33:38,923 "World audience." "Pain and suffering." 518 00:33:40,381 --> 00:33:42,422 Oh, shifter strategy! 519 00:33:43,464 --> 00:33:46,172 - Oh, you got "shifter" there? - Yep. 520 00:33:46,255 --> 00:33:49,339 "The term 'shifter' does not usually refer to a person, 521 00:33:49,422 --> 00:33:53,089 "but rather to a strategy that is an unlimited form of cheating. 522 00:33:53,172 --> 00:33:55,130 "Have you ever seen a magic trick 523 00:33:55,214 --> 00:33:58,255 that was so incredible that you couldn't figure out how it was done?" 524 00:33:58,339 --> 00:34:00,297 Oh, wait. How do you do that? 525 00:34:02,589 --> 00:34:04,339 "Maybe you wanted to watch it again and again 526 00:34:04,422 --> 00:34:05,506 "to try to figure it out. 527 00:34:05,589 --> 00:34:07,089 "Then one day, you learned how it was done 528 00:34:07,172 --> 00:34:09,422 "and you couldn't believe that you were taken in by it. 529 00:34:09,506 --> 00:34:11,339 It became so obvious to you." 530 00:34:11,422 --> 00:34:13,631 Tails. 531 00:34:13,714 --> 00:34:14,964 Tails. 532 00:34:15,047 --> 00:34:17,297 "We do not live in a world that plays by the rules. 533 00:34:17,381 --> 00:34:19,422 If you and I are playing a game..." 534 00:34:19,506 --> 00:34:21,381 And I'm cheating and you're not, 535 00:34:21,464 --> 00:34:24,214 chances are, I'm gonna win. Unless you discover my cheating. 536 00:34:24,297 --> 00:34:26,589 - Hand goes faster than the quarter does. - Oh! 537 00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:29,047 Right. 538 00:34:32,130 --> 00:34:34,714 Ooh, what's this? 539 00:34:34,798 --> 00:34:37,381 Someone with very low self-esteem. 540 00:34:37,464 --> 00:34:39,172 "Whenever this person sees something good, 541 00:34:39,255 --> 00:34:41,130 "they want to suppress it and destroy it. 542 00:34:41,214 --> 00:34:44,589 These people never have anything nice to say about anyone." 543 00:34:46,589 --> 00:34:50,339 After I left, I heard that I was being called a suppressive. 544 00:34:50,422 --> 00:34:53,673 Cause you're not allowed to ask questions and you're not allowed to leave. 545 00:34:59,506 --> 00:35:03,339 In ESP, we learned that everyone has suppressive tendencies. 546 00:35:03,422 --> 00:35:06,047 We all have narcissistic traits. 547 00:35:06,130 --> 00:35:08,506 But a full suppressive is someone who, 548 00:35:08,589 --> 00:35:10,673 like, really has bad intent, 549 00:35:10,756 --> 00:35:12,255 and wants to hurt people. 550 00:35:12,339 --> 00:35:15,714 That was described in the module "the fall." 551 00:35:15,798 --> 00:35:18,005 There's an interesting book written, uh, 552 00:35:18,089 --> 00:35:20,673 poem, actually, "paradise lost," by Milton. 553 00:35:20,756 --> 00:35:24,422 Written a while ago. It's about the fall of Lucifer 554 00:35:24,506 --> 00:35:26,089 from the garden of Eden. 555 00:35:26,172 --> 00:35:28,506 At one point, he's personifying Lucifer, 556 00:35:28,589 --> 00:35:31,756 and Lucifer looks up and sees heaven, 557 00:35:31,839 --> 00:35:35,172 and then sees heaven's creation, which is man. 558 00:35:35,255 --> 00:35:39,589 And you know what Lucifer's first reaction to man is? 559 00:35:39,673 --> 00:35:42,381 He is amazed by man. 560 00:35:43,297 --> 00:35:46,964 