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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:06,960 Obviously the danger is, if he's actively excluded from appearing 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:09,440 on Match Of The Day, that could read as an example of prejudice. 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:11,760 And, Ryan, I know you were less than impressed with 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:13,440 some of Southampton's defending. 5 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:15,520 - Yeah, I was Gary, yeah, I was. - Right. 6 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,680 I think we're at a point now where we can say with some confidence 7 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:20,040 that he is naturally crap. 8 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,200 - I've had some times in this, I have. - Too dull for Match Of The Day? 9 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:24,240 I mean, what is that? 10 00:00:24,240 --> 00:00:27,240 It's not even a shape, it's just like a pointy line. 11 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,600 - It's just something he's got in him. - Right, yes. - Right. 12 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:31,720 We are starting to take heavy incoming on this 13 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:33,000 in the press office already. 14 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:34,040 I'm sorry, but for me, 15 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,040 you're not going to win games at this level with pointy lines, Gary. 16 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,040 Stand by, two... Mix through, cue on two. 17 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,040 The BBC's announced the appointment 18 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,600 of ex-head of Olympic deliverance Ian Fletcher 19 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:56,000 as its new Head of Values. 20 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:04,320 Time now for the shipping forecast. 21 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:07,560 Superimpose. 22 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:18,760 NARRATOR: It's 8.30 in the morning 23 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,280 on another in a series of relentlessly big days 24 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,960 for the BBC at its New Broadcasting House central command centre 25 00:01:24,960 --> 00:01:26,080 in central London. 26 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:27,440 Ah, yes, hi, guys. 27 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:28,920 - Yep. - Yep. - Morning. 28 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:30,040 Yeah, hey, yeah. 29 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,160 Don't stand there, just come on in. 30 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,720 Have a seat. Er, no, listen, have two. 31 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:36,280 Make yourself at home. 32 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,080 This morning, Head of Strategic Governance Simon Harwood 33 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,680 has arrived to find people already waiting to see him. 34 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:43,960 It's very much the way things are going to be from now on. 35 00:01:43,960 --> 00:01:46,240 I don't know about you, but these days I'm just grateful 36 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,320 to have a bike to ride and some legs to ride it with. 37 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,520 As part of the BBC's major new More of Less initiative, 38 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,560 junior executives Ben and Jerry have discovered that they're going 39 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:58,080 to be given the opportunity to apply for their own jobs. 40 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,120 The total of which has been revised downwards going forward 41 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,200 from the current figure of two to a new total of one. 42 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,000 I mean, er, you're going to know how you'll want to feel about this 43 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,440 and I've no idea how these things work, but I don't know, 44 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,680 for what it's worth, erm, maybe if you were to think of yourselves 45 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:15,240 as either Ben or Jerry instead of Ben and Jerry going forward. 46 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:16,880 - Yep. - Uh-huh. 47 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:18,480 I mean, I dunno, does that help? 48 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,160 OK, but it's like what you guys have got to realise is... 49 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:23,360 No, I'm sorry, Siobhan. 50 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,880 - OK, it's like no-one has, like, agenda any more. - What?! 51 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,720 - Uh... - I mean, that's just like, what even is that? Just get over it. 52 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,680 - Brilliant. - By nine o'clock, the day's damage limitation meeting is 53 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:32,800 well under way. 54 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:34,880 Er, wait a moment. Where's it gone? 55 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,480 I had it a moment ago. Er, right, OK, erm, 56 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,320 "Just iPlayered Ryan Chelford on MOTD. 57 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,800 "OMG, fabulous, Claudia Winkleman with stubble. Keep it fluid. 58 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,920 "#FootballSexy #LGBTFuture." 59 00:02:46,920 --> 00:02:48,240 - Right. - Cool. 60 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,720 So that's a new one, then, is it, Lucy? I haven't seen that one. 61 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:52,000 - David Walliams. - Oh, right. 62 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,640 - David Walliams. - David Walliams, yeah. - Yes, that makes sense. 63 00:02:54,640 --> 00:02:57,560 It's always a packed programme, but top of the agenda by some way 64 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,880 this morning is the issue of ex-Premier League footballer 65 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,320 and would-be Match Of The Day pundit Ryan Chelford. 66 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,000 OK, right, here we go. 67 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,840 "WTF, BBC, I thought Robbie Savage was crap, 68 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:10,480 "but this guy's in a league of his own." 69 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,120 - Right. - "Doesn't matter what he wears, he's still going to be crap." 70 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:14,760 - OK. - "MOTD's shit anyway." 71 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:15,880 - Yes, so. - Brilliant. 72 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:17,680 - And then droopy face. - Yes, well. 73 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,560 And just out of interest, who is that, Tracy? 74 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:21,480 - That's actually Gary Lineker. - Oh, OK. 75 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,600 - Yes. - Right. - Gary Lineker, yep. - Interesting. - Gary Lineker, yep. 76 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,120 Since his trial appearance as a pundit on a midweek 77 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,440 Match Of The Day FA Cup Third Round Highlights package, 78 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,520 reaction on social media has been almost universally divided. 79 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,120 No, I mean, listen, you guys'll know how you want to handle this 80 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,760 and who knows quite which way Tony swings, football wise. 81 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:40,000 - No. - But for what it's worth, 82 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,080 I did snatch a quick macchiato moment with him this morning. 83 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,920 - Oh, right? - He's just back from a mindfulness weekend in Somerset, 84 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,000 which was apparently really rather wonderful. 85 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,760 - Right. - Oh... - No, but for what it's worth, his thought on this, what 86 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,560 with charter renewal and so forth, is that it might be rather smart to 87 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:56,200 get this whole thing sorted before the Fiona Craig visit next week. 88 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:57,640 - Well, yes. - Yes, because... 