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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:41,583 --> 00:00:43,210 -[man VO] Ladies and gentlemen. 2 00:00:43,210 --> 00:00:46,505 I'm very pleased to present to you...Jimmy Baldwin. 3 00:00:46,505 --> 00:00:51,510 [applause and cheers] 4 00:00:55,889 --> 00:00:58,225 -I'll tell you a story, if I may. 5 00:00:58,725 --> 00:01:03,230 Many years ago, when I first came to London... 6 00:01:03,230 --> 00:01:06,441 I was in the British Museum, naturally... 7 00:01:06,441 --> 00:01:09,319 [laughter] 8 00:01:13,740 --> 00:01:16,994 and one of the West Indians who worked there 9 00:01:16,994 --> 00:01:19,246 struck up a conversation with me 10 00:01:19,246 --> 00:01:21,248 and wanted to know where I was from. 11 00:01:21,248 --> 00:01:23,333 And I told him I was from Harlem. 12 00:01:23,333 --> 00:01:25,460 And that answer didn't satisfy him. 13 00:01:25,460 --> 00:01:28,380 And I didn't understand what he meant. 14 00:01:29,256 --> 00:01:31,133 "I was born in Harlem, I was born in Harlem Hospital," 15 00:01:31,133 --> 00:01:32,926 I said. 16 00:01:32,926 --> 00:01:34,219 "I was born in New York." 17 00:01:34,219 --> 00:01:35,470 None of these answers satisfied him and he said, 18 00:01:35,470 --> 00:01:38,015 "Where was your mother born?" 19 00:01:38,015 --> 00:01:40,434 And I said, "She was born in Maryland." 20 00:01:41,101 --> 00:01:43,520 And I could see, though I didn't understand it, 21 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:45,605 that he was growing more and more disgusted with me. 22 00:01:46,898 --> 00:01:48,984 He was becoming more and more impatient. 23 00:01:48,984 --> 00:01:50,569 "Where was your father born?" 24 00:01:50,569 --> 00:01:52,571 "My father was born in New Orleans." 25 00:01:52,571 --> 00:01:54,906 "Yes," he said. "But, man, where were you born?" 26 00:01:54,906 --> 00:01:56,867 [light laughter] 27 00:01:56,867 --> 00:01:58,118 And I began to get it, you know? 28 00:01:58,118 --> 00:02:00,871 And I said-- well, I said, "My mother was born in Maryland, 29 00:02:00,871 --> 00:02:02,039 my father was born in New Orleans, 30 00:02:02,039 --> 00:02:03,206 and I was born in New York." 31 00:02:03,206 --> 00:02:05,167 He said, "But before that, where were you born?" 32 00:02:05,167 --> 00:02:08,003 [laughter] 33 00:02:10,672 --> 00:02:12,966 And I had to say, "I don't know." 34 00:02:13,967 --> 00:02:15,969 I could see that he did not believe me. 35 00:02:19,056 --> 00:02:21,475 I tried to explain, you know? 36 00:02:21,475 --> 00:02:22,601 "There's no way for me--" 37 00:02:22,601 --> 00:02:25,228 He said, "Don't you care enough to find out?" 38 00:02:26,188 --> 00:02:30,359 And I tried to explain that if I were originally-- originally 39 00:02:30,359 --> 00:02:34,863 from Dakar or from wherever I was in Africa, 40 00:02:35,238 --> 00:02:40,243 I couldn't find out where it was because my entry into America is 41 00:02:40,786 --> 00:02:43,038 a Bill of Sale. 42 00:02:43,663 --> 00:02:47,417 And that stops-- you know, that stops you from going any 43 00:02:47,417 --> 00:02:49,211 further. 44 00:02:49,211 --> 00:02:53,924 At some point in our history, I became... 45 00:02:53,924 --> 00:02:56,968 Baldwin's Nigger. That's how I got my name. 46 00:02:58,136 --> 00:03:00,389 Now, you know, that really cannot be considered, 47 00:03:00,389 --> 00:03:02,432 you know, my fault. 48 00:03:02,641 --> 00:03:04,434 It can't be considered the fault of the cat at the British 49 00:03:04,434 --> 00:03:07,020 Museum, either, that I don't-- that he doesn't know that I 50 00:03:07,020 --> 00:03:09,147 can't find that out. 51 00:03:11,024 --> 00:03:16,029 And I tell you that story to dramatize the nature of the 52 00:03:16,571 --> 00:03:20,909 distance created-- created deliberately. 53 00:03:21,201 --> 00:03:22,661 Because when I became Baldwin's Nigger; 54 00:03:22,661 --> 00:03:25,080 it's also very important to point out. 55 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,290 I was handcuffed to another man from another tribe whose 56 00:03:27,290 --> 00:03:29,459 language I did not speak. 57 00:03:29,918 --> 00:03:32,170 We did not know each other. 58 00:03:32,421 --> 00:03:34,423 And we could not speak to each other because if we could have 59 00:03:34,423 --> 00:03:36,174 spoken to each other we might have been able to figure out 60 00:03:36,174 --> 00:03:38,760 what was happening to us and if we could figure out what was 61 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:40,971 happening to us we might have been able to prevent it. 62 00:03:41,972 --> 00:03:46,226 We would have had, in short, a kind of solidarity, 63 00:03:46,226 --> 00:03:50,147 which is a kind of identity, which might have allowed us-- 64 00:03:50,147 --> 00:03:51,273 which might have made the history of slavery 65 00:03:51,273 --> 00:03:52,941 very different. 66 00:03:52,941 --> 00:03:54,568 The history of slavery in the North American continent, 67 00:03:54,568 --> 00:03:56,194 I mean. 68 00:03:56,194 --> 00:03:58,321 Well, that didn't happen and here we are. 69 00:04:01,366 --> 00:04:05,412 One of the most terrible things-- well, one of the most 70 00:04:05,412 --> 00:04:08,331 difficult things -- because it's some which one has and wants to 71 00:04:08,331 --> 00:04:12,210 resist as he had said and also to use -- is that, in fact, 72 00:04:12,210 --> 00:04:15,422 whether we like it or not, I am an American. 73 00:04:15,422 --> 00:04:17,382 Now, that is not-- I'm not Lyndon Johnson. 74 00:04:17,382 --> 00:04:19,134 I'm not saying that as, you know, 75 00:04:19,134 --> 00:04:21,094 "I'm an American!" 76 00:04:21,094 --> 00:04:22,554 I don't mean that, you know? 77 00:04:22,554 --> 00:04:24,514 [laughter] 78 00:04:24,514 --> 00:04:26,391 Alas, I mean something very different. 79 00:04:26,391 --> 00:04:28,602 [laughter] 80 00:04:29,019 --> 00:04:33,190 But I do mean that I was formed in a certain crucible. 81 00:04:34,399 --> 00:04:38,737 My school really was the streets of New York City. 82 00:04:38,737 --> 00:04:41,531 My frame of reference was 83 00:04:41,531 --> 00:04:44,785 George Washington and John Wayne, you know? 84 00:04:44,785 --> 00:04:47,162 [laughter] 85 00:04:47,162 --> 00:04:48,788 But I-- you know, I was a child, you know? 86 00:04:48,788 --> 00:04:50,040 I'm a child open his eyes on the world, 87 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,667 who usually sees; there is nothing else to use. 88 00:04:52,667 --> 00:04:54,836 And you are formed by what you see. 89 00:04:54,836 --> 00:04:57,422 The choices you have to make and the way you discover what it 90 00:04:57,422 --> 00:04:59,341 means to be Black in New York. 91 00:04:59,341 --> 00:05:00,634 I don't know how you discover what it means to be Black in 92 00:05:00,634 --> 00:05:03,094 London but I know what it means how you discover that in New 93 00:05:03,094 --> 00:05:05,847 York and then throughout the entire country. 94 00:05:06,681 --> 00:05:10,727 And I know how as you grow older you watch in the richest city in 95 00:05:10,727 --> 00:05:15,023 the world, you know, and the most-- the most famous, 96 00:05:15,023 --> 00:05:17,776 the richest, freest nation in the world. 97 00:05:17,776 --> 00:05:19,236 [laughter] 98 00:05:19,236 --> 00:05:21,530 In the Western World. 99 00:05:21,530 --> 00:05:24,616 I know how you watch, as you grow older, 100 00:05:24,616 --> 00:05:28,495 literally, now this is not a figure of speech; 101 00:05:28,495 --> 00:05:32,207 the corpses of your brothers and your sisters pile up around you. 102 00:05:32,999 --> 00:05:35,377 And not for anything they have done. 103 00:05:36,461 --> 00:05:38,547 They were too young to have done anything. 