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This programme contains very strong language,

allegations of sexual and domestic violence that some viewers may find upsetting

Welcome back. Johnny Depp's defamation trial

against his ex-wife, Amber Heard,

is playing out in real-time on television,

and on social media where millions are poring over

the shocking details and taking sides.

Amber, how are you feeling?

My video about this pod episode is at almost 500,000 views

and I just posted it yesterday.

It has many facets that we have to look at

including fame, the MeToo movement, cancel culture.

It is just a sort of a perfect storm, if you will.

Number one over Elon Musk,

more than four times Joe Biden,

more than five times greater,

the Ukraine war,

more than six times greater.

This story is the biggest story online in the nation.

News anchors lined up outside the courthouse,

numerous cameras inside the courtroom

livestreaming every minute.

Take on a little tour, a video of our mobile centre.

That's right. We actually have heating,

and air conditioning sometimes in here.

People are live tweeting, people are live streaming,

what does it all mean, where does it end?

It's been, you know, a social media circus of commentary

from creatives and influencers and lay people.

I think that the truth was lost on social media quite some time ago.

Well, there are new concerns about

the spread of misinformation on TikTok.

According to researchers.

American users spend three times as much time on TikTok

than on Twitter.

Explain for us more about the app's design

and why it is particularly problematic.

You have a platform that uses short videos. It has a powerful

and very mysterious recommendation algorithm.

You've got a billion users that are constantly filtering through

at very fast-moving speeds.

Videos can be very easily manipulated and republished.

I'm walking out of the bedroom.

He slapped me across the face. I said,

"Johnny, you hit me. You just hit me."

There are parody videos that often get mistaken as fact.

At this point we're sitting next to each other.

People are obsessed with this case,

and on TikTok people could really broadcast their theories.

I was just sitting there on this carpet.

Especially when the case is live in court,

and you have all this footage.

You could show them authentically what is going on.

What are people posting?

Talk about Australia.

I think this might decide the case,

because this is where the parties are alleging

the most significant dispute.

And they're in such contradiction that the jury can only think

one of them is true.

I think they're going to come to the conclusion

that one of them is lying about Australia.

Let's take a look about what they said happened.

I was working on Pirates of the Caribbean 5.

Mr Depp, was Miss Heard in Australia with you?

She came a little later, yes.

And what happened when Miss Heard came to visit you in Australia?

Um...

Thank you very much. Well, Johnny Depp is here.

I haven't seen it, but I knew it ahead of time,

and now I see it that you're wearing a, you have an engagement ring.

I do. I have a female engagement ring on.

Yeah. But you're getting married?

Well, yeah.

Yeah. But it's not typical for a man to wear an engagement ring, is it?

No. It was too big for my girl. So, uh...

So, the woman you're, who's been on the show, by the way.

Amber, yeah. Oh, lovely.

Amber, Amber! Big smile, Amber!

I proposed to Miss Heard a couple of years before, I believe.

So we talked occasionally about when we would be the right time

between schedules so that we could actually have

a wedding and a honeymoon.

And then go on to do the work in Australia.

I was marrying the love of my life.

It was complicated.

But he was the love of my life.

Ladies and gentlemen, Johnny Depp!

We all left for the island for the, well, the dream wedding, I guess.

We walked down to the beach aisle, said our vows,

and shot the bird, meaning the middle finger,

up at the paparazzi while we were on the altar.

And we danced and celebrated.

And then I left the island cos I had to go work.

Amber Heard is 20 years younger

and was building a career,

and name recognition within Hollywood,

but she was certainly nowhere near the star that Johnny Depp was.

Hi, we're here with Amber Heard and explain quickly your character.

I play a young girl who's caught up in the fast-paced,

decadent, 1980s lifestyle of Los Angeles.

And uh, and her,

she's a beautiful woman who ultimately,

ultimately that beauty causes her demise

and the demise of other characters around her,

and it was an interesting part.

I took the bus around LA. It was before smartphones,

I had a Thomas Guide and a change of tank tops.

And I just hustled from one audition to the other.

Amber, right here.

It's been a slow progression, I guess, since then.

You know, of doing either tiny bit parts in bigger movies

or doing larger roles in movies that no-one would see.

And I guess, you know, it still is kind of like that.

