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Stand by two, mix through, cue on two.
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The BBC's announced the appointment of
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ex Head Of Olympic Delivery, Ian Fletcher, as its new Head Of Values.
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Time now for the shipping forecast.
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Superimpose.
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Move Panorama to Twitter?
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Right, OK
- Yes, no, brilliant.
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Blimey, how's that going to work?
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It's Monday morning at the BBC's New Broadcasting House headquarters,
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and Head of Values, Ian Fletcher,
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is chairing another meeting of the renewal group.
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I think this might be a good time to remind ourselves what this is
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actually about.
- Oh, yes, please sir.
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Brilliant.
- Right.
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So, essentially, this DCMS thing...
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Following a broadly successful visit to New Broadcasting House
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by a delegation from the Department Of Culture, Media And Also Sport,
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Ian has been tasked with the opportunity to represent the BBC
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in what will be, in one way or another,
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a decisive series of meetings at Westminster,
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as it negotiates the renewal of its Royal Charter,
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and therefore, its permission to exist.
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..to really set out our stall at the start of the process.
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Hurrah!
- Yeah, great.
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And maybe even a chance to set the tone of the whole conversation
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by being really confident about our aspirations for the future up front.
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Christ!
- With this in mind, the BBC has recently launched its
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high profile More Of Less initiative, as a flagship policy
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designed to demonstrate that they understand what they're doing.
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I mean, for what it's worth, the mood music at breakfast
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with Tony these days is all about ways of showing that we get it.
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Right.
- Breakfast with Tony?
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No, I mean, really, these days, it's just a matter of a bit of
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kiwi fruit and some frankly rather tired looking almond croissants.
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Jesus!
- Yes. - I mean, isn't it? - Yes, exactly, yes.
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Right.
- Sorry, can I just ask? I mean, this probably isn't my... - No.
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..but when you say, "Get it..."
- Yes.
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..get what, exactly?
- Oh, yes, no, brilliant, Lucy.
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I mean, I might be being stupid...
- Yes, exactly.
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No, the fact is, this is about establishing
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what we do most of best and finding fewer ways of doing more of it less.
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Right.
- Yes. - Yes. - Brilliant. - Yeah, bollocks.
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So, what is this, Jerry? This is...?
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Ben.
- So what is this, Ben?
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Yeah, I mean, listen, I don't know how this stuff works, but, er..
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With Ian's first trip to Westminster due next week,
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it's become clear that Ben has been invited to have some thoughts about
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what More Of Less might look like in his new role
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as someone about to apply for the same job as Jerry.
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These are basically just some squeaky toys to push around
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the floor, Ben, aren't they?
- Yep. - Right. - Squeaky toys? - Yep.
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Ugh!
- Yes, now, feel free to ignore them.
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Right, well...
- OK, fine, done. - Yep.
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Oh, I dunno, erm... Gardening?
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Gardening?!
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I mean, would anybody miss that if we didn't do it?
- I would!
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Yes, I mean...
- No. - ..surely if isn't it more...?
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No, I'm sorry. No, the fact is that's not the point.
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In fact, can we close that for the moment?
- Yes.
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If that's all right, Ben?
- Sure.
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Yes, of course, yes, no, very good.
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Yes, cos I'm sorry, guys, I AM going to say this -
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as a woman, I have got a bit of a soft spot for Monty Don.
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Really?
- Brilliant.
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Really?!
- Yes, no, who hasn't?
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I've got to say, I would miss him.
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And I know there are a lot of other women out there like me.
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Yes. I mean, obviously I'm grateful to Ben for all the...
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thing that you've put into this.
- Oh, no, really. - Hey...
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..but we seem to have got off on the wrong foot here somehow.
- Yes.
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And the idea of us spending our energy on actively looking
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for things not to do...
- I agree completely.
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..I mean, that is absolutely not what renewal is about.
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Yes, no, very good.
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No, the challenge is to... Hang on, what's this?
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Ah, now, yes.
- Another squeaky toy, presumably?
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Yep.
- Yes, no, brilliant.
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Orchestras?
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Right.
- Orchestras, yep.
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Yes, well, six is probably the perfect number to have
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in life anyway, so...
- Well, that's...
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So, let's not...
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I think that's a different...
- Yes. - Six?
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It's becoming clear to Ian that so crucial is the More Of Less
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initiative deemed to be for the future of the BBC,
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that Jerry has also been invited
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to have some thoughts about how it might work in his new role
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as someone about to apply for the same job as Ben.
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The BBC Celtic "Symphonieta"?
- Yep. - Right. - Yeah.
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Isn't that a bit...?
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Yeah, a bit crap, yeah.
