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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,132 --> 00:00:04,526 [slow dramatic music] 2 00:00:05,831 --> 00:00:07,485 [rain pattering] 3 00:00:07,572 --> 00:00:10,010 - It was a really bad rainy day. 4 00:00:11,533 --> 00:00:13,491 I decided to hitchhike. 5 00:00:15,319 --> 00:00:18,453 I thought that he was just a normal man. 6 00:00:20,368 --> 00:00:24,763 He showed me his ID and I was just thinking, 7 00:00:24,850 --> 00:00:28,028 "I'm going to get home and everything's going to be fine." 8 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,207 Little did I know it was going to be my worst nightmare. 9 00:00:33,250 --> 00:00:36,036 [dramatic music] 10 00:00:39,865 --> 00:00:42,607 [dramatic music] 11 00:00:42,651 --> 00:00:44,957 - [Man] Five of the most prolific serial killers 12 00:00:45,001 --> 00:00:49,092 in American history were all operating at the same time. 13 00:00:49,136 --> 00:00:50,528 - [Reporter 1] John Wayne Gacy- 14 00:00:50,615 --> 00:00:51,442 - [Reporter 2] Ted Bundy- 15 00:00:51,486 --> 00:00:52,226 - [Reporter 3] BTK. 16 00:00:52,269 --> 00:00:53,444 - [Reporter 4] Jeffrey Dahmer- 17 00:00:53,531 --> 00:00:54,880 - [Reporter 5] The so-called Green River Killer. 18 00:00:54,967 --> 00:00:57,492 - [Man] This was the golden age of serial killing. 19 00:01:15,162 --> 00:01:16,380 - I mean, if you kill 30-some people 20 00:01:16,467 --> 00:01:18,034 and you never got caught, you begin to think 21 00:01:18,121 --> 00:01:19,514 you're never gonna get caught. 22 00:01:19,557 --> 00:01:22,734 But the biggest mistake John Gacy made was Robert Piest. 23 00:01:22,821 --> 00:01:24,388 That was the beginning of the end. 24 00:01:24,475 --> 00:01:25,824 - [Reporter] Officers armed with warrants 25 00:01:25,868 --> 00:01:28,610 began searching the premises for the bodies of young men 26 00:01:28,697 --> 00:01:31,091 believed to have been killed and buried there. 27 00:01:33,876 --> 00:01:36,270 - Gary Ridgway worked for 30-plus years 28 00:01:36,357 --> 00:01:38,620 at the Kenworth plant in Seattle, 29 00:01:38,707 --> 00:01:40,187 and he was a truck painter. 30 00:01:40,274 --> 00:01:42,406 - You could sit next to him on a bus, or a train, 31 00:01:42,493 --> 00:01:44,843 or a plane, you would never associate him 32 00:01:44,930 --> 00:01:47,933 with being one of the worst serial killers in US history. 33 00:01:50,022 --> 00:01:52,764 - Dahmer picks up this young boy. 34 00:01:52,851 --> 00:01:55,550 They engage in some sexual activity. 35 00:01:55,637 --> 00:01:59,641 Steven Hicks decides, "It's time for me to leave." 36 00:01:59,728 --> 00:02:01,773 But Dahmer doesn't want him to leave. 37 00:02:01,860 --> 00:02:03,601 And the only way that he could figure out 38 00:02:03,688 --> 00:02:06,430 how to do this was to basically kill him. 39 00:02:08,432 --> 00:02:10,695 - [Reporter] BTK began today's letter with a question, 40 00:02:10,739 --> 00:02:13,089 "How many do I have to kill before I get my name 41 00:02:13,176 --> 00:02:15,222 in the paper or some national attention?" 42 00:02:15,265 --> 00:02:18,529 - Dennis Rader apparently wants more attention, 43 00:02:18,616 --> 00:02:21,489 or just as much attention, as Ted Bundy. 44 00:02:21,576 --> 00:02:23,360 - Once the police department announced 45 00:02:23,404 --> 00:02:25,319 that there was a guy called BTK 46 00:02:25,406 --> 00:02:26,929 and he was now a serial killer, 47 00:02:27,016 --> 00:02:29,497 Wichita grew up a little bit. 48 00:02:32,369 --> 00:02:35,198 - All of law enforcement started putting things together, 49 00:02:35,285 --> 00:02:38,680 and it wasn't long before Ted was tied 50 00:02:38,767 --> 00:02:40,638 to the cases in Chi Omega. 51 00:02:41,987 --> 00:02:45,165 - On the way to jail Bundy said, "I wish you had killed me." 52 00:02:48,255 --> 00:02:51,562 [slow dramatic music] 53 00:02:52,563 --> 00:02:54,957 - At the time when we charged Ted Bundy 54 00:02:55,044 --> 00:02:56,959 for the Chi Omega murders 55 00:02:57,046 --> 00:03:00,876 he was already convicted and sentenced in Utah. 56 00:03:00,963 --> 00:03:04,836 And he was under investigation in Colorado 57 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:06,534 for an associated murder 58 00:03:06,621 --> 00:03:09,841 for which there wasn't hard evidence. 59 00:03:09,928 --> 00:03:14,106 But I knew now, for the first time in Bundy's history, 60 00:03:14,194 --> 00:03:19,460 we had some real good scientific forensic physical evidence. 61 00:03:22,202 --> 00:03:24,856 [upbeat music] 62 00:03:27,294 --> 00:03:31,298 - Keep your pieces short so that we can all get on the air. 63 00:03:31,385 --> 00:03:32,603 - Smile, Ted. 64 00:03:32,690 --> 00:03:35,519 - This is Larry Warren reporting live from Miami, Florida 65 00:03:35,606 --> 00:03:37,042 where the jury in Ted Bundy's- 66 00:03:37,129 --> 00:03:39,131 - [Man] There are some 250 reporters 67 00:03:39,219 --> 00:03:42,004 and television technicians from around the country. 68 00:03:42,091 --> 00:03:43,571 They will be following the trial 69 00:03:43,658 --> 00:03:46,095 and making video tape recordings of it. 70 00:03:47,705 --> 00:03:52,057 - The trial for the Chi Omega killings was televised live. 71 00:03:52,144 --> 00:03:55,757 And this is all, you know, years before O.J. Simpson. 72 00:03:55,844 --> 00:03:56,584 [slow music] 73 00:03:56,671 --> 00:03:58,368 It was probably the first trial 74 00:03:58,455 --> 00:04:01,328 that really captured our attention. 75 00:04:01,371 --> 00:04:04,113 - The legal preliminaries are underway in Florida, 76 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,116 where Theodore Bundy is charged with murder. 77 00:04:07,203 --> 00:04:08,378 [slow dramatic music] 78 00:04:08,465 --> 00:04:10,162 - It wasn't gavel to gavel coverage, 79 00:04:10,206 --> 00:04:12,687 but it was quite a national story. 80 00:04:12,730 --> 00:04:15,429 - We are watching it all by television, as we have done- 81 00:04:15,472 --> 00:04:16,517 - There was media everywhere, 82 00:04:16,604 --> 00:04:18,519 and there was one floor of the courthouse 83 00:04:18,606 --> 00:04:21,435 that was turned over to reporters and journalists 84 00:04:21,478 --> 00:04:22,827 from all over the world. 85 00:04:22,871 --> 00:04:24,655 - [Reporter] In court, the urbane Theodore Bundy 86 00:04:24,742 --> 00:04:26,004 proclaims his innocence. 87 00:04:26,091 --> 00:04:29,094 - [Ted] For I find it somewhat absurd to ask for mercy 88 00:04:29,181 --> 00:04:31,314 for something I did not do. 89 00:04:31,401 --> 00:04:36,276 - This trial was an eye-opening moment for the public 90 00:04:36,363 --> 00:04:39,409 because you had this charming-looking, 91 00:04:39,496 --> 00:04:43,108 articulate, smiling Ted Bundy. 92 00:04:44,196 --> 00:04:47,809 It was not the portrait of what most people 93 00:04:47,896 --> 00:04:50,768 expected a serial killer to look like. 94 00:04:51,987 --> 00:04:54,685 And that was a scary proposition for a lot of people. 95 00:04:54,772 --> 00:04:56,861 [slow music] 96 00:04:56,905 --> 00:04:58,733 - Having cameras in the courtroom 97 00:04:58,820 --> 00:05:02,084 is a very good thing for law enforcement 98 00:05:02,171 --> 00:05:07,263 in the sense that we can see how the suspect 99 00:05:08,046 --> 00:05:10,527 and the witnesses are acting, 100 00:05:10,614 --> 00:05:13,835 their demeanor, the things that they say. 101 00:05:13,922 --> 00:05:15,140 And that can be very helpful 102 00:05:15,227 --> 00:05:17,882 as you are investigating other cases. 