When you say you left the island, you had to go to work,

what were you working on?

I was filming the Danish Girl in London.

I was there doing kind of prep work for that film.

I was going off to Australia.

The plan was always for me to wrap on my movie

and then come and join him in Australia

where he was filming Pirates 5.

OK, and when approximately was that?

That was March 3rd.

Guys, I am shocked at the massive amounts of love

and support you guys have been showing this channel.

And specially our coverage of

the "Justice for Johnny Depp" movement.

Welcome back to another episode of Darthn3ws,

special edition, Everybody Loves Johnny.

Actually, scratch that, Everybody Hates Amber.

You have creators on platforms like YouTube.

All of a sudden, they're pumping out videos about this trial.

If you haven't already, will you do me a favour,

hit that subscribe button, hit the bell for alerts.

I think everybody is waiting to see the evidence, that's what I want.

For those of you that don't know, Super Chats is a way on YouTube

for people watching someone streaming to donate.

Loww, thanks so much for the 100 gifted subs, I appreciate that.

Thank you so much. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

It allows their comment to go to the top.

It kind of highlights that person and their donation.

Hey, there, if we haven't met yet,

I'm Emily D Baker, the badass lawyer

and everyone's favourite legal commentator.

I break down the legal shit behind the news

and pop culture stories we all wanna talk about.

We are here to call to order

the case of Johnny Depp v Amber Heard.

Today we are watching through live testimony

of what happened in Australia.

Now, I'm going to ask you to take this jury through

what happened once you arrived there.

Um, I flew in, I arrived early.

I, immediately, I walked into the bedroom,

I was so excited to see him.

I was looking forward to having this kind of,

you know, our style at home date. You know,

we're a new married couple we hadn't seen each other

for basically a month after getting married.

And I start dinner and am happy to see him,

and at some point, early in that evening, he pulls out a bag of MDMA.

I asked him what it was, and he told me it was MDMA.

And I was surprised,

because at the time he'd already gotten clean and sober,

that was for the wedding.

So, I was surprised that he would even pull out this bag.

And he kind of seemed to suggest that we should do it together.

And I was like, absolutely not.

Like, I just got here, I just got here. I wanna see you.

I wanna spend time with you.

Miss Heard was upset because,

as it was too late for a pre-nup agreement,

there was discussion of post-nup agreement.

She could not let go of the fact that I was

in on this post-nup agreement,

and that I was trying to trick her into,

essentially, getting nothing if something were to happen.

She's telling me, "You don't trust me.

"You don't trust me. You don't trust me."

And all I could do was try to calm her down.

Did that work?

It did not work, no.

It escalated and escalated and turned into madness,

chaos, violence.

Can you please describe that chaos and violence?

Why were you at the house that Sunday?

I was called to the house by one of Mr Depp's assistants.

And did you observe anything when you went into the house?

Yeah, I mean initially I heard pretty hysterical sobbing,

crying, which sounded like Miss Heard to me.

Just crying uncontrollably, I think it's fair to say.

There was a bit of damage down the steps.

A big chunk had been taken out of the marble staircase.

Walking down into the bar, I could see the damage,

a broken ping pong table,

sort of collapsed onto the floor.

Lots of glass and cans strewn around the bar area.

Who was there when you arrived?

Debbie Lloyd was there.

At 11.30 you wrote, "MD received a text message from client

"that he'd been arguing with wife, and that he had cut his finger.

"According to patient, his assistant and security were on their way

"to pick him up." You wrote that?

According to my notes, yes.

David Kipper was there.

I went in to instruct one of the people with him

to look for the tip of the finger,

hoping that we would be able to put it back.

It was pretty extensive, all that broken glass, the blood.

There were a lot of blood drips across that floor.

It was a kind of cream coloured tiled floor.

On the next floor, on the main floor,

there was a sitting room with a couch,

a cream-coloured couch, which had a fair amount of blood,

drips on the cushions,

and we'd set up an art studio so a lot of the art materials

from that, you know, paint brushes, paint, a lot of paint on the floor.

Going into the master bathroom,

there was a his and hers sinks and mirror,

a large mirror above each of the sinks,

that had writing on each of them.

Both of the bedrooms I think, had blood on the duvet covers.

That's about the extent of it.

Oh, is that all?

