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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:26,519 --> 00:00:28,719 The first time I ran away from home, I was 15. 2 00:00:30,559 --> 00:00:34,479 As soon as I moved to New York, I was working at a coffee shop. 3 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,079 When I decided to transition, I was fired. 4 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,039 And that is how I found out about The Stroll. 5 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,240 I was doing sex work there. 6 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:53,240 There were no other opportunities for trans women at the time. 7 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:57,479 I spent almost ten years of my life out there. 8 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,679 It was fun at first. I was like, "Oh, I'm making more money 9 00:01:01,759 --> 00:01:03,960 than I'm making in my job." Please. 10 00:01:04,718 --> 00:01:06,840 Then I started doing the weekend ho thing, 11 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:08,239 and then it just became, like... 12 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:12,439 an everyday thing. 13 00:01:14,519 --> 00:01:15,959 It's been good for me in a way, 14 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:17,799 you know what I'm saying? Because I've been able to eat. 15 00:01:17,879 --> 00:01:19,680 I've been able to live. I've been able to survive. 16 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:21,680 Some filmmakers were doing a documentary, 17 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:23,400 so I had cameras following me, 18 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,239 and these videos, majority of the time I was on cocaine. 19 00:01:28,719 --> 00:01:30,640 And I think in that clip right there, I was explaining 20 00:01:30,719 --> 00:01:36,120 how exhausted I was of the every day just living to do this. 21 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,200 When I was approached to be a subject of a documentary, 22 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:46,280 I knew that that could be a segue way into filmmaking. 23 00:01:47,719 --> 00:01:49,878 But what I discovered is that I didn't have control 24 00:01:49,959 --> 00:01:51,239 over my own story. 25 00:01:55,120 --> 00:02:00,519 And so it really motivated me to start my journey as a director. 26 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,000 I was determined to make a film about The Stroll. 27 00:02:08,478 --> 00:02:11,560 I wanted to know the history of how long trans women 28 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:13,240 had been coming into the area, 29 00:02:13,599 --> 00:02:17,240 and for how long sex work had been a part of our story. 30 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,879 We were pushed out of the neighborhood years ago 31 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,199 and now you don't see us here anymore. 32 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:32,439 My mission was to tell this story before we're gone. 33 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,840 I felt that I could get it right if I was the one to tell it. 34 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:57,280 Egyptt interview, A-camera. Take one. 35 00:02:58,120 --> 00:02:59,159 Welcome, Egyptt. 36 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:05,039 I'm so excited to speak to you today about our history. 37 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,478 For somebody who has so much lived experience 38 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,319 that the little time that I was out there, 39 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,400 you know, I can't even encompass half of the stuff 40 00:03:14,478 --> 00:03:15,840 that you've been through 41 00:03:16,159 --> 00:03:19,199 and the history that you're gonna share with us. 42 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,520 I'm so honored to have you sitting here with us right now. 43 00:03:22,599 --> 00:03:25,478 Well, I feel so blessed to be here to tell my story, 44 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,960 because a lot of times when they do stories like this, 45 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:32,400 they cut out the good parts 46 00:03:32,478 --> 00:03:36,319 on the true meaning of what we had to go through. 47 00:03:36,639 --> 00:03:38,000 Some of it is traumatic. 48 00:03:39,319 --> 00:03:41,199 Some of it was happy, some of it was sad, 49 00:03:41,719 --> 00:03:46,319 but overall, it was an experience in history that needs to be told. 50 00:03:47,199 --> 00:03:49,120 Izzi interview, A-cam. Take one. 51 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:51,719 I want you to be comfortable. 52 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,000 -Right. -Your regular self. 53 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,560 It's just me and you having our everyday conversation, 54 00:03:56,639 --> 00:03:58,199 -you're telling me stories. -Okay. 55 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,840 I consider myself to be of transgender experience 56 00:04:02,919 --> 00:04:05,439 because I spend half of my life as a transgender woman 57 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,879 and half of my life as a non-binary boy. 58 00:04:10,439 --> 00:04:14,759 For me, life as a young trans person was very difficult. 59 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,439 It was a whole different kind of learning process 60 00:04:18,519 --> 00:04:19,720 for me and everybody around me. 61 00:04:21,519 --> 00:04:24,439 Coming from a prominent Black family, middle class, 62 00:04:25,399 --> 00:04:27,040 my dad was a mason, 63 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:31,600 had a lot of rules and regulations around masculinity. 64 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,120 I was the child that didn't want to play football, 65 00:04:34,199 --> 00:04:36,879 didn't want to mud roll, didn't want to do any of that. 66 00:04:37,399 --> 00:04:38,680 I wanted to jump rope, 67 00:04:38,759 --> 00:04:41,360 cut up the curtains and turn them into evening gowns. 68 00:04:41,439 --> 00:04:42,480 That was me. 69 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,279 I was the child that got caught in high heels all the time. 70 00:04:45,639 --> 00:04:47,159 I started at an early age. 71 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,120 Growing up for me, being in a household, 72 00:04:51,199 --> 00:04:52,839 there were specific gender roles. 73 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,040 The women cooked, the men worked. 74 00:04:55,399 --> 00:04:57,759 The kitchen was, like, specific for the women, 75 00:04:58,639 --> 00:05:00,240 and for me, 76 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,920 my mom would let me in there with all my sisters. 77 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,879 I was the only male-born one that was allowed there. 78 00:05:08,439 --> 00:05:12,800 Even though my grandmother was affirming, my other siblings weren't. 79 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,240 My aunts and uncles, they didn't understand. 80 00:05:15,319 --> 00:05:17,759 My community in the neighborhood that I grew up in 81 00:05:18,519 --> 00:05:19,680 was very harmful. 82 00:05:20,319 --> 00:05:25,439 -We're siblings. Biological sisters. -One hundred percent. I'm the oldest. 83 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:30,199 And a lot of people don't believe us, but we are literally siblings. 84 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:31,199 Don't breathe. 85 00:05:33,319 --> 00:05:36,399 Being Pentecostal, my uncle was the pastor of our church. 86 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,680 There was a lot of pressure in being the stereotypical, 87 00:05:39,759 --> 00:05:41,600 cisgender heterosexual male for them. 88 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,240 Our family did not give us the tools 89 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,759 necessary for us to grow healthily. 90 00:05:50,079 --> 00:05:51,199 My mother always told me, 91 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,439 never let anyone tell you you can't do something. 92 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:00,000 And when they told me that I had to leave because of all of this, 93 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:01,920 I said, "You always told me, 94 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,079 'never let no one tell you you can't do something.'" 95 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:14,160 I ran away. I ran away to save my life. I ran away so I could breathe. 96 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:17,000 I ran away to get the hell away from those people. 97 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,439 I ran away for peace of mind, for safety. 98 00:06:20,519 --> 00:06:23,600 Yes, I had to sleep on the train. Yes, I was homeless. 99 00:06:24,639 --> 00:06:27,199 I'd rather the A train than that house 100 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,079 with all that pomp and circumstance and all of the "religion." 101 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:35,079 I was safer in the street than I was ever in that household. 102 00:06:38,439 --> 00:06:44,439 It was 1983. I was on my own. I was transitioning at this time. 103 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,120 Back then, being a trans woman, 104 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,879 unless you had your ID changed and Social Security card, 105 00:06:50,959 --> 00:06:53,120 you couldn't just walk into a place and get a job. 106 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,560 Some people choose sex work because they want to. 107 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,360 Some choose it because they had no choice. 108 00:06:59,759 --> 00:07:03,160 A lot of us back then did not have a choice 109 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,040 because jobs were not accessible to us. 110 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,160 At that time, people were not hiring 111 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,279 people that looked like me. 112 00:07:15,839 --> 00:07:19,560 So, girls did what they had to do, and that was to go to the Ho Stroll. 113 00:07:21,319 --> 00:07:25,439 I would say every borough had a stroll where the girls would work. 114 00:07:25,759 --> 00:07:27,920 The Stroll in the Meatpacking District 115 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:29,319 was nothing but transwomen down there. 116 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:34,519 It was a place where the young gays, the older gays, cross-dressers, 117 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:38,159 trans women, drag queens, they can go and make money. 118 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,800 So, the tricks knew what they was getting 119 00:07:41,639 --> 00:07:44,120 because that was the only people that hustled down in the village. 120 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:48,279 Every queer young person knew 121 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,159 that Christopher Street in the Village was the gay Mecca 122 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:52,279 of New York City. 123 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:53,399 Hey, girl! 124 00:07:53,839 --> 00:07:56,519 And the further west you went, the more empty it became. 125 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,199 There you could see queer people having fun and being sexually free. 126 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,959 By the water, there were these dilapidated piers 127 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,160 where you would see gay men having sex. 128 00:08:10,439 --> 00:08:14,480 And in the center of it all was this ten-by-12-block radius 129 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,319 called the Meatpacking District. 130 00:08:17,439 --> 00:08:20,879 We called 14th Street The Stroll, and that was our turf. 131 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,919 The Meatpacking District was not a neighborhood people came to. 132 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,919 You never walked into this neighborhood. 133 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:45,200 There was a very defined dividing line at Eighth Avenue. 134 00:08:45,639 --> 00:08:50,080 I am a long-time resident of the Meatpacking District. 135 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,279 I have a gallery in the Triangle Building 136 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,360 and everybody knows this building 'cause it's in the middle of the street. 137 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,919 This space was in The Village Voice. 138 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,759 Eighteen hundred square feet with a wood-burning fireplace. 139 00:09:03,759 --> 00:09:06,759 I called somebody who I knew lived in the building, 140 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,159 and I said, you know, "What is it like down there?" 141 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,519 "You know, it looks really grimy. It looks really dangerous." 142 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:18,120 "Everybody says it's dangerous." And she said, "It's not dangerous at all." 143 00:09:19,159 --> 00:09:23,159 "It's wonderful. It stinks because it is the Meatpacking District 144 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:27,399 and there's blood and inedibles and meat all around, 145 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,720 but besides that, it's a great neighborhood." 146 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:33,919 People wouldn't even walk through it. 147 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:35,519 People walked through the meat market back then, 148 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:36,639 they... they held their nose. 149 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,840 I mean, you had to be one of us to get used to the odors. 150 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:42,120 Without a doubt, it was its own little city. 151 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,480 And every building had a meat company in it. 152 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,759 Back then you would have to be careful, when you were walking down the street, 153 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:54,759 you couldn't walk too close to a truck because the meat would come flying off. 154 00:09:55,279 --> 00:09:57,240 That's how fast the trucks were unloaded. 155 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:00,679 Just the amount of meat that was cut here. 156 00:10:01,159 --> 00:10:04,200 Back then, to me, it was just the most amazing place. 157 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:08,200 Well, the first time I came here 158 00:10:08,279 --> 00:10:10,600 was when I was driving a taxi. I was born up in the Bronx, 159 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:12,639 so I had all these questions about my sexuality 160 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:14,960 that I was trying to come to terms with, 161 00:10:15,039 --> 00:10:17,080 and I discovered The Meatpacking District. 