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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,460 --> 00:00:03,420 In the criminal justice system, 2 00:00:04,796 --> 00:00:07,382 detectives and prosecutors face daunting challenges 3 00:00:07,424 --> 00:00:09,843 when money is the motive for murder. 4 00:00:09,884 --> 00:00:12,387 [dramatic sting] 5 00:00:12,429 --> 00:00:14,055 Downtown Reno is gripped in panic 6 00:00:14,097 --> 00:00:15,974 after a judge is shot. 7 00:00:16,016 --> 00:00:18,518 My initial reaction was that this was a random shooting. 8 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:20,353 We walked to the driveway. 9 00:00:20,395 --> 00:00:23,690 A series of blood droplets appeared 10 00:00:23,732 --> 00:00:25,275 outside the garage door. 11 00:00:25,316 --> 00:00:26,901 After a second attack, 12 00:00:26,943 --> 00:00:29,195 investigators reveal a terrifying plot. 13 00:00:29,237 --> 00:00:31,781 I believe money was the main issue. 14 00:00:31,823 --> 00:00:34,868 One item that stood out appeared to be a to-do list. 15 00:00:34,909 --> 00:00:38,288 I had great concern about who was next on the list. 16 00:00:38,329 --> 00:00:39,831 Officials rush to cage 17 00:00:39,873 --> 00:00:41,875 an unsuspecting killer on the loose. 18 00:00:41,916 --> 00:00:42,959 There were three families 19 00:00:43,001 --> 00:00:44,878 who were living this nightmare 20 00:00:44,919 --> 00:00:47,881 while all this tactical stuff was going on. 21 00:00:47,922 --> 00:00:51,593 These men and women dedicate their lives to law and order. 22 00:00:51,634 --> 00:00:53,386 Most murderers, quite simply, believe 23 00:00:53,428 --> 00:00:55,013 that their life is more important 24 00:00:55,055 --> 00:00:56,639 than the life of the victim. 25 00:00:56,681 --> 00:00:59,559 These are their true stories. 26 00:01:13,239 --> 00:01:15,200 {\an8}Doctors treated Judge Chuck Weller 27 00:01:15,241 --> 00:01:17,577 {\an8}for gunshot wounds to the chest. 28 00:01:17,619 --> 00:01:19,871 {\an8}There are multiple bullet fragments seen, 29 00:01:19,913 --> 00:01:21,748 {\an8}with significant bleeding. 30 00:01:21,790 --> 00:01:25,752 {\an8}Judge Weller was standing in his chambers 31 00:01:25,794 --> 00:01:27,754 {\an8}when he was shot. 32 00:01:27,796 --> 00:01:30,423 {\an8}There was absolute pandemonium. 33 00:01:30,465 --> 00:01:32,592 {\an8}Nobody knew where that shot originated from, 34 00:01:32,634 --> 00:01:35,303 {\an8}and nobody knew how many more shots would come. 35 00:01:35,345 --> 00:01:37,597 {\an8}People were fleeing from the streets. 36 00:01:37,639 --> 00:01:39,140 {\an8}They were hiding. 37 00:01:39,182 --> 00:01:40,767 {\an8}People driving down the street were 38 00:01:40,809 --> 00:01:43,603 {\an8}removed from vehicles and shoved into businesses. 39 00:01:43,645 --> 00:01:46,106 {\an8}It was a horribly frightening experience, 40 00:01:46,147 --> 00:01:48,316 and people were panicked. 41 00:01:48,358 --> 00:01:50,902 My initial reaction was that this was a random shooting, 42 00:01:50,944 --> 00:01:53,571 that this was a sniper who had taken a perch 43 00:01:53,613 --> 00:01:56,825 and was firing indiscriminately upon people, 44 00:01:56,866 --> 00:01:59,035 and he happened to have targeted the judge. 45 00:01:59,077 --> 00:02:00,412 The bullet had entered 46 00:02:00,453 --> 00:02:02,622 through Judge Weller's chamber's windows. 47 00:02:02,664 --> 00:02:05,458 Part of the fragments had struck books 48 00:02:05,500 --> 00:02:07,544 in a bookshelf behind him. 49 00:02:07,585 --> 00:02:11,339 So we were able to isolate the trajectory of the shot. 50 00:02:11,381 --> 00:02:13,800 [gunshot] 51 00:02:13,842 --> 00:02:15,301 Right at 12:00, 52 00:02:15,343 --> 00:02:17,262 there was a multilevel parking garage 53 00:02:17,303 --> 00:02:21,182 that looks almost directly into the judge's chambers. 54 00:02:21,224 --> 00:02:23,977 {\an8}The Reno Police Department isolated and cordoned off 55 00:02:24,019 --> 00:02:26,354 {\an8}about a 3 by 5 block area. 56 00:02:26,396 --> 00:02:29,024 {\an8}I donned a SWAT vest and a SWAT helmet. 57 00:02:29,065 --> 00:02:30,400 I grabbed a rifle. 58 00:02:30,442 --> 00:02:32,110 And I began to respond to the area 59 00:02:32,152 --> 00:02:33,278 where the shot had originated. 60 00:02:33,319 --> 00:02:34,696 [siren wailing] 61 00:02:34,738 --> 00:02:36,781 As a team, we began systematically clearing 62 00:02:36,823 --> 00:02:39,743 the parking garage floor by floor. 63 00:02:39,784 --> 00:02:41,536 [dramatic music] 64 00:02:41,578 --> 00:02:43,496 While police searched for the missing gunman, 65 00:02:43,538 --> 00:02:45,540 investigators tried to uncover 66 00:02:45,582 --> 00:02:48,335 why a sitting judge would be a target for murder 67 00:02:48,376 --> 00:02:50,378 and who was responsible. 68 00:02:50,420 --> 00:02:53,131 I, during the course of my career, 69 00:02:53,173 --> 00:02:56,134 had occasion to meet Judge Weller several times. 70 00:02:56,176 --> 00:02:59,679 I assumed him to be a judicial officer of good standing 71 00:02:59,721 --> 00:03:03,725 and certainly warranted the respect of the community. 72 00:03:03,767 --> 00:03:07,562 A number of us were concerned for Judge Weller. 73 00:03:07,604 --> 00:03:10,523 This person was targeting the family court system. 74 00:03:10,565 --> 00:03:14,277 I had great concern about who was next on the list. 75 00:03:14,319 --> 00:03:17,238 As word of an active shooter spread through Reno, 76 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,074 residents quickly tried to account 77 00:03:19,115 --> 00:03:22,118 for their loved ones. 78 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:27,707 {\an8}On June 12, 2006, Charla Mack, my best friend, 79 00:03:27,749 --> 00:03:30,210 {\an8}she was supposed to drop her daughter, Erika, off 80 00:03:30,251 --> 00:03:31,711 at her husband Darren's house 81 00:03:31,753 --> 00:03:33,296 and then come over to my house. 82 00:03:33,338 --> 00:03:36,675 And then she wasn't at my house. 83 00:03:36,716 --> 00:03:38,677 I knew something was wrong. 84 00:03:42,722 --> 00:03:45,350 Charla and I were stay-at-home moms together. 85 00:03:45,392 --> 00:03:47,310 She was mischievous. 86 00:03:47,352 --> 00:03:49,521 She loved a good little prank. 87 00:03:49,562 --> 00:03:52,107 She was a hard worker. 88 00:03:52,148 --> 00:03:54,609 She was stubborn. 89 00:03:54,651 --> 00:03:57,570 She had a shirt that said, 90 00:03:57,612 --> 00:03:59,489 "You laugh at me because I'm different. 91 00:03:59,531 --> 00:04:01,908 I laugh at you because you're all the same." 92 00:04:01,950 --> 00:04:05,745 And that was really kind of true to her nature. 93 00:04:05,787 --> 00:04:08,415 She didn't apologize for who she was. 94 00:04:08,456 --> 00:04:10,333 And what you saw was what you got. 95 00:04:14,587 --> 00:04:17,590 I was sitting in my house on the couch, 96 00:04:17,632 --> 00:04:20,635 and I got a phone call from a friend. 97 00:04:20,677 --> 00:04:24,097 And she said, "There's this stuff all on the news. 98 00:04:24,139 --> 00:04:26,683 "There's a judge that has been shot downtown. 99 00:04:26,725 --> 00:04:28,685 "Something's going on. 100 00:04:28,727 --> 00:04:30,937 This is all so crazy." 101 00:04:30,979 --> 00:04:35,150 When I heard the news about the judge being shot, 102 00:04:35,191 --> 00:04:38,528 Charla was supposed to be at my house, and she wasn't. 103 00:04:40,238 --> 00:04:42,991 I said, "Well, has anyone contacted Charla?" 104 00:04:43,033 --> 00:04:46,286 And my friend said, "I've been calling, 105 00:04:46,327 --> 00:04:49,581 but she's not picking up." 106 00:04:49,622 --> 00:04:52,876 I was very concerned about what might happen next. 107 00:04:55,045 --> 00:04:58,965 News traveled very quickly that a judge had been shot. 108 00:04:59,007 --> 00:05:01,134 Police department was flooded with information. 109 00:05:01,176 --> 00:05:03,803 But one of the things that came to the forefront 110 00:05:03,845 --> 00:05:06,806 of our attention was the call from an individual 111 00:05:06,848 --> 00:05:09,100 by the name of Dan Osborne, 112 00:05:09,142 --> 00:05:12,145 who had called 911. 