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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:18,878 --> 00:00:26,683 ( Wagnerian orchestral music plays ) 2 00:00:26,753 --> 00:00:31,554 Dispatcher: Brown and Walker, bring the train out from 16 track. 3 00:01:50,003 --> 00:01:52,665 * If you're feeling all right, and you think you're on * 4 00:01:52,739 --> 00:01:54,673 * Somebody let me know * 5 00:01:54,741 --> 00:01:57,005 * Everybody in the place put a whistle in your face * 6 00:01:57,076 --> 00:02:00,443 * Scream it out and say, yol Hit itl * 7 00:02:00,513 --> 00:02:03,778 * You don't stop the rocking rhythm that makes your fingers pop * 8 00:02:03,850 --> 00:02:05,977 * I said hip-hop, now, thanks a lot * 9 00:02:06,052 --> 00:02:07,883 * Come on, everybody, give me what you got * 10 00:02:07,954 --> 00:02:10,514 * I'm going to tell you a little story about the Sugar Hill Gang * 11 00:02:10,590 --> 00:02:12,524 * With the pow-pow boogie, the big bang-bang. * 12 00:02:12,926 --> 00:02:15,827 Narrator: They call themselves "writers" because that's what they do. 13 00:02:15,895 --> 00:02:18,989 They write their names, among other things, everywhere-- 14 00:02:19,065 --> 00:02:21,932 names they've been given or have chosen for themselves. 15 00:02:22,001 --> 00:02:24,492 Most of all, they write in and on subway trains 16 00:02:24,571 --> 00:02:27,665 which carry their names from one end of the city to the other. 17 00:02:27,740 --> 00:02:29,833 It's called, "bombing, " 18 00:02:29,909 --> 00:02:32,139 and it has equally assertive counterparts 19 00:02:32,212 --> 00:02:34,908 in rap music and break dancing. 20 00:02:34,981 --> 00:02:37,108 * Scream it out and say, "I aml" * 21 00:02:37,183 --> 00:02:38,207 * I aml * 22 00:02:38,284 --> 00:02:40,844 - * Somebodyl * - * Somebodyl * 23 00:02:40,920 --> 00:02:43,718 Graffiti writing in New York is a vocation. 24 00:02:43,790 --> 00:02:45,519 Its traditions are handed down 25 00:02:45,592 --> 00:02:47,617 from one youthful generation to the next. 26 00:02:47,694 --> 00:02:50,959 To some, it's art. To most people, however, 27 00:02:51,030 --> 00:02:54,022 it is a plague that never ends, 28 00:02:54,100 --> 00:02:57,297 a symbol that we've lost control. 29 00:02:57,370 --> 00:03:00,305 I'm Detective Bernie Jacobs. 30 00:03:00,373 --> 00:03:02,307 I, in conjunction with my partner 31 00:03:02,375 --> 00:03:04,969 Detective Jim McHugh, are the crime prevention coordinators 32 00:03:05,044 --> 00:03:07,410 for the New York City Transit Police Department. 33 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,938 Graffiti, as the name itself, 34 00:03:11,017 --> 00:03:13,008 is not an art. 35 00:03:14,387 --> 00:03:16,321 Graffiti is the application 36 00:03:16,389 --> 00:03:19,324 of a medium to a surface. 37 00:03:19,392 --> 00:03:20,984 I will show you graffiti, 38 00:03:21,060 --> 00:03:23,153 such as the letters on the end 39 00:03:23,229 --> 00:03:26,164 of that car directly in back of me. 40 00:03:26,232 --> 00:03:27,995 Is that an art form? I don't know. 41 00:03:28,067 --> 00:03:30,001 I'm not an art crimin-- critic, 42 00:03:30,069 --> 00:03:33,129 but I can sure as hell tell you that that's a crime. 43 00:03:40,246 --> 00:03:44,012 At the Grand Concourse 149th Street station in the Bronx, 44 00:03:44,083 --> 00:03:45,880 graffiti writers gather 45 00:03:45,952 --> 00:03:48,250 at what they call, "The Writers' Bench. " 46 00:03:58,364 --> 00:04:00,958 SE3: They're saying that the kids run the subways, 47 00:04:01,034 --> 00:04:03,298 that the system is out of control, 48 00:04:03,369 --> 00:04:06,463 that 15- or 16-year-old kids are running the system 49 00:04:06,539 --> 00:04:09,201 and that graffiti is the symbol of that. 50 00:04:09,275 --> 00:04:12,369 No, I ain't running the system, I'm bombing the system. 51 00:04:12,445 --> 00:04:16,108 They're trying to make it look like graffiti writers break windows and everything. 52 00:04:16,182 --> 00:04:18,514 - It ain't like that. - You know who be doin' that? 53 00:04:18,584 --> 00:04:21,382 Niggers who be high when they come from school are the ones. 54 00:04:21,454 --> 00:04:23,547 And it's in the graffiti artists' favor 55 00:04:23,623 --> 00:04:26,148 to be as cool, calm and collected 56 00:04:26,225 --> 00:04:28,591 about putting his art on the train as he can. 57 00:04:28,661 --> 00:04:30,322 You know, he wants to get in 58 00:04:30,396 --> 00:04:32,489 and get out without even being noticed, 59 00:04:32,565 --> 00:04:35,329 except for the work that's going to come out to the public, 60 00:04:36,502 --> 00:04:38,367 you know, that Monday. 61 00:04:41,407 --> 00:04:44,399 CES: Yeah, we gotta start to rock some straight letters. 62 00:04:44,477 --> 00:04:47,071 - This one came out all right. - Yeah, that's the first. 63 00:04:47,146 --> 00:04:49,671 That's about the third "Skeme" piece I did this year. 64 00:04:49,749 --> 00:04:51,944 And that's the Tick-Tack I did in Gun Hill. 65 00:04:52,018 --> 00:04:53,781 What did you do last night, man? 66 00:04:53,853 --> 00:04:56,788 We did two whole cars. It was me, Dez and Mean 3. 67 00:04:56,856 --> 00:04:59,450 And in the first car, in small letters, it said, 68 00:04:59,525 --> 00:05:00,958 "All you see is" 69 00:05:01,027 --> 00:05:03,962 and then big block silver letters, it said, 70 00:05:04,030 --> 00:05:06,999 - "Crime in the city, " right? - It took up the whole car? 71 00:05:07,066 --> 00:05:09,534 Yeah, it was a whole car, and it was a scroll-like, 72 00:05:09,602 --> 00:05:10,967 you know, one of them scrolls? 73 00:05:11,037 --> 00:05:14,302 In the next car it was a Skeme that had a cop character. 74 00:05:14,374 --> 00:05:15,966 You know, a police nigger 75 00:05:16,042 --> 00:05:17,976 with a stick, you know, and a badge-- 76 00:05:18,044 --> 00:05:20,842 Barbara Andalcio: Society should go down in the subway and lock them up, 77 00:05:20,913 --> 00:05:23,211 because they don't have any business down there. 78 00:05:23,282 --> 00:05:25,045 It is dangerous down there. 79 00:05:25,118 --> 00:05:27,643 People that work down there 25 and 30 years... 80 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:29,483 have accidents. 81 00:05:29,555 --> 00:05:32,388 But his contention is that he's immortal, I guess, 82 00:05:32,458 --> 00:05:35,154 like most 17-year olds are immortal, right? 83 00:05:35,228 --> 00:05:38,163 It's a matter of getting a tag on each line and each division. 84 00:05:38,231 --> 00:05:40,995 You know, it's called, "going all-city." 85 00:05:41,067 --> 00:05:44,400 People see your tags in Queens, Uptown, Downtown-- all over. 86 00:05:44,470 --> 00:05:46,199 ( laughing ) 87 00:05:47,507 --> 00:05:50,101 Really, I can only laugh to keep from crying, 88 00:05:50,176 --> 00:05:52,269 because what happens is that he really-- 89 00:05:52,345 --> 00:05:54,939 I don't really think he knows how silly that sounds. 90 00:05:55,014 --> 00:05:57,608 He's going all-city. I mean, to what end? 91 00:05:57,683 --> 00:05:59,617 And when I ask him, he says to me, 92 00:05:59,685 --> 00:06:02,119 "Well, just so people see it and they know who I am." 93 00:06:02,188 --> 00:06:04,122 Nobody knows who he is and so they see it-- 94 00:06:04,190 --> 00:06:06,385 No, it's not a matter of, "So they know who I am." 95 00:06:06,459 --> 00:06:08,518 So they see it. And after they see it, so what? 96 00:06:08,594 --> 00:06:11,620 It's a matter of bombing, knowing that I can do it. 97 00:06:11,697 --> 00:06:14,962 Every time I get into a train, almost every day I see my name. 98 00:06:15,034 --> 00:06:17,468 I say, "Yeah, you know it. I was there, I bombed it." 99 00:06:17,537 --> 00:06:19,630 It's for me. It's not for nobody else to see. 100 00:06:19,705 --> 00:06:22,469 I don't care-- I don't care about nobody else seeing it, 101 00:06:22,542 --> 00:06:24,373 or the fact if they can read it or not. 102 00:06:24,444 --> 00:06:27,538 It's for me and other graffiti writers, that we can read it. 103 00:06:27,613 --> 00:06:29,979 These other people who don't write, they're excluded. 104 00:06:30,049 --> 00:06:31,641 I don't care about them, you know? 105 00:06:31,717 --> 00:06:33,480 They don't matter to me. It's for us. 106 00:06:35,354 --> 00:06:36,912 Iz the Wiz: "CC" starboard bowl 107 00:06:41,227 --> 00:06:43,661 Quik: Slow it down. Slow it down. 108 00:06:43,729 --> 00:06:45,321 Min: What is it? You tell me. 109 00:06:48,334 --> 00:06:51,770 - Nice and slow. - Iz: This is itl 110 00:06:51,838 --> 00:06:53,430 This is itl 111 00:06:53,506 --> 00:06:55,303 This is itl 112 00:06:58,344 --> 00:07:00,312 ( yelling ) 113 00:07:01,514 --> 00:07:04,108 Here we go! Here we go! 114 00:07:04,183 --> 00:07:06,151 This is it! This is it! 115 00:07:09,021 --> 00:07:11,888 Give me that towel! Give me that towel! 116 00:07:11,958 --> 00:07:14,620 That "Cathy" came out nice. That y wasn't wack. 117 00:07:14,694 --> 00:07:16,821 ( Quik applauds ) 118 00:07:20,032 --> 00:07:22,262 ( starts and stops music ) 119 00:07:25,037 --> 00:07:27,801 rapping and breaking became the prime expressions 120 00:07:27,874 --> 00:07:30,809 of a new young people's subculture called "hip-hop. " 121 00:07:30,877 --> 00:07:32,811 Graffiti is the written word. 122 00:07:32,879 --> 00:07:34,972 There is the spoken word of rap music... 123 00:07:35,047 --> 00:07:37,106 ( rap music playing ) 124 00:07:37,183 --> 00:07:42,917 and then there's the acrobatic body language of dances like "breaking. " 125 00:07:50,997 --> 00:07:53,830 Frosty Freeze: It started in the Bronx and part of Harlem. 126 00:07:53,900 --> 00:07:56,926 It started in Freeze's house. 127 00:07:57,003 --> 00:07:59,597 His mom used to break. 128 00:07:59,672 --> 00:08:01,970 Don't be talking about my mother, now. 129 00:08:03,509 --> 00:08:06,273 Just don't talk about my mother. 130 00:08:06,345 --> 00:08:09,143 Boy, you're acting stupid now. 131 00:08:09,215 --> 00:08:11,274 Breaking is when you don't have nothing to do, 132 00:08:11,350 --> 00:08:13,477 everybody just standing around and getting high. 133 00:08:16,022 --> 00:08:17,785 You make up your own freezes. 134 00:08:17,857 --> 00:08:20,291 You got names for them. 135 00:08:20,359 --> 00:08:22,827 - Like what? - Like the baby. 136 00:08:28,034 --> 00:08:29,501 That's the baby. 137 00:08:29,569 --> 00:08:31,503 A dead freeze, like this. 138 00:08:32,872 --> 00:08:34,965 Crazy Legs: That's one of them old, ancient-- 139 00:08:35,041 --> 00:08:37,976 That ain't one of the old, 'cause I was the first one to do it. 140 00:08:38,044 --> 00:08:40,376 How ancient can you get? 141 00:08:40,446 --> 00:08:43,142 - The one when you go like this? - It's called the hump. 142 00:08:43,215 --> 00:08:45,979 - The headache. - No, that's the headache. 143 00:08:46,052 --> 00:08:48,111 And the other one is the hump. 144 00:08:50,089 --> 00:08:53,115 When you got a headache, you go like that, you know? 145 00:08:54,327 --> 00:08:56,454 When you hump, you go like that. 146 00:09:39,538 --> 00:09:42,336 Yo, man, this place is bombed. 147 00:09:46,712 --> 00:09:48,304 Iz: This is the transit system. 148 00:09:48,381 --> 00:09:50,315 They don't like it to be defaced. 149 00:09:50,383 --> 00:09:52,476 They will, at times, try and... 150 00:09:52,551 --> 00:09:55,076 go to the extreme in trying to apprehend you. 151 00:09:56,389 --> 00:09:58,823 The subway system is a very old one 152 00:09:58,891 --> 00:10:01,655 and I've personally explored some tunnels 153 00:10:01,727 --> 00:10:04,161 and I've found rooms with maps that were so old, 154 00:10:04,230 --> 00:10:07,996 might have been like the first train line that New York City had. 155 00:10:08,067 --> 00:10:10,160 Call it what you want, 156 00:10:10,236 --> 00:10:12,500 it's just a lot of rock, a lot of steel,' 157 00:10:12,571 --> 00:10:15,665 it's a tomb, a dungeon, under the city. 158 00:10:21,747 --> 00:10:24,181 A lot of trains, a lot of fun. 159 00:10:24,250 --> 00:10:26,184 A lot of art. Art that's going to be 160 00:10:26,252 --> 00:10:28,379 a part of New York City's history forever. 161 00:10:29,588 --> 00:10:32,056 Sach: Oh, wowl Check it out, a whole carl 162 00:10:34,260 --> 00:10:36,353 Check it out, man! Sach, quick. 163 00:10:36,429 --> 00:10:38,226 Look at that! 164 00:10:40,199 --> 00:10:42,531 A lot of writers have been down here. You can tell. 165 00:10:42,601 --> 00:10:43,898 Graffiti all over the place. 166 00:10:45,104 --> 00:10:47,299 Years ago, it was pretty much a secret. 