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This programme contains
very strong language

and allegations of domestic violence

that some viewers may find upsetting

I just don't know
what to make of this case.

I seem to have spent half of my life

listening to these two
in courtrooms.

What's hard to understand
why someone that's supposed

to love you could be that cruel.

He just kicked me in the back.

I don't know who to believe.

It didn't happen.

I don't know how much
of it is true. They're two actors.

You can really just feel how much
of a psychopath this woman is!

Jury deliberations are under way
in the Johnny Depp

and Amber Heard defamation trial.

I've never been this nervous
for a verdict before.

That was a TikTok trial. Why are we
all so fascinated with this case?

Because they're famous?
Because of the details?

Think it's all of the above.

Jury trials are supposed
to focus on law and facts.

The jury hears what
made it in to evidence.

I won't see him any more!

You are such a baby!
Grow the fuck up!

You've got the wrong girl.

What didn't the jury see?

45 documents were unsealed
by Judge Penney.

Good morning. This is so wild!

What wasn't allowed during
the course of this trial?

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen,
you may be seated.

All right, your next witness.

Your Honour,
defendant calls Amber Heard.

Just a reminder, Miss Heard,
you're still under oath, OK?

For sure. Thank you. Thank you.

All right, your question?

How have you suffered publicly?

Objection, speculation.

Overruled.

I am harassed.

Amber's a liar!

Humiliated.

I was just sitting there, on this,

on this carpet, looking
at the dirty carpet,

wondering how I wound up
on this carpet!

Threatened. Every single day.
People want to kill me.

People want to put my baby in
the microwave. They tell me that.

What has it been like
for you to listen

to Miss Heard's testimony
at this trial?

It's... It's insane...

..to hear heinous accusations
of violence,

sexual violence, that she's

attributed to me,
that she's accused me of.

This is horrible. This is painful.

And this is humiliating
for any human being

to go through.

And perhaps it's easy
to forget that I'm a human being.

Brutal, cruel, um...

..and all false.

All false.

I just want Johnny
to leave me alone!

Just want him to leave me alone.

I just find the whole thing
uncomfortable to watch.

I haven't plugged in
to it at all cos I just...

I don't really want to see such
intimate detail of something...

Dirty laundry, isn't it?

Yeah. Yeah. It's like a movie.
Yeah. It's really like a movie.

And these are really serious
allegations here,

but it has become kind

of dramatised, you know,
before our very eyes.

The jury has a very,

very tough job here, trying
to decide who the abuser is,

who the victim is. I mean,

it's really a wild trial here.

It's not just about
defamation any more.

They really have
a big, difficult job here.

There is only one person

to have ever witnessed Johnny
be physically violent

with Amber,

and it's her little sister,
Whitney Heard.

Today we'll be digging into
all the nitty gritty of

the staircase incident

with Johnny,
Amber and her sister, Whitney.

This happened about a week
after the Australia incident.

I believe that this is from what's
been called the staircase incident.

I woke up to Amber in my bedroom,

saying, "Can you believe
he's cheating on me?"

I went down there to talk

to him,
and I can tell he's clearly drunk.

I found his iPad open,
he was texting someone.

He was texting this woman, um,

that he had had
a sexual relationship with.

I saw that he had gone to her house

after we got married.

Unbelievably painful.
Unbelievably painful.

Do you recall what Miss Heard
was upset about at this time?

I do not. I really don't.

Amber and I are on
the little mezzanine,

the kitchen's down here
and the mezzanine's up here,

you know,
he's calling her a fucking whore,

a fucking cunt, a used-up trash bag,
you know, whatever.

They were saying horrible things
to one another -

she was calling him old and fat.

He bolted up the stairs.

Whitney, her sister,

was there who,
who stepped in the way.

He comes up behind me,
strikes me in the back,

kind of just somewhere over here,

he strikes me in the back,
I hear Amber shout,

"Don't hit my fucking sister!"

Amber snuck in the... She reached,

got the roundhouse in
and nailed me on the cheekbone.

