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THE FOLLOWING EPISODE CONTAINS
DESCRIPTIONS OF SEXUAL ABUSE
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- [woman 1] You never thought it was wrong?
- [woman 2] No.
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- [woman 1] You're always obedient?
- [woman 2] Yes.
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It's not that weird.
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[woman 2] Why isn't it weird? Do you
have to do everything he says, then?
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Even having sex?
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[woman 1] Pastor Lee is God.
It's okay.
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If he says it's not a sin,
then it's not a sin.
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[woman 3] "I do this because I love you."
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[woman 4] Because he's God.
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[woman 5] He wanted to see my breasts.
He asked me to undress.
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[woman 4] And he told me to moan.
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[Jeong-hye] He looked...
very closely at that part.
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He just stared at it.
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[Lee Jae-rock] Even if I have some flaws,
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even if I kissed somebody,
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and even if I laid next to them,
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I believe that you will forgive me.
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I have no shame in front of God.
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I truly don't feel ashamed.
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MANMIN CENTRAL CHURCH
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MANMIN CENTRAL CHURCH
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IN THE NAME OF GOD: A HOLY BETRAYAL
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GOD OF MANMIN WHO WENT TO PRISON
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[New Age music]
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[woman speaking Korean]
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[interpreter] Our beloved members
of Manmin,
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welcome to the pastor's castle.
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Welcome!
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[ceremonial music plays
under ominous soundtrack]
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[birdsong]
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Our Father is preparing
this wonderful place
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for all the faithful believers of Manmin.
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There are five levels to Heaven.
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In the first one,
you stay in a place called Paradise.
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PARADISE
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The Kingdom of Heaven is the second.
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FIRST KINGDOM OF HEAVEN
SECOND KINGDOM OF HEAVEN
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The Second Kingdom is above Paradise.
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Then the Third Kingdom.
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THIRD KINGDOM OF HEAVEN
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And at the very top is New Jerusalem.
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NEW JERUSALEM
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In Paradise,
you'll live in the fields forever.
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MEASURE OF FAITH
FIRST LEVEL - PARADISE
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The First Kingdom has buildings.
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In the Second, you get to live in a house.
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In the Third, you're given a castle.
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And a palace waits for you
in New Jerusalem. Or so they say.
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How thankful are we,
knowing we can enter the New Jerusalem.
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Thank you so much, dear Father!
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Thank you very much!
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- [applause]
- [women] Thank you very much!
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Were there any houses
you wanted to have for yourselves?
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[man] Amen!
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Yeah, it's a very big place.
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The main castle is huge,
it's... millions of square footage.
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There's an ocean, too, and a beautiful
lake that you will all love.
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My goal in life was to end up there.
At the best place.
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FORMER MEMBER OF MANMIN CENTRAL CHURCH
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The closest to the Throne of God.
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KIM MYEONG-JUN
FORMER MEMBER
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Manmin took advantage of that.
It's called the Measure of Faith.
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TEAM HARMONY
KIM MYEONG-JUN, BAPTIST
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They turned your faith into a number.
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They wrote it on a piece of paper
and gave it to you.
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"Your faith is at 30%."
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"Your faith is at 70%."
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So that made people go crazy over it.
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They also got very anxious.
People with a high Measure...
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FOURTH LEVEL 02.90
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...were basically like celebrities,
and moved up the ranks.
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Those who don't get a high Measure
fall behind until... they're eliminated.
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[man sighs]
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[Myeong-jun] I was desperate
to get higher Measures of Faith.
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So I started giving even more,
and also investing much more.
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[man] Oh, yeah!
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FOURTH LEVEL
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I... I think I got to three percent
on the fourth level.
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THIRD LEVEL
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I was around 40%. The third level.
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I was on the third level
with 60-point-something percent.
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Getting to 60% on the third level
means you stand on the "Rock of Faith."
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LEE KWANG-OH
FORMER MEMBER
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I got that pretty early,
and I was so happy to get it quickly.
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I think I was number 800
out of 15,000 people.
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That was my rank in Heaven.
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It was actually very impressive.
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MANMIN CENTRAL CHURCH
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[Jae-rock] If you have never been
to the Rock of Faith,
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if you have never received
an acknowledgement,
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even though I recognize your face,
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there's a reason
why you haven't made it yet.
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You need to find out what that is.
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Now that I think back, only those people
who paid a lot would get high percentages.
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That's the conclusion that I've come to.
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THOU SHALT NOT STEAL
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MANMIN CENTRAL CHURCH
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[Jae-rock] In a way,
this sermon is a continuation
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of the previous sermon
that I gave about Hell.
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If you don't pay your offerings,
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I promise you that
the Lord will place a curse upon you.
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[man] Amen.
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I see it often.
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If you get into a car crash
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and break and shatter your bones,
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or suffers a hemorrhage,
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you see, it's always
because of the same reason.
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It's obvious. It's because you didn't pay.
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You have to pay your offerings.
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[chanting]
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[unsettling music playing over chanting]
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Thank-you offering,
sanctuary-building offering,
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charity offering, special offering.
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During a Bible study,
during Feast of Harvest,
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during Easter.
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And there was also one during Christmas.
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And a tithe,
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based on your income before taxes.
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[Jae-rock] Some people say
that they can't pay the tithe
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because they're unemployed
and don't have income.
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But every single person can pay the tithe.
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Even young children have income
from New Year's, allowances,
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other celebrations,
school celebrations and birthdays.
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The parents can pay the tithe in
their child's name by using their income.
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[crackling and squelching]
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There are two ways to give money
to the Manmin Church.
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Offerings and gifts.
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Offerings are the money
you give in offering envelopes,
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while a gift would be
money you give unofficially.
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[Jang Ho-ki] Offerings
are a separate thing.
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Members pay offerings and gifts,
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even if that means
they have no money to live on.
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And yet, they always donate,
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even if they go into debt.
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He puts members
in competition with each other.
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to see who can pay more.
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"You and you.
You both got the first place."
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"And you, that elder gets third place."
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I think I must have paid
somewhere close to one billion won
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over the course of 24 years.
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I think my family paid
over a billion won too.
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At the very least, it's 800 million.
But I think I paid over a billion won.