167 00:10:47,373 --> 00:10:50,809 It was secretly done. People wondered and wished they could do it. 168 00:10:50,876 --> 00:10:52,503 Now, most people do it. 169 00:10:55,381 --> 00:10:58,077 When all the toys are home sleeping... 170 00:10:58,150 --> 00:11:00,584 cuddling to their pillows. 171 00:11:00,653 --> 00:11:02,644 They usually have curfews. Come down... 172 00:11:02,722 --> 00:11:05,589 in the wee hours of the night after the workers done their job, 173 00:11:05,658 --> 00:11:08,024 the sweepers did the sweeping they had to do... 174 00:11:09,328 --> 00:11:11,193 I just take my time and be creative. 175 00:11:12,732 --> 00:11:15,496 Dondi: I think it's something you can never recapture again 176 00:11:15,568 --> 00:11:17,001 once you experience it. 177 00:11:17,069 --> 00:11:19,003 You have, like, live third rails, 178 00:11:19,071 --> 00:11:22,040 and like, crazy cops who come and chase you out. 179 00:11:23,943 --> 00:11:26,343 Even the smell you get when you first smell trains 180 00:11:26,412 --> 00:11:28,039 in a yard, it's like... 181 00:11:29,582 --> 00:11:31,174 it's a good smell to, like, 182 00:11:31,250 --> 00:11:33,275 a dedicated graffiti writer, I guess. 183 00:11:40,326 --> 00:11:41,884 When you're first against a train, 184 00:11:41,961 --> 00:11:44,555 everything seems so big, like... 185 00:11:44,630 --> 00:11:48,430 wow! It's like you're in a yard of metal giants. 186 00:11:51,036 --> 00:11:52,663 I mean, everything is so hard, 187 00:11:52,738 --> 00:11:55,104 and so steel, you're just there. 188 00:11:55,174 --> 00:11:57,836 You're like a little dude in the midst of all this metal, 189 00:11:57,910 --> 00:11:59,969 and like, you're here to produce something. 190 00:12:00,045 --> 00:12:02,809 Well, you're here to try to produce something. 191 00:12:10,723 --> 00:12:14,090 Well, I've seen comparable graffiti. 192 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,458 Not necessarily these particular ones. 193 00:12:16,529 --> 00:12:19,987 Each of these costs us a million dollars, in a sense, 194 00:12:20,065 --> 00:12:23,660 because others went out and tried to copy. 195 00:12:23,736 --> 00:12:25,226 It isn't worth it. 196 00:12:25,304 --> 00:12:28,330 Well, it is one of the quality-of-life offenses. 197 00:12:28,407 --> 00:12:31,843 And you can't just take one of those quality-of-life offenses; 198 00:12:31,911 --> 00:12:34,141 it's like three-card-monte 199 00:12:34,213 --> 00:12:37,205 and pickpocketing and shoplifting 200 00:12:37,283 --> 00:12:42,915 and graffiti defacing our public and private walls. 201 00:12:42,988 --> 00:12:48,016 They're all in the same area of destroying our lifestyle 202 00:12:48,093 --> 00:12:51,620 and making it difficult to enjoy life. 203 00:12:51,697 --> 00:12:54,791 And I think it has to be responded to. 204 00:12:54,867 --> 00:12:58,826 So I've told you the response that I think a repeater, 205 00:12:58,904 --> 00:13:02,135 three-time repeater, should get would be five days in jail. 206 00:13:02,208 --> 00:13:04,301 Now, obviously, a murderer, 207 00:13:04,376 --> 00:13:06,640 if you believe in the death penalty as I do, 208 00:13:06,712 --> 00:13:09,579 you want to have the option of executing a murderer. 209 00:13:09,648 --> 00:13:11,775 You wouldn't do that to a graffiti writer. 210 00:13:16,055 --> 00:13:17,647 Man: I saw you at work over here 211 00:13:17,723 --> 00:13:20,157 and I just want to find out what you're filming. 212 00:13:20,226 --> 00:13:23,093 Interviewer: We're making a film on subway graffiti in New York. 213 00:13:23,162 --> 00:13:26,029 Why did you take this particular neighborhood here? 214 00:13:26,098 --> 00:13:28,089 What's unusual? 215 00:13:28,167 --> 00:13:31,000 Is there more graffiti here than other places? 216 00:13:31,070 --> 00:13:32,503 I hope not. 217 00:13:32,571 --> 00:13:34,664 We're here because one of the best 218 00:13:34,740 --> 00:13:37,334 graffiti writers lives around here. 219 00:13:37,409 --> 00:13:39,343 He writes "Seen. " 220 00:13:39,411 --> 00:13:41,470 - What is it? - S-E-E-N. 221 00:13:41,547 --> 00:13:43,378 ( "The Wanderer" plays ) 222 00:13:45,751 --> 00:13:47,878 - That's his name? - Yes, that's what he writes. 223 00:13:47,953 --> 00:13:50,922 - Or is it a nom de plume? - It is a nom de plume. 224 00:13:50,990 --> 00:13:53,288 I see. You wouldn't tell me his real name? 225 00:13:53,359 --> 00:13:55,327 - No. - Why not? 226 00:13:55,394 --> 00:13:58,625 Would he get in trouble, or wouldn't he be glorified by it? 227 00:13:58,697 --> 00:14:03,566 * Oh, I'm the type of guy who'll never settle down * 228 00:14:03,636 --> 00:14:07,470 * Where pretty girls are, well, you know that I'm around * 229 00:14:07,539 --> 00:14:09,370 * I kiss 'em and I love 'em * 230 00:14:09,441 --> 00:14:11,500 * 'Cause to me they're all the same * 231 00:14:11,577 --> 00:14:13,545 * I hug 'em and I squeeze 'em * 232 00:14:13,612 --> 00:14:15,512 * They don't even know my name * 233 00:14:15,581 --> 00:14:17,742 * Yeah, I'm a wanderer * 234 00:14:17,816 --> 00:14:19,579 * Yeah, I'm a wanderer * 235 00:14:19,652 --> 00:14:22,314 * I roam around, around, around, around * 236 00:14:22,388 --> 00:14:24,515 * Yeah, go ahead and go * 237 00:14:24,590 --> 00:14:26,558 ( saxophone solo plays ) 238 00:14:41,106 --> 00:14:43,006 * 'Cause I'm a wanderer * 239 00:14:43,075 --> 00:14:44,667 * Yeah, I'm a wanderer * 240 00:14:44,743 --> 00:14:48,873 * I roam around, around, around, around, around * 241 00:14:48,948 --> 00:14:50,939 * 'Cause I'm a wanderer * 242 00:14:51,016 --> 00:14:52,677 * Yeah, I'm a wanderer. * 243 00:14:52,751 --> 00:14:55,618 Seen: All right, there's about four numerous reasons why... 244 00:14:55,688 --> 00:14:58,122 I ain't painting right now. 245 00:14:58,190 --> 00:15:00,658 To make a long story short, 246 00:15:00,726 --> 00:15:03,422 I'm on what they call a six-month probation. 247 00:15:03,495 --> 00:15:06,293 I call it a six-month vacation, never mind probation. 248 00:15:06,365 --> 00:15:08,595 Now they got a graffiti squad on this line, 249 00:15:08,667 --> 00:15:10,635 which there really was never, really. 250 00:15:10,703 --> 00:15:13,365 Since they come on this line, it's been harder to piece. 251 00:15:13,439 --> 00:15:17,136 It ain't like the old days when the train pulled into the yard on a Friday night, 252 00:15:17,209 --> 00:15:19,803 that train wouldn't pull out until Monday morning. 253 00:15:19,878 --> 00:15:21,709 Now, when you go to piece a train, 254 00:15:21,780 --> 00:15:24,374 you put an outline on the train and you can say goodbye, 255 00:15:24,450 --> 00:15:26,247 the train pulls out 10 minutes later. 256 00:15:26,318 --> 00:15:28,115 Or, if you're ready to put an outline, 257 00:15:28,187 --> 00:15:31,645 you gotta chase the train down the track to put an outline on the piece. 258 00:15:31,724 --> 00:15:35,182 It just ain't the same anymore. They don't know what they're doing no more. 259 00:15:36,895 --> 00:15:39,659 Late, as usual. 260 00:15:39,732 --> 00:15:41,825 But I'm here. I show up, though. 261 00:15:41,900 --> 00:15:43,697 I show up. Let me see. 262 00:15:45,237 --> 00:15:48,798 Well, why don't you do this one on that side of the wall? 263 00:15:48,874 --> 00:15:50,705 - You know what I'm saying? - These two? 264 00:15:50,776 --> 00:15:52,801 - No. This one-- - It's going to be crowded. 265 00:15:52,878 --> 00:15:54,436 We're going to have plenty of room. 266 00:15:54,513 --> 00:15:57,641 - The bottom of the piece? - The bottom of the piece, I say, about here. 267 00:15:57,716 --> 00:16:00,048 "The United Artists" will go a little bit below the top, 268 00:16:00,119 --> 00:16:02,451 'cause you're going to have it on a wave. Big letters. 269 00:16:02,521 --> 00:16:05,115 I want you to start from about here. Maybe even here. 270 00:16:05,190 --> 00:16:07,351 Start it from here. Listen to me. From here. 271 00:16:07,426 --> 00:16:09,485 You understand what I'm saying to you? 272 00:16:09,561 --> 00:16:11,529 ( paint spraying ) 273 00:16:13,198 --> 00:16:15,496 I still think it's too big. 274 00:16:19,671 --> 00:16:22,640 Now, your first outline is needed, always needed. 275 00:16:22,708 --> 00:16:24,801 This way you know what you're filling in. 276 00:16:24,877 --> 00:16:27,209 No matter how good you are, you can't just go on in 277 00:16:27,279 --> 00:16:29,144 and just start filling in-- in the air. 278 00:16:29,214 --> 00:16:31,011 You've got to have your first outline. 279 00:16:31,083 --> 00:16:33,449 Once your first outline is done, then your fill-in, 280 00:16:33,519 --> 00:16:35,180 that takes away your first outline. 281 00:16:35,254 --> 00:16:37,984 You don't need your first because now you got your fill-in. 282 00:16:38,057 --> 00:16:40,992 From your fill-in, you put your colors and then your 3-D. 283 00:16:41,060 --> 00:16:43,528 If you want background, you put your cloud or whatever. 284 00:16:45,064 --> 00:16:47,430 How's this, Nick? I'm throwing a few connections here. 285 00:16:47,499 --> 00:16:49,296 I'm going to make it look like yours. 286 00:16:51,003 --> 00:16:53,631 What do you think? I'll make a few bits. 287 00:16:57,009 --> 00:16:58,476 All right. Huh? 288 00:16:59,845 --> 00:17:03,281 Bits. Bits. I don't know. Little doodads here and there. 289 00:17:03,348 --> 00:17:05,282 Yeah, now it's shaping up. 290 00:17:05,350 --> 00:17:07,750 I have about a hundred outlines, but I've shaped it up. 291 00:17:07,820 --> 00:17:09,788 Nicky, Nicky, come onl 292 00:17:09,855 --> 00:17:11,789 You gonna save me room or what? 293 00:17:11,857 --> 00:17:14,621 I didn't do that to yours. Get out of there! Go on! 294 00:17:14,693 --> 00:17:16,752 Woman: He's making a mess in this house. 295 00:17:17,362 --> 00:17:20,627 He cannot sit down without, 296 00:17:20,699 --> 00:17:22,792 you know, doing graffiti on something. 297 00:17:22,868 --> 00:17:24,733 - All right-- - He really can't. 298 00:17:24,803 --> 00:17:26,600 When you're talking on the phone, 299 00:17:26,672 --> 00:17:28,139 you don't doodle on the paper? 300 00:17:28,207 --> 00:17:29,970 - I don't doodle. - Yes, you do. 301 00:17:30,042 --> 00:17:33,307 - I do not doodle. - You do doodle on the paper. 302 00:17:33,378 --> 00:17:36,347 I just write my name while I'm talking on the phone. What's that? 303 00:17:36,415 --> 00:17:38,144 I'm just writing something. 304 00:17:38,217 --> 00:17:41,653 You're telling me that you write your name while you're talking on the phone. 305 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:45,315 In the meantime, you have destroyed your room. 306 00:17:45,390 --> 00:17:48,086 - You have destroyed your room. - Testing out my paints. 307 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,424 You have no respect for anything. 308 00:17:50,496 --> 00:17:52,555 Don't tell me about testing out your paints. 309 00:17:52,631 --> 00:17:55,623 Ain't we putting red, yellow, or red, orange and yellow here? 310 00:17:55,701 --> 00:17:57,430 No, the brown's got to be brown. 311 00:17:57,503 --> 00:18:00,097 I ain't putting no browns there. Ain't no way. 312 00:18:00,172 --> 00:18:03,801 Red, orange and yellow. You want it to stand out. 313 00:18:03,876 --> 00:18:07,607 The whole thing. Around the whole works-- red, orange, yellow. 314 00:18:07,679 --> 00:18:10,273 Remember how I did the "Mad Seen" with the wall 315 00:18:10,349 --> 00:18:12,442 and the color went all around the thing? 316 00:18:12,518 --> 00:18:14,452 The "Mad Seen," the one on the 5s? 317 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:18,286 With the walls all falling down. The one I did myself. 318 00:18:18,357 --> 00:18:19,790 - No. - All right. 319 00:18:19,858 --> 00:18:21,553 Let me explain. 320 00:18:21,627 --> 00:18:23,788 Yellow, orange and a little bit of red-- 321 00:18:23,862 --> 00:18:26,524 yellow and orange around the whole thing and then, 322 00:18:26,598 --> 00:18:30,159 we'll put browns and beiges in the 3-D. Believe me. 323 00:18:30,235 --> 00:18:32,135 I'll show you. Not around the fade. 324 00:18:32,204 --> 00:18:34,297 Fade into the yellow, but a trim over it-- 325 00:18:34,373 --> 00:18:36,102 a cheap trim. I'll show you after. 326 00:18:36,175 --> 00:18:38,302 I'll show you after. All right? 327 00:18:38,377 --> 00:18:40,402 I'll never steer you wrong, Nick. 328 00:18:42,948 --> 00:18:45,815 Rustoleum, Krylon, Wet-Iook, 329 00:18:45,884 --> 00:18:47,579 Epoxy, Red Devil... 330 00:18:47,653 --> 00:18:49,917 When you hold a can of Rustoleum in your hand, 331 00:18:49,988 --> 00:18:52,582 it's like holding three other shit brands in your hand. 332 00:18:52,658 --> 00:18:55,024 It lasts, it covers, 333 00:18:55,093 --> 00:18:57,084 and it's not aerosol like Krylon. 