103 00:05:17,926 --> 00:05:21,146 We picked up a few clues about Ted's trickiness, 104 00:05:21,190 --> 00:05:23,235 his arrogance, his narcissism, 105 00:05:23,323 --> 00:05:26,064 his wanting to represent himself. 106 00:05:26,108 --> 00:05:27,457 - [Reporter] You going to represent yourself 107 00:05:27,544 --> 00:05:28,850 or are you going to get another attorney? 108 00:05:28,937 --> 00:05:30,852 - I'm staying with the man I know best 109 00:05:30,939 --> 00:05:32,549 right now, and that's me. 110 00:05:32,593 --> 00:05:35,030 - Ted played to the cameras. 111 00:05:35,117 --> 00:05:39,164 He got to be this well-known attorney 112 00:05:39,251 --> 00:05:41,036 that he never really could become 113 00:05:41,123 --> 00:05:44,431 because he hadn't graduated from law school, for one thing. 114 00:05:44,518 --> 00:05:46,520 - My name's Ted Bundy and I'm defending the case. 115 00:05:46,607 --> 00:05:48,696 And I'm just here to introduce myself. 116 00:05:48,783 --> 00:05:50,654 - Here he was representing himself, 117 00:05:50,741 --> 00:05:56,007 being a TV star lawyer, a big deal to Ted. 118 00:06:02,840 --> 00:06:04,059 [men laughing] 119 00:06:04,146 --> 00:06:05,974 - So you see Bundy's narcissism 120 00:06:06,061 --> 00:06:08,280 on full display in the courtroom. 121 00:06:08,324 --> 00:06:11,283 He thought, "Here I can show how smart I am, 122 00:06:11,327 --> 00:06:14,199 "how much smarter I am than law enforcement." 123 00:06:15,113 --> 00:06:18,726 - He was like out of body. 124 00:06:18,813 --> 00:06:21,729 He was acting as his own lawyer, but he wasn't. 125 00:06:21,816 --> 00:06:23,252 He was acting as the lawyer 126 00:06:23,339 --> 00:06:25,820 for the person that committed these crimes. 127 00:06:25,863 --> 00:06:29,040 He never did see himself as having committed the crimes. 128 00:06:29,127 --> 00:06:31,695 He knew he did, but it wasn't that persona 129 00:06:31,782 --> 00:06:34,089 that committed the crimes. 130 00:06:34,132 --> 00:06:35,873 And he had no guilt. 131 00:06:44,795 --> 00:06:46,493 [people laughing] 132 00:06:46,580 --> 00:06:50,453 - Bundy actually thought that his abilities as an attorney 133 00:06:50,540 --> 00:06:52,237 were going to be so good 134 00:06:52,324 --> 00:06:55,066 that he wasn't even going to be convicted. 135 00:06:55,153 --> 00:06:59,331 And actually his narcissism is what got him convicted 136 00:06:59,419 --> 00:07:01,595 because he wasn't a very good attorney, 137 00:07:01,682 --> 00:07:03,901 but he played to the audiences. 138 00:07:03,988 --> 00:07:05,337 - [Reporter] Each day, the courtroom 139 00:07:05,381 --> 00:07:07,427 is filled with spectators drawn by a fascination 140 00:07:07,514 --> 00:07:08,819 with Theodore Bundy himself 141 00:07:08,906 --> 00:07:11,387 or by the gruesome details of the crimes. 142 00:07:11,474 --> 00:07:13,911 - At the time where serial murderers began to surface 143 00:07:13,998 --> 00:07:16,566 you have them being portrayed in the media 144 00:07:16,653 --> 00:07:19,090 as kind of glamorous figures. 145 00:07:20,483 --> 00:07:21,832 - [Reporter] What is unusual to see 146 00:07:21,919 --> 00:07:24,182 is that many of the onlookers are women, young women, 147 00:07:24,226 --> 00:07:26,881 contemporaries of the five Florida State sorority sisters 148 00:07:26,924 --> 00:07:29,710 who were assaulted in their beds a year and a half ago. 149 00:07:29,797 --> 00:07:32,103 - Every time he turns around, I kind of get that feeling, 150 00:07:32,190 --> 00:07:35,150 "Oh no, you're going to get me next." 151 00:07:35,237 --> 00:07:40,068 - One of the really odd things is how he had groupies. 152 00:07:40,155 --> 00:07:43,680 He had these young women who just thought he was so handsome 153 00:07:43,724 --> 00:07:47,162 and they seemed to be able to just shrug off 154 00:07:47,249 --> 00:07:48,337 the fact he was a murderer. 155 00:07:48,424 --> 00:07:49,164 [slow dramatic music] 156 00:07:49,251 --> 00:07:50,600 - I'm not afraid of him. 157 00:07:50,687 --> 00:07:52,863 He just doesn't look like the type to kill somebody. 158 00:07:52,950 --> 00:07:55,997 - I could not believe the young women 159 00:07:56,084 --> 00:07:59,696 that thought he was a hero. 160 00:07:59,740 --> 00:08:03,831 Let's have some consideration for the families 161 00:08:03,918 --> 00:08:07,182 of the victims and stop making a circus 162 00:08:07,225 --> 00:08:10,228 out of this, people's tragedies. 163 00:08:11,403 --> 00:08:15,190 - The level of exposure and sensationalism 164 00:08:15,233 --> 00:08:17,061 that was happening in that trial 165 00:08:17,105 --> 00:08:22,023 fueled interest in that sort of event from that point on 166 00:08:22,110 --> 00:08:23,764 to where criminal trials become 167 00:08:23,851 --> 00:08:26,767 the new sort of theater of the next decade, 168 00:08:26,854 --> 00:08:29,683 where we're watching a parade of serial murderers 169 00:08:29,770 --> 00:08:31,815 in front of us through their trials. 170 00:08:31,902 --> 00:08:33,991 - [Reporter] Crucial pieces of evidence the state has 171 00:08:34,078 --> 00:08:35,515 linking Theodore Bundy to the slaying 172 00:08:35,558 --> 00:08:36,994 of the two Florida State coeds 173 00:08:37,081 --> 00:08:39,954 is teeth marks found on the body of one of the coeds. 174 00:08:40,041 --> 00:08:43,348 The prosecution claims that Bundy's teeth match those marks. 175 00:08:43,435 --> 00:08:48,658 - The only thing that captured Ted Bundy for murder 176 00:08:49,441 --> 00:08:50,878 was the bite mark. 177 00:08:54,185 --> 00:08:57,014 On the morning after the murders, 178 00:08:57,101 --> 00:09:01,018 I decided that I should examine the bodies myself. 179 00:09:02,585 --> 00:09:05,632 What surprised me was when I looked 180 00:09:05,675 --> 00:09:10,680 at one of the young ladies, I saw a bite mark. 181 00:09:11,463 --> 00:09:13,204 It was deliberate. 182 00:09:13,291 --> 00:09:16,338 I thought something could be done with it. 183 00:09:16,425 --> 00:09:18,079 Bite marks had never been used 184 00:09:18,166 --> 00:09:21,430 in a court in Florida at that time. 185 00:09:21,517 --> 00:09:24,433 The idea came up that we could get 186 00:09:24,476 --> 00:09:27,741 a search warrant for his mouth. 187 00:09:29,220 --> 00:09:32,049 I believe that it might be the first search warrant 188 00:09:32,136 --> 00:09:35,009 for a person's mouth in the history of the country. 189 00:09:38,186 --> 00:09:44,105 We took him to my dentist's office, the doors swung open, 190 00:09:44,192 --> 00:09:46,281 and there were three doctors 191 00:09:46,368 --> 00:09:48,718 and behind them was a dental chair. 192 00:09:51,503 --> 00:09:54,289 As soon as he saw them, he said, 193 00:09:54,332 --> 00:09:57,814 "You can't do this. 194 00:09:57,858 --> 00:09:59,990 "You can't do this. 195 00:10:00,034 --> 00:10:01,601 "I want my lawyer." 196 00:10:07,650 --> 00:10:09,173 - [Reporter] For the state, perhaps the single most 197 00:10:09,217 --> 00:10:10,784 important piece of evidence linking Bundy 198 00:10:10,871 --> 00:10:12,350 to the crimes is bite marks. 199 00:10:12,394 --> 00:10:14,570 - [Lawyer] Can you tell us, within a reasonable degree 200 00:10:14,657 --> 00:10:15,919 of dental certainty if those teeth 201 00:10:17,051 --> 00:10:18,922 made the marks on those photographs? 202 00:10:20,576 --> 00:10:21,925 - Yes, sir. 203 00:10:22,012 --> 00:10:24,101 - [Lawyer] And what is that opinion, sir? 204 00:10:25,755 --> 00:10:26,930 - They made the marks. 