162 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:23,639 You have all these fetish bars, fetish clubs, underground events, 163 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,720 brick factories, and falling apart buildings 164 00:10:26,799 --> 00:10:30,440 and empty lots. The life, the light, the shadows. 165 00:10:30,879 --> 00:10:34,000 It was such a film noir kind of atmosphere, 166 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,039 and that's what I wanted to capture with my camera. 167 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,919 There were prosties here almost 24/7. 168 00:10:40,399 --> 00:10:42,320 They would conduct their business in parked cars 169 00:10:42,399 --> 00:10:43,399 right on the street, 170 00:10:43,919 --> 00:10:47,159 and the prosties would often hang out under the elevated 171 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,600 West Side Highway, and, y'know, wait for passing johns. 172 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,440 The S&M bars, the hookers, 173 00:10:54,799 --> 00:10:57,120 the meatpackers. That's what was down here. 174 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:21,519 When I first went out there, 175 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,559 it felt like we were going through a secret passage. 176 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,759 I just saw all these beautiful women, 177 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:32,159 and I was like, "Oh, my God, what is all these girls doing out here?" 178 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:33,840 "They so beautiful." 179 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,799 I remember one particular night, 180 00:11:36,879 --> 00:11:41,200 this girl asked me to block her while she fixed her tuck. 181 00:11:41,279 --> 00:11:45,320 I said, "Tuck," I said, "What is that?" And this girl looked nice. 182 00:11:45,759 --> 00:11:50,360 So, while she was fixing her tuck, I turned around and I looked, 183 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,960 and I said, "Oh, my God, you have a penis." 184 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,279 She was like, "I'm a trans woman." 185 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,279 And I said, "This is what all these girls out here are?" 186 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:02,960 I said, "Oh, my God, 187 00:12:03,039 --> 00:12:07,879 I want to do this. This is me." I said, "I... I got to do this." 188 00:12:16,159 --> 00:12:19,600 I remember, like, when I first stepped on to 14th Street, 189 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:23,919 when we came around that corner and all I seen were, 190 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,279 like, it felt like hundreds of trans women were out there. 191 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:29,279 But I remember it was... 192 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:35,240 I saw you, and Ceyenne, and a bunch of other girls. 193 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:40,639 And it was just amazing, like, to see strong, Black trans women. 194 00:12:43,799 --> 00:12:47,840 Yeah. This is what started my journey because I wanted to be that. 195 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,759 And I used to watch the girls. 196 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,000 And then it was when I came to the decision, I was like, 197 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,679 "I'm going to... you know, transition." And... 198 00:12:57,759 --> 00:13:00,639 Because I had seen everybody so confident in themselves. 199 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,240 And so I was able to draw that out of myself. 200 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,639 So, when I first stepped on to that Stroll, 201 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,720 it empowered me to be like, "If they can live their life like this, 202 00:13:09,799 --> 00:13:11,639 then I can live my life like this too." 203 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:22,919 Right here, the picture was taken back there... 204 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:24,960 -Oh, really? -...the reflection of the-- 205 00:13:25,039 --> 00:13:26,399 -It was water. -Okay. 206 00:13:27,039 --> 00:13:28,799 The coat opened out-- It was taken right there. 207 00:13:29,159 --> 00:13:30,960 -Wow. -Because there was nobody back here 208 00:13:31,039 --> 00:13:33,240 -but me and the photographer. -Okay. 209 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:35,960 I was gonna let you see the goods for free, baby. 210 00:13:36,639 --> 00:13:38,240 You can't see it for free, girl. 211 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,759 But I didn't have all this va-va-la-voom then. 212 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:45,679 But I have arrived now. 213 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:47,639 Thank you. 214 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,960 I can't believe it's still here. I'm reminiscing. 215 00:13:51,039 --> 00:13:53,279 This was my favorite little corner right here. 216 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:57,320 This is where I worked at. I didn't allow no one in that corner. 217 00:13:58,799 --> 00:14:01,840 -Oh, my God. I'm right here. -Oh, she loves the trucks. 218 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,480 I used to-- We used to take them back here, look, 219 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:08,080 because sometimes the people would forget to lock the trucks, 220 00:14:08,399 --> 00:14:10,440 because there was nothing in the back of the trucks, 221 00:14:10,519 --> 00:14:12,360 but funky meat that ain't there no more, 222 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,960 so we would take the clients right back here. 223 00:14:17,519 --> 00:14:20,000 -Don't get stuck back there, honey. -Oh, no, baby. 224 00:14:20,519 --> 00:14:23,879 Big Mama's in charge now, she gets stuck nowhere, darling. 225 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,919 -Open the door. -Yeah. I'm not touching it now. 226 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,200 But, you know, back then, we would open up the door 227 00:14:30,279 --> 00:14:33,000 and take a client back, that was like the hotel room. 228 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,679 You know, the guy's back there. And do what Mother does best. 229 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:41,919 The Stroll mothers. 230 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:44,039 They were the ones who took us under their wing. 231 00:14:44,639 --> 00:14:46,559 These girls showed me the ropes. 232 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,679 These girls showed me what streets to stay safe on, 233 00:14:51,039 --> 00:14:52,120 what not to do, 234 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,600 so that the minute I got off on 14th Street 235 00:14:54,679 --> 00:14:56,600 on the PATH train and I started walking, 236 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,480 and you could hear the clickety-clack of the heels. 237 00:15:00,879 --> 00:15:04,720 I knew that was Ceyenne, I knew Nicole was around the corner. 238 00:15:04,799 --> 00:15:08,080 I knew where everybody was at. It was just the banter, 239 00:15:08,159 --> 00:15:10,879 the allure of just having that, "How's tricks, girl?" 240 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,759 "Oh, it's late... oh, it's late for you, not for me, girl. You should go home." 241 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:16,480 Just the cattiness of it. 242 00:15:17,879 --> 00:15:20,120 Like, these girls taught me how to survive. 243 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:25,320 In the middle of West Side Highway, that people today call the High Line, 244 00:15:25,399 --> 00:15:26,519 was the train tracks. 245 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,440 When I first went out there with one of my girlfriends, 246 00:15:29,519 --> 00:15:30,679 I was petrified. 247 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:33,799 I mean, she's walking up and down the street, 248 00:15:33,879 --> 00:15:36,600 calling cars, and I'm like, "What are you doing?" 249 00:15:36,679 --> 00:15:39,240 She said, "This is how we're going to make some money." 250 00:15:40,399 --> 00:15:42,200 People are tooting their horns at me, 251 00:15:42,279 --> 00:15:43,279 and people trying to get me in their cars 252 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:44,360 and I kept saying no. 253 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:46,759 Until she said, "Girl, the only way you're gonna get money, 254 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:48,600 you have to get in a car." 255 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:50,320 "Go do what you gotta do." 256 00:15:50,399 --> 00:15:52,799 "Don't let them make you do anything you don't want to do." 257 00:15:53,519 --> 00:15:58,879 I've had clients that want me to do some of the weirdest things. 258 00:15:59,279 --> 00:16:01,120 But let me tell you about this client. This client was weird. 259 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:05,080 This guy would do pretend blowjobs and pretend sex and pay me 260 00:16:05,159 --> 00:16:06,480 -for prete-- Yes. -For dollar? 261 00:16:06,559 --> 00:16:10,200 Yes, I remember. I remember now, he was very, like, hygienic. 262 00:16:10,279 --> 00:16:13,960 He was practicing social distancing before it became a trend. 263 00:16:14,279 --> 00:16:17,080 Yeah, I was-- This mortician guy, right, 264 00:16:17,159 --> 00:16:20,000 and he would date me and I would go up to his house 265 00:16:20,399 --> 00:16:21,879 and I would sit in his stairwell, 266 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,279 it was like 100 dollars in, like, three minutes, 267 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:29,039 maybe less than three minutes, because all he did was take me, 268 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,639 spin me around, and by the time I came back this way, 269 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:33,399 he had already nutted on the floor and I left. 270 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:44,000 One of my first nights out there, I went with this guy to a hotel, 271 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,120 and I was like, "Okay, so... 272 00:16:48,759 --> 00:16:50,919 I'm going to be a bottom for you." 273 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,559 Whatever, whatever. Is it okay if I explain it? 274 00:16:53,639 --> 00:16:55,399 -Girl, you're fine. -Okay. 275 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:57,399 Pegging, they call it pegging today, but... 276 00:16:58,159 --> 00:16:59,240 Okay. 277 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:04,118 In my mind, being on 14th Street when I was a beginner, 278 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:09,039 nobody told me the ifs and outs about, 279 00:17:09,118 --> 00:17:13,598 "Okay, you're a trans woman, you use your tool, or your wand." 280 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:19,358 I figured out that I was very well-endowed, 281 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:23,720 which I didn't really look at my private parts, so... 282 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:28,680 That played... that played a lot in my life with-- 283 00:17:28,759 --> 00:17:31,759 because I used to make so much money. 284 00:17:31,839 --> 00:17:34,319 And how old were you when you first went out to The Stroll? 285 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,279 I think I was 15. Fifteen. 286 00:17:45,519 --> 00:17:47,920 The first time that I've ever seen The Stroll, 287 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,599 stepping back, was scary. 288 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,680 I'm not gonna lie. It gave me anxiety. I was having a panic attack 289 00:17:54,759 --> 00:17:57,160 because I didn't wanna have sex with people. 290 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:58,599 That wasn't really what I was interested in. 291 00:17:59,559 --> 00:18:00,799 But I had no clue 292 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:03,880 on how to get money at 15 years old on the street. 293 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:05,279 So, that's where I ended up. 294 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:15,400 I cried. I cried like a baby first time I had to do sexual acts 295 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,400 with someone for money and he told me to get out. 296 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,640 The first time, I was traumatized 297 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,759 because this man wanted me to do some sexual act 298 00:18:23,839 --> 00:18:24,759 with him for money. 299 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,400 And I knew what I was going to do. But it's-- When you actually do it 300 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:33,599 the reality sets in, "What are you doing?" And it was terrifying. 301 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,279 Right, 'cause like, I'm not really attracted to this man. 302 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:37,400 Not at all. 303 00:18:38,079 --> 00:18:39,119 Because you got to realize, 304 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:44,160 you have all different shapes, colors and sizes. 305 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,920 I've gotten in cars with people with the worst thing 306 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:48,400 I've ever seen in my entire life. 307 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:53,279 It was like, "Oh, my God." But those Benjamins sounded great. 308 00:19:00,559 --> 00:19:02,839 I remember, it was a warm night. 309 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,519 And I was feeling myself. I was. 310 00:19:06,599 --> 00:19:11,119 This young man pulled up in a car and he was mad cute. 311 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,920 And I thought to myself, "Elizabeth, you deserve 312 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:16,119 a little bit of fun time." 313 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:18,720 "So, go ahead. Have your fun." 314 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:26,839 I remember him taking me to the side of St. Vincent Hospital. 315 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,720 Went to go perform on him. 316 00:19:29,799 --> 00:19:33,200 And that's when I heard the back door is open to the car. 317 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:35,480 Next thing I know, 318 00:19:36,279 --> 00:19:39,079 he punched me out. And between all three of them... 319 00:19:41,319 --> 00:19:42,680 assaulted me and robbed me. 320 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,039 I ran into St. Vincent Hospital, into the ER waiting area. 321 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,440 I was just literally assaulted and I was screaming for help. 322 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,039 And the security guard told me that I had to leave, 323 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:55,119 that I couldn't be there. 