89 00:03:57,640 --> 00:03:58,840 Yes, exactly. 90 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,480 Next week, the very senior civil servant with responsibility 91 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,560 for charter renewal negotiations from the Department of Culture, 92 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,000 Media and for some reason also Sport, 93 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:08,680 is due to make an initial visit 94 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:12,880 to New Broadcasting House in order to see a normal morning at the BBC. 95 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:14,880 Just to say, before we go any further, 96 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,560 just to confirm everyone's OK with the change of date for that? 97 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,200 - Yep. - Yep. - Yes, thank you, Ian. - Er... - No, sure, I'm good with that. 98 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:21,240 Yes, exactly, yes. 99 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,680 It looks like she'll be with us from about 10 o'clock onwards. 100 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:25,360 - 10 o'clock. - 10 o'clock, yeah. - 10 o'clock. 101 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,600 - Yes, no, brilliant. Bring it on. - Change of date. - Yes. 102 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,360 - Yes, it's Tuesday now, Lucy. - Right. - Tuesday. - Tuesday. - Tuesday. 103 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:31,400 Why? Is that... 104 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,520 That's the morning Ryan Chelford's coming in, isn't it? 105 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:34,720 - Right. - Yes, it is, yes. 106 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:36,920 - Right. OK. - Coming in where? - Well, in here. - Here?! 107 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,360 - Yes. - Ah, no. - Great. - Why? - Perfect. 108 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:40,640 - Well, basically... - What for? 109 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,880 - We've asked him in to talk about the way forward. - Who has? - Well... - You have? 110 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,080 - Well, no... - The way forward? - Yes. - That can't happen. 111 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:47,440 Oh, bloody hell! 112 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,840 As the person responsible for liaising between the BBC 113 00:04:49,840 --> 00:04:52,560 and whoever the Minister for Culture, Media and also Sport 114 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,720 happens to be, it's crucial that everything goes smoothly on the day 115 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:59,320 of Fiona Craig's visit, regardless of how unusual that would be. 116 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,440 The thing is we've moved Ryan three times already. 117 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,440 - Well great, move him again. - Yes, exactly. 118 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,440 - He'll be getting the hang of it by now. - Cool. 119 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:07,640 The other way to look at this is, what she's expecting 120 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:11,000 - to see, what she's hoping for anyway, is basically a normal morning. - Brilliant. 121 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:12,320 - Normal? - Yes. - Christ. 122 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,280 Perhaps it would be good for her to be here when Ryan Chelford comes in. 123 00:05:15,280 --> 00:05:18,160 - Good. - After all, here we are, talking about how best to welcome 124 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,320 a cross-dressing presenter into the BBC Sport family. 125 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,960 - OK. Let's do this. - As long as we're clear about what our position is on this, obviously. 126 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:25,280 - Yes. - Right. - Brilliant. 127 00:05:25,280 --> 00:05:27,360 Yes, exactly. What is our position on it? 128 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:28,600 - Me? - Yes. 129 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:30,840 - Well, I mean no-one's really... - Oh, right, OK. 130 00:05:30,840 --> 00:05:32,960 - - Brilliant. - Great. - All right, OK, here we go. 131 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:36,440 This is me on my bike. 132 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,520 This is me on my bike. 133 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:40,280 This is me on my bike. 134 00:05:40,280 --> 00:05:41,520 Meanwhile elsewhere, 135 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,400 Jack has got something he's keen to show Izzy, David and Will. 136 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,640 - This is me on my bike. - This is me on my bike. 137 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:48,200 This is me on my bike. 138 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,800 He's been working on a short taster version of what would 139 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,960 otherwise have been Will's original idea for On Your Bike, 140 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,080 to show to Director of Better, Anna Rampton, as a potential 141 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:01,160 flagship show for soon to be launched new online platform BBC Me. 142 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,160 This is me on my bike! 143 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:11,720 - Anyway, so. - It's genius, Jack. 144 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:13,920 - It's 90 seconds. - It's like brilliance on wheels. 145 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,320 Or there's like a 70-second cut, which might be better. 146 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,640 - "Cycle Shorts." - Well, yeah, I dunno. 147 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,320 - "Cycle Shorts." - It felt a bit more now than On Your Bike somehow. 148 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,600 - Right. - "Free The Selfie." 149 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:25,240 - BBCme.com - Unbelievable. - What? 150 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:26,920 So what, you just went off and did this? 151 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,120 Well, yeah. I mean, not personally, obviously. 152 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:30,840 - But you... - I don't know anyone who owns a bike. 153 00:06:30,840 --> 00:06:32,960 You went off and did it, you didn't say anything... 154 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:34,680 - Hang on, Jesus, Will?! - What? 155 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:36,120 - Yeah. - That's you. 156 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:37,520 Yeah, no. Yeah, no. 157 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:41,840 Yeah, hey. This is me on my bike. 158 00:06:41,840 --> 00:06:44,320 But this is... I mean, what is going on here?! 159 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,640 - What's going on? - What's going on? Yeah. No. 160 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,360 I mean, is there perhaps a home for him 161 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,280 somewhere else in the world of BBC Sport? 162 00:06:55,280 --> 00:06:57,000 - OK, Strictly. - No. 163 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,520 - What? - It's got to be some kind of sport, Siobhan. 164 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:01,720 - Yes. - So how is that not a sport? 165 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,880 Given the strong reactions provoked by Ryan Chelford's Match 166 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,840 Of The Day appearance and given the complex and sensitive issues 167 00:07:07,840 --> 00:07:10,920 involved, the problem for the BBC is that they don't know what to do. 168 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,320 What we're looking for is something that isn't literally 169 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,760 Match Of The Day, but at the same time very much plays 170 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:17,600 to his strengths as... you know, as a presenter. 171 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:18,720 - Brilliant. Cool. - Right. 172 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,200 - What strengths? - Well... - He hasn't got any strengths, has he? 173 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,120 - OK, Celebrity Big Brother. - No. - It's perfect. 174 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,040 The fact is that's a Channel 4 show anyway. 