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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:06,789 [eerie ambient music] 2 00:00:08,269 --> 00:00:12,360 - It's hard to believe that someone could slip in 3 00:00:13,448 --> 00:00:16,538 and abduct a young woman 4 00:00:18,409 --> 00:00:19,845 right out of her bedroom 5 00:00:19,889 --> 00:00:22,500 and without anybody hearing a thing, 6 00:00:24,894 --> 00:00:27,201 but that's what happened. 7 00:00:27,244 --> 00:00:30,726 [intense ambient music] 8 00:00:35,035 --> 00:00:37,863 - [Director] All right, so let's roll sound. 9 00:00:37,907 --> 00:00:39,430 - [Audio Engineer] Sound speeds. 10 00:00:39,474 --> 00:00:41,041 - [Director] And AVP. 11 00:00:41,911 --> 00:00:43,304 - [Male Crewmember] We're good, Stephanie. 12 00:00:43,347 --> 00:00:46,568 - When we talk about the golden age of serial killers, 13 00:00:46,611 --> 00:00:49,788 it all started in the early to mid '70s 14 00:00:49,832 --> 00:00:51,747 with this group of five. 15 00:00:52,791 --> 00:00:55,707 Like Gacy and 33 bodies under his house. 16 00:00:56,621 --> 00:00:59,015 Bundy traveling across the country. 17 00:00:59,755 --> 00:01:02,497 Rader terrorizing over decades 18 00:01:02,540 --> 00:01:05,587 and taunting law enforcement and the media. 19 00:01:06,762 --> 00:01:08,068 Jeffrey Dahmer. 20 00:01:08,111 --> 00:01:10,722 Even today, we find his crimes 21 00:01:10,766 --> 00:01:14,074 to be on the extreme end of human behavior. 22 00:01:15,162 --> 00:01:17,816 Gary Ridgway, the Green River Killer, 23 00:01:17,860 --> 00:01:23,126 confessed to 71 murders over the course of several decades. 24 00:01:24,127 --> 00:01:26,303 - Five of the most prolific serial killers 25 00:01:26,347 --> 00:01:30,655 in American history were all operating at the same time. 26 00:01:30,699 --> 00:01:32,527 - It's easy for us in hindsight to say, 27 00:01:32,570 --> 00:01:34,790 well, why didn't that person get caught, 28 00:01:34,833 --> 00:01:37,793 or why weren't people looking for them? 29 00:01:37,836 --> 00:01:41,623 I think we have to keep in mind historically, the era. 30 00:01:43,799 --> 00:01:45,757 - In the '70s in the United States 31 00:01:45,801 --> 00:01:48,804 was an innocent sort of place. 32 00:01:48,847 --> 00:01:53,113 - You find this sort of trusting environment. 33 00:01:53,156 --> 00:01:54,288 - It was normal for people 34 00:01:54,331 --> 00:01:55,941 to just hang out with strangers 35 00:01:55,985 --> 00:01:57,726 and to hop into strange cars. 36 00:01:58,988 --> 00:02:00,772 - [Reporter] The murder of people in series 37 00:02:00,816 --> 00:02:03,297 has police departments across this country worried. 38 00:02:03,340 --> 00:02:05,821 - Law enforcement didn't have a definition 39 00:02:05,864 --> 00:02:07,475 for serial killers. 40 00:02:07,518 --> 00:02:09,781 - Those police officers back in the '70s 41 00:02:09,825 --> 00:02:11,653 just simply did not have the tools 42 00:02:11,696 --> 00:02:14,308 that law enforcement officers have now. 43 00:02:15,439 --> 00:02:18,181 - Being able to quickly run a name in a database, 44 00:02:18,225 --> 00:02:19,704 that's something that didn't exist. 45 00:02:19,748 --> 00:02:21,097 - There were no computers. 46 00:02:21,141 --> 00:02:22,316 - No internet. 47 00:02:22,359 --> 00:02:23,665 - No cell phones. 48 00:02:23,708 --> 00:02:24,840 - No DNA. 49 00:02:24,883 --> 00:02:26,407 - There were no surveillance cameras. 50 00:02:26,450 --> 00:02:28,670 - Record keeping was in the back of everybody's drawer. 51 00:02:28,713 --> 00:02:32,326 - We didn't yet have the 9-1-1 system. 52 00:02:32,369 --> 00:02:35,851 And these killers took full advantage of that. 53 00:02:35,894 --> 00:02:37,157 - [Male Reporter] John Wayne Gacy's criminal-- 54 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:38,332 - [Male Reporter] Ted Bundy is still alive-- 55 00:02:38,375 --> 00:02:39,376 - [Female Reporter] BTK might-- 56 00:02:39,420 --> 00:02:40,595 - [Male Reporter] Jeffrey Dahmer-- 57 00:02:40,638 --> 00:02:41,509 - [Female Reporter] Green River Killer. 58 00:02:41,552 --> 00:02:45,252 [intense orchestral music] 59 00:02:47,689 --> 00:02:48,994 Georgann Hawkins. - Steven Tuomi. 60 00:02:49,038 --> 00:02:50,474 - Lynda Ann Healy. - Kathryn Bright. 61 00:02:50,518 --> 00:02:51,562 - [Female Speaker] Steven Hicks. 62 00:02:51,606 --> 00:02:53,477 [voices overlapping] 63 00:02:53,521 --> 00:02:54,870 - [Female Speaker] Shirley Vian. 64 00:02:57,177 --> 00:03:00,484 - He took me by the shoulder and said, "Follow me." 65 00:03:01,529 --> 00:03:04,184 Threatened to kill me if I didn't comply. 66 00:03:04,227 --> 00:03:07,491 - I thought that he was just a normal man. 67 00:03:07,535 --> 00:03:08,927 And I was just thinking, 68 00:03:08,971 --> 00:03:11,626 I'm gonna get home and everything's gonna be fine. 69 00:03:12,975 --> 00:03:16,370 Little did I know it was gonna be my worst nightmare. 70 00:03:17,284 --> 00:03:18,241 - We kept trying to tell him, 71 00:03:18,285 --> 00:03:20,112 but he's a kid, he's a kid. 72 00:03:20,156 --> 00:03:23,115 He said, "Well, he's telling us he's not a kid, 73 00:03:23,159 --> 00:03:24,987 so who should we believe?" 74 00:03:26,293 --> 00:03:27,816 Believe the white guy. 75 00:03:29,948 --> 00:03:31,515 - These five killers 76 00:03:31,559 --> 00:03:36,694 don't come across to the outside world as frothing lunatics. 77 00:03:37,042 --> 00:03:38,566 - And you could sit next to him on a bus, 78 00:03:38,609 --> 00:03:40,045 or a train, or a plane. 79 00:03:40,089 --> 00:03:41,699 You would never associate them 80 00:03:41,743 --> 00:03:44,528 with being the worst serial killers in US history. 81 00:03:45,790 --> 00:03:49,838 - Deep down inside is a monster that you could never see. 82 00:03:50,708 --> 00:03:54,408 [intense orchestral music] 83 00:04:05,114 --> 00:04:06,550 - My mother had told me 84 00:04:06,594 --> 00:04:08,596 that the only thing she ever prayed for for herself 85 00:04:10,293 --> 00:04:12,600 was to die peacefully in her sleep. 86 00:04:18,475 --> 00:04:21,261 And that's the one thing she did not get. 87 00:04:27,528 --> 00:04:29,443 - Wichita was a very calm city. 88 00:04:29,486 --> 00:04:34,448 A city back in 1974 of roughly 300,000 people 89 00:04:34,491 --> 00:04:36,450 with a large agricultural base. 90 00:04:37,364 --> 00:04:38,452 We didn't think about crime. 91 00:04:38,495 --> 00:04:39,975 Nobody thought about crime. 92 00:04:40,018 --> 00:04:41,890 Crime happened in the big city. 93 00:04:41,933 --> 00:04:45,807 Crime did not happen in Wichita, Kansas. 94 00:04:48,113 --> 00:04:49,158 [slate claps] 95 00:04:50,159 --> 00:04:51,726 - My family was a loving, 96 00:04:51,769 --> 00:04:55,033 caring family of typical Americans. 