334 00:18:57,162 --> 00:18:59,392 It just comes out in a mist. This comes out like paint. 335 00:19:00,999 --> 00:19:04,958 Mayor Koch: The schools have courses in art. 336 00:19:05,037 --> 00:19:07,870 How about the mothers and fathers of this city 337 00:19:07,940 --> 00:19:11,034 saying to the kids, "That's the wrong thing to do"? 338 00:19:11,109 --> 00:19:14,044 You listen to them talk, they sound ridiculous. 339 00:19:14,112 --> 00:19:16,444 He's king of the yakkety-yak yard. 340 00:19:16,515 --> 00:19:18,608 Who died and left him king of any yard? 341 00:19:18,684 --> 00:19:21,619 He owns nothing in the subway, you know? 342 00:19:21,687 --> 00:19:23,211 ( laughs ) 343 00:19:23,288 --> 00:19:25,279 I love robbing paint. 344 00:19:25,357 --> 00:19:27,791 I know, you know, everybody knows how you rob it. 345 00:19:27,859 --> 00:19:30,623 He gets me souped up and sometimes I'll go and get 346 00:19:30,696 --> 00:19:32,857 15 cans at a time, you know. 347 00:19:32,931 --> 00:19:34,796 Stuffing it in your coat, in your shirt, 348 00:19:34,866 --> 00:19:37,494 down the back of your pants. It's mainly with the big coat 349 00:19:37,569 --> 00:19:40,129 and like 15 cans, 350 00:19:40,205 --> 00:19:42,298 you figure it out, it's like over $50. 351 00:19:42,374 --> 00:19:44,069 You're going into stores-- 352 00:19:44,142 --> 00:19:46,702 we could go one day and get 100 cans at a time. 353 00:19:46,778 --> 00:19:49,144 It's easy. For me, anyway. 354 00:19:49,214 --> 00:19:51,148 It's harder on black kids 355 00:19:51,216 --> 00:19:53,980 or Spanish kids, 'cause everybody thinks 356 00:19:54,052 --> 00:19:56,987 a graffiti writer is black and Puerto Rican, 357 00:19:57,055 --> 00:19:59,853 and that's, you know, it's wrong. 358 00:20:01,059 --> 00:20:03,721 A lot of white people are writin'. 359 00:20:03,795 --> 00:20:08,198 What you've got is a whole miserable subculture. 360 00:20:09,735 --> 00:20:12,499 Zephyr: I was raised on the Upper East Side of Manhattan. 361 00:20:12,571 --> 00:20:16,837 I went to a sort of strict prep school in the Bronx, right? 362 00:20:16,908 --> 00:20:19,001 Riverdale Country School. 363 00:20:19,077 --> 00:20:21,170 In attending that school, 364 00:20:21,246 --> 00:20:23,612 I had to walk past the 1 yard 365 00:20:23,682 --> 00:20:25,980 on 242nd Street every day. 366 00:20:26,051 --> 00:20:29,680 From where I stood, I'd watch the trains pull in and out. 367 00:20:29,755 --> 00:20:31,916 I thought, "How could a human being 368 00:20:31,990 --> 00:20:34,015 have his name on every car?" 369 00:20:34,092 --> 00:20:35,889 You know, that these guys 370 00:20:35,961 --> 00:20:38,759 must either live in there, be allowed to live in there, 371 00:20:38,830 --> 00:20:40,593 or just be... 372 00:20:40,666 --> 00:20:44,227 allowed to go off like that, right? 373 00:20:44,303 --> 00:20:47,864 They're trespassing it; they're beating the system; 374 00:20:47,939 --> 00:20:50,066 they're getting their names up, right? 375 00:20:51,543 --> 00:20:54,808 We've drenched the city with our names, right? 376 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:56,677 We're trying our damndest. 377 00:20:57,249 --> 00:21:00,013 ( lengthy instrumental intro ) 378 00:21:22,674 --> 00:21:24,437 * Pump, pump, pump me up * 379 00:21:24,509 --> 00:21:26,670 * Like the man with the super "S" on his cape * 380 00:21:26,745 --> 00:21:29,009 * Jump through the pump and do great * 381 00:21:29,081 --> 00:21:31,413 * I'm DJ Rockin' and I can pass the test * 382 00:21:31,483 --> 00:21:33,348 * Get down rappers from east to west * 383 00:21:33,418 --> 00:21:35,909 * This party, please, that party, please * 384 00:21:35,987 --> 00:21:38,046 * I'll pump them with the greatest of ease * 385 00:21:38,123 --> 00:21:40,353 * This is DJ Rockin' with the master beat * 386 00:21:40,425 --> 00:21:42,757 * With the boogie and the sound that moves the feet * 387 00:21:42,828 --> 00:21:44,796 - * Somebody say-- * - Get upl Get upl 388 00:21:44,863 --> 00:21:46,728 - * Somebody say-- * - Get upl Get upl 389 00:21:46,798 --> 00:21:49,164 * You party good you're going down * 390 00:21:49,234 --> 00:21:51,634 * You compliment this funky sound * 391 00:21:51,703 --> 00:21:53,637 * Pump-pump-pump-pump me upl * 392 00:21:53,705 --> 00:21:55,138 We caught... 393 00:21:55,207 --> 00:21:57,300 a freshly painted... 394 00:21:57,376 --> 00:21:59,310 "Double-R," 395 00:21:59,378 --> 00:22:01,972 and we spent about three hours in it. 396 00:22:02,047 --> 00:22:04,311 - That's impossible. - No, it's not. 397 00:22:04,383 --> 00:22:05,975 We were tagging with the "Unis," 398 00:22:06,051 --> 00:22:07,814 then the "Minis," then the "Marvies," 399 00:22:07,886 --> 00:22:09,820 then the "Pilots," then the "Flo-pens" 400 00:22:09,888 --> 00:22:11,321 and we were doing clouds 401 00:22:11,390 --> 00:22:13,824 around the tags and 3-Ds on the tags-- 402 00:22:13,892 --> 00:22:16,827 for the Double-Rs, to have a clean car back then, 403 00:22:16,895 --> 00:22:19,830 it was... we just had an orgasm. 404 00:22:19,898 --> 00:22:21,525 * Pump-pump-pump me upl * 405 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,830 Narrator: 1970-- 406 00:22:23,902 --> 00:22:25,836 the idea of getting your name up, 407 00:22:25,904 --> 00:22:28,338 not just in your neighborhood, but everywhere, 408 00:22:28,407 --> 00:22:30,841 was invented by a kid named Taki, 409 00:22:30,909 --> 00:22:33,901 who lived on 183rd Street in Washington Heights. 410 00:22:33,979 --> 00:22:36,573 Taki 183. 411 00:22:36,648 --> 00:22:39,446 As soon as everybody understood that it was a name, 412 00:22:39,518 --> 00:22:42,009 they realized that Taki was famous. 413 00:22:42,087 --> 00:22:43,679 Wasp: Taki 183 was the first guy. 414 00:22:43,755 --> 00:22:46,189 Even though they say Julio 204 started before him. 415 00:22:46,258 --> 00:22:48,123 But he was the one who made it famous. 416 00:22:48,193 --> 00:22:51,162 Then, after him, in them times, it was Papo 184. 417 00:22:51,229 --> 00:22:53,129 Then came out Junior 161, 418 00:22:53,198 --> 00:22:55,462 Cay 161, they were bombing, too. 419 00:22:55,534 --> 00:22:58,128 Stitch came out around 1971. 420 00:22:58,203 --> 00:23:00,034 He was all-city, too. 421 00:23:00,105 --> 00:23:01,663 Barbara, Eva 62, they were girls. 422 00:23:01,740 --> 00:23:03,298 Everybody was writing. 423 00:23:03,375 --> 00:23:05,900 That was what everybody was talking in them days. 424 00:23:05,977 --> 00:23:08,104 - * Somebody say-- * - Get upl Get upl 425 00:23:08,180 --> 00:23:10,273 - * Somebody say... * - Get upl Get upl 426 00:23:10,348 --> 00:23:13,476 I got into graffiti, just like riding the trains, when I was younger. 427 00:23:13,552 --> 00:23:16,316 You know, looking at the old writers' shit, you know? 428 00:23:16,388 --> 00:23:17,980 A lot of new writers around, 429 00:23:18,056 --> 00:23:20,422 you talk to them about a lot of old writers, 430 00:23:20,492 --> 00:23:22,483 they don't know what you're talking about. 431 00:23:22,561 --> 00:23:26,327 I started in 1973 or 1974, 432 00:23:26,398 --> 00:23:28,332 during very... 433 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,994 early years... 434 00:23:31,069 --> 00:23:32,832 of initial bombing, 435 00:23:32,904 --> 00:23:34,838 very important years of graffiti bombing. 436 00:23:34,906 --> 00:23:36,271 If it wasn't for those years, 437 00:23:36,341 --> 00:23:38,400 I don't think we would get where we are today. 438 00:23:38,477 --> 00:23:40,741 That was the life back then. That was happening. 439 00:23:40,812 --> 00:23:43,508 Everybody was pioneering back then. 440 00:23:43,582 --> 00:23:46,517 That's when all your developing happened-- your bubble letters, 441 00:23:46,585 --> 00:23:48,849 all that kind of stuff. Your wild styles. 442 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:50,888 * Pump-pump-pump-pump me upl * 443 00:23:53,825 --> 00:23:55,554 Crash: The wild styles. 444 00:23:55,627 --> 00:23:58,596 Noc: You don't have to do straight letters to have style. 445 00:24:03,869 --> 00:24:06,565 Anything that comes in your imagination 446 00:24:06,638 --> 00:24:08,970 adds onto your own individual style. 447 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:10,507 The arrow. 448 00:24:12,043 --> 00:24:14,671 Everybody's got their own arrow. 449 00:24:15,881 --> 00:24:18,008 I like that, though. 450 00:24:22,554 --> 00:24:25,648 Various arrow some guys have on-the-letter arrow-- 451 00:24:25,724 --> 00:24:28,318 that was like connection. 452 00:24:28,393 --> 00:24:31,089 Some people had different arrows 453 00:24:31,162 --> 00:24:33,096 just going right through their pieces. 454 00:24:33,164 --> 00:24:35,257 * The funk is here so you can go groove * 455 00:24:35,333 --> 00:24:37,858 * We want to make your body move * 456 00:24:37,936 --> 00:24:40,496 * Pump-pump-pump-pump me upl * 457 00:24:41,573 --> 00:24:43,837 Colors, designs, style, technical advanced... 458 00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:45,672 - Get loose. - Get loose. 459 00:24:45,744 --> 00:24:47,109 Cartoons, everything. 460 00:24:47,178 --> 00:24:49,271 And when they see you got a vicious style, 461 00:24:49,347 --> 00:24:51,281 they be wanting to get loose about it, 462 00:24:51,349 --> 00:24:52,941 and that's what keep it going. 463 00:24:53,018 --> 00:24:55,486 - That's what sparks graffiti. - Keep sparkin' it. 464 00:24:55,554 --> 00:24:58,614 You know, I know a lot of good writers, 465 00:24:58,690 --> 00:25:00,453 and all the writers that I knew, 466 00:25:00,525 --> 00:25:02,959 they used to get up, so they used to tell me, 467 00:25:03,028 --> 00:25:04,620 "Trap, why don't you get up?" 468 00:25:04,696 --> 00:25:06,288 And I started getting up with them, 469 00:25:06,364 --> 00:25:07,729 we started doing pieces. 470 00:25:07,799 --> 00:25:09,733 Then I met Dez-- 471 00:25:09,801 --> 00:25:12,634 One day, I came to the Bench and I seen him sitting there, 472 00:25:12,704 --> 00:25:13,864 looking at the pieces. 473 00:25:13,939 --> 00:25:15,964 You could tell a writer, you know? 474 00:25:16,041 --> 00:25:17,975 You go to the Bench and you see him 475 00:25:18,043 --> 00:25:20,978 as the trains go by, he be going like this, 476 00:25:21,046 --> 00:25:23,139 you know, he have ink stains on his clothes. 477 00:25:23,214 --> 00:25:26,115 He gave me outlines and stuff to practice-- 478 00:25:26,184 --> 00:25:28,982 I can't let him go for at least five minutes, 479 00:25:29,054 --> 00:25:31,249 or he'll destroy the piece. 480 00:25:31,323 --> 00:25:33,484 You know? I turn around, 481 00:25:33,558 --> 00:25:36,322 "Trap, what you doing? I want to do my own piece." 482 00:25:36,394 --> 00:25:39,192 I said, "Yeah, but, you know, follow the outline." 483 00:25:41,733 --> 00:25:43,530 Russ, Russ! 484 00:25:46,571 --> 00:25:48,436 What's up, man? 485 00:25:48,506 --> 00:25:50,303 You know it. Chillin', man! 486 00:25:51,509 --> 00:25:53,875 Slick Rick! Slick Rick! 487 00:25:53,945 --> 00:25:55,708 And the Acey Base! 488 00:25:57,048 --> 00:25:59,846 For about two and a half years I was upstate 489 00:25:59,918 --> 00:26:03,115 from like the beginning of 1970 to '72. 490 00:26:03,188 --> 00:26:05,656 What's up? Hey, what's up? 491 00:26:07,525 --> 00:26:09,789 When I came home, I ain't know nothing about 492 00:26:09,861 --> 00:26:12,625 no writing, no graffiti, 'cause I wasn't about it. 493 00:26:12,697 --> 00:26:14,494 All right, you know it. 494 00:26:16,034 --> 00:26:17,501 What's up, man? 495 00:26:19,204 --> 00:26:22,640 So, when I got home, I seen writing on the train. 496 00:26:22,707 --> 00:26:25,073 I said, "What's this stuff here? 497 00:26:25,143 --> 00:26:27,304 Those niggers doing their names big." 498 00:26:27,379 --> 00:26:29,370 Said, "Let me do one at least." 499 00:26:29,447 --> 00:26:32,143 'Cause I was down with art already. 500 00:26:32,217 --> 00:26:34,981 And I did me a piece for people in general 501 00:26:35,053 --> 00:26:36,918 to get to know who I am. 502 00:26:39,057 --> 00:26:42,049 I said, "Oh, that looks all right. 503 00:26:42,127 --> 00:26:44,095 I'm'a go every Sunday now." 504 00:26:44,162 --> 00:26:47,063 Next thing I know, I started getting better and better. 