- Well, no. - Yes.
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It just I'm not sure that's how you spell Sinfonietta, anyway, is it?
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No, it's not, no.
- No.
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Really?
- No, it is bloody not.
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After a, for him, unusually intense period of research,
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Jerry has discovered that the BBC currently operates
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a total of six major orchestras, and has been looking at ways
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of reimagining them as a smaller number of minor orchestras.
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I remember being taken to see the Welsh Symphony Orchestra,
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as it was then, in St David's Hall, Cardiff, when I was 12.
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Right.
- Really? - Apart from the musical experience,
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which I've got to say was Vaughn Williams,
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for me, it was the first time I'd seen more than 30 people
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in any kind of room at the same time.
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Yes, well, that's...
- Brilliant.
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For me, as a young woman growing up in Wales, it was seminal.
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Right.
- That's when I knew I had to get out.
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Yes, I mean...
- Hurrah!
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OK, a couple of things just to throw in at this point.
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Brilliant.
- Yeah. - Can I just say, I'm with you on this, Ian.
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Good, well, that's... Although I haven't said it yet.
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No, I know, I'm just saying.
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No, I think I should probably say now that this isn't something
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I feel comfortable taking to the DCM And Also S next week.
- No.
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I'm not going to be the guy responsible for axing four major
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BBC Orchestras and instigating the launch of the
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BBC Celtic "Symphonieta," however you spell it.
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Yes, no, very good.
- I don't see that as my role as Head Of Values.
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Yes, no, fabulous, Ian, very clear.
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No, just give it...
- No, get off, it's mine.
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Yes.
- Yes, no, come on, boys, nice big voice.
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- This is me on my bike.
- This is me on my bike.
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This is me on my bike.
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Yeah, hey, this is me on my bike.
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This is me on my bike.
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Meanwhile, across town at Fun Media, Siobhan has asked her team
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to gather together and have ideas about using the Cycle Shorts video
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sent over to them by Director Of Better, Anna Rampton, as a
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possible trail for the launch of the BBC's new online platform, BBC Me.
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OK.
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This is me on my bike.
- This is me on my bike!
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OK, OK, it's done now, shut up.
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So, what are we thinking here, guys?
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In many ways, it's a perfect example of exactly the sort of
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selfie-centred content that will lie at the heart of the new channel,
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and that may well be the model for how television will work
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in a world where no-one watches it any more.
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Plus, when it comes to the actual launch, you can have it playing on,
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like, on a permanent loop on a really big screen like a whole wall.
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Like, maybe if it was in, like, black and white?
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Sure.
- Yeah, cool, black and white, yeah.
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Yeah, maybe, like, both.
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OK, this is so not happening.
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We have got one chance to get this launch gig right, OK?
- Yep. - Sure.
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We get it wrong, we're eating shit soup with no chopsticks here, right?
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Yeah.
- OK, so what you do is, like, you theme the whole event.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, so, maybe, like, everyone's wearing cycling shorts.
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Yeah.
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Ew.
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OK, so everybody has to have a bike.
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Like, if you don't have a bike, you can't come in.
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Yeah, so maybe you have it somewhere you can only get to by bike.
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Yeah!
- OK, like where? - I don't know, maybe more like...
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Yeah, France!
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- OK, Michael, what are you thinking here?
- Sure.
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What have you got upside your head?
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OK, cool, do you want to go fuzzy felt on this?
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Actually, I don't need that.
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So, we don't need the bike.
- Say what?
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Lose it.
- Lose it?
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So actually, the cool part of this is freeing the selfie rights,
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so we don't need the bike at all.
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Even though Michael brings several years' experience with him
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from the Fun Media office in New York,
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it's become clear that in many ways, he's actually younger than
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the rest of the team put together.
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..so you set up, like, a YouTube channel.
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Like, you could do it, like, now, right?
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And people upload themselves saying "Me," like just saying the word,
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"Me," like, right into their phones, like a super selfie, whoever they
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are, wherever they are, right now. So, like, anyone can add to it,
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right? So, like, it goes viral, right?
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So, like, already you've got zillions of people already,
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it's, like, a huge thing, like, even before the BBC launch,
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you got like, pretty much the whole world saying, "Me".
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Which could be pretty cool, right?
- Holy shit.
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So then maybe for the launch, like, you edit it, right?
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So, like, you get some cool music,
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and maybe the strapline could be, like, "BBC Me - it's you".
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Which actually could be cool.
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Yeah.
- Yeah. - Yeah.
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George!
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# Get ready, everybody, cos here we go
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# S Club...