97 00:04:56,339 --> 00:04:59,560 My mother and my father were childhood sweethearts. 98 00:05:00,343 --> 00:05:02,171 My mom was a good Catholic girl. 99 00:05:02,214 --> 00:05:03,781 That is why there was five of us, 100 00:05:03,825 --> 00:05:05,827 one after the other after the other. 101 00:05:12,573 --> 00:05:14,923 I remember walking home. 102 00:05:14,966 --> 00:05:18,318 I remember the snow being almost knee deep. 103 00:05:19,406 --> 00:05:23,192 Opened up the back gate to the yard 104 00:05:23,235 --> 00:05:25,586 and I saw my dog Lucky outside. 105 00:05:26,630 --> 00:05:28,937 So I said, "Hey, lucky, 106 00:05:28,980 --> 00:05:30,373 what are you doing out here, boy? 107 00:05:30,417 --> 00:05:31,200 You okay? 108 00:05:31,243 --> 00:05:32,636 Come on." 109 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:37,337 I opened up the kitchen door and there was no sound, 110 00:05:38,642 --> 00:05:39,600 nobody. 111 00:05:40,427 --> 00:05:41,471 And so I was like, 112 00:05:41,515 --> 00:05:44,648 I yelled out, "Is anybody here?" 113 00:05:44,692 --> 00:05:47,738 And one of my siblings yelled out, 114 00:05:47,782 --> 00:05:49,044 "Charlie, come quick. 115 00:05:49,087 --> 00:05:51,351 Mom and dad are playing a bad trick on us." 116 00:05:53,091 --> 00:05:54,658 I ran down the hall, 117 00:05:55,616 --> 00:05:59,402 went through the door in their bedroom, 118 00:05:59,446 --> 00:06:04,712 and saw my mom and my dad there tied up 119 00:06:05,060 --> 00:06:06,409 and dead. 120 00:06:06,453 --> 00:06:09,891 [intense ambient music] 121 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,896 I could smell the fear and the pain 122 00:06:14,939 --> 00:06:16,201 that they had gone through. 123 00:06:16,245 --> 00:06:18,073 I could feel it all in the room. 124 00:06:19,074 --> 00:06:20,728 The physical pain is like, 125 00:06:20,771 --> 00:06:22,991 if somebody pried your chest open. 126 00:06:54,588 --> 00:06:56,590 - The police had responded to the house. 127 00:06:56,633 --> 00:06:57,721 They opened a spare bedroom 128 00:06:57,765 --> 00:06:59,680 and that's where they found Joey Jr. 129 00:07:01,246 --> 00:07:03,901 - The police believe that he sat on the chair 130 00:07:03,945 --> 00:07:06,251 and watched the child suffocate. 131 00:07:06,295 --> 00:07:08,863 And every time I think about that, 132 00:07:11,518 --> 00:07:13,128 it's tough, you know? 133 00:07:15,913 --> 00:07:18,742 - So then, the search was on for Josephine. 134 00:07:18,786 --> 00:07:19,917 That's when the officers realized, 135 00:07:19,961 --> 00:07:21,528 this house has a basement. 136 00:07:25,009 --> 00:07:26,924 An officer went down there, 137 00:07:26,968 --> 00:07:28,926 he didn't know where the lights were, 138 00:07:28,970 --> 00:07:30,928 and he was kind of sweeping his arm, 139 00:07:30,972 --> 00:07:33,278 trying to not bump into something. 140 00:07:33,322 --> 00:07:34,932 And he went against something 141 00:07:34,976 --> 00:07:37,718 that he thought was a punching bag hanging from the ceiling. 142 00:07:38,980 --> 00:07:40,677 And then when he found a light, 143 00:07:40,721 --> 00:07:45,116 it was Josephine who had been hung from a sewer pipe 144 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:46,814 in the basement of the house. 145 00:07:49,251 --> 00:07:51,079 - She will really struggle. 146 00:07:51,819 --> 00:07:53,951 And then as she struggles, 147 00:07:53,995 --> 00:07:56,911 he will describe masturbating. 148 00:07:58,869 --> 00:08:00,567 - If I'd have seen Joey and Josie, 149 00:08:00,610 --> 00:08:02,177 it might've drove me mad. 150 00:08:03,483 --> 00:08:04,527 Thank God I didn't see it. 151 00:08:04,571 --> 00:08:05,485 Thank God. 152 00:08:08,575 --> 00:08:10,533 - The crime scenes back in the '70s 153 00:08:10,577 --> 00:08:12,796 are not like they are now. 154 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:14,319 The Otero crime scene, 155 00:08:14,363 --> 00:08:18,193 that is a crime scene that would never happen today. 156 00:08:18,236 --> 00:08:21,675 You had members of the media wandering through the house. 157 00:08:21,718 --> 00:08:23,546 You even had a uh, 158 00:08:23,590 --> 00:08:25,548 higher up official in the police department 159 00:08:25,592 --> 00:08:28,464 decide to make himself a drink of water. 160 00:08:28,508 --> 00:08:32,076 And so he had left the ice tray on the counter. 161 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:33,251 And so people thought, 162 00:08:33,295 --> 00:08:35,166 well, the ice hadn't melted completely, 163 00:08:35,210 --> 00:08:38,126 so that must've been the killer who did it. 164 00:08:40,215 --> 00:08:43,044 - Back in 1974, we couldn't even spell DNA. 165 00:08:43,087 --> 00:08:45,655 The technology didn't exist back then. 166 00:08:45,699 --> 00:08:49,572 But at Josephine's feet, there was a pool. 167 00:08:49,616 --> 00:08:54,185 The crime scene investigator had an incredible imagination 168 00:08:54,229 --> 00:08:55,360 'cause he didn't know what it was. 169 00:08:55,404 --> 00:08:57,058 He didn't know what its value was, 170 00:08:57,101 --> 00:08:58,799 but he knew he wanted to preserve it. 171 00:08:58,842 --> 00:09:00,714 So he took a pillowcase 172 00:09:00,757 --> 00:09:03,107 and he cut it up into several small pieces. 173 00:09:03,151 --> 00:09:05,849 And then he dipped it in that pool. 174 00:09:05,893 --> 00:09:07,024 31 years later, 175 00:09:07,068 --> 00:09:08,896 a genetic profile would be drawn 176 00:09:08,939 --> 00:09:12,595 from one of those preserved pieces of evidence. 177 00:09:12,639 --> 00:09:15,903 - The police department thought at first 178 00:09:15,946 --> 00:09:17,426 that this was a drug murder. 179 00:09:17,469 --> 00:09:20,037 They took several people into custody 180 00:09:20,081 --> 00:09:23,911 and it turned out they weren't related to the case at all. 181 00:09:23,954 --> 00:09:25,913 - In 1974, 182 00:09:25,956 --> 00:09:29,743 the idea that someone would kill for pleasure 183 00:09:29,786 --> 00:09:31,266 was unheard of. 184 00:09:31,309 --> 00:09:35,836 It just wasn't something that existed in anyone's mind. 185 00:09:36,532 --> 00:09:38,055 - There had to be some motive. 186 00:09:38,099 --> 00:09:40,884 Why does somebody just pick out this family 187 00:09:40,928 --> 00:09:42,756 and slaughter four people? 188 00:09:42,799 --> 00:09:45,889 And so a lot of opinions were sought 189 00:09:45,933 --> 00:09:47,587 from psychologists of the day, 190 00:09:47,630 --> 00:09:49,763 thinking that they would have some insight 191 00:09:49,806 --> 00:09:53,462 as to what would motivate a person to do this. 192 00:09:59,207 --> 00:10:01,426 - Dennis Rader, as a child, 193 00:10:01,470 --> 00:10:04,952 had a perfectly normal upbringing. 