175 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,000 - Well, it... - Channel 4, yep. - Yep, Channel 4. 176 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:28,240 - Channel 4. - Yep. - Yes, well... 177 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,080 - Actually, I think that's Channel 5 now, isn't it? - Yeah. Yep. - Yes, I think so. 178 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:32,840 - Channel 5, yeah. - Yes, exactly. - Channel 5. 179 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,440 - Channel 5, yeah. - Yes, we seem to have gone a bit off piste somehow. 180 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:39,360 - I totally have. - We really... - I mean, you want to be the best duck hunter, you go where the ducks are. 181 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,280 - Brilliant. - The ducks? - What?! - And you take the hoisin sauce with you. 182 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:43,680 - Brilliant. - Fuck's sake. 183 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:45,680 - I mean, this probably wouldn't work, but... - No. 184 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:47,840 but, what about something like A Question Of Sport? 185 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:49,440 - All right, OK. - A Question Of Sport. 186 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,080 - Well... - No, I'm sorry. - As I say, it's probably not... - Exactly. 187 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:53,480 - Well, no, hang on. - Hallelujah! 188 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,560 So, what is that? I don't even know what that is. 189 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,720 Well, it's one way of burying him forever for sure. 190 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:59,160 - It's like a quiz show, Siobhan. - OK. 191 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:00,360 But it's about sport. 192 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,000 - Oh, so, what, it's an actual show? - Yes, it's on every week with Sue... 193 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,480 Cool, no, no, sure. I get this, yeah. 194 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:06,880 - That's really interesting, isn't it? - We love quiz shows. 195 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,560 - You mean as a regular team captain? - No. - Well, I don't know. I... 196 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,560 No, I'm sorry, the fact is there already are two team captains for that show. 197 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:14,800 - Yeah. - Yes. - Yes, just remind me. 198 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,200 - Matt... - Matt Dawson and Phil Tufnell. - Matt Dawson and Phil Tufnell. - Yeah. 199 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,400 - Right, yes. - Matt Dawson and Phil Tufnell. 200 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:29,160 Despite Anna's reservations about Lucy's idea, there's a feeling 201 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,000 in the room that she may perhaps have put her finger on something. 202 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:33,440 - OK! - Cool. 203 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,840 - Alrighty! - Blimey. - Go, Ryan. 204 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:37,360 - Bloody genius. - Well done, Lucy. 205 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:38,840 - Yes. - Well, no. 206 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,240 - Yes, no, really, Lucy. Hurrah! - Yes, no, yes. 207 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,000 I mean, what were you doing, Will? 208 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:46,160 Yeah, what was I doing? 209 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,800 Meanwhile, back in elsewhere, it's become clear that in his role 210 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:52,320 in Betterness Development, Jack has selected Will as someone ideally 211 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,920 qualified to approach complete strangers with bikes and phones 212 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,880 and persuade them to film themselves saying, "This is me on my bike." 213 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:02,000 I mean, it's like he's actually using you to steal your own idea from you. 214 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:03,040 - Yeah. - No, I'm not. 215 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,240 - Yeah, crap, yeah. - Will was the only person I could think of who 216 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,440 - would know 30 other people who ride bikes. - Genius. 217 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,800 - So I asked him and he said yes. - Of course he said yes. 218 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,360 - Yeah, of course I did, yeah. - It's Will! - Yeah, no, correct, I'm Will. 219 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,480 I've been working on this, trying to get it off the ground for, like, ages. 220 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:17,840 - Well, yeah, exactly. - It's completely... What? 221 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,280 Anyway, can I just say, guys, the good news is, 222 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:21,640 Anna absolutely love it. 223 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:23,240 - Anna? - What? - I know. 224 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,080 - You showed this to Anna? - Whoa. 225 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:26,480 - Yes, I know, yes. - So, what, you... 226 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,320 No, cos what it was, I ran into Anna, like, in the lift 227 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,160 and can I just say, has anyone else noticed the perfume she's wearing? 228 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,040 - Her perfume? - Is it new? Is it just me? 229 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,360 - Yeah, anyway. - Yes, I know, yes, honestly, what am I like? 230 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,160 Anyway, we were just like chatting and well 231 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,720 I say chatting, it was me mostly, cos you know what she's like. 232 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:44,200 - She doesn't say much, does she? Whereas me, I just open my mouth, I've no idea what... - Yeah, OK. 233 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,240 Yes, so anyway, I promised that I would forward her the link to it 234 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,600 and, do you know what, by the time I got to Costa she'd come 235 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,600 straight back to me, cos the thing about Anna is, 236 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,600 she don't say much, but she don't muck about. 237 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,760 - She's like, "Oh, my God, David, genius." - Right, OK, 238 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:57,000 - Unbelievable. - I know. 239 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,840 I know, cos also, cos I haven't finished yet, OK, apparently she likes it 240 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:01,840 so much that she's, like, "Do you know what guys? 241 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:05,080 - You should be like using this as the online trail for the BBC Me launch. - Right. 242 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,160 So she sends it straight to Siobhan Sharpe at Fun Media for them to look at. 243 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:09,680 Siobhan Sharpe? Yes, I know. 244 00:10:09,680 --> 00:10:11,720 - Way, no way. - Anna sent this to Siobhan Sharpe? 245 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,600 I know, and apparently she's, like, Siobhan practically wet herself. 246 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:16,440 - I don't believe this. - I know. 247 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,280 - I do. - Yeah, unbelievable, yeah. 248 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,840 And do you know what? I'm like, guys, this is just outrageous. 249 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,360 - Yes. - Yes. - Yeah, no, mental, yeah. I dunno. 250 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:43,400 It's next Tuesday 251 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,600 and another big day ahead as Ian arrives for work. 252 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,160 This is the day when top civil servant 253 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,840 Fiona Craig from the Department of Culture, Media 254 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,920 and also Sport is due to arrive to see a normal morning at the BBC. 255 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,920 But already, things are starting to look anything but normal. 