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Anna Wintour:
We were thinking
very long and hard
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about what to do about
our anniversary issue.
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And I have made a very big
thing over the years
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of not celebrating
anniversaries,
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always making the point
that one should look forward
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rather than backwards.
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The whole way that we look
at fashion today
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has shifted
so dramatically.
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There was a sense certainly
when I first came to "Vogue"
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that people were a little bit
embarrassed by it.
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Fashion
is so universal now.
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It has sort of been
embraced by everybody.
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But, to me, that's what's
so interesting about fashion,
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is that fashion
is a reflection
of our times.
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Fashion can tell you
everything that's going on
in the world
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with a strong
fashion image.
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And the people
responsible
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for the fashion
images in "Vogue"
are the fashion editors.
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They have always been
our secret weapon.
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So it seemed to me that
we could celebrate "Vogue,"
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celebrate the history
of women,
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and also
at the same time
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celebrate
these great editors.
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They're really the producers,
the directors,
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the psychiatrists,
the writers.
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They are really
the people that produce
these great, famous images
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that "Vogue" has
such a rich history of.
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Beautiful.
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Narrator:
When you're enjoying
your favorite magazine,
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you ever wonder
what went into its making?
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Come behind the scenes.
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This is a meeting
of the editorial staff
to plan the new issue.
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What does
a fashion editor do?
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Well, a fashion editor, uh...
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is really...
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Alors,
a fashion editor
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do a lot of work,
meaning...
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Not a lot.
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A fashion editor
doesn't do very much.
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Ahem.
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Let me just think
about this.
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If you don't know now,
I guess you never will.
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Haven't you spoken
to everybody?
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I didn't even know
that they existed.
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I can't answer
that question.
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It would take
too long.
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Uh, it's about
making an image.
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But how we get there
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is almost impossible
to explain.
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Essentially, what you're
doing is collaborating
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with a photographer
to create an image
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that reflects the fashion
you're trying to capture
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and also hold a mirror
up to the zeitgeist
of the moment.
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Your memory
of fashion really is
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an editor's vision
of fashion through
a captured image.
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It's iconic fashion images
that you remember.
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Your memory of fashion
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really is fashion photography
rather than fashion itself.
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They give us access
to another world.
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They give us access
to dreams.
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Sarah Jessica Parker:
You know, it's like
reading a book
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about a life that
you'll never occupy.
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But that's the beauty
of being transported.
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Well, it makes you dream.
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I think when you
read "Vogue,"
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it's a big fantasy
every month.
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Kidman:
It's our way of living
in a different realm
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for a short period
of time.
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And how beautiful
is that?
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Narrator:
In the studio,
the fashion editor
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sees that those ideas
are worked out
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in terms of pictures.
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Bowles:
It was a more intimate process
half a century ago,
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but the fashion editor's role
has remained exactly the same.
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Narrator:
The fashion editor
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seeing that everything's
just right--
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model strikes a pose,
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the photographer says,
"Hold it,"
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and the camera clicks.
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Bowles:
The extraordinary
thing is that
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each of the fashion editors
at "Vogue"
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has a completely different
take on fashion,
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a different
personal aesthetic,
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a very different sense
of what they want
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a fashion photograph
to say and to express.
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Oh, so you haven't
written it?
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Okay, okay.
Right, right.
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Bowles:
Grace Coddington obviously
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is the unassailable
fashion editor
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par excellence.
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You know, I like
kind of lighting it up
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with a pink-colored pant
or something.
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Bowles:
She has an extremely
romantic,
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sort of poetic vision
in a way.
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She likes her stories to have
a narrative thread.
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And then there's always
going to be
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something sort of magical
about the way it's presented.
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Wintour:
She comes from
a very small town in Wales.
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Growing up, she used
to adore "Vogue."
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I mean, I don't think
that anyone but Grace
can create
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the kind of
photography essays
that we do.
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Bowles:
She's unrelenting
in the pursuit
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of the image
that she wants.
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Not a redhead
for nothing.
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Coddington:
It was my idea to do
"Alice in Wonderland."
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You know, all those
fairy stories
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are quite dark,
actually.
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They're all full
of drugs and darkness
and things like this.
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So they're interesting
to illustrate
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because it's not
just Walt Disney sweet.
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It was Anna's idea
to cast all the designers
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as the characters.
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Wintour:
It was really
the beginning of a time
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when the designers
were starting to become
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such superstars
themselves.
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Now it's kind of
matter-of-fact
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that Marc Jacobs will get
mobbed in the street.
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It wasn't like that
back then.
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She wanted me to play
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the caterpillar
smoking hookah, right?
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And I had torn a tendon
in my finger,
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so I was like,
"Grace, I just went
through this operation.
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Do I really have--"
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And she was like,
"Well, there's no other dates
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and you've got to do it."
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Originally, I said no.
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And then I got a call
from Grace.
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Then I got a call
from Anna.
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You know, you can never
say no to Grace.
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Coddington:
We shot it with Natalia,
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who's really a favorite
model of mine.
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Did my eyes just lit up?
Did you see that?
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I'm a big, big fan
of Grace.
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Just even watching her work
is fascinating.
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Wintour:
It's really like
storyboarding a film.
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Grace looked
at every possible book
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of different drawings
of "Alice in Wonderland,"
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different editions
of "Alice in Wonderland."
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Vodianova:
Grace sent me
the books to read
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before I did the shoot.
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Months of preparation,
of research,
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of conversation,
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and then I am
the lucky one
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who ends up
in the picture.
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Coddington:
She's stepping through
the mirror,
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and somehow everything
was back to front.
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She's stepping through
the mirror this way,
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and all the ruffles
and detail was here
and the camera's here.
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So she said, "Can we put
this dress on back to front?"
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And I said, "No, we can't,
actually. No."
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And, you know, I saw
Nicolas Ghesquière,
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from Balenciaga,
going slightly pale.
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Ghesquière:
I remember Grace
looking at me and said,
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"Can you do something?"
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And I was like, "Okay.
How long do you give me?"
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And she said,
"Half an hour."
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I said, "45 minutes?"
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And it was
a very fancy dress.
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It was very intricate
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with all these crazy ruffles
in the back.
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We went to the van.
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He took it
completely apart
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and put all the ruffles
on the other side.
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And we shot it.
But-- [ laughs ]
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But it was-- oh, my God,
it's back to front.
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It was like-- ugh.
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Well, it's the mishaps
that make it fun
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and brings you
the surprise.
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I mean, God forbid
that a shoot would be perfect.
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Grace wouldn't have anything
to complain about.
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Fashion is such a fairy tale
and it is such a fantasy.
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And it is about metamorphosis
and sort of changing yourself
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and playing a part
that you want people to see.
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Interviewer:
Do you feel that there's
something of a metaphor
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about that fairy tale
for the fashion world?
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Not really, no.
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No, sorry.
You can't lead me there.
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No.
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Wintour:
Back when the magazine
first began,
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it was very much
a social magazine
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focusing on the women
of society.
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Shawn Waldron:
Then, it was all illustration.
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It really wasn't until
Condé Nast bought it in 1909
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that he changed the focus--
much more on women's fashion.
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And he first
introduced photography,
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shooting not only
society women,
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but fashion as well.
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Narrator:
Lee Miller, another
of the magazine's stars,
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is busy on
one of her features,
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which bring readers
glimpses of what's going on
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in foreign lands.
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Bowles:
Lee Miller had had
this extraordinary
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relationship with "Vogue."
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She was one
of the most beloved
models in the magazine.
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And eventually, she'd take
photographs herself.
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She wasn't
a fashion editor per se,
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but her extraordinary career
shows how front and center
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women have always been
in shaping the magazine.
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Kidman: At one point,
I was going to make a film
about Lee Miller.
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She came alive
during the war.
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What's actually
tragic about it
is that in that chaos
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was when her art form
came to life.
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The most shocking image
that I've seen
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is the Lee Miller reporting
that came back
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when the second
World War ended.
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This is the Buchenwald
concentration camp at Weimar.
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Bowles:
I guess it was kind of
a brave decision of the editor
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to publish
those pictures.
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They're certainly not
the sort of images
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one expected to see
in a fashion magazine
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and was a turning point
in "Vogue's" history.
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[ music playing,
crowd cheering ]
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It really marked a dramatic
break with the past.
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America was a very, very
different place after the war.
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Susan Train:
It was just the photographer
and me, and that was all.
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No hairdressers,
no makeup people,
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no Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer
epic production.
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There was an outfit
from Balenciaga
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that we wanted
to photograph,
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and the girl is to run
up the steps
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and the scarf is to fly
in the breeze.
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Well, the scarf
didn't fly
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and the girl was tripping
up and down.
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I was desperate.
I didn't know what to do.
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So I finally tied
a thread to the scarf
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and I ran up the stairs
behind the girl,
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waving the scarf
in the breeze.
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Bowles:
It really took
Vreeland in the '60s
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to shake things up
most dramatically.
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Train:
Diana had a very vivid way
of expressing herself.
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It was all vibes
and images and--
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I mean, girls used to come
out of her office--
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"What did she say?"
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Vreeland:
I have that reputation
of not being easy.
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But naturally,
I expect someone to do
as much work as I do.
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Anyone who thinks otherwise
must be insane.
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Bowles:
Vreeland expresses
the whole kind of giddy,
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liberated, crazy,
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"Youthquake" moment
of the '60s.
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I wanted to get
where the action was.
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Narrator:
What's it like
to fly in a jet?
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Train:
Jet planes had just
come into our lives
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and Diana decreed
that the December issue
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was going to be
an issue of wonders.
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Because in the old days,
if you wanted to go to Egypt,
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you didn't go
for a weekend;
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you went
for several months.
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But with the jets,
you could go anyplace.
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So the first trip we made
was to India.
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And, of course,
India in September,
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which was immediately after
the rains, was a sauna bath.
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We get to this Hall
of Gods and Heroes,
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and they didn't mind at all
that we were climbing
all over--
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as long as we did--
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the only thing was
you couldn't wear shoes.
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Leather, of course.
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[ jet engine roaring ]
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This is in Istanbul.
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I seemed to have spent
a great deal of time
looking for camels.
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Or Henry would say,
"What we really need
is a camel."
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And, thank God,
over the horizon
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would come somebody
leading a camel.
