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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:12,074 Watch any video online with Open-SUBTITLES Free Browser extension: osdb.link/ext 2 00:00:26,113 --> 00:00:28,811 - Do you need bottles? - I have bottles. 3 00:00:32,423 --> 00:00:35,296 [Street noise] 4 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,126 Does anyone need any bottles? 5 00:00:39,909 --> 00:00:41,954 What time? 4:15? 6 00:00:41,998 --> 00:00:43,695 The timekeepers are going to give a signal. 7 00:00:43,739 --> 00:00:44,522 Okay. 8 00:00:50,615 --> 00:00:51,921 Everyone has bottles? 9 00:00:52,443 --> 00:00:53,662 Okay. 10 00:00:53,705 --> 00:00:54,750 - You ready to go in? - Let's go. 11 00:01:09,156 --> 00:01:11,767 There's a guard walking around looking puzzled. 12 00:01:11,810 --> 00:01:15,031 I think he's trying to count the number of people. 13 00:01:20,776 --> 00:01:22,604 I'm really nervous, man. 14 00:01:24,171 --> 00:01:26,390 - Let's start. - Let's go, let's do it, go. 15 00:01:27,565 --> 00:01:29,741 - Mic check. - Mic check! 16 00:01:29,785 --> 00:01:31,830 - Mic check. - Mic check! 17 00:01:31,874 --> 00:01:33,745 100,000 dead. 18 00:01:33,789 --> 00:01:35,878 100,000 dead! 19 00:01:35,921 --> 00:01:37,706 100,000 dead! 20 00:01:37,749 --> 00:01:39,751 - 100,000 dead! - Don't do anything. 21 00:01:39,795 --> 00:01:42,014 You can't do anything as far as... 22 00:01:42,058 --> 00:01:44,930 Temple of death. Temple of death! 23 00:01:44,974 --> 00:01:48,151 - Temple of money. - Temple of money! 24 00:01:48,195 --> 00:01:51,154 - Temple of greed. - Temple of greed! 25 00:01:51,198 --> 00:01:53,374 - Temple of oxy. - Temple of oxy! 26 00:01:54,549 --> 00:01:58,118 - Sacklers lie. - Sacklers lie! 27 00:01:58,161 --> 00:02:01,686 - Thousands die. - Thousands die! 28 00:02:01,730 --> 00:02:05,342 - The Sacklers knew... - The Sacklers knew... 29 00:02:05,386 --> 00:02:08,128 - Their pills would kill. - Their pills would kill! 30 00:02:09,129 --> 00:02:11,131 They built this wing! 31 00:02:11,174 --> 00:02:14,003 - They built this wing! - Take this outside... 32 00:02:15,961 --> 00:02:18,747 [Screams, cheers] 33 00:02:20,618 --> 00:02:22,577 [Applause] 34 00:02:30,933 --> 00:02:33,109 - Sacklers lie! - People die! 35 00:02:33,153 --> 00:02:35,981 - Sacklers lie! - People die! 36 00:02:36,025 --> 00:02:38,158 - Sacklers lie! - People die! 37 00:02:39,202 --> 00:02:43,206 [Chanting continues] 38 00:02:46,514 --> 00:02:49,343 [♪♪♪] 39 00:03:04,923 --> 00:03:08,188 [♪♪♪] 40 00:03:40,959 --> 00:03:44,267 [♪♪♪] 41 00:03:53,363 --> 00:03:56,236 It's easy to make your life into stories. 42 00:03:57,715 --> 00:04:00,544 But it's harder to... 43 00:04:01,893 --> 00:04:03,243 sustain real memories. 44 00:04:06,594 --> 00:04:08,117 What do you mean? 45 00:04:10,989 --> 00:04:14,645 Well, the difference between the story and the real memory. 46 00:04:17,474 --> 00:04:21,304 The real experience has a smell and is dirty, 47 00:04:21,348 --> 00:04:25,003 and is not wrapped up in simple endings. 48 00:04:26,004 --> 00:04:28,616 [♪♪♪] 49 00:04:31,793 --> 00:04:36,537 The real memories are what affects me now. 50 00:04:37,668 --> 00:04:38,800 [Sound of slide projector] 51 00:04:40,105 --> 00:04:43,021 Things can appear that you didn't want to see, 52 00:04:43,718 --> 00:04:45,850 where you're not safe. 53 00:04:47,591 --> 00:04:50,725 And even if you don't actually unleash the memories, 54 00:04:51,639 --> 00:04:52,466 the effect is there. 55 00:04:53,380 --> 00:04:55,295 It's in your body. 56 00:05:01,344 --> 00:05:04,042 [Wind gusting] 57 00:05:20,842 --> 00:05:22,017 All right. 58 00:05:27,805 --> 00:05:30,765 [♪♪♪] 59 00:06:19,466 --> 00:06:22,643 [♪♪♪] 60 00:06:28,605 --> 00:06:31,434 It was a claustrophobic suburb. 61 00:06:31,478 --> 00:06:34,089 "Don't let the neighbors know." 62 00:06:34,132 --> 00:06:36,265 My mother used to say that all the time. 63 00:06:36,308 --> 00:06:38,572 It wasn't just an attitude. 64 00:06:38,615 --> 00:06:40,182 Actually, the neighbors did know, 65 00:06:40,225 --> 00:06:42,184 we found out years later 'cause 66 00:06:42,227 --> 00:06:44,665 there was so much screaming in the house. 67 00:06:46,318 --> 00:06:48,059 Tell me about your sister. 68 00:06:51,846 --> 00:06:55,371 My mother insisted that Barbara speak 69 00:06:55,415 --> 00:06:57,721 in full sentences at the age of one. 70 00:06:59,375 --> 00:07:04,554 And so she stopped talking for at least a year and a half. 71 00:07:06,295 --> 00:07:09,994 Yeah, that was the first act of rebellion by my sister. 72 00:07:16,610 --> 00:07:20,309 She would just wash my hair or hold me, 73 00:07:20,352 --> 00:07:22,224 or these kind of things that you need 74 00:07:22,267 --> 00:07:23,530 when you're a kid. 75 00:07:25,053 --> 00:07:27,969 And she knew how to do that, even though 76 00:07:28,012 --> 00:07:30,580 she hadn't been mothered in that way. 77 00:07:34,236 --> 00:07:37,282 She made me aware at a very young age 78 00:07:37,326 --> 00:07:41,896 about the banality and deadening grip of suburbia. 79 00:07:49,469 --> 00:07:51,862 She had a wildness to her. 80 00:07:57,259 --> 00:07:59,653 She played the piano constantly. 81 00:08:00,305 --> 00:08:02,264 Chopin... 82 00:08:02,307 --> 00:08:05,397 Rachmaninoff, Tchaikovsky.... 83 00:08:05,441 --> 00:08:09,576 And you could tell how she was feeling by how she was playing. 84 00:08:10,098 --> 00:08:11,316 [♪♪♪] 85 00:08:12,927 --> 00:08:17,148 The parakeets would sit on her shoulders while she played. 86 00:08:19,586 --> 00:08:22,719 She trusted me with all her secrets. 87 00:08:26,941 --> 00:08:29,944 She went on Saturday nights to the movies 88 00:08:29,987 --> 00:08:32,033 to make out with boys. 89 00:08:34,252 --> 00:08:38,213 That was when she stood up for herself and yelled back. 90 00:08:40,607 --> 00:08:44,915 And she talked to me about feelings for other girls. 91 00:08:47,527 --> 00:08:50,355 It was a period of sexual repression. 92 00:08:50,399 --> 00:08:53,837 And she was made to fear her sexuality. 93 00:08:55,926 --> 00:08:58,929 And a lot of it was her need to be held. 94 00:09:04,065 --> 00:09:08,199 She had a saying: "Lean cat, savage cat." 95 00:09:10,419 --> 00:09:11,681 I felt very close to her, 96 00:09:12,900 --> 00:09:15,467 but she was in and out of institutions 97 00:09:15,511 --> 00:09:17,165 for most of my childhood. 98 00:09:20,647 --> 00:09:23,084 Once they started sending her away, 99 00:09:23,127 --> 00:09:25,129 they kept sending her away. 100 00:09:28,655 --> 00:09:31,222 My parents took away her credibility and... 101 00:09:32,572 --> 00:09:36,532 silenced her by calling her "mentally ill." 102 00:09:43,583 --> 00:09:45,062 The police came into the house. 103 00:09:46,324 --> 00:09:49,327 My father started wailing on the front lawn, 104 00:09:49,371 --> 00:09:50,590 wailing. 105 00:09:51,939 --> 00:09:54,811 They were talking to my mother, saying that 106 00:09:54,855 --> 00:09:58,423 "We found your daughter and she committed suicide." 107 00:09:59,511 --> 00:10:01,731 And I heard my mother say, 108 00:10:01,775 --> 00:10:04,604 "Tell the children it was an accident." 109 00:10:06,127 --> 00:10:09,521 My interpretation from that minute was... 110 00:10:10,087 --> 00:10:10,697 Denial. 111 00:10:12,133 --> 00:10:14,657 She didn't want us to know the truth. 112 00:10:16,659 --> 00:10:18,748 That's when it clicked. 113 00:10:24,711 --> 00:10:27,627 [Busy street noise] 114 00:10:33,676 --> 00:10:36,026 [Workers talking quietly] 115 00:10:38,376 --> 00:10:41,553 Okay, let's try it towards the left. 116 00:10:52,086 --> 00:10:54,305 - Yeah. - Or like in the middle? 117 00:10:54,349 --> 00:10:55,567 I don't know. 118 00:10:55,611 --> 00:10:58,309 Can you move over to the right? 119 00:10:58,353 --> 00:10:59,920 Keep going, okay, 120 00:10:59,963 --> 00:11:02,357 I can't really see because your body... 121 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:03,575 Thank you. 122 00:11:04,054 --> 00:11:04,664 Wow. 123 00:11:06,491 --> 00:11:08,015 Do you like it? 124 00:11:08,058 --> 00:11:10,104 Okay, I just want to see one more thing. 125 00:11:10,147 --> 00:11:12,541 Can you switch these two? 126 00:11:12,584 --> 00:11:15,370 Okay, and one more idea. 127 00:11:15,413 --> 00:11:16,806 A couple more ideas. 128 00:11:17,633 --> 00:11:19,417 I could do this all night. 129 00:11:19,461 --> 00:11:20,418 Watch out. 130 00:11:21,637 --> 00:11:22,682 Yeah... 131 00:11:24,553 --> 00:11:26,511 [Gallery noise] 132 00:11:27,774 --> 00:11:31,168 I was thinking about this last night that... 133 00:11:31,212 --> 00:11:33,605 People talk about all kinds of relationships, 134 00:11:33,649 --> 00:11:35,129 with their partner, 135 00:11:35,172 --> 00:11:36,826 their children, their parents and... 136 00:11:38,436 --> 00:11:40,917 The relationships that have mattered most to me, 137 00:11:40,961 --> 00:11:43,006 probably my whole life, are my friends. 138 00:11:44,442 --> 00:11:46,967 I only escaped because of my friends. 139 00:11:47,707 --> 00:11:48,795 Right. 140 00:11:53,016 --> 00:11:55,236 Yeah, that's better. That's perfect. 141 00:11:57,455 --> 00:12:00,154 [♪♪♪] 142 00:12:07,422 --> 00:12:10,077 "I survived the opioid crisis. 143 00:12:11,382 --> 00:12:12,906 "I narrowly escaped. 144 00:12:15,343 --> 00:12:17,780 "My relationship to OxyContin 145 00:12:17,824 --> 00:12:19,956 "began several years ago in Berlin. 146 00:12:21,262 --> 00:12:24,134 "It was originally prescribed for surgery. 147 00:12:25,919 --> 00:12:29,226 "Though I took it as directed, I got addicted overnight. 148 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:34,318 "In the beginning, 40 milligrams was too strong. 149 00:12:34,362 --> 00:12:37,365 "But as my habit grew, there was never enough. 150 00:12:39,497 --> 00:12:43,545 "I went from 3 pills a day, as prescribed, to 18. 151 00:12:44,981 --> 00:12:48,332 "The drug, like all drugs, lost its effect. 152 00:12:48,376 --> 00:12:50,421 "So I picked up the straw. 153 00:12:52,423 --> 00:12:56,253 "My life revolved entirely around getting and using Oxy, 154 00:12:56,297 --> 00:12:59,343 "counting and recounting, crushing and snorting 155 00:12:59,387 --> 00:13:01,215 "was my full-time job. 156 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,827 [♪♪♪] 157 00:13:04,871 --> 00:13:06,655 "When I got out of treatment, 158 00:13:06,698 --> 00:13:08,352 "I learned that the Sackler family, 159 00:13:08,396 --> 00:13:11,225 "whose name I knew from museums and galleries, 160 00:13:11,268 --> 00:13:13,618 "were responsible for the epidemic. 161 00:13:15,707 --> 00:13:19,015 "The Sackler family and their private company, Purdue Pharma, 162 00:13:19,059 --> 00:13:21,583 "advertised and distributed their medication, 163 00:13:21,626 --> 00:13:23,585 "knowing all the dangers. 164 00:13:25,935 --> 00:13:29,983 "I've started a group, P.A.I.N., to hold them accountable. 165 00:13:31,767 --> 00:13:33,638 "To get their ear, we will target their philanthropy. 166 00:13:35,162 --> 00:13:37,251 "They have washed their blood money through the halls 167 00:13:37,294 --> 00:13:39,427 "of museums and universities 168 00:13:39,470 --> 00:13:40,820 "around the world." 169 00:13:42,517 --> 00:13:44,824 [♪♪♪] 170 00:13:47,087 --> 00:13:49,437 I had no idea that it was going to actually have 171 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:51,265 the traction that it did. 172 00:13:51,308 --> 00:13:54,050 It's definitely among the, if not the most, 173 00:13:55,312 --> 00:13:59,186 proud moments of my tenure as editor of the magazine. 174 00:14:00,317 --> 00:14:02,450 She knew how to use her power. 175 00:14:02,493 --> 00:14:03,799 She's a figure that these museums 176 00:14:03,843 --> 00:14:04,887 also wanted to work with. 177 00:14:04,931 --> 00:14:07,281 They want in their collections. 178 00:14:07,324 --> 00:14:09,761 She's a major name in the art world. 179 00:14:09,805 --> 00:14:11,894 When she published the portfolio that 180 00:14:11,938 --> 00:14:12,982 it was the fact that she was doing it that mattered. 181 00:14:14,201 --> 00:14:15,115 I knew this would put her on the line 182 00:14:16,203 --> 00:14:18,379 in a real serious way and... 183 00:14:18,422 --> 00:14:20,468 I was concerned for her safety. 184 00:14:20,511 --> 00:14:21,295 I was concerned for... 185 00:14:22,774 --> 00:14:26,866 whether she would be drummed out of the art world. 186 00:14:26,909 --> 00:14:28,302 I think that... 187 00:14:29,781 --> 00:14:32,393 She was taking on a very powerful family, 188 00:14:32,436 --> 00:14:34,134 one of the most powerful families. 189 00:14:38,573 --> 00:14:42,490 I mean, if anyone belongs in jail, it's these people. 190 00:14:42,533 --> 00:14:45,058 And as long as there's a jail, they should be in it... 191 00:14:46,407 --> 00:14:49,323 until the whole prison system is dismantled. 192 00:14:49,366 --> 00:14:52,108 They should be the last to leave. 193 00:14:52,152 --> 00:14:53,936 - Last one, lights out. - Last one. 194 00:14:55,633 --> 00:15:00,595 After I met Nan and we connected on levels of... 195 00:15:00,638 --> 00:15:05,730 having experience with addiction and stuff like that... 196 00:15:05,774 --> 00:15:09,082 She said, "Why don't you come to one of our P.A.I.N. meetings?" 197 00:15:10,344 --> 00:15:13,347 Most members of P.A.I.N. have a direct experience 198 00:15:13,390 --> 00:15:14,652 with addiction, 199 00:15:14,696 --> 00:15:16,741 or loss of a loved one. 200 00:15:16,785 --> 00:15:20,267 We have members who lost their children... 201 00:15:21,746 --> 00:15:22,269 to overdose, 202 00:15:23,792 --> 00:15:25,837 that have family members who are struggling, 203 00:15:25,881 --> 00:15:27,100 or that they themselves have struggled. 204 00:15:28,318 --> 00:15:30,277 Yeah, but death is the bottom line of this, 205 00:15:31,365 --> 00:15:32,975 and that should be reminded, 206 00:15:33,019 --> 00:15:34,890 we should do a die-in of some sort. 207 00:15:34,934 --> 00:15:36,326 Do we want to marshal numbers? 208 00:15:37,806 --> 00:15:39,503 Trusted friends... 209 00:15:39,547 --> 00:15:41,810 The focus on the family, 210 00:15:41,853 --> 00:15:44,856 I would say there was a little bit of fear in the group about 211 00:15:44,900 --> 00:15:46,771 going straight for them, although we felt that we should. 212 00:15:47,685 --> 00:15:50,819 Yeah, this is the decisive one. 213 00:15:50,862 --> 00:15:54,779 Nan actually said, "Do you think my career will implode?" 214 00:15:54,823 --> 00:15:56,781 And I said, "Probably." 215 00:15:56,825 --> 00:16:01,569 I said, "Yes, these are very scary, powerful people. 216 00:16:01,612 --> 00:16:04,702 "But then again, what else can you do?" 217 00:16:04,746 --> 00:16:08,141 And she said, "I think we should take these people down." 218 00:16:08,184 --> 00:16:09,881 And I said, "Well, I'm with you." 219 00:16:11,535 --> 00:16:15,800 And then we started meeting and we would sit in Nan's house 220 00:16:15,844 --> 00:16:18,412 and dream up of things we wanted to do. 221 00:16:23,417 --> 00:16:24,853 He's really sweet. 222 00:16:25,810 --> 00:16:27,725 He's sweet on Alex, man. 223 00:16:28,596 --> 00:16:29,989 Go on. 224 00:16:38,301 --> 00:16:42,653 Let's see where it all starts here. 225 00:16:42,697 --> 00:16:44,351 I mean, there's literally so many of these 226 00:16:45,439 --> 00:16:48,050 that it's hard for me to find... 227 00:16:48,094 --> 00:16:51,053 Yeah, this is September 2019... 228 00:16:51,097 --> 00:16:54,187 I get this legal hold notice. 229 00:16:54,230 --> 00:16:56,450 "Dear Mr. Keefe, I write on behalf of my clients, 230 00:16:56,493 --> 00:16:58,104 "members of the Raymond Sackler family. 