505 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,868 And as I realized, I knew to get better, I said, "Oh, man, 506 00:26:52,937 --> 00:26:55,132 I'm going to bring out the computer rock." 507 00:26:55,206 --> 00:26:57,003 And then that's when I really got loose, 508 00:26:57,075 --> 00:26:59,976 'cause then niggers was saying, "Yo, who's that guy?" 509 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,111 Then one day, these news reporters people was on train station-- 510 00:27:05,183 --> 00:27:06,775 we was going by and we seen them. 511 00:27:06,851 --> 00:27:09,411 We seen them filming our whole car. 512 00:27:09,487 --> 00:27:11,614 We went up to them, and I remember, I said, 513 00:27:11,690 --> 00:27:13,783 "Who you think probably done that right there?" 514 00:27:13,858 --> 00:27:15,655 Just to be curious to see what they'd say. 515 00:27:15,727 --> 00:27:17,922 And they say, "I don't know, but whoever done it, 516 00:27:17,996 --> 00:27:19,361 that's remarkable talent. 517 00:27:19,431 --> 00:27:21,831 I ain't never seen nothing like this before. " 518 00:27:25,203 --> 00:27:28,001 I said, "If I told you I did it, would you believe me?" 519 00:27:28,073 --> 00:27:29,665 He say, "I don't know. I can't say, 520 00:27:29,741 --> 00:27:31,538 but I believe so, 'cause you don't know 521 00:27:31,609 --> 00:27:33,133 what you can believe these days." 522 00:27:33,211 --> 00:27:34,838 I said, "I did." And then he said, 523 00:27:34,913 --> 00:27:36,972 "I don't believe that. You only got one arm." 524 00:27:37,048 --> 00:27:38,640 I said, "That don't mean nothing. 525 00:27:38,717 --> 00:27:41,652 I do things that people don't realize I can do with this. 526 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,551 Being that I'm like this, you know?" 527 00:27:43,621 --> 00:27:45,714 And then he said, "I hear you there, sonny." 528 00:27:45,790 --> 00:27:47,257 And I say, "I ain't no sonny. 529 00:27:47,325 --> 00:27:49,259 I just was asking you a question, sir, 530 00:27:49,327 --> 00:27:52,057 that's all I wanted to know, to see your feelings about it." 531 00:27:52,797 --> 00:27:53,593 ( whistling ) 532 00:27:53,665 --> 00:27:56,190 * Do you want to dance? * 533 00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:59,261 What's up? 534 00:27:59,337 --> 00:28:01,862 You getting some candy? 535 00:28:01,940 --> 00:28:04,204 Ain't getting nothing? 536 00:28:04,275 --> 00:28:06,539 Gimme some candy, man. Ain't got no candy? 537 00:28:11,015 --> 00:28:13,848 Hey, Gigolo! Whatcha know? 538 00:28:13,918 --> 00:28:15,647 Gigolo! 539 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,312 Where that nigger at? 540 00:28:18,857 --> 00:28:20,620 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can dig it. 541 00:28:20,692 --> 00:28:22,592 We goin' on the other side, right? 542 00:28:22,660 --> 00:28:23,592 Word. 543 00:28:23,661 --> 00:28:25,629 Wha-wha-wha-- gigolo. 544 00:28:25,697 --> 00:28:28,222 - What happpenin'? - The Beastmaster. 545 00:28:28,299 --> 00:28:30,062 * Do you want to dance? * 546 00:28:30,135 --> 00:28:32,126 * Are you willing to take a chance? * 547 00:28:32,203 --> 00:28:34,296 - Look at that eye. - Word. 548 00:28:34,372 --> 00:28:36,499 Look at that eagle. Word. 549 00:28:36,574 --> 00:28:39,407 I said look at that eye. 550 00:28:39,477 --> 00:28:41,604 You know where he got that from, right? 551 00:28:41,679 --> 00:28:45,046 From Vaughn Bode and who? Frank Frazetta! 552 00:28:45,116 --> 00:28:46,447 The Beastmaster. 553 00:28:46,518 --> 00:28:47,917 The letters is breakin' out. 554 00:28:47,986 --> 00:28:50,079 "The epic adventures of a new kind of hero." 555 00:28:50,155 --> 00:28:52,919 That's what we're going to be. The extraterrestrial brothers. 556 00:28:52,991 --> 00:28:54,925 You know what I'm saying? Extra terrest! 557 00:28:54,993 --> 00:28:56,927 Knowing we the best. Know what I'm sayin'? 558 00:28:56,995 --> 00:28:58,963 ( train whistle blowing ) 559 00:29:01,332 --> 00:29:03,892 * It's a Dezzy Dez and a Kasey Kase * 560 00:29:03,968 --> 00:29:07,028 * And D-5, we're going to rock the place * 561 00:29:07,105 --> 00:29:08,868 * And if you're based in the place * 562 00:29:08,940 --> 00:29:11,272 * You will get disgraced, because we are the crew * 563 00:29:11,342 --> 00:29:12,604 * That we got the place * 564 00:29:12,677 --> 00:29:15,510 * Rock-sock-it, rock-it-in-a-pocket * 565 00:29:15,580 --> 00:29:17,810 * A sock-sock-it, rock-it-in-a-pocket * 566 00:29:17,882 --> 00:29:20,544 * I say, pushed that girl in front of the train * 567 00:29:20,618 --> 00:29:22,984 * Took her to the doctor, sewed her arm on again * 568 00:29:23,054 --> 00:29:25,921 * Stabbed that man right in his heart * 569 00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:28,083 * Gave him a transplant for a brand new start * 570 00:29:28,159 --> 00:29:29,683 * Can't cut through the park * 571 00:29:29,761 --> 00:29:31,285 * 'Cause it's crazy after dark * 572 00:29:31,362 --> 00:29:33,762 * Keep my hand on my gun, they got me on the run * 573 00:29:33,832 --> 00:29:36,164 * I feel like a outlaw broke my last glass jaw * 574 00:29:36,234 --> 00:29:39,533 * Hear them say, "You want some more?" Living on a seesaw * 575 00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:50,843 * Broken glass everywhere, people pissing on the stairs * 576 00:29:50,915 --> 00:29:53,509 * You know, they just don't care, I can't take the smell * 577 00:29:53,585 --> 00:29:56,986 * Can't take the noise, got no money to move out, I guess I got no choice * 578 00:29:57,055 --> 00:29:59,489 * Rats in the front room, roaches in the back * 579 00:29:59,557 --> 00:30:01,650 * Junkies in the alley with a baseball bat * 580 00:30:01,726 --> 00:30:04,160 * I tried to get away but I couldn't get far * 581 00:30:04,229 --> 00:30:06,823 * 'Cause a man with a tow-truck repossessed my car * 582 00:30:06,898 --> 00:30:11,597 * Don't push me 'cause I'm close to the edge * 583 00:30:11,669 --> 00:30:15,161 * I'm trying not to lose my head * 584 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,333 * Ha-ha-ha! * 585 00:30:17,408 --> 00:30:20,172 Kase: Well, I know one thing about graffiti, man. 586 00:30:20,245 --> 00:30:23,180 Niggers say it played out, niggers say this, niggers say that. 587 00:30:23,248 --> 00:30:25,045 But, it's going to keep going on. 588 00:30:25,116 --> 00:30:28,017 'Cause I might be old and quit, but you coming up, 589 00:30:28,086 --> 00:30:31,578 younger niggers is coming up, it's going to keep going and keep going, you know? 590 00:30:31,656 --> 00:30:34,352 'Cause you going to be a king soon, too, you know? 591 00:30:35,593 --> 00:30:37,686 Dez: He's like a son to me, in a way, you know. 592 00:30:37,762 --> 00:30:40,424 I look out for him and he looks out for me. 593 00:30:40,498 --> 00:30:43,467 I won't let nothing happen to him, you know? 594 00:30:43,534 --> 00:30:46,401 He won't let nothing happen to me if he could help it. 595 00:30:47,605 --> 00:30:49,300 I know for his age, 596 00:30:49,374 --> 00:30:51,308 he's 14 now, 597 00:30:51,376 --> 00:30:52,968 and I'm 16. 598 00:30:53,044 --> 00:30:54,636 About the time he get my age, 599 00:30:54,712 --> 00:30:56,839 he be one of the best people out. 600 00:30:58,383 --> 00:31:00,647 If he continues to go on in the years, 601 00:31:00,718 --> 00:31:02,811 he can be another Picasso. 602 00:31:02,887 --> 00:31:04,548 ( laughs ) 603 00:31:06,057 --> 00:31:07,854 * Get funky in the place * 604 00:31:11,462 --> 00:31:13,225 * Get funky in the place * 605 00:31:18,069 --> 00:31:20,469 * Life ain't no more a joke, it's a serious thing * 606 00:31:20,538 --> 00:31:23,405 * When you're dealing with the answers that you can't explain * 607 00:31:23,474 --> 00:31:26,068 * It's the funky beat and there's the funky beat * 608 00:31:26,144 --> 00:31:28,669 * And there's the funk, the funk and the funky beat * 609 00:31:28,746 --> 00:31:31,010 * E-yah * 610 00:31:31,082 --> 00:31:34,108 * Like a little jelly bean I'm a sweet like a candy cane * 611 00:31:34,185 --> 00:31:36,517 * I make you get down this is number one stain * 612 00:31:36,587 --> 00:31:39,385 * On the train just groovin' like a seesaw * 613 00:31:39,457 --> 00:31:41,186 * They're a-breakin' up, yeah, yeah... * 614 00:31:41,259 --> 00:31:43,318 Narrator: The idea of style and competing 615 00:31:43,394 --> 00:31:46,795 for the best style is the key to all forms of rocking. 616 00:31:46,864 --> 00:31:49,628 * He can own the freak a-like a little deak-deak * 617 00:31:49,701 --> 00:31:50,963 * You're rockin' on * 618 00:31:51,035 --> 00:31:53,970 With the rap M.C., it's rocking the mike... 619 00:31:54,038 --> 00:31:57,474 for the B-boys, it's rocking your body in break dancing. 620 00:31:57,542 --> 00:32:02,138 Or for writers, rocking the city with your name on a train. 621 00:32:02,213 --> 00:32:04,181 * Get funky in the place * 622 00:32:06,884 --> 00:32:08,852 * Get funky in the place... * 623 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,548 ( boombox playing ) 624 00:32:16,561 --> 00:32:18,995 Lennie Len: Right now, he's doing the footwork 625 00:32:19,063 --> 00:32:22,032 when original breaking came out. 626 00:32:24,736 --> 00:32:26,829 There he's doing the baby and the turtle. 627 00:32:26,904 --> 00:32:28,496 - The back bridge. - Yeah. 628 00:32:28,573 --> 00:32:31,201 He did the head spin and then just went up. 629 00:32:33,478 --> 00:32:35,503 I got a certain backspin that I made up. 630 00:32:35,580 --> 00:32:36,740 Want me to show you it? 631 00:32:36,814 --> 00:32:38,873 I started off doing like this... 632 00:32:42,587 --> 00:32:44,384 and landing like that. 633 00:32:46,591 --> 00:32:48,286 So, then, I just... 634 00:32:48,359 --> 00:32:51,123 decided not to do the freeze and keep on spinning. 635 00:32:51,195 --> 00:32:53,129 So it goes like this. 636 00:32:53,197 --> 00:32:55,791 I put my arm right here and it's easy. 637 00:32:55,867 --> 00:32:58,028 And I push my arm and swing my left leg-- 638 00:32:58,102 --> 00:33:00,161 my right leg-- both of 'em around. 639 00:33:11,215 --> 00:33:13,479 Other crews, they're not as good as us, 640 00:33:13,551 --> 00:33:15,985 'cause we have the breaking form. 641 00:33:16,054 --> 00:33:18,750 - Crazy Legs: Original style. - Yeah, original style. 642 00:33:18,823 --> 00:33:21,087 Other crews like "Dynamic Rockers," 643 00:33:21,159 --> 00:33:23,150 - they bite, usually-- - Yeah, they bite! 644 00:33:23,227 --> 00:33:26,424 Let me tell you about these people, Dynamic Rockers. 645 00:33:26,497 --> 00:33:28,021 MC: One-two-one-two. 646 00:33:29,367 --> 00:33:31,267 One-two-one. Party people in the placel 647 00:33:31,335 --> 00:33:33,496 Rock Steady against Dynamic Rockersl 648 00:33:33,571 --> 00:33:35,368 Rock on till the break of dawnl 649 00:33:39,243 --> 00:33:40,733 Crazy Legs in the housel 650 00:33:40,812 --> 00:33:42,336 Crazy Legs: This goes back... 651 00:33:42,413 --> 00:33:44,847 when I used to go to the roller-skating rink, 652 00:33:44,916 --> 00:33:47,282 United Skates of America in Queens, right? 653 00:33:47,351 --> 00:33:50,787 I used to go over there to break against all of them and take them all out. 654 00:33:50,855 --> 00:33:53,949 You know, burn 'em, make 'em look stupid. 655 00:33:54,025 --> 00:33:57,119 And they had no kind of style at all. 656 00:33:57,195 --> 00:33:59,129 They was beginners. 657 00:33:59,197 --> 00:34:01,062 I been breaking way before them. 658 00:34:02,366 --> 00:34:04,960 MC: * A-rock-on the kid the Crazy Legs... * 659 00:34:05,036 --> 00:34:08,802 Frosty Freeze: We started doing better routines than they were. 660 00:34:08,873 --> 00:34:11,137 They got to a point where they got mad at us 661 00:34:11,209 --> 00:34:13,473 because we was taking them out with our moves. 662 00:34:13,544 --> 00:34:15,478 Then, that started getting out of hand, 663 00:34:15,546 --> 00:34:17,605 because they had the crowd and we didn't. 664 00:34:17,682 --> 00:34:20,150 MC: Yol Whoever ain't in Rock Steady or Dynamic, 665 00:34:20,218 --> 00:34:22,482 get behind the barriersl 666 00:34:22,553 --> 00:34:25,317 Yol Both rockin' crews, can you please listen? 667 00:34:25,389 --> 00:34:27,687 Nobody's listening to me. 668 00:34:28,893 --> 00:34:30,758 We're not going to start until you move. 669 00:34:32,396 --> 00:34:34,023 Rockers, get ready. 670 00:34:35,633 --> 00:34:37,601 ( music playing ) 671 00:34:41,806 --> 00:34:44,673 Frosty Freeze: Up-rock is just like humiliating. 672 00:34:44,742 --> 00:34:47,472 Doing things in peoples' faces and all that. 673 00:34:55,786 --> 00:34:57,720 And down-rocking, as you know, 674 00:34:57,788 --> 00:35:01,189 is trying to see who can compete against whose moves on the floor. 