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There were many people
taken advantage of financially.
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JANG HO-KI, PRODUCER,
PD NOTE
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These people dedicated their lives
to giving offerings to the church.
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He's such an atrocious man,
who brainwashed them all...
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JANG UN-CHUL, REPORTER AT AMENNEWS.COM
REPORTED ON MANMIN CHURCH
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...and then, sadly,
used that for his own gain.
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[grasshoppers chirping]
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[man] When you analyze it,
a lot of members of the church
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had a very poor quality of life.
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FORMER MEMBER OF MANMIN CHURCH
CHURCH EMPLOYEE
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In terms of earnings,
it's probably fair to say
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most of the church's members
were at the very bottom of the ladder.
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Despite that,
they gave money to the church.
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MANMIN CENTRAL CHURCH
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How did that happen?
They had two jobs.
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[woman] Hey, take this to that table.
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[man] They worked hard
to earn the money for the offerings.
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Eight hundred, ten thousand...
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They didn't have much money,
and a lot of them went into debt.
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You leave church after a service.
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BYUN SEONG-KWANG,
ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF PD NOTE EPISODE
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But at Manmin Church,
the members line up and wait afterwards.
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[cheering]
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- [woman 1] Pastor Lee!
- [woman 2] Pastor Lee!
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[man] Pastor Lee!
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[woman 3] Our entire family supports you!
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Thank you.
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[Kwang-oh] If you grabbed his hand
and asked for a prayer, his car stopped.
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A member might get a minute of prayer,
20 or 30 seconds.
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Amen!
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There's somebody in the car
who collects the money envelopes.
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He's the director of planning.
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As far as I know, a lot of people
paid thousands of dollars n offerings
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to receive his blessings.
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May Jesus lay his hand upon you in prayer.
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MISSIONARY MEETING FOR BUSINESSPEOPLE
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Show us the inspiration, influence,
and greatness of the Holy Spirit.
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[all] Amen.
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We pray that
you'll surround us with light.
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[all] Amen.
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There is a missionary gathering
for businesspeople,
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those who give the most money.
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We were invited to go.
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While there, they collect around three
to five million won per person.
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The tithe from August...
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There were six or seven people who paid
nearly ten million won,
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but now, we've got more than 12.
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[woman] Amen.
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- [man] I'll bring you joy, Father.
- [Jae-rock] All right.
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[man] Let's go to the car
to receive prayers.
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- [Jae-rock] Sure.
- [man] Over here.
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- [Jae-rock] Okay.
- [man] Come on.
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- Let's hug.
- [Jae-rock] Sure, sure. Sure.
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I got a new car, Pastor.
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- Where is it from?
- Germany.
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Father, bless this car.
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- Please bless this key as well.
- Amen.
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Bless your light upon it.
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- In the name of Jesus!
- [group] Amen.
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Please, dear God, bless this car.
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- [man] Amen.
- [Jae-rock] Amen.
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[woman] You had to pay
to take a picture with Pastor Lee.
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I don't remember the exact price.
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It started out not being much.
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But then, there were so many who wanted
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to have their picture taken
with Pastor Lee,
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they ended up paying
at least a million won per picture.
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I'm sure I gave around ten million won
for a picture.
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[Kwang-oh] These are the pictures
I paid for.
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I had over 40 of those framed.
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The total cost is easily
over 400 million won.
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MANMIN CHURCH BOOKSTORE
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Manmin Church had a store
called Manmin Bookstore.
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BENEDICTION, EXTRA-LARGE FRAME
80,000 WON
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They sold pictures of Jae-rock...
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BENEDICTION, LARGE FRAME
50,000 WON
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...key rings, notebooks,
all kinds of paraphernalia like that.
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And people would buy these things too.
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In a way, it's a really shrewd business.
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The funniest one for me
was Muan Sweet Water.
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These people put Muan Sweet Water
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in these small spray bottles
to make it easier to use.
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MUAN SWEET WATER
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It was crazy.
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You could spray it on
to get double eyelids.
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It was also supposed
to fix broken washing machines.
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[man] Muan Sweet Water worked its miracle
on a broken washing machine.
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It was stuck. I was desperate.
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I spent ages trying to open it,
then it opened with a click
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right after I sprayed
the Muan Sweet Water.
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The washing machine works well now.
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Everything is fine now.
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Everything is fixed.
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[woman] The door wouldn't open
for over an hour,
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but it unbolted with a click
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right after it was sprayed
with Muan Sweet Water.
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[barking]
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[Myeong-jun] To Manmin Church,
Muan Sweet Water
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is like a cure-all for the members.
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They say there's this light,
and also this power,
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and something magical in this common water
just because Jae-rock prayed over it.
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PLEASE GIVE THIS WATER SPIRITUAL POWER...
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So, they claim that the users can
experience some kind of miracle
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if you drink it or put it on yourself.
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They had a thing called "Mailbox"
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where you could call
an automatic response system
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and you could listen
to pre-recorded messages from Pastor Lee.
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[woman] This is Manmin Central Church.
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Press 10 to start your day
with Pastor Lee's prayers.
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Press 20 to hear a prayer for recovery.
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30 for a three-minute sermon.
Press 40 for a prayer for the sick.
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Before my grandfather died,
he was hospitalized.
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I wanted him to heal.
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So, I remember I played Jae-rock's
voicemail prayers for the sick for him.
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I remember it clearly.
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[Jae-rock] Let me begin
the prayer for the sick.
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Place your hand
on the place where it hurts.
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If you're not ill,
then simply put your hand over your heart...
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[man] He listened to it for a while,
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then he looked at me
to take the earphones out.
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Nevertheless, I made him listen
to the whole thing,
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because I wanted him to listen.
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I should have just talked to him
or gone on a trip with him. Yeah.
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[sighs]
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It's all about money in the end.
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The church is denying it, but they had
an enormous amount of money saved up.
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GOAL: 1.5 BILLION
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SPECIAL TREATMENT PLAN
FOR HIGHER-PAYING MEMBERS
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[man] With three million won, you could
meet him with others who paid the same.
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If you paid more, you'd meet him
with people who paid that amount too.
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It was like that.