104 00:05:38,964 --> 00:05:41,132 And in any case, too helpless. 105 00:05:41,591 --> 00:05:45,720 But what one does realize is that... 106 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:50,600 when you try to stand up 107 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:54,271 and look the world in the face, like you had a right to be here. 108 00:05:56,356 --> 00:05:58,942 When you do that, without knowing this is the result of 109 00:05:58,942 --> 00:06:03,947 it, you have attacked the entire power structure of the 110 00:06:04,364 --> 00:06:06,366 Western World. 111 00:06:07,033 --> 00:06:12,038 If I one fine day discover... 112 00:06:14,874 --> 00:06:18,211 that I have been lied to... 113 00:06:20,130 --> 00:06:23,508 all the years of my life, 114 00:06:23,508 --> 00:06:27,262 and my mother and my father were being lied to. 115 00:06:27,971 --> 00:06:32,976 If I discover that, in fact, though I was bred and bought and 116 00:06:34,728 --> 00:06:37,814 sold like a mule... 117 00:06:37,814 --> 00:06:40,150 that I never really was a mule. 118 00:06:41,735 --> 00:06:46,156 If I discover that I was never really happy picking all that 119 00:06:46,156 --> 00:06:50,660 cotton and digging in all those mines 120 00:06:50,660 --> 00:06:52,996 to make other people rich. 121 00:06:53,538 --> 00:06:58,543 And if I discover that those songs the Darkies sang and sing 122 00:07:02,380 --> 00:07:07,344 were not just the innocent expressions of a primitive 123 00:07:07,344 --> 00:07:12,307 people but extremely subtle and difficult; 124 00:07:12,307 --> 00:07:15,518 dangerous and tragic... 125 00:07:15,518 --> 00:07:20,523 expressions of what it felt like to be in chains. 126 00:07:21,358 --> 00:07:24,527 Then by one's presence, simply, by the attempt to walk from here 127 00:07:24,527 --> 00:07:28,406 to there... 128 00:07:28,406 --> 00:07:31,076 you've begun to frighten the white world. 129 00:07:32,661 --> 00:07:35,914 They've always known that you were not a mule. 130 00:07:37,999 --> 00:07:42,712 They have always known that no one wishes to be a slave. 131 00:07:44,172 --> 00:07:48,551 They have always known that the bales of cotton in them-- in the 132 00:07:48,551 --> 00:07:53,556 textile mills and entire metropolises built on Black 133 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,558 labor. 134 00:07:55,558 --> 00:07:58,436 That the Black was not doing it out of love. 135 00:07:59,312 --> 00:08:01,481 He was doing it under the whip. 136 00:08:03,066 --> 00:08:07,904 The threat-- The threat of the gun and the even more desperate 137 00:08:07,904 --> 00:08:10,949 and subtle threat of the Bible. 138 00:08:16,830 --> 00:08:19,749 Now, then... 139 00:08:20,166 --> 00:08:23,211 one is watching, according to me, 140 00:08:24,254 --> 00:08:26,548 in the streets of Southeast Asia. 141 00:08:32,846 --> 00:08:36,015 What must be considered... 142 00:08:37,434 --> 00:08:41,771 as a final act of the white, 143 00:08:41,771 --> 00:08:46,693 Christian European industrial drama. 144 00:08:49,946 --> 00:08:53,533 Speaking as an American reading the news, 145 00:08:53,533 --> 00:08:58,538 and looking at the pictures, the streets of Saigon resemble 146 00:08:59,748 --> 00:09:04,169 nothing so much to me as the streets of Detroit. 147 00:09:05,754 --> 00:09:10,759 And in both cities, precisely the same war is being waged. 148 00:09:13,344 --> 00:09:15,638 That war... 149 00:09:15,638 --> 00:09:19,267 may it spread to engulf the globe. 150 00:09:20,310 --> 00:09:23,938 And lets speak plainly. 151 00:09:24,731 --> 00:09:29,736 We know, everybody knows, no matter what the professions of 152 00:09:30,403 --> 00:09:35,408 my unhappy country may be, that we are not bombing people out of 153 00:09:37,118 --> 00:09:40,538 existence in the name of freedom. 154 00:09:41,790 --> 00:09:44,292 If it were freedom we were concerned about, 155 00:09:44,292 --> 00:09:46,920 then long, long ago we would have done something about 156 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:50,423 Johannesburg, South Africa. 157 00:09:50,423 --> 00:09:53,259 If we were concerned with freedom, 158 00:09:53,259 --> 00:09:56,596 boys and girls, not as I stand here, 159 00:09:56,596 --> 00:10:00,892 would be perishing in the streets of Harlem. 160 00:10:02,018 --> 00:10:05,230 We are concerned with power, nothing more than that. 161 00:10:06,314 --> 00:10:08,399 And most unluckily for the Western World, 162 00:10:08,399 --> 00:10:12,487 it's consolidated its power on the backs of people who are now 163 00:10:12,487 --> 00:10:17,450 going to die rather than be used any longer. 164 00:10:18,660 --> 00:10:22,705 In short, the economic arrangement of the Western World 165 00:10:22,705 --> 00:10:25,667 proved to be too expensive for most of the world. 166 00:10:26,668 --> 00:10:30,380 And the Western World will change these arrangements or 167 00:10:30,380 --> 00:10:33,007 these arrangements will be changed for them. 168 00:10:34,008 --> 00:10:37,637 This is what is beneath all the rhetoric and all those rather 169 00:10:37,637 --> 00:10:40,890 shameful speeches coming from my President. 170 00:10:40,890 --> 00:10:43,977 [light clapping] 171 00:10:43,977 --> 00:10:48,982 This imposes on us, then, a very considerable burden. 172 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:53,611 I, for example, do have in principle at least a choice 173 00:10:53,611 --> 00:10:56,072 of... 174 00:10:57,991 --> 00:11:00,577 how can I put it? Of becoming a good American. 175 00:11:01,411 --> 00:11:04,706 I can make a living -- [laughs] at least I could. 176 00:11:09,335 --> 00:11:12,171 I'm well enough known to be an ornament. 177 00:11:12,171 --> 00:11:15,174 [light laughter] 178 00:11:15,925 --> 00:11:20,930 In short, I could ally myself... 179 00:11:22,140 --> 00:11:27,145 on the side of what I most seriously consider to be a 180 00:11:29,564 --> 00:11:32,901 criminal nation. 181 00:11:34,319 --> 00:11:38,823 But if I can't do that, then I have to examine all the reasons 182 00:11:38,823 --> 00:11:43,077 I can't and find it in myself to precisely the terms of my 183 00:11:43,077 --> 00:11:45,288 connection with other people. 184 00:11:45,288 --> 00:11:46,831 One has tried, I tried for a long time, 185 00:11:46,831 --> 00:11:48,666 in my own person, in things I wrote, 186 00:11:48,666 --> 00:11:50,835 in things I said. 187 00:11:50,835 --> 00:11:52,503 I don't mean that I was alone but I'm using myself as an 188 00:11:52,503 --> 00:11:54,631 example... 189 00:11:55,048 --> 00:11:59,260 to convey to my countrymen -- white and Black-- 190 00:11:59,260 --> 00:12:04,265 the nature of our danger and where we were going to go if we 191 00:12:06,434 --> 00:12:10,229 could not resolve the situation in our cities and in our 192 00:12:10,229 --> 00:12:14,734 streets, in our houses, if brother could not deal with 193 00:12:14,734 --> 00:12:17,654 brother because in American continent 194 00:12:17,654 --> 00:12:19,113 they talk about the color problem, 195 00:12:19,113 --> 00:12:22,825 but the truth is, that no white American is sure he's white. 196 00:12:22,825 --> 00:12:25,536 [laughter] 197 00:12:26,621 --> 00:12:29,916 And every American Negro, visibly is no longer an African. 198 00:12:31,626 --> 00:12:34,963 And we know what happened. And we know who had the whip. 199 00:12:34,963 --> 00:12:37,757 So it was not my grandmother who raped anybody. 