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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,460 --> 00:00:03,420 In the criminal justice system, 2 00:00:04,796 --> 00:00:07,382 detectives and prosecutors face daunting challenges 3 00:00:07,424 --> 00:00:09,551 when money is the motive for murder. 4 00:00:09,592 --> 00:00:12,846 [dramatic sting] 5 00:00:12,887 --> 00:00:14,097 Irene Silverman, 6 00:00:14,139 --> 00:00:15,223 82 years old, 7 00:00:15,265 --> 00:00:18,560 {\an8}last seen July 5th, 1998. 8 00:00:18,601 --> 00:00:20,228 Irene lived on the Upper East Side. 9 00:00:20,270 --> 00:00:22,689 She's worth a lot of money. Now she's missing. 10 00:00:22,731 --> 00:00:25,108 The disappearance of a wealthy socialite 11 00:00:25,150 --> 00:00:26,192 grips a nation... 12 00:00:26,234 --> 00:00:28,111 This was the largest search 13 00:00:28,153 --> 00:00:30,655 that I have ever participated in by far. 14 00:00:30,697 --> 00:00:33,575 And New York detectives stop at nothing to find her. 15 00:00:33,616 --> 00:00:35,452 The investigation is in full swing. 16 00:00:35,493 --> 00:00:37,412 Everyone is riveted to this case. 17 00:00:37,454 --> 00:00:39,497 But the city faces a case 18 00:00:39,539 --> 00:00:41,207 that has never been tried and won. 19 00:00:41,249 --> 00:00:43,793 {\an8}There was no body. This was an uphill battle. 20 00:00:43,835 --> 00:00:45,712 No one's prepared for how twisted 21 00:00:45,754 --> 00:00:47,422 the real story truly is. 22 00:00:47,464 --> 00:00:49,341 She was the devil in sheep's clothing. 23 00:00:49,382 --> 00:00:51,801 She loved to lie. 24 00:00:51,843 --> 00:00:54,179 These men and women dedicate their lives 25 00:00:54,220 --> 00:00:55,472 to law and order. 26 00:00:55,513 --> 00:00:57,182 I had nightmares about her. 27 00:00:57,223 --> 00:00:59,309 She was as dangerous as a cobra. 28 00:00:59,351 --> 00:01:01,186 These are their true stories. 29 00:01:01,227 --> 00:01:04,731 ♪ ♪ 30 00:01:06,358 --> 00:01:08,485 {\an8}[dramatic sting] 31 00:01:10,820 --> 00:01:13,573 {\an8}[dramatic music] 32 00:01:13,615 --> 00:01:16,993 {\an8}July 5th, 1998 was a beautiful summer night. 33 00:01:17,035 --> 00:01:20,914 There were three of us working in the detective squad. 34 00:01:20,955 --> 00:01:24,084 Around 6:00 p.m., the detectives were notified 35 00:01:24,125 --> 00:01:25,669 {\an8}about a missing person. 36 00:01:25,710 --> 00:01:27,462 {\an8}[siren wails] 37 00:01:27,504 --> 00:01:28,380 {\an8}The patrol officers said that they had 38 00:01:28,421 --> 00:01:29,923 {\an8}a missing elderly woman. 39 00:01:29,964 --> 00:01:33,176 {\an8}[camera shutter snaps] Her name was Irene Silverman. 40 00:01:33,218 --> 00:01:35,303 When the detectives responded to 41 00:01:35,345 --> 00:01:37,681 Irene Silverman's disappearance, 42 00:01:37,722 --> 00:01:39,849 they immediately started conducting interviews. 43 00:01:39,891 --> 00:01:42,060 [camera shutter snaps] 44 00:01:42,102 --> 00:01:45,980 She fit the category of special missing persons 45 00:01:46,022 --> 00:01:50,610 because of her age, and that alarmed everyone. 46 00:01:50,652 --> 00:01:53,279 In 1998, I was an active detective 47 00:01:53,321 --> 00:01:54,447 in the 19th precinct. 48 00:01:54,489 --> 00:01:56,241 I worked with Joe Reznick. 49 00:01:56,282 --> 00:01:57,701 He was a lieutenant 50 00:01:57,742 --> 00:01:59,828 in the 34th precinct detective squad. 51 00:01:59,869 --> 00:02:03,540 New York City in 1998 was fairly good. 52 00:02:03,581 --> 00:02:06,334 We had come a long way as far as crime was concerned. 53 00:02:06,376 --> 00:02:08,795 You could literally see good changes 54 00:02:08,837 --> 00:02:10,130 throughout the city, 55 00:02:10,171 --> 00:02:12,966 all the way until July 5th, 56 00:02:13,008 --> 00:02:14,843 when I'm given this case. 57 00:02:14,884 --> 00:02:18,805 I spent 36 years doing investigations. 58 00:02:18,847 --> 00:02:20,265 The ten-foot-tall moments 59 00:02:20,306 --> 00:02:22,434 that I've encountered over the years, 60 00:02:22,475 --> 00:02:23,977 they're rare. 61 00:02:24,019 --> 00:02:26,062 But on July 5th, 62 00:02:26,104 --> 00:02:28,565 that's a ten-foot-tall moment. 63 00:02:28,606 --> 00:02:30,817 Irene Silverman had a staff 64 00:02:30,859 --> 00:02:33,278 of housekeepers and personal assistants 65 00:02:33,319 --> 00:02:36,531 who were all very concerned with her sudden disappearance. 66 00:02:36,573 --> 00:02:38,825 One person that was available that evening 67 00:02:38,867 --> 00:02:40,285 to talk to detectives 68 00:02:40,326 --> 00:02:45,457 was a female named Aracelis, the weekend housekeeper. 69 00:02:45,498 --> 00:02:48,418 She says that on July 5th, 70 00:02:48,460 --> 00:02:51,671 approximately 11:45 in the morning, 71 00:02:51,713 --> 00:02:55,467 she was asked by Irene to walk the dog, 72 00:02:55,508 --> 00:02:57,552 clean some garments. 73 00:02:57,594 --> 00:03:00,180 And she went off to do those things. 74 00:03:00,221 --> 00:03:02,515 That, in fact, was the last time 75 00:03:02,557 --> 00:03:06,019 that Irene Silverman was seen by any of the workers. 76 00:03:06,061 --> 00:03:09,314 They were people that Irene had employed over the years. 77 00:03:09,356 --> 00:03:11,649 They were concerned for her. 78 00:03:11,691 --> 00:03:14,027 So they gave us a lot of details, 79 00:03:14,069 --> 00:03:17,030 hoping that that would help us figure out what happened. 80 00:03:17,072 --> 00:03:18,615 [phone rings] 81 00:03:18,656 --> 00:03:21,284 At about 2:20 that afternoon, 82 00:03:21,326 --> 00:03:25,163 Irene Silverman received a phone call. 83 00:03:25,205 --> 00:03:27,999 Aracelis knocked on Irene's door, 84 00:03:28,041 --> 00:03:30,919 but she didn't get a response. [knocking at door] 85 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:32,879 About 4:40 p.m., 86 00:03:32,921 --> 00:03:37,258 Aracelis tried once again to wake up Irene Silverman 87 00:03:37,300 --> 00:03:40,428 and then realized she was not in her apartment. 88 00:03:40,470 --> 00:03:42,847 ♪ ♪ 89 00:03:42,889 --> 00:03:44,724 We see that the bedroom is in disarray. 90 00:03:44,766 --> 00:03:46,267 We asked her if this was typical 91 00:03:46,309 --> 00:03:48,812 of Irene Silverman to keep her bedroom like this. 92 00:03:48,853 --> 00:03:51,815 Aracelis says, "Absolutely not." 93 00:03:51,856 --> 00:03:53,608 Irene's a very meticulous woman, 94 00:03:53,650 --> 00:03:56,736 keeps everything neat and squared away. 95 00:03:56,778 --> 00:03:59,364 She also said that Irene Silverman 96 00:03:59,406 --> 00:04:02,826 always kept a lump sum of money in her apartment-- 97 00:04:02,867 --> 00:04:06,162 approximately $10,000 in nice, crisp bills. 98 00:04:06,204 --> 00:04:08,957 That appeared to be missing. 99 00:04:08,998 --> 00:04:11,584 There was also jewelry missing from the apartment 100 00:04:11,626 --> 00:04:14,212 and Irene Silverman's passport. 101 00:04:14,254 --> 00:04:15,922 [indistinct radio chatter] 102 00:04:15,964 --> 00:04:17,173 She was adamant 103 00:04:17,215 --> 00:04:20,385 that something was amiss with Irene. 104 00:04:20,427 --> 00:04:22,887 Irene never leaves the house alone. 105 00:04:22,929 --> 00:04:26,349 She would have told somebody where she went. 106 00:04:27,851 --> 00:04:31,021 Being a millionaire missing from 65th Street 107 00:04:31,062 --> 00:04:32,439 in Manhattan, 108 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:36,401 Irene Silverman's disappearance became the top news. 109 00:04:36,443 --> 00:04:38,028 "NBC News In Depth" tonight-- 110 00:04:38,069 --> 00:04:40,947 the search for a wealthy and eccentric widow 111 00:04:40,989 --> 00:04:44,909 missing from her fashionable New York town house. 112 00:04:44,951 --> 00:04:48,246 About 50 detectives are dispatched city-wide. 113 00:04:48,288 --> 00:04:50,707 We go to the airports. We're doing flight checks. 114 00:04:50,749 --> 00:04:53,460 We go to the train station, the bus stations. 115 00:04:53,501 --> 00:04:56,296 We are looking in every nook and cranny. 116 00:04:56,338 --> 00:04:57,714 [camera shutter snaps] 117 00:04:57,756 --> 00:05:00,550 This is the Irene I knew... 118 00:05:00,592 --> 00:05:04,429 where she's sitting in her living room, 119 00:05:04,471 --> 00:05:07,766 her very ornately decorated living room. 120 00:05:07,807 --> 00:05:09,684 I love this picture of her. 121 00:05:09,726 --> 00:05:12,312 She's a very sophisticated lady, you know, 122 00:05:12,354 --> 00:05:15,482 even though she didn't act that way. 123 00:05:15,523 --> 00:05:18,401 It's a very interesting combination 124 00:05:18,443 --> 00:05:20,695 of personality traits. 125 00:05:22,364 --> 00:05:23,990 She had no children. 