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"...in previous episodes" -
"My father was explaining to me" -

I will live in the house
Several nights of the week

And I asked him what he meant.
“I thought I was going to live in a student dormitory

"And at that moment"

All the dreams that I pinned my hopes on
To escape from the house

"It's all crushed"

None of the (Hollywood) mystery stories have gone through
This dramatic turn

More than what he described to the police
of a brutal murder in Beverly Hills

The two victims were a man and his wife

Help finance successful movies like Rambo
(First Blood), Part Two and (Red Heat

"Today at about 1:20 p.m."

Beverly Hills police arrested.
Joseph Lyle Menendez, 22 years old

In (Los Angeles), the brothers replied
On the accusation that they are innocent

The question is not who killed Jose
and (Mary Louise Menendez)

We'll focus all our evidence on why they were killed

We considered the abuse excuse to kill
silly defense

51 witnesses!

I don't think I've heard of that before
In a case of abuse

If you ignore Kitty
I went to that door and knocked on it

I got so angry that she could protect her two children
and she didn't

Were you asking him not to do that?

yes -
How did you ask him to? -

...I told him I'm not

You broke everyone's hearts in court

Everyone, everyone

(September 27, 1993, Eric's testimony date.)

“I remember being terrified to testify.”

"I was so scared"

I was so scared that the day
"Which I was supposed to testify about

I took my Xanax and Lyle's pills.

"I couldn't stand it"

They had to cancel my testimony on the first day."
"Because of that

Then I was monitored when I took Xanax.”
“After that, because my tension was high

The prosecution concludes its case
At the Menendez brothers' trial

Eric, the younger brother of the two brothers.
who confessed to killing their parents

He was on the podium
He was severely investigated

About his claim that the two murders
They came after years of sexual abuse

(Eric Gillen Menendez)
"m, j, n, j, n, d, j, g"

I remember when I sat on the podium
"I couldn't say anything.

"I... that was awful."

And then, I started to include myself.

What is the original reason, do you think?

who made you and your brother
You kill your parents in the end?

...when I told

When told what?

...when I told Lyle that

When you told Lyle what?

Did you tell Lyle about something that was going on?

...My Father

...My Father

I remember when I sat on the podium
"I'm starting to lose control of myself

I started describing what my father was doing to me.”
“Since I was a kid

And I began to gather the ability to talk about it.”
"But I couldn't think

"My mind is starting to stop"

Can you answer the question? -
yes -

Well, what did you say to Lyle?

My dad was raping me

...And

Did you want something from your brother?
Is that why you told him?

I just wanted it to stop

Did you ask for help from your brother? -
yes -

In the bottom of my heart, when I heard that -
Judy Baskerville, former journalist.

If I don't look at it with the eyes of a journalist

...and become a member of the jury

I believed him

I just believed it

I'm Eric Menendez

I'm talking to you from Donovan Prison.
In California, near the Mexican border

I served a life sentence.”
Without the possibility of being released

I heard many stories about my life.
"in the media

But these stories are fiction.

I think it's time for people to hear the truth from me."
“Without court restrictions

You might think you know my story.
“But that is not possible

'Cause I'm going to tell it to you now for the first time.

How did you feel when you were 18 years old?
About the fact that your dad has sex with you?

I hated it

I hated it, I hated it

I believed them directly, I believed them -
Al Anderson, Kate's nephew.

Because of the sounds I've been hearing
coming out of the room

And that Kitty wouldn't let me
Going down the aisle to find out what's going on

I wasn't allowed to see the boys
After they leave the bedroom

All these different things made me believe

...then I said to myself

That bastard did what they said."
In that bedroom

I wanted to end sex with my dad

Did you have an expectation?
about how this happened?

yes -
What did you expect? -

I was going to university

And how was that going to end sex with your father?

I would stay away from him
I will not stay at home after that

I found the testimony of the two boys, Lyle and Eric.
Betty Oldfield, alternate juror.

It was impressive and believable

So much so that I couldn't form another opinion
Only they are telling the truth

Why would someone say what they said?
If this isn't real?

I couldn't believe what Lyle and Eric said.
Christopher Darden, the attorney general's office.

