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Obviously the danger is, if he's
actively excluded from appearing
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on Match Of The Day, that could read
as an example of prejudice.
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And, Ryan, I know you were
less than impressed with
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some of Southampton's defending.
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- Yeah, I was Gary, yeah, I was.
- Right.
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I think we're at a point now where
we can say with some confidence
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that he is naturally crap.
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- I've had some times in this, I have.
- Too dull for Match Of The Day?
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I mean, what is that?
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It's not even a shape, it's just like a pointy line.
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- It's just something he's got in him.
- Right, yes.
- Right.
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We are starting to take heavy incoming on this
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in the press office already.
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I'm sorry, but for me,
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you're not going to win games
at this level with pointy lines, Gary.
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Stand by, two... Mix through, cue on two.
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The BBC's announced the appointment
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of ex-head of Olympic deliverance Ian Fletcher
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as its new Head of Values.
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Time now for the shipping forecast.
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Superimpose.
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NARRATOR: It's 8.30 in the morning
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on another in a series of relentlessly big days
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for the BBC at its New Broadcasting House
central command centre
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in central London.
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Ah, yes, hi, guys.
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- Yep.
- Yep.
- Morning.
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Yeah, hey, yeah.
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Don't stand there, just come on in.
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Have a seat. Er, no, listen, have two.
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Make yourself at home.
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This morning, Head of Strategic
Governance Simon Harwood
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has arrived to find people already
waiting to see him.
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It's very much the way things are
going to be from now on.
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I don't know about you, but these days
I'm just grateful
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to have a bike to ride and
some legs to ride it with.
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As part of the BBC's major new More of Less initiative,
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junior executives Ben and Jerry
have discovered that they're going
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to be given the opportunity to apply
for their own jobs.
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The total of which has been revised
downwards going forward
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from the current figure of two
to a new total of one.
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I mean, er, you're going to know how
you'll want to feel about this
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and I've no idea how these things work,
but I don't know,
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for what it's worth, erm, maybe
if you were to think of yourselves
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as either Ben or Jerry instead
of Ben and Jerry going forward.
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- Yep.
- Uh-huh.
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I mean, I dunno, does that help?
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OK, but it's like what you guys
have got to realise is...
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No, I'm sorry, Siobhan.
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- OK, it's like no-one has, like, agenda any more.
- What?!
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- Uh...
- I mean, that's just like, what even is that?
Just get over it.
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- Brilliant.
- By nine o'clock, the day's damage
limitation meeting is
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well under way.
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Er, wait a moment. Where's it gone?
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I had it a moment ago. Er, right, OK, erm,
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"Just iPlayered Ryan Chelford on MOTD.
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"OMG, fabulous, Claudia Winkleman
with stubble. Keep it fluid.
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"#FootballSexy #LGBTFuture."
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- Right.
- Cool.
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So that's a new one, then, is it, Lucy?
I haven't seen that one.
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- David Walliams.
- Oh, right.
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- David Walliams.
- David Walliams, yeah.
- Yes, that makes sense.
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It's always a packed programme,
but top of the agenda by some way
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this morning is the issue of
ex-Premier League footballer
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and would-be Match Of The Day
pundit Ryan Chelford.
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OK, right, here we go.
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"WTF, BBC, I thought Robbie Savage was crap,
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"but this guy's in a league of his own."
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- Right.
- "Doesn't matter what he wears,
he's still going to be crap."
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- OK.
- "MOTD's shit anyway."
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- Yes, so.
- Brilliant.
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- And then droopy face.
- Yes, well.
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And just out of interest, who is that, Tracy?
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- That's actually Gary Lineker.
- Oh, OK.
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- Yes.
- Right.
- Gary Lineker, yep.
- Interesting.
- Gary Lineker, yep.
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Since his trial appearance
as a pundit on a midweek
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Match Of The Day FA Cup
Third Round Highlights package,
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reaction on social media has been
almost universally divided.
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No, I mean, listen, you guys'll know
how you want to handle this
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and who knows quite which way
Tony swings, football wise.
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- No.
- But for what it's worth,
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I did snatch a quick macchiato moment
with him this morning.
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- Oh, right?
- He's just back from a mindfulness
weekend in Somerset,
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which was apparently really rather wonderful.
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- Right.
- Oh...
- No, but for what it's worth,
his thought on this, what
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with charter renewal and so forth,
is that it might be rather smart to
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get this whole thing sorted before
the Fiona Craig visit next week.
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- Well, yes. - Yes, because...
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Yes, exactly.
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Next week, the very senior
civil servant with responsibility
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for charter renewal negotiations
from the Department of Culture,
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Media and for some reason also Sport,
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is due to make an initial visit
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to New Broadcasting House in order
to see a normal morning at the BBC.
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Just to say, before we go any further,
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just to confirm everyone's OK with
the change of date for that?
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- Yep.
- Yep.
- Yes, thank you, Ian.
- Er...
- No, sure, I'm good with that.
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Yes, exactly, yes.
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It looks like she'll be with us from
about 10 o'clock onwards.
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- 10 o'clock.
- 10 o'clock, yeah.
- 10 o'clock.