231 00:16:58,147 --> 00:16:59,061 "You are hereby directed to preserve 232 00:17:00,410 --> 00:17:02,151 "and not to destroy, conceal or alter 233 00:17:03,413 --> 00:17:05,067 "any and all documents and communications 234 00:17:05,111 --> 00:17:05,981 "in your possession 235 00:17:07,156 --> 00:17:08,462 "that relate in any way to any members 236 00:17:08,505 --> 00:17:09,245 "of the Sackler family, 237 00:17:10,681 --> 00:17:12,988 "the article, Purdue Pharma, and or OxyContin..." 238 00:17:13,032 --> 00:17:14,381 And on and on and on. 239 00:17:15,904 --> 00:17:17,471 One of the things that's so strange 240 00:17:17,514 --> 00:17:19,995 about the Sackler family is that 241 00:17:20,039 --> 00:17:22,258 we talk about them in monolithic terms, 242 00:17:22,302 --> 00:17:24,913 but really it's three families and... 243 00:17:24,956 --> 00:17:27,046 they spring from these three original brothers, 244 00:17:27,089 --> 00:17:28,656 Arthur, Mortimer and Raymond. 245 00:17:29,831 --> 00:17:31,528 His name is Arthur Sackler. 246 00:17:31,572 --> 00:17:32,442 For 40 years, 247 00:17:32,486 --> 00:17:34,444 he has brought energy, goodwill 248 00:17:34,488 --> 00:17:36,620 and intelligence to art. 249 00:17:36,664 --> 00:17:37,839 He owns thousands of works, 250 00:17:39,667 --> 00:17:41,277 presently displayed not only at the Metropolitan Museum, 251 00:17:41,321 --> 00:17:43,627 but in university collections as well. 252 00:17:44,411 --> 00:17:46,326 [Applause] 253 00:17:46,369 --> 00:17:51,505 Knowing that the goal of peace is engraved in your hearts, 254 00:17:51,548 --> 00:17:54,247 Mrs. Sackler and I present to you this verse... 255 00:17:55,683 --> 00:17:58,816 Arthur dies before the introduction of OxyContin. 256 00:17:58,860 --> 00:18:02,646 And yet so much of what's happened is, in part, 257 00:18:02,690 --> 00:18:04,257 a function of Arthur's legacy. 258 00:18:05,867 --> 00:18:08,609 His contemporaries knew him as this great art collector 259 00:18:09,523 --> 00:18:11,177 and this philanthropist. 260 00:18:11,220 --> 00:18:11,829 And the dirty secret was that 261 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,530 he had come to this position of prominence and great wealth 262 00:18:16,573 --> 00:18:18,619 through the marketing of this drug, 263 00:18:18,662 --> 00:18:19,707 which also happened to be quite addictive. 264 00:18:21,187 --> 00:18:26,017 He creates a whole means of selling Valium 265 00:18:26,061 --> 00:18:27,323 in which you're targeting doctors. 266 00:18:28,585 --> 00:18:32,111 He devised a compensation scheme in which 267 00:18:32,154 --> 00:18:35,157 he would get paid a series of escalating bonuses 268 00:18:35,201 --> 00:18:37,290 based on how much Valium they sold. 269 00:18:37,333 --> 00:18:38,160 Well, Valium becomes the best-selling drug 270 00:18:39,553 --> 00:18:41,511 in the history of the pharmaceutical industry. 271 00:18:42,643 --> 00:18:43,209 From his personal collection, 272 00:18:44,862 --> 00:18:46,690 Sackler gave the Smithsonian carte blanche 273 00:18:46,734 --> 00:18:48,562 to select a thousand pieces, 274 00:18:48,605 --> 00:18:50,694 the best from a lifetime of collecting. 275 00:18:52,174 --> 00:18:56,396 The whole Sackler enterprise has been about marketing, 276 00:18:56,439 --> 00:18:58,920 the marketing of OxyContin, but also the marketing 277 00:18:58,963 --> 00:19:00,922 of the family name. 278 00:19:00,965 --> 00:19:02,793 There's the family of the art world 279 00:19:02,837 --> 00:19:04,839 and the museum world and philanthropy. 280 00:19:04,882 --> 00:19:10,323 And then there's the kind of grubby, unpleasant story of... 281 00:19:11,585 --> 00:19:13,848 big pharma marketing and addiction and death. 282 00:19:15,197 --> 00:19:18,200 Don't be afraid to take what they give you. 283 00:19:18,244 --> 00:19:19,897 Often it will be an opioid medication. 284 00:19:21,203 --> 00:19:24,772 Some patients may be afraid of taking opioids 285 00:19:24,815 --> 00:19:28,906 because they're perceived as too strong, or addictive. 286 00:19:28,950 --> 00:19:31,257 But that is far from actual fact. 287 00:19:32,083 --> 00:19:34,390 The Sacklers owned Purdue, 288 00:19:34,434 --> 00:19:37,176 this company that set out very deliberately 289 00:19:37,219 --> 00:19:38,786 to change the way in which 290 00:19:38,829 --> 00:19:40,483 these strong opioids were prescribed 291 00:19:40,527 --> 00:19:43,443 and to do so, by claiming that they weren't addictive. 292 00:19:44,966 --> 00:19:46,315 A week or two after my article came out, 293 00:19:47,577 --> 00:19:50,841 I got this email, this kind of cryptic email 294 00:19:50,885 --> 00:19:53,104 from the studio of Nan Goldin that said, 295 00:19:53,148 --> 00:19:56,151 "The photographer Nan Goldin would like to meet with you." 296 00:19:56,195 --> 00:19:57,718 And I was a little mystified, didn't know what it was about. 297 00:19:58,632 --> 00:19:59,372 But we set up a meeting. 298 00:20:00,677 --> 00:20:01,330 She had this kind of "roll up your sleeves, 299 00:20:02,636 --> 00:20:04,115 "We gotta do something! We gotta organize! 300 00:20:04,159 --> 00:20:06,117 "We gotta get out there!" 301 00:20:06,161 --> 00:20:09,382 And I probably was... 302 00:20:10,992 --> 00:20:11,471 I blush to think, 303 00:20:13,124 --> 00:20:14,648 but I probably was gently patronizing and said, 304 00:20:14,691 --> 00:20:16,171 "Well, good for you, 305 00:20:16,215 --> 00:20:18,173 "glad to hear it. You keep me posted on that." 306 00:20:28,575 --> 00:20:31,142 I love working in a material I know. 307 00:20:31,186 --> 00:20:33,232 Blue valium bottles. 308 00:20:35,321 --> 00:20:39,803 My anger at the Sackler family, it's personal. 309 00:20:39,847 --> 00:20:41,414 I hate these people, 310 00:20:42,937 --> 00:20:45,200 but it's not about my own addiction. 311 00:20:46,767 --> 00:20:50,945 I mean, when you think of the profit off people's pain. 312 00:20:50,988 --> 00:20:53,164 You can only be furious about it. 313 00:20:54,601 --> 00:20:58,474 Sacklers lie, people die, Fund harm reduction now! 314 00:20:58,518 --> 00:21:02,217 Sacklers lie, people die, Fund harm reduction now! 315 00:21:02,261 --> 00:21:06,308 Sacklers lie, people die, Fund harm reduction now! 316 00:21:06,352 --> 00:21:10,007 Sacklers lie, people die, Fund harm reduction now! 317 00:21:11,052 --> 00:21:13,576 [Dead silence] 318 00:21:15,448 --> 00:21:20,496 We consciously talked about Act Up and what Act Up had done. 319 00:21:21,671 --> 00:21:25,066 And how we wanted for these actions 320 00:21:25,109 --> 00:21:27,242 to make an impact. 321 00:21:28,678 --> 00:21:33,422 This idea of a bottle was the first object we created. 322 00:21:33,466 --> 00:21:36,295 All the museums, institutions 323 00:21:36,338 --> 00:21:39,950 need to stop taking money 324 00:21:39,994 --> 00:21:42,736 from these corrupt, evil bastards. 325 00:21:43,693 --> 00:21:45,782 [Cheers, applause] 326 00:21:57,881 --> 00:22:00,884 I got thrown out of every school and every house 327 00:22:00,928 --> 00:22:02,277 that I lived. 328 00:22:04,148 --> 00:22:06,890 I got thrown out of my parents' home. 329 00:22:06,934 --> 00:22:09,415 I got thrown out of my foster family. 330 00:22:09,458 --> 00:22:11,634 I got thrown out of the communal foster family. 331 00:22:12,722 --> 00:22:14,115 - Seriously? - Yeah. 332 00:22:14,158 --> 00:22:16,726 There's not one I can think of that... 333 00:22:19,381 --> 00:22:21,383 Yeah, I made an art of it. 334 00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:26,301 Okay, but why were you with foster parents? 335 00:22:27,955 --> 00:22:33,308 A psychiatrist told my father that if I stayed in the house, 336 00:22:33,352 --> 00:22:36,920 the same thing would happen as what happened with Barbara. 337 00:22:36,964 --> 00:22:40,228 So my parents sent me to a foster agency. 338 00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:46,495 It was the Jewish adoption agency on Beacon Hill. 339 00:22:47,975 --> 00:22:48,454 Yeah. 340 00:22:49,411 --> 00:22:51,500 I must have been 14. 341 00:22:53,197 --> 00:22:55,896 The woman of the house straightened my hair. 342 00:22:55,939 --> 00:22:58,855 She wanted me to be a WASP basically. 343 00:23:01,902 --> 00:23:03,556 I remember when I first went there, 344 00:23:04,774 --> 00:23:07,516 I projectile vomited all over my room. 345 00:23:08,387 --> 00:23:10,650 I must have been terrified. 346 00:23:13,435 --> 00:23:16,525 I didn't remember that till now. 347 00:23:21,269 --> 00:23:25,926 I landed in a hippie free school that couldn't throw me out. 348 00:23:25,969 --> 00:23:27,014 [Sound of slide projector] 349 00:23:27,841 --> 00:23:30,670 Satya school saved my life. 350 00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:34,238 [Sound of slide projector] 351 00:23:34,282 --> 00:23:38,025 But I was shy beyond social phobia, 352 00:23:39,026 --> 00:23:41,245 like crippling shyness. 353 00:23:43,291 --> 00:23:47,469 There were like six months that I didn't speak at all. 354 00:23:47,513 --> 00:23:51,430 I think my sister's suicide had silenced me. 355 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,783 Until I met David. 356 00:23:59,046 --> 00:24:02,136 He said I was still speaking in a whisper. 357 00:24:02,179 --> 00:24:04,399 [♪♪♪] 358 00:24:04,443 --> 00:24:07,010 I was 15. He was 14. 359 00:24:10,536 --> 00:24:13,321 [♪♪♪] 360 00:24:13,364 --> 00:24:16,106 He was a vision to me. 361 00:24:23,244 --> 00:24:25,115 [♪♪♪] 362 00:24:28,554 --> 00:24:31,731 We met each other, both stealing steaks. 363 00:24:33,863 --> 00:24:35,561 We were shoplifting. 364 00:24:35,604 --> 00:24:39,521 Both of us converged in the steak department. 365 00:24:39,565 --> 00:24:41,567 - Are you serious? - Yes. 366 00:24:41,610 --> 00:24:44,657 Oh, I was a great shoplifter, pretty much all my life. 367 00:24:46,093 --> 00:24:48,922 I'm not sure how good I am anymore, but 368 00:24:48,965 --> 00:24:51,185 that's how we became friends. 369 00:24:54,188 --> 00:24:56,146 David was a great wit, 370 00:24:56,190 --> 00:24:58,018 very ironic, 371 00:24:58,061 --> 00:24:59,323 very precise. 372 00:25:00,455 --> 00:25:02,849 And that was the coin of the realm. 373 00:25:04,328 --> 00:25:08,724 He taught me to use humor as a survival mechanism. 374 00:25:10,770 --> 00:25:13,512 He had this elegance and he was very androgynous, 375 00:25:14,904 --> 00:25:17,951 which was something I was really attracted to. 376 00:25:22,129 --> 00:25:25,524 And one night, we hitchhiked to my brother's dorm, 377 00:25:25,567 --> 00:25:27,613 'cause I was between homes, 378 00:25:27,656 --> 00:25:31,268 and he laid down on the bed and I lay down next to him. 379 00:25:31,312 --> 00:25:34,402 And he got up and lay down on the floor. 380 00:25:36,491 --> 00:25:38,754 And I said, "Are you gay?" 381 00:25:40,277 --> 00:25:41,844 And a light came on for him. 382 00:25:46,196 --> 00:25:47,981 He always said that it was 383 00:25:48,024 --> 00:25:50,679 the first time somebody recognized him. 384 00:25:52,638 --> 00:25:54,378 [Sound of slide projector] 385 00:25:54,422 --> 00:25:55,554 Then he named me Nan. 386 00:25:57,077 --> 00:25:59,558 So I brought him out and he named me Nan. 387 00:26:02,386 --> 00:26:04,954 So we liberated each other. 388 00:26:09,306 --> 00:26:12,527 David was the eye of my storm. 389 00:26:14,921 --> 00:26:18,315 David and Tommy in a sandpit. 390 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,057 That's one of my first photographs. 391 00:26:28,891 --> 00:26:31,590 We all got cameras from Polaroid. 392 00:26:33,113 --> 00:26:36,638 I attached to it more than anybody else at the school. 393 00:26:38,727 --> 00:26:42,078 It was the only language I spoke at the time. 394 00:26:44,820 --> 00:26:48,084 Suddenly I had, you know, a personality, 395 00:26:48,128 --> 00:26:50,173 and it gave me a voice. 396 00:26:54,743 --> 00:26:58,704 Photography was always a way to walk through fear. 397 00:26:58,747 --> 00:27:01,620 Taking a picture is kind of protective. 398 00:27:04,753 --> 00:27:07,495 It gave me a reason to be there. 399 00:27:12,369 --> 00:27:14,154 [Sound of slide projector] 400 00:27:17,287 --> 00:27:19,899 [♪♪♪] 401 00:27:31,214 --> 00:27:34,304 David was living with this most beautiful queen 402 00:27:34,348 --> 00:27:35,871 in Cambridge. 403 00:27:37,307 --> 00:27:41,529 Very quickly, I moved in with them. 404 00:27:41,572 --> 00:27:44,010 [♪♪♪] 405 00:27:48,231 --> 00:27:50,712 We went to Goodwill pretty much every day. 406 00:27:52,583 --> 00:27:55,630 All the rich women were giving their clothes to Goodwill, 407 00:27:55,674 --> 00:27:58,067 and they were exquisite clothes. 408 00:28:00,591 --> 00:28:02,811 Like Fortuny gowns. 409 00:28:10,645 --> 00:28:13,604 And we went to The Other Side every night. 410 00:28:13,648 --> 00:28:16,346 Right away, I felt at home there. 411 00:28:19,698 --> 00:28:23,919 I remember being really excited to take pictures at that time. 412 00:28:26,748 --> 00:28:29,011 It was like a flash of euphoria. 413 00:28:30,099 --> 00:28:33,276 I know when a picture works. 414 00:28:35,452 --> 00:28:37,063 I get a rush. 415 00:28:41,197 --> 00:28:44,723 I would have the film developed in a pharmacy, 416 00:28:44,766 --> 00:28:46,768 and each of them would make 417 00:28:46,812 --> 00:28:48,683 a pile of the pictures of themselves and 418 00:28:48,727 --> 00:28:51,817 compete to see who had the biggest pile. 419 00:28:51,860 --> 00:28:55,516 If they didn't like one of the pictures, they tore them up, 420 00:28:55,559 --> 00:28:57,866 and that was okay with me. 421 00:28:59,215 --> 00:29:02,262 I've always wanted the people in the pictures 422 00:29:02,305 --> 00:29:04,699 to be proud of being in the work. 423 00:29:07,702 --> 00:29:11,401 People have said, "Oh I didn't know I was that beautiful." 424 00:29:11,445 --> 00:29:14,753 Which is, you know, what I want them to feel. 425 00:29:19,714 --> 00:29:21,716 My roommates, 426 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,893 they were running away from America, 427 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,158 and they found each other. 428 00:29:32,553 --> 00:29:35,556 They didn't think, "We're pioneers. We're rebels." 429 00:29:35,599 --> 00:29:37,166 They just were. 430 00:29:38,907 --> 00:29:42,041 It was about living out what they needed to live out 431 00:29:42,084 --> 00:29:45,827 in spite of the reaction from the outside world. 432 00:29:47,655 --> 00:29:51,572 [♪♪♪] 433 00:30:59,683 --> 00:31:03,035 [♪♪♪] 434 00:31:06,038 --> 00:31:07,648 While I was living with the queens, 435 00:31:07,691 --> 00:31:09,519 I started going to art school 436 00:31:09,563 --> 00:31:10,869 for photography. 437 00:31:12,392 --> 00:31:15,134 I wanted the queens to be on the cover of Vogue. 438 00:31:16,526 --> 00:31:19,486 But in those days, that was so far. 439 00:31:22,750 --> 00:31:24,752 [Street noise] 440 00:31:26,754 --> 00:31:30,105 It was a time that was really scary for them. 441 00:31:31,541 --> 00:31:32,891 You could get arrested 442 00:31:32,934 --> 00:31:34,588 walking down the street in Boston. 443 00:31:35,719 --> 00:31:38,592 My roommates stayed home basically, 444 00:31:38,635 --> 00:31:40,594 and they went out at night. 445 00:31:41,377 --> 00:31:42,857 And... 446 00:31:42,901 --> 00:31:45,686 survival was an art. 447 00:31:50,647 --> 00:31:52,562 [Seagulls cawing] 448 00:31:54,564 --> 00:31:58,481 David and I started going to Provincetown in '75. 449 00:31:59,482 --> 00:32:02,921 It was the gay mecca. 450 00:32:04,444 --> 00:32:07,055 I worked in a Portuguese hot dog stand. 451 00:32:07,099 --> 00:32:09,971 And then later, I got a job as a bartender 452 00:32:10,015 --> 00:32:12,931 at the Pied Piper, the lesbian bar. 453 00:32:15,585 --> 00:32:19,067 I was living in this separatist lesbian community. 454 00:32:21,678 --> 00:32:26,640 You know, it was sort of like flannel shirts and tea. 455 00:32:26,683 --> 00:32:30,992 And I'd come from taffeta gowns and Quaaludes. 