He admires, even loves, man. 561 00:35:47,047 --> 00:35:49,005 One can interpret that. 562 00:35:49,089 --> 00:35:51,464 But then you know what his reaction is? 563 00:35:51,547 --> 00:35:55,464 "That creature reminds me of what I lost. 564 00:35:55,547 --> 00:35:58,339 "The perfection of that creature 565 00:35:58,422 --> 00:36:02,297 "brings such hate, such memories, 566 00:36:02,381 --> 00:36:05,547 "such awful things in me. I must destroy that. 567 00:36:05,631 --> 00:36:09,464 I don't want to see heaven embodied anywhere." 568 00:36:09,547 --> 00:36:12,047 So he seeks to destroy. 569 00:36:15,464 --> 00:36:18,798 So, "the fall" was described as, like, this discovery 570 00:36:18,881 --> 00:36:21,172 that a person can make. 571 00:36:21,255 --> 00:36:25,130 That if their self-esteem gets super, super low, 572 00:36:25,214 --> 00:36:27,506 they actually have a ton of options 573 00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:29,172 if they destroy their conscience, 574 00:36:29,255 --> 00:36:31,464 and by hurting people 575 00:36:31,547 --> 00:36:33,255 or by doing destructive things, 576 00:36:33,339 --> 00:36:36,089 they actually can feel good. 577 00:36:36,172 --> 00:36:39,089 This is what Vanguard terms a luciferian. 578 00:36:39,172 --> 00:36:42,923 It's the worst possible thing that could ever occur, 579 00:36:43,005 --> 00:36:45,798 because Luciferians look like you, 580 00:36:45,881 --> 00:36:47,798 and they seem to act like you, 581 00:36:47,881 --> 00:36:49,339 but they are nothing like you. 582 00:36:49,422 --> 00:36:51,464 It's like an aching. They wake up in the morning, 583 00:36:51,547 --> 00:36:54,798 and they feel vengeful. They feel bad. 584 00:36:54,881 --> 00:36:57,881 And the only thing that can relieve that gut, that pain, 585 00:36:57,964 --> 00:37:01,964 is to go out and destroy and to exercise power. 586 00:37:11,923 --> 00:37:13,756 Keith did seem to have, 587 00:37:13,839 --> 00:37:16,381 like, a fascination with psychopaths, 588 00:37:16,464 --> 00:37:18,464 and people who were really evil, 589 00:37:18,547 --> 00:37:20,589 or had, had no conscience. 590 00:37:21,964 --> 00:37:25,172 If those people of what we call anti-conscience, 591 00:37:25,255 --> 00:37:27,881 the luciferic people, didn't exist, 592 00:37:27,964 --> 00:37:29,714 we'd have to invent them. 593 00:37:29,798 --> 00:37:31,547 They're very important for us. 594 00:37:31,631 --> 00:37:34,255 - Mm-hmm. - It's a real partnership. 595 00:37:34,339 --> 00:37:37,506 And such a person could even argue that 596 00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:39,547 genetically, they are superior. 597 00:37:39,631 --> 00:37:41,756 They're not burdened by a conscience. 598 00:37:41,839 --> 00:37:43,964 They're not burdened by a system of honor. 599 00:37:44,047 --> 00:37:45,381 They're machiavellian. 600 00:37:45,464 --> 00:37:47,923 The sociopath, who doesn't have the circuitry in the brain, 601 00:37:48,005 --> 00:37:50,255 looks at everything like a video game. 602 00:37:50,339 --> 00:37:51,881 And because they look at things like that, 603 00:37:51,964 --> 00:37:53,923 they have more degrees of freedom 604 00:37:54,005 --> 00:37:55,756 than an empathy-feeling person. 