324 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:57,119 And I remember, 325 00:19:58,079 --> 00:19:59,960 basically, telling him, "You know what, fuck you," 326 00:20:00,759 --> 00:20:02,759 picked up my strap, one of my straps, 327 00:20:02,839 --> 00:20:05,599 and walked out and walked to The Stroll crying. 328 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,519 Whether it was from the police who chased you and beat you up, 329 00:20:11,599 --> 00:20:13,160 and wanted to force you to have sex, 330 00:20:13,759 --> 00:20:16,200 whether it was from the john who didn't have enough money 331 00:20:16,279 --> 00:20:18,839 and you knew he was short, so you was trying to get away from him, 332 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:20,799 but he wanted you to finish the job. 333 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,200 A lot of the guys knew where we populated at, 334 00:20:23,279 --> 00:20:25,240 and sometimes that became very unsafe. 335 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,279 I had a little bit of everything in my pocketbook. 336 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:33,640 Mace, hammer, you name it. I learned to defend myself 337 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,680 because I was always in close proximity of violence. 338 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,880 There was a lot of times where I came into danger. 339 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,200 Then that's when I became the Battle Bot. 340 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,119 You know, you wasn't gonna take my money. 341 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,480 You wasn't gonna beat me up. I was gonna get you 342 00:20:47,559 --> 00:20:48,599 before you got me. 343 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,920 Wonder Woman is this all-powerful woman who can handle anything. 344 00:20:55,559 --> 00:20:57,279 I call 'em my Wonder Woman powers 345 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:00,200 because I have to deal with crazy people, 346 00:21:00,279 --> 00:21:02,319 when I'm getting in and out of your car. 347 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:03,480 I don't know where you're going to be at. 348 00:21:03,559 --> 00:21:05,839 You don't know what their motives are. 349 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:07,680 You don't know what type of mood they're in. 350 00:21:07,759 --> 00:21:11,240 So, you have to be able to think that fast. 351 00:21:11,319 --> 00:21:12,759 And I love that you call it Wonder Woman, 352 00:21:12,839 --> 00:21:14,960 because I used to call it Buffy the Vampire Slayer. 353 00:21:15,039 --> 00:21:17,039 And I'm out here slaying all these dicks. 354 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,319 If I ever got in trouble with one person, a guy, 355 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,599 every girl that was on The Stroll was there. 356 00:21:29,599 --> 00:21:31,400 The girls stuck together more then 357 00:21:32,319 --> 00:21:35,559 -and protected each other. -Especially when we were in danger. 358 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,039 Because if one was in trouble, we all were in trouble. 359 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,200 And that-- I miss that part about the rallying together 360 00:21:42,279 --> 00:21:43,440 to protect each other. 361 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,559 -He is cute! -Look, they ready. 362 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:53,559 Hey, boo. 363 00:21:54,759 --> 00:21:55,839 -No! -No. 364 00:21:56,799 --> 00:21:58,960 -No. -No, we're talking about our lives. 365 00:21:59,039 --> 00:22:00,519 We're talking about our lives. 366 00:22:01,319 --> 00:22:03,279 Out here before this became this. 367 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:05,559 -Yeah. -Yeah. 368 00:22:08,799 --> 00:22:13,000 -He said, "I remember that." -I'm sure you do. What's your name? 369 00:22:14,279 --> 00:22:15,279 -Bob. -Bill. 370 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,160 Bill? Bob Reg, Bob Regular? 371 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:19,519 Still got it. 372 00:22:19,599 --> 00:22:22,640 -Wait, you gotta get in the mirror. -That bitch has still got it. 373 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,640 -You got to tell them. -Come on, baby. Check your face. 374 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,440 -What did you say? The diva will what? -Will succeed. 375 00:22:30,039 --> 00:22:32,759 -Pump. Pump. -The diva will succeed. 376 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:35,720 You know this is huge. 377 00:22:35,799 --> 00:22:38,039 And you ain't probably take this trip in a minute. 378 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,279 I remember, with The Vault. And RuPaul. 379 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,759 Remember when RuPaul used to be out here? 380 00:22:44,839 --> 00:22:47,759 And she used to film her videos with the tricks? 381 00:22:47,839 --> 00:22:50,359 Located in Manhattan's Lower West Side, 382 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:54,240 the meat market is filled with transvestite hookers by night. 383 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,400 I ought to know because I live right around the block. 384 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,480 I asked some of the girls, boys, girls, whatever, 385 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,119 if I could, you know, take a look inside of their world. 386 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:05,200 Let's go see what's going on. 387 00:23:05,279 --> 00:23:07,079 Maybe I'll get lucky. Maybe I'll make my rent money. 388 00:23:07,759 --> 00:23:08,680 Come on, you guys. 389 00:23:09,319 --> 00:23:12,400 I was looking for footage for the doc, that's when I seen the clip. 390 00:23:12,759 --> 00:23:16,559 When I was researching, I was starting with transgender hookers. 391 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:22,559 And that wasn't the right word. The right word was "transvestite hookers." 392 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:25,759 Do you have a boss? Do you work for yourself? 393 00:23:25,839 --> 00:23:27,480 Oh, yeah, for myself, of course. 394 00:23:27,839 --> 00:23:29,559 Are you ever scared out here on the street? 395 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,839 Yeah. Huh. Sometimes it's hard, you know? Sometimes... 396 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:34,960 sometimes people get really rough, though. 397 00:23:35,039 --> 00:23:38,000 And you know, I have been in some-- My purse has been stolen 398 00:23:38,079 --> 00:23:39,200 several times, though. 399 00:23:39,279 --> 00:23:40,799 But it's very much to be careful. 400 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,640 You carry some mace or something in your purse, honey, 401 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,960 you've got to mace these motherfuckers 'cause they crazy. 402 00:23:45,319 --> 00:23:46,640 Ru should have known better. 403 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,319 I felt like, from her tone, that this was light-hearted 404 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:50,319 and a joke for her. 405 00:23:51,079 --> 00:23:53,559 I've had to talk to people or be with people 406 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:54,839 who I didn't necessarily know 407 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,559 and I had to be friendly with them, you know? 408 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,039 And that's the hooking sense. And so what's the difference? 409 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,160 I guess the difference is I didn't have to go down 410 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:05,839 on those people, but if you ask me, it's almost the exact same. 411 00:24:09,599 --> 00:24:12,119 I love it. I may have to change my vocation. 412 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,759 The reality of homelessness 413 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:24,599 and transitioning and trans life in general. 414 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:27,359 It was-- It was difficult. 415 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:31,680 Because we got shunned from society. 416 00:24:31,759 --> 00:24:35,799 We couldn't find work without having to revert back 417 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,680 to presenting as cis. 418 00:24:40,079 --> 00:24:44,039 The longer you are there, it becomes more like a dead-end street. 419 00:24:46,519 --> 00:24:47,720 I had to sleep in a movie theater. 420 00:24:48,839 --> 00:24:52,200 And being like, "I'm a trans woman, a homeless trans woman 421 00:24:52,279 --> 00:24:54,160 sleeping in this movie theater, like, 422 00:24:54,519 --> 00:24:56,599 this is as close to Hollywood I'm gonna get." 423 00:24:59,319 --> 00:25:02,079 But I refused to let the world beat me down. 424 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,880 Back then, we just took our punches. 425 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,680 We've been taking them for decades. 426 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:16,720 The sixth precinct is located 427 00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:19,240 in Greenwich Village, where many homosexuals live. 428 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,720 It also encompasses a parking area for trucks 429 00:25:22,799 --> 00:25:24,880 under the West Side Highway along the Hudson River. 430 00:25:25,519 --> 00:25:27,279 The trucks are a known gathering spot 431 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:31,599 and solicitation area for homosexuals who use the trucks for sexual acts. 432 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,880 Certain acts committed by homosexuals, 433 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,640 such as dressing in drag, hanging around the trucks, 434 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,640 as we refer to it in the sixth precinct, 435 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,200 and certain, as we term it, unnatural acts 436 00:25:44,279 --> 00:25:46,279 or-- which may be committed on the street. 437 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,359 Do you think that has really helped the image of the homosexual? 438 00:25:49,839 --> 00:25:53,119 I absolutely, 100 percent, wholeheartedly think 439 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,359 that the sixth precinct of the NYPD had full, 440 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,319 utter contempt towards the trans community. 441 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:03,799 I had a total of 68 arrests. 442 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:04,920 -If I'm not mistaken. -Oh, wow. 443 00:26:05,599 --> 00:26:08,880 You know, I passed through a lot of experience with the NYPD. 444 00:26:09,279 --> 00:26:10,799 Especially sixth precinct. 445 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,839 Tasty Tuesdays and Tasty Thursdays. 446 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,440 It's funny that y'all called it that because we called it TNT. 447 00:26:16,519 --> 00:26:19,680 You... you know, there was times that the girls already knew 448 00:26:20,039 --> 00:26:22,599 the schedule and it would be empty. 449 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,200 So, I guess once they seemed to have been emptied, 450 00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:28,640 the girls started getting the hang of the lock up days. 451 00:26:29,319 --> 00:26:31,160 That's when they started switching it around 452 00:26:31,519 --> 00:26:33,119 and lock you up on a Friday. 453 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:34,599 You didn't want to get locked on a Friday 454 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,480 -because then that's all weekend in jail. -Yep. 455 00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:38,480 You know, the days that you know that you're gonna spend 456 00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:39,880 the weekend in the bullpens. 457 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,680 Yeah, I've made those mistakes a few times. 458 00:26:41,759 --> 00:26:42,799 Yeah. 459 00:26:43,839 --> 00:26:46,079 You had to stay busy to avoid the police. 460 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:47,839 You had to, like, stay on the move. 461 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,839 And sitting, sitting on a car, smoking a cigarette, maybe, 462 00:26:52,519 --> 00:26:54,880 acting like I'm talking on a phone that don't work, 463 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,599 and that kept me alive. 464 00:26:58,839 --> 00:27:01,640 "Walking While Trans" is a piece of legislation 465 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,880 that allowed sex workers, 466 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,720 especially trans sex workers, to be stop-and-frisk for decades. 467 00:27:09,759 --> 00:27:13,559 I was arrested many times just going to the store 468 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,839 to get bread, for example, 469 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,839 and police officers would arrest me 470 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,880 under the suspicion that I was loitering for purposes of prostitution. 471 00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:26,240 You would sit in a police vehicle, 472 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,440 a half a block to a block away. You would have a set of binoculars. 473 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,200 All right. You would focus in on a particular area. 474 00:27:33,759 --> 00:27:35,200 While you're focusing on that particular area, 475 00:27:35,279 --> 00:27:36,920 you write down the time you started looking. 476 00:27:38,079 --> 00:27:40,200 As vehicles make the turn, depending on where it is, 477 00:27:41,079 --> 00:27:43,799 either the he/she or transvestite waves him down 478 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,079 or they stop and have a brief conversation. 479 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:51,079 That's one. It repeats again, that's two. It repeats a third time, that's three. 480 00:27:51,519 --> 00:27:54,359 After the third time, we will slowly drive up. 481 00:27:54,839 --> 00:27:56,480 One of us will exit out of the radio car. 482 00:27:56,559 --> 00:27:59,359 The other will drive past. And we'll basically close in, 483 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:00,640 and put the individual under arrest. 484 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,839 Put the individual in the back of the police car, 485 00:28:03,319 --> 00:28:05,799 take it to another location, put it in a van as a holding area. 486 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,079 Then we will go back and repeat it, 487 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,720 depending on how many girls we're gonna take in that night. 