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- Yes, no, brilliant. Bring it on.
- Change of date.
- Yes.
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- Yes, it's Tuesday now, Lucy.
- Right.
- Tuesday.
- Tuesday.
- Tuesday.
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Why? Is that...
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That's the morning Ryan Chelford's coming in, isn't it?
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- Right. - Yes, it is, yes.
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- Right. OK.
- Coming in where?
- Well, in here.
- Here?!
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- Yes.
- Ah, no.
- Great.
- Why?
- Perfect.
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- Well, basically...
- What for?
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- We've asked him in to talk about the way forward.
- Who has?
- Well...
- You have?
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- Well, no...
- The way forward?
- Yes.
- That can't happen.
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Oh, bloody hell!
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As the person responsible for liaising
between the BBC
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and whoever the Minister for Culture,
Media and also Sport
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happens to be, it's crucial that everything
goes smoothly on the day
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of Fiona Craig's visit, regardless
of how unusual that would be.
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The thing is we've moved Ryan
three times already.
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- Well great, move him again. - Yes, exactly.
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- He'll be getting the hang of it by now.
- Cool.
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The other way to look at this is,
what she's expecting
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- to see, what she's hoping for anyway,
is basically a normal morning.
- Brilliant.
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- Normal?
- Yes.
- Christ.
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Perhaps it would be good for her
to be here when Ryan Chelford comes in.
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- Good.
- After all, here we are, talking about
how best to welcome
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a cross-dressing presenter into
the BBC Sport family.
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- OK. Let's do this.
- As long as we're clear about what
our position is on this, obviously.
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- Yes.
- Right.
- Brilliant.
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Yes, exactly. What is our position on it?
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- Me?
- Yes.
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- Well, I mean no-one's really... - Oh, right, OK.
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- - Brilliant.
- Great. - All right, OK, here we go.
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This is me on my bike.
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This is me on my bike.
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This is me on my bike.
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Meanwhile elsewhere,
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Jack has got something he's keen
to show Izzy, David and Will.
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- This is me on my bike.
- This is me on my bike.
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This is me on my bike.
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He's been working on a short
taster version of what would
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otherwise have been Will's original idea
for On Your Bike,
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to show to Director of Better,
Anna Rampton, as a potential
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flagship show for soon to be launched
new online platform BBC Me.
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This is me on my bike!
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- Anyway, so.
- It's genius, Jack.
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- It's 90 seconds.
- It's like brilliance on wheels.
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Or there's like a 70-second cut,
which might be better.
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- "Cycle Shorts."
- Well, yeah, I dunno.
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- "Cycle Shorts."
- It felt a bit more now than
On Your Bike somehow.
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- Right.
- "Free The Selfie."
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- BBCme.com
- Unbelievable.
- What?
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So what, you just went off and did this?
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Well, yeah. I mean, not personally, obviously.
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- But you...
- I don't know anyone who owns a bike.
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You went off and did it, you didn't say anything...
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- Hang on, Jesus, Will?!
- What?
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- Yeah.
- That's you.
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Yeah, no. Yeah, no.
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Yeah, hey. This is me on my bike.
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But this is... I mean, what is going on here?!
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- What's going on? - What's going on? Yeah. No.
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I mean, is there perhaps a home for him
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somewhere else in the world of BBC Sport?
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- OK, Strictly.
- No.
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- What?
- It's got to be some kind of sport, Siobhan.
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- Yes.
- So how is that not a sport?
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Given the strong reactions provoked
by Ryan Chelford's Match
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Of The Day appearance and given
the complex and sensitive issues
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involved, the problem for the BBC
is that they don't know what to do.
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What we're looking for is something
that isn't literally
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Match Of The Day,
but at the same time very much plays
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to his strengths as... you know, as a presenter.
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- Brilliant. Cool.
- Right.
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- What strengths?
- Well...
- He hasn't got any strengths, has he?
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- OK, Celebrity Big Brother.
- No.
- It's perfect.
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The fact is that's a Channel 4 show anyway.
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- Well, it...
- Channel 4, yep.
- Yep, Channel 4.
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- Channel 4.
- Yep.
- Yes, well...
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- Actually, I think that's Channel 5 now, isn't it?
- Yeah. Yep.
- Yes, I think so.
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- Channel 5, yeah.
- Yes, exactly.
- Channel 5.
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- Channel 5, yeah.
- Yes, we seem to have gone a bit off piste somehow.
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- I totally have.
- We really...
- I mean, you want to be the best duck hunter,
you go where the ducks are.
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- Brilliant.
- The ducks?
- What?!
- And you take the hoisin sauce with you.
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- Brilliant.
- Fuck's sake.
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- I mean, this probably wouldn't work, but...
- No.
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but, what about something like
A Question Of Sport?
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- All right, OK.
- A Question Of Sport.
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- Well...
- No, I'm sorry.
- As I say, it's probably not...
- Exactly.
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- Well, no, hang on.
- Hallelujah!
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So, what is that? I don't even know what that is.
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Well, it's one way of burying him forever for sure.
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- It's like a quiz show, Siobhan.
- OK.
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But it's about sport.