256 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:03,360 - Anna. - Yes, hi, yes. 257 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:04,480 You've got a bike? 258 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:05,680 Yes, exactly, yes. 259 00:11:05,680 --> 00:11:07,880 Well, I mean, what can I say? Congratulations. 260 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:09,280 Yes, no, yes. 261 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:13,080 Not only has Director of Better Anna Rampton apparently decided 262 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,440 to join Ian on two wheels, but, like him, 263 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,680 she's gone for wheels that are, theoretically at least, foldable if 264 00:11:18,680 --> 00:11:21,560 you were listening to the person in the shop who explained how to do it. 265 00:11:21,560 --> 00:11:24,000 I, I don't want to interfere, but do you want a hand with that? 266 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:28,040 - Yes. No, the fact is, like, yes. - Yeah, no, it's really simple once you get the hang of it. - Exactly. 267 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,760 For Ian, this is a chance to demonstrate a range of skills 268 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:34,240 acquired over many years of folding under all kinds of conditions, 269 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,000 whilst for Anna, this is a chance to stand quietly 270 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,040 and watch everything he does at close quarters. 271 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,080 - There you are. - Yes. - Yeah, it's really easy. 272 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,080 - Yes, thank you. - So now I've... No, no, that's... 273 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,560 - But now that I've done it, do you want me to undo it again so you can... - No. - No, right. 274 00:11:46,560 --> 00:11:48,440 No, the fact is I need to change my shoes. 275 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:49,560 Right, yes. OK, well. 276 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:52,520 - Oh, hi, Lucy. - Hi, yes. 277 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:53,640 Yes. 278 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:55,400 Er, Anna's just, er, joined the club. 279 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,640 - Yes, good. - Yes, exactly, yes. 280 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,560 - Who'd have thought it? - Yes. 281 00:11:59,560 --> 00:12:01,720 Yes, so you're all set for the Ryan Chelford 282 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:03,440 Yes. Really sorry, I've gotta go. 283 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:04,480 Yes. 284 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:08,440 Right. Great. 285 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,080 This is also a big day for Lucy Freeman in her role, 286 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,160 at least for the moment anyway, as Head of Inclusivity. 287 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:24,440 Hi, Ryan. 288 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,400 She's come outside to meet Ryan Chelford, 289 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,920 who has arrived at New Broadcasting House by parking 290 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,960 his Bentley Continental almost directly outside it. 291 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,200 - Lovely car. - Yeah, it's not bad, it does the job. 292 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:35,480 Do you know what I'm saying? 293 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:37,720 - How was your journey? - Yeah, no problem, yeah. 294 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,240 Came down last night, stayed with a mate in Rickmansworth. 295 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,960 Right. Rickmansworth's quite a long way out, isn't it? 296 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:44,400 Well, I say a mate. 297 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,000 He is a mate, but he's got, like, a hotel. 298 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,440 - Right. - Yeah. 299 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,360 He's here to talk about his future with the BBC Sport family, 300 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:55,040 as well as to reflect in some detail on his journey to this point. 301 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,600 No, cos the smart move, what I've done is, yeah, 302 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,960 I went back out on the M25 and back in again on the M1. 303 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:03,120 - Do you know what I'm saying? - Right. 304 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,400 - I could've gone south and gone back in on the M40, I admit that. - Yes. 305 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:08,800 - But I'm sorry, for me, that's not a road. - No. 306 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:10,440 For me, you've got cameras everywhere. 307 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,720 40 mile an hour restrictions. You know what I'm saying? 308 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:14,560 - You might as well be driving a horse. - Yes. 309 00:13:14,560 --> 00:13:18,000 - Well, shall I just get you signed in, then we'll just head on up. - Yeah, sure, yeah. Nice one. 310 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,880 - And my new agent's supposed to be here. I'm not seeing her. - Right. 311 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,000 I'm sorry, but for me, she's my agent, right? 312 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,760 She's got a job to do, but for me she's just not turned up. 313 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:27,920 - No, well, perhaps - Hi, Ryan. 314 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:29,400 - Yeah, hi. - Faiza. 315 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:31,960 - Oh, right. - Faiza Raja, Head of Diversity. 316 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:33,880 - Er... - Yeah, no, Faiza. Yeah, nice one. 317 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,480 - So... - Great to meet you at last. - Yeah, you too. Yeah, you too. 318 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,640 - Thanks so much for coming in today. - Hi, Faiza. 319 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:39,720 Yes. Hi, Lucy, yes. 320 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:41,720 But if Ryan's agent may not have turned up for him 321 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:46,040 for some reason, current BBC Head of Diversity Faiza Raja, at least 322 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:49,680 until Inclusivity and Diversity are reimagined as a single new post of 323 00:13:49,680 --> 00:13:53,480 Empowerment as part of the More of Less initiative, definitely has. 324 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,120 So, you got here all right, then, Ryan? 325 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:57,360 Yeah, no problem. Parting space bang outside. 326 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:58,720 - You drove? - Too right I did. 327 00:13:58,720 --> 00:13:59,920 - Right. - Right, yes. 328 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:03,040 Although saying that, I came down last night and stayed with a mate in Rickmansworth. 329 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:06,480 - Yes. - Rickmansworth. - I know what you're thinking, I say a mate, but he's got a hotel. 330 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:07,840 - Right. - Yeah. 331 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,800 - OK, what's going on? - What's going on? - You do know what's happening this morning? 332 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,600 - Of course, yes. - So, I don't mind, but I thought I'd sort of be dealing with this. 333 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,600 - Yes, no, I'm sorry. The fact is... - Right, great. 334 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,760 - Right, I'm in. - Yes. - Yes, right, well,, shall we? 335 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:24,280 Whoa, excuse my language, girls, but what a fucking place! 336 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,200 - Well, you know. - It's like you're in a film. 337 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,040 - Yes. - All of a sudden, I'm fucking Tom Cruise, 338 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:29,240 do you know what I'm saying? 339 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,880 - Right. - "Your clothes, give them to me now." - Yes. - Yes. 340 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,080 Now, listen, I don't know how any of this stuff work, 341 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:38,000 but basically, as I understand it, that's the old bit over there... 