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So, abuse is a made up human construct.
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As much as I thought
this was a curriculum for growth,
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it's really just a weapon.
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Everything was designed to protect him.
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I got played,
and I helped this guy build
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whatever he was building around him.
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And I was a part of that.
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We didn't join a cult!
Nobody joins a cult.
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Nobody!
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How we illustrate
human nobility is to get rid of
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the concept of victim like that.
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They may be assigning an FBI taskforce.
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They wanna speak to witnesses
immediately.
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I just had my meeting
with the FBI today.
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I gave them all my evidence.
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Tell the truth.
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Good people do bad things all the time.
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- Yeah, you're right.
- Oh, move the camera?
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Yeah,
move the camera, just a little bit.
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- So, you want me to...
- Yeah.
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Okay, I, I wrote a fable once,
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that started that
there was a mighty king
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that took over, uh, a culture,
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and this king used torture and fear
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to create obedience.
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And over time,
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people found that if they just
obeyed what the king said,
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there was peace across the land.
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But what they sacrificed
for that was their traditions,
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their customs,
and all of their identity.
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So they just became a group of slaves,
almost like cattle,
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that were used by the king.
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The threat of violence
was enough to keep social order.
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But if the king went
and killed everyone,
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then he would have to do all the work.
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So, the people who are being victimized
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have a certain power.
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And they can stand against the king.
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And even though the king has all
sorts of weapons that they don't have,
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and all sorts of violence
that they don't have,
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ultimately, they would likely prevail.
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♪ Days we were young ♪
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♪ we took photographs of
everything we could see ♪
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♪ we had to run from it ♪
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♪ priest and prophetess ♪
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♪ we were nothing
we would defy ♪
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♪ oh, invisible skin ♪
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♪ where is the world within ♪
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♪ invincible skin ♪
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♪ it's how we all begin ♪
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Frank.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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As of, uh, right now,
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our beloved Vanguard was in Monterrey.
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And I have a picture coming
with confirmation, so wait for it.
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He's on the run.
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Show us the
picture. Can you hold it up?
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Uh, yeah.
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So, the picture.
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That's Keith Raniere right there.
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And that was today,
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in Mexico.
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Then I'd like to call the FBI
and the police and tell them,
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"this is what we've heard's happening.
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"So, if you guys are serious
about any of this,
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"you're about to lose your shot,
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because there's thousands
of loyal ESP-ians in Mexico."
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The children of very
influential families
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are running the center down there.
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You know, like, Emiliano Salinas.
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He is the son of one
of the ex-presidents.
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He's sort of like
the JFK Jr. of Mexico.
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And so Keith had a lot
of political clout there.
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Greg?
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Hi, little pup. Aw!
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I mean, he's got a lot
of power around him down there.
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And they've moved
all their classes to Mexico?
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So, we're in a tricky spot, because
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law enforcement has said, "stop. Don't
do any more shit." And we're like...
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It's a, it's a waiting game.
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So didn't he have houses and offices
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and stuff like that in, um, Albany?
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Yeah. All in
other people's names.
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- Yeah.
- Many of them are...
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The houses are quiet and shuttered now.
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- So, all of that got disrupted.
- Yeah.
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There's still some diehards there.
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Like India? Is she one
of the diehards that are over there?
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Yeah.
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She's here.
I'm seeing her this afternoon.
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But she's not here recruiting people.
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We don't know.
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She's meeting with me
today at three o'clock.
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Well, and, and right now,
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she's got such blinders on that,
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she's not questioning
anything except for you.
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Correct. Shit.
What do I do if she's going...
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If she goes to Mexico?
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You just continually...
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It's the same way. It's kind
of like a reverse brainwash.
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You just continually play
the message over to her,
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till one day maybe she hears it.
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And the message is?
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Well, tell her to stop
doing weird shit.
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Okay.
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You know?
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"Stop doing..."
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Yeah. If you're doing weird
shit, people want to hear about it.
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Well, you ask questions that
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she would have to think about now.
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Why is he in Mexico?
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Why are the houses shuttered?
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- Yeah.
- Why is the FBI investigating him?
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Doesn't it seem a little odd
that a guy who's
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on the up-and-up
and doing good business
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and helping people
and doing the right thing
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has to move to Mexico?
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So, 2000 and...
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I think nine, was when...
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A number of the Mexicans
spoke to him at v week
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and said, you know,
"we are under enormous,
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"uh, fear in our country.
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"You know, we're being kidnapped,
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kidnapping is a business. You know,
we don't know what to do."
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And Keith said,
"I can solve this."
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Keith called all the Mexicans
together and sat and spoke to them,
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and I recorded all those conversations.
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Good to see you.
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- Marquitos.
- Yes!
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It's interesting, because
when I was express kidnapped,
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I asked a lot of questions,
and I had a conversation with these guys.
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Uh, and for them at least,
my impression was,
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that they go into their business, like,
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like they tell their wives,
you know, "I'm going to work."
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NXIVM Mexico, I mean,
it just, it basically seemed like
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they lived in some kind of
rarefied air.
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A lot of money.
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And even in the mission statement,
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it talks about reaching the most
influential, powerful, you know,
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wealthiest people, blah, blah,
in the world because...
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If you go and try
and give this education
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to the people that have zero influence,
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the lowest laborers,
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they have no influence
over society at all.
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The only sustainable way
to change a society
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is the wealthiest, most powerful people
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needed this education.
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And that would trickle down
to everything else.
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I think part of the problem here
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is that you guys are numb
to your own condition.
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Class neutrality is one of the
biggest problems in Mexico.
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It's one of the things that's
generating a lot of fear, if you will.
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The entitlement of the poor
to take from the rich,
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and the fear of the poor that they're,
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they're nothing. Oblivion.
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And the fear of the rich that they've
gotten their riches for no reason
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and really, they don't
deserve them, either.
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I want you to imagine a $10 bill.
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Do you know what that $10 bill means?
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Some person in Mexico is
probably willing to work, what, a day?
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They're willing to go and sweat,
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and spend a whole day,
just to get that little piece of paper.
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You hold the life of
a whole family in your hand
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when you hold that $10 bill.
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And you go out and spend
that $10 bill on what?
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Drinks at a bar?
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That's what I think of your family.
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That's what I think of your efforts.
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That's what I think
of a whole day of your work.
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I just piss it off.
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I piss on your family.
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So why am I saying all of this?
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'Cause you have to understand
the nature of it,
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and you have to understand
the nature of what you do.
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And do the wealthy people
have to change? Yeah.
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You have to respect
the wealth that you have,
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and what it represents in the world.
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Keith said to me,
"you know, it would be cool
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if you could continue
documenting this." I said, "I'd love to."
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So I followed them
down to Mexico to see
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what would they do with these,
this information in these meetings.
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This thing will not work
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if you do not resolve
your class struggle.
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You have to be visible, day after day,
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location after location,
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on the radio, in the news.
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Yes, I am.
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Although I don't know how
to implement this.
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I, I don't know how to
organize people like that.
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Well, start small.
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In lak'ech translates to
"you are my other me."
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So there's two aspects.
There's the economic aspect,
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which is the creation
of affluence, so to speak.
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And then the other hand is
peaceful drills and tools of peace.
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Every Sunday at 3:00 P.M.,
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3,000 to 5,000 people would stand
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all over Mexico and basically say this
particular pledge that he had written.
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All violence is a mistaken identity.
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All violence traces back to a, a fear.
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So what is the nature of compassion?
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To get to the root of the violence,
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to transform the violence.
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I decided to make a
film about the movement.
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I named it
"encender El corazón."
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"Ignite the heart."
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I was like, I'm gonna fucking
make this film a wakeup call.
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And so I found great stories.
And great people.
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I met Toni Zarattini in ESP,
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probably in 2005.
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And Toni was kidnapped,
um, many years before.
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And for ransom from his family,
they cut off his ears,
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and they cut off one of his fingers.
