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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:47,566 John Coltrane, 2 00:00:47,568 --> 00:00:49,768 he could get in his spaceship 3 00:00:49,770 --> 00:00:51,036 and it could take him anywhere he 4 00:00:51,038 --> 00:00:52,571 wanted to go. 5 00:01:01,682 --> 00:01:02,882 Just to say the name 6 00:01:02,884 --> 00:01:05,150 John Coltrane, it makes me shake 7 00:01:05,152 --> 00:01:06,785 and tremble. 8 00:01:06,787 --> 00:01:10,656 It's like talking about Beethoven, Shakespeare. 9 00:01:10,658 --> 00:01:12,691 You're talking about an artistic genius and 10 00:01:12,693 --> 00:01:14,860 a spiritual giant. 11 00:01:20,067 --> 00:01:23,369 Trane had a sound 12 00:01:23,371 --> 00:01:27,573 that was heavenly, it was like, oh, my God. 13 00:01:35,283 --> 00:01:36,549 Coltrane's strength of 14 00:01:36,551 --> 00:01:39,118 character is in his journey through music. 15 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,554 He sacrificed, and he had the 16 00:01:41,556 --> 00:01:43,622 insight and the consciousness to touch 17 00:01:43,624 --> 00:01:45,691 that thing that's inside of all of us. 18 00:02:10,585 --> 00:02:11,984 Right now, 19 00:02:11,986 --> 00:02:13,619 we're gonna take you down to a favorite 20 00:02:13,621 --> 00:02:15,554 little spot of ours here in New York, 21 00:02:15,556 --> 00:02:17,089 Café Bohemia. 22 00:02:17,091 --> 00:02:18,657 Down there at the present time is 23 00:02:18,659 --> 00:02:20,659 a young man whose name is Miles Davis. 24 00:02:20,661 --> 00:02:22,628 I'm sure you know who he is. 25 00:02:22,630 --> 00:02:25,664 He's a real cool stylist, 26 00:02:25,666 --> 00:02:27,199 Miles Davis is. 27 00:02:31,606 --> 00:02:33,606 1957, John Coltrane is 28 00:02:33,608 --> 00:02:36,609 part of one of the groundbreaking 29 00:02:36,611 --> 00:02:40,145 groups of the day, the Miles Davis Quintet. 30 00:02:40,147 --> 00:02:42,948 Miles Davis is looked upon as the harbinger 31 00:02:42,950 --> 00:02:45,818 of everything new. 32 00:02:45,820 --> 00:02:47,686 He is on the cutting edge, 33 00:02:47,688 --> 00:02:50,623 everyone is looking at him for the promise 34 00:02:50,625 --> 00:02:52,625 of what is to come. 35 00:02:57,832 --> 00:03:00,165 Are you really asking me a question like that? 36 00:03:01,168 --> 00:03:02,935 How good was that band? 37 00:03:05,873 --> 00:03:07,640 Well, I think it was 38 00:03:07,642 --> 00:03:09,041 probably one of the-the greatest, 39 00:03:09,043 --> 00:03:11,877 uh, jazz bands that was ever formed. 40 00:03:11,879 --> 00:03:13,012 Everybody in the band 41 00:03:13,014 --> 00:03:17,316 had their own voice, and John was really, 42 00:03:17,318 --> 00:03:19,351 really special in that regard, 43 00:03:19,353 --> 00:03:22,087 in that you could hear that he was 44 00:03:22,089 --> 00:03:23,188 going somewhere, 45 00:03:23,190 --> 00:03:24,890 and I think that Miles heard that he 46 00:03:24,892 --> 00:03:26,892 was going somewhere. 47 00:03:33,834 --> 00:03:35,000 Being with Miles Davis 48 00:03:35,002 --> 00:03:37,970 was huge for Coltrane, 49 00:03:37,972 --> 00:03:39,204 absolutely huge. 50 00:03:39,206 --> 00:03:41,240 It catapulted him from being somebody 51 00:03:41,242 --> 00:03:43,475 that only really serious record collectors 52 00:03:43,477 --> 00:03:45,177 knew about to being somebody that 53 00:03:45,179 --> 00:03:46,412 everybody knew. 54 00:03:49,350 --> 00:03:50,516 John Coltrane's 55 00:03:50,518 --> 00:03:54,286 experiences in Miles Davis' quintet 56 00:03:54,288 --> 00:03:55,421 was sort of like going up to the 57 00:03:55,423 --> 00:03:57,389 high diving board every night, 58 00:03:57,391 --> 00:03:59,925 allowing himself to be scared, 59 00:03:59,927 --> 00:04:03,228 allowing himself to not know exactly what 60 00:04:03,230 --> 00:04:05,964 was gonna be ahead of him. 61 00:04:05,966 --> 00:04:06,999 It's of a high, high 62 00:04:07,001 --> 00:04:10,169 caliber to be able to play on a level 63 00:04:10,171 --> 00:04:12,838 which is exceptional. 64 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:16,508 You've got to be touched by the 65 00:04:16,510 --> 00:04:19,011 supreme whatever to be able to play 66 00:04:19,013 --> 00:04:21,947 like Miles played and like Coltrane played. 67 00:04:29,557 --> 00:04:30,956 At this time, 68 00:04:30,958 --> 00:04:33,959 Coltrane is a relative newlywed with the 69 00:04:33,961 --> 00:04:36,895 entire Miles Davis band as best men. 70 00:04:36,897 --> 00:04:39,231 Coltrane marries Naima Austin, 71 00:04:39,233 --> 00:04:42,167 a woman he'd met in Philadelphia. 72 00:04:42,169 --> 00:04:46,538 Naima has a child, Antonia. 73 00:04:46,540 --> 00:04:47,706 This is a man who 74 00:04:47,708 --> 00:04:50,109 gets his first experience at fatherhood 75 00:04:50,111 --> 00:04:54,446 with me, you know, so, and I was a handful, 76 00:04:54,448 --> 00:04:56,982 OK, I was a handful. 77 00:05:01,489 --> 00:05:02,921 I was remembering one 78 00:05:02,923 --> 00:05:06,992 time John had this gig, it was a bad night, 79 00:05:06,994 --> 00:05:11,230 snowy, he did the gig. 80 00:05:11,232 --> 00:05:13,732 I needed some shoes. 81 00:05:13,734 --> 00:05:16,435 He walked back from that gig home so he 82 00:05:16,437 --> 00:05:18,971 wouldn't spend any of the money so 83 00:05:18,973 --> 00:05:22,007 that I could get the shoes the next day. 84 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:27,246 You know, then you make that sacrifice, 85 00:05:27,248 --> 00:05:29,515 you work all night and then you walk home 86 00:05:29,517 --> 00:05:32,618 so that I can get a pair of shoes? 87 00:05:32,620 --> 00:05:34,019 That's father. 88 00:05:36,423 --> 00:05:38,023 John Coltrane is 89 00:05:38,025 --> 00:05:39,258 working consistently to support the 90 00:05:39,260 --> 00:05:42,094 wife and daughter he adores. 91 00:05:42,096 --> 00:05:45,531 Life is good, but there's a problem. 92 00:05:59,313 --> 00:06:00,979 We are playing in 93 00:06:00,981 --> 00:06:05,284 nightclubs where the pimps and hustlers 94 00:06:05,286 --> 00:06:10,189 are around, and you, uh, go for the hype, 95 00:06:10,191 --> 00:06:11,990 and hey, man, you take some of this 96 00:06:11,992 --> 00:06:16,161 and you feel up and good, you feel good, 97 00:06:16,163 --> 00:06:18,063 and you go for it and then you're stuck. 98 00:06:25,206 --> 00:06:27,139 Hard drugs is an addiction. 99 00:06:27,141 --> 00:06:30,976 Charlie Parker, a great prophet 100 00:06:30,978 --> 00:06:33,345 before Coltrane, Charlie Parker, 101 00:06:33,347 --> 00:06:35,681 he was on drugs. 102 00:06:35,683 --> 00:06:38,617 He wanted to get off. He didn't quite make it. 103 00:06:40,621 --> 00:06:41,854 There was the misguided 104 00:06:41,856 --> 00:06:46,158 notion that artistic ability was enhanced 105 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:47,292 with hard drugs. 106 00:06:47,294 --> 00:06:50,162 Charlie Parker is the example. 107 00:06:50,164 --> 00:06:51,363 You're gonna turn from 108 00:06:51,365 --> 00:06:53,098 somebody that can't play into Charlie Parker 109 00:06:53,100 --> 00:06:56,134 by doing this? 110 00:06:56,136 --> 00:07:00,038 It doesn't happen. It's a myth. 111 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:01,506 Geez, and some of my friends, I mean, 112 00:07:01,508 --> 00:07:04,109 they died following that trail. 113 00:07:08,115 --> 00:07:09,348 Before Coltrane was 114 00:07:09,350 --> 00:07:10,515 really aware of it, 115 00:07:10,517 --> 00:07:12,050 he was using the needle and he was 116 00:07:12,052 --> 00:07:14,019 really heavily addicted. 117 00:07:14,021 --> 00:07:15,520 He had become a heroin addict, 118 00:07:15,522 --> 00:07:17,289 and it's not generally known that he 119 00:07:17,291 --> 00:07:19,658 was also drinking to excess. 120 00:07:19,660 --> 00:07:21,193 The funny thing about him, though, 121 00:07:21,195 --> 00:07:22,694 is everybody loved him. 122 00:07:22,696 --> 00:07:24,296 I'd spoke to over 250 123 00:07:24,298 --> 00:07:26,231 people when I did my book, and I couldn't 124 00:07:26,233 --> 00:07:27,566 find anybody that said, oh, 125 00:07:27,568 --> 00:07:29,268 when he was drunk, he was a terror. 126 00:07:29,270 --> 00:07:30,369 They all said, oh, I didn't even know 127 00:07:30,371 --> 00:07:32,137 when he was drunk because he was always 128 00:07:32,139 --> 00:07:33,238 so sweet, you know? 129 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:34,406 He was that kind of person, 130 00:07:34,408 --> 00:07:37,042 but he was unreliable. 131 00:07:39,413 --> 00:07:41,146 Miles Davis famously wrote in his 132 00:07:41,148 --> 00:07:42,981 autobiography, he would come to 133 00:07:42,983 --> 00:07:44,616 the gig in clothes that looked liked he 134 00:07:44,618 --> 00:07:47,052 had slept in them, so this was not making 135 00:07:47,054 --> 00:07:50,355 a great impression on Miles Davis. 136 00:07:50,357 --> 00:07:52,257 John Coltrane's fired. 137 00:07:52,259 --> 00:07:54,359 He's never been higher in his career, 138 00:07:54,361 --> 00:07:58,096 and so the drop down is long and hard, 139 00:07:58,098 --> 00:07:59,398 and he realizes that he can go the 140 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,668 way of Charlie Parker and just continue 141 00:08:02,670 --> 00:08:06,204 in a self-destructive path or really is he 142 00:08:06,206 --> 00:08:08,173 gonna find a way to dedicating himself to 143 00:08:08,175 --> 00:08:13,578 a clean, spiritual existence that brings 144 00:08:13,580 --> 00:08:16,114 together everything that has inspired 145 00:08:16,116 --> 00:08:19,451 him from the time he was a child? 146 00:08:19,453 --> 00:08:22,688 And so here's John Coltrane at 147 00:08:22,690 --> 00:08:24,189 a pivotal point of his life. 148 00:08:24,191 --> 00:08:26,124 He's gotta make a decision. 149 00:08:45,646 --> 00:08:49,081 I was born in a small town called 150 00:08:49,083 --> 00:08:52,250 Hamlet in North Carolina in 1926. 151 00:08:52,252 --> 00:08:53,552 My family moved from there when 152 00:08:53,554 --> 00:08:56,154 I was a few months old to High Point. 153 00:08:56,156 --> 00:09:00,292 I was an only child. I was brought up Methodist. 154 00:09:00,294 --> 00:09:03,161 It wasn't too strict, but it was there. 155 00:09:03,163 --> 00:09:04,563 In my early years when I was going to 156 00:09:04,565 --> 00:09:06,231 church every Sunday, I was under the 157 00:09:06,233 --> 00:09:08,700 influence of my grandfather. 158 00:09:08,702 --> 00:09:12,437 He was the dominating cat in the family. 159 00:09:12,439 --> 00:09:15,307 Both of my grandfathers were ministers. 160 00:09:15,309 --> 00:09:20,212 I grew up in that and I guess just accepted it. 161 00:09:20,214 --> 00:09:21,380 To understand 162 00:09:21,382 --> 00:09:22,714 John Coltrane's beginnings is to 163 00:09:22,716 --> 00:09:25,751 understand that he comes from the American South, 164 00:09:25,753 --> 00:09:27,285 and the racial realities that he 165 00:09:27,287 --> 00:09:28,820 grew up with, the idea that the 166 00:09:28,822 --> 00:09:33,225 black church was the primary force that 167 00:09:33,227 --> 00:09:36,194 held his family together and also 168 00:09:36,196 --> 00:09:38,430 it was the source point for his first 169 00:09:38,432 --> 00:09:41,733 musical experiences, and the fact that music 170 00:09:41,735 --> 00:09:44,569 and the spirituality were there as one 171 00:09:44,571 --> 00:09:47,739 at the very beginning, is to really get at the 172 00:09:47,741 --> 00:09:52,778 DNA of what John Coltrane is all about. 173 00:10:18,672 --> 00:10:20,305 The Jim Crow South 174 00:10:20,307 --> 00:10:21,473 was basically a reference to what 175 00:10:21,475 --> 00:10:24,176 the South was like after the Civil War, 176 00:10:24,178 --> 00:10:26,778 after Reconstruction, where segregation 177 00:10:26,780 --> 00:10:28,847 had been re-imposed. 