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It was brand-new
to show these places.
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Nowadays, there's a road up
to the top of this mountain.
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But then
it was an adventure.
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And on the way down
this terrible mountain,
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a little corporal said,
"Are you Peace Corps?"
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I say grandly,
"Oh, no, not at all.
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We're 'Vogue.'"
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Polly Mellen:
We've got to have this jacket.
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We've got
to have this jacket.
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We've got to have
this sweater.
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Mm.
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I used to say
I was the spoiled brat
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of the fashion world,
and I was.
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[ laughs ]
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But I worked very hard
and loved it.
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Oh, my God!
[ laughs ]
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Oh, God, Polly.
I have to say the truth.
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Brutal.
It was brutal.
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I mean
absolutely brutal.
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Bowles:
The fashion department
was just a no-go zone.
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I mean, assistants would be
in tears night after night.
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Things would be hurled
around the offices.
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You know,
Polly herself was
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just an extraordinary
powerhouse of pizazz
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and she just understood
perfectly
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that balance
of fashion photograph--
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telling you
about the clothes,
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but telling you so much more
at the same time.
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When you've been through
the "Polly Mellen school
of sittings,"
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you are never
the same again.
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Mellen:
It was my first shoot
at "Vogue"
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and Mrs. Vreeland said to me
is my passport in order?
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"Because we want you to go
to Japan with Dick Avedon."
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And I was like, "Oh."
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All the other editors
wanted this plum sitting,
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and it was given to me,
this new person on the block.
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It was called
"The Great Fur Caravan."
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I traveled
with 15 trunks.
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We were there
for five weeks.
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I mean, how fast
are sittings done today?
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Three days?
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It was the most expensive trip
ever done at "Vogue"
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and never
will happen again.
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I love this picture.
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Our lovely warrior
Veruschka,
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I mean,
giving it her all.
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I realized from
the other editors
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there was some jealousy.
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I spoke to Mrs. Vreeland
about it
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and Mrs. Vreeland said,
"Polly, who needs friends?
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Get on with it."
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There's a certain loneliness
to being a fashion editor,
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the most important thing
being to bring back
the pictures
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that will make
the difference.
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I was called into
Mrs. Vreeland's office
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and Grace
was standing by.
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They embraced me
and clapped.
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And I cried.
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I am quite
an emotional person.
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It was wonderful
storytelling.
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Beautiful Avedon pictures.
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The clothes,
as wonderful as they were,
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never were bought
by stores.
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They were just not,
in any sense of the word,
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about today.
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The reader was changing.
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The clothes were changing.
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Everything was changing.
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And suddenly,
fashion magazines--
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nobody seemed to be
buying them.
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There's no question I thought
everything we were doing
was excessive.
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I was extremely upset
when Mrs. Vreeland left.
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And so I talked about
the office "going beige."
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I gave the impression,
I think,
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now we're dealing
with mediocrity.
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Mirabella:
When I became editor,
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the whole staff was asked
to come down and meet me.
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And I talked about
ease in dressing,
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ease in motion.
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I had a vision for--
something for a modern woman
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in the middle
of the Women's Movement.
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Polly Mellen put up
her hand and said,
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"Grace, I'm the one person
who doesn't understand
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what you're
talking about.
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Could you
go through it again?"
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Bowles:
Polly intuited immediately
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that it was
a very different era
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with Grace Mirabella,
who didn't want fantasy.
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She wanted fashion stories
that were informational,
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that were really useful
to the readers.
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Mellen:
What started out
as a fragrance shoot--
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and it turned into
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a very sexual shoot.
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When I would go to market
in the West Indies,
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I was always conscious
that the women sat
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in a dress pushed down
between their knees.
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And when you talk to somebody
like Helmut Newton
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about something like that,
he takes it farther.
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I mean, is she going to
or has she done it?
365
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Has it happened?
What is the story here?
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This is something that "Vogue"
had never shown before.
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The woman was always
the object of desire,
you know?
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And suddenly, you had
a woman who was clearly
thinking about sex
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and had powerful,
lustful thoughts.
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And it was
kind of incredible
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that that was sort of
captured in a picture.
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I mean, this all sounds
so insane to be saying now,
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but in the context
of what came before,
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it was really radical.
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Trouble.
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00:20:14,241 --> 00:20:16,172
Here comes the trouble.
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The famous picture
in the baths.
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Bowles:
It was certainly a very,
very unconventional way
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of presenting clothes.
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Bathhouses in the mid '70s
had so many connotations.
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I don't know where to begin,
really, but...
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Mellen:
As each girl
came onto the set,
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it began to turn into
something very special.
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I mean, Deborah took
each girl separately
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and explained
what she wanted.
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There's a disconnect
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from one girl
to the other.
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It's not happy.
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00:20:55,862 --> 00:21:00,413
It's very
thought-provoking.
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It's a little surreal.
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We got a lot of letters
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of people who didn't
like them,
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like my own family,
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who thought they were
unnecessary and unpleasant
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and taking advantage
of women
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in a sad situation.
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I never saw that.
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And I think
that sometimes
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you have to take a risk.
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My first day at "Vogue,"
I had been living in Paris.
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I had my nail polish
done in red
402
00:21:44,137 --> 00:21:47,758
and I had
a little Hermès bag
at the time.
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00:21:47,862 --> 00:21:52,689
Everybody else was dressed
in pants and flats.
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00:21:52,793 --> 00:21:54,448
Polly Mellen said to me,
"Where do you think
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you're going
dressed like that?
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You're going
on a sitting with me
407
00:21:59,310 --> 00:22:02,620
and you're going
to be unpacking what
we call "coffins,"
408
00:22:02,724 --> 00:22:04,517
and you're not going
to be able to run around
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with red shoes
and a white crêpe dress.
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Go home and change."
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00:22:13,241 --> 00:22:16,344
When I started at "Vogue,"
it was the real era of
the working woman.
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I know that sounds
so archaic now.
413
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Wintour:
In the '70s,
the whole world
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started to look
at the American working woman
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and what she symbolized--
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change in the way
everybody looked at
the role of women.
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All eyes really, I think,
switched to the United States
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and, because of that,
American "Vogue."
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So that was
a huge, huge switch.
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Women were coming
to the working place.
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00:22:42,137 --> 00:22:45,413
Unfortunately,
they were wearing sneakers
with their suits.
422
00:22:45,517 --> 00:22:47,206
I remember French people
were laughing.
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It was a caricature
of an American woman
for French people.
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Wang:
So we tried
to encourage women
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that you can
feminize the suit.
426
00:22:55,137 --> 00:22:57,275
You can still
be stylish.
427
00:22:57,379 --> 00:22:59,275
You don't have to look
like a man.
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00:22:59,379 --> 00:23:02,448
So I ended up doing
a lot of suits.
429
00:23:02,551 --> 00:23:03,551
You know, you have
to think a lot
430
00:23:03,655 --> 00:23:06,931
to restyle a suit
constantly.
431
00:23:07,034 --> 00:23:09,310
There was a Doberman
brought in
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in this series
to tug on the dress.
433
00:23:12,620 --> 00:23:17,000
Well, he actually started
to want to bite Christie.
434
00:23:17,103 --> 00:23:18,482
This was not Photoshopped.
435
00:23:18,586 --> 00:23:21,310
In those days,
there was no such thing.
436
00:23:21,413 --> 00:23:24,482
The trainer kept
feeding him steak,
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00:23:24,586 --> 00:23:27,862
huge amounts of steak
to the dog.
438
00:23:27,965 --> 00:23:31,551
And then he grabbed the dress
and ripped it to shreds.
439
00:23:31,655 --> 00:23:34,689
Ripped Geoffrey Beene's
heather grey jersey--
440
00:23:34,793 --> 00:23:37,689
see, I still remember--
to shreds.
441
00:23:37,793 --> 00:23:40,103
[ laughs ]
That's always been
the attitude
442
00:23:40,206 --> 00:23:42,034
of "Vogue's"
sittings editors--
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anything or everything
for the picture.
444
00:23:47,724 --> 00:23:49,931
Jade Hobson:
Our working woman
445
00:23:50,034 --> 00:23:51,931
didn't look like any man
in a grey flannel suit.
446
00:23:52,034 --> 00:23:54,000
It was anything
but boring.
447
00:23:55,827 --> 00:23:57,965
I used to wear
little binoculars
448
00:23:58,068 --> 00:24:00,206
so I could
check details--
449
00:24:00,310 --> 00:24:02,965
you know,
what the photographer
was seeing.
450
00:24:03,068 --> 00:24:05,965
I have a pair
around my neck here.
451
00:24:06,068 --> 00:24:08,724
And I think I had
a camera, too.
452
00:24:10,689 --> 00:24:13,068
Before I went to "Vogue,"
I loved taking photographs.
453
00:24:13,172 --> 00:24:16,000
And, you know, as soon
as I started working
with the greats,
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that was the end
of that career.
455
00:24:18,724 --> 00:24:21,896
This was a shoot
with Chris von Wangenheim
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and Patti Hansen.
457
00:24:24,379 --> 00:24:26,620
We kind of grew up together,
Patti and I.
458
00:24:26,724 --> 00:24:30,103
Patti was our model of choice,
I would say.
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00:24:30,206 --> 00:24:31,517
Everybody loved Patti.
460
00:24:31,620 --> 00:24:33,793
Bowles:
Patti Hansen
was the embodiment
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00:24:33,896 --> 00:24:35,965
of what the magazine
was all about--
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00:24:36,068 --> 00:24:40,241
the great gleaming
white teeth, blonde-haired,
463
00:24:40,344 --> 00:24:43,827
all-American, sporty,
attainable beauty.
464
00:24:43,931 --> 00:24:46,448
She was the golden girl
next door.
465
00:24:47,793 --> 00:24:49,344
It so happened
that she had just
466
00:24:49,448 --> 00:24:51,103
fallen in love
with Keith Richards
467
00:24:51,206 --> 00:24:53,620
and she decided
to bring him along.
468
00:24:53,724 --> 00:24:56,275
Patti Hansen:
I've never taken
a boyfriend on a trip.
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You know, I tell my daughters,
"Don't do that.
470
00:24:57,965 --> 00:24:59,793
You know,
do your job
471
00:24:59,896 --> 00:25:01,344
and keep your
personal life separate."
