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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,914 --> 00:00:04,178 [slow music] 2 00:00:08,356 --> 00:00:11,533 - I walked into the interview room 3 00:00:11,620 --> 00:00:14,536 and I introduced myself to Gary Ridgway 4 00:00:15,928 --> 00:00:18,627 and I said, "Gary, I'm Dr. O'Toole 5 00:00:18,714 --> 00:00:21,717 "from the FBI's behavioral analysis unit. 6 00:00:23,284 --> 00:00:26,417 "And the task force has asked me to stop by 7 00:00:26,504 --> 00:00:31,031 "and see if you are worthy of being in the FBI's research." 8 00:00:32,510 --> 00:00:33,381 He was very eager. 9 00:00:33,511 --> 00:00:36,514 He said, "Oh, yes, yes, I am. 10 00:00:36,601 --> 00:00:38,386 "I'm very willing to talk about it." 11 00:00:40,083 --> 00:00:42,390 So he looked in the camera and he said. 12 00:00:50,528 --> 00:00:53,314 [dramatic music] 13 00:00:53,444 --> 00:00:55,838 - [Man] Five of the most prolific serial killers 14 00:00:55,925 --> 00:00:59,711 in American history were all operating at the same time. 15 00:00:59,798 --> 00:01:00,930 - [Reporter 1] John Wayne Gacy. 16 00:01:01,017 --> 00:01:01,757 - [Reporter 2] Ted Bundy is still alive. 17 00:01:01,844 --> 00:01:02,671 - [Reporter 3] BTK. 18 00:01:02,758 --> 00:01:04,151 - [Reporter 4] Jeffrey Dahmer. 19 00:01:04,238 --> 00:01:05,500 - [Reporter 5] The so-called Green River Killer. 20 00:01:05,630 --> 00:01:07,937 - [Mark] This was the golden age of serial killers. 21 00:01:24,780 --> 00:01:26,216 - [Reporter 6] For years, 22 00:01:26,347 --> 00:01:28,175 the Green River task force has chased the ghost 23 00:01:28,305 --> 00:01:31,743 of a killer too diabolically clever to catch. 24 00:01:31,830 --> 00:01:33,615 - There were a number of detectives 25 00:01:33,702 --> 00:01:36,444 who truly believed Gary Ridgway was the Green River Killer, 26 00:01:38,489 --> 00:01:40,491 but certainly we did not have the evidence 27 00:01:40,578 --> 00:01:41,971 to move forward with prosecution. 28 00:01:44,582 --> 00:01:47,019 - Serial killer Theodore Bundy is executed 29 00:01:47,150 --> 00:01:48,847 after nearly a decade on death row. 30 00:01:48,978 --> 00:01:50,632 Bundy was convicted of three brutal murders 31 00:01:50,762 --> 00:01:53,069 and was linked to dozens more. 32 00:01:53,156 --> 00:01:55,245 - I was glad when he was gone, 33 00:01:55,332 --> 00:01:59,206 but unfortunately, killing a serial killer doesn't stop them 34 00:01:59,293 --> 00:02:00,555 from being a serial killer. 35 00:02:00,642 --> 00:02:01,991 They did their damage. 36 00:02:05,821 --> 00:02:07,736 - [Reporter 7] It took the jury less than two hours 37 00:02:07,823 --> 00:02:11,870 to find John Wayne Gacy guilty of murdering 33 young men. 38 00:02:11,957 --> 00:02:14,656 - When he was sentenced to death, he didn't even blink. 39 00:02:14,786 --> 00:02:16,005 He didn't bat an eye, nothing. 40 00:02:17,267 --> 00:02:19,008 And that's a true sociopath. 41 00:02:19,095 --> 00:02:20,749 The guy was scary. 42 00:02:20,879 --> 00:02:23,099 - [Profiler] Serial killers, they're very arrogant, 43 00:02:23,186 --> 00:02:25,188 they think they're unstoppable. 44 00:02:25,275 --> 00:02:27,408 And that's what happened with Dahmer. 45 00:02:27,495 --> 00:02:30,715 - This kid had had a small hole drilled in his head 46 00:02:30,802 --> 00:02:32,413 and acid poured in, 47 00:02:32,500 --> 00:02:35,155 so he couldn't communicate with law enforcement. 48 00:02:35,242 --> 00:02:38,201 - They let Konerak go back into Jeffrey's apartment. 49 00:02:38,332 --> 00:02:40,682 And within an hour, he killed him. 50 00:02:44,599 --> 00:02:46,905 - Back in 1974, we couldn't even spell DNA, 51 00:02:47,036 --> 00:02:50,257 but at Josephine's feet, there was a pool. 52 00:02:50,344 --> 00:02:53,434 31 years later, the genetic profile would be drawn 53 00:02:53,521 --> 00:02:56,524 from one of those preserved pieces of evidence. 54 00:02:56,654 --> 00:02:57,786 - BTK goes through this period 55 00:02:57,873 --> 00:02:59,831 where he does not kill for years. 56 00:03:01,006 --> 00:03:06,360 - And then in 1985, he kills his neighbor Marine Hedge. 57 00:03:06,490 --> 00:03:08,188 Well, they never dreamed this was BTK 58 00:03:08,318 --> 00:03:10,146 because BTK had disappeared. 59 00:03:13,715 --> 00:03:16,370 [dramatic music] 60 00:03:25,901 --> 00:03:28,120 - Dennis Rader was a church-going, 61 00:03:28,251 --> 00:03:30,210 well-respected member of the community 62 00:03:31,385 --> 00:03:33,474 that hid this incredibly dark side. 63 00:03:35,476 --> 00:03:37,173 Now there was a long period of time 64 00:03:37,304 --> 00:03:41,177 when Dennis wasn't active physically in killing. 65 00:03:41,308 --> 00:03:43,179 He was active mentally. 66 00:03:43,310 --> 00:03:44,746 He fantasizes about it. 67 00:03:46,617 --> 00:03:52,232 You can only fantasize so long before you cross that line. 68 00:03:52,841 --> 00:03:54,582 Once you cross that line, 69 00:03:56,105 --> 00:03:58,107 that is not a line you can come back from. 70 00:04:02,503 --> 00:04:06,028 - After he kills his neighbor, Marine Hedge, 71 00:04:06,158 --> 00:04:10,380 and then Vicki Wegerle, BTK disappears again. 72 00:04:10,467 --> 00:04:15,864 He waits five more years, until 1991, 73 00:04:15,951 --> 00:04:17,648 to kill again. 74 00:04:18,214 --> 00:04:19,259 And this is Dolores Davis. 75 00:04:21,826 --> 00:04:26,222 - My mom, she had gone out to eat, came back, 76 00:04:26,353 --> 00:04:27,615 and I know Mom's habit. 77 00:04:27,745 --> 00:04:30,270 She'd stay up till about 10 or so 78 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:34,056 and then she'd lock everything down and she'd go to bed. 79 00:04:36,319 --> 00:04:38,408 - Rather than trying to break quietly 80 00:04:38,495 --> 00:04:42,107 into Dolores Davis's home, he just throws a cement block 81 00:04:42,194 --> 00:04:43,892 through her sliding glass door. 82 00:05:01,692 --> 00:05:05,261 - I got a call from my sister that next day saying 83 00:05:05,392 --> 00:05:08,003 that her house had been broken into and she was gone. 84 00:05:09,831 --> 00:05:12,834 - Dolores starts off as a missing person 85 00:05:12,964 --> 00:05:15,227 but it's clear from her residence 86 00:05:15,315 --> 00:05:16,664 that something bad had happened. 87 00:05:19,536 --> 00:05:22,757 - The one thing that really stuck out to me, 88 00:05:22,844 --> 00:05:27,675 there was a half-eaten bowl of cereal on her countertop. 89 00:05:28,110 --> 00:05:30,417 I said, "Something's wrong about that." 90 00:05:30,504 --> 00:05:33,811 She never went to bed with a dirty kitchen, period. 91 00:05:33,942 --> 00:05:35,683 He thinks he's a comedian, 92 00:05:35,770 --> 00:05:39,861 so he ate a bowl of cereal to let everybody know 93 00:05:39,991 --> 00:05:42,298 that he was a serial killer. 94 00:05:42,429 --> 00:05:44,518 Isn't he a charming fellow? 95 00:05:44,648 --> 00:05:46,998 - [Anchor] Dolores D. Davis was abducted from her home. 96 00:05:47,085 --> 00:05:48,913 Her body was found 13 days later 97 00:05:49,044 --> 00:05:51,176 under a bridge in Northern Sedgwick County. 98 00:05:51,263 --> 00:05:53,309 Davis had been strangled. 