113 00:05:12,187 --> 00:05:16,358 That morning, Dan Osborne was at his friend 114 00:05:16,399 --> 00:05:19,361 Darren Mack's residence in Fleur de Lis. 115 00:05:20,528 --> 00:05:23,531 {\an8}[soft dramatic music] 116 00:05:23,573 --> 00:05:26,993 {\an8}♪ ♪ 117 00:05:27,035 --> 00:05:28,203 Mr. Osborne was 118 00:05:28,244 --> 00:05:29,996 a high school friend of Darren Mack's. 119 00:05:30,038 --> 00:05:33,708 Mr. Osborne was in the process of establishing an apartment 120 00:05:33,750 --> 00:05:36,503 for himself in Reno but during the interim time 121 00:05:36,544 --> 00:05:38,713 had been living with Darren Mack. 122 00:05:40,048 --> 00:05:41,424 Darren Mack was very well known 123 00:05:41,466 --> 00:05:42,676 in the community of Reno. 124 00:05:42,717 --> 00:05:45,053 His family had long been established 125 00:05:45,095 --> 00:05:46,388 as business owners. 126 00:05:46,429 --> 00:05:48,056 They were very good to the community. 127 00:05:48,098 --> 00:05:49,391 They were a philanthropists. 128 00:05:49,432 --> 00:05:52,352 He owned 51% of the Palace Jewelry and Loan. 129 00:05:52,394 --> 00:05:53,853 {\an8}You owe it to yourself 130 00:05:53,895 --> 00:05:56,356 {\an8}to shop Palace Jewelry and Loan. 131 00:05:56,398 --> 00:05:58,525 [elegant music] 132 00:05:58,566 --> 00:06:00,610 It was one of the largest pawn shops, 133 00:06:00,652 --> 00:06:03,071 jewelry stores in downtown Reno. 134 00:06:03,113 --> 00:06:05,657 So that business generated quite a bit of income 135 00:06:05,699 --> 00:06:08,326 for the Mack family. 136 00:06:08,368 --> 00:06:12,372 Darren Mack became obsessed with bodybuilding. 137 00:06:12,414 --> 00:06:13,748 When he began bodybuilding, 138 00:06:13,790 --> 00:06:16,126 he took that to the extreme to the point 139 00:06:16,167 --> 00:06:18,795 where he wanted to compete at the Mr. Nevada competition 140 00:06:18,837 --> 00:06:23,049 and ultimately succeeded in that competition. 141 00:06:23,091 --> 00:06:27,721 Mr. Osborne said Mr. Mack's estranged wife, Charla Mack, 142 00:06:27,762 --> 00:06:29,723 had shown up to drop off their child, 143 00:06:29,764 --> 00:06:31,891 their daughter named Erika, 144 00:06:31,933 --> 00:06:33,893 that Dan Osborne went upstairs 145 00:06:33,935 --> 00:06:35,937 to watch television with the child. 146 00:06:37,897 --> 00:06:41,860 Mr. Osborne described hearing his dog, 147 00:06:41,901 --> 00:06:44,362 in a very agitated state, barking. 148 00:06:44,404 --> 00:06:45,905 [dog barking] 149 00:06:45,947 --> 00:06:48,867 And then Darren Mack walked through the living area 150 00:06:48,908 --> 00:06:50,577 of the house very quickly 151 00:06:50,618 --> 00:06:54,539 with a towel draped over his hand. 152 00:06:54,581 --> 00:06:58,460 And moments later, his dog ran into the home 153 00:06:58,501 --> 00:07:00,754 covered in blood. 154 00:07:00,795 --> 00:07:02,589 He examined the animal for injuries. 155 00:07:02,630 --> 00:07:04,341 There were none. 156 00:07:04,382 --> 00:07:07,302 He was concerned for Charla's welfare 157 00:07:07,344 --> 00:07:08,803 and his own welfare 158 00:07:08,845 --> 00:07:10,972 and the welfare of the child as well. 159 00:07:11,014 --> 00:07:14,517 So he collected Erika, and they left immediately. 160 00:07:14,559 --> 00:07:16,853 [tense music] 161 00:07:16,895 --> 00:07:18,938 As he thought about the circumstances 162 00:07:18,980 --> 00:07:21,608 that he had observed at Darren's house 163 00:07:21,649 --> 00:07:23,693 {\an8}and that a judge had been shot 164 00:07:23,735 --> 00:07:28,323 across town, he quickly became concerned. 165 00:07:28,365 --> 00:07:30,992 Investigators questioned if a violent act 166 00:07:31,034 --> 00:07:33,286 at the Mack residence could have escalated 167 00:07:33,328 --> 00:07:35,121 to the shooting downtown. 168 00:07:35,163 --> 00:07:38,291 They were unnerved by the next chilling detail. 169 00:07:38,333 --> 00:07:41,586 Mr. Mack had been actively practicing 170 00:07:41,628 --> 00:07:44,464 or training at distance rifle shooting. 171 00:07:44,506 --> 00:07:47,133 ♪ ♪ 172 00:07:47,175 --> 00:07:50,595 I got on the radio with my partner, Detective Chalmers, 173 00:07:50,637 --> 00:07:52,847 who was involved in the activities downtown, 174 00:07:52,889 --> 00:07:55,100 and he shared my concern. 175 00:07:55,141 --> 00:07:57,811 Detective Jenkins and I would frequently investigate crimes 176 00:07:57,852 --> 00:08:00,313 together, and he taught me a great amount 177 00:08:00,355 --> 00:08:03,108 about investigating homicides. 178 00:08:03,149 --> 00:08:05,235 Detective Jenkins called me and asked me 179 00:08:05,276 --> 00:08:07,529 to meet him at Darren Mack's residence 180 00:08:07,570 --> 00:08:10,448 at the Fleur de Lis townhomes. 181 00:08:10,490 --> 00:08:12,992 As soon as we pulled up in front of the townhome, 182 00:08:13,034 --> 00:08:15,078 we knocked at the door and got no answer. 183 00:08:16,413 --> 00:08:19,165 When we walked to the front of the residence 184 00:08:19,207 --> 00:08:22,168 in front of the driveway, our attention was drawn 185 00:08:22,210 --> 00:08:24,713 to what appeared to be 186 00:08:24,754 --> 00:08:28,341 substantial vertical blood droplets 187 00:08:28,383 --> 00:08:30,677 just outside the closed garage door 188 00:08:30,719 --> 00:08:33,680 of Mr. Mack's residence. 189 00:08:33,722 --> 00:08:37,559 Mr. Osborne, he told me that he knew the code 190 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,352 for the garage door opener. 191 00:08:39,394 --> 00:08:40,854 He entered the code. 192 00:08:40,895 --> 00:08:44,107 The garage door started to slowly open. 193 00:08:44,149 --> 00:08:48,069 And almost instantaneously, we were able to see 194 00:08:48,111 --> 00:08:51,990 the motionless body of Charla Mack 195 00:08:52,032 --> 00:08:56,202 lying in a large congealed pool of blood. 196 00:08:56,244 --> 00:08:58,872 Detective Jenkins was able to reach the body 197 00:08:58,913 --> 00:09:00,165 and check for signs of life, 198 00:09:00,206 --> 00:09:01,916 which, unfortunately, there were none. 199 00:09:05,045 --> 00:09:07,922 {\an8}One item appeared to be a to-do list. 200 00:09:07,964 --> 00:09:11,051 {\an8}He was afraid of what she was going to do to him. 201 00:09:11,092 --> 00:09:14,804 {\an8}There was an exhaustive manhunt. 202 00:09:14,846 --> 00:09:16,973 {\an8}It became about money and winning, 203 00:09:17,015 --> 00:09:18,224 {\an8}and this was a war. 204 00:09:27,108 --> 00:09:27,567 [tense music] 205 00:09:28,818 --> 00:09:30,195 There's this stuff all on the news. 206 00:09:30,236 --> 00:09:31,988 {\an8}There's a body at Fleur de Lis. 207 00:09:32,030 --> 00:09:34,491 {\an8}The body's a woman. 208 00:09:34,532 --> 00:09:39,162 {\an8}I got back in my car to go to Darren's house and-- 209 00:09:39,204 --> 00:09:43,583 {\an8}and find out what was going on when I got a phone call. 210 00:09:43,625 --> 00:09:46,461 I had a friend on the SWAT team. 211 00:09:46,503 --> 00:09:49,881 And he said, "It's Charla." 212 00:09:49,923 --> 00:09:53,009 ♪ ♪ 213 00:09:53,051 --> 00:09:55,053 I remember standing in my doorway 214 00:09:55,095 --> 00:09:57,263 just feeling like my knees were going to give out. 215 00:09:57,305 --> 00:10:00,517 [somber music] 216 00:10:00,558 --> 00:10:02,686 I just wish so badly that I would have 217 00:10:02,727 --> 00:10:04,145 been with her that morning, 218 00:10:04,187 --> 00:10:05,772 that I could have died for her. 219 00:10:05,814 --> 00:10:12,028 ♪ ♪ 220 00:10:12,070 --> 00:10:13,863 I don't know-- I don't understand 221 00:10:13,905 --> 00:10:16,908 why I got to live and she died, you know? 222 00:10:16,950 --> 00:10:20,286 A parent shouldn't outlive their child ever. 223 00:10:23,832 --> 00:10:26,292 We located seven distinct stab wounds 224 00:10:26,334 --> 00:10:28,712 to her body, the most severe being 225 00:10:28,753 --> 00:10:32,424 on the left side of her neck that severed her trachea. 226 00:10:32,465 --> 00:10:34,592 As chatter continued on the police scanner 227 00:10:34,634 --> 00:10:37,012 in the search for the shooter of Judge Weller, 228 00:10:37,053 --> 00:10:40,056 detectives pushed into this new crime scene, 229 00:10:40,098 --> 00:10:44,185 questioning how the two attacks could be related. 230 00:10:44,227 --> 00:10:48,898 In Darren Mack's closet was the empty sheath 231 00:10:48,940 --> 00:10:52,986 for a concealable double-edged knife. 