205 00:10:28,062 --> 00:10:30,064 - This was Ted Bundy's bite. 206 00:10:31,239 --> 00:10:34,851 I believe now that he did indeed sign that body. 207 00:10:34,938 --> 00:10:37,506 He put his signature on it with his bite. 208 00:10:39,421 --> 00:10:41,336 - Mr. Bundy, a jury of your peers, 209 00:10:41,423 --> 00:10:43,425 having found you guilty of the offense 210 00:10:43,512 --> 00:10:44,774 of burglary of a dwelling 211 00:10:44,861 --> 00:10:46,994 and committing assault upon a person therein, 212 00:10:48,256 --> 00:10:50,475 this court judges you guilty. 213 00:10:50,519 --> 00:10:51,825 [slow dramatic music] 214 00:10:51,912 --> 00:10:54,218 - The verdict was guilty basically on all the charges. 215 00:10:54,305 --> 00:10:56,699 So we were quite thrilled. 216 00:10:56,786 --> 00:10:58,875 - This court, independent of, but in agreement 217 00:10:58,962 --> 00:11:02,313 with the advisory sentence rendered by the jury 218 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,272 does hereby impose the death penalty 219 00:11:05,316 --> 00:11:07,492 upon the defendant Theodore Robert Bundy. 220 00:11:07,579 --> 00:11:11,061 - I think Judge Cowart developed a respect for Ted. 221 00:11:11,105 --> 00:11:12,410 - You'd have made a good lawyer 222 00:11:12,497 --> 00:11:14,630 and I would have loved to have you practice in front of me, 223 00:11:14,717 --> 00:11:17,241 but you went another way, partner. 224 00:11:17,328 --> 00:11:18,678 Take care of yourself. 225 00:11:18,765 --> 00:11:21,898 I don't have any animosity to ya, I want you to know that. 226 00:11:21,985 --> 00:11:23,900 - Bundy had this glibness, 227 00:11:23,987 --> 00:11:26,642 superficial charm that won people over. 228 00:11:26,729 --> 00:11:29,384 This happened time and time again. 229 00:11:29,471 --> 00:11:31,168 That judge was manipulated. 230 00:11:31,255 --> 00:11:34,606 And it demonstrates how dangerous psychopaths can be 231 00:11:34,650 --> 00:11:37,435 in their ability to charm and manipulate others. 232 00:11:37,479 --> 00:11:39,524 - And the family will be devastated by this. 233 00:11:39,611 --> 00:11:41,788 But we'll stick behind him because we know 234 00:11:41,875 --> 00:11:43,877 he's not guilty, as do all his friends. 235 00:11:45,356 --> 00:11:48,185 - He thought he was a brilliant lawyer. 236 00:11:48,272 --> 00:11:51,275 But he just showed his stupidity representing himself 237 00:11:51,362 --> 00:11:53,713 because he was not a brilliant lawyer. 238 00:11:54,757 --> 00:11:56,977 He never could back that arrogance up 239 00:11:57,064 --> 00:11:58,935 with true intelligence. 240 00:11:59,022 --> 00:12:01,329 [slow music] 241 00:12:01,416 --> 00:12:04,419 - The Bundy case was really a critical case for us 242 00:12:04,506 --> 00:12:07,030 because it brought national attention 243 00:12:07,117 --> 00:12:09,729 to this problem of serial killers. 244 00:12:09,816 --> 00:12:15,038 It was when we first defined what a serial killer was, 245 00:12:16,170 --> 00:12:18,738 someone who's committed three or more murders 246 00:12:18,825 --> 00:12:22,742 in three or more locations, with a cooling-off period 247 00:12:22,829 --> 00:12:24,918 between each of the murders. 248 00:12:25,005 --> 00:12:27,094 And the common traits in serial killers 249 00:12:27,137 --> 00:12:29,183 is that they're very egocentric, 250 00:12:30,271 --> 00:12:33,056 narcissistic, thinking only of themselves, 251 00:12:34,188 --> 00:12:37,626 have no remorse or empathy for their victims, 252 00:12:38,975 --> 00:12:42,196 and they're usually very careful preparing for their crimes, 253 00:12:42,283 --> 00:12:45,634 because they understand that it is against the law. 254 00:12:45,721 --> 00:12:48,071 And Bundy was really one of the first. 255 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,772 The Bundy case also helped us develop 256 00:12:52,859 --> 00:12:56,776 the Violent Criminal Apprehension Program, or ViCAP. 257 00:12:58,081 --> 00:13:02,172 - The FBI's ViCAP program was meant to make connections 258 00:13:02,259 --> 00:13:05,045 and link cases together across jurisdictions, 259 00:13:05,132 --> 00:13:07,308 cases that were serial in nature. 260 00:13:08,396 --> 00:13:11,094 - The ViCAP program was specifically designed 261 00:13:11,181 --> 00:13:15,620 to have homicide detectives complete questionnaires 262 00:13:15,707 --> 00:13:19,059 on their homicide, solved or unsolved, send them to the FBI, 263 00:13:19,146 --> 00:13:22,279 and the FBI would look at and analyze these cases 264 00:13:22,366 --> 00:13:25,979 and see if there were commonalities between the cases. 265 00:13:26,066 --> 00:13:27,502 - This system will assist investigators 266 00:13:27,589 --> 00:13:29,025 in learning and acquiring information 267 00:13:29,069 --> 00:13:32,681 about serial multi-jurisdictional predators. 268 00:13:32,768 --> 00:13:34,988 - We recognized that we had these cases 269 00:13:35,031 --> 00:13:37,251 going on with Ted Bundy. 270 00:13:37,294 --> 00:13:41,951 We had the case with John Wayne Gacy going on in Chicago. 271 00:13:42,038 --> 00:13:45,563 And now there was an impetus driving 272 00:13:45,650 --> 00:13:48,175 this understanding of these individuals. 273 00:13:48,218 --> 00:13:51,831 [slow dramatic music] 274 00:13:51,918 --> 00:13:56,400 - In February of 1980, after Bundy gets his sentence, 275 00:13:56,444 --> 00:14:01,144 John Wayne Gacy goes on trial for the murder of 33 boys. 276 00:14:01,231 --> 00:14:03,364 - Chicago prosecutors began presenting evidence today 277 00:14:03,451 --> 00:14:06,280 in the trial of John Gacy, evidence it hopes will lead 278 00:14:06,323 --> 00:14:08,935 to the death penalty in the case involving more murders 279 00:14:09,022 --> 00:14:11,198 than any trial in American history. 280 00:14:14,418 --> 00:14:15,985 - It was certainly the biggest case 281 00:14:16,072 --> 00:14:17,421 I had tried up to that point. 282 00:14:17,465 --> 00:14:19,510 If you're going to have capital punishment in Illinois, 283 00:14:19,554 --> 00:14:21,034 John Gacy deserves it. 284 00:14:22,426 --> 00:14:23,993 - Gacy's trial was unique. 285 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:28,563 It was 33 murders tried at one time. 286 00:14:28,650 --> 00:14:32,872 It was the most cases tried in any serial killer case. 287 00:14:34,177 --> 00:14:36,701 - We saw the trial from beginning to end. 288 00:14:36,788 --> 00:14:39,661 And what's very different, he just sat there 289 00:14:40,444 --> 00:14:43,273 like he was waiting for a bus. 290 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:44,492 [slow music] 291 00:14:44,579 --> 00:14:49,149 My mother said, "We are going there every day." 292 00:14:50,237 --> 00:14:52,108 It was a long haul for us to go every day, 293 00:14:52,195 --> 00:14:53,544 but it doesn't matter. 294 00:14:53,631 --> 00:14:55,764 You gotta be there to support 295 00:14:55,851 --> 00:14:57,722 all the other families that were there. 296 00:14:57,809 --> 00:15:00,551 Many of the parents were there all the time. 297 00:15:02,727 --> 00:15:04,164 - [Reporter] The central question for the seven men 298 00:15:04,207 --> 00:15:08,995 and five women on the jury, is Gacy crazy or diabolical? 299 00:15:09,082 --> 00:15:11,911 One answer could mean life in a mental institution. 300 00:15:11,998 --> 00:15:13,782 The other could mean death. 