Whose job was it to clean all that up?

That was mine. That was mine.

Well, I'll just cut to the chase.

I think that I ended up locking myself

in about at least nine bedrooms,

bathrooms,

that day as she was banging on the doors

and screaming obscenities

and wanting to have a physical altercation.

So, how did it come to be that your finger became injured?

I left the place, the room that I was hiding in,

or not hiding, locked myself into,

and I went downstairs and there was a bar.

So, I grabbed a bottle of vodka that was there,

and a shot glass,

and sat at the bar. She was nowhere around.

Poured myself two or three stiff shots of the vodka,

first taste of alcohol I'd had in a long time.

And then she came down to the bar

and found me there.

And, of course, started screaming,

"Oh, you're drinking again, the monster," and all that.

You can see how he feels about that.

He holds up this bottle

and kind of gesturing with the bottle towards me

and I reach for it, he'd revoke it, kind of laugh at me.

And he's holding out the bottle.

And I think maybe the third time or so I get a hold of it.

I pick it up and I slam it down on the ground right in between us.

And I smash the bottle on the floor.

And that really set him off.

She grabbed the bottle of vodka.

And then just kind of stood back and hurled it at me.

Takes the second bottle which was the larger one.

She threw the large bottle,

and it made contact and shattered everywhere.

And then I realised that the tip of my finger had been severed.

What is this a picture of, Mr Depp?

The remains of my finger.

I honestly don't remember if I threw anything in his direction.

I don't think I did.

I just remember him having me by the nightgown.

I remember him flailing me,

throwing me around, I'm flailing.

I remember at one point he's teasing me, taunting me,

that he has my breast in his hand.

My nightgown came completely off,

it was ripped off of me,

so I'm naked and slipping around on his tile.

And, at some point, he's on top of me,

I'm on the countertop. He had me by the neck.

And I'm looking in his eyes and I don't see him any more.

I don't see him any more. It wasn't him.

It was black.

I have never been so scared in my life.

It was black, I couldn't see him.

And my head was bashing against the back of the bar...

This is a lot.

..and I couldn't breathe. And I remember trying to get up

and I was slipping on the glass. My feet were slipping,

my arms were slipping on the countertop.

I remember trying to get up, so I could breathe,

so I could tell him that he was really hurting me.

I didn't think he knew what he was doing.

I don't know how...

I'm sorry.

I couldn't breathe.

I don't...

I don't wanna do this.

Amber Heard has said on the stand she doesn't have

a clear recollection of how things unfolded.

But she has alleged that he sexually assaulted her with a bottle.

There were a couple of points in the trial

that should have never come out so publicly.

It is so hard to assess the credibility of either Johnny Depp

or Amber Heard for one simple reason. They're both actors.

They are both good at getting people to feel

the way that they want them to feel.

Welcome to Popcorned Planet. I'm Andy Signore,

and I'm not gonna lie, today was rough.

I'm feeling bad for all the survivors out there

that just watched this performance cos I'm not buying it,

and I've gotten so many messages from so many of you

who have been through similar experiences

and you're not buying it either.

Like, he was on top of me,

and I'm looking in his eyes and I don't see him any more,

I don't see him any more.

Ligature marks and finger marks bruising is very, very common.

And I'm sorry that that was your experience,

but thank you for sharing your experience with the chat,

so they're like, look,

these are the things we find confusing.

Amber Heard is a psychopath is currently trending on Twitter so...

If you are mentally and physically abused

like a person of domestic violence, male or female,

would you be able to go to court,

get on the stand, and be a lairy, smarmy, bitch?

Has anyone seen Gone Girl?

Wait for your clueless husband to start his day.

Meticulously stage your crime scene.

Sexual penetration with an object is really severe.

And, unlike the rest of what she says about Johnny Depp,

almost requires some sort of sadistic nature.

So, I think Australia, his story's more believable.

This has moved away from like a news story,

or a lawsuit, and it's transformed into a cultural moment.

And I wasn't old enough to experience the impact

of the OJ Simpson trial, but if I had to guess, the hold,

the chokehold that this lawsuit has on the world, it's comparable.

And also, the way that information and views are spread

are very different today, than it was before...

OJ TikTok would have been... Wild.

Oh, my gosh. Truly wild. Truly wild.