99 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,703 Her feet, hands, and knees were bound with pantyhose. 100 00:06:00,142 --> 00:06:03,319 - They told us that they had found a white female. 101 00:06:03,450 --> 00:06:07,845 He said, quote, "We're 99% sure it's your mother." 102 00:06:07,976 --> 00:06:09,543 And that's troubling because 103 00:06:14,025 --> 00:06:19,074 if she wasn't recognizable, then that's hard to swallow. 104 00:06:20,292 --> 00:06:21,555 I came unglued. 105 00:06:21,642 --> 00:06:25,254 I just completely lost it. 106 00:06:32,217 --> 00:06:35,917 - His MO was bind, torture, kill, 107 00:06:36,047 --> 00:06:38,485 leave the body in the house. 108 00:06:38,615 --> 00:06:42,314 But Dolores Davis's body was found in a ditch. 109 00:06:42,402 --> 00:06:44,099 It just didn't fit. 110 00:06:44,229 --> 00:06:45,796 - From a police perspective, 111 00:06:45,927 --> 00:06:47,668 they're still dealing with homicides 112 00:06:47,798 --> 00:06:50,584 on a case by case basis. 113 00:06:50,714 --> 00:06:55,502 Something like a change in MO could really trigger the idea 114 00:06:55,589 --> 00:06:58,983 that this is not the same killer, that this is a one-off. 115 00:06:59,114 --> 00:07:01,377 So the police are not looking at BTK. 116 00:07:01,508 --> 00:07:02,944 He is not a suspect. 117 00:07:06,426 --> 00:07:09,559 In 1991, Jeffrey Dahmer's also flying 118 00:07:09,690 --> 00:07:11,822 under the radar of police. 119 00:07:11,953 --> 00:07:14,042 - Jeffrey Dahmer's victim selection, 120 00:07:14,129 --> 00:07:16,479 young gay men, racial minority, 121 00:07:16,610 --> 00:07:19,439 allowed him to evade law enforcement 122 00:07:19,569 --> 00:07:20,918 for a longer period of time, 123 00:07:21,005 --> 00:07:23,094 because he knew on some level 124 00:07:23,181 --> 00:07:26,663 that this was a disenfranchised element of society 125 00:07:26,794 --> 00:07:29,318 that would go unnoticed were they to disappear. 126 00:07:51,862 --> 00:07:55,387 - Dahmer met Tracy Edwards outside the Grand Avenue Mall 127 00:07:55,518 --> 00:07:57,085 and then they went to his apartment. 128 00:07:58,826 --> 00:08:00,828 - Dahmer said, "Why don't you come back to my place 129 00:08:00,958 --> 00:08:03,526 "and I'll pay you some money to take some pictures of you 130 00:08:03,657 --> 00:08:05,441 "and we could watch some movies." 131 00:08:05,572 --> 00:08:07,051 - So I thought about it, said, "Yeah, he's pretty cool. 132 00:08:07,182 --> 00:08:08,749 "I guess it's all right to go have a beer." 133 00:08:08,836 --> 00:08:10,098 'Cause I thought he was an average guy, 134 00:08:10,185 --> 00:08:12,013 seemed normal to me, you know. 135 00:08:14,494 --> 00:08:17,627 - Dahmer offers Tracy a drink of rum and Coke 136 00:08:17,758 --> 00:08:20,891 because Dahmer was out of the sleeping pills. 137 00:08:20,978 --> 00:08:22,153 - I had my head turned like this, 138 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,634 looking at the fish tank, you know. 139 00:08:24,765 --> 00:08:27,071 And before I knew it, he threw the handcuff on me. 140 00:08:27,202 --> 00:08:28,682 - Tracy said, 141 00:08:28,769 --> 00:08:29,639 "Okay, there must be something wrong with this guy. 142 00:08:29,726 --> 00:08:30,597 "I'm just going to appease him 143 00:08:30,684 --> 00:08:32,294 "and talk to him for a minute." 144 00:08:32,381 --> 00:08:34,601 Especially when Dahmer pulled out this huge hunting knife. 145 00:08:36,385 --> 00:08:38,300 And Dahmer puts on "The Exorcist 3" 146 00:08:38,430 --> 00:08:40,694 and they're watching it and Dahmer's humming 147 00:08:40,824 --> 00:08:44,306 and rocking back and forth, almost going into a trance. 148 00:08:45,873 --> 00:08:47,222 And saying things to Tracy Edwards like, 149 00:08:47,309 --> 00:08:48,832 "Oh, you wouldn't believe what I've done 150 00:08:48,963 --> 00:08:51,966 "and I'm going to do to you and I want to eat your heart." 151 00:08:52,053 --> 00:08:56,013 He actually put his head up against Tracy Edwards' chest 152 00:08:56,100 --> 00:08:58,015 just to listen to his heartbeat 153 00:08:58,102 --> 00:09:00,409 because he wanted to hear it before he murdered him. 154 00:09:03,804 --> 00:09:05,196 - Like I knew that it was 155 00:09:05,283 --> 00:09:06,371 a life and death situation then, right? 156 00:09:06,502 --> 00:09:08,722 Yeah, it was me against him. 157 00:09:11,246 --> 00:09:13,944 - Eventually, Tracy gets loose, punches him, 158 00:09:14,075 --> 00:09:15,467 and he gets out of the apartment, 159 00:09:15,598 --> 00:09:17,165 half naked wearing this one handcuff. 160 00:09:19,646 --> 00:09:22,823 - Mr. Edwards is able to run onto the street 161 00:09:22,910 --> 00:09:24,738 and flag down a squad. 162 00:09:24,868 --> 00:09:28,350 And those two officers first just tried to use their key 163 00:09:28,437 --> 00:09:30,613 that they had for their police handcuffs. 164 00:09:30,700 --> 00:09:32,441 That key didn't work. 165 00:09:32,572 --> 00:09:34,878 And so they went back to the apartment, 166 00:09:34,965 --> 00:09:37,533 thinking that they're just going to get the key from Dahmer 167 00:09:37,664 --> 00:09:39,448 and take those handcuffs off 168 00:09:39,535 --> 00:09:41,189 and that's going to be the end of it. 169 00:09:43,670 --> 00:09:46,542 - I'm in my house and then I open up my door 170 00:09:46,673 --> 00:09:50,024 and I'm looking out here and I'm seeing the guy 171 00:09:50,111 --> 00:09:51,591 who was at his door, 172 00:09:51,678 --> 00:09:53,984 dangling this handcuff thing like this. 173 00:09:54,115 --> 00:09:56,596 And there's an officer standing there 174 00:09:59,381 --> 00:10:01,426 and I hear people coming in the apartment. 175 00:10:01,513 --> 00:10:04,473 I hear a little bit of commotion over at his house. 176 00:10:06,127 --> 00:10:08,608 - One of the police officers goes in the bedroom. 177 00:10:08,738 --> 00:10:10,827 and they see a drawer that's open. 178 00:10:10,914 --> 00:10:13,874 - They had no idea what they would find there. 179 00:10:14,004 --> 00:10:16,877 Didn't know there was a skull in the refrigerator. 180 00:10:16,964 --> 00:10:18,400 It was a death nest. 181 00:10:24,711 --> 00:10:27,931 [intense music] 182 00:10:28,062 --> 00:10:29,890 - [Reporter] Milwaukee police were led to an apartment 183 00:10:30,020 --> 00:10:32,283 in this building after they were flagged down 184 00:10:32,414 --> 00:10:35,809 by a handcuffed man who claimed he had been attacked. 185 00:10:35,896 --> 00:10:38,594 - The police went up and they were talking to Dahmer. 186 00:10:38,725 --> 00:10:42,511 Well, one of the officers went in the bedroom 187 00:10:42,642 --> 00:10:46,167 and saw the photos in the drawer. 188 00:10:46,297 --> 00:10:47,734 And that started everything. 189 00:10:51,781 --> 00:10:56,873 - In this drawer are dozens of Polaroids of young men, 190 00:10:57,004 --> 00:10:59,484 dismembered, murdered, in a bathtub, 191 00:10:59,615 --> 00:11:02,444 their skin stripped off, you know, just awful pictures. 192 00:11:04,185 --> 00:11:07,362 So the cops arrest Dahmer, who starts to fight with them. 193 00:11:09,233 --> 00:11:15,196 - And then I heard an awful horrible scream. 