232 00:10:53,028 --> 00:10:55,196 We believed that that instrument 233 00:10:55,238 --> 00:10:57,574 was likely the murder weapon. 234 00:10:57,615 --> 00:11:03,121 We located a rental agreement for a 2006 Ford Explorer. 235 00:11:03,163 --> 00:11:05,707 And we found ...243-caliber ammunition 236 00:11:05,749 --> 00:11:07,375 strewn about the home. 237 00:11:07,417 --> 00:11:09,294 One item that stood out 238 00:11:09,336 --> 00:11:11,296 were what appeared to be some handwritten notes 239 00:11:11,338 --> 00:11:13,965 often referred to as a to-do list. 240 00:11:14,007 --> 00:11:16,468 There's some specific references to vehicles. 241 00:11:16,509 --> 00:11:20,055 It says, "Put her vehicle in the garage" 242 00:11:20,096 --> 00:11:22,015 and then "parking garage." 243 00:11:22,057 --> 00:11:24,434 [tense music] 244 00:11:24,476 --> 00:11:27,270 And then, finally, "End problem." 245 00:11:27,312 --> 00:11:31,816 ♪ ♪ 246 00:11:31,858 --> 00:11:33,860 From an evidentiary standpoint, 247 00:11:33,902 --> 00:11:35,904 it seemed that there was, in fact, 248 00:11:35,945 --> 00:11:38,615 a nexus between Charla's murder 249 00:11:38,656 --> 00:11:39,991 and the shooting of Judge Weller. 250 00:11:40,033 --> 00:11:42,118 Investigators needed to know 251 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,037 how the shootings were connected 252 00:11:44,079 --> 00:11:45,955 and rushed to speak to Judge Weller 253 00:11:45,997 --> 00:11:48,458 as he struggled in critical condition. 254 00:11:56,758 --> 00:11:59,052 My name is Charles Weller. 255 00:11:59,094 --> 00:12:00,929 I was in my chambers 256 00:12:00,970 --> 00:12:03,973 {\an8}when the window in my office shattered. 257 00:12:04,015 --> 00:12:04,974 [gunshot] 258 00:12:05,016 --> 00:12:07,352 ♪ ♪ 259 00:12:07,394 --> 00:12:09,187 I was shot here. 260 00:12:09,229 --> 00:12:11,898 And I lay in a hallway bleeding 261 00:12:11,940 --> 00:12:14,943 as deputies administered first aid. 262 00:12:14,984 --> 00:12:17,028 It was terrible. 263 00:12:18,780 --> 00:12:21,157 We were aided tremendously by the fact 264 00:12:21,199 --> 00:12:23,118 that, although seriously injured, 265 00:12:23,159 --> 00:12:25,995 Judge Weller was able to provide information 266 00:12:26,037 --> 00:12:29,082 almost immediately to law enforcement 267 00:12:29,124 --> 00:12:31,334 whether or not he knew Darren Mack. 268 00:12:31,376 --> 00:12:34,504 At that time, more damning evidence 269 00:12:34,546 --> 00:12:38,133 of Mr. Mack's involvement came to light. 270 00:12:40,135 --> 00:12:41,553 I was the judge to whom 271 00:12:41,594 --> 00:12:45,348 the Mack divorce case was assigned. 272 00:12:45,390 --> 00:12:49,019 This is the case of Charla Mack versus Darren Mack. 273 00:12:49,060 --> 00:12:51,980 The information from Judge Weller 274 00:12:52,022 --> 00:12:53,606 was that this was 275 00:12:53,648 --> 00:12:57,694 a very acrimonious divorce proceeding. 276 00:12:57,736 --> 00:13:00,155 It became about money and winning. 277 00:13:00,196 --> 00:13:03,366 That's not people that are trying to resolve something. 278 00:13:03,408 --> 00:13:05,035 Those are people that are battling. 279 00:13:05,076 --> 00:13:06,911 And this was a war. 280 00:13:08,747 --> 00:13:10,832 [somber music] 281 00:13:10,874 --> 00:13:13,710 I had never seen him so happy, 282 00:13:13,752 --> 00:13:17,964 and Charla equally seemed to be in love with Darren. 283 00:13:18,006 --> 00:13:20,967 They would always go on big trips and vacations, 284 00:13:21,009 --> 00:13:22,927 just a lot of privileges of wealth. 285 00:13:22,969 --> 00:13:28,558 But things start unraveling, none of that really matters. 286 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,354 ♪ ♪ 287 00:13:32,395 --> 00:13:34,272 It really upset her that he'd want to stay out 288 00:13:34,314 --> 00:13:35,523 till, like, 4:00 in the morning, 289 00:13:35,565 --> 00:13:37,984 wanting to go out to strip clubs. 290 00:13:38,026 --> 00:13:40,904 And so it was just drama, drama, drama. 291 00:13:40,945 --> 00:13:44,949 After ten years of marriage, Charla Mack filed for divorce, 292 00:13:44,991 --> 00:13:46,743 and the couple separated 293 00:13:46,785 --> 00:13:50,538 as Darren moved into his own townhome. 294 00:13:50,580 --> 00:13:53,792 During the divorce, it was ugly. 295 00:13:53,833 --> 00:13:55,460 My client is broke. 296 00:13:55,502 --> 00:13:57,921 She's been--finances have been used against her 297 00:13:57,962 --> 00:13:59,422 for over a year now. 298 00:13:59,464 --> 00:14:01,758 She's had to borrow 36,000 just to survive. 299 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:05,261 He lies over and over and over again on this thing. 300 00:14:05,303 --> 00:14:08,181 He gets so angry and so revved up 301 00:14:08,223 --> 00:14:10,100 that I just don't feel comfortable right now. 302 00:14:10,141 --> 00:14:12,102 [tense music] 303 00:14:12,143 --> 00:14:14,604 I regret being forced to make a decision here. 304 00:14:14,646 --> 00:14:17,107 I can only pick one side or the other, 305 00:14:17,148 --> 00:14:19,192 and one of you has to lose. 306 00:14:19,234 --> 00:14:22,612 And so here goes. 307 00:14:22,654 --> 00:14:26,116 Judge Weller ordered Mr. Mack to pay, 308 00:14:26,157 --> 00:14:28,493 in total, almost $1 million. 309 00:14:30,412 --> 00:14:32,997 That included a lump sum of over $400,000 310 00:14:33,039 --> 00:14:35,542 that Charla was to purchase a home and a car with, 311 00:14:35,583 --> 00:14:38,378 and then there was alimony support on top of that 312 00:14:38,420 --> 00:14:40,505 in excess of $10,000 a month. 313 00:14:43,758 --> 00:14:46,803 He was used to being successful and powerful 314 00:14:46,845 --> 00:14:48,263 and in control. 315 00:14:48,304 --> 00:14:52,183 And in this situation, he was none of those things. 316 00:14:52,225 --> 00:14:54,477 I was informed by someone I knew 317 00:14:54,519 --> 00:14:56,813 in a fathers' rights organization 318 00:14:56,855 --> 00:15:01,026 {\an8}that Darren Mack was posting terrible allegations about me 319 00:15:01,067 --> 00:15:02,694 {\an8}and about family court. 320 00:15:02,736 --> 00:15:08,575 {\an8}Judge Weller started wielding his iron mallet 321 00:15:08,616 --> 00:15:11,077 {\an8}and started threatening me with jail. 322 00:15:11,119 --> 00:15:13,496 {\an8}There's many, many, many like myself 323 00:15:13,538 --> 00:15:17,500 {\an8}that have been fallen prey to his tyranny 324 00:15:17,542 --> 00:15:20,170 {\an8}and his abuse. 325 00:15:20,211 --> 00:15:22,297 It made me feel threatened. 326 00:15:24,716 --> 00:15:26,259 When I became a family court judge, 327 00:15:26,301 --> 00:15:29,346 I wanted parties to feel as comfortable as possible. 328 00:15:29,387 --> 00:15:32,724 And so with my first meeting with litigants, 329 00:15:32,766 --> 00:15:37,395 I held that meeting in chambers rather than the courtroom. 330 00:15:37,437 --> 00:15:41,858 As a result, Mr. Mack knew where my chambers were. 331 00:15:41,900 --> 00:15:47,280 ♪ ♪ 332 00:15:47,322 --> 00:15:48,865 Darren had called 333 00:15:48,907 --> 00:15:50,742 days before he was supposed to write her a big check. 334 00:15:50,784 --> 00:15:52,369 He asked to talk to her 335 00:15:52,410 --> 00:15:55,705 when she was dropping off Erika. 336 00:15:55,747 --> 00:15:57,999 She didn't understand because they'd already been 337 00:15:58,041 --> 00:15:59,042 to court with Judge Weller. 338 00:15:59,084 --> 00:16:00,877 Everything was settled. 339 00:16:00,919 --> 00:16:02,671 Darren begged her. 340 00:16:02,712 --> 00:16:04,964 He said, you know, "You've got to come. 341 00:16:05,006 --> 00:16:06,007 "It's really important. 342 00:16:06,049 --> 00:16:07,884 I've got to talk to you." 343 00:16:07,926 --> 00:16:09,135 They presented to me 344 00:16:09,177 --> 00:16:12,555 that their interactions were dangerous. 345 00:16:12,597 --> 00:16:14,766 And so I ordered that when they made 346 00:16:14,808 --> 00:16:17,435 their weekly exchanges, 347 00:16:17,477 --> 00:16:19,938 the person dropping off the child 348 00:16:19,979 --> 00:16:21,398 would stay in the car 349 00:16:21,439 --> 00:16:26,027 while the child walked from car to home. 350 00:16:26,069 --> 00:16:30,281 I issued that order so that the parties would be safe. 351 00:16:31,825 --> 00:16:34,411 She said, "I don't know what he really wants, 352 00:16:34,452 --> 00:16:36,871 "and I am scared to death to do it. 353 00:16:36,913 --> 00:16:39,791 I just have a bad feeling." 