126 00:05:24,032 --> 00:05:26,242 And I felt, in a way, 127 00:05:26,284 --> 00:05:28,870 like I was her adopted daughter. 128 00:05:28,912 --> 00:05:33,792 She would regale me with stories of her life. 129 00:05:34,709 --> 00:05:37,837 [bold jazz music] 130 00:05:37,879 --> 00:05:40,465 Irene Silverman was a Rockette 131 00:05:40,507 --> 00:05:43,009 here in New York. 132 00:05:43,051 --> 00:05:46,596 And on October 3rd, 1941, 133 00:05:46,638 --> 00:05:50,392 she met a gentleman named Sam Silverman. 134 00:05:50,433 --> 00:05:53,311 He was very wealthy. 135 00:05:53,353 --> 00:05:55,730 They got married and moved to 136 00:05:55,772 --> 00:05:59,442 a very up-scale section of the city. 137 00:05:59,484 --> 00:06:03,029 ♪ ♪ 138 00:06:03,071 --> 00:06:04,698 Because of her husband's wealth, 139 00:06:04,739 --> 00:06:07,492 she knew what to do with finances, 140 00:06:07,534 --> 00:06:10,495 even after her husband passed away. 141 00:06:10,537 --> 00:06:13,248 After Sam died, she owned property 142 00:06:13,289 --> 00:06:15,834 in France, Hawaii, 143 00:06:15,875 --> 00:06:18,920 obviously in New York. 144 00:06:18,962 --> 00:06:21,881 A wealthy widow, Irene kept company 145 00:06:21,923 --> 00:06:23,758 with friends, politicians, 146 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,178 and well-to-do New York society. 147 00:06:27,220 --> 00:06:29,723 Irene liked to throw elaborate parties. 148 00:06:29,764 --> 00:06:31,725 She loved having interesting people come, 149 00:06:31,766 --> 00:06:33,268 affluent people come. 150 00:06:33,309 --> 00:06:35,854 She was a party--I'd love to hang out with Irene Silverman. 151 00:06:35,895 --> 00:06:38,398 I wish I was invited to one of her parties. 152 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:43,028 Irene would serve very expensive champagne. 153 00:06:43,069 --> 00:06:46,823 We went to some very posh restaurants. 154 00:06:46,865 --> 00:06:49,993 At that age, she was living her life to the fullest. 155 00:06:52,203 --> 00:06:55,040 But Irene's multimillion-dollar townhome 156 00:06:55,081 --> 00:06:57,500 was too big for her to live in alone, 157 00:06:57,542 --> 00:06:59,169 so she converted many of the rooms 158 00:06:59,210 --> 00:07:01,963 into apartments as short-term rentals. 159 00:07:02,005 --> 00:07:05,675 Irene liked to rent to affluent or notable people. 160 00:07:05,717 --> 00:07:08,345 One was an actor, Daniel Day-Lewis, 161 00:07:08,386 --> 00:07:10,430 a singer, Chaka Khan. 162 00:07:10,472 --> 00:07:13,391 You had to have money to rent a room from Irene. 163 00:07:13,433 --> 00:07:16,811 [dramatic music] 164 00:07:16,853 --> 00:07:20,106 {\an8}Interviewing everyone connected to Irene Silverman 165 00:07:20,148 --> 00:07:22,150 {\an8}was a must in this case. 166 00:07:22,192 --> 00:07:25,737 One of the staff members who we were unable to locate 167 00:07:25,779 --> 00:07:28,990 {\an8}was a male by the name of Menji. 168 00:07:29,032 --> 00:07:32,202 {\an8}We wanted to find Menji, because after she disappeared, 169 00:07:32,243 --> 00:07:36,373 {\an8}he went right to Atlanta-- what he said was a vacation. 170 00:07:36,414 --> 00:07:39,626 That was suspicious to us at the time. 171 00:07:39,668 --> 00:07:41,544 A fellow like Menji becomes interesting 172 00:07:41,586 --> 00:07:43,922 because we learn that he had access 173 00:07:43,963 --> 00:07:47,509 to some of Irene Silverman's financial records. 174 00:07:47,550 --> 00:07:48,718 He was guiding her 175 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:50,887 on some of her financial business. 176 00:07:50,929 --> 00:07:52,597 Definitely heightened us 177 00:07:52,639 --> 00:07:54,474 to really want to question him. 178 00:07:54,516 --> 00:07:56,017 We start tracking them down. 179 00:07:56,059 --> 00:08:00,021 The search continued until we find Irene Silverman. 180 00:08:02,232 --> 00:08:04,234 {\an8}[dramatic sting] 181 00:08:06,152 --> 00:08:09,155 {\an8}Irene Silverman... 182 00:08:09,197 --> 00:08:12,617 very rarely leaves her residence. 183 00:08:12,659 --> 00:08:14,077 It seems like she disappeared 184 00:08:14,119 --> 00:08:18,623 under suspicious circumstances on 7/5. 185 00:08:18,665 --> 00:08:20,834 We got to figure out what went on 186 00:08:20,875 --> 00:08:22,502 over at 20 East 65th Street. 187 00:08:22,544 --> 00:08:24,713 ♪ ♪ 188 00:08:24,754 --> 00:08:26,214 We search the neighboring buildings. 189 00:08:26,256 --> 00:08:27,632 We try to recover video 190 00:08:27,674 --> 00:08:29,217 that might have been on the block. 191 00:08:29,259 --> 00:08:31,177 We search the house high and low. 192 00:08:31,219 --> 00:08:34,055 Inside Irene's office, we find a sketch 193 00:08:34,097 --> 00:08:36,057 of what appeared to be a male. 194 00:08:36,099 --> 00:08:38,518 And, of course, we didn't know who he was. 195 00:08:38,560 --> 00:08:40,895 ♪ ♪ 196 00:08:40,937 --> 00:08:44,899 It depicted just basic characteristics of a person, 197 00:08:44,941 --> 00:08:48,611 but we were told that she had drawn that picture 198 00:08:48,653 --> 00:08:50,196 because she was skeptical 199 00:08:50,238 --> 00:08:53,533 of the tenant in apartment 1B-- 200 00:08:53,575 --> 00:08:56,202 a man named Manny Guerrin. 201 00:08:57,871 --> 00:09:00,248 For Irene Silverman to draw up a sketch 202 00:09:00,290 --> 00:09:03,043 two weeks prior to when she disappeared 203 00:09:03,084 --> 00:09:07,505 definitely heightened us to really want to look at him. 204 00:09:07,547 --> 00:09:09,632 {\an8}[dramatic sting] 205 00:09:12,302 --> 00:09:16,431 Manny was a businessman from West Palm Beach. 206 00:09:16,473 --> 00:09:19,684 He was able to rent the apartment from Irene 207 00:09:19,726 --> 00:09:21,269 through her butcher. 208 00:09:21,311 --> 00:09:22,562 Apparently the butcher 209 00:09:22,604 --> 00:09:25,190 told him about the apartments that Irene rents, 210 00:09:25,231 --> 00:09:28,693 so he had a good reference, knew somebody that she knew. 211 00:09:28,735 --> 00:09:31,446 And Manny paid her $6,000 up front 212 00:09:31,488 --> 00:09:33,823 to rent a room. 213 00:09:33,865 --> 00:09:37,160 The staff told us that Irene was suspicious of him 214 00:09:37,202 --> 00:09:39,829 from day one that he rented the apartment. 215 00:09:39,871 --> 00:09:42,332 There was just something about him 216 00:09:42,374 --> 00:09:44,751 that gave her an ill feeling. 217 00:09:44,793 --> 00:09:47,253 Irene Silverman also had cameras 218 00:09:47,295 --> 00:09:49,297 throughout her building. 219 00:09:49,339 --> 00:09:51,549 She found it strange that he would elude 220 00:09:51,591 --> 00:09:53,259 the cameras that she had. 221 00:09:53,301 --> 00:09:57,430 He'd walk up against the wall, out of sight. 222 00:09:57,472 --> 00:09:59,140 The staff also told us 223 00:09:59,182 --> 00:10:01,142 that she would see him standing at the door. 224 00:10:01,184 --> 00:10:04,396 She'd see his feet through the bottom of the door. 225 00:10:04,437 --> 00:10:05,689 She'd see him looking 226 00:10:05,730 --> 00:10:07,273 out the peephole of the apartment, 227 00:10:07,315 --> 00:10:08,608 observing her. 228 00:10:08,650 --> 00:10:11,361 {\an8}[fireworks popping] 229 00:10:12,654 --> 00:10:14,614 The night of Fourth of July, 230 00:10:14,656 --> 00:10:16,741 Irene Silverman had a party, 231 00:10:16,783 --> 00:10:19,452 where she had a discussion with one of her assistants 232 00:10:19,494 --> 00:10:22,789 in regards to evicting Manny Guerrin. 233 00:10:22,831 --> 00:10:25,000 Their plan was, is just to serve him 234 00:10:25,041 --> 00:10:26,167 with an eviction letter 235 00:10:26,209 --> 00:10:28,253 and to get him out of the building. 236 00:10:30,338 --> 00:10:31,756 [train horn blares] 237 00:10:31,798 --> 00:10:35,260 But the next day, Irene Silverman had vanished. 238 00:10:35,301 --> 00:10:36,344 The sketch, 239 00:10:36,386 --> 00:10:38,805 the apartment being in disarray, 240 00:10:38,847 --> 00:10:41,141 her leaving without telling anyone... 241 00:10:41,182 --> 00:10:44,060 ♪ ♪ 242 00:10:44,102 --> 00:10:47,939 Now we have ourselves a mystery on our hands. 243 00:10:47,981 --> 00:10:49,649 {\an8}It was frightening. 244 00:10:49,691 --> 00:10:53,028 {\an8}- [camera shutter snaps] - There was a stun gun box, 245 00:10:53,069 --> 00:10:56,781 {\an8}wigs, Mace, and plastic handcuffs. 246 00:10:56,823 --> 00:10:59,492 {\an8}This is the anatomy of a frame-up. 247 00:10:59,534 --> 00:11:02,162 {\an8}They underestimated the perseverance 248 00:11:02,203 --> 00:11:04,080 {\an8}of the New York City Police Department. 