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♪ There ain't no party like an S Club party... ♪
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Meanwhile, back in Renewal, one of either Ben or Jerry
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has noticed that there is a BBC orchestra on the original
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list of six that no-one has so far mentioned.
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They sound really rather fabulous, don't they?
- Yep. - Yep.
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Do they?
- Yes, all right.
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Originally the BBC Light Fun Orchestra, the BBC Swing Band
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started life in 1927, and has had incarnations as
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the BBC Home Service Dance Band and the Radio 2 Big Swingers Ensemble
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in its nearly 80-year history.
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Yes, no, can you stop that now, please?
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Brilliant.
- Yes, can you stop that now, please? - Yep.
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Yes, I mean, it's an interesting one, isn't it?
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Is it?
- Yes, exactly, yes.
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Maybe it's because there's been a lot happening
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in the world recently, but hands up who knew we had a big swing band.
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Yes, well...
- Yes, no, the fact is we have.
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OK, so what are we going to do with that?
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We going to make it smaller, are we?
- Brilliant.
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The BBC Little Swing Band.
- Brilliant. - Brilliant.
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I mean, just out of interest, guys,
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do we know what their natural constituency is?
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Their natural constituency?
- Yes, exactly.
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Yeah.
- Yep. - I mean, I don't know much about their natural constituency...
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No, exactly.
- ..but now I think about it, I think my grandparents actually
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used to listen to them on the World Service.
- Really? - Yes, cos..
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Yeah, no, the fact is this is not about the World Service.
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No, no...
- It's not about grandparents. - No, I just...
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The fact is, orchestras is something that we currently do well.
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Hurrah!
- In the end, this is about finding more ways of doing
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less of what we currently do better.
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Well...
- About finding better ways...
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Finding fewer.
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Fuck's sake.
- Yes, no, brilliant, listen, I completely
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get your concerns around this values thing, Ian.
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Do you?
- Yes, completely. - Completely. - Yep. - Yes, exactly.
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I mean, you'll know how you want to feel about this. I have no idea
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how this thing works, but I don't know, are we in an area here...?
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Yes.
- ..where we can make some kind of positive statement of intent?
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Yes, exactly.
- Positive statement of intent?
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All right, OK.
- You know, maybe without
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quite so much collateral damage as we might get in some other...
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Yes, exactly, yes.
- "Collateral damage"?
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No offence to your grandparents, obviously, Lucy.
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No, exactly.
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This is BBC News. These are the top stories developing at 11 -
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President Trump promises a big day on national security,
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saying "We will build the wall along the border with Mexico".
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Yeah, so, basically, we're pretty pleased with it.
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Yeah, are you?
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A high-ranking North Korean diplomat has told the BBC
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he believes Kim Jong-un would be prepared to use nuclear weapons.
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It's another day, and Head Of News
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And Current Affairs, Neil Read, is down in the in-house IT solutions
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control centre with Senior Technical Services Choreographer, Adam Brady.
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So its been live for 24 hours now, and basically we're looking at
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93% accuracy.
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A new version of the BBC's state of the art in house Syncopatico
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operating system has just gone live, including a major upgrade
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of its Syncopaticaption automatic live subtitling software.
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..which means that it's actually faster from brain to ear
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than the human eye can detect.
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Yeah, great, so with the 93% accuracy...
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Yeah, OK, so with 1.9, we never got past 90%.
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Even on good days.
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So, basically, we're ahead of the game here already.
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Yeah, great, so can we talk about the other 7%?
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Although Syncopaticaption 2.0 is already out-subtitling
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its predecessors in many areas, the area where it's least accurate
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is that of proper names.
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..like Tweezer May, for instance.
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phonetically, that's actually pretty close.
- Yeah, but politically,
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and in every other way except phonetically, it's a disaster.
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Or worse still, Vladimir Puking.
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Yeah, the problem we've got, Adam -
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proper names are, like, a key component of world news.
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Yeah.
- Now, I don't understand statistics, but you could say
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they're the most important 7%.
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And that's the 7% that we're getting wrong.
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No, not always, no, but enough.
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Like I say, we're 24 hours in, but once it's learned a new name,
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in theory, it will never forget it again.
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Yeah.
- It actually can't.
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The thing is, Adam, and again, I don't understand the technicalities
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of this, but as far as I can see, what's happening is
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it's getting names wrong, and then its remembering that wrong version,
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and repeating it without fail.
- Yeah, so the good thing about that is
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once you've got a problem flagged, we can predict with absolute
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certainty when it's going to happen again.
- Yeah, exactly, and that's why
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we're all dreading the next story about Russia.
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Yeah, although, to be fair, things have been a bit quieter
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with Russia in the last week or so.
- Well, yeah...
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So, to me, that's, like, a positive already.