194 00:11:16,501 --> 00:11:18,547 It sounded like an animal's growl, 195 00:11:18,678 --> 00:11:21,550 like a bear or something like that. 196 00:11:21,637 --> 00:11:23,160 It was Jeff. 197 00:11:23,247 --> 00:11:27,208 He screamed like that because he did not want them 198 00:11:28,905 --> 00:11:31,386 to look in the refrigerator and to see the head. 199 00:11:33,823 --> 00:11:34,955 - Then they open the refrigerator. 200 00:11:35,042 --> 00:11:36,173 There's a fully enfleshed skull 201 00:11:36,260 --> 00:11:37,958 of one of his earlier victims. 202 00:11:40,090 --> 00:11:41,657 And he's telling them right away what's happening. 203 00:11:41,744 --> 00:11:44,921 Short order, he's giving a full confession. 204 00:11:45,008 --> 00:11:46,706 - They said, "Where's the key for the handcuffs?" 205 00:11:46,793 --> 00:11:48,011 He said, "I don't have it. 206 00:11:48,098 --> 00:11:49,230 "I was going to cut his hands off." 207 00:11:54,626 --> 00:11:57,891 - That day after he got arrested, 208 00:11:57,978 --> 00:12:02,896 they started bringing out boxes and big soup kettles, 209 00:12:02,983 --> 00:12:05,550 and I'm going, "Well, what's in there and what's?" 210 00:12:05,681 --> 00:12:08,162 And they said, "Please, ma'am, don't look in there." 211 00:12:08,292 --> 00:12:12,862 They said, "Those are body parts in those pots 212 00:12:12,949 --> 00:12:16,170 "and in those boxes are skulls." 213 00:12:16,257 --> 00:12:17,519 It was horrible. 214 00:12:17,649 --> 00:12:19,739 It was absolutely horrible. 215 00:12:21,915 --> 00:12:24,047 - After Dahmer's apprehended, 216 00:12:24,178 --> 00:12:25,614 the news of what happened 217 00:12:25,701 --> 00:12:28,312 with the Konerak incident comes forward. 218 00:12:28,399 --> 00:12:30,793 - [Man] The neighbors called police when this 14 year old, 219 00:12:30,924 --> 00:12:32,969 a brother of the boy Dahmer molested, 220 00:12:33,100 --> 00:12:34,623 was seen running naked and bleeding 221 00:12:34,710 --> 00:12:36,059 from Dahmer's apartment. 222 00:12:36,146 --> 00:12:37,844 The police returned the boy to Dahmer 223 00:12:37,931 --> 00:12:40,020 after he said they were lovers. 224 00:12:40,150 --> 00:12:42,500 - He got away with it by telling the officers, 225 00:12:42,587 --> 00:12:44,633 "This is my lover." 226 00:12:55,078 --> 00:12:57,864 - I do think there was some shoddy workmanship 227 00:12:57,951 --> 00:13:00,040 on the police part that night. 228 00:13:00,170 --> 00:13:02,694 They supposedly didn't even check Dahmer's ID 229 00:13:02,825 --> 00:13:06,307 to check if he had any criminal history. 230 00:13:07,743 --> 00:13:09,701 - That would have been another person, 231 00:13:09,832 --> 00:13:12,966 or if that boy be white, could've been different. 232 00:13:14,881 --> 00:13:17,535 - [Reporter] Outrage over Dahmer has shifted to police. 233 00:13:17,666 --> 00:13:19,102 There are charges of racism, a belief that 234 00:13:19,189 --> 00:13:21,801 many of the killings could have been stopped. 235 00:13:21,931 --> 00:13:25,456 - Because it was in the inner city, 236 00:13:25,543 --> 00:13:28,982 ghetto neighborhood, poor black people. 237 00:13:30,505 --> 00:13:34,901 They just mistreated all of us down there. 238 00:13:36,032 --> 00:13:37,947 They should be held responsible. 239 00:13:38,078 --> 00:13:39,906 - You didn't say nothing about this white boy over here, 240 00:13:40,036 --> 00:13:41,559 killing us over here. 241 00:13:41,690 --> 00:13:42,909 Somebody that's gonna investigate 242 00:13:43,039 --> 00:13:45,259 the police department. 243 00:13:45,346 --> 00:13:47,739 - [Crowd] We want justice! We want justice! 244 00:13:47,870 --> 00:13:51,047 - Relationships between law enforcement 245 00:13:51,178 --> 00:13:55,704 and marginalized communities were very tense. 246 00:13:55,791 --> 00:13:58,576 Not much has changed. 247 00:13:58,663 --> 00:14:02,319 And I think that's evident considering, you know, 248 00:14:02,406 --> 00:14:05,627 the summer of unrest we had in 2020. 249 00:14:05,714 --> 00:14:08,673 We still have a long way to go with police relationships 250 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:10,197 and communities of color. 251 00:14:16,116 --> 00:14:17,987 - [Woman] Jeffrey Dahmer today changed his plea 252 00:14:18,074 --> 00:14:20,947 from not guilty to guilty but insane. 253 00:14:21,034 --> 00:14:22,470 - And you're doing this of your own free will? 254 00:14:22,557 --> 00:14:24,733 - Yes, I'm doing this of my own free will. 255 00:14:24,864 --> 00:14:26,517 - He never denied that he killed. 256 00:14:26,648 --> 00:14:29,172 He pled guilty, gave full confession and pled guilty, 257 00:14:29,259 --> 00:14:31,696 so the focus was insanity or not. 258 00:14:31,783 --> 00:14:33,002 - [Man] The trial will be 259 00:14:33,089 --> 00:14:34,525 to determine Dahmer's state of mind 260 00:14:34,656 --> 00:14:36,223 when the murders occurred. 261 00:14:36,310 --> 00:14:39,008 - The defense was that Dahmer lost control of himself. 262 00:14:39,139 --> 00:14:42,664 This necrophilia, the desire for sex with dead bodies, 263 00:14:42,794 --> 00:14:45,493 the desire for sex with unconscious bodies, 264 00:14:45,623 --> 00:14:46,537 put him out of control. 265 00:14:46,624 --> 00:14:47,930 He couldn't control it. 266 00:14:48,061 --> 00:14:49,453 He ought not to be held accountable. 267 00:14:49,540 --> 00:14:50,411 That was the defense. 268 00:14:51,934 --> 00:14:53,936 - So you have some of these serial killers 269 00:14:54,023 --> 00:14:57,113 who are engaging with the victims after they die. 270 00:14:57,244 --> 00:15:01,596 Guys like Bundy and Gacy and even Ridgway 271 00:15:01,683 --> 00:15:05,556 leaving and then coming back a day or two later 272 00:15:05,687 --> 00:15:08,037 to then engage with the victim. 273 00:15:08,124 --> 00:15:13,695 That means that you have total possession, total control. 274 00:15:13,782 --> 00:15:15,349 They're yours. 275 00:15:15,479 --> 00:15:19,831 Guys like Jeffrey Dahmer are actually consuming 276 00:15:19,919 --> 00:15:22,399 parts of their victims. 277 00:15:22,530 --> 00:15:24,575 So why would you do that? 278 00:15:24,662 --> 00:15:29,798 Because you can possess them forever if you eat them. 279 00:15:31,060 --> 00:15:33,628 So that's really the ultimate possession. 280 00:15:43,464 --> 00:15:45,161 - I was the district attorney for 38 years 281 00:15:45,292 --> 00:15:47,381 and so I've had a lot of experience. 282 00:15:47,468 --> 00:15:49,557 So the necrophilia wasn't that shocking. 283 00:15:49,644 --> 00:15:50,775 Cannibalism, I tell you, 284 00:15:50,862 --> 00:15:52,690 I had not been exposed to very often. 285 00:15:52,777 --> 00:15:55,389 Would you state your name, spell your last name? 286 00:15:55,476 --> 00:15:58,740 - Dennis Murphy, M-U-R-P-H-Y. 287 00:15:58,870 --> 00:16:02,657 I've interviewed Dahmer for 66 to 68 hours, 288 00:16:04,137 --> 00:16:08,184 which resulted in a 168 page confession. 289 00:16:08,315 --> 00:16:11,361 And the first thing he told me is 290 00:16:11,492 --> 00:16:12,972 "You should kill me for what I did." 291 00:16:15,278 --> 00:16:17,150 He then purchased a meat tenderizer 292 00:16:17,237 --> 00:16:18,325 and used it on the bicep. 293 00:16:20,066 --> 00:16:21,632 He stated he would use salt, pepper, 294 00:16:21,719 --> 00:16:24,679 and A1 steak sauce on it. 295 00:16:24,766 --> 00:16:26,986 He stated that it tasted like beef or filet mignon. 