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Toni and I had known
each other for a long time,
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and I considered him a hero.
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He tried to escape once
from his kidnappers.
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They beat the shit out of him,
put him back in,
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and eventually he tried again,
and, and got away.
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Toni's a great man.
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He was a coach in NXIVM,
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until he discovered that one of his
dear friends was involved in dos,
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and had been branded,
and he was horrified.
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And so his battle with the entire
Mexican ESP community began.
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One of the reasons I got out
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is when I learned that Mark
had gotten out.
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It was like,
"what? He got out?
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"Mark Vicente got out?
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"He's like, like what?
How? He's a green.
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"He's on the board.
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What do you... what...
What do you mean he's out?"
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And they said, "no, well,
he wanted to go make movies."
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Didn't make any sense.
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This is my friend.
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Hola.
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Um, do you have any updates?
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I hope so, Toni, because if it doesn't,
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they're gonna hunt us forever.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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There's been a
certain level of uncertainty
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because of, like,
law enforcement getting more involved.
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And I don't know if
they have a case or not.
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Everything we did before was,
we need to get this exposed.
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We need to get this out there.
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We had a certain amount of
control over what we were doing.
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And it feels like it's less
in our hands now.
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When I first saw her, like, oh,
my god. I love this child so much.
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Just being able to, like,
kiss her and hug her.
250
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And...
251
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I feel so many mixed emotions,
I can't tell you.
252
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On one hand,
253
00:16:07,255 --> 00:16:09,005
I did... I planted a lot of stuff,
254
00:16:09,089 --> 00:16:12,255
but I swear to god,
I felt like I was planting seeds...
255
00:16:14,964 --> 00:16:17,130
In...
256
00:16:17,214 --> 00:16:18,464
Granite.
257
00:16:18,547 --> 00:16:20,339
Well, there's no getting through to her
258
00:16:20,422 --> 00:16:22,923
that what she's doing
is super fucked up.
259
00:16:23,005 --> 00:16:25,297
And I did say what Greg said.
Like, I said, you know,
260
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"this is very weird." She said,
"so what if it's weird?"
261
00:16:27,714 --> 00:16:29,756
I mean, what do you say to somebody?
262
00:16:29,839 --> 00:16:32,506
I'm like, "well, the world
thinks it's weird."
263
00:16:32,589 --> 00:16:34,089
And I said, "not okay weird.
264
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Like fuck...
Like, creepy weird."
265
00:16:39,381 --> 00:16:41,839
But it doesn't seem to be
a problem for her.
266
00:16:48,631 --> 00:16:52,381
And I can just see how, um,
267
00:16:54,047 --> 00:16:57,839
like, how her morality has been bent.
268
00:16:57,923 --> 00:17:00,881
So I was saying, "well,
what if people are going to jail?
269
00:17:00,964 --> 00:17:03,756
And what if people
have broken the law?"
270
00:17:03,839 --> 00:17:06,464
And she said, "well,
I don't think that I've done anything,
271
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personally, to break the law."
272
00:17:08,047 --> 00:17:10,839
I said, "I believe that you would
never break the law knowingly."
273
00:17:10,923 --> 00:17:14,923
I said, "but what if you were guided
to break the law by people who knew?
274
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Why do you think Keith fled?"
275
00:17:18,589 --> 00:17:22,501
"Well..." her response is, "cause there's
a lot of people who don't like him."
276
00:17:22,526 --> 00:17:25,360
And I'm like, "well,
why do you think they don't like him?"
277
00:17:26,089 --> 00:17:27,464
And...
278
00:17:29,047 --> 00:17:31,506
Again, she couldn't really come up...
279
00:17:31,589 --> 00:17:33,756
She couldn't come up with an answer.
280
00:17:37,631 --> 00:17:41,673
She really thinks that Mark
and Bonnie are the masterminds
281
00:17:41,756 --> 00:17:43,381
of this whole operation,
282
00:17:43,464 --> 00:17:45,339
and that I'm being used
by Mark and Bonnie.
283
00:17:45,422 --> 00:17:48,798
Uh, Sarah and Nippy are being used,
like, everybody's being used.
284
00:18:01,756 --> 00:18:03,464
If there's hope...
285
00:18:05,673 --> 00:18:09,381
It's not in any of the words
that were communicated.
286
00:18:09,464 --> 00:18:12,923
It's in... it's in here.
287
00:18:13,005 --> 00:18:14,673
You know?
288
00:18:14,756 --> 00:18:17,839
What we're up against is such darkness.
289
00:18:19,839 --> 00:18:22,381
Such incredible darkness.
290
00:18:44,422 --> 00:18:45,881
I don't have any evidence at all,
291
00:18:45,964 --> 00:18:47,255
but I feel like we're
gonna get her back.
292
00:18:47,339 --> 00:18:50,297
But I don't have any evidence at all.
293
00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:26,974
To prepare for landing,
294
00:19:26,999 --> 00:19:30,172
please close your tray table,
and put away carry-on items.
295
00:19:30,255 --> 00:19:32,444
Place your seat in the original...
296
00:19:32,469 --> 00:19:34,714
When Mark and I left,
we put everything in storage
297
00:19:34,798 --> 00:19:36,297
Any items you wish to discard...
298
00:19:36,381 --> 00:19:38,506
It's years and years of our lives.
299
00:19:38,589 --> 00:19:40,464
We'll be landing soon.
300
00:19:55,756 --> 00:19:57,214
Now that Keith's gone,
301
00:19:57,297 --> 00:19:59,422
we finally feel okay to go back.
302
00:20:01,631 --> 00:20:03,714
I can see why we like LA.
303
00:20:03,798 --> 00:20:06,839
This is, like, gray and dead.
304
00:20:06,923 --> 00:20:08,923
- Disgusting.
- Yeah.
305
00:20:10,964 --> 00:20:12,881
But being back here just reminds me
306
00:20:12,964 --> 00:20:15,172
of the heartache of, like,
how much we've lost, you know?
307
00:20:15,255 --> 00:20:18,297
We have lost a lot of friends.
308
00:20:31,464 --> 00:20:34,047
You want to go first or you want me?
309
00:20:38,839 --> 00:20:40,214
It's a puppy.
310
00:20:40,297 --> 00:20:41,923
It's a puppy.
311
00:20:42,005 --> 00:20:44,130
- It's a puppy. It's a puppy.
- Hi.
312
00:20:44,631 --> 00:20:46,464
Hi.
313
00:20:46,547 --> 00:20:48,798
- Hi, puppy.
- Oh, you're so... are you cold?
314
00:20:48,881 --> 00:20:49,688
Come in here.
315
00:20:49,712 --> 00:20:50,940
Oh, no, I'm all right.
I actually kind of like it.
316
00:20:51,542 --> 00:20:52,047
- Hi!
- Hi.
317
00:20:52,130 --> 00:20:55,005
- Hey.
- How's it going?
318
00:20:55,089 --> 00:20:57,631
Something I never thought
I'd see standing in my doorway.
319
00:20:57,714 --> 00:20:58,881
- Really?
- Yeah.
320
00:20:58,964 --> 00:21:00,506
Yeah. You.
321
00:21:02,839 --> 00:21:05,255
Where do you wanna sit?
Actually, I'll sit here, boo.
322
00:21:05,339 --> 00:21:07,756
- Yeah. Okay.
- And you sit here.
323
00:21:07,839 --> 00:21:10,005
Toni, thank you so much for
opening up your house to us.
324
00:21:10,089 --> 00:21:12,798
Oh, and, listen,
thank you so much for opening your eyes.
325
00:21:12,881 --> 00:21:15,089
- It took a while.
- Like, that's just...
326
00:21:15,172 --> 00:21:17,381
- It took a while.
- Hey, I don't care
327
00:21:17,464 --> 00:21:19,047
when anyone wakes up,
328
00:21:19,130 --> 00:21:22,172
how they wake up,
as long as they wake up.