354 00:16:41,209 --> 00:16:43,336 But she did it. 355 00:16:45,088 --> 00:16:48,425 I really believe that money was the main issue. 356 00:16:48,466 --> 00:16:52,262 Mr. Mack really did not want to lose his money. 357 00:16:52,303 --> 00:16:54,055 He really did not want to give it to Charla. 358 00:16:54,097 --> 00:16:57,767 {\an8}Judge Weller was that vehicle for Charla Mack 359 00:16:57,809 --> 00:17:00,186 {\an8}to receive the money from Darren Mack, 360 00:17:00,228 --> 00:17:05,567 {\an8}and he held that Judge Weller personally and as the system 361 00:17:05,608 --> 00:17:09,904 was responsible for that loss of finance. 362 00:17:09,946 --> 00:17:11,948 Included in the ammunition that we located 363 00:17:11,990 --> 00:17:14,367 in Mr. Mack's residence matched the caliber 364 00:17:14,409 --> 00:17:16,786 of the projectile that struck Judge Weller. 365 00:17:22,167 --> 00:17:23,668 {\an8}So about 2:00 in the morning, 366 00:17:23,710 --> 00:17:26,463 an arrest warrant was authorized for Darren Mack 367 00:17:26,504 --> 00:17:28,381 for the murder of Charla Mack. 368 00:17:29,716 --> 00:17:32,844 He was on the loose, so I was concerned. 369 00:17:32,886 --> 00:17:34,888 Normal life stopped. 370 00:17:34,929 --> 00:17:38,683 And local law enforcement provided security 371 00:17:38,725 --> 00:17:42,228 at the hospital for me and my family. 372 00:17:42,270 --> 00:17:47,525 We had good, strong evidence that his cell phone had been 373 00:17:47,567 --> 00:17:51,279 turned on and was pinging onto Interstate 80 374 00:17:51,321 --> 00:17:52,822 and westbound out of Reno 375 00:17:52,864 --> 00:17:55,575 before we lost contact with it. 376 00:17:55,617 --> 00:17:58,286 So the indication was that Mack had, 377 00:17:58,328 --> 00:18:00,622 in fact, fled to California. 378 00:18:00,663 --> 00:18:04,876 And past that, we had no idea where he might have gone. 379 00:18:17,013 --> 00:18:17,972 {\an8}Darren Mack was the sole suspect 380 00:18:18,932 --> 00:18:20,558 {\an8}in the shooting of Judge Weller 381 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,269 {\an8}and the murder of his estranged wife, Charla. 382 00:18:23,311 --> 00:18:26,106 {\an8}But no one could find him. 383 00:18:26,147 --> 00:18:28,858 I wanted to believe that he didn't do this, 384 00:18:28,900 --> 00:18:31,444 that there was some reasonable explanation. 385 00:18:31,486 --> 00:18:33,863 But he disappeared and was at large. 386 00:18:35,448 --> 00:18:36,866 After the shooting, 387 00:18:36,908 --> 00:18:38,410 there was 388 00:18:38,451 --> 00:18:39,661 an exhaustive manhunt 389 00:18:39,703 --> 00:18:41,996 {\an8}involving local, state, 390 00:18:42,038 --> 00:18:45,500 {\an8}federal law enforcement agencies to locate Mr. Mack. 391 00:18:45,542 --> 00:18:47,210 {\an8}[dramatic music] 392 00:18:47,252 --> 00:18:49,587 {\an8}The media was covering the attack in Reno, 393 00:18:49,629 --> 00:18:50,964 {\an8}and his picture was included. 394 00:18:52,674 --> 00:18:55,260 {\an8}Darren Mack, he's 45 years old, 5'11", 395 00:18:55,301 --> 00:18:56,553 close to 200 pounds, 396 00:18:56,594 --> 00:18:58,972 driving a silver 2006 Ford Explorer. 397 00:18:59,014 --> 00:19:03,643 If you have seen Mack or his car, call the police. 398 00:19:03,685 --> 00:19:07,022 We received a telephone call from a ticket agent 399 00:19:07,063 --> 00:19:08,648 at the Sacramento airport. 400 00:19:08,690 --> 00:19:11,067 Mr. Mack had been there at her counter. 401 00:19:11,109 --> 00:19:13,111 And when she asked for identification, 402 00:19:13,153 --> 00:19:16,740 he refused and left without getting a ticket. 403 00:19:16,781 --> 00:19:18,450 Exhaustive efforts were made to search 404 00:19:18,491 --> 00:19:20,326 the Sacramento airport. 405 00:19:20,368 --> 00:19:25,832 It was likely that he had left the airport in his car. 406 00:19:28,335 --> 00:19:29,627 It was on the news all the time. 407 00:19:29,669 --> 00:19:31,463 Nobody knew where he was. 408 00:19:31,504 --> 00:19:33,465 It had all of the trappings 409 00:19:33,506 --> 00:19:36,634 that made it attractive for the national 410 00:19:36,676 --> 00:19:39,137 and even the international media. 411 00:19:39,179 --> 00:19:41,389 It was "Dateline" and "48 Hours" 412 00:19:41,431 --> 00:19:43,391 and in the news and the newspaper. 413 00:19:43,433 --> 00:19:46,728 It was constant. 414 00:19:46,770 --> 00:19:49,481 While investigators searched for Darren Mack, 415 00:19:49,522 --> 00:19:52,817 his eight-year-old daughter, Erika, was placed in the care 416 00:19:52,859 --> 00:19:56,279 of Darren's mother, Joan. 417 00:19:56,321 --> 00:19:58,156 His mother, Joan, she'd already gotten 418 00:19:58,198 --> 00:20:00,158 temporary custody by social services. 419 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:04,204 And so I was terrified that he would sneak in 420 00:20:04,245 --> 00:20:07,290 and try to grab Erika. 421 00:20:07,332 --> 00:20:10,919 As long as Mr. Mack remained a fugitive, 422 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,797 there was reasonable apprehension 423 00:20:13,838 --> 00:20:16,591 that things might not end well, 424 00:20:16,633 --> 00:20:18,968 that Mr. Mack would use violence 425 00:20:19,010 --> 00:20:20,720 to avoid responsibility, 426 00:20:20,762 --> 00:20:23,515 to perhaps harm himself. 427 00:20:23,556 --> 00:20:25,392 I was afraid for his life. 428 00:20:25,433 --> 00:20:28,103 I wanted him to come back and be responsible 429 00:20:28,144 --> 00:20:30,689 because the Darren I knew would be responsible. 430 00:20:35,276 --> 00:20:38,488 So we enlisted members of the community, 431 00:20:38,530 --> 00:20:41,700 friends of Mr. Mack's, to make public appeals 432 00:20:41,741 --> 00:20:45,161 asking Mr. Mack to surrender himself. 433 00:20:45,203 --> 00:20:47,914 {\an8}And I'm begging him that if he hears this, 434 00:20:47,956 --> 00:20:52,210 {\an8}if he's listening to this, to please contact us. 435 00:20:52,252 --> 00:20:53,545 {\an8}He knows he could trust us. 436 00:20:53,586 --> 00:20:55,505 {\an8}We will do anything to help him. 437 00:20:55,547 --> 00:20:57,090 {\an8}We want to save his life. 438 00:20:58,925 --> 00:21:00,969 We were inundated with tips. 439 00:21:01,011 --> 00:21:04,556 But one tip in specific really stood out to us was, 440 00:21:04,597 --> 00:21:07,183 an airline pilot had flown from Mexico 441 00:21:07,225 --> 00:21:10,270 back to the United States, seen the media coverage, 442 00:21:10,311 --> 00:21:12,230 and felt confident he had seen Mr. Mack 443 00:21:12,272 --> 00:21:15,066 at a resort in Mexico. 444 00:21:15,108 --> 00:21:17,318 The FBI and Mexican authorities 445 00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:20,071 worked in connection to establish checkpoints 446 00:21:20,113 --> 00:21:22,657 in and around Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, 447 00:21:22,699 --> 00:21:25,660 searching hotels and buses in an attempt 448 00:21:25,702 --> 00:21:28,371 to track down Darren Mack. 449 00:21:28,413 --> 00:21:32,125 He must have felt the walls closing in around him. 450 00:21:32,167 --> 00:21:35,086 {\an8}[tense music] 451 00:21:35,128 --> 00:21:37,005 {\an8}♪ ♪ 452 00:21:37,047 --> 00:21:39,924 Darren made telephone communications 453 00:21:39,966 --> 00:21:42,927 with the Washoe County district attorney at the time. 454 00:21:42,969 --> 00:21:46,556 {\an8}He wanted, in my opinion, to try and sweeten the deal, 455 00:21:46,598 --> 00:21:48,641 {\an8}if you will, for his return. 456 00:21:50,268 --> 00:21:52,937 Included in Mr. Mack's demands to surrender, 457 00:21:52,979 --> 00:21:54,731 he demanded to speak to the media 458 00:21:54,773 --> 00:21:56,191 and talk about what he perceived 459 00:21:56,232 --> 00:21:58,276 were the injustices of the family court system 460 00:21:58,318 --> 00:21:59,527 and Judge Weller. 461 00:21:59,569 --> 00:22:01,946 He also wanted to have a jail cell 462 00:22:01,988 --> 00:22:05,742 with certain books and access to the internet. 463 00:22:05,784 --> 00:22:08,828 I think he was trying to use his status 464 00:22:08,870 --> 00:22:13,083 as a fugitive to give him a greater audience. 