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If you paid the most,
you'd get a private meeting.
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Those people paid over 100 million won.
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[man] How did the church treat people
who paid that much money?
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Well, those people were basically treated
as VIPs by the church associates.
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There were people
dressed in beautiful hanbok.
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They had special seats.
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That made them the envy
of all Manmin Church members.
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Those seats were not just for anybody.
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They must have given a lot of offerings,
like, really a lot of money,
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to dear Pastor Lee.
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Honestly, back then, it felt pretty nice.
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Because of that system...
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FORMER MEMBER OF MANMIN CENTRAL CHURCH
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...my dad paid millions of won
every year to the devotion worship
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to have my sister sit at the very front.
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If you gave more money,
you got the right to sit at the front.
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[man] Why were those seats so important?
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Because you were closer to Pastor Lee.
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THOU SHALT NOT KILL
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Illnesses happen as a result of a sin,
as a punishment.
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You'll never be ill if you don't sin.
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Have you ever seen someone fall ill when
they've never sinned and are obedient?
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- [crowd] Amen.
- [woman] Amen.
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If you get a deadly illness,
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it means that you committed a sin
so serious that death is the punishment.
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He said to me,
"You won't get ill if you don't sin."
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"If you're ill, you must have sinned."
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He pushed us to believe that.
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People thought that going
to the hospital reflected a lack of faith.
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He was proud of that.
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But in reality, there were illnesses
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that could have been stopped
if treated in time.
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But people just prayed,
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and many of them ended up dying.
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Tuberculosis lives in the Manmin Church.
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It's actually a part of its history.
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The members
of the Performing Arts Committee
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are all in their 20s or 30s.
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They all sing and dance together,
and as I said, they're all young.
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They're all... always in the spotlight.
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- [in Korean] ♪ Fruits of joy ♪
- ♪ Fruits of joy ♪
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- ♪ I am changed ♪
- ♪ I am changed ♪
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♪ His love saved me ♪
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Sadly, many wonderful people ended up
tragically passing away.
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My wife...
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FORMER MEMBER
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She passed away in 2006.
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[TV theme music]
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Hi, dear believers.
How are you all doing today?
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After the 100th episode special,
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God showed his great power
through our beloved Pastor Lee...
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She was a really pretty girl.
She was in the Hallelujah Praising Team.
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FORMER MEMBER OF MANMIN CHURCH
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She was a very petite and slim girl,
with a feminine and beautiful voice.
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[husband] She was brushing her teeth,
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then she ran up to me
with toothpaste in her mouth.
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She was bleeding.
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I told her we should run to the hospital...
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[sighs]
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She had tuberculosis.
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Faith was supposed to be our treatment.
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She was on the praise team.
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When we found out about it,
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she said her treatment
was her faith.
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She said, "I was supposed
to only love Jae-rock."
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"And now I'm sick because I decided
to get married. I'm going to die from it."
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She was considered a sinner.
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If you get a deadly illness,
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it means that you committed a sin
so serious that death is the punishment.
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[husband sobbing]
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[husband] Before she passed away, she...
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was so very skinny.
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And her lungs
had basically stopped working.
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And she...
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died a painful death.
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[birds calling]
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Aside from tuberculosis, there were
a lot of people who suffered from cancer.
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When I found out the situation,
I thought,
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"Is it really faith that prevents
these people from going to the hospital?"
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"Unbelievable."
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THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY
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You know, I always talk about this
in the sermons.
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People are affected by the evil spirits
because of adultery.
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Adulterers
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are possessed by evil spirits,
but they have no idea.
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They keep committing adultery
because they have that spirit in them.
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They can't stop.
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They don't realize that they are under
the influence of evil spirits.
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Lee Jae-rock was always
very emphatic about adultery
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and relationships between men and women.
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And he would always say,
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"Because I don't have
any adulterous spirits in me,
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I don't feel anything
when I see a naked woman."
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[man] At one point, they began
separating the men from the women.
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"Don't sit next to each other.
Don't be in the same space."
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Men and women
couldn't talk to each other.
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So, how did they communicate?
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Well, you would talk to them
through someone else.
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In my case, it was my sister.
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I would tell the message to her,
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and when the other person responded,
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my sister would pass that message
on to me, and the chain continued.
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There was an incident with
the letters of repentance in 2010.
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"The members have too many sins."
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"They lead sinful lives."
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I did not think that such sinners
would be part of our church.
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These are people who gave in
to their sexual desires.
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And some of them also acted
in a very indecent
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and totally improper manner.
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They said, "If you write a letter
to Jae-rock about your sins,
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they will be forgiven."
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00:21:03,595 --> 00:21:05,681
I have cried so desperately...
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I cried so that not a single soul
would go to Hell, I...
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[sobbing]
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I didn't know it'd be this bad.
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I didn't know that this pain
would make my life so... so unbearable.
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Please show compassion for us,
and forgive us.
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00:21:38,005 --> 00:21:39,673
Your son begs you.
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I'm begging you.
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[woman] We had to confess
all our secrets.
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LETTER BOX OF REPENTANCE
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I had to remember holding hands
with somebody when I was seven
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and what I did
with a man when I was 20.
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00:22:02,154 --> 00:22:03,697
Did I do anything else?
403
00:22:04,323 --> 00:22:07,326
I had to remember everything
and confess it.
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00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:09,286
It was really hard.
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00:22:10,412 --> 00:22:12,812
[Myeong-jun] Once everyone wrote
their letters of repentance,
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it became mandatory
for all church members.
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If you didn't do it,
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00:22:16,668 --> 00:22:19,838
there was no way you could be sure
if you would be saved or not.
409
00:22:19,921 --> 00:22:22,174
It was something that was very upsetting.
410
00:22:23,675 --> 00:22:26,178
You keep committing those deadly sins.
411
00:22:26,678 --> 00:22:28,555
Don't you feel bad for your pastor?
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Is it really that hard to believe?
413
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If you commit a sin,
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00:22:34,227 --> 00:22:36,438
you'll die just like it says in the Bible,
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00:22:36,521 --> 00:22:39,107
and there'll be no salvation,
I promise you.
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00:22:40,108 --> 00:22:41,735
This topic is kind of...
