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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,020 --> 00:00:07,620 This programme contains some strong language. 2 00:00:07,620 --> 00:00:09,700 Stand by, two. Mix... Cue on two. 3 00:00:09,700 --> 00:00:12,500 The BBC has announced the appointment 4 00:00:12,500 --> 00:00:14,860 of ex-Head of Olympic Deliverance, Ian Fletcher, 5 00:00:14,860 --> 00:00:16,140 as its new Head of Values. 6 00:00:21,940 --> 00:00:24,380 Time now for the shipping forecast. 7 00:00:26,580 --> 00:00:27,740 Superimpose. 8 00:00:37,300 --> 00:00:38,620 It's Monday morning 9 00:00:38,620 --> 00:00:41,980 and a new week at the BBC's New Broadcasting House headquarters 10 00:00:41,980 --> 00:00:43,620 somewhere in central London, 11 00:00:43,620 --> 00:00:47,100 as Head of Values Ian Fletcher arrives in order to begin it. 12 00:00:54,380 --> 00:00:57,620 - Morning. - Morning. Morning, Will. 13 00:00:57,620 --> 00:00:59,340 Yeah, cool. 14 00:00:59,340 --> 00:01:02,340 So far, at least on the basis of all the available evidence, 15 00:01:02,340 --> 00:01:04,900 it looks as if everything is going like clockwork. 16 00:01:10,060 --> 00:01:12,660 First of all, thank you for making time in your diaries for this. 17 00:01:12,660 --> 00:01:14,500 - I know how busy things are at the moment. - Yep. 18 00:01:14,500 --> 00:01:15,940 Yes, they certainly are, Ian, yes. 19 00:01:15,940 --> 00:01:17,100 By nine o'clock, 20 00:01:17,100 --> 00:01:19,740 Ian is chairing a special meeting of the Way Ahead Group, 21 00:01:19,740 --> 00:01:22,740 in his role as someone whose job it is to steer the organisation 22 00:01:22,740 --> 00:01:25,700 confidently towards whatever it is that's going to happen next. 23 00:01:25,700 --> 00:01:26,860 But I called this meeting 24 00:01:26,860 --> 00:01:28,580 because I think we're at a critical moment 25 00:01:28,580 --> 00:01:30,260 in the life of this group, and, who knows, 26 00:01:30,260 --> 00:01:32,340 - maybe even in the life of the Corporation. - Hurrah. 27 00:01:32,340 --> 00:01:35,020 This is the year in which the BBC's Royal Charter 28 00:01:35,020 --> 00:01:36,060 is up for renewal. 29 00:01:36,060 --> 00:01:38,820 Of course, we know there are some tough choices coming our way. 30 00:01:38,820 --> 00:01:39,980 - Brilliant. - Yes, exactly. 31 00:01:39,980 --> 00:01:42,780 Which is what the More Of Less initiative is about, of course. 32 00:01:42,780 --> 00:01:44,140 - - Yep. - Yep. 33 00:01:44,140 --> 00:01:46,620 The fact is, this is about identifying what we do best 34 00:01:46,620 --> 00:01:49,060 and finding more ways of doing less of it better. 35 00:01:50,660 --> 00:01:52,300 - Yes. - Brilliant. - Yeah, bollocks. 36 00:01:52,300 --> 00:01:55,500 The Charter renewal process gives the BBC an opportunity 37 00:01:55,500 --> 00:01:57,940 to question everything it does, and ask the question 38 00:01:57,940 --> 00:02:00,820 whether there's any point to any of it at all any more. 39 00:02:00,820 --> 00:02:02,620 And with all that in mind, my suggestion is 40 00:02:02,620 --> 00:02:04,980 that as from today, this becomes the Renewal Group, 41 00:02:04,980 --> 00:02:08,260 - rather than Way Ahead. - Right, OK. - Yes, good. - Hallelujah. 42 00:02:08,260 --> 00:02:10,300 - Well, no... - Renewal? - No, honestly. 43 00:02:10,300 --> 00:02:12,460 - Amen. - It just focuses the mind, that's all. 44 00:02:12,460 --> 00:02:13,780 I'm sorry, Ian, that is just... 45 00:02:13,780 --> 00:02:15,340 I mean, I feel like opening the window 46 00:02:15,340 --> 00:02:17,740 - and shouting down Regent Street. - Well, no, please don't. 47 00:02:17,740 --> 00:02:19,060 No, Christ's sake. 48 00:02:19,060 --> 00:02:21,780 Really, it's about resetting the dial for everyone in the building 49 00:02:21,780 --> 00:02:23,420 and shining a new light on that dial, 50 00:02:23,420 --> 00:02:26,060 or at least shining the old light but with a new bulb, 51 00:02:26,060 --> 00:02:28,300 so none of us can be in any doubt where the dial is 52 00:02:28,300 --> 00:02:31,140 or can have any excuse for not being able to read what it says. 53 00:02:31,140 --> 00:02:32,380 - Yeah. - Brilliant. 54 00:02:32,380 --> 00:02:33,860 - Blimey. - Have we got that? 55 00:02:33,860 --> 00:02:35,620 - Got that? - Yeah. - Yeah. - Joyous. 56 00:02:35,620 --> 00:02:37,580 Right, OK, so that's my big speech over. 57 00:02:37,580 --> 00:02:38,620 Shame. 58 00:02:40,300 --> 00:02:44,980 OK, everybody, so welcome to Fun. Exciting day, exciting times. 59 00:02:44,980 --> 00:02:47,620 Meanwhile, across town, in the world of what used to be 60 00:02:47,620 --> 00:02:51,220 Perfect Curve, momentous and very different events are unfolding. 61 00:02:51,220 --> 00:02:53,060 Today I introduce Siobhan Sharpe 62 00:02:53,060 --> 00:02:56,220 as our new joint CEO and partner in Fun. 63 00:02:56,220 --> 00:02:57,860 Yay! 64 00:02:57,860 --> 00:02:59,620 Perfect Curve has been bought 65 00:02:59,620 --> 00:03:02,700 by Dutch-owned multinational media giant Fun Media, 66 00:03:02,700 --> 00:03:05,540 and today chairman and founder Jens Smit 67 00:03:05,540 --> 00:03:07,300 has flown in to usher in the future. 68 00:03:07,300 --> 00:03:10,820 - So I know Siobhan has stuff she's going to say... - Yay! 69 00:03:10,820 --> 00:03:14,380 - ..but first I'm going to say a bit about Fun. - Yay! 70 00:03:14,380 --> 00:03:18,940 So the philosophy of Fun is that everybody in this building is happy. 71 00:03:18,940 --> 00:03:22,460 This is a happy building because a happy person is a creative person, 72 00:03:22,460 --> 00:03:24,820 and a creative person is a happy person, 73 00:03:24,820 --> 00:03:27,500 - so that's Fun. - We love fun. 74 00:03:27,500 --> 00:03:31,020 You are all fun people. You have good ideas, that's why you're here. 75 00:03:31,020 --> 00:03:34,220 When something good happens, we should recognise this, 76 00:03:34,220 --> 00:03:35,300 we should be happy. 77 00:03:35,300 --> 00:03:38,700 So what we do at Fun, George is ready at any time, 78 00:03:38,700 --> 00:03:40,220 that's why he is here. 79 00:03:41,460 --> 00:03:45,100 - Time out. A few minutes, a silent disco, and we dance - Cool. 80 00:03:45,100 --> 00:03:46,860 So a lot of people... 81 00:03:46,860 --> 00:03:48,740 # Gold! 82 00:03:48,740 --> 00:03:51,620 - # Always believe in your soul... # - Yeah. 83 00:03:51,620 --> 00:03:54,180 ♪ You're indestructible... ♪ 84 00:03:54,180 --> 00:03:55,980 ♪ Always believe in... ♪ 85 00:03:55,980 --> 00:03:57,700 - OK, so we save this, OK? - Excuse me? 86 00:03:57,700 --> 00:03:59,540 We maybe save this for later? 87 00:03:59,540 --> 00:04:02,380 OK, so we save this, guys, OK? Save it maybe for later. 88 00:04:02,380 --> 00:04:03,540 Thanks. 