249 00:11:10,503 --> 00:11:11,921 {\an8}Detectives were searching for two people of interest 250 00:11:13,506 --> 00:11:16,760 {\an8}in the missing-persons case of socialite Irene Silverman-- 251 00:11:16,801 --> 00:11:18,428 {\an8}her tenant Manny Guerrin 252 00:11:18,470 --> 00:11:21,389 {\an8}and her personal assistant Menji Melis. 253 00:11:21,431 --> 00:11:24,100 {\an8}[dramatic sting] 254 00:11:24,142 --> 00:11:25,769 {\an8}Menji was down in Atlanta, 255 00:11:25,810 --> 00:11:27,812 {\an8}but we were able to contact him. 256 00:11:27,854 --> 00:11:29,898 {\an8}So he immediately flew back to New York. 257 00:11:29,939 --> 00:11:31,775 While questioning Menji, 258 00:11:31,816 --> 00:11:35,278 he offered for us to look at his financial records. 259 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,781 He was very forthcoming with all his answers 260 00:11:37,822 --> 00:11:40,033 and everything he told us. 261 00:11:40,075 --> 00:11:42,285 {\an8}After speaking to Menji, it was just a matter 262 00:11:42,327 --> 00:11:44,746 {\an8}of checking out what he had said. 263 00:11:44,788 --> 00:11:47,499 We concluded he has nothing to do 264 00:11:47,540 --> 00:11:50,210 with Irene Silverman's disappearance. 265 00:11:50,251 --> 00:11:52,671 Don't forget-- we were counting hours here. 266 00:11:52,712 --> 00:11:56,591 We're also tracking down this guy Manny Guerrin. 267 00:11:56,633 --> 00:11:58,176 When you look at everything, 268 00:11:58,218 --> 00:12:01,054 like that sketch that Irene prepared 269 00:12:01,096 --> 00:12:02,430 or the strange feelings 270 00:12:02,472 --> 00:12:04,474 that Irene Silverman had about them, 271 00:12:04,516 --> 00:12:06,267 he was a suspect. 272 00:12:06,309 --> 00:12:08,645 As the investigation is unfolding, 273 00:12:08,687 --> 00:12:11,523 we determine that we have to get into apartment 1B, 274 00:12:11,564 --> 00:12:14,484 which was Manny Guerrin's apartment. 275 00:12:14,526 --> 00:12:16,027 We needed to know, 276 00:12:16,069 --> 00:12:20,156 was Irene Silverman in that apartment? 277 00:12:20,198 --> 00:12:22,158 We get into the apartment. 278 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:23,618 We notice that the bed was stripped, 279 00:12:23,660 --> 00:12:26,955 and one of the quilts was missing. 280 00:12:26,996 --> 00:12:28,456 In the garbage, 281 00:12:28,498 --> 00:12:31,918 they found some rolled-up used duct tape. 282 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,087 There were some black plastic bags 283 00:12:34,129 --> 00:12:36,214 that were present in a box, 284 00:12:36,256 --> 00:12:38,842 and either five or six bags were missing. 285 00:12:38,883 --> 00:12:41,344 [dramatic music] 286 00:12:41,386 --> 00:12:43,722 Add that to all these other comments 287 00:12:43,763 --> 00:12:45,682 made by the people in the building, 288 00:12:45,724 --> 00:12:47,350 Manny Guerrin 289 00:12:47,392 --> 00:12:49,310 went from being a person of interest 290 00:12:49,352 --> 00:12:51,688 to a suspect in this case. 291 00:12:51,730 --> 00:12:54,566 Now we know what we need to do. 292 00:12:54,607 --> 00:12:56,234 Let's find him. 293 00:12:56,276 --> 00:12:58,361 During the search for Manny Guerrin, 294 00:12:58,403 --> 00:13:01,072 investigators discovered that he wasn't 295 00:13:01,114 --> 00:13:04,367 the only resident in apartment 1B. 296 00:13:04,409 --> 00:13:07,203 Accompanying Manny Guerrin, there was a female, 297 00:13:07,245 --> 00:13:09,789 {\an8}possibly in her 60s or so. 298 00:13:09,831 --> 00:13:13,001 {\an8}She used the name Eve or Eva. 299 00:13:13,043 --> 00:13:14,210 Some of the information 300 00:13:14,252 --> 00:13:16,296 we obtained during the investigation 301 00:13:16,338 --> 00:13:18,506 was that this woman was living with Manny 302 00:13:18,548 --> 00:13:20,008 in apartment 1B. 303 00:13:20,050 --> 00:13:22,302 She was an older woman, 304 00:13:22,344 --> 00:13:25,221 and Manny Guerrin said that that woman was his assistant. 305 00:13:25,263 --> 00:13:29,059 We don't know exactly what role this woman played, 306 00:13:29,100 --> 00:13:32,395 but we needed to talk to her. 307 00:13:32,437 --> 00:13:35,273 Detectives knew that with each hour that went by, 308 00:13:35,315 --> 00:13:38,651 the hope of finding Irene alive diminished. 309 00:13:38,693 --> 00:13:40,362 {\an8}[dramatic sting] 310 00:13:40,403 --> 00:13:42,572 {\an8}[distant sirens wail] 311 00:13:42,614 --> 00:13:44,199 {\an8}You know, there's thousands of people missing 312 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:45,867 here in New York City. 313 00:13:45,909 --> 00:13:50,705 And press conferences are great because you get the publicity. 314 00:13:50,747 --> 00:13:54,376 So Monday night I conducted a press conference. 315 00:13:54,417 --> 00:13:56,753 And I was able to show the sketch 316 00:13:56,795 --> 00:14:00,256 that was prepared by the witnesses earlier in the day. 317 00:14:00,298 --> 00:14:02,133 {\an8}Irene Silverman was in good health, 318 00:14:02,175 --> 00:14:04,719 {\an8}both physically and mentally. 319 00:14:04,761 --> 00:14:07,389 However, she would never leave her residence 320 00:14:07,430 --> 00:14:09,599 without one of her workers. 321 00:14:09,641 --> 00:14:12,602 The disappearance is highly uncharacteristic 322 00:14:12,644 --> 00:14:13,937 of the victim. 323 00:14:13,978 --> 00:14:16,106 The whereabouts of Irene Silverman 324 00:14:16,147 --> 00:14:18,692 remains a mystery. 325 00:14:18,733 --> 00:14:21,444 Authorities have also increased the reward money 326 00:14:21,486 --> 00:14:22,654 {\an8}to $10,000, 327 00:14:22,696 --> 00:14:24,781 {\an8}and they're asking anyone with information 328 00:14:24,823 --> 00:14:27,742 {\an8}to call Crime Stoppers. 329 00:14:27,784 --> 00:14:31,621 {\an8}After the press conference, the FBI called us 330 00:14:31,663 --> 00:14:34,290 {\an8}and said, "Listen, you better get down here. 331 00:14:34,332 --> 00:14:36,251 {\an8}We think we have something that you are looking for." 332 00:14:36,292 --> 00:14:38,461 {\an8}[dramatic sting] 333 00:14:38,503 --> 00:14:40,630 {\an8}♪ ♪ 334 00:14:40,672 --> 00:14:43,133 While we were searching for Irene Silverman, 335 00:14:43,174 --> 00:14:45,176 the regional joint task force, 336 00:14:45,218 --> 00:14:46,553 which is with different departments, 337 00:14:46,594 --> 00:14:49,597 arrested Sante and Kenny Kimes 338 00:14:49,639 --> 00:14:52,642 based on a warrant that was issued in Utah. 339 00:14:52,684 --> 00:14:55,812 Sante and Kenneth Kimes were a mother and son. 340 00:14:55,854 --> 00:15:00,775 They were wanted for an arson and insurance-fraud case. 341 00:15:00,817 --> 00:15:05,030 When Kenny Kimes was searched, they found identification 342 00:15:05,071 --> 00:15:08,408 and an American Express credit card... 343 00:15:08,450 --> 00:15:10,618 in the name if Irene Silverman. 344 00:15:10,660 --> 00:15:13,913 ♪ ♪ 345 00:15:13,955 --> 00:15:17,709 When they searched Sante, they find $10,000 cash. 346 00:15:17,751 --> 00:15:20,337 They asked her what that money was. 347 00:15:20,378 --> 00:15:22,505 She said, "That's nothing. That was just travel money." 348 00:15:24,174 --> 00:15:26,259 Detectives were very alarmed. 349 00:15:26,301 --> 00:15:29,346 Sante and Kenny Kimes had Irene's credit card 350 00:15:29,387 --> 00:15:31,473 and cash in the same amount 351 00:15:31,514 --> 00:15:34,017 {\an8}that was missing from Irene's townhome. 352 00:15:34,059 --> 00:15:36,436 {\an8}And they fit a description of the suspicious tenants 353 00:15:36,478 --> 00:15:38,355 {\an8}from apartment 1B-- 354 00:15:38,396 --> 00:15:41,358 {\an8}Manny Guerrin and his assistant Eva. 355 00:15:41,399 --> 00:15:42,817 During the interview, 356 00:15:42,859 --> 00:15:44,778 we tried to take a gentle approach. 357 00:15:44,819 --> 00:15:46,529 And we appealed to her sense of humanity, 358 00:15:46,571 --> 00:15:48,490 saying, "Listen, Irene's an older woman, 359 00:15:48,531 --> 00:15:50,533 "a little bit older than you. 360 00:15:50,575 --> 00:15:52,786 "She's very frail. She can still be alive. 361 00:15:52,827 --> 00:15:54,662 "You still might be able to save her. 362 00:15:54,704 --> 00:15:56,748 You still might be able to save yourself." 363 00:15:56,790 --> 00:15:58,833 It didn't go anywhere. 364 00:15:58,875 --> 00:16:01,211 She said, "Well, she could be out walking her dog. 365 00:16:01,252 --> 00:16:02,671 "Maybe she fell. 366 00:16:02,712 --> 00:16:04,255 "Maybe she's laying in an alley somewhere 367 00:16:04,297 --> 00:16:06,675 "down some steps and she's passed out. 368 00:16:06,716 --> 00:16:09,511 Why are you wasting your time with me?" 369 00:16:09,552 --> 00:16:12,263 Kenny denied knowing her. He denied anything about her. 370 00:16:12,305 --> 00:16:15,100 We asked, "Well, why was the ID found on you?" 371 00:16:15,141 --> 00:16:17,769 And he kept saying, "What ID? What are you talking about?" 