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00:22:42,319 --> 00:22:44,363
I feel bad talking about it.
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00:22:44,946 --> 00:22:46,740
This might really hurt someone.
419
00:22:46,823 --> 00:22:49,368
Their family
is still having a really hard time.
420
00:22:51,244 --> 00:22:52,788
He was a little bit...
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00:22:52,871 --> 00:22:55,207
LEE CHAN-HEE
FORMER MEMBER OF MANMIN CENTRAL CHURCH
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...free-spirited.
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He dated a lot of people.
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00:23:00,420 --> 00:23:03,757
He was a huge extrovert,
and a very friendly kind of person.
425
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:05,842
[singing in Korean]
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PLEASE NOTE THIS FOOTAGE IS NOT RELATED
TO THE ACTUAL VICTIM
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[man] He ran into several problems
with various women.
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00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:21,650
Jae-rock found out about it.
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00:23:22,526 --> 00:23:25,028
That ended up being, well...
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00:23:25,946 --> 00:23:27,948
a great disadvantage for him, honestly.
431
00:23:28,782 --> 00:23:31,743
He told him once, "You can't be saved."
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00:23:32,619 --> 00:23:34,454
So he... cut them off.
433
00:23:36,957 --> 00:23:38,917
He literally cut off his genitals.
434
00:23:39,793 --> 00:23:42,212
You could see a physical difference.
435
00:23:42,295 --> 00:23:44,172
He became feminine.
436
00:23:44,256 --> 00:23:46,466
He was a bodyguard
and he loved to exercise.
437
00:23:47,717 --> 00:23:48,885
He's skinny now.
438
00:23:49,594 --> 00:23:51,847
He has no muscles, and no facial hair.
439
00:23:54,099 --> 00:23:56,351
Such things shouldn't have happened
to anyone.
440
00:23:56,935 --> 00:23:58,979
They were just extremely illogical.
441
00:23:59,896 --> 00:24:02,357
And they didn't just happen
to one or two people.
442
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,696
[younger man] He had such blind faith,
he thought it was right.
443
00:24:07,779 --> 00:24:10,115
"Where can I have it done?
I have to do it!"
444
00:24:11,324 --> 00:24:12,868
I considered it.
445
00:24:16,163 --> 00:24:17,998
And when I looked into it,
he even told me
446
00:24:18,999 --> 00:24:21,084
where it was done and the cost.
447
00:24:21,918 --> 00:24:24,588
He said it took five days
to recover from the surgery.
448
00:24:25,088 --> 00:24:26,298
But it was illegal.
449
00:24:26,798 --> 00:24:28,800
[traditional music]
450
00:24:31,761 --> 00:24:34,097
[Chan-hee] Jae-rock was very sensitive
451
00:24:35,140 --> 00:24:38,602
about things like dating somebody
from the Performing Arts Committee.
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00:24:42,189 --> 00:24:45,150
[woman] Like I said, there were
pretty girls from the church.
453
00:24:45,233 --> 00:24:48,653
I think he thought
that those girls belonged to him.
454
00:24:48,737 --> 00:24:51,281
But if they dated
or slept with another man,
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he considered them tainted and filthy.
456
00:24:54,576 --> 00:24:56,328
He had to have them for himself.
457
00:24:56,411 --> 00:24:59,122
And so no other man could be with them.
458
00:24:59,206 --> 00:25:00,916
"They're all objects, and they're mine."
459
00:25:11,384 --> 00:25:13,386
Pastor Lee Jae-rock of Manmin Church
460
00:25:13,470 --> 00:25:15,889
was accused of sexually assaulting
nine female followers...
461
00:25:15,972 --> 00:25:17,408
[man] Police believe the assaults...
462
00:25:17,432 --> 00:25:19,184
SEXUAL ASSAULTS AGAINST FOLLOWERS
463
00:25:19,267 --> 00:25:20,912
...happened frequently, perhaps over years.
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00:25:20,936 --> 00:25:22,136
LEE ACCUSED OF SEXUAL ASSAULTS
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00:25:23,146 --> 00:25:24,523
APRIL 26, 2018
FIRST POLICE SUMMONS
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[woman] You denied all the charges.
So there was no sexual intercourse?
467
00:25:27,692 --> 00:25:30,070
[man] This is dangerous.
Please, he's walking here...
468
00:25:30,153 --> 00:25:32,033
- [woman] You deny any sex?
- [man] He's hurt...
469
00:25:32,072 --> 00:25:34,032
Go. Go. Could you just go?
470
00:25:34,115 --> 00:25:37,244
[woman] Are you denying any intercourse?
Or just the sexual assault?
471
00:25:37,327 --> 00:25:39,120
[Jae-rock] I deny everything.
472
00:25:39,204 --> 00:25:41,289
[woman] Why did you call
female members at night?
473
00:25:41,373 --> 00:25:42,374
[man] Just go.
474
00:25:42,457 --> 00:25:45,019
They say they hated it when you asked them
for sexual intercourse.
475
00:25:45,043 --> 00:25:46,687
- [man] Sir...
- [Jae-rock] I never did that.
476
00:25:46,711 --> 00:25:48,351
[woman] You never did anything like that?
477
00:25:48,380 --> 00:25:50,220
- [man] Excuse us, Choi.
- [woman] Don't you...
478
00:25:50,257 --> 00:25:52,217
Don't you want to apologize
to your victims?
479
00:25:52,300 --> 00:25:54,886
[man] Okay. Watch your leg, sir.
480
00:25:58,848 --> 00:26:00,016
Be careful, sir.
481
00:26:02,561 --> 00:26:05,188
I mean... it was unbelievable.
482
00:26:05,272 --> 00:26:06,523
Completely unbelievable.
483
00:26:06,606 --> 00:26:09,568
I thought,
"How can something this absurd happen?"
484
00:26:09,651 --> 00:26:13,989
Honestly... who could have imagined
he was a sex offender?
485
00:26:14,573 --> 00:26:16,116
I thought they were rumors.
486
00:26:17,033 --> 00:26:18,952
Manmin Church and its members
487
00:26:19,035 --> 00:26:22,289
do not acknowledge the claims
of Pastor Lee's sexual assaults.
