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The first time
I ran away from home, I was 15.
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As soon as I moved to New York,
I was working at a coffee shop.
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When I decided to transition,
I was fired.
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And that is how I found out
about The Stroll.
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I was doing sex work there.
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There were no other opportunities
for trans women at the time.
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I spent almost ten years
of my life out there.
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It was fun at first. I was like,
"Oh, I'm making more money
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than I'm making in my job."
Please.
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Then I started doing
the weekend ho thing,
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and then it just became, like...
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an everyday thing.
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It's been good for me in a way,
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you know what I'm saying?
Because I've been able to eat.
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I've been able to live.
I've been able to survive.
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Some filmmakers were doing
a documentary,
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so I had cameras following me,
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and these videos,
majority of the time I was on cocaine.
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And I think in that clip
right there, I was explaining
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how exhausted I was of the every day
just living to do this.
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When I was approached to be
a subject of a documentary,
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I knew that that could be
a segue way into filmmaking.
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But what I discovered
is that I didn't have control
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over my own story.
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And so it really motivated me
to start my journey as a director.
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I was determined to make a film
about The Stroll.
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I wanted to know the history
of how long trans women
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had been coming into the area,
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and for how long sex work
had been a part of our story.
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We were pushed out
of the neighborhood years ago
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and now you don't see us
here anymore.
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My mission was to tell this story
before we're gone.
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I felt that I could get it right
if I was the one to tell it.
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Egyptt interview, A-camera. Take one.
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Welcome, Egyptt.
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I'm so excited to speak
to you today about our history.
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For somebody who has so much
lived experience
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that the little time that I was out there,
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you know, I can't even
encompass half of the stuff
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that you've been through
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and the history
that you're gonna share with us.
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I'm so honored to have you
sitting here with us right now.
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Well, I feel so blessed
to be here to tell my story,
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because a lot of times
when they do stories like this,
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they cut out the good parts
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on the true meaning
of what we had to go through.
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Some of it is traumatic.
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Some of it was happy,
some of it was sad,
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but overall, it was an experience
in history that needs to be told.
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Izzi interview, A-cam. Take one.
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I want you to be comfortable.
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-Right.
-Your regular self.
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It's just me and you having
our everyday conversation,
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-you're telling me stories.
-Okay.
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I consider myself
to be of transgender experience
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because I spend half of my life
as a transgender woman
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and half of my life as a non-binary boy.
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For me, life as a young trans person
was very difficult.
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It was a whole different
kind of learning process
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for me and everybody around me.
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Coming from a prominent
Black family, middle class,
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my dad was a mason,
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had a lot of rules and regulations
around masculinity.
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I was the child that didn't want
to play football,
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didn't want to mud roll,
didn't want to do any of that.
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I wanted to jump rope,
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cut up the curtains and turn them
into evening gowns.
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That was me.
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I was the child that got caught
in high heels all the time.
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I started at an early age.
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Growing up for me,
being in a household,
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there were specific gender roles.
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The women cooked, the men worked.
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The kitchen was, like,
specific for the women,
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and for me,
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my mom would let me in there
with all my sisters.
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I was the only male-born one
that was allowed there.
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Even though my grandmother was
affirming, my other siblings weren't.
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My aunts and uncles,
they didn't understand.
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My community in the neighborhood
that I grew up in
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was very harmful.
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-We're siblings. Biological sisters.
-One hundred percent. I'm the oldest.
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And a lot of people don't believe us,
but we are literally siblings.
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Don't breathe.
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Being Pentecostal, my uncle
was the pastor of our church.
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There was a lot of pressure
in being the stereotypical,
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cisgender heterosexual male for them.
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Our family did not give us the tools
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necessary for us to grow healthily.
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My mother always told me,
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never let anyone tell you
you can't do something.
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And when they told me that I had
to leave because of all of this,
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I said, "You always told me,
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'never let no one tell you
you can't do something.'"
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I ran away. I ran away to save my life.
I ran away so I could breathe.
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I ran away to get the hell away
from those people.
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I ran away for peace of mind,
for safety.
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Yes, I had to sleep on the train.
Yes, I was homeless.
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I'd rather the A train than that house
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with all that pomp and circumstance
and all of the "religion."
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I was safer in the street
than I was ever in that household.
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It was 1983. I was on my own.
I was transitioning at this time.
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Back then, being a trans woman,
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unless you had your ID changed
and Social Security card,
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you couldn't just walk
into a place and get a job.
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Some people choose sex work
because they want to.
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Some choose it
because they had no choice.
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A lot of us back then
did not have a choice
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because jobs were not accessible to us.
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At that time, people were not hiring
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people that looked like me.
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So, girls did what they had to do,
and that was to go to the Ho Stroll.
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I would say every borough had a stroll
where the girls would work.
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The Stroll in
the Meatpacking District
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was nothing but transwomen
down there.
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It was a place where the young gays,
the older gays, cross-dressers,
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trans women, drag queens,
they can go and make money.
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So, the tricks
knew what they was getting
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because that was the only people
that hustled down in the village.
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Every queer young person knew
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that Christopher Street
in the Village was the gay Mecca
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of New York City.
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Hey, girl!
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And the further west you went,
the more empty it became.
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There you could see queer people
having fun and being sexually free.
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By the water,
there were these dilapidated piers
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where you would see
gay men having sex.
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And in the center of it all
was this ten-by-12-block radius
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called the Meatpacking District.
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We called 14th Street The Stroll,
and that was our turf.
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The Meatpacking District
was not a neighborhood people came to.
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You never walked
into this neighborhood.
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There was a very defined
dividing line at Eighth Avenue.
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I am a long-time resident
of the Meatpacking District.
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I have a gallery in the Triangle Building
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and everybody knows this building
'cause it's in the middle of the street.
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This space was in The Village Voice.
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Eighteen hundred square feet
with a wood-burning fireplace.
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I called somebody who I knew
lived in the building,
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and I said, you know,
"What is it like down there?"
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"You know, it looks really grimy.
It looks really dangerous."
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"Everybody says it's dangerous."
And she said, "It's not dangerous at all."
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"It's wonderful. It stinks
because it is the Meatpacking District
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and there's blood and inedibles
and meat all around,
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but besides that,
it's a great neighborhood."
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People wouldn't even walk through it.
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People walked through
the meat market back then,
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they... they held their nose.
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I mean, you had to be one of us
to get used to the odors.
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Without a doubt,
it was its own little city.
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And every building
had a meat company in it.
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Back then you would have to be careful,
when you were walking down the street,
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you couldn't walk too close to a truck
because the meat would come flying off.
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That's how fast the trucks
were unloaded.
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Just the amount of meat
that was cut here.
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Back then, to me,
it was just the most amazing place.
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Well, the first time I came here
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was when I was driving a taxi.
I was born up in the Bronx,
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so I had all these questions
about my sexuality
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that I was trying to come
to terms with,
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and I discovered
The Meatpacking District.
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You have all these fetish bars,
fetish clubs, underground events,
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brick factories,
and falling apart buildings
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and empty lots.
The life, the light, the shadows.
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It was such a film noir
kind of atmosphere,
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and that's what I wanted
to capture with my camera.
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There were prosties here almost 24/7.
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They would conduct
their business in parked cars
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right on the street,
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and the prosties would often
hang out under the elevated
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West Side Highway,
and, y'know, wait for passing johns.
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The S&M bars, the hookers,
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the meatpackers.
That's what was down here.
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When I first went out there,
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it felt like we were going
through a secret passage.
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I just saw all these beautiful women,
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and I was like, "Oh, my God,
what is all these girls doing out here?"
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"They so beautiful."
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I remember one particular night,
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this girl asked me to block her
while she fixed her tuck.
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I said, "Tuck," I said, "What is that?"
And this girl looked nice.
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So, while she was fixing her tuck,
I turned around and I looked,
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and I said, "Oh, my God,
you have a penis."
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She was like, "I'm a trans woman."
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And I said, "This is what
all these girls out here are?"
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I said, "Oh, my God,
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I want to do this. This is me."
I said, "I... I got to do this."
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I remember, like,
when I first stepped on to 14th Street,
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when we came around that corner
and all I seen were,
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like, it felt like hundreds
of trans women were out there.
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But I remember it was...
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I saw you, and Ceyenne,
and a bunch of other girls.
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And it was just amazing, like,
to see strong, Black trans women.
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Yeah. This is what started my journey
because I wanted to be that.
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And I used to watch the girls.
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And then it was when I came
to the decision, I was like,
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"I'm going to...
you know, transition." And...
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Because I had seen everybody
so confident in themselves.
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And so I was able to draw that
out of myself.
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So, when I first stepped on
to that Stroll,
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it empowered me to be like,
"If they can live their life like this,
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then I can live my life like this too."
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Right here, the picture
was taken back there...
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-Oh, really?
-...the reflection of the--
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-It was water.
-Okay.
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The coat opened out--
It was taken right there.
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-Wow.
-Because there was nobody back here
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-but me and the photographer.
-Okay.
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I was gonna let you
see the goods for free, baby.
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You can't see it for free, girl.
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But I didn't have
all this va-va-la-voom then.
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But I have arrived now.
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Thank you.
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I can't believe it's still here.
I'm reminiscing.
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This was my favorite
little corner right here.
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This is where I worked at.
I didn't allow no one in that corner.
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-Oh, my God. I'm right here.
-Oh, she loves the trucks.
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I used to-- We used to take them
back here, look,
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because sometimes the people
would forget to lock the trucks,
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because there was nothing
in the back of the trucks,
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but funky meat that ain't there no more,
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so we would take the clients
right back here.
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-Don't get stuck back there, honey.
-Oh, no, baby.
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Big Mama's in charge now,
she gets stuck nowhere, darling.
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-Open the door.
-Yeah. I'm not touching it now.
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But, you know, back then,
we would open up the door
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and take a client back,
that was like the hotel room.
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You know, the guy's back there.
And do what Mother does best.
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The Stroll mothers.
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They were the ones who took us
under their wing.
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These girls showed me the ropes.
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These girls showed me
what streets to stay safe on,
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what not to do,
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so that the minute
I got off on 14th Street
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on the PATH train and I started walking,
236
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and you could hear
the clickety-clack of the heels.
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I knew that was Ceyenne,
I knew Nicole was around the corner.
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I knew where everybody was at.
It was just the banter,
239
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the allure of just having
that, "How's tricks, girl?"
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"Oh, it's late... oh, it's late for you,
not for me, girl. You should go home."
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Just the cattiness of it.
242
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Like, these girls taught me
how to survive.