465 00:22:13,124 --> 00:22:14,834 He also wanted the death penalty. 466 00:22:14,876 --> 00:22:17,379 I believe that he saw himself as a martyr 467 00:22:17,420 --> 00:22:21,299 for the fathers who are in the family court system. 468 00:22:21,341 --> 00:22:23,968 On June 21, 2006, 469 00:22:24,010 --> 00:22:26,346 after nearly ten days on the run, 470 00:22:26,388 --> 00:22:28,765 Darren Mack agreed to surrender himself 471 00:22:28,807 --> 00:22:30,642 to authorities at the consulate 472 00:22:30,684 --> 00:22:33,269 at Puerto Vallarta, Mexico. 473 00:22:33,311 --> 00:22:36,731 Even though he claimed that he wanted to turn himself in, 474 00:22:36,773 --> 00:22:39,526 set up a turnover, Mr. Mack didn't show. 475 00:22:40,860 --> 00:22:43,655 {\an8}He failed to surrender as promised. 476 00:22:43,697 --> 00:22:46,282 {\an8}Desperate people sometimes say things 477 00:22:46,324 --> 00:22:47,992 {\an8}and then change their mind. 478 00:22:48,034 --> 00:22:49,619 {\an8}If he does call me back again, 479 00:22:49,661 --> 00:22:50,704 {\an8}we're going to have a little discussion 480 00:22:50,745 --> 00:22:51,830 {\an8}about his credibility 481 00:22:51,871 --> 00:22:53,331 {\an8}and just where we go from there. 482 00:22:53,373 --> 00:22:56,251 ♪ ♪ 483 00:22:56,292 --> 00:23:00,255 It was so stressful for all those involved. 484 00:23:00,296 --> 00:23:02,298 There were three families-- his family 485 00:23:02,340 --> 00:23:05,051 and Charla's family and Judge Weller's family-- 486 00:23:05,093 --> 00:23:09,764 who are living this nightmare while all this tactical stuff 487 00:23:09,806 --> 00:23:12,225 was going on in the background 488 00:23:12,267 --> 00:23:16,396 and really couldn't even begin, in my view, to grieve 489 00:23:16,438 --> 00:23:20,191 because of this maelstrom being created to serve Darren Mack. 490 00:23:23,778 --> 00:23:25,989 {\an8}We're here to provide an update and information 491 00:23:26,031 --> 00:23:28,908 on the arrest of Darren Mack. 492 00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:30,994 Darren Roy Mack was apprehended 493 00:23:31,036 --> 00:23:32,787 in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, 494 00:23:32,829 --> 00:23:35,832 one day after he failed to meet a commitment he made 495 00:23:35,874 --> 00:23:37,917 to the Washoe County district attorney 496 00:23:37,959 --> 00:23:41,796 and to the Reno Police Department to turn himself in. 497 00:23:41,838 --> 00:23:43,882 It had been a very long week and a half. 498 00:23:43,923 --> 00:23:45,800 I literally could not take a shower 499 00:23:45,842 --> 00:23:47,969 without my phone ringing two or three times. 500 00:23:48,011 --> 00:23:49,220 I was very relieved to know 501 00:23:49,262 --> 00:23:51,056 that he was taken into custody. 502 00:23:51,097 --> 00:23:53,058 ♪ ♪ 503 00:23:53,099 --> 00:23:55,894 I was pleased when he was apprehended. 504 00:23:55,935 --> 00:24:00,774 Law enforcement told us that we were free to go home. 505 00:24:00,815 --> 00:24:02,317 I was driving when I found out. 506 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,445 I got a phone call saying, "They got him." 507 00:24:05,487 --> 00:24:06,446 [camera shutter clicks] 508 00:24:06,488 --> 00:24:07,489 I pulled over. 509 00:24:07,530 --> 00:24:09,074 I pulled over and cried. 510 00:24:09,115 --> 00:24:12,160 It was a lot, a lot of emotion 511 00:24:12,202 --> 00:24:14,579 and a lot of, "So now what do we do? 512 00:24:25,173 --> 00:24:27,050 {\an8}[dramatic sting] 513 00:24:34,182 --> 00:24:36,976 {\an8}Mr. Mack's extradition process was streamlined 514 00:24:37,018 --> 00:24:40,021 {\an8}by his defense attorneys. 515 00:24:40,063 --> 00:24:43,441 {\an8}When taken into custody, Darren Mack still had 516 00:24:43,483 --> 00:24:46,569 {\an8}a substantial amount of money. 517 00:24:46,611 --> 00:24:48,196 {\an8}$40,000 in cash. 518 00:24:48,238 --> 00:24:50,073 {\an8}I remember thinking, Mr. Mack complained 519 00:24:50,115 --> 00:24:51,574 {\an8}that he didn't have enough money to make 520 00:24:51,616 --> 00:24:55,328 {\an8}temporary support to Charla of $10,000 a month, 521 00:24:55,370 --> 00:24:58,373 and yet, on a moment's notice, put together 40 grand in cash 522 00:24:58,415 --> 00:25:01,793 pretty easily to take it to Mexico. 523 00:25:01,835 --> 00:25:04,337 In addition, Mr. Mack had the benefit 524 00:25:04,379 --> 00:25:09,426 of the finest legal defense in the country. 525 00:25:09,467 --> 00:25:12,637 I mean, he hired two of the preeminent defense attorneys, 526 00:25:12,679 --> 00:25:14,055 certainly in the state of Nevada 527 00:25:14,097 --> 00:25:16,016 and probably on the West Coast, 528 00:25:16,057 --> 00:25:18,184 Scott Freeman and David Chesnoff. 529 00:25:18,226 --> 00:25:21,521 I'm sure their fee exceeded a million dollars. 530 00:25:21,563 --> 00:25:25,900 I was most curious to see what the defense was going to be. 531 00:25:33,366 --> 00:25:36,202 Mr. Mack was charged with Charla's murder 532 00:25:36,244 --> 00:25:37,996 and the attempted murder of Judge Weller 533 00:25:38,038 --> 00:25:41,374 and pled not guilty. 534 00:25:41,416 --> 00:25:43,418 I wasn't surprised when he first entered pleas 535 00:25:43,460 --> 00:25:44,502 of not guilty. 536 00:25:44,544 --> 00:25:45,920 I knew, at the outset, he would angle 537 00:25:45,962 --> 00:25:47,839 for the best deal he could get. 538 00:25:49,549 --> 00:25:52,594 Based on all of the physical evidence, 539 00:25:52,635 --> 00:25:58,725 Mr. Mack's legal representation had very few viable defenses. 540 00:25:59,434 --> 00:26:01,853 We got his shoes that had blood spatter on them 541 00:26:01,895 --> 00:26:03,772 that came back to Charla. 542 00:26:03,813 --> 00:26:06,900 Evidence of his physical presence at the crime scene 543 00:26:06,941 --> 00:26:10,278 was so overwhelming that I don't know 544 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,739 what other options realistically 545 00:26:12,781 --> 00:26:14,991 Mr. Mack had to pursue. 546 00:26:15,033 --> 00:26:19,496 Self-defense is at least a viable legal defense. 547 00:26:20,914 --> 00:26:22,874 It's ludicrous to me. 548 00:26:22,916 --> 00:26:24,584 The only fear that he had of her 549 00:26:24,626 --> 00:26:27,337 was her taking his money. 550 00:26:31,466 --> 00:26:33,593 {\an8}In order to find impartial jurors, 551 00:26:33,635 --> 00:26:35,804 {\an8}the trial was moved to Las Vegas. 552 00:26:35,845 --> 00:26:41,101 And on October 24, 2007, all eyes were on Darren Mack 553 00:26:41,142 --> 00:26:43,019 as the state delivered its case 554 00:26:43,061 --> 00:26:44,979 in the murder of Charla Mack 555 00:26:45,021 --> 00:26:47,565 and in the shooting of Judge Weller. 556 00:26:47,607 --> 00:26:49,484 What made the Mack divorce different, 557 00:26:49,526 --> 00:26:52,862 if there was a difference, was the amount of money involved. 558 00:26:52,904 --> 00:26:55,323 The prosecution detailed in their opening statement 559 00:26:55,365 --> 00:27:00,286 that what motivated this murder was Mr. Mack's displeasure 560 00:27:00,328 --> 00:27:01,788 with the money that he was going to be 561 00:27:01,830 --> 00:27:05,125 forced to pay in the divorce. 562 00:27:05,166 --> 00:27:06,960 One of the main points of contention 563 00:27:07,002 --> 00:27:08,753 during the divorce was Darren Mack's income. 564 00:27:08,795 --> 00:27:11,631 He owned 51% of Palace Jewelry and Loan. 565 00:27:11,673 --> 00:27:13,758 Midway through the divorce, he transferred 566 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,468 ownership back to his mother. 567 00:27:15,510 --> 00:27:20,181 He claimed to be making $44,000 a month prior to the divorce. 568 00:27:20,223 --> 00:27:21,933 And then midway through the divorce, 569 00:27:21,975 --> 00:27:23,643 he filed papers saying he was simply an employee 570 00:27:23,685 --> 00:27:26,479 {\an8}making a $5,000 a month salary. 571 00:27:26,521 --> 00:27:28,481 {\an8}Judge Weller could see very clearly 572 00:27:28,523 --> 00:27:30,483 {\an8}through the games Darren Mack was playing 573 00:27:30,525 --> 00:27:32,444 {\an8}that he was trying to hide income. 574 00:27:32,485 --> 00:27:34,446 He believed the system was unconstitutional. 575 00:27:34,487 --> 00:27:36,489 Judge Weller was being unfair to him. 576 00:27:36,531 --> 00:27:39,826 The defendant's frustration and anger grew. 577 00:27:39,868 --> 00:27:41,202 Darren Mack had a problem. 