Social media's clearly playing a role in this case.

I cannot tell you how much time I spend dealing with folks

on social media. And I'll you what,

the Johnny Depp folks are fanatics.

And while working for TMZ,

were you involved in any assignments related to Miss Heard?

I was.

On the 12th, we received a video depicting Johnny Depp

slamming some cabinets that was captured by Miss Heard.

How does that video that was played in this trial compare to the one

you received on August 12th, 2016?

It was much shorter than the video we had received,

than the video that's been played in this trial.

There was some, a bit at the beginning that was played here

in which Miss Heard is seemingly sort of sitting with the camera

and getting into position.

And then there's a bit at the end where she's seemingly sniggering

and looks at the camera.

That part was not present in what we received.

Did TMZ edit the video?

No, not even a little.

Nothing further, your honour. Cross-examination.

I can ask that question. Overruled.

And I'm not seeking any 15 minutes here.

Though you may, you're welcome to speculate.

I could say the same thing about taking Amber Heard

as a client for you.

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The issue when you go in court, and when you testify,

and when there's evidence brought it's really,

it's quite literally airing your dirty laundry.

That's why celebrities always settle cases.

They never want to go into court for that very reason.

Could they not have figured this out privately?

Um, I think, and we've talked about this before on the show,

I think that making it accessible to the public was a strategy

I think probably brought to the table by Johnny's team.

This podcast is for entertainment purposes only.

With this Depp-Heard trial, the engagement is phenomenal.

I mean, it's just so cool to see everyone get involved

and want to know about the legal process

and the laws that are involved.

But that's, the thing is about justice is that it's not about

the truth, it's not about right or wrong,

unfortunately, it's about what the judge or jury believes.

And that's on the information that's presented.

And that's why trials are theatre.

It's supposed to be the search for the truth

but it's really about us orchestrating what witnesses

we're gonna bring in,

the order of proof that we're gonna present this story,

and how we're gonna do it, what we're gonna keep in,

what we're gonna keep out.

This is Law Disrupted,

and today we have the privilege of speaking with Camille Vasquez.

Johnny's testimony was a key point for us.

It was the first time that the world,

really the jury, right, in this case,

the jury got to hear from him in his own words.

We needed to give him the opportunity to speak

and speak freely.

We introduced the jury to Johnny Depp

and who the real Johnny Depp was.

So, we introduced the jury to his sister, who was able

to give a background about who the little boy was

before he became Johnny Depp,

and who the man is now.

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. All right, your first witness.

Miss Dembrowski,

will you please tell the jurors what your relationship

with Johnny was like when you were growing up?

Johnny and I were very close.

We were just friends,

we were like best friends.

Miss Dembrowski, how would you describe your parents' relationship?

That was complicated.

Um, I had a very interesting childhood.

One that I was thought was normal until a certain age.

Could you please tell them about your history of substance use?

At about the age of, I don't know, four, five years old,

I can remember vividly my mom telling me

to go get her nerve pills, you know,

out of her purse that was hanging on the back of the door.

So, I'd go get the nerve pills and I'd take it and,

you know, after a few years you start to notice,

well, you start to think about nerve pills.

Nerve pills.

And then she seemed

to calm down after she took those nerve pills.

So, when I was 11 years old,

I wanted to calm down.

I'd bring my mom her nerve pill,

walk away and I would take one myself...

..to escape the chaotic nature

of what we were living through.

My mother was quite unpredictable,

and she was quite violent.

And the physical pain you learn to deal with,

you learn to accept it,

but the psychological and emotional abuse,

that's what, that's what kind of tore us up, I think.

Mr Depp, is there any substance that you've ever been addicted to?

Yes.

And what is that?

Oxycodone.

So far, everybody's just been making these speculations based off

whatever they're reading. We haven't heard it out of

the horse's mouth until now.

And now that we have, or started to hear about these things,

it only makes him seem like a more honest human being.

A more likeable person.

The pills that I was addicted to,

the oxycodone, which are very, very powerful opiates,

two of those would knock me out.

You go on what's called the nod

and then it takes you away into sleep. It's just very deep sleep.

We see Johnny Depp very open about his drug use

that I think the other side was going to try and use against him.

But he knew he was going to admit to it,

his friends admitted to it. And they kind of, you know,

took the sting out it from the other side.

