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hello anybody that is watching hi

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early on with battalion she was doing as

many things as possible to cause hurt or

harm or men

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I've got my adopted daughter trying to

poison and kill my wife

we have had her standing over my bed

with a knife

she's clearly dangerous

at this point what do we do we we take

her to the stress Center

we buy a psychiatric doctor and so at

this point in time we had already begun

asking mental health professionals for

help trying to find guidance trying to

figure out the right medication

we're told that every time is

something you can do about this

is

this

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and she can't stay at the stress Center

she's she's yours take her home

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he did say

you can't let Natalia have free roam at

the house anymore

you need to put a latch on the outside

of her door

and anytime she meets food bath bathroom

whatever's needed you need to escort her

through the house

cannot let her freely roam your home

anymore

at this point we haven't done anything

as a family for a long time

we can't go to eat dinner together we

can't go to the grocery store together

we are always on guard for things we

don't do anything

so

Ethan my youngest son loved cats so for

his birthday we find a place in

Indianapolis that lets you milk your own

kettle

it's called Traders Point Creamery

we get inside and they say we have some

release forms for you to sign out there

where the cows are it's an electric

fence

and you have to say you know there's

electric fence there and if you touch it

and you get harmed that you're not going

to hold us liable

when they say that to us

how his eyes lit up like a Christmas

tree

really

scary fence out there and uh I have to

sign this

happily signs away

it's another

quarter mile from that building to where

the FED starts everything's fine

the moment we get within 10 feet of the

fence

Natalia suddenly can't walk again

before we went

on a trail like

I swear it stayed back

So Christine decides you're not going to

ruin Ethan's birthday

Michael you take the boys you go on

ahead

I will stay back here and I'll handle

this

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keep going we keep going get about 40 50

yards down I start hearing screaming

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Italia and Christine are in a physical

altercation

it looks like Natalia is trying to pull

Christine

now you might think hey she's a little

person how strong can she be

uses her arms a lot

push herself up

she goes up the stairs using her arms

she's got guns that Schwarzenegger be

impressed with

very strong

my wife is frail

he's called lupus

I start to go back Christine says no

go

see once my son to have his first

birthday go and me and the boys double

tie it

would get a little bit farther down

and we hear the sirens

the second I heard the sirens

I thought Christine's dad

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and the police have arrived

ambulances arrived

and we can see Christine is there

Christine's very angry very upset

the Italians over with the the EMTs

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she been screaming out loud

how am I with language in the

in the words you [ __ ] I'm gonna kill

you I'm going to kill you you [ __ ]

you're gonna die

Christine's screaming at them she needs

to be arrested she tried to kill me she

we wanted charges we wanted her arrested

she admittedly

through their face when they came to the

9-1-1 call and said

I'm trying to kill her

they made the distinction that they're

visual

told them hey

hey that's a little girl

she's not really trying to kill anybody

she's sick we're going to take her to

the hospital instead

but they stated we're we're not going to

press charges she's going to get a

mental health evaluation

I think she was already in the ambulance

by the time I'd come back

it's like oh

I like it

I felt a sense of relief like

we'll save her

I'll see him and I said she has to go

to a hospital Long Term and get help we

didn't know how long

she can't come home until she's better

Natalia was in a state mental hospital

she was under 24 7 observation and care

of 90 doctors nurses orderlies

therapists Etc

he's there she admits openly and freely

that yeah trying to kill her

and by the way I'm going to tell you

doctors and I'm going to write this in

my journal

I'm gonna kill the boys too

and here's specifically what I'm gonna

do to them I am going to stab them with

a knife while they sleep

drag their bodies out of the house

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the page or this picture immediately

after being admitted to the Ricardo

State Hospital

it says buy as in goodbye

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he was aggressive she was very

manipulative she could be sneaky at

times

gonna speak English

I remember she used to fight with a

staff

that gave her injection our backside

obviously a solution to inspire so one

of the first thing he noticed is she

does actually care

machine was all adults I mean the the

clothing The Talk

and remember seeing how mature he was

Central busy she was

her clothing became very revealing of

her body and over

he talked about sex a lot

she was on the table and

and now patients there

she was

2000 being

friends

after a couple weeks

weeks phone call from them

you gotta come get her

why

well they try to be really delicate with

it

Natalia's propositioning the men

what are you talking about

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Natalia was up the root Carter we've