488 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,359 Last Sunday night that just passed, we locked up six females, 489 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,720 the rest of the night, the whole area was clear, 490 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,240 which basically lets them know that we're not playing around 491 00:28:21,599 --> 00:28:23,599 and we'll be out again and we'll lock them up again 492 00:28:24,039 --> 00:28:29,440 until they get the message and realize that 14th Street is not prostitution. 493 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,720 A lot of my clients were officers, 494 00:28:34,799 --> 00:28:39,039 a lot of my client-- COs, officers, all of it. 495 00:28:39,119 --> 00:28:43,200 One, he used to drive a paddy wagon. He was a Black guy, 496 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,359 and he would pick me up 497 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,960 and we would go right on the West Side Highway. 498 00:28:48,039 --> 00:28:51,839 You know, so he wasn't shy about what he was doing. 499 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,240 Two days ago, there was an officer. 500 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,079 And he turned trick with me and he said that he was-- 501 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,880 he's all for it, and he wanted it to be legalized. 502 00:29:04,519 --> 00:29:07,720 He was a nice officer. Very cute, if I must say. 503 00:29:07,799 --> 00:29:12,319 -How'd you pick him up, was he on duty? -No, he was off duty, in a gorgeous car. 504 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,720 He was in a stingray. I was gasping when I found out he was an officer. 505 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,839 I actually gave fellatio 506 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,599 to a very beautiful, beautiful, beautiful young Black man 507 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:23,599 who was a cop. 508 00:29:24,599 --> 00:29:28,279 And after I was done doing his deed, he arrested me. 509 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,119 I drive around here, but I don't go out. 510 00:29:32,079 --> 00:29:34,839 -Why d'you drive around here? -'Cause I lock 'em up on occasion. 511 00:29:36,759 --> 00:29:40,039 They used to come around in different type of vehicles 512 00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:42,400 to count the girls on The Stroll. 513 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:43,680 We didn't know who's who. 514 00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:46,599 You know, everybody's a client. Everybody's a trick. 515 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,359 So, we would not notice that and then the paddy wagon 516 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,599 would come like 15 or 20 minutes later to swipe us all up. 517 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:56,640 When the police were around, 518 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,440 the girls would scream, "Mag," like the TV show Magnum P.I. 519 00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:03,319 Once you heard "Mags," then you would see the girls 520 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,279 dipping and dodging under trucks and around corners. 521 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,640 The police would scramble the girls 522 00:30:10,039 --> 00:30:13,680 by driving the squad cars on top of the sidewalk, 523 00:30:13,759 --> 00:30:16,599 blaring their sirens to chase us out of the area. 524 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,720 And after the cops went away, the girls would re-emerge 525 00:30:19,799 --> 00:30:22,079 from under the trucks and get back to work. 526 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,759 Some nights you may get arrested, 527 00:30:24,839 --> 00:30:27,400 spend the night in jail, get a little community service, 528 00:30:28,119 --> 00:30:30,400 and then we'd be back on The Stroll the very next night. 529 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,359 We can't just be normal people that work. 530 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,759 They will categorize us as sex workers first 531 00:30:37,079 --> 00:30:40,440 before employers, employees, before anything. 532 00:30:40,519 --> 00:30:43,079 We will be drug addicts, whores, and prostitutes 533 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:44,119 before we're... 534 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:51,839 I hope their tires bust. 535 00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,920 ...specifically homosexuals, on the street, 536 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,200 possibly fondling each other in a... in an unlawful manner. 537 00:31:04,279 --> 00:31:08,160 A lot of my time I would go to the library 538 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,559 to rest and have some kind of shelter over my head. 539 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,599 And so I would find myself researching. 540 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,279 I was always into history, specifically trans history, 541 00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:23,839 and I would always talk to the older girls on The Stroll 542 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,480 about the '70s and '80s. 543 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,480 And then one day I met Sylvia Rivera. 544 00:31:30,119 --> 00:31:31,240 I said, "Are we happy?" 545 00:31:32,079 --> 00:31:36,079 When I first met Sylvia Rivera in the summer of 2000, 546 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,279 I wish I had just paid a little bit more attention. 547 00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:45,400 Sylvia was a sex worker and activist who had been around for decades. 548 00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:48,480 She was one of the initiators of the Stonewall riots. 549 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,200 I think Sylvia being out on the streets 550 00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:54,880 and having to fend for herself at such an early age, 551 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,920 she saw herself in many of our shoes, in many of our situations. 552 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,640 She is the icon. She was like the mother of the community. 553 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:07,599 Her and Marsha. 554 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,680 Marsha and Sylvia founded STAR, 555 00:32:33,119 --> 00:32:35,480 Street Transvestite Action Revolutionaries, 556 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,599 the first trans sex workers' rights organization. 557 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,720 Marsha and I both grew up at a very early age on Times Square. 558 00:32:44,799 --> 00:32:47,000 Marsha was seven years my senior, 559 00:32:47,079 --> 00:32:52,200 and we had seen the suffering from the '60s into the '70s 560 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,720 of the trans youth and the gay youth being homeless, 561 00:32:56,799 --> 00:33:01,920 because we'd either run away or either we get kicked out from our home. 562 00:33:08,839 --> 00:33:12,960 I think the gay community wanted to be accepted into mainstream society 563 00:33:13,319 --> 00:33:17,559 to show people that homosexuals are just like everybody else. 564 00:33:18,079 --> 00:33:21,839 So, when you have trans and gender nonconforming people, 565 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,319 it just makes things a little bit more difficult to explain. 566 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,559 Y'all all better quiet down. 567 00:33:31,359 --> 00:33:35,319 Y'all tell me go and hide my tail between my legs. 568 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,960 I will not prolong or put up with this shit. 569 00:33:40,039 --> 00:33:43,960 I have been beaten, I have had my nose broken, 570 00:33:44,039 --> 00:33:48,079 I have been thrown in jail. I have lost my job, 571 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,680 I have I lost my apartment for gay liberation. 572 00:33:51,759 --> 00:33:56,119 And you all treat me this way? What the fuck's wrong with you all? 573 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,160 Think about that. 574 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,119 Sylvia was like a blueprint, 575 00:34:02,759 --> 00:34:06,599 you know, seeing her up there on that stage, getting hoarse, 576 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,840 screaming at everybody. I knew that there was a need for that. 577 00:34:11,559 --> 00:34:13,039 And if she could do it, I could do it. 578 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:15,679 Or at least try. 579 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,518 The mainstream lesbian and gay community 580 00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:23,880 drove Sylvia and Marsha crazy 581 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,599 because they put themselves on the line to fight 582 00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:28,480 for gay liberation and power. 583 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,039 After all they fought for, they were pushed to the side. 584 00:34:35,079 --> 00:34:40,960 Gay America does not care. They don't care about their own. 585 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,400 We did. We did, when we-- In 1970. 586 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,599 We had to build them, we did everything. 587 00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:58,880 We fucking fed... we fed children. We took care of children. 588 00:34:59,639 --> 00:35:02,719 Damn it! This is my history. 589 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:15,119 This was literally a dilapidated pier with holes in it. 590 00:35:16,199 --> 00:35:17,719 There was nothing here for years. 591 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,239 -Nothing. -And then you had this 592 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,519 whole, like, area with Sylvia's encampment. 593 00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:25,760 'Cause this... I can't even tell what it is anymore. 594 00:35:26,119 --> 00:35:27,239 That's right. 595 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,000 But basically where we're at, right, 596 00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:31,559 standing right here is where the encampment was. 597 00:35:32,039 --> 00:35:35,199 It used to be where a lot of homeless queer youth used to spend the night. 598 00:35:35,679 --> 00:35:38,480 Didn't have anywhere to go. They knew this was like a safe place 599 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,159 to be able to congregate, sometimes spend the night and sleep here. 600 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,000 I actually spent several nights in this. 601 00:35:44,639 --> 00:35:46,000 We've all spent the night on this thing. 602 00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:47,159 -At some point. -Yeah. 603 00:35:48,679 --> 00:35:52,920 I was on the pier where we literally had huts. 604 00:35:54,159 --> 00:35:56,320 People started making more and more and more. 605 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,880 You had single room ones. You had three-bedroom ones. 606 00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:03,320 That's how big they got. They was like your own apartment. 607 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,360 This is my little segment of the house, 608 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,719 because Vinny and Tom live on that side. 609 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:09,719 You can go in. 610 00:36:10,199 --> 00:36:12,119 You know, it's, you know, very... 611 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,559 decor, you know. 612 00:36:14,639 --> 00:36:18,840 We have a film crew. You know, we have it dressed up. 613 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,800 Down there was Shady Brook Lane. 614 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,599 We had like five or six other houses down there 615 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:31,000 with another open kitchen. We had a Thanksgiving dinner, 616 00:36:31,079 --> 00:36:34,760 and we had Christmas here one year. 617 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,679 And we had lots of fun here. 618 00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:40,079 It became a village of people 619 00:36:40,159 --> 00:36:43,000 taking care of each other. This our neighborhood. 620 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,599 Excuse me. Don't be going in my house! 621 00:36:55,159 --> 00:36:58,119 One day, policemen came over. They gave us a certain date. 622 00:36:58,199 --> 00:36:59,840 "On that date, we're putting gates up." 623 00:37:00,519 --> 00:37:02,400 This is when they said, "You guys have to leave." 624 00:37:05,159 --> 00:37:07,079 I, Rudolph William Giuliani. 625 00:37:07,159 --> 00:37:09,360 -"Do solemnly swear." -Do solemnly swear. 626 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,320 "That I will support the the constitution of the..." 627 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,039 With the pledge to fight crime and the city's nagging deficit, 628 00:37:14,119 --> 00:37:17,800 Rudolph Giuliani took the oath of office as the 107th mayor of New York. 629 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,440 Giuliani, a former US attorney 630 00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:23,039 and the first Republican elected in nearly two decades, 631 00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:24,920 narrowly defeated incumbent David Dinkins 632 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,840 on a platform to take back New York's dangerous streets. 633 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,320 American cities can't survive as we know them 634 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,079 if they remain so violent. 635 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,280 The era of fear has had a long enough reign. 636 00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:39,480 The period of doubt has run its course. 637 00:37:40,599 --> 00:37:43,840 New York is in the middle of its worst recession for 50 years. 638 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,159 But the economy isn't the key issue here. 639 00:37:46,519 --> 00:37:50,360 The one issue today that obsesses New Yorkers: crime. 640 00:37:51,639 --> 00:37:54,280 Rudy Giuliani brought in Broken Windows Policing. 641 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,920 Broken Windows theory is basically that, 642 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,719 where there is disorder there-- It will lead to violent crime. 643 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:06,639 So, they basically elided things like graffiti, loitering, 644 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,079 boomboxes, sex work, with rape and murder. 