89 00:04:03,540 --> 00:04:06,980 - So a lot of people say there's more to life than fun. - Sure. 90 00:04:06,980 --> 00:04:09,540 - But here, we don't agree with that. - Nuh. No way. 91 00:04:09,540 --> 00:04:11,980 - You come in through the door of this building, OK? - Sure. 92 00:04:11,980 --> 00:04:14,500 - Fun is your life, and your life... - Sure. 93 00:04:14,500 --> 00:04:16,700 Your life is fun, yes? 94 00:04:16,700 --> 00:04:20,180 Sure. OK? So lots of fun here, guys, OK? 95 00:04:27,940 --> 00:04:30,900 ..a black pair of skinny jeans, know what I mean? 96 00:04:30,900 --> 00:04:32,300 Keep it simple. 97 00:04:32,300 --> 00:04:34,380 Back over at New Broadcasting House, 98 00:04:34,380 --> 00:04:35,780 the newly formed Renewal Group 99 00:04:35,780 --> 00:04:38,420 is already facing its first-ever live challenge. 100 00:04:38,420 --> 00:04:41,300 This one I like quite a lot. I like the cut on this. 101 00:04:41,300 --> 00:04:43,940 For me, what this says, it's understated. 102 00:04:43,940 --> 00:04:45,180 You know what I'm saying? 103 00:04:45,180 --> 00:04:46,900 A Channel 4 documentary 104 00:04:46,900 --> 00:04:49,940 about ex-Premier League footballer Ryan Chelford, 105 00:04:49,940 --> 00:04:51,900 in which he talks openly for the first time 106 00:04:51,900 --> 00:04:53,900 about his life as a keen cross-dresser, 107 00:04:53,900 --> 00:04:56,500 has thrown up some sensitive issues for the BBC. 108 00:04:56,500 --> 00:05:00,260 Now, this one, I've had some times in this, I have. 109 00:05:00,260 --> 00:05:03,740 If this was a car, right, for me, this would be a Ferrari. 110 00:05:03,740 --> 00:05:05,620 You put this on, something's going to happen, 111 00:05:05,620 --> 00:05:06,820 do you know what I'm saying? 112 00:05:06,820 --> 00:05:09,100 The documentary includes allegations 113 00:05:09,100 --> 00:05:11,180 that the BBC rejected Ryan as a pundit 114 00:05:11,180 --> 00:05:13,540 for its flagship football show Match Of The Day 115 00:05:13,540 --> 00:05:16,900 because they were already aware of his very-personal other life. 116 00:05:16,900 --> 00:05:19,700 I went for, like, this audition, right? I went to Manchester. 117 00:05:19,700 --> 00:05:22,340 Like, I saw Alan Shearer in the car park. I didn't speak to him. 118 00:05:22,340 --> 00:05:24,540 He was on his phone getting out of his Audi fucking 119 00:05:24,540 --> 00:05:25,780 you know what I'm saying? 120 00:05:25,780 --> 00:05:28,540 So I'm sat in the Match Of The Day studio and everything. There's me, 121 00:05:28,540 --> 00:05:31,300 and they had these guys, like, pretend Linekers and that, 122 00:05:31,300 --> 00:05:33,540 sitting in. And they play in this clip of, like, 123 00:05:33,540 --> 00:05:34,980 Stoke v Swansea or whatever. 124 00:05:34,980 --> 00:05:37,380 So, like, Peter Crouch is in the box and I'm like, 125 00:05:37,380 --> 00:05:39,620 "OK, he's pulled off his man at the back post. 126 00:05:39,620 --> 00:05:42,340 "It's a decent header off of a quality cross, I admit that, 127 00:05:42,340 --> 00:05:45,260 "but albeit the Swansea defence has totally switched off. 128 00:05:45,260 --> 00:05:47,540 "I'm sorry, but for me, the guy's, like, eight foot tall - 129 00:05:47,540 --> 00:05:50,220 "it's not rocket science, do you know what I'm saying?" 130 00:05:50,220 --> 00:05:51,860 Anyway, so I did that. 131 00:05:51,860 --> 00:05:54,260 Never heard from them again. Not a word. 132 00:05:54,260 --> 00:05:57,340 - Right, OK. - Right. - I think that will probably do for the moment. 133 00:05:57,340 --> 00:05:59,020 - Yes. - Brilliant. - Brilliant. - Brilliant. 134 00:05:59,020 --> 00:06:01,380 What I CAN say, guys, is that we are starting to take 135 00:06:01,380 --> 00:06:04,060 heavy incoming on this in the press office already. 136 00:06:04,060 --> 00:06:05,420 - Well, yes. - No. 137 00:06:05,420 --> 00:06:07,980 I mean, obviously the issues are potentially pretty serious. 138 00:06:07,980 --> 00:06:09,460 - Yes. - Yes, they are, Ian, yes. 139 00:06:09,460 --> 00:06:11,580 Yes, especially for inclusivity, of course, Lucy. 140 00:06:11,580 --> 00:06:13,260 - Well, yes. - Yes, exactly, yes. 141 00:06:13,260 --> 00:06:14,500 Honestly, no, bad luck. 142 00:06:14,500 --> 00:06:16,500 - So I spoke to Clive Cook this morning. - Right? 143 00:06:16,500 --> 00:06:18,100 - Yes, me too, Lucy. - Right. 144 00:06:18,100 --> 00:06:19,860 - Clive...? ALL: - Clive Cook. 145 00:06:19,860 --> 00:06:22,500 - Yes, Clive Cook. - BBC Head of Football. - Head of BBC Football. 146 00:06:22,500 --> 00:06:24,140 - Yes, no, brilliant. - Yes, exactly, yes. 147 00:06:24,140 --> 00:06:26,180 - Yes. - Yep. - So, anyway, I spoke to him this morning. 148 00:06:26,180 --> 00:06:27,340 - Right, and? - Well, he... 149 00:06:27,340 --> 00:06:29,100 He's not very pleased, is he, Lucy? 150 00:06:29,100 --> 00:06:30,540 - Not really, no. - No. 151 00:06:30,540 --> 00:06:33,380 His thing is, the reason they didn't go for Ryan Chelford on Match Of The Day, 152 00:06:33,380 --> 00:06:35,860 - they didn't know anything about his private life at the time. - Yes. 153 00:06:35,860 --> 00:06:37,900 - Truth is, he was just no good. - Right. - Yes, apparently 154 00:06:37,900 --> 00:06:39,460 - he was too dull. - Yes. 155 00:06:39,460 --> 00:06:41,380 Too dull for Match Of The Day? 156 00:06:41,380 --> 00:06:43,580 - I know, Neil. - Jesus. - I'm just telling you what he said. 157 00:06:43,580 --> 00:06:45,420 Well, but if that's the case, I mean... 158 00:06:45,420 --> 00:06:47,140 Well, obviously we'll need to be careful 159 00:06:47,140 --> 00:06:48,540 about exactly how we phrase it. 160 00:06:48,540 --> 00:06:49,660 Yeah, good luck with that. 161 00:06:49,660 --> 00:06:51,740 But at least on the allegations he's making there, 162 00:06:51,740 --> 00:06:54,140 - well, at least we've got a pretty clear answer to them. - Yes. 163 00:06:54,140 --> 00:06:55,820 - Brilliant. - So that's all good, isn't it? 164 00:06:55,820 --> 00:06:56,900 - Yes, exactly. - Hurrah. 165 00:06:56,900 --> 00:06:59,140 - Obviously I wish I could agree with you, Ian. - Right. 166 00:06:59,140 --> 00:07:01,620 But I'm sorry, it's not actually that simple, is it, Lucy? 167 00:07:01,620 --> 00:07:03,940 - Not really, no. - No, I had a feeling it might not be. 168 00:07:03,940 --> 00:07:05,060 - No. - Brilliant. 169 00:07:05,060 --> 00:07:07,340 OK, so this will be, like, a really cool new app. 170 00:07:07,340 --> 00:07:10,420 Like a BBC News Forecast app. 171 00:07:10,420 --> 00:07:11,700 A news forecast app? 172 00:07:11,700 --> 00:07:14,100 Meanwhile, back in the land of Fun, 173 00:07:14,100 --> 00:07:17,620 the old Perfect Curve BBC account team is having its first meeting 174 00:07:17,620 --> 00:07:19,740 with Fun CEO Jens Smit. 175 00:07:19,740 --> 00:07:21,420 So it'll be like the weather forecast, 176 00:07:21,420 --> 00:07:23,180 but with, like, news, but... 177 00:07:23,180 --> 00:07:25,620 - No, but... - OK, no, I get this. 178 00:07:25,620 --> 00:07:27,860 - But this would be in emojis. - Emojis. 