488
00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:26,418
We believe that such claims
will be revealed to be false.
489
00:26:27,168 --> 00:26:30,880
First, stop all false claims!
490
00:26:30,964 --> 00:26:32,692
- [woman] Stop them! Stop them!
- [all shout]
491
00:26:32,716 --> 00:26:34,276
BE STRONG, PASTOR!
STOP THE FALSE CLAIMS
492
00:26:34,301 --> 00:26:38,471
The church will prove
Pastor Lee's innocence.
493
00:26:38,555 --> 00:26:40,115
[woman] We'll prove it! We'll prove it!
494
00:26:40,140 --> 00:26:41,474
WE LOVE YOU, PASTOR LEE!
495
00:26:41,558 --> 00:26:43,935
When we started gathering material
for the piece...
496
00:26:44,019 --> 00:26:45,979
LEE MOON-HYEON, REPORTER
SOCIETY DEPARTMENT OF MBC
497
00:26:46,062 --> 00:26:49,232
...we thought he was the leader of a cult
or something like that.
498
00:26:49,316 --> 00:26:51,359
But what we never imagined
was that
499
00:26:51,985 --> 00:26:54,696
we were actually dealing
with a dangerous criminal.
500
00:26:55,947 --> 00:26:58,366
Another sexual assault victim
filed a lawsuit
501
00:26:58,450 --> 00:27:01,161
against Pastor Lee Jae-rock
of Manmin Central Church,
502
00:27:01,244 --> 00:27:04,623
who's being investigated
for sexually assaulting his followers.
503
00:27:04,706 --> 00:27:05,874
Here's the story.
504
00:27:06,875 --> 00:27:10,962
[Moon-hyeon] She says she was sexually
assaulted by Pastor Lee of Manmin Church...
505
00:27:12,255 --> 00:27:16,301
The victim was like a leader
among younger members.
506
00:27:16,384 --> 00:27:19,179
She brought in some evidence...
507
00:27:19,262 --> 00:27:20,764
MANMIN CENTRAL CHURCH
508
00:27:20,847 --> 00:27:23,475
along with some pictures
she took with Jae-rock.
509
00:27:24,392 --> 00:27:27,062
All these sources helped a lot
during the investigation.
510
00:27:31,107 --> 00:27:34,653
There, I learned things
like virtue, honesty, and love.
511
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,490
I loved learning that.
It was something good.
512
00:27:40,700 --> 00:27:43,370
[Moon-hyeon] She was very specific
about the last time
513
00:27:43,453 --> 00:27:46,706
she had been sexually assaulted by him,
and where it took place.
514
00:27:47,374 --> 00:27:51,586
It was information that wouldn't be shared
with just anyone in the church,
515
00:27:51,670 --> 00:27:54,464
so that's how I knew
I could trust her story.
516
00:27:58,218 --> 00:28:04,224
She said she first received
a personal call from Jae-rock in 2011.
517
00:28:05,725 --> 00:28:07,477
[ringing]
518
00:28:11,856 --> 00:28:12,982
[Jae-rock] How are you?
519
00:28:15,944 --> 00:28:19,114
[Moon-hyeon] She said she was ecstatic.
She was born religious.
520
00:28:20,907 --> 00:28:24,285
Then, all of a sudden,
the man she was convinced was God,
521
00:28:24,369 --> 00:28:27,330
this noble and holy man, was calling her.
522
00:28:27,414 --> 00:28:29,499
TESTIMONY OF A FEMALE VICTIM
OF SEXUAL ASSAULT
523
00:28:29,582 --> 00:28:33,586
[woman] I thought, "Maybe he wants to
discuss my Measure of Faith in private."
524
00:28:33,670 --> 00:28:36,965
"Or maybe he'll assign me
a duty and a title."
525
00:28:38,007 --> 00:28:40,009
[romantic music]
526
00:28:47,267 --> 00:28:50,061
He said,
"Hey, can you come to the apartment?"
527
00:28:50,854 --> 00:28:54,649
"No one knows about this place,
so please don't tell anybody."
528
00:28:59,529 --> 00:29:02,615
So I left my house and took a cab there.
529
00:29:03,700 --> 00:29:07,662
He was pretty careful.
He said, "Don't use a card. Use cash."
530
00:29:18,715 --> 00:29:22,218
They wanted to prove their conviction,
and dipped into their savings,
531
00:29:22,302 --> 00:29:25,388
withdrew the money in cash,
and put it in an envelope.
532
00:29:25,930 --> 00:29:29,809
It was simple. Then they changed
into their clean, white clothes.
533
00:29:32,312 --> 00:29:35,064
[witness 1] I felt so nervous
when I pressed the doorbell.
534
00:29:35,148 --> 00:29:36,649
[bell rings]
535
00:29:36,733 --> 00:29:38,318
I was praying on my way there.
536
00:29:39,527 --> 00:29:43,531
Then even the way he poked his head out
was so shocking to me.
537
00:29:46,618 --> 00:29:50,121
As I went in, I noticed there was
a large mattress right in the living room.
538
00:29:51,372 --> 00:29:53,374
[romantic music continues]
539
00:30:25,448 --> 00:30:28,034
All of the victims' stories
have great similarities.
540
00:30:28,618 --> 00:30:30,453
They were all invited to his house.
541
00:30:32,622 --> 00:30:33,622
[bell rings]
542
00:30:37,710 --> 00:30:39,629
And he told them, "I am God."
543
00:30:39,712 --> 00:30:41,965
"So, there's nothing wrong
with what happens here."
544
00:30:42,048 --> 00:30:46,845
He said, "This is the Garden of Eden.
Therefore, you must be naked."
545
00:30:46,928 --> 00:30:49,347
Those are the kind of things
he told the victims.
546
00:30:49,931 --> 00:30:51,724
Then, the saddest thing,
547
00:30:52,225 --> 00:30:55,645
the victims didn't really know
what was happening to them.
548
00:30:56,563 --> 00:30:58,083
TESTIMONY OF A VICTIM
OF SEXUAL ASSAULT
549
00:30:58,147 --> 00:30:59,667
[witness 2] I couldn't think straight.
550
00:31:00,900 --> 00:31:01,900
"What's going on?"