472
00:25:01,448 --> 00:25:03,000
Here's Patti.
473
00:25:03,103 --> 00:25:05,241
And Keith was
right over here
474
00:25:05,344 --> 00:25:08,620
with his guitar,
strumming,
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00:25:08,724 --> 00:25:11,551
serenading her
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00:25:11,655 --> 00:25:14,655
as the shots
were being taken.
477
00:25:14,758 --> 00:25:17,517
Hansen:
And it was romantic
and it was crazy.
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Um...
479
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and I wish I had the photos
from that time.
480
00:25:23,517 --> 00:25:24,896
You're going
to show me a shot?
481
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,551
You can just
scroll through.
482
00:25:29,034 --> 00:25:31,103
Oh, my goodness.
483
00:25:32,827 --> 00:25:35,379
[ laughing ]
484
00:25:35,482 --> 00:25:38,862
Oh, my goodness.
I wish I looked like that now.
485
00:25:40,206 --> 00:25:43,000
It could start the romance
all over again.
486
00:25:43,103 --> 00:25:44,517
I mean, they were
so in love.
487
00:25:44,620 --> 00:25:47,517
It was almost
embarrassing.
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00:25:58,965 --> 00:26:00,344
Mellen:
We were in Los Angeles
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and we had already
started the shoot.
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We were doing fashion,
491
00:26:06,206 --> 00:26:07,931
just kind of
fashion pictures.
492
00:26:08,034 --> 00:26:09,551
They were okay.
493
00:26:09,655 --> 00:26:12,655
And I said, "Do you have
any special things
494
00:26:12,758 --> 00:26:14,931
that you like?"
495
00:26:15,034 --> 00:26:18,310
And she said,
"I like snakes."
496
00:26:18,413 --> 00:26:20,482
I said,
"You like snakes?"
497
00:26:20,586 --> 00:26:24,068
So we called
an animal place
498
00:26:24,172 --> 00:26:27,379
and they brought
that incredible snake.
499
00:26:27,482 --> 00:26:29,241
I held the snake,
500
00:26:29,344 --> 00:26:33,068
which is quite
an experience.
501
00:26:33,172 --> 00:26:35,965
And Dick said,
502
00:26:36,068 --> 00:26:40,034
"Would you do it
in the nude?"
503
00:26:40,137 --> 00:26:42,931
And she said,
"Yes, sure."
504
00:26:45,517 --> 00:26:49,965
She laid down
and the snake wound
around her body
505
00:26:50,068 --> 00:26:54,068
and up her body
and got to her ear
506
00:26:54,172 --> 00:26:55,724
and kissed her.
507
00:26:55,827 --> 00:26:57,137
And he took the picture
508
00:26:57,241 --> 00:27:01,034
and I had tears
rolling down my cheeks.
509
00:27:01,137 --> 00:27:03,034
I couldn't believe it.
510
00:27:03,137 --> 00:27:07,689
It was magical,
completely magical.
511
00:27:09,034 --> 00:27:11,724
When the snake
kissed her ear
512
00:27:11,827 --> 00:27:14,793
and the tongue
went into her ear,
513
00:27:14,896 --> 00:27:16,931
the shoot was over.
514
00:27:18,448 --> 00:27:21,689
I mean,
we couldn't speak.
515
00:27:21,793 --> 00:27:26,551
It was absolutely
extraordinary.
516
00:27:26,655 --> 00:27:30,724
I wish I hadn't put
that bracelet on,
517
00:27:30,827 --> 00:27:35,724
because I thought it became
kind of a fashion statement.
518
00:27:35,827 --> 00:27:38,620
And I thought the picture
was something else.
519
00:27:38,724 --> 00:27:41,896
I would have liked her
to be completely nude.
520
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,620
Bowles:
This, of course,
was the time of Ronald Reagan
521
00:27:44,724 --> 00:27:47,206
and the Christian right,
so the Adam and Eve reference
522
00:27:47,310 --> 00:27:49,448
couldn't have been
more timely.
523
00:27:49,551 --> 00:27:53,034
But I don't think this is
a Biblical reference.
524
00:27:53,137 --> 00:27:54,931
It's outrageously phallic
525
00:27:55,034 --> 00:27:57,344
and throbbingly sexual,
don't you think?
526
00:27:57,448 --> 00:27:59,310
Yeah, it's not
just about fashion.
527
00:27:59,413 --> 00:28:02,379
It's about culture.
528
00:28:02,482 --> 00:28:05,275
It's about Hollywood
and liaisons.
529
00:28:05,379 --> 00:28:06,896
Bowles:
At the time, of course,
530
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,103
Elizabeth Taylor
was promoting her perfume,
531
00:28:09,206 --> 00:28:12,034
and so she was very committed
to presenting
532
00:28:12,137 --> 00:28:14,517
a very specific image
of herself
533
00:28:14,620 --> 00:28:16,862
encased in
a sort of shellacked,
534
00:28:16,965 --> 00:28:19,689
high Hollywood glamour.
535
00:28:19,793 --> 00:28:22,620
When I spoke to her, I said,
"We really wanted to do you
536
00:28:22,724 --> 00:28:24,379
as you haven't been seen.
537
00:28:27,655 --> 00:28:30,241
Casual,
in sweaters.
538
00:28:31,655 --> 00:28:34,344
And khakis or something
on the beach.
539
00:28:37,275 --> 00:28:39,413
The wind in your hair."
540
00:28:41,137 --> 00:28:43,068
Well, the next day,
541
00:28:43,172 --> 00:28:45,344
several limousines' worth
542
00:28:45,448 --> 00:28:49,413
of Diors, hats,
shoes, bags--
543
00:28:49,517 --> 00:28:54,103
I mean, the total opposite
of what-- of our concept.
544
00:28:54,206 --> 00:28:56,344
I mean, she had
a totally different idea.
545
00:28:56,448 --> 00:29:00,586
Where passion rules,
how weak does reason prove?
546
00:29:00,689 --> 00:29:02,172
You'll see.
547
00:29:02,275 --> 00:29:06,517
And, I mean, a gale wind
could not move her hair.
548
00:29:07,862 --> 00:29:09,655
It was kind of
a nightmare.
549
00:29:09,758 --> 00:29:12,379
For the very last shot,
I said,
550
00:29:12,482 --> 00:29:14,620
"Could we wrap a towel
around your hair
551
00:29:14,724 --> 00:29:16,724
and take you down
to the beach?"
552
00:29:16,827 --> 00:29:18,862
She said, "Okay."
553
00:29:18,965 --> 00:29:21,724
Just before Wayne
was about to shoot,
554
00:29:21,827 --> 00:29:25,931
I grabbed the towel
and pulled it off her hair,
555
00:29:26,034 --> 00:29:28,068
and that's-- I mean,
you can see it in her eyes.
556
00:29:28,172 --> 00:29:29,724
She was so angry.
557
00:29:29,827 --> 00:29:32,103
I mean, I really thought
she was going to punch me.
558
00:29:32,206 --> 00:29:35,517
And screamed,
"How dare you?"
559
00:29:35,620 --> 00:29:39,931
I thought, "Oh, my," you know.
But she looked amazing.
560
00:29:40,034 --> 00:29:42,655
So when she sent me
a signed print,
561
00:29:42,758 --> 00:29:44,310
I was floored.
562
00:29:44,413 --> 00:29:46,586
It ended up being
her favorite shot.
563
00:29:46,689 --> 00:29:48,241
Thank God.
[ laughs ]
564
00:30:09,551 --> 00:30:11,551
Well, my father told me
that's what I should do,
565
00:30:11,655 --> 00:30:15,689
and I was very influenced
by my father, so...
566
00:30:22,344 --> 00:30:24,655
I was very interested
567
00:30:24,758 --> 00:30:26,241
in what I saw
going on in fashion,
568
00:30:26,344 --> 00:30:28,068
which was a high/low
mix of fashion
569
00:30:28,172 --> 00:30:30,241
that was happening
at the time,
570
00:30:30,344 --> 00:30:34,689
that it was not trickling down
from a very particular,
571
00:30:34,793 --> 00:30:38,206
rarified couture
sense of fashion,
572
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:41,413
that I saw young women
in the street
573
00:30:41,517 --> 00:30:44,620
dressing in a way
that I thought was
influencing the designers.
574
00:30:44,724 --> 00:30:48,517
Fashion was being
influenced by all sorts
of different people
575
00:30:48,620 --> 00:30:51,379
and culture and also
of course, the street.
576
00:30:51,482 --> 00:30:55,068
So I saw more
as a trickle-up
577
00:30:55,172 --> 00:30:57,241
rather than
a trickle-down influence.
578
00:30:57,344 --> 00:30:58,793
When I came to "Vogue,"
579
00:30:58,896 --> 00:31:01,896
that's what I wanted it
to reflect.
580
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,724
Of course it became
a trend, you know?
581
00:31:03,827 --> 00:31:07,620
I was mixing everything
with real things that
you wear every day.
582
00:31:07,724 --> 00:31:09,931
I love the street.
583
00:31:12,827 --> 00:31:14,758
No, no, take another pillow.
Take another pillow.
584
00:31:14,862 --> 00:31:16,551
Man:
Looks good.
585
00:31:16,655 --> 00:31:18,034
No, no.
It doesn't work.
586
00:31:18,137 --> 00:31:20,241
♪ Un, deux, trois,
quatre... ♪
587
00:31:22,862 --> 00:31:25,517
Now make-- no, no, no, no.
Behind on the chair.
588
00:31:25,620 --> 00:31:27,034
Just throw-- bing, bang.
589
00:31:27,137 --> 00:31:30,137
de Dudzeele:
I do the best for the picture.
590
00:31:30,241 --> 00:31:32,448
I work...
591
00:31:32,551 --> 00:31:36,068
[ laughs ]
because I love.
592
00:31:36,172 --> 00:31:38,862
- Is this fine? The feet?
- Man: Feet-- lovely.
593
00:31:38,965 --> 00:31:40,896
The frame looks good,
you look good.
594
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,551
This is what I want to hear.
595
00:31:42,655 --> 00:31:44,310
[ laughter ]
596
00:31:44,413 --> 00:31:46,586
Carlyne. Oh.