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In the middle of West Side Highway,
that people today call the High Line,
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was the train tracks.
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When I first went out there
with one of my girlfriends,
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I was petrified.
247
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I mean, she's walking up
and down the street,
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calling cars, and I'm like,
"What are you doing?"
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She said, "This is how
we're going to make some money."
250
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People are tooting their horns
at me,
251
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and people trying to get me
in their cars
252
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and I kept saying no.
253
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Until she said, "Girl, the only way
you're gonna get money,
254
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you have to get in a car."
255
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"Go do what you gotta do."
256
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"Don't let them make you do
anything you don't want to do."
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I've had clients that want me to do
some of the weirdest things.
258
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But let me tell you about this client.
This client was weird.
259
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This guy would do pretend blowjobs
and pretend sex and pay me
260
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-for prete-- Yes.
-For dollar?
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Yes, I remember. I remember now,
he was very, like, hygienic.
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He was practicing social distancing
before it became a trend.
263
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Yeah, I was-- This mortician guy, right,
264
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and he would date me
and I would go up to his house
265
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and I would sit in his stairwell,
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it was like 100 dollars in,
like, three minutes,
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maybe less than three minutes,
because all he did was take me,
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spin me around, and by the time
I came back this way,
269
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he had already nutted
on the floor and I left.
270
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One of my first nights out there,
I went with this guy to a hotel,
271
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and I was like, "Okay, so...
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I'm going to be a bottom for you."
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Whatever, whatever.
Is it okay if I explain it?
274
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-Girl, you're fine.
-Okay.
275
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Pegging, they call it pegging
today, but...
276
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Okay.
277
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In my mind, being on 14th Street
when I was a beginner,
278
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nobody told me the ifs and outs about,
279
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"Okay, you're a trans woman,
you use your tool, or your wand."
280
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I figured out
that I was very well-endowed,
281
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which I didn't really look
at my private parts, so...
282
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That played... that played
a lot in my life with--
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because I used
to make so much money.
284
00:17:31,839 --> 00:17:34,319
And how old were you when you
first went out to The Stroll?
285
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I think I was 15. Fifteen.
286
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The first time
that I've ever seen The Stroll,
287
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stepping back, was scary.
288
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I'm not gonna lie. It gave me anxiety.
I was having a panic attack
289
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because I didn't wanna
have sex with people.
290
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That wasn't really
what I was interested in.
291
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But I had no clue
292
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on how to get money
at 15 years old on the street.
293
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So, that's where I ended up.
294
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I cried. I cried like a baby
first time I had to do sexual acts
295
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with someone for money
and he told me to get out.
296
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The first time, I was traumatized
297
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because this man wanted me
to do some sexual act
298
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with him for money.
299
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And I knew what I was going to do.
But it's-- When you actually do it
300
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the reality sets in, "What are you doing?"
And it was terrifying.
301
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Right, 'cause like,
I'm not really attracted to this man.
302
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Not at all.
303
00:18:38,079 --> 00:18:39,119
Because you got to realize,
304
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you have all different shapes,
colors and sizes.
305
00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,920
I've gotten in cars with people
with the worst thing
306
00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:48,400
I've ever seen in my entire life.
307
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It was like, "Oh, my God."
But those Benjamins sounded great.
308
00:19:00,559 --> 00:19:02,839
I remember, it was a warm night.
309
00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,519
And I was feeling myself. I was.
310
00:19:06,599 --> 00:19:11,119
This young man pulled up in a car
and he was mad cute.
311
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And I thought to myself,
"Elizabeth, you deserve
312
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a little bit of fun time."
313
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"So, go ahead. Have your fun."
314
00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:26,839
I remember him taking me
to the side of St. Vincent Hospital.
315
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Went to go perform on him.
316
00:19:29,799 --> 00:19:33,200
And that's when I heard
the back door is open to the car.
317
00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:35,480
Next thing I know,
318
00:19:36,279 --> 00:19:39,079
he punched me out.
And between all three of them...
319
00:19:41,319 --> 00:19:42,680
assaulted me and robbed me.
320
00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,039
I ran into St. Vincent Hospital,
into the ER waiting area.
321
00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,440
I was just literally assaulted
and I was screaming for help.
322
00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,039
And the security guard
told me that I had to leave,
323
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that I couldn't be there.
324
00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:57,119
And I remember,
325
00:19:58,079 --> 00:19:59,960
basically, telling him,
"You know what, fuck you,"
326
00:20:00,759 --> 00:20:02,759
picked up my strap, one of my straps,
327
00:20:02,839 --> 00:20:05,599
and walked out
and walked to The Stroll crying.
328
00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,519
Whether it was from the police
who chased you and beat you up,
329
00:20:11,599 --> 00:20:13,160
and wanted to force you to have sex,
330
00:20:13,759 --> 00:20:16,200
whether it was from the john
who didn't have enough money
331
00:20:16,279 --> 00:20:18,839
and you knew he was short,
so you was trying to get away from him,
332
00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:20,799
but he wanted you to finish the job.
333
00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,200
A lot of the guys knew
where we populated at,
334
00:20:23,279 --> 00:20:25,240
and sometimes that became
very unsafe.
335
00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,279
I had a little bit of everything
in my pocketbook.
336
00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:33,640
Mace, hammer, you name it.
I learned to defend myself
337
00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,680
because I was always
in close proximity of violence.
338
00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,880
There was a lot of times
where I came into danger.
339
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,200
Then that's when I became
the Battle Bot.
340
00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,119
You know,
you wasn't gonna take my money.
341
00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,480
You wasn't gonna beat me up.
I was gonna get you
342
00:20:47,559 --> 00:20:48,599
before you got me.
343
00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,920
Wonder Woman is this all-powerful
woman who can handle anything.
344
00:20:55,559 --> 00:20:57,279
I call 'em my Wonder Woman powers
345
00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:00,200
because I have to deal
with crazy people,
346
00:21:00,279 --> 00:21:02,319
when I'm getting
in and out of your car.
347
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:03,480
I don't know
where you're going to be at.
348
00:21:03,559 --> 00:21:05,839
You don't know
what their motives are.
349
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:07,680
You don't know
what type of mood they're in.
350
00:21:07,759 --> 00:21:11,240
So, you have to be able
to think that fast.
351
00:21:11,319 --> 00:21:12,759
And I love that you call it
Wonder Woman,
352
00:21:12,839 --> 00:21:14,960
because I used to call it
Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
353
00:21:15,039 --> 00:21:17,039
And I'm out here slaying all these dicks.
354
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,319
If I ever got in trouble
with one person, a guy,
355
00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,599
every girl that was
on The Stroll was there.
356
00:21:29,599 --> 00:21:31,400
The girls stuck together more then
357
00:21:32,319 --> 00:21:35,559
-and protected each other.
-Especially when we were in danger.
358
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,039
Because if one was in trouble,
we all were in trouble.
359
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,200
And that-- I miss that part
about the rallying together
360
00:21:42,279 --> 00:21:43,440
to protect each other.
361
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,559
-He is cute!
-Look, they ready.
362
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:53,559
Hey, boo.
363
00:21:54,759 --> 00:21:55,839
-No!
-No.
364
00:21:56,799 --> 00:21:58,960
-No.
-No, we're talking about our lives.
365
00:21:59,039 --> 00:22:00,519
We're talking about our lives.
366
00:22:01,319 --> 00:22:03,279
Out here before this became this.
367
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:05,559
-Yeah.
-Yeah.
368
00:22:08,799 --> 00:22:13,000
-He said, "I remember that."
-I'm sure you do. What's your name?
369
00:22:14,279 --> 00:22:15,279
-Bob.
-Bill.
370
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,160
Bill? Bob Reg, Bob Regular?
371
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:19,519
Still got it.
372
00:22:19,599 --> 00:22:22,640
-Wait, you gotta get in the mirror.
-That bitch has still got it.
373
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,640
-You got to tell them.
-Come on, baby. Check your face.
374
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,440
-What did you say? The diva will what?
-Will succeed.
375
00:22:30,039 --> 00:22:32,759
-Pump. Pump.
-The diva will succeed.
376
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:35,720
You know this is huge.
377
00:22:35,799 --> 00:22:38,039
And you ain't probably
take this trip in a minute.
378
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,279
I remember, with The Vault.
And RuPaul.
379
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,759
Remember when RuPaul
used to be out here?
380
00:22:44,839 --> 00:22:47,759
And she used to film her videos
with the tricks?
381
00:22:47,839 --> 00:22:50,359
Located in Manhattan's
Lower West Side,
382
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:54,240
the meat market is filled
with transvestite hookers by night.
383
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,400
I ought to know because
I live right around the block.
384
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,480
I asked some of the girls,
boys, girls, whatever,
385
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,119
if I could, you know,
take a look inside of their world.
386
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:05,200
Let's go see what's going on.
387
00:23:05,279 --> 00:23:07,079
Maybe I'll get lucky.
Maybe I'll make my rent money.
388
00:23:07,759 --> 00:23:08,680
Come on, you guys.
389
00:23:09,319 --> 00:23:12,400
I was looking for footage for the doc,
that's when I seen the clip.
390
00:23:12,759 --> 00:23:16,559
When I was researching,
I was starting with transgender hookers.
391
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:22,559
And that wasn't the right word. The right
word was "transvestite hookers."
392
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:25,759
Do you have a boss?
Do you work for yourself?
393
00:23:25,839 --> 00:23:27,480
Oh, yeah, for myself, of course.
394
00:23:27,839 --> 00:23:29,559
Are you ever scared
out here on the street?
395
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,839
Yeah. Huh. Sometimes it's hard,
you know? Sometimes...
396
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:34,960
sometimes people get really rough,
though.
397
00:23:35,039 --> 00:23:38,000
And you know, I have been in some--
My purse has been stolen
398
00:23:38,079 --> 00:23:39,200
several times, though.
399
00:23:39,279 --> 00:23:40,799
But it's very much to be careful.
400
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,640
You carry some mace
or something in your purse, honey,
401
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,960
you've got to mace these motherfuckers
'cause they crazy.
402
00:23:45,319 --> 00:23:46,640
Ru should have known better.
403
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,319
I felt like, from her tone,
that this was light-hearted
404
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:50,319
and a joke for her.
405
00:23:51,079 --> 00:23:53,559
I've had to talk
to people or be with people
406
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:54,839
who I didn't necessarily know
407
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,559
and I had to be friendly
with them, you know?
408
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,039
And that's the hooking sense.
And so what's the difference?