By that time, Johnny had
already grabbed Amber by

the hair with one hand

and was whacking her repeatedly
in the face with

the other as I was standing there.

It is the only instance
where a witness,

Amber's sister, is claiming

to have actually witnessed
first-hand assault alleged

against Johnny Depp.

Grabbed Amber by the hair
with one hand

and was whacking her repeatedly
in the face with the other.

I don't hesitate, I don't wait,

I just in my head instantly think
of Kate Moss and the stairs.

Amber Heard in her direct
testimony mentioned Kate Moss.

One interesting thing
that's happened that now

the internet's going crazy
over is he turned

and gave her, like, did a fist pump,
right, to his co-counsel.

There's a concept in trial law
called opening the door,

like, maybe there's something
we both agree is irrelevant,

but on my side of things
it would help me

and help my case,

but I know I can't bring it up

because the judge says it's
irrelevant or it's too prejudicial

or whatever.

Don't say that.

Kate Moss and the stairs.

Johnny Depp picked up
on it first, actually,

he smiled,

like, I can't believe she just said
that, because it opened the door.

Yeah. Kate Moss was
not going to testify.

This was a real pivotal moment

because this allowed both Ben Chew

and Camille Vasquez

to say that there are no
other victims here, right?

You thought he was going
to throw your sister down

the stairs, like he had thrown
Kate Moss down the stairs, right?

He swung at Whitney,
and I'd heard a rumour,

a big rumour, about that.
And so it's what I thought of.

If Kate Moss were to come in

and say, "No, Johnny was never
physically abusive or anything

"to me," then that would be
a really big detrimental thing

to Amber's case.

The jurors are told, "It's your
job to evaluate credibility,"

and, you know, if you find someone
is lying on one issue,

you can conclude
they're liars in general.

I know the truth about Johnny.

The relationship between
Johnny Depp and Kate Moss,

a lot of people in

the media back then,
when they were dating,

it was looked at as somewhat
of a volatile relationship.

Johnny Depp was arrested
for trashing a hotel room.

I believe in fairness.

And justice. I believe in the truth.

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.
Please be seated. Next witness.

Good morning, Your Honour.

Mr Depp calls Kate Moss
to the stand.

Thank you, Ma'am,
if you could raise your right hand.

Do you swear to tell
the truth under penalty of law?

I do. Thank you.

For how long, Miss Moss, were you
and Mr Depp a romantic couple?

'94 to 1998.

What, if anything,

happened when you were in
Jamaica with Mr Depp?

We were leaving the room
and, as I left the room,

I slid down the stairs
and I hurt my back.

Did Mr Depp push you in
any way down the stairs?

No.

And during the course
of your relationship,

did he ever push you
down any stairs?

No, he never pushed me,

kicked me
or threw me down any stairs.

Thank you, Miss Moss.

Thank you very much. Thank you.

These jurors are supposed
to be listening

to every single word
of everything that's going on.

The problem is they might
stop listening to you

because at that moment they
no longer find you credible.

That moment was very
damaging for Amber Heard.

Don't know what the jury is thinking

but, if it's a credibility game,
which it is,

they may have tuned out
to the rest of her case.

..Was whacking her repeatedly
in the face with the other.

Because of that very moment.

This case rests on the sentence,
the first sentence, of that article.

Yeah.

"I became the face of domestic
violence", and the case really is...

The worst case is, "We're going to
prove that everything you've said

"is not true."

All right, your next witness.

"You're making this stuff up."

Could you state your full name
for the record?

Shannon Curry.

What do you do for a living?

I am a clinical
and forensic psychologist.

How did you get involved
in this case?

I was asked by Counsel
for Mr Depp to provide

a psychological evaluation
of Miss Heard.

Were you ever asked to do

a psychological evaluation
of Mr Depp?

No.

During this trial, both sides
have been using mental health

and substance addiction
as weapons against

the other team,

and what usually happens
is the people bringing

the case usually have
a mental health expert diagnosing

the opposing person with
a bad mental health disorder.

The results of Miss Heard's
evaluation supported two diagnoses -

borderline personality disorder and
histrionic personality disorder.