194 00:10:06,562 --> 00:10:09,130 He said, "I was never abused. 195 00:10:09,173 --> 00:10:11,611 Everything was normal in my family." 196 00:10:13,308 --> 00:10:14,788 But then he says, 197 00:10:14,831 --> 00:10:20,054 "I knew from a young age that I had factor X." 198 00:10:22,186 --> 00:10:27,148 "Factor X is the demon inside of me," he says, 199 00:10:27,191 --> 00:10:32,501 "That caused me to have to torture people and kill people." 200 00:10:54,654 --> 00:10:57,700 - Rader will describe a specific incident 201 00:10:57,744 --> 00:10:58,962 when he was a kid 202 00:10:59,006 --> 00:11:01,269 where he was at some kind of family outing, 203 00:11:01,312 --> 00:11:04,794 and they tied a chicken to a tree stump 204 00:11:04,838 --> 00:11:06,753 in order to kill the chicken. 205 00:11:07,797 --> 00:11:11,714 And the tying of the chicken to that stump 206 00:11:11,758 --> 00:11:13,455 caused him to have 207 00:11:13,498 --> 00:11:16,023 what he would describe as sexual feelings. 208 00:11:31,429 --> 00:11:36,565 - Dennis Rader was cultivating this persona of churchgoer. 209 00:11:36,608 --> 00:11:37,827 He was married. 210 00:11:37,871 --> 00:11:39,742 He was relatively young. 211 00:11:39,786 --> 00:11:41,744 He was 28 years old. 212 00:11:41,788 --> 00:11:42,963 Relatively handsome. 213 00:11:43,006 --> 00:11:45,748 So he should have everything going for him. 214 00:11:45,792 --> 00:11:50,579 And so when he loses this job in 1973, 215 00:11:50,622 --> 00:11:51,623 things weren't perfect. 216 00:11:51,667 --> 00:11:53,625 He was not in control. 217 00:11:53,669 --> 00:11:58,935 And some ways that people may try to over-correct for that 218 00:11:58,979 --> 00:12:03,200 is by gaining control in some other aspect of their life. 219 00:12:03,244 --> 00:12:05,507 And you know, perhaps it triggered 220 00:12:05,550 --> 00:12:09,076 his need to control something or someone. 221 00:12:10,077 --> 00:12:12,079 - When the Otero family was killed, 222 00:12:12,122 --> 00:12:13,776 the way he tells it, 223 00:12:13,820 --> 00:12:16,910 he was between jobs, was bored, 224 00:12:16,953 --> 00:12:19,129 didn't feel good about himself, 225 00:12:19,173 --> 00:12:21,088 so factor X came out. 226 00:12:22,089 --> 00:12:24,613 [intense ambient music] 227 00:12:30,140 --> 00:12:32,490 - When you look back at the first known kills 228 00:12:32,534 --> 00:12:34,449 for these five serial killers, 229 00:12:34,492 --> 00:12:35,798 you have to understand that 230 00:12:35,842 --> 00:12:40,194 they have been fantasizing about killing 231 00:12:40,237 --> 00:12:41,761 for a long time. 232 00:12:41,804 --> 00:12:46,635 It starts with developing victim profiles in their head. 233 00:12:47,157 --> 00:12:49,290 Where they would get these victims, 234 00:12:49,333 --> 00:12:51,248 how they would control them. 235 00:12:52,336 --> 00:12:55,644 Rader's life centered around a lot of fantasy, 236 00:12:55,687 --> 00:12:59,126 but you can only fantasize so long 237 00:12:59,169 --> 00:13:02,651 before you cross that line. 238 00:13:02,694 --> 00:13:05,654 And that was the case with John Wayne Gacy. 239 00:13:07,961 --> 00:13:11,921 [intense ambient music] 240 00:13:11,965 --> 00:13:13,488 - In my mind, 241 00:13:13,531 --> 00:13:15,795 John Gacy was the worst kind of a killer you can imagine. 242 00:13:17,797 --> 00:13:21,148 You know, like a shark swimming around down there. 243 00:13:23,541 --> 00:13:24,455 He would lay his eyes on 244 00:13:24,499 --> 00:13:26,327 somebody walking down the street. 245 00:13:27,197 --> 00:13:30,810 And then in his mind, that person was dead. 246 00:13:31,636 --> 00:13:34,683 [dramatic music] 247 00:13:42,430 --> 00:13:46,521 John Gacy frequented homosexual areas in Chicago. 248 00:13:46,564 --> 00:13:48,088 There was a couple of areas, 249 00:13:48,131 --> 00:13:50,394 one called Bughouse Square and the other called Boystown. 250 00:13:50,655 --> 00:13:51,743 He patrolled down there. 251 00:13:51,787 --> 00:13:54,268 I mean, he would go around the block, 252 00:13:54,311 --> 00:13:56,531 looking for somebody to pick up. 253 00:13:57,837 --> 00:13:58,881 He had a black Oldsmobile 254 00:13:58,925 --> 00:14:01,536 with a spotlight on the driver's side. 255 00:14:01,579 --> 00:14:03,581 He had some phony badges. 256 00:14:03,625 --> 00:14:05,366 A lot of the kids that he picked up, 257 00:14:05,409 --> 00:14:07,281 a lot of them were homosexuals. 258 00:14:07,324 --> 00:14:09,326 Many of them, he took to his house. 259 00:14:10,371 --> 00:14:13,026 And many of them, that was a one-way trip. 260 00:14:13,069 --> 00:14:16,725 [intense electronic music] 261 00:14:18,596 --> 00:14:22,339 - Gacy picked up 16-year-old Timothy Jack McCoy 262 00:14:22,383 --> 00:14:24,385 at the Greyhound bus station. 263 00:14:26,126 --> 00:14:27,431 - According to Gacy, 264 00:14:27,475 --> 00:14:29,869 what happened was he offered him money for sex. 265 00:14:30,913 --> 00:14:32,872 He got him back to his house, Gacy's house. 266 00:14:33,655 --> 00:14:34,830 When he was in bed, 267 00:14:34,874 --> 00:14:37,050 they did what they did with one another. 268 00:14:38,268 --> 00:14:39,922 - He wakes up in the morning 269 00:14:39,966 --> 00:14:42,055 and the kid's standing at the foot of his bed 270 00:14:42,098 --> 00:14:44,361 with a big butcher knife in his hand. 271 00:14:45,580 --> 00:14:48,235 And he thinks the kid's coming after him to attack him. 272 00:14:52,717 --> 00:14:56,243 He jumps out of bed, fights with him 273 00:14:57,635 --> 00:14:59,420 takes the knife away from him, 274 00:15:00,464 --> 00:15:02,771 and stabbed him in the heart twice. 275 00:15:04,512 --> 00:15:05,426 Killed him. 276 00:15:07,428 --> 00:15:08,777 - What's interesting about this 277 00:15:08,820 --> 00:15:10,822 is that for most normal people, 278 00:15:10,866 --> 00:15:12,781 you would probably call somebody 279 00:15:12,824 --> 00:15:15,088 because now you've just killed somebody. 280 00:15:16,176 --> 00:15:19,440 And Gacy reports being aroused 281 00:15:19,483 --> 00:15:23,096 and orgasming in this most intense way. 282 00:15:24,488 --> 00:15:25,794 - He goes into the kitchen, 283 00:15:25,837 --> 00:15:28,449 and there, the kid's been preparing breakfast. 284 00:15:28,492 --> 00:15:30,451 He was slicing the bacon. 285 00:15:30,494 --> 00:15:31,756 These are Gacy's words, 286 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:33,715 but he said that he probably wanted to know 287 00:15:33,758 --> 00:15:35,935 how thick I wanted my bacon sliced. 