200 00:12:37,757 --> 00:12:40,468 [laughter] 201 00:12:42,470 --> 00:12:44,597 Well... 202 00:12:45,932 --> 00:12:50,937 if the day comes, when you realize, and you don't want 203 00:12:51,020 --> 00:12:55,984 to realize it, that you cannot make yourself heard, 204 00:12:55,984 --> 00:13:00,989 that the people who-- you are addressing a plea, 205 00:13:01,781 --> 00:13:05,827 for them and for you and the plea is a very simple one. 206 00:13:06,786 --> 00:13:08,746 It's saying, "Look at it." 207 00:13:08,746 --> 00:13:12,333 Forget all the mountains of nonsense that have been written, 208 00:13:12,333 --> 00:13:14,544 and everything that's been said. 209 00:13:14,544 --> 00:13:16,963 Forget the Negro problem. 210 00:13:16,963 --> 00:13:19,215 Don't write any voting acts. 211 00:13:19,215 --> 00:13:22,093 We had that. It's called 15th Amendment. 212 00:13:22,093 --> 00:13:25,680 We earned the Civil Rights of the 1964! 213 00:13:25,680 --> 00:13:28,141 What you had to look at is what is happening in this country and 214 00:13:28,141 --> 00:13:30,560 what is really happening is that brother has murdered brother 215 00:13:30,560 --> 00:13:33,312 knowing it was his brother. 216 00:13:33,688 --> 00:13:37,400 White men have lynched Negroes knowing them to be their sons! 217 00:13:38,109 --> 00:13:40,486 White women have had Negroes burned knowing them to be their 218 00:13:40,486 --> 00:13:42,780 lovers. 219 00:13:42,780 --> 00:13:46,826 It is not a racial problem, it's a problem of whether or not 220 00:13:46,826 --> 00:13:50,580 you're willing to look at your life and be responsible for it 221 00:13:50,580 --> 00:13:54,000 and then begin to change it. 222 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,462 That great Western House I come from is one house and I'm one of 223 00:13:57,462 --> 00:13:59,714 the children of that house, simply, 224 00:13:59,714 --> 00:14:02,550 I'm the most despised child of that house. 225 00:14:02,884 --> 00:14:06,387 And it because the American people are unable to face the 226 00:14:06,387 --> 00:14:10,099 fact that I the fact I'm flesh of their flesh, 227 00:14:10,099 --> 00:14:14,395 bone of their bone, created by them. 228 00:14:14,395 --> 00:14:19,400 My blood, my father's blood is in that soil. 229 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,779 They can't face that! 230 00:14:22,779 --> 00:14:27,784 And that is why the city of Detroit went up in flames! 231 00:14:29,035 --> 00:14:34,040 And that is why the city of the Saigon was under martial law. 232 00:14:39,337 --> 00:14:44,342 I know that in 400 years in that house, 233 00:14:46,719 --> 00:14:51,724 they do not know who I am and I cannot marry their daughters or 234 00:14:53,476 --> 00:14:56,729 go to their churches. 235 00:14:56,729 --> 00:14:59,982 I would have to be a much more stupid man that I am to believe 236 00:14:59,982 --> 00:15:03,903 they know anything at all about those people in the Asian 237 00:15:03,903 --> 00:15:06,364 jungles. 238 00:15:06,364 --> 00:15:10,827 According to me, they liberated me, 239 00:15:11,953 --> 00:15:15,248 before they got around to Asia and it was liberation difficult 240 00:15:15,248 --> 00:15:16,916 to bear. 241 00:15:16,916 --> 00:15:18,751 Many didn't survive it. 242 00:15:18,751 --> 00:15:23,005 It seems to me though that the great is difficulty that we 243 00:15:23,005 --> 00:15:24,841 face. 244 00:15:24,841 --> 00:15:29,846 It's first of all to excavate our actual history and I'm part 245 00:15:31,848 --> 00:15:35,977 of the history which occurred in the Caribbean. 246 00:15:35,977 --> 00:15:39,689 And you were part of the history which occurred in Harlem. 247 00:15:39,689 --> 00:15:41,607 And one's got to find the terms. 248 00:15:41,607 --> 00:15:45,486 One's gotta accept that and find that how to use that. 249 00:15:49,407 --> 00:15:53,369 And one's got to decide, I think, 250 00:15:53,369 --> 00:15:58,374 that the actual and the moral basis on which the world we know 251 00:15:58,457 --> 00:16:03,462 now rests, are obsolete. 252 00:16:03,921 --> 00:16:08,217 It must be changed. 253 00:16:08,217 --> 00:16:10,511 And as far they are obsolete, they are wicked. 254 00:16:10,511 --> 00:16:14,515 And as far they are obsolete, they are oppressive. 255 00:16:14,515 --> 00:16:17,685 It is simply not conceivable that for another 500 years or 256 00:16:17,685 --> 00:16:21,814 200 years or 100 years that the Blacks of South Africa, 257 00:16:21,814 --> 00:16:26,819 for an example, should live and die in the mines, 258 00:16:29,572 --> 00:16:32,533 being treated like animals to make other people rich. 259 00:16:33,284 --> 00:16:38,289 That is simply not-- the civilization which is doing 260 00:16:38,289 --> 00:16:41,375 this, by doing this, dooms itself. 261 00:16:41,375 --> 00:16:46,047 It is not possible to agree with it nor it is possible to 262 00:16:46,047 --> 00:16:49,842 compromise with it. 263 00:16:49,842 --> 00:16:53,012 Freedom is not-- 264 00:16:53,012 --> 00:16:58,017 Freedom is a much-- much overused word and it 265 00:16:59,018 --> 00:17:03,648 may not be as real as slavery, which is a very concrete thing. 266 00:17:06,317 --> 00:17:09,904 But freedom is what one's after. 267 00:17:11,572 --> 00:17:16,577 And as it cannot, I suppose, be given, 268 00:17:21,082 --> 00:17:24,460 then it obviously must be taken. 269 00:17:26,295 --> 00:17:31,300 They are many ways to take it but before we can discover this, 270 00:17:31,968 --> 00:17:35,346 we have to discover how to reunite ourselves, 271 00:17:36,013 --> 00:17:38,558 in terms on which we can speak to each other, 272 00:17:38,558 --> 00:17:40,309 the terms in which in fact, to put it bluntly, 273 00:17:40,309 --> 00:17:43,229 we can plot against the master. 274 00:17:44,981 --> 00:17:49,068 And unless, anyone misunderstand me, 275 00:17:49,068 --> 00:17:52,405 I'm not really talking about color and I'm not talking about 276 00:17:52,405 --> 00:17:54,156 race. I don't really believe in race. 277 00:17:54,156 --> 00:17:56,784 I don't really believe in color. 278 00:17:56,784 --> 00:17:59,120 But I do know what I see. 279 00:18:00,746 --> 00:18:03,416 I do know 280 00:18:03,416 --> 00:18:06,877 that in the very same way 281 00:18:06,877 --> 00:18:09,088 that the American Negro situaion... 282 00:18:09,088 --> 00:18:11,507 man, it's everybody in the country, 283 00:18:11,507 --> 00:18:14,760 and now it is visible! 284 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:18,597 What happened in Detroit is the, is perfectly logical and the 285 00:18:18,597 --> 00:18:21,600 lesson is plain. 286 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:26,606 What happened says, "If I can't live in this city, 287 00:18:28,149 --> 00:18:31,110 you can't live in this city, either." 288 00:18:31,110 --> 00:18:35,239 When a city goes-- everybody in the city is under martial law. 289 00:18:35,489 --> 00:18:38,409 If I can't walk out and buy a loaf of bread, 290 00:18:38,409 --> 00:18:40,828 safely, neither can the housewife that's why he's on the 291 00:18:40,828 --> 00:18:43,622 range, learning how to use a pistol, 292 00:18:43,622 --> 00:18:44,707 in the land of the free and the home of the brave. 293 00:18:44,707 --> 00:18:47,460 [laughter] 294 00:18:47,460 --> 00:18:50,046 They are confusing themselves with the Indians. 295 00:18:50,046 --> 00:18:52,298 No, they're back on the wagon train. 296 00:18:52,298 --> 00:18:56,177 But we all know who's in the streets of America. 297 00:18:57,803 --> 00:19:02,183 We know to whom we are referring when we talk about crime in the 298 00:19:02,183 --> 00:19:04,226 streets. 