296 00:16:34,254 --> 00:16:36,821 [intense music] 297 00:16:36,952 --> 00:16:39,215 - [Reporter] Today at the Jeffrey Dahmer insanity trial, 298 00:16:39,302 --> 00:16:40,825 a detective testified 299 00:16:40,956 --> 00:16:43,785 on how Dahmer told him he would eat some of his victims. 300 00:16:43,872 --> 00:16:45,613 - The reason that he consumed the bicep, 301 00:16:45,700 --> 00:16:47,528 because it was big and he wanted to try it. 302 00:16:49,486 --> 00:16:52,141 During the interrogation with Dahmer, 303 00:16:52,272 --> 00:16:55,536 once I got him to feel more comfortable with me 304 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:01,368 like a buddy, he just kept giving us information. 305 00:17:08,897 --> 00:17:11,204 We asked him about his friends. 306 00:17:11,334 --> 00:17:12,727 He said he'd never had any. 307 00:17:14,163 --> 00:17:16,644 In fact, we checked his phone records. 308 00:17:16,774 --> 00:17:19,299 He never made a personal call in five years. 309 00:17:21,083 --> 00:17:22,911 He stated that he kept the victim's skull, 310 00:17:22,998 --> 00:17:25,479 which he boiled to remove all the skin. 311 00:17:25,609 --> 00:17:28,438 And he kept the scalp with a small ponytail 312 00:17:28,525 --> 00:17:29,396 because he liked it. 313 00:17:30,658 --> 00:17:33,052 I asked him why he did this. 314 00:17:33,139 --> 00:17:37,186 Several times, he told us for his own selfish desire 315 00:17:37,317 --> 00:17:39,406 for self-gratification. 316 00:17:40,798 --> 00:17:43,410 - Nobody can deny Jeffrey Dahmer is a sick person. 317 00:17:45,151 --> 00:17:48,067 He's not psychotic and he's not legally insane. 318 00:17:50,069 --> 00:17:52,027 - Insanity is a legal definition, 319 00:17:52,114 --> 00:17:53,855 it isn't a medical definition. 320 00:17:53,985 --> 00:17:58,338 The insanity defense is a very difficult defense to employ. 321 00:17:58,425 --> 00:18:00,296 It's rare that it's used 322 00:18:00,383 --> 00:18:02,516 and it's even more rare that it's successful. 323 00:18:06,389 --> 00:18:07,434 - [Reporter] Over the weekend, the jury ruled 324 00:18:07,564 --> 00:18:09,218 that Dahmer was sane when he murdered 325 00:18:09,305 --> 00:18:11,525 and dismembered 15 young men. 326 00:18:11,655 --> 00:18:14,789 - Dahmer got a life sentence for each of his victims, 327 00:18:16,269 --> 00:18:21,012 957 years, without the chance of parole. 328 00:18:21,100 --> 00:18:23,493 - [Judge] The sentence is structured in such a way 329 00:18:23,624 --> 00:18:26,975 that this defendant will never again see freedom. 330 00:18:38,856 --> 00:18:41,511 - When Gacy was executed, 331 00:18:41,642 --> 00:18:44,645 there were hundreds of people from all over. 332 00:18:50,825 --> 00:18:53,393 - My mother said she wanted to be the one 333 00:18:53,523 --> 00:18:57,136 to push the button, but she passed away before that. 334 00:18:57,223 --> 00:18:59,268 And I do remember her saying, "You better be there." 335 00:18:59,399 --> 00:19:01,183 I said, "I will be there." 336 00:19:01,270 --> 00:19:02,837 He deserved to die. 337 00:19:04,578 --> 00:19:06,884 - There was no sympathy anywhere, as far as I know, 338 00:19:07,015 --> 00:19:08,669 in the world for Gacy. 339 00:19:10,236 --> 00:19:12,629 - Here we are entering the 21st century 340 00:19:12,716 --> 00:19:15,241 and Bundy and Gacy had been executed, 341 00:19:15,328 --> 00:19:17,852 Dahmer was murdered in prison. 342 00:19:17,939 --> 00:19:20,942 And so all we have left are Rader and Ridgway. 343 00:19:26,556 --> 00:19:30,647 By 2001, Gary Ridgway is still married, 344 00:19:30,778 --> 00:19:34,347 still has a stable job, still living in the community. 345 00:19:34,477 --> 00:19:36,871 And he's murdered 49 women 346 00:19:36,958 --> 00:19:40,048 and evaded law enforcement for 19 years. 347 00:19:45,358 --> 00:19:48,143 - But the investigators were pretty smart 348 00:19:48,274 --> 00:19:51,451 because what they did do was they took a saliva sample 349 00:19:51,581 --> 00:19:54,889 from Gary in 1987. 350 00:19:54,976 --> 00:19:58,414 They were hoping that DNA technology would advance 351 00:19:58,545 --> 00:20:02,070 to a point when they would be able to analyze it. 352 00:20:04,464 --> 00:20:08,816 - In 2001, there was a grant for DNA testing 353 00:20:08,903 --> 00:20:11,384 at the Washington State Patrol crime lab. 354 00:20:11,514 --> 00:20:14,604 They asked us for those cases that are really big cases 355 00:20:14,735 --> 00:20:17,433 that you want us to look at DNA evidence. 356 00:20:17,564 --> 00:20:19,653 - The Green River task force had DNA 357 00:20:19,783 --> 00:20:21,089 for four of the victims, 358 00:20:21,220 --> 00:20:23,744 but they knew there were a lot more. 359 00:20:23,874 --> 00:20:27,313 - So it essentially took 14 years 360 00:20:27,443 --> 00:20:30,533 for our DNA technology to get to the point 361 00:20:30,620 --> 00:20:33,319 where we could then analyze the sample 362 00:20:33,449 --> 00:20:36,409 that Ridgway had provided to the early samples 363 00:20:36,496 --> 00:20:38,585 from his early prostitute homicides. 364 00:20:40,064 --> 00:20:41,544 - [Reporter] The sheriff was in his office 365 00:20:41,631 --> 00:20:44,765 when his lead detective gave him the amazing news. 366 00:20:44,852 --> 00:20:49,160 - The DNA came back positive from four victims, 367 00:20:49,291 --> 00:20:51,728 matching to Gary Ridgway and from nobody else, 368 00:20:51,815 --> 00:20:53,991 unless he had an identical twin. 369 00:20:54,078 --> 00:20:56,646 And so that was really the big break in the case. 370 00:20:56,777 --> 00:20:58,822 - You know, we had 40,000 suspects. 371 00:20:58,909 --> 00:21:00,433 Now we got the guy, see. 372 00:21:02,086 --> 00:21:03,131 - It was pretty amazing, you know, 373 00:21:03,262 --> 00:21:06,003 when the hit came out, it was like whoa. 374 00:21:06,134 --> 00:21:07,614 Just tells you what science can do. 375 00:21:10,356 --> 00:21:12,271 Even though there were only four cases 376 00:21:12,358 --> 00:21:14,403 that could be charged at that time, 377 00:21:14,534 --> 00:21:16,100 you know, we knew what we were dealing with, 378 00:21:16,231 --> 00:21:18,799 which was somebody who had killed upwards of 50 women. 379 00:21:20,844 --> 00:21:24,326 On November 30th, 2001, Gary got up early, 380 00:21:24,413 --> 00:21:26,633 went to work like he normally did. 381 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,156 And then the Sheriff's office served 382 00:21:28,243 --> 00:21:30,158 search warrants at multiple locations 383 00:21:30,245 --> 00:21:32,421 and they take him into custody at Kenworth Truck 384 00:21:32,552 --> 00:21:33,988 as he's walking out after work. 385 00:21:35,903 --> 00:21:37,774 - The investigators connected to the Green River murder case 386 00:21:37,861 --> 00:21:39,950 believe it may finally be solved 387 00:21:40,037 --> 00:21:41,865 with the arrest of Gary Ridgway. 