178 00:10:30,250 --> 00:10:32,551 It was a place ready-made for the blues, 179 00:10:32,553 --> 00:10:35,520 ready-made for jazz, ready-made for people 180 00:10:35,522 --> 00:10:40,325 using their pain to catapult their art. 181 00:10:43,263 --> 00:10:44,563 The Jim Crow South 182 00:10:44,565 --> 00:10:46,264 where Coltrane grew up proceeded 183 00:10:46,266 --> 00:10:48,867 from slavery and under slavery, 184 00:10:48,869 --> 00:10:50,368 it was against the law for us 185 00:10:50,370 --> 00:10:51,703 to read or write. 186 00:10:51,705 --> 00:10:54,406 How will our humanity be expressed, 187 00:10:54,408 --> 00:10:56,274 creativity, courageously? 188 00:10:56,276 --> 00:10:57,576 It was against the law for black people 189 00:10:57,578 --> 00:11:00,412 to worship God without white supervision, 190 00:11:00,414 --> 00:11:01,680 so what do you do? 191 00:11:01,682 --> 00:11:06,351 You steal away at night near the creek, 192 00:11:06,353 --> 00:11:08,420 hold hands in a ring shout and 193 00:11:08,422 --> 00:11:10,355 lift your voice. 194 00:11:10,357 --> 00:11:12,724 Lift your voice, vocals, 195 00:11:12,726 --> 00:11:15,961 create a community, camaraderie and so forth. 196 00:11:21,201 --> 00:11:22,667 Black music was the 197 00:11:22,669 --> 00:11:24,769 black response to being terrorized 198 00:11:24,771 --> 00:11:27,205 and traumatized. 199 00:11:27,207 --> 00:11:29,608 We're gonna share and spread some 200 00:11:29,610 --> 00:11:32,377 soothing sweetness against the backdrop 201 00:11:32,379 --> 00:11:33,979 of a dark catastrophe. 202 00:11:33,981 --> 00:11:36,281 That's black music. 203 00:11:48,462 --> 00:11:52,564 John grew up in an extended family. 204 00:11:52,566 --> 00:11:54,566 He was living in the same house with his 205 00:11:54,568 --> 00:11:57,636 mother and father, his grandfather and 206 00:11:57,638 --> 00:12:01,673 grandmother and aunt and uncle and cousin, 207 00:12:01,675 --> 00:12:04,409 and then within a period of two years, 208 00:12:04,411 --> 00:12:08,246 his father died, his uncle died, 209 00:12:08,248 --> 00:12:11,583 his grandfather died, and eventually, 210 00:12:11,585 --> 00:12:13,652 so did his grandmother. 211 00:12:13,654 --> 00:12:15,420 It was a devastating few years for 212 00:12:15,422 --> 00:12:17,422 the family. 213 00:12:19,459 --> 00:12:23,562 He's only 12 years old. 214 00:12:23,564 --> 00:12:25,497 Can you imagine what that does for 215 00:12:25,499 --> 00:12:27,866 any human being? 216 00:12:27,868 --> 00:12:29,467 How you gonna respond? 217 00:12:32,439 --> 00:12:33,505 And the one thing 218 00:12:33,507 --> 00:12:35,440 that happens just at the point in 219 00:12:35,442 --> 00:12:37,442 John Coltrane's life is that he started 220 00:12:37,444 --> 00:12:38,910 to take up music. 221 00:12:38,912 --> 00:12:41,446 He's gone from playing clarinet to 222 00:12:41,448 --> 00:12:44,449 alto saxophone, and it's almost like 223 00:12:44,451 --> 00:12:47,452 he hangs onto music like a life preserver. 224 00:12:47,454 --> 00:12:50,755 He finds in music a way of dealing with 225 00:12:50,757 --> 00:12:53,425 these harsh, harsh realities that are 226 00:12:53,427 --> 00:12:56,995 suddenly thrust upon the Coltrane family. 227 00:12:58,098 --> 00:12:59,764 Their standard of living 228 00:12:59,766 --> 00:13:02,601 was all of a sudden totally changed, 229 00:13:02,603 --> 00:13:05,403 all the men are gone, and Coltrane's mother 230 00:13:05,405 --> 00:13:08,473 just had to leave and go north to find work. 231 00:13:19,953 --> 00:13:22,420 When I finished high school, 232 00:13:22,422 --> 00:13:24,522 I moved to be with my mother in Philadelphia. 233 00:13:24,524 --> 00:13:26,992 This was 1943. 234 00:13:26,994 --> 00:13:29,894 I worked for a year in a signal depot. 235 00:13:29,896 --> 00:13:32,430 We had a war, you know. 236 00:13:32,432 --> 00:13:34,899 Then I decided to study music again. 237 00:13:34,901 --> 00:13:36,701 My mother made many sacrifices to 238 00:13:36,703 --> 00:13:38,470 enable me to study music, 239 00:13:38,472 --> 00:13:40,071 and I was able to take lessons 240 00:13:40,073 --> 00:13:42,507 from a private saxophone instructor. 241 00:13:48,048 --> 00:13:49,748 I was 16. 242 00:13:49,750 --> 00:13:51,449 I'd been playing saxophone for 243 00:13:51,451 --> 00:13:52,984 two years when one of the kids came 244 00:13:52,986 --> 00:13:54,586 home from school. 245 00:13:54,588 --> 00:13:56,454 He said, "There's a new guy that moved 246 00:13:56,456 --> 00:13:59,457 into the projects and he plays alto, 247 00:13:59,459 --> 00:14:02,761 and he sounds just like Johnny Hodges." 248 00:14:02,763 --> 00:14:04,462 I said, "Really? 249 00:14:04,464 --> 00:14:05,897 "Do you think you can bring him by 250 00:14:05,899 --> 00:14:07,532 the house tomorrow?" 251 00:14:07,534 --> 00:14:09,534 He says, "I think so." 252 00:14:09,536 --> 00:14:11,536 About four o'clock, the doorbell rang 253 00:14:11,538 --> 00:14:13,538 and there was this country bumpkin 254 00:14:13,540 --> 00:14:16,975 looking guy standing on the street, 255 00:14:16,977 --> 00:14:19,244 and he stood in the doorway with this horn, 256 00:14:19,246 --> 00:14:21,146 just stood there. 257 00:14:21,148 --> 00:14:22,647 I didn't know what to say. 258 00:14:22,649 --> 00:14:25,517 The only thing I could think to say was, 259 00:14:25,519 --> 00:14:26,618 "Play something." 260 00:14:27,654 --> 00:14:29,587 And that's what he was waiting for. 261 00:14:31,558 --> 00:14:33,558 Now, John and I became very close, 262 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,828 and he joined our little coterie there. 263 00:14:36,830 --> 00:14:38,496 He was quiet. 264 00:14:38,498 --> 00:14:40,498 I had to talk all the time. 265 00:14:40,500 --> 00:14:43,068 He never talked until he put that 266 00:14:43,070 --> 00:14:45,003 saxophone in his mouth. 267 00:14:46,573 --> 00:14:48,473 Yeah. 268 00:15:05,492 --> 00:15:07,559 June 5, 1945, 269 00:15:07,561 --> 00:15:11,496 first time Coltrane sees Charlie Parker, 270 00:15:11,498 --> 00:15:13,698 blows his mind. 271 00:15:13,700 --> 00:15:16,534 What kind of person is he? 272 00:15:16,536 --> 00:15:19,971 This brotha got so much creativity in him, 273 00:15:19,973 --> 00:15:21,539 willing to cut against the grain, 274 00:15:21,541 --> 00:15:23,541 courageous to the core, and you can just 275 00:15:23,543 --> 00:15:27,011 see Coltrane just, his mind was blown. 276 00:15:27,013 --> 00:15:30,181 John and I were screaming, screaming. 277 00:15:30,183 --> 00:15:32,550 It's a wonder we didn't fall over the balcony. 278 00:15:32,552 --> 00:15:35,620 We had never heard anything like that 279 00:15:35,622 --> 00:15:37,021 in our lives. 280 00:15:37,023 --> 00:15:38,723 We never heard double time. 281 00:15:40,460 --> 00:15:41,860 It's impossible. 282 00:15:50,537 --> 00:15:51,770 The first time I heard 283 00:15:51,772 --> 00:15:55,573 Charlie Parker, I knew that was the thing for me. 284 00:15:55,575 --> 00:15:57,041 Charlie Parker did all the things I would 285 00:15:57,043 --> 00:15:59,744 like to do, and more. 286 00:15:59,746 --> 00:16:02,514 He really had a, a genius. 287 00:16:30,844 --> 00:16:32,043 Coltrane was in the 288 00:16:32,045 --> 00:16:35,146 Navy in 1945 to '46, 289 00:16:35,148 --> 00:16:37,081 and stationed at Pearl Harbor. 290 00:16:39,619 --> 00:16:40,752 The very first 291 00:16:40,754 --> 00:16:42,720 John Coltrane recordings, quote-unquote, 292 00:16:42,722 --> 00:16:44,255 come from 1946 when he's a part of 293 00:16:44,257 --> 00:16:46,758 a Navy band and they do this recording 294 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,260 in Hawaii and they're playing Bird tunes 295 00:16:49,262 --> 00:16:51,596 and, uh, you can hear 296 00:16:51,598 --> 00:16:53,598 this very young John Coltrane, uh, 297 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,568 playing in, uh, and imitating the style 298 00:16:56,570 --> 00:16:58,336 of Charlie Parker, his hero. 299 00:17:12,786 --> 00:17:13,985 When you hear that 300 00:17:13,987 --> 00:17:15,153 recording from when he was in the Navy, 301 00:17:15,155 --> 00:17:16,721 he doesn't play that well. 302 00:17:16,723 --> 00:17:18,056 It's not possible to even believe 303 00:17:18,058 --> 00:17:19,657 it's Coltrane. 304 00:17:19,659 --> 00:17:21,125 Some people blossom 305 00:17:21,127 --> 00:17:22,794 very early. 306 00:17:22,796 --> 00:17:25,730 For Coltrane, that was not the case. 307 00:17:25,732 --> 00:17:28,066 I don't think you could listen to that 308 00:17:28,068 --> 00:17:31,135 and say great things ahead. 309 00:17:31,137 --> 00:17:32,337 And just that he could 310 00:17:32,339 --> 00:17:34,506 go from that way of playing to what 311 00:17:34,508 --> 00:17:36,674 he became, man, that's all you need to 312 00:17:36,676 --> 00:17:37,976 know about him. 313 00:17:37,978 --> 00:17:39,878 Heh heh. 314 00:17:56,296 --> 00:17:57,962 After a year in the Navy, 315 00:17:57,964 --> 00:17:59,330 I came back to Philadelphia 316 00:17:59,332 --> 00:18:01,032 and then went on the road. 317 00:18:01,034 --> 00:18:03,301 I accepted work with all kinds of groups, 318 00:18:03,303 --> 00:18:04,802 even if I didn't agrees with their musical 319 00:18:04,804 --> 00:18:07,238 tenets, because I could learn something 320 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,707 while I was making a living. 321 00:18:09,709 --> 00:18:12,744 They were, in comparison to baseball, 322 00:18:12,746 --> 00:18:14,712 like the minor leagues. 323 00:18:18,785 --> 00:18:20,418 I then went with Dizzy Gillespie from 324 00:18:20,420 --> 00:18:23,721 1949 to 1951. 325 00:18:23,723 --> 00:18:25,790 I wanted to find my own way, 326 00:18:25,792 --> 00:18:27,792 but I wasn't ready. 327 00:18:27,794 --> 00:18:30,094 There was so much to learn yet. 328 00:18:30,096 --> 00:18:31,396 For John Coltrane 329 00:18:31,398 --> 00:18:33,031 to be playing with someone of Dizzy's 330 00:18:33,033 --> 00:18:35,800 stature had to be like waking up to 331 00:18:35,802 --> 00:18:38,169 all of your Christmases at one time. 332 00:18:39,806 --> 00:18:41,739 Dizzy was wonderful 333 00:18:41,741 --> 00:18:44,042 in every way you can imagine. 334 00:18:44,044 --> 00:18:46,377 His sense of humor was incredible- 335 00:18:46,379 --> 00:18:48,313 that's how he got the name "Dizzy"- 336 00:18:48,315 --> 00:18:51,049 but he was a genius. 337 00:18:51,051 --> 00:18:52,917 So Dizz was hearing 338 00:18:52,919 --> 00:18:53,985 something in Coltrane's playing 339 00:18:53,987 --> 00:18:57,322 as being promising, as being filled with 340 00:18:57,324 --> 00:18:59,824 possibilities and that this guy 341 00:18:59,826 --> 00:19:01,826 needed nurturing. 342 00:19:03,129 --> 00:19:04,362 When we finally got 343 00:19:04,364 --> 00:19:06,297 with Dizzy's band, John would be practicing 344 00:19:06,299 --> 00:19:09,901 in the hotels, and invariably, 345 00:19:09,903 --> 00:19:12,270 somebody would holler, "Hey! 346 00:19:12,272 --> 00:19:14,172 "Tell that guy to stop all that noise 347 00:19:14,174 --> 00:19:16,674 up there with that horn!" 348 00:19:16,676 --> 00:19:20,845 And Trane would stop practicing and just 349 00:19:20,847 --> 00:19:24,849 finger the horn for an hour, 350 00:19:24,851 --> 00:19:26,951 just practicing fingering. 