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-[man VO] Ladies and gentlemen.
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I'm very pleased to
present to you...Jimmy Baldwin.
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[applause and cheers]
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-I'll tell you a
story, if I may.
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Many years ago, when
I first came to London...
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I was in the British
Museum, naturally...
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[laughter]
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and one of the West
Indians who worked there
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struck up a
conversation with me
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and wanted to
know where I was from.
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And I told him I
was from Harlem.
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And that answer
didn't satisfy him.
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And I didn't
understand what he meant.
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"I was born in Harlem, I
was born in Harlem Hospital,"
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I said.
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"I was born in New York."
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None of these answers
satisfied him and he said,
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"Where was your mother born?"
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And I said, "She was
born in Maryland."
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And I could see, though
I didn't understand it,
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that he was growing more
and more disgusted with me.
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He was becoming more
and more impatient.
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"Where was your father born?"
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"My father was
born in New Orleans."
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"Yes," he said.
"But, man, where were you born?"
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[light laughter]
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And I began to get it, you know?
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And I said-- well, I said, "My
mother was born in Maryland,
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my father was
born in New Orleans,
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and I was born in New York."
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He said, "But before
that, where were you born?"
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[laughter]
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And I had to say,
"I don't know."
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I could see that he
did not believe me.
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I tried to explain, you know?
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"There's no way for me--"
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He said, "Don't you
care enough to find out?"
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And I tried to explain that if
I were originally-- originally
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from Dakar or from
wherever I was in Africa,
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I couldn't find out where it was
because my entry into America is
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a Bill of Sale.
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And that stops-- you know,
that stops you from going any
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further.
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At some point in our
history, I became...
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Baldwin's Nigger.
That's how I got my name.
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Now, you know, that
really cannot be considered,
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you know, my fault.
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It can't be considered the
fault of the cat at the British
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Museum, either, that I don't--
that he doesn't know that I
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can't find that out.
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And I tell you that story to
dramatize the nature of the
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distance created--
created deliberately.
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Because when I
became Baldwin's Nigger;
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it's also very
important to point out.
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I was handcuffed to another
man from another tribe whose
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language I did not speak.
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We did not know each other.
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And we could not speak to each
other because if we could have
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spoken to each other we might
have been able to figure out
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what was happening to us and
if we could figure out what was
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happening to us we might
have been able to prevent it.
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We would have had, in
short, a kind of solidarity,
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which is a kind of identity,
which might have allowed us--
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which might have made
the history of slavery
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very different.
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The history of slavery in
the North American continent,
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I mean.
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Well, that didn't
happen and here we are.
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One of the most terrible
things-- well, one of the most
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difficult things -- because it's
some which one has and wants to
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resist as he had said and
also to use -- is that, in fact,
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whether we like it or
not, I am an American.
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Now, that is not--
I'm not Lyndon Johnson.
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I'm not saying
that as, you know,
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"I'm an American!"
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I don't mean that, you know?
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[laughter]
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Alas, I mean
something very different.
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[laughter]
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But I do mean that I was
formed in a certain crucible.
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My school really was the
streets of New York City.
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My frame of reference was
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George Washington
and John Wayne, you know?
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[laughter]
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But I-- you know, I
was a child, you know?
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I'm a child open his
eyes on the world,
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who usually sees; there
is nothing else to use.
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And you are formed
by what you see.
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The choices you have to make and
the way you discover what it
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means to be Black in New York.
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I don't know how you discover
what it means to be Black in
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London but I know what it means
how you discover that in New
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York and then
throughout the entire country.
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And I know how as you grow older
you watch in the richest city in
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the world, you know, and
the most-- the most famous,
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the richest, freest
nation in the world.
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[laughter]
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In the Western World.
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I know how you
watch, as you grow older,
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literally, now this is
not a figure of speech;
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the corpses of your brothers and
your sisters pile up around you.
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And not for
anything they have done.
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They were too young
to have done anything.
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And in any case, too helpless.
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But what one
does realize is that...
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when you try to stand up
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and look the world in the face,
like you had a right to be here.
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When you do that, without
knowing this is the result of
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it, you have attacked the
entire power structure of the
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Western World.
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If I one fine day discover...
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that I have been lied to...
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all the years of my life,
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and my mother and
my father were being lied to.
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If I discover that, in fact,
though I was bred and bought and
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sold like a mule...
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that I never really was a mule.
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If I discover that I was never
really happy picking all that
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cotton and digging
in all those mines
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to make other people rich.
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And if I discover that those
songs the Darkies sang and sing
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were not just the innocent
expressions of a primitive
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people but extremely
subtle and difficult;
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dangerous and tragic...
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expressions of what
it felt like to be in chains.
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Then by one's presence, simply,
by the attempt to walk from here
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to there...
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you've begun to
frighten the white world.
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They've always known
that you were not a mule.
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They have always known that
no one wishes to be a slave.
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They have always known that the
bales of cotton in them-- in the
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textile mills and entire
metropolises built on Black
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labor.
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That the Black was not
doing it out of love.
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He was doing it under the whip.
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The threat-- The threat of the
gun and the even more desperate
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and subtle threat of the Bible.
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Now, then...
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one is watching,
according to me,
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in the streets of
Southeast Asia.
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What must be considered...
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as a final act of the white,
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Christian European
industrial drama.
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Speaking as an
American reading the news,
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and looking at the pictures,
the streets of Saigon resemble
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nothing so much to me as
the streets of Detroit.
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And in both cities, precisely
the same war is being waged.
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That war...
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may it
spread to engulf the globe.
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And lets speak plainly.
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We know, everybody knows, no
matter what the professions of
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my unhappy country may be, that
we are not bombing people out of
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existence in the
name of freedom.
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If it were freedom we
were concerned about,
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then long, long ago we
would have done something about
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Johannesburg, South Africa.