301 00:15:15,131 --> 00:15:18,874 - There was a jury looking at 33 murders at the same time. 302 00:15:18,961 --> 00:15:22,791 You had to educate them in a layman's way 303 00:15:22,878 --> 00:15:27,665 as to the difference between crazy and 304 00:15:27,709 --> 00:15:31,234 the legal standard for sanity at the time of an offense. 305 00:15:31,321 --> 00:15:32,627 [dramatic music] 306 00:15:32,714 --> 00:15:37,110 - Gacy's MO was to lure young men and boys to his home. 307 00:15:38,198 --> 00:15:41,636 He had done this over and over and over again. 308 00:15:42,854 --> 00:15:46,075 - What John Gacy targeted for was certainly 309 00:15:46,162 --> 00:15:49,905 a homosexual event, possibly non-consensual. 310 00:15:49,992 --> 00:15:53,691 And if it became obvious to him that that individual 311 00:15:53,735 --> 00:15:55,780 was going to be a threat to him 312 00:15:55,867 --> 00:15:58,435 and not go along with the program, 313 00:15:59,567 --> 00:16:02,048 then he made the choice to make them a victim 314 00:16:02,091 --> 00:16:04,789 with the handcuff trick and the rope trick. 315 00:16:06,095 --> 00:16:07,923 - [John] He'd put the handcuffs on him behind his back, 316 00:16:08,010 --> 00:16:10,882 show his victims that he was cuffed. 317 00:16:10,970 --> 00:16:12,972 But Gacy would get out of the cuffs 318 00:16:13,059 --> 00:16:15,278 as he's showing them to the victim. 319 00:16:15,365 --> 00:16:16,540 So he said, "That's the trick. 320 00:16:16,584 --> 00:16:17,759 "I can get out of the cuffs. 321 00:16:17,846 --> 00:16:19,195 "So now you try it and see 322 00:16:19,282 --> 00:16:21,502 "if you can get out of the handcuffs." 323 00:16:21,589 --> 00:16:24,766 - Now he's got the hands immobilized. 324 00:16:24,853 --> 00:16:25,767 He can't get out. 325 00:16:25,854 --> 00:16:27,551 He said, "Well, don't try yet, 326 00:16:27,595 --> 00:16:29,597 "but I'm going to show you the rope trick now." 327 00:16:29,684 --> 00:16:31,468 - [Reporter] And then there's the Gacy confession 328 00:16:31,555 --> 00:16:33,557 about how he killed his victims, 329 00:16:33,644 --> 00:16:36,212 strangled them with his now infamous rope trick. 330 00:16:36,256 --> 00:16:37,257 - This is too long. 331 00:16:38,084 --> 00:16:39,520 You don't need it this long. 332 00:16:39,607 --> 00:16:41,087 What I told them, I says, "Here, all you do 333 00:16:41,174 --> 00:16:43,915 "is you wrap it around, you put one knot in it, 334 00:16:44,873 --> 00:16:48,181 "then you put a second knot in it, okay?" 335 00:16:48,268 --> 00:16:50,183 I says, "Then you take a stick and stick it in here. 336 00:16:50,270 --> 00:16:52,576 "And you just turn this." 337 00:16:52,663 --> 00:16:54,143 - That's called a garrote. 338 00:16:55,710 --> 00:16:58,669 And any number of the bodies buried in the crawlspace 339 00:16:58,756 --> 00:17:01,194 still had a noose around their neck, 340 00:17:01,281 --> 00:17:02,847 or the marks from the noose. 341 00:17:04,153 --> 00:17:07,548 - John Wayne Gacy, he was doing it in a very thoughtful, 342 00:17:07,635 --> 00:17:11,682 cold-blooded, premeditated, strategic manner. 343 00:17:11,769 --> 00:17:14,772 He was thinking like a predator. 344 00:17:14,859 --> 00:17:17,079 He wasn't thinking in terms of someone 345 00:17:17,166 --> 00:17:19,560 that didn't know right from wrong. 346 00:17:19,603 --> 00:17:20,952 [slow dramatic music] 347 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,346 - There was no way that he could be found insane. 348 00:17:23,433 --> 00:17:27,046 He covered up his tracks for how many years. 349 00:17:27,133 --> 00:17:29,004 He was a pillar of society. 350 00:17:30,136 --> 00:17:30,875 There was a lot of shrinks that came 351 00:17:30,962 --> 00:17:32,225 and said, "Oh yeah, he's nuts." 352 00:17:32,268 --> 00:17:33,965 Well, okay, prove it. 353 00:17:34,053 --> 00:17:36,229 Show me why he's crazy. 354 00:17:36,316 --> 00:17:37,839 Show the jury why he's nuts. 355 00:17:43,714 --> 00:17:44,976 [dramatic music] 356 00:17:45,064 --> 00:17:46,500 [people talking] 357 00:17:46,587 --> 00:17:48,893 - [Reporter] It took the jury of seven men and five women 358 00:17:48,980 --> 00:17:51,244 less than two hours to find John Wayne Gacy 359 00:17:51,287 --> 00:17:53,898 guilty of murdering 33 young men. 360 00:17:53,985 --> 00:17:56,249 Gacy was convicted of murdering more people 361 00:17:56,336 --> 00:17:58,816 than anyone else in US history. 362 00:17:58,860 --> 00:18:02,385 - Very pleased, very happy for the people of Illinois. 363 00:18:02,472 --> 00:18:06,302 Very happy that John Gacy has been stopped. 364 00:18:07,651 --> 00:18:10,828 - They constantly kept saying this could have been solved 365 00:18:10,915 --> 00:18:12,830 much earlier than it was. 366 00:18:12,917 --> 00:18:14,267 They dropped the ball. 367 00:18:15,659 --> 00:18:17,922 But I do believe that good things 368 00:18:17,966 --> 00:18:21,012 do come out of bad situations. 369 00:18:21,100 --> 00:18:24,190 And it's because of my brother's disappearance 370 00:18:24,277 --> 00:18:28,107 and other kids of that age that they changed their ruling 371 00:18:28,150 --> 00:18:32,850 on when a minor does disappear 372 00:18:32,937 --> 00:18:37,725 things happen much more rapidly than it did in the 70s. 373 00:18:37,812 --> 00:18:39,205 It was 72 hours. 374 00:18:39,292 --> 00:18:43,470 Now it's within 24 hours they are on it. 375 00:18:44,775 --> 00:18:49,780 - If there's anything good to come out of the Gacy case, 376 00:18:50,433 --> 00:18:53,306 it would be the ability to keep track 377 00:18:53,393 --> 00:18:55,134 of people who are missing. 378 00:18:56,222 --> 00:18:58,398 Police come up with a computerized system 379 00:18:58,485 --> 00:19:02,489 that they can use to track people who have been murdered, 380 00:19:02,576 --> 00:19:05,840 reported missing, or have been kidnapped. 381 00:19:05,927 --> 00:19:09,104 [slow dramatic music] 382 00:19:09,191 --> 00:19:11,237 - There's a commonality between John Wayne Gacy 383 00:19:11,324 --> 00:19:14,544 and Jeffrey Dahmer in the fact that they were both gay men 384 00:19:14,588 --> 00:19:17,591 trying to exist and live a life 385 00:19:17,678 --> 00:19:21,072 in a time where being a gay man was not accepted. 386 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,814 They're spending their whole life as outcasts, 387 00:19:23,901 --> 00:19:25,686 as not being good enough. 388 00:19:25,729 --> 00:19:27,731 And that becomes sort of the context 389 00:19:27,775 --> 00:19:29,516 for their sexual behaviors, 390 00:19:29,559 --> 00:19:31,561 as well as all their interactions. 391 00:19:31,648 --> 00:19:34,260 [slow dramatic music] 392 00:19:34,303 --> 00:19:38,960 - There's a large gap after Dahmer killed Steven Hicks 393 00:19:39,047 --> 00:19:43,182 to his next kill, because Dahmer's not ready yet. 394 00:19:43,269 --> 00:19:45,532 He's only 18 years old. 395 00:19:50,754 --> 00:19:54,193 - Dahmer actually went to Ohio State University 396 00:19:54,236 --> 00:19:57,065 after he graduated from high school. 397 00:19:57,108 --> 00:19:58,197 He didn't do well. 398 00:19:58,284 --> 00:20:00,764 He flunked out after one semester 399 00:20:00,851 --> 00:20:05,726 and his father dragged him to the army recruitment office 400 00:20:05,769 --> 00:20:08,772 and insisted that he join up. 401 00:20:08,859 --> 00:20:12,123 [slow dramatic music] 402 00:20:13,168 --> 00:20:15,649 - When I enlisted, all I wanted to do 403 00:20:15,736 --> 00:20:17,564 was make my mother proud. 