675 00:35:01,259 --> 00:35:03,420 MC rapping: * I was lookin' out on the 33rd floor * 676 00:35:03,494 --> 00:35:05,428 * All of the sudden, there was a knock on my door * 677 00:35:05,496 --> 00:35:07,020 * It was "Son of Sam" with a .44 * 678 00:35:07,098 --> 00:35:09,157 * He blew a hole straight through my door * 679 00:35:09,233 --> 00:35:11,201 * So I went to the back to get the gun * 680 00:35:11,269 --> 00:35:13,134 * I was out two bullets, had only one * 681 00:35:13,204 --> 00:35:15,263 * I shoot the shit, I shot him in his eye * 682 00:35:15,339 --> 00:35:17,466 * Never saw a white man jump so high. * 683 00:35:17,542 --> 00:35:20,841 MC: So who won the rocking contest? 684 00:35:20,912 --> 00:35:23,278 ( crowd chants ) Rock Steady! Rock Steady! 685 00:35:23,347 --> 00:35:24,871 You all know who took them out right? 686 00:35:24,949 --> 00:35:27,042 Put it this way, we're out of sight and they bite. 687 00:35:27,118 --> 00:35:30,281 They bit my turtle into a hop-- 688 00:35:30,354 --> 00:35:34,347 Oh, man. I could've cried when I seen that. 689 00:35:34,425 --> 00:35:36,825 You know, that faggot that was flying around there 690 00:35:36,894 --> 00:35:38,725 with his funny legs and shit? 691 00:35:38,796 --> 00:35:41,162 - He's in gymnastics. - So what? So what? 692 00:35:41,232 --> 00:35:44,326 That's not even breaking. That's all fairy flying. 693 00:35:44,402 --> 00:35:46,529 I call that fairy flying. 694 00:35:46,604 --> 00:35:48,595 MC: Who goes for Rock Steady? 695 00:35:48,673 --> 00:35:50,265 ( crowd cheering ) 696 00:35:50,341 --> 00:35:52,275 The Dynamic Rockers? 697 00:35:52,343 --> 00:35:53,776 ( heightened cheering ) 698 00:35:53,844 --> 00:35:55,038 Hold it. Hold it down. 699 00:35:55,112 --> 00:35:57,979 It was a tie. It was a tie. 700 00:36:02,019 --> 00:36:05,785 * Ahh...yes...well * 701 00:36:05,856 --> 00:36:07,949 * Are we back for more? * 702 00:36:08,025 --> 00:36:09,492 * They're here * 703 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,994 - * D-L-B * - * Ha-ha-ha-ha * 704 00:36:12,063 --> 00:36:14,531 - * Tito! * - * Ha-ha-ha-ha * 705 00:36:14,599 --> 00:36:17,159 - * Mike Cee * - * Hey girll Hey girll * 706 00:36:17,235 --> 00:36:19,829 - * Pesol * - * D-L-BI * 707 00:36:19,904 --> 00:36:22,270 * Rockin' it, rockin' it yes, he is rockin' it * 708 00:36:22,340 --> 00:36:24,672 * Tito is rockin' it yes, he is rockin' it * 709 00:36:24,742 --> 00:36:27,074 * Mike Cee, yes, he is rockin' it * 710 00:36:27,144 --> 00:36:29,669 * Peso, rockin' it yes, he is rockin' it * 711 00:36:29,747 --> 00:36:32,181 * We're all rockin' it, you should be rockin' it * 712 00:36:32,250 --> 00:36:34,650 * Rockin' it, rockin' it. * 713 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,313 Woman: How do you fill up a train like that? 714 00:36:37,388 --> 00:36:38,821 You can't do it overnight. 715 00:36:38,889 --> 00:36:41,153 Do you wait for the same train 716 00:36:41,225 --> 00:36:42,988 coming back into the same station? 717 00:36:43,060 --> 00:36:45,494 No, you get the parked train, and you just--- 718 00:36:45,563 --> 00:36:48,896 - Oh, you mean you go to the subway yard. - Yeah. 719 00:36:48,966 --> 00:36:52,265 Does your mother wonder why you come home with that all over your face? 720 00:36:52,336 --> 00:36:54,201 No, she knows I write the graffiti. 721 00:36:54,272 --> 00:36:56,638 I told her, I say I'm going up on the trains. 722 00:36:56,707 --> 00:36:58,299 I'm gonna go write some graffiti. 723 00:36:58,376 --> 00:37:00,435 - Does she worry you might get caught? - Yeah. 724 00:37:00,511 --> 00:37:02,843 She says "If the cops call, don't come running to me." 725 00:37:02,913 --> 00:37:04,938 Um... 726 00:37:05,016 --> 00:37:08,452 I never realized it meant so much to them. 727 00:37:08,519 --> 00:37:10,453 I just thought they were writing... 728 00:37:10,521 --> 00:37:11,954 just writing anything. 729 00:37:12,023 --> 00:37:13,957 But I guess it has a deep meaning. 730 00:37:14,025 --> 00:37:16,493 - Huh? - What kind of deep meaning? 731 00:37:17,695 --> 00:37:19,560 Well, like he said... 732 00:37:19,630 --> 00:37:21,495 he's writing his girlfriends' name. 733 00:37:22,867 --> 00:37:25,529 He's Dust, whatever that means. 734 00:37:25,603 --> 00:37:27,468 What is Dust supposed to mean? 735 00:37:27,538 --> 00:37:29,563 It's just a name. It's a word, you know. 736 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,301 See, it's a game. 737 00:37:31,375 --> 00:37:33,138 They give you a name, and they say, 738 00:37:33,210 --> 00:37:35,474 "Here, take this name and do something with it." 739 00:37:35,546 --> 00:37:36,979 Like, he got the name Seen. 740 00:37:37,048 --> 00:37:39,141 He can walk around, just say, "My name is Seen," 741 00:37:39,216 --> 00:37:41,650 and say, "Yeah, I seen that there. I seen it there." 742 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,152 It's a name. It's just like... 743 00:37:43,220 --> 00:37:44,744 I'll give you a name and you say, 744 00:37:44,822 --> 00:37:47,052 "How big could you get this name up? How high?" 745 00:37:47,124 --> 00:37:53,324 ( train noise ) 746 00:37:53,564 --> 00:37:56,499 Trains are routinely washed, 747 00:37:56,567 --> 00:37:58,398 but because of the graffiti problem, 748 00:37:58,469 --> 00:38:01,438 we have to use a graffiti removal solution, 749 00:38:01,505 --> 00:38:03,496 which, at best, is detrimental 750 00:38:03,574 --> 00:38:07,203 to the physical make-up of the train itself. 751 00:38:07,278 --> 00:38:09,769 This is what I'm assigned. 752 00:38:09,847 --> 00:38:11,280 The car wash. 753 00:38:11,349 --> 00:38:13,783 8:00 a.m., Jamaica Yard. Hold your nose. 754 00:38:13,851 --> 00:38:15,944 Detective Jacobs: We spend a lot of money 755 00:38:16,020 --> 00:38:19,581 replacing broken and damaged side windows. 756 00:38:19,657 --> 00:38:21,352 We cannot use... 757 00:38:21,425 --> 00:38:24,758 acrylic plastic windows in the train, 758 00:38:24,829 --> 00:38:28,321 because the same graffiti removal solution 759 00:38:28,399 --> 00:38:29,957 fogs the windows. 760 00:38:30,034 --> 00:38:32,264 Richard Ravitch: The problem often is, 761 00:38:32,336 --> 00:38:35,100 that often it doesn't produce a sparkling clean car, 762 00:38:35,172 --> 00:38:38,835 but rather, a sort of vomitous color, 763 00:38:38,909 --> 00:38:42,640 which some of the graffiti artists argue 764 00:38:42,713 --> 00:38:46,308 is less attractive than what they consider to be their artwork. 765 00:38:46,384 --> 00:38:49,114 So, it's altogether sort of an unsatisfactory result. 766 00:38:49,186 --> 00:38:51,416 Motorman: Watch out. You might get wet now. 767 00:38:51,489 --> 00:38:53,582 Watch your shoes. 768 00:38:53,657 --> 00:38:56,751 It's not the best smelling stuff, 769 00:38:56,827 --> 00:38:58,761 but so far, it hasn't hurt me. 770 00:38:58,829 --> 00:39:00,763 You know, it hasn't bothered me. 771 00:39:00,831 --> 00:39:02,526 Some fellows, it bothers. 772 00:39:04,835 --> 00:39:06,928 ( motorman coughs ) 773 00:39:07,004 --> 00:39:10,098 That's my money that's being diverted 774 00:39:10,174 --> 00:39:12,199 from providing me with good, 775 00:39:12,276 --> 00:39:14,972 safe, secure, rapid transit. 776 00:39:15,045 --> 00:39:17,946 Look at this junk. Graffiti doesn't make your life better; 777 00:39:18,015 --> 00:39:20,006 it just makes your neighborhood look worse. 778 00:39:20,084 --> 00:39:22,143 You know how I made something out of my life? 779 00:39:22,219 --> 00:39:24,779 - By using my hands. - But only in the ring. 780 00:39:24,855 --> 00:39:27,380 Don't use them to mess up the walls with graffiti. 781 00:39:28,859 --> 00:39:31,259 I've practiced all my life to make moves like that. 782 00:39:31,328 --> 00:39:33,125 And I worked every day to be a singer. 783 00:39:33,197 --> 00:39:35,791 So, if you really want to make something out of your life, 784 00:39:35,866 --> 00:39:37,458 - Use your head. - Or your voice. 785 00:39:37,535 --> 00:39:40,197 But don't waste your time making a mess. 786 00:39:40,271 --> 00:39:44,469 Harold Levine: Make your mark in society, not on society. 787 00:39:44,542 --> 00:39:47,978 This happens to be a poster that is... 788 00:39:48,045 --> 00:39:49,979 the first in a series. 789 00:39:50,047 --> 00:39:54,108 It's going to be used in New York City's subways and buses, 790 00:39:54,185 --> 00:39:56,813 where we've used Hector Camacho who's a boxer, 791 00:39:56,887 --> 00:39:59,014 North American lightweight champ, 792 00:39:59,089 --> 00:40:01,819 and Alex Ramos, boxer, leading middleweight contender. 793 00:40:01,892 --> 00:40:03,484 "Take it from the champs, 794 00:40:03,561 --> 00:40:05,495 graffiti is for chumps. 795 00:40:05,563 --> 00:40:09,829 Make your mark in society, not on society." 796 00:40:09,900 --> 00:40:12,391 It's really very clever. 797 00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:14,404 "Put your mark on society, 798 00:40:14,472 --> 00:40:17,134 in doing something in society." 799 00:40:17,208 --> 00:40:19,005 I've screwed it up a little bit, 800 00:40:19,076 --> 00:40:20,873 but, nevertheless, you got the message. 801 00:40:20,945 --> 00:40:23,277 Reporter: Realistically, do you think it will work? 802 00:40:23,347 --> 00:40:26,180 You say realistically, I'm hopeful that it will work. 803 00:40:26,250 --> 00:40:30,016 Nobody thought that we would be as successful as we were 804 00:40:30,087 --> 00:40:33,523 in the campaign against the drought and water conservation; 805 00:40:33,591 --> 00:40:35,024 nevertheless, that worked. 806 00:40:35,092 --> 00:40:37,686 I'm hopeful we will have equal success here. 807 00:40:37,761 --> 00:40:39,524 Time will tell. 808 00:40:39,597 --> 00:40:42,862 Mr. Mayor, are those posters graffiti-proof? 809 00:40:42,933 --> 00:40:44,867 Time will tell. 810 00:40:44,935 --> 00:40:47,028 ( laughter ) 811 00:40:47,505 --> 00:40:49,769 What you doing, B? Fresh? 812 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,638 - It's fresh. - One of my little signature series. 813 00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:56,646 Word. Lord, you getting fresh on a nigger, man. 814 00:40:56,714 --> 00:40:58,978 That nigger's still got the touch, boy. 815 00:40:59,049 --> 00:41:01,984 Butchy-butch, with the tiger skinl 816 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,315 I see you did the "Kase" with a "C" this time. 817 00:41:05,389 --> 00:41:07,653 Yeah, he know who I am, though, anyway. 818 00:41:07,725 --> 00:41:11,161 The king of what? The king of style. 819 00:41:11,228 --> 00:41:13,992 Sure, I got styles already that's more complex 820 00:41:14,064 --> 00:41:15,998 that nobody know about. 821 00:41:16,066 --> 00:41:18,830 I mean, super-duty tough work. 822 00:41:18,903 --> 00:41:21,838 See, this is just semi-like, what I would call it. 823 00:41:21,906 --> 00:41:24,670 But, if I really get into it and start camouflaging it, 824 00:41:24,742 --> 00:41:26,869 I don't think you even be able to read it. 825 00:41:29,413 --> 00:41:32,007 * Don't go nowhere... * 826 00:41:32,082 --> 00:41:34,550 Throw a little semi thing here. 827 00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:39,018 It wasn't no severely bad accident, 828 00:41:39,089 --> 00:41:41,683 just that I got burnt by wires, that's all. 829 00:41:41,759 --> 00:41:44,353 A long time ago. Electrical wires. 830 00:41:44,428 --> 00:41:46,589 And then they rushed me to the hospital 831 00:41:46,664 --> 00:41:48,291 and they just had to amputate, 832 00:41:48,365 --> 00:41:50,993 'cause my tissues and muscles was burnt bad. 833 00:41:52,369 --> 00:41:54,963 And I was young, I was playing and I wasn't, 834 00:41:55,039 --> 00:41:58,008 you know, too sure-- I knew what I was doing, 835 00:41:58,075 --> 00:42:00,737 but I just didn't know should I grab the wire or not, 836 00:42:00,811 --> 00:42:02,540 I don't know if I grabbed it or not, 837 00:42:02,613 --> 00:42:04,808 but I know I just, you know, got hurt. 838 00:42:04,882 --> 00:42:07,350 'Cause it had knocked me out, so I didn't remember. 839 00:42:10,220 --> 00:42:13,314 But that don't mean nothing in general. 840 00:42:13,390 --> 00:42:15,483 I'm okay. 841 00:42:15,559 --> 00:42:18,790 It's just, that was a bad thing to happen at the time. 842 00:42:21,065 --> 00:42:23,329 But that's why people are amazed about me now, 843 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,665 'cause of going through that, and then dealing with what I'm dealing with, 844 00:42:26,737 --> 00:42:29,297 even though it's common littery bull-crap in a way. 845 00:42:29,373 --> 00:42:32,137 People look at a person, "What, you write on trains? 