645 00:38:10,639 --> 00:38:13,599 So, when you see graffiti, someone's gonna get raped and murdered. 646 00:38:13,679 --> 00:38:15,760 This is not true. It's been debunked, 647 00:38:16,119 --> 00:38:20,119 but in the dominant imagination of the ruling class, 648 00:38:20,199 --> 00:38:23,199 disorder has to be destroyed to keep us safe. 649 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,920 If one window is left broken, the theory goes, others are shattered. 650 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,840 Pretty soon, the entire building, the entire neighborhood, decays. 651 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,480 Where we seen back in the '70s and '80s, 652 00:38:34,559 --> 00:38:37,280 girls were getting arrested sporadically, 653 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:44,000 Giuliani literally came for us in ways that we've never seen before. 654 00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:46,719 We were taken out of a place of freedom 655 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,199 and put into a place where we were cattle. 656 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,039 Christopher Street became his target. 657 00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:54,679 42nd Street became his target. 658 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:59,079 These were known places where we could thrive and survive. 659 00:39:01,519 --> 00:39:04,039 We want to show people improvement in the quality 660 00:39:04,119 --> 00:39:06,039 of their life, that things are getting better for them, 661 00:39:06,599 --> 00:39:09,639 that things are safer, quieter, more peaceful. 662 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,280 A city that they can use and enjoy. 663 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,880 Ladies and gentlemen, Washington Square Park is now closed. 664 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,920 This is where I live and I don't like to see this 665 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,159 and I don't like to deal with this. 666 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:19,840 So, if they can crack down on that and get rid 667 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,440 of some of that stuff, I'd be very pleased. 668 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,519 The police aim to please with their crack down. 669 00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:27,280 This week they showed off the kind of new equipment 670 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,679 which cost the department half a million dollars. 671 00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:33,000 Night vision cameras, miniature tape recorders, 672 00:39:33,079 --> 00:39:35,519 noise meters. Officers in Greenwich Village 673 00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:38,880 have written nearly 2000 summonses since March. 674 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,639 People without IDs are brought to the precinct station, 675 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,960 and those who fail to show in court are tracked down. 676 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,320 If you don't respond, if you just throw it in your drawer 677 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,920 and forget about it, it comes back as a warrant for your arrest. 678 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,440 You stop doing it for a while, 679 00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:53,639 it comes back just as bad if not worse than before. 680 00:39:54,159 --> 00:39:55,320 You have to keep after it. 681 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:57,880 It's like a police state in a way, 682 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,639 sometimes the way they just stop people at will. 683 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:05,239 Racist, sexist, anti-gay! Giuliani, go away! 684 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:09,440 Racist, sexist, anti-gay! Giuliani, go away! 685 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,880 Quality of life initiatives made you ask, "Whose life?" 686 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:18,719 Because these were initiatives that were supposed to "clean up" 687 00:40:19,199 --> 00:40:22,159 the neighborhoods by removing people 688 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:27,239 who were unwanted by the homeowners, the affluent taxpayers. 689 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,119 They wanted to get rid of things like, squeegee people, 690 00:40:31,199 --> 00:40:34,440 panhandlers, young people hanging out, 691 00:40:35,119 --> 00:40:37,960 pretty much anybody of color who was not in a uniform. 692 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,519 I mean, it was profoundly racist, and also very anti-poor. 693 00:40:43,679 --> 00:40:45,159 You know, during the AIDS epidemic, 694 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,280 a lot of gay-owned buildings became available 695 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,199 because the owners died, 696 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,280 and a lot of them were bought by wealthy, straight people. 697 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,360 And then there were some affluent queer people 698 00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,039 who hated the women on The Stroll. 699 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,519 You know, they treat them like they're ants 700 00:41:00,599 --> 00:41:04,199 or something, right? They just wanna clear off the street. 701 00:41:04,599 --> 00:41:07,519 Those are the people who think that the queer youth 702 00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:10,159 in the West Village should just magically disappear 703 00:41:10,519 --> 00:41:12,000 because it's their neighborhood. 704 00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:14,039 Never mind the fact that the young people were there 705 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,480 decades before the wealthy people were. 706 00:41:18,039 --> 00:41:21,320 I live in an apartment on Christopher Street. 707 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,159 We are in danger. We residents are in danger. 708 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,440 I have to sleep at night. 709 00:41:29,039 --> 00:41:33,559 The immediate need is for more regular police. 710 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,840 -Exactly. -We have to get this under control. 711 00:41:40,119 --> 00:41:42,559 The trannies were out on the street 24/7. 712 00:41:42,639 --> 00:41:45,360 It was really a very bad situation. 713 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,800 They would do their business inside cars. 714 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,920 Sometimes parked right in front of a residential building. 715 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,840 You'd walk out of your door at 7:00 am, and there'd be two people having sex. 716 00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:01,159 Not the kind of thing that anybody should really be subjected to. 717 00:42:02,159 --> 00:42:04,760 The problem is they were using our streets as their bedrooms. 718 00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,960 I voted for Giuliani because I thought he was the right man for the job, 719 00:42:10,039 --> 00:42:13,039 and having him on our side definitely was a plus. 720 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,519 In the '90s, I remember there was this old man 721 00:42:20,599 --> 00:42:22,679 that always used to walk past me, 722 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,280 and he used to be, "Ah, look at you, you're so disgusting." 723 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,280 "You don't have on any clothes. You're terrible." 724 00:42:30,039 --> 00:42:36,119 I remember one day this fool came out with, like, 20 other people, 725 00:42:36,199 --> 00:42:39,360 and they had picket signs, and they were like, 726 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,760 "We want you out of our neighborhoods." 727 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,760 "Get out of our neighborhoods, transvestite bitch." 728 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,599 And they cursed me out, but I used to put my middle finger up 729 00:42:48,679 --> 00:42:52,639 and get in the car still, or go down the steps by their house. 730 00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:58,079 I didn't give a shit. I didn't care, honey. Okay? 731 00:43:01,639 --> 00:43:04,599 We started a group called Villagers Against Crime. 732 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,719 We collected money from the neighborhood, 733 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,840 and we used it to purchase three large professional banners. 734 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,920 So, there was a banner facing the eastbound traffic 735 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:17,639 that was coming on 12th Street. 736 00:43:18,599 --> 00:43:22,199 Another banner facing the southbound traffic here, 737 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,760 and another one also on Washington Street a few blocks north. 738 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:30,360 The banner said, in big letters, "Johns and hookers beware." 739 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,800 "We note license plates, inform your job and home." 740 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,719 In those days, you could contact the motor vehicle department, 741 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,400 and for a small fee, get the name and address of the owners. 742 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,639 So, some of my neighbors would note the plates of the johns, 743 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:48,119 and they would call them up, and they would say, "Mr. Smith, 744 00:43:48,199 --> 00:43:51,159 some of my neighbors have seen you in the neighborhood, 745 00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:52,519 dealing with prostitutes." 746 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,519 "They've told me that if they see you again, 747 00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:56,719 they're gonna call your wife, 748 00:43:57,199 --> 00:44:00,079 they're gonna call your employer and they're gonna call your neighbor." 749 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,599 People would say, "Oh, prostitution, that's a victimless crime, isn't it?" 750 00:44:05,679 --> 00:44:09,239 And we'd point it out that no, the people living in the neighborhood, 751 00:44:09,559 --> 00:44:11,159 we were actually the victims. 752 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,519 Elizabeth, you're very protective of your little sister. 753 00:44:33,599 --> 00:44:34,760 Did you bring her to New York? 754 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,360 I did. You want me to... 755 00:44:38,159 --> 00:44:39,079 Yeah. 756 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:45,199 My sister was struggling out in California. One day I called her, 757 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,440 we were talking on the phone and she expressed to me 758 00:44:47,519 --> 00:44:50,840 that she had been on the night news. 759 00:44:51,519 --> 00:44:55,679 And I asked her why and it's because she was getting ready 760 00:44:55,760 --> 00:45:00,599 to jump off of a freeway overpass. And no one in the family knew about it. 761 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,719 There was a lot of things that I was going through in L.A., 762 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,079 I was working on The Stroll in Santa Monica Boulevard. 763 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,039 I had pimps pushing up on me. 764 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,280 I was getting robbed every other night. 765 00:45:13,159 --> 00:45:18,159 I almost got killed by a john who dragged me for half a block in his car 766 00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:19,480 and almost ran me over. 767 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,840 So, and then also just being new to my transition, 768 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,639 it was like, I was having a hard time with the... 769 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,119 turning of the backs from the family. 770 00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,400 I felt, as her older sister, 771 00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:40,000 a sense of responsibility, and at the same time, I felt like... 772 00:45:41,639 --> 00:45:45,239 I left her there by herself. I felt guilty. 773 00:45:47,159 --> 00:45:49,800 Me, my sister, and my friend Desiree 774 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,000 were returning back from our trip to go pick up my sister. 775 00:45:53,079 --> 00:45:56,599 And when we arrived in New York, at Port Authority, 776 00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,320 the person that I had ran into, I remember they were like, 777 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:01,679 "Hey, Elizabeth, how you doing?" And just-- 778 00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:03,599 The next thing out of their mouth is, 779 00:46:03,679 --> 00:46:05,880 "Did you hear what happened?" And I said, "What?" 780 00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,760 "Amanda Milan was murdered just a couple of nights ago." 781 00:46:10,519 --> 00:46:13,159 And this person is explaining it to me, and I could just see 782 00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:14,639 that look on my sister's face... 783 00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:21,079 What happened to Amanda Milan... 784 00:46:23,159 --> 00:46:27,800 was every trans woman's worst nightmare. 785 00:46:28,519 --> 00:46:30,239 She was at the Port Authority. 786 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:34,320 She had gotten into a verbal altercation with some man, 787 00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,000 and he stabbed her in the neck. 788 00:46:39,199 --> 00:46:41,239 But that wasn't the worst part of it. 789 00:46:42,599 --> 00:46:47,400 The worst part is that all the people that were standing out there watching, 790 00:46:48,199 --> 00:46:52,000 laughing and cheering because she was a trans woman, 791 00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:53,760 refused to help her... 792 00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,400 and she bled out and died. 793 00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:00,960 Two people passing this fence on Wednesday 794 00:47:01,039 --> 00:47:02,679 thought they were looking at a scarecrow. 795 00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:03,960 When they looked closer, 796 00:47:04,039 --> 00:47:06,320 they realized it was the savagely beaten body 797 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,519 of a young man who had been tied to the fence 798 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:10,639 and left to die in the cold. 799 00:47:11,119 --> 00:47:13,840 The victim, 22-year-old Matthew Shepard, 800 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,440 a student at the University of Wyoming. 