299 00:19:05,561 --> 00:19:09,523 We know the son of the President of Pan-Am is not in the streets. 300 00:19:11,484 --> 00:19:14,070 Only one person in the streets -- that's me! 301 00:19:15,363 --> 00:19:20,368 And they're plotting to shoot me in the name of freedom, 302 00:19:22,578 --> 00:19:27,583 dignified by law, and I'm supposed to agree. 303 00:19:28,334 --> 00:19:30,711 I'm supposed to agree. 304 00:19:30,711 --> 00:19:32,797 No, no. No sir. 305 00:19:32,797 --> 00:19:36,717 I won't be dishonoring no more. 306 00:19:37,051 --> 00:19:39,553 At last, the party's over. 307 00:19:39,553 --> 00:19:41,889 The question is what shall we do? 308 00:19:41,889 --> 00:19:45,142 Everyone knows that the question is in everybody's lap. 309 00:19:45,142 --> 00:19:48,354 From Washington to London to Bonn. 310 00:19:48,354 --> 00:19:49,939 Everybody knows it. 311 00:19:49,939 --> 00:19:52,358 They are trying to figure out what to do. 312 00:19:52,358 --> 00:19:54,485 We should figure out what to do. 313 00:19:54,485 --> 00:19:55,945 Thank you. 314 00:19:55,945 --> 00:19:59,031 [applause] 315 00:20:18,843 --> 00:20:20,845 Thank you very much. Now you're suppose to 316 00:20:20,845 --> 00:20:22,388 talk to me. 317 00:20:22,388 --> 00:20:23,556 [laughter] 318 00:20:23,556 --> 00:20:24,890 Now, I'll sit down. 319 00:20:24,890 --> 00:20:26,142 -[man] Why do you call a man Negro? 320 00:20:26,142 --> 00:20:27,643 Why don't you just call him a Black man? 321 00:20:27,643 --> 00:20:29,979 There's no country of the Negro, do you know that? 322 00:20:29,979 --> 00:20:31,814 -[James] Yes, I'm aware of that. I know that. 323 00:20:31,814 --> 00:20:34,358 -[man] So why do you call a Negro not Black man? 324 00:20:35,234 --> 00:20:36,527 -[James] Can I try to explain now? 325 00:20:36,527 --> 00:20:37,945 -[man] Yes. 326 00:20:37,945 --> 00:20:40,281 [laughter] 327 00:20:42,491 --> 00:20:45,119 -[James] Listen. 328 00:20:45,661 --> 00:20:50,666 It was not I -- nor any Black man in America -- who invented 329 00:20:51,417 --> 00:20:53,085 the word "Negro." 330 00:20:53,085 --> 00:20:55,629 It is not I who wrote that on my birth certificate. 331 00:20:56,422 --> 00:20:58,966 It is not I who invented that language. 332 00:20:59,175 --> 00:21:01,051 I understand the purpose of your question. 333 00:21:01,051 --> 00:21:02,928 There indeed is no country called Negro. 334 00:21:02,928 --> 00:21:05,139 I know that. 335 00:21:05,139 --> 00:21:08,267 But you must understand, too, 336 00:21:08,267 --> 00:21:10,478 that I can not change my vocabulary over night. 337 00:21:10,478 --> 00:21:12,646 I may agree with you. 338 00:21:12,646 --> 00:21:14,773 But we've been called-- we've been called-- and we've called 339 00:21:14,773 --> 00:21:18,527 ourselves American Negros for over nearly 400 years. 340 00:21:19,069 --> 00:21:23,866 Now do you suppose that because it angers you that suddenly an 341 00:21:23,866 --> 00:21:26,744 entire nation is able to change its vocabulary? 342 00:21:28,329 --> 00:21:30,581 In any case, I distrust the emphasis on the vocabulary, 343 00:21:30,581 --> 00:21:31,832 you know? 344 00:21:31,832 --> 00:21:36,712 Your generation, not mine, will call itself Black. 345 00:21:36,712 --> 00:21:39,173 That's good enough for me. 346 00:21:39,173 --> 00:21:40,674 That's the whole point. 347 00:21:40,674 --> 00:21:45,304 My mother-- my mother's mother called herself a Nigger. 348 00:21:45,304 --> 00:21:47,723 You must understand the nature of oppression. 349 00:21:47,723 --> 00:21:50,684 The most subtle effect of oppression is that-- what it 350 00:21:50,684 --> 00:21:52,520 does to your mind. 351 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,231 What it does to the way you think about yourself. 352 00:21:55,231 --> 00:21:58,400 The whole cornerstone rests there. 353 00:21:58,651 --> 00:22:01,987 If you understand that, then you can see, 354 00:22:01,987 --> 00:22:04,865 I think, that even though my mother's mother called herself a 355 00:22:04,865 --> 00:22:08,327 Nigger, she managed to raise a family and instill somehow in 356 00:22:08,327 --> 00:22:11,580 her children some sense-- some dignity, 357 00:22:11,580 --> 00:22:14,542 which did not depend on the word. 358 00:22:14,542 --> 00:22:18,504 One had to learn how to use those terms in order to survive 359 00:22:18,504 --> 00:22:21,840 and even to triumph. 360 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:26,720 -In view of the situation that is really now happening that has 361 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:31,725 gone past, how do you envision the Black man's personality, 362 00:22:32,142 --> 00:22:34,144 let's say, within 50 years? 363 00:22:34,144 --> 00:22:37,356 I'm asking you kind of just to, you know, 364 00:22:37,356 --> 00:22:39,817 try to say what you can. Tell me about it. 365 00:22:39,817 --> 00:22:41,902 -[James] In 50 years? 366 00:22:41,902 --> 00:22:45,614 -In the next 50 years. 367 00:22:50,035 --> 00:22:52,162 [applause] 368 00:22:52,830 --> 00:22:54,832 -This a reckless question and I'll try to give a reckless 369 00:22:54,832 --> 00:22:56,292 answer. 370 00:22:56,292 --> 00:22:58,419 [laughter] 371 00:22:58,419 --> 00:23:00,838 I don't know if this is, so, I'll tell you what I would like 372 00:23:00,838 --> 00:23:03,465 and what I hope. 373 00:23:03,465 --> 00:23:08,178 I think that Black people, you know? 374 00:23:08,178 --> 00:23:12,099 There's a Black experience, let's put it this way. 375 00:23:12,099 --> 00:23:15,352 And I'm deliberately trying to distinguish the Black experience 376 00:23:15,352 --> 00:23:19,398 from the Christian-- the white Christian European experience. 377 00:23:19,398 --> 00:23:22,943 It's easier the Black personality then has a 378 00:23:22,943 --> 00:23:24,820 kind of vigor. 379 00:23:24,820 --> 00:23:26,864 A kind of vitality. 380 00:23:26,864 --> 00:23:29,241 And a kind of... 381 00:23:29,241 --> 00:23:32,494 a sense of life, of something in which 382 00:23:32,494 --> 00:23:34,330 that is not come from here. 383 00:23:34,330 --> 00:23:37,499 But comes in from much deeper regions. 384 00:23:37,499 --> 00:23:42,504 I think, the African personality is not so compartmentalized. 385 00:23:43,380 --> 00:23:48,385 I think that Europeans-- the European personality in the main 386 00:23:49,053 --> 00:23:52,556 and this implies a very severe judgment of Christianity. 387 00:23:53,182 --> 00:23:56,018 A very severe judgement is not an indictment. 388 00:23:56,018 --> 00:24:00,064 I think they are terribly worried about the flesh. 389 00:24:00,064 --> 00:24:02,566 The senses. 390 00:24:02,566 --> 00:24:04,818 I think they live in checks and balances which are really very 391 00:24:04,818 --> 00:24:06,111 nearly pathological. 392 00:24:06,111 --> 00:24:09,031 You see them in relief in America. 393 00:24:09,031 --> 00:24:13,452 Because an American-- in America I precisely am the flesh, 394 00:24:14,286 --> 00:24:17,289 which the Christians must mortify. 395 00:24:17,289 --> 00:24:21,126 Now, according to me and what I hope for in the future, the 396 00:24:21,126 --> 00:24:22,878 flesh is all you have. 397 00:24:22,878 --> 00:24:26,256 If you mortify that, there's no hope for you. 398 00:24:27,549 --> 00:24:30,594 Everything you find out you find out through your senses. 399 00:24:32,221 --> 00:24:35,224 Everything that-- Everything awful that happens to you and 400 00:24:35,224 --> 00:24:37,226 everything marvelous that happens to you, 401 00:24:37,226 --> 00:24:38,811 happens to you in this frame. 402 00:24:38,811 --> 00:24:40,354 This tenement. 