- What?
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Me.
- Me. - Me.
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Me.
- Me.
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Me.
- Me.
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So, this is, like, a try-out we did.
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And this is, like, some fun guys and a bunch of other people,
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I don't know who they are.
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Meanwhile, elsewhere in the building, Siobhan has come over to
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report back to Head Of Output, Matt Tavener, on Fun Media's
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creative response to the Cycle Shorts idea,
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after Anna Rampton had forwarded it to them
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after David Wilks had sent her the link after Jack Patterson
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had adapted it from On Your Bike after Izzy Gould had developed it
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after Will Humphreys had come to her with the idea originally.
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Can I just say, was that just you again there, Siobhan?
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Sure was.
- Thought so. - Now, watch out,
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I'm coming up again in a minute.
- No, cos do you know what?
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For a minute there..
- Shut up, here I come.
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Me. Me.
- Right, yes. - So fun. - Yes.
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Fun's brainwave is to use the idea to create an interactive online
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trail ahead of the launch of the BBC's new online platform, BBC Me.
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That's it, OK?
- Sure. - Yeah. - "BBC Me, it's you".
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I'm sure that's great, Siobhan, so this..
- Hi.
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Hey, Izzy.
- Sorry I'm a bit late, I was just...
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No, sure, great you could make it.
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Yes.
- Thanks. - Lovely Izzy.
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So Siobhan's just been showing us
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a rough of where they are up to with things.
- OK. - Yes.
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Genius.
- Basically, it's...
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OK. so I'm going to play it again.
- Well, no, that's... - OK, here we go.
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Given her loyalty to Will's original concept for On Your Bike,
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and given what's happened to it since, Izzy has been uncertain
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about whether to come to the meeting or not.
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But she has.
- Me.
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So that's it again.
- OK. OK. - Sure. - Do you want to see it...?
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No, sure, that's great. So this will be like a YouTube thing.
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Excuse me?
- Well... - A thing?
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Well...
- Everybody's got a phone. Everyone's a me.
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Right?
- Right. - So we go live with this thing before the launch.
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Like now, right? So we get a few super mes involved
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right at the get go. It's like, "Oh, my God", OK?
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Oh, my God!
- So this trend is leaving town today. Be on it.
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No, sure, that's great Siobhan.
- Super mes?
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Erm, OK, no, sure. So, like, Taylor Swift does a me, right?
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You're pretty much drowning in retweets right away.
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Right.
- Sure. - Yeah, it's like you're living in a world of mes.
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Oh, my God.
- Pretty soon, you done break the internet.
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Sure, I love where you've gone with this, Siobhan.
- Sure. - Genius.
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- So, sorry, cos I'm just catching up,
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so with the Cycling Shorts idea, Siobhan...
- Yes.
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Excuse me?
- You've just gone past that as an idea, have you?
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OK, here's the thing with this, this is BBC Me we're launching,
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not BBC Bike.
- Right. - Sure. - OK.
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OK, like lose the bike. Like, what even is that? Get rid of it.
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No, sure.
- And the free the selfie idea? - I'm sorry? - Free the selfie!
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- Yeah, cos I have to say I was never really sure about that.
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No, do you know what, that's really interesting, Izzy.
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So, I don't know if this is any use, I don't know about Taylor Swift,
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but we get quite a lot of people coming in and out
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of here every day.
- Sure. - OK. - Would it be an idea to maybe just have
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someone, like, down in reception with a phone every day?
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No, sure.
- Holy shit!
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Cos, I mean, you never know, it'll only be a few moments of their time,
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who knows who we might get.
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Great.
- George! - What?
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OK, cool.
- Right OK. - Genius.
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That's great, Izzy, thanks.
- Yeah, thanks.
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Anna! Anna! Anna!
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Eventually, it's the end of another day.
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But fortunately for Senior Communications Officer
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Tracy Pritchard, Anna Rampton hasn't quite made it
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out of the building yet.
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Anna!
- Yes, hi.
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I'm glad I've caught you. I was worried
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I was going to run out of road for a minute.
- Yes.
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I don't know if you saw my e-mail?
- Your e-mail?
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This thing with the big swing band.
- Yes, exactly.
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Rumours have somehow started to appear on the BBC Betterness
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Twitter feed that the BBC is planning to reimagine
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its big swing band as terminally un-swung.
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..so we are starting to take incoming on it already.
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Right, incoming.
- I've already had to get heavy with some 14-year-old
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from the Buzzfeed who's tone I didn't appreciate.
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And, as far as I can work out, this is basically your thing.
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Yes, exactly, yes.
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The fact is this is about identifying what
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we do most of best and finding fewer ways of doing more of it less.