597
00:31:46,689 --> 00:31:48,758
Carlyne...
598
00:31:48,862 --> 00:31:50,344
She's--
[ laughs ]
599
00:31:50,448 --> 00:31:52,517
Carlyne's quite something.
600
00:31:54,482 --> 00:31:57,862
Carlyne is more is more.
Layer on the bangles.
601
00:31:57,965 --> 00:32:00,206
You know, this kind of
flamboyant French aristocrat
602
00:32:00,310 --> 00:32:02,655
with a mouth
like a trooper.
603
00:32:02,758 --> 00:32:05,275
de Dudzeele:
I love to mix cheap
and expensive.
604
00:32:05,379 --> 00:32:07,206
I adore this.
605
00:32:07,310 --> 00:32:08,827
This is what you call
the "Cerf style."
606
00:32:08,931 --> 00:32:12,206
I mixed everything.
This is my own salad.
607
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:15,137
I was doing a sitting, kind of
"Breakfast at Tiffany's."
608
00:32:15,241 --> 00:32:18,413
And I put a big Chanel bag
under the--
609
00:32:18,517 --> 00:32:20,586
in the street,
a lady came and said,
610
00:32:20,689 --> 00:32:23,620
"Mais,she have
her evening dress.
611
00:32:23,724 --> 00:32:26,034
Why you give her
a big bag?"
612
00:32:27,379 --> 00:32:30,482
Well, I said,
"Because it's attitude."
613
00:32:30,586 --> 00:32:32,689
Everything is about
attitude for me.
614
00:32:32,793 --> 00:32:36,000
Wintour:
She was the editor
that had the brilliance
615
00:32:36,103 --> 00:32:38,965
to produce the very first cover
that I ran on "Vogue,"
616
00:32:39,068 --> 00:32:42,206
which was that amazing
Lacroix couture T-shirt
617
00:32:42,310 --> 00:32:46,034
with the embellished
cross on it and a pair
of Guess blue jeans.
618
00:32:46,137 --> 00:32:49,689
You know,
I remember when I've done
the first issue for Anna.
619
00:32:49,793 --> 00:32:51,655
I worked in Paris.
620
00:32:51,758 --> 00:32:53,827
And I said,
"If I put a jean
621
00:32:53,931 --> 00:32:56,689
with this divine T-shirt,
it will be perfect.
622
00:32:56,793 --> 00:32:59,034
It's the street.
You can wear couture
in the streets."
623
00:32:59,137 --> 00:33:00,689
I don't say--
it was not like,
624
00:33:00,793 --> 00:33:02,413
you know, you have
to have the hair done,
625
00:33:02,517 --> 00:33:04,379
the makeup done
to wear couture.
626
00:33:04,482 --> 00:33:08,620
So I put a jean
with this famous
Lacroix T-shirt.
627
00:33:10,482 --> 00:33:12,517
Wintour:
When the cover actually
went off to the printers,
628
00:33:12,620 --> 00:33:15,137
they called the office
and said, "Is it a mistake?"
629
00:33:15,241 --> 00:33:17,034
They couldn't conceive
that this actually could be
630
00:33:17,137 --> 00:33:19,896
a cover
of "Vogue" magazine.
631
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,517
Mais,why is scandale?
632
00:33:21,620 --> 00:33:24,310
It's not a scandaleto put
the couture with the jeans.
633
00:33:24,413 --> 00:33:29,068
I mean, perhaps it was
scandaleuxfor some people;
not for me.
634
00:33:29,172 --> 00:33:30,931
That really took "Vogue"
635
00:33:31,034 --> 00:33:34,137
out of the studio
and the strobe lights
636
00:33:34,241 --> 00:33:36,551
and literally
into the streets
637
00:33:36,655 --> 00:33:38,172
and mixed things up.
638
00:33:40,620 --> 00:33:41,724
Me, I love the street.
639
00:33:43,965 --> 00:33:46,000
I love street.
640
00:33:46,103 --> 00:33:50,310
Adore.
Adore street.
641
00:33:50,413 --> 00:33:51,620
I love the street.
642
00:33:51,724 --> 00:33:53,344
Life is about
mixing the thing
643
00:33:53,448 --> 00:33:55,068
and to be divine
in the street.
644
00:33:55,172 --> 00:33:57,379
Voilà.
645
00:33:57,482 --> 00:34:00,103
This was the idea
of Peter.
646
00:34:00,206 --> 00:34:01,862
He wanted to do
the white shirts.
647
00:34:01,965 --> 00:34:03,551
And you know
I love accessories.
648
00:34:03,655 --> 00:34:06,068
Me, I was in heaven.
649
00:34:06,172 --> 00:34:10,620
So we shot this in LA.
The girls looked divine, divine.
650
00:34:10,724 --> 00:34:13,517
Easiness. Real!
651
00:34:13,620 --> 00:34:14,862
Real.
652
00:34:14,965 --> 00:34:17,689
This can be today.
653
00:34:17,793 --> 00:34:19,206
It's no season.
654
00:34:19,310 --> 00:34:21,206
Style don't have season.
655
00:34:21,310 --> 00:34:23,689
Nothing is démodé
when it's great pieces.
656
00:34:23,793 --> 00:34:26,241
Nothing, nothing,
nothing is démodé.
657
00:34:26,344 --> 00:34:28,896
This picture came back
and went straight to a drawer.
658
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,413
And when Anna arrived,
I think six or eight
months after,
659
00:34:32,517 --> 00:34:36,068
she tell-- "Oh!
I absolutely adore it!
660
00:34:36,172 --> 00:34:37,655
It's divine!
This is what fashion is.
661
00:34:37,758 --> 00:34:39,172
This is the most
modern thing."
662
00:34:39,275 --> 00:34:42,068
I have some dim recollection
of finding it in a drawer.
663
00:34:42,172 --> 00:34:44,551
And I can't remember
why it wouldn't run,
664
00:34:44,655 --> 00:34:46,827
but what I loved
about that picture
665
00:34:46,931 --> 00:34:50,862
is that it just had
so much joy in it.
666
00:34:50,965 --> 00:34:54,448
And looking back,
you saw that picture
as a sort of key moment
667
00:34:54,551 --> 00:34:57,758
when you looked at them
not because of what
they were wearing,
668
00:34:57,862 --> 00:34:59,655
but because
of who they were.
669
00:35:05,620 --> 00:35:07,689
This was the beginning
of a big deal.
670
00:35:07,793 --> 00:35:10,172
Bowles:
Well, Carlyne might not have
invented the supermodels,
671
00:35:10,275 --> 00:35:12,379
but she was shrewd enough
to recognize
672
00:35:12,482 --> 00:35:15,344
the opportunity
that they represented.
673
00:35:17,034 --> 00:35:18,965
The way fashion would become
the stuff of gossip columns,
674
00:35:19,068 --> 00:35:21,862
entertainment news,
and celebrity.
675
00:35:21,965 --> 00:35:23,517
It was an incredible
moment in time
676
00:35:23,620 --> 00:35:27,034
where fashion photography
and fashion design
677
00:35:27,137 --> 00:35:29,000
and the women all merged.
678
00:35:30,413 --> 00:35:32,862
Bowles:
It was a very,
very high-octane,
679
00:35:32,965 --> 00:35:36,344
va-va-voom, glitzy
supermodel world.
680
00:35:36,448 --> 00:35:40,344
Oh, no supermodel
questions, please.
681
00:35:40,448 --> 00:35:41,551
Oh, God.
682
00:35:41,655 --> 00:35:44,586
So...
[ sighs ]
683
00:35:44,689 --> 00:35:47,482
Wintour:
It was a sort of Rat Pack
moment for the models.
684
00:35:47,586 --> 00:35:49,241
You know,
they were all friends
685
00:35:49,344 --> 00:35:51,758
and they were
being photographed
everywhere they went
686
00:35:51,862 --> 00:35:52,827
and enjoyed it.
687
00:35:52,931 --> 00:35:54,206
I don't know why
it happened.
688
00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:56,896
I just remember that
at the time,
689
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,758
a lot of actresses
took a stance
690
00:35:59,862 --> 00:36:03,758
that they wanted to be
taken seriously for their art.
691
00:36:03,862 --> 00:36:05,482
"Oh, I'm a movie star.
692
00:36:05,586 --> 00:36:09,965
I don't want to demean myself
by embracing fashion.
693
00:36:10,068 --> 00:36:12,655
I'm just going
to wear dirty sneakers
and a pair of jeans.
694
00:36:12,758 --> 00:36:14,862
But I'm a serious
actress."
695
00:36:14,965 --> 00:36:17,344
So because we didn't have
the actresses,
696
00:36:17,448 --> 00:36:19,034
we needed
those superstars.
697
00:36:19,137 --> 00:36:22,068
We needed the supermodels.
And they loved it.
698
00:36:24,724 --> 00:36:26,827
Evangelista:
I mean, it was my life.
699
00:36:26,931 --> 00:36:31,482
Besides on the pages
of "Vogue," I wore it
in real life.
700
00:36:31,586 --> 00:36:34,931
I like glamour.
Not afraid of it.
701
00:36:35,034 --> 00:36:37,724
de Dudzeele:
They were supermodels
because they were
702
00:36:37,827 --> 00:36:41,517
absolutely divine girls
who loved fashion.
703
00:36:41,620 --> 00:36:45,103
It was a dream.
Voilà.
704
00:36:56,103 --> 00:36:59,137
I think this is
a turning point
in my career,
705
00:36:59,241 --> 00:37:00,862
this moment.
706
00:37:00,965 --> 00:37:05,068
The fashion world
discovered grunge.
707
00:37:05,172 --> 00:37:06,206
I hate grunge.
708
00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:07,965
This was the worst
period of my life
709
00:37:08,068 --> 00:37:09,275
because I hate grunge.
710
00:37:09,379 --> 00:37:12,344
God, I hope that never
comes back.
711
00:37:12,448 --> 00:37:14,241
Coddington:
We had a lot of vintage
kind of clothes,
712
00:37:14,344 --> 00:37:17,793
which is something
that never appeared
in American "Vogue."
713
00:37:17,896 --> 00:37:19,620
This is pajamas.
714
00:37:19,724 --> 00:37:21,655
Bolton: It was one
of the first times I recall
715
00:37:21,758 --> 00:37:24,448
of having street fashion
in "Vogue."