329
00:21:24,172 --> 00:21:25,923
- Is that right? How did that work?
- Well...
330
00:21:26,005 --> 00:21:27,923
- I don't... let me think.
- I never felt like enemies.
331
00:21:28,005 --> 00:21:30,255
- I never felt...
- I felt like you were enemies.
332
00:21:30,339 --> 00:21:32,005
No, I, I understand,
333
00:21:32,089 --> 00:21:33,881
- and you should have, absolutely.
- I'm sorry.
334
00:21:33,964 --> 00:21:35,422
- Yeah.
- No, no. You should have.
335
00:21:35,506 --> 00:21:37,631
- Not anymore!
- Right.
336
00:21:37,714 --> 00:21:38,964
It's good.
337
00:21:39,047 --> 00:21:41,297
It had to be very difficult for him
338
00:21:41,381 --> 00:21:45,172
to not be able to split you
guys up. So how hard did he try?
339
00:21:45,255 --> 00:21:47,547
Pretty trying.
Pretty hard after I left, yeah.
340
00:21:47,631 --> 00:21:49,964
Yeah. To me, you...
341
00:21:50,047 --> 00:21:52,673
You both leaving was a big deal.
342
00:21:52,756 --> 00:21:56,631
Because someone
that close to him leaving,
343
00:21:56,714 --> 00:21:58,881
is a crack in his plate.
344
00:22:00,714 --> 00:22:02,839
When he loses that control,
345
00:22:02,923 --> 00:22:04,673
he loses his mind.
346
00:22:06,631 --> 00:22:08,506
I have something for you.
347
00:22:10,381 --> 00:22:15,130
I'm looking for the letter
that I sent to Mark in 2010.
348
00:22:15,214 --> 00:22:17,255
- 2010?
- Mm-hmm.
349
00:22:17,339 --> 00:22:19,297
Right when I came in.
350
00:22:19,381 --> 00:22:20,798
- Yeah.
- Wow.
351
00:22:20,881 --> 00:22:23,172
But I, I never received it back then.
352
00:22:23,255 --> 00:22:24,547
So that was like eight years ago.
353
00:22:24,631 --> 00:22:26,172
Mm-hmm.
354
00:22:26,255 --> 00:22:28,339
- Is that the one?
- Yeah, yeah. That's it.
355
00:22:28,422 --> 00:22:31,673
Um, it was in response to a Ted talk
356
00:22:31,756 --> 00:22:33,547
that Mark did.
357
00:22:34,089 --> 00:22:35,464
My name is Mark Vicente.
358
00:22:35,547 --> 00:22:38,673
I'm a filmmaker from the
apartheid era South Africa.
359
00:22:38,756 --> 00:22:41,047
I have as my mentor
an American scientist
360
00:22:41,130 --> 00:22:43,756
and philosopher by the
name of Keith Raniere.
361
00:22:44,589 --> 00:22:46,339
He asked me a question,
362
00:22:46,422 --> 00:22:48,130
and the question he asked me was,
363
00:22:48,214 --> 00:22:50,464
"what is bravery?"
364
00:22:50,547 --> 00:22:51,798
What is it?
365
00:22:54,673 --> 00:22:56,339
Nobody's ever seen this letter.
366
00:22:56,422 --> 00:22:59,673
No. No. I just sent it to you.
367
00:22:59,756 --> 00:23:01,130
It says, "Mark,
368
00:23:01,214 --> 00:23:02,964
"I think it's very important
that you temper
369
00:23:03,047 --> 00:23:06,255
"how much of your good deeds
you attribute to Keith Raniere.
370
00:23:06,339 --> 00:23:10,381
"By attributing your goodness
to Raniere, you give him credit.
371
00:23:10,464 --> 00:23:14,047
"And worse yet, credibility,
where none is due.
372
00:23:14,130 --> 00:23:16,047
"Just look at how he cons people
373
00:23:16,130 --> 00:23:17,839
"into believing that
they are doing good deeds,
374
00:23:17,923 --> 00:23:20,798
"when in fact,
all they're doing is helping to make
375
00:23:20,881 --> 00:23:23,130
"his sordid lifestyle possible.
376
00:23:23,214 --> 00:23:25,756
"If only you and others
would be brave enough
377
00:23:25,839 --> 00:23:27,714
"to truly look at his past
and his present,
378
00:23:27,798 --> 00:23:30,547
"and objectively,
you would see that you've been conned.
379
00:23:30,631 --> 00:23:33,923
"Keith destroys people's lives
and will continue to do so
380
00:23:34,005 --> 00:23:36,839
"until people like yourself
are brave enough
381
00:23:36,923 --> 00:23:38,589
"to really look at what he does.
382
00:23:38,673 --> 00:23:40,381
"And if you choose not to,
383
00:23:40,464 --> 00:23:42,631
then you must ask yourself why."
384
00:23:45,047 --> 00:23:46,255
You did, though.
385
00:23:46,339 --> 00:23:48,589
- Mm-hmm. Finally.
- You did wake up.
386
00:23:48,673 --> 00:23:49,673
Yeah, but you know what?
387
00:23:49,756 --> 00:23:51,089
- It doesn't matter.
- Seven years later.
388
00:23:51,172 --> 00:23:54,005
It doesn't matter, Mark.
It's that you woke up.
389
00:23:54,089 --> 00:23:55,839
Yeah, I wish I got it.
390
00:23:55,923 --> 00:23:57,130
You weren't ready.
391
00:23:57,214 --> 00:23:58,506
I wasn't ready.
392
00:24:21,881 --> 00:24:23,506
Fuckin' hell.
393
00:24:24,673 --> 00:24:25,714
Aah.
394
00:24:36,964 --> 00:24:39,506
This, this is our old house right here.
395
00:24:40,381 --> 00:24:42,339
On top of the garage, to the right,
396
00:24:42,422 --> 00:24:44,714
- the receivers and transmitters.
- See, they're watching us.
397
00:24:44,798 --> 00:24:46,532
There's probably a camera there,
as well.
398
00:24:46,557 --> 00:24:48,639
- They're watching us.
- They're probably watching us, yeah.
399
00:24:49,089 --> 00:24:50,506
They have, like,
400
00:24:50,589 --> 00:24:53,089
cameras all around
at the ESP-ians' houses.
401
00:24:53,172 --> 00:24:55,547
So they're monitoring.
Someone's monitoring.
402
00:24:56,547 --> 00:24:59,381
Keith could be looking
at that in Mexico.
403
00:25:01,047 --> 00:25:02,673
Puts us in a little bit of danger.
404
00:25:02,756 --> 00:25:04,422
If they have papers ready for us,
405
00:25:04,506 --> 00:25:07,547
and they've been trying to find us,
they could come and serve us.
406
00:25:07,631 --> 00:25:09,631
'Cause we've been in hiding.
407
00:25:14,714 --> 00:25:16,589
This is dark right here.
408
00:25:21,798 --> 00:25:24,464
Keith was trying to see
how submissive I'd be.
409
00:25:24,547 --> 00:25:27,506
And he'd call me for walks
at like, 3:00 A.M.
410
00:25:27,589 --> 00:25:29,964
And I just jumped
right out of bed and went,
411
00:25:30,047 --> 00:25:32,464
like it was, it was an honor.
412
00:26:24,631 --> 00:26:25,964
Okay.
413
00:27:27,631 --> 00:27:29,464
At one point in
the middle of the night,
414
00:27:29,547 --> 00:27:30,798
I was walking with him,
415
00:27:30,881 --> 00:27:33,964
and he was doing little tests with me.
416
00:27:34,047 --> 00:27:38,589
And he said, you know,
"why don't you run towards that tree?
417
00:27:38,673 --> 00:27:40,964
So I started... I ran towards
the tree and I stopped.
418
00:27:41,047 --> 00:27:42,923
I didn't mash my face up.
419
00:27:43,005 --> 00:27:47,839
And I came back and he said, "interesting
how protective of your body you are."