Nothing really happened with it any more, right?

Once you admit it, they can't really do anything with it.

There's no movement.

This is picture of you on a black leather couch passed out, correct?

Passed out's an interesting way of putting it. Maybe asleep?

That's ice cream on your lap, correct?

It is indeed. Miss Heard asked me to hold the ice cream

as she noticed that I was on the nod,

that means falling asleep,

from the 17-hour day that I'd work,

and also the opiates that I'd ingested.

That was a wonderful picture to take for her.

I don't know why she took it.

So, it's Miss Heard's fault that that picture was taken?

Is that what you're saying?

She snapped it.

Interesting to see how the jury interpret this information.

Will they interpret it as Miss Heard wants,

of evidence of Johnny having a dark side?

Will they interpret it as evidence, as Johnny says,

of a girlfriend setting up her partner to look like a bad guy?

Follow me for more legal TikTok.

You took this photograph, right, Miss Heard?

That's correct.

So, you decided to take a picture of Mr Depp asleep on the floor?

He was passed out.

You took this picture as well.

Yes.

And this is a picture of Mr Depp taking a nap on his tropical island

on vacation? We were on vacation, yes.

And you also took this picture, right, Miss Heard?

That's correct. And this is another picture of Mr Depp

asleep in a chair?

No, he was nodding off. Asleep is different.

When you're nodding off,, you're high on drugs,

didn't even feel the cigarette in his hand that had,

you know, been burning on his leg.

It was cause for alarm for me,

naturally, because I cared about him.

You seem to really like taking pictures of Mr Depp

while he's sleeping, don't you?

I hated it.

You decided to take a picture of Mr Depp asleep

with ice cream spilled all over him.

This isn't a very flattering picture of Mr Depp, is it?

No, it's not.

You did, in fact, send this picture to your friend Rocky Pennington?

Yes, I did. And this is you protecting Mr Depp?

That is me getting support from my best friend.

This is you supporting Mr Depp?

This is me getting support from my best friend. I also need support.

My God... I'm so disappointed,

I'm so disappointed in you, Andy. So upsetting.

I'm so sorry, guys, the truth is there, I'm a monster.

I must be a monster because I passed out on my bed last night

and Johnny took a photo and now it's over.

Can you guys freaking believe this was put into evidence?

He's taking a fricking nap on vacation!

Like, what the frick is this photo?

There is a money aspect to this too.

Social media now, influencers, you study this for a living,

I don't have to tell you.

They make money sometimes for posting content.

How is that playing into this particular moment?

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the hell out of that subscribe button.

You have creators on platforms like YouTube

who previously were getting hundreds of views on videos

about anything ranging from video games to music to art.

All of a sudden, they're pumping out videos about this trial.

I'm subscribed to some of you and it's cool to be on a stream.

Videos that make Johnny Depp look good

and make Amber Heard look bad, because those are the only ones

that people want to see. And they're being able to make money

for the first time ever.

They're getting viral videos off of this case.

Getting millions of views.

You all have gotten wild, and I appreciate you.

This is the road that we're on. Thank you so much.

It's kind of fun to just watch the number spiral

and I appreciate it. This is a wild growth chart.

You keep saying it's glorifying Johnny Depp

but that is the dominant stream, right? It's not the other way.

Up until recently, you really couldn't find any TikToks in support

of Amber Heard. The entire platform was pro Johnny Depp.

And I've heard from those creators themselves that if someone comments

and says that they have a neutral position,

or they think that maybe Amber is a victim,

they immediately get dogpiled, harassed,

abused themselves in these comment sections,

and no-one wants to speak up in support of Amber Heard.

And as this high-profile trial plays out in court,

social media users are sort of rallying around Johnny Depp,

as Steve alluded to there.

They're looking for holes in the defence's case

and they think that they've found one.

This is what Amber carried in her purse for the entire relationship

with Johnny Depp.

This was what she used.

She became very adept about how she had to mix

the different colours for the different days of the bruises

to be able to cover those.

So Milani Cosmetics is the company that is sort of jumping

into the fray in this case.

They said that their colour correcting compact,

the compact that came out in 2017,

it was the same compact that defence attorneys used to say

that Amber Heard used this specific kit

to cover up bruises she allegedly received from Johnny Depp.