And then the person
defending themselves in

the trial will typically try to say,

no, no, no,
I don't have that bad diagnosis,

I have something that evokes
more pity from a jury

and an audience,
something like PTSD.

OK, so I met with Miss Heard
for a total of about 29 hours.

The main opinion is that
Miss Heard's report

of intimate partner
violence is consistent

with what we know in

the field about intimate
partner violence

and that Miss Heard demonstrated
very clear psychological

and traumatic effects.

And did you arrive at any
diagnostic conclusions?

I diagnosed Miss Heard with
post-traumatic stress disorder.

Miss Heard did not have PTSD,

and there were also pretty

significant indications that
she was grossly exaggerating

symptoms of PTSD.

We know that, if somebody suffers
childhood abuse as a child,

they're much more likely
then to be more vulnerable

to getting PTSD.

She was raised in
a family of violence -

she was physically abused
by her father,

she saw her father abuse her mother,

and both her parents also struggled

with substance abuse
very significantly.

So she had learned from
a very early age how to caretake.

When it comes to histrionic,

a lot of the key features
are going to be drama,

extreme discomfort with not
being the centre of attention,

extreme efforts to be
the centre of attention,

and, when they feel that they're not

the centre of attention, you
will see making up stories to

try to get attention,

often taking on
a victim or princess role.

She learned that she
could love someone who hurts her.

She knew that people who
hurt her also can love her.

It also represented

the quick shifts you'll
see between emotions,

so she would suddenly be one way

and then she would
become very animated.

People who are observing them will
feel like it's almost playacting.

It became about whether people
thought she was lying,

how Heard was acting on
the stand. She looked shifty.

As it sort of snowballed
out of control, it became much,

much, much, much less about
an actual simple yes/no question.

Can she call herself
a victim of domestic abuse?

Let's go back to...

..there was a plane incident where
Depp allegedly kicked Amber Heard

on a plane, I believe
it was in 2014.

Just going back
to the incident where Depp

and Heard got in a fight
on an airplane.

So I'm going to take you to
the Boston plane incident.

The plan, we'd go back to LA
for his daughter's birthday,

and I get on the plane and I, um...

I just knew in every cell
of my body something was wrong.

You just boil it down
to that one incident,

all the little details, like,
don't really have anything

to do with proving
whether a crime happened,

but the goal is
to prove that she's lying.

Good morning, Mr Wyatt. Morning.

Mr Wyatt,

was Mr Depp consuming any
alcohol on that flight?

Sure, yes.

Did he seem intoxicated?

Seem intoxicated?

No, he seemed like Johnny.
No, he seemed normal.

He reeks of weed and alcohol.
I mean, his breath smelled so bad.

Well, she was giving Johnny
the cold shoulder,

being quiet and, you know,
seemed pouty.

We had argued the night before.

She was looking for a fight,

and I had taken two of these...

..opiates, these Roxycodones.

He was mad at me for taking
the job with James Franco.

James and Amber!

He hated James Franco. So he, um,

is asking me about how
the sex scene went

to asking me what James Franco
had done in the scene.

He was saying really
disgusting things -

about my body, about how I liked it.

He called me a slut
in front of people.

To what extent were you able
to see Mr Depp and Miss Heard?

Er, it...

I was able to see them very clearly.

Wasn't Mr Depp saying pretty
horrible things to Miss Heard?

I don't recall that.

Like, "Get fucked on set.

"Get fucked with fucking James
fucking Franco." Did you hear that?

I don't recall.

Did you hear him say at least,
"You fucking liked it"? No.

Did you hear him say, "I bet
you slipped the tongue in there

"and you liked it"? No.

Did you hear him say,

make references to Amber's pussy
and asking her if her pussy was wet?

Your Honour, lack of
foundation, harassment.

We'll get...
Did you hear any of that?

No, not that I recall.

Overrule the objection.

I, at some point in this,
get up, I walk away from him,

my back is turned to him,
and I feel this boot in my back.

He just kicked me in the back.
I didn't...

I thought to myself,
I don't know what to do.