420
00:27:50,005 --> 00:27:51,798
And I felt ashamed.
421
00:27:51,881 --> 00:27:54,464
But I saw that as a limitation.
422
00:27:54,547 --> 00:27:57,923
And then he said, you know,
"you're so uptight about dirt.
423
00:27:58,005 --> 00:28:01,964
Go and lick that puddle. You're so
uptight about dirt. Lick the puddle."
424
00:28:02,047 --> 00:28:03,923
So I went and licked the puddle.
425
00:28:04,923 --> 00:28:07,297
I was trying to let down my, my guards,
426
00:28:07,381 --> 00:28:09,297
and all my fears, and, you know,
427
00:28:09,381 --> 00:28:12,130
to open myself up to his teaching.
428
00:28:13,047 --> 00:28:15,964
I think I failed
whatever his tests were.
429
00:28:23,673 --> 00:28:26,255
Okay, let's, let's just do a...
430
00:28:26,339 --> 00:28:28,339
Start it.
Let's see, here.
431
00:28:28,422 --> 00:28:30,422
Sorry. Could you just...
432
00:28:30,506 --> 00:28:33,089
I'm a little punchy, that's all.
433
00:28:33,172 --> 00:28:36,047
Don't mind me.
434
00:28:42,130 --> 00:28:44,422
This is history of the movement, right?
435
00:28:47,798 --> 00:28:49,339
Who cares?
436
00:28:55,798 --> 00:28:57,506
Boring?
437
00:28:57,589 --> 00:29:00,964
Not boring, but not of the
emotional tenor you need.
438
00:29:01,047 --> 00:29:02,964
The reason why I think you should is...
439
00:29:03,047 --> 00:29:06,673
The thing that I say about
Mexico being an optimal time,
440
00:29:06,756 --> 00:29:09,214
maybe that's something.
441
00:29:09,297 --> 00:29:13,506
This is very documentary,
intellectual...
442
00:29:13,589 --> 00:29:14,923
In this situation,
443
00:29:15,005 --> 00:29:19,589
I see there are four basic
philosophies for which...
444
00:29:19,673 --> 00:29:22,089
Great. I don't give a shit.
445
00:29:22,172 --> 00:29:23,798
I don't even know the word philosophy.
446
00:29:23,881 --> 00:29:25,923
I'm a typical person watching this.
447
00:29:27,839 --> 00:29:31,130
I mean,
I... nothing against being myself.
448
00:29:32,881 --> 00:29:35,297
Now, to, to put this on pause a second.
449
00:29:36,547 --> 00:29:38,130
So again, I have to keep in mind,
450
00:29:38,214 --> 00:29:40,506
who's the typical person
that's seeing this?
451
00:29:40,589 --> 00:29:43,673
If you go to all of the wealthy,
educated people
452
00:29:43,756 --> 00:29:45,506
and they all see this film,
and whatever,
453
00:29:45,589 --> 00:29:47,172
you're not gonna change Mexico.
454
00:29:47,255 --> 00:29:48,756
It's not gonna work.
455
00:29:48,839 --> 00:29:51,214
I don't... do you... I don't
think I need to see much more.
456
00:29:51,297 --> 00:29:54,381
I think you need to
rethink this. It's essential.
457
00:29:54,464 --> 00:29:56,089
I agree.
458
00:29:56,172 --> 00:29:58,089
- Okay.
- Thanks.
459
00:29:58,172 --> 00:30:00,130
- So I'll speak to you later.
- Yes, you will.
460
00:30:00,214 --> 00:30:02,047
- Later, later.
- I gotta think.
461
00:30:02,130 --> 00:30:03,673
This is funny.
462
00:30:03,756 --> 00:30:07,005
I knew I'd mess things up.
463
00:30:07,089 --> 00:30:09,005
Yeah, I knew you would, too.
464
00:30:09,089 --> 00:30:11,422
He made people feel
really shit about themselves
465
00:30:11,506 --> 00:30:12,881
so that they would feel
466
00:30:12,964 --> 00:30:16,005
they owed so much more
than they were giving
467
00:30:18,005 --> 00:30:20,339
he really worked Emiliano
468
00:30:20,422 --> 00:30:23,089
about the power and corruption
of his family,
469
00:30:23,172 --> 00:30:27,130
and used that to try to convince
Emiliano that he had a lot to do
470
00:30:27,214 --> 00:30:28,673
to fix what his family had done,
471
00:30:28,756 --> 00:30:31,756
which is exactly what he did
with Clare and Sara, as well.
472
00:30:31,839 --> 00:30:33,089
Bye-bye.
473
00:30:33,172 --> 00:30:35,839
Bye-bye. Bye-bye.
474
00:30:36,881 --> 00:30:38,464
You felt like shit,
475
00:30:38,547 --> 00:30:41,130
and he was the only one
that could fix it.
476
00:30:54,714 --> 00:30:56,422
I mean, it's a long story.
477
00:30:58,255 --> 00:31:00,214
Um, 30-second version.
478
00:31:00,297 --> 00:31:02,464
Lived here for 12 years.
Was part of an organization
479
00:31:02,547 --> 00:31:04,089
that turned out to be
a very dangerous cult.
480
00:31:04,172 --> 00:31:06,714
Blew the whistle on human
trafficking and sex trafficking.
481
00:31:06,798 --> 00:31:09,005
Now there's a massive
federal investigation underway.
482
00:31:09,089 --> 00:31:11,255
This is the first time
we're back in a year.
483
00:31:12,756 --> 00:31:14,464
Do you mind if I
ask what they're called?
484
00:31:14,547 --> 00:31:17,047
The umbrella
company is NXIVM. N-x-i-v-m.
485
00:31:17,130 --> 00:31:18,673
- No way.
- That's the one!
486
00:31:18,756 --> 00:31:21,756
I actually had a meeting with
them one time, accidentally.
487
00:31:39,631 --> 00:31:41,130
Right? Like, just that...
488
00:31:48,964 --> 00:31:50,255
And it's weird. I don't know.
489
00:31:50,339 --> 00:31:52,214
It starts off,
it feels like real answers.
490
00:31:52,297 --> 00:31:54,714
Like, I think the experience
you had was weird.
491
00:31:54,798 --> 00:31:56,631
But there are different ways
that, like...
492
00:31:56,714 --> 00:31:59,381
For us, we came in because
we had real, legitimate,
493
00:31:59,464 --> 00:32:01,547
good experiences with people.
494
00:32:01,631 --> 00:32:04,089
And it was people we trusted.
495
00:32:04,172 --> 00:32:06,130
- So...
- Yeah. No, I think it all starts
496
00:32:06,214 --> 00:32:08,673
with someone you know,
essentially, right?
497
00:32:09,839 --> 00:32:11,214
No. No.
498
00:32:11,297 --> 00:32:13,673
I dragged her in.
499
00:32:13,756 --> 00:32:15,172
Yeah.
500
00:32:15,255 --> 00:32:17,589
I think the hardest thing is the shame.
501
00:32:17,673 --> 00:32:21,339
It's easy to think that people
are stupid for getting involved.
502
00:32:22,005 --> 00:32:24,089
And I don't think we're stupid.
503
00:32:24,172 --> 00:32:26,923
I think we're sensitive,
good people, and...
504
00:32:27,005 --> 00:32:28,506
It's just... it's hard.
505
00:32:30,673 --> 00:32:32,839
- Not anymore.
- Not anymore.
506
00:32:53,005 --> 00:32:54,297
This is our life.
507
00:32:54,381 --> 00:32:57,756
Oh, geez.
508
00:33:02,255 --> 00:33:04,381
It was a whole apartment.
509
00:33:10,714 --> 00:33:12,130
Look what I found.
510
00:33:12,214 --> 00:33:14,547
First one I had as a camera assistant.
511
00:33:14,631 --> 00:33:16,798
- Wow.
- That's my action figure.