846 00:42:32,209 --> 00:42:34,143 Oh, you vandalism," and all that. 847 00:42:34,211 --> 00:42:35,838 Yeah, I vandalism. All right. 848 00:42:35,913 --> 00:42:38,040 But still, in general, I know what I'm doing. 849 00:42:38,115 --> 00:42:40,845 I did something to make your eyes open up, right? 850 00:42:40,918 --> 00:42:42,715 So why are you talking about it for? 851 00:42:45,489 --> 00:42:48,652 ( slow Latin funk music playing ) 852 00:43:10,547 --> 00:43:13,311 Cap: From here up... 853 00:43:13,384 --> 00:43:15,409 nobody goes but me. 854 00:43:15,486 --> 00:43:18,182 It's my lay-ups. Definitely. 855 00:43:20,391 --> 00:43:23,087 'Cause this is a beautiful spot to do pieces on. 856 00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,788 Ain't hardly no writers know about this place. 857 00:43:27,398 --> 00:43:28,831 My spot. 858 00:43:28,899 --> 00:43:30,992 Niggers know. Believe it. 859 00:43:31,068 --> 00:43:33,366 Niggers know. Heh-heh-heh. 860 00:43:34,738 --> 00:43:36,603 Yo. Here. Take the cans. 861 00:43:42,413 --> 00:43:44,347 I am not a graffiti artist. 862 00:43:44,415 --> 00:43:46,178 I'm a graffiti bomber. 863 00:43:46,250 --> 00:43:48,775 There's two styles of graffiti that are trying to, 864 00:43:48,852 --> 00:43:50,786 you know, co-exist with each other. 865 00:43:50,854 --> 00:43:52,822 But it ain't gonna work like that. 866 00:43:54,191 --> 00:43:57,627 Blood wars, buddy. Blood wars. 867 00:43:57,695 --> 00:43:59,629 Min: That's why graffiti's ruined. 868 00:43:59,697 --> 00:44:01,494 That Cap ruined the 2s and 5s. 869 00:44:01,565 --> 00:44:03,897 the 2s and 5s used to go to the 2 yard. 870 00:44:03,967 --> 00:44:06,629 It would be a masterpiece art gallery of burners 871 00:44:06,704 --> 00:44:08,968 from all these dudes from the Bronx and Brooklyn 872 00:44:09,039 --> 00:44:10,472 with def wild styles. 873 00:44:10,541 --> 00:44:12,907 Now you go to the 2 yard, it's all destroyed. 874 00:44:12,976 --> 00:44:15,308 This guy named Cap with his Lucille Ball hairdo 875 00:44:15,379 --> 00:44:16,641 is going over all your burners. 876 00:44:16,714 --> 00:44:18,841 Hey, what's up, Shy? 877 00:44:25,055 --> 00:44:28,149 I've seen your new pieces on the 2s and 5s. 878 00:44:28,225 --> 00:44:30,989 They went over that. 879 00:44:31,061 --> 00:44:32,995 - That Shy-Min. - Yeah, I know. 880 00:44:33,063 --> 00:44:34,997 - Cap. - Cap. 881 00:44:35,065 --> 00:44:38,330 I wouldn't have minded if he would've went over one of my old cars, 882 00:44:38,402 --> 00:44:40,666 but that was fresh. It was a brand new burner. 883 00:44:40,738 --> 00:44:42,501 It only ran for two days, you know? 884 00:44:42,573 --> 00:44:44,768 He didn't give it a chance to run on the line. 885 00:44:44,842 --> 00:44:47,276 Just like... powl 886 00:44:47,344 --> 00:44:49,278 They went over it, and now I feel... 887 00:44:49,346 --> 00:44:50,836 that hurt me, you know? 888 00:44:50,914 --> 00:44:53,280 and Seen was with him, and PJ, 889 00:44:53,350 --> 00:44:55,910 and then I called Seen up and he denied it. 890 00:44:55,986 --> 00:44:57,920 I can't afford to get involved. 891 00:44:57,988 --> 00:45:00,957 There's a war going on, as you should know... 892 00:45:01,024 --> 00:45:02,958 PJ and Cap-- 893 00:45:03,026 --> 00:45:04,960 against everybody. 894 00:45:05,028 --> 00:45:07,462 He just crossed me out anyway. 895 00:45:07,531 --> 00:45:08,964 I don't know why. 896 00:45:09,032 --> 00:45:10,829 Brand new car, too, he wasted. 897 00:45:10,901 --> 00:45:13,768 Let's say this, I stand behind them, 898 00:45:13,837 --> 00:45:17,295 if they had a good cause for the situation. 899 00:45:17,374 --> 00:45:20,309 as far as it is now... 900 00:45:20,377 --> 00:45:21,969 they have no cause behind it. 901 00:45:22,045 --> 00:45:23,910 They're just doing it for the hell of it... 902 00:45:23,981 --> 00:45:26,814 which that ain't me, because I wouldn't want people to go over my pieces, 903 00:45:26,884 --> 00:45:28,215 so I wouldn't go over them. 904 00:45:28,285 --> 00:45:29,980 Shy: He's disrespecting the line, 905 00:45:30,053 --> 00:45:32,317 which no other guy was doing that years ago. 906 00:45:32,389 --> 00:45:33,981 All he does is silver throw-ups. 907 00:45:34,057 --> 00:45:36,821 You got fresh colored pieces, full top-to-bottoms. 908 00:45:36,894 --> 00:45:39,362 And he'll just laugh at you. "It's just a throw-up. 909 00:45:39,429 --> 00:45:41,124 I've got a million of 'em running." 910 00:45:41,198 --> 00:45:44,167 He's a jealous toy, that's all, 'cause he can't do a burner. 911 00:45:44,234 --> 00:45:46,862 - He can't do shit. - He can't even do a straight letter. 912 00:45:48,038 --> 00:45:49,596 - He went over this? - Yeah. 913 00:45:49,673 --> 00:45:51,937 He did a Cap up over me and a MPC over this, 914 00:45:52,009 --> 00:45:53,772 and wrote war next to Fat Albert. 915 00:45:53,844 --> 00:45:55,038 Oh, shit. 916 00:45:55,112 --> 00:45:57,273 You can't never make up for that. 917 00:45:57,347 --> 00:45:59,577 That's never forgive action. 918 00:45:59,650 --> 00:46:01,447 If you're a toy, you gotta be stopped. 919 00:46:01,518 --> 00:46:02,951 This guy's a toy and he's big 920 00:46:03,020 --> 00:46:04,954 and he's still gotta be stopped. 921 00:46:05,022 --> 00:46:06,614 Gotta break his arms. 922 00:46:06,690 --> 00:46:08,453 But how come we waited all this long? 923 00:46:08,525 --> 00:46:10,686 How come there's so many writers that he went over 924 00:46:10,761 --> 00:46:12,956 and we're not in his neighborhood with crews? 925 00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:15,294 Because nobody wants to get united. 926 00:46:15,365 --> 00:46:17,458 We gotta get together, bro'. 927 00:46:17,534 --> 00:46:20,298 Everybody that says, "We're gonna get down," right? 928 00:46:20,370 --> 00:46:22,304 But nobody comes, man. 929 00:46:22,372 --> 00:46:24,306 What we gotta do is meet everybody 930 00:46:24,374 --> 00:46:27,309 on 149th Street at the Bench. At the Grand Concourse. 931 00:46:27,377 --> 00:46:30,471 We should forget our bullshit worries that we got with each other, 932 00:46:30,547 --> 00:46:33,072 unite and get this toy, 'cause he's dogging everybody... 933 00:46:33,150 --> 00:46:35,675 ( echoes ) ...everybody. 934 00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:39,018 Cap, I don't know, some big white boy. 935 00:46:41,225 --> 00:46:43,489 I don't know him, I don't want to know him. 936 00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,323 Yeah, that's why he's doing. 937 00:46:45,395 --> 00:46:47,260 He's trying to get attention and revenge, 938 00:46:47,331 --> 00:46:49,925 'cause people go over his throw-ups. People who do burners-- 939 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,093 you see a throw-up, you're going to go over it. 940 00:46:52,169 --> 00:46:54,933 Who thinks Cap's throw-ups are worth being on a train? 941 00:46:55,005 --> 00:46:57,269 ( together ) Nobody! 942 00:46:57,341 --> 00:47:00,208 - Pistol: What you write, bro'? - I write Mare, man. 943 00:47:00,277 --> 00:47:02,973 Pistol: Mear, M-E-A-R? 944 00:47:03,046 --> 00:47:04,775 M-A-R-E. 945 00:47:04,848 --> 00:47:06,782 - M-A-R-E, Mar? - Yeah. 946 00:47:06,850 --> 00:47:09,614 Mare. 947 00:47:09,686 --> 00:47:11,950 Mar is M-A-R. 948 00:47:12,022 --> 00:47:15,788 But no, seriously, you gotta kill them dudes for doing that. 949 00:47:15,859 --> 00:47:18,293 Who's Cap? Cap is right here? 950 00:47:18,362 --> 00:47:20,330 ( together ) No! 951 00:47:33,043 --> 00:47:35,637 Cap: People don't know what I look like until now. 952 00:47:35,712 --> 00:47:37,646 Till they start going to the movies. 953 00:47:37,714 --> 00:47:40,182 They're going to see my face. Big deal. 954 00:47:42,219 --> 00:47:45,154 Anybody tries to screw around with me and my friends, 955 00:47:45,222 --> 00:47:47,520 I go over everything they got forever. 956 00:47:47,591 --> 00:47:50,788 Everybody, from Brooklyn to Manhattan. Everybody. 957 00:47:54,331 --> 00:47:56,128 And that's the way it is. 958 00:47:57,501 --> 00:48:00,629 Especially with me. The object is more. 959 00:48:02,339 --> 00:48:04,967 Not the biggest and the beautifullest, but more. 960 00:48:06,176 --> 00:48:08,940 It's like a little piece on every car... 961 00:48:09,012 --> 00:48:10,604 is what counts. 962 00:48:10,681 --> 00:48:12,774 Not one whole car on every 963 00:48:12,849 --> 00:48:14,714 30 cars that goes by. 964 00:48:18,021 --> 00:48:20,717 Once you start going over someone, you can't stop. 965 00:48:20,791 --> 00:48:22,486 So, I'm gonna live. 966 00:48:24,027 --> 00:48:26,120 Dust started pulling some shit with me. 967 00:48:26,196 --> 00:48:27,356 I'm telling you, 968 00:48:27,431 --> 00:48:29,490 he's lucky we didn't catch him by that wall. 969 00:48:29,566 --> 00:48:32,160 If we would've been there, even if you was shooting the movie, 970 00:48:32,235 --> 00:48:33,964 it would've just been boom-boom-boom! 971 00:48:34,037 --> 00:48:35,868 And that's the way it would've went. 972 00:48:37,708 --> 00:48:40,404 It's gonna get crossed off, I guarantee, by tomorrow, 973 00:48:40,477 --> 00:48:42,308 once they find out it's here. 974 00:48:42,379 --> 00:48:44,347 Help me with the 3-D, Nicky. Come on. 975 00:48:46,149 --> 00:48:48,583 The piece has got a lot of colors to go in there yet. 976 00:48:48,652 --> 00:48:51,416 But with the color, we could do that with no problem. 977 00:48:51,488 --> 00:48:53,251 I could do it before it gets dark. 978 00:48:53,323 --> 00:48:55,621 No problem. Colors, colors, colors! 979 00:49:03,500 --> 00:49:05,866 Cap: That was a beautiful wall. 980 00:49:07,337 --> 00:49:09,134 I really liked that. 981 00:49:11,341 --> 00:49:13,775 People like that, they deserve getting 982 00:49:13,844 --> 00:49:15,778 everything they got crossed out... 983 00:49:15,846 --> 00:49:17,473 forever. 984 00:49:26,857 --> 00:49:28,449 Man: For the past 20 years, 985 00:49:28,525 --> 00:49:30,459 there really hasn't been anything hot. 986 00:49:30,527 --> 00:49:32,461 There have been no movements since Pop Art. 987 00:49:32,529 --> 00:49:34,360 Any retailer, and let's face it, 988 00:49:34,431 --> 00:49:36,296 a gallery is indeed a retailer, 989 00:49:36,366 --> 00:49:39,494 they're always looking for something hot that they can merchandise 990 00:49:39,569 --> 00:49:41,002 and sell to the public. 991 00:49:41,071 --> 00:49:43,505 It's almost as though 992 00:49:43,573 --> 00:49:47,475 these pieces were peeled off the train and put onto canvas, 993 00:49:47,544 --> 00:49:50,638 so you have the same energy, you have the same coloring, 994 00:49:50,714 --> 00:49:53,148 you have the same intensity and the same big piece 995 00:49:53,216 --> 00:49:55,275 that you would see on a train. 996 00:49:55,352 --> 00:49:59,311 The real subway graffiti that's done on the trains 997 00:49:59,389 --> 00:50:02,825 is slowly dying out, and this is taking its place. 998 00:50:02,893 --> 00:50:05,555 The lifespan of an average piece today 999 00:50:05,629 --> 00:50:07,324 only lasts a few months. 1000 00:50:07,397 --> 00:50:10,491 This is something that could last a lifetime. 1001 00:50:10,567 --> 00:50:14,503 Woman: "Blondie" seems to be an important figure within 1002 00:50:14,571 --> 00:50:17,165 the graffiti art style. 1003 00:50:17,240 --> 00:50:20,266 Caine has used her in a very photographic way. 1004 00:50:20,343 --> 00:50:23,335 Noc, shows her... 1005 00:50:23,413 --> 00:50:25,711 expressionistically. 1006 00:50:28,251 --> 00:50:30,845 I'm a colorist myself. I'm an artist. 1007 00:50:30,921 --> 00:50:33,515 And it's exciting. 1008 00:50:33,590 --> 00:50:36,684 The color is exciting, the movement is exciting. 1009 00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,456 It combines all kinds of movement. 1010 00:50:39,529 --> 00:50:41,690 Man: We had ABC-TV. 1011 00:50:41,765 --> 00:50:43,289 We had CBS here tonight. 1012 00:50:43,366 --> 00:50:46,301 We're going to be on the news tonight at 11:00. 1013 00:50:46,369 --> 00:50:48,428 National Public Radio. 1014 00:50:48,505 --> 00:50:49,699 Do it up, baby. 1015 00:50:49,773 --> 00:50:51,707 I love it. 1016 00:50:51,775 --> 00:50:54,801 I'm Ron Powers. I'm a reporter with the Associated Press. 1017 00:50:54,878 --> 00:50:58,143 - How long would it take you to do something like this? - On a train? 1018 00:50:58,215 --> 00:51:00,115 Depends on what your schedule is. 1019 00:51:00,183 --> 00:51:03,152 I can't let my mother know that I'm going to the trains, 1020 00:51:03,220 --> 00:51:04,687 so I have to be back early. 