403 00:24:40,354 --> 00:24:43,399 This mortal envelope. 404 00:24:43,399 --> 00:24:45,984 Which should be. 405 00:24:45,984 --> 00:24:49,154 Instead of beating it with chains. 406 00:24:49,154 --> 00:24:52,366 And hammering nails through it and hanging it on crosses. 407 00:24:52,366 --> 00:24:55,744 It should be the celebration. 408 00:24:55,744 --> 00:24:58,497 Your life, your body. 409 00:24:58,497 --> 00:25:02,501 And if that concept comes back into the world... 410 00:25:02,501 --> 00:25:06,296 it will come back only through in the Black people who've been 411 00:25:06,296 --> 00:25:07,965 submerged so long. 412 00:25:07,965 --> 00:25:11,427 And that will change not only the Black personality but that 413 00:25:11,427 --> 00:25:13,137 will change the world. 414 00:25:13,137 --> 00:25:18,142 I've seen janitors -- Black janitors -- in overalls prouder 415 00:25:18,308 --> 00:25:21,729 than any English king. 416 00:25:21,729 --> 00:25:25,107 With a much more real pride. 417 00:25:25,774 --> 00:25:27,860 And that is what I would like to see. 418 00:25:27,860 --> 00:25:30,112 Any way the change of the personality would come about in 419 00:25:30,112 --> 00:25:35,117 that direction cause as-- as one begins to come out of the mines 420 00:25:37,327 --> 00:25:41,039 and strike off the chains by some miracle, 421 00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:45,919 what was nearly murdered in Africa is still there. 422 00:25:45,919 --> 00:25:49,047 Humanity can not be destroyed. 423 00:25:49,047 --> 00:25:51,300 And that's what's coming back. 424 00:25:51,300 --> 00:25:54,428 -You said something earlier in one of your books. 425 00:25:54,428 --> 00:25:57,181 Quite contemptuously, I thought that, um, 426 00:25:57,181 --> 00:25:59,600 you thought it irrelevant to trace your roots back to the 427 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:00,851 village. 428 00:26:00,851 --> 00:26:01,977 -[James] I beg your pardon? 429 00:26:01,977 --> 00:26:03,479 -You said something in one of your books. 430 00:26:03,479 --> 00:26:07,191 Quite contemptuously, I thought, that you thought it irrelevant 431 00:26:07,191 --> 00:26:09,067 to trace your roots back to some African village. 432 00:26:09,067 --> 00:26:11,320 -[James] No. 433 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:12,613 -From what you said here tonight, 434 00:26:12,613 --> 00:26:14,406 have you moved away from that position? 435 00:26:14,406 --> 00:26:16,575 -[James] I have a problem certain that I never said that. 436 00:26:16,575 --> 00:26:18,368 [laughter] 437 00:26:18,368 --> 00:26:20,162 I might have but I very much doubt it. 438 00:26:20,162 --> 00:26:22,581 [laughter] 439 00:26:22,581 --> 00:26:25,334 -You said you thought it unnecessary to trace your roots 440 00:26:25,334 --> 00:26:26,919 back to Africa? 441 00:26:26,919 --> 00:26:28,337 -[James] I think you're talking about an essay called "A 442 00:26:28,337 --> 00:26:31,173 Stranger in the Village?" 443 00:26:31,173 --> 00:26:33,008 I was making a comparison between the days the European's 444 00:26:33,008 --> 00:26:37,137 arrived in my African village and, you know, what they thought 445 00:26:37,137 --> 00:26:39,306 of me and what I thought of them. 446 00:26:39,848 --> 00:26:43,310 And I was not being contemptuous at all. 447 00:26:43,310 --> 00:26:44,353 At all. 448 00:26:44,353 --> 00:26:46,855 I was saying, "This is what happened." 449 00:26:46,855 --> 00:26:50,150 I have to look at -- this is what happened. 450 00:26:50,150 --> 00:26:52,778 When they had Beethoven, Bach and all of these things and the 451 00:26:52,778 --> 00:26:55,614 Christian faith and the cross and all those horses and guns 452 00:26:55,614 --> 00:26:57,491 and boats. 453 00:26:57,491 --> 00:27:00,160 I was perfectly happy in Africa watching the conqueror arrive. 454 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,704 [laughter] 455 00:27:02,704 --> 00:27:04,873 It was an examination for myself of my history. 456 00:27:05,582 --> 00:27:08,877 And certainly not meant to be contemptuous. 457 00:27:09,503 --> 00:27:11,338 -[woman] We from the West Indies, 458 00:27:11,338 --> 00:27:14,925 you may or may not total understand... 459 00:27:14,925 --> 00:27:17,135 because we are-- we are British. 460 00:27:17,135 --> 00:27:21,473 We are West British. I mean, we are British Colony. 461 00:27:21,473 --> 00:27:23,559 -[man] [inaudible] -[woman] What? 462 00:27:23,559 --> 00:27:25,269 -Quiet. -[woman] Quiet time. 463 00:27:25,269 --> 00:27:28,772 [laughter] 464 00:27:28,772 --> 00:27:33,569 I mean, call it British diplomacy if you wish, but we 465 00:27:33,569 --> 00:27:36,071 are obviously, as far as I can see, 466 00:27:36,071 --> 00:27:38,282 look at the color problem 467 00:27:38,282 --> 00:27:40,659 different than into the American Negro. 468 00:27:40,659 --> 00:27:44,746 [jeering] 469 00:27:45,247 --> 00:27:47,416 Now that we are in England-- 470 00:27:47,416 --> 00:27:49,167 Now that I am in England, 471 00:27:49,167 --> 00:27:51,169 I'm very glad I'm back in England because I'm more 472 00:27:51,169 --> 00:27:53,046 aware of the fact I am a Negro. 473 00:27:53,046 --> 00:27:55,799 In Jamaica I wasn't aware of the fact because it's very 474 00:27:55,799 --> 00:27:57,426 cosmopolitan. 475 00:27:57,426 --> 00:27:59,928 I mean in Jamaica, we-- I don't know if you ever been to it? 476 00:27:59,928 --> 00:28:02,139 We have more a shade problem. 477 00:28:02,139 --> 00:28:05,726 [overlapping chatter and applause] 478 00:28:07,853 --> 00:28:11,648 Anyway the point I'm trying to get across is I never knew I was 479 00:28:11,648 --> 00:28:14,109 a real Negro until I came to England. 480 00:28:14,109 --> 00:28:15,986 I know it now -- that's why I'm here. 481 00:28:15,986 --> 00:28:17,613 I am very honest. 482 00:28:17,613 --> 00:28:19,197 I was here the other night with Mr. Gregory -- 483 00:28:19,197 --> 00:28:20,198 Dick, rather. 484 00:28:20,198 --> 00:28:23,035 [laughter] 485 00:28:29,833 --> 00:28:32,002 You can't drink water from the same glass as a man and don't 486 00:28:32,002 --> 00:28:33,712 call him Dick. 487 00:28:33,712 --> 00:28:36,757 [laughter] 488 00:28:52,856 --> 00:28:54,566 The point I want to get across is-- 489 00:28:54,566 --> 00:28:56,902 The point I want to get across is... 490 00:28:56,902 --> 00:29:00,155 which is better: Integration or Black Power? 491 00:29:01,823 --> 00:29:03,617 -Is that a question? 492 00:29:03,617 --> 00:29:05,619 -[woman] [inaudible] just explain. 493 00:29:05,619 --> 00:29:08,330 [laughter] 494 00:29:08,330 --> 00:29:12,709 -I don't-- In the first place I don't see there's necessarily a 495 00:29:12,709 --> 00:29:14,086 division between them. 496 00:29:14,086 --> 00:29:16,588 But let me-- let me take Black Power first. 497 00:29:16,588 --> 00:29:18,632 -[woman] Yeah. 498 00:29:18,632 --> 00:29:22,135 -And Integration later. 499 00:29:22,135 --> 00:29:24,137 Black Power is a very simple phrase and I don't know 500 00:29:24,137 --> 00:29:26,098 why everyone gets so upset about Black Power. 501 00:29:26,098 --> 00:29:29,101 When watching the effects of white power all over the world. 502 00:29:29,101 --> 00:29:31,520 [cheers and banging] 503 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,105 And no one even questions it. 504 00:29:33,105 --> 00:29:35,399 And no one even questions the white power which is destroying 505 00:29:35,399 --> 00:29:40,195 thousands men and women and children in-- in Vietnam. 506 00:29:40,195 --> 00:29:43,615 That power because it is power is sacred. 