There was talk of mom and dad
Incest and rape

We are upset because of the way they are
Talking about their deceased parents

He said he asked me not to tell Lyle
And he warned me not to

He said Lyle will tell everyone now
This will be my fault

He said Lyle would tell everyone
He will not allow it

October 8, 1993"
The ninth day of Eric's testimony

I took 9 days to testify.

That means 9 nights and 9 mornings.
"Waiting to ascend to the certification platform

It was passing day by day."
And I tell secrets

of the most shameful and dreadful events.”
"For the whole world

who was watching me live on tv
“It seemed to be endless

There was weeping and wailing -
Les Zoller, retired detective.

Some of the jurors were crying too

Then I said, 'We have problems here.'

The longer it takes
And the more people testify

And the more the defendants testified -
Hazel Thornton, juror.

I believed their story more

"After a trial that lasted almost 5 months"

Lawyers will have their last chance.”
To conclude the case

This is called the final pleading.

December 8, 1993"
Closing arguments begin

This is a premeditated murder of two people
Premeditated

They cared for their children
They may not be perfect

But they are human beings, and they had a right to life

The prosecution finds that sexual assault

Said to make parents look bad

So much so that you don't even care that they're dead

Was Mr. Koriyama on the tennis court
at five in the morning

When he was 10 years old

Where he was pinged for 3 hours?

Then he went to school
Then take to more tennis courts

To spend more hours of stress

Then he came home to dinner
Which was like Jypurdy

To be subjected to more pressure and abuse

Then he had to satisfy his father's deviations and then
Doing his homework until ten at night?

And he wants to talk about this kid
And about that it does not work?

You will be given instructions on what is known
In self-defense

What that means is that
When someone feels very afraid

real fear

Than he will be killed or as in this case
He will be raped

That person, if he acts to defend himself,

He can only be convicted of manslaughter

Leslie Abramson might work.
they may survive

This is the amount of doubt
who was exposed to the case

I guess we all expected
The judgment will be that they are guilty

But it only takes one juror.
Jill Garcetti, former attorney general.

To say that he believes what they say

Two juries in Los Angeles
They are negotiating the fate of the Menendez brothers

They admitted that they killed their parents
Wealthy in 1989

I can't describe the feeling to you."
To be your life

"In the hands of people you don't know"

I didn't know what they thought."
"And who do they believe?

December 15, 1993, January 13, 1994
The jury deliberations in the Eric case

"It was strange and painful."

"Waiting for the jury's decision day after day"

While I was sitting in my cell
"I don't know what's going on

It immediately became clear that men were against women

The men in our body had a hard time
in accepting the hypothesis

that you have two teenage boys
They may be abused by their parents

I can't believe the Menendez brothers were raped.
Alan Dershowitz, author of Excuse for Assault

I don't think they were in imminent danger

Lots of women journalists
They believed they had been sexually assaulted

Many male journalists and photographers
They didn't believe

They thought it was just a show

How many people do you think this country has?
Jake Cavett, presenter.

Who do they think is entitled to children who suffer?
Killing their fathers and mothers this bloody?

So, every day for a month, we were discussing

January 13, 1994"
Return of the jury, the Eric Menendez case

A poll was taken this morning
Shows that jurors believe

That there is no reasonable possibility of reaching a verdict

So, the court finds that the jury
They have reached a dead end

The lawsuit is declared null

The jury was left without a decision.
About me first

January 25, 1994"
The jury to try Lyle Menendez

We regret to inform the court."
We couldn't come to a collective decision

"on any of these three charges"

Then the jury went out without a decision.
"For my brother, too

And I remember Lyle smiling.

And I saw it on the screen."
And I said to myself, "Don't smile

Because the jury that didn't arrive
“For a decision... people thought it was a victory for us

"It was a terrible decision."

I'm disappointed, Eric is in prison
about 4 years ago

He will remain in prison for at least another year
this is miserable

It was a premeditated double murder.
Judd Nelson, Lyle's jury.

I was really surprised -
Jill Garcetti, former attorney general.

I remember shaking my head and stunned

I don't think any jury
You'll indict Eric Menendez for premeditated murder

I don't think we can come to a decision

The case is divisive, and the information abounds.
(Tom Cloonan, Menendez jury) -

I think the attorney general should finish it

She announced that the case would be returned immediately

We're talking about two murders
Two premeditated murders

I think it is political

Conduct of the Prosecutor's Office
It was a shame in this case

Given that what we know, the majority of
The jury did not support premeditated murder

Was the prosecutor's office
Embarrassed after the jury's decision? Of course

That was an embarrassment to his office

Parental abuse defense was fair -
Larry King, presenter.

