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In the criminal
justice system,
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detectives and prosecutors
face daunting challenges
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when money
is the motive for murder.
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[dramatic sting]
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Downtown Reno is
gripped in panic
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after a judge is shot.
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My initial reaction was that
this was a random shooting.
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We walked to the driveway.
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A series
of blood droplets appeared
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outside the garage door.
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After a second attack,
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investigators reveal
a terrifying plot.
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I believe
money was the main issue.
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One item that stood out
appeared to be a to-do list.
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I had great concern about
who was next on the list.
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Officials rush to cage
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an unsuspecting killer
on the loose.
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There were three families
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who were living this nightmare
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while all this tactical stuff
was going on.
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These men and women dedicate
their lives to law and order.
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Most murderers,
quite simply, believe
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that their life is
more important
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than the life of the victim.
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These are
their true stories.
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{\an8}Doctors treated
Judge Chuck Weller
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{\an8}for gunshot wounds
to the chest.
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{\an8}There are multiple
bullet fragments seen,
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{\an8}with significant bleeding.
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{\an8}Judge Weller was standing
in his chambers
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{\an8}when he was shot.
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{\an8}There was
absolute pandemonium.
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{\an8}Nobody knew where that shot
originated from,
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{\an8}and nobody knew how many
more shots would come.
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{\an8}People were fleeing
from the streets.
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{\an8}They were hiding.
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{\an8}People driving
down the street were
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{\an8}removed from vehicles
and shoved into businesses.
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{\an8}It was a horribly
frightening experience,
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and people were panicked.
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My initial reaction was that
this was a random shooting,
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that this was a sniper
who had taken a perch
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and was firing
indiscriminately upon people,
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and he happened to have
targeted the judge.
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The bullet had entered
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through Judge Weller's
chamber's windows.
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Part of the fragments
had struck books
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in a bookshelf behind him.
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So we were able to isolate
the trajectory of the shot.
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[gunshot]
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Right at 12:00,
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there was
a multilevel parking garage
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that looks almost directly
into the judge's chambers.
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{\an8}The Reno Police Department
isolated and cordoned off
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{\an8}about a 3 by 5 block area.
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{\an8}I donned a SWAT vest
and a SWAT helmet.
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I grabbed a rifle.
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And I began to respond
to the area
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where the shot had originated.
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[siren wailing]
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As a team, we began
systematically clearing
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the parking garage
floor by floor.
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[dramatic music]
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While police searched
for the missing gunman,
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investigators tried to uncover
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why a sitting judge would be
a target for murder
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and who was responsible.
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I, during the course
of my career,
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had occasion to meet
Judge Weller several times.
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I assumed him to be a judicial
officer of good standing
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and certainly warranted
the respect of the community.
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A number of us were
concerned for Judge Weller.
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This person was targeting
the family court system.
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I had great concern about
who was next on the list.
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As word of an active
shooter spread through Reno,
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residents quickly tried
to account
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for their loved ones.
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{\an8}On June 12, 2006,
Charla Mack, my best friend,
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{\an8}she was supposed to drop
her daughter, Erika, off
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at her husband Darren's house
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and then come over
to my house.
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And then she wasn't
at my house.
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I knew something was wrong.
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Charla and I were
stay-at-home moms together.
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She was mischievous.
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She loved a good little prank.
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She was a hard worker.
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She was stubborn.
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She had a shirt that said,
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"You laugh at me
because I'm different.
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I laugh at you
because you're all the same."
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And that was really
kind of true to her nature.
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She didn't apologize
for who she was.
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And what you saw
was what you got.
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I was sitting in my house
on the couch,
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and I got a phone call
from a friend.
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And she said, "There's this
stuff all on the news.
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"There's a judge that has been
shot downtown.
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"Something's going on.
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This is all so crazy."
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When I heard the news
about the judge being shot,
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Charla was supposed to be
at my house, and she wasn't.
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I said, "Well, has anyone
contacted Charla?"
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And my friend said,
"I've been calling,
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but she's not picking up."
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I was very concerned about
what might happen next.
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News traveled very quickly
that a judge had been shot.
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Police department was
flooded with information.
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But one of the things
that came to the forefront
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of our attention was the call
from an individual
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by the name of Dan Osborne,
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who had called 911.
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That morning, Dan Osborne was
at his friend
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Darren Mack's residence
in Fleur de Lis.
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{\an8}[soft dramatic music]
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{\an8}♪ ♪
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Mr. Osborne was
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a high school friend
of Darren Mack's.
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Mr. Osborne was in the process
of establishing an apartment
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for himself in Reno
but during the interim time
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had been living
with Darren Mack.
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Darren Mack was
very well known
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in the community of Reno.
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His family had
long been established
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as business owners.
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They were very good
to the community.
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They were a philanthropists.
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He owned 51% of the Palace
Jewelry and Loan.
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{\an8}You owe it to yourself
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{\an8}to shop Palace Jewelry
and Loan.
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[elegant music]
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It was one
of the largest pawn shops,
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jewelry stores
in downtown Reno.
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So that business generated
quite a bit of income
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for the Mack family.
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Darren Mack became
obsessed with bodybuilding.
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When he began bodybuilding,
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he took that to the extreme
to the point
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where he wanted to compete
at the Mr. Nevada competition
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and ultimately succeeded
in that competition.
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Mr. Osborne said Mr. Mack's
estranged wife, Charla Mack,
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had shown up
to drop off their child,
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their daughter named Erika,
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that Dan Osborne went upstairs
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to watch television
with the child.
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Mr. Osborne described
hearing his dog,
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in a very agitated state, barking.
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[dog barking]
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And then Darren Mack walked
through the living area
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of the house very quickly
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with a towel
draped over his hand.
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And moments later,
his dog ran into the home
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covered in blood.
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He examined the animal
for injuries.
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There were none.
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He was concerned
for Charla's welfare
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and his own welfare
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and the welfare
of the child as well.
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So he collected Erika,
and they left immediately.
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[tense music]
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As he thought about
the circumstances
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that he had observed
at Darren's house
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{\an8}and that a judge had been shot
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across town,
he quickly became concerned.
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Investigators questioned
if a violent act
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at the Mack residence
could have escalated
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to the shooting downtown.
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They were unnerved
by the next chilling detail.
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Mr. Mack had been
actively practicing
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or training
at distance rifle shooting.
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♪ ♪
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I got on the radio with
my partner, Detective Chalmers,
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who was involved
in the activities downtown,
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and he shared my concern.
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Detective Jenkins and I would
frequently investigate crimes
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together, and he taught me
a great amount
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about investigating homicides.
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Detective Jenkins
called me and asked me
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to meet him
at Darren Mack's residence
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at the Fleur de Lis townhomes.
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As soon as we pulled up
in front of the townhome,
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we knocked at the door
and got no answer.