388 00:21:41,952 --> 00:21:43,127 - Well, at that point, 389 00:21:43,214 --> 00:21:46,870 you have him for four of the homicides, 390 00:21:47,001 --> 00:21:48,089 but we certainly don't have anything 391 00:21:48,219 --> 00:21:50,309 to connect him for the rest. 392 00:21:50,439 --> 00:21:51,962 According to his defense attorneys, 393 00:21:52,093 --> 00:21:54,530 they did feel very comfortable that they can beat DNA 394 00:21:54,661 --> 00:21:56,924 because Gary Ridgway had always said, 395 00:21:57,011 --> 00:21:58,578 "I'm addicted to prostitutes. 396 00:21:58,708 --> 00:22:00,667 "So yeah, my DNA could have been in them." 397 00:22:02,451 --> 00:22:04,105 But they had told him 398 00:22:04,235 --> 00:22:08,849 if any other forensic evidence comes to light, you're done. 399 00:22:10,677 --> 00:22:12,287 - So the hunt was on for law enforcement 400 00:22:12,418 --> 00:22:14,507 to re-examine all of the forensic evidence 401 00:22:14,637 --> 00:22:16,030 that they didn't have the technology 402 00:22:16,117 --> 00:22:17,205 to process the first time. 403 00:22:18,424 --> 00:22:20,469 And this time they had it 404 00:22:20,556 --> 00:22:21,818 and in law enforcement was not about 405 00:22:21,949 --> 00:22:23,124 to let him slip away again. 406 00:22:29,435 --> 00:22:31,654 [dark music] 407 00:22:31,741 --> 00:22:33,656 - Gary Ridgway was charged with four murders 408 00:22:33,787 --> 00:22:36,267 when he was initially arrested. 409 00:22:36,355 --> 00:22:41,098 And then began a process of analyzing all of the other cases 410 00:22:42,056 --> 00:22:45,581 we could apply modern day forensic technology to evidence 411 00:22:45,712 --> 00:22:47,540 that had been gathered back in the 80s. 412 00:22:49,106 --> 00:22:51,761 - We're now looking at microscopic evidence 413 00:22:51,892 --> 00:22:53,546 that in the past had not been looked at. 414 00:22:56,026 --> 00:23:00,335 - The first of Ridgway's victims was found in July of 1982. 415 00:23:00,422 --> 00:23:04,121 The ligature that was used on Wendy Coffield was her pants. 416 00:23:04,208 --> 00:23:06,297 And they had been wrapped tightly 417 00:23:06,385 --> 00:23:09,170 and kind of knotted around her neck. 418 00:23:09,257 --> 00:23:11,912 That pair of pants was examined 419 00:23:11,999 --> 00:23:15,263 and they were able to find microscopic paint spheres. 420 00:23:17,221 --> 00:23:18,919 - Now, remember where Ridgway worked. 421 00:23:20,660 --> 00:23:24,490 He worked at Kenworth Painting as a taper and a painter. 422 00:23:24,577 --> 00:23:27,754 Micro trace comes back and they're able to definitively say 423 00:23:27,841 --> 00:23:31,845 that the microscopic paint evidence found on the ligatures 424 00:23:31,932 --> 00:23:35,936 associated with Gary Ridgway's locker are the same paint. 425 00:23:38,547 --> 00:23:40,723 - To be able to analyze those little tiny spheres 426 00:23:40,810 --> 00:23:42,682 and determine what type of paint they were 427 00:23:42,769 --> 00:23:45,641 and that they were such a unique type of paint was really, 428 00:23:45,728 --> 00:23:48,122 you know, a pretty remarkable forensic finding. 429 00:23:49,253 --> 00:23:51,604 - And so that physical evidence, 430 00:23:51,734 --> 00:23:54,302 that would never have even been possible back in the 80s. 431 00:23:55,738 --> 00:23:56,783 Science has caught up. 432 00:23:58,393 --> 00:24:01,091 - And as a result of that process, 433 00:24:01,178 --> 00:24:03,877 we were eventually able to make a match 434 00:24:03,964 --> 00:24:05,922 to three additional victims. 435 00:24:06,009 --> 00:24:08,751 So he stood accused of seven murders 436 00:24:08,882 --> 00:24:11,145 and a potential for the death penalty being sought. 437 00:24:14,888 --> 00:24:16,803 What became very clear to us is 438 00:24:16,933 --> 00:24:20,415 that while we clearly would be able to convict Ridgway, 439 00:24:20,502 --> 00:24:22,591 and in my estimation, 440 00:24:22,678 --> 00:24:25,028 a jury was likely to sentence him to death, 441 00:24:25,115 --> 00:24:28,162 there were still many, many, many unanswered questions. 442 00:24:29,598 --> 00:24:33,254 We had more than 40 women still on the list 443 00:24:33,341 --> 00:24:35,648 that we didn't have definitive answers for. 444 00:24:38,694 --> 00:24:40,870 - We were told that the defense team wanted 445 00:24:40,957 --> 00:24:42,959 to enter into a plea negotiation. 446 00:24:43,046 --> 00:24:45,179 Ridgway, in exchange for his life, 447 00:24:45,266 --> 00:24:47,660 would talk to us about these homicides. 448 00:24:49,836 --> 00:24:52,012 - Where the FBI was instrumental for us was 449 00:24:52,142 --> 00:24:54,580 loaning us Mary Ellen O'Toole. 450 00:24:54,667 --> 00:24:56,756 She played a very important part 451 00:24:56,886 --> 00:25:00,324 in kind of breaking through the initial reluctance 452 00:25:00,411 --> 00:25:02,805 of Ridgway to really acknowledge who he was 453 00:25:02,892 --> 00:25:05,286 and why he acted the way he did. 454 00:25:05,373 --> 00:25:07,462 - Mr. Ridgway, I'm still trying to get a sense 455 00:25:07,593 --> 00:25:12,206 of just how effective a serial killer that you were, 456 00:25:13,294 --> 00:25:13,860 how good at what you were. 457 00:25:14,948 --> 00:25:17,124 When an offender is identified, 458 00:25:17,254 --> 00:25:19,213 what you want to do in an interview is be able 459 00:25:19,343 --> 00:25:21,084 to corroborate what happened. 460 00:25:21,215 --> 00:25:23,826 How do you approach a Gary Ridgway? 461 00:25:23,913 --> 00:25:26,873 Not the same way that you would approach maybe a Ted Bundy, 462 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,790 not the same way maybe that you would approach a BTK. 463 00:25:30,877 --> 00:25:34,097 - I want to be the best serial killer out there and kill... 464 00:25:34,184 --> 00:25:35,838 I want 100 this year. 465 00:25:35,925 --> 00:25:38,798 - Gary Ridgway had a competitive streak 466 00:25:38,885 --> 00:25:42,889 when it came to comparing himself to other serial killers. 467 00:25:43,019 --> 00:25:44,934 Thought he was better than Ted Bundy. 468 00:25:45,021 --> 00:25:47,023 He wanted to be recognized 469 00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:50,287 for his successes as a serial killer. 470 00:25:50,374 --> 00:25:53,073 So clearly, I appealed to his ego. 471 00:25:54,553 --> 00:25:55,989 - The one thing he could tell us is 472 00:25:56,076 --> 00:25:57,730 where he had left bodies. 473 00:25:57,817 --> 00:26:00,428 We began taking him out on what we called field trips. 474 00:26:01,821 --> 00:26:04,258 - Okay, it would have been back there. 475 00:26:04,345 --> 00:26:07,304 - We spent hours and hours 476 00:26:07,435 --> 00:26:10,046 with him out at different locations 477 00:26:10,133 --> 00:26:14,311 where he would try to pinpoint as closely as he could 478 00:26:14,398 --> 00:26:17,053 where he thought he had left a body. 479 00:26:17,140 --> 00:26:20,579 - That's where the guardrail, at the end of the guardrail. 480 00:26:20,666 --> 00:26:22,581 You want to, on the left-hand side. 481 00:26:24,321 --> 00:26:25,975 - And finally we recovered four sets of remains 482 00:26:26,062 --> 00:26:26,759 by doing that. 483 00:26:28,761 --> 00:26:33,287 We had Gary Ridgway in our office with us for 188 days, 484 00:26:33,417 --> 00:26:35,376 living with him for 24-seven, 485 00:26:35,463 --> 00:26:38,205 trying to get this accomplished 486 00:26:38,292 --> 00:26:42,949 because our victims were real, living, breathing young women 487 00:26:44,515 --> 00:26:46,387 who had families. 