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Right, OK.
- Yes.
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That's what you want me to say.
- Yes.
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OK, fine, if you're sure about that, Anna.
- Yes, exactly.
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Well, like I say, I'm glad I caught you.
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You probably won't believe this but I used to run
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the 400m hurdles at school.
- Yes, exactly, no.
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Meanwhile, it's a new day and it may only be 8 o'clock
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but down in reception Will Humphreys is already hard at work.
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He's been entrusted with the task of persuading some famous faces
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to take part in the new interactive online BBC Me Super Selfie campaign.
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Yeah, hi, yeah.
- Hi.
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Yeah, hi. Yeah, so, I'm Will.
- Hi, Will.
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Yeah, so, how are you?
- How am I?
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Yeah.
- I'm good, thanks. - Cool.
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Yeah, I'm good.
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Yeah, so, yeah, I'm doing this thing for BBC Me.
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BBC Me?
- Yeah. - What the hell is that?
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Yeah, I know, yeah, so could you like say "Me" into this?
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Say "you"?
- Yeah, what? - You want me to say you?
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Yeah, no, "Me."
- Sorry?
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Like... "Me."
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Except not "me". "You."
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You know, Will, there's a part of me that would like to help you...
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I know, yeah, me too.
- But I just don't think I can.
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OK, cool.
- Sorry. - No worries.
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But, you know, hey, good luck.
- Yeah, no worries, yeah, cool.
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No, of course. As I say, I've no idea where that's come from.
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And as far as I'm aware, it's probably...it's almost certainly
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just a rumour. So, you know?
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Erm... But, no, in the meantime we're obviously very aware...
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Meanwhile, Lucy has found time to go down to the so-called media cafe
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to have some breakfast whilst talking on her phone.
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OK. Well, look, thanks for getting in touch with me
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and, as I say, I'll do what I can just to clarify the situation
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and then I'll get back to you as soon as...
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Yes, OK. bye. Bye.
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Right.
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Hi.
- Hi.
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Everything OK?
- Erm, yeah, no. Actually have you got a minute?
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Yes, of course, yes.
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Where the hell did she get that from?
- I know.
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I don't know. Someone told her they'd seen something on Twitter,
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or... Yes, I know.
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Lucy has been contacted by someone called Donna Fredricks,
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who turns out to be the daughter, for the moment anyway,
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of the leader of the BBC Big Swing Band.
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I mean, I think she's like his manager or something
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as well as his daughter.
- Also, you know why you? - Yes.
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What have you got to do with it?
- So she posted a message
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in the inclusivity feeling space and it got forwarded to me.
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Inclusivity feeling space?
- OK, here we go. So this is him.
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Right, OK.
- He's 74, he's been leader of the band for like forever.
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Right, God.
- Yes, I know.
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And suddenly she's like asking me flat out if we're axing it.
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Right, yes.
- It's like, what am I supposed to say? - No.
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I mean are we axing it?
- Well, I mean not unless.. - Cos also...
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God, there's an also?
- So, apparently,
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it's his 75th birthday coming up.
- Oh...
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They're rehearsing a special concert to celebrate as we speak.
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Great, that's pretty much a full house then, isn't it?
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This is him with the band.
- Right! Looks like he's having a nice time.
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Yes.
- At the risk of sounding like Tracy Pritchard,
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I've got a bad feeling about this.
- I know.
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I mean, thank God we haven't made a decision yet.
- Yes.
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Cos that would be...
- We haven't made a decision?
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Well, no. I mean, have we?
- Well, I didn't think so.
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Well, I mean, not unless someone...
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Right, good.
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So this is obviously a screen grab.
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Yep.
- 10:05 this morning, by the looks of it. - Yeah, whatever.
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So the thing is we didn't actually notice it when it went out live.
- No.
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Meanwhile, current Head of News and Current Affairs, Neil Reid, is
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having another in a series of increasingly ongoing conversations
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with the BBC's chief technical services choreographer, Adam Brady.
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I mean, Dame Baggy Smith, for Christ's sake!
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Yeah, I know.
- I mean, whatever you think of actors,
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this is one of the most respected ones of our generation.
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Yeah, she's great, isn't she?
- She's 82, she's a dame,
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for Christ's sake, she's a national treasure.
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And she's now someone, and I say this as someone who's just spent
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the last ten minutes being shouted at by her agent,
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she's now someone who's never going to work for the BBC again.
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OK, so what's happened is, that someone's obviously taken this
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and posted it on Twitter.
- Yes. - Presumably as some kind of joke.
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Yes, I can see what's happened!
- I mean, I suppose in a way,
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you can't actually blame them.