605 00:37:55,839 --> 00:37:58,589 The truth of the matter is, sociopaths have made us what we were. 606 00:37:58,673 --> 00:38:01,798 If it weren't for sociopaths, we wouldn't understand compassion. 607 00:38:05,172 --> 00:38:06,506 Yeah. 608 00:38:08,047 --> 00:38:10,172 I thought that that was just because he wanted 609 00:38:10,255 --> 00:38:13,339 to help people not become that way, 610 00:38:13,422 --> 00:38:15,422 and know what they were looking at, 611 00:38:15,506 --> 00:38:18,798 so they could avoid being hurt by people like that. 612 00:38:18,881 --> 00:38:22,130 But I think ultimately, what he was doing was just 613 00:38:22,214 --> 00:38:24,381 putting everything in plain sight. 614 00:38:26,089 --> 00:38:28,798 I had the kind of love with Keith that was uneasy, 615 00:38:28,881 --> 00:38:32,047 because I loved him and I was afraid of him. 616 00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:21,214 It feels like, uh... 617 00:39:21,297 --> 00:39:24,130 I looked into hell and I got stuck there. 618 00:39:27,756 --> 00:39:30,255 I feel super fucked up. 619 00:39:32,339 --> 00:39:33,923 I read the document on my computer. 620 00:39:34,005 --> 00:39:37,172 It was just called "v.Doc." 621 00:39:37,255 --> 00:39:39,631 The "v" was the nickname 622 00:39:39,714 --> 00:39:42,798 for Keith Raniere, like Vanguard. 623 00:39:44,339 --> 00:39:46,339 I didn't know what it was, and I just, like, 624 00:39:46,422 --> 00:39:50,005 opened it up and I read it, and I was like, "what the fuck?" 625 00:39:50,089 --> 00:39:53,214 And it's basically... It's like a story idea... 626 00:39:53,297 --> 00:39:55,547 That he came up with. 627 00:39:55,631 --> 00:39:59,547 And, um, basically about, like, a corporation 628 00:39:59,631 --> 00:40:01,297 where there's like a, 629 00:40:01,381 --> 00:40:03,255 a good guy that's running the corporation, 630 00:40:03,339 --> 00:40:06,381 and there's like this mentor character. 631 00:40:06,464 --> 00:40:10,923 And the good guy kind of realizes that there's a psychopath... 632 00:40:11,005 --> 00:40:14,923 That's in the system, trying to destroy everything. 633 00:40:15,005 --> 00:40:18,756 And the punchline in the end is that he realizes that the mentor, 634 00:40:18,839 --> 00:40:22,631 who he thought was a good guy, is actually the psychopath. 635 00:40:24,297 --> 00:40:26,130 And it just... 636 00:40:26,214 --> 00:40:30,089 I was fucking horrified, 'cause it's like, "you fucker. 637 00:40:30,172 --> 00:40:32,089 "Ten years ago, you showed me 638 00:40:32,172 --> 00:40:34,339 exactly what you were gonna do to me." 639 00:40:36,631 --> 00:40:38,255 And I know this is what he wanted, 640 00:40:38,339 --> 00:40:40,214 'cause this is fun. 641 00:40:40,297 --> 00:40:43,047 It was the best practical joke ever. 642 00:41:05,339 --> 00:41:06,714 Oh, Jesus. The hair! 643 00:41:14,756 --> 00:41:17,255 Now that your hair's out of the way, it's much better. 644 00:41:17,339 --> 00:41:18,506 Not bad. 645 00:41:24,089 --> 00:41:25,673 You're not gonna do that, are you? 646 00:41:25,756 --> 00:41:28,381 You didn't do that, did you? 647 00:41:44,756 --> 00:41:46,589 How would you respond to somebody 648 00:41:46,673 --> 00:41:49,005 who believes that the cause of violence is poverty? 