288 00:15:35,978 --> 00:15:39,329 But unfortunately, he didn't take it that way at the time, 289 00:15:39,373 --> 00:15:43,638 and he says, defended himself and killed him. 290 00:15:45,161 --> 00:15:46,815 Buried him in the crawl space. 291 00:15:49,861 --> 00:15:52,473 - This is when Gacy crosses over, 292 00:15:52,516 --> 00:15:54,649 when he has his first kill. 293 00:15:54,692 --> 00:16:00,655 And now, he recognizes that powerful arousal component 294 00:16:00,698 --> 00:16:03,614 of controlling somebody's life, 295 00:16:03,658 --> 00:16:05,268 essentially playing God, 296 00:16:05,312 --> 00:16:07,967 deciding whether they live or die. 297 00:16:08,010 --> 00:16:09,272 And that's where 298 00:16:09,316 --> 00:16:12,275 he then starts this collection of young men 299 00:16:12,319 --> 00:16:15,409 who he tortures as a sexual sadist 300 00:16:15,452 --> 00:16:16,845 and eventually kills. 301 00:16:19,065 --> 00:16:21,502 So when we look back at the serial killers, 302 00:16:21,545 --> 00:16:26,159 we're typically looking for a triggering event. 303 00:16:26,202 --> 00:16:27,987 But in Gacy's life, 304 00:16:28,030 --> 00:16:31,860 there was, I think, a series of things that were going on. 305 00:16:35,733 --> 00:16:39,346 - John Gacy was given the middle name of Wayne. 306 00:16:39,389 --> 00:16:42,001 His father wanted his son to be this tough guy 307 00:16:42,044 --> 00:16:44,090 named after this hero cowboy, 308 00:16:44,133 --> 00:16:45,830 just like John Wayne. 309 00:16:46,875 --> 00:16:49,051 Well, when his son wanted to spend more time 310 00:16:49,095 --> 00:16:51,358 with his mother and do more gardening, 311 00:16:51,401 --> 00:16:54,752 Gacy's father would verbally assault, 312 00:16:54,796 --> 00:16:56,015 emotionally assault, 313 00:16:56,058 --> 00:16:59,018 and physically assault John Wayne Gacy Jr. 314 00:17:01,411 --> 00:17:04,632 - John Wayne Gacy, around the age of four or five, 315 00:17:04,675 --> 00:17:08,070 is at home upstairs with a neighbor girl 316 00:17:08,114 --> 00:17:09,289 who was much older than him, 317 00:17:09,332 --> 00:17:11,030 a teenage girl. 318 00:17:11,726 --> 00:17:14,468 And apparently, she was fondling his genitals 319 00:17:14,511 --> 00:17:16,818 or touching him in sort of a sexual way. 320 00:17:16,861 --> 00:17:20,039 Well, both mothers come upstairs and discover this. 321 00:17:21,257 --> 00:17:25,348 The mother of the girl strikes her in front of Gacy. 322 00:17:26,349 --> 00:17:29,309 A moment like this is really significant 323 00:17:29,352 --> 00:17:34,749 in that you have sexuality being joined with shame, 324 00:17:34,792 --> 00:17:38,753 being joined with physical aggression. 325 00:17:38,796 --> 00:17:40,624 A combination like that 326 00:17:40,668 --> 00:17:43,932 would produce someone who is capable of acting in a way 327 00:17:43,975 --> 00:17:47,240 that is both sexual, and aggressive, and shame inducing. 328 00:17:47,283 --> 00:17:50,069 And that's exactly what John Wayne Gacy did. 329 00:17:51,896 --> 00:17:53,072 [slate clicks] 330 00:17:55,596 --> 00:17:57,641 - I was molested when I was a boy. 331 00:17:58,947 --> 00:18:03,821 It's hard to think back on it and admit it ever happened. 332 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:08,957 It takes away from how you look at yourself as a male. 333 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:10,219 And that was part of the reason 334 00:18:10,263 --> 00:18:14,441 I never told anybody for all those decades. 335 00:18:21,056 --> 00:18:26,148 When I was nine or 10 years old in 1956, 336 00:18:26,192 --> 00:18:31,458 my mother and I went up to resort in Elkhorn, Wisconsin. 337 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,072 A fellow named John, he was about 16. 338 00:18:37,116 --> 00:18:39,466 He worked there, he did odd jobs. 339 00:18:42,295 --> 00:18:45,950 I didn't have any buddies up there to spend time with 340 00:18:45,994 --> 00:18:48,866 and so he befriended me. 341 00:18:48,910 --> 00:18:50,433 He had some time off 342 00:18:50,477 --> 00:18:53,480 and he wanted to know if I wanted to go in a boat with him. 343 00:18:53,523 --> 00:18:54,916 So he took me out in a boat. 344 00:18:54,959 --> 00:18:56,961 I'd never been in a rowboat before, 345 00:18:57,005 --> 00:19:00,487 so that was fun for a little nine or 10 year old boy. 346 00:19:02,576 --> 00:19:04,012 We tied up the boat. 347 00:19:06,928 --> 00:19:11,976 He ah, he took me in the thicket and um, 348 00:19:14,370 --> 00:19:16,155 ah, he did a terrible thing. 349 00:19:16,198 --> 00:19:17,504 He did a terrible thing. 350 00:19:20,420 --> 00:19:23,814 He took me by the shoulder and said, "Follow me," 351 00:19:23,858 --> 00:19:26,556 threatened to kill me if I didn't comply. 352 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:30,038 And I turned around. 353 00:19:30,081 --> 00:19:32,171 He said, "Open your mouth." 354 00:19:35,304 --> 00:19:40,353 I opened my mouth and um, 355 00:19:44,008 --> 00:19:45,706 that's what happened. 356 00:19:46,924 --> 00:19:50,885 Thank God it was over quickly. 357 00:19:51,755 --> 00:19:52,887 It was over quickly. 358 00:19:56,195 --> 00:19:57,587 Is a person born evil? 359 00:19:57,631 --> 00:19:59,023 Do they become evil? 360 00:19:59,067 --> 00:20:00,895 I don't have an answer for that. 361 00:20:02,418 --> 00:20:06,901 - Serial sexual killers do not snap at 30 years of age 362 00:20:06,944 --> 00:20:08,642 and become serial killers. 363 00:20:08,685 --> 00:20:10,209 It evolves over time. 364 00:20:10,252 --> 00:20:12,733 And that time begins when they're quite young. 365 00:20:14,822 --> 00:20:19,696 As that desire for these violent sexual fantasies continue, 366 00:20:19,740 --> 00:20:23,091 offenders can look for more and more opportunities 367 00:20:23,134 --> 00:20:27,226 to satisfy those urges and compulsions. 368 00:20:31,578 --> 00:20:33,188 - In the 1960s, 369 00:20:33,232 --> 00:20:37,758 Gacy started edging closer and closer to murder. 370 00:20:37,801 --> 00:20:41,936 He had sexual relations with teenagers, underage kids. 371 00:20:41,979 --> 00:20:43,764 This was his MO out there. 372 00:20:46,506 --> 00:20:49,204 One of these young kids was Donald Voorhees Jr. 373 00:20:50,074 --> 00:20:53,295 He was the son of a state representative in Iowa. 374 00:20:54,253 --> 00:20:56,733 Gacy would show him some stag films. 375 00:20:57,821 --> 00:21:01,129 They did have sexual acts together numerous times. 376 00:21:03,349 --> 00:21:06,743 - When the boy finally told his father what had happened, 377 00:21:06,787 --> 00:21:08,789 his father went right to the state police 378 00:21:08,832 --> 00:21:12,619 and demanded that Gacy be arrested and tried. 