351 00:19:26,953 --> 00:19:29,153 I never seen anybody do that. 352 00:19:53,232 --> 00:19:55,499 He always had that horn. 353 00:19:55,501 --> 00:19:56,667 He'd play it all day long, 354 00:19:56,669 --> 00:19:58,402 and when he worked, at work 355 00:19:58,404 --> 00:20:00,404 during the intermission, he was in the men's room 356 00:20:00,406 --> 00:20:02,272 playing his horn. 357 00:20:02,274 --> 00:20:03,907 I mean this is Spartan practice, 358 00:20:03,909 --> 00:20:05,576 you know? 359 00:20:05,578 --> 00:20:07,211 Not everybody was into that. 360 00:20:07,213 --> 00:20:09,379 I wasn't into that, but it was like 361 00:20:09,381 --> 00:20:13,350 he was trying to best himself. 362 00:20:23,362 --> 00:20:24,495 Dizzy had a very 363 00:20:24,497 --> 00:20:26,296 strict rule about drug use, and that 364 00:20:26,298 --> 00:20:30,400 December of 1950, he caught Coltrane 365 00:20:30,402 --> 00:20:33,570 and Jimmy Heath shooting up. 366 00:20:33,572 --> 00:20:35,372 We were getting high 367 00:20:35,374 --> 00:20:37,608 down in the basement, and Dizzy came 368 00:20:37,610 --> 00:20:40,310 down in intermission and he caught us, 369 00:20:40,312 --> 00:20:43,380 you know, and he fired us, 370 00:20:43,382 --> 00:20:45,649 but Trane begged his way back in 371 00:20:45,651 --> 00:20:49,153 and I-I didn't. 372 00:20:49,155 --> 00:20:50,387 Coltrane begged. 373 00:20:50,389 --> 00:20:51,388 "No, please, I won't do it again. 374 00:20:51,390 --> 00:20:52,523 "Let me stay. 375 00:20:52,525 --> 00:20:53,724 I really love playing with you," so forth 376 00:20:53,726 --> 00:20:55,392 and so on, and it worked. 377 00:20:55,394 --> 00:20:56,527 Dizzy let him stay, 378 00:20:56,529 --> 00:20:58,328 but it only lasted a few more months. 379 00:20:58,330 --> 00:21:02,332 By April of '51, Coltrane was out again. 380 00:21:06,739 --> 00:21:08,038 I stayed in obscurity 381 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,407 for a long time because I was happy to play what was 382 00:21:10,409 --> 00:21:13,777 expected of me without trying to add anything. 383 00:21:17,516 --> 00:21:19,583 All this time, musically, 384 00:21:19,585 --> 00:21:21,018 I was progressing very little in the 385 00:21:21,020 --> 00:21:22,886 way I wanted. 386 00:21:22,888 --> 00:21:24,354 I had not reached the point when 387 00:21:24,356 --> 00:21:27,457 I could take active steps by myself. 388 00:21:27,459 --> 00:21:29,426 In fact, I don't think I reached that 389 00:21:29,428 --> 00:21:32,396 point until after I'd got with Miles. 390 00:21:32,398 --> 00:21:34,398 It was Miles who made me want to be 391 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,466 a much better musician. 392 00:21:36,468 --> 00:21:38,902 In 1955, I joined Miles on a regular 393 00:21:38,904 --> 00:21:41,505 basis and worked with him until the 394 00:21:41,507 --> 00:21:44,608 middle of 1957. 395 00:21:44,610 --> 00:21:46,543 Why he picked me, I don't know. 396 00:21:46,545 --> 00:21:48,078 Maybe he saw something in my playing 397 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,380 that he hoped would grow. 398 00:21:50,382 --> 00:21:52,015 I had this desire, which I think we 399 00:21:52,017 --> 00:21:55,419 all have, to be as original as I could be, 400 00:21:55,421 --> 00:21:58,488 but there were so many musical conclusions 401 00:21:58,490 --> 00:22:01,992 I hadn't arrived at that I felt inadequate. 402 00:22:16,709 --> 00:22:18,976 In the spring of 1957, 403 00:22:18,978 --> 00:22:20,410 Miles Davis hits a breaking point 404 00:22:20,412 --> 00:22:23,046 with John Coltrane in his group. 405 00:22:23,048 --> 00:22:24,681 John Coltrane's drug habit is getting 406 00:22:24,683 --> 00:22:26,483 in the way of the music. 407 00:22:26,485 --> 00:22:27,718 For Miles, there's no way of 408 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,820 getting past that. 409 00:22:29,822 --> 00:22:30,954 Getting fired by Miles 410 00:22:30,956 --> 00:22:32,422 was really the shock of his life, 411 00:22:32,424 --> 00:22:34,725 and there was no other gig like 412 00:22:34,727 --> 00:22:36,393 a Miles Davis gig 413 00:22:36,395 --> 00:22:37,594 that was the top of the field, 414 00:22:37,596 --> 00:22:41,665 number one, and number two is that 415 00:22:41,667 --> 00:22:43,500 he was kind of counting on this gig for 416 00:22:43,502 --> 00:22:45,769 security and stability and building 417 00:22:45,771 --> 00:22:48,272 a home and having a married life. 418 00:22:50,442 --> 00:22:51,441 John Coltrane was 419 00:22:51,443 --> 00:22:53,610 by no means the only great musician 420 00:22:53,612 --> 00:22:55,579 who had drug problems. 421 00:22:55,581 --> 00:22:57,447 It killed Charlie Parker at an early age, 422 00:22:57,449 --> 00:22:59,850 and many others were afflicted. 423 00:23:01,754 --> 00:23:03,520 When he looked into the abyss, 424 00:23:03,522 --> 00:23:08,392 he decided that he couldn't stay 425 00:23:08,394 --> 00:23:09,459 where he was. 426 00:23:09,461 --> 00:23:12,562 He was either gonna go down and die 427 00:23:12,564 --> 00:23:16,533 or go up and become even greater. 428 00:23:26,478 --> 00:23:28,612 He quit, what they call "cold turkey," 429 00:23:28,614 --> 00:23:30,047 which means he didn't go to an institution, 430 00:23:30,049 --> 00:23:31,715 he didn't have any kind of medical support. 431 00:23:31,717 --> 00:23:33,884 During the days, he would just stay 432 00:23:33,886 --> 00:23:36,553 home and keep the door closed. 433 00:23:46,432 --> 00:23:47,597 Only one time did it 434 00:23:47,599 --> 00:23:49,066 ever become difficult for me, 435 00:23:49,068 --> 00:23:51,568 and that was when he was withdrawing 436 00:23:51,570 --> 00:23:54,037 and I could hear him. 437 00:23:54,039 --> 00:23:56,106 I could see Mommy taking him 438 00:23:56,108 --> 00:23:57,808 to the bathroom because he was 439 00:23:57,810 --> 00:24:00,844 always regurgitating. 440 00:24:00,846 --> 00:24:03,680 He was doing the cold turkey. 441 00:24:03,682 --> 00:24:05,515 One night it was really, really bad, 442 00:24:05,517 --> 00:24:07,651 and I became really afraid, 443 00:24:07,653 --> 00:24:09,920 and I remember praying, 444 00:24:09,922 --> 00:24:15,158 saying to myself, "Please, God, don't. 445 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,594 Don't take my father." 446 00:24:32,711 --> 00:24:34,444 And each night he 447 00:24:34,446 --> 00:24:39,616 seemed to, um, not be as sick. 448 00:24:50,529 --> 00:24:51,628 And we thank God, 449 00:24:51,630 --> 00:24:56,199 you know, that He allowed John Coltrane 450 00:24:56,201 --> 00:24:58,869 to get past, you know, 451 00:24:58,871 --> 00:25:03,573 the gates of hell. 452 00:25:03,575 --> 00:25:06,443 He just decided to do it, 453 00:25:06,445 --> 00:25:10,080 and by the strength of will and faith, 454 00:25:10,082 --> 00:25:11,648 he did it. 455 00:25:18,957 --> 00:25:20,590 So he cleaned up, 456 00:25:20,592 --> 00:25:23,894 and when he cleaned up, 457 00:25:23,896 --> 00:25:27,664 things began to unfold. 458 00:25:45,584 --> 00:25:48,151 During the year 1957, 459 00:25:48,153 --> 00:25:50,787 I experienced, by the grace of God, 460 00:25:50,789 --> 00:25:51,955 a spiritual awakening, 461 00:25:51,957 --> 00:25:54,991 which was to lead me to a richer, fuller, 462 00:25:54,993 --> 00:25:57,694 more productive life. 463 00:25:57,696 --> 00:25:59,596 At that time, in gratitude, 464 00:25:59,598 --> 00:26:02,165 I humbly asked to be given the means 465 00:26:02,167 --> 00:26:04,534 and privilege to make others happy 466 00:26:04,536 --> 00:26:05,735 through music. 467 00:26:16,782 --> 00:26:18,381 John Coltrane returns 468 00:26:18,383 --> 00:26:19,883 to New York after he gets himself clean, 469 00:26:19,885 --> 00:26:22,085 and he's very much like a man 470 00:26:22,087 --> 00:26:23,854 on a mission. 471 00:26:23,856 --> 00:26:25,822 After going cold turkey 472 00:26:25,824 --> 00:26:28,692 and not using drugs, his energy level 473 00:26:28,694 --> 00:26:30,126 went up a notch. 474 00:26:30,128 --> 00:26:31,795 He smiled more. 475 00:26:31,797 --> 00:26:34,364 You know, that gorilla off your back. 476 00:26:34,366 --> 00:26:36,933 Yeah. I think he was really happy. 477 00:26:38,237 --> 00:26:40,504 When I stopped drinking and all 478 00:26:40,506 --> 00:26:42,205 that other stuff, it helped me in all 479 00:26:42,207 --> 00:26:44,207 kinds of ways. 480 00:26:44,209 --> 00:26:46,743 I was able to play better right then, 481 00:26:46,745 --> 00:26:47,978 you know? 482 00:26:47,980 --> 00:26:50,947 I could play better and think better. 483 00:26:50,949 --> 00:26:52,082 Everything. 484 00:26:53,685 --> 00:26:54,918 Very significantly, 485 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,753 that's also the time period that he started 486 00:26:56,755 --> 00:26:58,955 playing with Thelonious Monk on an 487 00:26:58,957 --> 00:27:01,124 informal basis and then joined his band 488 00:27:01,126 --> 00:27:03,693 in July of '57. 489 00:27:03,695 --> 00:27:06,096 If you say Thelonious Monk's name to any musician, 490 00:27:06,098 --> 00:27:08,098 say it to Miles, "Thelonious Monk," 491 00:27:08,100 --> 00:27:09,833 said, "Oh, Monk, Monk." 492 00:27:09,835 --> 00:27:12,769 Dizzy-"Oh, whoa, whoa, Monk, Monk, Monk." 493 00:27:12,771 --> 00:27:14,704 First, his musicianship was supreme. 494 00:27:14,706 --> 00:27:17,274 Just his knowledge, his ability to play, 495 00:27:17,276 --> 00:27:19,209 his harmonic sophistication, the structures 496 00:27:19,211 --> 00:27:21,711 of his songs, and it's Coltrane 497 00:27:21,713 --> 00:27:24,247 learning from Monk. 498 00:27:24,249 --> 00:27:25,849 Trane would come in the morning, and they would just 499 00:27:25,851 --> 00:27:27,150 practice all day. 500 00:27:27,152 --> 00:27:28,318 You know, when you're 501 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,220 spending time in Monk's house, 502 00:27:30,222 --> 00:27:32,756 and he's going through things, 503 00:27:32,758 --> 00:27:36,092 that level of genius taking time to 504 00:27:36,094 --> 00:27:41,298 help nurture your genius... 505 00:27:41,300 --> 00:27:42,465 After working with 506 00:27:42,467 --> 00:27:44,801 Thelonious Monk, Coltrane is fully 507 00:27:44,803 --> 00:27:46,836 on his feet. 508 00:27:46,838 --> 00:27:49,205 He's got the confidence now, 509 00:27:49,207 --> 00:27:51,841 and it is in 1957 that he records 510 00:27:51,843 --> 00:27:55,211 his first album as a leader. 511 00:27:55,213 --> 00:27:56,880 The cover says, "Coltrane". 512 00:27:56,882 --> 00:27:57,981 You know, it's like once you're known 513 00:27:57,983 --> 00:27:59,149 just by your last name, 514 00:27:59,151 --> 00:28:00,717 you know you're already getting big, 515 00:28:00,719 --> 00:28:01,785 and then it said up in the corner, 516 00:28:01,787 --> 00:28:04,120 it said, "The NEW", in capital letters, 517 00:28:04,122 --> 00:28:07,123 "tenor saxophone STAR." 518 00:28:07,125 --> 00:28:08,325 And the other thing is that he had an 519 00:28:08,327 --> 00:28:09,326 opportunity to do some of his own 520 00:28:09,328 --> 00:28:10,994 original music. 521 00:28:22,608 --> 00:28:24,474 His music sounded different. 522 00:28:24,476 --> 00:28:26,743 It was like there was new blood in it. 523 00:28:26,745 --> 00:28:28,378 His playing, there was new blood in 524 00:28:28,380 --> 00:28:29,446 his playing. 525 00:28:31,383 --> 00:28:33,416 There was a certain kind of 526 00:28:33,418 --> 00:28:34,884 almost recklessness. 527 00:28:46,098 --> 00:28:48,898 He's pushing forward 528 00:28:48,900 --> 00:28:50,834 such that he may not even know 529 00:28:50,836 --> 00:28:54,070 what he's pushing forward to. 530 00:29:16,995 --> 00:29:18,428 After my late teens, 531 00:29:18,430 --> 00:29:21,931 I questioned a lot of what I had found in religion, 532 00:29:21,933 --> 00:29:23,967 but I never did anything about it. 533 00:29:23,969 --> 00:29:27,370 I was too busy doing other things. 534 00:29:27,372 --> 00:29:28,605 Recently, I started looking into what 535 00:29:28,607 --> 00:29:30,940 people are thinking when I saw there 536 00:29:30,942 --> 00:29:33,510 was so many religions and kind of 537 00:29:33,512 --> 00:29:36,780 opposed somewhat to the next and so forth. 