578 00:27:41,244 --> 00:27:43,580 He found a solution to his problem. 579 00:27:43,621 --> 00:27:47,000 Darren Mack ambushed his soon-to-be ex-wife 580 00:27:47,042 --> 00:27:48,293 with a knife. 581 00:27:48,335 --> 00:27:50,962 And her death was neither sudden nor painless. 582 00:27:51,004 --> 00:27:53,340 It was personal. 583 00:27:53,381 --> 00:27:55,967 It becomes clear in the opening statements 584 00:27:56,009 --> 00:27:59,721 that the defense is going to run a defense on two paths, 585 00:27:59,763 --> 00:28:02,474 because, remember, there were two crime scenes 586 00:28:02,515 --> 00:28:04,351 and two victims. 587 00:28:04,392 --> 00:28:07,187 To the killing of Charla and in support 588 00:28:07,228 --> 00:28:09,981 of this self-defense theory came a claim 589 00:28:10,023 --> 00:28:12,233 of Charla's violent tendencies, 590 00:28:12,275 --> 00:28:13,777 that she had been physically violent. 591 00:28:13,818 --> 00:28:16,738 Darren was not aware of the dark side of Charla 592 00:28:16,780 --> 00:28:17,906 prior to marriage. 593 00:28:17,947 --> 00:28:19,824 He also was not aware of her ability 594 00:28:19,866 --> 00:28:21,493 to be physically violent 595 00:28:21,534 --> 00:28:24,079 and physically abusive towards Darren. 596 00:28:25,705 --> 00:28:28,291 The hardest part was listening 597 00:28:28,333 --> 00:28:30,377 to Darren's defense attorneys 598 00:28:30,418 --> 00:28:33,338 talk about how horrible Charla was. 599 00:28:33,380 --> 00:28:35,215 You know, I mean, she wasn't an angel, 600 00:28:35,256 --> 00:28:39,010 but she definitely wasn't what they depicted her to be. 601 00:28:39,052 --> 00:28:41,304 Mr. Mack claimed that he had been 602 00:28:41,346 --> 00:28:43,640 the victim of many incidents as a domestic battery, 603 00:28:43,682 --> 00:28:45,809 and especially in one incident that Charla Mack, 604 00:28:45,850 --> 00:28:47,268 in a fit of rage, had kicked him 605 00:28:47,310 --> 00:28:50,855 and broken his finger at a karate practice. 606 00:28:50,897 --> 00:28:52,774 Darren and Charla were very passionate. 607 00:28:52,816 --> 00:28:54,567 They loved and fought. 608 00:28:54,609 --> 00:28:58,697 And nobody pushes your buttons like your spouse. 609 00:28:58,738 --> 00:29:00,907 {\an8}And she was not immune to that. 610 00:29:00,949 --> 00:29:02,951 {\an8}She gave as good as she got. 611 00:29:04,536 --> 00:29:06,204 She would call me and tell me how-- 612 00:29:06,246 --> 00:29:08,915 the different ways that she talked back to him, 613 00:29:08,957 --> 00:29:10,667 mocking him at times. 614 00:29:10,709 --> 00:29:13,461 And I think that she just infuriated him. 615 00:29:15,422 --> 00:29:17,674 During the investigation, we learned 616 00:29:17,716 --> 00:29:21,344 that Darren Mack had been accused of violence 617 00:29:21,386 --> 00:29:23,972 in their relationship. 618 00:29:24,014 --> 00:29:26,766 Law enforcement was called to the Mack mansion 619 00:29:26,808 --> 00:29:30,270 where both parties alleged domestic abuse. 620 00:29:30,311 --> 00:29:32,939 Charla did call me and tell me he choked her, 621 00:29:32,981 --> 00:29:34,107 and she was really scared. 622 00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:36,609 She was sobbing on the phone. 623 00:29:36,651 --> 00:29:38,486 Charla Mack was a very small woman. 624 00:29:38,528 --> 00:29:41,031 Darren Mack was a large bodybuilding male. 625 00:29:41,072 --> 00:29:44,117 But he claimed that Charla Mack had been the primary aggressor 626 00:29:44,159 --> 00:29:46,202 and that he was the victim. 627 00:29:46,244 --> 00:29:47,954 You see, ladies and gentlemen, 628 00:29:47,996 --> 00:29:50,498 Charla has a pattern of behavior. 629 00:29:50,540 --> 00:29:53,543 Some call it borderline personality disorder. 630 00:29:53,585 --> 00:29:57,088 She could be kind and giving in public. 631 00:29:57,130 --> 00:30:00,050 She could be violent and abusive at home. 632 00:30:00,091 --> 00:30:02,510 It was too much for Darren to take. 633 00:30:02,552 --> 00:30:04,304 The defense claimed that Darren started 634 00:30:04,346 --> 00:30:06,222 carrying a gun on his person 635 00:30:06,264 --> 00:30:10,352 when he had interactions with Mrs. Mack. 636 00:30:10,393 --> 00:30:12,437 He was claiming he was afraid 637 00:30:12,479 --> 00:30:14,814 of what she was going to do to him. 638 00:30:14,856 --> 00:30:18,109 The defense said that Charla had been so horrific 639 00:30:18,151 --> 00:30:20,236 that it just wore on Darren 640 00:30:20,278 --> 00:30:22,364 and wore on Darren like a rubber band. 641 00:30:31,706 --> 00:30:32,165 {\an8}[somber music] 642 00:30:34,668 --> 00:30:37,295 {\an8}♪ ♪ 643 00:30:37,337 --> 00:30:40,465 This was our Montessori school's auction. 644 00:30:40,507 --> 00:30:42,634 We were a little bit of the Three Musketeers, you know? 645 00:30:42,676 --> 00:30:45,428 And honestly, I felt like we were just getting started. 646 00:30:45,470 --> 00:30:47,472 So I wanted to be at the trial every day. 647 00:30:47,514 --> 00:30:49,432 I know you couldn't go. 648 00:30:49,474 --> 00:30:51,810 It was quite the event just to sit there every day 649 00:30:51,851 --> 00:30:55,897 and listen to all these things, all these lies, all these-- 650 00:30:55,939 --> 00:30:57,941 Did you hear things that were disturbing 651 00:30:57,982 --> 00:30:59,150 that you didn't know? 652 00:30:59,192 --> 00:31:00,318 I didn't hear a lot I didn't know, 653 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,029 but I heard a lot I didn't believe. 654 00:31:03,822 --> 00:31:08,368 {\an8}On October 24, 2007, Darren Mack's attorneys 655 00:31:08,410 --> 00:31:10,161 presented in their opening statements 656 00:31:10,203 --> 00:31:11,788 what they claim happened 657 00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:15,083 on the morning of June 12, 2006. 658 00:31:15,125 --> 00:31:17,794 Charla was supposed to bring Erika over at about 9:00, 659 00:31:17,836 --> 00:31:21,006 but Charla also wanted to discuss 660 00:31:21,047 --> 00:31:22,298 settling the divorce. 661 00:31:22,340 --> 00:31:24,342 Darren's attorneys would say 662 00:31:24,384 --> 00:31:26,553 {\an8}that Darren brought a knife and a gun 663 00:31:26,594 --> 00:31:28,847 {\an8}to this meeting with Charla. 664 00:31:28,888 --> 00:31:31,641 Darren said she walked up to him 665 00:31:31,683 --> 00:31:34,144 and slapped him across the face and said, 666 00:31:34,185 --> 00:31:36,229 "Darren, give me my money." 667 00:31:36,271 --> 00:31:39,357 "Darren, drop the appeal," says Charla. 668 00:31:39,399 --> 00:31:41,484 'Make your mother pay me. 669 00:31:41,526 --> 00:31:44,654 You know you owe me what I deserve." 670 00:31:44,696 --> 00:31:46,156 As they're having an argument, 671 00:31:46,197 --> 00:31:47,490 she hits him on the head, 672 00:31:47,532 --> 00:31:49,951 causing the gun to fall out of his pants. 673 00:31:49,993 --> 00:31:54,998 Charla looks at the gun, pulls the hammer back, 674 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,168 smiles, and fires. 675 00:31:58,209 --> 00:31:59,753 But it misfires. 676 00:31:59,794 --> 00:32:02,213 Darren thinks he's been shot. He's not. 677 00:32:02,255 --> 00:32:04,507 Charla starts to cock the hammer again. 678 00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:06,843 Darren knew he was going to die. 679 00:32:06,885 --> 00:32:10,347 So he's forced to stab her to death. 680 00:32:10,388 --> 00:32:13,224 He acted in self-defense. 681 00:32:13,266 --> 00:32:16,019 But an autopsy was performed on Charla Mack's body, 682 00:32:16,061 --> 00:32:18,772 {\an8}and she had several defensive injuries-- 683 00:32:18,813 --> 00:32:21,399 {\an8}a stab wound to her calf, very consistent 684 00:32:21,441 --> 00:32:22,942 {\an8}with somebody who's on the ground, 685 00:32:22,984 --> 00:32:24,444 {\an8}kicking at her attacker. 686 00:32:24,486 --> 00:32:26,363 {\an8}She also had defensive wounds to her hands 687 00:32:26,404 --> 00:32:27,739 {\an8}and to her forearms as she was trying 688 00:32:27,781 --> 00:32:32,744 {\an8}to parry off those stabbing blows. 689 00:32:32,786 --> 00:32:35,580 With the physical evidence on their side, 690 00:32:35,622 --> 00:32:38,875 prosecutors made their case against Darren Mack 691 00:32:38,917 --> 00:32:41,711 for the shooting of Judge Weller. 