379 00:21:13,663 --> 00:21:15,274 - He was charged with sodomy 380 00:21:15,317 --> 00:21:17,145 of a 15 year old boy. 381 00:21:18,364 --> 00:21:19,321 - They threw the book at him. 382 00:21:19,365 --> 00:21:21,149 He got get the maximum 10 years. 383 00:21:22,498 --> 00:21:23,369 - Well, I'm John Gacy. 384 00:21:23,412 --> 00:21:25,022 I'm from Waterloo, Iowa. 385 00:21:25,066 --> 00:21:27,460 - [Interviewer] And you're a man of them authority here. 386 00:21:27,503 --> 00:21:28,809 What is your title? 387 00:21:28,852 --> 00:21:30,419 - Well, I'm first cook. 388 00:21:31,551 --> 00:21:36,469 - Gacy was not only a model prisoner at Anamosa. 389 00:21:37,470 --> 00:21:38,993 He almost seemed to run the prison. 390 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:44,259 The parole board looked at Gacy's actions within the prison 391 00:21:44,303 --> 00:21:45,391 and said, well, okay, 392 00:21:45,434 --> 00:21:47,349 he could probably be a model citizen. 393 00:21:47,393 --> 00:21:48,481 Let's release him. 394 00:21:51,048 --> 00:21:52,833 Out of his 10 year sentence, 395 00:21:52,876 --> 00:21:55,836 Gacy only served 18 months. 396 00:21:58,839 --> 00:22:00,188 - In the 1970s, 397 00:22:00,231 --> 00:22:03,278 there was no such thing as a sex offender registry. 398 00:22:03,322 --> 00:22:05,193 It just didn't exist. 399 00:22:05,236 --> 00:22:09,545 So essentially, Gacy is allowed to go to Chicago 400 00:22:09,589 --> 00:22:13,332 and begin his life with a clean slate. 401 00:22:15,159 --> 00:22:17,336 - If Gacy had served his full sentence, 402 00:22:17,379 --> 00:22:18,859 that would have brought about 403 00:22:18,902 --> 00:22:22,863 one of the great ironies and sad ironies to this case, 404 00:22:22,906 --> 00:22:27,520 meaning that 33 young lives would not be gone. 405 00:22:35,571 --> 00:22:38,182 - The case stands out because it was so brazen. 406 00:22:38,226 --> 00:22:39,270 I mean, there were other 407 00:22:39,314 --> 00:22:41,838 roommates in the home at the time. 408 00:22:41,882 --> 00:22:43,492 No one heard anything. 409 00:22:44,450 --> 00:22:47,366 It was hard to believe that someone could slip in 410 00:22:48,889 --> 00:22:53,502 and abduct a young woman right out of her bedroom 411 00:22:54,634 --> 00:22:56,375 without anybody hearing a thing. 412 00:22:58,420 --> 00:23:00,379 But that's what happened. 413 00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:06,385 [downbeat rock music] 414 00:23:08,909 --> 00:23:13,217 - In 1974, there was a new freedom for women. 415 00:23:13,261 --> 00:23:15,263 Law schools, medical schools, 416 00:23:15,306 --> 00:23:19,006 you know, were forced to admit women and people of color. 417 00:23:19,049 --> 00:23:20,790 And it was about time. 418 00:23:20,834 --> 00:23:23,532 It was a time when you could aspire to anything. 419 00:23:27,144 --> 00:23:28,668 - In 1974, 420 00:23:28,711 --> 00:23:32,323 Ted Bundy was a graduate of the University of Washington 421 00:23:32,367 --> 00:23:34,238 and he was attending law school, 422 00:23:34,282 --> 00:23:38,199 but living in the University of Washington District. 423 00:23:38,242 --> 00:23:40,027 He wanted to be a famous lawyer, 424 00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:41,768 he wanted to be a politician. 425 00:23:41,811 --> 00:23:44,640 He was trying to become 426 00:23:44,684 --> 00:23:48,949 an up-and-comer among people he admired. 427 00:23:54,824 --> 00:23:56,086 - Lynda Healy. 428 00:23:56,130 --> 00:23:58,611 She was a University of Washington student 429 00:23:58,654 --> 00:24:01,962 who was abducted from her basement bedroom. 430 00:24:03,659 --> 00:24:05,792 She just disappeared without a trace. 431 00:24:08,185 --> 00:24:11,188 - Lynda Healy lived off campus 432 00:24:11,232 --> 00:24:13,974 in a house with some of her girlfriends. 433 00:24:14,017 --> 00:24:16,629 And her apartment was in the basement. 434 00:24:19,545 --> 00:24:23,505 - Her roommates hadn't seen her for a day or two. 435 00:24:23,549 --> 00:24:25,812 And finally, one of them went down 436 00:24:25,855 --> 00:24:27,509 and went into her room. 437 00:24:27,553 --> 00:24:30,164 And it looked like she had been there. 438 00:24:30,207 --> 00:24:32,514 Her bed was perfectly made. 439 00:24:32,558 --> 00:24:35,386 They spotted some blood though 440 00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:37,040 and opened a closet 441 00:24:37,084 --> 00:24:40,522 and found a nightgown that had the blood on it. 442 00:24:40,566 --> 00:24:42,002 - She was missing. 443 00:24:42,045 --> 00:24:43,656 Nobody knew where she went. 444 00:24:44,570 --> 00:24:47,355 Lynda was just gone. 445 00:24:49,444 --> 00:24:50,706 The crime scene, 446 00:24:50,750 --> 00:24:54,188 the place where Lynda Ann Healy disappeared from 447 00:24:54,231 --> 00:24:56,538 was processed to some extent 448 00:24:56,582 --> 00:24:58,671 by the Seattle Police Department. 449 00:24:58,714 --> 00:25:00,934 - We didn't have crime scene technicians. 450 00:25:00,977 --> 00:25:02,675 We didn't have digital cameras. 451 00:25:02,718 --> 00:25:05,721 And I remember my Lieutenant telling me, 452 00:25:05,765 --> 00:25:07,984 you have film, it's expensive. 453 00:25:08,028 --> 00:25:10,987 You're using flash bulbs, they're expensive. 454 00:25:11,031 --> 00:25:12,859 Don't take a lot of pictures. 455 00:25:12,902 --> 00:25:14,687 So crime scenes, you know, 456 00:25:14,730 --> 00:25:16,253 even a homicide crime scenes 457 00:25:16,297 --> 00:25:19,561 might only have like 20 or 30 pictures. 458 00:25:19,605 --> 00:25:21,389 And today, we have hundreds. 459 00:25:27,569 --> 00:25:31,791 - There weren't any particular suspects at this point. 460 00:25:31,834 --> 00:25:34,881 That was kind of a one-off case. 461 00:25:35,969 --> 00:25:37,840 - It was the beginning of that series 462 00:25:37,884 --> 00:25:41,888 of young women disappearing from college campuses 463 00:25:41,931 --> 00:25:45,239 and other areas around the Pacific Northwest. 464 00:25:54,204 --> 00:25:55,902 - Our son is the best son in the world. 465 00:25:55,945 --> 00:25:58,905 He's a very normal, active boy. 466 00:25:58,948 --> 00:26:03,431 He did all the things that most boys liked to do. 467 00:26:05,085 --> 00:26:09,002 - Ted Bundy was known to have had a very unusual childhood. 468 00:26:09,045 --> 00:26:11,439 He was considered an illegitimate birth. 469 00:26:11,482 --> 00:26:13,397 The mother was not married at the time. 470 00:26:13,441 --> 00:26:17,445 And then he was raised for the first few years of his life 471 00:26:17,488 --> 00:26:21,275 in the home of his maternal grandparents. 