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- Oh, so, what, it's an actual show?
- Yes, it's on every week with Sue...
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Cool, no, no, sure. I get this, yeah.
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- That's really interesting, isn't it?
- We love quiz shows.
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- You mean as a regular team captain?
- No.
- Well, I don't know. I...
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No, I'm sorry, the fact is there already
are two team captains for that show.
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- Yeah.
- Yes.
- Yes, just remind me.
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- Matt...
- Matt Dawson and Phil Tufnell.
- Matt Dawson and Phil Tufnell.
- Yeah.
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- Right, yes.
- Matt Dawson and Phil Tufnell.
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Despite Anna's reservations about
Lucy's idea, there's a feeling
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in the room that she may perhaps
have put her finger on something.
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- OK! - Cool.
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- Alrighty!
- Blimey.
- Go, Ryan.
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- Bloody genius. - Well done, Lucy.
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- Yes. - Well, no.
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- Yes, no, really, Lucy. Hurrah!
- Yes, no, yes.
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I mean, what were you doing, Will?
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Yeah, what was I doing?
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Meanwhile, back in elsewhere,
it's become clear that in his role
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in Betterness Development,
Jack has selected Will as someone ideally
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qualified to approach complete strangers
with bikes and phones
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and persuade them to film themselves saying,
"This is me on my bike."
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I mean, it's like he's actually using
you to steal your own idea from you.
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- Yeah.
- No, I'm not.
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- Yeah, crap, yeah.
- Will was the only person I could think of who
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- would know 30 other people who ride bikes.
- Genius.
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- So I asked him and he said yes.
- Of course he said yes.
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- Yeah, of course I did, yeah.
- It's Will!
- Yeah, no, correct, I'm Will.
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I've been working on this, trying
to get it off the ground for, like, ages.
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- Well, yeah, exactly.
- It's completely... What?
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Anyway, can I just say, guys, the good news is,
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Anna absolutely love it.
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- Anna?
- What?
- I know.
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- You showed this to Anna?
- Whoa.
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- Yes, I know, yes.
- So, what, you...
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No, cos what it was, I ran into Anna,
like, in the lift
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and can I just say, has anyone else
noticed the perfume she's wearing?
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- Her perfume?
- Is it new? Is it just me?
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- Yeah, anyway.
- Yes, I know, yes, honestly, what am I like?
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Anyway, we were just like chatting and well
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I say chatting, it was me mostly,
cos you know what she's like.
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- She doesn't say much, does she?
Whereas me, I just open my mouth,
I've no idea what...
- Yeah, OK.
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Yes, so anyway, I promised that
I would forward her the link to it
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and, do you know what, by the time
I got to Costa she'd come
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straight back to me, cos the thing about Anna is,
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she don't say much, but she don't muck about.
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- She's like, "Oh, my God, David, genius."
- Right, OK,
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- Unbelievable.
- I know.
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I know, cos also, cos I haven't finished yet,
OK, apparently she likes it
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so much that she's, like, "Do you know what guys?
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- You should be like using this as the online
trail for the BBC Me launch.
- Right.
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So she sends it straight to Siobhan Sharpe
at Fun Media for them to look at.
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Siobhan Sharpe? Yes, I know.
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- Way, no way.
- Anna sent this to Siobhan Sharpe?
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I know, and apparently she's, like,
Siobhan practically wet herself.
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- I don't believe this.
- I know.
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- I do.
- Yeah, unbelievable, yeah.
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And do you know what? I'm like, guys,
this is just outrageous.
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- Yes.
- Yes.
- Yeah, no, mental, yeah. I dunno.
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It's next Tuesday
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and another big day ahead as Ian arrives for work.
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This is the day when top civil servant
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Fiona Craig from the Department
of Culture, Media
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and also Sport is due to arrive to see
a normal morning at the BBC.
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But already, things are starting
to look anything but normal.
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- Anna.
- Yes, hi, yes.
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You've got a bike?
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Yes, exactly, yes.
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Well, I mean, what can I say? Congratulations.
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Yes, no, yes.
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Not only has Director of Better
Anna Rampton apparently decided
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to join Ian on two wheels, but, like him,
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she's gone for wheels that are,
theoretically at least, foldable if
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you were listening to the person in the shop
who explained how to do it.
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I, I don't want to interfere,
but do you want a hand with that?
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- Yes. No, the fact is, like, yes.
- Yeah, no, it's really simple
once you get the hang of it.
- Exactly.
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For Ian, this is a chance to demonstrate
a range of skills
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acquired over many years of folding
under all kinds of conditions,
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whilst for Anna, this is a chance to stand quietly
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and watch everything he does at close quarters.
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- There you are.
- Yes.
- Yeah, it's really easy.
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- Yes, thank you.
- So now I've... No, no, that's...
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- But now that I've done it, do you want me
to undo it again so you can...
- No.
- No, right.
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No, the fact is I need to change my shoes.
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Right, yes. OK, well.
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- Oh, hi, Lucy.
- Hi, yes.
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Yes.
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Er, Anna's just, er, joined the club.
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- Yes, good.
- Yes, exactly, yes.
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- Who'd have thought it?
- Yes.