1021 00:51:04,754 --> 00:51:06,483 Woman: But I did meet a guy here 1022 00:51:06,556 --> 00:51:08,319 who's an art critic from the news, 1023 00:51:08,391 --> 00:51:10,256 and he says he gets so goddamn mad 1024 00:51:10,327 --> 00:51:11,658 every time he sees this, 1025 00:51:11,728 --> 00:51:13,662 that he walked up to one of the artist 1026 00:51:13,730 --> 00:51:14,992 at the show tonight and said, 1027 00:51:15,065 --> 00:51:17,329 "How would you feel if I took a can 1028 00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,163 and wrote on your graffiti?" 1029 00:51:19,236 --> 00:51:22,865 And the artist said to him, "I kill you, man." 1030 00:51:22,939 --> 00:51:24,668 As an investment, 1031 00:51:24,741 --> 00:51:26,675 I feel so strongly that 1032 00:51:26,743 --> 00:51:28,836 if you get in on the bottom of anything, 1033 00:51:28,912 --> 00:51:30,675 it's got to be a good investment. 1034 00:51:30,747 --> 00:51:32,305 This is definitely going someplace. 1035 00:51:32,382 --> 00:51:36,011 But I think that graffiti on the subway cars 1036 00:51:36,086 --> 00:51:39,021 were a symbol of New York 1037 00:51:39,089 --> 00:51:41,023 for foreign people, 1038 00:51:41,091 --> 00:51:43,184 especially French people. 1039 00:51:43,260 --> 00:51:45,694 And I think it's a little sad 1040 00:51:45,762 --> 00:51:47,957 if graffiti is going to be only 1041 00:51:48,031 --> 00:51:50,829 on canvas, and not anymore on trains. 1042 00:51:50,901 --> 00:51:52,129 Forget about the trains. 1043 00:51:52,202 --> 00:51:54,636 Who wants to be dirty and hot at the same time? 1044 00:51:54,704 --> 00:51:57,104 That's right. I'm into making money. 1045 00:51:57,174 --> 00:51:58,471 It feels good. 1046 00:51:58,542 --> 00:52:00,339 You go to school and the teacher says, 1047 00:52:00,410 --> 00:52:01,672 "It's not worth anything. 1048 00:52:01,745 --> 00:52:03,542 You don't make any money from graffiti." 1049 00:52:03,613 --> 00:52:05,410 And you tell them, "When was the last time 1050 00:52:05,482 --> 00:52:07,347 you made $2,000 in a month, huh?" 1051 00:52:08,552 --> 00:52:11,020 And you go, "Okay, now you failed." 1052 00:52:11,087 --> 00:52:13,317 All right, the thought has crossed my mind, 1053 00:52:13,390 --> 00:52:15,915 if something should happen, I'll go along with it, 1054 00:52:15,992 --> 00:52:18,324 but if it doesn't, it's no thing to me, 1055 00:52:18,395 --> 00:52:20,124 because that's not what I'm out here for. 1056 00:52:20,197 --> 00:52:22,529 I'm out here to bomb, period. That's what I started for. 1057 00:52:22,599 --> 00:52:24,123 I didn't start writing to go Paris. 1058 00:52:24,201 --> 00:52:25,998 I didn't start writing to do canvases. 1059 00:52:26,069 --> 00:52:28,503 I started writing to bomb. To destroy all lines. 1060 00:52:28,572 --> 00:52:31,507 - That's what I'm doing. - How long do you think you'll do it? 1061 00:52:31,575 --> 00:52:33,372 Till I'm finished. 1062 00:52:36,379 --> 00:52:39,314 Now that you've heard that, you understand what I'm saying to you 1063 00:52:39,382 --> 00:52:40,849 when I say I don't understand him. 1064 00:52:40,917 --> 00:52:43,181 He's out there to bomb, destroy all lines. 1065 00:52:43,253 --> 00:52:45,847 What have the lines ever done to him? 1066 00:52:45,922 --> 00:52:48,288 They made me pay 75�. 1067 00:52:48,358 --> 00:52:50,792 - When do you pay 75�? - Never but-- 1068 00:52:50,860 --> 00:52:53,090 I don't even know what you're talking about. 1069 00:52:53,597 --> 00:52:56,122 ( cheering, music playing ) 1070 00:53:01,204 --> 00:53:03,001 We're on the Staten Island Ferry. 1071 00:53:03,073 --> 00:53:04,973 This is the New York Harbor. 1072 00:53:05,041 --> 00:53:07,134 This is to signify we're leaving New York 1073 00:53:07,210 --> 00:53:09,440 with this package of artists 1074 00:53:09,512 --> 00:53:11,309 to go out and play at places 1075 00:53:11,381 --> 00:53:13,474 where, individually, they never would play. 1076 00:53:13,550 --> 00:53:16,644 It will be in Washington DC, Pittsburgh, Chicago, Madison, 1077 00:53:16,720 --> 00:53:20,156 Minneapolis, Iowa City, Detroit and Toronto. 1078 00:53:20,223 --> 00:53:22,020 Being professional, what does that mean? 1079 00:53:22,092 --> 00:53:24,026 Getting paid for what you do. Professional. 1080 00:53:24,094 --> 00:53:26,153 Frosty Freeze: Having your own style. 1081 00:53:26,229 --> 00:53:27,821 Kippy Dee: Doing your own moves. 1082 00:53:27,897 --> 00:53:29,990 Don't let nobody else bite your moves. 1083 00:53:30,066 --> 00:53:32,660 Doing it for a long time. Being the best. 1084 00:53:36,873 --> 00:53:38,670 - * Special-K * - * Sunshine * 1085 00:53:38,742 --> 00:53:40,334 * Kool Mo-Dee * 1086 00:53:40,410 --> 00:53:42,207 * All time feel the heartbeat * 1087 00:53:42,279 --> 00:53:44,679 * Feel the heartbeat we're the treacherous three * 1088 00:53:44,748 --> 00:53:46,807 * We got a new heartbeat * 1089 00:53:54,691 --> 00:53:57,159 * Get loose, get loose Mo-Dee get loose * 1090 00:53:57,227 --> 00:53:59,661 * Just one heartbeat show 'em you got juice * 1091 00:53:59,729 --> 00:54:01,458 - * Have fun * - * Have fun * 1092 00:54:01,531 --> 00:54:04,500 - * Have fun * - * Ha-ha-have fun * 1093 00:54:04,567 --> 00:54:06,467 * Party people got a brand new treat * 1094 00:54:06,536 --> 00:54:08,800 * Off the well known tune we call heartbeat * 1095 00:54:08,872 --> 00:54:10,965 * But we jazzed it up and we broke it down * 1096 00:54:11,041 --> 00:54:13,407 * And came out with a brand new funky sound * 1097 00:54:13,476 --> 00:54:15,876 * Now, I came here to get this straight * 1098 00:54:15,945 --> 00:54:18,209 * Our heartbeat's not on a normal break * 1099 00:54:18,281 --> 00:54:20,715 * 'Cause when we get excited our adrenaline flows * 1100 00:54:20,784 --> 00:54:22,979 * And this is the way our heartbeat goes * 1101 00:54:23,053 --> 00:54:25,419 * A hop-skip-and-a-jump but I play no bump * 1102 00:54:25,488 --> 00:54:27,422 * Bump-bump-bump-bump bumpety-bump * 1103 00:54:27,490 --> 00:54:29,822 * It's a brand new treat and it sounds so sweet * 1104 00:54:29,893 --> 00:54:31,952 * The rapping, the music our new heartbeat * 1105 00:54:32,028 --> 00:54:34,258 * So feel the heartbeat, so feel the heartbeat * 1106 00:54:34,331 --> 00:54:36,993 * We're the treacherous three, we got a new heartbeat * 1107 00:54:37,067 --> 00:54:38,227 * Hahl * 1108 00:54:38,301 --> 00:54:41,168 Consider us the professionals. 1109 00:54:45,742 --> 00:54:48,609 Woman: I think it's about time the politicians came down 1110 00:54:48,678 --> 00:54:51,442 and looked and saw what is on these trains. 1111 00:54:51,514 --> 00:54:53,175 It is just awful. 1112 00:54:53,249 --> 00:54:54,944 It shouldn't be that way. 1113 00:54:55,018 --> 00:54:57,612 It should be cleaned, and the ones that are caught, 1114 00:54:57,687 --> 00:55:00,918 they should clean it-- the ones they catch doing that. 1115 00:55:00,990 --> 00:55:02,924 What's the sense of paying 75� 1116 00:55:02,992 --> 00:55:05,722 when you have to ride graffiti trains, you know? 1117 00:55:05,795 --> 00:55:07,786 It gives a terrible impression of the city. 1118 00:55:07,864 --> 00:55:09,627 And if you think the outside is bad-- 1119 00:55:09,699 --> 00:55:11,826 I've been riding them, like I say, for 40 years-- 1120 00:55:11,901 --> 00:55:13,698 the inside is just unbelievable. 1121 00:55:13,770 --> 00:55:15,567 It's a violation of public property. 1122 00:55:15,638 --> 00:55:17,230 I think it's disgusting. 1123 00:55:17,307 --> 00:55:19,605 They should get somebody to clean up the place. 1124 00:55:19,676 --> 00:55:23,510 We move three and a half million people a day. 1125 00:55:24,881 --> 00:55:26,542 They have rights, too. 1126 00:55:26,616 --> 00:55:29,244 ( train screeching to stop ) 1127 00:55:29,319 --> 00:55:30,980 The people see the outside of the cars 1128 00:55:31,054 --> 00:55:33,955 when the trains are going-- pull into the station, 1129 00:55:34,023 --> 00:55:36,389 or when they're passing on the express track. 1130 00:55:36,459 --> 00:55:39,189 And then it's generally a blur. 1131 00:55:39,262 --> 00:55:41,662 But I don't think the public finds that nearly 1132 00:55:41,731 --> 00:55:44,165 as intrusive and ugly 1133 00:55:44,234 --> 00:55:46,168 as they do the inside graffiti. 1134 00:55:46,236 --> 00:55:48,932 - He hates the insides. - Yeah, he hates the insides. 1135 00:55:49,005 --> 00:55:51,371 He said if there's any possible way 1136 00:55:51,441 --> 00:55:53,272 of we giving him some kind 1137 00:55:53,343 --> 00:55:56,141 of suggestion of how to get rid of the inside, 1138 00:55:56,212 --> 00:55:59,443 he said there might be a chance of "negogiading" 1139 00:55:59,516 --> 00:56:01,450 with the outside. 1140 00:56:01,518 --> 00:56:04,112 - "Negogiading?" - Something like that. 1141 00:56:04,187 --> 00:56:07,679 I met with a group of them one day. 1142 00:56:07,757 --> 00:56:10,282 More out of intellectual curiosity 1143 00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,794 as to who they were and what made them tick. 1144 00:56:12,862 --> 00:56:15,126 I found them surprisingly articulate. 1145 00:56:15,198 --> 00:56:18,167 They expressed a strong sense 1146 00:56:20,203 --> 00:56:22,137 that if their outside paintings 1147 00:56:22,205 --> 00:56:25,299 were left untouched, 1148 00:56:25,375 --> 00:56:28,674 that the public would be impressed. 1149 00:56:28,745 --> 00:56:31,145 We came up to him with a proposal to paint 1150 00:56:31,214 --> 00:56:33,307 10 cars inside and out 1151 00:56:33,383 --> 00:56:35,817 and let it run in the major stations. 1152 00:56:35,885 --> 00:56:38,752 And let people vote on it, let's say a two-week period, 1153 00:56:38,822 --> 00:56:40,483 and after the two-week period, 1154 00:56:40,557 --> 00:56:43,151 they'll have the results in the paper, 1155 00:56:43,226 --> 00:56:46,684 and I think the MTA will be embarrassed. 1156 00:56:46,763 --> 00:56:49,095 I thought there was no basis whatsoever 1157 00:56:49,165 --> 00:56:51,099 in which it was proper 1158 00:56:51,167 --> 00:56:55,103 for anyone to touch our property 1159 00:56:55,171 --> 00:56:57,230 in an unauthorized fashion. 1160 00:56:57,307 --> 00:57:00,606 They got guys out there that are mugging people in the subways, 1161 00:57:00,677 --> 00:57:04,113 stabbing people, throwing people onto the tracks and all that, 1162 00:57:04,180 --> 00:57:08,014 and they're wasting their bullshit money trying to get us. 1163 00:57:08,084 --> 00:57:10,609 With all respect, I think you are close 1164 00:57:10,687 --> 00:57:12,621 to falling into the trap 1165 00:57:12,689 --> 00:57:14,953 of the 1960s culture, 1166 00:57:15,024 --> 00:57:17,959 which says this society has left 1167 00:57:18,027 --> 00:57:21,121 these kids with not enough to do. 1168 00:57:21,197 --> 00:57:23,791 If the kids have energy and want to do something, 1169 00:57:23,867 --> 00:57:26,131 we'll give them all brooms, 1170 00:57:26,202 --> 00:57:28,136 we'll give them all sponges, 1171 00:57:28,204 --> 00:57:31,139 and they can do something that is publicly productive, 1172 00:57:31,207 --> 00:57:34,301 useful and that would earn for them the respect 1173 00:57:34,377 --> 00:57:37,312 and approbation of their fellow citizens. 1174 00:57:37,380 --> 00:57:40,144 It isn't the energy that is misplaced, 1175 00:57:40,216 --> 00:57:42,548 it's the value system that is misplaced. 1176 00:57:44,254 --> 00:57:46,085 ( Wagnerian orchestral music plays ) 1177 00:58:36,039 --> 00:58:37,973 I think it's great for the riding public 1178 00:58:38,041 --> 00:58:41,374 to be up on the station, one cold and dreary day 1179 00:58:41,444 --> 00:58:43,969 and see a nice white, 1180 00:58:44,047 --> 00:58:46,572 shiny car come pulling up to the station. 1181 00:58:46,649 --> 00:58:48,742 The public has knocked us for so long, 1182 00:58:48,818 --> 00:58:51,082 that we are doing nothing. It couldn't be done. 1183 00:58:51,154 --> 00:58:52,587 We proved that we done it. 1184 00:58:52,655 --> 00:58:56,091 We painted 409 cars in approximately eight weeks. 1185 00:58:56,159 --> 00:58:58,252 24 hours a day, seven days a week 1186 00:58:58,328 --> 00:59:01,024 and not one day did we miss that production schedule. 1187 00:59:01,097 --> 00:59:02,758 Our personal pride was hurt. 1188 00:59:02,832 --> 00:59:05,801 A lot of people been knocking the transit authority, 1189 00:59:05,868 --> 00:59:08,530 and we wanted to show them that we could do something. 