512
00:33:16,881 --> 00:33:18,756
I've got very long arms.
513
00:33:20,714 --> 00:33:22,506
I wrote this book.
514
00:33:23,422 --> 00:33:25,005
In another life.
515
00:33:26,172 --> 00:33:28,297
It's a lot of shit to go through.
516
00:33:30,506 --> 00:33:32,881
I mean, I've got modules, here.
517
00:33:35,589 --> 00:33:38,923
"World audience."
"Pain and suffering."
518
00:33:40,381 --> 00:33:42,422
Oh, shifter strategy!
519
00:33:43,464 --> 00:33:46,172
- Oh, you got "shifter" there?
- Yep.
520
00:33:46,255 --> 00:33:49,339
"The term 'shifter'
does not usually refer to a person,
521
00:33:49,422 --> 00:33:53,089
"but rather to a strategy that
is an unlimited form of cheating.
522
00:33:53,172 --> 00:33:55,130
"Have you ever seen a magic trick
523
00:33:55,214 --> 00:33:58,255
that was so incredible that you
couldn't figure out how it was done?"
524
00:33:58,339 --> 00:34:00,297
Oh, wait. How do you do that?
525
00:34:02,589 --> 00:34:04,339
"Maybe you wanted
to watch it again and again
526
00:34:04,422 --> 00:34:05,506
"to try to figure it out.
527
00:34:05,589 --> 00:34:07,089
"Then one day, you learned
how it was done
528
00:34:07,172 --> 00:34:09,422
"and you couldn't believe
that you were taken in by it.
529
00:34:09,506 --> 00:34:11,339
It became so obvious to you."
530
00:34:11,422 --> 00:34:13,631
Tails.
531
00:34:13,714 --> 00:34:14,964
Tails.
532
00:34:15,047 --> 00:34:17,297
"We do not live in a world
that plays by the rules.
533
00:34:17,381 --> 00:34:19,422
If you and I are
playing a game..."
534
00:34:19,506 --> 00:34:21,381
And I'm cheating and you're not,
535
00:34:21,464 --> 00:34:24,214
chances are, I'm gonna win.
Unless you discover my cheating.
536
00:34:24,297 --> 00:34:26,589
- Hand goes faster than the quarter does.
- Oh!
537
00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:29,047
Right.
538
00:34:32,130 --> 00:34:34,714
Ooh, what's this?
539
00:34:34,798 --> 00:34:37,381
Someone with very low self-esteem.
540
00:34:37,464 --> 00:34:39,172
"Whenever this person
sees something good,
541
00:34:39,255 --> 00:34:41,130
"they want to suppress it
and destroy it.
542
00:34:41,214 --> 00:34:44,589
These people never have
anything nice to say about anyone."
543
00:34:46,589 --> 00:34:50,339
After I left, I heard that I
was being called a suppressive.
544
00:34:50,422 --> 00:34:53,673
Cause you're not allowed to ask questions
and you're not allowed to leave.
545
00:34:59,506 --> 00:35:03,339
In ESP, we learned that everyone
has suppressive tendencies.
546
00:35:03,422 --> 00:35:06,047
We all have narcissistic traits.
547
00:35:06,130 --> 00:35:08,506
But a full suppressive is someone who,
548
00:35:08,589 --> 00:35:10,673
like, really has bad intent,
549
00:35:10,756 --> 00:35:12,255
and wants to hurt people.
550
00:35:12,339 --> 00:35:15,714
That was described in
the module "the fall."
551
00:35:15,798 --> 00:35:18,005
There's an
interesting book written, uh,
552
00:35:18,089 --> 00:35:20,673
poem, actually,
"paradise lost," by Milton.
553
00:35:20,756 --> 00:35:24,422
Written a while ago.
It's about the fall of Lucifer
554
00:35:24,506 --> 00:35:26,089
from the garden of Eden.
555
00:35:26,172 --> 00:35:28,506
At one point,
he's personifying Lucifer,
556
00:35:28,589 --> 00:35:31,756
and Lucifer looks up and sees heaven,
557
00:35:31,839 --> 00:35:35,172
and then sees heaven's creation,
which is man.
558
00:35:35,255 --> 00:35:39,589
And you know what Lucifer's
first reaction to man is?
559
00:35:39,673 --> 00:35:42,381
He is amazed by man.
560
00:35:43,297 --> 00:35:46,964
He admires, even loves, man.
561
00:35:47,047 --> 00:35:49,005
One can interpret that.
562
00:35:49,089 --> 00:35:51,464
But then you know what his reaction is?
563
00:35:51,547 --> 00:35:55,464
"That creature reminds me
of what I lost.
564
00:35:55,547 --> 00:35:58,339
"The perfection of that creature
565
00:35:58,422 --> 00:36:02,297
"brings such hate, such memories,
566
00:36:02,381 --> 00:36:05,547
"such awful things in me.
I must destroy that.
567
00:36:05,631 --> 00:36:09,464
I don't want to see heaven
embodied anywhere."
568
00:36:09,547 --> 00:36:12,047
So he seeks to destroy.
569
00:36:15,464 --> 00:36:18,798
So, "the fall" was described as,
like, this discovery
570
00:36:18,881 --> 00:36:21,172
that a person can make.
571
00:36:21,255 --> 00:36:25,130
That if their self-esteem
gets super, super low,
572
00:36:25,214 --> 00:36:27,506
they actually have a ton of options
573
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:29,172
if they destroy their conscience,
574
00:36:29,255 --> 00:36:31,464
and by hurting people
575
00:36:31,547 --> 00:36:33,255
or by doing destructive things,
576
00:36:33,339 --> 00:36:36,089
they actually can feel good.
577
00:36:36,172 --> 00:36:39,089
This is what Vanguard terms
a luciferian.
578
00:36:39,172 --> 00:36:42,923
It's the worst possible thing
that could ever occur,
579
00:36:43,005 --> 00:36:45,798
because Luciferians look like you,
580
00:36:45,881 --> 00:36:47,798
and they seem to act like you,
581
00:36:47,881 --> 00:36:49,339
but they are nothing like you.
582
00:36:49,422 --> 00:36:51,464
It's like an aching.
They wake up in the morning,
583
00:36:51,547 --> 00:36:54,798
and they feel vengeful.
They feel bad.
584
00:36:54,881 --> 00:36:57,881
And the only thing that can
relieve that gut, that pain,
585
00:36:57,964 --> 00:37:01,964
is to go out and destroy
and to exercise power.
586
00:37:11,923 --> 00:37:13,756
Keith did seem to have,
587
00:37:13,839 --> 00:37:16,381
like, a fascination with psychopaths,
588
00:37:16,464 --> 00:37:18,464
and people who were really evil,
589
00:37:18,547 --> 00:37:20,589
or had, had no conscience.
590
00:37:21,964 --> 00:37:25,172
If those people of what
we call anti-conscience,
591
00:37:25,255 --> 00:37:27,881
the luciferic people, didn't exist,
592
00:37:27,964 --> 00:37:29,714
we'd have to invent them.
593
00:37:29,798 --> 00:37:31,547
They're very important for us.
594
00:37:31,631 --> 00:37:34,255
- Mm-hmm.
- It's a real partnership.
595
00:37:34,339 --> 00:37:37,506
And such a person could even argue that
596
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:39,547
genetically, they are superior.
597
00:37:39,631 --> 00:37:41,756
They're not burdened by a conscience.
598
00:37:41,839 --> 00:37:43,964
They're not burdened
by a system of honor.
599
00:37:44,047 --> 00:37:45,381
They're machiavellian.
600
00:37:45,464 --> 00:37:47,923
The sociopath, who doesn't
have the circuitry in the brain,
601
00:37:48,005 --> 00:37:50,255
looks at everything like a video game.
602
00:37:50,339 --> 00:37:51,881
And because they
look at things like that,
603
00:37:51,964 --> 00:37:53,923
they have more degrees of freedom
604
00:37:54,005 --> 00:37:55,756
than an empathy-feeling person.