716
00:37:24,551 --> 00:37:27,241
I remember that,
thinking that was so amazing
717
00:37:27,344 --> 00:37:28,758
to see a street style,
718
00:37:28,862 --> 00:37:31,275
a subcultural style
represented in "Vogue."
719
00:37:31,379 --> 00:37:34,000
I don't think I had any idea
what I was getting into
with that story.
720
00:37:34,103 --> 00:37:36,689
You know, she may
have said "grunge" to me
at that time.
721
00:37:36,793 --> 00:37:38,586
I probably blocked it out.
[ laughs ]
722
00:37:38,689 --> 00:37:41,551
But Grace is quite subtle
with her--
723
00:37:41,655 --> 00:37:44,586
it's not even so much
as she ever pitches me
an idea.
724
00:37:44,689 --> 00:37:47,137
It's usually one word
written on a piece of paper
725
00:37:47,241 --> 00:37:49,275
or "I'm going
to do this, Anna."
726
00:37:49,379 --> 00:37:52,517
And she'd keep saying,
"Oh, that grunge moment--
that was such a bad moment."
727
00:37:52,620 --> 00:37:56,241
I mean, I can't see how
walking around in a grunge--
you know...
728
00:37:56,344 --> 00:37:57,448
[ laughs ]
729
00:37:57,551 --> 00:38:00,172
My grunge days
are long gone.
730
00:38:01,931 --> 00:38:04,241
But that was such
an important shoot.
731
00:38:04,344 --> 00:38:06,551
And it was-- you know,
you have to do something
732
00:38:06,655 --> 00:38:10,724
that's going to really
make people sit up and think
733
00:38:10,827 --> 00:38:13,827
and be shocked
and confused and angry
734
00:38:13,931 --> 00:38:15,965
and "What is 'Vogue'
doing?"
735
00:38:16,068 --> 00:38:17,793
and canceling
their subscriptions.
736
00:38:19,413 --> 00:38:20,793
It's so raw.
737
00:38:20,896 --> 00:38:23,689
It is confrontational,
but at the same time romantic.
738
00:38:23,793 --> 00:38:25,655
It's one of my favorite
photographs.
739
00:38:27,034 --> 00:38:28,862
My first day at "Vogue"
was very funny.
740
00:38:28,965 --> 00:38:30,931
I was called straight
into a fashion meeting.
741
00:38:31,034 --> 00:38:33,344
The first thing
that I heard was,
742
00:38:33,448 --> 00:38:34,724
"It's all about
the butterfly."
743
00:38:34,827 --> 00:38:36,620
It's about
the butterfly necklace,
744
00:38:36,724 --> 00:38:38,931
the butterfly shoe,
the butterfly bag,
745
00:38:39,034 --> 00:38:41,482
butterfly earrings,
or butterfly prints.
746
00:38:41,586 --> 00:38:43,965
It was all about
the butterfly.
747
00:38:44,068 --> 00:38:45,758
Throw your head back.
Okay.
748
00:38:45,862 --> 00:38:48,793
Come back, come back.
Yes, beautiful.
749
00:38:48,896 --> 00:38:51,379
- Okay.
- Beautiful.
750
00:38:53,068 --> 00:38:56,793
Nickerson:
Fashion to me
is a reflection of culture.
751
00:38:56,896 --> 00:38:59,931
It's not just about whether
everyone's wearing
a trench coat.
752
00:39:00,034 --> 00:39:03,482
It's there to report
on the world at large.
753
00:39:04,931 --> 00:39:07,724
A fashion editor tries,
I suppose, to sense
754
00:39:07,827 --> 00:39:10,931
what is going on
in the world.
755
00:39:11,034 --> 00:39:13,724
This is one of my favorite
photo shoots.
756
00:39:13,827 --> 00:39:16,068
It was-- the idea behind it
was surveillance.
757
00:39:16,172 --> 00:39:19,034
There were more cameras
going up on the streets.
758
00:39:19,137 --> 00:39:22,448
There were more
cameras in shops.
759
00:39:22,551 --> 00:39:27,000
We rented an apartment
across from Condé Nast
760
00:39:27,103 --> 00:39:30,931
so we could film
from one building
into another.
761
00:39:37,655 --> 00:39:40,241
Bowles:
Camilla's genius
was to take
762
00:39:40,344 --> 00:39:44,931
that perfect "Vogue" girl
just caught unawares,
763
00:39:45,034 --> 00:39:48,448
under surveillance,
you know.
764
00:39:48,551 --> 00:39:51,241
Nickerson:
We're all being watched
at some point.
765
00:39:51,344 --> 00:39:53,655
But they could be chic
while they're being watched.
766
00:39:53,758 --> 00:39:56,137
[ laughs ]
As they should be.
767
00:39:58,413 --> 00:40:01,241
There was an anti-prettiness
and an anti-perfection.
768
00:40:01,344 --> 00:40:04,241
It was just
capturing reality,
769
00:40:04,344 --> 00:40:08,068
which was counter to a lot
of what "Vogue" represented.
770
00:40:09,965 --> 00:40:14,448
I'm constantly in a state
of high anxiety.
771
00:40:14,551 --> 00:40:16,413
This feels more...
772
00:40:16,517 --> 00:40:18,482
less...
maybe more.
773
00:40:19,655 --> 00:40:21,965
I'm sorry.
[ laughing ]
774
00:40:22,068 --> 00:40:26,034
Bowles:
She anguishes
about every sitting.
775
00:40:26,137 --> 00:40:28,689
Nothing is ever
taken lightly.
776
00:40:28,793 --> 00:40:31,068
Man:
Literally, as soon
as they're coming on,
777
00:40:31,172 --> 00:40:32,448
- I'll start shooting.
- Okay.
778
00:40:32,551 --> 00:40:34,931
- Because I want
that energy.
- Okay.
779
00:40:35,034 --> 00:40:37,379
Nickerson:
I'm always hoping
that on the day
780
00:40:37,482 --> 00:40:40,965
something happens
and you just hope
that it will fly,
781
00:40:41,068 --> 00:40:43,241
that it will become something
that transcends time,
782
00:40:43,344 --> 00:40:45,655
that you will remember.
783
00:40:47,827 --> 00:40:50,137
You hope that it poses
a question.
784
00:40:52,172 --> 00:40:57,034
There is often a slightly
dangerous undercurrent
785
00:40:57,137 --> 00:40:58,482
to what she does.
786
00:40:58,586 --> 00:41:00,000
Nickerson:
That year, the collections--
787
00:41:00,103 --> 00:41:03,068
there were a vast amount
of incredibly high heels
788
00:41:03,172 --> 00:41:06,655
that were sort of
impossible to walk on.
789
00:41:06,758 --> 00:41:10,000
And so,
790
00:41:10,103 --> 00:41:12,310
we wanted
to sort of discuss
791
00:41:12,413 --> 00:41:15,275
how you became
disabled by this.
792
00:41:16,517 --> 00:41:18,620
They're meant
to indicate
793
00:41:18,724 --> 00:41:21,931
power and stature,
and...
794
00:41:22,034 --> 00:41:24,068
they leave you immobile.
795
00:41:24,172 --> 00:41:25,965
[ laughs ]
796
00:41:26,068 --> 00:41:29,517
But I love wearing them
myself, yeah.
797
00:41:36,724 --> 00:41:38,068
It's so graphic.
798
00:41:38,172 --> 00:41:39,896
I think-- you know,
she's so tall
799
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,793
and so beautiful up there,
so framed.
800
00:41:43,896 --> 00:41:46,551
And the light
on the brace...
801
00:41:46,655 --> 00:41:50,068
Some people who were disabled
found it offensive,
802
00:41:50,172 --> 00:41:55,965
but I thought
that it actually was
803
00:41:56,068 --> 00:41:58,034
sort of, kind of...
804
00:41:59,758 --> 00:42:02,241
quite handsome in a way.
805
00:42:05,931 --> 00:42:08,068
Parker:
This was the last shoot
at the Plaza
806
00:42:08,172 --> 00:42:12,206
before it went
into renovation.
807
00:42:12,310 --> 00:42:15,344
Nickerson:
It was about photographing
in non-spaces--
808
00:42:15,448 --> 00:42:18,448
hallways, elevators,
809
00:42:18,551 --> 00:42:20,931
the places in between.
810
00:42:21,034 --> 00:42:26,000
We were left basically alone
in the Plaza in its shell,
811
00:42:26,103 --> 00:42:29,172
in its empty corridors.
812
00:42:29,275 --> 00:42:33,206
Nickerson:
You know, she personifies
New York, so does the Plaza.
813
00:42:33,310 --> 00:42:35,586
It was so sort of
"Blade Runner" in a way.
814
00:42:35,689 --> 00:42:37,758
It was a dream come true.
815
00:42:37,862 --> 00:42:39,758
Camilla wanted to be
subversive,
816
00:42:39,862 --> 00:42:41,275
maybe a little bit
sneaky,
817
00:42:41,379 --> 00:42:45,689
hide a message
in the pages,
818
00:42:45,793 --> 00:42:48,689
maybe mess with
the institution
a little bit.
819
00:42:48,793 --> 00:42:51,068
There's one shoot
that I will never forget.
820
00:42:51,172 --> 00:42:53,655
When I was in the middle
of working on it,
821
00:42:53,758 --> 00:42:57,482
I stood in the studio
surrounded by wooden ladders
822
00:42:57,586 --> 00:42:59,413
filled with feather boas
823
00:42:59,517 --> 00:43:02,724
and tables laid out
with wigs.
824
00:43:02,827 --> 00:43:07,000
It was just a coat story,
but there was something
quite magical about it.
825
00:43:07,103 --> 00:43:09,620
It was just
exactly as I dreamt
826
00:43:09,724 --> 00:43:12,931
a fashion studio
would look like.
827
00:43:13,034 --> 00:43:15,931
That's the magic of walking
into the planning room
828
00:43:16,034 --> 00:43:18,206
and looking at a shoot
for the very first time
829
00:43:18,310 --> 00:43:20,827
is that you can be
so surprised.
830
00:43:20,931 --> 00:43:24,448
And that's what one wants.
One wants to be surprised.