409
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,160
I guess the difference is
I didn't have to go down
410
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:05,839
on those people, but if you ask me,
it's almost the exact same.
411
00:24:09,599 --> 00:24:12,119
I love it.
I may have to change my vocation.
412
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,759
The reality of homelessness
413
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:24,599
and transitioning
and trans life in general.
414
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:27,359
It was-- It was difficult.
415
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:31,680
Because we got shunned from society.
416
00:24:31,759 --> 00:24:35,799
We couldn't find work
without having to revert back
417
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,680
to presenting as cis.
418
00:24:40,079 --> 00:24:44,039
The longer you are there,
it becomes more like a dead-end street.
419
00:24:46,519 --> 00:24:47,720
I had to sleep in a movie theater.
420
00:24:48,839 --> 00:24:52,200
And being like, "I'm a trans woman,
a homeless trans woman
421
00:24:52,279 --> 00:24:54,160
sleeping in this movie theater, like,
422
00:24:54,519 --> 00:24:56,599
this is as close to Hollywood
I'm gonna get."
423
00:24:59,319 --> 00:25:02,079
But I refused to let the world
beat me down.
424
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,880
Back then, we just took our punches.
425
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,680
We've been taking them for decades.
426
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:16,720
The sixth precinct is located
427
00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:19,240
in Greenwich Village,
where many homosexuals live.
428
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,720
It also encompasses
a parking area for trucks
429
00:25:22,799 --> 00:25:24,880
under the West Side Highway
along the Hudson River.
430
00:25:25,519 --> 00:25:27,279
The trucks are a known gathering spot
431
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:31,599
and solicitation area for homosexuals
who use the trucks for sexual acts.
432
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,880
Certain acts committed by homosexuals,
433
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,640
such as dressing in drag,
hanging around the trucks,
434
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,640
as we refer to it in the sixth precinct,
435
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,200
and certain, as we term it,
unnatural acts
436
00:25:44,279 --> 00:25:46,279
or-- which may be committed
on the street.
437
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,359
Do you think that has really helped
the image of the homosexual?
438
00:25:49,839 --> 00:25:53,119
I absolutely, 100 percent,
wholeheartedly think
439
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,359
that the sixth precinct
of the NYPD had full,
440
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,319
utter contempt
towards the trans community.
441
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:03,799
I had a total of 68 arrests.
442
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:04,920
-If I'm not mistaken.
-Oh, wow.
443
00:26:05,599 --> 00:26:08,880
You know, I passed through
a lot of experience with the NYPD.
444
00:26:09,279 --> 00:26:10,799
Especially sixth precinct.
445
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,839
Tasty Tuesdays
and Tasty Thursdays.
446
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,440
It's funny that y'all called it that
because we called it TNT.
447
00:26:16,519 --> 00:26:19,680
You... you know, there was times
that the girls already knew
448
00:26:20,039 --> 00:26:22,599
the schedule and it would be empty.
449
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,200
So, I guess once they seemed
to have been emptied,
450
00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:28,640
the girls started getting
the hang of the lock up days.
451
00:26:29,319 --> 00:26:31,160
That's when they started
switching it around
452
00:26:31,519 --> 00:26:33,119
and lock you up on a Friday.
453
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:34,599
You didn't want to get locked on a Friday
454
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,480
-because then that's all weekend in jail.
-Yep.
455
00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:38,480
You know, the days that you know
that you're gonna spend
456
00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:39,880
the weekend in the bullpens.
457
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,680
Yeah, I've made
those mistakes a few times.
458
00:26:41,759 --> 00:26:42,799
Yeah.
459
00:26:43,839 --> 00:26:46,079
You had to stay busy
to avoid the police.
460
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:47,839
You had to, like, stay on the move.
461
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,839
And sitting, sitting on a car,
smoking a cigarette, maybe,
462
00:26:52,519 --> 00:26:54,880
acting like I'm talking
on a phone that don't work,
463
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,599
and that kept me alive.
464
00:26:58,839 --> 00:27:01,640
"Walking While Trans"
is a piece of legislation
465
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,880
that allowed sex workers,
466
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,720
especially trans sex workers,
to be stop-and-frisk for decades.
467
00:27:09,759 --> 00:27:13,559
I was arrested many times
just going to the store
468
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,839
to get bread, for example,
469
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,839
and police officers would arrest me
470
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,880
under the suspicion that I was loitering
for purposes of prostitution.
471
00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:26,240
You would sit in a police vehicle,
472
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,440
a half a block to a block away.
You would have a set of binoculars.
473
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,200
All right. You would focus in
on a particular area.
474
00:27:33,759 --> 00:27:35,200
While you're focusing
on that particular area,
475
00:27:35,279 --> 00:27:36,920
you write down the time
you started looking.
476
00:27:38,079 --> 00:27:40,200
As vehicles make the turn,
depending on where it is,
477
00:27:41,079 --> 00:27:43,799
either the he/she
or transvestite waves him down
478
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,079
or they stop
and have a brief conversation.
479
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:51,079
That's one. It repeats again, that's two.
It repeats a third time, that's three.
480
00:27:51,519 --> 00:27:54,359
After the third time,
we will slowly drive up.
481
00:27:54,839 --> 00:27:56,480
One of us will exit out
of the radio car.
482
00:27:56,559 --> 00:27:59,359
The other will drive past.
And we'll basically close in,
483
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:00,640
and put the individual under arrest.
484
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,839
Put the individual in the back
of the police car,
485
00:28:03,319 --> 00:28:05,799
take it to another location,
put it in a van as a holding area.
486
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,079
Then we will go back and repeat it,
487
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,720
depending on how many girls
we're gonna take in that night.
488
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,359
Last Sunday night that just passed,
we locked up six females,
489
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,720
the rest of the night,
the whole area was clear,
490
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,240
which basically lets them know
that we're not playing around
491
00:28:21,599 --> 00:28:23,599
and we'll be out again
and we'll lock them up again
492
00:28:24,039 --> 00:28:29,440
until they get the message and realize
that 14th Street is not prostitution.
493
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,720
A lot of my clients were officers,
494
00:28:34,799 --> 00:28:39,039
a lot of my client--
COs, officers, all of it.
495
00:28:39,119 --> 00:28:43,200
One, he used to drive a paddy wagon.
He was a Black guy,
496
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,359
and he would pick me up
497
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,960
and we would go
right on the West Side Highway.
498
00:28:48,039 --> 00:28:51,839
You know, so he wasn't shy
about what he was doing.
499
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,240
Two days ago, there was an officer.
500
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,079
And he turned trick with me
and he said that he was--
501
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,880
he's all for it,
and he wanted it to be legalized.
502
00:29:04,519 --> 00:29:07,720
He was a nice officer.
Very cute, if I must say.
503
00:29:07,799 --> 00:29:12,319
-How'd you pick him up, was he on duty?
-No, he was off duty, in a gorgeous car.
504
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,720
He was in a stingray. I was gasping
when I found out he was an officer.
505
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,839
I actually gave fellatio
506
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,599
to a very beautiful, beautiful,
beautiful young Black man
507
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:23,599
who was a cop.
508
00:29:24,599 --> 00:29:28,279
And after I was done
doing his deed, he arrested me.
509
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,119
I drive around here, but I don't go out.
510
00:29:32,079 --> 00:29:34,839
-Why d'you drive around here?
-'Cause I lock 'em up on occasion.
511
00:29:36,759 --> 00:29:40,039
They used to come around
in different type of vehicles
512
00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:42,400
to count the girls on The Stroll.
513
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:43,680
We didn't know who's who.
514
00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:46,599
You know, everybody's a client.
Everybody's a trick.
515
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,359
So, we would not notice that
and then the paddy wagon
516
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,599
would come like 15 or 20 minutes
later to swipe us all up.
517
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:56,640
When the police were around,
518
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,440
the girls would scream, "Mag,"
like the TV show Magnum P.I.
519
00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:03,319
Once you heard "Mags,"
then you would see the girls
520
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,279
dipping and dodging
under trucks and around corners.
521
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,640
The police would scramble the girls
522
00:30:10,039 --> 00:30:13,680
by driving the squad cars
on top of the sidewalk,
523
00:30:13,759 --> 00:30:16,599
blaring their sirens
to chase us out of the area.
524
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,720
And after the cops went away,
the girls would re-emerge
525
00:30:19,799 --> 00:30:22,079
from under the trucks
and get back to work.
526
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,759
Some nights you may get arrested,
527
00:30:24,839 --> 00:30:27,400
spend the night in jail,
get a little community service,
528
00:30:28,119 --> 00:30:30,400
and then we'd be back on The Stroll
the very next night.
529
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,359
We can't just be normal people
that work.
530
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,759
They will categorize us
as sex workers first
531
00:30:37,079 --> 00:30:40,440
before employers,
employees, before anything.
532
00:30:40,519 --> 00:30:43,079
We will be drug addicts,
whores, and prostitutes
533
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:44,119
before we're...
534
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:51,839
I hope their tires bust.
535
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,920
...specifically homosexuals,
on the street,
536
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,200
possibly fondling each other
in a... in an unlawful manner.
537
00:31:04,279 --> 00:31:08,160
A lot of my time I would go
to the library
538
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,559
to rest and have some kind
of shelter over my head.
539
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,599
And so I would find myself researching.
540
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,279
I was always into history,
specifically trans history,
541
00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:23,839
and I would always talk
to the older girls on The Stroll
542
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,480
about the '70s and '80s.
543
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,480
And then one day I met Sylvia Rivera.
544
00:31:30,119 --> 00:31:31,240
I said, "Are we happy?"
545
00:31:32,079 --> 00:31:36,079
When I first met Sylvia Rivera
in the summer of 2000,
546
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,279
I wish I had just paid
a little bit more attention.
547
00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:45,400
Sylvia was a sex worker and activist
who had been around for decades.
548
00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:48,480
She was one of the initiators
of the Stonewall riots.
549
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,200
I think Sylvia being out on the streets
550
00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:54,880
and having to fend for herself
at such an early age,
551
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,920
she saw herself in many of our shoes,
in many of our situations.
552
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,640
She is the icon. She was like
the mother of the community.
553
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:07,599
Her and Marsha.
554
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,680
Marsha and Sylvia founded STAR,
555
00:32:33,119 --> 00:32:35,480
Street Transvestite
Action Revolutionaries,
556
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,599
the first trans sex workers'
rights organization.
557
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,720
Marsha and I both grew up
at a very early age on Times Square.