538 00:29:36,782 --> 00:29:38,748 It screwed up my head. 539 00:29:38,750 --> 00:29:40,517 I just couldn't believe that one guy 540 00:29:40,519 --> 00:29:42,652 could be right, because if he's right, 541 00:29:42,654 --> 00:29:45,055 somebody else has got to be wrong. 542 00:29:46,458 --> 00:29:47,590 The three of us, 543 00:29:47,592 --> 00:29:49,025 we didn't go to church every Sunday, 544 00:29:49,027 --> 00:29:54,698 but I knew that my parents believed in God, 545 00:29:54,700 --> 00:29:57,801 they had a strong belief in God. 546 00:29:57,803 --> 00:30:00,704 We had bibles, we had the Quran. 547 00:30:00,706 --> 00:30:02,739 My father was looking at different 548 00:30:02,741 --> 00:30:06,910 Eastern religion, Buddhism, Shinto. 549 00:30:06,912 --> 00:30:08,545 He never set out 550 00:30:08,547 --> 00:30:10,513 specifically to say I'm a Christian 551 00:30:10,515 --> 00:30:11,548 or I'm Muslim 552 00:30:11,550 --> 00:30:13,616 or I'm Hindu or a Buddhist. 553 00:30:13,618 --> 00:30:15,885 I think he studied all of these religions 554 00:30:15,887 --> 00:30:18,254 and understood that there is something 555 00:30:18,256 --> 00:30:19,589 higher than that. 556 00:30:19,591 --> 00:30:20,657 There's something that a... that, 557 00:30:20,659 --> 00:30:22,225 that all these religions are basically 558 00:30:22,227 --> 00:30:24,160 saying that's, you know, universal. 559 00:30:24,162 --> 00:30:25,662 I like to describe 560 00:30:25,664 --> 00:30:27,630 it as a little picture, which is our world, 561 00:30:27,632 --> 00:30:30,500 and the big picture. 562 00:30:30,502 --> 00:30:34,003 John was about the big picture. 563 00:30:34,005 --> 00:30:36,573 John was very celestial. 564 00:30:36,575 --> 00:30:38,875 Celestial meant spiritual. 565 00:30:38,877 --> 00:30:40,877 He had a deep understanding, 566 00:30:40,879 --> 00:30:45,882 a deep feeling for higher worlds than 567 00:30:45,884 --> 00:30:47,851 this world. 568 00:30:47,853 --> 00:30:49,085 Coltrane was definitely 569 00:30:49,087 --> 00:30:51,588 someone who was inspired by the concept 570 00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:54,891 of the infinite and imagining how science 571 00:30:54,893 --> 00:30:58,595 and music and math all work together 572 00:30:58,597 --> 00:30:59,996 and that there was some kind of 573 00:30:59,998 --> 00:31:03,533 universal truth, and so for Coltrane 574 00:31:03,535 --> 00:31:05,769 to be inspired by Albert Einstein, 575 00:31:05,771 --> 00:31:09,405 who is a deep thinker, not just about 576 00:31:09,407 --> 00:31:12,609 space travel and time and energy, 577 00:31:12,611 --> 00:31:15,545 but the biggest of the big questions: 578 00:31:15,547 --> 00:31:16,679 Why are we here? 579 00:31:16,681 --> 00:31:18,448 What are we supposed to be doing, 580 00:31:18,450 --> 00:31:20,784 and where are we supposed to take ourselves? 581 00:31:20,786 --> 00:31:22,685 Coltrane was absolutely on 582 00:31:22,687 --> 00:31:23,620 that same road. 583 00:31:45,644 --> 00:31:47,610 At the end of 1957, 584 00:31:47,612 --> 00:31:49,579 Coltrane came back into Miles' band. 585 00:31:49,581 --> 00:31:53,149 The difference, though, the second stint 586 00:31:53,151 --> 00:31:55,585 with Miles is that now Coltrane kinda had 587 00:31:55,587 --> 00:31:57,654 a sense of who he was. 588 00:32:06,665 --> 00:32:08,965 One of the reasons that being with Miles 589 00:32:08,967 --> 00:32:11,467 was so productive for Coltrane is that 590 00:32:11,469 --> 00:32:13,036 Miles gave him tons of space. 591 00:32:13,038 --> 00:32:16,172 Miles let him solo at length, and, 592 00:32:16,174 --> 00:32:18,975 you know, he really didn't try to edit Coltrane. 593 00:32:18,977 --> 00:32:20,243 He didn't say, you know, 594 00:32:20,245 --> 00:32:21,477 "When you're playing with me, 595 00:32:21,479 --> 00:32:23,046 you gotta play shorter solos than I do." 596 00:32:24,616 --> 00:32:25,882 Almost invariably, Coltrane played 597 00:32:25,884 --> 00:32:27,684 longer solos. 598 00:32:27,686 --> 00:32:29,686 There is a famous story about Miles making 599 00:32:29,688 --> 00:32:32,922 a joke to Coltrane and saying, uh, 600 00:32:32,924 --> 00:32:34,257 "Why do you play so long?" 601 00:32:34,259 --> 00:32:35,825 And Coltrane saying, "Well, I can't find 602 00:32:35,827 --> 00:32:37,760 a good place to stop," 603 00:32:37,762 --> 00:32:39,529 and Miles saying, "Well, you could just 604 00:32:39,531 --> 00:32:40,997 take the horn out of your mouth." 605 00:32:46,504 --> 00:32:49,038 Miles is a strange guy. 606 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,773 He doesn't talk a lot and he rarely 607 00:32:50,775 --> 00:32:52,575 discusses music. 608 00:32:52,577 --> 00:32:53,843 You always have the impression that 609 00:32:53,845 --> 00:32:55,712 he's in a bad mood and that he's not 610 00:32:55,714 --> 00:32:57,780 interested in or affected by what 611 00:32:57,782 --> 00:32:59,716 other people are doing. 612 00:32:59,718 --> 00:33:00,950 It's very hard in a situation like 613 00:33:00,952 --> 00:33:04,120 that to know exactly what you should do, 614 00:33:04,122 --> 00:33:05,889 and maybe it's because of that that 615 00:33:05,891 --> 00:33:08,658 I just started to do what I wanted. 616 00:34:49,905 --> 00:34:52,339 Here we go. 617 00:34:52,341 --> 00:34:54,975 Wait. OK. 618 00:34:54,977 --> 00:34:56,143 Uh, Trane and I, 619 00:34:56,145 --> 00:34:57,844 Trane and I'll play one, you know, 620 00:34:57,846 --> 00:35:00,213 together out. 621 00:35:00,215 --> 00:35:01,882 You know what I mean? Can you hear me? 622 00:35:01,884 --> 00:35:04,351 Yeah. Let's go. 623 00:35:11,694 --> 00:35:12,859 Oh, "Kind of Blue" was 624 00:35:12,861 --> 00:35:15,095 one of the greatest records ever made. 625 00:35:15,097 --> 00:35:17,764 It's just got a great feel. 626 00:35:17,766 --> 00:35:21,568 You can never grow tired of that album, 627 00:35:21,570 --> 00:35:23,337 and it crosses all boundaries. 628 00:35:23,339 --> 00:35:26,039 People who don't understand jazz get it. 629 00:35:26,041 --> 00:35:27,841 "Kind of Blue" is so 630 00:35:27,843 --> 00:35:30,844 key to understanding where John Coltrane 631 00:35:30,846 --> 00:35:33,747 would go in the 1960s. 632 00:35:33,749 --> 00:35:35,882 That really is sort of the fuse to the 633 00:35:35,884 --> 00:35:38,085 Coltrane explosion later. 634 00:35:39,488 --> 00:35:40,520 It's very interesting. 635 00:35:40,522 --> 00:35:41,655 You've got the first session for 636 00:35:41,657 --> 00:35:43,557 "Kind of Blue" in early '59. 637 00:35:43,559 --> 00:35:45,993 A little while later, about a month and a half, 638 00:35:45,995 --> 00:35:47,894 you've got the second session. 639 00:35:47,896 --> 00:35:49,863 In between, John Coltrane's doing 640 00:35:49,865 --> 00:35:51,531 "Giant Steps." 641 00:36:00,843 --> 00:36:02,743 It was unprecedented 642 00:36:02,745 --> 00:36:06,546 that it was something that forced all of us 643 00:36:06,548 --> 00:36:09,516 to call into question what we had been 644 00:36:09,518 --> 00:36:13,387 hearing as that which was innovative. 645 00:36:17,159 --> 00:36:18,425 Every tune on 646 00:36:18,427 --> 00:36:20,560 "Giant Steps" was composed by Coltrane, 647 00:36:20,562 --> 00:36:24,031 so that album was huge for him because 648 00:36:24,033 --> 00:36:25,465 it showed something that I don't think 649 00:36:25,467 --> 00:36:27,634 people yet knew, which is that he 650 00:36:27,636 --> 00:36:30,904 was as brilliant a composer as he 651 00:36:30,906 --> 00:36:32,439 was a saxophonist. 652 00:36:41,425 --> 00:36:43,625 Writing has always been a secondary 653 00:36:43,627 --> 00:36:45,427 thing for me, but I find that lately, 654 00:36:45,429 --> 00:36:48,163 I'm spending more and more time at it. 655 00:36:48,165 --> 00:36:51,099 I'm trying to tune myself, 656 00:36:51,101 --> 00:36:53,769 to look to myself, and to nature 657 00:36:53,771 --> 00:36:55,170 and to other sounds in music 658 00:36:55,172 --> 00:36:58,807 and interpret things I feel there. 659 00:37:00,844 --> 00:37:02,377 So Miles' band was 660 00:37:02,379 --> 00:37:06,248 a great environment for Coltrane to grow, 661 00:37:06,250 --> 00:37:07,949 and he grew so much that he 662 00:37:07,951 --> 00:37:09,685 grew too big for the band. 663 00:37:09,687 --> 00:37:11,186 I mean he grew out of it. 664 00:37:11,188 --> 00:37:13,588 He couldn't exist in it anymore. 665 00:37:13,590 --> 00:37:15,457 He was actually saying 666 00:37:15,459 --> 00:37:17,793 to me he was gonna leave Miles Davis, 667 00:37:17,795 --> 00:37:19,561 he said, "I'm gonna leave Miles because 668 00:37:19,563 --> 00:37:23,031 "what I'm playing with that group 669 00:37:23,033 --> 00:37:25,567 sounds incorrect, sounds wrong." 670 00:37:25,569 --> 00:37:28,470 It's like he took off a suit of clothes 671 00:37:28,472 --> 00:37:31,373 that he wasn't going to wear anymore. 672 00:37:31,375 --> 00:37:32,941 And from the time 673 00:37:32,943 --> 00:37:34,142 we started out in my living room, 674 00:37:34,144 --> 00:37:36,078 he knew nothing was going to happen. 675 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,113 It just happened when it happened, 676 00:37:38,115 --> 00:37:41,416 but when it did happen, I said it should have 677 00:37:41,418 --> 00:37:44,086 happened because he was really ready. 678 00:37:44,088 --> 00:37:45,954 He had his stuff together then. 679 00:37:45,956 --> 00:37:47,656 Yes, this should be. 680 00:38:17,572 --> 00:38:20,239 You know, some people play jazz, some people play reggae, 681 00:38:20,241 --> 00:38:21,474 some people play blues and, 682 00:38:21,476 --> 00:38:23,910 you know, he played life. 683 00:39:14,729 --> 00:39:16,362 You can't describe 684 00:39:16,364 --> 00:39:18,231 music with words. 685 00:39:18,233 --> 00:39:20,433 We can say, oh, yeah, this guy was doing 686 00:39:20,435 --> 00:39:22,702 a lot of technical stuff, wow, 687 00:39:22,704 --> 00:39:25,304 when we analyze it and wow, 688 00:39:25,306 --> 00:39:27,306 look at this. 689 00:39:27,308 --> 00:39:30,476 Look at these changes and these harmonics, 690 00:39:30,478 --> 00:39:32,078 but it's not about that. 691 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,380 It's about hearing it. 692 00:39:45,326 --> 00:39:47,393 His sound, you know, 693 00:39:47,395 --> 00:39:49,295 it makes people cry, like, "Oh, damn, 694 00:39:49,297 --> 00:39:50,696 "you know, what, what is this tears? 695 00:39:50,698 --> 00:39:51,898 "Why am I crying? 696 00:39:51,900 --> 00:39:53,332 Wh-what's going on?" 697 00:39:53,334 --> 00:39:56,302 Your body's doing something that your 698 00:39:56,304 --> 00:39:58,337 mind don't want to do. 699 00:40:13,688 --> 00:40:16,856 His sound is stunning. 700 00:40:16,858 --> 00:40:20,393 It ranges through the different emotions 701 00:40:20,395 --> 00:40:23,429 people have in a way that very few 702 00:40:23,431 --> 00:40:26,299 people can do, and as I said, 703 00:40:26,301 --> 00:40:29,635 he did it, uh, partly from his 704 00:40:29,637 --> 00:40:33,639 own inner spirit, but he also was 705 00:40:33,641 --> 00:40:35,374 intellectually brilliant. 706 00:40:35,376 --> 00:40:38,344 That is, he wrote brilliant music, 707 00:40:38,346 --> 00:40:41,948 and he could take a standard 708 00:40:41,950 --> 00:40:45,451 and play it in a way that made you 709 00:40:45,453 --> 00:40:46,586 think you were hearing it for 710 00:40:46,588 --> 00:40:47,753 the first time. 711 00:41:01,836 --> 00:41:03,502 Within a year of leaving 712 00:41:03,504 --> 00:41:06,739 Miles Davis for good, John Coltrane 713 00:41:06,741 --> 00:41:09,208 has an incredible radio hit with this 714 00:41:09,210 --> 00:41:12,411 tune that is from "The Sound of Music." 