404 00:20:18,478 --> 00:20:20,175 First day in Germany, this jolly guy 405 00:20:20,262 --> 00:20:24,223 meets me at battalion headquarters. 406 00:20:25,311 --> 00:20:28,662 He says, "Hey, we got a roommate for ya." 407 00:20:28,749 --> 00:20:31,404 And that roommate was Jeffrey Dahmer, 408 00:20:32,622 --> 00:20:34,929 Private First Class Jeffrey Dahmer. 409 00:20:37,758 --> 00:20:43,111 When I first met Jeff, I'll never forget that first look. 410 00:20:44,199 --> 00:20:47,420 When he looked at you, it was a blank stare, 411 00:20:47,463 --> 00:20:52,425 like no one was even in there. 412 00:20:54,470 --> 00:20:55,950 And then it just started, 413 00:20:58,213 --> 00:21:02,043 Night after night, after night, after night, 414 00:21:02,130 --> 00:21:04,088 the attacks, the choking. 415 00:21:05,568 --> 00:21:07,440 He was raping me all the time. 416 00:21:07,527 --> 00:21:10,443 It was almost every single day. 417 00:21:12,575 --> 00:21:14,273 I reported the rape. 418 00:21:14,360 --> 00:21:18,451 They did not document rapes or any of that stuff. 419 00:21:18,538 --> 00:21:20,453 It's like no one was in charge. 420 00:21:24,065 --> 00:21:26,763 He was drinking constantly. 421 00:21:26,850 --> 00:21:27,808 He'd get drunk. 422 00:21:28,896 --> 00:21:30,767 He would masturbate. 423 00:21:31,986 --> 00:21:35,946 They caught him at Family Park in front of children. 424 00:21:36,033 --> 00:21:39,689 The MPs escorted him back to the barracks, 425 00:21:39,733 --> 00:21:42,649 several occasions with just his underwear on. 426 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,480 - Dahmer was actually discharged from the military 427 00:21:47,523 --> 00:21:49,482 because of his abuse of alcohol. 428 00:21:53,355 --> 00:21:55,879 - After the military, Dahmer returns home 429 00:21:55,923 --> 00:21:57,533 and his drinking continues. 430 00:21:57,620 --> 00:21:59,883 His father can't deal with him anymore. 431 00:21:59,970 --> 00:22:02,495 [slow music] 432 00:22:03,757 --> 00:22:09,240 - His father actually sent him to live in West Allis, 433 00:22:10,111 --> 00:22:14,202 which is a suburb of Milwaukee, with his grandmother. 434 00:22:15,943 --> 00:22:17,597 - The family also recognized 435 00:22:17,684 --> 00:22:19,686 that he had a drinking problem back then. 436 00:22:19,773 --> 00:22:24,430 And the father was hoping that by living with Grandma 437 00:22:24,517 --> 00:22:27,041 that Grandma could kind of keep that in check. 438 00:22:28,825 --> 00:22:32,438 - On August 7th, 1982, Dahmer is arrested 439 00:22:32,481 --> 00:22:36,442 for exposing himself to women and children at a park, 440 00:22:36,529 --> 00:22:39,096 and he's fined and released to the care of his grandmother. 441 00:22:39,183 --> 00:22:41,447 [slow dramatic music] 442 00:22:41,534 --> 00:22:45,799 - He went to a mall and stole a male mannequin 443 00:22:45,886 --> 00:22:48,845 that he brought back to have sex with. 444 00:22:48,932 --> 00:22:53,459 He actually went to some young men's wakes 445 00:22:53,546 --> 00:22:54,851 and would look at 'em. 446 00:22:54,938 --> 00:22:58,942 In one case, he told us he tried to dig up the grave 447 00:22:58,986 --> 00:23:03,773 and was going to try to take home a dead body. 448 00:23:05,166 --> 00:23:08,430 - With these behaviors, Jeffrey Dahmer appears to be trying 449 00:23:08,474 --> 00:23:11,346 to avoid his urges to kill. 450 00:23:11,433 --> 00:23:13,435 If I can have sex with this mannequin, 451 00:23:13,522 --> 00:23:17,221 then I'm not killing people and having sex with a dead body. 452 00:23:17,265 --> 00:23:19,223 We don't see themes of control 453 00:23:19,310 --> 00:23:21,312 with all five of these killers, 454 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,403 but we do see it prominently with Dennis Rader. 455 00:23:26,317 --> 00:23:28,145 In between his first set of killings 456 00:23:28,189 --> 00:23:29,843 and his second set of killings, 457 00:23:29,886 --> 00:23:32,759 Dennis Rader took seven years off to raise his family 458 00:23:32,846 --> 00:23:35,718 and seemingly control his impulses to kill. 459 00:23:36,676 --> 00:23:39,940 So Rader and Dahmer are able to sort of kill 460 00:23:39,983 --> 00:23:41,942 and then lay low for a while. 461 00:23:41,985 --> 00:23:43,204 There is this cooling-off period 462 00:23:43,291 --> 00:23:46,120 that lasts a fairly significant amount of time. 463 00:23:47,426 --> 00:23:51,299 Gary Ridgway, on the other hand, once he started killing, 464 00:23:51,342 --> 00:23:52,779 he went on a killing rampage 465 00:23:52,866 --> 00:23:55,129 the likes of which history has rarely seen. 466 00:24:02,528 --> 00:24:03,616 [slow dramatic music] 467 00:24:16,411 --> 00:24:19,327 [dramatic music] 468 00:24:23,026 --> 00:24:25,681 - The first victim of the Green River Killer 469 00:24:25,768 --> 00:24:26,682 was Wendy Coffield. 470 00:24:26,769 --> 00:24:28,641 She was 16 years old. 471 00:24:28,728 --> 00:24:30,077 - [Reporter] Two boys riding their bikes 472 00:24:30,164 --> 00:24:32,079 along the Green River spotted the body 473 00:24:32,166 --> 00:24:35,648 of 16-year-old Wendy Coffield tangled among these pilings. 474 00:24:37,954 --> 00:24:41,480 - She had been living in foster care in a home in Tacoma, 475 00:24:41,523 --> 00:24:44,700 and she had run away from foster care 476 00:24:44,787 --> 00:24:47,877 and was thought to be engaging in prostitution. 477 00:24:47,921 --> 00:24:50,489 She was last seen just a couple of days 478 00:24:50,576 --> 00:24:53,056 before her body was found in the Green River. 479 00:24:54,449 --> 00:24:58,409 The ligature that was used on Wendy Coffield was her pants, 480 00:24:58,497 --> 00:25:00,673 and they had been wrapped tightly 481 00:25:00,716 --> 00:25:03,066 and kind of knotted around her neck. 482 00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:04,241 And this was the first body 483 00:25:04,328 --> 00:25:05,373 that was found in the Green River. 484 00:25:05,460 --> 00:25:07,418 So at that time no one knew 485 00:25:07,462 --> 00:25:09,508 that it was part of a serial killing. 486 00:25:12,641 --> 00:25:13,860 [slow music] 487 00:25:13,947 --> 00:25:17,124 - Gary Ridgway is the antithesis of Ted Bundy, 488 00:25:17,211 --> 00:25:18,604 who was very charismatic, 489 00:25:18,691 --> 00:25:22,216 very outgoing, supposedly attractive. 490 00:25:22,259 --> 00:25:24,348 Gary Ridgway is none of those things. 491 00:25:24,392 --> 00:25:26,089 And yet when you're watching him 492 00:25:26,176 --> 00:25:29,049 and you're listening to how he lived his life, 493 00:25:29,092 --> 00:25:31,878 to some degree he lived his life that way. 494 00:25:31,965 --> 00:25:33,183 He's invisible. 495 00:25:33,270 --> 00:25:35,708 And that's what contributed to much of his success 496 00:25:35,795 --> 00:25:38,537 in being able to get away with this for so many years. 497 00:25:40,147 --> 00:25:41,583 - With Ridgway, I don't know 498 00:25:41,627 --> 00:25:44,804 that he necessarily mapped this crime out. 499 00:25:44,891 --> 00:25:48,547 Ridgway was already having experiences with prostitutes. 500 00:25:48,634 --> 00:25:50,331 And it sounds more like it was just 501 00:25:50,418 --> 00:25:52,507 an opportunity that presented itself. 502 00:25:53,508 --> 00:25:54,857 Fantasy is an important part of this, 503 00:25:54,944 --> 00:25:57,120 but you also have to have the opportunity. 504 00:25:57,207 --> 00:26:01,603 And he had fantasized about this particular event 505 00:26:01,647 --> 00:26:03,170 for many, many, many years, 506 00:26:03,257 --> 00:26:05,912 almost even going back to his childhood arguably. 