558
00:32:44,799 --> 00:32:47,000
Marsha was seven years my senior,
559
00:32:47,079 --> 00:32:52,200
and we had seen the suffering
from the '60s into the '70s
560
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,720
of the trans youth
and the gay youth being homeless,
561
00:32:56,799 --> 00:33:01,920
because we'd either run away or
either we get kicked out from our home.
562
00:33:08,839 --> 00:33:12,960
I think the gay community wanted
to be accepted into mainstream society
563
00:33:13,319 --> 00:33:17,559
to show people that homosexuals
are just like everybody else.
564
00:33:18,079 --> 00:33:21,839
So, when you have trans
and gender nonconforming people,
565
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,319
it just makes things
a little bit more difficult to explain.
566
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,559
Y'all all better quiet down.
567
00:33:31,359 --> 00:33:35,319
Y'all tell me go and hide
my tail between my legs.
568
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,960
I will not prolong
or put up with this shit.
569
00:33:40,039 --> 00:33:43,960
I have been beaten,
I have had my nose broken,
570
00:33:44,039 --> 00:33:48,079
I have been thrown in jail.
I have lost my job,
571
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,680
I have I lost my apartment
for gay liberation.
572
00:33:51,759 --> 00:33:56,119
And you all treat me this way?
What the fuck's wrong with you all?
573
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,160
Think about that.
574
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,119
Sylvia was like a blueprint,
575
00:34:02,759 --> 00:34:06,599
you know, seeing her up there
on that stage, getting hoarse,
576
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,840
screaming at everybody.
I knew that there was a need for that.
577
00:34:11,559 --> 00:34:13,039
And if she could do it, I could do it.
578
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:15,679
Or at least try.
579
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,518
The mainstream lesbian and gay
community
580
00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:23,880
drove Sylvia and Marsha crazy
581
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,599
because they put themselves
on the line to fight
582
00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:28,480
for gay liberation and power.
583
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,039
After all they fought for,
they were pushed to the side.
584
00:34:35,079 --> 00:34:40,960
Gay America does not care.
They don't care about their own.
585
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,400
We did. We did, when we-- In 1970.
586
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,599
We had to build them, we did everything.
587
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:58,880
We fucking fed... we fed children.
We took care of children.
588
00:34:59,639 --> 00:35:02,719
Damn it! This is my history.
589
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:15,119
This was literally a dilapidated pier
with holes in it.
590
00:35:16,199 --> 00:35:17,719
There was nothing here for years.
591
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,239
-Nothing.
-And then you had this
592
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,519
whole, like, area
with Sylvia's encampment.
593
00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:25,760
'Cause this... I can't even tell
what it is anymore.
594
00:35:26,119 --> 00:35:27,239
That's right.
595
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,000
But basically where we're at, right,
596
00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:31,559
standing right here
is where the encampment was.
597
00:35:32,039 --> 00:35:35,199
It used to be where a lot of homeless
queer youth used to spend the night.
598
00:35:35,679 --> 00:35:38,480
Didn't have anywhere to go.
They knew this was like a safe place
599
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,159
to be able to congregate, sometimes
spend the night and sleep here.
600
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,000
I actually spent several nights in this.
601
00:35:44,639 --> 00:35:46,000
We've all spent the night on this thing.
602
00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:47,159
-At some point.
-Yeah.
603
00:35:48,679 --> 00:35:52,920
I was on the pier
where we literally had huts.
604
00:35:54,159 --> 00:35:56,320
People started making more
and more and more.
605
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,880
You had single room ones.
You had three-bedroom ones.
606
00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:03,320
That's how big they got.
They was like your own apartment.
607
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,360
This is my little segment of the house,
608
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,719
because Vinny and Tom
live on that side.
609
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:09,719
You can go in.
610
00:36:10,199 --> 00:36:12,119
You know, it's, you know,
very...
611
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,559
decor, you know.
612
00:36:14,639 --> 00:36:18,840
We have a film crew.
You know, we have it dressed up.
613
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,800
Down there was Shady Brook Lane.
614
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,599
We had like five or six
other houses down there
615
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:31,000
with another open kitchen.
We had a Thanksgiving dinner,
616
00:36:31,079 --> 00:36:34,760
and we had Christmas here one year.
617
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,679
And we had lots of fun here.
618
00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:40,079
It became a village of people
619
00:36:40,159 --> 00:36:43,000
taking care of each other.
This our neighborhood.
620
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,599
Excuse me. Don't be going in my house!
621
00:36:55,159 --> 00:36:58,119
One day, policemen came over.
They gave us a certain date.
622
00:36:58,199 --> 00:36:59,840
"On that date, we're putting gates up."
623
00:37:00,519 --> 00:37:02,400
This is when they said,
"You guys have to leave."
624
00:37:05,159 --> 00:37:07,079
I, Rudolph William Giuliani.
625
00:37:07,159 --> 00:37:09,360
-"Do solemnly swear."
-Do solemnly swear.
626
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,320
"That I will support the
the constitution of the..."
627
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,039
With the pledge to fight crime
and the city's nagging deficit,
628
00:37:14,119 --> 00:37:17,800
Rudolph Giuliani took the oath of office
as the 107th mayor of New York.
629
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,440
Giuliani, a former US attorney
630
00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:23,039
and the first Republican elected
in nearly two decades,
631
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:24,920
narrowly defeated
incumbent David Dinkins
632
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,840
on a platform to take back
New York's dangerous streets.
633
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,320
American cities
can't survive as we know them
634
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,079
if they remain so violent.
635
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,280
The era of fear has had
a long enough reign.
636
00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:39,480
The period of doubt has run its course.
637
00:37:40,599 --> 00:37:43,840
New York is in the middle
of its worst recession for 50 years.
638
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,159
But the economy
isn't the key issue here.
639
00:37:46,519 --> 00:37:50,360
The one issue today
that obsesses New Yorkers: crime.
640
00:37:51,639 --> 00:37:54,280
Rudy Giuliani brought in
Broken Windows Policing.
641
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,920
Broken Windows theory is basically that,
642
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,719
where there is disorder there--
It will lead to violent crime.
643
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:06,639
So, they basically elided things
like graffiti, loitering,
644
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,079
boomboxes, sex work,
with rape and murder.
645
00:38:10,639 --> 00:38:13,599
So, when you see graffiti, someone's
gonna get raped and murdered.
646
00:38:13,679 --> 00:38:15,760
This is not true. It's been debunked,
647
00:38:16,119 --> 00:38:20,119
but in the dominant imagination
of the ruling class,
648
00:38:20,199 --> 00:38:23,199
disorder has to be destroyed
to keep us safe.
649
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,920
If one window is left broken,
the theory goes, others are shattered.
650
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,840
Pretty soon, the entire building,
the entire neighborhood, decays.
651
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,480
Where we seen
back in the '70s and '80s,
652
00:38:34,559 --> 00:38:37,280
girls were getting arrested sporadically,
653
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:44,000
Giuliani literally came for us
in ways that we've never seen before.
654
00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:46,719
We were taken out of a place
of freedom
655
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,199
and put into a place
where we were cattle.
656
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,039
Christopher Street became
his target.
657
00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:54,679
42nd Street became his target.
658
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:59,079
These were known places
where we could thrive and survive.
659
00:39:01,519 --> 00:39:04,039
We want to show people
improvement in the quality
660
00:39:04,119 --> 00:39:06,039
of their life, that things
are getting better for them,
661
00:39:06,599 --> 00:39:09,639
that things are safer,
quieter, more peaceful.
662
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,280
A city that they can use and enjoy.
663
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,880
Ladies and gentlemen,
Washington Square Park is now closed.
664
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,920
This is where I live
and I don't like to see this
665
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,159
and I don't like to deal with this.
666
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:19,840
So, if they can crack down
on that and get rid
667
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,440
of some of that stuff,
I'd be very pleased.
668
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,519
The police aim
to please with their crack down.
669
00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:27,280
This week they showed off
the kind of new equipment
670
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,679
which cost the department
half a million dollars.
671
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:33,000
Night vision cameras,
miniature tape recorders,
672
00:39:33,079 --> 00:39:35,519
noise meters.
Officers in Greenwich Village
673
00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:38,880
have written nearly
2000 summonses since March.
674
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,639
People without IDs are brought
to the precinct station,
675
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,960
and those who fail to show
in court are tracked down.
676
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,320
If you don't respond,
if you just throw it in your drawer
677
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,920
and forget about it, it comes back
as a warrant for your arrest.
678
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,440
You stop doing it for a while,
679
00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:53,639
it comes back just as bad
if not worse than before.
680
00:39:54,159 --> 00:39:55,320
You have to keep after it.
681
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:57,880
It's like a police state in a way,
682
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,639
sometimes the way
they just stop people at will.
683
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:05,239
Racist, sexist, anti-gay!
Giuliani, go away!
684
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:09,440
Racist, sexist, anti-gay!
Giuliani, go away!
685
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,880
Quality of life initiatives
made you ask, "Whose life?"
686
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:18,719
Because these were initiatives
that were supposed to "clean up"
687
00:40:19,199 --> 00:40:22,159
the neighborhoods by removing people
688
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:27,239
who were unwanted by
the homeowners, the affluent taxpayers.
689
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,119
They wanted to get rid
of things like, squeegee people,
690
00:40:31,199 --> 00:40:34,440
panhandlers, young people hanging out,
691
00:40:35,119 --> 00:40:37,960
pretty much anybody of color
who was not in a uniform.
692
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,519
I mean, it was profoundly racist,
and also very anti-poor.
693
00:40:43,679 --> 00:40:45,159
You know, during the AIDS epidemic,
694
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,280
a lot of gay-owned buildings
became available
695
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,199
because the owners died,
696
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,280
and a lot of them were bought
by wealthy, straight people.
697
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,360
And then there were
some affluent queer people
698
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,039
who hated the women on The Stroll.
699
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,519
You know, they treat them
like they're ants
700
00:41:00,599 --> 00:41:04,199
or something, right?
They just wanna clear off the street.
701
00:41:04,599 --> 00:41:07,519
Those are the people
who think that the queer youth
702
00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:10,159
in the West Village
should just magically disappear
703
00:41:10,519 --> 00:41:12,000
because it's their neighborhood.
704
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:14,039
Never mind the fact
that the young people were there
705
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,480
decades before
the wealthy people were.
706
00:41:18,039 --> 00:41:21,320
I live in an apartment
on Christopher Street.
707
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,159
We are in danger.
We residents are in danger.
708
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,440
I have to sleep at night.
709
00:41:29,039 --> 00:41:33,559
The immediate need
is for more regular police.
710
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,840
-Exactly.
-We have to get this under control.