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If we were
concerned with freedom,
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boys and girls,
not as I stand here,
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would be perishing in
the streets of Harlem.
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We are concerned with
power, nothing more than that.
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And most unluckily
for the Western World,
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it's consolidated its power on
the backs of people who are now
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going to die rather
than be used any longer.
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In short, the economic
arrangement of the Western World
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proved to be too
expensive for most of the world.
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And the Western World will
change these arrangements or
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these arrangements
will be changed for them.
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This is what is beneath all the
rhetoric and all those rather
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shameful speeches
coming from my President.
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[light clapping]
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This imposes on us, then, a
very considerable burden.
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I, for example, do have in
principle at least a choice
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of...
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how can I put it?
Of becoming a good American.
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I can make a living --
[laughs] at least I could.
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I'm well enough
known to be an ornament.
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[light laughter]
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In short, I could ally myself...
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on the side of what I most
seriously consider to be a
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criminal nation.
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But if I can't do that, then I
have to examine all the reasons
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I can't and find it in myself
to precisely the terms of my
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connection with other people.
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One has tried, I
tried for a long time,
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in my own person,
in things I wrote,
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in things I said.
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I don't mean that I was
alone but I'm using myself as an
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example...
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to convey to my
countrymen -- white and Black--
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the nature of our danger and
where we were going to go if we
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could not resolve the situation
in our cities and in our
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streets, in our houses, if
brother could not deal with
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brother because in
American continent
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they talk about
the color problem,
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but the truth is, that no white
American is sure he's white.
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[laughter]
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And every American Negro,
visibly is no longer an African.
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And we know what happened.
And we know who had the whip.
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So it was not my
grandmother who raped anybody.
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[laughter]
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Well...
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if the day comes, when you
realize, and you don't want
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to realize it, that you
cannot make yourself heard,
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that the people who--
you are addressing a plea,
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for them and for you and the
plea is a very simple one.
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It's saying, "Look at it."
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Forget all the mountains of
nonsense that have been written,
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and everything that's been said.
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Forget the Negro problem.
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Don't write any voting acts.
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We had that.
It's called 15th Amendment.
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We earned the Civil
Rights of the 1964!
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What you had to look at is what
is happening in this country and
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what is really happening is that
brother has murdered brother
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knowing it was his brother.
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White men have lynched Negroes
knowing them to be their sons!
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White women have had Negroes
burned knowing them to be their
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lovers.
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It is not a racial problem,
it's a problem of whether or not
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you're willing to look at your
life and be responsible for it
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and then begin to change it.
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That great Western House I come
from is one house and I'm one of
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the children of
that house, simply,
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I'm the most despised
child of that house.
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And it because the American
people are unable to face the
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fact that I the fact
I'm flesh of their flesh,
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bone of their
bone, created by them.
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My blood, my father's
blood is in that soil.
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They can't face that!
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And that is why the city of
Detroit went up in flames!
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And that is why the city of the
Saigon was under martial law.
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I know that in 400
years in that house,
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they do not know who I am and I
cannot marry their daughters or
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go to their churches.
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I would have to be a much more
stupid man that I am to believe
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they know anything at all
about those people in the Asian
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jungles.
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According to me,
they liberated me,
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before they got around to Asia
and it was liberation difficult
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to bear.
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Many didn't survive it.
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It seems to me though that
the great is difficulty that we
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face.
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It's first of all to excavate
our actual history and I'm part
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of the history which
occurred in the Caribbean.
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And you were part of the history
which occurred in Harlem.
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And one's got to find the terms.
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One's gotta accept that and
find that how to use that.
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And one's got to
decide, I think,
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that the actual and the moral
basis on which the world we know
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now rests, are obsolete.
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It must be changed.
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And as far they are
obsolete, they are wicked.
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And as far they are
obsolete, they are oppressive.
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It is simply not conceivable
that for another 500 years or
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200 years or 100 years that
the Blacks of South Africa,
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for an example, should
live and die in the mines,
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being treated like animals
to make other people rich.
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That is simply not-- the
civilization which is doing
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this, by doing
this, dooms itself.
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It is not possible to agree
with it nor it is possible to
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compromise with it.
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Freedom is not--
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Freedom is a much--
much overused word and it
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may not be as real as slavery,
which is a very concrete thing.
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But freedom is what one's after.
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And as it cannot, I
suppose, be given,
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then it obviously must be taken.
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They are many ways to take it
but before we can discover this,
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we have to discover how
to reunite ourselves,
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in terms on which we
can speak to each other,
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the terms in which in
fact, to put it bluntly,
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we can plot against the master.
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And unless, anyone
misunderstand me,
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I'm not really talking about
color and I'm not talking about
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race.
I don't really believe in race.
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I don't really believe in color.
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But I do know what I see.
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I do know
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that in the very same way
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that the American
Negro situaion...
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man, it's
everybody in the country,
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and now it is visible!
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What happened in Detroit is the,
is perfectly logical and the
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lesson is plain.
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What happened says, "If I
can't live in this city,
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you can't live in
this city, either."
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When a city goes-- everybody in
the city is under martial law.
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If I can't walk out
and buy a loaf of bread,
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safely, neither can the
housewife that's why he's on the
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range, learning
how to use a pistol,
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in the land of the free
and the home of the brave.
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[laughter]
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They are confusing
themselves with the Indians.
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No, they're back
on the wagon train.
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But we all know who's in
the streets of America.
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We know to whom we are referring
when we talk about crime in the
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streets.
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We know the son of the President
of Pan-Am is not in the streets.
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Only one person in
the streets -- that's me!
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And they're plotting to
shoot me in the name of freedom,
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dignified by law, and
I'm supposed to agree.
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I'm supposed to agree.
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No, no.
No sir.
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I won't be dishonoring no more.
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At last, the party's over.
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The question is
what shall we do?
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Everyone knows that the
question is in everybody's lap.