No-one said anything,
no-one did anything,

it was like you could...

..you could hear a pin
drop on that plane.

You could feel the tension,
but no-one did anything.

Felt so embarrassed that he
could kick me to the ground

in front of people.

To what extent, if any, did you
observe Mr Depp or Miss Heard hit,

kick or throw anything at
each other on the plane?

No. I don't recall that at all.

As he got worse,

he demanded the oxygen tank
from the flight attendant.

You shared an oxygen tank

with Mr Depp on that Boston
plane, didn't you? No.

He continued to drink
and then, eventually, um,

started howling like an animal
and passed out in the bathroom.

With the door locked.

Mr Wyatt, did you see Mr Depp
go to the back of the plane

and pass out and moan loudly?

I don't recall that. You
don't recall that either? No.

OK. Did you leave the plane
with Mr Depp?

I went to my own home.

OK. And what was Mr Depp's state?

I don't recall.

You don't recall if he
was passed out or not?

No.

As you're sitting here
today under oath,

you honestly can't remember
if Mr Depp was passed out?

I don't know.

And Mr Depp could have kicked
Amber on that plane, right?

Not that I saw.

When you got off
the plane from Boston,

you knew Miss Heard was angry
with you, didn't you?

She was always angry, yes.

And you asked Mr Deuters,
he was your personal...

Mr Deuters was your personal
assistant, correct?

Yeah, Mr Deuters was one of them,
yes, sir.

Right, and it wasn't uncommon
for you to ask Mr Deuters

to communicate with Miss Heard
on your behalf, correct?

It wasn't uncommon
for any of them to communicate

with Miss Heard on my behalf.

Deuters never testified

so, with Depp on the witness
stand for the second time,

here's what happened when
Amber Heard's defence attorney tried

to show texts from Depp's
assistant to the jury.

Can you pull up exhibit 229, please?

Based on Mr Depp's testimony,

I'd ask for the admission
of exhibit 229.

Your Honour, can we
please approach? Sure.

Some people are saying in the chat,

the Deuters text,
if that's what we're about to see,

they're not going to
look good for Johnny.

Came up in the UK trial as well, um,

about kicking...
something about kicking Amber.

They didn't get that
Deuters stuff in. OK.

After that side bar,
attorney Ben Rottenborn moves on

and those texts
stay out of evidence.

Why would you want to
exclude evidence?

Because it hurts you, that's why.

Depp is a master actor, dude.

He seduced all of us
by barely moving.

It's your decision whether you want
to separate the art from the artist.

Erm, I think Johnny Depp
is a terrific actor,

I also happen to think
he's a violent lover.

He's a likeable guy, other than
these horrific allegations, right?

Everybody loved him in
The Pirates Of The Caribbean,

and there's a little bit of what's
called a halo effect around him.

But that's why these photos,
the texts, the testimony

is so devastating cos it shatters
that perception we have of Mr Depp.

Paul Bettany's a good friend
that you've done drugs with, right?

That's a strange question. Erm,
Paul Bettany's a good friend, yes.

The two of you shared
an enjoyment of controlled drugs

and alcohol at that time.
Yes, or no?

Yes. You've done drugs with him?
Yes, I have. Cocaine, right?

Er, cocaine, yes. Alcohol?

Alcohol, yes.

Now you try to conduct yourself
as a gentleman, right? Yes, sir.

Mr Depp, this is a text message
exchange that you had with

Paul Bettany on June 11th, 2013.

You text Mr Bettany,
"Let's burn Amber!" Do you see that?

I do see that.
The next text down, you say,

"Let's drown her before we burn her!

"I will fuck her burnt
corpse afterwards

"to make sure she is dead."
Did I read that right?

You certainly did, yes.
And you wrote that about

the woman who would later become
your wife. Yes, I did.

Dark humour.

The text messages that...
I apologise

that everyone's had to experience,

I am ashamed of...
of some of the references made,

I'm...embarrassed that at the time,

the heat of the moment,

the heat of the pain, um,

that I was feeling, um,

went to...went to dark places.

