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she's abusive

I couldn't

stand up to that woman

I could today

I could now with distance in space and

Clarity I could now

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put it

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foreign

I'm such an idiot

what else what else he is talking about

that's just all I wanted to talk about

but now I feel like a [ __ ] because I

have my

my first off even if they click and they

asked you back I don't care I understand

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danger whatsoever yeah

I can't see can use

okay yeah

let me know when you're ready

were you disciplined by Christina Mike

tell me about that

um they think they really like whoop me

or none like that

did anyone ever put their hands on you

um do you know what that means like

physically did anyone just

no but I know they did well actually

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initially Natalya

in her interview with the forensic

interviewer with the prosecutor's office

she's made a lot of conflicting

statements and they are memorialized in

police reports now they will be like you

know Alex sometimes um parents they

whoop you with the Bell they did with me

she clearly let the boys

she left the three boys one yes and

Jacob you just dropped me

when you say you just dropped you what

does that mean like you would have it

but we just dropped you you know

somebody might pick you up

so when the three boys were whooping you

who is in the room

Christine she was sitting right over

there first she woke me then she had the

boys and then Michael will dream

and then my collection

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so so this is actually uh this ties into

one of the things that I uh

whether or not to talk it here

I think I decided I will anyways

one of Natalya's

problematic behaviors was that she would

frequently

when soil

urinating places where she shouldn't

is for example on blankets or

Furniture such as a couch

because it was happening frequently

whatever my mother was trying to do to

address the situation wasn't working

so uh

with was for

for urinate in Natalia's bed

I had pink blankets

the Vivid part is just like basically

the action

I remember feeling anger while I was

doing

like experiencing a thought like oh this

this will show her

show her

do we need more on this topic or are we

good

she didn't give me instructions man

you shouldn't like

oh let's let's aim that way

how are you

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feeling bad

action of

urinating in Italian's bed

and uh

to this day I feel horrible that I

actually did that

swallow stick that keeps me up at night

like I kind of feel like a Nazi

following words in a way

so there's definitely

I don't think Natalia was treated fairly

in the unlikely scenario that

listens to this and it doesn't just like

turn it off I hope she

her stand as an Unapologetic

I've had

to grow up

it's further

I haven't really had a chance to speak

about publicly

yeah I'm good

yeah I don't think I have anything else

to add

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Jacob has relayed to me

that Christine made

and specifically we're not going to talk

about anybody else

while I was at work

Christine made Jacob pee all over

Natalia's things

Jacob's words to me

his mom explained it to him as it is

therapeutic it is something that a

therapist told her to be done Christine

told Jake that it's okay

and my wife made my

own year old son

he all over to tell you things

does he gets you back

give me a second

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have you heard stutter out there

I hear you can tell you something like

that

12 years later

I heard about this for the first time

this week

you don't know how to react

I don't know I don't know what Jacob

means from me in that moment I tried to

put my arm on him as he was telling me

and he smacked me away

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Christine controlled her children and

used them to control Natalya it was all

about control

control manipulation

not just supposed to like oh parents

protect their children

Christine put Jacob on the front lines

and it makes you wonder what did she

Force Natalya to do

he was abused by that woman I was abused

by that woman Jacob was abused by that

woman my other two sons without woman

today

that woman is a controlling wife

my lady woman we were all abused

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Christine's a monster

the one time she yelled at me because

she was standing on a St on a chair to

change a light bulb that I wanted to get

off the chair

because she was pregnant and due the

next day and she's up on

yelling because Michael had to change

the light bulb and I pristine you need

to come down

she told everybody I hit her

and then she told me I had to leave

their house

I wasn't welcome there anymore

the really hard part is

what this has done to my son

he's been raked over the coals he's been

treated like crap

when he's a piece of person and I know

every mother's gonna say that

but I think that a piece of him has been

carved out and thrown away

so

there's the easy definition of sexual

abuse which is obvious

visual

and you can see it and you can know it

and then there's what I went through

that she sexually abused me by

physically violating my body

she did not

did she sexually abuse Me by using it as

a tool

yes she did

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so Christine's sexual things to

manipulate me was basically holding it

from me

keeping it from me she knew I was

attracted to her there were many years

that the

he had limited it to happen with single

digits

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never came on to me

she never told me I was attractive she's

the attractive one I'm the ugly one so

invariably

I get a wee bit addicted to pornography

pornography is not going to tell me I'm

ugly

it's not going to reject me

so

Christine would use the pornography

stuff against me it made it worse

October 2013.