605
00:37:55,839 --> 00:37:58,589
The truth of the matter is,
sociopaths have made us what we were.
606
00:37:58,673 --> 00:38:01,798
If it weren't for sociopaths,
we wouldn't understand compassion.
607
00:38:05,172 --> 00:38:06,506
Yeah.
608
00:38:08,047 --> 00:38:10,172
I thought that that
was just because he wanted
609
00:38:10,255 --> 00:38:13,339
to help people not become that way,
610
00:38:13,422 --> 00:38:15,422
and know what they were looking at,
611
00:38:15,506 --> 00:38:18,798
so they could avoid being
hurt by people like that.
612
00:38:18,881 --> 00:38:22,130
But I think ultimately,
what he was doing was just
613
00:38:22,214 --> 00:38:24,381
putting everything in plain sight.
614
00:38:26,089 --> 00:38:28,798
I had the kind of love
with Keith that was uneasy,
615
00:38:28,881 --> 00:38:32,047
because I loved him
and I was afraid of him.
616
00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:21,214
It feels like, uh...
617
00:39:21,297 --> 00:39:24,130
I looked into hell
and I got stuck there.
618
00:39:27,756 --> 00:39:30,255
I feel super fucked up.
619
00:39:32,339 --> 00:39:33,923
I read the document on my computer.
620
00:39:34,005 --> 00:39:37,172
It was just called "v.Doc."
621
00:39:37,255 --> 00:39:39,631
The "v" was the nickname
622
00:39:39,714 --> 00:39:42,798
for Keith Raniere, like Vanguard.
623
00:39:44,339 --> 00:39:46,339
I didn't know what it was,
and I just, like,
624
00:39:46,422 --> 00:39:50,005
opened it up and I read it,
and I was like, "what the fuck?"
625
00:39:50,089 --> 00:39:53,214
And it's basically...
It's like a story idea...
626
00:39:53,297 --> 00:39:55,547
That he came up with.
627
00:39:55,631 --> 00:39:59,547
And, um, basically about,
like, a corporation
628
00:39:59,631 --> 00:40:01,297
where there's like a,
629
00:40:01,381 --> 00:40:03,255
a good guy that's running
the corporation,
630
00:40:03,339 --> 00:40:06,381
and there's like this mentor character.
631
00:40:06,464 --> 00:40:10,923
And the good guy kind of
realizes that there's a psychopath...
632
00:40:11,005 --> 00:40:14,923
That's in the system,
trying to destroy everything.
633
00:40:15,005 --> 00:40:18,756
And the punchline in the end is
that he realizes that the mentor,
634
00:40:18,839 --> 00:40:22,631
who he thought was a good guy,
is actually the psychopath.
635
00:40:24,297 --> 00:40:26,130
And it just...
636
00:40:26,214 --> 00:40:30,089
I was fucking horrified,
'cause it's like, "you fucker.
637
00:40:30,172 --> 00:40:32,089
"Ten years ago, you showed me
638
00:40:32,172 --> 00:40:34,339
exactly what you were
gonna do to me."
639
00:40:36,631 --> 00:40:38,255
And I know this is what he wanted,
640
00:40:38,339 --> 00:40:40,214
'cause this is fun.
641
00:40:40,297 --> 00:40:43,047
It was the best practical joke ever.
642
00:41:05,339 --> 00:41:06,714
Oh, Jesus. The hair!
643
00:41:14,756 --> 00:41:17,255
Now that your hair's out of the way,
it's much better.
644
00:41:17,339 --> 00:41:18,506
Not bad.
645
00:41:24,089 --> 00:41:25,673
You're not gonna do that, are you?
646
00:41:25,756 --> 00:41:28,381
You didn't do that, did you?
647
00:41:44,756 --> 00:41:46,589
How would you respond to somebody
648
00:41:46,673 --> 00:41:49,005
who believes that the
cause of violence is poverty?
649
00:41:49,089 --> 00:41:50,464
It is poverty.
650
00:41:50,547 --> 00:41:53,631
How do you define poverty?
Poverty of what?
651
00:41:53,714 --> 00:41:55,339
Let me just tie that together.
652
00:41:55,422 --> 00:41:56,673
- Are you rolling?
- I'm rolling.
653
00:41:56,756 --> 00:41:58,381
How was the exposure? Good?
654
00:41:58,464 --> 00:42:00,297
- It was good.
- We're still rolling, guys?
655
00:42:00,381 --> 00:42:02,172
Okay. Let's go back
to that question,
656
00:42:02,255 --> 00:42:04,589
which was basically,
how would you respond to somebody
657
00:42:04,673 --> 00:42:06,589
who says the cause
of violence is poverty?
658
00:42:06,673 --> 00:42:10,005
Well, uh, it is poverty, actually.
659
00:42:10,089 --> 00:42:12,339
Uh, but a poverty of what?
660
00:42:12,422 --> 00:42:15,381
You're born into a rich family.
661
00:42:15,464 --> 00:42:17,881
You're not stealing anything, per se.
662
00:42:17,964 --> 00:42:19,422
But you haven't earned it.
663
00:42:19,506 --> 00:42:22,214
You're born into a rich family.
664
00:42:22,297 --> 00:42:25,547
That means you haven't
stolen anything, per se.
665
00:42:25,631 --> 00:42:27,464
But you haven't earned it, either.
666
00:42:27,547 --> 00:42:29,297
But imagine a $10 bill.
667
00:42:29,381 --> 00:42:31,547
Do you know what that $10 bill means?
668
00:42:31,631 --> 00:42:34,881
Some person in Mexico is
probably willing to work, what?
669
00:42:34,964 --> 00:42:36,464
A day?
670
00:42:36,547 --> 00:42:40,214
So you hold the life
of the whole family
671
00:42:40,297 --> 00:42:42,381
in your hand when you hold...
672
00:42:42,464 --> 00:42:43,547
That $10 bill.
673
00:42:43,631 --> 00:42:46,297
And you go and spend
a $10 bill on what?
674
00:42:46,381 --> 00:42:48,047
Drinks at a bar?
675
00:42:48,130 --> 00:42:49,881
That's what I think of your family.
676
00:42:49,964 --> 00:42:51,547
That's what I think of your efforts.
677
00:42:51,631 --> 00:42:53,547
That's what I think
of a whole day of your work.
678
00:42:53,631 --> 00:42:56,297
Just spend it on a drink at a bar.
679
00:42:56,381 --> 00:42:58,214
I just piss it off.
680
00:42:58,297 --> 00:42:59,881
I piss on your family.
681
00:42:59,964 --> 00:43:02,506
I piss on your whole family.
682
00:43:10,881 --> 00:43:13,381
Toni Zarattini had
to reshoot everything.
683
00:43:13,464 --> 00:43:16,631
All his stuff again,
to give tribute to Raniere.
684
00:43:46,798 --> 00:43:49,881
Done, done to him
for a long period of time?
685
00:43:50,631 --> 00:43:51,964
Okay.
686
00:43:53,130 --> 00:43:55,589
I was a fucking servant.
687
00:43:55,673 --> 00:43:57,381
I mean, I was a...
688
00:43:58,673 --> 00:44:01,381
I was obedient to him.
689
00:45:00,798 --> 00:45:02,339
I know.
690
00:45:02,422 --> 00:45:05,422
I know he gets pleasure in this.
691
00:45:06,923 --> 00:45:10,172
This is one of those things
where if you got stabbed in the soul,
692
00:45:10,255 --> 00:45:13,631
and there's no way... there's
nothing that's gonna make it better.
693
00:45:14,714 --> 00:45:16,255
And he's done that to my friends.
694
00:45:16,339 --> 00:45:17,923
He's done that to my wife.
695
00:45:20,089 --> 00:45:21,839
And he knows he did.
696
00:45:23,005 --> 00:45:25,589
And that was his joy.