- Well, I don't blame them, Adam,
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00:20:46,770 --> 00:20:49,220
I blame you!
- Yeah, yeah. - So, anyway, once you figure out
452
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:50,440
how to fix it, let's just go back
453
00:20:50,540 --> 00:20:53,580
to good old 1.9 for a bit shall we?
- Yeah... - What?
454
00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,620
So the thing with 1.9, it's no longer compatible
455
00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:56,960
with Syncopatico Rolling Thunder.
456
00:20:57,060 --> 00:20:59,860
Great, OK, well, let's just turn the fucking thing off all together.
457
00:20:59,960 --> 00:21:01,760
Well, with that, Neil, we immediately run the risk
458
00:21:01,860 --> 00:21:04,460
of alienating the blind community.
- Yeah. - Which, I dunno about you
459
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:05,600
but I'm not comfortable with.
460
00:21:05,700 --> 00:21:08,660
Deaf.
- What? - Deaf! - Yeah, deaf, yeah, deaf. Obviously. - God!
461
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,760
Sorry.
- Fucking hell!
462
00:21:10,860 --> 00:21:12,760
Ian.
- Yes, hello, yes.
463
00:21:12,860 --> 00:21:14,920
Yes, hello. Good to meet you.
- Yes, you too.
464
00:21:15,020 --> 00:21:18,140
Meanwhile, Ian has made the journey to Westminster for his crucial
465
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,860
first charter renewal meeting at the Department Of Culture,
466
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:22,560
Media And Also Sport.
467
00:21:22,660 --> 00:21:24,870
Fiona is just running a few minutes late, I'm afraid.
- OK.
468
00:21:24,970 --> 00:21:27,025
But if you're happy just to take a seat?
- Of course. Yes.
469
00:21:27,125 --> 00:21:29,080
Can I get you a coffee or...?
- No, I'm fine. Thanks.
470
00:21:29,180 --> 00:21:32,060
Your colleague's already here.
- Oh, good, well, that... My colleague?
471
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:33,440
She's been here a while, actually.
472
00:21:33,540 --> 00:21:35,840
As the first of what could be literally who knows how many
473
00:21:35,940 --> 00:21:39,600
such meetings to come, it's vital that it gets off to a smooth start.
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00:21:39,700 --> 00:21:42,380
Anna.
- Yes, hi yes. - So is this...? Are you...? - Yes, exactly, yes.
475
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,960
Right, I mean, don't take this the wrong way, I mean, it's always
476
00:21:45,060 --> 00:21:47,780
nice to see you, obviously.
- Yes. - But I have to say, I didn't realise
477
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you were going to be here for this.
- Yes. - Right.
478
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,180
The fact is I came in a taxi.
479
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,380
Right. Yes, me too.
480
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,580
Yes. Exactly, yes.
481
00:22:02,220 --> 00:22:05,650
With Fiona Craig running slightly late, Ian and Anna have got
482
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some time to sit next to each other in the waiting room and wait.
483
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'..and here with us now are the leader of the BBC Big Swing Band
484
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,840
'himself Ray Fredericks and his daughter Donna.
485
00:22:23,940 --> 00:22:26,380
'Yes, and Donna, I think this is actually a picture of them
486
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,020
'rehearsing for that 75th birthday concert.'
487
00:22:29,120 --> 00:22:30,960
'Yes, that was last week, yes.'
488
00:22:31,060 --> 00:22:33,640
'So, Ray, for you, all these rumours around closure,
489
00:22:33,740 --> 00:22:36,990
'it's gotta be really upsetting for you and for everyone, really.'
490
00:22:37,090 --> 00:22:40,340
'At first we thought it was a joke.
- Hey, that's life, I guess.
491
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:41,900
'That's showbusiness.'
492
00:22:48,020 --> 00:22:50,320
Meanwhile, back in New Broadcasting House reception,
493
00:22:50,420 --> 00:22:54,340
Will has spotted a new potential target.
- Well, yeah, hi, yeah.
494
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,300
Hi.
- Yeah, so can you... - No. - OK.
495
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,340
Sorry.
- OK, cool.
496
00:23:03,820 --> 00:23:06,410
Will!
- Oh, yeah, hey, Izzy. Hi. - How's it going?
497
00:23:06,510 --> 00:23:09,100
Yeah, no worries, yeah, pretty cool.
- Any luck?
498
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,320
What, you mean, like so far?
- Yes.
499
00:23:11,420 --> 00:23:13,880
I dunno, there was like this one guy who looked like the guy
500
00:23:13,980 --> 00:23:16,340
with Pudsey the Bear.