801 00:47:16,519 --> 00:47:18,960 Police say he was attacked because he's gay. 802 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,320 Sometimes, when terrible tragedies strike us, 803 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,639 they bring us to our senses in a way that would never otherwise be the case. 804 00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,840 And I think the horrible death of Matthew Shepard 805 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:29,519 helped to sober the country up. 806 00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,400 This is an amazing turnout. 807 00:47:44,199 --> 00:47:46,400 What happened to Matthew Shepard, I fell for. 808 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,440 I marched with the people. Everybody was right behind him. 809 00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,599 -Shame! Shame! Shame! -Back up. 810 00:47:52,679 --> 00:47:55,840 -Protect the streets! Protect the streets! -Protect the streets! Protect the streets! 811 00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,599 You had straight people, high school kids, all ready 812 00:47:59,679 --> 00:48:04,360 and willing to get maced and hit by police officers. 813 00:48:05,079 --> 00:48:08,360 But Matthew Shepard wasn't even from New York. 814 00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,039 They were just giving him a vigil in New York. 815 00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:13,239 One of our sisters died. 816 00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,800 Amanda Milan was killed in cold blood in the street. 817 00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,440 Literally in front of cameras and cab drivers, 818 00:48:21,519 --> 00:48:23,079 witnesses, people walking. 819 00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:29,519 And when it was time to give her the proper send-off 820 00:48:29,599 --> 00:48:34,280 to make people aware of this tragedy, no one wanted to show up. 821 00:48:35,039 --> 00:48:38,880 Very few. And it was only us. It was only the sisters. 822 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,599 It was only anybody who could understand her story. 823 00:48:43,159 --> 00:48:45,679 We were on the front line with the gay and lesbian community, 824 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,519 marching and fighting for equality. 825 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,000 We knew we were freaks to them 826 00:48:51,079 --> 00:48:53,079 because the only time we were recognized 827 00:48:53,159 --> 00:48:55,840 was when they had events, when they had parties, 828 00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,159 when they needed to make money. Then we were of value. 829 00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,320 But you're not doing anything to help me from getting attacked. 830 00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,639 At the end of the day, that's not community. 831 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:12,559 With the Amanda Milan actions, when we had the event take place, 832 00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:14,480 who showed up? 833 00:49:15,159 --> 00:49:19,320 Two-hundred people. It's a... it's a damn shame. 834 00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:25,440 It hurts me to see that, no matter how hard we organize, 835 00:49:25,519 --> 00:49:28,599 and we organize, and e-mail and... 836 00:49:29,199 --> 00:49:33,000 and only 200 people show up. It's a disgrace. 837 00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,320 It could have been me. It could have been one of my friends. 838 00:49:39,639 --> 00:49:44,159 And so that kind of was like, we need to start advocating for ourselves. 839 00:49:45,519 --> 00:49:49,000 I went to that rally and I met up at MCCNY, 840 00:49:49,079 --> 00:49:52,239 and that was when I met the legendary Octavia St. Laurent. 841 00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:58,639 I remember we started walking. 842 00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,199 We did this whole procession up Eighth Avenue, 843 00:50:01,679 --> 00:50:05,960 and Octavia singing like she was Shug Avery. 844 00:50:06,519 --> 00:50:12,280 Then we get to the Port Authority, and we all stood where Amanda was killed. 845 00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:20,719 ...Grace 846 00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:22,280 How sweet... 847 00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,440 Amanda Milan's memorial 848 00:50:24,519 --> 00:50:26,719 was a turning point for the trans community. 849 00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:31,960 We began to mobilize and have rallies to make people understand 850 00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:33,599 that our lives matter. 851 00:50:35,079 --> 00:50:37,239 I believe in us getting our rights, 852 00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,760 or else I would not be out there fighting for our rights. 853 00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,960 Amanda Milan's death reinvigorated Sylvia Rivera, 854 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,199 and brought her out of retirement. 855 00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,679 And that's what made me realize that I can be an activist too. 856 00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,159 And the best way for me to be a part of the movement 857 00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,159 was through storytelling. 858 00:50:57,119 --> 00:51:00,159 To make people understand the reality of our lives. 859 00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,679 I wanted to archive the movement 860 00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,559 that was building between trans women and sex workers. 861 00:51:13,079 --> 00:51:14,360 We were gaining visibility, 862 00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:17,159 but we didn't know that another tragedy would strike... 863 00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:20,559 one that changed everything. 864 00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,159 I was on The Stroll headed to court when the first plane hit. 865 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:35,400 The thing I remember the most, 866 00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:39,400 it just smelled like smoke, and ash and death. 867 00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:46,159 New York City came to a standstill. Everyone was in shock. 868 00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:48,320 And we didn't know 869 00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,280 how we were gonna continue to survive out there. 870 00:51:53,079 --> 00:51:55,599 There was a yellow tape that was stretched out 871 00:51:55,679 --> 00:51:58,360 across 14th Street that I used to cut through. 872 00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:05,280 The Stroll was unrecognizable, there were no dates coming in and out. 873 00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:08,880 I still sit and wonder how I survived that time 874 00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,519 'cause it lasted for a couple of years. 875 00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,480 When they finally let down the barriers, the cars weren't coming as frequently. 876 00:52:17,559 --> 00:52:19,480 And when the dates started to return, 877 00:52:19,559 --> 00:52:22,039 the dates weren't as generous as they used to be. 878 00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,079 9/11 made it even more difficult to survive 879 00:52:25,159 --> 00:52:28,960 because there was nothing. There was no resources or anything. 880 00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,719 And for somebody who's homeless on the streets 881 00:52:32,039 --> 00:52:35,400 and needed to rely on sex work, baby, I was pissed, 882 00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,760 because now our money has been severely cut off. 883 00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,960 We didn't know how long it was gonna be for The Stroll to pick back up again. 884 00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:46,320 That was it for a lot of years, 885 00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,880 maybe two or three years, 'cause it was bad. 886 00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:54,280 9/11 kind of shut things down, and forced things to the Internet, 887 00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:56,559 because there was no other way. 888 00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:00,599 Welcome. 889 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:03,800 At night, I would be on The Stroll, 890 00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:07,880 and during the day, I would be in the Internet cafes, every day. 891 00:53:08,679 --> 00:53:14,039 And there we began to make ads and post pictures 892 00:53:14,119 --> 00:53:17,400 in the chat rooms to solicit clients. 893 00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:22,800 So, I learned about marketing, promotion and graphic design. 894 00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,880 Back then we had no choice but to hustle. 895 00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,599 It actually kicked in the door for safety. 896 00:53:29,679 --> 00:53:32,039 I can tell you from my own personal story, 897 00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,719 I was protected by being able to screen a client, 898 00:53:36,159 --> 00:53:38,960 by being able to pick and choose a client, 899 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,920 by being able to take my street sex work into fetish work, 900 00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:47,159 so I would not be arrested, and turn it into computer work. 901 00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,000 And I didn't even know how to work a computer, child, but I learned it. 902 00:53:51,519 --> 00:53:53,880 There was a lot of learning in that process too. 903 00:53:54,599 --> 00:53:57,400 The Stroll was kind of like, "Okay, you can go to The Stroll, 904 00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,360 but you can actually now do this from your home on the computer." 905 00:54:01,039 --> 00:54:03,599 The time did change and so did the girls. 906 00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:09,679 For about a year it was as if the entire city was holding its breath, 907 00:54:10,559 --> 00:54:14,400 and then all of a sudden everything just geared up. 908 00:54:15,679 --> 00:54:17,800 I'm urging people to vote for... for Mike Bloomberg. 909 00:54:18,119 --> 00:54:20,559 I think Mike Bloomberg is ideally qualified 910 00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,079 to run the city at this very, very critical time. 911 00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:27,280 Mike's business background, the fact that he is a self-made man 912 00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,880 who's had enormous success in business, 913 00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,559 qualifies him to be mayor of NY City at a time in which businesses 914 00:54:34,639 --> 00:54:35,880 are considering leaving the city. 915 00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:37,599 I think Bloomberg is gonna be good for the city 916 00:54:37,679 --> 00:54:40,480 because Giuliani spoke so highly of him, 917 00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:44,199 and because Giuliani is so popular, he must know who's gonna do a great job. 918 00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,000 After September 11th, we definitely need 919 00:54:46,079 --> 00:54:47,480 more commerce and more business in New York. 920 00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:49,320 And I think, as a billionaire, I don't know 921 00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:50,760 what he's gonna be like as a politician, 922 00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,039 but I think as a businessman, he'll help New York. 923 00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:58,679 We will rebuild, renew, and remain the capital of the free world. 924 00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:01,840 What was happening in terms of gentrification 925 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,079 had been happening for several years, 926 00:55:04,599 --> 00:55:08,440 but when Bloomberg became the mayor, and after 9/11, 927 00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:12,679 it was as if gentrification went on steroids. 928 00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:16,840 The Meatpacking District isn't what it used to be. 929 00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,239 And to-- For perspective, when Hogs opened in 1992, 930 00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,039 rent was 3,000 dollars a month. 931 00:55:23,119 --> 00:55:24,639 -And think about it. -That's incredible. 932 00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:25,760 I mean, 20 years ago, 933 00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,159 that area was not an area where anyone wanted to live in. 934 00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,559 I wonder what part, like, Sex and the City played with that, 935 00:55:30,639 --> 00:55:32,679 because Samantha moved to Meatpacking District, 936 00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,119 it was still pretty sketchy when she moved there, but kind of like-- 937 00:55:35,199 --> 00:55:36,239 Yeah, the transvestites 938 00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:37,480 -were on the streets. -Exactly! 939 00:55:37,559 --> 00:55:39,480 Now it's a whole-- Totally different neighborhood. 940 00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:47,599 It was inevitable that the decline of the urban meatpackers came. 941 00:55:47,679 --> 00:55:50,400 I'm one of the seven remaining meatpackers 942 00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:51,400 in the Gansevoort Market here. 943 00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,440 There used to be two or 300 meatpackers down here, 944 00:55:54,519 --> 00:55:57,760 employing at least 1500, 2000 people, 945 00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,920 and now there's just seven of us employing about 125. 946 00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:03,559 And I will tell you, all those old meat guys 947 00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,840 that were down here that were the big guys in the industry 948 00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:08,519 and sold so much meat, 949 00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,920 none of them would ever believe what happened to this neighborhood. 950 00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:31,880 There wasn't a gradual change. It was a big change economically 951 00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,760 of who came into the neighborhood. It was shocking. 