been trying to get her to inpatient

treatment we have been begging people

to help us we've been told by everybody

who need help desperately your family's

in danger she needs inpatient treatment

great we are at an inpatient facility

that's fantastic can you help us know

Mr Barnett

mental hospital

the adult way

most of the men

they're not particularly good with

children

and they're not particularly good with

girls

as time went out her true colors really

came out

he talked about six at least after

church

we recall her being very structural

please

have a boyfriend

they were excited they were very excited

the language that

is using you know with the the male

I was shocked there was a mention of

her sexual

babe so after a month they needed her

out of there because

bad things are about to happen with all

the men

take her home

she's gonna kill us

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the danger we've been in

isn't going anywhere anytime soon and it

can't be controlled

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I'm Beth Karis I'm an attorney in New

York I'm a former prosecutor

what hooked me in this case it was just

the strange story

she's had various diagnoses the last one

being sociopath

in my opinion there are questions a lot

of questions with this case

the fundamental rule in all

investigations is that you follow the

facts wherever they may lead you

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there are some things that just don't

sit right with me

she's actually threatening to kill them

you gotta go to the police

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Christine and Michael don't call the

police

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but the neighbor who is very concerned

does call Department of Child Services

who bring in the police in March of

2012.

get a report of child neglect of Natalia

March comes

Christina Natalia are having the who are

you fight

Christine wants Natalia to write down

people she's lived with

Lisa she's been

it's about people you've known

and this night Christine decides

that the most effective way to tell me

who you really are

you sleep outside

grab your blanket

if you're sleeping on the back deck

the tie is out there crying finally like

three hours into this

I told Christina I can't do this

I get up I'll let Natalia and I get him

back to her room

one of the neighbors called CPS

so CPS shows up in the door Child

Protective Services with a detective

from the local police department

hey come in they've gotten this call and

we're neglecting Natalia

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the detective for the Westfield Police

Department

in 10 minutes

takes a look at the surroundings

takes a look at the paperwork listens to

us speak for a couple minutes

and she

immediately realizes

he's not here to protect Natalya

he's here to protect my sons

he knows instantly they are in grave

Danger

he conducts an investigation he comes

back and visits us he's got a picture of

Natalya for when she was naturalized

here and

2008.

here from the Ukraine he's got her

naturalization uh information basic

Vital Statistics stuff like that

Natalya admitted to detective Klaus that

she was told her new birthday at the

orphanage in Ukraine

three

another thing detective Klaus showed her

a picture of herself from when she

entered the country

I did not recognize herself in the

picture

he's not 100 convinced to grow the

picture he's even her

another interesting things he mentions

to us is correct

years ago when she was naturalized

grown a centimeter

I don't care what kind of dwarfism you

have if you're a six-year-old

still bro

forms us

heat Cranium birth certificate is all

bogus

here's this business card to an attorney

you need to go to them immediately you

need to correct her age

what are you talking about correct her

age you can't just take an eraser to a

birth certificate I've never heard of

such a thing I never it never even

crossed my mind

I just thought we have an adult who's

masquering as an eight-year-old and

that's what it is

so he explains to me

unborn children often have inaccurate

birth records and sometimes it needs to

be corrected this is our legal

recommendation from the police

department

we have it in writing from

the only way to protect higher family

they have to prove she's an adult

and that she definitely has a fake

Ukrainian birth certificate

again we reached out to the adoption

agency when we asked them can you help

give us contact information for her old

family we have got to find out what's

going on here

they said no we can't

the answer is always it is a closed

adoption the other family does not want

to surrender any information to you

it is not until

a phone call from the secretary of the

adoption agency a little bit later that

day

can't tell you

where she's from

closer

we'll really inspect those backpacks

stare at the house get the backpacks Out

start lunging through it

there was a little light

when we adopted her

that had the original family's

information on it

what are their names

Gary and Diane Ciccone

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we know according to records Natalia