456 00:32:31,036 --> 00:32:33,125 And so I was kind of the oddball 457 00:32:33,168 --> 00:32:36,737 'cause I would wear pearls and lipstick to the beach. 458 00:32:39,609 --> 00:32:42,656 I fell in love with this beautiful woman. 459 00:32:42,699 --> 00:32:44,266 We were lovers, briefly. 460 00:32:45,398 --> 00:32:47,617 She had lots of other lovers. 461 00:32:50,664 --> 00:32:52,883 I was obsessed with her. 462 00:32:54,624 --> 00:32:57,236 So I photographed her constantly. 463 00:32:59,020 --> 00:33:02,893 I have often used photography as a sublimation for sex. 464 00:33:02,937 --> 00:33:05,113 It's generally better than sex. 465 00:33:09,074 --> 00:33:11,119 I had a button machine. 466 00:33:11,163 --> 00:33:13,643 You know, you take a picture and put it on a button. 467 00:33:13,687 --> 00:33:15,906 - You had a button machine? - Yeah 468 00:33:15,950 --> 00:33:19,040 That was my way of making a living. 469 00:33:19,084 --> 00:33:21,434 Walking up and down Commercial Street in my high heels 470 00:33:22,435 --> 00:33:24,263 with my button machine, 471 00:33:24,306 --> 00:33:28,789 and Cookie and Sharon and Divine and John Waters 472 00:33:28,832 --> 00:33:31,400 came by and had buttons made. 473 00:33:33,098 --> 00:33:36,492 I knew Cookie from John Waters' films, 474 00:33:36,536 --> 00:33:39,060 and I already idolized her. 475 00:33:40,409 --> 00:33:43,195 [♪♪♪] 476 00:33:55,163 --> 00:33:57,818 I'd like to set fire to this dump. 477 00:33:57,861 --> 00:34:00,734 Just cause we're pretty everybody's jealous. 478 00:34:00,777 --> 00:34:04,259 It's like a prison here, even at Christmas it's like a prison. 479 00:34:04,781 --> 00:34:08,698 [♪♪♪] 480 00:34:18,926 --> 00:34:22,582 Cookie was all about finding what was funny in life. 481 00:34:26,977 --> 00:34:30,329 Cookie and Sharon were together for many years. 482 00:34:33,941 --> 00:34:36,509 Sharon was working at a pizza place, 483 00:34:36,552 --> 00:34:38,946 and Cookie came by one night 484 00:34:38,989 --> 00:34:41,644 with her bicycle and her son, Max. 485 00:34:41,688 --> 00:34:43,907 And he had long hair 486 00:34:43,951 --> 00:34:48,216 with gum and popsicle sticks and leaves in it. 487 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,308 And Cookie had on these little Springolator pumps, 488 00:34:53,352 --> 00:34:57,095 but they were held together with safety pins. 489 00:34:59,053 --> 00:35:01,360 And Sharon thought, 490 00:35:01,403 --> 00:35:03,884 "I'm gonna take care of these people." 491 00:35:08,628 --> 00:35:10,760 And then Cookie said to her, 492 00:35:10,804 --> 00:35:12,893 "I believe in timing." 493 00:35:13,763 --> 00:35:15,374 [♪♪♪] 494 00:35:16,462 --> 00:35:19,247 Cookie took Sharon home with her 495 00:35:19,291 --> 00:35:22,685 through a swamp with big pussy willows. 496 00:35:24,774 --> 00:35:27,995 And that was the beginning of Cookie and Sharon. 497 00:35:31,172 --> 00:35:34,654 It was a time of freedom and possibility. 498 00:35:36,090 --> 00:35:38,919 That's when I did my first slideshows. 499 00:35:45,186 --> 00:35:45,882 You ready? 500 00:35:47,057 --> 00:35:49,234 Does everyone have their chant? 501 00:35:50,757 --> 00:35:52,759 That's bullshit, get off it, 502 00:35:52,802 --> 00:35:54,500 They made addicts just for profit. 503 00:35:55,544 --> 00:35:58,068 We were flying last night! 504 00:36:02,247 --> 00:36:04,945 We were ready to do another New York action 505 00:36:04,988 --> 00:36:07,817 and the Met and the Guggenheim to us are like 506 00:36:07,861 --> 00:36:10,429 two of the most important museums. 507 00:36:10,472 --> 00:36:12,648 And we knew that the Guggenheim had 508 00:36:12,692 --> 00:36:15,738 the Sackler Education Center. 509 00:36:15,782 --> 00:36:18,524 So they were like a big target for us. 510 00:36:20,700 --> 00:36:23,659 An important part of the museums we choose is 511 00:36:23,703 --> 00:36:26,923 Nan is typically in the permanent collection. 512 00:36:26,967 --> 00:36:29,709 It's much stronger when the message is coming 513 00:36:29,752 --> 00:36:30,362 from inside the house. 514 00:36:31,580 --> 00:36:34,409 I'm not worried. What if they recognize me? 515 00:36:34,453 --> 00:36:36,237 By the time we did the Guggenheim, 516 00:36:36,281 --> 00:36:38,283 our name was out there. 517 00:36:38,326 --> 00:36:40,023 Other museums were alerted that we might be coming. 518 00:36:41,547 --> 00:36:44,941 I'm supposed to wear it so that no one knows who I am. 519 00:36:45,812 --> 00:36:48,945 That's not drawing attention. 520 00:36:48,989 --> 00:36:51,383 Very subtle disguise. 521 00:36:51,426 --> 00:36:54,081 It calls a little attention, doesn't it? 522 00:36:54,124 --> 00:36:55,038 It's kind of horrible. 523 00:36:56,605 --> 00:37:00,174 The attorney general in Massachusetts had just released 524 00:37:00,218 --> 00:37:02,437 internal emails 525 00:37:02,481 --> 00:37:05,875 and documents of the Sacklers, which were vast, 526 00:37:05,919 --> 00:37:07,964 and had really damning quotes. 527 00:37:09,575 --> 00:37:14,319 One of them was the quote from Richard Sackler, saying that 528 00:37:14,362 --> 00:37:17,147 upon the launch of OxyContin in 1996, 529 00:37:17,191 --> 00:37:20,020 that OxyContin would cover the country 530 00:37:20,063 --> 00:37:23,197 in a "blizzard of prescriptions." 531 00:37:23,241 --> 00:37:26,461 I was like, "What if we made a bunch of prescriptions 532 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,421 "and throw that back in their faces?" 533 00:37:33,729 --> 00:37:36,776 We're trying to align the banners with 534 00:37:36,819 --> 00:37:38,865 the fountain right at the bottom of the spiral? 535 00:37:38,908 --> 00:37:40,083 - Yes. - Okay. 536 00:37:40,127 --> 00:37:42,129 Okay, "Shame on Sacklers," right? 537 00:37:42,651 --> 00:37:43,304 Yeah. 538 00:37:44,610 --> 00:37:46,873 The goal is to get the names off the walls. 539 00:37:46,916 --> 00:37:49,005 As long as the names are there, 540 00:37:49,049 --> 00:37:51,573 they still maintain their hold on their reputation. 541 00:37:53,096 --> 00:37:55,273 They're still whitewashing their reputation. 542 00:37:55,316 --> 00:37:57,187 The museums are still complicit in that. 543 00:38:02,367 --> 00:38:05,326 The energy was definitely right. 544 00:38:05,370 --> 00:38:07,546 The whole museum was already buzzing when we went in. 545 00:38:08,721 --> 00:38:10,070 It was a packed Saturday night. 546 00:38:12,768 --> 00:38:15,684 - Nan, are you ready? - No, where is everyone? 547 00:38:17,773 --> 00:38:19,906 We had a Signal thread, but it was really like, 548 00:38:19,949 --> 00:38:23,083 "Go at this time. If you see prescriptions falling, 549 00:38:23,126 --> 00:38:24,258 "it's starting." 550 00:38:24,302 --> 00:38:25,868 - Are we ready? - Yeah. 551 00:38:27,174 --> 00:38:30,003 [Screams, cheers] 552 00:38:31,918 --> 00:38:34,921 [♪♪♪] 553 00:38:41,797 --> 00:38:44,278 I was at the bottom looking up, 554 00:38:44,322 --> 00:38:46,149 and I checked out for a minute 555 00:38:46,193 --> 00:38:48,369 because I was looking up at the prescription slips 556 00:38:48,413 --> 00:38:53,156 and just like in awe of the visual that it created. 557 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,724 [Encouraging shouts] 558 00:38:58,423 --> 00:39:01,164 Say it loud, say it clear, Sackler name not welcome here! 559 00:39:02,775 --> 00:39:08,128 Say it loud, say it clear, Sackler name does not come here! 560 00:39:08,171 --> 00:39:13,394 Say it loud, say it clear, OxyContin got them here! 561 00:39:14,830 --> 00:39:17,485 I was holding one of the banners. 562 00:39:17,529 --> 00:39:20,053 We looked like we're hundreds and hundreds of activists. 563 00:39:20,096 --> 00:39:21,750 Right? We were not hundreds and hundreds. 564 00:39:23,448 --> 00:39:26,538 People are shouting with us. They're agreeing with us. 565 00:39:27,713 --> 00:39:29,932 - No longer! - No longer! 566 00:39:29,976 --> 00:39:31,630 - No longer! - No longer! 567 00:39:34,067 --> 00:39:38,158 - The Sackler family must go! - The Sackler family must go! 568 00:39:38,201 --> 00:39:42,292 - The Sackler family must pay! - The Sackler family must pay! 569 00:39:42,336 --> 00:39:44,991 - People die! - Sacklers lie! 570 00:39:45,034 --> 00:39:47,210 - People die! - Sacklers lie! 571 00:39:48,081 --> 00:39:51,127 [♪♪♪] 572 00:40:02,356 --> 00:40:07,361 Say it loud, Say it clear, Sacklers are not welcome here! 573 00:40:07,405 --> 00:40:11,626 Say it loud, Say it clear, Sacklers are not welcome here! 574 00:40:13,411 --> 00:40:18,154 We have journeyed from the Guggenheim down to the Met 575 00:40:18,198 --> 00:40:18,764 to send a message, 576 00:40:19,852 --> 00:40:22,463 a message of life and death. 577 00:40:23,421 --> 00:40:25,423 My son was prescribed OxyContin 578 00:40:26,815 --> 00:40:29,470 for a knee surgery in high school. 579 00:40:29,514 --> 00:40:32,473 The doctors told him: "Take the pills every four hours. 580 00:40:33,866 --> 00:40:36,999 "Take them before the pain starts. Take them on schedule." 581 00:40:38,218 --> 00:40:41,177 When my son talked of his pain, I said, 582 00:40:41,221 --> 00:40:43,615 "Did you take your pill?" 583 00:40:43,658 --> 00:40:46,661 I became an accomplice to my son's demise. 584 00:40:47,923 --> 00:40:50,491 - That's not right. - That ain't right! 585 00:40:50,535 --> 00:40:52,885 My son became addicted to OxyContin. 586 00:40:52,928 --> 00:40:54,626 It progressed to heroin. 587 00:40:54,669 --> 00:40:58,194 It took 11 years. But it fucking killed him! 588 00:40:58,238 --> 00:41:02,503 It killed him. It took his life. He died alone in a bathroom. 589 00:41:02,547 --> 00:41:05,245 I don't expect the Sacklers to care about my son. 590 00:41:05,288 --> 00:41:06,333 We care! 591 00:41:06,376 --> 00:41:09,728 But 400,000 lives, right? 592 00:41:09,771 --> 00:41:11,381 Somebody should care about that! 593 00:41:11,860 --> 00:41:12,905 Yes! 594 00:41:21,609 --> 00:41:23,393 And how did the Guggenheim respond? 595 00:41:23,437 --> 00:41:25,178 They didn't say anything. 596 00:41:26,353 --> 00:41:28,703 The museums were keeping quiet. 597 00:41:29,312 --> 00:41:30,488 The first year, 598 00:41:31,924 --> 00:41:34,143 it's like 25 museums were supportive of the Sacklers. 599 00:41:34,187 --> 00:41:36,015 Either said nothing or were supportive. 600 00:41:37,451 --> 00:41:40,149 They know the Sacklers are a bad look... 601 00:41:40,193 --> 00:41:41,281 - For their PR. - Right. 602 00:41:42,935 --> 00:41:47,200 But they're terrified of what will be found out about them. 603 00:41:49,724 --> 00:41:51,813 The rich people are scared that we're going to dig into 604 00:41:52,945 --> 00:41:55,382 the evil way they made money. 605 00:42:04,304 --> 00:42:08,047 [♪♪♪] 606 00:42:41,167 --> 00:42:42,821 I moved to the Bowery in '78. 607 00:42:44,170 --> 00:42:48,478 This place that should have become a museum. 608 00:42:49,697 --> 00:42:51,394 So many people lived there, 609 00:42:51,438 --> 00:42:53,614 and it was one of the big addresses 610 00:42:53,658 --> 00:42:56,095 in lower New York at the time. 611 00:42:58,314 --> 00:43:01,491 It was a shithole loft because there was no light. 612 00:43:01,535 --> 00:43:04,538 It didn't have any walls for a while. 613 00:43:04,582 --> 00:43:07,976 Kind of dysfunctional, but managed to function. 614 00:43:10,500 --> 00:43:14,417 We used to fuck in the elevator. There was a lot of drugs, 615 00:43:14,461 --> 00:43:17,638 Always a lot of drugs, a lot of coke, a lot of speed. 616 00:43:18,465 --> 00:43:20,510 The Bowery was the Ballad. 617 00:43:20,554 --> 00:43:23,165 The Bowery was the Goldin headquarters. 618 00:43:24,732 --> 00:43:27,474 And that's where I was situated in the universe, 619 00:43:27,517 --> 00:43:29,215 was the Bowery. 620 00:43:34,655 --> 00:43:37,702 When I got to New York, this guy gave me some names of galleries. 621 00:43:39,312 --> 00:43:41,575 In those days, you went to galleries with your portfolio. 622 00:43:42,968 --> 00:43:45,274 So I called some galleries, they weren't interested. 623 00:43:45,318 --> 00:43:46,624 And then I went up to see Marvin. 624 00:43:48,016 --> 00:43:50,366 I walked in and showed these photos 625 00:43:50,410 --> 00:43:52,630 that no one had ever seen before. 626 00:43:52,673 --> 00:43:55,676 Totally bad prints and torn. 627 00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:58,548 And immediately, we understood each other. 628 00:44:00,333 --> 00:44:02,465 She showed up one day with a box of pictures, 629 00:44:03,989 --> 00:44:07,296 showed up in this party dress, a polka dot party dress 630 00:44:07,340 --> 00:44:09,211 with a lot of crinolines, 631 00:44:09,255 --> 00:44:10,560 and a kind of weird makeup and... 632 00:44:12,084 --> 00:44:15,130 walked up the very fancy stairs of this gallery and... 633 00:44:16,088 --> 00:44:17,350 had this box of pictures. 634 00:44:17,393 --> 00:44:19,265 And I opened up this box of pictures and 635 00:44:19,308 --> 00:44:21,267 about 20 of them in it and... 636 00:44:21,310 --> 00:44:23,530 I had never seen pictures like that in my life. 637 00:44:23,573 --> 00:44:26,751 These portraits and pictures of people living their lives 638 00:44:26,794 --> 00:44:30,058 that really were unlike anything anybody else was doing. 639 00:44:31,364 --> 00:44:33,671 He asked me to bring more stuff, 640 00:44:33,714 --> 00:44:37,196 and I brought up a crate. 641 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:38,501 [Laughing] 642 00:44:38,545 --> 00:44:41,591 And I got the cab driver to bring me up 643 00:44:41,635 --> 00:44:43,637 by giving him a blow job. 644 00:44:43,681 --> 00:44:46,553 So that's how I entered the art world. 645 00:44:46,596 --> 00:44:48,424 [More laughter] 646 00:44:48,468 --> 00:44:51,253 This was 1979. 647 00:44:51,297 --> 00:44:53,038 [♪♪♪] 648 00:45:03,570 --> 00:45:06,312 The first week we were there, the Mudd Club opened. 649 00:45:07,226 --> 00:45:09,228 And I met Vivienne Dick. 650 00:45:12,100 --> 00:45:14,581 Vivienne was curious about everything, 651 00:45:14,624 --> 00:45:17,715 and a lot of stuff that happened, she took me to. 652 00:45:20,935 --> 00:45:23,677 I mean there were different worlds in New York that 653 00:45:23,721 --> 00:45:25,766 I was moving between, 654 00:45:25,810 --> 00:45:28,638 and they didn't necessarily like each other. 655 00:45:32,207 --> 00:45:33,905 The world of Vivienne 656 00:45:33,948 --> 00:45:37,604 and this woman I lived with named Suzanne... 657 00:45:40,781 --> 00:45:42,348 And Greer... 658 00:45:44,045 --> 00:45:45,264 She was making her dolls all the time, 659 00:45:46,178 --> 00:45:47,440 working constantly. 660 00:45:53,359 --> 00:45:55,317 [♪♪♪] 661 00:45:56,536 --> 00:45:59,626 And then there was the world of Bruce. 662 00:46:02,324 --> 00:46:04,196 And David. 663 00:46:08,766 --> 00:46:10,680 And Cookie. 664 00:46:11,420 --> 00:46:13,814 [♪♪♪] 665 00:46:13,858 --> 00:46:17,775 She was the center of New York downtown life. 666 00:46:21,561 --> 00:46:24,303 [♪♪♪] 667 00:46:28,873 --> 00:46:31,701 People used to say we were marginalized. 668 00:46:32,441 --> 00:46:34,182 And we didn't care. 669 00:46:36,141 --> 00:46:39,144 Normal people were marginalized to us. 670 00:46:43,322 --> 00:46:46,064 Cookie was in films, she was in plays. 671 00:46:47,456 --> 00:46:50,546 And then she was writing art criticism. 672 00:46:53,201 --> 00:46:54,724 Cookie used to say, 673 00:46:54,768 --> 00:46:56,726 "I don't know why people think I'm wild, 674 00:46:56,770 --> 00:46:57,336 "I'm not wild, 675 00:46:59,033 --> 00:47:01,644 "wildness just appears on the road in front of me." 676 00:47:03,255 --> 00:47:07,085 You have to hear her voice. And that tells you everything. 677 00:47:08,216 --> 00:47:11,045 This kind of irony and humor. 