I leave Canada

you were not yet been divorce at this

time

Christine decides to start using sex as

a weapon to make me come back and get

so she would start sending naughty

pictures to me

teasing me tempting me if you just come

back you'll get this

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was leveraging her body her sex to get

what she wanted in the divorce

you could have this

but give me what I want which is custody

of the boys

and he agrees

Christine is the walking epitome of evil

at first for a very long time I thought

brainwashing was only on me I didn't see

it happening to anybody else

until I saw how my sons have been

manipulated after divorce she told my

kids over and over and over and over and

over your father's going to kill you I'm

going to protect you

and for a young developing mind

how often do you need your mom to repeat

to you

your dad's gonna kill you

until you start buying it my middle son

and my youngest son I've not seen him in

over eight years

and

they want nothing to do with seeing me

evil she's earned it

she's earned every single letter of it

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given the bitter divorce between Michael

and Christine they really hate each

other and there's a war between them and

the criminal cases against Michael and

Christine are coming up the prosecution

had to file charges separately against

Michael and Christine I suspect because

Michael told detective Davenport about a

lot of alleged criminal conduct by

Christine

and Michael's trial is first so is he

trying to put all the blame on Christine

to escape any accountability

or is he motivated by Revenge

for the first year after the divorce we

were using the one communal phone

the one communal phone

point in time had been set up to

automatically back

up pictures and videos

so every time she takes a picture of my

sons

automatically backing up

to my Dropbox account

every day

hoping to see my kids hoping to see

Smiles hoping to see a video hoping they

hear their voices

and nearly immediately after I'm seeing

pictures

of her in various states of undress

that I know are being sent

to other people

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who worked in those pictures

anyone you didn't touch me you didn't

send any

body

out

Chris it's my Dropbox

Spotify

is

I do not know people

I don't know why Spotify

spotify's like Pandora it's a music

player

Christine was not tech savvy

she didn't understand computers she

didn't understand technology

she would take pictures of herself in

in leaf and

and this whole time Michael is living

with me and my family and

these are just appearing

on his computer and

to watch him go through the devastation

is it

like his life was being ripped apart

from the inside and not only his life

but

his heart

there's been a lot of pain in their

15-year broken marriage

she has Twisted convoluted lied publicly

privately repeatedly over and over and

over again so she can maintain power

money control over everything and

everyone

Natalia's manipulated brainwashed

engineered into looking as crazy as

possible

summer 2012 Marion County court has

ruled that Natalya is and has been an

adult a month or two before that moment

Christine has taught and rehearsed a

greeting with Natalya hi I I I have to

do it in in the voice and everything so

you need to give me a little sip of

water

because I can see her do it because I

can see her with her hands her her

fingers don't bend due to one of her

display just and it's just the way it is

hi my name's Natalia I might look young

but I'm actually 23 years old and I'm

dangerous I have tried to kill people

before

yeah

you what this happened

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this guy sound terrible

I don't think I ever witnessed her say

that greeting to a stranger publicly

allowed

I don't think I was ever present when

Natalya on her own met a stranger it was

something Christine had taught Natalia

for when we weren't around and Christine

couldn't warn the people herself that

that should I have been more of a man

should I have

stood up and and taken control and put

my foot down yeah

take that back that's not being a man

should I have been a different person

capable of doing such a thing

no

she's abusive

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I couldn't

stand up to that woman

I could today

I could now with distances facing

Clarity I could now

shut up

when she told me that she had tried to

kill her mom I was like why was that and

it felt like either she was coached to

say that and those

didn't happen and somebody was just

saying like this is what this is what

happened and kind of made her believe

that or she was just so far just

connected emotionally from what was

happening

abuse in general is all about power

steam was the one in power

Christine's the one

in powwow today

if it's true that Christine was

manipulating Natalya to say things that

were false that it's really disturbing

and it begs the question of whether or

not this is evidence of Stockholm

Syndrome or is it evidence that Natalya

was a child following the orders of her

mother now that may explain some of

Natalya's inconsistencies for example

Natalya admitted trying to poison

Christine to

she just said I tried to poison them so

I had to live in the garage for a while

and then she denied it did you try to

put a foreign substance into her coffee

no that's what she told me to tell her

it sure sounds like these statements

were things that Natalya didn't

necessarily want to say that sounds like

compulsion like she was being forced to

say certain things

everything in this case boils down to

Natalya's age

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is she a child or is she an adult