649 00:41:49,089 --> 00:41:50,464 It is poverty. 650 00:41:50,547 --> 00:41:53,631 How do you define poverty? Poverty of what? 651 00:41:53,714 --> 00:41:55,339 Let me just tie that together. 652 00:41:55,422 --> 00:41:56,673 - Are you rolling? - I'm rolling. 653 00:41:56,756 --> 00:41:58,381 How was the exposure? Good? 654 00:41:58,464 --> 00:42:00,297 - It was good. - We're still rolling, guys? 655 00:42:00,381 --> 00:42:02,172 Okay. Let's go back to that question, 656 00:42:02,255 --> 00:42:04,589 which was basically, how would you respond to somebody 657 00:42:04,673 --> 00:42:06,589 who says the cause of violence is poverty? 658 00:42:06,673 --> 00:42:10,005 Well, uh, it is poverty, actually. 659 00:42:10,089 --> 00:42:12,339 Uh, but a poverty of what? 660 00:42:12,422 --> 00:42:15,381 You're born into a rich family. 661 00:42:15,464 --> 00:42:17,881 You're not stealing anything, per se. 662 00:42:17,964 --> 00:42:19,422 But you haven't earned it. 663 00:42:19,506 --> 00:42:22,214 You're born into a rich family. 664 00:42:22,297 --> 00:42:25,547 That means you haven't stolen anything, per se. 665 00:42:25,631 --> 00:42:27,464 But you haven't earned it, either. 666 00:42:27,547 --> 00:42:29,297 But imagine a $10 bill. 667 00:42:29,381 --> 00:42:31,547 Do you know what that $10 bill means? 668 00:42:31,631 --> 00:42:34,881 Some person in Mexico is probably willing to work, what? 669 00:42:34,964 --> 00:42:36,464 A day? 670 00:42:36,547 --> 00:42:40,214 So you hold the life of the whole family 671 00:42:40,297 --> 00:42:42,381 in your hand when you hold... 672 00:42:42,464 --> 00:42:43,547 That $10 bill. 673 00:42:43,631 --> 00:42:46,297 And you go and spend a $10 bill on what? 674 00:42:46,381 --> 00:42:48,047 Drinks at a bar? 675 00:42:48,130 --> 00:42:49,881 That's what I think of your family. 676 00:42:49,964 --> 00:42:51,547 That's what I think of your efforts. 677 00:42:51,631 --> 00:42:53,547 That's what I think of a whole day of your work. 678 00:42:53,631 --> 00:42:56,297 Just spend it on a drink at a bar. 679 00:42:56,381 --> 00:42:58,214 I just piss it off. 680 00:42:58,297 --> 00:42:59,881 I piss on your family. 681 00:42:59,964 --> 00:43:02,506 I piss on your whole family. 682 00:43:10,881 --> 00:43:13,381 Toni Zarattini had to reshoot everything. 683 00:43:13,464 --> 00:43:16,631 All his stuff again, to give tribute to Raniere. 684 00:43:46,798 --> 00:43:49,881 Done, done to him for a long period of time? 685 00:43:50,631 --> 00:43:51,964 Okay. 686 00:43:53,130 --> 00:43:55,589 I was a fucking servant. 687 00:43:55,673 --> 00:43:57,381 I mean, I was a... 688 00:43:58,673 --> 00:44:01,381 I was obedient to him. 689 00:45:00,798 --> 00:45:02,339 I know. 690 00:45:02,422 --> 00:45:05,422 I know he gets pleasure in this. 691 00:45:06,923 --> 00:45:10,172 This is one of those things where if you got stabbed in the soul, 692 00:45:10,255 --> 00:45:13,631 and there's no way... there's nothing that's gonna make it better. 693 00:45:14,714 --> 00:45:16,255 And he's done that to my friends. 