488 00:26:46,517 --> 00:26:51,392 And yes, many of them were involved in prostitution, 489 00:26:52,088 --> 00:26:54,351 but I think it's important that people understand 490 00:26:54,438 --> 00:26:56,484 that they were human beings and that they were valued. 491 00:26:58,225 --> 00:27:00,096 - [Judge] Mr. Ridgway, I'm going to ask you at this time, 492 00:27:00,227 --> 00:27:02,098 how do you plead to the charge? 493 00:27:02,185 --> 00:27:03,012 - Guilty. 494 00:27:03,099 --> 00:27:05,188 - In December of 2003, 495 00:27:05,275 --> 00:27:09,497 in return for Ridgway cooperating with investigators, 496 00:27:09,584 --> 00:27:12,892 he was permitted to plead guilty to 48 murders 497 00:27:12,979 --> 00:27:15,982 and avoid facing the death penalty. 498 00:27:16,112 --> 00:27:18,114 - [Judge] The death of Gisele Lovvorn. 499 00:27:18,201 --> 00:27:19,594 - Guilty. 500 00:27:19,725 --> 00:27:21,640 - [Judge] For the death of Sandra Kay Gabbert. 501 00:27:21,727 --> 00:27:22,510 - Guilty. 502 00:27:24,207 --> 00:27:27,950 - I feel so bad for the women that have passed away 503 00:27:28,037 --> 00:27:31,345 and the families that they left behind. 504 00:27:31,432 --> 00:27:33,173 It broke my heart. 505 00:27:33,303 --> 00:27:36,002 There never will be any justice. 506 00:27:38,352 --> 00:27:41,007 The day he passes is going to be justice. 507 00:28:04,204 --> 00:28:08,861 - By 2004, Bundy, Gacy, Dahmer, 508 00:28:08,991 --> 00:28:11,907 and Ridgway have all been held accountable for their crimes. 509 00:28:11,994 --> 00:28:13,604 And Rader might've been able to get away with it 510 00:28:13,735 --> 00:28:15,258 for the rest of his life 511 00:28:15,345 --> 00:28:17,565 had he not let his massive ego get in the way. 512 00:28:20,002 --> 00:28:24,877 - From 1982 till 2004, 513 00:28:25,921 --> 00:28:30,186 no one thought of BTK at all. 514 00:28:30,317 --> 00:28:33,363 He was just gone, gone. 515 00:28:33,450 --> 00:28:37,933 And after he committed the 1991 Dolores Davis murder, 516 00:28:38,064 --> 00:28:41,284 no one had connected the murders and 517 00:28:41,371 --> 00:28:42,808 he just disappeared. 518 00:28:43,765 --> 00:28:47,377 - Dennis Rader was president of his church. 519 00:28:47,464 --> 00:28:51,425 He was a compliance officer for the city of Park City. 520 00:28:51,555 --> 00:28:52,948 - We've been tracking it down. 521 00:28:53,035 --> 00:28:55,342 The dogs are somewhat territorial, as well as vicious. 522 00:28:55,429 --> 00:28:58,693 - He was living a normal life. 523 00:28:58,780 --> 00:29:00,260 - [Announcer] This is KAKE News. 524 00:29:01,478 --> 00:29:03,089 - [Reporter] 30 years ago today, 525 00:29:03,176 --> 00:29:06,570 15 year old Charlie Otero comes home from school 526 00:29:06,657 --> 00:29:08,442 to find his entire family murdered 527 00:29:08,572 --> 00:29:10,270 in this house on North Edgemore. 528 00:29:10,357 --> 00:29:11,880 And so begins 529 00:29:12,011 --> 00:29:14,317 the most infamous unsolved serial killing spree 530 00:29:14,404 --> 00:29:16,537 in Wichita history. 531 00:29:16,624 --> 00:29:17,973 - The media was doing stories 532 00:29:18,060 --> 00:29:22,673 on the 30th anniversary of BTK's first murder. 533 00:29:22,804 --> 00:29:24,197 - [Reporter] The last known correspondence 534 00:29:24,284 --> 00:29:26,982 from the killer coming in 1979. 535 00:29:27,069 --> 00:29:29,855 - And then in the Wichita newspaper, 536 00:29:29,942 --> 00:29:33,249 it came out that there was an author doing a book, 537 00:29:33,336 --> 00:29:33,946 writing a book. 538 00:29:37,645 --> 00:29:41,518 BTK did not like that at all. 539 00:29:41,649 --> 00:29:42,998 He did not like 540 00:29:43,085 --> 00:29:48,264 that there was someone else writing his story. 541 00:29:48,351 --> 00:29:51,746 There was someone else getting publicity 542 00:29:51,833 --> 00:29:55,968 for the murders that he wanted credit for. 543 00:29:58,448 --> 00:30:00,015 - That was a turning point 544 00:30:00,102 --> 00:30:02,670 for him to begin communicating again. 545 00:30:06,848 --> 00:30:09,720 - He sent a letter to the Wichita Eagle. 546 00:30:09,808 --> 00:30:13,986 "Hey, I'm still around. 547 00:30:14,073 --> 00:30:17,163 "Here's pictures of one of my last murders." 548 00:30:18,947 --> 00:30:21,907 You can imagine how people at the Wichita newspaper 549 00:30:21,994 --> 00:30:24,997 were like "What the hell? 550 00:30:27,173 --> 00:30:31,830 "This guy exists in our community still?" 551 00:30:32,831 --> 00:30:34,180 They didn't believe it. 552 00:30:40,316 --> 00:30:42,753 [dark music] 553 00:30:42,884 --> 00:30:45,452 - [Reporter] The serial killer apparently has resurfaced. 554 00:30:45,582 --> 00:30:49,021 - Called BTK, short for bind, torture, kill. 555 00:30:49,151 --> 00:30:51,632 - Breaking his silence after 25 years. 556 00:30:51,762 --> 00:30:54,983 - Wichita Police Department on Friday received information 557 00:30:55,114 --> 00:30:59,727 from Wichita Eagle, received a letter in the mail. 558 00:31:00,510 --> 00:31:02,251 We have been able to 559 00:31:02,382 --> 00:31:05,864 verify this communique most likely came from BTK. 560 00:31:11,130 --> 00:31:16,178 - He loved catch me if you can, catch me if you can. 561 00:31:16,265 --> 00:31:18,746 I'm going to taunt you till the day I die. 562 00:31:20,269 --> 00:31:22,793 - In 2004, Dennis Rader begins 563 00:31:22,924 --> 00:31:24,665 to leave these elaborate packages. 564 00:31:27,929 --> 00:31:29,496 In one instance, 565 00:31:29,583 --> 00:31:36,111 he left a cereal box at Home Depot in the bed of a truck. 566 00:31:37,547 --> 00:31:41,334 And remember, when Dennis Rader started killing in 1974, 567 00:31:41,464 --> 00:31:44,032 there weren't video cameras in every parking lot. 568 00:31:44,119 --> 00:31:48,863 But by 2004, video surveillance cameras became the norms. 569 00:31:49,951 --> 00:31:51,170 And so they were actually able 570 00:31:51,300 --> 00:31:54,216 to get his black Jeep Cherokee on camera. 571 00:31:57,306 --> 00:31:58,829 - Very grainy. 572 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,614 You wouldn't be able to identify anybody, 573 00:32:02,094 --> 00:32:04,748 but Relph took one look at that film and said, 574 00:32:04,835 --> 00:32:07,055 "That's a Jeep Cherokee." 575 00:32:07,142 --> 00:32:09,362 - Now that's, trust me, in Kansas, 576 00:32:09,449 --> 00:32:11,799 that's not exactly whittling things down, 577 00:32:11,930 --> 00:32:14,845 but it's still something about him that you know 578 00:32:14,976 --> 00:32:16,456 that he doesn't. 579 00:32:16,543 --> 00:32:19,285 That's very powerful in the hands of investigators. 580 00:32:19,372 --> 00:32:22,375 We knew far more about him in just a couple of months 581 00:32:22,462 --> 00:32:26,596 than we knew in the first 28 years of this investigation. 582 00:32:26,683 --> 00:32:29,730 The technology had allowed us to move quite a bit forward. 583 00:32:32,124 --> 00:32:34,909 - In the package left at Home Depot, 584 00:32:34,996 --> 00:32:39,044 he asks about whether or not a floppy disc can be traced. 