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From Washington
to London to Bonn.
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Everybody knows it.
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They are trying to
figure out what to do.
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We should figure out what to do.
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Thank you.
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[applause]
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Thank you very much.
Now you're suppose to
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talk to me.
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[laughter]
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Now, I'll sit down.
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-[man] Why do you
call a man Negro?
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Why don't you just
call him a Black man?
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There's no country of the
Negro, do you know that?
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-[James] Yes, I'm aware of that.
I know that.
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-[man] So why do you
call a Negro not Black man?
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-[James] Can I
try to explain now?
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-[man] Yes.
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[laughter]
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-[James] Listen.
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It was not I -- nor any Black
man in America -- who invented
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the word "Negro."
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It is not I who wrote that
on my birth certificate.
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It is not I who
invented that language.
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I understand the
purpose of your question.
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There indeed is no
country called Negro.
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I know that.
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But you must understand, too,
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that I can not change my
vocabulary over night.
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I may agree with you.
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But we've been called-- we've
been called-- and we've called
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ourselves American Negros
for over nearly 400 years.
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Now do you suppose that because
it angers you that suddenly an
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entire nation is able to
change its vocabulary?
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In any case, I distrust the
emphasis on the vocabulary,
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you know?
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Your generation, not
mine, will call itself Black.
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That's good enough for me.
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That's the whole point.
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My mother-- my mother's
mother called herself a Nigger.
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You must understand the
nature of oppression.
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The most subtle effect of
oppression is that-- what it
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does to your mind.
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What it does to the way
you think about yourself.
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The whole
cornerstone rests there.
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If you understand
that, then you can see,
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I think, that even though my
mother's mother called herself a
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Nigger, she managed to raise a
family and instill somehow in
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her children some
sense-- some dignity,
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which did not
depend on the word.
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One had to learn how to use
those terms in order to survive
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and even to triumph.
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-In view of the situation that
is really now happening that has
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gone past, how do you envision
the Black man's personality,
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let's say, within 50 years?
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I'm asking you kind
of just to, you know,
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try to say what you can.
Tell me about it.
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-[James] In 50 years?
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-In the next 50 years.
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[applause]
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-This a reckless question
and I'll try to give a reckless
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answer.
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[laughter]
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I don't know if this is, so,
I'll tell you what I would like
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and what I hope.
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I think that Black
people, you know?
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There's a Black experience,
let's put it this way.
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And I'm deliberately trying to
distinguish the Black experience
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from the Christian-- the white
Christian European experience.
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It's easier the Black
personality then has a
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kind of vigor.
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A kind of vitality.
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And a kind of...
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a sense of life, of
something in which
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that is not come from here.
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But comes in from
much deeper regions.
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I think, the African personality
is not so compartmentalized.
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I think that Europeans-- the
European personality in the main
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and this implies a very
severe judgment of Christianity.
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A very severe
judgement is not an indictment.
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I think they are terribly
worried about the flesh.
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The senses.
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I think they live in checks and
balances which are really very
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nearly pathological.
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You see them in
relief in America.
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Because an American-- in America
I precisely am the flesh,
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which the
Christians must mortify.
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Now, according to me and what
I hope for in the future, the
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flesh is all you have.
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If you mortify
that, there's no hope for you.
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Everything you find out you
find out through your senses.
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Everything that-- Everything
awful that happens to you and
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everything marvelous
that happens to you,
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happens to you in this frame.
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This tenement.
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This mortal envelope.
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Which should be.
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Instead of
beating it with chains.
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And hammering nails through
it and hanging it on crosses.
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It should be the celebration.
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Your life, your body.
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And if that concept comes back
into the world...
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it will come back only through
in the Black people who've been
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submerged so long.
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And that will change not only
the Black personality but that
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will change the world.
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I've seen janitors -- Black
janitors -- in overalls prouder
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than any English king.
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With a much more real pride.
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And that is what I
would like to see.
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Any way the change of the
personality would come about in
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that direction cause as-- as one
begins to come out of the mines
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and strike off the
chains by some miracle,
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what was nearly murdered
in Africa is still there.
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Humanity can not be destroyed.
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And that's what's coming back.
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00:25:51,300 --> 00:25:54,428
-You said something
earlier in one of your books.
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Quite contemptuously,
I thought that, um,
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you thought it irrelevant to
trace your roots back to the
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village.
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00:26:00,851 --> 00:26:01,977
-[James] I beg your pardon?
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00:26:01,977 --> 00:26:03,479
-You said something
in one of your books.
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Quite contemptuously, I thought,
that you thought it irrelevant
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to trace your roots back
to some African village.
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00:26:09,067 --> 00:26:11,320
-[James] No.
433
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:12,613
-From what you
said here tonight,
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have you moved away
from that position?
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00:26:14,406 --> 00:26:16,575
-[James] I have a problem
certain that I never said that.
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[laughter]
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I might have but I
very much doubt it.
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[laughter]
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00:26:22,581 --> 00:26:25,334
-You said you thought it
unnecessary to trace your roots
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back to Africa?
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00:26:26,919 --> 00:26:28,337
-[James] I think you're
talking about an essay called "A
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Stranger in the Village?"
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I was making a comparison
between the days the European's
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arrived in my African village
and, you know, what they thought
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of me and what I
thought of them.
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And I was not being
contemptuous at all.
447
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At all.
448
00:26:44,353 --> 00:26:46,855
I was saying, "This
is what happened."
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00:26:46,855 --> 00:26:50,150
I have to look at --
this is what happened.
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When they had Beethoven, Bach
and all of these things and the
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Christian faith and the cross
and all those horses and guns
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and boats.
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I was perfectly happy in Africa
watching the conqueror arrive.
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[laughter]
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It was an examination
for myself of my history.
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00:27:05,582 --> 00:27:08,877
And certainly not
meant to be contemptuous.