179 00:07:27,860 --> 00:07:30,460 - Yeah. - Cool. - We LOVE emojis. So fun. 180 00:07:30,460 --> 00:07:31,540 They're fun. Yeah. 181 00:07:31,540 --> 00:07:34,700 The team has been joined by meta genius Michael Chung 182 00:07:34,700 --> 00:07:36,100 from Fun's New York office, 183 00:07:36,100 --> 00:07:39,700 and they've been invited to come up with ideas for a hello present 184 00:07:39,700 --> 00:07:43,260 from Fun Media to the BBC as one of their most important clients. 185 00:07:43,260 --> 00:07:47,140 Yeah, each day would be like, "Today - Italy, smiley face. 186 00:07:47,140 --> 00:07:48,660 "Syria, droopy mouth." 187 00:07:48,660 --> 00:07:50,180 OK. 188 00:07:50,180 --> 00:07:52,420 Maybe Russia would be like... angry face. 189 00:07:52,420 --> 00:07:54,780 - OK. What else? - Yeah, cool. - OK, Coco. 190 00:07:54,780 --> 00:07:57,580 - OK, sure? - Go. - OK, so in the end, what I came up with 191 00:07:57,580 --> 00:07:59,420 was BBC Bun Time. 192 00:07:59,420 --> 00:08:00,820 BBC Bun Time? 193 00:08:00,820 --> 00:08:03,660 - Cos they're losing Bake Off, right? - Bummer. 194 00:08:03,660 --> 00:08:05,020 Which was like a national thing. 195 00:08:05,020 --> 00:08:06,580 - We LOVE Mary Berry. - Yeah. 196 00:08:06,580 --> 00:08:09,020 - Yeah, Mary. - Yeah, like with her teeth. 197 00:08:09,020 --> 00:08:11,940 This could be, like, a new thing for her, where celebrities that create, 198 00:08:11,940 --> 00:08:13,820 like, their own version of a BBC bun... 199 00:08:13,820 --> 00:08:15,420 Holy shit. 200 00:08:15,420 --> 00:08:17,300 No, but then the winning bun... 201 00:08:17,300 --> 00:08:18,700 OK, what else? 202 00:08:20,820 --> 00:08:23,380 - OK, Karl. - Yeah. - What have you got? 203 00:08:23,380 --> 00:08:25,340 - OK, so this is pretty cool, OK? - Cool. 204 00:08:25,340 --> 00:08:28,140 - So, like, I went for, like, a walk. - OK, yes. 205 00:08:28,140 --> 00:08:29,300 It was pretty fun. 206 00:08:29,300 --> 00:08:32,500 I'm like, "Why don't we just give them, like, some money?" 207 00:08:32,500 --> 00:08:34,860 I don't know how much. 208 00:08:34,860 --> 00:08:36,060 We give them money? 209 00:08:36,060 --> 00:08:38,700 Yeah, it's pretty cool. Yeah. Everybody likes... 210 00:08:38,700 --> 00:08:40,740 - Michael. - Hey. - Any thoughts? 211 00:08:40,740 --> 00:08:42,780 Sure. How about we build them, like, a really cool 212 00:08:42,780 --> 00:08:45,100 new BBC online platform, kind of like a YouTube channel? 213 00:08:45,100 --> 00:08:46,620 Like it could be, like, BBC Me. 214 00:08:49,660 --> 00:08:52,660 - BBC Me? - So TV figures are falling right now. Like, I don't watch TV. 215 00:08:52,660 --> 00:08:55,020 Like, I don't even have a TV. Pretty soon no-one's going to be 216 00:08:55,020 --> 00:08:58,540 watching TV. Like, it's not even going to be a thing, so this could be a totally new voice. 217 00:08:58,540 --> 00:09:00,940 People can upload their own content onto the BBC brand. 218 00:09:00,940 --> 00:09:02,940 Cos the BBC is owned by the people, right? 219 00:09:02,940 --> 00:09:05,420 So this would be like giving them a part of it back to play with, 220 00:09:05,420 --> 00:09:06,980 which could be totally cool. 221 00:09:12,020 --> 00:09:13,060 George. 222 00:09:19,100 --> 00:09:22,460 Hit Me With Your Rhythm Stick by Ian Dury 223 00:09:32,380 --> 00:09:34,460 Obviously the danger is if he's actively excluded 224 00:09:34,460 --> 00:09:35,940 from appearing on Match Of The Day, 225 00:09:35,940 --> 00:09:38,020 - that could read as an example of prejudice. - Right. 226 00:09:38,020 --> 00:09:40,860 - Prejudice? - Yes. - Against what? - Well... - Against people who are crap? 227 00:09:40,860 --> 00:09:42,660 Meanwhile, back in Renewal, 228 00:09:42,660 --> 00:09:44,620 the Ryan Chelford discussion has moved on. 229 00:09:44,620 --> 00:09:46,860 Ultimately, the LGBT community itself. 230 00:09:46,860 --> 00:09:48,060 - Yes. - Right, OK. 231 00:09:48,060 --> 00:09:49,300 - Yes, exactly. - Great. 232 00:09:49,300 --> 00:09:51,860 - As I say, guys, we are looking at an issue here. - Yes. 233 00:09:51,860 --> 00:09:53,140 But, anyway, in the end... 234 00:09:53,140 --> 00:09:56,260 In the circumstances, the BBC's Head of Football, 235 00:09:56,260 --> 00:09:58,060 Clive Cook, has agreed to give him 236 00:09:58,060 --> 00:10:00,460 a one-off trial appearance as a pundit 237 00:10:00,460 --> 00:10:03,980 on a special midweek FA Cup third-round highlights edition 238 00:10:03,980 --> 00:10:06,340 of Match Of The Day, which very few people will watch. 239 00:10:06,340 --> 00:10:08,820 The idea being that once people see for themselves how bad 240 00:10:08,820 --> 00:10:11,460 he actually is, that could solve the whole problem in one go. 241 00:10:11,460 --> 00:10:12,540 - Right, yes. - Brilliant. 242 00:10:12,540 --> 00:10:14,660 Yeah, no, can't see anything going wrong with that. 243 00:10:14,660 --> 00:10:16,100 Yes, but what he did say to me, Lucy, 244 00:10:16,100 --> 00:10:17,820 obviously I don't know what he said to you, 245 00:10:17,820 --> 00:10:19,860 but I don't mind saying, I get on pretty well with Clive... 246 00:10:19,860 --> 00:10:22,020 - Right. - I don't take any nonsense from him. 247 00:10:22,020 --> 00:10:23,980 - Hurrah. - And I think he responds to that well. 248 00:10:23,980 --> 00:10:25,060 Yes, well, anyway... 249 00:10:25,060 --> 00:10:27,540 Yeah, so what he said to me, in the circumstances, 250 00:10:27,540 --> 00:10:30,540 he thought it would be good if some of the useless senior management 251 00:10:30,540 --> 00:10:32,820 down in London showed their faces on the night as well. 252 00:10:32,820 --> 00:10:33,860 - Right. - Really? 253 00:10:33,860 --> 00:10:36,500 I've got to say those were his words. That's the way Clive talks. 254 00:10:36,500 --> 00:10:39,100 With the Match Of The Day studios located in Salford, 255 00:10:39,100 --> 00:10:41,300 which is itself located somewhere near Manchester, 256 00:10:41,300 --> 00:10:43,780 the question now is, if any of the senior management from London 257 00:10:43,780 --> 00:10:46,780 are to be usefully present on the night, which of them should it be? 258 00:10:46,780 --> 00:10:49,580 I mean, Simon, I don't know if this is something you feel you want... 259 00:10:49,580 --> 00:10:51,940 - Yes, no, it's an interesting one, isn't it? - Yes. 260 00:10:51,940 --> 00:10:53,660 I mean, I don't know how these things work. 261 00:10:53,660 --> 00:10:56,220 Honestly, this is so far off my little patch of scrubby ground. 