starts her early life than an orphanage

and you

all the conflicts in this case boiled

down to Natalya's age is she a child or

is she an adult in 2020 a Ukrainian

investigator

I found anagawa's sister Tatiana

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foreign

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foreign

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foreign

who is supposedly Natalya's biological

mother just said she's been going

through this Saga for 17 years well she

said that in 2020

do the math

means Natalia May really have been born

in 2003 which is what she has said all

along and in 2008 Gary and Diane Saccone

from new

Natalia

Natalia of 2009 it it's possible that

they found her behavior to be too hard

to manage I don't know

sister Collins it's clear that

they close adoption giving virtually no

information about her they made a

mistake though they left their

identifying information on one of the

luggage tags

were able to track

them down

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my name is Judith Irving and I'm from a

little town in Indiana and uh

I don't know what else to say okay can

we start over I'm so sorry oh Natalia

the first time I heard about Natalia

um I actually received an email from

Little People of America

little people of America is an

organization where people with dwarfism

they can meet and have come together

once a year and we're there for each

other we help support each other we're

friends with each other it's often where

we meet our husbands or wives or our

best friend little people of America

told me that the zip codes had adopted a

little girl she has diastrophic dwarfism

and they're trying to find a home for

her

when I saw her picture it was I

instantly fell in love I was like yeah I

it's this little girl Natalia she's

meant to she's meant to be my daughter

if they hurt you love to dance and sing

and be creative and I was like

you know she just meant to be with me

Diane and her husband said paid the

legal fees and you can adopt

this little girl if I remember right she

told

adoption cost from Ukraine were around

000 and I find it kind of crazy that you

would adopt a child and spend 25 000 and

only spend a year with that child so I

find it odd I don't know if there was a

financial scam or not

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my husband decided I don't think we can

do this financially and I feel like if

you're going to adopt both parents have

to be totally into it

but it broke my heart

so

sorry you just uh

when I wasn't able to adopt her I just

want her to be happy

if you would have found out what

happened to her I was like she wasn't

happy

that was what broke my heart the most is

that she wasn't happy

in my heart Natalia is the daughter I

never had

once we we told them that we couldn't

adopt

Natalia they moved on really quickly to

the next couple

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my name is Robin Ferris and this is my

husband Dwayne Ferris

back in 2009 we received an email from

the little people of America asking us

if we might be interested in a possible

adoption of a little girl named Natalia

and she hooked us up with the

um adoptive mom Diane chiconi she had

asked us if we would cover her previous

medical expenses

so right then and there we started to

get concerned we thought it was some

kind of weird scam or you know she kind

of came across as a used car salesman of

Swords trying to sell Natalya to us

so we said heck no we're not gonna do

that we're not gonna pay for anything

that occurred in the past and I think

she harped on it a little bit

but then eventually she gave that up

no red flag that we were concerned about

is why Diane adopted her and and so

quickly wanted to

basically get rid of her

we were concerned about her mental

health coming from an orphanage in

Ukraine

so we did ask her if we could please

have Natalya evaluated

um for a psychological evaluation to see

where she stood on that and

um Miss Diane said no why would someone

if they didn't have anything to hide why

would they

refuse the psychological evaluation yeah

definitely Shady weird

um definitely red flags but I was still

interested I still wanted to pursue

so we're driving to this lake house in

New Hampshire where we were meeting for

Diana Natalya and that reminded me of

Camp Crystal Lake

it was kind of spooky he had some

concerns because the driveway was super

Steep and it was gravel and us you know

having physical disabilities just like

Natalia we were wondering wow how does

she get up and down the gravel driveway

because when we first saw Natalya and

she didn't have shoes at all she has

these slippery braces on her feet

and if you're stepping on Pebbles it

could definitely hurt your feet so we

were just really surprised she didn't

have any shoes because you could fall

down the driveway easily without the

proper footing

but we thought she was really adorable

she was about to turn six years old and

she definitely looked her stated age

but we really had a feeling that there

was something bad going on

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we're both Christians and everybody in