678 00:47:12,394 --> 00:47:13,308 " 'You should really wait for Charlie 679 00:47:13,352 --> 00:47:14,614 " 'to come back from the store.' 680 00:47:14,657 --> 00:47:16,050 " 'He's the one to talk to.' 681 00:47:16,094 --> 00:47:18,444 " 'He's right in there buying oranges for us.' 682 00:47:18,487 --> 00:47:19,837 "She pointed to the Haight Street Chinese fruit store, 683 00:47:21,186 --> 00:47:22,840 "but I'd had enough and thanked them 684 00:47:22,883 --> 00:47:23,753 "and left looking for more action. 685 00:47:25,233 --> 00:47:25,799 "These girls were Susan Atkins and Squeaky Fromme and 686 00:47:26,626 --> 00:47:27,366 "Mary Brunner and others. 687 00:47:28,846 --> 00:47:31,718 "And I missed meeting Charlie Manson by 5 minutes." 688 00:47:33,154 --> 00:47:35,853 Cookie was working as a go-go dancer. 689 00:47:37,419 --> 00:47:39,682 I was dancing in New Jersey because 690 00:47:39,726 --> 00:47:43,295 you didn't have to take your top off in New Jersey. 691 00:47:43,338 --> 00:47:45,863 New York was topless. New Jersey wasn't. 692 00:47:47,777 --> 00:47:49,910 [♪♪♪] 693 00:47:49,954 --> 00:47:52,782 So we'd take the bus out to Paterson, 694 00:47:52,826 --> 00:47:57,309 and go to these low life bars, and wiggle our asses, 695 00:47:57,352 --> 00:48:00,878 and then get on this bus and come back to New York. 696 00:48:01,704 --> 00:48:03,619 [♪♪♪] 697 00:48:05,099 --> 00:48:07,885 I was dancing to have money to buy film. 698 00:48:16,284 --> 00:48:19,679 Then I started in the whorehouse. 699 00:48:19,722 --> 00:48:22,029 Yeah, that got pretty ugly. 700 00:48:25,380 --> 00:48:28,122 I haven't kept many secrets in my life. 701 00:48:29,602 --> 00:48:32,735 But I never did talk about it before. 702 00:48:37,436 --> 00:48:39,742 But I think at this point in my life, 703 00:48:39,786 --> 00:48:41,744 I should talk about it 704 00:48:41,788 --> 00:48:45,400 because of the incredible stigma around sex work. 705 00:48:50,753 --> 00:48:53,626 Vivienne got really interested in the fact 706 00:48:53,669 --> 00:48:55,889 that I had worked in a house, 707 00:48:55,933 --> 00:48:59,719 and decided she wanted to make a film about it. 708 00:49:00,807 --> 00:49:02,983 It's a fiction film. 709 00:49:03,027 --> 00:49:06,769 I'm playing the madam of the house where I worked... 710 00:49:06,813 --> 00:49:07,683 who was a monster. 711 00:49:09,207 --> 00:49:11,600 Hi. How are you? Have you been with us before? 712 00:49:11,644 --> 00:49:13,428 She would have us on our backs all day, 713 00:49:13,472 --> 00:49:15,822 and then she'd come home from Bloomingdales, 714 00:49:15,865 --> 00:49:17,998 showing off her lingerie. 715 00:49:20,131 --> 00:49:24,135 I mean sex work isn't negative in itself, but it's no party. 716 00:49:24,178 --> 00:49:27,051 It's one of the hardest jobs you could have. 717 00:49:32,621 --> 00:49:35,537 [Street noise, honking] 718 00:49:35,581 --> 00:49:38,584 And so that's how Tin Pan Alley came. 719 00:49:42,196 --> 00:49:45,895 Somebody said, "You should go meet Maggie." 720 00:49:45,939 --> 00:49:49,464 She was hiring women who had been sex workers, 721 00:49:49,508 --> 00:49:52,598 and helped people get out of it. 722 00:49:52,641 --> 00:49:55,122 She was an incredible force. 723 00:49:55,166 --> 00:49:57,820 She was a community organizer. 724 00:49:57,864 --> 00:49:59,648 She was a great cook. 725 00:50:00,606 --> 00:50:02,956 She was a radical. 726 00:50:03,783 --> 00:50:06,481 And she was a ballet dancer. 727 00:50:06,525 --> 00:50:10,094 So she hired me pretty quickly. Like immediately. 728 00:50:11,573 --> 00:50:15,708 The bar was a safe space for prostitutes and also a way 729 00:50:15,751 --> 00:50:17,579 to work their way out of prostitution 730 00:50:17,623 --> 00:50:19,712 if they wished to do so. 731 00:50:19,755 --> 00:50:22,410 And it was a center for those on the left, 732 00:50:23,411 --> 00:50:24,804 the squatters movement, 733 00:50:24,847 --> 00:50:25,935 the anarchist movement, 734 00:50:25,979 --> 00:50:26,545 the Black movement, 735 00:50:28,460 --> 00:50:29,765 people who were interested in supporting political prisoners 736 00:50:29,809 --> 00:50:30,462 from the Latin left. 737 00:50:31,854 --> 00:50:34,770 And so it was really a polyglot place. 738 00:50:34,814 --> 00:50:39,688 It had hustlers, it had artists, Reuters journalists. 739 00:50:39,732 --> 00:50:43,040 It had people from NBC who were on strike. 740 00:50:43,083 --> 00:50:44,954 And it had the IRS. 741 00:50:46,478 --> 00:50:49,524 When the IRS would come in the afternoon to get drunk, 742 00:50:49,568 --> 00:50:51,874 they were as hard to handle as the bikers. 743 00:50:52,962 --> 00:50:55,878 But the bar was controlled by women. 744 00:50:57,402 --> 00:50:59,969 It was very important to me that we not have bouncers, 745 00:51:00,013 --> 00:51:03,060 and not depend on male strength for keeping the peace. 746 00:51:04,844 --> 00:51:07,238 And so when people behind the bar, including Nan, 747 00:51:07,281 --> 00:51:09,979 decided that it was time for someone to go, 748 00:51:10,023 --> 00:51:11,894 that person would go. 749 00:51:13,896 --> 00:51:16,160 - It's on the house. - Oh, thanks, Nan. 750 00:51:19,902 --> 00:51:21,121 [Pool balls colliding] 751 00:51:25,473 --> 00:51:28,346 Tin Pan was very integrated. 752 00:51:28,389 --> 00:51:32,828 The New Wave was not a very integrated scene at all. 753 00:51:32,872 --> 00:51:35,570 And also it cut across class lines, 754 00:51:35,614 --> 00:51:38,138 which New Wave also didn't do. 755 00:51:38,182 --> 00:51:41,141 I spent a lot of time at Tin Pan but 756 00:51:41,185 --> 00:51:44,753 I can't say...Talk about repetitive nights, you know? 757 00:51:47,495 --> 00:51:49,889 When I first started, I loved it there. 758 00:51:49,932 --> 00:51:51,369 The first two years... 759 00:51:52,500 --> 00:51:54,241 I listened to people. 760 00:51:55,590 --> 00:51:56,939 Really listened. 761 00:51:58,637 --> 00:52:00,769 And they weren't used to that. 762 00:52:02,815 --> 00:52:06,384 I was sort of the dominatrix of the bar and I got tips 763 00:52:06,427 --> 00:52:10,344 because people wanted to impress me, win me back... 764 00:52:11,824 --> 00:52:15,044 And I would work till four in the morning and 765 00:52:15,088 --> 00:52:17,003 then we'd go to The After Hours. 766 00:52:20,093 --> 00:52:22,269 ♪♪♪ [Saxophone] 767 00:52:23,749 --> 00:52:27,056 Tin Pan Alley became a major kind of staging point 768 00:52:28,493 --> 00:52:31,974 as people were planning for the Times Square show. 769 00:52:33,019 --> 00:52:35,195 It was multi-floor. 770 00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,111 It was collaborative. 771 00:52:38,155 --> 00:52:40,157 There was graffiti, 772 00:52:40,853 --> 00:52:42,115 sculpture, 773 00:52:42,159 --> 00:52:43,986 there were painters, 774 00:52:44,030 --> 00:52:45,684 lots of video work. 775 00:52:45,727 --> 00:52:46,946 There was music... 776 00:52:48,991 --> 00:52:51,559 [♪♪♪] 777 00:52:52,604 --> 00:52:54,388 ♪♪♪ [Singing] 778 00:52:58,958 --> 00:53:03,180 The first floor is where most of the performances were. 779 00:53:03,223 --> 00:53:05,225 So Nan invited everyone in the bar. 780 00:53:06,574 --> 00:53:09,882 So, yes, I was anxious to see her work and... 781 00:53:09,925 --> 00:53:12,667 I was sitting on the floor and 782 00:53:12,711 --> 00:53:14,669 this music starts and the slides start. 783 00:53:15,975 --> 00:53:19,370 [♪♪♪] 784 00:54:10,682 --> 00:54:13,250 The work was incredibly political. 785 00:54:13,293 --> 00:54:15,948 It was about power, 786 00:54:15,991 --> 00:54:19,691 and particularly about the power that men have over women, 787 00:54:19,734 --> 00:54:23,651 and how that power is translated up in society. 788 00:54:25,218 --> 00:54:27,699 The very first time I saw Nan's slideshow, 789 00:54:27,742 --> 00:54:29,527 it was extremely raucous. 790 00:54:29,570 --> 00:54:32,443 What I remember mostly is the noise, 791 00:54:32,486 --> 00:54:34,314 not just of the music or of the equipment, 792 00:54:35,707 --> 00:54:38,362 but of people talking to the screen... 793 00:54:39,319 --> 00:54:40,407 Commenting. 794 00:54:42,017 --> 00:54:44,933 At the beginning, the audience would be made up 795 00:54:44,977 --> 00:54:47,501 exclusively of the people in the show, 796 00:54:47,545 --> 00:54:50,330 so they would scream at me if they didn't like something, 797 00:54:50,374 --> 00:54:53,115 and scream if they loved something. 798 00:54:53,159 --> 00:54:56,728 So I edited according to that to some extent. 799 00:54:58,817 --> 00:55:00,732 Then I had those pictures of my friend 800 00:55:00,775 --> 00:55:02,951 having sex with her boyfriend 801 00:55:02,995 --> 00:55:06,128 and she demanded I take them out at some point. 802 00:55:06,172 --> 00:55:10,089 And so that's when I started photographing myself having sex. 803 00:55:10,132 --> 00:55:12,352 I figured if I was showing her having sex, 804 00:55:12,396 --> 00:55:15,834 I had to show myself having sex. 805 00:55:15,877 --> 00:55:18,315 [♪♪♪] 806 00:55:22,101 --> 00:55:24,582 I was doing it at underground clubs and 807 00:55:24,625 --> 00:55:27,889 my boyfriend at the time was spinning records. 808 00:55:27,933 --> 00:55:29,978 [♪♪♪] 809 00:55:30,022 --> 00:55:32,372 So that's when the music started. 810 00:55:32,416 --> 00:55:34,592 I would start with songs that I knew and then 811 00:55:34,635 --> 00:55:36,333 people would send me music, literally. 812 00:55:37,769 --> 00:55:39,988 But I changed them every single time. 813 00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:44,297 It was fun, it was really fun. 814 00:55:44,341 --> 00:55:46,995 People would be dancing. 815 00:55:47,039 --> 00:55:48,432 It was fabulous. 816 00:55:49,215 --> 00:55:52,523 [♪♪♪] 817 00:55:57,310 --> 00:56:00,357 I was always late for everything. 818 00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,054 I didn't sleep. 819 00:56:02,097 --> 00:56:04,665 I mean I was up all night editing. 820 00:56:08,452 --> 00:56:10,628 You never saw the same thing twice. 821 00:56:10,671 --> 00:56:12,804 She changed the music, she changed the slides, 822 00:56:12,847 --> 00:56:14,849 she changed the order of them. 823 00:56:14,893 --> 00:56:18,331 Sometimes her own changed feelings 824 00:56:18,375 --> 00:56:21,116 changed the meanings of them 825 00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:23,728 because her photographs don't hold just one meaning. 826 00:56:25,294 --> 00:56:30,561 You know a lot is going on in a Nan Goldin photograph. 827 00:56:34,913 --> 00:56:36,349 And I guess that's what made people think 828 00:56:36,393 --> 00:56:37,742 it was so cinematic 829 00:56:37,785 --> 00:56:40,832 because to most people, they seem like characters, 830 00:56:40,875 --> 00:56:42,399 whereas to the people being photographed, 831 00:56:42,442 --> 00:56:44,966 they seem like themselves. 832 00:56:46,751 --> 00:56:49,231 She photographs from our side. 833 00:56:52,496 --> 00:56:55,455 The mid-80s was when I was closest to Cookie. 834 00:56:57,457 --> 00:57:01,374 She wasn't doing very well so this friend of hers told her 835 00:57:01,418 --> 00:57:02,723 to spin a globe 836 00:57:03,985 --> 00:57:08,076 and wherever she put her finger, to go there. 837 00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:12,167 So she went to Italy and she met Vittorio. 838 00:57:15,388 --> 00:57:18,173 It was the greatest love of her life. 839 00:57:20,872 --> 00:57:22,569 It was a huge wedding. 840 00:57:22,613 --> 00:57:25,224 Everyone in lower New York was there. 841 00:57:26,007 --> 00:57:28,270 Renee Ricard, 842 00:57:28,314 --> 00:57:31,099 Greer, David Armstrong, 843 00:57:32,536 --> 00:57:34,929 Francesco Clemente, 844 00:57:34,973 --> 00:57:36,453 Terry Toy 845 00:57:38,019 --> 00:57:40,195 Peter Hujar was there. 846 00:57:40,239 --> 00:57:43,895 And we were standing next to each other taking pictures. 847 00:57:45,418 --> 00:57:47,551 It was a beautiful wedding, 848 00:57:50,249 --> 00:57:51,729 and a wild party. 849 00:57:56,473 --> 00:58:00,259 [♪♪♪] 850 00:58:29,201 --> 00:58:31,986 Once I started sharing the work, 851 00:58:32,030 --> 00:58:33,684 I got a lot of shit. 852 00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:37,557 "There's no such thing as a good woman artist," 853 00:58:37,601 --> 00:58:40,734 was said to me in the mid-80s. 854 00:58:41,866 --> 00:58:43,694 It was really heavy resistance... 855 00:58:45,217 --> 00:58:49,569 especially from male artists and gallerists who said, 856 00:58:49,613 --> 00:58:51,136 "This isn't photography. 857 00:58:52,224 --> 00:58:55,532 "Nobody photographs their own life." 858 00:58:55,575 --> 00:59:00,406 It was still a kind of outlier act. 859 00:59:00,449 --> 00:59:05,280 It was basically a time of black and white, vertical photographs. 860 00:59:07,282 --> 00:59:10,155 So it's hard to understand that that 861 00:59:10,198 --> 00:59:12,505 could have ever been radical. 862 00:59:17,118 --> 00:59:19,512 I thought the art world was bullshit and that 863 00:59:19,556 --> 00:59:21,558 Times Square was real life. 864 00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:24,909 That's where I met Brian. 865 00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,175 Our first date, we went to see The Clash 866 00:59:31,393 --> 00:59:33,265 right around the corner from the bar. 867 00:59:34,571 --> 00:59:37,661 And then we went up to Harlem and copped. 868 00:59:39,576 --> 00:59:41,578 And then he just stayed. 869 00:59:41,621 --> 00:59:45,277 And he stayed from '81 to '84. 870 00:59:50,195 --> 00:59:53,764 He was beautiful at the time, and I fell in love with him. 871 00:59:55,592 --> 00:59:57,550 He was very tender. 872 00:59:59,073 --> 01:00:01,249 You can see it in Brian's eyes. 873 01:00:07,342 --> 01:00:09,344 We had very good sex, 874 01:00:09,388 --> 01:00:12,565 and that can keep people together for a long time. 875 01:00:17,178 --> 01:00:19,616 And then we started fighting a lot. 876 01:00:21,226 --> 01:00:23,271 And I was good at fighting. 877 01:00:28,537 --> 01:00:31,671 He wanted to break up and I didn't want him to. 878 01:00:31,715 --> 01:00:35,588 And then we went through that a lot, trying to break up. 879 01:00:37,285 --> 01:00:40,245 And then when I went to Berlin, we'd broken up. 880 01:00:40,288 --> 01:00:43,378 And then he came to Berlin and... 881 01:00:43,422 --> 01:00:45,163 And that story. 882 01:00:48,732 --> 01:00:51,386 I did a slideshow at some loft, 883 01:00:52,083 --> 01:00:54,999 and we went to a bar, 884 01:00:56,696 --> 01:00:59,612 and then he realized I'd been with this girl, 885 01:00:59,656 --> 01:01:01,962 and he became jealous. 886 01:01:03,050 --> 01:01:05,487 And that's what set it off. 887 01:01:08,752 --> 01:01:11,885 We were so intertwined, we didn't know how to break up. 888 01:01:13,321 --> 01:01:16,629 So this was his way of breaking up. 889 01:01:19,588 --> 01:01:23,462 He punched me in the face repeatedly, 890 01:01:23,505 --> 01:01:25,638 like boom, boom, boom. 891 01:01:25,682 --> 01:01:28,902 And he went after my eyes. 892 01:01:28,946 --> 01:01:33,254 I was bleeding and there was this girl, Sylvie, from Paris. 893 01:01:33,298 --> 01:01:35,953 Sylvie came in and dragged me out. 894 01:01:37,128 --> 01:01:38,738 She saved my life. 895 01:01:41,436 --> 01:01:44,744 He trashed the room and he wrote 896 01:01:44,788 --> 01:01:46,746 in lipstick all over the room: 897 01:01:46,790 --> 01:01:48,792 "Bitch," "Cunt"... 898 01:01:49,793 --> 01:01:51,620 He burned my diaries. 899 01:01:53,405 --> 01:01:57,801 The greatest luck of my life is that I left the slideshow 900 01:01:57,844 --> 01:02:00,542 at the loft where I'd shown it 901 01:02:00,586 --> 01:02:02,196 because... 