262 00:10:56,220 --> 00:10:57,460 - Right. - But, I mean, Lucy. - Yes. 263 00:10:57,460 --> 00:10:59,820 - Yes. - I mean, you're so on top of all this inclusivity stuff around this. 264 00:10:59,820 --> 00:11:01,300 - Well... - Yes, exactly. 265 00:11:01,300 --> 00:11:03,020 Cos, I mean, basically it's about making sure everyone feels 266 00:11:03,020 --> 00:11:05,420 - - listened to and loved. - I don't know about... - Loved? 267 00:11:05,420 --> 00:11:07,540 - Yes, exactly, yes. - Christ. - I mean, I don't mind. 268 00:11:07,540 --> 00:11:10,260 - I'll go up if anyone thinks it'll do any good, me being there. - Right. 269 00:11:10,260 --> 00:11:12,380 - Brilliant. - I have to say, it works for me, Lucy. 270 00:11:12,380 --> 00:11:14,340 - I may well be useless. - No. - Yes. 271 00:11:14,340 --> 00:11:16,820 - But I'm not sure I really qualify as senior management. - Well, that's... 272 00:11:16,820 --> 00:11:18,620 - Now pish. - Pash. 273 00:11:18,620 --> 00:11:20,860 No, I'm not being funny or anything, Lucy, but I agree. 274 00:11:20,860 --> 00:11:23,340 - Right. - I've got to say, I think someone should be up there with you. 275 00:11:23,340 --> 00:11:24,860 Right. 276 00:11:27,900 --> 00:11:29,580 I mean, I'd volunteer to go, obviously, 277 00:11:29,580 --> 00:11:31,540 but I've got my work cut out making Huw Edwards 278 00:11:31,540 --> 00:11:33,300 - feel loved down here already. - Right. 279 00:11:33,300 --> 00:11:34,940 - Yes, no, very good, Neil. - Yes, exactly. 280 00:11:34,940 --> 00:11:36,660 No, really, well done, you. 281 00:11:36,660 --> 00:11:38,860 I mean, what day is it we're talking about? 282 00:11:38,860 --> 00:11:40,980 - It's Tuesday. - Right. - Tuesday evening, yes. 283 00:11:40,980 --> 00:11:43,260 - Tuesday. Tuesday. - Brilliant. - I mean, I'm not sure 284 00:11:43,260 --> 00:11:45,660 whether this is my little patch of scrubby ground either. 285 00:11:45,660 --> 00:11:46,700 No. 286 00:11:46,700 --> 00:11:49,260 - But it's obviously important we get this right. - OK, alrighty. 287 00:11:49,260 --> 00:11:51,620 - Brilliant. - Ian and Lucy. - Well... - Hurrah. 288 00:11:51,620 --> 00:11:54,340 - All hail the Manchester Two. - Yeah, good luck. - Brilliant. 289 00:11:54,340 --> 00:11:56,580 Yes, and the fact is I think I should be there too. 290 00:11:56,580 --> 00:11:58,300 - What? - Right. - Well... - Really? 291 00:11:58,300 --> 00:11:59,780 Yes, exactly, yes. 292 00:11:59,780 --> 00:12:01,300 OK, now we're really rolling. 293 00:12:01,300 --> 00:12:03,020 I'm not being funny or anything, Anna, 294 00:12:03,020 --> 00:12:05,300 but we are talking about people feeling loved here. 295 00:12:05,300 --> 00:12:08,100 The fact is, this is an opportunity to put betterness front and centre 296 00:12:08,100 --> 00:12:09,260 when it actually matters. 297 00:12:09,260 --> 00:12:11,340 - Brilliant. - What, front and centre in Manchester? 298 00:12:11,340 --> 00:12:13,780 - Yes, exactly, yes. - Right, OK. - Hurrah. 299 00:12:13,780 --> 00:12:16,220 Well, so, Ian, Lucy and Anna. 300 00:12:16,220 --> 00:12:18,900 - All hail. - Long live the Salford Three. 301 00:12:18,900 --> 00:12:20,420 - Right. - Right. - Blimey. 302 00:12:20,420 --> 00:12:21,580 Yes, exactly, yes. 303 00:12:39,660 --> 00:12:41,500 - David. - Hi, Izzy, yes. 304 00:12:41,500 --> 00:12:43,940 Look at you, lovely Izzy in your lovely new coat. 305 00:12:43,940 --> 00:12:45,660 Meanwhile, it's a week later, 306 00:12:45,660 --> 00:12:47,500 and Development Executive Izzy Gould 307 00:12:47,500 --> 00:12:50,100 has found herself with an opportunity to have a moment 308 00:12:50,100 --> 00:12:53,220 with Commissioning Editor Primetime Factuality David Wilkes 309 00:12:53,220 --> 00:12:56,060 - on her way into work. - I was just going to e-mail you, actually. 310 00:12:56,060 --> 00:12:58,260 I've got a meeting with Matt Taverner this afternoon. 311 00:12:58,260 --> 00:13:00,020 - Right, have you? - Yes, I know, lovely Matt. 312 00:13:00,020 --> 00:13:02,820 I know some people don't warm to him with his glasses and everything, 313 00:13:02,820 --> 00:13:05,220 - but do you know what? - What is this about, David? - Yes, right. 314 00:13:05,220 --> 00:13:07,860 - I was chatting to him about On Your Bike the other day. - On Your Bike? 315 00:13:07,860 --> 00:13:10,340 - My God, he absolutely loves it, Izzy. - You talked about On Your Bike 316 00:13:10,340 --> 00:13:13,060 - to Matt Taverner? - Do you know what? He's mad about it. - Right. 317 00:13:13,060 --> 00:13:14,980 Honestly, when I stopped, he didn't say anything. 318 00:13:14,980 --> 00:13:17,900 - He sat there nodding his head to himself, like he does. - Right. - Yes. 319 00:13:17,900 --> 00:13:19,180 Sixth floor. 320 00:13:20,380 --> 00:13:22,180 - I mean, that's great, David. - I know. 321 00:13:22,180 --> 00:13:24,380 But, I mean, I'm not quite sure how to say this. 322 00:13:24,380 --> 00:13:26,940 Go on, Izzy, just say. Just say what you think. Say what's on your mind. 323 00:13:26,940 --> 00:13:29,380 - But, I mean, On Your Bike is not actually your idea. - No. 324 00:13:29,380 --> 00:13:31,420 It's not even my idea. It's Will Humphries'. 325 00:13:31,420 --> 00:13:33,020 - I know, yes. Lovely Will. - Yes, so... 326 00:13:33,020 --> 00:13:35,220 But do you know what? It's just such a great idea, Izzy. 327 00:13:35,220 --> 00:13:37,900 - Yes. - No, honestly, it is. - Well, yes. - It's like I said to Mark - 328 00:13:37,900 --> 00:13:40,540 - do you know what? Ideas like this don't come along very often. - No. 329 00:13:40,540 --> 00:13:42,900 Making sure you're part of making them happen when they do 330 00:13:42,900 --> 00:13:45,100 is what being Commissioning Editor Primetime Factuality 331 00:13:45,100 --> 00:13:46,620 - is actually about. - Yes. 332 00:13:54,500 --> 00:13:57,700 OK, so here's the thing with this. Here's what it is. 333 00:13:57,700 --> 00:14:00,380 No-one watches television any more... 334 00:14:00,380 --> 00:14:03,820 - Well... - No. - I mean, like, no-one. OK? Get over it. - Brilliant. - Exactly. 335 00:14:03,820 --> 00:14:06,220 - I think that's perhaps... - It's over. - ..a bit of an overstatement. 336 00:14:06,220 --> 00:14:09,900 - It's not an overstatement. It's an uber-statement, OK? - What? - Brilliant. 