692 00:32:41,753 --> 00:32:44,089 After he actually followed through 693 00:32:44,130 --> 00:32:45,382 with killing Charla Mack, 694 00:32:45,423 --> 00:32:47,050 I believe that he fully intended 695 00:32:47,092 --> 00:32:52,263 to drive to the parking garage to try to kill Judge Weller. 696 00:32:52,305 --> 00:32:53,556 During the trial, 697 00:32:53,598 --> 00:32:56,559 they showed video footage of Darren 698 00:32:56,601 --> 00:33:00,355 driving a rental car into the parking garage 699 00:33:00,397 --> 00:33:01,898 across from the courthouse. 700 00:33:04,150 --> 00:33:07,862 Behind me is the Mills Lane Justice Center. 701 00:33:07,904 --> 00:33:10,073 The surveillance footage was very important. 702 00:33:10,115 --> 00:33:13,576 Darren Mack arrived here at about 10:42 in the morning. 703 00:33:13,618 --> 00:33:15,745 He obtained a ticket at the gate, 704 00:33:15,787 --> 00:33:18,623 drove up to the fifth floor, and then backed the vehicle in 705 00:33:18,665 --> 00:33:21,042 so the rear of the vehicle was facing 706 00:33:21,084 --> 00:33:22,627 the Mills Lane Justice Center. 707 00:33:22,669 --> 00:33:25,422 At about 11:05 a.m. is when we began getting 708 00:33:25,463 --> 00:33:26,923 reports of the shooting. 709 00:33:26,965 --> 00:33:29,050 And at about 11:06, surveillance cameras show 710 00:33:29,092 --> 00:33:31,177 the rear hatch of the Explorer being closed 711 00:33:31,219 --> 00:33:33,805 and the Explorer leaving the parking garage. 712 00:33:35,306 --> 00:33:36,641 Who fired the bullet? 713 00:33:36,683 --> 00:33:37,976 Well, if there's a common denominator 714 00:33:38,018 --> 00:33:41,271 between Charla Mack and Judge Weller, 715 00:33:41,312 --> 00:33:42,772 it's the defendant, Darren Mack. 716 00:33:44,482 --> 00:33:47,318 {\an8}The judicial system, the third branch 717 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:52,032 {\an8}of the American government, is larger than the interests 718 00:33:52,073 --> 00:33:53,908 of any one individual. 719 00:33:53,950 --> 00:33:57,829 And so no violent person, no judge 720 00:33:57,871 --> 00:33:59,372 should ever think that they have 721 00:33:59,414 --> 00:34:01,666 the ability to change the operation 722 00:34:01,708 --> 00:34:03,460 of the judicial system. 723 00:34:03,501 --> 00:34:05,670 We're servants of the judicial system. 724 00:34:07,756 --> 00:34:09,966 There is no defense to the shooting, right? 725 00:34:10,008 --> 00:34:11,259 There's no imminent need. 726 00:34:11,301 --> 00:34:12,927 There's no, "Some other dude did it." 727 00:34:12,969 --> 00:34:15,347 There's no other real defense to the shooting 728 00:34:15,388 --> 00:34:17,640 other than he didn't have the intent. 729 00:34:17,682 --> 00:34:19,309 And you get that one of two ways-- 730 00:34:19,351 --> 00:34:22,062 he either didn't formulate or he couldn't formulate it 731 00:34:22,103 --> 00:34:25,065 because he was "temporarily" out of his mind. 732 00:34:25,106 --> 00:34:29,152 At the time of the shooting of Judge Weller, 733 00:34:29,194 --> 00:34:32,489 you will find that Darren Mack was suffering 734 00:34:32,530 --> 00:34:35,492 from delusional disorder. 735 00:34:35,533 --> 00:34:39,871 The defense claimed that he, as a result of the attack 736 00:34:39,913 --> 00:34:44,376 that he faced with Charla Mack, had a moment of insanity 737 00:34:44,417 --> 00:34:47,587 when he went and shot Judge Weller. 738 00:34:47,629 --> 00:34:51,549 Everything is happening basically on automatic pilot, 739 00:34:51,591 --> 00:34:54,636 which is consistent with somebody 740 00:34:54,678 --> 00:34:56,596 suffering from the delusions 741 00:34:56,638 --> 00:34:59,140 that Darren Mack was suffering from 742 00:34:59,182 --> 00:35:03,061 at the time that he went and shot Judge Weller. 743 00:35:04,688 --> 00:35:06,564 I thought his defense was clever 744 00:35:06,606 --> 00:35:09,192 because it would allow them to attack 745 00:35:09,234 --> 00:35:12,946 {\an8}both, from a self-defense perspective, the murder 746 00:35:12,987 --> 00:35:16,449 {\an8}and to have a defense to the shooting. 747 00:35:16,491 --> 00:35:18,660 But there was a mountain of evidence, 748 00:35:18,702 --> 00:35:21,996 including a to-do list in the defendant's own hand, 749 00:35:22,038 --> 00:35:25,208 that corroborated the sequence of events that had occurred 750 00:35:25,250 --> 00:35:26,876 on the day of the crimes. 751 00:35:26,918 --> 00:35:30,296 So this was a very difficult case to defend. 752 00:35:30,338 --> 00:35:32,674 {\an8}And there is only so much even the best attorneys 753 00:35:32,716 --> 00:35:35,135 {\an8}in the world can do under our system. 754 00:35:36,636 --> 00:35:40,348 {\an8}[tense music] 755 00:35:40,390 --> 00:35:41,891 I received a telephone call 756 00:35:41,933 --> 00:35:44,519 that the defense had approached the prosecution 757 00:35:44,561 --> 00:35:46,021 with a possible plea deal. 758 00:35:46,062 --> 00:35:48,773 If we drop the deadly weapon enhancement, 759 00:35:48,815 --> 00:35:53,069 Mr. Mack was willing to plead to first-degree murder, 760 00:35:53,111 --> 00:35:55,572 as well as attempted murder with the use of a deadly weapon 761 00:35:55,613 --> 00:35:59,075 on Judge Weller, which would save Mr. Mack 762 00:35:59,117 --> 00:36:01,745 about 20 years' worth of sentence. 763 00:36:01,786 --> 00:36:04,247 I was gobsmacked Monday morning 764 00:36:04,289 --> 00:36:07,208 {\an8}when they announced that a deal had been struck 765 00:36:07,250 --> 00:36:09,753 {\an8}and that he was going to enter a plea of guilty. 766 00:36:09,794 --> 00:36:12,088 {\an8}I was gobsmacked. 767 00:36:12,130 --> 00:36:15,759 He changed his not guilty plea to a guilty plea 768 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,220 and didn't present any defense in the courtroom. 769 00:36:19,262 --> 00:36:22,474 All right, as to count one, murder of the first degree, 770 00:36:22,515 --> 00:36:24,309 {\an8}it's my understanding, Mr. Mack, 771 00:36:24,351 --> 00:36:27,896 {\an8}that on June 12th of 2006, 772 00:36:27,937 --> 00:36:30,774 you willfully, feloniously, and without authority of law 773 00:36:30,815 --> 00:36:33,193 stabbed into the body of Charla Mack, 774 00:36:33,234 --> 00:36:34,319 causing her death. 775 00:36:34,361 --> 00:36:35,653 - Is that correct? - That's correct. 776 00:36:35,695 --> 00:36:38,114 And as to count two, it's my understanding 777 00:36:38,156 --> 00:36:40,784 that willfully, unlawfully, and without authority of law, 778 00:36:40,825 --> 00:36:42,660 you shot Judge Weller with a firearm. 779 00:36:42,702 --> 00:36:44,079 That's correct. 780 00:36:46,498 --> 00:36:47,999 I was just in shock. 781 00:36:48,041 --> 00:36:52,837 He had gone from being this reasonable, calm, 782 00:36:52,879 --> 00:36:54,964 collected, successful person 783 00:36:55,006 --> 00:36:59,010 to someone who would kill somebody. 784 00:36:59,052 --> 00:37:01,471 Unfortunately, that November 5th day 785 00:37:01,513 --> 00:37:03,139 was not the end of the Mack trial. 786 00:37:05,016 --> 00:37:07,560 Fairly soon after he struck that plea deal, 787 00:37:07,602 --> 00:37:10,647 he fired Mr. Chesnoff and Mr. Freeman. 788 00:37:10,689 --> 00:37:12,982 He claimed his defense attorneys had 789 00:37:13,024 --> 00:37:15,860 overborne his will, basically pestered him, 790 00:37:15,902 --> 00:37:19,489 and he was unable to freely, knowingly, and intelligently 791 00:37:19,531 --> 00:37:21,032 enter a plea of guilty. 792 00:37:21,074 --> 00:37:22,867 Hired a new attorney, William Routsis, 793 00:37:22,909 --> 00:37:25,036 and sought to withdraw his plea. 794 00:37:25,078 --> 00:37:26,788 I really think that he's narcissistic 795 00:37:26,830 --> 00:37:30,041 and thinks he's smarter than Freeman and Chesnoff. 796 00:37:30,083 --> 00:37:34,337 He's a little bit delusional about how life is. 797 00:37:34,379 --> 00:37:36,881 He reminds me of a little kid having a tantrum. 798 00:37:36,923 --> 00:37:38,675 He doesn't like the outcome. 799 00:37:38,717 --> 00:37:40,343 "Fire all those people. 800 00:37:40,385 --> 00:37:42,095 We're going to try again." 801 00:37:42,137 --> 00:37:45,682 And he wanted to get on the stand 802 00:37:45,724 --> 00:37:48,184 to tell the world his story. 