All right, thank you,
you may be seated. All right,

closing arguments, Mr Rottenborn.

OK, thank you.
Good morning, everyone.

Think about the message that Mr Depp

and his attorneys
are sending to Amber,

and, by extension, to every victim
of domestic abuse everywhere.

When Mr Depp brought
this case for defamation,

Miss Heard went all-in.
She spun a story of shocking,

overwhelming, brutal abuse.

If you didn't take pictures,
it didn't happen.

If you did take pictures,
they're fake.

She came in to this courtroom
prepared to give the performance

of her life, and she gave it.

You didn't seek medical treatment,
you weren't injured.

If you did seek medical treatment,
you're crazy.

Now it's time for you, the jury,
to come to a decision.

This trial is about so much more
than Johnny Depp versus Amber Heard.

What is at stake in this trial
is a man's good name.

It's about the freedom of speech,
stand up for it, protect it.

What is at stake at this trial
is a man's life.

And reject Mr Depp's claims
against Amber.

The life that he lost when he was
accused of a heinous crime.

He doesn't stop there,
because in Mr Depp's world

you don't leave Mr Depp.

And the life he could live
when he was finally vindicated.

And if you do,

he will start a campaign
of global humiliation against you.

The mountain of evidence that
Mr Depp abused Miss Heard

is simply not there.

A smear campaign
that lasts to this very day.

Either he hit her countless times

or you can't believe a single word
that comes out of her mouth.

He will do everything he can
to destroy your life,

to destroy your career.

All right. It is out of my hands.

So just a reminder that you're not
to read anything about this case,

you're not to watch anything
about this case,

you're not to listen
to anything about this case.

This applies to television,
newspapers, magazines,

the internet and any online sites.
Further, you're not to read, watch

or listen to anything about the case
on social media internet sites.

Er, any blogs or similar sites.

In addition you must not communicate
with anyone about the case...

Tonight, with his high-profile
defamation case now in the hands

of the jury, Johnny Depp
is letting his hair down -

the actor spotted performing
onstage in England

after explosive
closing arguments Friday.

Dear Johnny Depp, I stand with you.

I stand with you.

On TikTok the

..now has nearly 20 billion views,

while the #JUSTICEFORAMBERHEARD

has 77.5 million.

# Well, I do

# I'm a member, leave it cold
like December, yeah... #

Jury's been dismissed
for the weekend, so that's it,

now we have a long weekend

and wait until Tuesday.
What are we going to do?

Guys, is anyone else freaking out?

We have to wait an entire weekend

to see what's going on in this case.

Sorry for shaking the camera,
but I am stressed,

I'm not gonna be able to relax now,

I'm going to be thinking about this
all weekend, I am freaking out.

"How long is this going to take?"

If you think about it right now,

Johnny Depp in the public is about
as radioactive as Chernobyl soil.

And there is a real risk that not
only could he lose this case

as the plaintiff, but there's a $100
million counterclaim against him,

so this thing could get real bad,
even worse, real fast for Mr Depp.

I thought it was important
to come out because she didn't
really have any supporters out here.

I think especially today
I'm the only one out here.

Man, my heart is racing.
It is literally like...boof!

I've never been this nervous
for a verdict before.

So we've got literally five minutes,
so, guys, which way

is it going to do? I've asked you
and on the poll,

it's gone up to 74% of you
think that Johnny will win,

with neither being the next choice.

So you're in court now, whatever
else is going on in your life

it's like, "I'm sorry,
court has resumed."

Oh, here's the barn witch,
here she is.

Oh, shit, oh, shit!

She looks so happy, oh, I can't wait
to see that smile turn upside down.

Fingers crossed.
Fingers crossed.

Yeah, Amber Heard is the only one
in court, Johnny Depp is
currently in the UK.

He's not at the courtroom,
she's gone to the courtroom,

Amber Heard, and is apparently...
Her people are already saying

"Well, doesn't this say it all?"
We're ready for the jury.

He's gallivanting on
a rock concert over there.

They look pretty stoic. What
do you guys think in the chat?

I wonder who the jury's looking at.