337 00:14:09,900 --> 00:14:12,620 Meanwhile, BBC Head of Brand Siobhan Sharpe has arrived 338 00:14:12,620 --> 00:14:16,220 to present the BBC with a hello present to end all hello presents 339 00:14:16,220 --> 00:14:18,060 from PR giant Fun Media - 340 00:14:18,060 --> 00:14:21,580 the idea of a completely new online platform, BBC Me. 341 00:14:21,580 --> 00:14:23,420 I mean, like, television - what is that? 342 00:14:23,420 --> 00:14:26,060 - I don't even know what that is. - Yes, very good. - Yes, exactly, yes. 343 00:14:26,060 --> 00:14:28,860 Against the background of a changing media environment, 344 00:14:28,860 --> 00:14:31,740 her mission is nothing less than to introduce the Renewal Group 345 00:14:31,740 --> 00:14:34,980 to the idea of the future, so that everybody knows how it works 346 00:14:34,980 --> 00:14:37,820 and where it's coming from, and will be able both to recognise it 347 00:14:37,820 --> 00:14:39,940 and know what to do with it when it arrives. 348 00:14:39,940 --> 00:14:43,220 - I mean, I can see where you're going with this, Siobhan. - You so cannot. 349 00:14:43,220 --> 00:14:46,100 But just to inject a note of reality for a moment, I mean, 350 00:14:46,100 --> 00:14:49,460 nearly 9 million people are watching Happy Valley at the moment. 351 00:14:49,460 --> 00:14:51,460 I mean, OK, it's not Morecambe & Wise any more. 352 00:14:51,460 --> 00:14:53,340 OK, so I don't even know what that is, OK? 353 00:14:53,340 --> 00:14:55,540 No, but still, it's a lot of people, that's all. 354 00:14:55,540 --> 00:14:57,580 OK, so I'm talking about the future here, right? 355 00:14:57,580 --> 00:14:59,500 - Well... - OK, and you're talking about the past. 356 00:14:59,500 --> 00:15:00,940 I'm talking about last Wednesday. 357 00:15:00,940 --> 00:15:03,100 OK, that's exactly my point. OK, that's over, right? 358 00:15:03,100 --> 00:15:05,900 - Well, no, but... - I've got three words for you, guys. 359 00:15:05,900 --> 00:15:07,900 U, G and C. 360 00:15:07,900 --> 00:15:09,860 - Right. - I'm sorry, Siobhan. - So User... 361 00:15:09,860 --> 00:15:12,700 - User generator... - User generated... User generated content. 362 00:15:12,700 --> 00:15:14,500 - Yes, exactly, yes. - Forget any other words, 363 00:15:14,500 --> 00:15:16,300 cos you're not going to need them any more. 364 00:15:16,300 --> 00:15:18,500 - Yeah, so coming back to the present for a minute... - Sure. 365 00:15:18,500 --> 00:15:21,580 - ..which, I'm sorry, is where I am most of the time. - Yes, me too, Neil. 366 00:15:21,580 --> 00:15:25,020 - Brilliant. - What would this BBC Me actually look like? 367 00:15:25,020 --> 00:15:26,860 - Sure, no, OK. - How would it actually work? 368 00:15:26,860 --> 00:15:30,300 OK. OK, OK. Um, so, say you're into body image, OK? 369 00:15:30,300 --> 00:15:31,380 Body image? 370 00:15:31,380 --> 00:15:33,620 - Sure. - Yes, exactly. I'm not being funny or anything, 371 00:15:33,620 --> 00:15:35,660 but I don't think that's going to work for Neil. 372 00:15:35,660 --> 00:15:37,780 I don't know, you say that, Tracey. 373 00:15:37,780 --> 00:15:40,260 - So say you're into bipolar. - Into bipolar? - Sure. 374 00:15:40,260 --> 00:15:41,700 Right, OK, here we go. 375 00:15:41,700 --> 00:15:44,100 So you've got issues around low self-esteem, whatever. 376 00:15:44,100 --> 00:15:45,420 - Yeah, have I? - Yes. 377 00:15:45,420 --> 00:15:50,260 So you upload stuff to BBC Me, badda bing, you've got a voice. 378 00:15:50,260 --> 00:15:52,540 - Right. - OK, and it's YOUR voice, OK? 379 00:15:52,540 --> 00:15:56,580 But it's also the voice of the BBC, which is, like, super-cool. 380 00:15:56,580 --> 00:15:59,540 - Brilliant. - Brilliant. - Brilliant. - Pretty soon, you've got a community. 381 00:15:59,540 --> 00:16:01,500 Before you know it, you've got a range of memes. 382 00:16:01,500 --> 00:16:03,380 - Right, OK. - Memes? 383 00:16:03,380 --> 00:16:05,700 I mean, we're in interesting territory here, aren't we? 384 00:16:05,700 --> 00:16:07,020 - Are we? - Yes, exactly. 385 00:16:07,020 --> 00:16:09,940 - No, glorious, really. - Although it's not a completely new idea, is it? 386 00:16:09,940 --> 00:16:12,500 - OK, it totally is, OK? - I mean, what we're talking about here, 387 00:16:12,500 --> 00:16:15,020 essentially it's a version of YouTube, isn't it? 388 00:16:15,020 --> 00:16:16,900 - Excuse me? - I mean... - Are we suddenly, like, 389 00:16:16,900 --> 00:16:19,380 - mainlining 17-year-olds here? - We're what? - Like, duh. 390 00:16:19,380 --> 00:16:21,100 No, I mean, I have to say, I mean, listen, 391 00:16:21,100 --> 00:16:23,100 - who knows where any of Tony's buttons are? - No. 392 00:16:23,100 --> 00:16:25,180 But if anything's going to push them at the moment, 393 00:16:25,180 --> 00:16:27,260 - then one has to think that this is it. - Yes, exactly. 394 00:16:27,260 --> 00:16:28,820 It so is. Tony who? 395 00:16:28,820 --> 00:16:31,060 - Tony Hall, Siobhan. - Sure. - Director General... 396 00:16:31,060 --> 00:16:32,540 No, no, no, sure. I'm good with that. 397 00:16:32,540 --> 00:16:35,180 Yes, although is it just me or is there an argument for us making 398 00:16:35,180 --> 00:16:38,100 content for our audience, rather than them making content for us? 399 00:16:38,100 --> 00:16:40,780 - Yes. - I've got to say, I agree with you. 400 00:16:40,780 --> 00:16:42,580 Yes, no, very good, Ian. Very strong. 401 00:16:42,580 --> 00:16:44,580 OK, what part of this are you not getting? 402 00:16:44,580 --> 00:16:48,540 - No, I get it, I just... - OK, it's over. OK? O-ver. Period. 403 00:16:48,540 --> 00:16:52,180 I mean, it's like, "Goodbye, BBC you guys. Hello, BBC Me." 404 00:16:52,180 --> 00:16:53,700 - Yes. - Right. - Great. 405 00:16:53,700 --> 00:16:55,660 - Yes, no, very good. - Yes, exactly, yes. 406 00:17:06,300 --> 00:17:09,060 She gets off those five eggs... 407 00:17:10,100 --> 00:17:12,540 Later in the day, it's the afternoon, 408 00:17:12,540 --> 00:17:16,820 and assistant of some kind Will Humphries is hard at work. 409 00:17:16,820 --> 00:17:20,380 ..takes advantage to fly up to the nest and check on those eggs. 410 00:17:20,380 --> 00:17:22,140 But look at this. He's quite... 411 00:17:22,140 --> 00:17:25,420 But Izzy Gould has stopped by to see him on a way to a meeting 412 00:17:25,420 --> 00:17:27,740 she's decided she's going to. 413 00:17:29,660 --> 00:17:30,700 Will? 414 00:17:30,700 --> 00:17:33,180 - Hi, Izzy, yeah. Hey. - Are you busy? 415 00:17:33,180 --> 00:17:34,460 Yeah, pretty busy, yeah. 416 00:17:34,460 --> 00:17:37,260 - Right. - Yeah, so, like, what I'm doing, I have to watch, like, 417 00:17:37,260 --> 00:17:38,620 catch-up for Ian Fletcher. 418 00:17:38,620 --> 00:17:40,260 - Right, catch-up. - Yeah, I know, mental. 419 00:17:40,260 --> 00:17:42,340 Like, he's so busy, he doesn't have time to watch TV, 420 00:17:42,340 --> 00:17:44,660 so I have to watch stuff for him and write, like, a report. 421 00:17:44,660 --> 00:17:47,300 - Right, interesting. - Yeah, so today I'm watching Springwatch. 