585 00:32:41,394 --> 00:32:43,570 - And he wrote it on a... 586 00:32:43,700 --> 00:32:44,484 He even wrote it. 587 00:32:44,614 --> 00:32:46,051 "Be honest." 588 00:32:46,138 --> 00:32:47,748 This guy thought we were enjoying things 589 00:32:47,878 --> 00:32:48,705 as much as he was, 590 00:32:48,792 --> 00:32:50,185 that we wouldn't lie to him 591 00:32:50,316 --> 00:32:52,535 because God, we don't want this fun [beep] to stop. 592 00:32:52,666 --> 00:32:55,886 - Well, law enforcement was not honest. 593 00:32:55,974 --> 00:32:59,325 - They say, "No, it cannot be traced." 594 00:32:59,455 --> 00:33:03,938 Once he got that assurance, he sends a disk to a TV station. 595 00:33:04,895 --> 00:33:06,549 - A couple of days later, 596 00:33:06,636 --> 00:33:10,727 Fox affiliate says, "We've got a floppy disc from BTK." 597 00:33:10,858 --> 00:33:12,686 Raced it down to the police station. 598 00:33:15,254 --> 00:33:17,908 - There's one file on that disc 599 00:33:17,996 --> 00:33:20,737 and it's simply labeled, "This is a test." 600 00:33:20,824 --> 00:33:22,348 That's all it says. 601 00:33:22,435 --> 00:33:25,612 But embedded in there then is Dennis 602 00:33:26,656 --> 00:33:28,006 and Christ Lutheran Church. 603 00:33:30,269 --> 00:33:33,272 - And four or five people are on different search engines, 604 00:33:33,402 --> 00:33:35,926 just trying to put stuff together as quick as we can. 605 00:33:36,057 --> 00:33:37,885 Immediately, the congregation leader, 606 00:33:38,016 --> 00:33:39,713 Christ Lutheran Church, is Dennis Rader. 607 00:33:42,585 --> 00:33:43,891 - I still to this day, 608 00:33:44,022 --> 00:33:45,762 when I talk about it or think about it, 609 00:33:45,893 --> 00:33:48,635 you still get goosebumps 610 00:33:48,722 --> 00:33:51,464 because that's him, that's BTK. 611 00:33:51,551 --> 00:33:53,161 And after all of this time, 612 00:33:53,248 --> 00:33:57,296 after 30 years of trying to find this killer, 613 00:33:57,383 --> 00:34:00,386 there he is in that picture. 614 00:34:03,650 --> 00:34:05,826 - So we go flying off toward Park City. 615 00:34:07,175 --> 00:34:09,917 And as we go by the house, 616 00:34:10,004 --> 00:34:11,832 we see that Jeep Cherokee in the driveway. 617 00:34:13,877 --> 00:34:14,661 We got him. 618 00:34:17,229 --> 00:34:20,971 - But they still don't have enough information 619 00:34:21,102 --> 00:34:24,279 to link Rader to the early homicides. 620 00:34:24,410 --> 00:34:25,498 So what do they do? 621 00:34:27,021 --> 00:34:29,241 - We did have, at that time, 622 00:34:29,328 --> 00:34:34,246 a comparison of crime scenes where DNA was collected. 623 00:34:34,376 --> 00:34:38,163 You had semen that was at the feet of Josephine Otero. 624 00:34:39,903 --> 00:34:43,777 You had semen that was in a bathrobe, Nancy Fox. 625 00:34:45,561 --> 00:34:48,869 - We wanted to get Rader's DNA without him knowing it. 626 00:34:51,001 --> 00:34:52,829 - They found out BTK's daughter had attended 627 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,267 Kansas State University. 628 00:34:55,397 --> 00:34:59,967 Sure enough, health services there had a pap smear from her. 629 00:35:00,054 --> 00:35:01,360 They got a search warrant. 630 00:35:02,752 --> 00:35:04,798 - Well, we got her sample that was used 631 00:35:04,928 --> 00:35:06,365 in reverse paternity to show 632 00:35:06,452 --> 00:35:11,196 that this girl is a child of this genetic profile 633 00:35:11,935 --> 00:35:12,414 that is BTK. 634 00:35:13,894 --> 00:35:15,591 So there was no one else in the world 635 00:35:15,678 --> 00:35:18,246 that could be BTK at that point. 636 00:35:18,377 --> 00:35:21,162 - So it was when we got those results back, 637 00:35:21,249 --> 00:35:23,512 we felt that we had sufficient probable cause 638 00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:24,644 to make an arrest. 639 00:35:26,167 --> 00:35:28,343 - I called the mother of Nancy Fox 640 00:35:28,474 --> 00:35:30,737 the night before we went after him. 641 00:35:30,867 --> 00:35:32,391 Very few people get to make that phone call, 642 00:35:32,478 --> 00:35:33,696 but I called her and I said, 643 00:35:33,827 --> 00:35:34,958 "Tomorrow, we're going to go get that guy 644 00:35:35,045 --> 00:35:36,917 "that killed your little girl 27 years ago." 645 00:35:43,358 --> 00:35:46,318 [ominus music] 646 00:35:46,448 --> 00:35:49,495 - We pulled up about a block away from Dennis Rader's house. 647 00:35:51,584 --> 00:35:54,326 Once he came down the street, you know, 648 00:35:54,456 --> 00:35:55,849 it was just this avalanche of cars. 649 00:35:57,938 --> 00:36:00,506 They had him on the ground and handcuffed him. 650 00:36:00,636 --> 00:36:01,768 We were in and out of there. 651 00:36:03,248 --> 00:36:04,858 - [Announcer] This is KAKE News at six. 652 00:36:04,945 --> 00:36:06,599 - A quarter century search 653 00:36:06,729 --> 00:36:10,385 for Wichita's worst serial killer is over. 654 00:36:10,516 --> 00:36:14,172 The BTK murder mystery may be nearing an end. 655 00:36:14,259 --> 00:36:17,392 - The man they call the BTK strangler is in custody. 656 00:36:17,523 --> 00:36:21,135 - Dennis Rader, 59 and a white male. 657 00:36:22,223 --> 00:36:24,443 - When I saw a picture of Rader, 658 00:36:24,573 --> 00:36:28,925 he just didn't seem to be anything but a weakling. 659 00:36:29,056 --> 00:36:30,449 I wanted revenge. 660 00:36:30,536 --> 00:36:31,885 I wanted revenge for my family. 661 00:36:33,234 --> 00:36:34,627 That's all I could think about. 662 00:36:37,847 --> 00:36:40,415 - The interrogation started with Kenny Landwehr 663 00:36:40,546 --> 00:36:42,722 and a guy named Bob Morton with the FBI. 664 00:36:44,593 --> 00:36:47,466 - Lieutenant Landwehr will take out a floppy disk. 665 00:36:47,553 --> 00:36:50,991 And he says, "When did you send us this?" 666 00:36:51,121 --> 00:36:52,558 Dennis Rader says. 667 00:37:00,087 --> 00:37:01,088 - Rader's coming to terms with the fact 668 00:37:01,219 --> 00:37:03,482 that law enforcement lied to him. 669 00:37:03,612 --> 00:37:05,658 It was a reality check in where he realized, 670 00:37:05,788 --> 00:37:07,747 well, maybe I didn't outsmart than this time. 671 00:37:23,241 --> 00:37:26,374 - The man accused of being the BTK serial killer returns 672 00:37:26,461 --> 00:37:28,376 to a Kansas courtroom this morning. 673 00:37:28,507 --> 00:37:31,379 Families torn apart by the BTK killings will be able 674 00:37:31,466 --> 00:37:34,687 to look someone in the eye and possibly hear the evidence 675 00:37:34,817 --> 00:37:37,342 linking 60 year old Dennis Rader to the killing spree. 676 00:37:38,778 --> 00:37:40,606 - Constitutions of the United States 677 00:37:40,736 --> 00:37:44,174 and the state of Kansas provide that a person charged 678 00:37:44,262 --> 00:37:47,003 with a criminal case is entitled 679 00:37:47,134 --> 00:37:50,355 to have a jury of 12 persons, 12 of his peers. 680 00:37:51,443 --> 00:37:52,705 - He wanted to see me. 681 00:37:52,835 --> 00:37:55,708 He asked them if I could come down and visit him. 682 00:37:55,795 --> 00:37:59,538 I would see him at least twice a week at the county jail. 683 00:37:59,668 --> 00:38:02,889 Eventually, our conversation came around the issue 684 00:38:02,976 --> 00:38:07,241 of whether or not he should plead guilty or go to trial. 