697
00:45:37,297 --> 00:45:39,297
This is silver bay,
698
00:45:39,381 --> 00:45:41,172
where v week was.
699
00:45:42,130 --> 00:45:44,214
And I do have some really nice memories
700
00:45:44,297 --> 00:45:46,798
of, like, walking across the grass.
701
00:45:51,881 --> 00:45:56,798
♪ Breaking down
all the crooked lines ♪
702
00:45:57,756 --> 00:46:00,714
♪ unraveling ♪
703
00:46:00,798 --> 00:46:02,923
This place in the fall is beautiful.
704
00:46:03,005 --> 00:46:04,631
I mean, the whole mountain
is just orange,
705
00:46:04,714 --> 00:46:07,506
and there's a lake
and there's green grass.
706
00:46:10,172 --> 00:46:15,005
♪ Memories are falling
to the ground ♪
707
00:46:16,214 --> 00:46:18,839
♪ spiraling ♪
708
00:46:22,172 --> 00:46:25,756
♪ it's who you ♪
709
00:46:25,839 --> 00:46:30,506
♪ who you are ♪
710
00:46:34,547 --> 00:46:38,756
♪ not who you ♪
711
00:46:38,839 --> 00:46:42,756
♪ believe in ♪
712
00:46:46,964 --> 00:46:50,255
♪ it's who you ♪
713
00:46:50,339 --> 00:46:54,714
♪ who you are ♪
714
00:46:58,839 --> 00:47:03,297
♪ Not who you ♪
715
00:47:03,381 --> 00:47:06,923
♪ believe in ♪
716
00:47:34,422 --> 00:47:36,339
Hey, boo, it's Sally.
Do you want to take it?
717
00:47:36,422 --> 00:47:38,839
- I'll go outside and call her.
- Here.
718
00:47:38,923 --> 00:47:40,381
Okay.
719
00:47:40,464 --> 00:47:41,923
- No. What?
- No.
720
00:47:44,047 --> 00:47:45,964
- No!
- Fuck me.
721
00:47:51,047 --> 00:47:52,089
Oh, my god.
722
00:47:54,547 --> 00:47:55,756
Fuck.
723
00:47:57,172 --> 00:47:58,339
Fuck!
724
00:47:58,422 --> 00:47:59,964
- I'll tell you what, Sally.
- Put it in the thread.
725
00:48:00,047 --> 00:48:00,878
Fuck me!
726
00:48:00,902 --> 00:48:02,480
I don't have my phone.
My phone's in the car.
727
00:48:02,505 --> 00:48:04,172
Can we pass this on
to the rest of the team?
728
00:48:04,255 --> 00:48:06,089
'Cause I want to let the rebels know.
729
00:48:10,839 --> 00:48:12,631
Oh, I wanna...
730
00:48:17,172 --> 00:48:19,589
Oh, my god. I'm so happy.
731
00:48:19,673 --> 00:48:22,339
Please let me see your face.
732
00:48:22,422 --> 00:48:26,253
Oh, my god. I'm so fucking excited
I just don't know what to do.
733
00:48:26,278 --> 00:48:26,904
Catherine.
734
00:48:26,928 --> 00:48:27,981
I can't even speak
735
00:48:28,005 --> 00:48:29,172
I'm so excited.
736
00:48:29,255 --> 00:48:31,756
Love you, Catherine!
737
00:48:31,839 --> 00:48:33,422
Guys, it's in the press.
738
00:48:33,506 --> 00:48:35,464
- It's in the press! It's in the press.
- It's in the press.
739
00:48:35,547 --> 00:48:38,798
There you are,
darling. On the front page.
740
00:48:38,881 --> 00:48:40,798
Alleged leader of a secret society
741
00:48:40,881 --> 00:48:43,214
accused of branding women
has been arrested
742
00:48:43,297 --> 00:48:44,214
just hours ago.
743
00:49:08,089 --> 00:49:11,005
Look at this picture of Keith Raniere
744
00:49:11,089 --> 00:49:13,506
in the back of the cop car.
745
00:49:13,589 --> 00:49:16,589
He looks so unhappy.
746
00:49:16,673 --> 00:49:17,964
"The defendant, Keith Raniere,
747
00:49:18,047 --> 00:49:19,923
"is scheduled to appear in
the northern district of Texas
748
00:49:20,005 --> 00:49:22,089
"tomorrow at 2:00 P.M.
for arraignment.
749
00:49:22,172 --> 00:49:25,297
"The government respectfully
submits this letter in anticipation
750
00:49:25,381 --> 00:49:28,714
"of the defendant's expected removal
to the eastern district of New York,
751
00:49:28,798 --> 00:49:30,547
"and in support of the
government's request
752
00:49:30,631 --> 00:49:32,130
for a permanent order
of detention."
753
00:49:32,214 --> 00:49:34,506
I can't believe they're doing this.
754
00:49:34,589 --> 00:49:37,464
"The defendant, who was
living in Mexico prior to his arrest,
755
00:49:37,547 --> 00:49:39,881
"and has access to vast resources,
756
00:49:39,964 --> 00:49:42,673
"poses a significant risk of flight.
757
00:49:42,756 --> 00:49:46,047
If released, he would pose
a danger to the community."
758
00:49:47,923 --> 00:49:49,881
- They got him.
- They fuckin' got him.
759
00:50:06,464 --> 00:50:09,381
FBI crews raid a home in Waterford
760
00:50:09,464 --> 00:50:10,923
with apparent connections
761
00:50:11,005 --> 00:50:13,047
to the alleged cult in our area.
762
00:50:13,130 --> 00:50:15,381
Hey, good evening,
Camille. While FBI agents
763
00:50:15,464 --> 00:50:18,047
continue to raid the home
behind me here in Waterford
764
00:50:18,130 --> 00:50:19,589
on Oregon trail.
765
00:50:19,673 --> 00:50:21,506
They've been here all day long,
since this morning.
766
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:25,547
Now, according to neighbors,
Nancy Raniere left the home yesterday,
767
00:50:25,631 --> 00:50:28,547
after the leader of the company
she helped to start
768
00:50:28,631 --> 00:50:31,339
was arrested and charged
with sex trafficking.
769
00:50:31,422 --> 00:50:33,506
So there's a
lot of layers to this thing,
770
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:35,881
but first of all, they got this guy,
uh, Keith Raniere
771
00:50:35,964 --> 00:50:38,506
down in Mexico and they brought
him back. He's going to be extradited.
772
00:50:38,589 --> 00:50:41,339
Now, Raniere is expected
back in New York in the coming days.
773
00:50:41,422 --> 00:50:45,005
He is still under the custody
of US Marshals.
774
00:50:45,089 --> 00:50:46,839
Keith Raniere is no longer
775
00:50:46,923 --> 00:50:49,339
at that federal
transfer center in Oklahoma.
776
00:50:49,422 --> 00:50:51,881
Right now, Raniere is on a bus
777
00:50:51,964 --> 00:50:55,214
on his way back to New York.
778
00:50:55,297 --> 00:50:57,673
Okay, so we have a
criminal cause for an arraignment.
779
00:50:57,756 --> 00:51:01,339
18m132, United States
versus Keith Raniere.
780
00:51:01,422 --> 00:51:03,018
Good afternoon.
781
00:51:03,042 --> 00:51:04,106
Good afternoon.
Good afternoon, Mr. Raniere.
782
00:51:04,130 --> 00:51:05,381
Good afternoon.
783
00:51:05,464 --> 00:51:07,214
Have you seen a copy of the complaint
784
00:51:07,297 --> 00:51:09,381
that has been filed
against you in this case?
785
00:51:09,464 --> 00:51:11,964
- Yes, your honor.
- Okay.
786
00:51:12,047 --> 00:51:13,839
In light of the nature of the charges
787
00:51:13,923 --> 00:51:16,631
and the, uh, evidence laid out
in the government's letter,
788
00:51:16,714 --> 00:51:20,589
the court is going to issue a
permanent order of detention.