711
00:41:40,119 --> 00:41:42,559
The trannies were out
on the street 24/7.
712
00:41:42,639 --> 00:41:45,360
It was really a very bad situation.
713
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,800
They would do their business
inside cars.
714
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,920
Sometimes parked right
in front of a residential building.
715
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,840
You'd walk out of your door at 7:00 am,
and there'd be two people having sex.
716
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:01,159
Not the kind of thing that anybody
should really be subjected to.
717
00:42:02,159 --> 00:42:04,760
The problem is they were using
our streets as their bedrooms.
718
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,960
I voted for Giuliani because I thought
he was the right man for the job,
719
00:42:10,039 --> 00:42:13,039
and having him on our side
definitely was a plus.
720
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,519
In the '90s, I remember
there was this old man
721
00:42:20,599 --> 00:42:22,679
that always used to walk past me,
722
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,280
and he used to be, "Ah, look at you,
you're so disgusting."
723
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,280
"You don't have on any clothes.
You're terrible."
724
00:42:30,039 --> 00:42:36,119
I remember one day this fool
came out with, like, 20 other people,
725
00:42:36,199 --> 00:42:39,360
and they had picket signs,
and they were like,
726
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,760
"We want you
out of our neighborhoods."
727
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,760
"Get out of our neighborhoods,
transvestite bitch."
728
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,599
And they cursed me out, but
I used to put my middle finger up
729
00:42:48,679 --> 00:42:52,639
and get in the car still,
or go down the steps by their house.
730
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:58,079
I didn't give a shit.
I didn't care, honey. Okay?
731
00:43:01,639 --> 00:43:04,599
We started a group
called Villagers Against Crime.
732
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,719
We collected money
from the neighborhood,
733
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,840
and we used it to purchase three
large professional banners.
734
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,920
So, there was a banner
facing the eastbound traffic
735
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:17,639
that was coming on 12th Street.
736
00:43:18,599 --> 00:43:22,199
Another banner facing
the southbound traffic here,
737
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,760
and another one also on
Washington Street a few blocks north.
738
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:30,360
The banner said, in big letters,
"Johns and hookers beware."
739
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,800
"We note license plates,
inform your job and home."
740
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,719
In those days, you could contact
the motor vehicle department,
741
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,400
and for a small fee, get the name
and address of the owners.
742
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,639
So, some of my neighbors
would note the plates of the johns,
743
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:48,119
and they would call them up,
and they would say, "Mr. Smith,
744
00:43:48,199 --> 00:43:51,159
some of my neighbors
have seen you in the neighborhood,
745
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:52,519
dealing with prostitutes."
746
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,519
"They've told me
that if they see you again,
747
00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:56,719
they're gonna call your wife,
748
00:43:57,199 --> 00:44:00,079
they're gonna call your employer
and they're gonna call your neighbor."
749
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,599
People would say, "Oh, prostitution,
that's a victimless crime, isn't it?"
750
00:44:05,679 --> 00:44:09,239
And we'd point it out that no,
the people living in the neighborhood,
751
00:44:09,559 --> 00:44:11,159
we were actually the victims.
752
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,519
Elizabeth, you're very protective
of your little sister.
753
00:44:33,599 --> 00:44:34,760
Did you bring her to New York?
754
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,360
I did. You want me to...
755
00:44:38,159 --> 00:44:39,079
Yeah.
756
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:45,199
My sister was struggling out
in California. One day I called her,
757
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,440
we were talking on the phone
and she expressed to me
758
00:44:47,519 --> 00:44:50,840
that she had been on the night news.
759
00:44:51,519 --> 00:44:55,679
And I asked her why
and it's because she was getting ready
760
00:44:55,760 --> 00:45:00,599
to jump off of a freeway overpass.
And no one in the family knew about it.
761
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,719
There was a lot of things
that I was going through in L.A.,
762
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,079
I was working on The Stroll
in Santa Monica Boulevard.
763
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,039
I had pimps pushing up on me.
764
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,280
I was getting robbed every other night.
765
00:45:13,159 --> 00:45:18,159
I almost got killed by a john who
dragged me for half a block in his car
766
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:19,480
and almost ran me over.
767
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,840
So, and then also just being
new to my transition,
768
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,639
it was like,
I was having a hard time with the...
769
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,119
turning of the backs from the family.
770
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,400
I felt, as her older sister,
771
00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:40,000
a sense of responsibility,
and at the same time, I felt like...
772
00:45:41,639 --> 00:45:45,239
I left her there by herself.
I felt guilty.
773
00:45:47,159 --> 00:45:49,800
Me, my sister, and my friend Desiree
774
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,000
were returning back from our trip
to go pick up my sister.
775
00:45:53,079 --> 00:45:56,599
And when we arrived in New York,
at Port Authority,
776
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,320
the person that I had ran into,
I remember they were like,
777
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:01,679
"Hey, Elizabeth, how you doing?"
And just--
778
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:03,599
The next thing out of their mouth is,
779
00:46:03,679 --> 00:46:05,880
"Did you hear what happened?"
And I said, "What?"
780
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,760
"Amanda Milan was murdered
just a couple of nights ago."
781
00:46:10,519 --> 00:46:13,159
And this person is explaining
it to me, and I could just see
782
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:14,639
that look on my sister's face...
783
00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:21,079
What happened to Amanda Milan...
784
00:46:23,159 --> 00:46:27,800
was every trans woman's
worst nightmare.
785
00:46:28,519 --> 00:46:30,239
She was at the Port Authority.
786
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:34,320
She had gotten into a verbal
altercation with some man,
787
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,000
and he stabbed her in the neck.
788
00:46:39,199 --> 00:46:41,239
But that wasn't the worst part of it.
789
00:46:42,599 --> 00:46:47,400
The worst part is that all the people
that were standing out there watching,
790
00:46:48,199 --> 00:46:52,000
laughing and cheering
because she was a trans woman,
791
00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:53,760
refused to help her...
792
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,400
and she bled out and died.
793
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:00,960
Two people passing this fence
on Wednesday
794
00:47:01,039 --> 00:47:02,679
thought they were looking
at a scarecrow.
795
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:03,960
When they looked closer,
796
00:47:04,039 --> 00:47:06,320
they realized it was
the savagely beaten body
797
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,519
of a young man
who had been tied to the fence
798
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:10,639
and left to die in the cold.
799
00:47:11,119 --> 00:47:13,840
The victim, 22-year-old
Matthew Shepard,
800
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,440
a student at the University of Wyoming.
801
00:47:16,519 --> 00:47:18,960
Police say he was attacked
because he's gay.
802
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,320
Sometimes,
when terrible tragedies strike us,
803
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,639
they bring us to our senses in a way
that would never otherwise be the case.
804
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,840
And I think the horrible death
of Matthew Shepard
805
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:29,519
helped to sober the country up.
806
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,400
This is an amazing turnout.
807
00:47:44,199 --> 00:47:46,400
What happened
to Matthew Shepard, I fell for.
808
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,440
I marched with the people.
Everybody was right behind him.
809
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,599
-Shame! Shame! Shame!
-Back up.
810
00:47:52,679 --> 00:47:55,840
-Protect the streets! Protect the streets!
-Protect the streets! Protect the streets!
811
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,599
You had straight people,
high school kids, all ready
812
00:47:59,679 --> 00:48:04,360
and willing to get maced
and hit by police officers.
813
00:48:05,079 --> 00:48:08,360
But Matthew Shepard
wasn't even from New York.
814
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,039
They were just giving him
a vigil in New York.
815
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:13,239
One of our sisters died.
816
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,800
Amanda Milan was killed
in cold blood in the street.
817
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,440
Literally in front of cameras
and cab drivers,
818
00:48:21,519 --> 00:48:23,079
witnesses, people walking.
819
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:29,519
And when it was time
to give her the proper send-off
820
00:48:29,599 --> 00:48:34,280
to make people aware of this tragedy,
no one wanted to show up.
821
00:48:35,039 --> 00:48:38,880
Very few. And it was only us.
It was only the sisters.
822
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,599
It was only anybody
who could understand her story.
823
00:48:43,159 --> 00:48:45,679
We were on the front line
with the gay and lesbian community,
824
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,519
marching and fighting for equality.
825
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,000
We knew we were freaks to them
826
00:48:51,079 --> 00:48:53,079
because the only time
we were recognized
827
00:48:53,159 --> 00:48:55,840
was when they had events,
when they had parties,
828
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,159
when they needed to make money.
Then we were of value.
829
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,320
But you're not doing anything
to help me from getting attacked.
830
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,639
At the end of the day,
that's not community.
831
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:12,559
With the Amanda Milan actions,
when we had the event take place,
832
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:14,480
who showed up?
833
00:49:15,159 --> 00:49:19,320
Two-hundred people.
It's a... it's a damn shame.
834
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:25,440
It hurts me to see that,
no matter how hard we organize,
835
00:49:25,519 --> 00:49:28,599
and we organize, and e-mail and...
836
00:49:29,199 --> 00:49:33,000
and only 200 people show up.
It's a disgrace.
837
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,320
It could have been me.
It could have been one of my friends.
838
00:49:39,639 --> 00:49:44,159
And so that kind of was like, we need
to start advocating for ourselves.
839
00:49:45,519 --> 00:49:49,000
I went to that rally
and I met up at MCCNY,
840
00:49:49,079 --> 00:49:52,239
and that was when I met
the legendary Octavia St. Laurent.
841
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:58,639
I remember we started walking.
842
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,199
We did this whole procession
up Eighth Avenue,
843
00:50:01,679 --> 00:50:05,960
and Octavia singing
like she was Shug Avery.
844
00:50:06,519 --> 00:50:12,280
Then we get to the Port Authority, and
we all stood where Amanda was killed.
845
00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:20,719
...Grace
846
00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:22,280
How sweet...
847
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,440
Amanda Milan's memorial
848
00:50:24,519 --> 00:50:26,719
was a turning point
for the trans community.
849
00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:31,960
We began to mobilize and have rallies
to make people understand
850
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:33,599
that our lives matter.
851
00:50:35,079 --> 00:50:37,239
I believe in us getting our rights,
852
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,760
or else I would not be out there
fighting for our rights.
853
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,960
Amanda Milan's death
reinvigorated Sylvia Rivera,
854
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,199
and brought her out of retirement.
855
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,679
And that's what made me realize
that I can be an activist too.
856
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,159
And the best way for me
to be a part of the movement
857
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,159
was through storytelling.
858
00:50:57,119 --> 00:51:00,159
To make people understand
the reality of our lives.