- Pudsey the Bear? - Yeah. - Terry Wogan?
501
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:17,720
Yeah, Terry Wogan, yeah.
- Right.
502
00:23:17,820 --> 00:23:20,660
I asked him and he wasn't...
- But Terry Wogan's dead surely.
503
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,800
Yeah, no, yeah that's what he said, yeah.
- Right.
504
00:23:22,900 --> 00:23:24,930
I mean you don't have to be down here all the time, Will.
505
00:23:25,030 --> 00:23:27,055
Yeah, no worries, yeah, I don't mind.
- It would be so
506
00:23:27,155 --> 00:23:29,717
cool if you ended up getting a couple of really big names.
507
00:23:29,817 --> 00:23:32,280
Yeah.
- Apparently, er, Lenny Henry was in this morning.
508
00:23:32,380 --> 00:23:35,620
Yeah.
- It'd be... - No way! - It'd be great if you could get him.
509
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,140
Yeah, I know, yeah me, too.
510
00:23:39,020 --> 00:23:40,840
'So, at what point did you first find out?
511
00:23:40,940 --> 00:23:43,280
'When did you hear?
- No-one's said anything to us. - No.
512
00:23:43,380 --> 00:23:45,860
'No-one's told us anything, have they?
- I don't believe so,
513
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,680
'I guess not.'
- Back over at the DCM and also S,
514
00:23:48,780 --> 00:23:52,100
it's becoming clear that despite the importance of the BBC not dropping
515
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,940
a ball of any size on this morning of all mornings, it's managed
516
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,780
to drop a potentially really big one live on its own breakfast show.
517
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:01,560
'Every day he comes in.
518
00:24:01,660 --> 00:24:04,280
'He gets up in front of the band, he's 27 again.
519
00:24:04,380 --> 00:24:07,860
'You can see it happening. He's like a father to those guys.
520
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,160
'He literally is a father to me.
521
00:24:10,260 --> 00:24:12,800
'You know, it's like, what more do they want?'
522
00:24:12,900 --> 00:24:16,460
Right, OK.
- Yes. - So I don't understand quite how this happ...
523
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,040
Hello.
- Yes. Hi. - Yes. - Welcome. - Yes, exactly.
524
00:24:19,140 --> 00:24:22,280
But before they know it, it's time to stand up and be met
525
00:24:22,380 --> 00:24:25,390
by the DCM and also S's executive media director, Fiona Craig.
526
00:24:25,490 --> 00:24:28,500
Don't like to boast, but I have a TV of my own in my office.
527
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,720
Shall we watch it in there?
- Yes. - Yes. No, yes.
528
00:24:31,820 --> 00:24:34,860
They're to be joined once again for the meeting by two further DCM
529
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:36,400
and S junior people.
530
00:24:36,500 --> 00:24:39,180
I'm sure you won't remember Chloe and Zoe but this is them again.
531
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,040
Yes, of course, hi.
- Hi. - Yes, hi.
532
00:24:41,140 --> 00:24:43,560
Yes, exactly.
- With the introductions over,
533
00:24:43,660 --> 00:24:47,540
perhaps not surprisingly the first item on the agenda is pleasantries.
534
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,280
If there's anything you can do personally to make EastEnders
535
00:24:50,380 --> 00:24:53,020
any less depressing, I strongly advise you to think about it.
536
00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:54,200
Right.
- Yes. - Yes. - Yes.
537
00:24:54,300 --> 00:24:57,220
Probably thinking that's a joke, Ian.
- Well... - It's not. - Right. No.
538
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,460
No.
- Yes. - For Ian, getting off to a good start
539
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,880
in his first-ever meeting with the government
540
00:25:01,980 --> 00:25:05,260
in the charter renewal process hasn't been helped by the item
541
00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:07,880
on this morning's BBC Breakfast programme, about
542
00:25:07,980 --> 00:25:10,660
plans to axe the BBC Big Swing Band without telling them
543
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,100
as they rehearse for a special concert to mark
544
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,420
its leader's 75th birthday celebrations.
545
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,800
..Ray Fredericks in prime position on what
546
00:25:17,900 --> 00:25:20,080
I can really only call the BBC Breakfast sofa.
547
00:25:20,180 --> 00:25:22,820
Right, yes.
- So how should we think about that? - Yes. - Yes.
548
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,320
How should we think about it?
- Yes. - Uh-huh. - Yes.
549
00:25:25,420 --> 00:25:27,720
Well, I mean this is just, it's one of those genuinely...
550
00:25:27,820 --> 00:25:31,460
Yes.
- ..in the context of some very tough choices. This is...
551
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:32,960
Exactly, yes. Tough choices, yes.