All right, Mr Foreperson,
is this the verdict of the jury?

Yes, Your Honour. All right,
is it unanimous? Yes, Your Honour.

All right. Let's see it.

In civil case number CL20192911...

I got my mega pint ready.
Oh, my God.

..Mr Depp's claim
against Miss Heard... Here we go.

One, as to the statement... Here we
go. ..appearing in the online op-ed

entitled Amber Heard: I Spoke Up
Against Sexual Violence...
Statement one, the headline.

..And Faced Our Culture's Wrath,

do you find that Mr Depp has proven
all the elements of defamation?

Answer - yes.

Damn! Depp's wins count one. ..the
greater weight of the evidence...

Oh, shit! ..the statement was made
or published by Miss Heard.

Wow! The answer - yes.

Oh! Oh! The statement
was about Mr Depp, answer - yes.

Question - the statement was false.
Answer - yes. Yes! He's winning!

The statement has a defamatory
implication about Mr Depp.

Answer - yes.

It's gone Johnny's way.

Do you find that Mr Depp
has proven all the elements...
Very interesting this one.

..of defamation? Answer - yes.

Ho-ho-ho-ho! The defamatory
implication was designed

and intended by Miss Heard.
Answer - yes.

Question - do you find that Mr Depp

has proven all the elements
of defamation? Answer - yes.

..greater weight of the evidence.

Question - the defamatory
implication... Oh, my God.

..was designed and intended
by Miss Heard? Answer - yes.

All yeses. Holy shit.

..we the jury
award compensatory damages

in the amount of $10 million.

$10 million!

..we the jury award punitive damages
in the amount of $5 million.

Oh-ho-ho! Yes!

Oh, my God. Do you find that
Miss Heard has proven all

the elements of defamation?
Answer - yes.

Oh. Oh. She wins one count
in her counterclaim.

As against John C Depp II,

we the jury award compensatory
damages in the amount of $2
million.

Oh, my God. Ladies and gentlemen,

this concludes jury service in this
case. I want to thank you again

for your dedication and your
hard work during this trial...

Johnny! Johnny! Johnny!
Johnny! Johnny! Johnny! Johnny!

Johnny Depp and Amber Heard
defamation trial

announced its verdict,
ruling in favour of Johnny Depp.

We love you, Johnny. We love... Oi,
John... Johnny... Johnny, Johnny,

I love you bro, I love you bro.

A verdict of little victory
when the battle has been so brutal.

Amber Heard was not a good witness
and juries react to that.

I think the jury got it wrong.

I'm very disappointed
in the jury verdict.

I think this was another big win
for powerful men

and it's a colossal loss for women.

This was a humiliation ritual

intending to put women
in their place.

If you speak out about abuse,
there will be consequences.

It was verdict we all wanted, guys.

# Johnny Depp, Depp, Depp

# Johnny Depp, Depp...

# Johnny, Johnny, Depp, Depp, Depp

# Johnny Depp, Depp, Johnny Depp...

I've never had as many emails as
I've received about this very topic,

I've heard from men
who have been abused,

I've heard from women who are
survivors who don't believe

Amber Heard and say
she's hurting survivors,

so there's a lot
of feelings out there.

When it's somebody that we know,
somebody that we maybe like,

they don't want to have to think
this person is really capable

of doing what's alleged in court.

This powerful open letter states
that they don't stand with her.

They don't accept that she is
who she claimed to be.

"We will not stand with you.

"No victim of domestic violence
acts in the manner in which you do."

We supported you, we worked for you,

we rallied behind you,
and you betrayed us all.

Listening to you has been
torturously painful,

triggering and unbearable for many.

I'm feeling incredibly triggered
and retraumatised as someone

who's experienced relationship abuse
in the past,

but I'm not feeling triggered
on behalf of Johnny Depp.

What we're seeing happen,
stereotypes that are coming out,

right, that are calling Amber Heard
a liar, glorifying Johnny Depp

as this amazing man, right, erm,
is the reason why MeToo started,

it's the... It's why activists
really wanted to fight

for this movement
and why it's so important,

because women didn't feel...
And... And, you know,

survivors of all genders
didn't feel like they could report,

didn't feel like it was
going to be welcomed.