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When we walked to the front
of the residence
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in front of the driveway,
our attention was drawn
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to what appeared to be
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substantial vertical
blood droplets
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just outside
the closed garage door
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of Mr. Mack's residence.
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Mr. Osborne, he told me
that he knew the code
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for the garage door opener.
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He entered the code.
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The garage door started
to slowly open.
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And almost instantaneously,
we were able to see
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the motionless body
of Charla Mack
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lying in a large
congealed pool of blood.
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Detective Jenkins was
able to reach the body
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and check for signs of life,
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which, unfortunately,
there were none.
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{\an8}One item appeared to be
a to-do list.
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{\an8}He was afraid of what
she was going to do to him.
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{\an8}There was
an exhaustive manhunt.
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{\an8}It became about money
and winning,
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{\an8}and this was a war.
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[tense music]
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There's this stuff
all on the news.
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{\an8}There's a body at Fleur de Lis.
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{\an8}The body's a woman.
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{\an8}I got back in my car to go
to Darren's house and--
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{\an8}and find out what was going on
when I got a phone call.
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I had a friend
on the SWAT team.
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And he said, "It's Charla."
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♪ ♪
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I remember standing
in my doorway
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just feeling like my knees
were going to give out.
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[somber music]
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I just wish so badly
that I would have
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been with her that morning,
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that I could have died for her.
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♪ ♪
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I don't know--
I don't understand
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why I got to live
and she died, you know?
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A parent shouldn't
outlive their child ever.
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We located seven
distinct stab wounds
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to her body,
the most severe being
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on the left side of her neck
that severed her trachea.
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As chatter continued
on the police scanner
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in the search for the shooter
of Judge Weller,
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detectives pushed
into this new crime scene,
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questioning how the two
attacks could be related.
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In Darren Mack's closet
was the empty sheath
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for a concealable
double-edged knife.
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We believed
that that instrument
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was likely the murder weapon.
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We located a rental agreement
for a 2006 Ford Explorer.
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And we found
...243-caliber ammunition
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strewn about the home.
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One item that stood out
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were what appeared to be
some handwritten notes
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often referred to
as a to-do list.
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There's some specific
references to vehicles.
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It says, "Put her vehicle
in the garage"
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and then "parking garage."
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[tense music]
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And then, finally,
"End problem."
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♪ ♪
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From an evidentiary standpoint,
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it seemed that there was,
in fact,
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a nexus
between Charla's murder
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and the shooting
of Judge Weller.
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Investigators needed to know
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how the shootings
were connected
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and rushed to speak
to Judge Weller
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as he struggled
in critical condition.
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My name is Charles Weller.
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I was in my chambers
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{\an8}when the window
in my office shattered.
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[gunshot]
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I was shot here.
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And I lay in a hallway bleeding
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as deputies administered
first aid.
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It was terrible.
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We were aided tremendously
by the fact
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that, although
seriously injured,
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Judge Weller was able
to provide information
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almost immediately
to law enforcement
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whether or not he knew
Darren Mack.
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At that time,
more damning evidence
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of Mr. Mack's involvement
came to light.
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I was the judge to whom
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the Mack divorce case
was assigned.
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This is the case of Charla Mack
versus Darren Mack.
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The information
from Judge Weller
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was that this was
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a very acrimonious
divorce proceeding.
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It became about
money and winning.
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That's not people that are
trying to resolve something.
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Those are people
that are battling.
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And this was a war.
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[somber music]
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I had never seen him so happy,
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and Charla equally seemed to be
in love with Darren.
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They would always go
on big trips and vacations,
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just a lot of privileges
of wealth.
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But things start unraveling,
none of that really matters.
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It really upset her
that he'd want to stay out
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till, like, 4:00
in the morning,
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wanting to go out
to strip clubs.
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And so it was just
drama, drama, drama.
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After ten years of marriage,
Charla Mack filed for divorce,
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and the couple separated
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as Darren moved
into his own townhome.
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During the divorce,
it was ugly.
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My client is broke.
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She's been--finances have been
used against her
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for over a year now.
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She's had to borrow 36,000
just to survive.
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He lies over and over
and over again on this thing.
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He gets so angry
and so revved up
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that I just don't feel
comfortable right now.
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[tense music]
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I regret being forced
to make a decision here.
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I can only pick one side
or the other,
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and one of you has to lose.
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And so here goes.
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Judge Weller ordered
Mr. Mack to pay,
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in total, almost $1 million.
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That included a lump sum
of over $400,000
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that Charla was to purchase
a home and a car with,
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and then there was alimony
support on top of that
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in excess of $10,000 a month.
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He was used to being
successful and powerful
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and in control.
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And in this situation,
he was none of those things.
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I was informed
by someone I knew
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in a fathers' rights
organization
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{\an8}that Darren Mack was posting
terrible allegations about me
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{\an8}and about family court.
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{\an8}Judge Weller started
wielding his iron mallet
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{\an8}and started threatening me
with jail.
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{\an8}There's many, many, many
like myself
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{\an8}that have been fallen prey
to his tyranny
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{\an8}and his abuse.
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It made me feel threatened.
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When I became
a family court judge,
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I wanted parties to feel
as comfortable as possible.
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And so with my first meeting
with litigants,
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I held that meeting in chambers
rather than the courtroom.
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As a result, Mr. Mack knew
where my chambers were.
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Darren had called
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days before he was supposed
to write her a big check.
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He asked to talk to her
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when she was
dropping off Erika.
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She didn't understand
because they'd already been
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to court with Judge Weller.
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Everything was settled.
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Darren begged her.
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He said, you know,
"You've got to come.
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"It's really important.
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I've got to talk to you."
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They presented to me
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that their interactions
were dangerous.
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And so I ordered
that when they made
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their weekly exchanges,
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the person
dropping off the child
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would stay in the car
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while the child walked
from car to home.
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I issued that order so that
the parties would be safe.
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She said, "I don't know
what he really wants,
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"and I am scared
to death to do it.
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I just have a bad feeling."
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But she did it.
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I really believe
that money was the main issue.
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Mr. Mack really did not want
to lose his money.
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He really did not want
to give it to Charla.
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{\an8}Judge Weller was
that vehicle for Charla Mack
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{\an8}to receive the money
from Darren Mack,
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{\an8}and he held that Judge Weller
personally and as the system
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was responsible
for that loss of finance.
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Included in the ammunition
that we located
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in Mr. Mack's residence
matched the caliber
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of the projectile
that struck Judge Weller.
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{\an8}So about 2:00 in the morning,
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an arrest warrant was
authorized for Darren Mack
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for the murder of Charla Mack.
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He was on the loose,
so I was concerned.
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Normal life stopped.
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And local law enforcement
provided security
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at the hospital
for me and my family.
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We had good, strong evidence
that his cell phone had been
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turned on and was pinging
onto Interstate 80
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and westbound out of Reno
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before we lost contact
with it.
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So the indication was
that Mack had,
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in fact, fled to California.
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And past that, we had no idea
where he might have gone.