could she really have been born in 2003

how old is Natalia Barnett really it's

clear that the prosecution believes

Natalya was a child when she was left

alone to fend for herself in this

apartment in Lafayette Indiana

getting her re-aged to an adult could

have been away from Michael and

Christine to protect themselves from

child neglect charges there are two sets

or theories of charges one is based on

Natalya being a child

the other set of charges is based on

Natalia being a dependent with a

disability

this is where Natalia's age becomes

extremely important

the prosecution can prove that Natalya

was a child

reaging it should be an open and shut

case with any jury

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oh my God

that's for sure

never see my kids again

my house

instead of done what she did I mean she

did it

he said that Christina was a master

manipulator

what if I told you Natalia has never had

a period

I'd be stuns

what if I told you that Natalya really

did started developing rest a year ago

both

um

field with all the research that I've

done you've been told a certain story a

lot of people been told to search where

the truth is that if I am really

occasion they are all I think in your

heart you know that it was wrong

in regards to Natalia being re-aged

there could be a motive Factor here and

the motor Factor could be that whatever

abuse might have taken place the age

makes a big difference in how that's

looked at legally

hey doctor uh my name is Brandon

Davenport I'm detective with the Indiana

State Police and I was trying to get a

hold of you about Natalia

nobody even

senior year or something like that

I have to admit that

I don't believe that

you're told what she was made with maybe

two years old or else I wouldn't be

looking

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well I would have thought it would be a

difficult process to be honest with you

the truth is this actually happened

without even a hearing

which is kind of crazy to me

but they definitely use you as a person

to get that done it definitely looked

like they were trying to say that

they're aging her up because the uh

I remember her telling me that she was

over 18 . Christine was made

let's make them what she was Christine

has a tendency it seems like or the

family at least has its tendency to

falsify a lot of different things to get

their way

now we have to ask ourselves why did

they do this you know I have my

suspicions

you've known that in Indiana you are

responsible for a child especially if

you adopt them until 21 years old

so being 22 years old that made them not

responsible financially for this child

anymore

so what if Christine comes back and says

you know what we wouldn't have aged her

up if Dr

Michael said she was she was older than

what she was

do you think that causes a unique

problem for you then

is that the issue here it could become a

problem my guess is that they're going

to say that they are not going to be

taking any responsibility for for

getting aged up and they only did it

because you said that she was 22 years

old

if they don't want to take

responsibility for what they did they're

going to pass it off to somebody else

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so what's Curious is that this emergency

petition to re-age Natalya is based in

large part on Dr McLaren The Family

Doctor a general practitioner a Dr

McLaren's

opinion is apparently what ruled the day

for the judge and it was enough this

becomes a central issue for the

prosecution

would you agree that the fact that you

personally believe that Natalia is a

child that that biases your

investigation

okay so do you believe in Italian back

in 2000

facts suggests that she was a child at

the time exactly the facts are there's a

court order saying that she's not gonna

fight over this he has said that it's

his opinion the facts show she's a child

is that what you said that it's your

opinion that the fact shows she's a

child

sir yes sir

Natalya's age her birth year was so

important that prosecutors and detective

Davenport went to Ukraine

they went there to to track down this

woman and a God who is allegedly

Natalya's biological mother and get a

DNA sample from her

straight

sparkled and I think your goal is we

want the best for the little girl

so we're going to take this test

to fly

a lot of people

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the reason is that yes we are the DNA

test results came back

is indeed Natalya's biological mother

this is a huge deal

and may put this whole age issue to rest

this changes everything

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then you go ahead and say your name as

well for the record please

Natalia Barnett and

biologically 32 or 33 sorry

I'm 33.

legally

biologically 19.

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Ukraine's President says 30 of the

country's power stations have been

destroyed in just over a week prompting

residents to restrict their use of

electricity and water being part of

moscow's campaign to drive the nation

into the cold and dark

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attached

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ramayana

you

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the translator

foreign

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don't even know but we'll start to bear

with a group of uh

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in 1979 which means she would have been

10 years old

if Natalya was born in 1989 as the

courts ruled when they re-aged her so

there aren't a lot of good reasons

besides seeing pubic hair on her to

believe she was born anytime before

2003.

also we know that Michael's attorneys

have the DNA results of an Agave because

they got it in Discovery in preparation

for the trial so they know an Agave is a

match for Natalya so so regarding the

the woman in the Ukraine

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supposedly is is her mommy that stuff I

don't know the truth of anything and

that is a sentence to God's honest truth

I don't know and this is where if my if

my attorney were hanging out with me he

would jump in and say some attorney

things and he would say something about

due process and inspecting the evidence

and researching the validity of such

things

I've never been to New York I didn't

conduct any East I've done none of these

things

somebody that I was 2004 during any kind

of screening no as as the as this

information been Val idated in the court

of Latin been made official that yes

this is all legit

I have the subtest

submitted by a prosecutor who has a

a reason to want to win their case

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the Tippecanoe County Superior Court