472 00:26:22,319 --> 00:26:24,321 - Ted Bundy was brought up on the assumption 473 00:26:24,365 --> 00:26:26,323 that his grandparents are his parents 474 00:26:26,367 --> 00:26:28,021 and his mother is his sister. 475 00:26:28,064 --> 00:26:31,894 He's sort of brought into this world or web of lies 476 00:26:31,938 --> 00:26:34,941 and starts forming his personality 477 00:26:34,984 --> 00:26:37,639 based on this family dynamic 478 00:26:37,683 --> 00:26:40,076 that is really an unhealthy dynamic. 479 00:26:43,123 --> 00:26:48,084 - I knew Ted Bundy from the time I was five until I was 15. 480 00:26:48,911 --> 00:26:50,478 My brother was Ted's age, 481 00:26:50,521 --> 00:26:52,959 so most of the boys hung out together 482 00:26:53,002 --> 00:26:55,614 and I was the tag along little sister. 483 00:26:56,832 --> 00:27:00,880 My brother told me very early on to stay clear of Ted. 484 00:27:00,923 --> 00:27:04,492 He was just a mean spirited kid. 485 00:27:06,625 --> 00:27:09,584 Ted liked building holes in the ground 486 00:27:09,628 --> 00:27:12,500 with sharp stakes pointing up. 487 00:27:12,543 --> 00:27:16,765 And then he'd make this big thing of leaves, 488 00:27:16,809 --> 00:27:18,071 and sticks, and twigs 489 00:27:18,114 --> 00:27:20,813 so that you couldn't tell that it was there. 490 00:27:22,118 --> 00:27:25,121 And one of the girls from a couple of streets up 491 00:27:25,165 --> 00:27:26,862 went through one 492 00:27:26,906 --> 00:27:31,998 and got the whole side of her leg gashed up really bad. 493 00:27:33,956 --> 00:27:35,349 He liked that. 494 00:27:35,392 --> 00:27:40,354 He liked scaring people, especially little girls. 495 00:27:40,397 --> 00:27:42,530 And he liked hurting them. 496 00:27:46,403 --> 00:27:51,191 And he liked hurting animals that were small and helpless. 497 00:27:52,583 --> 00:27:54,063 There was a cat in our neighborhood 498 00:27:54,107 --> 00:27:56,849 that was hanging from a clothes line 499 00:27:56,892 --> 00:27:58,285 and it was on fire. 500 00:27:58,328 --> 00:28:02,593 He'd lit it up with gasoline, with lighter fluid, 501 00:28:02,637 --> 00:28:04,204 and set it on fire. 502 00:28:04,247 --> 00:28:06,554 And you could hear that cat screaming. 503 00:28:07,816 --> 00:28:08,861 It was horrible. 504 00:28:11,254 --> 00:28:14,388 - In terms of the five serial killers we're discussing, 505 00:28:14,431 --> 00:28:17,870 animal cruelty may be sort of a practice run 506 00:28:17,913 --> 00:28:20,611 for violence and aggression against humans. 507 00:28:20,655 --> 00:28:24,572 If an individual has the capacity to harm an animal, 508 00:28:24,615 --> 00:28:26,748 it's really not much more of a leap 509 00:28:26,792 --> 00:28:29,751 for them to harm another human being. 510 00:28:30,578 --> 00:28:31,753 We certainly see it with Ridgway, 511 00:28:31,797 --> 00:28:33,712 we certainly see with Rader, 512 00:28:33,755 --> 00:28:37,063 the same with Gacy and then Bundy. 513 00:28:38,717 --> 00:28:42,895 - His behavior spoke very loudly of who he was. 514 00:28:44,287 --> 00:28:47,682 And I doubt if any of the people in the neighborhood 515 00:28:47,726 --> 00:28:50,424 were surprised when Ted was killing women. 516 00:28:59,433 --> 00:29:01,087 [intense ambient music] 517 00:29:02,479 --> 00:29:04,568 - By the time Ted Bundy was a young teenager, 518 00:29:04,612 --> 00:29:08,224 he was shoplifting, he was lying. 519 00:29:08,268 --> 00:29:11,662 He was a Peeping Tom in Tacoma neighborhoods 520 00:29:11,706 --> 00:29:14,143 when he was 14 or so. 521 00:29:15,101 --> 00:29:17,320 He applied to the University of Washington 522 00:29:17,364 --> 00:29:18,887 and started attending. 523 00:29:18,931 --> 00:29:22,108 And he learned in a psychology class 524 00:29:22,151 --> 00:29:26,939 that people will help somebody who appears vulnerable. 525 00:29:28,984 --> 00:29:31,639 - Prior to Ted Bundy's first kill, 526 00:29:31,682 --> 00:29:34,294 we want to look at what's going on in his life. 527 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,169 He'd been dating a woman named Stephanie Brooks. 528 00:29:41,431 --> 00:29:44,434 - Stephanie Brooks represented everything that he wanted, 529 00:29:44,478 --> 00:29:48,656 but really just couldn't achieve on his own. 530 00:29:48,699 --> 00:29:52,834 Upper class life, access, beauty. 531 00:29:52,878 --> 00:29:58,013 And being with her, he had those things by proxy. 532 00:29:58,361 --> 00:30:01,712 - So, Bundy's low view of himself 533 00:30:01,756 --> 00:30:05,629 was really elevated by dating Stephanie Brooks 534 00:30:05,673 --> 00:30:08,937 until Stephanie broke up with him. 535 00:30:11,722 --> 00:30:13,550 This was a real turning point for Bundy. 536 00:30:13,594 --> 00:30:15,814 It was devastating for him. 537 00:30:15,857 --> 00:30:19,078 He felt abandoned, he felt betrayed. 538 00:30:19,121 --> 00:30:21,428 And it's this point when Bundy, 539 00:30:21,471 --> 00:30:26,346 who has been fantasizing over a long period of time, 540 00:30:26,389 --> 00:30:29,653 actually decides he's going to act out 541 00:30:29,697 --> 00:30:32,352 and try to capture his first victim. 542 00:30:33,396 --> 00:30:34,441 - In Bundy's case, 543 00:30:34,484 --> 00:30:35,703 it's often discussed 544 00:30:35,746 --> 00:30:38,184 how his victims had a physical similarity 545 00:30:38,227 --> 00:30:41,796 to the woman that broke his heart basically. 546 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,711 And that perhaps, and in that regard, 547 00:30:43,754 --> 00:30:45,931 it might've been more revenge, or retribution, 548 00:30:45,974 --> 00:30:47,323 or along that lines. 549 00:30:48,890 --> 00:30:52,415 - He was so angry at her for breaking it off 550 00:30:52,459 --> 00:30:54,200 that this entity in him, 551 00:30:54,243 --> 00:30:58,334 this compulsion to kill would take over. 552 00:30:59,466 --> 00:31:03,731 He really couldn't control his impulses anymore. 553 00:31:04,906 --> 00:31:07,561 And a few years later, Lynda Ann Healy was killed. 554 00:31:09,911 --> 00:31:11,739 - There's something about the first kill 555 00:31:11,782 --> 00:31:15,482 that might've served a particular psychological purpose 556 00:31:15,525 --> 00:31:18,354 that they might have become addicted to. 557 00:31:19,703 --> 00:31:22,881 You see this with Bundy and you see this with Dennis Rader. 558 00:31:26,275 --> 00:31:30,497 - After the Otero murders, police were really baffled. 559 00:31:30,540 --> 00:31:34,893 They had absolutely no suspects at all. 560 00:31:36,372 --> 00:31:40,072 Three months after the Otero murders, 561 00:31:40,115 --> 00:31:43,075 Dennis Rader decided he was going to kill again. 562 00:31:45,904 --> 00:31:48,689 - This time, it's a Wichita State student, 563 00:31:48,732 --> 00:31:49,777 Kathryn Bright. 