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{\an8}Darren Mack was
the sole suspect
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{\an8}in the shooting
of Judge Weller
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{\an8}and the murder
of his estranged wife, Charla.
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{\an8}But no one could find him.
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I wanted to believe
that he didn't do this,
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that there was some
reasonable explanation.
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But he disappeared
and was at large.
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After the shooting,
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there was
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an exhaustive manhunt
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{\an8}involving local, state,
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{\an8}federal law enforcement
agencies to locate Mr. Mack.
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{\an8}[dramatic music]
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{\an8}The media was covering
the attack in Reno,
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{\an8}and his picture was included.
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{\an8}Darren Mack,
he's 45 years old, 5'11",
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close to 200 pounds,
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driving a silver 2006
Ford Explorer.
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If you have seen Mack
or his car, call the police.
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We received a telephone call
from a ticket agent
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at the Sacramento airport.
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Mr. Mack had been there
at her counter.
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And when she asked
for identification,
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he refused and left
without getting a ticket.
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Exhaustive efforts
were made to search
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the Sacramento airport.
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It was likely that he had left
the airport in his car.
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It was on the news
all the time.
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Nobody knew where he was.
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It had all of the trappings
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that made it attractive
for the national
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and even
the international media.
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It was "Dateline"
and "48 Hours"
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and in the news
and the newspaper.
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It was constant.
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While investigators searched
for Darren Mack,
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his eight-year-old daughter,
Erika, was placed in the care
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of Darren's mother, Joan.
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His mother, Joan,
she'd already gotten
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temporary custody
by social services.
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And so I was terrified
that he would sneak in
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and try to grab Erika.
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As long as Mr. Mack
remained a fugitive,
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there was
reasonable apprehension
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that things might not end well,
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that Mr. Mack would
use violence
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to avoid responsibility,
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to perhaps harm himself.
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I was afraid for his life.
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I wanted him to come back
and be responsible
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because the Darren I knew
would be responsible.
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So we enlisted
members of the community,
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friends of Mr. Mack's,
to make public appeals
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asking Mr. Mack
to surrender himself.
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{\an8}And I'm begging him
that if he hears this,
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{\an8}if he's listening to this,
to please contact us.
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00:20:52,252 --> 00:20:53,545
{\an8}He knows he could trust us.
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00:20:53,586 --> 00:20:55,505
{\an8}We will do anything
to help him.
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{\an8}We want to save his life.
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We were inundated with tips.
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00:21:01,011 --> 00:21:04,556
But one tip in specific
really stood out to us was,
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an airline pilot had
flown from Mexico
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back to the United States,
seen the media coverage,
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and felt confident
he had seen Mr. Mack
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at a resort in Mexico.
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The FBI
and Mexican authorities
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worked in connection
to establish checkpoints
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in and around
Puerto Vallarta, Mexico,
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00:21:22,699 --> 00:21:25,660
searching hotels and buses
in an attempt
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00:21:25,702 --> 00:21:28,371
to track down Darren Mack.
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00:21:28,413 --> 00:21:32,125
He must have felt the walls
closing in around him.
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{\an8}[tense music]
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{\an8}♪ ♪
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Darren made
telephone communications
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with the Washoe County
district attorney at the time.
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{\an8}He wanted, in my opinion,
to try and sweeten the deal,
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{\an8}if you will, for his return.
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Included in Mr. Mack's
demands to surrender,
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he demanded
to speak to the media
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and talk about
what he perceived
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were the injustices
of the family court system
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and Judge Weller.
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He also wanted to have
a jail cell
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with certain books
and access to the internet.
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I think he was trying
to use his status
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as a fugitive to give him
a greater audience.
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He also wanted
the death penalty.
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I believe that he saw himself
as a martyr
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for the fathers who are
in the family court system.
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On June 21, 2006,
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after nearly ten days
on the run,
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Darren Mack agreed
to surrender himself
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to authorities
at the consulate
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at Puerto Vallarta, Mexico.
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Even though he claimed that
he wanted to turn himself in,
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set up a turnover,
Mr. Mack didn't show.
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{\an8}He failed to surrender
as promised.
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{\an8}Desperate people
sometimes say things
477
00:22:46,324 --> 00:22:47,992
{\an8}and then change their mind.
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{\an8}If he does
call me back again,
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{\an8}we're going to have
a little discussion
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{\an8}about his credibility
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{\an8}and just where we go
from there.
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♪ ♪
483
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It was so stressful
for all those involved.
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There were three families--
his family
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and Charla's family
and Judge Weller's family--
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who are living this nightmare
while all this tactical stuff
487
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was going on in the background
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and really couldn't even
begin, in my view, to grieve
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because of this maelstrom being
created to serve Darren Mack.
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{\an8}We're here to provide
an update and information
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on the arrest of Darren Mack.
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Darren Roy Mack
was apprehended
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in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico,
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one day after he failed
to meet a commitment he made
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to the Washoe County
district attorney
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and to the Reno Police
Department to turn himself in.
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It had been a very long
week and a half.
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I literally could not take
a shower
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without my phone ringing
two or three times.
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I was very relieved to know
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that he was taken
into custody.
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♪ ♪
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I was pleased
when he was apprehended.
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Law enforcement told us
that we were free to go home.
505
00:24:00,815 --> 00:24:02,317
I was driving
when I found out.
506
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,445
I got a phone call saying,
"They got him."
507
00:24:05,487 --> 00:24:06,446
[camera shutter clicks]
508
00:24:06,488 --> 00:24:07,489
I pulled over.
509
00:24:07,530 --> 00:24:09,074
I pulled over and cried.
510
00:24:09,115 --> 00:24:12,160
It was a lot, a lot of emotion
511
00:24:12,202 --> 00:24:14,579
and a lot of,
"So now what do we do?
512
00:24:25,173 --> 00:24:27,050
{\an8}[dramatic sting]
513
00:24:34,182 --> 00:24:36,976
{\an8}Mr. Mack's extradition
process was streamlined
514
00:24:37,018 --> 00:24:40,021
{\an8}by his defense attorneys.
515
00:24:40,063 --> 00:24:43,441
{\an8}When taken into custody,
Darren Mack still had
516
00:24:43,483 --> 00:24:46,569
{\an8}a substantial amount of money.
517
00:24:46,611 --> 00:24:48,196
{\an8}$40,000 in cash.
518
00:24:48,238 --> 00:24:50,073
{\an8}I remember thinking,
Mr. Mack complained
519
00:24:50,115 --> 00:24:51,574
{\an8}that he didn't have
enough money to make
520
00:24:51,616 --> 00:24:55,328
{\an8}temporary support to Charla
of $10,000 a month,
521
00:24:55,370 --> 00:24:58,373
and yet, on a moment's notice,
put together 40 grand in cash
522
00:24:58,415 --> 00:25:01,793
pretty easily
to take it to Mexico.