And the jury believed it
At least, enough of them believed him

To the point that they don't condemn them

That ruling meant that everything."
It will be repeated again

And that the whole trial will be repeated.

The idea that we'll have to repeat it."
"In public

"It wasn't a victory in our opinion."

10 months later

There was a big delay."
"Between the end of the first trial

The beginning of the second trial.

"A delay of a year and a half"

I will set certain dates
To solve these problems without delay

"And that was a very long time."

And I was in the county jail."
“And I wanted to go back to court

Because I wanted to finish it.

Heavy pressure on the Public Prosecution Office
in Los Angeles to win this round

To get rid of humiliating long time
It lasted 10 years

We knew we wanted to win this trial

Because they committed a brutal murder

In the second trial, they changed
But they did not restrain themselves in the allegation

And they chose David Conn
who was more hostile

In this case, the death penalty
It is the appropriate punishment

David Kohn at any prosecutor's office.
in the country

He will be among the top 3 plaintiffs' attorneys

And I was so confident
Than he can handle Leslie

During the retrial
I was the attorney general with David Conn

We love to do what we do
He sends those who deserve prison to prison

I'll be honest, when David and I looked...
To the first trial, we saw a disaster

They brought David Conn
and (Carol Nahara)

I think the message they wanted to deliver
is that they brought their best

And they will stop at nothing

And luck was on their side the first time
When the jury fails to reach a decision

After the first trial
“Maybe there is a solution

Were it not for the media storm,

Because the media exaggerates everything.
And make it look exaggerated

Did you feel some success

When I managed to convince some of the jurors
at least

that child abuse
Is an excuse for murder?

No, we didn't say child abuse
It's an excuse to kill

What we said is that child abuse
There is a great fear

February 4, 1994"
(ABC Nightline Program

If there is anything that symbolizes our confusion
nationwide on this topic

It's the two unresolved juries
At the trial of Lyle and Eric Menendez

Is it a victory for compassionate justice?

Or the greatest parody of jury manipulation?
Observable?

I worry about the message this is spreading

If you can find an excuse to abuse
You can survive committing murder

The book "Excuse the offense" may underestimate the value of
What do the victims face?

I think it underestimated or ridiculed
It is neither wise nor fair

It might be unfair

Being abused
No excuse for anything

It is an explanation of what happened, and the reason for it

People's reaction was that they said
"Everyone has their problems"

And you don't have the right to shoot your parents."
“Even if you are abused

The country hated these two young men.

Not because of their identities.
(Video by Leslie Abramson)

'It's because of the characters portrayed in the media' -
(Honor the Father and Mother movie)

"which shot a much better version"

We'll bring people who think these movies are
despicable or these absurd books

That's what really happened

What is the problem please? -
"Honor the Father and Mother" movie, 1994 -

They shot and killed my parents

My God! I do not believe that -
"Sir, will you repeat that?" -

My God! Please -
"Hello, can you hear me?" -

"Are you fine?"

"WL?"

"WL" -
"I watched a TV movie" -

Released after the first trial.

No scene from that movie happened.
Menendez, crime in Beverly Hills.

What do we do now?

We have to kill him

Dominic Dunn was there
And there was a feud between him and Leslie

Dominic Dunn hated Leslie Abramson

She was the heroine of the persecuted and accused -
Roger Smith, president of Live Entertainment.

It was embodied in his view
The liberal viewpoint

I guess even though Dominic came and he
He thinks the two young men are guilty and deserve to be executed

He was very moved by their testimony

Dominic was usually on the side of the prosecution

Dan was the source for one of the two films.
The two TV presenters who produced the case

Broadcast before the second trial.

"His narrative was hostile and malicious."

Two spoiled boys killed their parents
To get the booty

"Everything has become polarized in the media"

'Because of the great interest that has been given to the case'

(And when O.J. was arrested)
"It made everything worse

I think the California prosecutor's office...
I need justification in front of the public

And they would have
At the expense of the two menendez brothers

'70s, Hertz Corporation.
(Los Angeles, California)

My dad used to work at Hertz.
O.J. Simpson and Jose Menendez.