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Yes, so you're all set for the Ryan Chelford
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Yes. Really sorry, I've gotta go.
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Yes.
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Right. Great.
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This is also a big day for Lucy Freeman in her role,
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at least for the moment anyway, as Head of Inclusivity.
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Hi, Ryan.
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She's come outside to meet Ryan Chelford,
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who has arrived at New Broadcasting
House by parking
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his Bentley Continental almost directly outside it.
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- Lovely car.
- Yeah, it's not bad, it does the job.
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Do you know what I'm saying?
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- How was your journey?
- Yeah, no problem, yeah.
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Came down last night, stayed
with a mate in Rickmansworth.
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Right. Rickmansworth's quite a long way out, isn't it?
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Well, I say a mate.
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He is a mate, but he's got, like, a hotel.
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- Right.
- Yeah.
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He's here to talk about his future
with the BBC Sport family,
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as well as to reflect in some detail
on his journey to this point.
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No, cos the smart move, what I've done is, yeah,
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I went back out on the M25 and
back in again on the M1.
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- Do you know what I'm saying?
- Right.
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- I could've gone south and gone back
in on the M40, I admit that.
- Yes.
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- But I'm sorry, for me, that's not a road.
- No.
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For me, you've got cameras everywhere.
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40 mile an hour restrictions.
You know what I'm saying?
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- You might as well be driving a horse.
- Yes.
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- Well, shall I just get you signed in,
then we'll just head on up.
- Yeah, sure, yeah. Nice one.
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- And my new agent's supposed to be here.
I'm not seeing her.
- Right.
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I'm sorry, but for me, she's my agent, right?
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She's got a job to do, but for me
she's just not turned up.
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- No, well, perhaps
- Hi, Ryan.
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- Yeah, hi.
- Faiza.
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- Oh, right.
- Faiza Raja, Head of Diversity.
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- Er...
- Yeah, no, Faiza. Yeah, nice one.
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- So...
- Great to meet you at last.
- Yeah, you too. Yeah, you too.
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- Thanks so much for coming in today.
- Hi, Faiza.
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Yes. Hi, Lucy, yes.
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But if Ryan's agent may not have turned up for him
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for some reason, current BBC Head
of Diversity Faiza Raja, at least
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until Inclusivity and Diversity are
reimagined as a single new post of
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Empowerment as part of the More of Less
initiative, definitely has.
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So, you got here all right, then, Ryan?
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Yeah, no problem. Parting space bang outside.
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- You drove?
- Too right I did.
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- Right.
- Right, yes.
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Although saying that, I came down last night
and stayed with a mate in Rickmansworth.
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- Yes.
- Rickmansworth.
- I know what you're thinking,
I say a mate, but he's got a hotel.
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- Right.
- Yeah.
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- OK, what's going on?
- What's going on?
- You do know what's happening this morning?
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- Of course, yes.
- So, I don't mind, but I thought
I'd sort of be dealing with this.
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- Yes, no, I'm sorry. The fact is...
- Right, great.
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- Right, I'm in.
- Yes.
- Yes, right, well,, shall we?
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Whoa, excuse my language, girls,
but what a fucking place!
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- Well, you know.
- It's like you're in a film.
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- Yes.
- All of a sudden, I'm fucking Tom Cruise,
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do you know what I'm saying?
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- Right.
- "Your clothes, give them to me now."
- Yes.
- Yes.
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Now, listen, I don't know how any of this stuff work,
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but basically, as I understand it,
that's the old bit over there...
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- Yes.
- ..this is the new bit over here.
- Yes.
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And then this bit was basically built
just to sort of join the two.
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- Obviously, yes.
- Yes, no, obviously. Yes, no, very good.
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By 10 o'clock, Simon Harwood is
already busy welcoming
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Fiona Craig from the Department of Culture,
Media and also Sport,
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who has arrived at New Broadcasting House
together with two
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further women, in order to observe
a normal morning at the BBC.
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Erm, if it helps,
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Tony sometimes refers to it
as the mind/brain interface.
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- All right, OK.
- You know, one of his little things.
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- I'm not sure that does help, though, does it?
- Brilliant.
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If I'm being really honest with you, Simon.
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Yes, no, of course, very good.
Shall we go through?
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Given the potential significance of
the charter renewal process,
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for the future of the BBC and
everyone currently inside it,
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it's important that the visiting delegation
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feel as comprehensively met
and greeted as possible.
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- Fiona, hi.
- Hi, yes.
- Ian.
- Yes.
- Ian Fletcher.
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- Yes, no, Ian, I assumed as much.
- Well it's very good to meet you.
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Yes, no, you too. And this is Chloe and Zoe.
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- Right.
- Hello.
- Hi.
- Hello.
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You'll not be surprised to hear I'm forever
getting them mixed up.
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- Right.
- But really they don't seem to mind.
- No.
- No.
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Right, good. Er, you've met Simon, then.
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- Indeed we have, Ian, yes.
- Yes.
- Brilliant.
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Well, welcome to New Broadcasting House.
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- Yes, no, we've already done that bit.
- Oh, right, have you?
- Yes.
- Yes.
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- Fabulous.