523
00:25:01,835 --> 00:25:04,337
In addition,
Mr. Mack had the benefit
524
00:25:04,379 --> 00:25:09,426
of the finest legal defense
in the country.
525
00:25:09,467 --> 00:25:12,637
I mean, he hired two of the
preeminent defense attorneys,
526
00:25:12,679 --> 00:25:14,055
certainly in the state
of Nevada
527
00:25:14,097 --> 00:25:16,016
and probably on the West Coast,
528
00:25:16,057 --> 00:25:18,184
Scott Freeman
and David Chesnoff.
529
00:25:18,226 --> 00:25:21,521
I'm sure their fee exceeded
a million dollars.
530
00:25:21,563 --> 00:25:25,900
I was most curious to see what
the defense was going to be.
531
00:25:33,366 --> 00:25:36,202
Mr. Mack was charged
with Charla's murder
532
00:25:36,244 --> 00:25:37,996
and the attempted murder
of Judge Weller
533
00:25:38,038 --> 00:25:41,374
and pled not guilty.
534
00:25:41,416 --> 00:25:43,418
I wasn't surprised
when he first entered pleas
535
00:25:43,460 --> 00:25:44,502
of not guilty.
536
00:25:44,544 --> 00:25:45,920
I knew, at the outset,
he would angle
537
00:25:45,962 --> 00:25:47,839
for the best deal he could get.
538
00:25:49,549 --> 00:25:52,594
Based on all
of the physical evidence,
539
00:25:52,635 --> 00:25:58,725
Mr. Mack's legal representation
had very few viable defenses.
540
00:25:59,434 --> 00:26:01,853
We got his shoes that had
blood spatter on them
541
00:26:01,895 --> 00:26:03,772
that came back to Charla.
542
00:26:03,813 --> 00:26:06,900
Evidence of his physical
presence at the crime scene
543
00:26:06,941 --> 00:26:10,278
was so overwhelming
that I don't know
544
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,739
what other options realistically
545
00:26:12,781 --> 00:26:14,991
Mr. Mack had to pursue.
546
00:26:15,033 --> 00:26:19,496
Self-defense is at least
a viable legal defense.
547
00:26:20,914 --> 00:26:22,874
It's ludicrous to me.
548
00:26:22,916 --> 00:26:24,584
The only fear
that he had of her
549
00:26:24,626 --> 00:26:27,337
was her taking his money.
550
00:26:31,466 --> 00:26:33,593
{\an8}In order to find
impartial jurors,
551
00:26:33,635 --> 00:26:35,804
{\an8}the trial was moved
to Las Vegas.
552
00:26:35,845 --> 00:26:41,101
And on October 24, 2007,
all eyes were on Darren Mack
553
00:26:41,142 --> 00:26:43,019
as the state delivered
its case
554
00:26:43,061 --> 00:26:44,979
in the murder of Charla Mack
555
00:26:45,021 --> 00:26:47,565
and in the shooting
of Judge Weller.
556
00:26:47,607 --> 00:26:49,484
What made
the Mack divorce different,
557
00:26:49,526 --> 00:26:52,862
if there was a difference, was
the amount of money involved.
558
00:26:52,904 --> 00:26:55,323
The prosecution detailed
in their opening statement
559
00:26:55,365 --> 00:27:00,286
that what motivated this murder
was Mr. Mack's displeasure
560
00:27:00,328 --> 00:27:01,788
with the money
that he was going to be
561
00:27:01,830 --> 00:27:05,125
forced to pay in the divorce.
562
00:27:05,166 --> 00:27:06,960
One of the main points
of contention
563
00:27:07,002 --> 00:27:08,753
during the divorce
was Darren Mack's income.
564
00:27:08,795 --> 00:27:11,631
He owned 51%
of Palace Jewelry and Loan.
565
00:27:11,673 --> 00:27:13,758
Midway through the divorce,
he transferred
566
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,468
ownership back to his mother.
567
00:27:15,510 --> 00:27:20,181
He claimed to be making $44,000
a month prior to the divorce.
568
00:27:20,223 --> 00:27:21,933
And then midway
through the divorce,
569
00:27:21,975 --> 00:27:23,643
he filed papers saying
he was simply an employee
570
00:27:23,685 --> 00:27:26,479
{\an8}making a $5,000 a month salary.
571
00:27:26,521 --> 00:27:28,481
{\an8}Judge Weller could see
very clearly
572
00:27:28,523 --> 00:27:30,483
{\an8}through the games
Darren Mack was playing
573
00:27:30,525 --> 00:27:32,444
{\an8}that he was trying
to hide income.
574
00:27:32,485 --> 00:27:34,446
He believed the system
was unconstitutional.
575
00:27:34,487 --> 00:27:36,489
Judge Weller was being
unfair to him.
576
00:27:36,531 --> 00:27:39,826
The defendant's frustration
and anger grew.
577
00:27:39,868 --> 00:27:41,202
Darren Mack had a problem.
578
00:27:41,244 --> 00:27:43,580
He found a solution
to his problem.
579
00:27:43,621 --> 00:27:47,000
Darren Mack ambushed
his soon-to-be ex-wife
580
00:27:47,042 --> 00:27:48,293
with a knife.
581
00:27:48,335 --> 00:27:50,962
And her death was neither
sudden nor painless.
582
00:27:51,004 --> 00:27:53,340
It was personal.
583
00:27:53,381 --> 00:27:55,967
It becomes clear
in the opening statements
584
00:27:56,009 --> 00:27:59,721
that the defense is going
to run a defense on two paths,
585
00:27:59,763 --> 00:28:02,474
because, remember,
there were two crime scenes
586
00:28:02,515 --> 00:28:04,351
and two victims.
587
00:28:04,392 --> 00:28:07,187
To the killing of Charla
and in support
588
00:28:07,228 --> 00:28:09,981
of this self-defense theory
came a claim
589
00:28:10,023 --> 00:28:12,233
of Charla's
violent tendencies,
590
00:28:12,275 --> 00:28:13,777
that she had been
physically violent.
591
00:28:13,818 --> 00:28:16,738
Darren was not aware
of the dark side of Charla
592
00:28:16,780 --> 00:28:17,906
prior to marriage.
593
00:28:17,947 --> 00:28:19,824
He also was not aware
of her ability
594
00:28:19,866 --> 00:28:21,493
to be physically violent
595
00:28:21,534 --> 00:28:24,079
and physically abusive
towards Darren.
596
00:28:25,705 --> 00:28:28,291
The hardest part
was listening
597
00:28:28,333 --> 00:28:30,377
to Darren's defense attorneys
598
00:28:30,418 --> 00:28:33,338
talk about how horrible
Charla was.
599
00:28:33,380 --> 00:28:35,215
You know, I mean,
she wasn't an angel,
600
00:28:35,256 --> 00:28:39,010
but she definitely wasn't
what they depicted her to be.