And Hertz is the one who started a propaganda campaign."
(with O.J. Simpson

And OJ had a good relationship with my father.

And he (OJ) would come to our house.

I remember him in the back garden."
Throws the ball to Lyle

It was the presence of that famous character."
"It's important

And that's when I got to know OJ.

"He was one of my heroes during my childhood"

"June 17, 1994"

Then the famous Bronco hunt began.

I watched the chase with the rest of America.

"I was shocked"

Then he was arrested, and the door was opened at the end of the corridor.

(was (oj)
He saw me and said, "Hello, Eric."

I said, "Hey, O.J."

He was put in the cell next to me.

He stayed there for about 3 months.

O.J. didn't know anything."
About the county jail, of course

How could he know?"
“He has never been arrested before

"I hadn't been arrested either."

but at that time"
“I was in prison about 4 years ago

We talked about the court system."
"The feeling on trial

(I spoke to OJ)
About his need to get another lawyer

He was one of Leslie's best friends.
It's Johnny Cochran

In fact, they were both working in the same building.

And while I was on the phone with Leslie,
And she gave the phone to Johnny

I told OJ I'll make you talk.
To Johnny Cochran on the phone

And Johnny was a great lawyer, of course."
And it suited him

August 23, 1995, start selection"
“Jury members for the second trial

In Los Angeles, this is day two
of the jury's choice

At the retrial of Eric and Lyle Menendez
For the murder of their parents in 1989

The judge knows in the second trial
What will the defense do?

The judge was not sympathetic

He ruled out the details of the sexual assault
presented at the first trial

The judge started giving indications
That he would set limits to defense

It will limit our right to present the facts

That's exaggerated

We think we have a real problem
In obtaining a fair and impartial juror

It takes no more than that
To realize that we have a problem with the Ministry of Justice

It was his goal in that trial."
“He is getting condemned

"No doubt about it"

It was so painful to see."
“But there was nothing I could do

There was a feeling that something
Happening behind the scenes

"We didn't know about him."

"I don't know what it is"

But I know before the start of the second trial.

Judge Weisberg said he's re-examined.
Key decisions in the first trial

Then it began to be systematic and formal.
By nullifying all of his important decisions

In short, take all my defense right in front of us.

I think after the first trial

When it seemed... or at least when people said
He's unable to control Leslie Abramson

I think that had an effect on him

Do I think the judge said he wanted to
To lose the defense the second time around?

No, he had to make the right decisions

But if he thinks that these two young men
If they get away with it, it will affect the judgment

What did we ask the judge?
Is to reduce the excuse for abuse

and limitation of evidence
Which has nothing to do with this case

Reducing evidence dating back to bygone years

Because the defendants themselves do not say that they are
They said their parents mistreated them

They said they killed their parents
Because they were afraid of them

I don't know what Judge Weisberg was
thinking about

When he changed his decisions on important issues

But I know that David Conn
And Carol Nahara, get ready

They have written suggestions

You did not attend the first trial

The difference between the first and second trial
It was the judge's realization

He lost control of the first trial

And include in the evidence a certificate
It probably shouldn't have been allowed

Leslie used all methods
And the ways and I followed all the tricks

And I don't mean that in a negative way
In the manner of a skilled lawyer

She did what she had to do to make it harder for the jury
come to a decision

We weren't allowed to talk."
“About any psychological trauma we have experienced

any intimidation, threat or fear.”
"He was in the house

'Exempted from trial'

If you review all the witnesses, and say,
“They are not allowed to testify in this and that

"Because he was the judge in the first trial."

"He knew very well the important idea of our case."

It was the most important thing in the case."
"It is a history of fear of mom and dad

How can you prevent a juror from hearing something

Has it affected these two children since they were born?

That's awful, the decisions I've made
She was supporting Abramson's claim

He wants to see them convicted
And I think so

When people say Judge Weisberg
Change decisions or do something

Because he wanted to see condemnation
It is not fair to him

I think the judge's decisions
On the one hand, it was legal

But there was also general pressure

The truth is that many are angry
Because the jury didn't indict them

"It wasn't just a feeling, it was clear."