859
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,679
I wanted to archive the movement
860
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,559
that was building between
trans women and sex workers.
861
00:51:13,079 --> 00:51:14,360
We were gaining visibility,
862
00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:17,159
but we didn't know that
another tragedy would strike...
863
00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:20,559
one that changed everything.
864
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,159
I was on The Stroll headed
to court when the first plane hit.
865
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:35,400
The thing I remember the most,
866
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:39,400
it just smelled like smoke,
and ash and death.
867
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:46,159
New York City came to a standstill.
Everyone was in shock.
868
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:48,320
And we didn't know
869
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,280
how we were gonna continue
to survive out there.
870
00:51:53,079 --> 00:51:55,599
There was a yellow tape
that was stretched out
871
00:51:55,679 --> 00:51:58,360
across 14th Street
that I used to cut through.
872
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:05,280
The Stroll was unrecognizable,
there were no dates coming in and out.
873
00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:08,880
I still sit and wonder
how I survived that time
874
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,519
'cause it lasted for a couple of years.
875
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,480
When they finally let down the barriers,
the cars weren't coming as frequently.
876
00:52:17,559 --> 00:52:19,480
And when the dates started to return,
877
00:52:19,559 --> 00:52:22,039
the dates weren't as generous
as they used to be.
878
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,079
9/11 made it even more
difficult to survive
879
00:52:25,159 --> 00:52:28,960
because there was nothing.
There was no resources or anything.
880
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,719
And for somebody
who's homeless on the streets
881
00:52:32,039 --> 00:52:35,400
and needed to rely on sex work,
baby, I was pissed,
882
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,760
because now our money
has been severely cut off.
883
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,960
We didn't know how long it was gonna
be for The Stroll to pick back up again.
884
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:46,320
That was it for a lot of years,
885
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,880
maybe two or three years,
'cause it was bad.
886
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:54,280
9/11 kind of shut things down,
and forced things to the Internet,
887
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:56,559
because there was no other way.
888
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:00,599
Welcome.
889
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:03,800
At night, I would be on The Stroll,
890
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:07,880
and during the day, I would be
in the Internet cafes, every day.
891
00:53:08,679 --> 00:53:14,039
And there we began
to make ads and post pictures
892
00:53:14,119 --> 00:53:17,400
in the chat rooms to solicit clients.
893
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:22,800
So, I learned about marketing,
promotion and graphic design.
894
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,880
Back then we had no choice
but to hustle.
895
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,599
It actually kicked in the door for safety.
896
00:53:29,679 --> 00:53:32,039
I can tell you from my own
personal story,
897
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,719
I was protected by being able
to screen a client,
898
00:53:36,159 --> 00:53:38,960
by being able
to pick and choose a client,
899
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,920
by being able to take
my street sex work into fetish work,
900
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:47,159
so I would not be arrested,
and turn it into computer work.
901
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,000
And I didn't even know how to work
a computer, child, but I learned it.
902
00:53:51,519 --> 00:53:53,880
There was a lot
of learning in that process too.
903
00:53:54,599 --> 00:53:57,400
The Stroll was kind of like,
"Okay, you can go to The Stroll,
904
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,360
but you can actually now do this
from your home on the computer."
905
00:54:01,039 --> 00:54:03,599
The time did change
and so did the girls.
906
00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:09,679
For about a year it was as if
the entire city was holding its breath,
907
00:54:10,559 --> 00:54:14,400
and then all of a sudden
everything just geared up.
908
00:54:15,679 --> 00:54:17,800
I'm urging people to vote
for... for Mike Bloomberg.
909
00:54:18,119 --> 00:54:20,559
I think Mike Bloomberg
is ideally qualified
910
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,079
to run the city at this very,
very critical time.
911
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:27,280
Mike's business background,
the fact that he is a self-made man
912
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,880
who's had enormous success
in business,
913
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,559
qualifies him to be mayor of NY City
at a time in which businesses
914
00:54:34,639 --> 00:54:35,880
are considering leaving the city.
915
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:37,599
I think Bloomberg
is gonna be good for the city
916
00:54:37,679 --> 00:54:40,480
because Giuliani spoke so highly of him,
917
00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:44,199
and because Giuliani is so popular, he
must know who's gonna do a great job.
918
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,000
After September 11th, we definitely need
919
00:54:46,079 --> 00:54:47,480
more commerce
and more business in New York.
920
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:49,320
And I think, as a billionaire,
I don't know
921
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:50,760
what he's gonna be like as a politician,
922
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,039
but I think as a businessman,
he'll help New York.
923
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:58,679
We will rebuild, renew,
and remain the capital of the free world.
924
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:01,840
What was happening
in terms of gentrification
925
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,079
had been happening for several years,
926
00:55:04,599 --> 00:55:08,440
but when Bloomberg
became the mayor, and after 9/11,
927
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:12,679
it was as if gentrification
went on steroids.
928
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:16,840
The Meatpacking District
isn't what it used to be.
929
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,239
And to-- For perspective,
when Hogs opened in 1992,
930
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,039
rent was 3,000 dollars a month.
931
00:55:23,119 --> 00:55:24,639
-And think about it.
-That's incredible.
932
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:25,760
I mean, 20 years ago,
933
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,159
that area was not an area
where anyone wanted to live in.
934
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,559
I wonder what part, like,
Sex and the City played with that,
935
00:55:30,639 --> 00:55:32,679
because Samantha moved
to Meatpacking District,
936
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,119
it was still pretty sketchy
when she moved there, but kind of like--
937
00:55:35,199 --> 00:55:36,239
Yeah, the transvestites
938
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:37,480
-were on the streets.
-Exactly!
939
00:55:37,559 --> 00:55:39,480
Now it's a whole--
Totally different neighborhood.
940
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:47,599
It was inevitable that the decline
of the urban meatpackers came.
941
00:55:47,679 --> 00:55:50,400
I'm one of the seven remaining
meatpackers
942
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:51,400
in the Gansevoort Market here.
943
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,440
There used to be two or 300
meatpackers down here,
944
00:55:54,519 --> 00:55:57,760
employing at least 1500,
2000 people,
945
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,920
and now there's just seven of us
employing about 125.
946
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:03,559
And I will tell you,
all those old meat guys
947
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,840
that were down here that were
the big guys in the industry
948
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:08,519
and sold so much meat,
949
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,920
none of them would ever believe
what happened to this neighborhood.
950
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:31,880
There wasn't a gradual change.
It was a big change economically
951
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,760
of who came into the neighborhood.
It was shocking.
952
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,079
It was such an extreme jump
953
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:45,559
from being this gritty film noir,
954
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:50,480
inviting environment
where you could really do anything,
955
00:56:51,159 --> 00:56:54,760
to all of a sudden, it felt like
Madison Avenue was moving in.
956
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:03,559
The whole luxury apartments,
the whitewashing of everything,
957
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:09,440
the kind of erasing of the culture.
It was a big change.
958
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:14,920
It's really disorienting, right,
to walk down a street
959
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,559
you've walked down
a hundred thousand times,
960
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:22,239
and feel struck by a sudden
sense of disorientation,
961
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,760
of feeling like, "I don't know
quite where I am anymore."
962
00:57:26,239 --> 00:57:29,119
And, "Am I on the right street?
Am I in the right neighborhood?"
963
00:57:29,199 --> 00:57:33,840
"Is this... is this the same city?
Is this the same me?"
964
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:39,079
One of the ways memory works
is it relies on triggers.
965
00:57:39,159 --> 00:57:42,079
So, remember when you were there
and who you were with,
966
00:57:42,159 --> 00:57:44,280
and then you have a chain
of associations,
967
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,920
but that chain is broken and destroyed
when that place is gone.
968
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:52,320
So, we lose ourselves. Then we lose
our sense of connection
969
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,760
and ongoingness when that happens.
970
00:57:57,639 --> 00:58:00,840
When Bloomberg became the mayor,
things started to change fast.
971
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:03,559
Those older girls that I was out there
972
00:58:03,639 --> 00:58:06,239
on the streets talking to
were no longer there.
973
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,760
Bloomberg started a program
called Operation Spotlight,
974
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:13,400
a "three strikes and you're out" system.
975
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:18,320
If you got over three arrests
for prostitution,
976
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,239
then you can be sent away
longer than a year.
977
00:58:21,639 --> 00:58:24,760
Bloomberg was able to clean up
the Meatpacking District
978
00:58:25,159 --> 00:58:26,559
by sending the girls to jail.
979
00:58:28,639 --> 00:58:31,239
I spent a lot of my twenties
on Rikers Island,
980
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,320
New York City's largest jail.
981
00:58:34,079 --> 00:58:38,920
It's a horrible and disgusting place.
People are just piled up on one another.
982
00:58:39,639 --> 00:58:42,760
You have people telling you
when to shower, when to eat,
983
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:43,840
and when to go to bed.
984
00:58:45,239 --> 00:58:46,480
You don't have rights.
985
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,760
Going to Rikers, honey,
was a whole 'nother ball game,
986
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,639
'cause as soon as you go
into the six building,
987
00:58:53,719 --> 00:58:58,079
back then, I'm not going to lie, like,
it would be a lot of hate speech.
988
00:58:59,079 --> 00:59:01,320
As soon as they bring us
off the... the bus,
989
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,679
and we're in our little
tight skirts and our heels.
990
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,000
"Oh, look at these fuckin' faggots!"
991
00:59:08,719 --> 00:59:11,480
Come up, put your hands up here.
Let me see that ring.
992
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:13,920
-Is that a wedding ring?
-Yes, it is.
993
00:59:14,679 --> 00:59:16,320
All right, leave it on.
You're good. Put your hands up.
994
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:19,559
All that is ass and tits.
995
00:59:19,639 --> 00:59:22,159
Don't worry about it, man, go over there,
go over there, ass and tits, all right.
996
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,679
-How did you do that to yourself?
-Implants, Daddy.
997
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:28,920
-Really?
-Yes.
998
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,920
-When did you do that?
-About three years ago.
999
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,840
So, when they house you,
they house you with all the other men?
1000
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:36,079
Yeah.
1001
00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:41,599
Gay housing, quarter mile down
the corridor of building five.
1002
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:43,559
You have to sign papers.
1003
00:59:44,239 --> 00:59:46,760
When you go into Rikers Island
in the receiving room,
1004
00:59:47,079 --> 00:59:50,840
you can request to be placed
in alternative lifestyle housing.
1005
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,639
And that was the place
where all your girlfriends would be.
1006
00:59:54,039 --> 00:59:56,719
All the queens would be there,
everybody you knew was always
1007
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:58,400
in gay housing.