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00:27:09,503 --> 00:27:11,338
-[woman] We from
the West Indies,
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you may or may
not total understand...
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because we are-- we are British.
460
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We are West British.
I mean, we are British Colony.
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-[man] [inaudible]
-[woman] What?
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-Quiet.
-[woman] Quiet time.
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00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:28,772
[laughter]
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00:27:28,772 --> 00:27:33,569
I mean, call it British
diplomacy if you wish, but we
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are obviously,
as far as I can see,
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00:27:36,071 --> 00:27:38,282
look at the color problem
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different than into
the American Negro.
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00:27:40,659 --> 00:27:44,746
[jeering]
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Now that we are in England--
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Now that I am in England,
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I'm very glad I'm back in
England because I'm more
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aware of the fact I am a Negro.
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In Jamaica I wasn't aware of
the fact because it's very
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cosmopolitan.
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00:27:57,426 --> 00:27:59,928
I mean in Jamaica, we-- I don't
know if you ever been to it?
476
00:27:59,928 --> 00:28:02,139
We have more a shade problem.
477
00:28:02,139 --> 00:28:05,726
[overlapping
chatter and applause]
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00:28:07,853 --> 00:28:11,648
Anyway the point I'm trying to
get across is I never knew I was
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a real Negro until
I came to England.
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00:28:14,109 --> 00:28:15,986
I know it now --
that's why I'm here.
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00:28:15,986 --> 00:28:17,613
I am very honest.
482
00:28:17,613 --> 00:28:19,197
I was here the other
night with Mr. Gregory --
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Dick, rather.
484
00:28:20,198 --> 00:28:23,035
[laughter]
485
00:28:29,833 --> 00:28:32,002
You can't drink water from the
same glass as a man and don't
486
00:28:32,002 --> 00:28:33,712
call him Dick.
487
00:28:33,712 --> 00:28:36,757
[laughter]
488
00:28:52,856 --> 00:28:54,566
The point I want
to get across is--
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00:28:54,566 --> 00:28:56,902
The point I want
to get across is...
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00:28:56,902 --> 00:29:00,155
which is better:
Integration or Black Power?
491
00:29:01,823 --> 00:29:03,617
-Is that a question?
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00:29:03,617 --> 00:29:05,619
-[woman]
[inaudible] just explain.
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[laughter]
494
00:29:08,330 --> 00:29:12,709
-I don't-- In the first place I
don't see there's necessarily a
495
00:29:12,709 --> 00:29:14,086
division between them.
496
00:29:14,086 --> 00:29:16,588
But let me-- let me
take Black Power first.
497
00:29:16,588 --> 00:29:18,632
-[woman] Yeah.
498
00:29:18,632 --> 00:29:22,135
-And Integration later.
499
00:29:22,135 --> 00:29:24,137
Black Power is a very
simple phrase and I don't know
500
00:29:24,137 --> 00:29:26,098
why everyone gets so
upset about Black Power.
501
00:29:26,098 --> 00:29:29,101
When watching the effects of
white power all over the world.
502
00:29:29,101 --> 00:29:31,520
[cheers and banging]
503
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,105
And no one even questions it.
504
00:29:33,105 --> 00:29:35,399
And no one even questions the
white power which is destroying
505
00:29:35,399 --> 00:29:40,195
thousands men and women
and children in-- in Vietnam.
506
00:29:40,195 --> 00:29:43,615
That power because it
is power is sacred.
507
00:29:43,615 --> 00:29:45,158
-[woman] Yeah.
508
00:29:45,158 --> 00:29:47,577
-No one-- No one--
No one questions it.
509
00:29:47,577 --> 00:29:49,371
The power of the
Bible and the Holy Ghost.
510
00:29:49,371 --> 00:29:51,289
[laughter]
511
00:29:51,289 --> 00:29:52,457
[banging]
512
00:29:52,457 --> 00:29:54,418
The term "Black
Power," you know,
513
00:29:54,418 --> 00:29:57,879
strikes terror into many
people's minds because it
514
00:29:57,879 --> 00:30:01,550
implies precisely the over throw
of the Bible and the Holy Ghost
515
00:30:01,550 --> 00:30:03,218
at least they think so.
516
00:30:03,218 --> 00:30:06,013
And it does actually means that.
517
00:30:06,013 --> 00:30:09,516
What it means is that
Black people -- this is all it
518
00:30:09,516 --> 00:30:14,521
mens -- that Black people have
in their own hands the control
519
00:30:14,855 --> 00:30:16,648
of their own destiny.
520
00:30:16,648 --> 00:30:18,191
That's all it means.
521
00:30:18,191 --> 00:30:20,402
The English has a
great phrase for it.
522
00:30:20,402 --> 00:30:22,154
They're very
proud of the phrase.
523
00:30:22,154 --> 00:30:25,449
It's called a self
determination of peoples.
524
00:30:25,449 --> 00:30:27,159
That's all it means.
525
00:30:27,159 --> 00:30:30,704
As for Integration,
that is not our goal.
526
00:30:30,704 --> 00:30:32,289
-[man] No?
-No, at all.
527
00:30:32,289 --> 00:30:36,209
That is precisely
is our problem.
528
00:30:38,295 --> 00:30:41,131
-It's a very
simple question.
529
00:30:41,131 --> 00:30:46,136
Do you think that there is any
place for the white liberal in
530
00:30:47,596 --> 00:30:49,056
the Black Power movement?
531
00:30:49,056 --> 00:30:51,308
[loud jeering]
532
00:30:54,561 --> 00:30:56,188
And when you
answer this question,
533
00:30:56,188 --> 00:30:58,398
could you be kind
enough to give the reasons?
534
00:30:58,398 --> 00:31:01,651
Because I've attended a lot of--
meetings on the subject of Black
535
00:31:01,651 --> 00:31:06,114
Power at which in particular
English people feel very hurt
536
00:31:06,114 --> 00:31:08,408
because you get the
line from said platform,
537
00:31:08,408 --> 00:31:11,036
"We don't want you."