- Well, what we...
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- Yes, hello, yes.
- Oh, right, OK. Anna.
- Yes, exactly, yes.
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As things turn out on this
particular normal morning,
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Anna Rampton also happens
to be down in reception in her
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role as Director of Better.
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- This is Anna Rampton, Director of Better.
- Oh, right.
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Yes, exactly, yes.
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Can I ask Director of Better what, Anna?
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- Yes, no, that...
- Brilliant.
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- The fact is, welcome to the BBC.
- Er, no, we've actually done that bit.
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- Yes.
- Yes.
- Right, OK.
- Good.
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- I mean, yes, I could've come by train,
without a doubt.
- Yes.
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But, for me, if you've got a decent car,
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you bloody want to drive somewhere.
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- Yes.
- I mean, it's not like you can drive a train.
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- No.
- OK, you can drive a train. I admit that.
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Like, if you're a train driver, but, for me,
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if you're driving a train you're only
ever going in one direction.
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- Do you know what I'm saying?
- Yes.
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Meanwhile, up on the sixth floor,
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Head of Inclusivity Lucy Freeman and
Head of Diversity Faiza Raja
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are leading Ryan Chelford towards his destiny.
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..sat on a train, drinking shit coffee
with people you don't know.
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And with the single New Head
of Empowerment role set to
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replace both their current roles,
quite possibly towards theirs.
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Clive.
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Oh, hi, Lucy. How are ya?
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Yes, I'm good, thanks. You made it, then.
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- 'Fraid so, yeah.
- Great, so...
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- Clive, we've not met before.
- Right.
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Faiza. Faiza Raja, Head of Diversity.
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- Oh, OK.
- Yes.
- Good to meet you.
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- Yeah, you too.
- You know Ryan, of course.
- Yep.
- Yes.
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- Yeah, hi, yeah.
- Clive Cook, BBC Head of Football.
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- Yeah, the main man.
- Well, let's not...
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- El misseurino le gaffer.
- What?
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- Nice one.
- OK, so we're in Mary Berry, I think.
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- Oh, are we?
- Yes, so...
- I thought it was Frankie Howard?
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- Yes.
- I booked Mary Berry.
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- Right.
- No, I booked Frankie Howard.
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Well, I'm sorry Has anyone booked a band?
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- What?
- At this rate we could have quite a party.
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NARRATOR: One of the distinctive features of the BBC's intelligent
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syncopatispace room booking software,
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is that if two people book different
rooms at exactly the same time
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and under exactly the same subject heading,
it crashes.
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- I have, I've pressed it twice and I...
- Shall we try mine?
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Fortunately, however,
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Head of Communications Tracy Pritchard
has arrived to help.
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Yes, we just thought it might be interesting
for you to meet him
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and just to get a sense of how someone like him
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- fits into our family.
- Yes, exactly, yes.
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Meanwhile, really not very far away now,
the visiting delegation
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from the DCM and also S
is getting closer almost by the yard.
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I think I'm right in saying that Ryan has already arrived.
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- Brilliant.
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Ah, yes, so this, er, actually, I might just, er...
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Will you excuse me if I just, er... Tracy, hi, yes.
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Yes, I know, we're just coming towards you now.
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- Right.
- They may be walking towards
a potential disaster, but luckily
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potential disasters are one of
Tracy Pritchard's key areas of expertise.
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Anyway, at the moment, they're both locked.
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- Right.
- Like we physically can't get in.
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- Right.
- I dunno where Faiza's appeared from?
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- Right.
- I'm not being negative or anything,
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- but I have got a very bad feeling about this.
- Right.
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I've gotta say, Ian, from where
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I'm standing this has all the makings
of a category A, 100%,
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platinum standard fuck up.
438
00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,000
OK, fine. Thanks, Tracy, that's great.
439
00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:28,840
OK. Good.
440
00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,000
Ryan, hi.
441
00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:43,840
- Yeah, Ryan, yeah.
- Ian Fletcher.
442
00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:45,280
- Yeah.
- Good to see you again.
443
00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,480
- Yeah, nice one, Ian, yeah.
- Thanks for coming in today.
444
00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,080
Yeah, no worries, Ian, yeah.
445
00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,200
My new agent's supposed
to be here somewhere.
446
00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,400
But do you know what? For me,
she's just not turned up.
447
00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,080
Right, well, let me just make a few introductions first.
448
00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,960
So this is Fiona Craig from
the Department of Culture, Media
449
00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,400
- and, interestingly enough, also Sport.
- Nice one.
450
00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,200
With the possible exception of
the person at the centre of it,
451
00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,640
everyone involved in the meeting
understands not only how
452
00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,880
important it is that it runs smoothly,
but also how remote
453
00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,840
a prospect that is given the number
of people involved.
454
00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,680
And finally, Tracy Pritchard,
Senior Communications person.
455
00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:16,800
- Yes. - Hello.
456
00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:18,640
Can I just say, Fiona, welcome
457
00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:20,440
- No, the fact is we've done that.
- Oh, right.
458
00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:21,520
- Yes.
- Yes.
- Yes.