803 00:37:48,226 --> 00:37:50,854 I've remained quiet through this whole thing, 804 00:37:50,895 --> 00:37:53,314 and now I would like to come forward and speak 805 00:37:53,356 --> 00:37:54,649 because there's some very important things 806 00:37:54,691 --> 00:37:57,193 I would like to share. 807 00:38:04,993 --> 00:38:06,286 {\an8}On January 16, 2008, Darren Mack took the stand 808 00:38:09,831 --> 00:38:11,583 {\an8}to decide whether he would be allowed 809 00:38:11,624 --> 00:38:13,793 {\an8}to withdraw his guilty plea. 810 00:38:16,963 --> 00:38:18,173 {\an8}Please raise your right hand. 811 00:38:23,803 --> 00:38:25,847 {\an8}Thank you. Please have a seat. 812 00:38:25,889 --> 00:38:27,640 {\an8}It's generally not a good idea 813 00:38:27,682 --> 00:38:29,934 {\an8}for a guilty defendant to take the stand. 814 00:38:29,976 --> 00:38:31,936 But he felt he needed to make 815 00:38:31,978 --> 00:38:33,646 some kind of statement to the court. 816 00:38:33,688 --> 00:38:37,901 Charla had threatened my life numerous, numerous times, 817 00:38:37,942 --> 00:38:39,486 as well as attacking me. 818 00:38:39,527 --> 00:38:41,196 What happened was--is, 819 00:38:41,237 --> 00:38:42,781 after she was trying to kill me, 820 00:38:42,822 --> 00:38:45,283 we both went to the ground. 821 00:38:45,325 --> 00:38:47,827 She then got stabbed. 822 00:38:47,869 --> 00:38:49,829 And you got to understand the state of mind. 823 00:38:49,871 --> 00:38:52,415 It was an instinct. 824 00:38:52,457 --> 00:38:53,792 But the thing you don't-- 825 00:38:53,833 --> 00:38:55,919 a lot of people don't recognize-- 826 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,672 I lost a wife too. 827 00:38:58,713 --> 00:39:01,466 And even though that this happened, 828 00:39:01,508 --> 00:39:02,884 I still love Charla. 829 00:39:02,926 --> 00:39:06,137 I just couldn't live with her, and I was afraid of her. 830 00:39:06,179 --> 00:39:10,475 Mr. Mack's narcissistic mindset really showed through 831 00:39:10,517 --> 00:39:12,977 in that hearing when he took the stand 832 00:39:13,019 --> 00:39:14,562 and talked about being the victim. 833 00:39:14,604 --> 00:39:16,981 {\an8}It was just unfathomable to me 834 00:39:17,023 --> 00:39:20,443 {\an8}to listen to his perceptions of the process. 835 00:39:23,363 --> 00:39:25,323 At the conclusion of that hearing, 836 00:39:25,365 --> 00:39:27,742 Judge Herndon ruled that Mr. Mack 837 00:39:27,784 --> 00:39:30,745 knowingly and voluntarily entered his plea 838 00:39:30,787 --> 00:39:35,250 and denied his motion to withdraw his guilty plea. 839 00:39:35,291 --> 00:39:38,211 {\an8}[somber music] 840 00:39:38,253 --> 00:39:40,797 {\an8}♪ ♪ 841 00:39:40,839 --> 00:39:43,133 It's time set for the court to address 842 00:39:43,174 --> 00:39:45,135 the sentencing of Mr. Mack. 843 00:39:45,176 --> 00:39:47,595 This case, in my mind, obviously cries out 844 00:39:47,637 --> 00:39:49,222 for incarceration, and the defendant 845 00:39:49,264 --> 00:39:53,184 is going to be incarcerated for a very long time. 846 00:39:53,226 --> 00:39:55,520 Mr. Mack was sentenced to the maximum 847 00:39:55,562 --> 00:39:58,690 on first-degree murder of life with the possibility 848 00:39:58,732 --> 00:40:00,358 of parole after 20 years. 849 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,485 That sentence is to be served consecutive 850 00:40:02,527 --> 00:40:04,863 to the attempted murder charge of Judge Weller. 851 00:40:04,904 --> 00:40:07,282 So in total, under Nevada law, 852 00:40:07,323 --> 00:40:11,536 Mr. Mack would have to do a minimum of 36 years 853 00:40:11,578 --> 00:40:13,705 before he could actually walk the streets 854 00:40:13,747 --> 00:40:15,373 as a free man again. 855 00:40:18,418 --> 00:40:21,504 After Judge Herndon gave him the maximum sentence, 856 00:40:21,546 --> 00:40:23,298 Darren was in shackles. 857 00:40:23,340 --> 00:40:25,800 And he's walking by all the people 858 00:40:25,842 --> 00:40:28,136 that he had known in his life and his children 859 00:40:28,178 --> 00:40:33,016 and his mother, and this is the end of his life 860 00:40:33,058 --> 00:40:34,726 as he'll ever know it. 861 00:40:34,768 --> 00:40:37,896 ♪ ♪ 862 00:40:37,937 --> 00:40:41,274 And it brought me a sense of peace. 863 00:40:46,488 --> 00:40:49,949 In addition to the criminal charges, 864 00:40:49,991 --> 00:40:52,786 the estate of Charla Mack initiated 865 00:40:52,827 --> 00:40:55,080 {\an8}a wrongful death suit in civil court 866 00:40:55,121 --> 00:40:57,290 {\an8}against Mr. Mack. 867 00:40:58,500 --> 00:41:01,419 {\an8}When I say what I do matters to me, 868 00:41:01,461 --> 00:41:03,004 {\an8}the reason I went to law school 869 00:41:03,046 --> 00:41:05,298 {\an8}was cases like this. 870 00:41:05,340 --> 00:41:08,927 {\an8}Really, the theme is that, by killing Charla, 871 00:41:08,968 --> 00:41:11,638 Darren stole what should have been the happiness 872 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,100 and the fairy tale of this child's life from her 873 00:41:15,141 --> 00:41:17,143 because he took not only her mother 874 00:41:17,185 --> 00:41:20,563 but, of course, himself by that act. 875 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,568 Ultimately, her estate prevailed, 876 00:41:25,610 --> 00:41:30,949 and there was a judgment of approximately $590 million 877 00:41:30,990 --> 00:41:32,951 against Mr. Mack 878 00:41:32,992 --> 00:41:35,829 for the wrongful death of his wife. 879 00:41:37,205 --> 00:41:40,166 I was glad of the reward. 880 00:41:40,208 --> 00:41:41,751 A little girl lost her mother. 881 00:41:41,793 --> 00:41:43,628 She's growing up without parents. 882 00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:46,589 She deserved every penny. 883 00:41:46,631 --> 00:41:48,967 There was also a final order struck 884 00:41:49,009 --> 00:41:51,803 between family members related to the care, 885 00:41:51,845 --> 00:41:54,264 custody, and control of Erika. 886 00:41:54,305 --> 00:41:57,684 And the result is that Erika then lived 887 00:41:57,726 --> 00:41:59,769 primarily with Soorya Townley. 888 00:41:59,811 --> 00:42:03,148 ♪ ♪ 889 00:42:03,189 --> 00:42:04,816 This is not a unique story. 890 00:42:04,858 --> 00:42:08,570 This is just a story that I personally knew the people. 891 00:42:08,611 --> 00:42:09,863 And it's still tragic. 892 00:42:09,904 --> 00:42:13,408 And it's still heartbreaking. 893 00:42:15,076 --> 00:42:16,619 You think about a lot of us, hopefully, 894 00:42:16,661 --> 00:42:19,539 we'll have the luxury of being surrounded by people 895 00:42:19,581 --> 00:42:20,915 who love us when we die. 896 00:42:20,957 --> 00:42:26,212 And she didn't get that luxury of dying with love. 897 00:42:26,254 --> 00:42:30,133 She died in pain and terror. 898 00:42:30,175 --> 00:42:32,302 And that haunts me. 899 00:42:32,344 --> 00:42:35,722 And it's very, very difficult to let go. 900 00:42:35,764 --> 00:42:41,311 {\an8}♪ ♪ 901 00:42:41,353 --> 00:42:43,521 {\an8}Justice is a very difficult word. 902 00:42:43,563 --> 00:42:48,068 {\an8}I believe that law and order was served justly. 903 00:42:48,109 --> 00:42:51,613 But I suspect that the Charla Mack family 904 00:42:51,654 --> 00:42:54,449 and Judge Weller may not see it that way. 905 00:42:54,491 --> 00:42:57,410 To the Charla Mack family or to Judge Weller, 906 00:42:57,452 --> 00:43:00,205 justice would be bringing their loved ones back 907 00:43:00,246 --> 00:43:02,957 and to removing that day from their lives. 908 00:43:02,999 --> 00:43:04,626 The criminal justice system doesn't have 909 00:43:04,668 --> 00:43:07,337 the ability to do that. 910 00:43:07,379 --> 00:43:09,631 I've been a judge for 17 years 911 00:43:09,673 --> 00:43:12,967 since this event occurred. 912 00:43:13,009 --> 00:43:15,428 {\an8}I've raised my children. They're successful. 913 00:43:17,597 --> 00:43:20,308 {\an8}I try to have as normal a life as I can. 914 00:43:23,728 --> 00:43:25,897 {\an8}You think you have eternity to be together, 915 00:43:25,939 --> 00:43:27,565 {\an8}and then you realize, you know... 916 00:43:27,607 --> 00:43:30,568 {\an8}[chuckles] 917 00:43:30,610 --> 00:43:32,696 {\an8}Hold on to your children. 73831

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