422 00:17:47,300 --> 00:17:49,740 - Right, OK. Springwatch. - Yeah, the otters have died. 423 00:17:49,740 --> 00:17:52,940 - Right. Well, that's... - Yeah, I know, yeah, it's pretty sad. 424 00:17:52,940 --> 00:17:55,940 Yes. I was actually wondering if you've got a moment. 425 00:17:55,940 --> 00:17:58,660 - Yeah, no, say again? - I was wondering if you're free. 426 00:18:00,860 --> 00:18:02,180 Yeah, OK, cool. 427 00:18:03,500 --> 00:18:05,700 So I don't really know what this is about, OK? 428 00:18:05,700 --> 00:18:08,060 - OK, cool. - I only found out about it by accident. 429 00:18:08,060 --> 00:18:10,300 - So it's like what? - Well, it's a meeting. - Yeah, meeting. 430 00:18:10,300 --> 00:18:12,140 - That's all I know. - Yeah, me too. Yeah, cool. 431 00:18:12,140 --> 00:18:14,620 Cos the thought I had, and this is just another thought I had 432 00:18:14,620 --> 00:18:18,460 about this, Mark, is maybe something like The Great British Bike Off. 433 00:18:18,460 --> 00:18:21,460 Meanwhile, David Wilkes is already some way into his meeting 434 00:18:21,460 --> 00:18:24,180 with Head of Output Matt Taverner about On Your Bike, 435 00:18:24,180 --> 00:18:26,620 and, as usual, he's absolutely full of it. 436 00:18:26,620 --> 00:18:29,780 So, you have different celebrities racing against each other each week. 437 00:18:29,780 --> 00:18:31,020 Yeah, no, sure, that's great. 438 00:18:31,020 --> 00:18:33,820 But then you have professional judges like... 439 00:18:33,820 --> 00:18:36,540 - Hey, guys. - Hi, Matt. - Good to see you. 440 00:18:36,540 --> 00:18:38,580 Hey, yeah, good to see you. Yeah, cool. 441 00:18:38,580 --> 00:18:41,100 - Hi, David. - Hello, lovely. - I said to Matt that it would be good 442 00:18:41,100 --> 00:18:42,580 for Will to be here for this as well. 443 00:18:42,580 --> 00:18:44,820 - Yes. - Yeah, I know, sure. - Since it was actually his idea. 444 00:18:44,820 --> 00:18:47,460 - Yes, no, lovely. - Great. Grab a seat, guys, grab a seat. 445 00:18:47,460 --> 00:18:49,700 Matt has called the meeting in order to bring 446 00:18:49,700 --> 00:18:51,660 everyone who's coming to it up to speed 447 00:18:51,660 --> 00:18:54,020 with some recent developments that have happened 448 00:18:54,020 --> 00:18:55,300 with the On Your Bike idea. 449 00:18:55,300 --> 00:18:57,900 Great. So headline is I've got, 450 00:18:57,900 --> 00:19:00,780 - like, a general catch-up with Anna next week. - Right, yes. 451 00:19:00,780 --> 00:19:03,420 - Anna? - What I'm going to say to her is I think this could have 452 00:19:03,420 --> 00:19:05,580 - real potential for BBC Me. - Right. - Whoa. 453 00:19:05,580 --> 00:19:08,620 - BBC Me? - Yeah, sure. - Do you know what, Matt? That's really interesting, Matt. 454 00:19:08,620 --> 00:19:11,580 - But BBC Me, that's like... That's online, isn't it? - Sure. 455 00:19:11,580 --> 00:19:14,140 That's going to be, like, user generated content. 456 00:19:14,140 --> 00:19:15,860 Yes, it is, Izzy. Yes, that's correct. 457 00:19:15,860 --> 00:19:17,820 So how's that going to work with something like On Your Bike? 458 00:19:17,820 --> 00:19:19,780 - Sure. - Which is, like, the exact opposite of that. 459 00:19:19,780 --> 00:19:22,780 - Yeah, no, sure, that's great, Izzy. We should maybe talk about that. - Right. 460 00:19:22,780 --> 00:19:25,580 Such is the sudden buzz around the idea of BBC Me 461 00:19:25,580 --> 00:19:27,900 as a possible future for the BBC, 462 00:19:27,900 --> 00:19:30,540 that Matt is keen to have been developing ideas in that area 463 00:19:30,540 --> 00:19:31,860 for as long as possible. 464 00:19:31,860 --> 00:19:34,540 I mean, don't get me wrong, Izzy, I love what you've done here. 465 00:19:34,540 --> 00:19:37,620 - Right. - Yes. - Love where you've taken this idea. - Genius. - Yeah, me too. 466 00:19:37,620 --> 00:19:40,980 So, yes, what's so great about this, originally anyway... 467 00:19:40,980 --> 00:19:43,660 - Sure. - ..is basically it's such a simple idea. 468 00:19:43,660 --> 00:19:46,140 It's like a reinvention of the classic chat show, 469 00:19:46,140 --> 00:19:47,580 but, like, on a bike. 470 00:19:47,580 --> 00:19:49,460 Yeah, no, sure, Izzy. That's great. 471 00:19:49,460 --> 00:19:51,940 So I guess what's really exciting about this is where we might 472 00:19:51,940 --> 00:19:53,740 - be able to get to with it from here. - Right. 473 00:19:53,740 --> 00:19:56,580 - Do you know what, Matt? I'm sat here listening. I'm excited too. - Sure. 474 00:19:56,580 --> 00:19:59,820 - But, I mean... - Hey, guys. - Jack. - Sorry. Sorry I'm late. 475 00:19:59,820 --> 00:20:02,420 - No, sure. - Just a couple of Anna things I had to sort out. - Sure. 476 00:20:02,420 --> 00:20:03,500 Lovely Anna. 477 00:20:05,100 --> 00:20:07,820 - Hi. - Hi. - So I asked Jack to look in cos I know you've had some 478 00:20:07,820 --> 00:20:10,340 - thoughts about this. - Yeah, sure. - Right. 479 00:20:10,340 --> 00:20:12,900 - Hello, Will. - Yeah, hey, no worries. Yeah, cool. 480 00:20:34,460 --> 00:20:35,900 - Hi. - Hi, yes. 481 00:20:35,900 --> 00:20:38,140 - Sorry if I'm late. - No, you're not. I was early for some reason. 482 00:20:38,140 --> 00:20:40,740 - Well, here we are anyway. - Yes, here we are, yes. 483 00:20:40,740 --> 00:20:41,900 - Who'd have thought it? - Yes. 484 00:20:41,900 --> 00:20:43,620 Meanwhile, across town, 485 00:20:43,620 --> 00:20:45,900 Lucy and Ian have escaped to Euston Station 486 00:20:45,900 --> 00:20:48,460 to begin a journey that will take them to Manchester, Salford, 487 00:20:48,460 --> 00:20:50,220 and ultimately all the way 488 00:20:50,220 --> 00:20:53,780 to the midweek Match Of The Day FA Cup third-round highlights package. 489 00:20:53,780 --> 00:20:55,860 - No sign of Anna yet? - Not yet, no. 490 00:20:55,860 --> 00:20:58,820 - Right. - I don't know where she's coming from. - No, neither do I. 491 00:21:00,900 --> 00:21:03,300 I mean, we've got a bit of time, shall we go and get...? 492 00:21:03,300 --> 00:21:05,900 - There she is. - Right, yes. Anna, hi. - Yes, hi, yes. 493 00:21:05,900 --> 00:21:07,620 - Hi, Anna. - Yes. - Great. 494 00:21:07,620 --> 00:21:10,020 - So we're all here. - Yes. - Yes, exactly, yes. 495 00:21:10,020 --> 00:21:11,300 I was just asking Lucy, 496 00:21:11,300 --> 00:21:13,260 cos we've actually got a bit of time, haven't we? 497 00:21:13,260 --> 00:21:15,780 - If she wanted to go and get a coffee. - Yes. - Yes, exactly, yes. 498 00:21:15,780 --> 00:21:17,860 I'll have a decaf skinny flat white. 499 00:21:17,860 --> 00:21:19,860 - Right, em... - Not in a cardboard thing. 500 00:21:19,860 --> 00:21:23,020 No, I was actually suggesting us going and getting a coffee together. 