694 00:45:16,339 --> 00:45:17,923 He's done that to my wife. 695 00:45:20,089 --> 00:45:21,839 And he knows he did. 696 00:45:23,005 --> 00:45:25,589 And that was his joy. 697 00:45:37,297 --> 00:45:39,297 This is silver bay, 698 00:45:39,381 --> 00:45:41,172 where v week was. 699 00:45:42,130 --> 00:45:44,214 And I do have some really nice memories 700 00:45:44,297 --> 00:45:46,798 of, like, walking across the grass. 701 00:45:51,881 --> 00:45:56,798 ♪ Breaking down all the crooked lines ♪ 702 00:45:57,756 --> 00:46:00,714 ♪ unraveling ♪ 703 00:46:00,798 --> 00:46:02,923 This place in the fall is beautiful. 704 00:46:03,005 --> 00:46:04,631 I mean, the whole mountain is just orange, 705 00:46:04,714 --> 00:46:07,506 and there's a lake and there's green grass. 706 00:46:10,172 --> 00:46:15,005 ♪ Memories are falling to the ground ♪ 707 00:46:16,214 --> 00:46:18,839 ♪ spiraling ♪ 708 00:46:22,172 --> 00:46:25,756 ♪ it's who you ♪ 709 00:46:25,839 --> 00:46:30,506 ♪ who you are ♪ 710 00:46:34,547 --> 00:46:38,756 ♪ not who you ♪ 711 00:46:38,839 --> 00:46:42,756 ♪ believe in ♪ 712 00:46:46,964 --> 00:46:50,255 ♪ it's who you ♪ 713 00:46:50,339 --> 00:46:54,714 ♪ who you are ♪ 714 00:46:58,839 --> 00:47:03,297 ♪ Not who you ♪ 715 00:47:03,381 --> 00:47:06,923 ♪ believe in ♪ 716 00:47:34,422 --> 00:47:36,339 Hey, boo, it's Sally. Do you want to take it? 717 00:47:36,422 --> 00:47:38,839 - I'll go outside and call her. - Here. 718 00:47:38,923 --> 00:47:40,381 Okay. 719 00:47:40,464 --> 00:47:41,923 - No. What? - No. 720 00:47:44,047 --> 00:47:45,964 - No! - Fuck me. 721 00:47:51,047 --> 00:47:52,089 Oh, my god. 722 00:47:54,547 --> 00:47:55,756 Fuck. 723 00:47:57,172 --> 00:47:58,339 Fuck! 724 00:47:58,422 --> 00:47:59,964 - I'll tell you what, Sally. - Put it in the thread. 725 00:48:00,047 --> 00:48:00,878 Fuck me! 726 00:48:00,902 --> 00:48:02,480 I don't have my phone. My phone's in the car. 727 00:48:02,505 --> 00:48:04,172 Can we pass this on to the rest of the team? 728 00:48:04,255 --> 00:48:06,089 'Cause I want to let the rebels know. 729 00:48:10,839 --> 00:48:12,631 Oh, I wanna... 730 00:48:17,172 --> 00:48:19,589 Oh, my god. I'm so happy. 731 00:48:19,673 --> 00:48:22,339 Please let me see your face. 732 00:48:22,422 --> 00:48:26,253 Oh, my god. I'm so fucking excited I just don't know what to do. 733 00:48:26,278 --> 00:48:26,904 Catherine. 734 00:48:26,928 --> 00:48:27,981 I can't even speak 735 00:48:28,005 --> 00:48:29,172 I'm so excited. 736 00:48:29,255 --> 00:48:31,756 Love you, Catherine! 737 00:48:31,839 --> 00:48:33,422 Guys, it's in the press. 738 00:48:33,506 --> 00:48:35,464 - It's in the press! It's in the press. - It's in the press. 739 00:48:35,547 --> 00:48:38,798 There you are, darling. On the front page. 740 00:48:38,881 --> 00:48:40,798 Alleged leader of a secret society 741 00:48:40,881 --> 00:48:43,214 accused of branding women has been arrested 742 00:48:43,297 --> 00:48:44,214 just hours ago. 743 00:49:08,089 --> 00:49:11,005 Look at this picture of Keith Raniere 744 00:49:11,089 --> 00:49:13,506 in the back of the cop car. 745 00:49:13,589 --> 00:49:16,589 He looks so unhappy. 746 00:49:16,673 --> 00:49:17,964 "The defendant, Keith Raniere, 747 00:49:18,047 --> 00:49:19,923 "is scheduled to appear in the northern district of Texas 748 00:49:20,005 --> 00:49:22,089 "tomorrow at 2:00 P.M. for arraignment. 