372 00:16:17,811 --> 00:16:19,020 Denying it. 373 00:16:19,062 --> 00:16:22,899 Kenny also had a knife, brass knuckles, 374 00:16:22,941 --> 00:16:24,859 and two sets of keys. 375 00:16:24,901 --> 00:16:29,656 One set of those keys were, in fact, Irene Silverman's. 376 00:16:30,657 --> 00:16:32,617 We asked, "Why was her apartment keys 377 00:16:32,659 --> 00:16:33,827 found on you?" 378 00:16:33,868 --> 00:16:36,871 And he kept saying, "What apartment keys?" 379 00:16:36,913 --> 00:16:41,584 Everything seemed to connect Kenny to Irene's apartment. 380 00:16:41,626 --> 00:16:43,628 It was at that point we believed 381 00:16:43,670 --> 00:16:46,089 Kenny was the person renting apartment 1B 382 00:16:46,131 --> 00:16:47,465 from Irene Silverman 383 00:16:47,507 --> 00:16:50,593 under the name of Manny Guerrin. 384 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,264 Detectives believed that they had finally located 385 00:16:54,305 --> 00:16:55,557 the primary suspect 386 00:16:55,598 --> 00:16:57,642 in Irene Silverman's disappearance. 387 00:16:57,684 --> 00:16:59,728 Hoping to find Irene alive, 388 00:16:59,769 --> 00:17:02,439 they try to cut a deal for information. 389 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:03,982 I said, "It's time for you to fess up. 390 00:17:04,024 --> 00:17:07,569 You can help us find Irene Silverman." 391 00:17:07,610 --> 00:17:09,946 Kenny started to break and well up in tears. 392 00:17:09,988 --> 00:17:11,114 We had him. 393 00:17:11,156 --> 00:17:12,615 I thought he was gonna start talking 394 00:17:12,657 --> 00:17:14,159 and we were gonna have the answers 395 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:15,452 that we've been looking for. 396 00:17:15,493 --> 00:17:18,455 All of a sudden, he turned to stone... 397 00:17:18,496 --> 00:17:21,124 and the tears went away very quickly, 398 00:17:21,166 --> 00:17:23,960 and he requested an attorney at that time. 399 00:17:30,592 --> 00:17:31,301 {\an8}While NYPD patrol units 400 00:17:32,427 --> 00:17:34,596 {\an8}search the city for Irene Silverman, 401 00:17:34,637 --> 00:17:36,264 {\an8}detectives continue to learn 402 00:17:36,306 --> 00:17:38,350 {\an8}more about their primary suspects-- 403 00:17:38,391 --> 00:17:41,019 {\an8}Sante Kimes and her son Kenny. 404 00:17:41,061 --> 00:17:43,438 {\an8}[dramatic sting] 405 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,815 {\an8}[train rattling] 406 00:17:45,857 --> 00:17:49,486 [dramatic music] 407 00:17:49,527 --> 00:17:52,530 As far as the investigation was concerned, 408 00:17:52,572 --> 00:17:55,909 {\an8}we have two suspects possibly in custody. 409 00:17:55,950 --> 00:17:59,871 {\an8}It's a matter of figuring out how they're connected. 410 00:17:59,913 --> 00:18:02,999 Our concentration was on Irene Silverman. 411 00:18:03,041 --> 00:18:06,127 Where was she? What did they do with her? 412 00:18:06,169 --> 00:18:08,797 And who is this Kimes family? 413 00:18:08,838 --> 00:18:11,049 Sante Kimes comes from money. 414 00:18:11,091 --> 00:18:14,886 {\an8}In the '70s, she married a man named Ken Kimes Sr. 415 00:18:14,928 --> 00:18:18,014 We learned that he was a hotel developer. 416 00:18:18,056 --> 00:18:19,974 He was a millionaire. 417 00:18:20,016 --> 00:18:22,769 Sante and Kenneth Kimes had so much money, 418 00:18:22,811 --> 00:18:24,896 they bought property in Hawaii 419 00:18:24,938 --> 00:18:27,273 in one of the most expensive areas, 420 00:18:27,315 --> 00:18:30,068 in addition to homes in Las Vegas. 421 00:18:30,110 --> 00:18:31,945 In 1975, 422 00:18:31,986 --> 00:18:34,948 they had a son they named Kenny Jr. 423 00:18:34,989 --> 00:18:37,075 Kenny Kimes, while being brought up, 424 00:18:37,117 --> 00:18:38,660 had the best of everything. 425 00:18:38,702 --> 00:18:41,037 He had private tutors. He lived in elaborate homes. 426 00:18:41,079 --> 00:18:43,498 He had housekeepers. He had nannies. 427 00:18:43,540 --> 00:18:45,583 They had plenty of money. 428 00:18:45,625 --> 00:18:48,420 This just wasn't enough for Sante. 429 00:18:48,461 --> 00:18:50,880 We had done background checks. 430 00:18:50,922 --> 00:18:53,591 One in particular is called a Triple I check, 431 00:18:53,633 --> 00:18:56,845 where they check other states for criminal histories. 432 00:18:56,886 --> 00:18:58,680 {\an8}And what we discovered about Sante 433 00:18:58,722 --> 00:19:00,348 {\an8}was that she had, in fact, 434 00:19:00,390 --> 00:19:04,436 {\an8}approximately 12 prior arrests. 435 00:19:04,477 --> 00:19:06,604 In Washington, D.C., 436 00:19:06,646 --> 00:19:10,316 Sante and Ken Sr. were at some elaborate party, 437 00:19:10,358 --> 00:19:11,860 and she happened to have stolen 438 00:19:11,901 --> 00:19:13,695 a fur coat from the coatroom, 439 00:19:13,737 --> 00:19:15,488 and she was arrested for that. 440 00:19:15,530 --> 00:19:17,532 She also served three years in prison 441 00:19:17,574 --> 00:19:20,785 for kidnapping back in 1986. 442 00:19:20,827 --> 00:19:24,122 She held one of her housekeepers captive 443 00:19:24,164 --> 00:19:26,374 in her house in Hawaii. 444 00:19:27,876 --> 00:19:31,254 Kenny Kimes Sr. had a distrust for her, 445 00:19:31,296 --> 00:19:35,383 but divorce was never either of their intentions. 446 00:19:35,425 --> 00:19:38,094 In 1994, he does pass away, 447 00:19:38,136 --> 00:19:41,556 and Sante inherits all of his wealth. 448 00:19:43,224 --> 00:19:46,478 NYPD was confident Sante and Kenny Kimes 449 00:19:46,519 --> 00:19:48,563 were behind Irene's disappearance. 450 00:19:48,605 --> 00:19:50,648 But despite having them in custody, 451 00:19:50,690 --> 00:19:53,318 investigators had a problem. 452 00:19:53,360 --> 00:19:55,862 Both the FBI and the LAPD 453 00:19:55,904 --> 00:19:58,948 wanted the Kimes for their own investigations. 454 00:19:58,990 --> 00:20:01,117 We found out that they were both wanted 455 00:20:01,159 --> 00:20:04,871 in a homicide from LA for a man named David Kazdin. 456 00:20:04,913 --> 00:20:07,791 David Kazdin was actually a business associate 457 00:20:07,832 --> 00:20:09,501 with Sante and Kenneth Kimes. 458 00:20:09,542 --> 00:20:12,170 They were involved in some real-estate fraud. 459 00:20:12,212 --> 00:20:13,922 He wanted out. 460 00:20:13,963 --> 00:20:17,717 An approximate $210,000 loan was taken out 461 00:20:17,759 --> 00:20:21,137 on his property without him knowing it. 462 00:20:21,179 --> 00:20:24,724 And then on March 14 of 1998, 463 00:20:24,766 --> 00:20:29,437 his body was discovered in a dumpster at LAX airport. 464 00:20:31,189 --> 00:20:32,899 [train horn blares] 465 00:20:32,941 --> 00:20:35,360 We knew that we had to move quick 466 00:20:35,402 --> 00:20:36,695 to develop our case 467 00:20:36,736 --> 00:20:39,864 before the Kimeses were extradited back to L.A. 468 00:20:39,906 --> 00:20:41,866 We had to really make friends 469 00:20:41,908 --> 00:20:44,869 so there wouldn't be any jurisdictional problems. 470 00:20:46,162 --> 00:20:49,290 LAPD agreed to suspend their investigation 471 00:20:49,332 --> 00:20:53,378 while New York detectives searched for Irene. 472 00:20:53,420 --> 00:20:55,922 We had a lot of work to do. 473 00:20:55,964 --> 00:20:58,800 Inspector Reznick wanted us to find Irene Silverman. 474 00:20:58,842 --> 00:21:01,386 By some remote chance, she might be alive. 475 00:21:01,428 --> 00:21:04,973 So he creates a task force of about 20 detectives. 476 00:21:05,015 --> 00:21:07,517 We are dubbed the Silver Task Force. 477 00:21:07,559 --> 00:21:09,644 {\an8}[dramatic sting] 478 00:21:09,686 --> 00:21:12,272 {\an8}[indistinct chatter, telephones ringing] 479 00:21:12,313 --> 00:21:15,233 {\an8}We held our very first meeting in the war room. 480 00:21:15,275 --> 00:21:17,193 {\an8}♪ ♪ 481 00:21:17,235 --> 00:21:19,237 There was a picture of Irene Silverman 482 00:21:19,279 --> 00:21:20,905 in the war room. 483 00:21:20,947 --> 00:21:23,908 As a task force and as detectives and humans, 484 00:21:23,950 --> 00:21:27,871 we all felt that we needed to solve this case. 485 00:21:27,912 --> 00:21:30,707 This could have been anyone's grandmother or mother. 486 00:21:30,749 --> 00:21:32,208 We were all very invested 487 00:21:32,250 --> 00:21:35,920 in doing whatever we had to do to solve this case. 488 00:21:35,962 --> 00:21:38,631 It was very obvious to us we had two objectives. 489 00:21:38,673 --> 00:21:41,468 One of them was to find Irene Silverman, 490 00:21:41,509 --> 00:21:43,428 {\an8}and the second one was to prove 491 00:21:43,470 --> 00:21:45,138 {\an8}that Sante and Kenny Kimes 492 00:21:45,180 --> 00:21:47,682 {\an8}were responsible for her disappearance. 