601
00:28:39,052 --> 00:28:41,304
Mr. Mack claimed
that he had been
602
00:28:41,346 --> 00:28:43,640
the victim of many incidents
as a domestic battery,
603
00:28:43,682 --> 00:28:45,809
and especially in one incident
that Charla Mack,
604
00:28:45,850 --> 00:28:47,268
in a fit of rage,
had kicked him
605
00:28:47,310 --> 00:28:50,855
and broken his finger
at a karate practice.
606
00:28:50,897 --> 00:28:52,774
Darren and Charla
were very passionate.
607
00:28:52,816 --> 00:28:54,567
They loved and fought.
608
00:28:54,609 --> 00:28:58,697
And nobody pushes your buttons
like your spouse.
609
00:28:58,738 --> 00:29:00,907
{\an8}And she was not immune to that.
610
00:29:00,949 --> 00:29:02,951
{\an8}She gave as good as she got.
611
00:29:04,536 --> 00:29:06,204
She would call me
and tell me how--
612
00:29:06,246 --> 00:29:08,915
the different ways
that she talked back to him,
613
00:29:08,957 --> 00:29:10,667
mocking him at times.
614
00:29:10,709 --> 00:29:13,461
And I think
that she just infuriated him.
615
00:29:15,422 --> 00:29:17,674
During the investigation,
we learned
616
00:29:17,716 --> 00:29:21,344
that Darren Mack had been
accused of violence
617
00:29:21,386 --> 00:29:23,972
in their relationship.
618
00:29:24,014 --> 00:29:26,766
Law enforcement was called
to the Mack mansion
619
00:29:26,808 --> 00:29:30,270
where both parties alleged
domestic abuse.
620
00:29:30,311 --> 00:29:32,939
Charla did call me
and tell me he choked her,
621
00:29:32,981 --> 00:29:34,107
and she was really scared.
622
00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:36,609
She was sobbing on the phone.
623
00:29:36,651 --> 00:29:38,486
Charla Mack was
a very small woman.
624
00:29:38,528 --> 00:29:41,031
Darren Mack was a large
bodybuilding male.
625
00:29:41,072 --> 00:29:44,117
But he claimed that Charla Mack
had been the primary aggressor
626
00:29:44,159 --> 00:29:46,202
and that he was the victim.
627
00:29:46,244 --> 00:29:47,954
You see,
ladies and gentlemen,
628
00:29:47,996 --> 00:29:50,498
Charla has a pattern
of behavior.
629
00:29:50,540 --> 00:29:53,543
Some call it borderline
personality disorder.
630
00:29:53,585 --> 00:29:57,088
She could be kind
and giving in public.
631
00:29:57,130 --> 00:30:00,050
She could be violent
and abusive at home.
632
00:30:00,091 --> 00:30:02,510
It was too much
for Darren to take.
633
00:30:02,552 --> 00:30:04,304
The defense claimed
that Darren started
634
00:30:04,346 --> 00:30:06,222
carrying a gun on his person
635
00:30:06,264 --> 00:30:10,352
when he had interactions
with Mrs. Mack.
636
00:30:10,393 --> 00:30:12,437
He was claiming
he was afraid
637
00:30:12,479 --> 00:30:14,814
of what she was going to do
to him.
638
00:30:14,856 --> 00:30:18,109
The defense said that Charla
had been so horrific
639
00:30:18,151 --> 00:30:20,236
that it just wore on Darren
640
00:30:20,278 --> 00:30:22,364
and wore on Darren
like a rubber band.
641
00:30:31,706 --> 00:30:32,165
{\an8}[somber music]
642
00:30:34,668 --> 00:30:37,295
{\an8}♪ ♪
643
00:30:37,337 --> 00:30:40,465
This was our Montessori
school's auction.
644
00:30:40,507 --> 00:30:42,634
We were a little bit of
the Three Musketeers, you know?
645
00:30:42,676 --> 00:30:45,428
And honestly, I felt like
we were just getting started.
646
00:30:45,470 --> 00:30:47,472
So I wanted to be
at the trial every day.
647
00:30:47,514 --> 00:30:49,432
I know you couldn't go.
648
00:30:49,474 --> 00:30:51,810
It was quite the event
just to sit there every day
649
00:30:51,851 --> 00:30:55,897
and listen to all these things,
all these lies, all these--
650
00:30:55,939 --> 00:30:57,941
Did you hear things
that were disturbing
651
00:30:57,982 --> 00:30:59,150
that you didn't know?
652
00:30:59,192 --> 00:31:00,318
I didn't hear a lot
I didn't know,
653
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,029
but I heard a lot
I didn't believe.
654
00:31:03,822 --> 00:31:08,368
{\an8}On October 24, 2007,
Darren Mack's attorneys
655
00:31:08,410 --> 00:31:10,161
presented in their
opening statements
656
00:31:10,203 --> 00:31:11,788
what they claim happened
657
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:15,083
on the morning
of June 12, 2006.
658
00:31:15,125 --> 00:31:17,794
Charla was supposed to bring
Erika over at about 9:00,
659
00:31:17,836 --> 00:31:21,006
but Charla also wanted
to discuss
660
00:31:21,047 --> 00:31:22,298
settling the divorce.
661
00:31:22,340 --> 00:31:24,342
Darren's attorneys would say
662
00:31:24,384 --> 00:31:26,553
{\an8}that Darren brought a knife
and a gun
663
00:31:26,594 --> 00:31:28,847
{\an8}to this meeting with Charla.
664
00:31:28,888 --> 00:31:31,641
Darren said
she walked up to him
665
00:31:31,683 --> 00:31:34,144
and slapped him
across the face and said,
666
00:31:34,185 --> 00:31:36,229
"Darren, give me my money."
667
00:31:36,271 --> 00:31:39,357
"Darren, drop the appeal,"
says Charla.
668
00:31:39,399 --> 00:31:41,484
'Make your mother pay me.
669
00:31:41,526 --> 00:31:44,654
You know you owe me
what I deserve."
670
00:31:44,696 --> 00:31:46,156
As they're having
an argument,
671
00:31:46,197 --> 00:31:47,490
she hits him on the head,
672
00:31:47,532 --> 00:31:49,951
causing the gun
to fall out of his pants.
673
00:31:49,993 --> 00:31:54,998
Charla looks at the gun,
pulls the hammer back,
674
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,168
smiles, and fires.
675
00:31:58,209 --> 00:31:59,753
But it misfires.
676
00:31:59,794 --> 00:32:02,213
Darren thinks he's been shot.
He's not.
677
00:32:02,255 --> 00:32:04,507
Charla starts to cock
the hammer again.
678
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:06,843
Darren knew
he was going to die.
679
00:32:06,885 --> 00:32:10,347
So he's forced
to stab her to death.
680
00:32:10,388 --> 00:32:13,224
He acted in self-defense.