564 00:31:52,127 --> 00:31:54,956 - Dennis saw Kathryn Bright 565 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:59,526 and he decided that she would be his next victim. 566 00:31:59,569 --> 00:32:02,572 And so for the next several weeks, he stalked her. 567 00:32:03,617 --> 00:32:06,272 - But he didn't plan for her little brother 568 00:32:07,099 --> 00:32:08,796 to be at the residence. 569 00:32:24,159 --> 00:32:26,945 - While he's there, he ties them both up. 570 00:32:26,988 --> 00:32:29,643 And then Kevin gets his feet loose 571 00:32:29,686 --> 00:32:31,993 and he attacks Dennis Rader. 572 00:32:32,037 --> 00:32:33,255 This is totally unexpected, 573 00:32:33,299 --> 00:32:36,258 not in Dennis Rader's plan at all. 574 00:32:52,144 --> 00:32:53,232 - At that point, the killer 575 00:32:53,275 --> 00:32:55,451 makes his way back over to Kathryn. 576 00:32:55,495 --> 00:32:57,627 There's quite a struggle with her. 577 00:32:57,671 --> 00:32:59,107 At some point during that struggle, 578 00:32:59,151 --> 00:33:03,285 a knife comes out and Kathryn is stabbed multiple times 579 00:33:03,329 --> 00:33:05,331 with quite a bit of ferocity. 580 00:33:10,031 --> 00:33:14,993 Kevin still survived and Kevin runs out the front door. 581 00:33:23,392 --> 00:33:27,179 [suspenseful ambient music] 582 00:33:32,227 --> 00:33:35,752 [suspenseful ambient music] 583 00:33:35,796 --> 00:33:37,972 - Kevin Bright runs out, 584 00:33:39,060 --> 00:33:42,150 runs to a convenience store across the street, 585 00:33:42,194 --> 00:33:44,283 and the police are called. 586 00:33:52,378 --> 00:33:55,163 [siren blaring] 587 00:33:56,077 --> 00:33:58,166 - By the time officers arrived, 588 00:33:58,210 --> 00:34:02,649 Kathryn is on the floor right outside her kitchen. 589 00:34:02,692 --> 00:34:05,695 An officer asked her initially, you know, 590 00:34:05,739 --> 00:34:06,566 do you know who did this to you? 591 00:34:06,609 --> 00:34:08,220 And she says, no. 592 00:34:08,263 --> 00:34:11,745 That's really the last communication she makes. 593 00:34:11,788 --> 00:34:13,094 She's taken 594 00:34:13,138 --> 00:34:15,923 and they try to save her life for several hours, 595 00:34:15,966 --> 00:34:17,490 but she dies later that day. 596 00:34:19,883 --> 00:34:22,495 - He should have been caught, but he wasn't. 597 00:34:22,538 --> 00:34:24,758 And that's why in the future kills, 598 00:34:24,801 --> 00:34:26,238 he wanted to be very careful 599 00:34:26,281 --> 00:34:28,631 to make sure, A, no man was involved, 600 00:34:28,675 --> 00:34:29,937 no dog was involved, 601 00:34:29,980 --> 00:34:32,026 that everything went better. 602 00:34:33,941 --> 00:34:37,075 - The description that came from Kevin Bright 603 00:34:37,118 --> 00:34:39,468 pretty much matches Dennis Rader. 604 00:34:39,512 --> 00:34:43,690 However, the description didn't do much good. 605 00:34:45,170 --> 00:34:46,780 They're looking for a loner. 606 00:34:46,823 --> 00:34:48,477 They're looking for a criminal. 607 00:34:48,521 --> 00:34:51,698 They're looking for someone out of the ordinary. 608 00:34:53,178 --> 00:34:55,919 - They were looking for somebody 609 00:34:55,963 --> 00:34:59,967 that had a reason to commit these murders. 610 00:35:00,010 --> 00:35:05,277 And even though Dennis Rader's right in their sight, 611 00:35:06,016 --> 00:35:07,975 he is a church goer, 612 00:35:08,018 --> 00:35:10,804 he is well known in the community, 613 00:35:10,847 --> 00:35:12,675 they don't see him 614 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,156 because they don't see him as somebody 615 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,115 who could do something like that. 616 00:35:18,942 --> 00:35:20,596 - It stayed a big news story for a long time. 617 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,120 There was a lot of follow up on it 618 00:35:22,163 --> 00:35:23,556 and there was some consternation 619 00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:25,993 when they couldn't find the killer. 620 00:35:26,036 --> 00:35:28,343 And that became a secondary news story. 621 00:35:28,387 --> 00:35:30,432 Was the police department doing its job? 622 00:35:30,476 --> 00:35:31,999 Why haven't they caught the guy? 623 00:35:32,042 --> 00:35:33,348 What are the leads? 624 00:35:34,871 --> 00:35:38,832 - Now, you have five homicides in Wichita, Kansas 625 00:35:38,875 --> 00:35:41,965 within a few months of one another. 626 00:35:43,532 --> 00:35:46,796 - When we look at law enforcement capability, 627 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,189 we have to understand 628 00:35:48,233 --> 00:35:51,671 that they didn't have the technological advances 629 00:35:51,714 --> 00:35:53,847 that we have today to detect 630 00:35:53,890 --> 00:35:57,633 or even make connections between homicide cases. 631 00:35:57,677 --> 00:36:00,027 Particularly in BTK's example, 632 00:36:00,070 --> 00:36:02,029 Wichita, Kansas in the '70s, 633 00:36:02,072 --> 00:36:04,553 small town, small police force. 634 00:36:04,597 --> 00:36:08,209 They're not used to dealing with homicide cases. 635 00:36:08,253 --> 00:36:10,124 They're not trained in that way. 636 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:12,866 - In the early days, 637 00:36:12,909 --> 00:36:14,824 nobody linked Kathryn Bright 638 00:36:14,868 --> 00:36:17,131 and her brother to the Otero murder. 639 00:36:17,175 --> 00:36:19,394 There were maybe some similarities, 640 00:36:19,438 --> 00:36:20,613 but everybody thought 641 00:36:20,656 --> 00:36:24,225 that these were just individual murders. 642 00:36:24,269 --> 00:36:27,881 We had no idea that it was going to turn into something huge 643 00:36:27,924 --> 00:36:29,796 and really something monstrous. 644 00:36:35,105 --> 00:36:37,282 - By the spring of 1974, 645 00:36:37,325 --> 00:36:40,415 Ted Bundy's MO was going to college campuses 646 00:36:40,459 --> 00:36:41,547 where he fit in. 647 00:36:41,590 --> 00:36:44,114 I mean, he looked like a student. 648 00:36:44,158 --> 00:36:49,468 Well, at that time, college campuses were a safe place. 649 00:36:52,558 --> 00:36:55,735 A young woman on a campus wouldn't think twice 650 00:36:55,778 --> 00:36:58,216 about walking from the library late at night 651 00:36:58,259 --> 00:36:59,478 to her dorm room. 652 00:37:00,218 --> 00:37:01,567 And of course, 653 00:37:01,610 --> 00:37:03,917 parents obviously wanted to send their children 654 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,353 to someplace safe. 655 00:37:07,442 --> 00:37:11,098 - Sue was a dream child. 656 00:37:13,013 --> 00:37:14,710 Very ambitious. 