493 00:21:49,309 --> 00:21:51,019 Detectives look back at the evidence 494 00:21:51,061 --> 00:21:53,313 found on Kenny and Sante Kimes 495 00:21:53,355 --> 00:21:56,191 and discover a parking stub for a garage 496 00:21:56,232 --> 00:21:57,692 in Midtown Manhattan. 497 00:21:57,734 --> 00:21:59,861 ♪ ♪ 498 00:21:59,903 --> 00:22:02,614 They recovered Sante and Kenny's car, 499 00:22:02,655 --> 00:22:04,783 for which a warrant had been issued. 500 00:22:04,824 --> 00:22:07,369 It became instrumental. [camera shutter snaps] 501 00:22:07,410 --> 00:22:09,245 For approximately 30 hours, 502 00:22:09,287 --> 00:22:13,625 a continuous search took place by the Crime Scene Unit. 503 00:22:13,667 --> 00:22:15,126 The garage was hot. 504 00:22:15,168 --> 00:22:17,379 And there was a lot of things in that car. 505 00:22:17,420 --> 00:22:20,590 It was a grueling day in the basement of that garage. 506 00:22:20,632 --> 00:22:21,883 {\an8}Some of the items 507 00:22:21,925 --> 00:22:23,510 {\an8}that were recovered from the car-- 508 00:22:23,551 --> 00:22:25,762 {\an8}there was a stun gun box. 509 00:22:25,804 --> 00:22:27,138 {\an8}Stun gun was missing, 510 00:22:27,180 --> 00:22:29,557 but the box was there, and the receipt was there. 511 00:22:29,599 --> 00:22:33,353 One of the things we found was a caramel-color suitcase. 512 00:22:33,395 --> 00:22:36,815 Inside the suitcase was a 9-millimeter handgun 513 00:22:36,856 --> 00:22:39,150 which had 15 bullets in the magazine. 514 00:22:39,192 --> 00:22:41,861 There was also $22,000 in cash, 515 00:22:41,903 --> 00:22:45,949 unused syringes, and disposable gloves. 516 00:22:45,990 --> 00:22:49,369 In the trunk, police find an empty duffel bag, 517 00:22:49,411 --> 00:22:51,996 big enough to hide a body. 518 00:22:52,038 --> 00:22:55,417 They also find a mason jar of liquid. 519 00:22:55,458 --> 00:22:58,336 It was sent to the lab and determined to be "roofilin," 520 00:22:58,378 --> 00:23:00,505 which is a knockout drug. 521 00:23:00,547 --> 00:23:04,342 ♪ ♪ 522 00:23:04,384 --> 00:23:08,680 Adding all this now to what we've had so far, 523 00:23:08,722 --> 00:23:10,515 we came to our conclusion 524 00:23:10,557 --> 00:23:13,059 that Irene Silverman was murdered. 525 00:23:19,691 --> 00:23:20,316 {\an8}Evidence discovered 526 00:23:21,651 --> 00:23:23,737 {\an8}in Sante and Kenny Kimes' Lincoln Continental 527 00:23:23,778 --> 00:23:26,114 {\an8}led New York detectives to believe 528 00:23:26,156 --> 00:23:28,324 {\an8}they were no longer investigating 529 00:23:28,366 --> 00:23:30,160 {\an8}a missing-persons case. 530 00:23:30,201 --> 00:23:32,454 {\an8}[dramatic sting] 531 00:23:32,495 --> 00:23:34,956 {\an8}Everything now pointed to Irene Silverman 532 00:23:34,998 --> 00:23:38,376 {\an8}having been killed and disposed of by the Kimes. 533 00:23:38,418 --> 00:23:41,588 {\an8}The need to find her body created new urgency 534 00:23:41,629 --> 00:23:43,214 {\an8}for proving a murder case. 535 00:23:43,256 --> 00:23:45,717 {\an8}We wanted to establish a timeline 536 00:23:45,759 --> 00:23:47,719 {\an8}of when Irene was killed. 537 00:23:47,761 --> 00:23:49,512 The parking attendant assured us 538 00:23:49,554 --> 00:23:53,266 that the car was checked in on June 14th at 11:02 a.m. 539 00:23:53,308 --> 00:23:56,269 It was not moved until July 4th. 540 00:23:58,813 --> 00:24:00,482 So we could kind of narrow down, 541 00:24:00,523 --> 00:24:03,151 he took her out of the building on July 5th, 542 00:24:03,193 --> 00:24:07,280 from 11:45 a.m. to 2:20 p.m.... 543 00:24:07,322 --> 00:24:09,032 and then he dumped her. 544 00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:13,036 Given that it was a holiday weekend, 545 00:24:13,078 --> 00:24:14,996 streets were sort of desolate. 546 00:24:15,038 --> 00:24:18,083 {\an8}This provided Kenny the ideal opportunity 547 00:24:18,124 --> 00:24:20,126 {\an8}to just walk that body out. 548 00:24:20,168 --> 00:24:22,504 Lifted up the duffel bag, put it into the trunk, 549 00:24:22,545 --> 00:24:27,008 and then ransacked Irene Silverman's apartment. 550 00:24:27,050 --> 00:24:30,387 We're getting a lot of media attention. 551 00:24:30,428 --> 00:24:33,139 New York City Police Department has a tips hotline. 552 00:24:33,181 --> 00:24:35,100 And day after day, they'd call us and say, 553 00:24:35,141 --> 00:24:37,102 "Here, we got another one for you." 554 00:24:37,143 --> 00:24:38,353 Dozens of police officers 555 00:24:38,395 --> 00:24:40,313 combed the perimeter of Central Park. 556 00:24:40,355 --> 00:24:44,401 Their search for clues gained in intensity. 557 00:24:44,442 --> 00:24:48,321 We searched the Meadowlands in New Jersey based on a tip. 558 00:24:48,363 --> 00:24:52,075 We searched it by ground, and we searched it by air. 559 00:24:52,117 --> 00:24:54,661 Detectives also were sent to go through garbage 560 00:24:54,703 --> 00:24:56,246 at garbage dumps, 561 00:24:56,287 --> 00:24:58,248 because we thought at that point 562 00:24:58,289 --> 00:25:00,959 that Irene Silverman was dumped in a dumpster. 563 00:25:01,001 --> 00:25:03,086 So we had probably about 50 detectives 564 00:25:03,128 --> 00:25:05,839 raking through garbage looking for Irene. 565 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,174 Despite the massive search effort, 566 00:25:08,216 --> 00:25:10,593 investigators were unable to locate 567 00:25:10,635 --> 00:25:12,470 Irene Silverman's remains. 568 00:25:12,512 --> 00:25:16,516 Meanwhile, Sante Kimes began her own media campaign 569 00:25:16,558 --> 00:25:18,601 from her prison cell 570 00:25:18,643 --> 00:25:21,354 by hiring a production team to push her own narrative. 571 00:25:21,396 --> 00:25:23,023 It is my great pleasure 572 00:25:23,064 --> 00:25:25,817 to introduce my beloved attorneys, 573 00:25:25,859 --> 00:25:27,819 who are champions of justice-- 574 00:25:27,861 --> 00:25:30,905 Mel Sachs. and this is Matthew Weissman. 575 00:25:30,947 --> 00:25:33,283 We will have other attorneys probably helping us. 576 00:25:33,324 --> 00:25:35,326 Sante was doing press conferences 577 00:25:35,368 --> 00:25:38,329 {\an8}out of the prison like she was getting ready 578 00:25:38,371 --> 00:25:39,497 {\an8}to do a stage performance 579 00:25:39,539 --> 00:25:42,876 {\an8}as opposed to defending for her life. 580 00:25:42,917 --> 00:25:44,627 Michael Hardy was an associate 581 00:25:44,669 --> 00:25:47,547 of civil rights activist Reverend Al Sharpton. 582 00:25:47,589 --> 00:25:50,800 And Sante wanted him on her defense team. 583 00:25:50,842 --> 00:25:53,845 I got involved when I received letters 584 00:25:53,887 --> 00:25:55,597 from Sante. 585 00:25:55,638 --> 00:25:58,892 "I really need you." "We are being prosecuted." 586 00:25:58,933 --> 00:26:00,769 "Our rights are being violated." 587 00:26:00,810 --> 00:26:04,522 She was appealing to my instincts, if you will. 588 00:26:04,564 --> 00:26:07,942 And eventually I decided to say yes. 589 00:26:07,984 --> 00:26:11,446 After she hired Michael Hardy and Mel Sachs, 590 00:26:11,488 --> 00:26:13,990 her defense attorneys hold press conferences 591 00:26:14,032 --> 00:26:15,909 accusing the NYPD 592 00:26:15,950 --> 00:26:18,078 of setting up Sante and Kenneth Kimes, 593 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:19,662 framing them for the disappearance 594 00:26:19,704 --> 00:26:20,914 of Irene Silverman. 595 00:26:20,955 --> 00:26:22,248 They're not being charged 596 00:26:22,290 --> 00:26:23,958 {\an8}with murder or anything of that nature. 597 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,753 {\an8}It's solely a warrant from Utah, 598 00:26:26,795 --> 00:26:27,962 {\an8}and that's it. 599 00:26:28,004 --> 00:26:30,590 {\an8}This was a way of detaining them 600 00:26:30,632 --> 00:26:31,841 {\an8}and holding them. 601 00:26:31,883 --> 00:26:35,261 This is the anatomy of a frame-up. 602 00:26:35,303 --> 00:26:38,223 {\an8}The little woman who has disappeared, 603 00:26:38,264 --> 00:26:40,684 {\an8}if anything has ever happened to her, 604 00:26:40,725 --> 00:26:43,645 {\an8}it's on the hands of the police. 605 00:26:43,687 --> 00:26:45,105 To prove her innocence, 606 00:26:45,146 --> 00:26:47,273 Sante hired private investigators 607 00:26:47,315 --> 00:26:50,068 Larry Frost and Clarissa McNair. 608 00:26:50,110 --> 00:26:52,112 My name is Clarissa McNair. 609 00:26:52,153 --> 00:26:55,031 I became her private detective. 