552
00:25:33,060 --> 00:25:35,980
This is something we found ourselves looking at, isn't it, Anna?
553
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:37,440
Yes, exactly. Yes.
554
00:25:37,540 --> 00:25:40,360
I mean, obviously in an ideal world...
- Well, now, let's not do
555
00:25:40,460 --> 00:25:43,740
ideal worlds, Ian, shall we?
- No. - That way madness lies. - Yes.
556
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,260
But what I would say about this, I mean to me, I'm an agnostic
557
00:25:46,360 --> 00:25:47,200
when it comes to music.
558
00:25:47,300 --> 00:25:49,400
It's nothing to me what tune you dance to,
559
00:25:49,500 --> 00:25:51,800
but what I would say, maybe a word to the wise,
560
00:25:51,900 --> 00:25:54,770
you do know that the minister himself is a keen trombonist.
561
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:57,740
Right.
- The he, the what? - Were you not aware of that?
562
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,720
A trombonist?
- I have to say I wondered.
563
00:25:59,820 --> 00:26:03,620
Right. When you say...
- So if I tell you he's got a picture
564
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,040
of Duke Ellington on the wall of his office, Ian...
565
00:26:07,140 --> 00:26:09,910
Right.
- The duke, the Ellington? - If I can just, forgive me Fiona,
566
00:26:10,010 --> 00:26:12,825
is this a joke?
- A joke? - Yes. - You can judge for yourself
567
00:26:12,925 --> 00:26:15,740
if you get here early enough. On some mornings, you can hear him
568
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,840
from outside on the street.
- Right. - Yes. - Yes.
569
00:26:17,940 --> 00:26:20,590
So what I'd say to you about that, Ian, is from your point of view,
570
00:26:20,690 --> 00:26:23,340
if it's a joke, it's not really a very funny one, is it?
- No.
571
00:26:29,540 --> 00:26:31,120
Yes, hi, Tracy, yes.
572
00:26:31,220 --> 00:26:33,140
Yes, I have, just now, yes.
573
00:26:34,140 --> 00:26:35,380
Yes, it is.
574
00:26:36,420 --> 00:26:37,910
Yes, I know.
575
00:26:38,010 --> 00:26:39,400
Yes, I have.
576
00:26:39,500 --> 00:26:42,080
As part of an explosion of reaction on social media
577
00:26:42,180 --> 00:26:45,610
following the big swing band item on BBC Breakfast earlier,
578
00:26:45,710 --> 00:26:49,140
Jules Holland, one of the BBC's biggest-living musical giants,
579
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,600
has tweeted that he will leave the BBC for good
580
00:26:51,700 --> 00:26:54,250
if the planned closure goes ahead. And, worse still,
581
00:26:54,350 --> 00:26:56,900
a lot of people with opinions have already liked that.
582
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,100
Yes, now Anna's here with me.
583
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,260
Yes. Well, but, anyway, she is.
584
00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:03,320
Overall, things are not going well.
585
00:27:03,420 --> 00:27:06,260
We'll see you shortly and in the meantime, let's all stay calm
586
00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:10,220
and try and visualise some positive outcomes here.
587
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,580
No, well, OK, but let's try anyway.
588
00:27:13,980 --> 00:27:16,140
Yes, fine, OK. Bye-bye.
589
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:17,720
Right, good.
590
00:27:17,820 --> 00:27:21,100
So there's an emergency damage limitation in Nadia Hussain
591
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,380
at 11 o'clock. Tony's suggestion.
592
00:27:25,700 --> 00:27:28,260
He's super calm apparently, but apparently someone heard him
593
00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:29,540
shouting in the toilet.
594
00:27:32,180 --> 00:27:34,720
So, anyway, yes, if you've got any bright ideas,
595
00:27:34,820 --> 00:27:37,270
I mean apart from asking the driver to drive us both to St Pancras,
596
00:27:37,370 --> 00:27:39,820
getting on a train and disappearing to the continent for a while.
597
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,000
I mean obviously the main... That was a joke by the way.
598
00:27:42,100 --> 00:27:46,060
Mm.
- Just in case you... - Mm. - Yeah. No, I mean the main thing now is to
599
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,700
before we, you know. Actually, are you OK, Anna?
600
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,500
Anna, are you all right?
601
00:27:53,380 --> 00:27:56,000
Right, OK, erm, actually can we just stop, please?
- What?
602
00:27:56,100 --> 00:27:59,060
Yeah, I think...
- Are you OK back there? - No, I think she's fine.
603
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,280
I think it's OK, she's just, you know...
604
00:28:01,380 --> 00:28:03,500
Ah, no, I think maybe we'd better stop.
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