681
00:32:13,266 --> 00:32:16,019
But an autopsy was performed
on Charla Mack's body,
682
00:32:16,061 --> 00:32:18,772
{\an8}and she had several
defensive injuries--
683
00:32:18,813 --> 00:32:21,399
{\an8}a stab wound to her calf,
very consistent
684
00:32:21,441 --> 00:32:22,942
{\an8}with somebody
who's on the ground,
685
00:32:22,984 --> 00:32:24,444
{\an8}kicking at her attacker.
686
00:32:24,486 --> 00:32:26,363
{\an8}She also had defensive wounds
to her hands
687
00:32:26,404 --> 00:32:27,739
{\an8}and to her forearms
as she was trying
688
00:32:27,781 --> 00:32:32,744
{\an8}to parry off
those stabbing blows.
689
00:32:32,786 --> 00:32:35,580
With the physical evidence
on their side,
690
00:32:35,622 --> 00:32:38,875
prosecutors made their case
against Darren Mack
691
00:32:38,917 --> 00:32:41,711
for the shooting
of Judge Weller.
692
00:32:41,753 --> 00:32:44,089
After he actually
followed through
693
00:32:44,130 --> 00:32:45,382
with killing Charla Mack,
694
00:32:45,423 --> 00:32:47,050
I believe
that he fully intended
695
00:32:47,092 --> 00:32:52,263
to drive to the parking garage
to try to kill Judge Weller.
696
00:32:52,305 --> 00:32:53,556
During the trial,
697
00:32:53,598 --> 00:32:56,559
they showed
video footage of Darren
698
00:32:56,601 --> 00:33:00,355
driving a rental car
into the parking garage
699
00:33:00,397 --> 00:33:01,898
across from the courthouse.
700
00:33:04,150 --> 00:33:07,862
Behind me is
the Mills Lane Justice Center.
701
00:33:07,904 --> 00:33:10,073
The surveillance footage
was very important.
702
00:33:10,115 --> 00:33:13,576
Darren Mack arrived here
at about 10:42 in the morning.
703
00:33:13,618 --> 00:33:15,745
He obtained a ticket
at the gate,
704
00:33:15,787 --> 00:33:18,623
drove up to the fifth floor,
and then backed the vehicle in
705
00:33:18,665 --> 00:33:21,042
so the rear of the vehicle
was facing
706
00:33:21,084 --> 00:33:22,627
the Mills Lane Justice Center.
707
00:33:22,669 --> 00:33:25,422
At about 11:05 a.m.
is when we began getting
708
00:33:25,463 --> 00:33:26,923
reports of the shooting.
709
00:33:26,965 --> 00:33:29,050
And at about 11:06,
surveillance cameras show
710
00:33:29,092 --> 00:33:31,177
the rear hatch
of the Explorer being closed
711
00:33:31,219 --> 00:33:33,805
and the Explorer leaving
the parking garage.
712
00:33:35,306 --> 00:33:36,641
Who fired the bullet?
713
00:33:36,683 --> 00:33:37,976
Well, if there's
a common denominator
714
00:33:38,018 --> 00:33:41,271
between Charla Mack
and Judge Weller,
715
00:33:41,312 --> 00:33:42,772
it's the defendant,
Darren Mack.
716
00:33:44,482 --> 00:33:47,318
{\an8}The judicial system,
the third branch
717
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:52,032
{\an8}of the American government,
is larger than the interests
718
00:33:52,073 --> 00:33:53,908
of any one individual.
719
00:33:53,950 --> 00:33:57,829
And so no violent person,
no judge
720
00:33:57,871 --> 00:33:59,372
should ever think
that they have
721
00:33:59,414 --> 00:34:01,666
the ability to change
the operation
722
00:34:01,708 --> 00:34:03,460
of the judicial system.
723
00:34:03,501 --> 00:34:05,670
We're servants
of the judicial system.
724
00:34:07,756 --> 00:34:09,966
There is no defense
to the shooting, right?
725
00:34:10,008 --> 00:34:11,259
There's no imminent need.
726
00:34:11,301 --> 00:34:12,927
There's no,
"Some other dude did it."
727
00:34:12,969 --> 00:34:15,347
There's no other real defense
to the shooting
728
00:34:15,388 --> 00:34:17,640
other than
he didn't have the intent.
729
00:34:17,682 --> 00:34:19,309
And you get that
one of two ways--
730
00:34:19,351 --> 00:34:22,062
he either didn't formulate
or he couldn't formulate it
731
00:34:22,103 --> 00:34:25,065
because he was "temporarily"
out of his mind.
732
00:34:25,106 --> 00:34:29,152
At the time of the shooting
of Judge Weller,
733
00:34:29,194 --> 00:34:32,489
you will find
that Darren Mack was suffering
734
00:34:32,530 --> 00:34:35,492
from delusional disorder.
735
00:34:35,533 --> 00:34:39,871
The defense claimed that he,
as a result of the attack
736
00:34:39,913 --> 00:34:44,376
that he faced with Charla Mack,
had a moment of insanity
737
00:34:44,417 --> 00:34:47,587
when he went
and shot Judge Weller.
738
00:34:47,629 --> 00:34:51,549
Everything is happening
basically on automatic pilot,
739
00:34:51,591 --> 00:34:54,636
which is consistent
with somebody
740
00:34:54,678 --> 00:34:56,596
suffering from the delusions
741
00:34:56,638 --> 00:34:59,140
that Darren Mack was
suffering from
742
00:34:59,182 --> 00:35:03,061
at the time that he went
and shot Judge Weller.
743
00:35:04,688 --> 00:35:06,564
I thought
his defense was clever
744
00:35:06,606 --> 00:35:09,192
because it would allow them
to attack
745
00:35:09,234 --> 00:35:12,946
{\an8}both, from a self-defense
perspective, the murder
746
00:35:12,987 --> 00:35:16,449
{\an8}and to have a defense
to the shooting.
747
00:35:16,491 --> 00:35:18,660
But there was
a mountain of evidence,
748
00:35:18,702 --> 00:35:21,996
including a to-do list
in the defendant's own hand,
749
00:35:22,038 --> 00:35:25,208
that corroborated the sequence
of events that had occurred
750
00:35:25,250 --> 00:35:26,876
on the day of the crimes.
751
00:35:26,918 --> 00:35:30,296
So this was a very difficult
case to defend.
752
00:35:30,338 --> 00:35:32,674
{\an8}And there is only so much
even the best attorneys
753
00:35:32,716 --> 00:35:35,135
{\an8}in the world can do
under our system.
754
00:35:36,636 --> 00:35:40,348
{\an8}[tense music]
755
00:35:40,390 --> 00:35:41,891
I received a telephone call
756
00:35:41,933 --> 00:35:44,519
that the defense had approached
the prosecution
757
00:35:44,561 --> 00:35:46,021
with a possible plea deal.