831
00:43:31,896 --> 00:43:34,034
Posnick:
Of course I'm nervous
on every shoot.
832
00:43:34,137 --> 00:43:38,551
Even if I'm doing a still life
of a mouse, I'm nervous.
833
00:43:38,655 --> 00:43:43,310
If I don't have a picture
in my mind of the final image,
834
00:43:43,413 --> 00:43:46,103
then I know the sitting
isn't going to work.
835
00:43:46,206 --> 00:43:49,034
Bowles:
Nothing is left to chance.
836
00:43:49,137 --> 00:43:52,931
Phyllis is very, very firm
and determined,
837
00:43:53,034 --> 00:43:56,655
and she gets these
extraordinary results.
838
00:43:56,758 --> 00:44:00,931
With Tebow,
I need all the shorts,
839
00:44:01,034 --> 00:44:03,310
all the warm-up things.
840
00:44:03,413 --> 00:44:05,896
Bowles:
Her role at the magazine
is very, very different
841
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,620
because other editors are doing
epic 20-plus-page stories
842
00:44:09,724 --> 00:44:11,586
and you can tell
a narrative.
843
00:44:11,689 --> 00:44:13,344
Phyllis,
with her photographers,
844
00:44:13,448 --> 00:44:15,620
has to create
a single image
845
00:44:15,724 --> 00:44:17,965
that's going to stop you
in your tracks.
846
00:44:18,068 --> 00:44:20,862
The sittings I do--
we're illustrating an idea.
847
00:44:20,965 --> 00:44:23,103
It's skin care,
it's health,
848
00:44:23,206 --> 00:44:25,379
it's diet,
it's hair color,
849
00:44:25,482 --> 00:44:29,034
so one has to think
of a way to surprise
850
00:44:29,137 --> 00:44:33,310
and make the reader stop
and look and read the article.
851
00:44:34,896 --> 00:44:40,344
Now this was the result
of some new moisturizers,
852
00:44:40,448 --> 00:44:41,551
and they were all white.
853
00:44:41,655 --> 00:44:43,931
And that's all I had
to work with.
854
00:44:44,034 --> 00:44:47,896
We got gallons of cream
brought down from a dairy
855
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,827
in upstate New York.
856
00:44:49,931 --> 00:44:52,724
She was sitting
in a big tub.
857
00:44:52,827 --> 00:44:55,344
One of Penn's assistants
stood over her
858
00:44:55,448 --> 00:44:57,379
and Penn would say,
"All right, go."
859
00:44:57,482 --> 00:44:59,482
And then he'd pour
the cream on her head
860
00:44:59,586 --> 00:45:01,344
from a pitcher.
861
00:45:02,620 --> 00:45:04,206
We could do
two or three,
862
00:45:04,310 --> 00:45:06,413
and then we'd have
to clean her off
and start over
863
00:45:06,517 --> 00:45:08,965
and also give her
a rest.
864
00:45:09,068 --> 00:45:12,034
You know, we couldn't
just torture her all day.
865
00:45:13,896 --> 00:45:16,172
Bowles:
She's so fastidious
in her approach
866
00:45:16,275 --> 00:45:19,758
and she's really
the consummate perfectionist.
867
00:45:19,862 --> 00:45:22,310
I mean, if you're going to do
a bee lighting on a lip
868
00:45:22,413 --> 00:45:24,862
to illustrate the concept
of bee-stung lips,
869
00:45:24,965 --> 00:45:27,586
Phyllis is really going
to spend months
870
00:45:27,689 --> 00:45:30,275
visiting every apiary
in the state,
871
00:45:30,379 --> 00:45:32,137
casting
just the right bee
872
00:45:32,241 --> 00:45:33,482
and just the right
pair of lips.
873
00:45:36,034 --> 00:45:38,862
Posnick:
So we imported some bees,
874
00:45:38,965 --> 00:45:40,724
which were live,
875
00:45:40,827 --> 00:45:43,620
and had a very brave model
876
00:45:43,724 --> 00:45:46,965
and put the bee
on her lip.
877
00:45:47,068 --> 00:45:48,551
Oh, she was fearless.
878
00:45:48,655 --> 00:45:51,517
At one point,
the bee was sitting
on her mouth like that
879
00:45:51,620 --> 00:45:54,275
and she just stuck out
her tongue
880
00:45:54,379 --> 00:45:57,068
and had the bee
on her tongue.
881
00:45:59,172 --> 00:46:01,241
Casting is very important
in these pictures
882
00:46:01,344 --> 00:46:04,000
because you have to have
somebody who is willing
883
00:46:04,103 --> 00:46:07,068
to sacrifice themselves
for that picture.
884
00:46:07,172 --> 00:46:10,034
It's not good to have
an unhappy model.
885
00:46:10,137 --> 00:46:12,793
We want them to be happy
and feel beautiful.
886
00:46:12,896 --> 00:46:14,827
Seriously.
I'm saying that
like it's a joke,
887
00:46:14,931 --> 00:46:16,827
but it's really
important.
888
00:46:16,931 --> 00:46:19,241
Like this.
889
00:46:19,344 --> 00:46:22,586
That needed a model
who knew how she looked
890
00:46:22,689 --> 00:46:24,793
with a football
on her face
891
00:46:24,896 --> 00:46:28,793
because she had
to move her head
or tilt it.
892
00:46:28,896 --> 00:46:32,137
And her shoulders moved
so that you felt that there
was a person there
893
00:46:32,241 --> 00:46:36,000
and that it wasn't
just a dead body.
894
00:46:38,413 --> 00:46:40,379
We were doing an article
on fear of aging,
895
00:46:40,482 --> 00:46:42,862
and we wanted two models
that looked the same.
896
00:46:42,965 --> 00:46:45,862
They had an expression,
but nothing moved.
897
00:46:45,965 --> 00:46:49,103
And it looked
kind of okay.
898
00:46:49,206 --> 00:46:51,793
So then Steven said,
"Why don't we try them
without the faces?"
899
00:46:51,896 --> 00:46:54,896
And when we took
the faces off,
900
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,241
that was the picture.
901
00:46:59,310 --> 00:47:03,344
They came from California
and they were very,
very expensive.
902
00:47:03,448 --> 00:47:06,827
They come with
interchangeable heads.
903
00:47:06,931 --> 00:47:09,206
Anna was either going
to like it or hate it.
904
00:47:09,310 --> 00:47:12,068
Sometimes walking
into the planning room,
I'm shocked.
905
00:47:12,172 --> 00:47:15,482
And I'll say, "We can never
run these pictures.
906
00:47:15,586 --> 00:47:17,000
They're too out there."
907
00:47:17,103 --> 00:47:19,827
Posnick:
We shot that with
a real dermatologist,
908
00:47:19,931 --> 00:47:23,103
and Anna felt that
he was giving her
909
00:47:23,206 --> 00:47:24,862
a lethal injection.
910
00:47:24,965 --> 00:47:27,448
I didn't feel
that way, but...
911
00:47:27,551 --> 00:47:29,724
if she did,
other people would.
912
00:47:29,827 --> 00:47:32,586
Your first reaction
is really important.
913
00:47:32,689 --> 00:47:35,896
Wintour:
I have to present every issue
to the corporate floor,
914
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,034
and I could see them
having no concept
915
00:47:38,137 --> 00:47:39,517
that those were not
real models.
916
00:47:39,620 --> 00:47:41,379
And that really
was the surprise
917
00:47:41,482 --> 00:47:43,862
and the strength
of those photographs--
918
00:47:43,965 --> 00:47:45,931
that you weren't
quite sure.
919
00:47:47,793 --> 00:47:50,137
Bowles:
For decades, Phyllis
really proved herself
920
00:47:50,241 --> 00:47:52,862
the perfect
Penn whisperer,
921
00:47:52,965 --> 00:47:57,137
and she was able to coax him
to photograph people
922
00:47:57,241 --> 00:47:59,137
that he might
have resisted.
923
00:47:59,241 --> 00:48:02,241
Penn hated movie stars
because when he did a portrait,
924
00:48:02,344 --> 00:48:04,310
he really wanted
to get past
925
00:48:04,413 --> 00:48:07,413
the face that the person
presents to the public,
926
00:48:07,517 --> 00:48:09,379
and that's very difficult
with actors.
927
00:48:09,482 --> 00:48:12,034
He kept saying no
to photographing her.
928
00:48:12,137 --> 00:48:14,482
So we talked about it
and talked about it,
929
00:48:14,586 --> 00:48:17,689
and he finally agreed
to do a portrait of her
930
00:48:17,793 --> 00:48:20,068
another year later.
931
00:48:20,172 --> 00:48:22,448
I just remember climbing
up the stairs to his studio.
932
00:48:22,551 --> 00:48:23,931
It was very, very quiet
933
00:48:24,034 --> 00:48:25,827
and everyone's
sort of whispering.
934
00:48:25,931 --> 00:48:29,724
Posnick:
There couldn't be anyone else
in the eyeline of the subject.
935
00:48:29,827 --> 00:48:31,758
Kidman:
We talked a little bit,
but a lot of it
936
00:48:31,862 --> 00:48:36,517
is in how you communicate
quietly without words.
937
00:48:36,620 --> 00:48:39,137
Posnick:
I was behind a curtain,
listening.
938
00:48:39,241 --> 00:48:40,655
I mean,
they fell in love.
939
00:48:40,758 --> 00:48:42,724
It was so beautiful
to watch it.
940
00:48:42,827 --> 00:48:48,103
And she just gave up
all of that "actor."
941
00:48:48,206 --> 00:48:50,379
Alber Elbaz:
I hated it.
942
00:48:50,482 --> 00:48:53,689
I looked at it and I said,
"Ugh, I really don't like
that picture."
943
00:48:53,793 --> 00:48:56,000
I sent it to my mother.
944
00:48:56,103 --> 00:49:00,000
My mother called me back
and she said,
945
00:49:00,103 --> 00:49:01,724
"Alber, why do you look
so sad?"
946
00:49:01,827 --> 00:49:04,275
And I understood
at this moment
947
00:49:04,379 --> 00:49:09,000
that Irving Penn did not
take a picture of me,
but he X-rayed me.
948
00:49:24,275 --> 00:49:25,551
Goodman:
We can scan these guys
949
00:49:25,655 --> 00:49:27,793
and then I'll just
amend this one.