What does it mean for that?
Are we at the end of MeToo?

Is this a reversal? Where are we?
I mean, it's a backlash to MeToo,

and what we're seeing unfold on
the internet is that we're proving

them right, we're saying that,
"Yes, you will be silenced,

"you will be humiliated."
I am not taking any sides,

it sounds like Heard did allegedly
do some pretty malicious shit

during the course of their
relationship. But I am feeling
some kind of way about

the way that Heard is being
inhumanely attacked every day

on a global scale.

And here's what this means
for victims of abuse,

fewer victims will come forward,
especially if they haven't been

perfect during the course of their
relationship with the abuser.

So if you're not the perfect victim
because you did something wrong,

you fought back,
you were an imperfect person,

then the world will lob
every available insult at you

to get you to shut up.

First question, how is Amber doing?
One of the first things she said is,

"I am so sorry
to all those women out there,

"this is a setback for all women
in and outside the courtroom."

Let me ask you about social media.
It was incredibly lopsided

and vitriolic against Amber Heard.

Do you think that had
an effect on the case? Absolutely.

Do you think jurors were aware
of it? How can you not?

They went home every night,
they have families,

the families are on social media.

Do you believe the jurors saw any
of that, were swayed by any of that?

No, I don't think there's any reason
to believe that

the jurors violated their oath.

Had a ten day break in the middle
because of the judicial conference,

there's no way they couldn't
have been influenced by it,

and it was horrible.

It is everywhere
but, at the same time,

they were admonished
every single night,

and they had a tremendous amount
of respect, I think,

for the court and the process,

and they were doing the best
that they could.

I was against cameras
in the courtroom,

and I went on record with that
and had argued against it

because of the sensitive nature
of this, but it made it a zoo.

By allowing cameras into
the trial you opened up

the space for a TikTok meme, I mean,

you did have obviously, like,
competing social media hashtags,

right, in support for one
or the other

but there was a lot of research
showing that the hashtags

for Johnny Depp had been essentially
created and proliferated

and manipulated far and wide
across the internet.

People say it's bots.

The scale of, like,
the misinformation about this trial

is truly unprecedented.

OK, I'm watching this interview
with Amber Heard's lawyer,

she's very articulate, by the way,
which is completely in contrast

to the way that she was portrayed
on social media,

and so naturally go to check out
the comments

and they're all very disparaging.
They're racking up tonnes of likes,

16,000, 25,000, 33,000

but when you actually go to click in
to these profiles, they're all fake,

like, none of these people are real.
Zero content.

And then you start to realise,
like, these are probably bots

and when you actually click on
the profile of the person

who posted this video, it's a
super-pro Johnny Depp fan account

which is probably a bot, too.

We're being influenced
by bots interacting

with bots interacting with bots.

Do you know anything about
an online campaign,

on behalf of Johnny Depp? That was
absolutely absurd and baseless.

And you know for a fact that neither
he nor his agents or anyone

tried to, in some way, pay for
or otherwise encourage this kind of

social media activities?
Categorically false. Categorically.
Categorically false.

Oh, my God! Oh, my God! Yes!

Well, I got to thank you. No.

I've been through a similar thing
and I'm just so proud of you.

I'm so proud of you,
you didn't give up.

You helped make sure
people heard the truth.

Guys, I met Johnny Depp,

I'm not just saying
I shook his hand,

I spent time,
quality time, with Johnny Depp.

This is the case that, though there
is a verdict, just will not end.

Why? Because Amber Heard has not
stopped talking about this case.

She sat down for an exclusive
interview with Savannah Guthrie.

Even if you think that I'm lying,

you still couldn't look me in the
eye and tell me that you think

on social media there's been
a fair representation.

Yeah, because you lied,
and the public didn't buy...

Isn't falling for your nonsense
any more. And the jury
is not immune to that.

Do you think the jury saw it?
How could they not?

I think even the most
well-intentioned juror,

it would've been impossible
to avoid this.