our opinion has

god-given natural gifts and one of his

gifts is the gift of discernment

you know to the regular

um average world it would just be more

of a sixth sense or an intuition

and a really good lie detector I guess

Diane

and Natalya I knew

that they were lying she was withdrawn

and quiet and didn't engage yeah she

would like look up first

to make sure her answers were

appropriate

for Diane and then you asked her what

the Ukrainian orphanage was like oh yeah

yeah and she gave an uncoached answer it

was obvious

seemed surprised that she said that and

said oh no it wasn't that bad you were

fine it was almost like Diane had to

give her approval

for her to come out and then as soon as

she said what she was coached to say she

went back in I've never seen another

person do that

even in movies even in The Exorcist

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I can feel evil when I come into a room

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I couldn't really put my finger on

whether it was the situation that was

evil or Natalia there was something

wrong with her

and I think that's the first time I've

ever completely trusted that intuition

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right then is when I made the decision

the wind this was not gonna happen it's

as hard as it was to make that decision

because I knew how it was going to

affect you

and when I told you I was like there's

this I can't put my finger on it but

there's something wrong

you call Diane to tell her we weren't

coming back and then

story just got crazier and because she

went

ballistic on the phone she was

curious I could hear her through the

phone yelling and so I was like okay

we need to go because no time what she

was gonna do I mean she would not

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Christine Burnett

tried to contact me on Facebook

not long after they adopted Natalya and

I wouldn't talk to her

and I knew that things were not right I

don't know if she's trying to get me on

her side or or what she's trying to do I

know I don't know

but maybe it's I'm not going to

entertain even say hello to her

the Barnett's claim that Natalya had

threatened them so what if even if she

did threaten you you're the parent I'm a

teacher I have 600 students some of

those are from really rough families

you know and I've been told I'm gonna

cut you up and I've been told I'm gonna

drink your blood and I've been told all

kinds of weird stuff but

I'm not truly scared that that's gonna

happen

that child needs help

so you get that child help

so yeah I find actually being scared of

a child

um when you're a group of full-size Road

adult a little ridiculous

no I started posting on an adoption

message board

asking about

if anybody had any experience with

Natalia what was it like a year later

that Michael Barnett emailed me out of

the blue and said I think we adopted the

little girl you were talking about

is it her name Natalya some other things

I was like yep that's her

Christine his wife wanted to talk to you

Christine and I kept in touch over

Facebook Messenger for several years it

didn't seem like a lot of shady stuff

going on

Michael and Christine Burnett I mean

what they would do anything to get what

they want

the live on Natalia being violent

you just don't know the truth or Nets

when Christine started telling us all

these crazy stories we thought wait a

minute

she's tiny yeah all these stories don't

make sense

and so we started figuring it out that

everything Christine told us wasn't the

truth

Christine was using me and Dwayne

because if she can get us on her side

believing you know that Natalia had

issues then she would feel Justified it

may be getting rid of her

Michael and Christine Burnett not only

mine too get her into their family but

they also lied to get rid of her

if they wanted to claim she's older than

what she is I mean I don't know where

they came up with that that's just crazy

like who thinks of that

detective Klaus had told me need to

correct her age

the power legal recommendation from the

police department

for my review of detective classes

report he had several

unfortunately due to his passing 2015 uh

it's impossible for us to confirm or

deny the substance

detective Klaus I wrote this email to

Heather Wilson departmental services

matching a picture presumably taken at

it appears she has baby teeth still in

this picture

I'm also attaching a

foot where it appears she has adult

teeth

it appears for all purposes of our

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home study report was prepared

about the Barnett's early 2010 by a

licensed social worker one section that

I found very troubling and it's the

background information

the worker asked Michael and Christine

if they had ever had a need domestic

violence or disturbances at home and

they've all said no

State took their word for it that they

relied on the self-reporting

you should have gone to the local place

to see if their names ever appeared

because they would have found domestic

violence

in 2003

years before this home study evaluation

fighting Michael's got Christine in a

headlock

mayonnaise pushed her

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these are situations that are pretty

serious

it's scary you know to think of what

could have been and what all the Evil

dark secrets are that we don't even know

that are coming to life

it really doesn't shock me that Michael

and Christine have kept some of these

family secrets Secret

this is not the public Persona they want

to have

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here every now and then Michael and