952 00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,079 It was such an extreme jump 953 00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:45,559 from being this gritty film noir, 954 00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:50,480 inviting environment where you could really do anything, 955 00:56:51,159 --> 00:56:54,760 to all of a sudden, it felt like Madison Avenue was moving in. 956 00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:03,559 The whole luxury apartments, the whitewashing of everything, 957 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:09,440 the kind of erasing of the culture. It was a big change. 958 00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:14,920 It's really disorienting, right, to walk down a street 959 00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,559 you've walked down a hundred thousand times, 960 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:22,239 and feel struck by a sudden sense of disorientation, 961 00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,760 of feeling like, "I don't know quite where I am anymore." 962 00:57:26,239 --> 00:57:29,119 And, "Am I on the right street? Am I in the right neighborhood?" 963 00:57:29,199 --> 00:57:33,840 "Is this... is this the same city? Is this the same me?" 964 00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:39,079 One of the ways memory works is it relies on triggers. 965 00:57:39,159 --> 00:57:42,079 So, remember when you were there and who you were with, 966 00:57:42,159 --> 00:57:44,280 and then you have a chain of associations, 967 00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,920 but that chain is broken and destroyed when that place is gone. 968 00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:52,320 So, we lose ourselves. Then we lose our sense of connection 969 00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,760 and ongoingness when that happens. 970 00:57:57,639 --> 00:58:00,840 When Bloomberg became the mayor, things started to change fast. 971 00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:03,559 Those older girls that I was out there 972 00:58:03,639 --> 00:58:06,239 on the streets talking to were no longer there. 973 00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,760 Bloomberg started a program called Operation Spotlight, 974 00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:13,400 a "three strikes and you're out" system. 975 00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:18,320 If you got over three arrests for prostitution, 976 00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,239 then you can be sent away longer than a year. 977 00:58:21,639 --> 00:58:24,760 Bloomberg was able to clean up the Meatpacking District 978 00:58:25,159 --> 00:58:26,559 by sending the girls to jail. 979 00:58:28,639 --> 00:58:31,239 I spent a lot of my twenties on Rikers Island, 980 00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,320 New York City's largest jail. 981 00:58:34,079 --> 00:58:38,920 It's a horrible and disgusting place. People are just piled up on one another. 982 00:58:39,639 --> 00:58:42,760 You have people telling you when to shower, when to eat, 983 00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:43,840 and when to go to bed. 984 00:58:45,239 --> 00:58:46,480 You don't have rights. 985 00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,760 Going to Rikers, honey, was a whole 'nother ball game, 986 00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,639 'cause as soon as you go into the six building, 987 00:58:53,719 --> 00:58:58,079 back then, I'm not going to lie, like, it would be a lot of hate speech. 988 00:58:59,079 --> 00:59:01,320 As soon as they bring us off the... the bus, 989 00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,679 and we're in our little tight skirts and our heels. 990 00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,000 "Oh, look at these fuckin' faggots!" 991 00:59:08,719 --> 00:59:11,480 Come up, put your hands up here. Let me see that ring. 992 00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:13,920 -Is that a wedding ring? -Yes, it is. 993 00:59:14,679 --> 00:59:16,320 All right, leave it on. You're good. Put your hands up. 994 00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:19,559 All that is ass and tits. 995 00:59:19,639 --> 00:59:22,159 Don't worry about it, man, go over there, go over there, ass and tits, all right. 996 00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,679 -How did you do that to yourself? -Implants, Daddy. 997 00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:28,920 -Really? -Yes. 998 00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,920 -When did you do that? -About three years ago. 999 00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,840 So, when they house you, they house you with all the other men? 1000 00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:36,079 Yeah. 1001 00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:41,599 Gay housing, quarter mile down the corridor of building five. 1002 00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:43,559 You have to sign papers. 1003 00:59:44,239 --> 00:59:46,760 When you go into Rikers Island in the receiving room, 1004 00:59:47,079 --> 00:59:50,840 you can request to be placed in alternative lifestyle housing. 1005 00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,639 And that was the place where all your girlfriends would be. 1006 00:59:54,039 --> 00:59:56,719 All the queens would be there, everybody you knew was always 1007 00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:58,400 in gay housing. 1008 00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:03,920 They separated the queens and the gay boys from the population. 1009 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:08,000 My name is Shante and this is my little... my little home 1010 01:00:08,079 --> 01:00:09,679 for my little short stay while I'm here. 1011 01:00:10,639 --> 01:00:13,000 You know, my family takes care of me. 1012 01:00:13,079 --> 01:00:16,320 They... they don't knock me about my sexual preference. 1013 01:00:17,639 --> 01:00:20,079 I have something I would like for you to see. 1014 01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,159 A little bit of how I dress on the streets. 1015 01:00:23,239 --> 01:00:25,039 This is my everyday effect. 1016 01:00:25,559 --> 01:00:28,559 You know, that's how I like to dress. That's me and my male friend. 1017 01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:33,079 This is how I dress on the street. On the street, I dress as a woman. 1018 01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:39,559 This is where I hang my jackets at. My suede, my silk. Gap, of course. 1019 01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:41,239 Have a nice day. 1020 01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,159 I think I've been to Rikers about 30 times. 1021 01:00:44,719 --> 01:00:46,119 The longest time was eight months. 1022 01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:48,920 If you keep accruing charges, 1023 01:00:49,239 --> 01:00:52,320 you can be sent away longer, upstate to prison. 1024 01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:55,960 What led to my incarceration? Selling drugs. 1025 01:00:57,119 --> 01:01:00,679 I sold everything from cash, ass to grass. If I could sell it, I sold it. 1026 01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,960 Right? After a while, you get tired of being face down, ass up. 1027 01:01:05,559 --> 01:01:08,000 After a while, you get tired of hanging from the chandelier, 1028 01:01:08,079 --> 01:01:09,679 dropping down and getting your eagle on. 1029 01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,440 I had made a sale to an undercover, 1030 01:01:13,519 --> 01:01:15,480 and that's how I ended up going to prison. 1031 01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,960 You're up in the mountains, away from your city 1032 01:01:20,719 --> 01:01:22,239 where all you see is redneck. 1033 01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:26,719 All you see is chewing tobacco and them calling you nigger. 1034 01:01:27,039 --> 01:01:29,079 And ain't a damn thing you can say about it. 1035 01:01:31,559 --> 01:01:34,960 I was young. I was afraid. 1036 01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:40,320 I was gonna be raped. And I turned into a monster. 1037 01:01:42,679 --> 01:01:45,079 How it is to survive as a trans woman in jail, 1038 01:01:45,719 --> 01:01:49,079 it's a sub world within the world. 1039 01:01:49,159 --> 01:01:52,119 It's like a microcosmic world of oppression. 1040 01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:57,599 I realized that people didn't respect peace. 1041 01:01:57,920 --> 01:01:59,159 They respected violence. 1042 01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:02,519 So, I became a very violent person in jail. 1043 01:02:02,599 --> 01:02:06,039 And I was ready to fight and stab anything that came near me. 1044 01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:10,360 When you cut someone or you stab someone in jail, 1045 01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:12,360 that's a case. They add that on to your time, 1046 01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:14,280 and that's why you keep getting more time. 1047 01:02:14,599 --> 01:02:19,440 My original sentence was five to seven. So, imagine five flat to seven flat. 1048 01:02:20,199 --> 01:02:21,119 I did 14. 1049 01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:32,159 Well, after 14 years in prison, I was released in 2012. 1050 01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:36,639 They just give you a bus ticket, and whatever you have in your commissary, 1051 01:02:36,719 --> 01:02:37,880 and you're on your own. 1052 01:02:38,719 --> 01:02:40,840 I knew to go back, like, you know where to go. 1053 01:02:42,159 --> 01:02:44,159 So, I'm getting onto this bus 1054 01:02:44,239 --> 01:02:46,360 and I started seeing all these pretty stores. 1055 01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:50,920 It was very hard for me to understand what was going on around me. 1056 01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:53,159 The community is not there. 1057 01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,360 Vanessa was one of the girls who I hung out with. 1058 01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:58,079 I was like, "Yo, you heard such and such?" 1059 01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:00,280 "Uh-uh, baby, she dead." "What?" 1060 01:03:01,119 --> 01:03:02,880 "Oh, no, she gone." "What?" 1061 01:03:04,199 --> 01:03:05,639 Josie? Dead. 1062 01:03:08,519 --> 01:03:09,760 Nunie? Dead. 1063 01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:12,800 Vanessa? Dead. 1064 01:03:14,039 --> 01:03:15,480 Melissa? Dead. 1065 01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:18,719 These people are gone now. 1066 01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,480 Now, they got all these fancy shoe stores down there. 1067 01:03:24,559 --> 01:03:28,480 And what is it, the High Line? The only "high line" we had 1068 01:03:28,559 --> 01:03:30,800 was a crack pipe on the pier next to the water. 1069 01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:32,360 That's the only thrill you got. 1070 01:03:34,599 --> 01:03:35,639 The world was digital. 1071 01:03:36,039 --> 01:03:39,639 What the hell is an iPhone? When I went to jail, we had the beepers. 1072 01:03:40,559 --> 01:03:43,599 It was still some of the same but the money had changed. 1073 01:03:44,679 --> 01:03:46,920 The price of pussy went down. I ain't got time for that. 1074 01:03:48,199 --> 01:03:50,480 So, I knew I couldn't survive like that. 1075 01:03:53,039 --> 01:03:55,760 Before I just decided to, like, "I can't do this anymore." 1076 01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:58,679 I couldn't. I'm almost 50. 1077 01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:02,000 So, it took a lot for me to walk away from the thing that-- 1078 01:04:02,079 --> 01:04:04,119 The very thing that saved my life. 1079 01:04:07,039 --> 01:04:08,199 The Stroll was over. 1080 01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:30,280 This rain, to me, kind of represents 1081 01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,800 all of the tears of the girls who didn't make it to see today. 1082 01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:40,079 I like to think that they're giving me their blessings from above. 1083 01:04:42,079 --> 01:04:48,400 I think about all of the girls that used to sleep up here. 1084 01:04:49,239 --> 01:04:53,440 Back in the day, this whole row was encampments. 1085 01:04:53,519 --> 01:04:55,480 Girls living in cardboard boxes. 1086 01:04:57,639 --> 01:05:01,199 And I just can't believe how many times I had to go to jail 1087 01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:03,719 for this High Line park to be built. 1088 01:05:13,159 --> 01:05:15,360 Do you remember when we used to walk down here, 1089 01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:19,159 and all the neighbors used to stare at us, and we used to be... 1090 01:05:19,239 --> 01:05:20,760 -And we would just be pumping. -...runway. 1091 01:05:21,679 --> 01:05:24,400 And they would look at us like we were circus freaks, 1092 01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:26,840 but you could tell they enjoyed it. 1093 01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:30,239 I remember the girls would be on this corner, 1094 01:05:30,559 --> 01:05:34,800 -lined up against this wall. -Right. I would be standing right here. 1095 01:05:35,639 --> 01:05:37,400 -Just perched like... -Perched. 1096 01:05:38,159 --> 01:05:39,239 Looking for a date. 1097 01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:43,039 Sometimes, we used to just go up to the cars. 1098 01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:45,280 -Yes. -Look, Kristen. 1099 01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:49,559 Yes. Let me call a date. Or give him the very... 1100 01:05:52,039 --> 01:05:54,840 I could just imagine Josie as she was, 1101 01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:57,239 you know, out in a scandal-- 1102 01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:59,559 And walking up to the cars like nothing. 1103 01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:04,639 She would come down the street and she would have all this body. 1104 01:06:04,719 --> 01:06:06,000 -Right. -She would be in like, you know, 1105 01:06:06,079 --> 01:06:09,599 her ass out up to here, like, "How you doing, baby?" 1106 01:06:09,679 --> 01:06:14,760 And she would come back with a bag of money. 1107 01:06:15,119 --> 01:06:19,519 Josie was the true meaning of a trans woman sex worker. 1108 01:06:19,599 --> 01:06:21,920 She would show everybody how it's done. 1109 01:06:23,119 --> 01:06:25,440 What do you think she would think about today though, like... 1110 01:06:25,519 --> 01:06:29,599 I think, today, Josie would still be here right now, making her money. 