342 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,200 - Yes. - ..this is the new bit over here. - Yes. 343 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:43,280 And then this bit was basically built just to sort of join the two. 344 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,120 - Obviously, yes. - Yes, no, obviously. Yes, no, very good. 345 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,560 By 10 o'clock, Simon Harwood is already busy welcoming 346 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:52,400 Fiona Craig from the Department of Culture, Media and also Sport, 347 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,160 who has arrived at New Broadcasting House together with two 348 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,560 further women, in order to observe a normal morning at the BBC. 349 00:14:58,560 --> 00:14:59,680 Erm, if it helps, 350 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:03,200 Tony sometimes refers to it as the mind/brain interface. 351 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,480 - All right, OK. - You know, one of his little things. 352 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,080 - I'm not sure that does help, though, does it? - Brilliant. 353 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,080 If I'm being really honest with you, Simon. 354 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:11,840 Yes, no, of course, very good. Shall we go through? 355 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,720 Given the potential significance of the charter renewal process, 356 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,720 for the future of the BBC and everyone currently inside it, 357 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:19,800 it's important that the visiting delegation 358 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,800 feel as comprehensively met and greeted as possible. 359 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,160 - Fiona, hi. - Hi, yes. - Ian. - Yes. - Ian Fletcher. 360 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,880 - Yes, no, Ian, I assumed as much. - Well it's very good to meet you. 361 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:29,720 Yes, no, you too. And this is Chloe and Zoe. 362 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:31,120 - Right. - Hello. - Hi. - Hello. 363 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,800 You'll not be surprised to hear I'm forever getting them mixed up. 364 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:35,880 - Right. - But really they don't seem to mind. - No. - No. 365 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:37,840 Right, good. Er, you've met Simon, then. 366 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,000 - Indeed we have, Ian, yes. - Yes. - Brilliant. 367 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:41,880 Well, welcome to New Broadcasting House. 368 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,320 - Yes, no, we've already done that bit. - Oh, right, have you? - Yes. - Yes. 369 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:45,720 - Fabulous. - Well, what we... 370 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,600 - Yes, hello, yes. - Oh, right, OK. Anna. - Yes, exactly, yes. 371 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,120 As things turn out on this particular normal morning, 372 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,960 Anna Rampton also happens to be down in reception in her 373 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:55,120 role as Director of Better. 374 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,320 - This is Anna Rampton, Director of Better. - Oh, right. 375 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:58,440 Yes, exactly, yes. 376 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:00,600 Can I ask Director of Better what, Anna? 377 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:02,080 - Yes, no, that... - Brilliant. 378 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,800 - The fact is, welcome to the BBC. - Er, no, we've actually done that bit. 379 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,120 - Yes. - Yes. - Right, OK. - Good. 380 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,040 - I mean, yes, I could've come by train, without a doubt. - Yes. 381 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:12,720 But, for me, if you've got a decent car, 382 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:14,440 you bloody want to drive somewhere. 383 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,480 - Yes. - I mean, it's not like you can drive a train. 384 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,800 - No. - OK, you can drive a train. I admit that. 385 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:20,680 Like, if you're a train driver, but, for me, 386 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,400 if you're driving a train you're only ever going in one direction. 387 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:24,800 - Do you know what I'm saying? - Yes. 388 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:26,360 Meanwhile, up on the sixth floor, 389 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:30,360 Head of Inclusivity Lucy Freeman and Head of Diversity Faiza Raja 390 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,640 are leading Ryan Chelford towards his destiny. 391 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,200 ..sat on a train, drinking shit coffee with people you don't know. 392 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,440 And with the single New Head of Empowerment role set to 393 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,880 replace both their current roles, quite possibly towards theirs. 394 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:42,320 Clive. 395 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:43,680 Oh, hi, Lucy. How are ya? 396 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:45,320 Yes, I'm good, thanks. You made it, then. 397 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:46,960 - 'Fraid so, yeah. - Great, so... 398 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,000 - Clive, we've not met before. - Right. 399 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:50,960 Faiza. Faiza Raja, Head of Diversity. 400 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:52,920 - Oh, OK. - Yes. - Good to meet you. 401 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,160 - Yeah, you too. - You know Ryan, of course. - Yep. - Yes. 402 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,640 - Yeah, hi, yeah. - Clive Cook, BBC Head of Football. 403 00:16:57,640 --> 00:16:59,400 - Yeah, the main man. - Well, let's not... 404 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:01,360 - El misseurino le gaffer. - What? 405 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,760 - Nice one. - OK, so we're in Mary Berry, I think. 406 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,280 - Oh, are we? - Yes, so... - I thought it was Frankie Howard? 407 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:07,680 - Yes. - I booked Mary Berry. 408 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:09,520 - Right. - No, I booked Frankie Howard. 409 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,640 Well, I'm sorry Has anyone booked a band? 410 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,040 - What? - At this rate we could have quite a party. 411 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:18,240 NARRATOR: One of the distinctive features of the BBC's intelligent 412 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,840 syncopatispace room booking software, 413 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:24,280 is that if two people book different rooms at exactly the same time 414 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,480 and under exactly the same subject heading, it crashes. 415 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,080 - I have, I've pressed it twice and I... - Shall we try mine? 416 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:31,280 Fortunately, however, 417 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,120 Head of Communications Tracy Pritchard has arrived to help. 418 00:17:34,120 --> 00:17:36,760 Yes, we just thought it might be interesting for you to meet him 419 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:38,800 and just to get a sense of how someone like him 420 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:40,520 - fits into our family. - Yes, exactly, yes. 421 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,600 Meanwhile, really not very far away now, the visiting delegation 422 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:47,000 from the DCM and also S is getting closer almost by the yard. 423 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,440 I think I'm right in saying that Ryan has already arrived. 424 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:50,800 - Brilliant. 