459
00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,160
But not being able to say
with any certainty where the meeting
460
00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,800
actually is isn't an ideal start.
461
00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,720
OK, well, we're in Nadia Hussain,
I think, aren't we?
462
00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:31,880
- - Er, we...
- Ye...yes. - Nadia Hussain?
463
00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,480
- I think so, yes, so that's all good.
- Yes, no brilliant, no, listen.
464
00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,880
- I'm going to have to leave you guys, I'm afraid.
- Oh, right.
465
00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,840
- If that's going to be...
- Yes, fine.
- Frankly, rather a Tony-facing morning...
466
00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:41,880
- No, that's good for us, really.
- Right.
- Yes.
- Yes.
467
00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,040
- Fabulously exciting to meet you.
- Yes, you too.
468
00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:45,840
And don't take any nonsense from these guys, OK?
469
00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,200
- That we won't, Simon.
- Brilliant, er, right. Good-o.
470
00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,160
- Right, OK.
- OK, so if everyone would like to just follow me?
471
00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:57,320
- How's it going?
- How's it going?
472
00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,280
- Yes.
- I feel like I want to cry.
473
00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,600
It'll be fine, OK? It's going to be absolutely fine.
474
00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:02,720
Not if I cry it won't.
475
00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:04,680
You won't cry. Question Of Sport was your idea.
476
00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,280
It's a brilliant solution, OK?
477
00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,760
Should have been bloody Top Gear
and them bloody cars!
478
00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,880
- Yes, Well, maybe keep that for
emergency use, if I were you.
- Yes.
479
00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:13,360
Right, OK.
480
00:20:13,360 --> 00:20:15,920
Eventually, the routine meeting with Ryan Chelford
481
00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:17,680
is inexorably under way.
482
00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,120
OK, well, so just to say officially, then,
welcome to Ryan.
483
00:20:20,120 --> 00:20:21,520
- Yes, exactly, yes.
- Yes.
484
00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,400
- Hey.
- And also welcome to Fiona,
485
00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,840
Chloe and Zoe from the DCM and also S,
even though,
486
00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,800
for the purposes of this, they're
not actually here, of course.
487
00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,160
- Exactly so, Ian.
- No.
- No.
488
00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,160
Well, what do you mean they're not here?
489
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,320
Right, OK, so I suppose the first thing to say...
490
00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:37,880
- Hey, guys.
- Right.
491
00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:39,880
Oh, yeah, nice to meet ya. Oh, hey, Siobhan.
492
00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,200
Hey. You look gorgeous.
493
00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:42,480
Oh, right, OK.
494
00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,760
But just when it looks as if
everything might be under
495
00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:46,840
control again, it's suddenly become clear
496
00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,320
that following his recent rise
to social media eminence,
497
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,520
Ryan Chelford has signed to Fun Media,
that Siobhan Sharpe is
498
00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:56,440
now his new agent, and that in her mind
the future is gender fluid.
499
00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,800
Literally sitting on the next
Gayson Perry here, right?
500
00:20:58,800 --> 00:20:59,960
- Yes.
- Grayson Perry.
501
00:20:59,960 --> 00:21:01,560
No, sure, exactly. It's a no-brainer.
502
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,400
Yes, so I was just saying, Siobhan,
503
00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,440
perhaps the first thing to say is,
504
00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,720
- how excited we are at the prospect of
working with Ryan here at the BBC.
- Yes.
505
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,200
- Yay!
- I mean, certainly from an empowerment point of view.
506
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:12,880
- Yes, exactly.
- Yes.
- Go, Ryan.
507
00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:14,680
Yes, so I guess the practical question,
508
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,760
aside from the bigger issues for a moment,
is how and where best
509
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,800
to employ Ryan's talents within the many things
that the BBC does.
510
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,760
- Yes, exactly.
- Yes.
- Cool.
511
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:23,880
- I mean, Clive...
- Yeah?
512
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,440
..I know you've got some thoughts about
how you see Ryan's
513
00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,520
role in relation to Match Of The Day itself.
514
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:32,200
Yeah. So, obviously we were lucky enough
to have Ryan on our midweek
515
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,760
- FA Cup Third Round highlight package.
- Yes.
- No worries.
516
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,400
But we found... We debrief after every show,
obviously,
517
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,480
and we found ourselves asking
whether Match Of The Day
518
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,880
represents the best possible
fit for Ryan's talents going forward.
519
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:46,240
- Right, OK.
- Yes.
520
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,640
- So if that's the case...
- No, I'm sorry, guys, sorry, Clive.
521
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,520
- What are you saying there?
- Yes, exactly.
522
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,800
I mean, cos for me, I'm sat here, I've drove all
523
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,040
- the way down from Cheshire,
do you know what I'm saying?
- Yes.
524
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:56,960
- You SO have. - Though saying that, I did stay
525
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:58,920
with a mate in Rickmansworth last night.
526
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,760
Right. No, this is very much about
exploring possibilities and being
527
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,720
prepared to go beyond the obvious
to make sure we get this right.
528
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:05,960
- Yes.
- Exactly, yes.
529
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,840
- Totally.
- Yes, so very much with that spirit in mind,
erm, Lucy has come
530
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,400
up with what we think is potentially
a really interesting idea.