1111 01:06:31,119 --> 01:06:32,719 She was out here a very long time, 1112 01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:35,000 I think longer than any of us has been out here. 1113 01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:38,960 And I could only imagine being 12, 13 years old, 1114 01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:43,320 having to come out into the streets because your family don't accept you 1115 01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:46,559 to have to sex work to survive. 1116 01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:50,800 I can't stop thinking about, 1117 01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:52,679 like, I see all these people walking around, 1118 01:06:53,239 --> 01:06:55,400 and it reminds me of the people 1119 01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:57,360 that were standing in their place back in our day 1120 01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:58,519 that are no longer here. 1121 01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:01,440 A lot of people lost their lives... 1122 01:07:03,199 --> 01:07:04,920 trying to survive here on this corner. 1123 01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:11,400 Today, we're at this point of liberation and visibility 1124 01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:13,519 and everybody's got talking about trans issues. 1125 01:07:14,079 --> 01:07:15,280 And act like 1126 01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:16,920 -it's something new. -Hold on, I can't. 1127 01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:18,679 I can't. 1128 01:07:21,239 --> 01:07:22,880 Oh, my God. I can't... 1129 01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:31,000 Then I come here and I feel fucked up. 1130 01:07:33,079 --> 01:07:35,039 I can't even believe it. It's like, 1131 01:07:35,719 --> 01:07:38,599 the things we had to do. I hate this place. 1132 01:07:39,599 --> 01:07:41,199 I fucking hate this place. 1133 01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:44,920 Let's go. 1134 01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:48,159 Come on, let's go home. 1135 01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:08,760 From back then, from the '80s... 1136 01:08:10,239 --> 01:08:12,199 let's say there was a thousand girls. 1137 01:08:13,079 --> 01:08:16,520 Today, living from that era, it may be five. 1138 01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:20,478 -Oh, my God. -It might be five of us left from then 1139 01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:23,478 that was out on The Stroll because everybody's gone. 1140 01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:25,000 Trans women don't... 1141 01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:29,478 get to live past 35 or 40. 1142 01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:33,039 So, if you were here and you made it 1143 01:08:34,039 --> 01:08:36,478 to live that beyond, you are tremendously blessed, 1144 01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:42,318 and you have changed the dynamics of the system. 1145 01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:47,359 And you must. You must. Even in your depression. 1146 01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:50,559 You owe it to every trans woman before you, 1147 01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:54,639 and everyone after you, to keep moving and keep pushing. 1148 01:08:57,039 --> 01:09:00,760 The trans community has always been in survival mode forever, 1149 01:09:01,279 --> 01:09:05,119 and it is important that we all get an opportunity 1150 01:09:05,199 --> 01:09:07,478 to thrive. 1151 01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:15,119 I believe that the gay rights movement has consistently left us behind, 1152 01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:21,279 and it took trans people and sex workers to start our own fight. 1153 01:09:22,158 --> 01:09:26,398 As a sex worker, as a person who live, and make their living 1154 01:09:26,478 --> 01:09:32,078 for 30 years, exchanging sex for anything that I needed, 1155 01:09:32,158 --> 01:09:36,520 I want to remind you all that we cannot forget sex workers. 1156 01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:40,960 We've been gatekeeped from the smallest windows 1157 01:09:41,039 --> 01:09:42,478 in society to the highest. 1158 01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:47,199 Black trans women are now in the fight and we won't go away. 1159 01:09:47,279 --> 01:09:51,478 -Black trans lives matter! -Black trans lives matter! 1160 01:09:51,559 --> 01:09:53,600 Across the country, where we're seeing an escalation 1161 01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:57,439 of policing, an escalation of laws targeting trans people. 1162 01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:00,199 Many places have some criminal law 1163 01:10:00,279 --> 01:10:03,559 that is about indicating that one is a sex worker. 1164 01:10:03,639 --> 01:10:06,159 And these are, broadly speaking, 1165 01:10:06,239 --> 01:10:08,639 the laws, in New York and around the country 1166 01:10:08,719 --> 01:10:11,000 that have been referred to as the "Walking While Trans" laws. 1167 01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:14,039 What these laws essentially make a crime 1168 01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:19,239 is looking like you're going to engage in sex work. 1169 01:10:19,318 --> 01:10:23,318 Things like talking to people in cars, walking down the street, 1170 01:10:24,199 --> 01:10:28,960 congregating with others. Very unclear, vague, 1171 01:10:29,039 --> 01:10:34,318 overbroad set of laws that, for decades, have been used just to target 1172 01:10:34,398 --> 01:10:36,719 and harass largely trans women of color. 1173 01:10:38,239 --> 01:10:40,318 -Trans rights are human rights! -Trans rights are human rights! 1174 01:10:40,398 --> 01:10:46,039 I believe that change is often reflected in legislation. 1175 01:10:46,119 --> 01:10:48,199 -Black trans lives matter! -Black trans lives matter! 1176 01:10:51,159 --> 01:10:53,478 Welcome back to Capital Tonight. I'm Susan Arbetter. 1177 01:10:53,559 --> 01:10:55,639 Advocates are calling for the repeal of a bill 1178 01:10:55,719 --> 01:10:58,840 that's been used to arrest transgender women of color. 1179 01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:02,159 TS Candii, a Black trans woman, who on a summer afternoon 1180 01:11:02,239 --> 01:11:04,800 in 2017 was smoking outside her apartment 1181 01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:06,880 when a police officer approached her. 1182 01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:10,520 He threatened to arrest her under this very section, 240.37, 1183 01:11:11,039 --> 01:11:12,760 unless she performed oral sex on him. 1184 01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:20,239 -Bring the bill to vote now! -Bring the bill to vote now! 1185 01:11:20,318 --> 01:11:22,079 -We are ready... -We are ready... 1186 01:11:22,159 --> 01:11:23,840 -...to repeal... -...to repeal... 1187 01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:25,600 -...the Walking... -...the Walking... 1188 01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:27,239 -...While Trans... -...While Trans... 1189 01:11:27,318 --> 01:11:28,439 -...ban. -...ban. 1190 01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:30,520 New tonight, Governor Cuomo has signed 1191 01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:32,359 a measure repealing parts of the so-called, 1192 01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:34,840 "Walking While Trans" law. 1193 01:11:35,199 --> 01:11:38,000 It was passed in the '70s to prohibit loitering 1194 01:11:38,079 --> 01:11:39,600 for the purpose of prostitution. 1195 01:11:40,039 --> 01:11:43,000 An act to repeal Section 240.37 of the penal law, 1196 01:11:43,079 --> 01:11:45,960 -ayes 45, May 16. -The bill is passed. 1197 01:11:46,398 --> 01:11:48,359 The most important part of all of this 1198 01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:51,760 is like people like me and people like everybody here 1199 01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:54,359 that identify as trans are gonna be able 1200 01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:59,478 to see themselves reflected in this important point of the city, 1201 01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:04,159 and say, "Me as a trans person, I see myself reflected." 1202 01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:08,840 "Me as a person of color, I see myself reflected." 1203 01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:13,559 "Me as a former sex worker, I see myself reflected." 1204 01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:21,520 Today, sex workers are finding a way to express their needs, 1205 01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:24,920 and to ask for the solutions that they need for themselves. 1206 01:12:30,239 --> 01:12:34,639 I didn't want to work for another agency that was gonna govern my work, 1207 01:12:34,719 --> 01:12:38,359 or my thoughts, or my dreams, or my wishes for my community. 1208 01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:42,079 I wanted to do that and have ownership of my own. 1209 01:12:42,159 --> 01:12:46,840 You took part in a very iconic moment at the Brooklyn March. 1210 01:12:47,359 --> 01:12:49,439 We had started a fundraiser 1211 01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:52,639 exactly three days before the liberation march. 1212 01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:58,520 In three days' time, the numbers blew my face off. 1213 01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:02,760 -Black trans lives matter! -Black trans lives matter! 1214 01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:06,760 -Black trans lives matter! -Ceyenne Doroshow. 1215 01:13:14,478 --> 01:13:17,000 We're whores! 1216 01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,639 I am the founder of GLITS Inc., 1217 01:13:24,719 --> 01:13:28,478 that's "Gays and Lesbians Living in a Transgender Society." 1218 01:13:32,039 --> 01:13:35,840 I named it that because we have always been last. 1219 01:13:37,359 --> 01:13:39,800 That's not gonna happen anymore, we're first. 1220 01:13:40,559 --> 01:13:45,920 I am now creating housing for Black trans women, 1221 01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:49,199 for Black trans men. 1222 01:13:50,119 --> 01:13:53,119 We have never had equity in the city of New York. 1223 01:13:54,159 --> 01:13:56,079 Motherfuckers, we do now. 1224 01:13:57,559 --> 01:14:01,639 On Sunday, my White allies and my Black allies 1225 01:14:02,559 --> 01:14:05,000 said they were gonna raise money for me, 1226 01:14:05,079 --> 01:14:07,279 and New York City, I want y'all to know... 1227 01:14:09,719 --> 01:14:11,680 we're damn near sitting on a million dollars. 1228 01:14:25,639 --> 01:14:26,760 We made it here. 1229 01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:33,159 We're buying equity. 1230 01:14:35,119 --> 01:14:36,880 We're buying property. 1231 01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:43,760 This is what Black power looks like. 1232 01:14:47,239 --> 01:14:50,398 This is what trans lives look like. 1233 01:14:51,239 --> 01:14:53,279 For every girl that's died, 1234 01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:56,279 the police need to be ashamed of themselves. 1235 01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,719 For every time we had to bury one of ours, 1236 01:15:00,079 --> 01:15:02,159 they need to be ashamed of themselves. 1237 01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:08,478 You're looking at a Black, international whore, baby. 1238 01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:09,880 It's me. 1239 01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:16,800 And I'm selling me to save you. 1240 01:15:24,279 --> 01:15:27,239 There's an outcast in everybody's life 1241 01:15:27,318 --> 01:15:30,719 -And I am her -I am her 1242 01:15:31,199 --> 01:15:34,279 There's a shadow in everybody's front door 1243 01:15:34,359 --> 01:15:37,318 -And I am her... -I am her... 1244 01:15:37,398 --> 01:15:39,359 As a young, homeless trans woman 1245 01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:42,000 sleeping in movie theatres, I never thought 1246 01:15:42,079 --> 01:15:44,760 I would have the power and ability to make films. 1247 01:15:45,639 --> 01:15:48,279 I am so proud that the girls are happy, 1248 01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:51,039 and I wanted to give them the opportunity to shine. 1249 01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:55,559 ...All that glitters isn't gold 1250 01:15:56,079 --> 01:15:59,318 At least that's what I've been told... 1251 01:16:00,039 --> 01:16:02,119 The system never gave us resources. 1252 01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:05,760 We created the resources by telling our stories, 1253 01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:09,960 by standing out there and rallying. I am my own liberation. 1254 01:16:10,639 --> 01:16:13,359 ...It wouldn't be the worst thing That I ever did 1255 01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:17,359 It's a hell of a world That we're living in 1256 01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:20,719 James 2:10, "a sin is a sin..." 1257 01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:22,840 When people say that there's no honor 1258 01:16:23,199 --> 01:16:27,960 amongst hoes, they told a fucking lie, because for The Stroll for us back then, 1259 01:16:28,039 --> 01:16:29,559 there was nothing but honor, 1260 01:16:29,639 --> 01:16:32,760 and protect a girl who was walking down that back street. 1261 01:16:33,279 --> 01:16:35,639 ...There's an outcast in everybody's life 1262 01:16:36,199 --> 01:16:39,639 -And I am her... -I am her... 1263 01:16:40,359 --> 01:16:41,760 A lot of these new girls, 1264 01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:44,600 they don't know about what we have done for them. 1265 01:16:45,119 --> 01:16:48,719 We paved the way. We fought to be where we are. 1266 01:16:49,079 --> 01:16:52,000 No matter how much my future changes, 1267 01:16:52,079 --> 01:16:53,960 14th Street will always be a part of me. 1268 01:16:54,840 --> 01:17:00,520 ...Oh, you know I am her 1269 01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:06,119 I am shame, she is me, we get down... 1270 01:17:06,199 --> 01:17:12,079 To live 20 years on a ho stroll, being homeless, being on drugs, 1271 01:17:12,398 --> 01:17:15,159 doing what I had to do, and I survived all of it, 1272 01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:17,920 I feel that I am that Wonder Woman. 1273 01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:21,760 And I am here today at the age of 60. 1274 01:17:23,159 --> 01:17:26,119 ...There's an outcast in everybody's life 1275 01:17:26,199 --> 01:17:29,478 -And I am her... -I am her... 1276 01:17:30,039 --> 01:17:36,079 After 20 years, we're still connected. We always look out for one another. 1277 01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:41,920 Through all of our shared experiences, our sisterhood still thrives. 1278 01:17:42,279 --> 01:17:43,639 And I am her... 1279 01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:46,840 You can take the girl off of The Stroll, 1280 01:17:48,159 --> 01:17:50,559 but you can't take The Stroll out of the girl. 110138

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