425 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,200 Ah, yes, so this, er, actually, I might just, er... 426 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,080 Will you excuse me if I just, er... Tracy, hi, yes. 427 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,080 Yes, I know, we're just coming towards you now. 428 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:03,120 - Right. - They may be walking towards a potential disaster, but luckily 429 00:18:03,120 --> 00:18:07,200 potential disasters are one of Tracy Pritchard's key areas of expertise. 430 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,200 Anyway, at the moment, they're both locked. 431 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,400 - Right. - Like we physically can't get in. 432 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,520 - Right. - I dunno where Faiza's appeared from? 433 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:15,480 - Right. - I'm not being negative or anything, 434 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:17,840 - but I have got a very bad feeling about this. - Right. 435 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:19,440 I've gotta say, Ian, from where 436 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,800 I'm standing this has all the makings of a category A, 100%, 437 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:24,040 platinum standard fuck up. 438 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,000 OK, fine. Thanks, Tracy, that's great. 439 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:28,840 OK. Good. 440 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,000 Ryan, hi. 441 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:43,840 - Yeah, Ryan, yeah. - Ian Fletcher. 442 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:45,280 - Yeah. - Good to see you again. 443 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,480 - Yeah, nice one, Ian, yeah. - Thanks for coming in today. 444 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,080 Yeah, no worries, Ian, yeah. 445 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,200 My new agent's supposed to be here somewhere. 446 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,400 But do you know what? For me, she's just not turned up. 447 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,080 Right, well, let me just make a few introductions first. 448 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,960 So this is Fiona Craig from the Department of Culture, Media 449 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,400 - and, interestingly enough, also Sport. - Nice one. 450 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,200 With the possible exception of the person at the centre of it, 451 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,640 everyone involved in the meeting understands not only how 452 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,880 important it is that it runs smoothly, but also how remote 453 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,840 a prospect that is given the number of people involved. 454 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,680 And finally, Tracy Pritchard, Senior Communications person. 455 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:16,800 - Yes. - Hello. 456 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:18,640 Can I just say, Fiona, welcome 457 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:20,440 - No, the fact is we've done that. - Oh, right. 458 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:21,520 - Yes. - Yes. - Yes. 459 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,160 But not being able to say with any certainty where the meeting 460 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,800 actually is isn't an ideal start. 461 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,720 OK, well, we're in Nadia Hussain, I think, aren't we? 462 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:31,880 - - Er, we... - Ye...yes. - Nadia Hussain? 463 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,480 - I think so, yes, so that's all good. - Yes, no brilliant, no, listen. 464 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,880 - I'm going to have to leave you guys, I'm afraid. - Oh, right. 465 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,840 - If that's going to be... - Yes, fine. - Frankly, rather a Tony-facing morning... 466 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:41,880 - No, that's good for us, really. - Right. - Yes. - Yes. 467 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,040 - Fabulously exciting to meet you. - Yes, you too. 468 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:45,840 And don't take any nonsense from these guys, OK? 469 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,200 - That we won't, Simon. - Brilliant, er, right. Good-o. 470 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,160 - Right, OK. - OK, so if everyone would like to just follow me? 471 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:57,320 - How's it going? - How's it going? 472 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,280 - Yes. - I feel like I want to cry. 473 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,600 It'll be fine, OK? It's going to be absolutely fine. 474 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:02,720 Not if I cry it won't. 475 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:04,680 You won't cry. Question Of Sport was your idea. 476 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,280 It's a brilliant solution, OK? 477 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,760 Should have been bloody Top Gear and them bloody cars! 478 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,880 - Yes, Well, maybe keep that for emergency use, if I were you. - Yes. 479 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:13,360 Right, OK. 480 00:20:13,360 --> 00:20:15,920 Eventually, the routine meeting with Ryan Chelford 481 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:17,680 is inexorably under way. 482 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,120 OK, well, so just to say officially, then, welcome to Ryan. 483 00:20:20,120 --> 00:20:21,520 - Yes, exactly, yes. - Yes. 484 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,400 - Hey. - And also welcome to Fiona, 485 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,840 Chloe and Zoe from the DCM and also S, even though, 486 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,800 for the purposes of this, they're not actually here, of course. 487 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,160 - Exactly so, Ian. - No. - No. 488 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,160 Well, what do you mean they're not here? 489 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,320 Right, OK, so I suppose the first thing to say... 490 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:37,880 - Hey, guys. - Right. 491 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:39,880 Oh, yeah, nice to meet ya. Oh, hey, Siobhan. 492 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,200 Hey. You look gorgeous. 493 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:42,480 Oh, right, OK. 494 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,760 But just when it looks as if everything might be under 495 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:46,840 control again, it's suddenly become clear 496 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,320 that following his recent rise to social media eminence, 497 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,520 Ryan Chelford has signed to Fun Media, that Siobhan Sharpe is 498 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:56,440 now his new agent, and that in her mind the future is gender fluid. 499 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,800 Literally sitting on the next Gayson Perry here, right? 500 00:20:58,800 --> 00:20:59,960 - Yes. - Grayson Perry. 501 00:20:59,960 --> 00:21:01,560 No, sure, exactly. It's a no-brainer. 502 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,400 Yes, so I was just saying, Siobhan, 503 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,440 perhaps the first thing to say is, 504 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,720 - how excited we are at the prospect of working with Ryan here at the BBC. - Yes. 505 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,200 - Yay! - I mean, certainly from an empowerment point of view. 506 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:12,880 - Yes, exactly. - Yes. - Go, Ryan. 507 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:14,680 Yes, so I guess the practical question, 508 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,760 aside from the bigger issues for a moment, is how and where best 509 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,800 to employ Ryan's talents within the many things that the BBC does. 510 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,760 - Yes, exactly. - Yes. - Cool. 511 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:23,880 - I mean, Clive... - Yeah? 512 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,440 ..I know you've got some thoughts about how you see Ryan's 513 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,520 role in relation to Match Of The Day itself. 