The mood was in court."
Focuses on the conviction for premeditated murder

(October 3, 1995, acquitted (OJ)

We are the jurors in the aforementioned case
We find the accused, Orenthal James Simpson

Not guilty of murder

OJ's innocence was shocking to everyone."
And for the Prosecutor's Office

October 11, 1995"
"(Menendez's) retrial began after 8 days

Our second trial has begun.
Days after receiving his innocence

Judging OJ was impressive."
Very negative on our case

I'd also like to thank the lawyers -
Christopher Darden, LAPD.

On the prosecution team

...I was honored to

It was a dark period for all court proceedings."
"(In Los Angeles

Because this verdict was shocking.

'There was a sense of a great injustice'

Now they have to correct it."
With every accused brought before them

We were the next accused.

There was a sense of despair
In the public prosecutor's office

We needed to win
We had to win

It was the attorney general's office in Los Angeles
Need to win at this point

But they had to win this case.
Lisa Bloom, attorney.

In my opinion, this was really premeditated murder

When the Prosecutor's Office loses
All of these important issues

And it was (OJ)... my God!
That was a blow to this circle

Of course, they will redouble their efforts
In pursuit of the Menendez brothers

It's a failure and an embarrassment

They will not lose this case
They won't let these guys go out

October 11, 1995, Second Trial
"The claim has begun

Contrary to the first trial
in which TV coverage was allowed

There were only still cameras."
In court this time

I think it's unfortunate
The press has the right to be there

I don't think the judge has the right to decide

The claim was very serious.
Mona Edwards, court painter) -

It was cool, thoughtful and direct

What did they use in the second trial?
It was a brutal bloody murder

It was awful, and those pictures were awful

Underestimate the value of sexual assault

The prosecution appears to be following a scheme
different this time

It is a scheme that says
Even if the Menendez brothers get abused

What difference does that make?

In general, we demonstrated the fabrication and planning -
David Kohn, the attorney general.

And we have a strong case
To prove murder because of greed

I think David Kohn's behavior is really shameful.
Daniel Lady, former judge and legal analyst)

He entered court as a hired killer

Who gave him the right to look?
Into the mind of these two young men

If they are slaves to their father?

We can't understand that

It shows a cruelty that does not serve him at all

We definitely think they're guilty

And that the law says that this
View the case and we'll do it

Because if we want to do our work in a way
True, we believed... and I still believe

The truth is that they are both guilty

November 21, 1995, retrial of Menendez.
Defense pleading begins

Again, they want to talk a lot
About abuse

The jury has to decide
What does the abuse have to do with the events of that day?

"At the first trial, testimony was permitted" -
(Voice of Leslie Abramson) -

For those relatives and friends
And teachers and others

Help us draw a picture.
For distorted family life

"About which the brothers themselves will testify"

in the second trial
Most of these witnesses were excluded

"In the guilt phase"

And he let Eric tell the horrific story himself.

I wasn't allowed to talk about Lyle
When he told me his father was touching him

I wasn't allowed to talk about it

Jill wanted me to talk
On intergenerational abuse

Because it was

But Judge Weisberg
He said it had nothing to do with the case

“The judge made a very specific decision.”

He said I should give my testimony first.”
Before any of the defense witnesses testified

So, the jury was looking at me suspiciously.

Eric had to bear a burden
The whole second trial

That was an impossible feat

It was a very emotional trial

Lots of emotional ups and downs
Eric was very touched

I was so upset when I saw him
On the witness stand crying

We don't usually see that

Most people suppress their feelings
But he didn't

After the first trial, Lyle was said to have
Tell a writer he cheated half the jury

He said he would do the same."
In the second trial

It is understood that someone agrees
to record his voice

In order to spread the story that serves him
in front of the public

Keep telling his life story

Or tell Norma Novelli the information
Which he wanted to make public

During all 25 recordings

We found a small piece of information
hurt the accused

When looking at someone like Lyle Menendez
You have to ask yourself

Is it a person?
Who would make such a stupid mistake?

And the answer to that is yes

The defense feared Lyle would admit to giving.
A statement or proof of his perjury, if denied

He did not testify at the second trial.

Without all the years of torment our relatives saw us"
We live it in our childhood

Without that certificate.

“...it would be difficult to describe the shock and horror and”

"All the bad things that happened in my house"

"It's almost impossible for me to do this on my own."