610 00:26:55,073 --> 00:26:57,909 I got a lot of flak for taking on this case. 611 00:26:57,951 --> 00:27:01,121 But it was my first murder case, 612 00:27:01,162 --> 00:27:05,625 and I think everyone is entitled to a good defense. 613 00:27:05,667 --> 00:27:07,335 If a lawyer were there, 614 00:27:07,377 --> 00:27:09,838 she would tell him a certain story. 615 00:27:09,879 --> 00:27:11,965 Another lawyer might come for 20 minutes, 616 00:27:12,007 --> 00:27:13,299 and they'd talk. 617 00:27:13,341 --> 00:27:16,052 She'd tell him an entirely different version 618 00:27:16,094 --> 00:27:17,470 of the story. 619 00:27:17,512 --> 00:27:19,681 And I'd say, "Sante, what are you doing? 620 00:27:19,723 --> 00:27:21,141 "We're on your side. 621 00:27:21,182 --> 00:27:23,101 You're confusing everybody." 622 00:27:23,143 --> 00:27:25,145 And she'd say, "They believe me. 623 00:27:25,186 --> 00:27:26,938 It's my way of having fun." 624 00:27:26,980 --> 00:27:30,775 She loved to lie. 625 00:27:30,817 --> 00:27:33,945 {\an8}[dramatic sting] 626 00:27:33,987 --> 00:27:35,780 On July 23rd, 627 00:27:35,822 --> 00:27:37,907 detectives intercepted a phone conversation 628 00:27:37,949 --> 00:27:40,827 between Sante and one of her private investigators, 629 00:27:40,869 --> 00:27:42,537 Larry Frost. 630 00:27:42,579 --> 00:27:44,497 Sante needed a favor. 631 00:27:44,539 --> 00:27:45,999 {\an8}What she didn't realize 632 00:27:46,041 --> 00:27:49,169 {\an8}was that all of her jailhouse conversations 633 00:27:49,210 --> 00:27:51,004 {\an8}were being monitored. 634 00:27:51,046 --> 00:27:53,006 {\an8}Sante asked her private investigator 635 00:27:53,048 --> 00:27:54,299 {\an8}to go to the Plaza Hotel 636 00:27:54,341 --> 00:27:56,634 {\an8}to retrieve a bag that she had checked there. 637 00:27:56,676 --> 00:27:58,720 Unbeknownst to the private investigator, 638 00:27:58,762 --> 00:28:00,347 we had a wiretap on the phone, 639 00:28:00,388 --> 00:28:03,183 and we intercepted this information. 640 00:28:03,224 --> 00:28:05,352 Once he retrieved the bag, 641 00:28:05,393 --> 00:28:08,688 the authorities were there waiting. 642 00:28:08,730 --> 00:28:11,066 What became critical about finding that bag 643 00:28:11,107 --> 00:28:12,817 was the contents. 644 00:28:12,859 --> 00:28:16,905 And those contents included a .22-caliber handgun 645 00:28:16,946 --> 00:28:19,282 that was wrapped in a white turban, 646 00:28:19,324 --> 00:28:21,951 forged social security cards, 647 00:28:21,993 --> 00:28:25,163 15 notebooks, wigs, Mace, 648 00:28:25,205 --> 00:28:27,207 and plastic handcuffs. 649 00:28:27,248 --> 00:28:28,708 {\an8}There were birth certificates 650 00:28:28,750 --> 00:28:29,918 {\an8}for Manny Guerrin, 651 00:28:29,959 --> 00:28:33,046 {\an8}for Kenny Kimes, for Sante-- 652 00:28:33,088 --> 00:28:37,050 all sorts of documents that were incriminating. 653 00:28:37,092 --> 00:28:38,426 Other important items 654 00:28:38,468 --> 00:28:41,429 included these spiral notebooks. 655 00:28:41,471 --> 00:28:44,557 One page had a list of items. 656 00:28:44,599 --> 00:28:48,353 It included a shower curtain, rope, tape, 657 00:28:48,395 --> 00:28:52,649 which was most of the evidence recovered from apartment 1B. 658 00:28:52,691 --> 00:28:56,486 They also find a folder that said, "Final dynasty," 659 00:28:56,528 --> 00:28:59,280 which was a key piece of evidence. 660 00:28:59,322 --> 00:29:03,159 Inside was the deed of Irene Silverman's mansion. 661 00:29:03,201 --> 00:29:05,954 ♪ ♪ 662 00:29:05,995 --> 00:29:08,248 The paperwork said that Irene sold 663 00:29:08,289 --> 00:29:11,292 her very, very expensive $10 million town house 664 00:29:11,334 --> 00:29:15,630 for only $300,000 to an offshore account 665 00:29:15,672 --> 00:29:18,508 which had the name The Atlantic Group. 666 00:29:18,550 --> 00:29:21,428 It was forged. It all looked bad. 667 00:29:21,469 --> 00:29:23,430 It was the evidence detectives needed 668 00:29:23,471 --> 00:29:26,433 to secure a motive in Irene's murder. 669 00:29:26,474 --> 00:29:30,311 Knowing Sante's history of obtaining money, 670 00:29:30,353 --> 00:29:33,815 the plot was, kill Irene, take over the town house, 671 00:29:33,857 --> 00:29:35,817 move the money to an offshore account, 672 00:29:35,859 --> 00:29:38,028 and then dump her somewhere in Jersey. 673 00:29:38,069 --> 00:29:40,780 ♪ ♪ 674 00:29:40,822 --> 00:29:43,700 {\an8}On December 16th, 1998, 675 00:29:43,742 --> 00:29:46,036 {\an8}the mother-son duo were indicted 676 00:29:46,077 --> 00:29:48,371 {\an8}on 84 counts, 677 00:29:48,413 --> 00:29:50,498 {\an8}which included a second-degree murder, 678 00:29:50,540 --> 00:29:54,252 {\an8}burglary, robbery, as well as fraud. 679 00:29:54,294 --> 00:29:56,588 But there was no direct evidence-- 680 00:29:56,629 --> 00:30:00,050 no DNA, no fingerprints, none of that. 681 00:30:00,091 --> 00:30:03,762 This was a pure circumstantial case, 682 00:30:03,803 --> 00:30:07,182 and prosecutors knew they had an uphill battle. 683 00:30:16,775 --> 00:30:17,359 {\an8}Okay, just relax. 684 00:30:18,568 --> 00:30:20,779 {\an8}And then the pauses are really great. 685 00:30:20,820 --> 00:30:21,905 {\an8}They're essential. 686 00:30:21,946 --> 00:30:23,198 {\an8}[exhales deeply] 687 00:30:23,239 --> 00:30:25,075 {\an8}Just relax, Ken. 688 00:30:25,116 --> 00:30:28,161 {\an8}Hello, my name is Kenneth Kimes. 689 00:30:29,371 --> 00:30:31,206 {\an8}You don't really know me. 690 00:30:31,247 --> 00:30:32,832 {\an8}You may think you know me. 691 00:30:32,874 --> 00:30:35,710 {\an8}You may think you know my mother, but you don't. 692 00:30:35,752 --> 00:30:37,253 {\an8}We are innocent. 693 00:30:37,295 --> 00:30:41,383 ♪ ♪ 694 00:30:41,424 --> 00:30:44,260 {\an8}There were lots of stories about Sante and Kenny. 695 00:30:44,302 --> 00:30:47,514 {\an8}The tabloids had a field day. 696 00:30:47,555 --> 00:30:49,391 {\an8}She would often call the press, 697 00:30:49,432 --> 00:30:52,060 {\an8}try to give statements to various newspapers. 698 00:30:52,102 --> 00:30:54,229 {\an8}Sante was a celebrity. 699 00:30:54,270 --> 00:30:56,815 {\an8}I mean, she literally used to have reporters 700 00:30:56,856 --> 00:31:00,235 {\an8}come up to her cell and be giving interviews. 701 00:31:00,276 --> 00:31:02,904 {\an8}We're innocent, and if just given our rights, 702 00:31:02,946 --> 00:31:04,531 {\an8}we will prove it. 703 00:31:04,572 --> 00:31:08,660 Sante Kimes was practically Meryl Streep. 704 00:31:08,702 --> 00:31:12,247 Her eyes could fill with tears in a second. 705 00:31:12,288 --> 00:31:14,124 This case is different, like you said, 706 00:31:14,165 --> 00:31:15,667 in that they don't have any evidence. 707 00:31:15,709 --> 00:31:17,585 - This case should have... - We will show that... 708 00:31:17,627 --> 00:31:19,421 - Never even been-- - At trial, Sante. 709 00:31:19,462 --> 00:31:21,423 If you're gonna defend someone 710 00:31:21,464 --> 00:31:23,299 who's being accused of murder, 711 00:31:23,341 --> 00:31:27,053 I do not want my client doing daily interviews 712 00:31:27,095 --> 00:31:28,638 about the case. 713 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,850 But Sante continuously neglected to take 714 00:31:31,891 --> 00:31:33,476 the advice of her attorneys. 715 00:31:33,518 --> 00:31:37,063 {\an8}The reason why we're doing this before trial is because 716 00:31:37,105 --> 00:31:40,608 {\an8}of the unfair portrayal that's been given about us. 717 00:31:40,650 --> 00:31:41,943 {\an8}I mean, I've even heard rumors about 718 00:31:41,985 --> 00:31:45,030 {\an8}how I don't love my mother, how I hate her. 719 00:31:45,071 --> 00:31:48,241 {\an8}The media has portrayed us totally like we are not. 720 00:31:48,283 --> 00:31:50,201 {\an8}We're just a mother and son. 721 00:31:50,243 --> 00:31:53,038 {\an8}Essentially, what Sante was attempting to do 722 00:31:53,079 --> 00:31:55,707 {\an8}is gain some sort of sympathy. 723 00:31:55,749 --> 00:31:59,836 {\an8}You are talking about potential jurors 724 00:31:59,878 --> 00:32:03,340 {\an8}reading newspapers, watching the news. 725 00:32:03,381 --> 00:32:06,801 {\an8}So she was hoping to get to and through them. 726 00:32:06,843 --> 00:32:10,805 {\an8}If you believe in justice or family, 727 00:32:10,847 --> 00:32:13,016 {\an8}I beg for your help. 728 00:32:13,058 --> 00:32:15,602 {\an8}My son and I are innocent. 729 00:32:15,643 --> 00:32:17,520 {\an8}Her playing with the media 730 00:32:17,562 --> 00:32:20,523 {\an8}and attempting to generate some sympathy 731 00:32:20,565 --> 00:32:23,068 makes me want to laugh, 732 00:32:23,109 --> 00:32:28,323 because people who commit these crimes are sociopaths. 