507 00:26:09,393 --> 00:26:13,267 - Gary Ridgway had a domineering mother. 508 00:26:14,355 --> 00:26:16,400 You know, he wasn't a very smart individual. 509 00:26:16,487 --> 00:26:18,620 This was a guy who was reported 510 00:26:18,707 --> 00:26:21,449 to have wet his bed until he was age 13. 511 00:26:22,798 --> 00:26:26,062 - He described how his mother would wake him in the night 512 00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:29,065 and be angered by the bed wetting, 513 00:26:29,152 --> 00:26:30,850 and put him in the bathtub 514 00:26:30,937 --> 00:26:33,896 and wash his genitals aggressively. 515 00:26:35,071 --> 00:26:38,988 Gary said it was both humiliating 516 00:26:39,032 --> 00:26:41,904 and sexually arousing at the same time. 517 00:26:42,949 --> 00:26:43,950 - [Mark] This created 518 00:26:44,037 --> 00:26:46,605 really conflicting feelings for Ridgway. 519 00:27:07,277 --> 00:27:11,064 - One part of him lusted after his mother in a sexual way. 520 00:27:11,151 --> 00:27:13,327 Another part of him hated his mother. 521 00:27:13,414 --> 00:27:16,112 So as a child growing up, you have these 522 00:27:16,199 --> 00:27:19,333 really conflicting emotions that then develop 523 00:27:19,420 --> 00:27:23,032 into sort of this love, hate relationship 524 00:27:23,076 --> 00:27:25,339 with women as you get older. 525 00:27:42,748 --> 00:27:45,925 - His father constantly reinforced into him 526 00:27:46,012 --> 00:27:50,277 his hatred for prostitutes, because he was a bus driver 527 00:27:50,364 --> 00:27:52,192 and his father was always talking about, 528 00:27:52,279 --> 00:27:55,108 in a very degrading way, about prostitutes. 529 00:27:55,195 --> 00:27:57,676 So you see how this could impact Ridgway 530 00:27:57,763 --> 00:28:00,069 and his thinking early on. 531 00:28:00,113 --> 00:28:02,419 And of course, who is Ridgway targeting 532 00:28:02,506 --> 00:28:05,422 when he starts to act out, who is he targeting? 533 00:28:05,509 --> 00:28:06,902 He's targeting prostitutes. 534 00:28:06,989 --> 00:28:08,991 [slow dramatic music] 535 00:28:09,078 --> 00:28:12,516 - When he was in the military, he discovered prostitution. 536 00:28:12,603 --> 00:28:16,433 And, you know, that was an outlet for him. 537 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,654 He told us that after he was discharged from the military 538 00:28:19,741 --> 00:28:22,135 and he came back to the Seattle area, 539 00:28:22,222 --> 00:28:24,877 he discovered that his first wife 540 00:28:24,964 --> 00:28:26,705 had become involved with somebody else, 541 00:28:26,748 --> 00:28:27,880 that she was having an affair 542 00:28:27,967 --> 00:28:30,273 and she wanted to get divorced. 543 00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:32,798 and they did ultimately get divorced. 544 00:28:32,885 --> 00:28:36,018 And this enraged Ridgway. 545 00:28:37,324 --> 00:28:40,762 - 1982, Gary Ridgway's first kill. 546 00:28:40,849 --> 00:28:43,939 At this point in Gary's life, he's in his early 30s. 547 00:28:43,983 --> 00:28:45,680 And at this particular time 548 00:28:45,767 --> 00:28:50,250 a number of social environmental stressors happening to him. 549 00:28:50,337 --> 00:28:53,427 He was arrested for soliciting a prostitute 550 00:28:53,514 --> 00:28:55,995 and had just gone through his second divorce. 551 00:28:56,082 --> 00:28:59,041 The former is significant because two years prior to that 552 00:28:59,128 --> 00:29:01,000 he was arrested for choking a prostitute. 553 00:29:01,087 --> 00:29:03,916 So there seems to be a pattern that was already ramping up, 554 00:29:04,003 --> 00:29:07,267 if you will, related to sexual and violent behavior. 555 00:29:23,674 --> 00:29:25,328 - [Reporter] Four more victims were discovered, 556 00:29:25,372 --> 00:29:28,331 three in the river and one on the river bank. 557 00:29:28,375 --> 00:29:30,507 All of them had been strangled. 558 00:29:30,551 --> 00:29:33,684 - It was only a few weeks after Wendy Coffield was found 559 00:29:33,772 --> 00:29:39,081 that they discovered another set of bodies in the river. 560 00:29:39,995 --> 00:29:41,170 I think it was clear at that point 561 00:29:41,214 --> 00:29:43,956 that they were dealing with a serial killer. 562 00:29:49,091 --> 00:29:50,614 [slow dramatic music] 563 00:29:52,007 --> 00:29:54,314 - Our first victims are in the Green River. 564 00:29:54,357 --> 00:29:57,143 Both Wendy Coffield and Debra Bonner 565 00:29:57,186 --> 00:29:59,536 were found floating in the water. 566 00:29:59,623 --> 00:30:02,539 We had two other victims that he had placed in the water 567 00:30:02,626 --> 00:30:05,978 and put large rocks on them to hold them down. 568 00:30:06,979 --> 00:30:09,546 The detectives, as they're investigating 569 00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:12,898 the two in the river, they're doing a canvas 570 00:30:12,941 --> 00:30:16,510 and that's when they come across the body of Opal Mills. 571 00:30:16,597 --> 00:30:18,991 She has her jeans around her neck, used as a ligature. 572 00:30:19,078 --> 00:30:22,646 And other than that she's face down and nude. 573 00:30:24,126 --> 00:30:27,695 - What's really important here is that Gary Ridgway 574 00:30:27,738 --> 00:30:29,740 is a serial sexual killer. 575 00:30:29,828 --> 00:30:33,527 And so the power and control that existed in his murders, 576 00:30:33,570 --> 00:30:35,746 I think is extremely compelling. 577 00:30:35,790 --> 00:30:40,360 He said at times the idea that he was strangling someone 578 00:30:40,447 --> 00:30:45,017 at the point that he was also sexually assaulting 579 00:30:45,104 --> 00:30:48,716 his victims, that was such a feeling of omnipotence. 580 00:31:00,380 --> 00:31:05,037 - He was picking sex workers, many of them women of color. 581 00:31:06,865 --> 00:31:07,778 - They had broken homes. 582 00:31:07,866 --> 00:31:08,997 They had been abused. 583 00:31:09,084 --> 00:31:10,781 They had people who didn't care for them, 584 00:31:10,869 --> 00:31:12,174 who didn't love them. 585 00:31:12,261 --> 00:31:13,741 And they were vulnerable. 586 00:31:13,828 --> 00:31:16,831 Ridgway knew that they were the least likely 587 00:31:16,918 --> 00:31:19,921 to draw attention if they went missing 588 00:31:19,965 --> 00:31:22,228 or if they turned up dead. 589 00:31:23,490 --> 00:31:25,579 I don't think that the community in general 590 00:31:25,622 --> 00:31:27,755 reacted the same way as they had 591 00:31:27,798 --> 00:31:29,844 during the time that Ted Bundy was killing. 592 00:31:29,931 --> 00:31:33,152 And I think that was largely related to attitudes 593 00:31:33,195 --> 00:31:36,503 that kind of marginalized the women that he victimized. 594 00:31:36,590 --> 00:31:38,461 And as a result of that, 595 00:31:38,548 --> 00:31:41,247 people didn't give it the same kind of attention 596 00:31:41,290 --> 00:31:42,901 as if you kill a sorority girl 597 00:31:42,944 --> 00:31:44,772 at the University of Washington. 598 00:31:46,948 --> 00:31:49,168 - You go back to the 70s, you find 599 00:31:49,255 --> 00:31:52,954 this sort of trusting environment 600 00:31:52,998 --> 00:31:54,347 where we trusted strangers. 601 00:31:54,434 --> 00:31:56,610 We didn't look askance at strangers. 602 00:31:58,525 --> 00:32:01,484 Then there was a lot of national attention 603 00:32:01,571 --> 00:32:04,923 to these bigger cases like Ted Bundy, 604 00:32:05,010 --> 00:32:08,796 like John Wayne Gacy, and culture changes. 