Because I might say so
"But it will only be my words

The unfairness of it was that we had a jury
You have not reached a decision

You have submitted your defense, and there will be a second trial

They got a second trial, but the judge
Knock out all of their defense, they don't have a defense anymore

...I find it strange that--
Judge Alex Kosinski -

There will be different decisions
In the second trial for the first

There have been many changes

Many of them had an effect
On the basis of success in the first trial

And I thought it was annoying

I think it should have been."
Talking about everything

All evidence he has should be taken."
The Prosecutor and Evidence for the Defense

Show it at trial.
I let the jury decide my sentence

Even for the subject of notes

There was a big shock
When it was confirmed that Leslie Abramson

I asked Dr. Vicari
to change his notes

I thought that would pass
over her entire career

When crime is this big.

'Everything must be used'

"All the evidence for the prosecution and all the evidence for the defense."

"The Good, the Bad and the Ugly"

everything, this case
My relationship with my parents since I was born

"It's all connected to it"

So, when the defense tries to rule out
'Some things, trying to claim it

"I had nothing to hide"

"I wanted the jury to decide everything."

up to the topic of notes
"Remember everything"

Yes, this question is about adding changes
on notes

Before the first trial, this suddenly appeared

Leslie has been accused of trying to influence
Certification of a psychotherapist

It caused quite a commotion

I was meeting with Leslie Abramson to get ready

Because I was due to testify

She was reviewing my notes
Hey!

"Can't be here"

"You have to cancel this."

And we were arguing about it

I told her "(Leslie), you can't cancel that
Because it's part of my notes

"It doesn't make a difference."

"You can read it any way you want."

There were phrases
Like, 'We can't stand this anymore'

Leslie said, "We have to cancel that
“Because it proves advance planning

I told her, "No, it appears that they were
“They are terrified and want to stop the abuse

Or Eric said, "I'm thinking about killing myself
"fed up

She said, "You can't keep this here
"Because it proves that he was thinking of doing something for his parents

She got angry and pointed at me

Listen, delete this from the notes."
"Otherwise, you will leave

I was having a dilemma

Because I was an essential part of the case

I mean, it was very difficult
To find a family turmoil

Nobody knows that
And he can explain it either me

So, I said to myself
"If I am not allowed to testify here"

"That would be a death sentence."

I deleted those parts of my notes

I made a second copy of the notes

(Without the article I objected to (Leslie)

Make observations in the first trial
and was used

I couldn't find notes anywhere

And Secretary (Leslie) called her and said to her

Send Dr. Vicari's notes.
To the prosecutor's office

I pulled out the file, and took the original notes

and sent it to the prosecution

When Dr. Vicari began his testimony
David started his interrogation

Leslie got up, angry

'I said we're not going to get into this,' she said
David said, "This is stated in his notes

“And when the notes are made, they must all be discussed.”

She got very angry and said, "No, it's not mentioned

And David, who was sitting next to her, leaned over to her
And he said, "Right, it's not mentioned in your notes

He told her, "Your notes are different from mine

Then he got up and said that the notes
It has been modified

I realized he has the original
of notes

The prosecutor asked, "Why?

I told him, "My defense lawyer told me

If I didn't do that"
“I will not be able to testify

And he said, 'Which defense attorney?

And I said to him, "Leslie Abramson."
Chaos in the courtroom

We're stunned by it, nobody does it
We thought she would be kicked out of the union

that was amazing
Especially when it is revealed in court

It was a dramatic moment

I did everything I could to write down and follow what's going on.
Andrew Wolfberg, juror.

At trial, my observations during trial

I think this is David Conn's interrogation
"Page 18 of Notes"

"Different in its version from the plaintiff's version"

Abramson asked to rewrite page 18.
“Because it is very harmful

So he erased some information.

That's when I started feeling something important

I was stunned, I couldn't believe what was happening

I said, 'This can't happen

We stopped the proceedings, we closed the court

...and the whole time, she was shaking her head and

And she was saying "No", very forcefully

Judge Weisberg said, "Do you want to?
Take the stage to tell us your story?