950
00:49:27,896 --> 00:49:30,793
Wintour:
You have to understand that
with the great fashion editors
951
00:49:30,896 --> 00:49:33,172
that we have working
at "Vogue," it's not
a job to them.
952
00:49:33,275 --> 00:49:37,448
It's who they are,
and I think that's
really maybe clearest
953
00:49:37,551 --> 00:49:39,482
in the case
of Tonne Goodman.
954
00:49:39,586 --> 00:49:42,000
If I close my eyes
and think about
955
00:49:42,103 --> 00:49:45,413
an American style,
I would say Tonne.
956
00:49:45,517 --> 00:49:49,931
Bowles:
She's all about stripping
things away to their essence.
957
00:49:50,034 --> 00:49:52,689
You know, I didn't start out
pursuing a career in fashion.
958
00:49:52,793 --> 00:49:54,896
I went to art school
and I was--
959
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,517
I studied painting
and drawing.
960
00:49:56,620 --> 00:49:59,758
Prior to that, I modeled
when I was in high school
961
00:49:59,862 --> 00:50:01,896
with Mrs. Vreeland
at "Vogue."
962
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,551
Wintour:
If you look at
those pictures today,
963
00:50:03,655 --> 00:50:06,586
you see this clean, minimal,
gorgeous young woman
964
00:50:06,689 --> 00:50:09,275
who couldn't be anything
but a young American girl.
965
00:50:09,379 --> 00:50:12,379
My style
is very recognizable
966
00:50:12,482 --> 00:50:15,413
because it's founded on
simplicity,
967
00:50:15,517 --> 00:50:18,448
a classic approach
to dressing.
968
00:50:18,551 --> 00:50:21,103
A lot of it connects
with my life.
969
00:50:21,206 --> 00:50:23,241
I wear a uniform,
essentially, all the time.
970
00:50:23,344 --> 00:50:26,655
I wear white jeans,
a shirt, flat shoes.
971
00:50:26,758 --> 00:50:29,689
The practicality
that I require from my life
972
00:50:29,793 --> 00:50:31,689
shows up
in the photographs,
I think.
973
00:50:31,793 --> 00:50:34,620
And I think that that's
probably one of the earmarks
of American fashion.
974
00:50:34,724 --> 00:50:37,000
American fashion
is very practical.
975
00:50:39,931 --> 00:50:41,379
This is a shoot
with Steven Klein.
976
00:50:41,482 --> 00:50:44,413
She is on the sidewalk,
putting something
977
00:50:44,517 --> 00:50:46,896
into a deposit slot
of a bank.
978
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,827
The car is on the sidewalk,
aggressively positioned.
979
00:50:50,931 --> 00:50:53,655
Elbaz:
I mean, it's all very right.
It's very sharp.
980
00:50:53,758 --> 00:50:57,068
It's very minimal
and yet very emotional.
981
00:50:57,172 --> 00:50:59,724
It's an emotional picture
in its very cold way.
982
00:50:59,827 --> 00:51:02,000
You wouldn't
think it's emotional,
but I find it very emo--
983
00:51:02,103 --> 00:51:03,724
I think it's-- it's one
of my favorites, actually.
984
00:51:03,827 --> 00:51:05,551
I really adore
this photograph.
985
00:51:05,655 --> 00:51:07,862
Here's another
example of it.
986
00:51:07,965 --> 00:51:09,931
There's nothing random
about his photograph.
987
00:51:10,034 --> 00:51:11,344
It is not
a frivolous moment.
988
00:51:11,448 --> 00:51:15,241
But it really is
a frozen moment, literally.
989
00:51:15,344 --> 00:51:18,551
Time is such a precious
part of our life.
990
00:51:18,655 --> 00:51:22,000
And to be able
to freeze a moment,
991
00:51:22,103 --> 00:51:25,551
whether it is conjured
or whether it's spontaneous,
992
00:51:25,655 --> 00:51:28,137
is a kind of a gift.
993
00:51:28,241 --> 00:51:29,724
Tonne does represent
994
00:51:29,827 --> 00:51:32,586
really the heart
of the American woman
995
00:51:32,689 --> 00:51:36,000
and she understands that
particular American aesthetic.
996
00:51:36,103 --> 00:51:39,448
Don't forget,
a lot of the editors
at "Vogue" are British.
997
00:51:39,551 --> 00:51:41,965
So I'm the American editor
998
00:51:42,068 --> 00:51:45,965
and I do a lot
of the very classic
things for "Vogue"
999
00:51:46,068 --> 00:51:49,034
because it's the kind of niche
that they need me for,
1000
00:51:49,137 --> 00:51:52,793
but I can do other things,
actually.
1001
00:51:56,206 --> 00:51:58,413
When I came there
in '99,
1002
00:51:58,517 --> 00:52:01,413
most of the covers
were models.
1003
00:52:01,517 --> 00:52:04,965
And between
2000 and 2002,
1004
00:52:05,068 --> 00:52:08,034
it did a complete flip.
1005
00:52:08,137 --> 00:52:10,137
It's a completely
different ball game
1006
00:52:10,241 --> 00:52:13,655
photographing with a celebrity
than it is with a model.
1007
00:52:13,758 --> 00:52:15,068
Wintour:
Dealing with celebrities,
1008
00:52:15,172 --> 00:52:18,689
you know,
you just need to be...
1009
00:52:18,793 --> 00:52:21,275
uh, very calm.
1010
00:52:21,379 --> 00:52:23,793
[ camera shutter
clicking ]
1011
00:52:23,896 --> 00:52:25,275
Beautiful.
1012
00:52:25,379 --> 00:52:28,000
She can take the most
demanding celebrity
1013
00:52:28,103 --> 00:52:31,517
and turn them
into a "Vogue" cover
in a way that nobody else can.
1014
00:52:34,103 --> 00:52:37,517
Goodman:
Gaga has such a strong
sense of herself.
1015
00:52:37,620 --> 00:52:41,448
She was a perfect candidate
for a "Power" issue.
1016
00:52:41,551 --> 00:52:44,724
I think it's fair to say
there was a little bit of
a buzz about Lady Gaga,
1017
00:52:44,827 --> 00:52:46,344
so it was arranged
that she would come in
1018
00:52:46,448 --> 00:52:48,310
and meet some editors
and meet Anna.
1019
00:52:48,413 --> 00:52:51,172
There was a lot
of to-ing and fro-ing
about the appointment
1020
00:52:51,275 --> 00:52:53,172
and I thought,
"Oh, my goodness,
she's going to be late."
1021
00:52:53,275 --> 00:52:55,655
You know,
is one of those people
that are always late.
1022
00:52:55,758 --> 00:52:57,931
But she arrived
on the dot
1023
00:52:58,034 --> 00:53:02,655
and she was dressed like a nun
in a full white cotton robe.
1024
00:53:02,758 --> 00:53:06,344
And she just
had a little hat on
that said "Vogue" on it.
1025
00:53:06,448 --> 00:53:08,310
With the G kind of
framing her face
1026
00:53:08,413 --> 00:53:10,379
and the U and the E going off
in this direction.
1027
00:53:10,482 --> 00:53:12,206
The V and the O here.
1028
00:53:12,310 --> 00:53:14,689
Um, so,
1029
00:53:14,793 --> 00:53:18,241
I really thought,
"This girl means business."
1030
00:53:18,344 --> 00:53:22,586
A few months later,
she was on the cover
for the first time.
1031
00:53:22,689 --> 00:53:27,172
So she said,
"Somehow I would like to make
a kind of subtle reference
1032
00:53:27,275 --> 00:53:29,034
to 'Vogue' magazine
and Anna Wintour."
1033
00:53:29,137 --> 00:53:32,551
And if you notice,
you can't say it doesn't
look like Anna.
1034
00:53:32,655 --> 00:53:35,241
The hair is like Anna.
I adore this photograph.
1035
00:53:35,344 --> 00:53:38,275
I think it captures her
and it captures "Vogue."
1036
00:53:38,379 --> 00:53:40,413
Oh.
1037
00:53:41,655 --> 00:53:45,275
Well, it just--
it looks so ugly.
1038
00:53:45,379 --> 00:53:47,931
Is it a boy
or a girl?
1039
00:53:48,034 --> 00:53:50,758
Man:
It's a girl.
1040
00:53:50,862 --> 00:53:54,448
- It's Lady Gaga.
- Babs Simpson: Well,
I don't think it's sexy.
1041
00:53:54,551 --> 00:53:56,275
At all.
1042
00:53:56,379 --> 00:53:57,793
Do you?
1043
00:53:59,172 --> 00:54:01,517
Let me see it again.
It's interesting.
1044
00:54:02,724 --> 00:54:04,793
You know how old I am?
1045
00:54:04,896 --> 00:54:07,310
100 next year.
1046
00:54:09,482 --> 00:54:11,068
The look that
I had then was--
1047
00:54:11,172 --> 00:54:13,172
my hair
was very simple.
1048
00:54:13,275 --> 00:54:16,172
Her hair scraped
unforgivingly back
1049
00:54:16,275 --> 00:54:19,413
into a tight little
sort of ballerina chignon
1050
00:54:19,517 --> 00:54:21,620
and pearls.
1051
00:54:21,724 --> 00:54:24,896
Yeah, I've had them
for as long as I can remember.
1052
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,689
And it's sort of an impeccable,
understated, elegant style.
1053
00:54:28,793 --> 00:54:31,931
I very often had
a bird on my head.
1054
00:54:32,034 --> 00:54:34,034
Live bird.
1055
00:54:34,137 --> 00:54:36,793
I used to sit in the corner
and do needlework.
1056
00:54:36,896 --> 00:54:39,517
Otherwise, you'd go crazy
with boredom.
1057
00:54:39,620 --> 00:54:43,206
You know, because
some photographers
took forever.
1058
00:54:43,310 --> 00:54:46,068
Bowles:
She's very self-effacing
and says she just sat back
1059
00:54:46,172 --> 00:54:48,551
in the corner quietly doing
her needlepoint,
1060
00:54:48,655 --> 00:54:51,448
but I think there's
a little bit more
to it than that
1061
00:54:51,551 --> 00:54:53,758
because the pictures
are really potent.