605 00:32:09,666 --> 00:32:10,885 - Come on, hop in. 606 00:32:10,972 --> 00:32:12,191 - [Narrator] Talk to your children 607 00:32:12,278 --> 00:32:14,584 about not talking to strangers, and do it today. 608 00:32:14,671 --> 00:32:15,672 A message for your child- 609 00:32:15,759 --> 00:32:19,024 - So these individuals had to start targeting 610 00:32:19,111 --> 00:32:24,290 groups of victims that weren't previously being targeted. 611 00:32:25,595 --> 00:32:30,600 That's where we start to see a shift to vulnerable types 612 00:32:30,687 --> 00:32:35,823 of population groups like drug abusers, prostitutes, 613 00:32:36,998 --> 00:32:39,479 high-risk victims, because they have to find 614 00:32:39,522 --> 00:32:41,611 their victim population somewhere. 615 00:32:45,528 --> 00:32:48,488 When investigators in King County, Washington, 616 00:32:48,575 --> 00:32:52,666 start discovering these dead prostitutes, 617 00:32:52,753 --> 00:32:54,233 they didn't really waste any time 618 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,323 in getting a task force put together. 619 00:32:58,541 --> 00:33:01,022 Because they had been dealing with Ted Bundy 620 00:33:01,109 --> 00:33:03,982 over the years in the same general area, 621 00:33:04,025 --> 00:33:06,854 they recognized that putting together 622 00:33:06,941 --> 00:33:10,336 a task force with multiple facets 623 00:33:10,379 --> 00:33:13,513 would be the best way to solve this case. 624 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,602 - And that task force was made up 625 00:33:15,689 --> 00:33:17,778 of the King County Sheriff's Department, 626 00:33:17,865 --> 00:33:20,520 Seattle Police Department, and the FBI. 627 00:33:22,913 --> 00:33:24,176 - At the time that Ridgway was really 628 00:33:24,219 --> 00:33:26,308 in the height of his killing period, 629 00:33:26,395 --> 00:33:28,441 people just have to remember that the science 630 00:33:28,528 --> 00:33:30,704 and the technology and what was available 631 00:33:30,747 --> 00:33:33,011 to law enforcement was so different. 632 00:33:34,142 --> 00:33:36,623 We had pretty rudimentary forensic science. 633 00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:38,364 The technology just wasn't there. 634 00:33:38,407 --> 00:33:40,496 There weren't elaborate databases. 635 00:33:40,583 --> 00:33:43,195 So when you were trying to track who the Johns were, 636 00:33:43,238 --> 00:33:46,067 for example, that we knew frequented 637 00:33:46,154 --> 00:33:47,025 Pacific Highway South, 638 00:33:47,112 --> 00:33:48,722 you know, those were all individual 639 00:33:48,809 --> 00:33:51,855 hard copy little notes and cards. 640 00:33:53,814 --> 00:33:55,903 - Back in the 70s and the early 80s 641 00:33:55,946 --> 00:33:57,296 certainly we didn't have all 642 00:33:57,339 --> 00:34:00,560 of the electronic surveillance means that we have now. 643 00:34:00,647 --> 00:34:02,344 There are no cell phones. 644 00:34:02,431 --> 00:34:04,390 When we initially started finding the bodies, 645 00:34:04,477 --> 00:34:08,133 they were using VHS tapes for videotaping the crime scenes. 646 00:34:08,220 --> 00:34:11,658 In the past, remember, it's still photography and that's it. 647 00:34:11,745 --> 00:34:14,313 And now we're able to videotape the crime scenes 648 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,097 and go back and maybe look at things 649 00:34:16,184 --> 00:34:18,752 that we might've not seen at that time. 650 00:34:18,839 --> 00:34:21,842 So that was considered real cutting-edge technology 651 00:34:21,929 --> 00:34:23,148 back in the 80s. 652 00:34:23,235 --> 00:34:24,540 - [Reporter] Almost immediately after 653 00:34:24,627 --> 00:34:26,499 the fourth and fifth bodies were pulled out 654 00:34:26,586 --> 00:34:29,154 of the Green River last month, King County police 655 00:34:29,241 --> 00:34:32,113 asked the FBI to prepare a psychological profile 656 00:34:32,157 --> 00:34:34,463 of the possible killer, or killers. 657 00:34:35,421 --> 00:34:37,423 - Early on, the Green River task force 658 00:34:37,466 --> 00:34:39,164 had asked for FBI assistance. 659 00:34:39,251 --> 00:34:42,906 And at that point, FBI agent John Douglas 660 00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:44,778 had gotten involved in the case. 661 00:34:44,821 --> 00:34:48,260 John Douglas was one of the founding agents 662 00:34:48,347 --> 00:34:50,653 of the Behavioral Science Unit. 663 00:34:50,697 --> 00:34:53,743 He and Robert Ressler are known 664 00:34:53,830 --> 00:34:55,267 for going around the United States 665 00:34:55,354 --> 00:34:58,139 interviewing murders and serial killers, 666 00:34:58,183 --> 00:35:00,533 and produced research on it. 667 00:35:00,576 --> 00:35:05,364 - Profiling generally has to do with an unknown subject 668 00:35:05,407 --> 00:35:09,977 where you're looking at both the psychological dynamics 669 00:35:10,020 --> 00:35:11,370 and the behavioral dynamics 670 00:35:11,457 --> 00:35:13,633 based on the crime and crime scene, 671 00:35:13,720 --> 00:35:17,332 and trying to create, sort of, the composite 672 00:35:17,376 --> 00:35:20,161 of an individual who would commit the crime. 673 00:35:21,554 --> 00:35:23,817 - I think what we're dealing with here is a serial murderer. 674 00:35:23,860 --> 00:35:25,949 The man who commit a crime like this 675 00:35:26,036 --> 00:35:28,561 definitely would have had to been involved 676 00:35:28,648 --> 00:35:29,910 in crimes in the past. 677 00:35:29,997 --> 00:35:31,825 And in all probability will be involved 678 00:35:31,868 --> 00:35:33,740 in crimes like this in the future. 679 00:35:33,827 --> 00:35:36,830 - You know, he made no attempt whatsoever to bury the body. 680 00:35:36,917 --> 00:35:39,833 The river was just a short distance away, 681 00:35:39,876 --> 00:35:40,921 another 175 yards. 682 00:35:41,008 --> 00:35:42,314 He could have dumped her into the river. 683 00:35:42,401 --> 00:35:43,532 There's a strong current. 684 00:35:43,576 --> 00:35:45,143 This is something I think is going to give us 685 00:35:45,186 --> 00:35:46,579 some clues into his personality. 686 00:35:46,666 --> 00:35:47,841 [slow dramatic music] 687 00:35:47,928 --> 00:35:50,322 - The profile that was done on the Green River Killer 688 00:35:50,409 --> 00:35:53,629 was very broad and very general in scope. 689 00:35:54,761 --> 00:35:57,242 - Some things were correct such as, you know, 690 00:35:57,329 --> 00:36:01,550 his age, his race, that he was divorced. 691 00:36:01,637 --> 00:36:06,512 But considering the demographics of Washington 692 00:36:06,555 --> 00:36:09,036 at that time, it's very broad. 693 00:36:10,516 --> 00:36:12,474 - I know it was disappointing at the time, 694 00:36:12,561 --> 00:36:15,564 but the science of profiling at that point 695 00:36:15,651 --> 00:36:17,305 was still very young. 696 00:36:18,393 --> 00:36:19,568 - [Richard] Some of these cases have taken 697 00:36:19,655 --> 00:36:22,919 two and three years or more to eventually solve, 698 00:36:22,963 --> 00:36:25,618 but I am optimistic about this. 699 00:36:25,705 --> 00:36:26,923 - [Interviewer] Will someone else 700 00:36:26,967 --> 00:36:29,012 have to be killed before you can solve it? 701 00:36:29,099 --> 00:36:30,362 - I certainly hope not. 702 00:36:31,624 --> 00:36:34,844 - Between July and October of 1982, 703 00:36:34,931 --> 00:36:40,241 Gary Ridgway was killing three to four women a month. 