538
00:31:11,036 --> 00:31:13,789
Could you give me the benefit
of your thoughts on this?
539
00:31:14,498 --> 00:31:17,250
-I suppose "liberal" refers
to political tradition coming
540
00:31:17,250 --> 00:31:19,628
out of the North of
Europe, you know,
541
00:31:19,628 --> 00:31:22,756
in finding his roots, you know,
whatever it's base is in England
542
00:31:22,756 --> 00:31:24,966
and in America.
543
00:31:24,966 --> 00:31:29,846
But to my ear as a Black man,
a white liberal is immediately
544
00:31:29,846 --> 00:31:32,974
suspect because it is
indistinguishable and one's got
545
00:31:32,974 --> 00:31:34,559
to face this.
546
00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:37,646
You might as well say a white
missionary because that's the
547
00:31:37,646 --> 00:31:39,564
association.
548
00:31:39,564 --> 00:31:42,484
And it is also alas
very often -- not always --
549
00:31:42,484 --> 00:31:47,197
but very, very often the role
and the effect but deeper than
550
00:31:47,197 --> 00:31:52,202
that and more important
than that there's also this...
551
00:31:52,244 --> 00:31:55,539
that from a historical point of
view, no matter how miserable my
552
00:31:55,539 --> 00:31:57,916
situation is...
553
00:31:57,916 --> 00:32:00,627
from a historical point of
view at this hour of the world's
554
00:32:00,627 --> 00:32:05,632
history, I'm advantage over
you because I'm compelled --
555
00:32:06,216 --> 00:32:09,886
I'm speaking about myself
as a Black man not as a...
556
00:32:09,886 --> 00:32:13,390
I'm compelled to doubt
my history, to examine it.
557
00:32:13,390 --> 00:32:16,351
I'm compelled to
try to create it.
558
00:32:16,351 --> 00:32:18,770
I'm trying to excavate my
history from all the rubble that
559
00:32:18,770 --> 00:32:21,189
has buried it for so
many hundred of years.
560
00:32:21,189 --> 00:32:24,234
That means I have to
question everything.
561
00:32:24,234 --> 00:32:28,238
Where as the white liberals have
precisely opposite position of
562
00:32:28,238 --> 00:32:33,243
being in the main unwilling,
563
00:32:33,785 --> 00:32:36,538
as well as unable,
564
00:32:36,538 --> 00:32:39,207
to examine the forces
565
00:32:39,207 --> 00:32:41,251
which have
brought him to where he is,
566
00:32:41,251 --> 00:32:44,254
which have
created him, in fact...
567
00:32:44,254 --> 00:32:48,133
to-- to make which
must be very difficult.
568
00:32:48,675 --> 00:32:52,262
To know the quite of part
from whatever his own attitude,
569
00:32:52,262 --> 00:32:56,016
aspirations, morality;
whatever they may be.
570
00:32:56,016 --> 00:32:59,019
His is never the less,
well he now likes it.
571
00:32:59,019 --> 00:33:02,314
The power of the people-- he is
part of the people who in this
572
00:33:02,314 --> 00:33:06,985
very hour are jailing some Black
boy in Mississippi for this very
573
00:33:06,985 --> 00:33:10,238
hour are whipping some
Black African slave.
574
00:33:10,238 --> 00:33:13,366
You know who-- this very
hour are perpetrating those
575
00:33:13,366 --> 00:33:16,912
tremendous enormities against a
[inaudible] of people who look
576
00:33:16,912 --> 00:33:18,622
like me.
577
00:33:18,622 --> 00:33:22,500
And furthermore, that...
578
00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:24,920
his-- I hate to
use this word but in the
579
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:29,925
sense that innocence-- that
innocence can be, in crucial
580
00:33:30,842 --> 00:33:34,721
moments, a very grave danger.
581
00:33:35,847 --> 00:33:40,227
It can menace much, much
more than the white liberal can
582
00:33:40,227 --> 00:33:42,729
imagine.
583
00:33:42,729 --> 00:33:45,190
You see...
584
00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:49,069
you can't, after all--
585
00:33:49,069 --> 00:33:51,321
My brother's got
to say, you know--
586
00:33:51,321 --> 00:33:53,365
my family --
let's put it that way --
587
00:33:53,365 --> 00:33:56,243
have forged, out of
our own experience,
588
00:33:56,243 --> 00:33:57,744
ways of talking to each other.
589
00:33:57,744 --> 00:34:00,163
Ways of, you know, in making
deals with each other like that
590
00:34:00,163 --> 00:34:02,457
because we-- it's the
same way it happen to us,
591
00:34:02,457 --> 00:34:03,375
you know?
592
00:34:03,375 --> 00:34:05,877
I ain't got to explain thing
to brother, David, you know?
593
00:34:05,877 --> 00:34:06,753
We just look at each other.
594
00:34:06,753 --> 00:34:09,506
Not even look at each other
and we both know, you know?
595
00:34:09,506 --> 00:34:11,341
We both know.
596
00:34:11,341 --> 00:34:14,177
Now, you can't, in some moments,
you don't have the time to
597
00:34:14,177 --> 00:34:17,264
explain to
somebody else, you know?
598
00:34:17,264 --> 00:34:19,099
That's how we got the
spiritual called "Steal Away."
599
00:34:19,099 --> 00:34:21,101
It's not about
stealing away Jesus.
600
00:34:21,101 --> 00:34:22,978
[laughter]
601
00:34:22,978 --> 00:34:26,356
It's a time table, you know?
602
00:34:26,356 --> 00:34:27,774
Somebody-- Somebody's
splitting, you know?
603
00:34:27,774 --> 00:34:30,819
You know what to do
because he's leaving.