Now, Milani jumped into the fray by posting a TikTok saying

actually this kit came out in 2017,

Amber Heard filed for divorce from Johnny Depp in 2016.

There's no way that she used this specific kit

in order to cover alleged bruises.

This was just an example of something that she used,

this is not the actual compact that she used,

but many people took the TikTok that Milani Cosmetics posted and said,

"Hey, this is definitive proof that Amber Heard's attorneys are lying."

Amber Heard just got exposed in another big lie

in her court case with Johnny Depp.

She said that Amber carried that in her purse to cover

the bruises through her entire relationship.

Well, that palette didn't come out until after the divorce.

Meaning this make-up palette did not exist when they were together.

Boom. And the truth will set you free.

The TikTok has been viewed more than five million times...

All right. So, I'm here at the Fairfax. County Courthouse...

It has caused real world consequences.

We saw one user actually go to the courthouse...

All right, going to the judge's chambers.

..and seek out Johnny's Depp's lawyers and attorneys

and say, "Hey, I have evidence for you that you need to see."

Some people are actually criticising the cosmetics company

for jumping into the fray saying, "Hey, you did this for clout."

Like, there was no reason for you to jump in here.

I think a lot of people, are as this room,

which is I just took Amber Heard's accusations at face value.

I wanted to believe her.

Like, this make-up kit would suggest that maybe she's not

completely truthful.

People obviously have their opinions. This is a celebrity case.

Johnny Depp is clearly winning right now in the court of public opinion.

Amber Heard or Johnny Depp?

Come on, you got to answer.

Do you believe Johnny, or do you believe Amber?

It's ultimately what this case comes down to,

cos they can't both be right. One is lying.

Who do you believe? Well, that depends probably a lot

on your biases,

and, if you're inclined to believe Johnny,

you just identify with him,

then everything he says is gonna be believed.

Drug stuff, sure, that doesn't matter.

See, we minimise, we excuse, because that's our favourite party.

And then for Amber,

it's like everything out there negative about her we seize on,

of course, because that validates our belief.

We are watching the final stretch of Amber Heard and Johnny Depp

in their duelling defamation trial playing out in Virginia.

Amber Heard, she is on the stand really pushing back

on the cross-examination.

You're seeing a little bit of a difference in the way Amber Heard

is answering Camille Vasquez.

And Camille Vasquez is being extremely aggressive with her.

Let's go back in in the moment where we left off.

You spoke about donating your divorce settlement

on a Danish TV show, correct?

I believe I said I had...

I believe I said I had donated it to charity.

You appeared on a show called RTL Late Night, right?

I don't recall what show it was.

Would you please play plaintiff's exhibit 346

which is a portion of your appearance on this programme?

You got a divorce settlement of $7 million.

People were saying this was all about the money

but then you did something that twisted that whole argument.

What did you do with that money?

$7 million in total was donated to...

I split it between the ACLU

and Children's Hospital of Los Angeles.

The ACLU is a human rights organisation.

Sorry, ACLU is a prominent organisation,

nonprofit organisation in the United States.

It's called the American Civil Liberties Union,

and they work on behalf of marginalised communities

on the ground and legislative reform.

Well, more power to you because that's something that

I've never heard of. I wanted nothing.

So, in this October 2018 interview, you said that you had "donated"

your entire divorce settlement to charity, right?

That's correct. And, in fact,

your exact words were "seven million in total.

"I split it between the ACLU

"and the Children's Hospital of Los Angeles."

That's correct. I made that statement

as soon as I got a divorce, and we reached the settlement.

That's when I pledged it, right then.

But you hadn't donated your entire $7 million settlement

to charity at that point, had you?

That's incorrect.

Sitting here today, Miss Heard, you still haven't donated

the $7 million divorce settlement to charity, isn't that right?

Incorrect. I pledged the entirety of the settlement to charity....

That's not my question.

..and I intend to fulfil those obligations.

Miss Heard, that's not my question. Please.

What was your question? Try to answer my question.

Sitting here today...

It's so awkward.

..you have not donated the $7 million -

donated, not pledged -

donated the $7 million divorce settlement to charity.

I use pledge and donation synonymous with one another,

they mean the same thing.

Well, I don't. Miss Heard. I don't use it synonymously.