531
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,320
- Yes.
- All right.
- Well, no.
532
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:15,680
I've gotta say, I agree.
533
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,640
I won't say any more, I'll let Lucy talk us through it.
534
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:18,720
Yes.
535
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,640
- But we'd be very interested to see
- what you think. OK. Nice one.
536
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:22,760
OK, well...
537
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,320
Sorry, Lucy, sorry, Ian,
538
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,960
but just to check, this isn't A Question Of Sport,
is it?
539
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,040
- Well, I mean yes, what?
- A Question Of Sport?
540
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,080
- Well, perhaps...
- What? Do you mean with Sue what's her name?
- Exactly.
541
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:33,200
I mean, I'm sorry, the fact is
542
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,440
- I just don't think that's going to work.
- Well, that's...
543
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,440
The fact is we're talking about over
half a million followers on Twitter now.
544
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,880
- A lot of them in the LGBT community.
- Yes.
- Yay!
545
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,400
- This isn't about hiding him away on a quiz show.
- No, no.
546
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,880
The fact is, this is about having a face,
like Ryan's face,
547
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,320
as a regular presence on a show
like the Match Of The Day.
548
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:49,480
- Yes, exactly.
- Yes.
549
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:50,680
- OK, cool.
- Right, OK.
550
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,160
Let's do it, lets do this thing.
551
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,160
I mean, Clive, given what you've said already
552
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,360
I don't know what your reaction is to that as...
553
00:22:56,360 --> 00:23:00,560
Yeah, so I think probably the thing to say
about that is, from our point of view,
it's not going to happen.
554
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,080
- Right, OK.
- Yes, I've gotta say, guys, I thought so.
555
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:04,160
Bummer.
556
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,600
Yeah, hey, this is me on my bike.
557
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,360
This is me on my bike.
558
00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:12,960
Meanwhile, elsewhere, Development Executive
Izzy Gould is busy
559
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,120
reviewing developments with what was
On Your Bike before it's
560
00:23:16,120 --> 00:23:18,680
recent transformation into someone else's idea.
561
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:22,720
- Hey.
- Oh, hi.
562
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,520
- It's not bad, is it?
- What are you doing here?
563
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:25,800
- Nothing.
- What do you want?
564
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,040
- Brought you coffee.
- Coffee?
565
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:28,200
- Yes.
- What for?
566
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,200
I dunno, to drink, I guess.
567
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,040
Unless you want to do something else with it?
568
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,200
- Can I sit here for a minute?
- There's someone there.
569
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,480
No, I know. Just for a minute, that's all.
I won't even put my coffee down, look
570
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,320
So, David Wilks has somehow managed
to set up a meeting with
571
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,880
Matt Taverner and Siobhan Sharpe
about the BBC Me launch,
572
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,560
- I mean, about everything.
- Right.
573
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:46,680
Er, so I'm going to go.
574
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,440
- And what about Will?
- Will.
575
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,360
- Yes.
- Just come to the meeting,
OK? Why wouldn't you?
576
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,720
I mean, I'm sorry, but this isn't actually
about diversity, is it?
577
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:06,880
No, I'm sorry...
578
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,720
On which, by the way, I'm very proud
of our record on Match Of The Day.
579
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,120
I'm sorry, the fact is,
this is really about empowerment.
580
00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:13,400
- Exactly.
- OK.
- Yes.
581
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,600
- Yes.
- I mean, I thought we were supposed
to be on the same side here, aren't we?
- Well, yes.
582
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,960
Can I just say, guys, I certainly am.
583
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,360
Yeah, you don't want to start
arguing with yourselves.
584
00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:24,000
- No, well...
- I mean, I'm sorry, for me, that's poor thinking.
585
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,280
Back in Nadia Hussain,
586
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,600
things are getting more normal virtually by the minute.
587
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,120
With respect, Clive, the fact is
it's not for you to say what is
588
00:24:30,120 --> 00:24:31,640
and isn't an empowerment issue.
589
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,280
In this particular case I think it is.
590
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,760
- In this particular case it absolutely isn't.
- Yes, it is.
591
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,960
OK, so we've got both sides
of the argument pretty much
592
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:39,920
- nailed down now, so that's all good.
- Cool.
593
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,000
As Head of Values, Ian is aware
that the last thing that needs to
594
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,240
happen is for the BBC's current
Head of Diversity to have
595
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,040
a full-scale argument about
a cross dressing presenter with
596
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,600
the BBC Head of Football in front of a visiting team
597
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,160
from the Department of Culture, Media
and also Sport.
598
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,680
I mean, it seems to me, Faiza,
that your point is about having
599
00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,560
a face like Ryan's on a flagship show,
600
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,520
which you could argue has been
too narrowly gendered up to now.
601
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,280
- Exactly, yes. - Yes, exactly, yes.
602
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,080
And Clive's point is that Match Of
The Day itself may not actually
603
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,800
be the most effective context
in which to address this issue.
604
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,600
- Yeah, is it?
- Yes. I think so, yes.
605
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,400
- Right, OK.