551
00:31:02,735 --> 00:31:05,154
"Is it okay for him to do this to me?"
552
00:31:05,238 --> 00:31:07,740
"What is this? What's going on?"
553
00:31:11,494 --> 00:31:15,540
"I see, this must be his Grace protecting
me from the other men out there."
554
00:31:18,501 --> 00:31:21,254
I prayed for about a month,
and I guess at that point,
555
00:31:21,337 --> 00:31:24,799
I just accepted the thought
that it must have been God's grace.
556
00:31:42,275 --> 00:31:44,277
[thunder crashing]
557
00:31:47,780 --> 00:31:50,074
[Seong-kwang] He wasn't God.
He was the Devil.
558
00:31:52,076 --> 00:31:54,495
He used to say,
"You are in the presence of God."
559
00:31:55,246 --> 00:31:59,417
And also, "Just by touching my body,
you'll be healed."
560
00:31:59,500 --> 00:32:00,710
"You'll go to Heaven."
561
00:32:00,793 --> 00:32:02,712
He was the Devil in sheep's clothing.
562
00:32:09,385 --> 00:32:10,386
TESTIMONY OF A VICTIM
563
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:12,055
[witness 4] He unclasped my bra.
564
00:32:12,138 --> 00:32:15,350
I was surprised
because he was so good at it.
565
00:32:16,100 --> 00:32:18,019
[Jeong-hye] "Who owns your pussy,
Jeong-hye?"
566
00:32:18,561 --> 00:32:21,814
He looked... very closely at that part.
567
00:32:23,316 --> 00:32:24,692
He just stared at it.
568
00:32:28,154 --> 00:32:31,366
He brought my face
closer to his genital area.
569
00:32:31,991 --> 00:32:34,494
Then he said, "That's not right."
570
00:32:34,994 --> 00:32:36,412
"Your teeth are hurting me."
571
00:32:39,457 --> 00:32:43,670
While we were having sex,
he kept asking me if it felt good.
572
00:32:43,753 --> 00:32:45,463
And he told me to moan.
573
00:32:45,546 --> 00:32:47,090
"Good? Good?"
574
00:32:48,758 --> 00:32:50,438
[witness 5] All of us had to pay attention
575
00:32:50,510 --> 00:32:53,763
and keep watching
while he had sex with my friends.
576
00:33:02,563 --> 00:33:06,317
[witness 4] He said we were too clumsy
and made us watch porn and practice.
577
00:33:06,401 --> 00:33:11,197
So when his assistant played porn for us,
I would practice my moaning.
578
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,410
PLEASE NOTE THIS FOOTAGE IS NOT RELATED
TO THE ACTUAL VICTIMS
579
00:33:17,787 --> 00:33:19,914
[witness 6] Those girls
were really pretty.
580
00:33:19,998 --> 00:33:23,459
It was clear that he preferred girls
who were born religious like me,
581
00:33:23,543 --> 00:33:25,586
because they were more naive,
582
00:33:25,670 --> 00:33:27,630
and they'd never been touched by a man.
583
00:33:30,049 --> 00:33:31,718
After he sexually assaulted us,
584
00:33:32,802 --> 00:33:35,179
he gave each one of us
around three million won.
585
00:33:36,639 --> 00:33:40,685
People suddenly started getting
nice cars and houses
586
00:33:40,768 --> 00:33:44,897
That was fairly common. "Where did they
get the money to buy those things?"
587
00:33:46,482 --> 00:33:49,902
[witness 4] He gave me an envelope
with a million won. It was all in cash.
588
00:33:49,986 --> 00:33:51,821
TESTIMONY OF A FEMALE VICTIM
OF SEXUAL ASSAULT
589
00:33:53,031 --> 00:33:55,742
[Jeong-hye] I used to get
two to three million won.
590
00:33:57,368 --> 00:34:01,956
[witness 3] He wrote "4,500" in green ink
on a white envelope he gave me.
591
00:34:04,042 --> 00:34:06,210
He gave me six million won.
592
00:34:06,294 --> 00:34:10,506
It all came from the offerings.
That's where he got the money from.
593
00:34:10,590 --> 00:34:12,633
I think he gave me two million won.
594
00:34:13,134 --> 00:34:14,677
Five million at most.
595
00:34:15,219 --> 00:34:16,721
I also paid offerings.
596
00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:21,476
There were many times
when I would just return all that money.
597
00:34:22,685 --> 00:34:24,854
I didn't know what to do with the money.
598
00:34:24,937 --> 00:34:28,191
I didn't want to spend any of it.
For me, it didn't make sense to use it.
599
00:34:28,274 --> 00:34:29,942
So I gave it back to the church.
600
00:34:30,026 --> 00:34:34,322
After that, their Measure of Faith
would suddenly increase considerably.
601
00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:41,204
A lot of the Performing Arts Committee
had really high rankings in the church.
602
00:34:41,788 --> 00:34:43,831
I think there were 20 to 30 people.
603
00:34:43,915 --> 00:34:45,500
So everything was connected.
604
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,794
You had to elevate your spirit,
605
00:34:47,877 --> 00:34:50,755
but for you to achieve that,
you had to sleep with him.
606
00:34:52,298 --> 00:34:55,676
Not only that, but he continued
to assault his previous victims.
607
00:34:56,344 --> 00:35:00,098
We will not give in to
the unfaithful demands, dear Pastor Lee.
608
00:35:00,181 --> 00:35:01,766
[all] Amen!
609
00:35:01,849 --> 00:35:03,726
[woman] We're here for you!
610
00:35:03,810 --> 00:35:05,603
[group] You can do it!
611
00:35:06,437 --> 00:35:10,149
We love you with all our hearts!
612
00:35:13,111 --> 00:35:16,989
The image of the pastor
that we grew up with never really changed.
613
00:35:17,073 --> 00:35:21,494
Through all these years,
he maintained a kind and loving image.
614
00:35:21,577 --> 00:35:23,663
We've only seen one side of him,
615
00:35:23,746 --> 00:35:26,499
standing by the members of the church
through their ups and downs.
616
00:35:26,582 --> 00:35:28,793
We just thought those women
were promiscuous.