902 01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:04,242 - he would have destroyed it. - He would have destroyed it. 903 01:02:04,285 --> 01:02:05,634 Yeah. 904 01:02:11,510 --> 01:02:16,297 All the bones in the orbital floor of my eye were broken. 905 01:02:17,472 --> 01:02:18,735 And... 906 01:02:18,778 --> 01:02:19,344 To go for your eyes. 907 01:02:20,737 --> 01:02:22,739 Maggie said he wanted to blind me. 908 01:02:26,786 --> 01:02:29,789 My pictures of myself battered 909 01:02:29,833 --> 01:02:32,618 were what kept me from going back. 910 01:02:37,405 --> 01:02:40,452 Women who've been battered have come to me and told me 911 01:02:40,495 --> 01:02:42,367 that they were able to talk about it 912 01:02:42,410 --> 01:02:44,586 because of those pictures. 913 01:02:48,373 --> 01:02:52,812 The struggle between autonomy and dependency is 914 01:02:52,856 --> 01:02:56,033 the core of "The Ballad of Sexual Dependency." 915 01:03:01,734 --> 01:03:05,651 My father tried to get it stopped from being published. 916 01:03:07,871 --> 01:03:10,003 The pictures were one thing, 917 01:03:10,047 --> 01:03:13,920 but they were so afraid of the text... 918 01:03:13,964 --> 01:03:15,792 'cause he said that I was trying to prove 919 01:03:15,835 --> 01:03:18,751 that they killed my sister. 920 01:03:18,795 --> 01:03:20,448 That's how he put it. 921 01:03:22,842 --> 01:03:24,931 Brian was trying to get it stopped. 922 01:03:26,498 --> 01:03:31,024 It makes it even more radical: all these men trying to stop it. 923 01:03:35,507 --> 01:03:39,990 When I got back to New York, I went to Tin Pan. 924 01:03:40,033 --> 01:03:41,818 I was terrified because there were all those men, 925 01:03:43,210 --> 01:03:44,908 and I couldn't be in a crowd with men. 926 01:03:46,344 --> 01:03:49,608 Maggie thought I was shooting dope and I wasn't, 927 01:03:49,651 --> 01:03:51,828 but I was snorting it. 928 01:03:53,655 --> 01:03:56,615 And I remembered when I quit Tin Pan, I thought, 929 01:03:56,658 --> 01:03:59,879 "Oh, now I'm going to get really strung out 930 01:03:59,923 --> 01:04:01,663 "because there's nothing to stop me." 931 01:04:03,622 --> 01:04:04,928 And I did. 932 01:04:12,849 --> 01:04:14,938 It's a little scary around here. 933 01:04:16,504 --> 01:04:18,898 A New York Postreporter called me cold 934 01:04:18,942 --> 01:04:20,813 without being introduced. 935 01:04:20,857 --> 01:04:22,380 He called me on my cell phone. 936 01:04:22,423 --> 01:04:24,686 He said he got it on the internet. 937 01:04:24,730 --> 01:04:26,558 We have to really have the facts 938 01:04:26,601 --> 01:04:28,647 if we're going to go up against this family. 939 01:04:28,690 --> 01:04:30,867 They could sue us, right? 940 01:04:32,694 --> 01:04:34,696 After a few of our actions, 941 01:04:34,740 --> 01:04:37,351 Purdue Pharma started taking out full page ads 942 01:04:37,395 --> 01:04:39,005 in The New York Times, 943 01:04:39,049 --> 01:04:42,617 saying, "Of course we care about the opioid crisis. 944 01:04:42,661 --> 01:04:45,098 "We're in the market of opioids." 945 01:04:46,708 --> 01:04:50,103 People are still accepting Sackler donations. 946 01:04:51,888 --> 01:04:54,368 What's happening with the National Portrait Gallery? 947 01:04:54,412 --> 01:04:56,544 I don't know what's going on with my work 948 01:04:56,588 --> 01:04:58,546 being in the show or not. 949 01:04:58,590 --> 01:05:00,635 What do people think? 950 01:05:00,679 --> 01:05:03,769 It would be a serious blow 951 01:05:03,812 --> 01:05:05,292 if Nan Goldin refuses to show her work there 952 01:05:06,250 --> 01:05:07,729 because of Sackler money. 953 01:05:07,773 --> 01:05:08,252 So... 954 01:05:09,688 --> 01:05:12,604 Nan was set to have a retrospective 955 01:05:12,647 --> 01:05:15,824 at the National Portrait Gallery in the UK, 956 01:05:15,868 --> 01:05:19,089 but they're in the middle of accepting 957 01:05:19,132 --> 01:05:22,396 a $1.3 million grant from the Sacklers. 958 01:05:23,354 --> 01:05:25,138 So Nan told them that 959 01:05:25,182 --> 01:05:27,793 she would not do her retrospective with them 960 01:05:27,836 --> 01:05:29,273 if they were to accept it. 961 01:05:37,455 --> 01:05:38,673 Unbelievable! 962 01:05:39,979 --> 01:05:43,504 Oh man, it's working, right? It's working. 963 01:05:43,548 --> 01:05:45,550 I can't believe it! 964 01:05:45,593 --> 01:05:47,421 When the National Portrait Gallery refused 965 01:05:47,465 --> 01:05:48,857 the donation from the Sacklers, 966 01:05:48,901 --> 01:05:50,772 I thought this is a watershed moment. 967 01:05:50,816 --> 01:05:54,733 This is an incredible rush to think that 968 01:05:54,776 --> 01:05:58,476 people are actually beginning to rethink how we do things. 969 01:06:00,913 --> 01:06:03,742 Let's go over what happened in one week. 970 01:06:03,785 --> 01:06:07,964 I think it doesn't happen to activist groups very often. 971 01:06:08,007 --> 01:06:11,968 On Tuesday, the National Portrait Gallery 972 01:06:12,011 --> 01:06:13,970 was the first to refuse money. 973 01:06:14,013 --> 01:06:14,971 Yeah! 974 01:06:15,884 --> 01:06:18,496 On Thursday, the Tate crumbled. 975 01:06:18,539 --> 01:06:23,457 On Friday, surprisingly, the Guggenheim. 976 01:06:23,501 --> 01:06:24,502 Yeah... 977 01:06:24,545 --> 01:06:26,591 And that was shocking. 978 01:06:26,634 --> 01:06:27,635 [Applause] 979 01:06:29,289 --> 01:06:33,859 Okay, and then those dirty deep bottom feeders, the hedge-fund, 980 01:06:33,902 --> 01:06:35,774 refusing to take the Sackler money, 981 01:06:35,817 --> 01:06:37,645 which is unprecedented. 982 01:06:38,646 --> 01:06:41,040 [Celebrative shouts] 983 01:06:43,042 --> 01:06:45,262 The domino effect was huge. 984 01:06:45,305 --> 01:06:49,701 The fact that this is happening by all these major museums 985 01:06:49,744 --> 01:06:52,747 and also Nan has her hand in every single one, 986 01:06:52,791 --> 01:06:54,488 including the Tate, 987 01:06:54,532 --> 01:06:57,622 is major, and then the Met followed. 988 01:06:57,665 --> 01:07:00,581 But it was not good enough for us. 989 01:07:00,625 --> 01:07:02,061 We had a very clear demand: 990 01:07:02,105 --> 01:07:04,890 No longer accept Sackler money. 991 01:07:04,933 --> 01:07:07,588 Then the next part obviously is take down the name. 992 01:07:14,117 --> 01:07:18,599 Subsequently, we then saw this WhatsApp log 993 01:07:18,643 --> 01:07:22,299 that came out from the Mortimer Sackler family members, 994 01:07:22,342 --> 01:07:25,911 and you actually see them start to talk about Nan Goldin. 995 01:07:25,954 --> 01:07:28,131 They talk about it solely as a 996 01:07:29,436 --> 01:07:31,656 matter of public relations management. 997 01:07:31,699 --> 01:07:34,572 You don't have a single person who says, 998 01:07:34,615 --> 01:07:36,661 "Well, wait a second, 999 01:07:36,704 --> 01:07:38,793 "maybe there's some substance to this critique. 1000 01:07:38,837 --> 01:07:41,144 "We should look hard at what we've done. 1001 01:07:41,187 --> 01:07:43,537 "Is there some way we can make amends? 1002 01:07:43,581 --> 01:07:45,844 "Are there questions we should be asking?" 1003 01:07:45,887 --> 01:07:47,933 Instead, it's just entirely, 1004 01:07:47,976 --> 01:07:51,154 "How do we manage this PR problem?" 1005 01:07:52,764 --> 01:07:55,593 [Sound of passing subway] 1006 01:07:58,335 --> 01:08:01,120 When did you know that you were being followed? 1007 01:08:02,817 --> 01:08:08,780 I was leaving Nan's by myself on a Friday night. 1008 01:08:09,650 --> 01:08:10,912 And... 1009 01:08:12,958 --> 01:08:14,655 I noticed a car. 1010 01:08:16,135 --> 01:08:17,528 I noticed that the person sitting in it 1011 01:08:18,485 --> 01:08:22,141 is obscuring his face. 1012 01:08:22,185 --> 01:08:25,927 And the second I'm directly across from him, 1013 01:08:25,971 --> 01:08:28,539 he kind of looks at me. 1014 01:08:31,759 --> 01:08:37,113 The next week, as I'm crossing my direct street, 1015 01:08:37,156 --> 01:08:38,984 up to the stop sign, 1016 01:08:39,811 --> 01:08:41,508 pulls this car. 1017 01:08:42,509 --> 01:08:45,773 And I looked at him. 1018 01:08:47,645 --> 01:08:50,387 And I just kept walking. 1019 01:08:50,430 --> 01:08:54,173 I walked for like 15 feet or so, and when I looked back, 1020 01:08:54,217 --> 01:08:57,045 he was just taking my photo from his car. 1021 01:08:59,831 --> 01:09:04,009 And like I'm just having a memory of that moment 1022 01:09:04,052 --> 01:09:05,576 because it's like... 1023 01:09:05,619 --> 01:09:06,142 There is no... 1024 01:09:07,969 --> 01:09:10,189 I don't think I've experienced a greater fear than that moment 1025 01:09:10,233 --> 01:09:12,409 'cause I don't know who the fuck this guy is. 1026 01:09:14,150 --> 01:09:17,370 But I know it's the same guy from the week before. 1027 01:09:20,591 --> 01:09:22,070 So I think I even yelled at him, 1028 01:09:22,114 --> 01:09:23,811 but I don't even know if he knew. 1029 01:09:23,855 --> 01:09:27,989 He peeled out, and I was terrified. 1030 01:09:29,034 --> 01:09:30,470 And then, 1031 01:09:31,254 --> 01:09:33,169 imagine my shock 1032 01:09:33,212 --> 01:09:36,955 when the next week, exactly a week later, 1033 01:09:36,998 --> 01:09:39,523 this guy is outside of Nan's. 1034 01:09:47,183 --> 01:09:50,360 We just walked out of Nan's house. 1035 01:09:50,403 --> 01:09:53,624 The same car is in front of the house again. 1036 01:10:01,936 --> 01:10:04,200 And the guy is... 1037 01:10:05,984 --> 01:10:06,985 right there... 1038 01:10:07,812 --> 01:10:10,467 watching me film him right now. 1039 01:10:13,252 --> 01:10:15,385 He's pulling out right now. 1040 01:10:21,129 --> 01:10:23,219 I went out with my wife and two children. 1041 01:10:23,262 --> 01:10:24,394 I have two small boys. 1042 01:10:25,569 --> 01:10:26,309 We walked out one day to run an errand, 1043 01:10:27,571 --> 01:10:29,094 and we're getting into the car, 1044 01:10:29,137 --> 01:10:32,053 and a neighbor came over and she said, 1045 01:10:32,097 --> 01:10:35,970 "Hey, I don't want to freak you out, but just up there, 1046 01:10:36,014 --> 01:10:37,363 "there's a guy who's parked across the street from my house 1047 01:10:38,625 --> 01:10:41,106 "in an SUV, and he's been there all day, 1048 01:10:41,149 --> 01:10:42,325 "and I think he's watching your house." 1049 01:10:43,587 --> 01:10:44,283 So the first thing I thought, of course, 1050 01:10:45,719 --> 01:10:46,459 is that I knew that Nan had had this experience 1051 01:10:47,678 --> 01:10:49,462 and Megan had had this experience. 1052 01:10:51,769 --> 01:10:56,513 And so it felt of a piece in terms of the M.O. 1053 01:10:58,645 --> 01:11:00,734 When I was fact-checking my book, 1054 01:11:00,778 --> 01:11:03,868 I asked Purdue if they knew anything about 1055 01:11:03,911 --> 01:11:06,087 these people who've been following Nan, and Megan 1056 01:11:06,131 --> 01:11:08,046 and me and... 1057 01:11:08,089 --> 01:11:11,049 Purdue came back and said, 1058 01:11:11,092 --> 01:11:13,094 "Absolutely not. Of course, we would never do such a thing. 1059 01:11:13,138 --> 01:11:14,705 "That's outrageous." 1060 01:11:14,748 --> 01:11:17,273 Really strenuously denying it and... 1061 01:11:17,316 --> 01:11:20,276 in my queries to the Sacklers, I asked the same thing and... 1062 01:11:21,625 --> 01:11:24,018 There were some of the things I asked about 1063 01:11:24,062 --> 01:11:25,585 that they came back and denied. 1064 01:11:25,629 --> 01:11:27,370 And this was notone of them. 1065 01:11:28,806 --> 01:11:31,287 [Street noise] 1066 01:11:37,380 --> 01:11:39,643 Bob is one of our board members. 1067 01:11:41,862 --> 01:11:43,168 Hi, how are you? 1068 01:11:43,211 --> 01:11:44,996 Now, admittedly... 1069 01:11:45,039 --> 01:11:46,824 It's a little crazy here. 1070 01:11:48,956 --> 01:11:51,524 So has anybody had a Narcan kit before 1071 01:11:51,568 --> 01:11:53,831 or have been through a Narcan training? 1072 01:11:53,874 --> 01:11:56,442 Yeah, I got a kit a couple of weeks ago. 1073 01:11:56,486 --> 01:11:58,183 I have a kit in my house, but I haven't been trained. 1074 01:11:59,750 --> 01:12:02,840 So I'm just going to go over a couple of the essentials, 1075 01:12:02,883 --> 01:12:05,016 signs and symptoms of an opiate overdose, 1076 01:12:05,059 --> 01:12:06,322 and how to use Narcan 1077 01:12:06,365 --> 01:12:07,584 to reverse an opiate overdose, okay? 1078 01:12:09,020 --> 01:12:10,804 So if you see somebody who you think 1079 01:12:10,848 --> 01:12:12,763 could be experiencing an opiate overdose, 1080 01:12:12,806 --> 01:12:15,331 you say, "Are you okay?" They don't respond. 1081 01:12:15,374 --> 01:12:18,029 You do the sternal rub, they still don't respond. 1082 01:12:18,072 --> 01:12:19,117 You may shake them. 1083 01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:20,901 If they still don't respond, 1084 01:12:20,945 --> 01:12:22,207 that's when you're gonna give Narcan. 1085 01:12:22,250 --> 01:12:23,295 So you're going to give Narcan and call 911. 1086 01:12:24,862 --> 01:12:26,254 You can do whichever you want to do first, but do both. 1087 01:12:27,691 --> 01:12:31,303 Open it up, hold it. Spray it up their nose, okay? 1088 01:12:31,347 --> 01:12:31,825 If it's not an overdose, 1089 01:12:33,436 --> 01:12:35,046 it's not going to hurt them and it won't work. 1090 01:12:35,089 --> 01:12:36,830 But if it is an overdose, it's gonna save their life. 1091 01:12:36,874 --> 01:12:37,353 Okay? 1092 01:12:39,267 --> 01:12:41,269 Focusing on harm reduction is what's going to bring people 1093 01:12:41,313 --> 01:12:42,401 out of this crisis. 1094 01:12:44,055 --> 01:12:46,971 Safe consumption sites, reducing stigma and helping drug users 1095 01:12:47,014 --> 01:12:49,277 is the long goal, so... 1096 01:12:51,454 --> 01:12:54,282 [Sound of train passing above] 1097 01:12:58,983 --> 01:13:01,420 Okay, we're going to start the hearing. 1098 01:13:01,464 --> 01:13:02,334 Good morning. 1099 01:13:03,596 --> 01:13:05,598 I'd like to welcome you to today's hearing 1100 01:13:05,642 --> 01:13:10,298 on the adequacy of funding for substance use disorder services. 1101 01:13:10,342 --> 01:13:11,256 Our next witness is Nan Goldin, 1102 01:13:12,736 --> 01:13:17,131 founder of Prescription Addiction Intervention Now. 1103 01:13:17,175 --> 01:13:21,092 I'm gonna speak, by and large, from the personal experience. 1104 01:13:21,135 --> 01:13:23,399 That maybe will help inform you of what it means, 1105 01:13:24,835 --> 01:13:26,619 some of these bills that you're trying to pass, 1106 01:13:27,751 --> 01:13:31,189 what it actually impacts on a human being. 1107 01:13:31,232 --> 01:13:34,801 I wouldn't have gotten off Oxy without buprenorphine. 1108 01:13:35,933 --> 01:13:38,239 On a small dose of buprenorphine, 1109 01:13:38,283 --> 01:13:40,416 cravings for opioids are reduced. 1110 01:13:40,459 --> 01:13:42,200 At larger doses, 1111 01:13:42,243 --> 01:13:43,941 you can't even feel the effects of opioids 1112 01:13:43,984 --> 01:13:45,333 if you try. 1113 01:13:45,377 --> 01:13:47,379 I was one of the lucky ones 1114 01:13:47,423 --> 01:13:48,815 who was able to access MAT immediately 1115 01:13:49,860 --> 01:13:51,514 and afford good treatment. 1116 01:13:51,557 --> 01:13:54,342 Doctors need to pay to train and receive a waiver 1117 01:13:54,386 --> 01:13:56,475 to prescribe buprenorphine, 1118 01:13:56,519 --> 01:13:58,390 when no such certificate is required 1119 01:13:58,434 --> 01:13:59,435 to prescribe OxyContin. 1120 01:14:00,827 --> 01:14:03,395 Again, this is a policy that increases the stigma 1121 01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:05,615 in the medical community 1122 01:14:05,658 --> 01:14:08,487 about treating people addicted to drugs. 1123 01:14:08,531 --> 01:14:10,707 People need to be kept alive. 1124 01:14:10,750 --> 01:14:15,015 Addiction is not a moral issue. It is not a criminal issue. 