758
00:35:46,062 --> 00:35:48,773
If we drop the deadly
weapon enhancement,
759
00:35:48,815 --> 00:35:53,069
Mr. Mack was willing to plead
to first-degree murder,
760
00:35:53,111 --> 00:35:55,572
as well as attempted murder
with the use of a deadly weapon
761
00:35:55,613 --> 00:35:59,075
on Judge Weller,
which would save Mr. Mack
762
00:35:59,117 --> 00:36:01,745
about 20 years' worth
of sentence.
763
00:36:01,786 --> 00:36:04,247
I was gobsmacked
Monday morning
764
00:36:04,289 --> 00:36:07,208
{\an8}when they announced
that a deal had been struck
765
00:36:07,250 --> 00:36:09,753
{\an8}and that he was going to enter
a plea of guilty.
766
00:36:09,794 --> 00:36:12,088
{\an8}I was gobsmacked.
767
00:36:12,130 --> 00:36:15,759
He changed his not guilty
plea to a guilty plea
768
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,220
and didn't present any defense
in the courtroom.
769
00:36:19,262 --> 00:36:22,474
All right, as to count one,
murder of the first degree,
770
00:36:22,515 --> 00:36:24,309
{\an8}it's my understanding,
Mr. Mack,
771
00:36:24,351 --> 00:36:27,896
{\an8}that on June 12th of 2006,
772
00:36:27,937 --> 00:36:30,774
you willfully, feloniously,
and without authority of law
773
00:36:30,815 --> 00:36:33,193
stabbed into the body
of Charla Mack,
774
00:36:33,234 --> 00:36:34,319
causing her death.
775
00:36:34,361 --> 00:36:35,653
- Is that correct?
- That's correct.
776
00:36:35,695 --> 00:36:38,114
And as to count two,
it's my understanding
777
00:36:38,156 --> 00:36:40,784
that willfully, unlawfully,
and without authority of law,
778
00:36:40,825 --> 00:36:42,660
you shot Judge Weller
with a firearm.
779
00:36:42,702 --> 00:36:44,079
That's correct.
780
00:36:46,498 --> 00:36:47,999
I was just in shock.
781
00:36:48,041 --> 00:36:52,837
He had gone from being
this reasonable, calm,
782
00:36:52,879 --> 00:36:54,964
collected, successful person
783
00:36:55,006 --> 00:36:59,010
to someone
who would kill somebody.
784
00:36:59,052 --> 00:37:01,471
Unfortunately,
that November 5th day
785
00:37:01,513 --> 00:37:03,139
was not the end
of the Mack trial.
786
00:37:05,016 --> 00:37:07,560
Fairly soon after he struck
that plea deal,
787
00:37:07,602 --> 00:37:10,647
he fired Mr. Chesnoff
and Mr. Freeman.
788
00:37:10,689 --> 00:37:12,982
He claimed
his defense attorneys had
789
00:37:13,024 --> 00:37:15,860
overborne his will,
basically pestered him,
790
00:37:15,902 --> 00:37:19,489
and he was unable to freely,
knowingly, and intelligently
791
00:37:19,531 --> 00:37:21,032
enter a plea of guilty.
792
00:37:21,074 --> 00:37:22,867
Hired a new attorney,
William Routsis,
793
00:37:22,909 --> 00:37:25,036
and sought to withdraw
his plea.
794
00:37:25,078 --> 00:37:26,788
I really think
that he's narcissistic
795
00:37:26,830 --> 00:37:30,041
and thinks he's smarter
than Freeman and Chesnoff.
796
00:37:30,083 --> 00:37:34,337
He's a little bit delusional
about how life is.
797
00:37:34,379 --> 00:37:36,881
He reminds me of a little kid
having a tantrum.
798
00:37:36,923 --> 00:37:38,675
He doesn't like the outcome.
799
00:37:38,717 --> 00:37:40,343
"Fire all those people.
800
00:37:40,385 --> 00:37:42,095
We're going to try again."
801
00:37:42,137 --> 00:37:45,682
And he wanted
to get on the stand
802
00:37:45,724 --> 00:37:48,184
to tell the world his story.
803
00:37:48,226 --> 00:37:50,854
I've remained quiet
through this whole thing,
804
00:37:50,895 --> 00:37:53,314
and now I would like
to come forward and speak
805
00:37:53,356 --> 00:37:54,649
because there's some
very important things
806
00:37:54,691 --> 00:37:57,193
I would like to share.
807
00:38:04,993 --> 00:38:06,286
{\an8}On January 16, 2008,
Darren Mack took the stand
808
00:38:09,831 --> 00:38:11,583
{\an8}to decide
whether he would be allowed
809
00:38:11,624 --> 00:38:13,793
{\an8}to withdraw his guilty plea.
810
00:38:16,963 --> 00:38:18,173
{\an8}Please raise
your right hand.
811
00:38:23,803 --> 00:38:25,847
{\an8}Thank you.
Please have a seat.
812
00:38:25,889 --> 00:38:27,640
{\an8}It's generally not
a good idea
813
00:38:27,682 --> 00:38:29,934
{\an8}for a guilty defendant
to take the stand.
814
00:38:29,976 --> 00:38:31,936
But he felt he needed to make
815
00:38:31,978 --> 00:38:33,646
some kind of statement
to the court.
816
00:38:33,688 --> 00:38:37,901
Charla had threatened my life
numerous, numerous times,
817
00:38:37,942 --> 00:38:39,486
as well as attacking me.
818
00:38:39,527 --> 00:38:41,196
What happened was--is,
819
00:38:41,237 --> 00:38:42,781
after she was trying
to kill me,
820
00:38:42,822 --> 00:38:45,283
we both went to the ground.
821
00:38:45,325 --> 00:38:47,827
She then got stabbed.
822
00:38:47,869 --> 00:38:49,829
And you got to understand
the state of mind.
823
00:38:49,871 --> 00:38:52,415
It was an instinct.
824
00:38:52,457 --> 00:38:53,792
But the thing you don't--
825
00:38:53,833 --> 00:38:55,919
a lot of people
don't recognize--
826
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,672
I lost a wife too.
827
00:38:58,713 --> 00:39:01,466
And even though
that this happened,
828
00:39:01,508 --> 00:39:02,884
I still love Charla.
829
00:39:02,926 --> 00:39:06,137
I just couldn't live with her,
and I was afraid of her.
830
00:39:06,179 --> 00:39:10,475
Mr. Mack's narcissistic
mindset really showed through
831
00:39:10,517 --> 00:39:12,977
in that hearing
when he took the stand
832
00:39:13,019 --> 00:39:14,562
and talked about
being the victim.
833
00:39:14,604 --> 00:39:16,981
{\an8}It was just unfathomable to me
834
00:39:17,023 --> 00:39:20,443
{\an8}to listen to his perceptions
of the process.
835
00:39:23,363 --> 00:39:25,323
At the conclusion
of that hearing,
836
00:39:25,365 --> 00:39:27,742
Judge Herndon ruled
that Mr. Mack
837
00:39:27,784 --> 00:39:30,745
knowingly and voluntarily
entered his plea
838
00:39:30,787 --> 00:39:35,250
and denied his motion
to withdraw his guilty plea.