Judge sided with the defense's argument

that Natalya's age cannot be part of

this case a judge ruled years ago that

Natalya was an adult when this series of

events took place for that reason no one

can portray her as a child a big setback

for the prosecution

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foreign

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's biological mother

the Court ruling that that guy's age was

not going to be relitigated at this

criminal trial is a huge blow to the

execution

all of the Witnesses were prepared to

testify about Natalya's age and now

they're being muzzled and silenced

thank you

I am attorney Martin Nicholson

or Christine Barnett Jackie Starbuck

Deputy prosecuting attorney Tony Terrace

kind of hard representing on Michael

Barnett now you

you are correct

I treated her

2010 I believe you know that

Natalya is not a child

when I saw her her growth plates were

open so she was not an adult when I saw

her she had been legally declared an

adult

not at the times of treatment just so

we're clear by time of treatment she was

not legally an adult she came in and I

was told that she was six it's not me

that's saying a doctor with all due

respect is the record in that book it

will serve them be famous please let me

finish

it is the court order they gave her a

date of birth and the point I'm trying

to get I promise to you is

that when you testify

and the prosecutor should tell you

there's not going to be any testimony of

you

trying to tell the jury that the woman I

thought she was a child what I'm telling

you is

x-rays don't lie

your growth plates are not open sir

what does Mark do you understand that we

can't talk about that at trial right

so I'm to refer to her as an adult

person

so we're not really interested in truth

what we're interested in is what was

legally put out there I don't appreciate

you saying that we're not interested in

the truth

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in the truth

birthday doctor is September 4th 1989.

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we are at the attorney's office and it

is game time

we're here for court prep uh we have my

three attorneys waiting on the fourth

floor uh for us to go in and figure out

exactly what the game plan is

thank you I wish I could tell you what

comes after trial

I have zero idea or control of what my

life will hold what my future will be

like

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I'm gonna go upstairs you're gonna see

I've got three full-time attorneys

working on this case and only this case

24 7.

got Riley Riley's a new attorney on the

case

the new kid

a sharp he's skilled he's bringing in

something a little extra that we hadn't

seen before

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just got

hence his call to help the jury

understand and see plainly and clearly

the lies may I get to the leader got my

attorney and savior tennis Canard on my

side let's do this Terence and I really

got close he truly feels like family he

feels like a friend 100 behind you I

absolutely believe you're innocent I

don't tell you this because you already

know the stakes are high he can't break

this neither can I these men have

dedicated their lives to saving me

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I'm up against the impossible but I can

do it

the state of Indiana versus Michael

Barnett

this trial is about you we're not

defending Christine Barnett so no part

of our case will we attempt to uh pave

the road for her

not use the name Christine in trial

well we know their overall message is

going to be abandoned

production

in this case you know it's kind of crazy

because everybody's expecting this to be

about this crazy adoption but it's not

in this case is around

education of neglect if the jury looks

at an Italian her physical stature

they'll know she's an adult

as an adult they say they say but how

can parents leave someone so tiny by

themselves

and if the jury believes that one thing

they can find that you abandon a person

that that's in need they can convict

here's the dealer

can't use the word adult

I don't know why I can't use the word

Channel but we don't want to use the

word child

Italian

29 year old daughter Dad look at these

fake graduates man they impressed me yes

we're gonna say did you abandon your 22

year old daughter right that's that's

going to be the phrase she's not a child

she's an adult without using the phrase

in terms of like an ideal jury I know

it's hard to predict what I'm looking

for people that like me

oh that's hard

uh ideal jury I would want

educated middle class jurors

so you're going to have a very

conservative mix and you want to be

relatable person there yes sir your

facial expression and demeanor

smile

a little less there you go ahead and

don't over express yourself because it

can come off as weird or creepy or

detached so as I'm sitting there facial

expression wise so obviously not a super

happy smile on that

can be chord

um it's also not

mad I'm not upset it's just the truth of

the matter I'm an innocent person being

reviewed and judged so yeah and

Ellen in the room

whether or not Michael's taking the

stand

all that's going to depend on what we

need to get out that's not there

this is

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articles

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honestly

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lawyers

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thank you

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