617
00:35:28,876 --> 00:35:31,379
That they liked to fool around with men.
618
00:35:31,462 --> 00:35:34,298
FOR I AM A GOOD SHEPHERD,
I WILL SACRIFICE MYSELF FOR MY SHEEP
619
00:35:34,382 --> 00:35:37,051
[man] "They were immoral. Sinners."
620
00:35:37,927 --> 00:35:39,220
People spread rumors.
621
00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:41,848
They'd say things at private gatherings.
622
00:35:41,931 --> 00:35:43,391
They'd say they were dirty.
623
00:35:47,812 --> 00:35:51,732
Some of the adults did know
what was happening to us.
624
00:35:52,233 --> 00:35:55,153
But they still wouldn't leave the church.
625
00:35:56,070 --> 00:35:58,948
That was because he said he was holy.
626
00:35:59,448 --> 00:36:04,954
They said, "A simple human can't judge
this man's holy actions."
627
00:36:05,997 --> 00:36:08,958
If one single person had spoken out,
628
00:36:09,458 --> 00:36:12,503
none of this
would have lasted for decades.
629
00:36:13,629 --> 00:36:16,757
I'm sure it wouldn't have lasted
so many years.
630
00:36:20,136 --> 00:36:21,137
SECOND POLICE SUMMONS
631
00:36:21,220 --> 00:36:23,431
- [Moon-hyeon] Do you admit it?
- Where are we going?
632
00:36:23,514 --> 00:36:25,951
- [Moon-hyeon] Why did you do it?
- [Choi] Are you admitting it?
633
00:36:25,975 --> 00:36:27,685
[Moon-hyeon] You're not gonna talk?
634
00:36:27,768 --> 00:36:30,728
- Why did you call your members?
- [Choi] You think you're the Holy Spirit?
635
00:36:30,771 --> 00:36:33,316
[Moon-hyeon] We kept asking
questions right up to the elevator.
636
00:36:34,108 --> 00:36:37,695
But Jae-rock didn't say anything
to defend himself or anything like that.
637
00:36:38,196 --> 00:36:43,409
And the people around him were trying to
shove away the reporters that were there.
638
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:46,287
I remember him seeming shameless.
639
00:36:46,370 --> 00:36:48,206
- Move away, please.
- [Choi] Excuse me!
640
00:36:48,289 --> 00:36:50,499
[Moon-hyeon] Why were they
in your room at night?
641
00:36:50,583 --> 00:36:51,876
Tell us about April 12!
642
00:36:53,669 --> 00:36:57,256
ACCUSED OF SEXUALLY ASSAULTING
CHURCH MEMBERS
643
00:36:57,340 --> 00:37:00,593
PASTOR LEE JAE-ROCK'S
SECOND POLICE SUMMONS
644
00:37:02,803 --> 00:37:05,306
After that,
he continued to deny the charges
645
00:37:05,389 --> 00:37:07,350
during the prosecutor's investigation.
646
00:37:07,433 --> 00:37:10,269
During the trial,
he would just deny everything.
647
00:37:10,353 --> 00:37:12,647
He claimed he had never assaulted them.
648
00:37:12,730 --> 00:37:14,774
He hired very expensive lawyers
649
00:37:14,857 --> 00:37:18,236
and pleaded not guilty
until the very end.
650
00:37:19,987 --> 00:37:23,282
There was a very specific incident
that brought down Manmin.
651
00:37:23,366 --> 00:37:26,035
An audio of a female member
began to circulate.
652
00:37:26,535 --> 00:37:29,872
She was one of the most prominent
and active members of the church.
653
00:37:29,956 --> 00:37:34,335
It's an audio of this person
talking to one of her friends.
654
00:37:34,919 --> 00:37:36,754
In that recording, she's saying
655
00:37:36,837 --> 00:37:39,715
that there was nothing wrong
with having sex with Jae-rock.
656
00:37:41,717 --> 00:37:43,427
RECORDING PROVIDED BY THE VICTIM
IN 2018
657
00:37:43,511 --> 00:37:46,514
[woman 1] Do you really think it's okay
he demands that from unwilling women
658
00:37:46,597 --> 00:37:48,641
just because he's the Holy Spirit?
659
00:37:48,724 --> 00:37:51,102
- You never thought that it was wrong?
- [woman 2] No.
660
00:37:51,185 --> 00:37:53,025
[woman 1] So you're always
completely obedient?
661
00:37:53,062 --> 00:37:54,522
[woman 2] Yes.
662
00:37:54,605 --> 00:37:57,024
- It's not that weird.
- [woman 1] Why isn't it weird?
663
00:37:57,525 --> 00:38:00,695
Do you have to do everything
that he says, then? Even having sex?
664
00:38:01,612 --> 00:38:05,032
[woman 2] Pastor Lee is God.
It's okay.
665
00:38:05,116 --> 00:38:07,535
If he says it's not a sin,
then it's not a sin.
666
00:38:08,286 --> 00:38:09,829
[choral music]
667
00:38:09,912 --> 00:38:12,790
When I listened to that,
I realized that it was all true.
668
00:38:12,873 --> 00:38:15,918
I found my 20 years of faith
shattered in just two hours.
669
00:38:17,503 --> 00:38:21,382
[producer] So, how did it feel
to have 20 years of faith shattered?
670
00:38:21,465 --> 00:38:23,467
[choral music swells]
671
00:38:32,852 --> 00:38:36,439
Uh, I guess it felt like... my mind...
672
00:38:38,274 --> 00:38:40,818
going completely blank in a second.
673
00:38:41,527 --> 00:38:45,906
It felt like my head was getting
slammed with a huge hammer.
674
00:38:46,615 --> 00:38:50,328
I was so shocked
that I couldn't do anything all day. Yeah.
675
00:38:52,580 --> 00:38:54,165
It was unimaginable.
676
00:38:54,248 --> 00:38:57,543
You never think
that God could do something like that.
677
00:38:57,626 --> 00:38:58,794
"Huh?"
678
00:38:59,712 --> 00:39:00,838
I was stunned.
679
00:39:01,964 --> 00:39:04,300
I felt like I had suddenly
been hit by a bomb.