1190 00:59:08,605 --> 00:59:10,835 If the Japanese can do it, we can do it. 1191 00:59:17,013 --> 00:59:19,106 Man: The stuff is like razor blades-- 1192 00:59:19,182 --> 00:59:22,447 about two inches long and there's one of these every two inches. 1193 00:59:22,518 --> 00:59:24,611 There's really not too much protective clothing 1194 00:59:24,687 --> 00:59:27,281 you can wear to prevent yourself from getting cut. 1195 00:59:27,357 --> 00:59:29,291 And once you do fall into it, 1196 00:59:29,359 --> 00:59:31,793 it's so structured that it collapses upon you 1197 00:59:31,861 --> 00:59:34,489 and the more you try to move, the worse off you become. 1198 00:59:34,564 --> 00:59:37,294 It's like in the movies, like in "Apocalypse Now," 1199 00:59:37,367 --> 00:59:39,961 they used it to protect their lines and their barricades. 1200 00:59:40,036 --> 00:59:43,005 They want to hold back the enemy from destroying our trains. 1201 00:59:57,387 --> 00:59:59,446 Mayor Koch: About three years ago, 1202 00:59:59,522 --> 01:00:01,820 I decided to suggest 1203 01:00:01,891 --> 01:00:03,654 to Dick Ravitch 1204 01:00:03,726 --> 01:00:06,490 that they put a dog 1205 01:00:06,562 --> 01:00:08,325 in the yard to keep 1206 01:00:08,398 --> 01:00:10,161 the graffiti vandals out. 1207 01:00:10,233 --> 01:00:12,667 The MTA rejected it 1208 01:00:12,735 --> 01:00:14,498 and they said, 1209 01:00:14,570 --> 01:00:16,663 no, that if you put a dog in the yard, 1210 01:00:16,739 --> 01:00:18,832 the dog would step on the third rail. 1211 01:00:18,908 --> 01:00:21,502 Now, I don't happen to think that dogs step on the third rail, 1212 01:00:21,577 --> 01:00:23,670 but I said in response to that, 1213 01:00:23,746 --> 01:00:26,180 "If you think the dog will step on the third rail, 1214 01:00:26,249 --> 01:00:29,184 then build two fences and have the dog run between 1215 01:00:29,252 --> 01:00:31,846 the two fences and that will keep people out 1216 01:00:31,921 --> 01:00:34,856 and protect the dog from stepping on the third rail. " 1217 01:00:34,924 --> 01:00:37,722 And the response was, "Maybe somebody will climb 1218 01:00:37,794 --> 01:00:40,854 over the fence and the dog will bite them." 1219 01:00:40,930 --> 01:00:43,592 I said, "I thought that was what the dog was for." 1220 01:00:43,666 --> 01:00:47,966 But if you're afraid of having the dog bite such a vandal, 1221 01:00:48,037 --> 01:00:51,973 and here I called upon my prodigious memory, I said, 1222 01:00:52,041 --> 01:00:54,942 "What you should do then, instead of using a dog, 1223 01:00:55,011 --> 01:00:57,138 is to use a wolf, and have a wolf 1224 01:00:57,213 --> 01:00:58,976 run between the two fences. 1225 01:00:59,048 --> 01:01:02,484 Because there is no recorded case in history 1226 01:01:02,552 --> 01:01:06,989 where a wolf has ever attacked 1227 01:01:07,056 --> 01:01:11,322 a human being unless the wolf were rabid-- mad." 1228 01:01:11,394 --> 01:01:13,328 As a result of telling that story 1229 01:01:13,396 --> 01:01:15,330 innumerable times, 1230 01:01:15,398 --> 01:01:18,492 I embarrassed the MTA into building the fence 1231 01:01:18,568 --> 01:01:22,163 around the first of 19 yards. 1232 01:01:22,238 --> 01:01:24,172 And it was so successful 1233 01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,333 they now claim it as their own idea 1234 01:01:26,409 --> 01:01:28,843 and they're building 18 more fences. 1235 01:01:28,911 --> 01:01:32,870 ( Wagnerian orchestral music plays ) 1236 01:01:54,036 --> 01:01:55,936 Iz: I think it's stupid. 1237 01:01:56,005 --> 01:01:58,303 The idea of having all this barbed wire 1238 01:01:58,374 --> 01:02:00,467 and fences and protection. 1239 01:02:00,543 --> 01:02:02,875 Trains are still going to get written on. 1240 01:02:02,945 --> 01:02:05,379 They invented the white elephant. 1241 01:02:05,448 --> 01:02:07,382 It's still got-- 1242 01:02:07,450 --> 01:02:09,145 well, they weren't bombed, 1243 01:02:09,218 --> 01:02:11,982 but they had little mosquito bites. call it what you want. 1244 01:02:12,054 --> 01:02:13,646 They were still written on. 1245 01:02:13,723 --> 01:02:15,657 They're still not spotless, completely. 1246 01:02:17,059 --> 01:02:19,857 "Dump Koch." Well, there you go. 1247 01:02:19,929 --> 01:02:23,660 That is the highest praise imaginable because, 1248 01:02:23,733 --> 01:02:25,701 obviously, I'm getting to them. 1249 01:02:36,412 --> 01:02:39,347 There always will be graffiti. It's a part of New York. 1250 01:02:39,415 --> 01:02:41,007 It'll be there forever. 1251 01:02:41,083 --> 01:02:43,517 Someone will always want to jump down on the track, 1252 01:02:43,586 --> 01:02:45,850 or while the train's moving and just take out 1253 01:02:45,922 --> 01:02:48,618 a can of paint or a marker and put up their initial. 1254 01:02:48,691 --> 01:02:50,955 He still shows me all his things, 1255 01:02:51,027 --> 01:02:52,927 which I don't even want to see. 1256 01:02:55,865 --> 01:02:57,833 But we still talk. 1257 01:02:57,900 --> 01:03:00,130 He tells me just about everything that goes on. 1258 01:03:00,203 --> 01:03:03,138 Other than that, I wouldn't really be able to tell you so much. 1259 01:03:03,206 --> 01:03:05,800 And, sometimes-- knowing all this, 1260 01:03:05,875 --> 01:03:09,003 it just really only makes me that much more fearful for him. 1261 01:03:09,078 --> 01:03:11,137 I felt that I just had to let her know, 1262 01:03:11,214 --> 01:03:13,648 'cause sometimes when it's time to go bombing, 1263 01:03:13,716 --> 01:03:15,809 you got to go late-- in the middle of the night. 1264 01:03:15,885 --> 01:03:17,978 You've got to leave the house at 2:00 1265 01:03:18,054 --> 01:03:20,181 just to go bombing so you don't get caught. 1266 01:03:22,058 --> 01:03:24,288 You know, she got to know where I'm going, 1267 01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:26,089 can't just say I'm going to a party. 1268 01:03:26,162 --> 01:03:28,153 No party's going to start at 2:00. 1269 01:03:28,231 --> 01:03:30,825 Not every kid would tell his mother where he's going. 1270 01:03:30,900 --> 01:03:34,836 Yeah, well, I'd rather let my mother know what's going on, 1271 01:03:34,904 --> 01:03:36,667 you know, than keep her in the dark. 1272 01:03:36,739 --> 01:03:38,468 If I get busted, cops call, 1273 01:03:38,541 --> 01:03:41,510 "Excuse me, we have your son for graffiti." 1274 01:03:41,577 --> 01:03:44,171 And I'd rather let her know that I was doing it 1275 01:03:44,247 --> 01:03:46,374 so she's prepared to come and get me out. 1276 01:03:48,684 --> 01:03:50,447 But, I'm never getting busted, 1277 01:03:50,519 --> 01:03:52,316 so we don't have to worry about that. 1278 01:04:01,530 --> 01:04:03,464 Dondi: I mean, an adult, 1279 01:04:03,532 --> 01:04:05,966 I just couldn't see an adult ever 1280 01:04:06,035 --> 01:04:08,469 putting that much energy into something that 1281 01:04:08,537 --> 01:04:11,301 isn't going to pay, or is going to risk their life 1282 01:04:11,374 --> 01:04:14,901 or have the possibility of them getting arrested. 1283 01:04:14,977 --> 01:04:17,810 I see myself eventually growing out of graf 1284 01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:20,041 and getting married 1285 01:04:20,116 --> 01:04:22,050 and living the lifestyle, you know, 1286 01:04:22,118 --> 01:04:24,313 and making good money, like that. 1287 01:04:24,387 --> 01:04:26,651 And when life is at its best, 1288 01:04:26,722 --> 01:04:29,486 you don't really want to run around in the trains. 1289 01:04:29,558 --> 01:04:31,492 I'm sure I'll come back every now and then, 1290 01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:33,425 just to let people know I'm still around. 1291 01:04:33,496 --> 01:04:35,623 Oh, no. When I come back, I take over. 1292 01:04:35,698 --> 01:04:37,598 And that's it. After that. 1293 01:04:37,667 --> 01:04:40,659 - And after that-- - You want the prince of the 6s? 1294 01:04:40,736 --> 01:04:43,500 I'm king right here. I'm the prince of the 6s. 1295 01:04:43,572 --> 01:04:46,507 He's later. You know, he's one of the has-beens-- 1296 01:04:46,575 --> 01:04:49,601 I'm what they call a has-been, and he's a wannabe. 1297 01:04:49,679 --> 01:04:51,977 A wannabe? 1298 01:04:52,048 --> 01:04:54,608 - So they consider you a king? - Put it this way: 1299 01:04:54,684 --> 01:04:56,618 I am a king. I could say-- 1300 01:04:56,686 --> 01:04:58,119 King of what? 1301 01:04:58,187 --> 01:05:00,621 I want to tell you, I am the king of bombing. 1302 01:05:00,690 --> 01:05:03,090 You got to be able to take over a line with insides, 1303 01:05:03,159 --> 01:05:05,286 take it over with throw-ups, top-to-bottoms, 1304 01:05:05,361 --> 01:05:06,794 you got to do everything. 1305 01:05:06,862 --> 01:05:08,796 If you specialize in one thing, 1306 01:05:08,864 --> 01:05:11,458 you really can't call yourself an all-out king. 1307 01:05:11,534 --> 01:05:13,798 Who's king? You're looking at him, right here. 1308 01:05:13,869 --> 01:05:15,632 The original. Know what I'm saying? 1309 01:05:15,705 --> 01:05:17,468 Kingdom Islam; Nation god, 1310 01:05:17,540 --> 01:05:19,474 for I'm the one that rocks so far. 1311 01:05:19,542 --> 01:05:22,807 Always rocking the jazziest car, know what I'm saying? 1312 01:05:22,878 --> 01:05:25,312 The only and the original Magnetic King, 1313 01:05:25,381 --> 01:05:28,282 and that's the one that's still sitting here doing his thing. 1314 01:05:30,886 --> 01:05:32,979 You know it. We all alive. 1315 01:05:33,055 --> 01:05:35,148 This is the original old master killer 1316 01:05:35,224 --> 01:05:36,782 of the "Manila Thrilla," right here 1317 01:05:36,859 --> 01:05:39,419 that you're looking at. The original king and love to do his thing. 1318 01:05:39,495 --> 01:05:42,020 Don't shout, don't run, don't hide, don't sky. 1319 01:05:42,098 --> 01:05:44,498 This is me coming to you natural and live. 1320 01:05:44,567 --> 01:05:46,501 On CB...whatever. 1321 01:05:46,569 --> 01:05:48,469 Ha, Ha! CB without the mike. 1322 01:05:53,342 --> 01:05:55,469 * Get funky in the place * 1323 01:05:58,681 --> 01:06:00,649 * Get funky in the place * 1324 01:06:05,250 --> 01:06:08,344 * Like a little jelly bean, I'm a sweet like a candy cane * 1325 01:06:08,420 --> 01:06:11,514 * I make you get down, just a number one stain on the train * 1326 01:06:11,590 --> 01:06:13,683 * Just groovin' like a sage y'all * 1327 01:06:13,759 --> 01:06:15,852 * Just breakin' up, yeah, yeah, stage all * 1328 01:06:15,928 --> 01:06:18,419 * Like a rollercoaster ride that can make ya bump * 1329 01:06:18,497 --> 01:06:21,295 * Just groovin' with the rhythm as you shake your rump * 1330 01:06:21,366 --> 01:06:23,857 * You got the rock rock you don't stop * 1331 01:06:23,936 --> 01:06:26,530 * Yo baby, yo, ya got it rockin'you don't stop * 1332 01:06:26,605 --> 01:06:29,301 * Just hip-hop the day down doobie doo * 1333 01:06:29,374 --> 01:06:31,934 * Yeah, scoobie do, what you gonna do, crew? * 1334 01:06:32,010 --> 01:06:34,672 * Just freak out, yeah, baby * 1335 01:06:34,746 --> 01:06:37,237 * Just freak up, yeah, baby * 1336 01:06:37,316 --> 01:06:39,807 * Drink it up, dear I know, my dear * 1337 01:06:39,885 --> 01:06:42,581 * I can rock you out this atmosphere * 1338 01:06:42,654 --> 01:06:45,088 * Like gangster prankster, number one banker * 1339 01:06:45,157 --> 01:06:47,921 * Got the much cash to make you thank you * 1340 01:06:47,993 --> 01:06:50,188 * Rock on into the break of dawn * 1341 01:06:50,262 --> 01:06:53,231 * Break of dawn, keep it on, keep it on * 1342 01:06:53,298 --> 01:06:55,892 * I know ZZ that can rock quick * 1343 01:06:55,968 --> 01:06:58,459 * Like the iconoclast panzerhythm to the stick * 1344 01:06:58,537 --> 01:07:01,165 * Just 'a rock on like a finger lick * 1345 01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:03,572 * Finger poppin', hop poppin' that don't stop * 1346 01:07:03,642 --> 01:07:06,110 * Bunny rock, bunny rock, you don't stop * 1347 01:07:06,178 --> 01:07:09,147 * This is the mellow they call the Ramel * 1348 01:07:09,214 --> 01:07:11,682 * That rocks with rhythm that'd shock your spell * 1349 01:07:11,750 --> 01:07:14,446 * When the shake up kid that wakes you up in the morning * 1350 01:07:14,519 --> 01:07:17,249 * Gotta wake with the rhythm like a number one wrote it * 1351 01:07:17,322 --> 01:07:19,688 * M.C. quick just to make your fingerbutter * 1352 01:07:19,758 --> 01:07:21,191 * Shock with the rhythm * 1353 01:07:21,260 --> 01:07:23,091 * I'm the number one undercover * 1354 01:07:23,161 --> 01:07:25,891 * Break it up, just shake it up ro-di-o-ah. * 107102

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