715 00:41:33,001 --> 00:41:34,967 So here's this Broadway, 716 00:41:34,969 --> 00:41:38,404 uh, melody, oh, and he just transforms 717 00:41:38,406 --> 00:41:41,440 it into this gorgeous thing. 718 00:42:02,697 --> 00:42:04,030 "My Favorite Things" 719 00:42:04,032 --> 00:42:05,298 was a record that I actually played 720 00:42:05,300 --> 00:42:06,465 for my friends because I felt like 721 00:42:06,467 --> 00:42:07,533 they would like it. 722 00:42:07,535 --> 00:42:08,701 The reason that music touches everybody 723 00:42:08,703 --> 00:42:10,469 is that was Coltrane's intention, 724 00:42:10,471 --> 00:42:12,471 and he put a lot of everybody's music 725 00:42:12,473 --> 00:42:14,407 in that music, you know, and then that 726 00:42:14,409 --> 00:42:15,675 soprano-saxophone, that kind of nasal 727 00:42:15,677 --> 00:42:17,476 sound is really popular all over 728 00:42:17,478 --> 00:42:18,778 the world. 729 00:42:18,780 --> 00:42:19,779 Coltrane had worked on that 730 00:42:19,781 --> 00:42:20,780 his entire life. 731 00:42:20,782 --> 00:42:22,415 How can I bring people together 732 00:42:22,417 --> 00:42:23,549 and how can I bring these cultures 733 00:42:23,551 --> 00:42:25,985 and how can I bring this music together? 734 00:42:25,987 --> 00:42:28,187 And what allowed him to bring it together 735 00:42:28,189 --> 00:42:29,989 was a spiritual consciousness. 736 00:43:24,524 --> 00:43:26,524 I've gotta keep experimenting. 737 00:43:26,526 --> 00:43:28,726 And I feel that I'm just beginning. 738 00:43:28,728 --> 00:43:29,894 I have a part of what I'm looking 739 00:43:29,896 --> 00:43:32,630 for in my grasp, but not all. 740 00:43:32,632 --> 00:43:35,066 I like Eastern music, Africa, Spain, 741 00:43:35,068 --> 00:43:38,269 Scotland, India or China. 742 00:43:38,271 --> 00:43:40,104 It's that universal side of music 743 00:43:40,106 --> 00:43:43,708 which interests and draws me, 744 00:43:43,710 --> 00:43:46,544 and that's where I wanna go. 745 00:43:46,546 --> 00:43:47,678 For Coltrane, 746 00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,081 I think there was a pattern of doing 747 00:43:50,083 --> 00:43:51,515 something that is unexpected when 748 00:43:51,517 --> 00:43:52,717 you look at what came before it, 749 00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,619 so he would do something that would 750 00:43:54,621 --> 00:43:56,487 sort of trip himself up so he could 751 00:43:56,489 --> 00:43:58,189 figure out what to do next, 752 00:43:58,191 --> 00:44:00,625 and that sense of struggle and 753 00:44:00,627 --> 00:44:03,661 thinking through the next problem 754 00:44:03,663 --> 00:44:06,597 propelled him and made him 755 00:44:06,599 --> 00:44:09,200 keep getting better and stronger 756 00:44:09,202 --> 00:44:11,202 and more interesting and challenging. 757 00:44:21,998 --> 00:44:23,864 There's an intensity 758 00:44:23,866 --> 00:44:24,932 that I've never heard anything like 759 00:44:24,934 --> 00:44:26,801 it before him or after him. 760 00:44:26,803 --> 00:44:28,035 I always liken it to like looking 761 00:44:28,037 --> 00:44:29,870 at the sun. 762 00:44:29,872 --> 00:44:30,971 Like hearing John Coltrane is like 763 00:44:30,973 --> 00:44:35,576 the brightest light you can hear. 764 00:44:35,578 --> 00:44:36,644 I mean his tone is, 765 00:44:36,646 --> 00:44:37,745 is so unique. 766 00:44:37,747 --> 00:44:38,913 I mean it's so striking. 767 00:44:38,915 --> 00:44:41,315 I mean no one had that tone on the, 768 00:44:41,317 --> 00:44:44,351 on the horn, uh, during that time. 769 00:44:44,353 --> 00:44:46,921 It became the standard. 770 00:44:57,166 --> 00:44:58,332 It's not the car, 771 00:44:58,334 --> 00:45:00,401 it's the driver, so his sound, 772 00:45:00,403 --> 00:45:02,670 it sounds like it's coming from some deep 773 00:45:02,672 --> 00:45:04,138 part of himself, and even though, 774 00:45:04,140 --> 00:45:05,339 like, you hear him on different horns, 775 00:45:05,341 --> 00:45:06,640 you hear him on different mouthpieces. 776 00:45:06,642 --> 00:45:08,042 You can see him playing different setups, 777 00:45:08,044 --> 00:45:09,376 like, but still, it doesn't matter, 778 00:45:09,378 --> 00:45:11,612 like it's coming from that soul. 779 00:45:11,614 --> 00:45:12,813 His grandfather was 780 00:45:12,815 --> 00:45:16,116 a preacher, and I can hear that, 781 00:45:16,118 --> 00:45:17,985 uh-they said there's 782 00:45:17,987 --> 00:45:21,055 a wailing sometimes, a wailing. 783 00:45:21,057 --> 00:45:24,124 I can hear Trane's appreciation for 784 00:45:24,126 --> 00:45:26,961 what his grandfather's mission was. 785 00:45:54,056 --> 00:45:55,222 The evolution of 786 00:45:55,224 --> 00:45:57,258 John Coltrane's band, 'til he develops 787 00:45:57,260 --> 00:45:59,560 what we now called 'The Classic Quartet," 788 00:45:59,562 --> 00:46:03,063 is typical Coltrane experimentation. 789 00:46:03,065 --> 00:46:05,466 It's him trying out new ideas, 790 00:46:05,468 --> 00:46:07,968 new players, new things. 791 00:46:07,970 --> 00:46:09,737 He went through 792 00:46:09,739 --> 00:46:13,340 a lot of try-outs with different people 793 00:46:13,342 --> 00:46:15,109 and finally, he got the group 794 00:46:15,111 --> 00:46:18,512 that he wanted, and he was able to 795 00:46:18,514 --> 00:46:23,183 fly like he wanted to do. 796 00:46:56,586 --> 00:46:57,685 I'm very lucky. 797 00:46:57,687 --> 00:47:00,054 I work with very fine musicians. 798 00:47:00,056 --> 00:47:01,355 They are very inventive. 799 00:47:01,357 --> 00:47:03,123 I don't have to tell anybody 800 00:47:03,125 --> 00:47:04,792 what to do. 801 00:47:04,794 --> 00:47:07,194 We have a great confidence in one another. 802 00:47:07,196 --> 00:47:08,596 That's essential. 803 00:47:08,598 --> 00:47:10,097 They're with me and always wanting 804 00:47:10,099 --> 00:47:13,133 the band to move into new areas. 805 00:47:13,135 --> 00:47:15,636 We don't believe in standing still. 806 00:47:20,943 --> 00:47:22,042 And just to have Elvin, 807 00:47:22,044 --> 00:47:23,744 the level of intelligence and seriousness 808 00:47:23,746 --> 00:47:24,878 he was on, and Jimmy, the type of 809 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,246 heart he had, and McCoy was the young- 810 00:47:26,248 --> 00:47:28,148 was a kid. 811 00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:29,316 They are originals. 812 00:47:29,318 --> 00:47:31,085 They set music in another direction, 813 00:47:31,087 --> 00:47:32,086 gave us another way to perceive the 814 00:47:32,088 --> 00:47:34,521 universe through the music. 815 00:47:34,523 --> 00:47:36,090 People who heard them would, would- 816 00:47:36,092 --> 00:47:38,325 their lives were transformed. 817 00:47:46,202 --> 00:47:48,202 When I was 17, 818 00:47:59,082 --> 00:48:02,183 I had heard that Coltrane was coming 819 00:48:02,185 --> 00:48:05,186 to Shelly's Manne-Hole in Hollywood, 820 00:48:05,188 --> 00:48:07,588 saw them, oh, I don't know, 821 00:48:07,590 --> 00:48:09,524 five or six times. 822 00:48:09,526 --> 00:48:10,925 Unbelievable. 823 00:48:12,896 --> 00:48:15,396 I didn't know that Coltrane would 824 00:48:15,398 --> 00:48:18,366 be such an icon, but I sensed that 825 00:48:18,368 --> 00:48:21,435 I was witnessing magic. 826 00:48:21,437 --> 00:48:23,204 It would be just like Coltrane 827 00:48:23,206 --> 00:48:24,839 would be saying something on his 828 00:48:24,841 --> 00:48:26,908 tenor or soprano... 829 00:48:26,910 --> 00:48:29,977 Elvin would answer- 830 00:48:29,979 --> 00:48:31,979 And then it would get all intertwined, 831 00:48:31,981 --> 00:48:35,449 and, uh, it was free. 832 00:49:35,728 --> 00:49:37,094 Elvin Jones gave 833 00:49:37,096 --> 00:49:40,831 me my hands, which he did. 834 00:49:40,833 --> 00:49:43,801 I copied all his style, 835 00:49:43,803 --> 00:49:45,669 and then I found my own. 836 00:49:45,671 --> 00:49:49,173 I think it gave me the courage to maybe- 837 00:49:49,175 --> 00:49:50,774 A drummer's job is to keep the beat, 838 00:49:50,776 --> 00:49:53,610 but then if you can be expressive, 839 00:49:53,612 --> 00:49:55,612 have a conversation with the singer 840 00:49:55,614 --> 00:49:58,615 or the soloist, you can push him, 841 00:49:58,617 --> 00:50:01,518 and I witnessed that with Elvin and Coltrane, 842 00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:02,920 and I pushed Jim Morrison 843 00:50:02,922 --> 00:50:06,523 because of those guys. 844 00:50:06,525 --> 00:50:09,593 The greatest quartet in the history of jazz. 845 00:50:09,595 --> 00:50:11,929 Miraculous. 846 00:50:11,931 --> 00:50:13,697 We were like brothers 847 00:50:13,699 --> 00:50:15,132 and we were there for a reason, 848 00:50:15,134 --> 00:50:18,335 which was to create beautiful music, 849 00:50:18,337 --> 00:50:19,570 you know? 850 00:50:19,572 --> 00:50:20,938 I use the word beautiful because 851 00:50:20,940 --> 00:50:22,773 I couldn't think of a better word. 852 00:50:24,210 --> 00:50:27,978 But it, uh, we were committed. 853 00:50:44,196 --> 00:50:45,729 We thought that what 854 00:50:45,731 --> 00:50:47,231 we were doing, the gift came 855 00:50:47,233 --> 00:50:48,766 from the almighty, 856 00:50:48,768 --> 00:50:50,868 not that we were walking around, "I'm th-, 857 00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:52,870 I'm, you know, I'm this, I'm that." 858 00:50:52,872 --> 00:50:54,772 It's not, it's not ego at all. 859 00:50:54,774 --> 00:50:57,041 It's what you were put here for. 860 00:50:57,043 --> 00:50:58,342 What your, what's your reason 861 00:50:58,344 --> 00:50:59,943 for being here? 862 00:51:59,205 --> 00:52:03,373 Birmingham is a symbol of hardcore resistance 863 00:52:03,375 --> 00:52:05,876 to integration. 864 00:52:07,113 --> 00:52:09,379 It is probably the most thoroughly segregated city 865 00:52:09,381 --> 00:52:10,814 in the United States, 866 00:52:10,816 --> 00:52:12,749 and the injustices inflicted upon Negroes 867 00:52:12,751 --> 00:52:15,853 are the notorious realities. 868 00:52:26,098 --> 00:52:27,264 Growing up in the South, 869 00:52:27,266 --> 00:52:28,465 of course, I know he wanted 870 00:52:28,467 --> 00:52:31,902 things to be better, 871 00:52:31,904 --> 00:52:33,770 but he didn't talk about it. 872 00:52:34,940 --> 00:52:37,708 I think he put that in his music. 873 00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:22,052 Coltrane did talk 874 00:53:22,054 --> 00:53:23,954 politics in his music. 875 00:53:23,956 --> 00:53:27,157 It was only a few months after that horrible 876 00:53:27,159 --> 00:53:29,826 bombing of a church and he wrote 877 00:53:29,828 --> 00:53:31,895 a piece called "Alabama." 878 00:53:33,399 --> 00:53:35,832 And it shows the 879 00:53:35,834 --> 00:53:38,001 creativity and depth of Coltrane, 880 00:53:38,003 --> 00:53:42,940 a beautiful elegy screaming with pain, 881 00:53:42,942 --> 00:53:44,575 undergirded by love. 882 00:53:44,577 --> 00:53:45,943 I mean it was just, it's-it's-it's a 883 00:53:45,945 --> 00:53:47,911 masterful piece, really. 884 00:53:50,883 --> 00:53:52,916 [Martin Luther King, Jr. These children, 885 00:53:52,918 --> 00:53:56,853 unoffending, innocent and beautiful, 886 00:53:56,855 --> 00:53:59,823 were the victims of one of the most 887 00:53:59,825 --> 00:54:04,228 vicious and tragic crimes ever 888 00:54:04,230 --> 00:54:06,430 perpetrated against humanity. 