680
00:39:06,594 --> 00:39:09,930
I mean, Jae-rock
was over 50 years older than them.
681
00:39:10,014 --> 00:39:11,432
And he knew them all.
682
00:39:11,515 --> 00:39:13,893
These were kids who went to his church
683
00:39:15,186 --> 00:39:16,520
He prayed with them.
684
00:39:16,604 --> 00:39:20,274
These kids first came to the church
carried by their mothers,
685
00:39:20,775 --> 00:39:23,069
and he did unspeakable things to them.
686
00:39:24,070 --> 00:39:27,073
At first, I almost went after him.
687
00:39:28,616 --> 00:39:31,118
It was all completely outrageous.
688
00:39:33,079 --> 00:39:36,332
[witness 2] To think he'd practically
raised those girls since they were kids,
689
00:39:36,415 --> 00:39:40,169
and then did that to them when they were
just teenagers until their 20s...
690
00:39:40,252 --> 00:39:43,255
He was in his 70s.
I don't even know what to call him.
691
00:39:43,339 --> 00:39:45,466
Pervert? Degenerate?
692
00:39:46,926 --> 00:39:49,512
I wonder what I would have done
in their place.
693
00:39:49,595 --> 00:39:51,889
If Pastor Lee had called me to his room,
694
00:39:51,972 --> 00:39:53,432
and asked me to do that.
695
00:39:53,516 --> 00:39:56,644
To take off my clothes,
saying we were like Adam and Eve.
696
00:39:56,727 --> 00:39:59,647
It may sound shocking,
but I think I would have obeyed him.
697
00:40:00,398 --> 00:40:02,108
RECORDING PROVIDED BY THE VICTIM
IN 2018
698
00:40:02,191 --> 00:40:04,819
[Jae-rock] I love you so much,
spiritually.
699
00:40:04,902 --> 00:40:09,365
The body is a very important thing,
but I love you with my spirit.
700
00:40:09,448 --> 00:40:11,367
[woman, tearfully] I know that.
701
00:40:11,450 --> 00:40:15,621
[Jae-rock] If you don't like
physical love, I won't even consider it.
702
00:40:15,704 --> 00:40:16,831
[woman sighs]
703
00:40:16,914 --> 00:40:19,250
[Jae-rock] I won't consider it
if you don't like it.
704
00:40:20,209 --> 00:40:22,169
I don't love you just because of that.
705
00:40:23,337 --> 00:40:25,089
[woman] Okay. [sniffles]
706
00:40:25,172 --> 00:40:26,340
[Jae-rock] All right.
707
00:40:27,716 --> 00:40:29,009
I'll see you tomorrow.
708
00:40:29,718 --> 00:40:32,304
- [woman, sobbing] Okay, thank you.
- [Jae-rock] Sure.
709
00:40:33,097 --> 00:40:35,349
- I love you.
- [woman] Okay. Bye.
710
00:40:36,851 --> 00:40:38,853
- [sniffling]
- [hangs up]
711
00:40:43,149 --> 00:40:47,570
The day their God was destroyed
was May 3rd, 2018.
712
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:49,488
That was the day.
713
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,162
[camera shutters clicking]
714
00:41:01,250 --> 00:41:03,669
[woman] We're here for you! Stay strong.
715
00:41:05,838 --> 00:41:07,506
MAY 3, 2018
LEE JAE-ROCK IS ARRESTED
716
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Do you admit it?
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[dramatic music]
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Do you deny the charges?
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At the prayer meeting,
you said you don't fear the police.
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What do you mean by that?
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Pastor Lee of Manmin Central Church
has been arrested,
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after being charged
with multiple sexual assaults.
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[echoing footsteps]
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[dramatic music intensifies]
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[Myeong-jun] The day of his arrest,
it suddenly started hailing.
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Almost as if God were angry.
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[Kwang-oh] Manmin Church calls that day
the "Hail Incident."
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All the members were furious,
saying he was being put through hardship.
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MANMIN CENTRAL CHURCH
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[crowd clamoring]
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[man] Disclose the truth! The truth!
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[all] We want the truth!
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WHY IS OUR PASTOR LOCKED UP FOR 15 YEARS?
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[chanting] We want truth! We want truth!
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PASTOR LEE WAS FRAMED
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[group singing in Korean]
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BRING OUT THE LIE DETECTOR
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TRANSPORT
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[man] There he is.
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There he is, right there. You got him?
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For many people, it was their first time
seeing him looking like a coward.
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When he got out of the car,
he seemed wary to me.
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They say he didn't have white hair
because he was God.
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He was supposed to keep his black hair
even as he got older.
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But he looked like a random old man.
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[dramatic music continues]
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DEFENDANT LEE JAE-ROCK SENTENCED
TO 16 YEARS IN JAIL
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[woman] Dear Lord, keep us in your heart...
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JANUARY 18, 2018
FILMED BY CREW OF PD NOTE
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...as we wish Pastor Lee
a very happy new year.
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Let's say "Happy New Year," and bow.
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[all] Happy New Year, dear Pastor Lee!
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SOME MANMIN CENTRAL CHURCH MEMBERS
ARE STILL WAITING FOR PASTOR LEE JAE-ROCK
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- [group shouting]
- [man] Our dear Pastor Lee!
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- We miss you a lot!
- [woman] Come back to us soon!
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LEE KWANG-OH, CORRECTION ADVISOR
AT SEOUL NAMBU DETENTION CENTER
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I am currently Director of Corrections
at Seoul Nambu Detention Center.
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I have authority in the detention center.
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I visited the center in Daegu
in March 2021.
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I wondered, what was the true nature
of this deceptive man?
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How was his life in prison?
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So, when I saw him,
I said, "Hey, Jae-rock!"
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He glanced at me.
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Just imagine how my heart was pounding
when I said his name.
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[rapid heartbeat]
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"You need to live a better life!
Aren't you afraid of God?"
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That's what I wanted to say, but then...
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he didn't recognize me.
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Even in prison,
he was the leader of his cell.
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He always has five million won
kept in custody.
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He's eating well and living well.
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[unsettling music]
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USE REAL TESTIMONIES
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SOME INTERVIEWS HAVE BEEN REENACTED
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