1125 01:14:15,059 --> 01:14:17,409 Harm reduction means not only 1126 01:14:17,453 --> 01:14:19,324 recovering the harm caused by the disease of addiction, 1127 01:14:20,804 --> 01:14:24,938 but also the harm caused by the social and moral assault 1128 01:14:24,982 --> 01:14:27,593 on people with substance use disorder. 1129 01:14:29,813 --> 01:14:31,336 Thank you very much. 1130 01:14:31,379 --> 01:14:33,251 It's important to hear from people who take 1131 01:14:33,294 --> 01:14:35,383 Medication-Assisted Treatment [MAT]. 1132 01:14:35,427 --> 01:14:36,341 But I'm not ashamed of it. 1133 01:14:36,776 --> 01:14:37,951 No. 1134 01:14:37,995 --> 01:14:40,171 And it's not my road to recovery. 1135 01:14:40,214 --> 01:14:41,477 - It ismy recovery. - That's important to share. 1136 01:14:42,869 --> 01:14:45,393 People think you have to be off everything 1137 01:14:45,437 --> 01:14:47,221 in order to be in recovery, 1138 01:14:47,265 --> 01:14:49,310 and that's certainly not true. 1139 01:14:49,354 --> 01:14:50,921 Yeah, the stigma is terrible. 1140 01:14:51,835 --> 01:14:53,184 Okay. Thank you so much. 1141 01:15:11,376 --> 01:15:12,725 Lock arms? 1142 01:15:17,251 --> 01:15:22,300 We joined with Housing Works and Vocal New York, 1143 01:15:22,343 --> 01:15:24,694 who really wanted to do an action... 1144 01:15:24,737 --> 01:15:27,305 - We are here... - We are here... 1145 01:15:27,348 --> 01:15:30,351 - to draw attention to... - to draw attention to... 1146 01:15:30,395 --> 01:15:33,703 - Overdose Awareness Day! - Overdose Awareness Day! 1147 01:15:34,878 --> 01:15:35,792 - No stigma! - No shame! 1148 01:15:36,967 --> 01:15:37,750 - No stigma! - No shame! 1149 01:15:38,925 --> 01:15:40,536 - No stigma! - No shame! 1150 01:15:44,148 --> 01:15:46,193 In order to do the harm reduction, 1151 01:15:46,237 --> 01:15:49,545 the safe consumption sites invite people in and say, 1152 01:15:49,588 --> 01:15:50,241 "Look... 1153 01:15:51,329 --> 01:15:54,419 "Whatever you're dependent on is not 1154 01:15:54,462 --> 01:15:56,290 "what we question right now. 1155 01:15:56,334 --> 01:15:59,076 "We just want you to be able to do it in a safe way. 1156 01:15:59,119 --> 01:16:00,338 "Not put anybody at risk." 1157 01:16:01,861 --> 01:16:03,602 "Here's how to shoot up in a clean way." 1158 01:16:05,299 --> 01:16:09,347 "You don't know what you bought, we'll test it for you." 1159 01:16:09,390 --> 01:16:13,003 - Hey Cuomo, what do you say? - How many people died today? 1160 01:16:14,134 --> 01:16:16,615 [Chanting continues] 1161 01:16:21,359 --> 01:16:25,319 No more deaths! No more deaths! No more deaths! 1162 01:16:27,539 --> 01:16:30,934 [Shouts and cheering] 1163 01:16:33,676 --> 01:16:34,546 [Sound of slide projector] 1164 01:16:45,078 --> 01:16:49,561 I went to rehab for the first time in 1988. 1165 01:16:53,826 --> 01:16:57,308 I had been kind of isolated from my friends. 1166 01:16:59,745 --> 01:17:02,530 I thought I was going back to my community... 1167 01:17:04,141 --> 01:17:08,406 And then I realized most of the people were dead or dying. 1168 01:17:08,449 --> 01:17:10,538 We'll never be silent again, Act Up! 1169 01:17:10,582 --> 01:17:12,323 We'll never be silent again, Act Up! 1170 01:17:13,193 --> 01:17:15,848 [Protesters continue shouting] 1171 01:17:20,070 --> 01:17:23,073 Act Up! Fight Back! Fight AIDS! 1172 01:17:23,116 --> 01:17:25,902 Act Up! Fight Back! Fight AIDS! 1173 01:17:27,425 --> 01:17:31,516 [Screaming, cheering in street] 1174 01:17:36,695 --> 01:17:38,828 It was like World War II. 1175 01:17:40,220 --> 01:17:42,875 We watched everybody get wiped out, 1176 01:17:42,919 --> 01:17:45,095 and there was nothing we could do. 1177 01:17:52,319 --> 01:17:54,931 I got a call from Artists Space, 1178 01:17:54,974 --> 01:17:57,455 and they asked me to curate a show. 1179 01:17:59,892 --> 01:18:03,330 I wanted the subject of it to be AIDS. 1180 01:18:03,374 --> 01:18:07,683 And I was told there hadn't been any shows about AIDS. 1181 01:18:11,991 --> 01:18:16,561 I asked all my friends to contribute something 1182 01:18:16,604 --> 01:18:19,607 because I wanted it to be a community. 1183 01:18:19,651 --> 01:18:22,567 It was the first show I curated. 1184 01:18:25,483 --> 01:18:28,399 Mortality no longer feels like some abstraction 1185 01:18:28,442 --> 01:18:31,663 that I could push away to the age of 80 or 90 or... 1186 01:18:31,707 --> 01:18:33,926 There's no longer a luxury of 1187 01:18:35,058 --> 01:18:37,713 pushing the idea of mortality away. 1188 01:18:41,281 --> 01:18:44,763 David Wojnarowicz was my spiritual guide. 1189 01:18:44,807 --> 01:18:47,113 He was my political guide. 1190 01:18:53,337 --> 01:18:53,859 "If you want to stop AIDS, shoot the queers," 1191 01:18:55,121 --> 01:18:55,905 says the governor of Texas on the radio. 1192 01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:58,603 And his press secretary later claims 1193 01:18:58,646 --> 01:19:00,474 the governor was only joking, 1194 01:19:00,518 --> 01:19:02,694 and didn't know the microphone was turned on. 1195 01:19:02,738 --> 01:19:04,348 And besides, he didn't think it would hurt his chances 1196 01:19:04,391 --> 01:19:06,176 for re-election anyways. 1197 01:19:06,219 --> 01:19:07,177 And I wake up every morning. 1198 01:19:09,005 --> 01:19:10,920 I wake up every morning in this killing machine called America, 1199 01:19:10,963 --> 01:19:13,487 and I'm carrying this rage like a blood-filled egg. 1200 01:19:13,531 --> 01:19:14,880 And there's a thin line, 1201 01:19:14,924 --> 01:19:17,491 a thin line between the inside and outside, 1202 01:19:17,535 --> 01:19:18,579 a thin line between thought and action. 1203 01:19:20,233 --> 01:19:23,802 And that line is simply made up of blood and muscle and bone. 1204 01:19:23,846 --> 01:19:26,370 I've been looking all my life at the signs around us, 1205 01:19:26,413 --> 01:19:28,502 in the media, or on people's lips, 1206 01:19:28,546 --> 01:19:29,765 the religious types outside St Patrick's Cathedral, 1207 01:19:31,157 --> 01:19:33,464 shouting to the men and women in the gay parade: 1208 01:19:33,507 --> 01:19:36,641 "You won't be here next year. You'll get AIDS and die! Ha ha!" 1209 01:19:43,300 --> 01:19:47,347 Nan Goldin curated this show with the idea of 1210 01:19:47,391 --> 01:19:51,787 choosing the work of people that she knew 1211 01:19:51,830 --> 01:19:53,353 who were affected by AIDS, 1212 01:19:53,397 --> 01:19:55,268 who were living with AIDS. 1213 01:19:57,575 --> 01:20:00,883 She wanted to dispel the notion of AIDS victim. 1214 01:20:02,885 --> 01:20:05,583 Now, I'm hardly a victim if I can resist. 1215 01:20:05,626 --> 01:20:09,979 What I see is institutionalized ignorance about this epidemic. 1216 01:20:12,895 --> 01:20:16,463 She also wanted to deal with issues of sexuality 1217 01:20:16,507 --> 01:20:18,901 in the midst of this epidemic. 1218 01:20:21,686 --> 01:20:23,949 That there was sexuality, there was safe sexuality, 1219 01:20:25,168 --> 01:20:29,041 and that this was going to continue to occur, 1220 01:20:29,085 --> 01:20:31,652 despite the silencing of that information 1221 01:20:31,696 --> 01:20:33,829 by a church or government. 1222 01:20:36,527 --> 01:20:39,747 There is really important work in the show. 1223 01:20:40,879 --> 01:20:44,143 Like David's. Like Peter Hujar's. 1224 01:20:46,885 --> 01:20:48,800 Philip-Lorca diCorcia. 1225 01:20:49,845 --> 01:20:51,672 Mark Morrisroe. 1226 01:20:52,630 --> 01:20:54,588 Greer Lankton. 1227 01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:56,721 Darrel Ellis. 1228 01:20:58,157 --> 01:21:01,769 People both really well-known and people unknown. 1229 01:21:04,250 --> 01:21:07,471 It was about the loss of a community. 1230 01:21:08,733 --> 01:21:12,606 And trying to keep people's legacy alive. 1231 01:21:18,743 --> 01:21:21,441 I called David and asked him to write for my catalogue. 1232 01:21:23,139 --> 01:21:27,926 I sent him pictures of some of the work that was in it, 1233 01:21:27,970 --> 01:21:30,886 and I said, "You can write whatever you want. 1234 01:21:30,929 --> 01:21:32,017 "I'll support whatever you write." 1235 01:21:33,323 --> 01:21:36,587 I was asked to write a catalogue essay 1236 01:21:36,630 --> 01:21:39,459 pertaining to a show dealing with AIDS 1237 01:21:39,503 --> 01:21:40,939 and a community of people. 1238 01:21:40,983 --> 01:21:42,898 So I started talking about 1239 01:21:42,941 --> 01:21:45,770 what I was experiencing right there in my life and 1240 01:21:45,813 --> 01:21:47,728 dealing with image and representation 1241 01:21:47,772 --> 01:21:49,992 and everything seen through the framework 1242 01:21:50,035 --> 01:21:53,604 of having a taboo disease in this society. 1243 01:21:55,171 --> 01:21:58,739 I loved that this tiny, little, skinny catalogue 1244 01:21:58,783 --> 01:22:02,569 with thumbnail reproductions in black and white 1245 01:22:02,613 --> 01:22:06,182 could cause a major political shake-up. 1246 01:22:08,967 --> 01:22:11,056 At the Artists Space Gallery in Tribeca, 1247 01:22:11,100 --> 01:22:13,972 preparations are still underway for next week's exhibit, 1248 01:22:14,016 --> 01:22:17,845 but the National Endowment of the Arts has canceled its grant. 1249 01:22:17,889 --> 01:22:20,022 The National Endowment for the Arts refuses to sponsor 1250 01:22:20,065 --> 01:22:22,154 an art show here in New York City 1251 01:22:22,198 --> 01:22:24,765 because it deals with AIDS and homosexuality 1252 01:22:24,809 --> 01:22:25,810 and also offends some political sensibilities. 1253 01:22:27,377 --> 01:22:29,988 One thing I want to point out is that it's artist-organized. 1254 01:22:30,032 --> 01:22:33,122 It's organized by a photographer named Nan Goldin... 1255 01:22:33,165 --> 01:22:37,648 Susan Wyatt, the director, got nervous about David's writing, 1256 01:22:37,691 --> 01:22:38,997 and so she took it to the NEA. 1257 01:22:40,738 --> 01:22:44,698 The catalogue reportedly criticizes Senator Jesse Helms 1258 01:22:44,742 --> 01:22:47,527 for his position on homosexuality and art, 1259 01:22:47,571 --> 01:22:49,921 and calls New York Cardinal O'Connor 1260 01:22:49,965 --> 01:22:52,358 "a fat cannibal in a black skirt." 1261 01:22:54,534 --> 01:22:56,710 You think the phone is gonna ring again? 1262 01:22:56,754 --> 01:22:58,234 Any minute. 1263 01:22:58,277 --> 01:22:58,756 About what? What do you think it's gonna be? 1264 01:22:59,844 --> 01:23:01,715 It's probably Cardinal O'Connor, 1265 01:23:01,759 --> 01:23:03,979 expressing his direct support of my statements. 1266 01:23:05,545 --> 01:23:09,897 And admitting that since he does feast on the body of Christ, 1267 01:23:09,941 --> 01:23:11,943 that he is a cannibal, 1268 01:23:11,987 --> 01:23:14,119 and that, yes, he does have a penchant for black skirts. 1269 01:23:15,338 --> 01:23:19,603 He is fat, translucent and immoral. 1270 01:23:24,869 --> 01:23:27,828 After the news first broke, David called, really upset, 1271 01:23:29,352 --> 01:23:33,617 and told me that they were trying to make him take out 1272 01:23:33,660 --> 01:23:36,620 "fat fucking cannibal in black skirts." 1273 01:23:38,665 --> 01:23:40,798 I think it's very dangerous and very scary. 1274 01:23:40,841 --> 01:23:44,889 I see an outbreak of McCarthyism and a blacklisting of artists... 1275 01:23:44,932 --> 01:23:46,891 if this is continued to allow to happen. 1276 01:23:50,068 --> 01:23:52,636 What happened is that the artistic focus of the show 1277 01:23:53,376 --> 01:23:54,072 really was lost. 1278 01:23:55,639 --> 01:23:58,207 And what turned out to be the show in its present form, 1279 01:23:59,425 --> 01:24:02,254 was not and is not sound artistically. 1280 01:24:03,821 --> 01:24:05,431 Composer Leonard Bernstein managed to become embroiled 1281 01:24:06,432 --> 01:24:07,042 in the controversy. 1282 01:24:08,652 --> 01:24:10,828 This after declining the National Medal of Arts 1283 01:24:10,871 --> 01:24:13,874 because of the NEA action taking away the grant. 1284 01:24:15,050 --> 01:24:16,877 And the thing that makes me laugh is, 1285 01:24:16,921 --> 01:24:19,184 if at this point in time, 1286 01:24:19,228 --> 01:24:21,056 images and words that have been made 1287 01:24:21,099 --> 01:24:23,667 by an individual have such power 1288 01:24:23,710 --> 01:24:27,062 to create this storm of controversy... 1289 01:24:27,105 --> 01:24:28,715 Isn't that great? 1290 01:24:28,759 --> 01:24:30,108 It means that the control of information 1291 01:24:30,152 --> 01:24:32,545 has a crack in its wall. 1292 01:24:36,984 --> 01:24:38,464 Hello. 1293 01:24:38,508 --> 01:24:39,465 Yeah. 1294 01:24:40,597 --> 01:24:41,728 Hi... 1295 01:24:43,687 --> 01:24:45,210 Well, it's just been a zoo. 1296 01:24:45,254 --> 01:24:47,517 Senator Alfonse D'Amato tore up an art catalogue 1297 01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:48,083 on the Senate floor... 1298 01:24:49,562 --> 01:24:51,869 How can they ignore the political aspect of AIDS? 1299 01:24:51,912 --> 01:24:54,567 Is the fact that I may be dying of AIDS in 1989, 1300 01:24:54,611 --> 01:24:55,177 is that not political? 1301 01:24:56,613 --> 01:24:57,266 Is the fact that I don't have health insurance and 1302 01:24:58,789 --> 01:25:00,007 I don't have access to adequate health care? 1303 01:25:00,051 --> 01:25:02,227 Is that not political? 1304 01:25:07,885 --> 01:25:11,193 [♪♪♪] 1305 01:25:15,675 --> 01:25:18,591 Vittorio was given three months to live 1306 01:25:18,635 --> 01:25:21,551 and he started drawing cartoons. 1307 01:25:29,298 --> 01:25:32,649 He was still alive a year and a half later. 1308 01:25:35,130 --> 01:25:38,481 That's the wake of Vittorio. 1309 01:25:45,618 --> 01:25:47,881 Cookie had already lost her voice. 1310 01:25:48,926 --> 01:25:51,276 She was constantly writing 1311 01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:54,497 so people could see what she needed and wanted. 1312 01:25:56,194 --> 01:25:59,415 Then Sharon came back to take care of Cookie. 1313 01:26:03,897 --> 01:26:07,205 The picture of Sharon nursing Cookie... 1314 01:26:07,249 --> 01:26:10,252 To me, this is the meaning of love. 1315 01:26:15,866 --> 01:26:17,868 I was raging. 1316 01:26:17,911 --> 01:26:20,218 "Call this doctor. Call that doctor. 1317 01:26:20,262 --> 01:26:22,655 "Someone's gonna be able to help her. 1318 01:26:22,699 --> 01:26:24,179 "There's got to be something. 1319 01:26:24,222 --> 01:26:26,790 "There's a treatment out there somewhere." 1320 01:26:26,833 --> 01:26:28,400 And then to realize there was no doctor to call. 1321 01:26:29,532 --> 01:26:31,882 It was just... I didn't get it. 1322 01:26:49,595 --> 01:26:52,859 We had Cookie's Memorial at St Mark's Church, 1323 01:26:52,903 --> 01:26:55,949 and the next day, "Witnesses" opened. 1324 01:26:58,822 --> 01:27:01,085 My name is David Wojnarowicz. 1325 01:27:01,128 --> 01:27:03,043 And I'd like to read this in memory of Peter Hujar, 1326 01:27:03,087 --> 01:27:05,829 Keith Davis, Bibi Smith, 1327 01:27:05,872 --> 01:27:07,483 Cookie Mueller, Vittorio. 1328 01:27:09,180 --> 01:27:12,183 One of the first steps in making the private grief public 1329 01:27:12,227 --> 01:27:14,707 is the ritual of memorials, 1330 01:27:14,751 --> 01:27:16,056 and I've attended a number of memorials 1331 01:27:16,100 --> 01:27:17,971 in the last five years, 1332 01:27:18,015 --> 01:27:19,321 and at the last one I attended, 1333 01:27:19,364 --> 01:27:21,018 I suddenly found myself experiencing 1334 01:27:21,061 --> 01:27:23,063 something akin to rage. 1335 01:27:23,107 --> 01:27:24,108 What made me angry, 1336 01:27:25,501 --> 01:27:26,676 what made me angry was realizing that the memorial 1337 01:27:26,719 --> 01:27:28,068 had little reverberation 1338 01:27:28,112 --> 01:27:29,766 outside the room it was held in, 1339 01:27:29,809 --> 01:27:31,376 and at the same time, worry that friends 1340 01:27:31,420 --> 01:27:33,422 will solely become professional pallbearers, 1341 01:27:33,465 --> 01:27:36,381 waiting for each death of their lovers, friends and neighbors, 1342 01:27:36,425 --> 01:27:38,731 and polishing their funereal speeches, 1343 01:27:38,775 --> 01:27:40,777 perfecting their rituals of death rather than 1344 01:27:40,820 --> 01:27:42,953 a relatively simple ritual of life, 1345 01:27:42,996 --> 01:27:44,520 such as screaming in the streets. 