889 00:54:09,868 --> 00:54:12,803 Coltrane himself 890 00:54:12,805 --> 00:54:14,972 told McCoy Tyner, his piano player, 891 00:54:14,974 --> 00:54:17,274 that he developed the melody out of 892 00:54:17,276 --> 00:54:19,876 a speech that Martin Luther King gave. 893 00:54:19,878 --> 00:54:21,111 And today as I 894 00:54:21,113 --> 00:54:23,480 stand over the remains of these 895 00:54:23,482 --> 00:54:26,216 beautiful darling girls, 896 00:54:26,218 --> 00:54:30,387 I paraphrase the words of Shakespeare, 897 00:54:30,389 --> 00:54:33,123 goodnight sweet princesses, 898 00:54:33,125 --> 00:54:38,095 goodnight those who symbolize a new day, 899 00:54:38,097 --> 00:54:41,098 and may the flight of angels 900 00:54:41,100 --> 00:54:46,603 take thee to thy eternal rest. 901 00:54:46,605 --> 00:54:47,971 Martin Luther King, Jr., 902 00:54:47,973 --> 00:54:51,875 John Coltrane go hand in hand, hand in hand. 903 00:54:51,877 --> 00:54:54,811 Why? Because they're love warriors. 904 00:54:54,813 --> 00:54:56,113 They represent the best, 905 00:54:56,115 --> 00:54:57,648 not just of black people, not just for America. 906 00:54:57,650 --> 00:54:58,782 They represent the best 907 00:54:58,784 --> 00:55:01,285 of the human spirit. 908 00:55:01,287 --> 00:55:03,920 That song has a soul 909 00:55:03,922 --> 00:55:06,990 that lets you know that it was 910 00:55:06,992 --> 00:55:09,293 a lot of pain going on there, 911 00:55:09,295 --> 00:55:14,064 but it's something that's inspirational 912 00:55:14,066 --> 00:55:15,432 about that song. 913 00:55:15,434 --> 00:55:17,000 When you hear "Alabama," 914 00:55:17,002 --> 00:55:19,002 you feel all that struggle from 915 00:55:19,004 --> 00:55:20,103 those times, 916 00:55:20,105 --> 00:55:22,539 the times of the civil rights days, 917 00:55:22,541 --> 00:55:25,375 but you also feel the progress. 918 00:55:25,377 --> 00:55:26,576 John Coltrane was 919 00:55:26,578 --> 00:55:28,045 ahead of his time. 920 00:55:28,047 --> 00:55:30,447 I don't think that his music 921 00:55:30,449 --> 00:55:33,317 is a thermometer, it's a thermostat. 922 00:55:33,319 --> 00:55:36,019 See, a thermometer just reflects the climate, 923 00:55:36,021 --> 00:55:38,355 a thermostat shapes the climate. 924 00:55:38,357 --> 00:55:40,023 So when you hear "Alabama," 925 00:55:40,025 --> 00:55:43,393 it's not just his deep love 926 00:55:43,395 --> 00:55:44,961 of the precious four girls who were 927 00:55:44,963 --> 00:55:47,097 killed by cowardly white supremacists 928 00:55:47,099 --> 00:55:49,299 in 16th Street Baptist Church, 929 00:55:49,301 --> 00:55:51,301 it's not just a refiguration 930 00:55:51,303 --> 00:55:53,036 musically of certain speech patterns 931 00:55:53,038 --> 00:55:55,105 of Martin Luther King, Jr. 932 00:55:55,107 --> 00:55:57,040 He's looking at black people all the 933 00:55:57,042 --> 00:56:00,043 way down the road. 934 00:56:05,351 --> 00:56:08,318 He's already telling us you're gonna need courage, 935 00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,053 vision, and most importantly, 936 00:56:10,055 --> 00:56:13,123 love at the center of it. 937 00:56:15,094 --> 00:56:16,293 As black people, 938 00:56:16,295 --> 00:56:19,463 we've been through a lot in this country, 939 00:56:19,465 --> 00:56:21,264 and we stay hopeful, 940 00:56:21,266 --> 00:56:23,333 and that's what I feel in "Alabama" 941 00:56:23,335 --> 00:56:25,569 is the pain we went through, 942 00:56:25,571 --> 00:56:28,605 but the hope that we have. 943 00:57:06,445 --> 00:57:08,111 It was at night 944 00:57:08,113 --> 00:57:09,346 when all of a sudden the voices 945 00:57:09,348 --> 00:57:11,181 got louder and louder and louder, 946 00:57:11,183 --> 00:57:15,051 and I'm like, "Uh-oh. 947 00:57:15,053 --> 00:57:18,388 Oh dear. What is going on?" 948 00:57:32,304 --> 00:57:33,370 It's hard to know 949 00:57:33,372 --> 00:57:34,571 specifically what was happening in 950 00:57:34,573 --> 00:57:36,206 John Coltrane's personal life 951 00:57:36,208 --> 00:57:38,208 in the early '60s, 952 00:57:38,210 --> 00:57:40,243 but certainly there's indications that 953 00:57:40,245 --> 00:57:41,778 he was not that happy with 954 00:57:41,780 --> 00:57:45,482 his marriage to Naima. 955 00:57:45,484 --> 00:57:47,050 They didn't know 956 00:57:47,052 --> 00:57:50,120 I was sitting around the bend 957 00:57:50,122 --> 00:57:51,254 of the stairway, 958 00:57:51,256 --> 00:57:55,158 but I could hear everything. 959 00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,194 Neither one of my parents were arguers, 960 00:57:57,196 --> 00:58:01,064 so when that argument erupted, 961 00:58:01,066 --> 00:58:02,632 I knew something was really, 962 00:58:02,634 --> 00:58:07,103 really, really bad, and, um, 963 00:58:07,105 --> 00:58:12,108 that was the, the day he left... 964 00:58:12,110 --> 00:58:14,578 but he came back and he talked to me. 965 00:58:14,580 --> 00:58:15,712 He said, "There are things 966 00:58:15,714 --> 00:58:18,448 "going on I can't explain. 967 00:58:18,450 --> 00:58:20,617 "I love you very much. 968 00:58:20,619 --> 00:58:22,385 "You're my daughter. 969 00:58:22,387 --> 00:58:25,255 I'll always take care of you," 970 00:58:25,257 --> 00:58:27,524 and that was it. 971 00:58:51,717 --> 00:58:53,116 My mother, 972 00:58:53,118 --> 00:58:55,151 Alice McCloud, at the time, 973 00:58:55,153 --> 00:58:57,220 was playing with a vibraphonist 974 00:58:57,222 --> 00:58:58,321 named Terry Gibbs, 975 00:58:58,323 --> 00:58:59,656 and they were doing a double bill 976 00:58:59,658 --> 00:59:02,158 with John Coltrane's Quartet at 977 00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:03,460 the original Birdland on 978 00:59:03,462 --> 00:59:06,162 52nd Street in New York City. 979 00:59:06,164 --> 00:59:07,998 They noticed each other, 980 00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,700 and it was a little bit like, you know, 981 00:59:10,702 --> 00:59:13,370 there's a young lady here and, oh, 982 00:59:13,372 --> 00:59:14,738 she's a pianist. 983 00:59:14,740 --> 00:59:17,173 John definitely stuck around to hear 984 00:59:17,175 --> 00:59:19,309 a little bit of her playing 985 00:59:19,311 --> 00:59:20,610 and admired that. 986 00:59:22,781 --> 00:59:24,214 Something in the 987 00:59:24,216 --> 00:59:27,250 sound of his tenor caught her ear, 988 00:59:27,252 --> 00:59:30,520 and, uh, at one point in between 989 00:59:30,522 --> 00:59:31,755 the breaks of the band, 990 00:59:31,757 --> 00:59:34,257 my father started to follow my mother 991 00:59:34,259 --> 00:59:36,660 around the club with his horn. 992 00:59:38,263 --> 00:59:41,264 So he was serenading her through the club, 993 00:59:41,266 --> 00:59:42,399 and I guess at that point, 994 00:59:42,401 --> 00:59:45,268 they began to sit and have conversations. 995 00:59:47,372 --> 00:59:48,438 They spoke, 996 00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:49,940 they had a lot of things in common 997 00:59:49,942 --> 00:59:51,508 when they spoke. 998 00:59:52,778 --> 00:59:54,311 I just remember my 999 00:59:54,313 --> 00:59:57,781 mother saying that he's a very, 1000 00:59:57,783 --> 01:00:00,517 just a very kind, gracious person, 1001 01:00:00,519 --> 01:00:02,586 a very decent man, 1002 01:00:02,588 --> 01:00:05,188 and they hit it off very well. 1003 01:00:17,235 --> 01:00:18,468 She was interested 1004 01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:19,569 in the harp, 1005 01:00:19,571 --> 01:00:23,473 and he bought her a concert-size harp. 1006 01:00:23,475 --> 01:00:27,243 Beautiful, it's painted in gold, 1007 01:00:27,245 --> 01:00:28,311 you know, like a real, 1008 01:00:28,313 --> 01:00:30,280 like what an orchestra would have. 1009 01:00:31,984 --> 01:00:33,383 I think that's true love- 1010 01:00:34,453 --> 01:00:36,386 When someone buys you a harp. 1011 01:00:42,694 --> 01:00:44,260 They're both gentle people, 1012 01:00:44,262 --> 01:00:47,230 I think perfectly paired by the universe. 1013 01:00:53,338 --> 01:00:54,704 John Coltrane used 1014 01:00:54,706 --> 01:00:57,273 to leave little notes, little poems expressing 1015 01:00:57,275 --> 01:01:01,277 his love for Alice around the home. 1016 01:01:01,279 --> 01:01:02,278 He would leave for the gig, 1017 01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:03,513 you know, she would come back 1018 01:01:03,515 --> 01:01:04,981 to the house and she would find these 1019 01:01:04,983 --> 01:01:06,683 little messages, 1020 01:01:06,685 --> 01:01:08,385 and I don't think the romance ever left 1021 01:01:08,387 --> 01:01:11,354 John and Alice's relationship. 1022 01:01:18,730 --> 01:01:19,829 You know, 1023 01:01:19,831 --> 01:01:21,297 he was married before, 1024 01:01:21,299 --> 01:01:22,499 and for whatever reason, 1025 01:01:22,501 --> 01:01:25,368 did not have any children with Naima. 1026 01:01:26,505 --> 01:01:29,439 Clearly when he met my mom, 1027 01:01:29,441 --> 01:01:32,375 they, uh, they didn't waste much time. 1028 01:01:33,478 --> 01:01:35,378 In a very short span, 1029 01:01:35,380 --> 01:01:36,913 three sons were born. 1030 01:01:39,885 --> 01:01:41,818 He was an only child, and his father 1031 01:01:41,820 --> 01:01:44,421 was an only child, as well, 1032 01:01:44,423 --> 01:01:45,655 so I think maybe there- 1033 01:01:45,657 --> 01:01:48,291 it was something that he wanted to do in, 1034 01:01:48,293 --> 01:01:49,959 in his lifetime to father children, 1035 01:01:49,961 --> 01:01:51,227 and I think it, 1036 01:01:51,229 --> 01:01:52,495 I think it made him extremely happy. 1037 01:02:46,351 --> 01:02:47,550 John Coltrane has 1038 01:02:47,552 --> 01:02:50,854 set aside some time, and he secludes 1039 01:02:50,856 --> 01:02:52,622 himself above the garage in his 1040 01:02:52,624 --> 01:02:55,525 house at Dix Hills, Long Island, 1041 01:02:55,527 --> 01:03:00,764 to put together what he sees as a suite. 1042 01:03:00,766 --> 01:03:02,298 He doesn't know how it's gonna go. 1043 01:03:02,300 --> 01:03:04,267 He has some loose melodies, 1044 01:03:04,269 --> 01:03:06,236 some ideas. 1045 01:03:06,238 --> 01:03:08,505 Mrs. Coltrane tells the story about 1046 01:03:08,507 --> 01:03:09,672 him coming down and grabbing little 1047 01:03:09,674 --> 01:03:12,475 bits of food now and again, 1048 01:03:12,477 --> 01:03:14,577 and then disappearing for a whole day. 1049 01:03:14,579 --> 01:03:17,413 This is just after John, Jr. is born, 1050 01:03:17,415 --> 01:03:20,483 so she's got her four year old daughter, 1051 01:03:20,485 --> 01:03:21,785 and an infant, 1052 01:03:21,787 --> 01:03:24,320 and a disappeared husband. 1053 01:03:24,322 --> 01:03:26,022 And she said he was upstairs. 1054 01:03:26,024 --> 01:03:28,725 It was like two weeks he was up there, 1055 01:03:28,727 --> 01:03:31,461 and she always related these stories 1056 01:03:31,463 --> 01:03:34,063 to us, you know, in a, in a happy way, 1057 01:03:34,065 --> 01:03:36,432 that what he was doing was significant 1058 01:03:36,434 --> 01:03:37,967 and important and she understood 1059 01:03:37,969 --> 01:03:41,437 that as if he was on a mission 1060 01:03:41,439 --> 01:03:43,873 and she was there to support it. 1061 01:03:45,410 --> 01:03:46,509 A few days later, 1062 01:03:46,511 --> 01:03:47,944 he comes down the stairs, 1063 01:03:47,946 --> 01:03:49,479 and as Mrs. Coltrane put it, 1064 01:03:49,481 --> 01:03:51,514 it was like Moses coming 1065 01:03:51,516 --> 01:03:53,783 down from the mountain. 1066 01:03:53,785 --> 01:03:56,119 And for once, the guy who really 1067 01:03:56,121 --> 01:03:58,054 thought and re-thought 1068 01:03:58,056 --> 01:04:00,423 about music seemed very satisfied 1069 01:04:00,425 --> 01:04:02,559 with where he was with his project 1070 01:04:02,561 --> 01:04:05,061 and his words to Mrs. Coltrane were, 1071 01:04:05,063 --> 01:04:07,764 "It's the first time I have everything ready. 1072 01:04:07,766 --> 01:04:10,466 "I've completed the project on paper. 