507 00:29:43,615 --> 00:29:45,158 -[woman] Yeah. 508 00:29:45,158 --> 00:29:47,577 -No one-- No one-- No one questions it. 509 00:29:47,577 --> 00:29:49,371 The power of the Bible and the Holy Ghost. 510 00:29:49,371 --> 00:29:51,289 [laughter] 511 00:29:51,289 --> 00:29:52,457 [banging] 512 00:29:52,457 --> 00:29:54,418 The term "Black Power," you know, 513 00:29:54,418 --> 00:29:57,879 strikes terror into many people's minds because it 514 00:29:57,879 --> 00:30:01,550 implies precisely the over throw of the Bible and the Holy Ghost 515 00:30:01,550 --> 00:30:03,218 at least they think so. 516 00:30:03,218 --> 00:30:06,013 And it does actually means that. 517 00:30:06,013 --> 00:30:09,516 What it means is that Black people -- this is all it 518 00:30:09,516 --> 00:30:14,521 mens -- that Black people have in their own hands the control 519 00:30:14,855 --> 00:30:16,648 of their own destiny. 520 00:30:16,648 --> 00:30:18,191 That's all it means. 521 00:30:18,191 --> 00:30:20,402 The English has a great phrase for it. 522 00:30:20,402 --> 00:30:22,154 They're very proud of the phrase. 523 00:30:22,154 --> 00:30:25,449 It's called a self determination of peoples. 524 00:30:25,449 --> 00:30:27,159 That's all it means. 525 00:30:27,159 --> 00:30:30,704 As for Integration, that is not our goal. 526 00:30:30,704 --> 00:30:32,289 -[man] No? -No, at all. 527 00:30:32,289 --> 00:30:36,209 That is precisely is our problem. 528 00:30:38,295 --> 00:30:41,131 -It's a very simple question. 529 00:30:41,131 --> 00:30:46,136 Do you think that there is any place for the white liberal in 530 00:30:47,596 --> 00:30:49,056 the Black Power movement? 531 00:30:49,056 --> 00:30:51,308 [loud jeering] 532 00:30:54,561 --> 00:30:56,188 And when you answer this question, 533 00:30:56,188 --> 00:30:58,398 could you be kind enough to give the reasons? 534 00:30:58,398 --> 00:31:01,651 Because I've attended a lot of-- meetings on the subject of Black 535 00:31:01,651 --> 00:31:06,114 Power at which in particular English people feel very hurt 536 00:31:06,114 --> 00:31:08,408 because you get the line from said platform, 537 00:31:08,408 --> 00:31:11,036 "We don't want you." 538 00:31:11,036 --> 00:31:13,789 Could you give me the benefit of your thoughts on this? 539 00:31:14,498 --> 00:31:17,250 -I suppose "liberal" refers to political tradition coming 540 00:31:17,250 --> 00:31:19,628 out of the North of Europe, you know, 541 00:31:19,628 --> 00:31:22,756 in finding his roots, you know, whatever it's base is in England 542 00:31:22,756 --> 00:31:24,966 and in America. 543 00:31:24,966 --> 00:31:29,846 But to my ear as a Black man, a white liberal is immediately 544 00:31:29,846 --> 00:31:32,974 suspect because it is indistinguishable and one's got 545 00:31:32,974 --> 00:31:34,559 to face this. 546 00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:37,646 You might as well say a white missionary because that's the 547 00:31:37,646 --> 00:31:39,564 association. 548 00:31:39,564 --> 00:31:42,484 And it is also alas very often -- not always -- 549 00:31:42,484 --> 00:31:47,197 but very, very often the role and the effect but deeper than 550 00:31:47,197 --> 00:31:52,202 that and more important than that there's also this... 551 00:31:52,244 --> 00:31:55,539 that from a historical point of view, no matter how miserable my 552 00:31:55,539 --> 00:31:57,916 situation is... 553 00:31:57,916 --> 00:32:00,627 from a historical point of view at this hour of the world's 554 00:32:00,627 --> 00:32:05,632 history, I'm advantage over you because I'm compelled -- 555 00:32:06,216 --> 00:32:09,886 I'm speaking about myself as a Black man not as a... 556 00:32:09,886 --> 00:32:13,390 I'm compelled to doubt my history, to examine it. 557 00:32:13,390 --> 00:32:16,351 I'm compelled to try to create it. 558 00:32:16,351 --> 00:32:18,770 I'm trying to excavate my history from all the rubble that 559 00:32:18,770 --> 00:32:21,189 has buried it for so many hundred of years. 560 00:32:21,189 --> 00:32:24,234 That means I have to question everything. 561 00:32:24,234 --> 00:32:28,238 Where as the white liberals have precisely opposite position of 562 00:32:28,238 --> 00:32:33,243 being in the main unwilling, 563 00:32:33,785 --> 00:32:36,538 as well as unable, 564 00:32:36,538 --> 00:32:39,207 to examine the forces 565 00:32:39,207 --> 00:32:41,251 which have brought him to where he is, 566 00:32:41,251 --> 00:32:44,254 which have created him, in fact... 567 00:32:44,254 --> 00:32:48,133 to-- to make which must be very difficult. 568 00:32:48,675 --> 00:32:52,262 To know the quite of part from whatever his own attitude, 569 00:32:52,262 --> 00:32:56,016 aspirations, morality; whatever they may be. 570 00:32:56,016 --> 00:32:59,019 His is never the less, well he now likes it. 571 00:32:59,019 --> 00:33:02,314 The power of the people-- he is part of the people who in this 572 00:33:02,314 --> 00:33:06,985 very hour are jailing some Black boy in Mississippi for this very 573 00:33:06,985 --> 00:33:10,238 hour are whipping some Black African slave. 574 00:33:10,238 --> 00:33:13,366 You know who-- this very hour are perpetrating those 575 00:33:13,366 --> 00:33:16,912 tremendous enormities against a [inaudible] of people who look 576 00:33:16,912 --> 00:33:18,622 like me. 577 00:33:18,622 --> 00:33:22,500 And furthermore, that... 578 00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:24,920 his-- I hate to use this word but in the 579 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:29,925 sense that innocence-- that innocence can be, in crucial 580 00:33:30,842 --> 00:33:34,721 moments, a very grave danger. 581 00:33:35,847 --> 00:33:40,227 It can menace much, much more than the white liberal can 582 00:33:40,227 --> 00:33:42,729 imagine. 583 00:33:42,729 --> 00:33:45,190 You see... 584 00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:49,069 you can't, after all-- 585 00:33:49,069 --> 00:33:51,321 My brother's got to say, you know-- 586 00:33:51,321 --> 00:33:53,365 my family -- let's put it that way -- 587 00:33:53,365 --> 00:33:56,243 have forged, out of our own experience, 588 00:33:56,243 --> 00:33:57,744 ways of talking to each other. 589 00:33:57,744 --> 00:34:00,163 Ways of, you know, in making deals with each other like that 590 00:34:00,163 --> 00:34:02,457 because we-- it's the same way it happen to us, 591 00:34:02,457 --> 00:34:03,375 you know? 592 00:34:03,375 --> 00:34:05,877 I ain't got to explain thing to brother, David, you know? 593 00:34:05,877 --> 00:34:06,753 We just look at each other. 594 00:34:06,753 --> 00:34:09,506 Not even look at each other and we both know, you know? 595 00:34:09,506 --> 00:34:11,341 We both know. 596 00:34:11,341 --> 00:34:14,177 Now, you can't, in some moments, you don't have the time to 597 00:34:14,177 --> 00:34:17,264 explain to somebody else, you know? 598 00:34:17,264 --> 00:34:19,099 That's how we got the spiritual called "Steal Away." 599 00:34:19,099 --> 00:34:21,101 It's not about stealing away Jesus. 600 00:34:21,101 --> 00:34:22,978 [laughter] 601 00:34:22,978 --> 00:34:26,356 It's a time table, you know? 602 00:34:26,356 --> 00:34:27,774 Somebody-- Somebody's splitting, you know? 603 00:34:27,774 --> 00:34:30,819 You know what to do because he's leaving. 