And then she used her right to remain silent
I refused it

Then, we knew something had happened

And I guess we haven't heard from Leslie Abramson
The rest of the trial

I stopped participating in the case

(Charlie Geisler) took over the defense

I think when the Vicari incident happened...
Notes have been changed

This was confirmed by the judge
In the second trial

Which is that the defense is trying
Deceive the court and the jury

At the time, I thought that would have an effect

And I thought that would be the reason
Which makes the jury sentence them to death

Weisberg wasn't going to let the jury go.
(Voice of Leslie Abramson) -

They even think about our defence.
"After they heard us building it for 4 months

That was hell

"at the end of the case"

The judge changed the instructions."
which are allowed to be given to jurors

'No self-defence allowed'

A true belief, but an illogical one.
“Your life is in danger, prevent it

He said he's not allowed to jurors."
“Even considering it

"And that decision was finally made."

He did to you"
Because he has to hear all the evidence in the case

But he was the judge in the first trial."
And he knows what will be certified

'There was nothing that could be done'

He ruined the chance for these two guys
To provide their only defense

It was a legitimate defense, it was valuable

He was talking about the essence of the issue

Weisberg told the jury they couldn't
He did nothing but convict them of premeditated murder

This is really outrageous, it is outrageous

I am completely satisfied with the court's decisions

I think I'm helping the prosecution in our efforts

To obtain a conviction for premeditated murder
In this case

I guess what he did was he made himself
The 13th juror, the one with the most influence

I think he made realistic decisions
and evaluation to determine the evidence

It is not within the jurisdiction of the judge

It is shocking and disgraceful in my opinion
to do it

The judge is still worried the jurors won't come back."
“With the required judgment.”

Defense was not allowed.
Self-deprecating

In the end, he took that from us.

In short, there is no jury left.”
Except for a conviction for premeditated murder or acquittal

March 20, 1996, fourth day
From the deliberations of the jury, a decision has been reached

It was very painful when the verdict was announced

They misjudged, and they erred because
The truth was not allowed to be revealed at the trial

It was a very sad experience

Brothers Eric and Lyle.
They did not show emotion when reading the verdict

guilty of premeditated murder"
"With special circumstances in the shooting of their parents

Jose and Kitty Menendez

“The brothers may be punished by death.”

For me, a conviction for premeditated murder
It was an emotional decision

I remember sitting there
And I said that according to what I know now

I'm very confident in what I'm doing
And I have no doubts

With all those twists and turns of the judge."
From the first trial to the second

"And not allowing him to provide half the defense"

And the problem of notes in the end then"
Not giving jurors instructions at the end

"I knew it wouldn't end well."

"And it didn't surprise me to hear the jury's guilty verdict."

"Hearing that shocked me nonetheless."

Some jurors later said,
“They believed a lot of what we told them

Even in these obstacles.
That was put in front of the defense

Especially about sexual assault.

But it seems even the most sympathetic of the jurors."
They found no legal justification

"For any sentence less than premeditated murder"

When Attorney General Gail Garcetti heard...
Conviction

He raised his fist in sign of victory

Kon is not a hero here

He can show off as he wants
He can believe that he has won

No victory, no one
Even Mickey Mouse would have won the case

With Weissberg's decisions

On Monday, the punishment phase will begin
from trial

And that will determine if it's Eric
and Lyle Menendez

They will be sentenced to life imprisonment
Or the death penalty?

When it was decided that it was murder
...it's hard to accept the idea that

that sexual assault
He was a factor in the murder

The assault defense was supposed to be used
sexual intercourse with two children

Especially in the penalty setting stage

turn into someone else
When you were abused in childhood

It affects the psyche
We can't pretend it doesn't affect her

And I know today

After representing dozens of people
Over the years who have been sexually assaulted

That has a very profound effect

April 11, 1996
Closing arguments for pronouncement of judgment

I knew the closing arguments
It was emotional, as we expected

Yes, very, in fact, the last argument
(Provided by Lyle's attorney, Gary Geisler

He looked like he was about to cry
The emotion was evident in his voice

And he's defending Lyle Menendez's life

The prosecutor actually looked angry

He was screaming in the hall
Refers to Lyle Menendez

He says his eyes are black and empty
of expression, and that his eyes must die

He referred to Eric Menendez and called him a liar
He said he was always a liar

But he has no tricks now

So, the prosecution wants the death penalty

And of course, the defense begs for mercy

Not knowing if they'd let me."
"To stay alive, or will they condemn me to death?"

"I didn't know which was worse, and which was better."

"Life in prison forever or execution?"