1008
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:03,920
They separated the queens
and the gay boys from the population.
1009
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:08,000
My name is Shante
and this is my little... my little home
1010
01:00:08,079 --> 01:00:09,679
for my little short stay while I'm here.
1011
01:00:10,639 --> 01:00:13,000
You know, my family takes care of me.
1012
01:00:13,079 --> 01:00:16,320
They... they don't knock me
about my sexual preference.
1013
01:00:17,639 --> 01:00:20,079
I have something
I would like for you to see.
1014
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,159
A little bit
of how I dress on the streets.
1015
01:00:23,239 --> 01:00:25,039
This is my everyday effect.
1016
01:00:25,559 --> 01:00:28,559
You know, that's how I like to dress.
That's me and my male friend.
1017
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:33,079
This is how I dress on the street.
On the street, I dress as a woman.
1018
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:39,559
This is where I hang my jackets at.
My suede, my silk. Gap, of course.
1019
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:41,239
Have a nice day.
1020
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,159
I think I've been
to Rikers about 30 times.
1021
01:00:44,719 --> 01:00:46,119
The longest time was eight months.
1022
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:48,920
If you keep accruing charges,
1023
01:00:49,239 --> 01:00:52,320
you can be sent away longer,
upstate to prison.
1024
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:55,960
What led to my incarceration?
Selling drugs.
1025
01:00:57,119 --> 01:01:00,679
I sold everything from cash, ass
to grass. If I could sell it, I sold it.
1026
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,960
Right? After a while,
you get tired of being face down, ass up.
1027
01:01:05,559 --> 01:01:08,000
After a while, you get tired
of hanging from the chandelier,
1028
01:01:08,079 --> 01:01:09,679
dropping down
and getting your eagle on.
1029
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,440
I had made a sale to an undercover,
1030
01:01:13,519 --> 01:01:15,480
and that's how I ended up
going to prison.
1031
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,960
You're up in the mountains,
away from your city
1032
01:01:20,719 --> 01:01:22,239
where all you see is redneck.
1033
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:26,719
All you see is chewing tobacco
and them calling you nigger.
1034
01:01:27,039 --> 01:01:29,079
And ain't a damn thing
you can say about it.
1035
01:01:31,559 --> 01:01:34,960
I was young. I was afraid.
1036
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:40,320
I was gonna be raped.
And I turned into a monster.
1037
01:01:42,679 --> 01:01:45,079
How it is to survive
as a trans woman in jail,
1038
01:01:45,719 --> 01:01:49,079
it's a sub world within the world.
1039
01:01:49,159 --> 01:01:52,119
It's like a microcosmic world
of oppression.
1040
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:57,599
I realized that people
didn't respect peace.
1041
01:01:57,920 --> 01:01:59,159
They respected violence.
1042
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:02,519
So, I became
a very violent person in jail.
1043
01:02:02,599 --> 01:02:06,039
And I was ready to fight
and stab anything that came near me.
1044
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:10,360
When you cut someone
or you stab someone in jail,
1045
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:12,360
that's a case.
They add that on to your time,
1046
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:14,280
and that's why
you keep getting more time.
1047
01:02:14,599 --> 01:02:19,440
My original sentence was five to seven.
So, imagine five flat to seven flat.
1048
01:02:20,199 --> 01:02:21,119
I did 14.
1049
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:32,159
Well, after 14 years in prison,
I was released in 2012.
1050
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:36,639
They just give you a bus ticket, and
whatever you have in your commissary,
1051
01:02:36,719 --> 01:02:37,880
and you're on your own.
1052
01:02:38,719 --> 01:02:40,840
I knew to go back,
like, you know where to go.
1053
01:02:42,159 --> 01:02:44,159
So, I'm getting onto this bus
1054
01:02:44,239 --> 01:02:46,360
and I started seeing
all these pretty stores.
1055
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:50,920
It was very hard for me to understand
what was going on around me.
1056
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:53,159
The community is not there.
1057
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,360
Vanessa was one of the girls
who I hung out with.
1058
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:58,079
I was like,
"Yo, you heard such and such?"
1059
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:00,280
"Uh-uh, baby, she dead." "What?"
1060
01:03:01,119 --> 01:03:02,880
"Oh, no, she gone." "What?"
1061
01:03:04,199 --> 01:03:05,639
Josie? Dead.
1062
01:03:08,519 --> 01:03:09,760
Nunie? Dead.
1063
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:12,800
Vanessa? Dead.
1064
01:03:14,039 --> 01:03:15,480
Melissa? Dead.
1065
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:18,719
These people are gone now.
1066
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,480
Now, they got all these
fancy shoe stores down there.
1067
01:03:24,559 --> 01:03:28,480
And what is it, the High Line?
The only "high line" we had
1068
01:03:28,559 --> 01:03:30,800
was a crack pipe on the pier
next to the water.
1069
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:32,360
That's the only thrill you got.
1070
01:03:34,599 --> 01:03:35,639
The world was digital.
1071
01:03:36,039 --> 01:03:39,639
What the hell is an iPhone?
When I went to jail, we had the beepers.
1072
01:03:40,559 --> 01:03:43,599
It was still some of the same
but the money had changed.
1073
01:03:44,679 --> 01:03:46,920
The price of pussy went down.
I ain't got time for that.
1074
01:03:48,199 --> 01:03:50,480
So, I knew I couldn't survive like that.
1075
01:03:53,039 --> 01:03:55,760
Before I just decided to, like,
"I can't do this anymore."
1076
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:58,679
I couldn't. I'm almost 50.
1077
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:02,000
So, it took a lot for me to walk away
from the thing that--
1078
01:04:02,079 --> 01:04:04,119
The very thing that saved my life.
1079
01:04:07,039 --> 01:04:08,199
The Stroll was over.
1080
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:30,280
This rain, to me, kind of represents
1081
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,800
all of the tears of the girls
who didn't make it to see today.
1082
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:40,079
I like to think that they're
giving me their blessings from above.
1083
01:04:42,079 --> 01:04:48,400
I think about all of the girls
that used to sleep up here.
1084
01:04:49,239 --> 01:04:53,440
Back in the day,
this whole row was encampments.
1085
01:04:53,519 --> 01:04:55,480
Girls living in cardboard boxes.
1086
01:04:57,639 --> 01:05:01,199
And I just can't believe
how many times I had to go to jail
1087
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:03,719
for this High Line park to be built.
1088
01:05:13,159 --> 01:05:15,360
Do you remember
when we used to walk down here,
1089
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:19,159
and all the neighbors used to stare at us,
and we used to be...
1090
01:05:19,239 --> 01:05:20,760
-And we would just be pumping.
-...runway.
1091
01:05:21,679 --> 01:05:24,400
And they would look at us
like we were circus freaks,
1092
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:26,840
but you could tell they enjoyed it.
1093
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:30,239
I remember the girls
would be on this corner,
1094
01:05:30,559 --> 01:05:34,800
-lined up against this wall.
-Right. I would be standing right here.
1095
01:05:35,639 --> 01:05:37,400
-Just perched like...
-Perched.
1096
01:05:38,159 --> 01:05:39,239
Looking for a date.
1097
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:43,039
Sometimes,
we used to just go up to the cars.
1098
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:45,280
-Yes.
-Look, Kristen.
1099
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:49,559
Yes. Let me call a date.
Or give him the very...
1100
01:05:52,039 --> 01:05:54,840
I could just imagine Josie as she was,
1101
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:57,239
you know, out in a scandal--
1102
01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:59,559
And walking up to the cars
like nothing.
1103
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:04,639
She would come down the street
and she would have all this body.
1104
01:06:04,719 --> 01:06:06,000
-Right.
-She would be in like, you know,
1105
01:06:06,079 --> 01:06:09,599
her ass out up to here,
like, "How you doing, baby?"
1106
01:06:09,679 --> 01:06:14,760
And she would come back
with a bag of money.
1107
01:06:15,119 --> 01:06:19,519
Josie was the true meaning
of a trans woman sex worker.
1108
01:06:19,599 --> 01:06:21,920
She would show everybody
how it's done.
1109
01:06:23,119 --> 01:06:25,440
What do you think she would
think about today though, like...
1110
01:06:25,519 --> 01:06:29,599
I think, today, Josie would still be here
right now, making her money.
1111
01:06:31,119 --> 01:06:32,719
She was out here a very long time,
1112
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:35,000
I think longer than any of us
has been out here.
1113
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:38,960
And I could only imagine
being 12, 13 years old,
1114
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:43,320
having to come out into the streets
because your family don't accept you
1115
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:46,559
to have to sex work to survive.
1116
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:50,800
I can't stop thinking about,
1117
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:52,679
like, I see all
these people walking around,
1118
01:06:53,239 --> 01:06:55,400
and it reminds me of the people
1119
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:57,360
that were standing
in their place back in our day
1120
01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:58,519
that are no longer here.
1121
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:01,440
A lot of people lost their lives...
1122
01:07:03,199 --> 01:07:04,920
trying to survive here on this corner.
1123
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:11,400
Today, we're at this point
of liberation and visibility
1124
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:13,519
and everybody's got talking
about trans issues.
1125
01:07:14,079 --> 01:07:15,280
And act like
1126
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:16,920
-it's something new.
-Hold on, I can't.
1127
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:18,679
I can't.
1128
01:07:21,239 --> 01:07:22,880
Oh, my God. I can't...
1129
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:31,000
Then I come here and I feel fucked up.
1130
01:07:33,079 --> 01:07:35,039
I can't even believe it. It's like,
1131
01:07:35,719 --> 01:07:38,599
the things we had to do.
I hate this place.
1132
01:07:39,599 --> 01:07:41,199
I fucking hate this place.
1133
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:44,920
Let's go.
1134
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:48,159
Come on, let's go home.
1135
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:08,760
From back then, from the '80s...
1136
01:08:10,239 --> 01:08:12,199
let's say there was a thousand girls.
1137
01:08:13,079 --> 01:08:16,520
Today, living from that era,
it may be five.
1138
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:20,478
-Oh, my God.
-It might be five of us left from then
1139
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:23,478
that was out on The Stroll
because everybody's gone.
1140
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:25,000
Trans women don't...
1141
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:29,478
get to live past 35 or 40.
1142
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:33,039
So, if you were here and you made it
1143
01:08:34,039 --> 01:08:36,478
to live that beyond,
you are tremendously blessed,
1144
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:42,318
and you have changed
the dynamics of the system.
1145
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:47,359
And you must. You must.
Even in your depression.