839
00:39:35,291 --> 00:39:38,211
{\an8}[somber music]
840
00:39:38,253 --> 00:39:40,797
{\an8}♪ ♪
841
00:39:40,839 --> 00:39:43,133
It's time set
for the court to address
842
00:39:43,174 --> 00:39:45,135
the sentencing of Mr. Mack.
843
00:39:45,176 --> 00:39:47,595
This case, in my mind,
obviously cries out
844
00:39:47,637 --> 00:39:49,222
for incarceration,
and the defendant
845
00:39:49,264 --> 00:39:53,184
is going to be incarcerated
for a very long time.
846
00:39:53,226 --> 00:39:55,520
Mr. Mack was sentenced
to the maximum
847
00:39:55,562 --> 00:39:58,690
on first-degree murder
of life with the possibility
848
00:39:58,732 --> 00:40:00,358
of parole after 20 years.
849
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,485
That sentence is
to be served consecutive
850
00:40:02,527 --> 00:40:04,863
to the attempted murder charge
of Judge Weller.
851
00:40:04,904 --> 00:40:07,282
So in total, under Nevada law,
852
00:40:07,323 --> 00:40:11,536
Mr. Mack would have to do
a minimum of 36 years
853
00:40:11,578 --> 00:40:13,705
before he could actually walk
the streets
854
00:40:13,747 --> 00:40:15,373
as a free man again.
855
00:40:18,418 --> 00:40:21,504
After Judge Herndon gave him
the maximum sentence,
856
00:40:21,546 --> 00:40:23,298
Darren was in shackles.
857
00:40:23,340 --> 00:40:25,800
And he's walking
by all the people
858
00:40:25,842 --> 00:40:28,136
that he had known in his life
and his children
859
00:40:28,178 --> 00:40:33,016
and his mother, and this is
the end of his life
860
00:40:33,058 --> 00:40:34,726
as he'll ever know it.
861
00:40:34,768 --> 00:40:37,896
♪ ♪
862
00:40:37,937 --> 00:40:41,274
And it brought me
a sense of peace.
863
00:40:46,488 --> 00:40:49,949
In addition
to the criminal charges,
864
00:40:49,991 --> 00:40:52,786
the estate
of Charla Mack initiated
865
00:40:52,827 --> 00:40:55,080
{\an8}a wrongful death suit
in civil court
866
00:40:55,121 --> 00:40:57,290
{\an8}against Mr. Mack.
867
00:40:58,500 --> 00:41:01,419
{\an8}When I say
what I do matters to me,
868
00:41:01,461 --> 00:41:03,004
{\an8}the reason I went
to law school
869
00:41:03,046 --> 00:41:05,298
{\an8}was cases like this.
870
00:41:05,340 --> 00:41:08,927
{\an8}Really, the theme is that,
by killing Charla,
871
00:41:08,968 --> 00:41:11,638
Darren stole what should
have been the happiness
872
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,100
and the fairy tale
of this child's life from her
873
00:41:15,141 --> 00:41:17,143
because he took
not only her mother
874
00:41:17,185 --> 00:41:20,563
but, of course, himself
by that act.
875
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,568
Ultimately,
her estate prevailed,
876
00:41:25,610 --> 00:41:30,949
and there was a judgment
of approximately $590 million
877
00:41:30,990 --> 00:41:32,951
against Mr. Mack
878
00:41:32,992 --> 00:41:35,829
for the wrongful death
of his wife.
879
00:41:37,205 --> 00:41:40,166
I was glad of the reward.
880
00:41:40,208 --> 00:41:41,751
A little girl lost her mother.
881
00:41:41,793 --> 00:41:43,628
She's growing up
without parents.
882
00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:46,589
She deserved every penny.
883
00:41:46,631 --> 00:41:48,967
There was also
a final order struck
884
00:41:49,009 --> 00:41:51,803
between family members
related to the care,
885
00:41:51,845 --> 00:41:54,264
custody, and control of Erika.
886
00:41:54,305 --> 00:41:57,684
And the result is
that Erika then lived
887
00:41:57,726 --> 00:41:59,769
primarily with Soorya Townley.
888
00:41:59,811 --> 00:42:03,148
♪ ♪
889
00:42:03,189 --> 00:42:04,816
This is not a unique story.
890
00:42:04,858 --> 00:42:08,570
This is just a story that
I personally knew the people.
891
00:42:08,611 --> 00:42:09,863
And it's still tragic.
892
00:42:09,904 --> 00:42:13,408
And it's still heartbreaking.
893
00:42:15,076 --> 00:42:16,619
You think about
a lot of us, hopefully,
894
00:42:16,661 --> 00:42:19,539
we'll have the luxury
of being surrounded by people
895
00:42:19,581 --> 00:42:20,915
who love us when we die.
896
00:42:20,957 --> 00:42:26,212
And she didn't get that luxury
of dying with love.
897
00:42:26,254 --> 00:42:30,133
She died in pain and terror.
898
00:42:30,175 --> 00:42:32,302
And that haunts me.
899
00:42:32,344 --> 00:42:35,722
And it's very, very difficult
to let go.
900
00:42:35,764 --> 00:42:41,311
{\an8}♪ ♪
901
00:42:41,353 --> 00:42:43,521
{\an8}Justice is
a very difficult word.
902
00:42:43,563 --> 00:42:48,068
{\an8}I believe that law and order
was served justly.
903
00:42:48,109 --> 00:42:51,613
But I suspect
that the Charla Mack family
904
00:42:51,654 --> 00:42:54,449
and Judge Weller may not
see it that way.
905
00:42:54,491 --> 00:42:57,410
To the Charla Mack family
or to Judge Weller,
906
00:42:57,452 --> 00:43:00,205
justice would be
bringing their loved ones back
907
00:43:00,246 --> 00:43:02,957
and to removing that day
from their lives.
908
00:43:02,999 --> 00:43:04,626
The criminal justice system
doesn't have
909
00:43:04,668 --> 00:43:07,337
the ability to do that.
910
00:43:07,379 --> 00:43:09,631
I've been a judge
for 17 years
911
00:43:09,673 --> 00:43:12,967
since this event occurred.
912
00:43:13,009 --> 00:43:15,428
{\an8}I've raised my children.
They're successful.
913
00:43:17,597 --> 00:43:20,308
{\an8}I try to have
as normal a life as I can.
914
00:43:23,728 --> 00:43:25,897
{\an8}You think you have eternity
to be together,
915
00:43:25,939 --> 00:43:27,565
{\an8}and then you realize,
you know...
916
00:43:27,607 --> 00:43:30,568
{\an8}[chuckles]
917
00:43:30,610 --> 00:43:32,696
{\an8}Hold on to your children.
73831
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