704 00:36:41,024 --> 00:36:42,069 But because some of these bodies 705 00:36:42,112 --> 00:36:44,767 weren't recovered until years later, 706 00:36:44,854 --> 00:36:47,161 law enforcement really didn't have a good handle 707 00:36:47,248 --> 00:36:51,034 on how many women were going missing. 708 00:36:51,078 --> 00:36:53,385 Meanwhile, we have sex workers 709 00:36:53,428 --> 00:36:57,302 that are extremely fearful for their lives 710 00:36:57,389 --> 00:37:00,348 because they noticed the women that are missing. 711 00:37:01,262 --> 00:37:02,568 - [Woman] Take one, mark. 712 00:37:04,874 --> 00:37:08,356 - I asked him if he was the Green River Killer. 713 00:37:08,443 --> 00:37:14,841 He said nothing, just a plain blank look. 714 00:37:14,928 --> 00:37:16,625 [dramatic music] 715 00:37:16,669 --> 00:37:20,412 I remember those eyes, those beady little eyes. 716 00:37:22,065 --> 00:37:26,244 I am the only survivor of the Green River Killer. 717 00:37:33,729 --> 00:37:37,080 [slow dramatic music] [rain pattering] 718 00:37:37,690 --> 00:37:38,778 - I was 20. 719 00:37:40,519 --> 00:37:42,825 I was getting stressed out 720 00:37:42,869 --> 00:37:45,828 because it was a really bad rainy day. 721 00:37:45,915 --> 00:37:49,136 And I decided to hitchhike. 722 00:37:51,181 --> 00:37:55,055 I got into Gary Ridgway's truck. 723 00:37:55,142 --> 00:37:58,667 [dramatic music] 724 00:37:58,711 --> 00:38:03,803 We had talked and he showed me his ID. 725 00:38:04,586 --> 00:38:07,763 And I knew that he had worked at Kenworth. 726 00:38:07,850 --> 00:38:14,292 And I also started to trust him because I saw the ID. 727 00:38:16,381 --> 00:38:18,992 After all that small chit chat 728 00:38:19,035 --> 00:38:22,865 we went to a area that I knew. 729 00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:33,485 Well, I was making an exchange for a sex act. 730 00:38:35,269 --> 00:38:38,446 He kept telling me to get out of the truck 731 00:38:38,533 --> 00:38:40,361 and go up in the woods. 732 00:38:40,448 --> 00:38:44,844 I kept hesitating and saying I didn't want to, 733 00:38:44,887 --> 00:38:47,020 and why do I have to do that? 734 00:38:48,543 --> 00:38:51,677 So then he gave me the $20. 735 00:38:51,764 --> 00:38:56,334 And so then I decided to go up in the woods. 736 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,426 He did not want sex. 737 00:39:01,469 --> 00:39:05,343 He immediately attacked me and threw me on the ground. 738 00:39:18,138 --> 00:39:22,534 - He had covered my mouth, and the string on the neck. 739 00:39:24,187 --> 00:39:27,234 I tried my hardest to breathe 740 00:39:27,277 --> 00:39:30,063 through my nose, through my eyes. 741 00:39:31,369 --> 00:39:33,588 Things happen so fast. 742 00:39:33,632 --> 00:39:37,070 You just have no time for thinking. 743 00:39:37,157 --> 00:39:39,594 You don't think, you do. 744 00:39:39,638 --> 00:39:40,726 You have to do it. 745 00:39:57,307 --> 00:39:59,397 - I was a fighter to the end. 746 00:39:59,484 --> 00:40:02,748 I was not letting him get the best of me. 747 00:40:03,879 --> 00:40:09,102 I was given some extreme power 748 00:40:09,885 --> 00:40:13,585 to push him away against a tree, 749 00:40:13,672 --> 00:40:17,327 but I had also bit him. 750 00:40:17,415 --> 00:40:23,769 I ran so fast I literally don't remember touching ground. 751 00:40:26,511 --> 00:40:31,603 I found a trailer and they let me in 752 00:40:32,517 --> 00:40:36,216 and I hid there for a long time. 753 00:40:36,303 --> 00:40:37,870 [rain pattering] 754 00:40:37,957 --> 00:40:38,784 [slow dramatic music] 755 00:40:38,827 --> 00:40:41,439 So I got back to my apartment 756 00:40:41,526 --> 00:40:46,618 and I was just totally freaked out for a long time. 757 00:40:48,315 --> 00:40:53,146 Because of the strangulation, I couldn't talk for a week. 758 00:40:55,061 --> 00:40:58,151 I wasn't going nowhere because I kept thinking 759 00:40:58,238 --> 00:41:00,675 that he was out looking for me. 760 00:41:00,762 --> 00:41:03,678 And that was the weirdest feeling, 761 00:41:03,722 --> 00:41:06,812 to not feel safe out in public. 762 00:41:07,726 --> 00:41:10,380 I didn't tell anybody for a long time. 763 00:41:11,773 --> 00:41:14,210 - She didn't initially report what had happened to her. 764 00:41:14,297 --> 00:41:16,561 You know, she was engaged in prostitution. 765 00:41:16,604 --> 00:41:19,085 So she herself was committing a crime. 766 00:41:19,172 --> 00:41:21,566 Ridgway told us that many of the women he picked up 767 00:41:21,653 --> 00:41:24,220 asked him whether or not he was the Green River Killer. 768 00:41:24,264 --> 00:41:25,352 And he would say, you know, 769 00:41:25,439 --> 00:41:27,049 "Do I look like the Green River Killer? 770 00:41:27,136 --> 00:41:27,920 "Look at me. 771 00:41:28,007 --> 00:41:29,182 "I'm not a very big guy. 772 00:41:29,269 --> 00:41:31,227 "I'm not that strong." 773 00:41:31,271 --> 00:41:33,708 What Ridgway was doing was very cunning, 774 00:41:33,795 --> 00:41:36,624 it was very deliberate, and it was very premeditated. 775 00:41:37,799 --> 00:41:39,801 - There are so many things he doesn't do well, 776 00:41:39,888 --> 00:41:44,327 but this one particular thing, killing young women 777 00:41:44,414 --> 00:41:47,069 is something that he perfected. 778 00:41:47,113 --> 00:41:48,114 - He was killing so frequently, 779 00:41:48,201 --> 00:41:50,725 within days, weeks of each other. 780 00:41:50,812 --> 00:41:53,206 There were just so many victims during that time 781 00:41:53,293 --> 00:41:56,035 that he appeared to be really out of control. 782 00:42:02,824 --> 00:42:03,869 [slow dramatic music] 783 00:42:03,956 --> 00:42:05,697 - Everybody thought the Green River case 784 00:42:05,740 --> 00:42:07,089 was never going to get solved. 785 00:42:07,133 --> 00:42:10,876 But then Rebecca Garde had the courage to come forward. 786 00:42:14,444 --> 00:42:16,229 - Ted Bundy was on death row. 787 00:42:16,272 --> 00:42:18,405 And he offered to share his thoughts 788 00:42:18,448 --> 00:42:20,102 about who the serial killer known 789 00:42:20,189 --> 00:42:22,235 as the Green River Killer was. 790 00:42:28,502 --> 00:42:31,549 - By 1985, BTK had disappeared. 791 00:42:31,636 --> 00:42:33,246 And then he kills his neighbor. 792 00:42:33,289 --> 00:42:35,074 - [Reporter] 53-year-old Marine Hedge 793 00:42:35,161 --> 00:42:36,684 was last seen a week ago. 794 00:42:36,771 --> 00:42:39,818 There are very few clues to work with on this case. 795 00:42:39,905 --> 00:42:42,821 - Dahmer specifically targeted victims 796 00:42:42,908 --> 00:42:46,128 who were very small, so he knew he could overpower them. 797 00:42:46,215 --> 00:42:48,478 Konerak was only 14 years old. 798 00:42:48,566 --> 00:42:49,654 - [Dispatcher] Fire Department. 799 00:42:49,697 --> 00:42:51,307 - [Caller] This butt-naked young boy, 800 00:42:51,394 --> 00:42:52,918 he's been beaten up real bad 801 00:42:53,005 --> 00:42:54,006 and he has no clothes on. 802 00:42:54,093 --> 00:42:54,920 He's very hurt. 803 00:42:54,963 --> 00:42:56,138 - We kept trying to tell them, 804 00:42:56,182 --> 00:42:57,792 "But he's a kid, he's a kid. 805 00:42:57,879 --> 00:43:00,795 He said, "Well, he's telling us he's not a kid. 806 00:43:00,839 --> 00:43:04,190 "So who should we believe?" 807 00:43:04,277 --> 00:43:06,105 Believe the white guy. 63687

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