733 00:32:28,365 --> 00:32:29,741 Over the next year, 734 00:32:29,783 --> 00:32:31,576 detectives work closely with the DA 735 00:32:31,618 --> 00:32:33,078 to prepare for trial. 736 00:32:33,119 --> 00:32:35,872 But despite all the circumstantial evidence 737 00:32:35,914 --> 00:32:37,082 in their favor, 738 00:32:37,123 --> 00:32:40,418 a conviction was a long shot. 739 00:32:40,460 --> 00:32:42,337 {\an8}The Silver Task Force, along with the DAs, 740 00:32:42,379 --> 00:32:43,922 {\an8}really were up against something 741 00:32:43,963 --> 00:32:46,383 {\an8}that New York City has never seen before. 742 00:32:46,424 --> 00:32:48,843 {\an8}We were going for a murder conviction 743 00:32:48,885 --> 00:32:50,303 {\an8}without having a body. 744 00:32:50,345 --> 00:32:52,013 We didn't have any forensic evidence-- 745 00:32:52,055 --> 00:32:56,976 no blood, no hair fibers, no fabric fibers, nothing. 746 00:32:57,018 --> 00:32:59,562 In a case where there's no body, 747 00:32:59,604 --> 00:33:03,149 the likelihood of it ending in a conviction 748 00:33:03,191 --> 00:33:05,068 was slim to none. 749 00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:06,569 {\an8}[dramatic sting] 750 00:33:06,611 --> 00:33:09,197 {\an8}[indistinct chatter] 751 00:33:09,239 --> 00:33:10,990 Going into the trial, 752 00:33:11,032 --> 00:33:13,743 Judge Rena Uviller was the judge. 753 00:33:13,785 --> 00:33:16,579 And Judge Uviller had a great reputation. 754 00:33:16,621 --> 00:33:19,374 And so you really felt like you were walking into 755 00:33:19,416 --> 00:33:21,376 a level playing field. 756 00:33:21,418 --> 00:33:23,086 To limit any influence on the jurors 757 00:33:23,128 --> 00:33:24,546 and the outcome of the trial, 758 00:33:24,587 --> 00:33:27,048 Judge Uviller barred all cameras 759 00:33:27,090 --> 00:33:29,092 inside the courtroom. 760 00:33:29,134 --> 00:33:32,220 [dramatic music] 761 00:33:32,262 --> 00:33:35,640 ♪ ♪ 762 00:33:35,682 --> 00:33:38,560 First drawing I did of Sante and Kenneth, 763 00:33:38,601 --> 00:33:40,520 the son was exceptionally handsome 764 00:33:40,562 --> 00:33:41,980 and put together, 765 00:33:42,022 --> 00:33:44,065 {\an8}although he had kind of a vacantness about his eyes. 766 00:33:44,107 --> 00:33:47,694 His mother, she just looked, like, dangerous. 767 00:33:47,736 --> 00:33:49,821 Her eyes were like coals. 768 00:33:49,863 --> 00:33:52,615 And there was something kind of strange 769 00:33:52,657 --> 00:33:55,118 about the relationship between Sante and Kenny. 770 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,079 There was a physical intimacy that is unusual 771 00:33:58,121 --> 00:34:02,375 between a mother and her son. 772 00:34:02,417 --> 00:34:05,962 She would actually grasp her son's hand 773 00:34:06,004 --> 00:34:10,258 and hold on to it like he was a child 774 00:34:10,300 --> 00:34:12,093 or like he was her man. 775 00:34:12,135 --> 00:34:16,056 The judge had the feeling Sante was in fact manipulating 776 00:34:16,097 --> 00:34:19,142 everyone in the courtroom by this display of affection. 777 00:34:19,184 --> 00:34:21,436 Oh, who could think such horrible things about 778 00:34:21,478 --> 00:34:23,396 such a caring mother? 779 00:34:23,438 --> 00:34:25,774 And she just said, "Cut it out." 780 00:34:25,815 --> 00:34:29,986 And after that, they were put several seats apart. 781 00:34:30,028 --> 00:34:31,613 {\an8}[dramatic sting] 782 00:34:31,654 --> 00:34:33,948 {\an8}[indistinct chatter] 783 00:34:33,990 --> 00:34:38,453 On February 14th of 2000, the trial eventually commenced. 784 00:34:38,495 --> 00:34:40,080 In their opening statements, 785 00:34:40,121 --> 00:34:43,166 the prosecution painted Sante Kimes 786 00:34:43,208 --> 00:34:45,794 as a woman addicted to crime. 787 00:34:45,835 --> 00:34:47,545 Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, 788 00:34:47,587 --> 00:34:50,799 this is a case about arrogance and greed. 789 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,134 The prosecution did bring up 790 00:34:53,176 --> 00:34:56,429 that Sante had a very nice life 791 00:34:56,471 --> 00:34:59,391 as the wife of a multimillionaire. 792 00:34:59,432 --> 00:35:02,435 But she still was driven to steal. 793 00:35:02,477 --> 00:35:04,813 This was a compulsion. 794 00:35:04,854 --> 00:35:06,690 And I think there was something in her 795 00:35:06,731 --> 00:35:10,694 that was constantly thirsting for thrills. 796 00:35:12,070 --> 00:35:14,739 Sante Kimes was dangerous. 797 00:35:14,781 --> 00:35:16,700 I never stopped feeling 798 00:35:16,741 --> 00:35:20,036 she was as dangerous as a cobra. 799 00:35:20,078 --> 00:35:23,248 This mother-son duo, 800 00:35:23,289 --> 00:35:26,334 they had long planned to steal 801 00:35:26,376 --> 00:35:30,588 Irene's $7 million town house. 802 00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:34,009 The mother posed as Irene in this case, 803 00:35:34,050 --> 00:35:38,013 duped a notary into approving a fraudulent deed 804 00:35:38,054 --> 00:35:41,099 that transferred the ownership of the mansion 805 00:35:41,141 --> 00:35:43,226 to a Kimes-owned shell company 806 00:35:43,268 --> 00:35:46,021 after stealing Irene's identity. 807 00:35:46,062 --> 00:35:49,274 She had to be gotten out of their way. 808 00:35:49,315 --> 00:35:51,985 Now, I'm confident that at the end of this trial, 809 00:35:52,027 --> 00:35:54,362 you will be left with no choice 810 00:35:54,404 --> 00:35:55,739 but to come back with a verdict, 811 00:35:55,780 --> 00:35:58,450 guilty as to all counts. 812 00:35:59,784 --> 00:36:02,078 This is a picture of Michael Hardy 813 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,373 doing his opening argument with Sante. 814 00:36:05,415 --> 00:36:06,916 Ladies and gentlemen, 815 00:36:06,958 --> 00:36:09,169 there's gonna be a mountain of evidence 816 00:36:09,210 --> 00:36:11,546 that the prosecution puts before you. 817 00:36:11,588 --> 00:36:13,923 They are going to show you 818 00:36:13,965 --> 00:36:18,178 date-rape drugs, rope, tape, guns. 819 00:36:18,219 --> 00:36:21,056 They're gonna show you all of these things. 820 00:36:21,097 --> 00:36:22,974 But let me ask you, 821 00:36:23,016 --> 00:36:26,269 where is the evidence of foul play 822 00:36:26,311 --> 00:36:28,480 against Irene Silverman? 823 00:36:29,981 --> 00:36:31,900 Was Irene Silverman strangled? 824 00:36:31,941 --> 00:36:34,194 There's nothing here to say that. 825 00:36:34,235 --> 00:36:35,904 [camera shutter snapping] What about the guns? 826 00:36:35,945 --> 00:36:37,906 Was Irene Silverman shot? 827 00:36:37,947 --> 00:36:39,491 There's not even any blood. 828 00:36:39,532 --> 00:36:40,658 If she was shot, 829 00:36:40,700 --> 00:36:42,369 there would have to be blood somewhere. 830 00:36:42,410 --> 00:36:45,205 Was Irene Silverman choked? 831 00:36:45,246 --> 00:36:46,873 There would be DNA evidence. 832 00:36:46,915 --> 00:36:50,251 There is none, not a shred. 833 00:36:50,293 --> 00:36:52,462 And if there is no evidence, 834 00:36:52,504 --> 00:36:54,964 there can be no guilt. 835 00:36:55,006 --> 00:36:58,009 {\an8}Their biggest defense was, "There's no body. 836 00:36:58,051 --> 00:36:59,761 {\an8}"So how could there be a crime? 837 00:36:59,803 --> 00:37:02,764 {\an8}"We don't know where Mrs. Silverman is. 838 00:37:02,806 --> 00:37:05,266 "She could be on a round-the-world cruise. 839 00:37:05,308 --> 00:37:07,560 She could be anywhere." 840 00:37:07,602 --> 00:37:09,229 At the end of the day, 841 00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:11,648 you knew no matter what they said, 842 00:37:11,690 --> 00:37:13,525 they could not present a body, 843 00:37:13,566 --> 00:37:15,985 so there was reasonable doubt. 844 00:37:16,027 --> 00:37:19,823 But the jury was still in store for 845 00:37:19,864 --> 00:37:22,325 the most dramatic testimony yet to come. 846 00:37:30,834 --> 00:37:32,002 {\an8}While the defense argued reasonable doubt, 847 00:37:33,086 --> 00:37:35,296 {\an8}the prosecution painted Sante Kimes 848 00:37:35,338 --> 00:37:38,842 {\an8}as the mastermind behind Irene Silverman's murder. 849 00:37:38,883 --> 00:37:41,428 {\an8}[dramatic sting] 850 00:37:41,469 --> 00:37:44,931 {\an8}One of the pieces of evidence in the case 851 00:37:44,973 --> 00:37:46,558 {\an8}was a tape recording. 852 00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:49,602 {\an8}- [cassette player clicks] - We recovered the cassette 853 00:37:49,644 --> 00:37:51,938 {\an8}from that green Lincoln Continental. 854 00:37:51,980 --> 00:37:53,898 There's no way to describe it 855 00:37:53,940 --> 00:37:56,401 except as damning evidence. 