501 00:21:23,020 --> 00:21:26,580 - Yes. - If that's something... - Yes, exactly. - Right, OK. Good. 502 00:21:26,580 --> 00:21:27,620 Yes. 503 00:21:32,420 --> 00:21:35,140 Cos one of the things at the moment, does this feel a bit...? 504 00:21:35,140 --> 00:21:36,980 I don't know, does it feel a bit television? 505 00:21:36,980 --> 00:21:39,100 - Sure. - A bit television? - Yeah. - Yeah, no, sure. 506 00:21:39,100 --> 00:21:42,420 With a sudden bulge of ideas for the new BBC Me, 507 00:21:42,420 --> 00:21:45,820 part of Jack's job in betterness development involves helping 508 00:21:45,820 --> 00:21:49,380 to position ideas like On Your Bike to achieve maximum effect. 509 00:21:49,380 --> 00:21:52,220 I was thinking, maybe it could be like loads of different people 510 00:21:52,220 --> 00:21:55,020 on different bikes, like, really fast. Maybe a couple of words each. 511 00:21:55,020 --> 00:21:56,100 - Sure. - What? - My God. 512 00:21:56,100 --> 00:22:00,180 - Cos, basically, what this is, it could be a selfie on a bike. - Sure. 513 00:22:00,180 --> 00:22:02,140 - I mean, that's... - My God. Stop it, Jack. 514 00:22:02,140 --> 00:22:05,540 - You might want to talk about the title, obviously. - Yeah, I know, sure. That's great. 515 00:22:05,540 --> 00:22:09,780 - But, sorry, Matt, but... - Izzy, yep. - That's, like, I don't really know where to start. - Sure. 516 00:22:09,780 --> 00:22:12,420 - It's like we're not talking about this any more now. - No, sure. 517 00:22:12,420 --> 00:22:14,940 This is not what Will came to me with. This is something else. 518 00:22:14,940 --> 00:22:17,620 Yeah, no, sure, that's great. I guess the question to think about, 519 00:22:17,620 --> 00:22:21,020 - cos it feels to me like we're on a journey now with this. - Right. - Yes, we are, Matt, yes. 520 00:22:21,020 --> 00:22:23,180 I mean, I don't know, I'm just putting this out there. 521 00:22:23,180 --> 00:22:26,740 - I guess something to think about is whether or not that's a journey you want to go on. - Yes. 522 00:22:26,740 --> 00:22:30,940 Whatever you guys decide, OK, I completely get that, OK? Cos this is absolutely your thing. 523 00:22:30,940 --> 00:22:32,060 Right. 524 00:22:33,340 --> 00:22:35,820 - I think maybe Will and I need to talk about this. - No, sure. 525 00:22:35,820 --> 00:22:37,340 Yeah, no worries, yeah, cool. 526 00:22:47,660 --> 00:22:50,260 There was no passing. There was no energy about 527 00:22:50,260 --> 00:22:53,540 their game. It made it easier than it should have been for the two... 528 00:22:53,540 --> 00:22:56,100 - Here he is. - Clive, hi. - Hi, yes. 529 00:22:56,100 --> 00:22:58,460 - Ian Fletcher. - Yeah, hi, Ian. Really good to meet you. 530 00:22:58,460 --> 00:23:01,420 Meanwhile, Ian, Lucy and Anna hav got to the end of the line 531 00:23:01,420 --> 00:23:03,620 and have arrived at the Match Of The Day studios 532 00:23:03,620 --> 00:23:05,700 in the heart of Manchester, Salford. 533 00:23:05,700 --> 00:23:06,940 - You know Anna. - Hello. 534 00:23:06,940 --> 00:23:09,180 Well, we've not met, but it's really good to meet you. 535 00:23:09,180 --> 00:23:11,300 - Yes, exactly, yes. - And Lucy, of course. - Hi. 536 00:23:11,300 --> 00:23:14,820 - Hi, Lucy. - Lucy Freeman. - Good to meet you at last. - Yes, you too. 537 00:23:14,820 --> 00:23:17,740 - We've spent that much time on the phone and the bloody e-mail. - I know. 538 00:23:17,740 --> 00:23:19,740 - It's great to be able to... - Yes, exactly, yes. 539 00:23:19,740 --> 00:23:21,420 As the BBC's Head of Football 540 00:23:21,420 --> 00:23:23,500 and Match Of The Day's Senior Executive Producer, 541 00:23:23,500 --> 00:23:26,340 Clive Cook is the man responsible for imagining everything that 542 00:23:26,340 --> 00:23:30,060 could possibly go wrong with the BBC's flagship live sport show. 543 00:23:30,060 --> 00:23:32,900 - And then we spent the whole evening rehearsing. - Right. 544 00:23:32,900 --> 00:23:35,380 - So how's it going? - How's it going? - Yes, how's it going? 545 00:23:35,380 --> 00:23:37,540 - I mean with Ryan. - Yes, exactly, with Ryan, yes. 546 00:23:37,540 --> 00:23:40,420 - Well, we got through the tech, somehow. - Right. 547 00:23:40,420 --> 00:23:43,020 I have to say, we weren't sure how this was going to go initially, 548 00:23:43,020 --> 00:23:45,100 but I think we're at a point now where we can say 549 00:23:45,100 --> 00:23:47,620 - with some confidence that he is naturally crap. - Right. 550 00:23:47,620 --> 00:23:49,460 It's just something he's got in him, I think. 551 00:23:49,460 --> 00:23:51,300 - Right, yes. - Right. - Yeah. 552 00:23:51,300 --> 00:23:53,500 No, I mean, not a great night for Southampton 553 00:23:53,500 --> 00:23:56,060 by any means. But Norwich came here with a clear intention, 554 00:23:56,060 --> 00:23:57,860 they kept their shape and they worked hard. 555 00:23:57,860 --> 00:23:59,580 They had a plan and I guess they stuck to it. 556 00:23:59,580 --> 00:24:01,740 Yeah, you've got to give them credit for that, Gary. 557 00:24:01,740 --> 00:24:03,060 In the end, they got the result, 558 00:24:03,060 --> 00:24:05,540 which I'm sure they'd have taken before the start of the game. 559 00:24:05,540 --> 00:24:07,180 By 10.35, the waiting is over 560 00:24:07,180 --> 00:24:08,580 and it's time for Match Of The Day. 561 00:24:08,580 --> 00:24:10,260 Ryan, I know you were less than impressed 562 00:24:10,260 --> 00:24:12,060 with some of Southampton's defending. 563 00:24:12,060 --> 00:24:15,180 - Yeah, I was, Gary. Yeah, I was. - Right. 564 00:24:15,180 --> 00:24:18,420 Well, for me, they were poor. For me, that's unacceptable. 565 00:24:18,420 --> 00:24:21,220 I think you've got some examples that you wanted to highlight. 566 00:24:21,220 --> 00:24:23,420 Yeah, I have, yeah. Well, for me, they were poor, Gary. 567 00:24:23,420 --> 00:24:25,020 For me, when you're poor at this level, 568 00:24:25,020 --> 00:24:26,620 you're going to end up getting beat. 569 00:24:26,620 --> 00:24:28,620 Yes, they got a draw, but, I'm sorry, for me, 570 00:24:28,620 --> 00:24:30,820 that's not a win in my book. 571 00:24:30,820 --> 00:24:33,740 Right. I know you've been looking in particular at their defensive 572 00:24:33,740 --> 00:24:34,900 shape at the back. 573 00:24:34,900 --> 00:24:38,020 Yeah, I have, yeah. OK, right, so, if you look here... 574 00:24:38,020 --> 00:24:40,220 No, wait. There's a bit where if... 575 00:24:40,220 --> 00:24:41,780 Yeah, here we go. 576 00:24:41,780 --> 00:24:44,500 Right, so, you've got your basic diamond, right? 577 00:24:44,500 --> 00:24:46,060 What happens if... 578 00:24:46,060 --> 00:24:48,780 Yeah, so, Yoshida, he's in the channel on the left. No. 579 00:24:48,780 --> 00:24:49,820 On the right. 