1073 01:04:10,468 --> 01:04:11,868 "I know exactly what I'm gonna do 1074 01:04:11,870 --> 01:04:13,703 in the studio." 1075 01:04:40,298 --> 01:04:42,498 All praise to God. 1076 01:04:42,500 --> 01:04:45,835 This album is a humble offering to him, 1077 01:04:45,837 --> 01:04:50,039 an attempt to say, thank you, God. 1078 01:04:50,041 --> 01:04:51,908 Through our work, even as we do 1079 01:04:51,910 --> 01:04:55,812 through our hearts and with our tongues, 1080 01:04:55,814 --> 01:04:57,981 may He help and strengthen all 1081 01:04:57,983 --> 01:05:01,117 men in every good endeavor. 1082 01:05:03,221 --> 01:05:04,487 It's the individual 1083 01:05:04,489 --> 01:05:08,458 expression of a, um, 1084 01:05:08,460 --> 01:05:11,594 a musical titan who wants to give 1085 01:05:11,596 --> 01:05:13,463 a certain message to the world 1086 01:05:13,465 --> 01:05:14,597 in light of his own 1087 01:05:14,599 --> 01:05:16,933 relationship to God. 1088 01:05:39,925 --> 01:05:41,057 "A Love Supreme" 1089 01:05:41,059 --> 01:05:42,625 is something I think every great 1090 01:05:42,627 --> 01:05:45,561 musician aspires to, which is finding 1091 01:05:45,563 --> 01:05:48,798 that one moment or that one song 1092 01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:49,999 or that one recording, 1093 01:05:50,001 --> 01:05:51,601 that one album which really kind 1094 01:05:51,603 --> 01:05:54,103 of encapsulates everything that they are, 1095 01:05:54,105 --> 01:05:55,805 what their message is. 1096 01:06:09,554 --> 01:06:11,020 The thing about "A Love Supreme", 1097 01:06:11,022 --> 01:06:13,690 all of Trane's mysticism is in it. 1098 01:06:13,692 --> 01:06:15,124 The totality of his consciousness 1099 01:06:15,126 --> 01:06:18,761 expresses itself most fully on that record. 1100 01:06:18,763 --> 01:06:20,730 I don't even think he knew why. 1101 01:06:20,732 --> 01:06:22,699 Sometimes in the life of artists or people 1102 01:06:22,701 --> 01:06:23,766 who search and practice 1103 01:06:23,768 --> 01:06:25,768 and study and work on stuff, 1104 01:06:25,770 --> 01:06:28,604 they find things and it's, it's in there, 1105 01:06:28,606 --> 01:06:31,607 and, and, uh, it was in there. 1106 01:06:41,619 --> 01:06:42,685 The second piece 1107 01:06:42,687 --> 01:06:45,688 on there is the one that touches me. 1108 01:07:01,973 --> 01:07:06,209 That's the one that touches me, that melody. 1109 01:07:06,211 --> 01:07:07,810 Where does it take you? 1110 01:07:07,812 --> 01:07:09,712 It takes me to heaven 1111 01:07:09,714 --> 01:07:13,616 where I want to be when I leave here. 1112 01:07:16,254 --> 01:07:17,320 That's it, isn't it? 1113 01:07:40,745 --> 01:07:42,578 And the audacity 1114 01:07:42,580 --> 01:07:45,048 that someone would absolutely speak 1115 01:07:45,050 --> 01:07:48,918 to the heavens using a jazz group, 1116 01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:51,421 it speaks to the singularity of 1117 01:07:51,423 --> 01:07:53,890 John Coltrane's vision. 1118 01:07:53,892 --> 01:07:55,091 I think I've played 1119 01:07:55,093 --> 01:07:56,292 that album more than I've played any other 1120 01:07:56,294 --> 01:07:58,728 album in my life. 1121 01:07:58,730 --> 01:08:01,264 When somebody's music is that uplifting, 1122 01:08:01,266 --> 01:08:02,765 it's something angelic about it, 1123 01:08:02,767 --> 01:08:04,767 it's something that just touches you 1124 01:08:04,769 --> 01:08:06,769 in your spirit where you're like 1125 01:08:06,771 --> 01:08:10,139 I know this is coming from another place. 1126 01:08:11,576 --> 01:08:14,110 I just thought, "Oh, my God. 1127 01:08:14,112 --> 01:08:16,779 "You know, this guy, 1128 01:08:16,781 --> 01:08:23,453 "his mind and his heart is so- 1129 01:08:23,455 --> 01:08:26,289 "they're in a place that everybody 1130 01:08:26,291 --> 01:08:29,125 ought to reach for." 1131 01:08:40,705 --> 01:08:42,071 May we never forget 1132 01:08:42,073 --> 01:08:44,740 that in the sunshine of our lives, 1133 01:08:44,742 --> 01:08:48,177 through the storm and after the rain, 1134 01:08:48,179 --> 01:08:54,217 it is all with God, in all ways and forever. 1135 01:08:54,219 --> 01:08:56,819 All praise to God. 1136 01:12:16,528 --> 01:12:18,094 I myself don't recognize 1137 01:12:18,096 --> 01:12:19,295 the word jazz. 1138 01:12:19,297 --> 01:12:21,230 I mean we're sold under this name, 1139 01:12:21,232 --> 01:12:23,933 but to me, the word doesn't exist. 1140 01:12:23,935 --> 01:12:28,237 I just feel that I play John Coltrane. 1141 01:12:33,812 --> 01:12:35,745 I think the main thing a musician would 1142 01:12:35,747 --> 01:12:39,248 like to do is give a picture to the listener 1143 01:12:39,250 --> 01:12:41,784 of the many wonderful things he knows of 1144 01:12:41,786 --> 01:12:44,454 and senses in the universe. 1145 01:12:44,456 --> 01:12:46,456 That's what music is to me. 1146 01:12:46,458 --> 01:12:49,592 It's just another way of saying this is a big, 1147 01:12:49,594 --> 01:12:52,762 beautiful universe we live in that's been 1148 01:12:52,764 --> 01:12:55,898 given to us, and here's an example 1149 01:12:55,900 --> 01:12:58,167 of just how magnificent 1150 01:12:58,169 --> 01:13:01,104 and encompassing it is. 1151 01:13:03,274 --> 01:13:04,674 John Coltrane, 1152 01:13:04,676 --> 01:13:08,377 he was outward bound the way he was playing. 1153 01:13:08,379 --> 01:13:11,080 He could get in his spaceship, 1154 01:13:11,082 --> 01:13:13,316 metaphorically, and it could take 1155 01:13:13,318 --> 01:13:15,318 him anywhere he wanted to go. 1156 01:13:16,654 --> 01:13:18,321 That's the way he was. 1157 01:13:20,325 --> 01:13:21,491 One of the most incredible 1158 01:13:21,493 --> 01:13:23,760 chapters in John Coltrane's 1159 01:13:23,762 --> 01:13:26,262 life is 1965, 'cause he has achieved 1160 01:13:26,264 --> 01:13:28,531 a level of success that includes 1161 01:13:28,533 --> 01:13:30,366 Grammy nominations. 1162 01:13:30,368 --> 01:13:31,467 He's been inducted into the 1163 01:13:31,469 --> 01:13:33,336 "Downbeat" Hall of Fame, 1164 01:13:33,338 --> 01:13:35,805 one of the very first living 1165 01:13:35,807 --> 01:13:39,408 jazz musicians to be afforded that honor. 1166 01:13:39,410 --> 01:13:43,346 He has an outstanding best-selling album in 1167 01:13:43,348 --> 01:13:45,882 "A Love Supreme." 1168 01:13:45,884 --> 01:13:47,617 There's an awareness that is starting 1169 01:13:47,619 --> 01:13:52,722 to creep into all levels of music fandom, 1170 01:13:52,724 --> 01:13:55,925 and he starts to dismantle that because 1171 01:13:55,927 --> 01:13:59,362 he is now gonna try new musical ideas, 1172 01:13:59,364 --> 01:14:01,631 musical ideas that are not popular, 1173 01:14:01,633 --> 01:14:05,201 musical ideas that challenge most ears, 1174 01:14:05,203 --> 01:14:07,303 musical ideas that in effect will 1175 01:14:07,305 --> 01:14:10,306 take apart his classic quartet. 1176 01:14:10,308 --> 01:14:12,441 By the end of 1965, 1177 01:14:12,443 --> 01:14:15,478 he will lose Elvin Jones and McCoy Tyner 1178 01:14:15,480 --> 01:14:17,313 because of this new path that he's 1179 01:14:17,315 --> 01:14:19,315 going along, and he will replace 1180 01:14:19,317 --> 01:14:21,851 them with a very young drummer 1181 01:14:21,853 --> 01:14:24,320 named Rashied Ali from Philadelphia 1182 01:14:24,322 --> 01:14:27,557 and his wife Alice Coltrane on piano, 1183 01:14:27,559 --> 01:14:28,958 and he'll expand the band 1184 01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:30,393 and bring in a second horn 1185 01:14:30,395 --> 01:14:32,528 with Pharaoh Sanders. 1186 01:14:32,530 --> 01:14:33,796 Here's the thing. 1187 01:14:33,798 --> 01:14:36,332 John Coltrane went from bebop to 1188 01:14:36,334 --> 01:14:40,469 Miles Davis quintet, modern cool, 1189 01:14:40,471 --> 01:14:42,672 to his own quartet. 1190 01:14:42,674 --> 01:14:45,241 He went the whole transition, 1191 01:14:45,243 --> 01:14:46,742 so he could play standards. 1192 01:14:46,744 --> 01:14:50,847 He had the right to go out as far as he wanted. 1193 01:14:50,849 --> 01:14:52,348 John Coltrane's sound 1194 01:14:52,350 --> 01:14:54,951 rearranges molecular structure. 1195 01:14:54,953 --> 01:14:57,353 People were like... "What?" 1196 01:15:14,205 --> 01:15:15,371 Some said that he 1197 01:15:15,373 --> 01:15:18,574 was taking jazz in the wrong direction, 1198 01:15:18,576 --> 01:15:21,043 which was of course, a lie. 1199 01:15:21,045 --> 01:15:22,845 He's taking it forward 1200 01:15:22,847 --> 01:15:25,815 and the reason you're not aware of it, 1201 01:15:25,817 --> 01:15:28,451 because you've never heard it before. 1202 01:15:29,954 --> 01:15:31,454 Coltrane was definitely 1203 01:15:31,456 --> 01:15:34,523 one of the scientists of the saxophone, 1204 01:15:34,525 --> 01:15:35,791 someone who was pushing the instrument 1205 01:15:35,793 --> 01:15:37,994 to its limit, kind of what Jimi Hendrix 1206 01:15:37,996 --> 01:15:40,796 would later do with the electric guitar. 1207 01:15:46,004 --> 01:15:47,904 I don't care what the critics say. 1208 01:15:47,906 --> 01:15:49,572 If you like it, you like it. 1209 01:15:49,574 --> 01:15:52,475 If you don't, you don't. 1210 01:15:54,746 --> 01:15:57,213 He may have been reaching for something 1211 01:15:57,215 --> 01:16:01,851 else spiritually that they don't understand. 1212 01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:20,767 Would you want him to tiptoe, to, 1213 01:16:20,769 --> 01:16:23,369 to where he's trying to get, you know? 1214 01:16:23,371 --> 01:16:26,606 It, you know, John Coltrane is, 1215 01:16:26,608 --> 01:16:28,274 you know, he's mean. 1216 01:16:56,204 --> 01:16:57,270 You know, 1217 01:16:57,272 --> 01:16:58,604 I don't understand it. 1218 01:16:58,606 --> 01:17:00,440 I'm open to it. I try to embrace it. 1219 01:17:00,442 --> 01:17:01,674 I try to follow it. 1220 01:17:14,084 --> 01:17:16,284 But it's not the kind of, uh, 1221 01:17:16,286 --> 01:17:17,285 music I would just sit there 1222 01:17:17,287 --> 01:17:18,553 and listen to all the time. 1223 01:17:18,555 --> 01:17:21,256 I got to really gotta zero in, 1224 01:17:21,258 --> 01:17:24,359 and I still don't fully grasp what's going on. 1225 01:17:44,739 --> 01:17:46,405 Later when I saw 1226 01:17:46,407 --> 01:17:48,140 him play, I would say half 1227 01:17:48,142 --> 01:17:52,778 the audience left before it was over. 1228 01:17:52,780 --> 01:17:55,314 They just didn't know they were 1229 01:17:55,316 --> 01:17:59,218 witnessing something ahead of its time, 1230 01:17:59,220 --> 01:18:01,286 something spiritual but cathartic 1231 01:18:01,288 --> 01:18:05,224 and tumultuous, and I just ate it up. 1232 01:18:05,226 --> 01:18:07,226 He could go to Mars. 1233 01:18:07,228 --> 01:18:08,627 I'm with him. 1234 01:18:14,935 --> 01:18:16,235 I have no fear about my music being 1235 01:18:16,237 --> 01:18:18,003 too way out. 1236 01:18:18,005 --> 01:18:19,672 My goals remain the same, 1237 01:18:19,674 --> 01:18:21,373 and that is to uplift people 1238 01:18:21,375 --> 01:18:24,209 as much as I can to inspire 1239 01:18:24,211 --> 01:18:27,613 them to realize more and more of their 1240 01:18:27,615 --> 01:18:32,184 capacities for living meaningful lives 1241 01:18:32,186 --> 01:18:36,255 because there certainly is meaning to life. 1242 01:19:32,983 --> 01:19:34,449 I was a first year student 1243 01:19:34,451 --> 01:19:38,153 in junior high school when it happened. 1244 01:19:46,098 --> 01:19:48,732 I saw the flash and gazed at the center 1245 01:19:48,734 --> 01:19:51,635 of that overpowering light. 1246 01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:03,573 The Earth was shaking. 1247 01:20:03,575 --> 01:20:07,310 The heat was intense. 1248 01:20:07,312 --> 01:20:10,447 Much of Nagasaki vanished. 