1346 01:27:46,391 --> 01:27:50,090 Not the church! Not the state! We decide what art is great! 1347 01:27:50,787 --> 01:27:54,269 [Protesters chanting] 1348 01:27:56,575 --> 01:27:58,447 Step on the sidewalk, can't stay in the street. 1349 01:27:58,490 --> 01:28:00,057 And I imagine what it would be like 1350 01:28:00,100 --> 01:28:01,667 if friends had a demonstration 1351 01:28:01,711 --> 01:28:04,757 each time a lover or a friend or a stranger died of AIDS. 1352 01:28:04,801 --> 01:28:06,411 And I imagine what it would be like, 1353 01:28:06,455 --> 01:28:09,196 each time a lover or friend or stranger died of AIDS, 1354 01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:10,546 or of this disease, 1355 01:28:10,589 --> 01:28:11,764 their friends, lovers or neighbors 1356 01:28:11,808 --> 01:28:12,374 would take their dead body 1357 01:28:14,201 --> 01:28:17,030 and drive with it in a car 100 mph to Washington, D.C., 1358 01:28:17,074 --> 01:28:18,902 and blast through the gates of the White House 1359 01:28:18,945 --> 01:28:20,947 and come to a screeching halt before the entrance, 1360 01:28:20,991 --> 01:28:24,124 and then dump their lifeless forms on the front steps. 1361 01:28:25,387 --> 01:28:28,433 But bottom line, even a tiny charcoal scratch 1362 01:28:28,477 --> 01:28:30,130 done as a gesture to mark a person's response 1363 01:28:30,174 --> 01:28:30,870 to this epidemic, 1364 01:28:32,481 --> 01:28:34,961 means whole worlds to me, if it's hung in public. 1365 01:28:35,005 --> 01:28:35,701 And bottom line, 1366 01:28:37,616 --> 01:28:39,444 we have to find our own forms of gesture and communication. 1367 01:28:39,488 --> 01:28:41,316 You can never depend on the mass media to reflect us 1368 01:28:42,708 --> 01:28:45,929 or our needs or our states of mind. 1369 01:28:45,972 --> 01:28:47,974 [Chanting] 1370 01:28:48,018 --> 01:28:51,935 NEA stop your tricks, Art is sex and politics. 1371 01:28:54,981 --> 01:28:59,246 Mark Morrisroe died soon after it opened. 1372 01:29:01,161 --> 01:29:02,902 [♪♪♪] 1373 01:29:04,295 --> 01:29:07,646 David Wojnarowicz died in 1992. 1374 01:29:12,216 --> 01:29:15,219 People don't really understand the anger, and frustration, 1375 01:29:15,262 --> 01:29:17,961 and pain of those years. 1376 01:29:22,357 --> 01:29:25,925 They don't understand what we went through. 1377 01:29:31,366 --> 01:29:33,498 It's still killing people. 1378 01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:36,849 It never went away. 1379 01:29:40,766 --> 01:29:44,161 David Armstrong died in 2014. 1380 01:29:48,208 --> 01:29:52,474 You know we spent a lot of our life together. 1381 01:29:56,260 --> 01:29:58,784 Decades of friendship. 1382 01:30:07,271 --> 01:30:09,839 [Fountain spewing] 1383 01:30:20,371 --> 01:30:24,288 ...Sacklers, we're dying, and the Louvre covers it up! 1384 01:30:24,331 --> 01:30:27,378 Sacklers, we're dying, and the Louvre covers it up! 1385 01:30:28,597 --> 01:30:31,034 [Chanting in French continues] 1386 01:30:38,563 --> 01:30:40,435 Many people have started to refuse 1387 01:30:40,478 --> 01:30:43,133 donations from the Sacklers, 1388 01:30:43,176 --> 01:30:47,180 including the Guggenheim Museum, the Met Museum, the Tate, 1389 01:30:47,224 --> 01:30:48,965 and the National Portrait Gallery, 1390 01:30:49,008 --> 01:30:52,272 as well as medical institutions worldwide. 1391 01:30:52,316 --> 01:30:56,712 We need to demand that the Louvre stand by and hear us, 1392 01:30:56,755 --> 01:30:58,801 and be the first to take down their name. 1393 01:31:03,283 --> 01:31:06,286 [Drumming solemnly] 1394 01:31:47,980 --> 01:31:49,765 Can I ask you a question? 1395 01:31:50,330 --> 01:31:52,071 What? 1396 01:31:52,115 --> 01:31:54,421 When you overdosed, were you alone? 1397 01:31:54,944 --> 01:31:55,640 Yeah. 1398 01:31:57,860 --> 01:31:59,165 Totally. 1399 01:32:03,430 --> 01:32:04,867 I thought it was dope, 1400 01:32:04,910 --> 01:32:07,565 so I snorted it and it was Fentanyl. 1401 01:32:09,480 --> 01:32:11,526 A lot of people want Fentanyl, 1402 01:32:11,569 --> 01:32:14,659 but I was not prepared for Fentanyl. 1403 01:32:14,703 --> 01:32:18,141 And I just went out like that. 1404 01:32:18,881 --> 01:32:20,360 I just went out. 1405 01:32:22,058 --> 01:32:23,015 And then I came back. 1406 01:32:24,060 --> 01:32:25,975 And then I went out again. 1407 01:32:27,454 --> 01:32:29,674 Nobody brought me back. I just came back. 1408 01:32:31,284 --> 01:32:34,897 I'm so lucky that I came back by myself. 1409 01:32:41,251 --> 01:32:42,644 I mean all the judgment 1410 01:32:43,906 --> 01:32:46,604 of people who are addicted to drugs 1411 01:32:46,648 --> 01:32:48,475 are stigmatized without understanding 1412 01:32:48,519 --> 01:32:50,608 what the experience of 1413 01:32:50,652 --> 01:32:52,784 not having these drugs is. 1414 01:32:56,483 --> 01:32:58,747 To have to go through withdrawal. 1415 01:33:00,357 --> 01:33:03,447 Your brain is stripped of its opioid receptors, 1416 01:33:03,490 --> 01:33:07,146 so you have no protection from any kind of pain. 1417 01:33:09,671 --> 01:33:12,282 It's not just the physical part. 1418 01:33:13,065 --> 01:33:14,371 It's like... 1419 01:33:15,154 --> 01:33:16,721 the darkest... 1420 01:33:18,157 --> 01:33:19,506 you can go. 1421 01:33:19,550 --> 01:33:21,726 It's a darkness of the soul. 1422 01:33:24,337 --> 01:33:26,296 It's unbearable. 1423 01:33:36,001 --> 01:33:37,960 [♪♪♪] 1424 01:33:44,531 --> 01:33:46,359 [Phone ringing] 1425 01:33:47,404 --> 01:33:49,319 Okay. I am here. 1426 01:33:49,362 --> 01:33:51,408 You can come by whenever you want. 1427 01:33:52,191 --> 01:33:53,366 - Hello - Hi. 1428 01:33:53,410 --> 01:33:54,367 What did you say? 1429 01:33:54,411 --> 01:33:56,674 I'm here at the restaurant. 1430 01:33:56,718 --> 01:33:57,675 You can come here whenever you want. 1431 01:33:59,416 --> 01:34:01,548 - Great. How many did you get? - All that you wanted. 1432 01:34:01,592 --> 01:34:02,941 [Phone hangs up] 1433 01:34:09,644 --> 01:34:12,168 [♪♪♪] 1434 01:34:15,519 --> 01:34:16,825 [Phone ringing] 1435 01:34:17,390 --> 01:34:18,261 - Yeah. - Hi. 1436 01:34:19,610 --> 01:34:21,699 - Who is it? - You still in the bed? 1437 01:34:21,743 --> 01:34:23,135 Oh no, I never went to sleep. 1438 01:34:24,484 --> 01:34:28,837 You know what really hit me as peculiar? 1439 01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:30,447 And I was thinking about it all morning. 1440 01:34:32,275 --> 01:34:36,366 Misery does not love company. Misery loves attention... 1441 01:34:36,409 --> 01:34:37,759 in this case. 1442 01:34:39,195 --> 01:34:41,458 [♪♪♪] 1443 01:34:55,037 --> 01:34:57,648 [Sound of windshield wipers] 1444 01:35:21,759 --> 01:35:24,457 The supply has become very dirty. 1445 01:35:24,501 --> 01:35:26,285 Basically lethal. 1446 01:35:31,290 --> 01:35:33,118 Fentanyl is in everything now. 1447 01:35:34,816 --> 01:35:36,469 And this is Fentanyl here? 1448 01:35:36,513 --> 01:35:38,558 So Fentanyl has like one big peak, 1449 01:35:38,602 --> 01:35:40,778 coke has two peaks right here. 1450 01:35:40,822 --> 01:35:42,171 And they're at slightly different numbers. 1451 01:35:42,214 --> 01:35:42,737 Okay. 1452 01:35:43,912 --> 01:35:46,610 Here you can see this deviates. 1453 01:35:55,358 --> 01:35:58,840 You want to show them the bloody ones you did? 1454 01:35:58,883 --> 01:36:00,798 No, but it's good 'cause then 1455 01:36:00,842 --> 01:36:02,365 it will be obvious it's not real. 1456 01:36:08,153 --> 01:36:10,982 - What is our messaging? - Our messaging is... 1457 01:36:11,026 --> 01:36:13,985 "Purdue is bankrupt, but the Sacklers aren't. 1458 01:36:14,029 --> 01:36:17,249 "Their personal wealth has all been made from OxyContin 1459 01:36:17,293 --> 01:36:19,338 "and it needs to be taken from them." 1460 01:36:19,382 --> 01:36:21,471 I think the messaging is 1461 01:36:21,514 --> 01:36:23,734 the Sacklers are getting away with murder. 1462 01:36:23,778 --> 01:36:26,955 We want their money and where we want to spend it. 1463 01:36:28,870 --> 01:36:32,308 The company ends up declaring bankruptcy. 1464 01:36:32,351 --> 01:36:36,094 That's this kind of amazing escape hatch because 1465 01:36:37,835 --> 01:36:40,795 what happens is that Purdue, the company, says, 1466 01:36:40,838 --> 01:36:42,579 "Listen, we realize there's all these lawsuits, 1467 01:36:42,622 --> 01:36:46,844 "but we don't have the resources to fight or settle them all, 1468 01:36:48,237 --> 01:36:49,847 "and so instead we're gonna declare bankruptcy 1469 01:36:49,891 --> 01:36:52,676 "because our coffers are almost empty." 1470 01:36:52,719 --> 01:36:55,722 But the reason that the coffers are almost empty, we now know, 1471 01:36:55,766 --> 01:36:57,899 is that behind the scenes for a decade 1472 01:36:57,942 --> 01:37:00,640 leading up to this bankruptcy plea, 1473 01:37:00,684 --> 01:37:02,773 the Sacklers have been quietly siphoning money 1474 01:37:02,817 --> 01:37:04,601 out of the company. 1475 01:37:04,644 --> 01:37:08,344 So they took more than $10 billion out of the company 1476 01:37:08,387 --> 01:37:10,041 before it declares bankruptcy. 1477 01:37:11,260 --> 01:37:13,784 - Whose money? - Our money! 1478 01:37:13,828 --> 01:37:15,873 - Whose blood? - Our blood! 1479 01:37:16,874 --> 01:37:19,877 [Protesters chanting] 1480 01:37:28,494 --> 01:37:30,366 You think they could get away with this? 1481 01:37:30,409 --> 01:37:31,715 Of course. 1482 01:37:32,194 --> 01:37:32,803 Yes. 1483 01:37:34,239 --> 01:37:36,024 I never expected that they'd be held accountable. 1484 01:37:36,067 --> 01:37:38,591 I don't think that much money can be taken away 1485 01:37:38,635 --> 01:37:41,246 from a billionaire family. 1486 01:37:43,727 --> 01:37:45,555 [Cracking egg] 1487 01:37:45,598 --> 01:37:49,559 The fact that a bankruptcy court is deciding 1488 01:37:49,602 --> 01:37:52,301 a public crisis issue is crazy. 1489 01:37:53,215 --> 01:37:54,085 That's the problem. 1490 01:37:55,608 --> 01:37:56,958 So I've been involved since the beginning basically. 1491 01:37:57,001 --> 01:37:58,350 At some point, a light bulb went on and I was like: 1492 01:37:58,394 --> 01:38:02,877 "Let's bring the activism into the courtroom," and 1493 01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:06,402 ever since then, we've been fighting in the court. 1494 01:38:06,445 --> 01:38:09,361 And we weren't exactly welcome the first time. 1495 01:38:10,754 --> 01:38:13,452 You know, we're like little assassins, 1496 01:38:13,496 --> 01:38:15,715 we go in and get out. 1497 01:38:17,065 --> 01:38:19,719 I told the lawyer for Purdue that 1498 01:38:19,763 --> 01:38:21,678 I'm doing it pro-bono. 1499 01:38:21,721 --> 01:38:23,506 He was like, "What?" 1500 01:38:27,510 --> 01:38:28,467 He was like, "What? Wait, what?" 1501 01:38:29,904 --> 01:38:32,950 You know, because they spend $30 million a month 1502 01:38:32,994 --> 01:38:36,214 on legal fees and professional fees in this case. 1503 01:38:37,955 --> 01:38:40,827 There's like 80-something attorneys 1504 01:38:40,871 --> 01:38:42,742 and people on this call. 1505 01:38:42,786 --> 01:38:44,048 That's a lot. 1506 01:38:45,267 --> 01:38:47,965 Good morning, this is Judge Drain. 1507 01:38:48,009 --> 01:38:50,837 This is a completely telephonic hearing. 1508 01:38:51,969 --> 01:38:57,888 We're here today in re: Purdue Pharma L.P. 1509 01:38:57,932 --> 01:39:00,586 Your Honor, we think there's a huge mistake here. 1510 01:39:00,630 --> 01:39:03,894 We think the process that the DOJ went through was wrong. 1511 01:39:03,938 --> 01:39:05,591 We think that the results, 1512 01:39:05,635 --> 01:39:07,158 which are completely vague and baffling 1513 01:39:08,333 --> 01:39:09,508 to me and my clients, is wrong. 1514 01:39:11,032 --> 01:39:14,687 The DOJ neither invited input from Purdue's victims, 1515 01:39:14,731 --> 01:39:16,602 nor the public, nor apparently 1516 01:39:16,646 --> 01:39:18,865 any members of the House and Senate. 1517 01:39:18,909 --> 01:39:21,216 The negotiation between these two parties, 1518 01:39:21,259 --> 01:39:22,957 the DOJ and Purdue/ The Sacklers alone, 1519 01:39:24,393 --> 01:39:28,179 is not sufficient to make this kind of policy decision. 1520 01:39:28,223 --> 01:39:30,965 My clients are like the Ghost of Christmas Past, 1521 01:39:31,008 --> 01:39:32,923 they're here to tell you in 2007, 1522 01:39:32,967 --> 01:39:34,446 they saw there was a problem, 1523 01:39:35,404 --> 01:39:36,057 the problem got worse, 1524 01:39:37,536 --> 01:39:39,886 and this is our moment, their moment, to tell you 1525 01:39:39,930 --> 01:39:43,238 we gotta make sure that the future is safer. 1526 01:39:44,065 --> 01:39:45,414 Okay, well... 1527 01:39:46,371 --> 01:39:47,851 All right, thank you. 1528 01:39:48,721 --> 01:39:49,853 Good morning, Your Honor, 1529 01:39:51,507 --> 01:39:52,334 and good morning to everyone who is on the line. 1530 01:39:54,075 --> 01:39:55,554 Your Honor, Mr. Quinn many times used the phrase 1531 01:39:55,598 --> 01:39:57,339 "Purdue/The Sacklers," 1532 01:39:57,382 --> 01:39:58,470 the kind of suggestion that 1533 01:39:59,994 --> 01:40:01,952 Purdue and the Sacklers are in this together 1534 01:40:01,996 --> 01:40:03,649 is really not helpful. 1535 01:40:03,693 --> 01:40:05,521 And it's just, it's not fair. 1536 01:40:09,829 --> 01:40:11,744 This is so depressing. 1537 01:40:11,788 --> 01:40:13,572 Thank you so much, Mike, 1538 01:40:13,616 --> 01:40:16,836 thank you so much for going out there and battling. 1539 01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:20,753 I feel proud to be doing it, and, whatever, we're in it. 1540 01:40:20,797 --> 01:40:24,018 The fact that our group is in the bankruptcy 1541 01:40:24,061 --> 01:40:25,454 at the front of the bankruptcy, 1542 01:40:25,497 --> 01:40:27,847 fighting every single thing, tooth and nail, 1543 01:40:27,891 --> 01:40:29,458 - is pretty amazing. - Yeah, it's pretty funny. 1544 01:40:29,501 --> 01:40:30,894 It's fucking crazy. 1545 01:40:30,937 --> 01:40:33,549 Is there any chance of criminal charges? 1546 01:40:33,592 --> 01:40:34,071 No. 1547 01:40:35,377 --> 01:40:38,249 The way the plan's structured, if the DOJ filed 1548 01:40:38,293 --> 01:40:40,817 criminal charges against the Sacklers now, 1549 01:40:40,860 --> 01:40:42,036 it would blow up the whole bankruptcy. 1550 01:40:43,472 --> 01:40:46,736 So effectively, they just dodged criminal liability. 1551 01:41:04,449 --> 01:41:07,061 We followed these people into bankruptcy court 1552 01:41:07,104 --> 01:41:09,324 and we're watching them 1553 01:41:09,367 --> 01:41:11,978 completely manipulate the justice system. 1554 01:41:12,022 --> 01:41:15,112 There's no justice for us, only for billionaires. 1555 01:41:15,156 --> 01:41:17,288 So all we can hope 1556 01:41:17,332 --> 01:41:18,985 is that the money in the settlement 1557 01:41:19,029 --> 01:41:20,813 that goes to the states, 1558 01:41:20,857 --> 01:41:23,033 goes to the right places, 1559 01:41:23,077 --> 01:41:26,602 that it goes to harm reduction, and not policing. 1560 01:41:26,645 --> 01:41:28,821 [Cheering, applause] 1561 01:41:28,865 --> 01:41:31,737 That it goes to groups like you that are saving lives. 