856 00:37:56,443 --> 00:38:00,530 It was Irene Silverman's voice and Sante's voice 857 00:38:00,572 --> 00:38:02,073 on a recording. 858 00:38:02,115 --> 00:38:03,908 She posed as a representative 859 00:38:03,950 --> 00:38:06,036 from the Circus Circus Hotel in Las Vegas. 860 00:38:06,077 --> 00:38:08,747 She was telling Irene Silverman 861 00:38:08,788 --> 00:38:11,916 that she had won a trip to Las Vegas. 862 00:38:11,958 --> 00:38:13,585 All she needed to claim it 863 00:38:13,626 --> 00:38:16,504 was her social security number. 864 00:38:16,546 --> 00:38:17,922 {\an8}This tape was proof 865 00:38:17,964 --> 00:38:20,592 {\an8}that Sante was actually eavesdropping. 866 00:38:20,633 --> 00:38:21,926 I was horrified. 867 00:38:21,968 --> 00:38:25,096 I mean, Sante had made the recording herself. 868 00:38:25,138 --> 00:38:27,974 I think it had a great impact on the jury 869 00:38:28,016 --> 00:38:31,311 to know that Sante Kimes was on a mission 870 00:38:31,353 --> 00:38:33,355 to dupe Mrs. Silverman. 871 00:38:36,066 --> 00:38:40,111 After 43 days of testimony, the prosecution rested, 872 00:38:40,153 --> 00:38:42,906 and the defense presented their case. 873 00:38:42,947 --> 00:38:45,950 The defense argued to the jury that officers 874 00:38:45,992 --> 00:38:47,952 and the law enforcement officials in this case 875 00:38:47,994 --> 00:38:50,789 did not truly rule out other individuals 876 00:38:50,830 --> 00:38:53,166 that could have become suspects. 877 00:38:53,208 --> 00:38:56,628 Irene Silverman was a very interesting victim 878 00:38:56,670 --> 00:38:59,964 because she did have employees, 879 00:39:00,006 --> 00:39:03,051 some of whom had a self-interest. 880 00:39:03,093 --> 00:39:08,264 And she regularly invited people into her home. 881 00:39:08,306 --> 00:39:12,644 And there was a not-for-profit that would inherit her house 882 00:39:12,686 --> 00:39:14,938 whenever she may have passed. 883 00:39:14,979 --> 00:39:17,148 So you had people in her life, 884 00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:20,318 all of whom could have motivation 885 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,487 for her disappearance and death. 886 00:39:22,529 --> 00:39:24,698 {\an8}[dramatic sting] 887 00:39:25,907 --> 00:39:27,826 {\an8}It's always a very tense atmosphere 888 00:39:27,867 --> 00:39:29,536 {\an8}when the verdict comes in. 889 00:39:29,577 --> 00:39:31,037 {\an8}You're really literally 890 00:39:31,079 --> 00:39:33,790 {\an8}practically holding your breath. 891 00:39:33,832 --> 00:39:36,376 As to Sante Kimes, 892 00:39:36,418 --> 00:39:37,711 guilty. 893 00:39:37,752 --> 00:39:39,879 Three counts of murder in the second degree, 894 00:39:39,921 --> 00:39:42,716 one count of robbery and conspiracy, 895 00:39:42,757 --> 00:39:44,759 16 counts of forgery, 896 00:39:44,801 --> 00:39:47,554 29 counts of eavesdropping, 897 00:39:47,595 --> 00:39:49,639 totaling 58 counts. 898 00:39:49,681 --> 00:39:52,350 [dramatic music] 899 00:39:52,392 --> 00:39:54,853 Kenny was convicted of those exact counts 900 00:39:54,894 --> 00:39:56,855 {\an8}in addition to two counts 901 00:39:56,896 --> 00:39:58,606 {\an8}of possession of a forged instrument, 902 00:39:58,648 --> 00:40:01,609 {\an8}for a total of 60 counts. 903 00:40:01,651 --> 00:40:03,695 "Guilty, guilty, guilty," 904 00:40:03,737 --> 00:40:07,907 rang out dozens and dozens of times. 905 00:40:07,949 --> 00:40:09,576 {\an8}I was shocked. 906 00:40:09,617 --> 00:40:14,205 {\an8}The jury unanimously voted the two of them were guilty 907 00:40:14,247 --> 00:40:18,043 {\an8}without the evidence of Irene's body. 908 00:40:18,084 --> 00:40:21,004 {\an8}That was the first time in New York City history 909 00:40:21,046 --> 00:40:23,465 {\an8}that it ever happened. 910 00:40:23,506 --> 00:40:26,134 {\an8}Before the judge delivered the sentence, 911 00:40:26,176 --> 00:40:28,053 she calls Sante Kimes 912 00:40:28,094 --> 00:40:30,221 "the most degenerate person 913 00:40:30,263 --> 00:40:33,558 who'd ever been in her courtroom." 914 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,518 She knew what we knew. 915 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:39,022 Sante Kimes was the devil in sheep's clothing. 916 00:40:39,064 --> 00:40:41,024 Following her remarks, 917 00:40:41,066 --> 00:40:43,151 Judge Uviller sentenced Sante Kimes to 918 00:40:43,193 --> 00:40:45,236 120 years in prison 919 00:40:45,278 --> 00:40:49,449 {\an8}and her son Kenny to 125 years. 920 00:40:49,491 --> 00:40:51,451 {\an8}[dramatic sting] 921 00:40:51,493 --> 00:40:54,537 {\an8}Now Los Angeles authorities wanted their turn 922 00:40:54,579 --> 00:40:56,498 for the murder of David Kazdin, 923 00:40:56,539 --> 00:40:58,833 the Kimes' former business partner. 924 00:40:58,875 --> 00:41:01,211 This time Kenny Kimes took a deal. 925 00:41:01,252 --> 00:41:05,215 The deal was that if he told everything about 926 00:41:05,256 --> 00:41:06,800 the Irene Silverman murder 927 00:41:06,841 --> 00:41:09,010 and to confess to the David Kazdin murder, 928 00:41:09,052 --> 00:41:11,846 California would take the death penalty 929 00:41:11,888 --> 00:41:15,767 off the table for him and his mother. 930 00:41:15,809 --> 00:41:20,438 I will never forget Kenny getting on the stand, 931 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,732 and he began to recount 932 00:41:22,774 --> 00:41:25,485 how he murdered Irene Silverman 933 00:41:25,527 --> 00:41:27,987 on July 5th, 1998. 934 00:41:28,029 --> 00:41:31,616 He said that his mother stun-gunned Irene. 935 00:41:31,658 --> 00:41:34,536 She fell to the floor. He choked her. 936 00:41:34,577 --> 00:41:36,037 He put her in the bathtub, 937 00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:39,040 wrapped her in that missing caramel-colored quilt, 938 00:41:39,082 --> 00:41:40,583 duct-taped her, 939 00:41:40,625 --> 00:41:42,002 put her in the trunk of his car, 940 00:41:42,043 --> 00:41:43,545 drove through the Lincoln Tunnel, 941 00:41:43,586 --> 00:41:46,339 and dumped her somewhere in Jersey. 942 00:41:46,381 --> 00:41:48,425 Unfortunately, to this day, 943 00:41:48,466 --> 00:41:53,096 Irene Silverman's body was never found. 944 00:41:53,138 --> 00:41:55,640 Frankly, I was surprised 945 00:41:55,682 --> 00:41:59,144 when I heard that he confessed. 946 00:41:59,185 --> 00:42:02,147 But Sante never confessed 947 00:42:02,188 --> 00:42:05,900 to having killed anyone, for that matter. 948 00:42:05,942 --> 00:42:08,361 ♪ ♪ 949 00:42:08,403 --> 00:42:11,906 Best of all articles relating to the Kimes 950 00:42:11,948 --> 00:42:15,869 is probably this one here. 951 00:42:15,910 --> 00:42:17,912 We knew he did it all along. 952 00:42:17,954 --> 00:42:20,331 ♪ ♪ 953 00:42:20,373 --> 00:42:22,417 Sad. 954 00:42:22,459 --> 00:42:26,296 In 2004, Kenny Kimes was sentenced to life 955 00:42:26,338 --> 00:42:28,631 without the possibility of parole. 956 00:42:28,673 --> 00:42:33,261 That same year, his mother, 79-year-old Sante Kimes, 957 00:42:33,303 --> 00:42:36,473 died in prison while serving her sentence. 958 00:42:36,514 --> 00:42:38,892 The lesson that was learned in this case to me was 959 00:42:38,933 --> 00:42:41,269 you can't judge a book by its cover. 960 00:42:41,311 --> 00:42:44,606 Sante and Kenneth Kimes presented themselves 961 00:42:44,647 --> 00:42:47,150 like the elite, like the affluent, 962 00:42:47,192 --> 00:42:51,029 and they were really the worst people that 963 00:42:51,071 --> 00:42:53,573 anyone could ever come in contact with. 964 00:42:53,615 --> 00:42:55,700 They were serial killers. 965 00:42:55,742 --> 00:42:58,870 The Kimes underestimated a couple of things here. 966 00:42:58,912 --> 00:43:01,790 They underestimated the capabilities 967 00:43:01,831 --> 00:43:04,209 of Irene Silverman. 968 00:43:04,250 --> 00:43:06,920 And they underestimated the professionalism 969 00:43:06,961 --> 00:43:08,129 and the perseverance 970 00:43:08,171 --> 00:43:09,839 of the New York City Police Department. 971 00:43:09,881 --> 00:43:11,883 They met their match. 972 00:43:11,925 --> 00:43:17,305 {\an8}♪ ♪ 973 00:43:17,347 --> 00:43:20,141 {\an8}For the first ten years after she disappeared, 974 00:43:20,183 --> 00:43:23,520 {\an8}I had this fantasy that she was gonna reappear. 975 00:43:23,561 --> 00:43:25,313 {\an8}But I gave it up. 976 00:43:25,355 --> 00:43:27,774 {\an8}I would have been wonderful if it had happened. 977 00:43:27,816 --> 00:43:29,734 {\an8}She was a special lady. 978 00:43:29,776 --> 00:43:31,111 {\an8}Here's to Irene. 979 00:43:31,152 --> 00:43:38,284 {\an8}♪ ♪ 77867

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