1146
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:50,559
You owe it
to every trans woman before you,
1147
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:54,639
and everyone after you,
to keep moving and keep pushing.
1148
01:08:57,039 --> 01:09:00,760
The trans community has always
been in survival mode forever,
1149
01:09:01,279 --> 01:09:05,119
and it is important
that we all get an opportunity
1150
01:09:05,199 --> 01:09:07,478
to thrive.
1151
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:15,119
I believe that the gay rights movement
has consistently left us behind,
1152
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:21,279
and it took trans people
and sex workers to start our own fight.
1153
01:09:22,158 --> 01:09:26,398
As a sex worker, as a person who live,
and make their living
1154
01:09:26,478 --> 01:09:32,078
for 30 years, exchanging sex
for anything that I needed,
1155
01:09:32,158 --> 01:09:36,520
I want to remind you all
that we cannot forget sex workers.
1156
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:40,960
We've been gatekeeped
from the smallest windows
1157
01:09:41,039 --> 01:09:42,478
in society to the highest.
1158
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:47,199
Black trans women are now in the fight
and we won't go away.
1159
01:09:47,279 --> 01:09:51,478
-Black trans lives matter!
-Black trans lives matter!
1160
01:09:51,559 --> 01:09:53,600
Across the country,
where we're seeing an escalation
1161
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:57,439
of policing, an escalation of laws
targeting trans people.
1162
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:00,199
Many places have some criminal law
1163
01:10:00,279 --> 01:10:03,559
that is about indicating
that one is a sex worker.
1164
01:10:03,639 --> 01:10:06,159
And these are, broadly speaking,
1165
01:10:06,239 --> 01:10:08,639
the laws, in New York
and around the country
1166
01:10:08,719 --> 01:10:11,000
that have been referred to as
the "Walking While Trans" laws.
1167
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:14,039
What these laws essentially
make a crime
1168
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:19,239
is looking like you're going
to engage in sex work.
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01:10:19,318 --> 01:10:23,318
Things like talking to people in cars,
walking down the street,
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01:10:24,199 --> 01:10:28,960
congregating with others.
Very unclear, vague,
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01:10:29,039 --> 01:10:34,318
overbroad set of laws that, for decades,
have been used just to target
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01:10:34,398 --> 01:10:36,719
and harass largely trans
women of color.
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01:10:38,239 --> 01:10:40,318
-Trans rights are human rights!
-Trans rights are human rights!
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01:10:40,398 --> 01:10:46,039
I believe that change
is often reflected in legislation.
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01:10:46,119 --> 01:10:48,199
-Black trans lives matter!
-Black trans lives matter!
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01:10:51,159 --> 01:10:53,478
Welcome back to Capital Tonight.
I'm Susan Arbetter.
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01:10:53,559 --> 01:10:55,639
Advocates are calling
for the repeal of a bill
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01:10:55,719 --> 01:10:58,840
that's been used to arrest
transgender women of color.
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01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:02,159
TS Candii, a Black trans woman,
who on a summer afternoon
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01:11:02,239 --> 01:11:04,800
in 2017 was smoking outside
her apartment
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01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:06,880
when a police officer
approached her.
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01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:10,520
He threatened to arrest her
under this very section, 240.37,
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01:11:11,039 --> 01:11:12,760
unless she performed oral sex on him.
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01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:20,239
-Bring the bill to vote now!
-Bring the bill to vote now!
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01:11:20,318 --> 01:11:22,079
-We are ready...
-We are ready...
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01:11:22,159 --> 01:11:23,840
-...to repeal...
-...to repeal...
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01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:25,600
-...the Walking...
-...the Walking...
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01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:27,239
-...While Trans...
-...While Trans...
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01:11:27,318 --> 01:11:28,439
-...ban.
-...ban.
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01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:30,520
New tonight, Governor Cuomo
has signed
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01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:32,359
a measure repealing parts
of the so-called,
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01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:34,840
"Walking While Trans" law.
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01:11:35,199 --> 01:11:38,000
It was passed in the '70s
to prohibit loitering
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01:11:38,079 --> 01:11:39,600
for the purpose of prostitution.
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01:11:40,039 --> 01:11:43,000
An act to repeal
Section 240.37 of the penal law,
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01:11:43,079 --> 01:11:45,960
-ayes 45, May 16.
-The bill is passed.
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01:11:46,398 --> 01:11:48,359
The most important part of all of this
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01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:51,760
is like people like me
and people like everybody here
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01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:54,359
that identify as trans are gonna be able
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01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:59,478
to see themselves reflected
in this important point of the city,
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01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:04,159
and say, "Me as a trans person,
I see myself reflected."
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01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:08,840
"Me as a person of color,
I see myself reflected."
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01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:13,559
"Me as a former sex worker,
I see myself reflected."
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01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:21,520
Today, sex workers are finding
a way to express their needs,
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01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:24,920
and to ask for the solutions
that they need for themselves.
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01:12:30,239 --> 01:12:34,639
I didn't want to work for another agency
that was gonna govern my work,
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01:12:34,719 --> 01:12:38,359
or my thoughts, or my dreams,
or my wishes for my community.
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01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:42,079
I wanted to do
that and have ownership of my own.
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01:12:42,159 --> 01:12:46,840
You took part in a very iconic moment
at the Brooklyn March.
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01:12:47,359 --> 01:12:49,439
We had started a fundraiser
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01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:52,639
exactly three days
before the liberation march.
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01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:58,520
In three days' time,
the numbers blew my face off.
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01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:02,760
-Black trans lives matter!
-Black trans lives matter!
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01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:06,760
-Black trans lives matter!
-Ceyenne Doroshow.
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01:13:14,478 --> 01:13:17,000
We're whores!
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01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,639
I am the founder of GLITS Inc.,
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01:13:24,719 --> 01:13:28,478
that's "Gays and Lesbians Living
in a Transgender Society."
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01:13:32,039 --> 01:13:35,840
I named it that
because we have always been last.
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01:13:37,359 --> 01:13:39,800
That's not gonna happen anymore,
we're first.
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01:13:40,559 --> 01:13:45,920
I am now creating housing
for Black trans women,
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01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:49,199
for Black trans men.
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01:13:50,119 --> 01:13:53,119
We have never had equity
in the city of New York.
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01:13:54,159 --> 01:13:56,079
Motherfuckers, we do now.
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01:13:57,559 --> 01:14:01,639
On Sunday,
my White allies and my Black allies
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01:14:02,559 --> 01:14:05,000
said they were gonna raise money
for me,
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01:14:05,079 --> 01:14:07,279
and New York City,
I want y'all to know...
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01:14:09,719 --> 01:14:11,680
we're damn near sitting
on a million dollars.
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01:14:25,639 --> 01:14:26,760
We made it here.
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01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:33,159
We're buying equity.
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01:14:35,119 --> 01:14:36,880
We're buying property.
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01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:43,760
This is what Black power looks like.
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01:14:47,239 --> 01:14:50,398
This is what trans lives look like.
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01:14:51,239 --> 01:14:53,279
For every girl that's died,
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01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:56,279
the police need
to be ashamed of themselves.
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01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,719
For every time we had to bury
one of ours,
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01:15:00,079 --> 01:15:02,159
they need to be ashamed
of themselves.
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01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:08,478
You're looking at a Black,
international whore, baby.
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01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:09,880
It's me.
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01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:16,800
And I'm selling me to save you.
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01:15:24,279 --> 01:15:27,239
There's an outcast in everybody's life
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01:15:27,318 --> 01:15:30,719
-And I am her
-I am her
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01:15:31,199 --> 01:15:34,279
There's a shadow
in everybody's front door
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01:15:34,359 --> 01:15:37,318
-And I am her...
-I am her...
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01:15:37,398 --> 01:15:39,359
As a young, homeless trans woman
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01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:42,000
sleeping in movie theatres,
I never thought
1246
01:15:42,079 --> 01:15:44,760
I would have the power
and ability to make films.
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01:15:45,639 --> 01:15:48,279
I am so proud that the girls are happy,
1248
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:51,039
and I wanted to give
them the opportunity to shine.
1249
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:55,559
...All that glitters isn't gold
1250
01:15:56,079 --> 01:15:59,318
At least that's what I've been told...
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01:16:00,039 --> 01:16:02,119
The system never gave us resources.
1252
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:05,760
We created the resources
by telling our stories,
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01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:09,960
by standing out there and rallying.
I am my own liberation.
1254
01:16:10,639 --> 01:16:13,359
...It wouldn't be the worst thing
That I ever did
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01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:17,359
It's a hell of a world
That we're living in
1256
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:20,719
James 2:10, "a sin is a sin..."
1257
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:22,840
When people say that there's no honor
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01:16:23,199 --> 01:16:27,960
amongst hoes, they told a fucking lie,
because for The Stroll for us back then,
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01:16:28,039 --> 01:16:29,559
there was nothing but honor,
1260
01:16:29,639 --> 01:16:32,760
and protect a girl
who was walking down that back street.
1261
01:16:33,279 --> 01:16:35,639
...There's an outcast
in everybody's life
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01:16:36,199 --> 01:16:39,639
-And I am her...
-I am her...
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01:16:40,359 --> 01:16:41,760
A lot of these new girls,
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01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:44,600
they don't know about
what we have done for them.
1265
01:16:45,119 --> 01:16:48,719
We paved the way.
We fought to be where we are.
1266
01:16:49,079 --> 01:16:52,000
No matter how much
my future changes,
1267
01:16:52,079 --> 01:16:53,960
14th Street
will always be a part of me.
1268
01:16:54,840 --> 01:17:00,520
...Oh, you know I am her
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01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:06,119
I am shame, she is me, we get down...
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01:17:06,199 --> 01:17:12,079
To live 20 years on a ho stroll,
being homeless, being on drugs,
1271
01:17:12,398 --> 01:17:15,159
doing what I had to do,
and I survived all of it,
1272
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:17,920
I feel that I am that Wonder Woman.
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01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:21,760
And I am here today at the age of 60.
1274
01:17:23,159 --> 01:17:26,119
...There's an outcast
in everybody's life
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01:17:26,199 --> 01:17:29,478
-And I am her...
-I am her...
1276
01:17:30,039 --> 01:17:36,079
After 20 years, we're still connected.
We always look out for one another.
1277
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:41,920
Through all of our shared experiences,
our sisterhood still thrives.
1278
01:17:42,279 --> 01:17:43,639
And I am her...
1279
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:46,840
You can take the girl off of The Stroll,
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01:17:48,159 --> 01:17:50,559
but you can't take
The Stroll out of the girl.
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