604
00:34:30,819 --> 00:34:32,404
He's stealing away.
605
00:34:32,404 --> 00:34:34,614
You can't always explain that.
606
00:34:34,614 --> 00:34:37,325
And, at last, we
got to face this...
607
00:34:37,325 --> 00:34:38,868
got to face this...
608
00:34:38,868 --> 00:34:42,580
that in many, many,
many Black Power meetings,
609
00:34:42,580 --> 00:34:46,918
you know, some of the most
eminent liberals turned out to
610
00:34:46,918 --> 00:34:48,670
be working for the CIA.
611
00:34:48,670 --> 00:34:50,255
[laughter]
612
00:34:50,255 --> 00:34:52,465
Now, it's true, too,
on the other hand
613
00:34:52,465 --> 00:34:54,801
that many-- you know, many Black
people were also working for the
614
00:34:54,801 --> 00:34:59,055
CIA, but you --
in this context --
615
00:34:59,055 --> 00:35:03,101
you the white liberal in this
context suffer from your color
616
00:35:03,101 --> 00:35:05,562
exactly as I suffer from my
color in another and more brutal
617
00:35:05,562 --> 00:35:06,771
context.
618
00:35:06,771 --> 00:35:08,273
And must got to face that.
619
00:35:08,273 --> 00:35:10,567
And when you face it, one can
deal with it and then it doesn't
620
00:35:10,567 --> 00:35:11,735
matter.
621
00:35:11,735 --> 00:35:13,445
But I don't think it serves
any purpose to get one feelings
622
00:35:13,445 --> 00:35:14,571
hurt.
623
00:35:14,571 --> 00:35:16,990
Because it's not the matter
of my liberation, for example.
624
00:35:16,990 --> 00:35:18,658
It's also the matter of yours.
625
00:35:18,658 --> 00:35:20,660
And if you're working,
we're working together it's not
626
00:35:20,660 --> 00:35:22,412
because we are going to do
something for the poor Black
627
00:35:22,412 --> 00:35:24,831
people because we're going to
do something for each other.
628
00:35:24,831 --> 00:35:27,625
To save this really
rather frightening world.
629
00:35:28,585 --> 00:35:32,088
-What was the question about
the cheered up for the average
630
00:35:32,088 --> 00:35:34,549
American Negro to
it's Christianity?
631
00:35:34,549 --> 00:35:39,262
My impression is one worship in
a [inaudible] twice a week and
632
00:35:39,262 --> 00:35:42,223
sing beautiful songs.
633
00:35:43,933 --> 00:35:48,021
-[James] The vote of the
American Negro population is a
634
00:35:48,021 --> 00:35:49,731
very complicated
question to answer.
635
00:35:49,731 --> 00:35:53,109
I know I can't
do it justice tonight.
636
00:35:53,109 --> 00:35:56,154
The bulk of the American Negro
population is Christian or, at
637
00:35:56,154 --> 00:35:58,073
least, it thinks it is.
638
00:35:58,073 --> 00:36:01,618
Now, you have to--
639
00:36:01,618 --> 00:36:05,705
When one begins to examine it,
you discover that there are some
640
00:36:05,705 --> 00:36:07,749
very crucial differences between
white Christianity and Black
641
00:36:07,749 --> 00:36:09,417
Christianity.
642
00:36:09,417 --> 00:36:12,712
Even at some celebrated
churchs [inaudible] church.
643
00:36:12,712 --> 00:36:17,092
And this is partly
because -- to minimize it,
644
00:36:17,092 --> 00:36:18,718
to understate it --
645
00:36:18,718 --> 00:36:22,931
the church is operated in the
life of the American Negro,
646
00:36:22,931 --> 00:36:25,433
who was once the
Black African slave,
647
00:36:25,433 --> 00:36:28,603
as his only-- his only forum.
648
00:36:29,104 --> 00:36:33,650
His-- His only place
where he was relatively free.
649
00:36:33,650 --> 00:36:38,655
And is also the place in
which he was able to act out,
650
00:36:38,905 --> 00:36:43,910
to sing out, to dance out his
pride and his terrors and his
651
00:36:44,536 --> 00:36:47,122
desire for revenge.
652
00:36:47,122 --> 00:36:48,957
All those sermons
are bloodthirsty.
653
00:36:48,957 --> 00:36:51,418
Their not talking about
devils and Samson and Delilah;
654
00:36:51,418 --> 00:36:52,877
any of those things.
655
00:36:52,877 --> 00:36:55,004
They're talking
about the master.
656
00:36:55,004 --> 00:36:57,257
In a song which says-- it's
supposed to be about Samson.
657
00:36:57,257 --> 00:36:59,843
The master always thought it was
about Samson only now he thinks
658
00:36:59,843 --> 00:37:02,345
it's about something else.
659
00:37:02,345 --> 00:37:05,306
Man says, the slave
says, "If I had my way--
660
00:37:05,306 --> 00:37:07,392
If I had my way
661
00:37:07,392 --> 00:37:09,978
I'd tear this building down."
662
00:37:09,978 --> 00:37:12,689
That sounds like a very
happy and innocent church song.
663
00:37:12,689 --> 00:37:14,190
It's lethal.
664
00:37:14,190 --> 00:37:17,527
[laughter]
665
00:37:17,527 --> 00:37:22,532
[laughing] And the American
Black Christian is becoming more
666
00:37:23,032 --> 00:37:25,493
and more aware of what of
the real content of his
667
00:37:25,493 --> 00:37:28,079
Christianity, which is not
the content of the Church of
668
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:29,914
England.
669
00:37:29,914 --> 00:37:32,125
It has been one of the
incidents of our salvation.
670
00:37:32,125 --> 00:37:34,210
One of the
techniques of our salvation.
671
00:37:34,210 --> 00:37:36,212
And now we know it.
672
00:37:36,212 --> 00:37:38,089
So whether one is a
Christian at that point,
673
00:37:38,089 --> 00:37:39,757
I don't know.