685 00:38:07,372 --> 00:38:09,112 I said to Dennis, 686 00:38:09,243 --> 00:38:11,158 "You have already admitted the crimes that you've committed. 687 00:38:11,289 --> 00:38:14,509 "What good will it do to go to trial?" 688 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,816 I says, "It will keep this community uproar. 689 00:38:16,946 --> 00:38:18,513 "The church will be in uproar. 690 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,516 "Your family will be just totally in an uproar." 691 00:38:21,647 --> 00:38:25,303 I says, "What good will it serve to do that 692 00:38:25,390 --> 00:38:27,653 "if you already admitted your guilt?" 693 00:38:28,828 --> 00:38:30,351 - [Judge] All right, Mr. Rader, 694 00:38:30,438 --> 00:38:33,223 at this time, how do you plead to these 10 counts? 695 00:38:33,354 --> 00:38:34,094 - Guilty. 696 00:38:36,836 --> 00:38:38,141 - Mr. Rader, do you desire to say anything 697 00:38:38,272 --> 00:38:41,623 on your own behalf in mitigation of the punishment? 698 00:38:41,710 --> 00:38:44,147 - Your honor, Sedgwick County, 699 00:38:44,234 --> 00:38:46,846 the victims throughout the community, 700 00:38:49,196 --> 00:38:51,590 my family, the victims, dishonor. 701 00:38:53,722 --> 00:38:54,941 Dishonesty to my family. 702 00:38:57,073 --> 00:38:58,945 - His wife, Paula, definitely was the victim. 703 00:38:59,075 --> 00:39:02,644 She had no idea what was going on in all those years. 704 00:39:02,731 --> 00:39:04,429 None whatsoever. 705 00:39:04,516 --> 00:39:07,083 - Paula Rader never has talked 706 00:39:07,214 --> 00:39:11,044 or communicated with him ever, ever again. 707 00:39:12,001 --> 00:39:13,742 And she got an emergency divorce, 708 00:39:13,829 --> 00:39:17,267 I think like three weeks later or a month later. 709 00:39:17,355 --> 00:39:20,314 - [Judge] We will now proceed to sentencing you, 710 00:39:20,401 --> 00:39:22,838 Dennis L. Rader, to serve a term of life 711 00:39:22,925 --> 00:39:24,753 for each one of these counts. 712 00:39:24,884 --> 00:39:26,581 Those sentences that are run consecutively 713 00:39:26,668 --> 00:39:27,713 one after the other. 714 00:39:28,844 --> 00:39:30,716 - I believe most women 715 00:39:30,803 --> 00:39:33,283 in Wichita were very emotional that day 716 00:39:33,371 --> 00:39:36,243 because we really didn't believe it would never happen again 717 00:39:36,330 --> 00:39:38,376 until we saw those prison doors close. 718 00:39:39,855 --> 00:39:42,641 And you're like, we're finally safe. 719 00:39:42,728 --> 00:39:43,555 We're finally safe. 720 00:39:47,385 --> 00:39:48,908 - I'm not going to have my mom back. 721 00:39:50,388 --> 00:39:52,259 And the hurt's going to be with me till I die. 722 00:39:53,739 --> 00:39:56,916 But the fact that he got called out for what he was 723 00:39:57,046 --> 00:39:59,701 and the whole world sees him 724 00:39:59,788 --> 00:40:05,838 for the insignificant little piece of garbage that he is, 725 00:40:06,621 --> 00:40:09,102 makes me smile on a good day, I think about that, you know. 726 00:40:12,322 --> 00:40:15,369 - Very few people get to slay their childhood dragons. 727 00:40:15,456 --> 00:40:16,805 Back in the 70s, 728 00:40:16,936 --> 00:40:19,634 he was a seven foot tall fire-breathing dragon. 729 00:40:19,765 --> 00:40:23,464 And then to grow up and to get in this job, 730 00:40:23,595 --> 00:40:25,597 and then for him to poke his head up 731 00:40:25,727 --> 00:40:27,947 and to think you're going to get your chance to play, 732 00:40:28,077 --> 00:40:29,427 to be a witness to history. 733 00:40:39,741 --> 00:40:42,352 - For the people in Wichita, it was a terrible time, 734 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:43,397 but we got through it. 735 00:40:45,181 --> 00:40:48,446 I hope people can figure out what caused him to kill. 736 00:40:48,576 --> 00:40:52,058 'Cause we still don't know, why did Dennis Rader kill? 737 00:40:52,188 --> 00:40:54,408 What caused him to be the monster he became? 738 00:40:58,020 --> 00:41:01,110 - It may be impossible to understand exactly why each 739 00:41:01,197 --> 00:41:03,373 of these five men became serial killers. 740 00:41:03,504 --> 00:41:05,027 As we move forward 741 00:41:05,158 --> 00:41:07,682 with advancements in forensic psychology, 742 00:41:07,769 --> 00:41:10,424 we may understand the risk factors 743 00:41:10,511 --> 00:41:12,992 for this type of extreme violence 744 00:41:13,122 --> 00:41:15,603 and may be able to intervene 745 00:41:15,734 --> 00:41:20,608 before they turn into serial killers like these five. 746 00:41:21,130 --> 00:41:23,089 - Well, I think this is really the interesting dynamic 747 00:41:23,176 --> 00:41:25,221 about this golden age of serial killers. 748 00:41:25,352 --> 00:41:29,748 These five men were so prolific for so long. 749 00:41:29,835 --> 00:41:33,665 This is when law enforcement really started 750 00:41:33,795 --> 00:41:35,884 to make all kinds of strides. 751 00:41:36,015 --> 00:41:38,757 It was because of these individuals. 752 00:41:38,844 --> 00:41:41,107 We really significantly improved 753 00:41:41,194 --> 00:41:45,633 our communication capabilities, developing task forces, 754 00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:48,418 national crime information databases, 755 00:41:48,506 --> 00:41:52,684 automated fingerprint systems, DNA databases. 756 00:41:52,771 --> 00:41:55,425 All of that started to catch up with these killers 757 00:41:55,556 --> 00:41:57,558 who'd actually been leaving lots of evidence, 758 00:41:57,689 --> 00:42:00,822 we just hadn't been able to analyze it. 759 00:42:00,909 --> 00:42:03,085 They were really the catalyst 760 00:42:03,216 --> 00:42:05,958 for so much that happened in law enforcement 761 00:42:06,045 --> 00:42:08,787 that allowed us to actually apprehend them. 762 00:42:11,093 --> 00:42:15,620 - Now in an age of 24 hour news cycle and social media 763 00:42:15,707 --> 00:42:20,146 and the access we have to information as a society, 764 00:42:20,276 --> 00:42:24,498 serial killing would be a much more difficult endeavor. 765 00:42:24,629 --> 00:42:27,414 - You know, everybody says closure for the families. 766 00:42:27,545 --> 00:42:29,242 There's no such thing as closure. 767 00:42:29,329 --> 00:42:31,636 Yes, they do have answers. 768 00:42:31,723 --> 00:42:35,117 But to have someone that you love taken from you violently, 769 00:42:35,204 --> 00:42:36,684 there's no closure. 770 00:42:36,771 --> 00:42:40,209 - Susan Elaine Rancourt, 18 years old. 771 00:42:40,340 --> 00:42:42,821 - Julia Maria Burgos Otero. 772 00:42:42,908 --> 00:42:44,649 - Michael Moreno, 14 years old. 773 00:42:44,779 --> 00:42:47,477 - Darrell Samson, 19. 774 00:42:47,565 --> 00:42:49,523 - [Woman] Every one of these victims mattered. 775 00:42:49,610 --> 00:42:51,133 Everyone counted. 776 00:42:51,220 --> 00:42:52,700 Everyone was loved. 777 00:42:52,831 --> 00:42:54,441 Everyone was missed. 778 00:42:54,572 --> 00:42:56,138 Everyone deserves to be remembered. 779 00:42:56,225 --> 00:42:59,185 [overlapping voices] 61645

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