580 00:24:49,820 --> 00:24:53,860 Yeah. Bertrand's over here, look. Hang on a minute. Here we go. 581 00:24:53,860 --> 00:24:56,340 He's in the hole behind Hojbjerg, 582 00:24:56,340 --> 00:24:58,860 who's gone all the way over here instead... Now look. 583 00:24:58,860 --> 00:25:01,340 Where's he going? Look, there he goes. Look. 584 00:25:01,340 --> 00:25:03,820 No, wait, is that Van Dijk? Yeah. 585 00:25:03,820 --> 00:25:07,300 Whereas Ward-Prowse is basically left trying to make a diamond 586 00:25:07,300 --> 00:25:10,260 on his own, which, for me, I'm sorry, he's not going to do that. 587 00:25:10,260 --> 00:25:12,180 I mean, it's not a diamond now anyway, is it? 588 00:25:12,180 --> 00:25:14,780 I mean, what is that? It's more... It's kind of... 589 00:25:14,780 --> 00:25:18,220 Now, look, it's gone all... It's not... I mean, what is that? 590 00:25:18,220 --> 00:25:21,460 It's not even a shape, it's just like a pointy line. 591 00:25:21,460 --> 00:25:22,700 I'm sorry, but, for me, 592 00:25:22,700 --> 00:25:25,420 you're not going to win games at this level with pointy lines, Gary. 593 00:25:25,420 --> 00:25:27,540 - Right. - I mean, if these were actual cars, right, 594 00:25:27,540 --> 00:25:30,660 this would literally be a car crash, do you know what I'm saying? 595 00:25:30,660 --> 00:25:33,100 It's poor. For me, I'm sorry, that's not acceptable. 596 00:25:33,100 --> 00:25:36,700 Yes. OK, well, three more games still to come tonight, 597 00:25:36,700 --> 00:25:39,740 and plenty of football to look forward to at the weekend in 598 00:25:39,740 --> 00:25:43,260 the Premier League, of course, with third place Arsenal taking on... 599 00:25:47,380 --> 00:25:50,380 Given where Salford is in relation to anywhere else, 600 00:25:50,380 --> 00:25:53,260 it was always going to be too late to get back to London. 601 00:25:53,260 --> 00:25:55,180 - There you go, Mr Fletcher, 305. - Right. 602 00:25:55,180 --> 00:25:58,140 - Would you like any help with your luggage, or...? - No. - 305. 603 00:25:58,140 --> 00:26:00,020 Yes, you're all next to each other, actually. 604 00:26:00,020 --> 00:26:02,340 - Right. - Is that going to be OK for you today? - Yes, I mean... 605 00:26:02,340 --> 00:26:05,140 - As I say, if you would like any help with your... - No, I don't want that. 606 00:26:05,140 --> 00:26:07,020 OK. Well, enjoy your night with us tonight. 607 00:26:07,020 --> 00:26:08,620 - Yes, exactly. - Yes. - Yes. 608 00:26:12,580 --> 00:26:14,820 Yes, I know he did. 609 00:26:14,820 --> 00:26:16,780 I know he was. 610 00:26:16,780 --> 00:26:18,140 I know it hasn't. 611 00:26:18,140 --> 00:26:19,940 No, I know you're not. 612 00:26:19,940 --> 00:26:22,060 At last, in the unashamedly budget hotel 613 00:26:22,060 --> 00:26:25,180 booked by the BBC, Ian has got a moment at the end of the day 614 00:26:25,180 --> 00:26:28,300 to enjoy some quiet nuts and an uninterrupted phone call 615 00:26:28,300 --> 00:26:31,260 from Senior BBC Press Officer Tracey Pritchard, 616 00:26:31,260 --> 00:26:34,340 who has phoned to bring him up to speed with the bad feeling she's got 617 00:26:34,340 --> 00:26:35,580 about how things have gone. 618 00:26:35,580 --> 00:26:36,820 Yes, I know. 619 00:26:38,260 --> 00:26:39,540 No, I'm sure you haven't. 620 00:26:40,940 --> 00:26:44,540 Listen, Tracey, it's 00.45. Let's sleep on it and regroup in... 621 00:26:44,540 --> 00:26:47,140 Yes, I know it is. ..Yes, OK. 622 00:26:47,140 --> 00:26:51,060 Yes, speak to you in... No, I know it hasn't. 623 00:26:51,060 --> 00:26:52,500 Speak to you in the morning. 624 00:26:52,500 --> 00:26:53,940 OK. Bye. 625 00:26:53,940 --> 00:26:56,180 Bye. 626 00:26:56,180 --> 00:26:57,900 - Hi. - Hi. 627 00:26:57,900 --> 00:27:01,020 - Sorry, I don't want to... - No, no. - If you were... - No, come in. 628 00:27:01,020 --> 00:27:03,780 - I mean, if you are still up. - Yes, well, apparently I am, yes. 629 00:27:03,780 --> 00:27:06,580 - No, I was just talking to Tracey. - Right, yes. How is she? 630 00:27:06,580 --> 00:27:09,700 - Well, apparently Ryan Chelford is now trending on Twitter. - Yes. 631 00:27:09,700 --> 00:27:11,380 - #FootballSexy. - Yes, I saw that. 632 00:27:11,380 --> 00:27:13,300 Yes, but at the same time, according to Tracey, 633 00:27:13,300 --> 00:27:16,100 the complaints log have received over 400 calls from football fans. 634 00:27:16,100 --> 00:27:19,020 - Right. - Apparently the highest number of complaints in a single evening 635 00:27:19,020 --> 00:27:20,820 ever recorded in peacetime, or something. 636 00:27:20,820 --> 00:27:23,060 - Really? Dear. - Yes, anyway, so that's all good. 637 00:27:23,060 --> 00:27:24,980 Yes. 638 00:27:26,500 --> 00:27:27,540 - Anyway. - Yes. 639 00:27:28,780 --> 00:27:30,500 - So? - No, I don't want to disturb you. 640 00:27:30,500 --> 00:27:34,060 No, that's OK. I mean, do you want a glass of vaguely white wine? 641 00:27:34,060 --> 00:27:36,900 - Well... - You might as well. I'm never going to get through all this. 642 00:27:36,900 --> 00:27:39,180 - No, it was just... So I got this e-mail earlier. - Right. 643 00:27:39,180 --> 00:27:41,780 - I don't know if you got it too. - An e-mail about what? 644 00:27:41,780 --> 00:27:43,580 Well, it... Well, this. 645 00:27:46,260 --> 00:27:47,660 No, right. No, I didn't get this. 646 00:27:47,660 --> 00:27:50,620 Lucy has just found out that as part of the BBC's 647 00:27:50,620 --> 00:27:52,140 new More Of Less initiative, 648 00:27:52,140 --> 00:27:54,780 a key part of its preparation for Charter renewal, 649 00:27:54,780 --> 00:27:57,660 a new post of Head of Empowerment is to be created, 650 00:27:57,660 --> 00:28:00,380 combining both the existing roles of Head of Diversity 651 00:28:00,380 --> 00:28:04,220 and Head of Inclusivity, which are to be unimagined going forward. 652 00:28:04,220 --> 00:28:06,500 - Sorry, when did you get this? - About an hour ago. 653 00:28:06,500 --> 00:28:08,580 - Right. - Yes, so I didn't really feel like sleeping. 654 00:28:08,580 --> 00:28:11,020 No. I mean, do sit down, obviously. 655 00:28:11,020 --> 00:28:12,500 I mean, I don't know what to say. 656 00:28:12,500 --> 00:28:15,700 - No, well... - Needless to say, this is the first I've heard of it. 657 00:28:17,420 --> 00:28:19,100 What the hell's that? 658 00:28:19,100 --> 00:28:20,740 - I'm sorry, I don't... - No. 659 00:28:20,740 --> 00:28:23,700 - - No. - I don't know what... - No, yes. 660 00:28:28,340 --> 00:28:29,540 Anna. 661 00:28:29,540 --> 00:28:30,820 - Hi. - Yes, exactly. 662 00:28:30,820 --> 00:28:32,940 - The fact is, I'm not drunk. - No, right. 663 00:28:34,860 --> 00:28:37,260 - Yes, so... - Yes, hi, Anna. - Yes. - Yes. 57622

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