1249 01:20:10,449 --> 01:20:14,017 Perhaps as many as 75,000 people 1250 01:20:14,019 --> 01:20:18,622 died instantly, and another 75,000 1251 01:20:18,624 --> 01:20:20,624 were wounded and exposed to 1252 01:20:20,626 --> 01:20:25,495 massive radiation and an uncertain future. 1253 01:20:37,042 --> 01:20:40,010 I dislike war. Period. 1254 01:20:40,012 --> 01:20:42,679 So therefore, as far as I'm concerned, 1255 01:20:42,681 --> 01:20:44,781 it should stop. 1256 01:20:58,530 --> 01:21:02,265 It was July 14th, 1966, 1257 01:21:02,267 --> 01:21:04,901 when I went to pick up John Coltrane 1258 01:21:04,903 --> 01:21:07,904 and his musicians at the train station. 1259 01:21:07,906 --> 01:21:11,308 Everyone came out except Coltrane. 1260 01:21:11,310 --> 01:21:13,977 I looked all over for him and found him 1261 01:21:13,979 --> 01:21:18,481 in a car of the express train playing the flute. 1262 01:21:18,483 --> 01:21:20,483 I was so surprised. 1263 01:21:20,485 --> 01:21:24,621 Then he looked at me and grinned. 1264 01:21:24,623 --> 01:21:26,556 I asked him a question, 1265 01:21:26,558 --> 01:21:29,159 "Why were you playing the flute?" 1266 01:21:29,161 --> 01:21:30,961 He said that he was searching 1267 01:21:30,963 --> 01:21:34,931 for the sound of Nagasaki. 1268 01:21:34,933 --> 01:21:38,235 I was extremely moved by this. 1269 01:21:38,237 --> 01:21:40,170 I asked him if he wanted to go 1270 01:21:40,172 --> 01:21:44,941 straight to his hotel, and he said no. 1271 01:21:44,943 --> 01:21:47,410 He said he wanted to go to the atomic 1272 01:21:47,412 --> 01:21:49,946 bomb hypocenter. 1273 01:21:49,948 --> 01:21:53,149 For me, that place is sacred. 1274 01:21:53,151 --> 01:21:57,087 It's the same as a gravesite. 1275 01:22:09,868 --> 01:22:11,134 He took a wreath 1276 01:22:11,136 --> 01:22:13,336 of flowers and put it down in front 1277 01:22:13,338 --> 01:22:16,439 of the pillar, and then he stood up 1278 01:22:16,441 --> 01:22:18,208 and he prayed. 1279 01:22:18,210 --> 01:22:22,078 He was praying and looking up at the sky. 1280 01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:24,648 He just kept staring up above 1281 01:22:24,650 --> 01:22:25,982 the pillar for a 1282 01:22:25,984 --> 01:22:28,618 considerable amount of time. 1283 01:22:28,620 --> 01:22:30,120 I asked him why, 1284 01:22:30,122 --> 01:22:32,055 and he replied that he was 1285 01:22:32,057 --> 01:22:36,459 imagining the sounds, the plane, the bomb, 1286 01:22:36,461 --> 01:22:39,596 the suffering of the Japanese people. 1287 01:22:39,598 --> 01:22:42,065 I think that Coltrane had studied about 1288 01:22:42,067 --> 01:22:43,700 all of these things, 1289 01:22:43,702 --> 01:22:45,435 and for that reason, 1290 01:22:45,437 --> 01:22:48,071 he chose to come to Nagasaki on 1291 01:22:48,073 --> 01:22:51,241 his Japanese tour. 1292 01:26:19,426 --> 01:26:21,326 Coltrane's concert in 1293 01:26:21,328 --> 01:26:24,295 Nagasaki was something special. 1294 01:26:24,297 --> 01:26:26,865 I was the announcer that night. 1295 01:26:26,867 --> 01:26:30,702 The second song was "Peace on Earth." 1296 01:26:30,704 --> 01:26:32,504 He must have wanted to perform 1297 01:26:32,506 --> 01:26:35,640 that here in Nagasaki. 1298 01:26:35,642 --> 01:26:37,809 The whole concert hall was 1299 01:26:37,811 --> 01:26:40,879 totally caught up in Coltrane. 1300 01:26:40,881 --> 01:26:43,381 It was an amazing atmosphere. 1301 01:26:53,270 --> 01:26:54,269 At that time, 1302 01:26:54,271 --> 01:26:56,104 we were still so struggling from the 1303 01:26:56,106 --> 01:26:59,174 atomic bombing and many people 1304 01:26:59,176 --> 01:27:00,342 are still struggling, 1305 01:27:00,344 --> 01:27:04,713 and, uh, Coltrane was so kind to play for us. 1306 01:27:13,566 --> 01:27:15,766 Coltrane composed the song 1307 01:27:15,768 --> 01:27:17,968 "Peace on Earth" almost as 1308 01:27:17,970 --> 01:27:21,171 requiem for victim of the atomic bomb 1309 01:27:21,173 --> 01:27:26,977 as well as his wish to stop all war. 1310 01:27:57,471 --> 01:27:59,070 His passion was 1311 01:27:59,072 --> 01:28:04,142 peace and love for the universe. 1312 01:28:41,152 --> 01:28:42,184 You know, 1313 01:28:42,186 --> 01:28:43,319 the last time I talked to John 1314 01:28:43,321 --> 01:28:50,326 on the phone, his, uh, his voice sounded- 1315 01:28:52,363 --> 01:28:55,798 it sounded, uh... 1316 01:29:12,783 --> 01:29:13,949 There were indications 1317 01:29:13,951 --> 01:29:17,987 by the end of 1966 and into '67 1318 01:29:17,989 --> 01:29:19,421 that Coltrane wasn't doing well. 1319 01:29:19,423 --> 01:29:22,091 His sidemen later would report that he 1320 01:29:22,093 --> 01:29:25,427 was holding his side like he was in pain, 1321 01:29:25,429 --> 01:29:26,562 and sure enough, 1322 01:29:26,564 --> 01:29:30,399 he was later diagnosed with liver cancer. 1323 01:29:32,136 --> 01:29:34,737 At first when Coltrane died, 1324 01:29:34,739 --> 01:29:36,205 I think it was just shock. 1325 01:29:36,207 --> 01:29:38,207 I mean he was only 40, 1326 01:29:38,209 --> 01:29:41,176 and he hadn't been ill for a long time. 1327 01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:50,986 My mother did speak 1328 01:29:50,988 --> 01:29:52,354 of John's death in this way, 1329 01:29:52,356 --> 01:29:55,924 which it was, this just floored me. 1330 01:29:55,926 --> 01:30:02,131 Uh, she said it was beautiful. 1331 01:30:02,133 --> 01:30:03,465 It was warm, and the breath when 1332 01:30:03,467 --> 01:30:05,167 went out of him. 1333 01:30:05,169 --> 01:30:07,102 He was not in any pain. 1334 01:30:07,104 --> 01:30:10,973 She said at the very-this is the, the moment of transition. 1335 01:30:10,975 --> 01:30:12,941 She used the word beautiful. 1336 01:30:12,943 --> 01:30:16,078 That's what-how she revealed it to me. 1337 01:30:22,953 --> 01:30:24,219 All the things flash 1338 01:30:24,221 --> 01:30:28,957 through my mind that we had done together, 1339 01:30:28,959 --> 01:30:30,626 and I went into my apartment, 1340 01:30:30,628 --> 01:30:33,595 shut the door and cried. 1341 01:30:37,468 --> 01:30:41,103 Boy. 1342 01:30:41,105 --> 01:30:44,373 That was rough. 1343 01:30:44,375 --> 01:30:47,042 Phew. 1344 01:30:47,044 --> 01:30:50,279 That really got me, 1345 01:30:50,281 --> 01:30:52,281 and you can see it's getting me now. 1346 01:30:54,118 --> 01:30:55,617 I'm sorry. 1347 01:31:20,144 --> 01:31:21,910 I was at the funeral. 1348 01:31:21,912 --> 01:31:24,379 They wanted me to be a pallbearer, 1349 01:31:24,381 --> 01:31:28,016 and I, man, but I could not do it. 1350 01:31:28,018 --> 01:31:34,089 I looked at him in the casket 1351 01:31:34,091 --> 01:31:37,659 and the way he was embalmed and all that. 1352 01:31:39,029 --> 01:31:44,099 Only thing I recognized was his hands. 1353 01:31:50,307 --> 01:31:54,176 He had fingers that went kinda strange, 1354 01:31:54,178 --> 01:31:55,244 'cause I've been looking at his hands. 1355 01:31:55,246 --> 01:31:57,112 We'd been practicing together, 1356 01:31:57,114 --> 01:32:00,415 and that's the only thing that reminded 1357 01:32:00,417 --> 01:32:03,185 me of Trane, you know, 1358 01:32:03,187 --> 01:32:05,053 so that wasn't him. 1359 01:32:05,055 --> 01:32:09,124 He had passed on to the next place. 1360 01:32:09,126 --> 01:32:12,394 His spirit was gone. 1361 01:32:19,136 --> 01:32:22,137 John was my best friend. 1362 01:32:22,139 --> 01:32:27,075 He wasn't like 99 percent of other people. 1363 01:32:27,077 --> 01:32:29,511 He existed in the real world. 1364 01:32:29,513 --> 01:32:31,113 I mean he had a family, 1365 01:32:31,115 --> 01:32:32,214 he had kids, 1366 01:32:32,216 --> 01:32:34,216 but that's not where he was at. 1367 01:32:34,218 --> 01:32:36,185 He was not in the real world. 1368 01:32:36,187 --> 01:32:39,288 He was someplace else. 1369 01:32:39,290 --> 01:32:42,324 So he's, he's cool. 1370 01:32:42,326 --> 01:32:43,559 He's cool. 1371 01:32:43,561 --> 01:32:45,294 He was cool when he was here 1372 01:32:45,296 --> 01:32:47,262 and he's cool in the big picture. 1373 01:32:47,264 --> 01:32:49,164 He's cool. 1374 01:32:59,109 --> 01:33:00,676 Since Trane passed away, 1375 01:33:00,678 --> 01:33:03,378 his music has transcended, 1376 01:33:03,380 --> 01:33:06,582 and it's more and more known, people- 1377 01:33:06,584 --> 01:33:07,583 That type of artistic 1378 01:33:07,585 --> 01:33:09,718 achievement stays around. 1379 01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:11,186 It's mythic because of the, 1380 01:33:11,188 --> 01:33:13,188 the sacrifice involved, 1381 01:33:13,190 --> 01:33:16,024 and it will remain mythic. 1382 01:33:16,026 --> 01:33:17,192 If you go to any 1383 01:33:17,194 --> 01:33:18,660 kind of comprehensive retrospective 1384 01:33:18,662 --> 01:33:19,828 of Picasso's art, 1385 01:33:19,830 --> 01:33:21,396 it's breathtaking what he did, 1386 01:33:21,398 --> 01:33:23,131 how he went from being a very good 1387 01:33:23,133 --> 01:33:25,334 traditional painter to the blue period, 1388 01:33:25,336 --> 01:33:28,136 his abstract and then his cubist work. 1389 01:33:28,138 --> 01:33:31,106 If you think about what John Coltrane did, 1390 01:33:31,108 --> 01:33:32,441 moving through his various phases 1391 01:33:32,443 --> 01:33:34,209 of musical creativity, 1392 01:33:34,211 --> 01:33:36,111 he basically did everything Picasso 1393 01:33:36,113 --> 01:33:40,148 did in about 50 years less time, 1394 01:33:40,150 --> 01:33:42,217 and I just think that if you got any kind of 1395 01:33:42,219 --> 01:33:46,154 love for music and regard for the craft, 1396 01:33:46,156 --> 01:33:48,156 you hear three or four notes and say, 1397 01:33:48,158 --> 01:33:51,293 this man owns this horn, 1398 01:33:51,295 --> 01:33:52,928 owns this music, 1399 01:33:52,930 --> 01:33:54,730 and at least when he's playing, 1400 01:33:54,732 --> 01:33:56,765 is the master of his soul. 1401 01:33:58,168 --> 01:33:59,368 His spirit is still 1402 01:33:59,370 --> 01:34:00,936 very much alive, 1403 01:34:00,938 --> 01:34:03,505 and he's saying, "I'm gonna use music 1404 01:34:03,507 --> 01:34:06,241 "to try to convince you to grasp 1405 01:34:06,243 --> 01:34:09,611 "in time a love supreme so that you 1406 01:34:09,613 --> 01:34:12,481 "don't remain just a prisoner of time. 1407 01:34:12,483 --> 01:34:13,982 "You will be a maker, 1408 01:34:13,984 --> 01:34:16,485 a creator of a better world." 1409 01:34:16,487 --> 01:34:19,554 That is a Coltrane version of what 1410 01:34:19,556 --> 01:34:21,423 he learned in Sunday school, 1411 01:34:21,425 --> 01:34:23,258 what he was taught, that the kingdom 1412 01:34:23,260 --> 01:34:24,960 of God is within you, 1413 01:34:24,962 --> 01:34:27,195 and everywhere you go, 1414 01:34:27,197 --> 01:34:29,698 you ought to leave a little heaven behind, 1415 01:34:29,700 --> 01:34:32,701 and he left some heaven behind. 1416 01:34:34,405 --> 01:34:37,706 To be a musician is, 1417 01:34:37,708 --> 01:34:39,341 it's really something. 1418 01:34:39,343 --> 01:34:42,511 It goes very, very deep. 1419 01:34:42,513 --> 01:34:45,647 My music is the spiritual expression 1420 01:34:45,649 --> 01:34:47,249 of what I am. 1421 01:34:47,251 --> 01:34:51,520 My faith, my knowledge, my being. 1422 01:34:51,522 --> 01:34:54,189 I know that there are bad forces. 1423 01:34:54,191 --> 01:34:55,524 I know that there are forces out here 1424 01:34:55,526 --> 01:34:57,659 that bring suffering to others 1425 01:34:57,661 --> 01:34:59,728 and misery to the world, 1426 01:34:59,730 --> 01:35:02,764 but I want to be the opposite force. 1427 01:35:02,766 --> 01:35:10,172 I want to be the force which is truly for good. 100315

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