Thank you, a lot of survivors
want to thank you

and thank you for everything, man.
Incredible.

There's an abundance
of people who also agree

and think that you're lying,
that we all are angry at you.

The Depp team argued that you were
the abuser. I never had to instigate

it, I responded to it.
When you're...

"I never had to instigate it."

She believes every word
she's saying. Nice spin there.

Then there are other times,
there's another tape where

you're taunting him and saying,
"Oh, tell the world, Johnny Depp,

"'I, a man, am a victim
of domestic violence.'"

20 second clips,
so there are transcripts of them...

Yeah. ..are not representative
of two hours or the three hours

those clips are excerpt from. What?

What do you mean, doesn't represent
it? What do you mean by that?

Yeah, it does cos it's in...
It's in the recording,

you can't sit there and say,

"Well, it doesn't represent
the whole..." It does.

Amber Heard wanted
to characterise Johnny Depp

as a character.
There were many memes from the trial

but now memes from the...
Now memes from the interview.

The Depp lawyer said...

Called your testimony
the performance of a lifetime,

and said you were acting,

what do you say to that?

Says the lawyer for the man...

You mean to tell me that that fool
was lying to us the whole time?

His hands were not
really made of scissors?

What we really want to
get into right now

is what the jury didn't see,

what wasn't allowed
during the course of this trial.

Over 6,000 documents
have been unsealed in this case.

This would've been very relevant
for the jury to hear.

If you wanted to get hold
of those documents, you had to go

to the Virginia Courthouse...

Andrea Burkhart, who is
a YouTube commentator

and is a criminal defence attorney,
she crowd sourced the funds

in order to buy these documents.

If you've been watching this case
for a while,

you know that Amber Heard has
a habit of hiding behind information

that can't be verified,

but it looks like that might
not be the case.

What spurred this was when
they were in court to sign

the judgment in sentence,
Judge Azcarate voiced her intention

to unseal materials
that had previously been sealed,

and she said that many
of the things were sealed

because we didn't want to have
any taint to the jury.

So if Amber Heard was hoping
to keep all of this stuff secret,

I think she's going to find herself
out of luck. Let's go back to the...

There was a plane incident where
Depp allegedly kicked Amber Heard

on a plane, I believe it was
in 2014.

Did you observe Mr Depp kick
or throw anything at each other

on the plane? No.
I don't recall that at all.

There were texts from
Johnny Depp's assistant,

Stephen Deuters,
to Amber Heard, quote...

Why were these text messages
not introduced?

I mean, this felt very pivotal
for Amber Heard's case.

The court ruled on those that
they're irrelevant to

the case at hand of defamation,
you know, there was so much evidence

in this case, and now we're seeing
even more evidence.

In the pre-trial hearings
they have to, you know,

rule what is admissible, what isn't,
and there are some of these things

that are really on the line of
whether they should or shouldn't

have been admissible.

We're going to dive into
all of these things today.

Strangely, the texts produced
by Miss Heard

are in a different format than
all other texts she produced.

The voracity of these text messages
is critical

and subject to serious question.

So what is the truth?

This question of the truth
of the matter I can't answer.

In fact, no-one can.

No-one knows what happened
between these two people.

Sounds like there is evidence
that they were both abusive

toward each other, but it's a lot
of "he said, she said"

and it's nearly impossible
to find resolution and truth.

The public is a second jury,
us making up our own decisions

and really swayed
on people's public opinion,

including the jurors,
of these two characters.

People who've been accused
of wrongdoing,

the goal is to get
a form of justice,

a sense of redemption
for themselves,

it's about clearing their name
and trying to establish

what the truth was of this
relationship or this incident

in a public court of law.

He's won already
in the court of opinion.

And he needed the court process
to clear his name.

The thing is, about justice,

is that it's not about the truth,

it's not about right or wrong,

it's about what the judge
or jury believes.

We now live in a time where
we don't necessarily believe

who's right, we believe who we like
the most. Because of who they are.

The outcome of this trial
will have ramifications,

if nothing else, how people
believe people in their stories.

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