749 00:49:22,172 --> 00:49:25,297 "The government respectfully submits this letter in anticipation 750 00:49:25,381 --> 00:49:28,714 "of the defendant's expected removal to the eastern district of New York, 751 00:49:28,798 --> 00:49:30,547 "and in support of the government's request 752 00:49:30,631 --> 00:49:32,130 for a permanent order of detention." 753 00:49:32,214 --> 00:49:34,506 I can't believe they're doing this. 754 00:49:34,589 --> 00:49:37,464 "The defendant, who was living in Mexico prior to his arrest, 755 00:49:37,547 --> 00:49:39,881 "and has access to vast resources, 756 00:49:39,964 --> 00:49:42,673 "poses a significant risk of flight. 757 00:49:42,756 --> 00:49:46,047 If released, he would pose a danger to the community." 758 00:49:47,923 --> 00:49:49,881 - They got him. - They fuckin' got him. 759 00:50:06,464 --> 00:50:09,381 FBI crews raid a home in Waterford 760 00:50:09,464 --> 00:50:10,923 with apparent connections 761 00:50:11,005 --> 00:50:13,047 to the alleged cult in our area. 762 00:50:13,130 --> 00:50:15,381 Hey, good evening, Camille. While FBI agents 763 00:50:15,464 --> 00:50:18,047 continue to raid the home behind me here in Waterford 764 00:50:18,130 --> 00:50:19,589 on Oregon trail. 765 00:50:19,673 --> 00:50:21,506 They've been here all day long, since this morning. 766 00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:25,547 Now, according to neighbors, Nancy Raniere left the home yesterday, 767 00:50:25,631 --> 00:50:28,547 after the leader of the company she helped to start 768 00:50:28,631 --> 00:50:31,339 was arrested and charged with sex trafficking. 769 00:50:31,422 --> 00:50:33,506 So there's a lot of layers to this thing, 770 00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:35,881 but first of all, they got this guy, uh, Keith Raniere 771 00:50:35,964 --> 00:50:38,506 down in Mexico and they brought him back. He's going to be extradited. 772 00:50:38,589 --> 00:50:41,339 Now, Raniere is expected back in New York in the coming days. 773 00:50:41,422 --> 00:50:45,005 He is still under the custody of US Marshals. 774 00:50:45,089 --> 00:50:46,839 Keith Raniere is no longer 775 00:50:46,923 --> 00:50:49,339 at that federal transfer center in Oklahoma. 776 00:50:49,422 --> 00:50:51,881 Right now, Raniere is on a bus 777 00:50:51,964 --> 00:50:55,214 on his way back to New York. 778 00:50:55,297 --> 00:50:57,673 Okay, so we have a criminal cause for an arraignment. 779 00:50:57,756 --> 00:51:01,339 18m132, United States versus Keith Raniere. 780 00:51:01,422 --> 00:51:03,018 Good afternoon. 781 00:51:03,042 --> 00:51:04,106 Good afternoon. Good afternoon, Mr. Raniere. 782 00:51:04,130 --> 00:51:05,381 Good afternoon. 783 00:51:05,464 --> 00:51:07,214 Have you seen a copy of the complaint 784 00:51:07,297 --> 00:51:09,381 that has been filed against you in this case? 785 00:51:09,464 --> 00:51:11,964 - Yes, your honor. - Okay. 786 00:51:12,047 --> 00:51:13,839 In light of the nature of the charges 787 00:51:13,923 --> 00:51:16,631 and the, uh, evidence laid out in the government's letter, 788 00:51:16,714 --> 00:51:20,589 the court is going to issue a permanent order of detention. 789 00:51:20,673 --> 00:51:22,214 Do you understand that, Mr. Raniere? 