604 00:34:30,819 --> 00:34:32,404 He's stealing away. 605 00:34:32,404 --> 00:34:34,614 You can't always explain that. 606 00:34:34,614 --> 00:34:37,325 And, at last, we got to face this... 607 00:34:37,325 --> 00:34:38,868 got to face this... 608 00:34:38,868 --> 00:34:42,580 that in many, many, many Black Power meetings, 609 00:34:42,580 --> 00:34:46,918 you know, some of the most eminent liberals turned out to 610 00:34:46,918 --> 00:34:48,670 be working for the CIA. 611 00:34:48,670 --> 00:34:50,255 [laughter] 612 00:34:50,255 --> 00:34:52,465 Now, it's true, too, on the other hand 613 00:34:52,465 --> 00:34:54,801 that many-- you know, many Black people were also working for the 614 00:34:54,801 --> 00:34:59,055 CIA, but you -- in this context -- 615 00:34:59,055 --> 00:35:03,101 you the white liberal in this context suffer from your color 616 00:35:03,101 --> 00:35:05,562 exactly as I suffer from my color in another and more brutal 617 00:35:05,562 --> 00:35:06,771 context. 618 00:35:06,771 --> 00:35:08,273 And must got to face that. 619 00:35:08,273 --> 00:35:10,567 And when you face it, one can deal with it and then it doesn't 620 00:35:10,567 --> 00:35:11,735 matter. 621 00:35:11,735 --> 00:35:13,445 But I don't think it serves any purpose to get one feelings 622 00:35:13,445 --> 00:35:14,571 hurt. 623 00:35:14,571 --> 00:35:16,990 Because it's not the matter of my liberation, for example. 624 00:35:16,990 --> 00:35:18,658 It's also the matter of yours. 625 00:35:18,658 --> 00:35:20,660 And if you're working, we're working together it's not 626 00:35:20,660 --> 00:35:22,412 because we are going to do something for the poor Black 627 00:35:22,412 --> 00:35:24,831 people because we're going to do something for each other. 628 00:35:24,831 --> 00:35:27,625 To save this really rather frightening world. 629 00:35:28,585 --> 00:35:32,088 -What was the question about the cheered up for the average 630 00:35:32,088 --> 00:35:34,549 American Negro to it's Christianity? 631 00:35:34,549 --> 00:35:39,262 My impression is one worship in a [inaudible] twice a week and 632 00:35:39,262 --> 00:35:42,223 sing beautiful songs. 633 00:35:43,933 --> 00:35:48,021 -[James] The vote of the American Negro population is a 634 00:35:48,021 --> 00:35:49,731 very complicated question to answer. 635 00:35:49,731 --> 00:35:53,109 I know I can't do it justice tonight. 636 00:35:53,109 --> 00:35:56,154 The bulk of the American Negro population is Christian or, at 637 00:35:56,154 --> 00:35:58,073 least, it thinks it is. 638 00:35:58,073 --> 00:36:01,618 Now, you have to-- 639 00:36:01,618 --> 00:36:05,705 When one begins to examine it, you discover that there are some 640 00:36:05,705 --> 00:36:07,749 very crucial differences between white Christianity and Black 641 00:36:07,749 --> 00:36:09,417 Christianity. 642 00:36:09,417 --> 00:36:12,712 Even at some celebrated churchs [inaudible] church. 643 00:36:12,712 --> 00:36:17,092 And this is partly because -- to minimize it, 644 00:36:17,092 --> 00:36:18,718 to understate it -- 645 00:36:18,718 --> 00:36:22,931 the church is operated in the life of the American Negro, 646 00:36:22,931 --> 00:36:25,433 who was once the Black African slave, 647 00:36:25,433 --> 00:36:28,603 as his only-- his only forum. 648 00:36:29,104 --> 00:36:33,650 His-- His only place where he was relatively free. 649 00:36:33,650 --> 00:36:38,655 And is also the place in which he was able to act out, 650 00:36:38,905 --> 00:36:43,910 to sing out, to dance out his pride and his terrors and his 651 00:36:44,536 --> 00:36:47,122 desire for revenge. 652 00:36:47,122 --> 00:36:48,957 All those sermons are bloodthirsty. 653 00:36:48,957 --> 00:36:51,418 Their not talking about devils and Samson and Delilah; 654 00:36:51,418 --> 00:36:52,877 any of those things. 655 00:36:52,877 --> 00:36:55,004 They're talking about the master. 656 00:36:55,004 --> 00:36:57,257 In a song which says-- it's supposed to be about Samson. 657 00:36:57,257 --> 00:36:59,843 The master always thought it was about Samson only now he thinks 658 00:36:59,843 --> 00:37:02,345 it's about something else. 659 00:37:02,345 --> 00:37:05,306 Man says, the slave says, "If I had my way-- 660 00:37:05,306 --> 00:37:07,392 If I had my way 661 00:37:07,392 --> 00:37:09,978 I'd tear this building down." 662 00:37:09,978 --> 00:37:12,689 That sounds like a very happy and innocent church song. 663 00:37:12,689 --> 00:37:14,190 It's lethal. 664 00:37:14,190 --> 00:37:17,527 [laughter] 665 00:37:17,527 --> 00:37:22,532 [laughing] And the American Black Christian is becoming more 666 00:37:23,032 --> 00:37:25,493 and more aware of what of the real content of his 667 00:37:25,493 --> 00:37:28,079 Christianity, which is not the content of the Church of 668 00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:29,914 England. 669 00:37:29,914 --> 00:37:32,125 It has been one of the incidents of our salvation. 670 00:37:32,125 --> 00:37:34,210 One of the techniques of our salvation. 671 00:37:34,210 --> 00:37:36,212 And now we know it. 672 00:37:36,212 --> 00:37:38,089 So whether one is a Christian at that point, 673 00:37:38,089 --> 00:37:39,757 I don't know. 674 00:37:39,757 --> 00:37:42,802 It doesn't matter since one knows how to use what one's 675 00:37:42,802 --> 00:37:45,847 history is. 676 00:37:46,931 --> 00:37:48,099 -[man] Excuse me. 677 00:37:48,099 --> 00:37:50,143 We're going to stop questioning for the time being and we are 678 00:37:50,143 --> 00:37:52,687 going to have a few words from Dick Gregory. 679 00:37:52,687 --> 00:37:57,692 [applause] 680 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,949 -I really haven't got... 681 00:38:05,325 --> 00:38:07,535 too much to say but I'm very glad that I 682 00:38:07,535 --> 00:38:12,332 was able to be here tonight for my brother James and... 683 00:38:12,332 --> 00:38:13,875 you're a very groovy speaker, man. 684 00:38:13,875 --> 00:38:16,336 [laughter] 685 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,550 'Cause you got in show business and I guess I have to go home 686 00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:24,177 and write me another book. 687 00:38:24,177 --> 00:38:26,763 [laughter] 688 00:38:26,763 --> 00:38:31,518 I-- I have enjoyed very well... 689 00:38:31,518 --> 00:38:36,523 listening and watching and 690 00:38:37,857 --> 00:38:42,320 Jim made a very important point that when you create an action a 691 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:47,325 writer have to watch and then come up and write on the action. 692 00:38:47,909 --> 00:38:52,914 And I think this is very important when we read 693 00:38:54,749 --> 00:38:59,754 works of a social writer like this... 694 00:38:59,837 --> 00:39:02,799 I observed you the audience here 695 00:39:02,799 --> 00:39:07,387 tonight which is been very interesting. 696 00:39:07,387 --> 00:39:10,723 For instance, the fellow who's gone now 697 00:39:10,723 --> 00:39:15,103 who questioned why we in America call ourselves Negros and not 698 00:39:15,103 --> 00:39:17,397 Blacks. 699 00:39:17,397 --> 00:39:20,400 And well, here in this country you refer yourself 700 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,026 as "Coloreds." 701 00:39:22,026 --> 00:39:26,823 [laughter] 702 00:39:27,699 --> 00:39:32,412 And so I think we got to understand that all of us is put 703 00:39:32,412 --> 00:39:35,957 in the same trick, you know? 704 00:39:35,957 --> 00:39:40,962 In America, they charge me more money for automobile insurance 705 00:39:41,254 --> 00:39:44,215 and they will never admit that in the Negro neighborhood they 706 00:39:44,215 --> 00:39:47,176 have poor lighting on the streets and bad streets and 707 00:39:47,176 --> 00:39:50,096 small streets and overcrowded conditions. 