674
00:37:39,757 --> 00:37:42,802
It doesn't matter since one
knows how to use what one's
675
00:37:42,802 --> 00:37:45,847
history is.
676
00:37:46,931 --> 00:37:48,099
-[man] Excuse me.
677
00:37:48,099 --> 00:37:50,143
We're going to stop questioning
for the time being and we are
678
00:37:50,143 --> 00:37:52,687
going to have a few
words from Dick Gregory.
679
00:37:52,687 --> 00:37:57,692
[applause]
680
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,949
-I really haven't got...
681
00:38:05,325 --> 00:38:07,535
too much to say
but I'm very glad that I
682
00:38:07,535 --> 00:38:12,332
was able to be here tonight
for my brother James and...
683
00:38:12,332 --> 00:38:13,875
you're a very
groovy speaker, man.
684
00:38:13,875 --> 00:38:16,336
[laughter]
685
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,550
'Cause you got in show business
and I guess I have to go home
686
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:24,177
and write me another book.
687
00:38:24,177 --> 00:38:26,763
[laughter]
688
00:38:26,763 --> 00:38:31,518
I-- I have enjoyed very well...
689
00:38:31,518 --> 00:38:36,523
listening and
watching and
690
00:38:37,857 --> 00:38:42,320
Jim made a very important point
that when you create an action a
691
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:47,325
writer have to watch and then
come up and write on the action.
692
00:38:47,909 --> 00:38:52,914
And I think this is very
important when we read
693
00:38:54,749 --> 00:38:59,754
works of a social
writer like this...
694
00:38:59,837 --> 00:39:02,799
I observed you
the audience here
695
00:39:02,799 --> 00:39:07,387
tonight which is
been very interesting.
696
00:39:07,387 --> 00:39:10,723
For instance, the
fellow who's gone now
697
00:39:10,723 --> 00:39:15,103
who questioned why we in America
call ourselves Negros and not
698
00:39:15,103 --> 00:39:17,397
Blacks.
699
00:39:17,397 --> 00:39:20,400
And well, here in this
country you refer yourself
700
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,026
as "Coloreds."
701
00:39:22,026 --> 00:39:26,823
[laughter]
702
00:39:27,699 --> 00:39:32,412
And so I think we got to
understand that all of us is put
703
00:39:32,412 --> 00:39:35,957
in the same trick, you know?
704
00:39:35,957 --> 00:39:40,962
In America, they charge me more
money for automobile insurance
705
00:39:41,254 --> 00:39:44,215
and they will never admit that
in the Negro neighborhood they
706
00:39:44,215 --> 00:39:47,176
have poor lighting on the
streets and bad streets and
707
00:39:47,176 --> 00:39:50,096
small streets and
overcrowded conditions.
708
00:39:50,096 --> 00:39:54,434
So I have more cars per
acre than white folks have.
709
00:39:54,434 --> 00:39:57,145
So naturally I got more
accidents per acre than white
710
00:39:57,145 --> 00:39:59,188
folks have.
711
00:39:59,188 --> 00:40:03,151
But in here as me and my brother
was discussing today they charge
712
00:40:03,151 --> 00:40:07,196
you more for license because
they say you a bad driver and
713
00:40:07,196 --> 00:40:10,742
then turn around and 60 percent
of the bus drivers is Black.
714
00:40:10,742 --> 00:40:13,911
[laughter and applause]
715
00:40:15,121 --> 00:40:18,041
And so how you can never
understand how he gets by with
716
00:40:18,041 --> 00:40:19,083
some of his stuff...
717
00:40:19,083 --> 00:40:22,503
[laughter]
718
00:40:22,503 --> 00:40:24,922
we can't understand
how here he gets by.
719
00:40:24,922 --> 00:40:27,216
In closing, let me say this...
720
00:40:29,552 --> 00:40:31,554
in vaguely asking the
gentlemen's question
721
00:40:31,554 --> 00:40:36,017
here about white liberalism...
722
00:40:36,017 --> 00:40:40,938
we are getting to the part
now where we are getting kind of
723
00:40:40,938 --> 00:40:44,567
sassy and kind of
belligerent and, you know,
724
00:40:44,567 --> 00:40:45,652
it's just like a game.
725
00:40:45,652 --> 00:40:48,863
Life is a game, you know?
726
00:40:48,863 --> 00:40:50,823
You'd play baseball when
you was a kid and you'd say,
727
00:40:50,823 --> 00:40:53,660
"Okay, let me hit a couple."
728
00:40:53,660 --> 00:40:57,830
[laughter]
729
00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:07,340
And, you know, like Black folks
that have gone to wars in what I
730
00:41:07,340 --> 00:41:09,884
call "white man's armies."
731
00:41:09,884 --> 00:41:13,429
Without Black folks
being at the top issue line.
732
00:41:13,429 --> 00:41:15,807
In America, there is no Black
people in the Pentagon and they
733
00:41:15,807 --> 00:41:17,266
send us to battle.
734
00:41:17,266 --> 00:41:20,937
And we have gone for years
without questioning where he was
735
00:41:20,937 --> 00:41:23,564
sending me or why I was going.
736
00:41:23,564 --> 00:41:25,650
And now we're saying,
"Okay, white folks,
737
00:41:25,650 --> 00:41:28,111
it's your turn."
738
00:41:28,111 --> 00:41:29,904
You know, I'm going to be the
General and you're going to be
739
00:41:29,904 --> 00:41:31,364
the private.
740
00:41:31,364 --> 00:41:32,824
[laughter]
741
00:41:32,824 --> 00:41:35,159
This is the way
you going to march.
742
00:41:35,159 --> 00:41:36,494
When you get through marching
over there you're going to come
743
00:41:36,494 --> 00:41:39,539
back here; I might pay
you and I might not.