790 00:51:22,297 --> 00:51:24,464 - Yes, your honor. - Okay. 791 00:51:27,839 --> 00:51:30,339 Good afternoon, everybody. 792 00:51:30,422 --> 00:51:32,339 We just wanna say, um, 793 00:51:32,422 --> 00:51:35,422 Mr. Raniere, uh, denies these allegations. 794 00:51:35,506 --> 00:51:38,422 We are looking forward to a swift resolution. 795 00:51:38,506 --> 00:51:40,547 We're not waiving any speedy trial time. 796 00:51:40,631 --> 00:51:42,839 We don't think the government can prove these things, 797 00:51:42,923 --> 00:51:45,089 and we look forward to our day in court. 798 00:51:45,172 --> 00:51:46,756 Some people might say that, uh, 799 00:51:46,839 --> 00:51:50,422 simply by virtue of the fact that he fled to Mexico, 800 00:51:50,506 --> 00:51:53,172 if that's the right word, that's... Those are the acts of the guilty. 801 00:51:53,255 --> 00:51:54,839 Keith Raniere did not flee to Mexico. 802 00:51:54,923 --> 00:51:57,589 We will explain what happened at the appropriate time. 803 00:51:57,673 --> 00:52:00,339 He's maintaining his innocence. I mean, 804 00:52:00,422 --> 00:52:03,381 to hear him say that, I mean, what comes to mind? 805 00:52:03,464 --> 00:52:06,381 He's a sociopath. Of course he's going to maintain his innocence. 806 00:52:06,464 --> 00:52:08,172 It's very hard for me to be in this courtroom 807 00:52:08,255 --> 00:52:10,923 because my, my daughter is a victim of this man. 808 00:52:11,005 --> 00:52:12,589 If you listen to what he has to say, 809 00:52:12,673 --> 00:52:15,422 he claims, you know, no one involved in this is a victim. 810 00:52:15,506 --> 00:52:17,130 But, but India is, in your mind. 811 00:52:17,214 --> 00:52:19,172 India... they're... Ultimately, they're all victims 812 00:52:19,255 --> 00:52:22,214 of, of Keith Raniere. Ultimately. 813 00:52:22,297 --> 00:52:24,255 If you could say something to your daughter right now? 814 00:52:24,339 --> 00:52:25,798 I love you. Come home. 815 00:52:25,881 --> 00:52:29,631 This is a case about how grown adults 816 00:52:29,714 --> 00:52:31,589 are intimate with each other, 817 00:52:31,673 --> 00:52:34,798 and the choices that grown adults make, 818 00:52:34,881 --> 00:52:37,172 in terms of how to live their lives. 819 00:52:37,255 --> 00:52:39,506 There are well-known groups of men 820 00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:41,297 that brand themselves. 821 00:52:41,381 --> 00:52:43,005 It's utterly uncontroversial. 822 00:52:43,089 --> 00:52:45,547 But a group of women decide to brand themselves, 823 00:52:45,631 --> 00:52:47,881 and then all of a sudden, we assume that they're victims. 824 00:52:47,964 --> 00:52:51,547 Quite frankly, I think this is something that women very much can do 825 00:52:51,631 --> 00:52:54,214 on their own, as a matter of their own free choice. 826 00:52:54,297 --> 00:52:57,255 And I, I assure you, I've spoken to many women. 827 00:52:57,339 --> 00:52:59,047 And they've given me their reasons. 828 00:52:59,130 --> 00:53:00,964 This was their choice. 829 00:53:01,047 --> 00:53:03,506 Raniere not the only member of NXIVM... 830 00:53:03,589 --> 00:53:05,255 Allison Mack's in a world of hurt. 831 00:53:05,339 --> 00:53:06,881 She was arraigned in federal court 832 00:53:06,964 --> 00:53:09,798 on charges of sex trafficking and forced labor. 