708 00:39:50,096 --> 00:39:54,434 So I have more cars per acre than white folks have. 709 00:39:54,434 --> 00:39:57,145 So naturally I got more accidents per acre than white 710 00:39:57,145 --> 00:39:59,188 folks have. 711 00:39:59,188 --> 00:40:03,151 But in here as me and my brother was discussing today they charge 712 00:40:03,151 --> 00:40:07,196 you more for license because they say you a bad driver and 713 00:40:07,196 --> 00:40:10,742 then turn around and 60 percent of the bus drivers is Black. 714 00:40:10,742 --> 00:40:13,911 [laughter and applause] 715 00:40:15,121 --> 00:40:18,041 And so how you can never understand how he gets by with 716 00:40:18,041 --> 00:40:19,083 some of his stuff... 717 00:40:19,083 --> 00:40:22,503 [laughter] 718 00:40:22,503 --> 00:40:24,922 we can't understand how here he gets by. 719 00:40:24,922 --> 00:40:27,216 In closing, let me say this... 720 00:40:29,552 --> 00:40:31,554 in vaguely asking the gentlemen's question 721 00:40:31,554 --> 00:40:36,017 here about white liberalism... 722 00:40:36,017 --> 00:40:40,938 we are getting to the part now where we are getting kind of 723 00:40:40,938 --> 00:40:44,567 sassy and kind of belligerent and, you know, 724 00:40:44,567 --> 00:40:45,652 it's just like a game. 725 00:40:45,652 --> 00:40:48,863 Life is a game, you know? 726 00:40:48,863 --> 00:40:50,823 You'd play baseball when you was a kid and you'd say, 727 00:40:50,823 --> 00:40:53,660 "Okay, let me hit a couple." 728 00:40:53,660 --> 00:40:57,830 [laughter] 729 00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:07,340 And, you know, like Black folks that have gone to wars in what I 730 00:41:07,340 --> 00:41:09,884 call "white man's armies." 731 00:41:09,884 --> 00:41:13,429 Without Black folks being at the top issue line. 732 00:41:13,429 --> 00:41:15,807 In America, there is no Black people in the Pentagon and they 733 00:41:15,807 --> 00:41:17,266 send us to battle. 734 00:41:17,266 --> 00:41:20,937 And we have gone for years without questioning where he was 735 00:41:20,937 --> 00:41:23,564 sending me or why I was going. 736 00:41:23,564 --> 00:41:25,650 And now we're saying, "Okay, white folks, 737 00:41:25,650 --> 00:41:28,111 it's your turn." 738 00:41:28,111 --> 00:41:29,904 You know, I'm going to be the General and you're going to be 739 00:41:29,904 --> 00:41:31,364 the private. 740 00:41:31,364 --> 00:41:32,824 [laughter] 741 00:41:32,824 --> 00:41:35,159 This is the way you going to march. 742 00:41:35,159 --> 00:41:36,494 When you get through marching over there you're going to come 743 00:41:36,494 --> 00:41:39,539 back here; I might pay you and I might not. 744 00:41:39,539 --> 00:41:43,292 [laughter] 745 00:41:45,086 --> 00:41:50,091 So what we really trying to say is Black-- we say we don't want 746 00:41:51,134 --> 00:41:53,928 no white liberals -- that's right -- 747 00:41:53,928 --> 00:41:56,639 because, you see, the word "white liberal" is an 748 00:41:56,639 --> 00:42:01,644 unconscious racist statement because nobody's ever admit it 749 00:42:01,686 --> 00:42:05,815 that we got Black liberals who's far more worse than 750 00:42:05,815 --> 00:42:08,359 white liberals ever been. 751 00:42:08,359 --> 00:42:10,486 [laughter] 752 00:42:10,486 --> 00:42:12,196 [applause] 753 00:42:12,196 --> 00:42:15,658 And we also say we don't want them... 754 00:42:15,658 --> 00:42:17,869 in the movement. 755 00:42:17,869 --> 00:42:22,290 You see, a Black Liberal in America is the cult doctor 756 00:42:22,290 --> 00:42:24,000 because when we demonstrate, they say, 757 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,168 "We shouldn't." 758 00:42:25,168 --> 00:42:27,211 But after we finish, he becomes the first public health 759 00:42:27,211 --> 00:42:28,713 commissioner. 760 00:42:28,713 --> 00:42:30,590 [laughter] 761 00:42:30,590 --> 00:42:34,677 And so we say in that can you come with us and cease being 762 00:42:34,677 --> 00:42:38,097 white-- see, we need bodies, 763 00:42:38,097 --> 00:42:40,391 and we need cats that think Black regardless of how white 764 00:42:40,391 --> 00:42:41,684 you are. 765 00:42:41,684 --> 00:42:44,854 Because, you see, I have run across Negros who's much 766 00:42:44,854 --> 00:42:48,274 lighter and act more whiter than you. 767 00:42:48,274 --> 00:42:52,570 And so I have to take their word for them if I can't take 768 00:42:52,570 --> 00:42:54,489 their attitude. 769 00:42:54,489 --> 00:42:57,158 And when I was in show business and people asked me, 770 00:42:57,158 --> 00:42:59,494 "What percentage of white folks do you think is laughing at your 771 00:42:59,494 --> 00:43:01,788 humor because they are guilty?" 772 00:43:01,788 --> 00:43:05,291 And my answer to them was, "I can not look at a cat and just 773 00:43:05,291 --> 00:43:07,043 because he's light and look white, 774 00:43:07,043 --> 00:43:08,461 assume that he's white. 775 00:43:08,461 --> 00:43:12,006 Because he might not be a white cat and be laughing without a 776 00:43:12,006 --> 00:43:13,841 damn thing to be guilty of." 777 00:43:13,841 --> 00:43:16,177 [laughter] 778 00:43:16,177 --> 00:43:18,012 [applause] 779 00:43:18,012 --> 00:43:22,350 And so what we are really saying is that Black Power and we don't 780 00:43:22,350 --> 00:43:24,101 white folks in the movement. 781 00:43:24,101 --> 00:43:27,313 You see, white is not a color -- it's a attitude. 782 00:43:27,313 --> 00:43:29,649 Black is not a color -- it's a attitude. 783 00:43:29,649 --> 00:43:33,236 [applause] 784 00:43:34,111 --> 00:43:36,572 So the whitest, white cat with, you know-- 785 00:43:36,572 --> 00:43:40,868 Father Groppi proved this in Milwaukee. 786 00:43:40,868 --> 00:43:45,164 The most strongest Black Nationalist that's ever lived in 787 00:43:45,164 --> 00:43:50,169 modern times was not in Africa or not Malcolm X was a white cat 788 00:43:50,211 --> 00:43:52,839 in America named John Brown. 789 00:43:52,839 --> 00:43:55,883 Because John Brown caught some wrong doing white folks and told 790 00:43:55,883 --> 00:44:00,263 his son who was also white to kill them for what they have 791 00:44:00,263 --> 00:44:01,556 done to my brother. 792 00:44:01,556 --> 00:44:03,432 And his son said, "I can't do it, Daddy." 793 00:44:03,432 --> 00:44:05,935 And he said, "If you don't kill them, I will kill you!" 794 00:44:05,935 --> 00:44:09,105 Now, I don't know a Black cat yet, man, that's ready to wipe 795 00:44:09,105 --> 00:44:13,025 out his family because of somebody [inaudible] me. 796 00:44:13,025 --> 00:44:15,403 [applause] 797 00:44:15,403 --> 00:44:17,947 And so this whole thing we talking about have nothing to do 798 00:44:17,947 --> 00:44:19,574 with color at all, man. 799 00:44:19,574 --> 00:44:21,909 It has something to do with an attitude. 800 00:44:21,909 --> 00:44:24,412 But now we shifting color. 801 00:44:24,412 --> 00:44:27,415 You see, in China if you to a funeral dressed in a black 802 00:44:27,415 --> 00:44:30,001 outfit, you'd probably be stoned. 803 00:44:30,001 --> 00:44:32,503 Because in China white represents death. 804 00:44:32,503 --> 00:44:35,756 [laughter] 805 00:44:40,845 --> 00:44:43,222 As hip as I am in the Civil Rights movement -- and as many 806 00:44:43,222 --> 00:44:47,560 things that I know from a laymen's stand point -- I've had 807 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:51,898 a very brilliant education tonight listening to you, and 808 00:44:51,898 --> 00:44:53,316 I want to thank you. 809 00:44:53,316 --> 00:44:54,859 -[James] Thank you. 810 00:44:54,859 --> 00:44:58,237 [applause] 811 00:45:02,700 --> 00:45:05,953 ♪"I Shall Be Released" by The Heptones♪ 64278

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