1562 01:41:39,049 --> 01:41:40,398 This is a proceeding in Federal court. 1563 01:41:41,530 --> 01:41:42,531 It is being held remotely, 1564 01:41:44,272 --> 01:41:48,058 but the rules and decorum of a Federal court apply. 1565 01:41:54,717 --> 01:41:55,326 So let me confirm 1566 01:41:56,632 --> 01:42:00,157 I see David Sackler on the screen, 1567 01:42:00,201 --> 01:42:02,638 And I see Theresa Sackler. 1568 01:42:03,900 --> 01:42:07,295 Richard Sackler is on the phone 1569 01:42:07,338 --> 01:42:10,776 and will stay on the phone throughout this proceeding. 1570 01:42:10,820 --> 01:42:12,996 Dr. Sackler, can you confirm that for me? 1571 01:42:14,606 --> 01:42:20,003 Yes, Your Honor, I am here on the phone and I'm listening. 1572 01:42:20,046 --> 01:42:22,092 Before we start, there's 1573 01:42:22,136 --> 01:42:24,312 one clarification I wanted to make: 1574 01:42:24,355 --> 01:42:27,967 I believe Richard said that he is listening. 1575 01:42:28,011 --> 01:42:29,621 I believe that he's also supposed to say that 1576 01:42:29,665 --> 01:42:30,187 he is watching, 1577 01:42:32,146 --> 01:42:33,843 he's supposed to be watching the video but not seen. 1578 01:42:33,886 --> 01:42:35,366 Can he confirm that? 1579 01:42:36,889 --> 01:42:39,588 I can confirm that, I saw... 1580 01:42:39,631 --> 01:42:40,545 I've seen everything. 1581 01:42:41,633 --> 01:42:43,896 Okay, that's important, 1582 01:42:43,940 --> 01:42:46,160 and thank you for raising that, Mr. Price. 1583 01:42:46,203 --> 01:42:49,206 All right, the first person who will speak today 1584 01:42:49,250 --> 01:42:52,557 is Tiffinee Scott. [Deep breath] 1585 01:42:53,254 --> 01:42:54,516 Richard. 1586 01:42:55,691 --> 01:42:56,735 David. 1587 01:42:57,606 --> 01:42:58,259 Theresa. 1588 01:42:59,173 --> 01:43:00,913 We have never met, 1589 01:43:00,957 --> 01:43:04,003 but I feel like I already have a relationship with you 1590 01:43:04,047 --> 01:43:05,135 due to OxyContin. 1591 01:43:06,658 --> 01:43:10,009 Have you ever provided Narcan to one of your children? 1592 01:43:10,053 --> 01:43:12,708 Have you revived one of your children from an overdose? 1593 01:43:12,751 --> 01:43:13,274 I have. 1594 01:43:14,753 --> 01:43:16,886 There are no words to describe my pain. 1595 01:43:16,929 --> 01:43:21,064 In May of 2020, she was found unresponsive, lifeless... 1596 01:43:21,107 --> 01:43:24,937 lifeless in bed by me, her mother. 1597 01:43:24,981 --> 01:43:27,201 The deceit and horror you all caused, shame on you. 1598 01:43:28,854 --> 01:43:32,467 I remember the day Trent told me he was addicted to OxyContin. 1599 01:43:32,510 --> 01:43:35,383 He called me from the campus of the University of Alabama. 1600 01:43:35,426 --> 01:43:38,212 I could tell in his voice, there was great fear. 1601 01:43:38,255 --> 01:43:40,692 I drove the three hours, he met me in tears, 1602 01:43:40,736 --> 01:43:42,216 we wept together. 1603 01:43:42,259 --> 01:43:43,217 "Dad, I can't stop taking Oxy. 1604 01:43:44,609 --> 01:43:46,176 "Dad, I'm afraid I'm going to die." 1605 01:43:46,220 --> 01:43:47,046 And he did. 1606 01:43:47,090 --> 01:43:47,786 This is so hard. 1607 01:43:49,353 --> 01:43:50,136 I encountered opioids for the first time 1608 01:43:51,529 --> 01:43:52,400 shortly after you launched OxyContin. 1609 01:43:53,749 --> 01:43:55,751 And I am one of the living survivors 1610 01:43:55,794 --> 01:43:57,448 of your monumental greed. 1611 01:43:58,319 --> 01:44:00,495 I hope that every face, 1612 01:44:00,538 --> 01:44:05,239 every single victim's face haunts your every waking moment, 1613 01:44:05,282 --> 01:44:06,109 It won't. 1614 01:44:07,110 --> 01:44:08,067 and your sleeping ones, too. 1615 01:44:08,111 --> 01:44:09,112 Thank you. 1616 01:44:10,505 --> 01:44:12,942 The next person to speak is Nan Goldin. 1617 01:44:12,985 --> 01:44:16,119 It's nice to finally see the Sacklers, face-to-face. 1618 01:44:16,946 --> 01:44:19,688 The Sacklers' so-called apology, 1619 01:44:19,731 --> 01:44:22,212 which was mandated by this settlement, 1620 01:44:22,256 --> 01:44:26,260 is insulting to all of us who have been damaged by them. 1621 01:44:26,303 --> 01:44:29,698 One family is largely responsible 1622 01:44:29,741 --> 01:44:32,178 for the onset of this crisis. 1623 01:44:32,222 --> 01:44:33,963 that has led to the deaths 1624 01:44:34,006 --> 01:44:36,531 of over half a million Americans, 1625 01:44:36,574 --> 01:44:39,664 and caused irreparable damage for generations to come. 1626 01:44:40,970 --> 01:44:44,190 Yet their settlement grants them immunity, 1627 01:44:44,234 --> 01:44:46,367 not just for themselves, 1628 01:44:46,410 --> 01:44:49,892 but for generations of Sacklers to come. 1629 01:44:49,935 --> 01:44:53,199 Purdue has been found guilty of federal crimes, 1630 01:44:53,243 --> 01:44:56,507 but its private owners have never been prosecuted. 1631 01:44:56,551 --> 01:45:00,990 We hope the Justice Department will pursue criminal charges. 1632 01:45:01,033 --> 01:45:01,730 Thank you. 1633 01:45:03,645 --> 01:45:05,081 Okay, thank you. 1634 01:45:08,171 --> 01:45:11,653 [Woman screaming, panicked] 1635 01:45:14,482 --> 01:45:16,788 They're already on the way, they've already been dispatched. 1636 01:45:16,832 --> 01:45:18,224 Has he taken anything? 1637 01:45:18,268 --> 01:45:20,401 I just don't know. He has in the past. 1638 01:45:24,143 --> 01:45:25,406 Oh, my God. 1639 01:45:29,105 --> 01:45:31,803 - You said he's 20 years old? - Yes. 1640 01:45:31,847 --> 01:45:33,892 - What's his name? - Pardon me? 1641 01:45:33,936 --> 01:45:35,372 - What's his name? - Bryan... 1642 01:45:36,982 --> 01:45:39,898 - We're on the way, okay? - Thank you, sir. 1643 01:45:41,726 --> 01:45:44,381 4,804 days. 1644 01:45:44,425 --> 01:45:47,166 Richard, if you're still listening, 1645 01:45:47,210 --> 01:45:51,127 that's how many days since I made that horrifying call. 1646 01:45:51,170 --> 01:45:53,347 I have lived with the pain and heartache 1647 01:45:53,390 --> 01:45:55,827 as a result of the loss of my only child, 1648 01:45:55,871 --> 01:45:58,787 a pain you will never understand. 1649 01:45:58,830 --> 01:46:02,660 I can only echo the pain and suffering 1650 01:46:04,096 --> 01:46:06,316 that Kristy feels and that all of us 1651 01:46:06,360 --> 01:46:07,970 that are here today feel. 1652 01:46:09,232 --> 01:46:11,582 I want to point out to the Sacklers that 1653 01:46:11,626 --> 01:46:14,542 by the time this two-hour hearing is over, 1654 01:46:14,585 --> 01:46:19,155 you can add 16 more people to your death list. 1655 01:46:34,126 --> 01:46:35,824 I asked my father for 1656 01:46:37,086 --> 01:46:40,306 records from the hospitals she'd been in. 1657 01:46:42,134 --> 01:46:46,095 And he gave them to me without reading them himself. 1658 01:46:52,014 --> 01:46:54,277 So this box came... 1659 01:46:54,320 --> 01:46:58,412 "The Box," I think of it as, with the primary documents. 1660 01:46:58,890 --> 01:47:01,545 [♪♪♪] 1661 01:47:04,113 --> 01:47:07,595 There was the history of Barbara for me to read and 1662 01:47:08,378 --> 01:47:09,553 I was terrified. 1663 01:47:11,076 --> 01:47:13,905 I wanted to know, but I didn't want to know. 1664 01:47:14,906 --> 01:47:18,040 [♪♪♪] 1665 01:47:25,700 --> 01:47:29,138 I didn't understand that the first place she was sent 1666 01:47:29,181 --> 01:47:30,792 was actually an orphanage. 1667 01:47:35,144 --> 01:47:38,582 And then she burned down the curtains and ran away. 1668 01:47:41,933 --> 01:47:45,459 She's described as a "rebellious adolescent." 1669 01:47:55,425 --> 01:48:00,038 It says in the interviews that the psychiatrist thought that 1670 01:48:00,082 --> 01:48:01,910 Mrs. Goldin should be in the hospital, 1671 01:48:01,953 --> 01:48:03,389 not Miss Goldin. 1672 01:48:03,868 --> 01:48:07,611 And that's actually written in the hospital record. 1673 01:48:08,394 --> 01:48:10,962 [♪♪♪] 1674 01:48:13,922 --> 01:48:17,491 My mother had been sexually abused for years 1675 01:48:17,534 --> 01:48:19,754 by a family member. 1676 01:48:22,408 --> 01:48:27,501 And when my sister hit puberty, my mother couldn't cope with it. 1677 01:48:35,073 --> 01:48:37,119 My sister didn't have any outlet. 1678 01:48:37,162 --> 01:48:39,295 She didn't have any context. 1679 01:48:39,338 --> 01:48:41,515 It was not mental illness. 1680 01:48:48,304 --> 01:48:52,526 I just knew how hard it was for her to be alive. 1681 01:48:55,441 --> 01:48:58,053 She wanted a home so badly. 1682 01:48:59,402 --> 01:49:02,231 If she had found people, 1683 01:49:02,274 --> 01:49:04,276 if she'd been loved, 1684 01:49:05,364 --> 01:49:07,976 she would have survived. 1685 01:49:16,158 --> 01:49:18,508 [♪♪♪] 1686 01:49:24,775 --> 01:49:29,606 [Sound of locomotive approaching] 1687 01:49:32,391 --> 01:49:34,655 [Locomotive speeding by] 1688 01:49:34,698 --> 01:49:37,396 Persons in the area told police they had seen Miss Goldin 1689 01:49:37,440 --> 01:49:38,572 a short time before 1690 01:49:40,051 --> 01:49:42,314 when she asked when the next train was due to pass. 1691 01:49:42,358 --> 01:49:45,535 Shortly before 5:30 p.m., persons said, 1692 01:49:45,579 --> 01:49:47,102 Miss Goldin put her pocketbook 1693 01:49:47,145 --> 01:49:47,755 on the ground next to the tracks, 1694 01:49:48,930 --> 01:49:51,410 then lay down across the tracks 1695 01:49:51,454 --> 01:49:54,239 as the Capitol Limited approached. 1696 01:49:54,283 --> 01:49:57,199 The train's engineer told police they saw her 1697 01:49:57,242 --> 01:49:59,244 and nailed the brakes, 1698 01:49:59,288 --> 01:50:02,334 but were unable to stop the train. 1699 01:50:02,378 --> 01:50:06,425 Pathological examiner ruled her death as a suicide. 1700 01:50:06,469 --> 01:50:09,646 Other significant conditions contributing to death: 1701 01:50:09,690 --> 01:50:12,127 Severe mental depression. 1702 01:50:25,270 --> 01:50:28,534 I mean, that's the problem, you grow up being told, 1703 01:50:28,578 --> 01:50:31,494 "That didn't happen. You didn't see that. 1704 01:50:31,537 --> 01:50:33,670 "You didn't hear that." 1705 01:50:33,714 --> 01:50:35,454 And what do you do? 1706 01:50:35,498 --> 01:50:37,674 How do you believe yourself? 1707 01:50:37,718 --> 01:50:39,545 How do you trust yourself? 1708 01:50:39,589 --> 01:50:41,852 How do you continue to trust yourself? 1709 01:50:41,896 --> 01:50:43,549 And then how do you show the world 1710 01:50:45,073 --> 01:50:47,684 that you did experience that, that you did hear that? 1711 01:50:49,033 --> 01:50:52,036 So that's the reason I take pictures. 1712 01:51:01,872 --> 01:51:05,093 - Nan, what are you...? - Beautiful, you look beautiful. 1713 01:51:05,136 --> 01:51:07,269 - Nan, does that have sound? - Yeah. 1714 01:51:07,312 --> 01:51:08,444 Oh my dear! 1715 01:51:09,271 --> 01:51:10,489 Let's go, honey. 1716 01:51:15,233 --> 01:51:18,280 My mom's a dance fanatic. 1717 01:51:18,323 --> 01:51:20,499 [♪♪♪] 1718 01:51:20,543 --> 01:51:23,589 And she's gonna teach her old husband how to move it. 1719 01:51:24,242 --> 01:51:26,244 I like to do this... 1720 01:51:27,550 --> 01:51:29,987 - Go, Mom! - Go for it. 1721 01:51:30,771 --> 01:51:33,208 [♪♪♪] 1722 01:51:36,472 --> 01:51:40,215 My father and mother were not equipped to be parents. 1723 01:51:42,260 --> 01:51:46,438 They had children because it was expected, 1724 01:51:46,482 --> 01:51:49,790 more than it was about nurturing other human beings. 1725 01:51:51,617 --> 01:51:53,358 That looks good! 1726 01:51:58,450 --> 01:52:00,888 - Yeah, but hold it up more. - Is that high enough? 1727 01:52:02,237 --> 01:52:04,021 - Yeah, that's beautiful. - You can see it? 1728 01:52:04,065 --> 01:52:07,851 Barbara loved Nan very much. They were very, very close. 1729 01:52:11,463 --> 01:52:14,336 When she died, she had in her pocketbook 1730 01:52:14,379 --> 01:52:16,730 a very beautiful, small book of Psalms. 1731 01:52:18,253 --> 01:52:21,299 And she had this wonderful quotation from... 1732 01:52:21,343 --> 01:52:22,605 Conrad... 1733 01:52:22,648 --> 01:52:23,911 The Heart of Darkness. 1734 01:52:24,738 --> 01:52:25,651 Joseph Conrad. 1735 01:52:26,957 --> 01:52:29,743 She was also, like Nan, a very wide reader. 1736 01:52:31,179 --> 01:52:34,617 And I have the quotation upstairs, 1737 01:52:34,660 --> 01:52:37,489 but it had in it something about... 1738 01:52:45,367 --> 01:52:46,760 - Can you stop? - Yeah... 1739 01:52:46,803 --> 01:52:49,632 - You should get the quotation. - Stop. 1740 01:52:49,675 --> 01:52:50,154 Something about regrets. 1741 01:52:51,155 --> 01:52:53,636 Yeah. Infinite regrets. 1742 01:53:00,512 --> 01:53:02,471 Is it on now? 1743 01:53:02,514 --> 01:53:03,951 Quotation from Heart of Darkness... 1744 01:53:05,126 --> 01:53:06,954 And it was just written on a piece of paper? 1745 01:53:08,564 --> 01:53:12,960 "It's a droll thing life is, that mysterious arrangement 1746 01:53:13,003 --> 01:53:15,963 "of merciless logic for a futile purpose. 1747 01:53:17,529 --> 01:53:21,838 "The most you can hope for is some knowledge of yourself... 1748 01:53:32,414 --> 01:53:34,459 "that comes too late... 1749 01:53:35,896 --> 01:53:39,508 "A crop of unextinguishable regrets." 1750 01:54:01,660 --> 01:54:03,488 I think this story is an important story, 1751 01:54:04,228 --> 01:54:05,664 not just for me, 1752 01:54:06,274 --> 01:54:09,190 but for society... 1753 01:54:12,280 --> 01:54:15,718 About conformity and denial. 1754 01:54:17,807 --> 01:54:19,809 And also about stigma. 1755 01:54:21,811 --> 01:54:23,682 The wrong things are kept secret 1756 01:54:24,379 --> 01:54:26,860 and that destroys people. 1757 01:54:29,819 --> 01:54:32,343 My sister was a victim of all that, 1758 01:54:32,387 --> 01:54:34,780 but she knew how to fight back. 1759 01:54:37,348 --> 01:54:42,440 Her rebellion was the starting point for my own. 1760 01:54:44,834 --> 01:54:47,054 She showed me the way. 1761 01:54:51,493 --> 01:54:54,757 - Let's turn off for a minute. - Yeah. 1762 01:54:54,800 --> 01:54:56,063 [Mic turns off] 1763 01:55:07,683 --> 01:55:12,601 [♪♪♪] 1764 01:55:23,481 --> 01:55:24,482 Oh, wow. 1765 01:55:27,616 --> 01:55:28,834 [Laughing] 1766 01:55:41,369 --> 01:55:42,413 Wow. 1767 01:55:51,596 --> 01:55:52,946 We did it, baby. 1768 01:55:58,429 --> 01:55:59,953 Four years of work. 1769 01:55:59,996 --> 01:56:01,867 Congress didn't do anything. 1770 01:56:01,911 --> 01:56:04,392 Justice Department hasn't done anything. 1771 01:56:04,435 --> 01:56:07,438 Bankruptcy court, you know, completely 1772 01:56:08,526 --> 01:56:10,833 left them better than ever. 1773 01:56:10,876 --> 01:56:15,751 You know, they're completely vindicated by bankruptcy court. 1774 01:56:15,794 --> 01:56:17,622 And so this is the only place they're being held accountable, 1775 01:56:17,666 --> 01:56:19,581 the only place. 1776 01:56:19,624 --> 01:56:20,364 And we did it. 1777 01:56:26,892 --> 01:56:27,676 Wow... 1778 01:56:30,200 --> 01:56:32,637 Oh, my goodness. What a feeling, huh? 1779 01:56:33,987 --> 01:56:35,901 - Incredible. - It's amazing. 1780 01:56:37,468 --> 01:56:40,602 The Sacklers are now "private sources." 1781 01:56:40,645 --> 01:56:43,039 Here, stay there. 1782 01:56:43,083 --> 01:56:45,737 It doesn't say what private sources. 1783 01:56:48,349 --> 01:56:50,003 Beautiful! 1784 01:56:50,046 --> 01:56:51,874 - Oh, man! - It's so good! 1785 01:56:52,570 --> 01:56:54,703 It's hard to believe. 1786 01:57:05,322 --> 01:57:09,326 [♪♪] 1787 01:57:42,794 --> 01:57:46,798 [♪♪] 1788 01:58:36,848 --> 01:58:40,852 [♪♪] 1789 01:59:30,902 --> 01:59:34,906 [♪♪] 1790 02:00:34,966 --> 02:00:38,970 [♪♪] 1791 02:01:29,020 --> 02:01:33,024 [♪♪] 1791 02:01:34,305 --> 02:02:34,790 Please rate this subtitle at www.osdb.link/c298w Help other users to choose the best subtitles135786

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