That's how donations are paid.

Miss Heard, respectfully, that's not my question.

So, as of today, you have not donated $7 million

of your divorce settlement to charity, right?

I have not been able to fulfil those obligations yet.

Amber is literally trying to convince the jury.

She keeps looking at the jury.

She is trying to sell this story that she donated

the whole seven million that she got from her divorce

because she pledged it.

Amber is very articulate. She's very smart.

But, yeah, she does look at the jury which is a little bit weird

when she's addressing her comments.

She may be looking at that jury more than any other witness has

in the past during this trial,

because she wants to keep their attention.

And that's because you did want something, didn't you?

I didn't want anything and I didn't get anything.

You wanted Mr Depp's money.

Didn't get it. Wasn't interested in it.

I loved Johnny, that's why I was with him.

You wanted good press.

In general, one does want good press, yes.

You wanted to seem altruistic publicly.

It wasn't my interest.

My interest is in my name and clearing my name,

and at the time I was being called a liar

and my motives were being questioned.

I did see it as important to clear that up.

I wanted to make a statement

to make sure that there was not any doubt,

that I couldn't be labelled these things just because Johnny

was a bigger star and had more publicity reach.

You wanted to remind everyone of your claims

of domestic violence against Mr Depp, right?

No, I wanted to move on with my life.

You wanted to make those claims seem believable.

They are believable. They were believable.

You wanted them to be seen, you wanted to be seen, excuse me,

as a noble victim of domestic violence.

I have never, never wanted to be seen as a victim.

Nor have I ever called myself one.

You testified under oath that "the entirety of your divorce settlement

"was donated to charity." Didn't you?

That's correct. I pledged the entirety.

What's the big deal with Amber Heard and these donations?

Scamber Turd exposed herself yet again

and it might have just cost her the entire trial.

And Pinocchio might have to sue her for identity theft

because these lies are getting out of hand.

You pay donations through pledging them?

No, you pay, you give donations by giving them money,

not by saying you're going to give them money.

She doesn't know the different between donate and pledge.

Right. I think I'm gonna Amber Heard it, you know?

Pledge $10, 12 million to a great organisation,

you know, and since pledge and donate is synonymous,

we're all good.

He's won already in the court of opinion.

Whatever this jury comes out to, he's won,

and he needed the court process to extract evidence

and statements from Amber.

And that leads us to real question,

which is what is the actual truth?

Where does that come from?

That's the jury's job.

I wanna know how they picked the jury for this.

I was thinking about that too. I was like this has gotta be,

I mean like I'm assuming the jury's like sequestered away,

like this is like a big... Sequestered away from where?

Phillip, let me start with you. How important do you think social media

is and what's going on out there in the social media universe

to this case? All that really matters is that you have

a jury of seven who does not go on social media

and is going to assess what went down based purely on

what is presented in court and not what is, you know,

on TikTok or on Instagram posts, or Facebook, etc.

They've been able to interact with friends, family,

so while they're not supposed to engage in social media

and know what's going on in the public sphere,

it's kind of tough to say that no-one on that jury has been exposed

to it whatsoever. So, I do think that's a concern.

And the impact of the crowd cannot be overlooked

in that courtroom every day.

Do you think that the jury gets it right in most cases?

Do you think that they understand their responsibility?

Of course, the judge tells them what they're supposed to do...

So, you're not to read anything about this case.

You're not to watch anything about this case.

You're not to listen to anything about this case.

This applies to television, newspapers, magazines, the internet,

and any online sites. Further, you're not to read, watch,

or listen to anything about this case on social networking sites

such as Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, etc,

and similar sites.

The jury should have been sequestered.

You would hope that they would not look up anything.

Very, very hard to be a juror,

I do not envy these jurors at all.

Six weeks being in that courtroom. Again, it is not fun.

Not one of them had a fucking clue that they were walking

into Johnny Depp's fucking trial.

I think this is fantastic that it's being broadcasted,

and I think that everything that's coming together,

this is gonna get bigger and crazier.

Mr Depp calls Kate Moss to the stand.

It would be a detrimental thing to Amber's Case.

And there is a real risk that not only could he lose this case

as the plaintiff, but Heard has a $100 million counter claim.

This thing could get real bad, even worse, real fast for Mr Depp.