514 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:32,200 Yeah. So, obviously we were lucky enough to have Ryan on our midweek 515 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,760 - FA Cup Third Round highlight package. - Yes. - No worries. 516 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,400 But we found... We debrief after every show, obviously, 517 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,480 and we found ourselves asking whether Match Of The Day 518 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,880 represents the best possible fit for Ryan's talents going forward. 519 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:46,240 - Right, OK. - Yes. 520 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,640 - So if that's the case... - No, I'm sorry, guys, sorry, Clive. 521 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,520 - What are you saying there? - Yes, exactly. 522 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,800 I mean, cos for me, I'm sat here, I've drove all 523 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,040 - the way down from Cheshire, do you know what I'm saying? - Yes. 524 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:56,960 - You SO have. - Though saying that, I did stay 525 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:58,920 with a mate in Rickmansworth last night. 526 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,760 Right. No, this is very much about exploring possibilities and being 527 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,720 prepared to go beyond the obvious to make sure we get this right. 528 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:05,960 - Yes. - Exactly, yes. 529 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,840 - Totally. - Yes, so very much with that spirit in mind, erm, Lucy has come 530 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,400 up with what we think is potentially a really interesting idea. 531 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,320 - Yes. - All right. - Well, no. 532 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:15,680 I've gotta say, I agree. 533 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,640 I won't say any more, I'll let Lucy talk us through it. 534 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:18,720 Yes. 535 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,640 - But we'd be very interested to see - what you think. OK. Nice one. 536 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:22,760 OK, well... 537 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,320 Sorry, Lucy, sorry, Ian, 538 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,960 but just to check, this isn't A Question Of Sport, is it? 539 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,040 - Well, I mean yes, what? - A Question Of Sport? 540 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,080 - Well, perhaps... - What? Do you mean with Sue what's her name? - Exactly. 541 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:33,200 I mean, I'm sorry, the fact is 542 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,440 - I just don't think that's going to work. - Well, that's... 543 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,440 The fact is we're talking about over half a million followers on Twitter now. 544 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,880 - A lot of them in the LGBT community. - Yes. - Yay! 545 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,400 - This isn't about hiding him away on a quiz show. - No, no. 546 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,880 The fact is, this is about having a face, like Ryan's face, 547 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,320 as a regular presence on a show like the Match Of The Day. 548 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:49,480 - Yes, exactly. - Yes. 549 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:50,680 - OK, cool. - Right, OK. 550 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,160 Let's do it, lets do this thing. 551 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,160 I mean, Clive, given what you've said already 552 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,360 I don't know what your reaction is to that as... 553 00:22:56,360 --> 00:23:00,560 Yeah, so I think probably the thing to say about that is, from our point of view, it's not going to happen. 554 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,080 - Right, OK. - Yes, I've gotta say, guys, I thought so. 555 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:04,160 Bummer. 556 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,600 Yeah, hey, this is me on my bike. 557 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,360 This is me on my bike. 558 00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:12,960 Meanwhile, elsewhere, Development Executive Izzy Gould is busy 559 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,120 reviewing developments with what was On Your Bike before it's 560 00:23:16,120 --> 00:23:18,680 recent transformation into someone else's idea. 561 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:22,720 - Hey. - Oh, hi. 562 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,520 - It's not bad, is it? - What are you doing here? 563 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:25,800 - Nothing. - What do you want? 564 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,040 - Brought you coffee. - Coffee? 565 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:28,200 - Yes. - What for? 566 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,200 I dunno, to drink, I guess. 567 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,040 Unless you want to do something else with it? 568 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,200 - Can I sit here for a minute? - There's someone there. 569 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,480 No, I know. Just for a minute, that's all. I won't even put my coffee down, look 570 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,320 So, David Wilks has somehow managed to set up a meeting with 571 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,880 Matt Taverner and Siobhan Sharpe about the BBC Me launch, 572 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,560 - I mean, about everything. - Right. 573 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:46,680 Er, so I'm going to go. 574 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,440 - And what about Will? - Will. 575 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,360 - Yes. - Just come to the meeting, OK? Why wouldn't you? 576 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,720 I mean, I'm sorry, but this isn't actually about diversity, is it? 577 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:06,880 No, I'm sorry... 578 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,720 On which, by the way, I'm very proud of our record on Match Of The Day. 579 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,120 I'm sorry, the fact is, this is really about empowerment. 580 00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:13,400 - Exactly. - OK. - Yes. 581 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,600 - Yes. - I mean, I thought we were supposed to be on the same side here, aren't we? - Well, yes. 582 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,960 Can I just say, guys, I certainly am. 583 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,360 Yeah, you don't want to start arguing with yourselves. 584 00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:24,000 - No, well... - I mean, I'm sorry, for me, that's poor thinking. 585 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,280 Back in Nadia Hussain, 586 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,600 things are getting more normal virtually by the minute. 587 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,120 With respect, Clive, the fact is it's not for you to say what is 588 00:24:30,120 --> 00:24:31,640 and isn't an empowerment issue. 589 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,280 In this particular case I think it is. 590 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,760 - In this particular case it absolutely isn't. - Yes, it is. 591 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,960 OK, so we've got both sides of the argument pretty much 592 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:39,920 - nailed down now, so that's all good. - Cool. 593 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,000 As Head of Values, Ian is aware that the last thing that needs to 594 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,240 happen is for the BBC's current Head of Diversity to have 595 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,040 a full-scale argument about a cross dressing presenter with 596 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,600 the BBC Head of Football in front of a visiting team 597 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,160 from the Department of Culture, Media and also Sport. 