Christine would be in the front yard

arguing or fighting or there was no I

never saw anything physical it was just

the yelling and the screaming

I felt sorry for Michael because she was

degrading him and calling him a loser

and a jerk and I

poor guy

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I've been fooled by thinking that they

were the perfect family because I don't

think they were the perfect family

foreign

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made about Natalya acting out in a

violent way

most of them happen within the home but

the bottom line is

the incident was told from

this perspective but the last one was

different than Traders Point Creamery

incident had Witnesses

um Chris I worked

at Creamery as a herdsman from 2012 to

2015.

uh so I had gotten a call that there is

crisis on the electric fence officers

were called and that we needed to take

them down to where the individual was

so I was under the impression that when

we got down there that there was going

to be a little person who was

distressed uh very emotional when we get

down there

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caretaker seemed to be the one who was

the emotional one of the two

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and the little person seemed to be more

calm and rational about the whole

situation

there was no mention of the caretaker

being at risk or anything like that

Natalia had been trying to pull

Christine into the electric fence

she had been screaming out loud [ __ ]

I'm gonna kill you I'm going to kill you

you [ __ ] you're gonna die

so uh I was there with the officer I

don't remember any of that being said I

don't remember there being any threats

about Bing I'm going to kill

or anything like that I just felt like

the situation had kind of been overblown

and was not really that big of a deal

like I have a fairly good memory and

I've been positive I would remember that

the biggest thing I remember is thinking

that if I had to deal with the adult

caretaker that I would be really

frustrated just because it felt like she

she seemed to be making the situation

worse

my name is Marco stetler and at Trader's

Point I was a farm manager

phone call from

up and hey we've got an issue there's

somebody on the walking trail they're

having a crisis what should we do can

you turn

dangerous was also the question and both

the answers I should say were no it's

not dangerous and also no I can't turn

it off because it's already off I think

that section offenses

because the cows were in a different

part of the

and so my response was maybe a little

callous but but mostly because the

threat was so Hollow

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I can't imagine taking a child's threats

like so seriously being truly scared

that you could take their threats

serious but we're not even super strong

we're diastrophics we have joint

problems we have all kinds of issues

that would make it difficult for us to

truly overcome someone we don't have the

capability of truly hurting an adult

you know unless you know there was

Firearms involved

that someone like me

that I couldn't damage an adult they

could just hold me off

if Michael's version of what happened at

Trader's Traders Creamery is not true

to tell you really did not try to push

her into an electric fence and kill her

then it casted out on all the other

allegations of Natalya's acting out that

Michael and Christine has reported I

don't know though that anyone can get to

the truth here because there are so many

stories for everybody

for example Michael's version of what

happened here is not necessarily

reliable

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at the trainers Point incident how did

the police react I don't know the sons

and I were

ours

we saw the police lights had arrived we

still had a good mile mile and a half of

running through a forest to get back in

the path to get back up there

time all four of us get all the way back

up there

value's already gone the officer with

her is already gone

I don't speak to the officers I speak to

my wife

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keep going we keep going get about 40 50

yards down and I start hearing screaming

I turn and look

Natalia and Christine are in a physical

altercation

it looks like Natalia's trying to pull

Christine

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I don't know what the truth is

raises a question

about whether or not Michael and

Christine kind of orchestrated the

Traders Point Creamery incident

they wanted an outside incident where

there would be you know some

potential Witnesses maybe uh and she

would be taken away for good this time

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right there

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so a couple things that I want you to

know is that any filling

is safe in this room

okay

you know whatever you disclose your

make sense yes okay

the other thing that I want to ask you

is do you know the difference between a

truth and a lie yes

what happened at the creamery we had

gone to a farm

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and it was kind of fun

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the harder it is

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