1062
00:54:53,862 --> 00:54:57,379
It's not just a beautiful girl
standing there,
1063
00:54:57,482 --> 00:54:59,103
perfectly dressed
in front of the camera.
1064
00:54:59,206 --> 00:55:01,896
Simpson:
The day we got this,
she didn't show up.
1065
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:03,586
We waited and waited
and waited and waited
1066
00:55:03,689 --> 00:55:07,482
and waited and waited
and finally went
to Disneyland.
1067
00:55:07,586 --> 00:55:10,000
She did show up
the next day,
1068
00:55:10,103 --> 00:55:14,344
and she was perfect
from then on.
1069
00:55:14,448 --> 00:55:16,724
But there was
this terrible hairdresser
1070
00:55:16,827 --> 00:55:21,862
who kept giving her ice water,
which turned out to be vodka.
1071
00:55:21,965 --> 00:55:24,137
She was obviously
somebody doomed.
1072
00:55:24,241 --> 00:55:26,068
And, of course,
as you well know,
1073
00:55:26,172 --> 00:55:28,931
she was dead
within the month.
1074
00:55:50,586 --> 00:55:53,068
[ chatter ]
1075
00:55:53,172 --> 00:55:56,310
- Miss Simpson!
- Hello, my dear.
1076
00:55:56,413 --> 00:55:58,517
You are quite
the celebrity
around here.
1077
00:55:58,620 --> 00:56:00,206
How about that?
1078
00:56:00,310 --> 00:56:03,862
It's the same sort of viewing
as if Babs is in the chair.
1079
00:56:03,965 --> 00:56:05,724
I want you there.
1080
00:56:05,827 --> 00:56:08,379
Posnick:
I think none of us really love
having our picture taken.
1081
00:56:08,482 --> 00:56:10,655
- Leibovitz: Okay, Camilla,
you get to be bad girl again.
- All right.
1082
00:56:10,758 --> 00:56:12,931
You're my favorite
bad girl.
1083
00:56:13,034 --> 00:56:14,896
She-- she's the new
bad girl.
1084
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,413
- You're the--
- I'm the old bad girl.
1085
00:56:17,517 --> 00:56:18,896
You're the original
bad girl.
1086
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,103
Mellen:
Get down low.
1087
00:56:21,206 --> 00:56:23,827
Nickerson:
I'm so honored and shy.
1088
00:56:23,931 --> 00:56:25,275
Mellen:
I have been summoned.
1089
00:56:25,379 --> 00:56:26,965
Nickerson:
It will be an amazing
photograph.
1090
00:56:27,068 --> 00:56:30,379
Goodman:
Preserving a moment
is magic.
1091
00:56:30,482 --> 00:56:32,034
Leibovitz:
Polly, I'm going
to put you here.
1092
00:56:32,137 --> 00:56:34,586
- I know. Elbow--
just elbow her.
- Ah!
1093
00:56:34,689 --> 00:56:36,896
Bowles:
What kind of a family
are they?
1094
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,551
Um, when I first came
to "Vogue,"
1095
00:56:39,655 --> 00:56:42,172
the fashion department
was possibly
1096
00:56:42,275 --> 00:56:44,758
one of the most alarming
places on the planet.
1097
00:56:44,862 --> 00:56:46,896
- Okay, hang in there.
Hang in there.
- Ah!
1098
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,413
[ camera shutter
clicking ]
1099
00:56:49,517 --> 00:56:52,275
Bowles:
I mean, Polly Mellen
1100
00:56:52,379 --> 00:56:55,275
and Carlyne Cerf--
1101
00:56:55,379 --> 00:56:58,758
such formidable characters.
1102
00:56:58,862 --> 00:57:01,862
- Women: Wind!
- [ laughter ]
1103
00:57:01,965 --> 00:57:06,827
Bowles:
They were very, very,
very much larger-than-life,
1104
00:57:06,931 --> 00:57:10,310
flamboyant,
opinionated women.
1105
00:57:10,413 --> 00:57:12,689
I haven't even got
to Grace.
1106
00:57:12,793 --> 00:57:14,689
Wintour:
It is a family.
It is a family.
1107
00:57:14,793 --> 00:57:16,620
It's a slightly
dysfunctional family,
1108
00:57:16,724 --> 00:57:21,103
but it's also a very close
and warm and loving family.
1109
00:57:21,206 --> 00:57:24,103
Tears?
Oh, what, are you going
for a Barbara Walters moment?
1110
00:57:24,206 --> 00:57:26,586
[ man laughs ]
1111
00:57:26,689 --> 00:57:29,551
Wintour:
Genius is the word
I would use.
1112
00:57:29,655 --> 00:57:31,586
They all have
genius in them
1113
00:57:31,689 --> 00:57:34,689
and they all have
a deep, deep understanding
1114
00:57:34,793 --> 00:57:36,482
of what makes
a great photograph.
1115
00:57:36,586 --> 00:57:39,344
Leibovitz:
Thank you very much.
That was very, very nice.
1116
00:57:39,448 --> 00:57:42,586
- [ clapping ]
- Mellen: Thank you, Annie.
1117
00:57:45,517 --> 00:57:47,724
[ music playing ]
1118
00:57:47,827 --> 00:57:50,172
♪ Are you Peace Corps?
1119
00:57:50,275 --> 00:57:51,896
♪ Oh, no, not at all,
we're "Vogue" ♪
1120
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:53,206
♪ "Vogue," "Vogue,"
"Vogue" ♪
1121
00:57:53,310 --> 00:57:55,413
♪ It's all about
the butterfly ♪
1122
00:57:55,517 --> 00:57:57,413
♪ The butterfly,
the butterfly ♪
1123
00:57:57,517 --> 00:57:59,586
♪ It's all about
the butterfly ♪
1124
00:57:59,689 --> 00:58:02,310
♪ The butterfly,
the butterfly ♪
1125
00:58:02,413 --> 00:58:04,655
♪ Several limousines'
worth ♪
1126
00:58:04,758 --> 00:58:08,137
♪ Of Diors,
hats, shoes ♪
1127
00:58:08,241 --> 00:58:10,655
♪ I mean, I really thought
she was going to punch me ♪
1128
00:58:10,758 --> 00:58:13,310
♪ And screamed,
"How dare you?" ♪
1129
00:58:13,413 --> 00:58:16,689
♪ "How dare you? How dare you?
How dare you?" ♪
1130
00:58:16,793 --> 00:58:18,551
♪ Punch me, punch me,
punch me, punch me ♪
1131
00:58:18,655 --> 00:58:20,724
♪ It's all about
the butterfly ♪
1132
00:58:20,827 --> 00:58:22,793
♪ The butterfly,
the butterfly ♪
1133
00:58:22,896 --> 00:58:25,000
♪ It's all about
the butterfly ♪
1134
00:58:25,103 --> 00:58:27,551
♪ The butterfly,
the butterfly ♪
1135
00:58:27,655 --> 00:58:29,586
♪ Everything's fashion
1136
00:58:29,689 --> 00:58:31,344
♪ I mean,
you're fashion ♪
1137
00:58:31,448 --> 00:58:33,241
- ♪ This is from street
- ♪ Street
1138
00:58:33,344 --> 00:58:35,724
- ♪ I mean, you're fashion
- ♪ Street
1139
00:58:35,827 --> 00:58:38,586
♪ That needed a model
who knew how she looked ♪
1140
00:58:38,689 --> 00:58:40,241
♪ With a football
on her face ♪
1141
00:58:40,344 --> 00:58:42,310
♪ Real!
1142
00:58:42,413 --> 00:58:44,448
♪ Real
1143
00:58:44,551 --> 00:58:46,724
♪ I very often had
a bird on my head ♪
1144
00:58:46,827 --> 00:58:48,413
♪ I can-- I can do
other things ♪
1145
00:58:48,517 --> 00:58:50,793
♪ No, sorry, you can't
lead me there ♪
1146
00:58:50,896 --> 00:58:52,206
♪ Is it a boy
or a girl? ♪
1147
00:58:52,310 --> 00:58:54,413
♪ It's all about
the butterfly ♪
1148
00:58:54,517 --> 00:58:56,344
♪ The butterfly,
the butterfly ♪
1149
00:58:56,448 --> 00:58:58,655
♪ It's all about
the butterfly ♪
1150
00:58:58,758 --> 00:59:00,689
♪ The butterfly,
the butterfly ♪
1151
00:59:00,793 --> 00:59:02,793
♪ Adore, adore
1152
00:59:02,896 --> 00:59:05,103
♪ Style don't have
season ♪
1153
00:59:05,206 --> 00:59:07,827
♪ Nothing is démodé
when it's great pieces ♪
1154
00:59:07,931 --> 00:59:09,379
♪ Pieces, pieces,
pieces ♪
1155
00:59:09,482 --> 00:59:11,655
♪ Nothing, nothing,
nothing is démodé ♪
1156
00:59:11,758 --> 00:59:13,965
♪ Voilà, voil, voilà ♪
1157
00:59:14,068 --> 00:59:17,517
♪ Easiness, real, real,
real, real! ♪
1158
00:59:17,620 --> 00:59:19,758
♪ It's all about
the butterfly ♪
1159
00:59:19,862 --> 00:59:21,689
♪ The butterfly,
the butterfly ♪
1160
00:59:21,793 --> 00:59:23,965
♪ It's all about
the butterfly ♪
1161
00:59:24,068 --> 00:59:25,862
♪ The butterfly,
the butterfly ♪
1162
00:59:25,965 --> 00:59:28,137
♪ It's all about
the butterfly ♪
1163
00:59:28,241 --> 00:59:30,034
♪ The butterfly,
the butterfly ♪
1164
00:59:30,137 --> 00:59:32,413
♪ It's all about
the butterfly ♪
1165
00:59:32,517 --> 00:59:34,344
♪ The butterfly,
the butterfly ♪
1166
00:59:34,448 --> 00:59:36,551
♪ It's all about
the butterfly ♪
1167
00:59:36,655 --> 00:59:38,068
♪ The butterfly,
the butterfly ♪
1168
00:59:38,172 --> 00:59:40,793
♪ It-it-it's all about
the butterfly ♪
1169
00:59:40,896 --> 00:59:43,413
♪ The butterfly,
the butterfly. ♪
86517
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