789
00:51:20,673 --> 00:51:22,214
Do you understand that,
Mr. Raniere?
790
00:51:22,297 --> 00:51:24,464
- Yes, your honor.
- Okay.
791
00:51:27,839 --> 00:51:30,339
Good afternoon, everybody.
792
00:51:30,422 --> 00:51:32,339
We just wanna say, um,
793
00:51:32,422 --> 00:51:35,422
Mr. Raniere, uh, denies
these allegations.
794
00:51:35,506 --> 00:51:38,422
We are looking forward
to a swift resolution.
795
00:51:38,506 --> 00:51:40,547
We're not waiving
any speedy trial time.
796
00:51:40,631 --> 00:51:42,839
We don't think the government
can prove these things,
797
00:51:42,923 --> 00:51:45,089
and we look forward
to our day in court.
798
00:51:45,172 --> 00:51:46,756
Some people might say that, uh,
799
00:51:46,839 --> 00:51:50,422
simply by virtue of the fact
that he fled to Mexico,
800
00:51:50,506 --> 00:51:53,172
if that's the right word, that's...
Those are the acts of the guilty.
801
00:51:53,255 --> 00:51:54,839
Keith Raniere did not flee to Mexico.
802
00:51:54,923 --> 00:51:57,589
We will explain what happened
at the appropriate time.
803
00:51:57,673 --> 00:52:00,339
He's maintaining
his innocence. I mean,
804
00:52:00,422 --> 00:52:03,381
to hear him say that,
I mean, what comes to mind?
805
00:52:03,464 --> 00:52:06,381
He's a sociopath. Of course he's
going to maintain his innocence.
806
00:52:06,464 --> 00:52:08,172
It's very hard for me
to be in this courtroom
807
00:52:08,255 --> 00:52:10,923
because my, my daughter
is a victim of this man.
808
00:52:11,005 --> 00:52:12,589
If you listen to what he has to say,
809
00:52:12,673 --> 00:52:15,422
he claims, you know,
no one involved in this is a victim.
810
00:52:15,506 --> 00:52:17,130
But, but India is, in your mind.
811
00:52:17,214 --> 00:52:19,172
India... they're...
Ultimately, they're all victims
812
00:52:19,255 --> 00:52:22,214
of, of Keith Raniere.
Ultimately.
813
00:52:22,297 --> 00:52:24,255
If you could say something
to your daughter right now?
814
00:52:24,339 --> 00:52:25,798
I love you. Come home.
815
00:52:25,881 --> 00:52:29,631
This is a case about how grown adults
816
00:52:29,714 --> 00:52:31,589
are intimate with each other,
817
00:52:31,673 --> 00:52:34,798
and the choices that grown adults make,
818
00:52:34,881 --> 00:52:37,172
in terms of how to live their lives.
819
00:52:37,255 --> 00:52:39,506
There are well-known groups of men
820
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:41,297
that brand themselves.
821
00:52:41,381 --> 00:52:43,005
It's utterly uncontroversial.
822
00:52:43,089 --> 00:52:45,547
But a group of women
decide to brand themselves,
823
00:52:45,631 --> 00:52:47,881
and then all of a sudden,
we assume that they're victims.
824
00:52:47,964 --> 00:52:51,547
Quite frankly, I think this is something
that women very much can do
825
00:52:51,631 --> 00:52:54,214
on their own,
as a matter of their own free choice.
826
00:52:54,297 --> 00:52:57,255
And I, I assure you,
I've spoken to many women.
827
00:52:57,339 --> 00:52:59,047
And they've given me their reasons.
828
00:52:59,130 --> 00:53:00,964
This was their choice.
829
00:53:01,047 --> 00:53:03,506
Raniere not the only member of NXIVM...
830
00:53:03,589 --> 00:53:05,255
Allison Mack's in a world of hurt.
831
00:53:05,339 --> 00:53:06,881
She was arraigned in federal court
832
00:53:06,964 --> 00:53:09,798
on charges of sex
trafficking and forced labor.
833
00:53:09,881 --> 00:53:12,339
What do you say
about the charges against you?
834
00:53:12,422 --> 00:53:15,047
Were you involved in a sex cult?
835
00:53:15,130 --> 00:53:18,172
The alleged financial
backer of the operation,
836
00:53:18,255 --> 00:53:20,964
Clare Raniere, was also indicted today.
837
00:53:21,047 --> 00:53:25,506
I have never seen
bail set as high as it was today.
838
00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:27,172
Clare Raniere could go free.
839
00:53:27,255 --> 00:53:30,673
All she had to do was post
$100 million.
840
00:53:30,756 --> 00:53:32,673
Do you have anything to say?
841
00:53:32,756 --> 00:53:34,339
Arrested today, Nancy Raniere,
842
00:53:34,422 --> 00:53:36,506
the co-founder and president of NXIVM,
843
00:53:36,589 --> 00:53:38,422
as well as her daughter,
Lauren Raniere.
844
00:53:38,506 --> 00:53:40,798
If convicted of these, uh, charges,
845
00:53:40,881 --> 00:53:43,214
they're looking at a maximum
of 20 years.
846
00:53:43,297 --> 00:53:45,798
You co-founded this group, Nancy.
847
00:53:45,881 --> 00:53:49,631
Any comment? Why do
you think you were misguided by Raniere?
848
00:53:55,798 --> 00:53:58,297
Now, when Keith and I got together,
849
00:53:58,381 --> 00:54:02,172
he asked me if I wanted him
to be my mentor.
850
00:54:02,255 --> 00:54:05,923
And I said,
"I would do anything to be your student."
851
00:54:06,005 --> 00:54:08,214
And he said to me, "not so fast.
852
00:54:08,297 --> 00:54:10,422
"If you're going to work with me,
853
00:54:10,506 --> 00:54:14,297
you have to work with me
for the rest of your life."
854
00:54:24,005 --> 00:54:27,130
Loyalty is good in certain contexts,
855
00:54:27,214 --> 00:54:30,130
and very bad in other contexts.
856
00:54:30,214 --> 00:54:32,756
We talk about
getting lost in the movie.
857
00:54:32,839 --> 00:54:37,547
We're kind of lost
in the role of our life.
858
00:54:37,631 --> 00:54:40,923
What you have to do is stop
believing that that's who you are.
859
00:54:41,005 --> 00:54:43,130
Then you can change your role.
860
00:54:58,339 --> 00:55:00,422
This call is from...
861
00:55:00,506 --> 00:55:01,964
Keith Raniere.
862
00:55:02,047 --> 00:55:04,923
An inmate at a federal prison.
863
00:55:42,798 --> 00:55:45,172
♪ Days we were young ♪
864
00:55:45,255 --> 00:55:47,464
♪ we took photographs of ♪
865
00:55:47,547 --> 00:55:50,756
♪ everything we could be ♪
866
00:55:52,255 --> 00:55:54,214
♪ we knew we were ♪
867
00:55:54,297 --> 00:56:00,172
♪ impervious no matter
how we'd bleed ♪
868
00:56:00,255 --> 00:56:03,547
♪ we never fought for breath ♪
869
00:56:03,631 --> 00:56:05,506
♪ priest and prophetess ♪
870
00:56:05,589 --> 00:56:10,255
♪ we were nothing
we would defy ♪
871
00:56:11,422 --> 00:56:15,214
♪ oh, invincible skin ♪
872
00:56:15,297 --> 00:56:18,297
♪ it's how we all begin ♪
873
00:56:19,756 --> 00:56:23,506
- ♪ oh oh oh ♪
- ♪ awake, awake ♪
874
00:56:23,589 --> 00:56:27,297
- ♪ oh oh ♪
- ♪ this is a dream state ♪
875
00:56:29,130 --> 00:56:34,005
♪ oh oh oh, oh oh ♪
876
00:56:38,089 --> 00:56:40,673
♪ oh oh oh... ♪
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