833 00:53:09,881 --> 00:53:12,339 What do you say about the charges against you? 834 00:53:12,422 --> 00:53:15,047 Were you involved in a sex cult? 835 00:53:15,130 --> 00:53:18,172 The alleged financial backer of the operation, 836 00:53:18,255 --> 00:53:20,964 Clare Raniere, was also indicted today. 837 00:53:21,047 --> 00:53:25,506 I have never seen bail set as high as it was today. 838 00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:27,172 Clare Raniere could go free. 839 00:53:27,255 --> 00:53:30,673 All she had to do was post $100 million. 840 00:53:30,756 --> 00:53:32,673 Do you have anything to say? 841 00:53:32,756 --> 00:53:34,339 Arrested today, Nancy Raniere, 842 00:53:34,422 --> 00:53:36,506 the co-founder and president of NXIVM, 843 00:53:36,589 --> 00:53:38,422 as well as her daughter, Lauren Raniere. 844 00:53:38,506 --> 00:53:40,798 If convicted of these, uh, charges, 845 00:53:40,881 --> 00:53:43,214 they're looking at a maximum of 20 years. 846 00:53:43,297 --> 00:53:45,798 You co-founded this group, Nancy. 847 00:53:45,881 --> 00:53:49,631 Any comment? Why do you think you were misguided by Raniere? 848 00:53:55,798 --> 00:53:58,297 Now, when Keith and I got together, 849 00:53:58,381 --> 00:54:02,172 he asked me if I wanted him to be my mentor. 850 00:54:02,255 --> 00:54:05,923 And I said, "I would do anything to be your student." 851 00:54:06,005 --> 00:54:08,214 And he said to me, "not so fast. 852 00:54:08,297 --> 00:54:10,422 "If you're going to work with me, 853 00:54:10,506 --> 00:54:14,297 you have to work with me for the rest of your life." 854 00:54:24,005 --> 00:54:27,130 Loyalty is good in certain contexts, 855 00:54:27,214 --> 00:54:30,130 and very bad in other contexts. 856 00:54:30,214 --> 00:54:32,756 We talk about getting lost in the movie. 857 00:54:32,839 --> 00:54:37,547 We're kind of lost in the role of our life. 858 00:54:37,631 --> 00:54:40,923 What you have to do is stop believing that that's who you are. 859 00:54:41,005 --> 00:54:43,130 Then you can change your role. 860 00:54:58,339 --> 00:55:00,422 This call is from... 861 00:55:00,506 --> 00:55:01,964 Keith Raniere. 862 00:55:02,047 --> 00:55:04,923 An inmate at a federal prison. 863 00:55:42,798 --> 00:55:45,172 ♪ Days we were young ♪ 864 00:55:45,255 --> 00:55:47,464 ♪ we took photographs of ♪ 865 00:55:47,547 --> 00:55:50,756 ♪ everything we could be ♪ 866 00:55:52,255 --> 00:55:54,214 ♪ we knew we were ♪ 867 00:55:54,297 --> 00:56:00,172 ♪ impervious no matter how we'd bleed ♪ 868 00:56:00,255 --> 00:56:03,547 ♪ we never fought for breath ♪ 869 00:56:03,631 --> 00:56:05,506 ♪ priest and prophetess ♪ 870 00:56:05,589 --> 00:56:10,255 ♪ we were nothing we would defy ♪ 871 00:56:11,422 --> 00:56:15,214 ♪ oh, invincible skin ♪ 872 00:56:15,297 --> 00:56:18,297 ♪ it's how we all begin ♪ 873 00:56:19,756 --> 00:56:23,506 - ♪ oh oh oh ♪ - ♪ awake, awake ♪ 874 00:56:23,589 --> 00:56:27,297 - ♪ oh oh ♪ - ♪ this is a dream state ♪ 875 00:56:29,130 --> 00:56:34,005 ♪ oh oh oh, oh oh ♪ 876 00:56:38,089 --> 00:56:40,673 ♪ oh oh oh... ♪ 67272

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