744
00:41:39,539 --> 00:41:43,292
[laughter]
745
00:41:45,086 --> 00:41:50,091
So what we really trying to say
is Black-- we say we don't want
746
00:41:51,134 --> 00:41:53,928
no white
liberals -- that's right --
747
00:41:53,928 --> 00:41:56,639
because, you see, the
word "white liberal" is an
748
00:41:56,639 --> 00:42:01,644
unconscious racist statement
because nobody's ever admit it
749
00:42:01,686 --> 00:42:05,815
that we got Black liberals
who's far more worse than
750
00:42:05,815 --> 00:42:08,359
white liberals ever been.
751
00:42:08,359 --> 00:42:10,486
[laughter]
752
00:42:10,486 --> 00:42:12,196
[applause]
753
00:42:12,196 --> 00:42:15,658
And we also say we
don't want them...
754
00:42:15,658 --> 00:42:17,869
in the movement.
755
00:42:17,869 --> 00:42:22,290
You see, a Black Liberal in
America is the cult doctor
756
00:42:22,290 --> 00:42:24,000
because when we
demonstrate, they say,
757
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,168
"We shouldn't."
758
00:42:25,168 --> 00:42:27,211
But after we finish, he
becomes the first public health
759
00:42:27,211 --> 00:42:28,713
commissioner.
760
00:42:28,713 --> 00:42:30,590
[laughter]
761
00:42:30,590 --> 00:42:34,677
And so we say in that can you
come with us and cease being
762
00:42:34,677 --> 00:42:38,097
white-- see, we need bodies,
763
00:42:38,097 --> 00:42:40,391
and we need cats that think
Black regardless of how white
764
00:42:40,391 --> 00:42:41,684
you are.
765
00:42:41,684 --> 00:42:44,854
Because, you see, I have
run across Negros who's much
766
00:42:44,854 --> 00:42:48,274
lighter and act
more whiter than you.
767
00:42:48,274 --> 00:42:52,570
And so I have to take their
word for them if I can't take
768
00:42:52,570 --> 00:42:54,489
their attitude.
769
00:42:54,489 --> 00:42:57,158
And when I was in show
business and people asked me,
770
00:42:57,158 --> 00:42:59,494
"What percentage of white folks
do you think is laughing at your
771
00:42:59,494 --> 00:43:01,788
humor because they are guilty?"
772
00:43:01,788 --> 00:43:05,291
And my answer to them was, "I
can not look at a cat and just
773
00:43:05,291 --> 00:43:07,043
because he's
light and look white,
774
00:43:07,043 --> 00:43:08,461
assume that he's white.
775
00:43:08,461 --> 00:43:12,006
Because he might not be a white
cat and be laughing without a
776
00:43:12,006 --> 00:43:13,841
damn thing to be guilty of."
777
00:43:13,841 --> 00:43:16,177
[laughter]
778
00:43:16,177 --> 00:43:18,012
[applause]
779
00:43:18,012 --> 00:43:22,350
And so what we are really saying
is that Black Power and we don't
780
00:43:22,350 --> 00:43:24,101
white folks in the movement.
781
00:43:24,101 --> 00:43:27,313
You see, white is not a
color -- it's a attitude.
782
00:43:27,313 --> 00:43:29,649
Black is not a
color -- it's a attitude.
783
00:43:29,649 --> 00:43:33,236
[applause]
784
00:43:34,111 --> 00:43:36,572
So the whitest, white
cat with, you know--
785
00:43:36,572 --> 00:43:40,868
Father Groppi proved
this in Milwaukee.
786
00:43:40,868 --> 00:43:45,164
The most strongest Black
Nationalist that's ever lived in
787
00:43:45,164 --> 00:43:50,169
modern times was not in Africa
or not Malcolm X was a white cat
788
00:43:50,211 --> 00:43:52,839
in America named John Brown.
789
00:43:52,839 --> 00:43:55,883
Because John Brown caught some
wrong doing white folks and told
790
00:43:55,883 --> 00:44:00,263
his son who was also white to
kill them for what they have
791
00:44:00,263 --> 00:44:01,556
done to my brother.
792
00:44:01,556 --> 00:44:03,432
And his son said,
"I can't do it, Daddy."
793
00:44:03,432 --> 00:44:05,935
And he said, "If you don't
kill them, I will kill you!"
794
00:44:05,935 --> 00:44:09,105
Now, I don't know a Black cat
yet, man, that's ready to wipe
795
00:44:09,105 --> 00:44:13,025
out his family because of
somebody [inaudible] me.
796
00:44:13,025 --> 00:44:15,403
[applause]
797
00:44:15,403 --> 00:44:17,947
And so this whole thing we
talking about have nothing to do
798
00:44:17,947 --> 00:44:19,574
with color at all, man.
799
00:44:19,574 --> 00:44:21,909
It has something to
do with an attitude.
800
00:44:21,909 --> 00:44:24,412
But now we shifting color.
801
00:44:24,412 --> 00:44:27,415
You see, in China if you to
a funeral dressed in a black
802
00:44:27,415 --> 00:44:30,001
outfit, you'd
probably be stoned.
803
00:44:30,001 --> 00:44:32,503
Because in China
white represents death.
804
00:44:32,503 --> 00:44:35,756
[laughter]
805
00:44:40,845 --> 00:44:43,222
As hip as I am in the Civil
Rights movement -- and as many
806
00:44:43,222 --> 00:44:47,560
things that I know from a
laymen's stand point -- I've had
807
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:51,898
a very brilliant education
tonight listening to you, and
808
00:44:51,898 --> 00:44:53,316
I want to thank you.
809
00:44:53,316 --> 00:44:54,859
-[James] Thank you.
810
00:44:54,859 --> 00:44:58,237
[applause]
811
00:45:02,700 --> 00:45:05,953
โช"I Shall Be
Released" by The Heptonesโช
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