- No, cos I'm just thinking, Lucy, the other idea
606
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,120
you had, of course, knowing
Ryan's interests and strengths
607
00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:19,800
and you might want to say more
about how you came to this,
608
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,480
was whether there might be
a role for him somewhere in Top Gear.
609
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,520
- Yes, er...
- Top Gear?
- Yes, no.
610
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:26,920
- You're kidding me?
- Blimey.
611
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:27,960
Holy shit.
612
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,680
- I just wondered whether...
- Sure.
613
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,200
- I wondered whether that might be an interesting thing...
- Sure.
- I mean for Top Gear too.
614
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:34,960
- Yes.
- No, sure, I TOTALLY watch that.
615
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,760
I mean, you've gotta say, guys,
whatever you think of Top Gear and
616
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,680
obviously I never watch it myself,
but that really is a big idea.
617
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,080
Well, yes.
618
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,040
Obviously there'd be some in-house issues
we'd have to navigate our way through.
619
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,040
- Yes, no, but in principle - In principle, yes.
620
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,560
- Cool!
- And, you know, it's our job to think big thoughts
621
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,680
and maybe that's something you might
be able to help with anyway, Anna?
622
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,480
- Yes, exactly, yes.
- I mean, Ryan...
623
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:55,600
I mean, I love this.
624
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,800
I totally love it when this shit happens.
625
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,320
And, yes, so, Ryan, I mean,
I don't know, er, what your...
626
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,080
OK, for me, right, excuse my language,
right, I'm sorry,
627
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,160
- but, Lisa, I bloody love you.
- Well, no...
628
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,760
I mean, you've come here,
you've sat there, you've said nothing.
629
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,200
Just, it was something I think
I could see working, that's all.
630
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,800
- That, for me, is top-top thinking.
- Yep, me too, yeah.
631
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,920
- Right, well.
- Good job, guys.
- And so, we move on.
632
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,840
So, can I just say, cos I know
we're not supposed to be here,
633
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,800
I don't know what it was like for you guys,
but this is
634
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,440
probably the most fun we've had
in quite some time, isn't it, girls?
635
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,560
- Yes.
- Yes.
- Right, so, yes, potentially, then, that's all good.
636
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,000
- Yes.
- Yes.
637
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,120
- Ah, hi.
- Yes, hi, yes.
638
00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:49,120
- Yes.
- TANNOY:
- Doors opening.
639
00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:51,000
Eventually it's the end of the day,
640
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,000
with another potential disaster
at the last moment somehow
641
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,000
turned into a potential solution.
642
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,600
Anyway, I suppose the main thing
is we got through another day.
643
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,720
- Yes.
- If that's a good thing?
- Yes.
644
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,120
Forgive me asking, and obviously
t's none of my business,
645
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:05,280
- but have you decided what you're doing yet?
- About?
646
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,800
- You know, with the job and...
- Oh, right, yes, erm...
647
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,880
It's also a day which has left
Lucy thoughtful about whether to apply
648
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,920
for the new Head of Empowerment post,
or to embrace the new
649
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,400
More Of Less initiative even more enthusiastically
650
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:17,720
by leaving altogether.
651
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,560
- I didn't really want to apply for the job I've got.
- Well, no, I remember.
- Never mind this one.
652
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,200
- You were going to work in a garden centre.
- Yes.
653
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,280
- Yeah, I dunno, I think it's going to
be easier to start again.
- Yes, all right.
654
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,720
But it turns out that Lusy isn't
the only one with a knotty
655
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,640
- problem to grapple with.
- Hi.
656
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,320
- Yeah, hi, yeah.
- Yes, hi, yes.
657
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:34,600
- Hi, Anna.
- Yes, exactly.
658
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,600
- Everything OK?
- Yes.
- Yeah, I dunno, I've never seen one do this before.
659
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,280
- Well, I would offer to help but...
- Yes.
- I think Will's probably...
660
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,800
- Yeah, no worries, yeah, cool.
- Yes, exactly, you can go now.
661
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,640
- Yeah, no, but...
- Thank you.
- OK.
- Right, erm...
- Yes.
662
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,400
- I mean, I really don't want to interfere, Will.
- Yeah, no worries, yeah.
- Yes, exactly, yes.
663
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,120
- OK.
- Right, er...
664
00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:54,720
For Ian, after a long day, this is a chance
to demonstrate just
665
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,200
how rapidly you can transform
an apparently random arrangement
666
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,080
of steel, rubber, handlebars and
other things into a completely
667
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,520
different arrangement twice its real size
if you really want to.
668
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,000
Er, just the pedal there.
669
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,280
- There, that's it and there you go, done.
- Yes, thank you.
670
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:10,520
- OK, well...
- Yes.
671
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,320
- Don't forget helmet and lights.
- Yeah, no, exactly. No.
672
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,200
- Wouldn't want anything to happen to you.
- Yes.
673
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,040
- OK.
- Thank you.
674
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,280
Shall I just...
675
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:19,320
Yes, exactly, yes.
676
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,800
- OK, there you go.
- Yes.
677
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,920
- See you tomorrow.
- Yes, exactly, yes.
678
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,920
Oh, right, OK, good.
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