598 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,680 I mean, it seems to me, Faiza, that your point is about having 599 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,560 a face like Ryan's on a flagship show, 600 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,520 which you could argue has been too narrowly gendered up to now. 601 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,280 - Exactly, yes. - Yes, exactly, yes. 602 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,080 And Clive's point is that Match Of The Day itself may not actually 603 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,800 be the most effective context in which to address this issue. 604 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,600 - Yeah, is it? - Yes. I think so, yes. 605 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,400 - Right, OK. - No, cos I'm just thinking, Lucy, the other idea 606 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,120 you had, of course, knowing Ryan's interests and strengths 607 00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:19,800 and you might want to say more about how you came to this, 608 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,480 was whether there might be a role for him somewhere in Top Gear. 609 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,520 - Yes, er... - Top Gear? - Yes, no. 610 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:26,920 - You're kidding me? - Blimey. 611 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:27,960 Holy shit. 612 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,680 - I just wondered whether... - Sure. 613 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,200 - I wondered whether that might be an interesting thing... - Sure. - I mean for Top Gear too. 614 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:34,960 - Yes. - No, sure, I TOTALLY watch that. 615 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,760 I mean, you've gotta say, guys, whatever you think of Top Gear and 616 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,680 obviously I never watch it myself, but that really is a big idea. 617 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,080 Well, yes. 618 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,040 Obviously there'd be some in-house issues we'd have to navigate our way through. 619 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,040 - Yes, no, but in principle - In principle, yes. 620 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,560 - Cool! - And, you know, it's our job to think big thoughts 621 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,680 and maybe that's something you might be able to help with anyway, Anna? 622 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,480 - Yes, exactly, yes. - I mean, Ryan... 623 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:55,600 I mean, I love this. 624 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,800 I totally love it when this shit happens. 625 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,320 And, yes, so, Ryan, I mean, I don't know, er, what your... 626 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,080 OK, for me, right, excuse my language, right, I'm sorry, 627 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,160 - but, Lisa, I bloody love you. - Well, no... 628 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,760 I mean, you've come here, you've sat there, you've said nothing. 629 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,200 Just, it was something I think I could see working, that's all. 630 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,800 - That, for me, is top-top thinking. - Yep, me too, yeah. 631 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,920 - Right, well. - Good job, guys. - And so, we move on. 632 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,840 So, can I just say, cos I know we're not supposed to be here, 633 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,800 I don't know what it was like for you guys, but this is 634 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,440 probably the most fun we've had in quite some time, isn't it, girls? 635 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,560 - Yes. - Yes. - Right, so, yes, potentially, then, that's all good. 636 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,000 - Yes. - Yes. 637 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,120 - Ah, hi. - Yes, hi, yes. 638 00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:49,120 - Yes. - TANNOY: - Doors opening. 639 00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:51,000 Eventually it's the end of the day, 640 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,000 with another potential disaster at the last moment somehow 641 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,000 turned into a potential solution. 642 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,600 Anyway, I suppose the main thing is we got through another day. 643 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,720 - Yes. - If that's a good thing? - Yes. 644 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,120 Forgive me asking, and obviously t's none of my business, 645 00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:05,280 - but have you decided what you're doing yet? - About? 646 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,800 - You know, with the job and... - Oh, right, yes, erm... 647 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,880 It's also a day which has left Lucy thoughtful about whether to apply 648 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,920 for the new Head of Empowerment post, or to embrace the new 649 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,400 More Of Less initiative even more enthusiastically 650 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:17,720 by leaving altogether. 651 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,560 - I didn't really want to apply for the job I've got. - Well, no, I remember. - Never mind this one. 652 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,200 - You were going to work in a garden centre. - Yes. 653 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,280 - Yeah, I dunno, I think it's going to be easier to start again. - Yes, all right. 654 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,720 But it turns out that Lusy isn't the only one with a knotty 655 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,640 - problem to grapple with. - Hi. 656 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,320 - Yeah, hi, yeah. - Yes, hi, yes. 657 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:34,600 - Hi, Anna. - Yes, exactly. 658 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,600 - Everything OK? - Yes. - Yeah, I dunno, I've never seen one do this before. 659 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,280 - Well, I would offer to help but... - Yes. - I think Will's probably... 660 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,800 - Yeah, no worries, yeah, cool. - Yes, exactly, you can go now. 661 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,640 - Yeah, no, but... - Thank you. - OK. - Right, erm... - Yes. 662 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,400 - I mean, I really don't want to interfere, Will. - Yeah, no worries, yeah. - Yes, exactly, yes. 663 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,120 - OK. - Right, er... 664 00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:54,720 For Ian, after a long day, this is a chance to demonstrate just 665 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,200 how rapidly you can transform an apparently random arrangement 666 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,080 of steel, rubber, handlebars and other things into a completely 667 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,520 different arrangement twice its real size if you really want to. 668 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,000 Er, just the pedal there. 669 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,280 - There, that's it and there you go, done. - Yes, thank you. 670 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:10,520 - OK, well... - Yes. 671 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,320 - Don't forget helmet and lights. - Yeah, no, exactly. No. 672 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,200 - Wouldn't want anything to happen to you. - Yes. 673 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,040 - OK. - Thank you. 674 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,280 Shall I just... 675 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:19,320 Yes, exactly, yes. 676 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,800 - OK, there you go. - Yes. 677 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,920 - See you tomorrow. - Yes, exactly, yes. 678 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,920 Oh, right, OK, good. 60221

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