657 00:37:14,754 --> 00:37:18,279 All she wanted from the time she was tiny 658 00:37:18,323 --> 00:37:20,063 was to go to school. 659 00:37:21,761 --> 00:37:26,244 You know, mothers have a certain second sense 660 00:37:26,287 --> 00:37:30,422 when it comes to their children. 661 00:37:32,815 --> 00:37:35,992 She was boarding the airplane. 662 00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:40,606 She turned around and she looked at me, 663 00:37:43,870 --> 00:37:46,438 and she just gave a little wave. 664 00:37:49,354 --> 00:37:54,533 And I told my husband, I'll never see her again. 665 00:38:05,370 --> 00:38:08,460 [somber music] 666 00:38:09,591 --> 00:38:14,335 - Sue was loving everything about college life. 667 00:38:14,379 --> 00:38:16,990 She was so happy there. 668 00:38:17,033 --> 00:38:21,299 This was her dream and her destiny. 669 00:38:22,952 --> 00:38:27,827 She had made arrangements to meet another dorm mate. 670 00:38:27,870 --> 00:38:31,134 And when she didn't come back from that meeting, 671 00:38:31,178 --> 00:38:36,444 her roommate knew immediately that something was wrong. 672 00:38:38,490 --> 00:38:41,362 So they called the campus police. 673 00:38:41,406 --> 00:38:45,671 - For her not to come home was just not right. 674 00:38:45,714 --> 00:38:47,499 She just wouldn't do that kind of thing. 675 00:38:47,542 --> 00:38:48,674 She just wouldn't. 676 00:38:49,718 --> 00:38:51,938 - When my husband told me, 677 00:38:51,981 --> 00:38:54,941 I just had this uneasy feeling. 678 00:38:54,984 --> 00:38:59,162 He said, "Sue's missing and they can't find her." 679 00:38:59,206 --> 00:39:01,817 And I said, "No, she's dead." 680 00:39:04,037 --> 00:39:06,039 It was a different world. 681 00:39:06,082 --> 00:39:11,000 We didn't have computers, or DNA, or Amber Alerts. 682 00:39:12,088 --> 00:39:13,960 And the police departments 683 00:39:14,003 --> 00:39:17,355 were not coordinating with each other. 684 00:39:17,398 --> 00:39:22,403 And we were out there buying ads in Seattle paper. 685 00:39:22,447 --> 00:39:25,014 You know, have you seen this child? 686 00:39:31,194 --> 00:39:35,547 - In a lot of the cases at first involving Ted Bundy, 687 00:39:35,590 --> 00:39:37,853 people sometimes speculated that, 688 00:39:37,897 --> 00:39:40,639 oh, well, the girl is just off on her own 689 00:39:40,682 --> 00:39:43,163 or maybe she's spending a couple nights 690 00:39:43,206 --> 00:39:45,731 with a new boyfriend. 691 00:39:45,774 --> 00:39:47,036 In the '70s, 692 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,736 the concept of a serial killer was something 693 00:39:50,779 --> 00:39:55,001 that people pretty much attributed to a horror movie. 694 00:39:55,044 --> 00:39:57,960 So there wasn't a really good understanding 695 00:39:58,004 --> 00:39:59,962 about that concept. 696 00:40:00,963 --> 00:40:04,924 - At one point, someone asked my husband, 697 00:40:04,967 --> 00:40:07,100 "Aren't you going to feel silly 698 00:40:07,143 --> 00:40:10,495 when she shows up married to somebody?" 699 00:40:10,538 --> 00:40:15,804 And I think that kind of was the mentality back then. 700 00:40:16,979 --> 00:40:20,418 It's a different mentality now, thank goodness. 701 00:40:22,507 --> 00:40:26,206 - During the first half of 1974, 702 00:40:26,249 --> 00:40:28,774 there were a series of murders, 703 00:40:28,817 --> 00:40:30,732 about one a month, 704 00:40:31,646 --> 00:40:33,953 pretty much of the same age. 705 00:40:33,996 --> 00:40:36,695 They looked very similar to one another 706 00:40:36,738 --> 00:40:39,828 and they lived similar lifestyles 707 00:40:39,872 --> 00:40:43,092 as young women in 20s lived. 708 00:40:44,746 --> 00:40:48,576 Ted Bundy's MO was to 709 00:40:48,620 --> 00:40:52,058 try and get women to trust him 710 00:40:52,101 --> 00:40:53,276 and go with him. 711 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,235 He was the kind of person 712 00:40:55,278 --> 00:40:59,065 that could talk a young woman into helping him, 713 00:40:59,108 --> 00:41:00,240 a stranger. 714 00:41:00,283 --> 00:41:02,677 He was looking for the empathetic female 715 00:41:02,721 --> 00:41:05,985 so he could overpower her and ultimately kill her. 716 00:41:09,554 --> 00:41:11,556 - The night she disappeared, 717 00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:13,993 she walked across campus 718 00:41:14,036 --> 00:41:17,257 and he was standing at the library, 719 00:41:17,300 --> 00:41:21,479 which she had to walk in front of to get to her dorm, 720 00:41:21,522 --> 00:41:23,481 with his arm in a sling. 721 00:41:25,483 --> 00:41:30,618 And he called to her and asked her to help carry his books. 722 00:41:31,532 --> 00:41:33,273 Could you help me to my car? 723 00:41:33,316 --> 00:41:34,666 It's just over there. 724 00:41:41,890 --> 00:41:47,113 We teach our children to be compassionate, to be helpful, 725 00:41:48,114 --> 00:41:51,639 and to reach out to those that are disabled. 726 00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:58,385 You know, were we wrong to bring her up that way? 727 00:41:59,038 --> 00:42:00,866 I don't think so. 728 00:42:00,909 --> 00:42:06,175 It's so important for them to care for others. 729 00:42:06,436 --> 00:42:08,395 And that's what happened. 730 00:42:08,438 --> 00:42:09,657 She helped him. 731 00:42:17,926 --> 00:42:20,059 - Contrary to what we might think, 732 00:42:20,102 --> 00:42:23,584 serial killers don't come across to the outside world 733 00:42:23,628 --> 00:42:26,108 as frothing lunatics. 734 00:42:26,152 --> 00:42:29,547 - We are not some kinds of inherent monsters. 735 00:42:29,590 --> 00:42:31,897 We are your sons and we are your husbands. 736 00:42:33,463 --> 00:42:35,248 - Dennis Rader had a BTK side 737 00:42:35,291 --> 00:42:38,556 and he had a Dennis Rader, the family man side. 738 00:42:39,905 --> 00:42:42,255 He much preferred the BTK side. 739 00:42:43,082 --> 00:42:44,736 - With guys like Bundy, 740 00:42:44,779 --> 00:42:48,304 you have a success, and then another, and then another. 741 00:42:48,348 --> 00:42:53,571 And pretty soon, you start to believe you're invincible. 742 00:42:53,788 --> 00:42:55,877 - John Wayne Gacy built carefully 743 00:42:55,921 --> 00:42:59,098 an entire life to live, a facade, a duality. 744 00:42:59,794 --> 00:43:00,882 - My brother says, 745 00:43:00,926 --> 00:43:03,450 "Me and this boy are working together 746 00:43:03,493 --> 00:43:06,932 and we're digging around Gacy's house." 747 00:43:06,975 --> 00:43:09,717 Well, it ended up they were digging their own graves. 748 00:43:09,761 --> 00:43:11,893 [intense ambient music] 56742

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