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In the criminal
justice system,
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detectives and prosecutors
face daunting challenges
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when money
is the motive for murder.
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[dramatic sting]
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Irene Silverman,
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82 years old,
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{\an8}last seen July 5th, 1998.
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Irene lived
on the Upper East Side.
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She's worth a lot of money.
Now she's missing.
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The disappearance
of a wealthy socialite
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grips a nation...
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This was the largest search
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that I have
ever participated in by far.
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And New York detectives
stop at nothing to find her.
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The investigation
is in full swing.
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Everyone is riveted
to this case.
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But the city faces a case
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that has never been tried
and won.
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{\an8}There was no body.
This was an uphill battle.
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No one's prepared
for how twisted
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the real story truly is.
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She was the devil
in sheep's clothing.
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She loved to lie.
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These men and women
dedicate their lives
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to law and order.
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I had nightmares about her.
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She was as dangerous
as a cobra.
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These are
their true stories.
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♪ ♪
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{\an8}[dramatic sting]
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{\an8}[dramatic music]
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{\an8}July 5th, 1998 was
a beautiful summer night.
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There were three of us working
in the detective squad.
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Around 6:00 p.m.,
the detectives were notified
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{\an8}about a missing person.
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{\an8}[siren wails]
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{\an8}The patrol officers said
that they had
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{\an8}a missing elderly woman.
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{\an8}[camera shutter snaps]
Her name was Irene Silverman.
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When the detectives
responded to
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Irene Silverman's
disappearance,
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they immediately started
conducting interviews.
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[camera shutter snaps]
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She fit the category
of special missing persons
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because of her age,
and that alarmed everyone.
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In 1998,
I was an active detective
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in the 19th precinct.
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I worked with Joe Reznick.
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He was a lieutenant
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in the 34th precinct
detective squad.
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New York City in 1998
was fairly good.
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We had come a long way
as far as crime was concerned.
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You could literally see
good changes
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throughout the city,
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all the way until July 5th,
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when I'm given this case.
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I spent 36 years
doing investigations.
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The ten-foot-tall moments
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that I've encountered
over the years,
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they're rare.
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But on July 5th,
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that's a ten-foot-tall moment.
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Irene Silverman had a staff
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of housekeepers
and personal assistants
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who were all very concerned
with her sudden disappearance.
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One person that was available
that evening
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to talk to detectives
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was a female named Aracelis,
the weekend housekeeper.
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She says that on July 5th,
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approximately 11:45
in the morning,
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she was asked by Irene
to walk the dog,
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clean some garments.
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And she went off to do
those things.
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That, in fact,
was the last time
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that Irene Silverman
was seen by any of the workers.
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They were people that Irene
had employed over the years.
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They were concerned for her.
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So they gave us
a lot of details,
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hoping that that would help us
figure out what happened.
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[phone rings]
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At about 2:20 that afternoon,
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Irene Silverman received
a phone call.
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Aracelis knocked
on Irene's door,
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but she didn't get a response.
[knocking at door]
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About 4:40 p.m.,
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Aracelis tried once again
to wake up Irene Silverman
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and then realized
she was not in her apartment.
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♪ ♪
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We see that the bedroom
is in disarray.
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We asked her
if this was typical
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of Irene Silverman
to keep her bedroom like this.
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Aracelis says,
"Absolutely not."
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Irene's
a very meticulous woman,
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keeps everything neat
and squared away.
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She also said
that Irene Silverman
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always kept a lump sum
of money in her apartment--
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approximately $10,000
in nice, crisp bills.
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That appeared to be missing.
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There was also jewelry missing
from the apartment
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and Irene Silverman's
passport.
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[indistinct radio chatter]
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She was adamant
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that something was amiss
with Irene.
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Irene never leaves
the house alone.
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She would have told
somebody where she went.
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Being a millionaire
missing from 65th Street
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in Manhattan,
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Irene Silverman's disappearance
became the top news.
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"NBC News In Depth" tonight--
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the search for a wealthy
and eccentric widow
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missing from her fashionable
New York town house.
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About 50 detectives
are dispatched city-wide.
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We go to the airports.
We're doing flight checks.
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We go to the train station,
the bus stations.
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We are looking
in every nook and cranny.
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[camera shutter snaps]
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This is the Irene I knew...
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where she's sitting
in her living room,
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her very ornately decorated
living room.
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I love this picture of her.
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She's a very sophisticated
lady, you know,
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even though she didn't act
that way.
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It's a very interesting combination
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of personality traits.
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She had no children.
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And I felt, in a way,
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like I was
her adopted daughter.
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She would regale me
with stories of her life.
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[bold jazz music]
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Irene Silverman was
a Rockette
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here in New York.
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And on October 3rd, 1941,
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she met a gentleman
named Sam Silverman.
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He was very wealthy.
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They got married and moved to
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a very up-scale section
of the city.
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♪ ♪
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Because of
her husband's wealth,
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she knew what to do
with finances,
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even after her husband
passed away.
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After Sam died,
she owned property
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in France, Hawaii,
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obviously in New York.
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A wealthy widow,
Irene kept company
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with friends, politicians,
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and well-to-do
New York society.
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Irene liked to throw
elaborate parties.
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She loved having
interesting people come,
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affluent people come.
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She was a party--I'd love to
hang out with Irene Silverman.
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I wish I was invited
to one of her parties.
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Irene would serve
very expensive champagne.
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We went to
some very posh restaurants.
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At that age, she was living
her life to the fullest.
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But Irene's
multimillion-dollar townhome
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was too big
for her to live in alone,
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so she converted
many of the rooms
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into apartments
as short-term rentals.
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Irene liked to rent
to affluent or notable people.
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One was an actor,
Daniel Day-Lewis,
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a singer, Chaka Khan.
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You had to have money
to rent a room from Irene.
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[dramatic music]
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{\an8}Interviewing everyone
connected to Irene Silverman
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{\an8}was a must in this case.
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One of the staff members
who we were unable to locate
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{\an8}was a male
by the name of Menji.
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{\an8}We wanted to find Menji,
because after she disappeared,
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{\an8}he went right to Atlanta--
what he said was a vacation.
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That was suspicious to us
at the time.
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A fellow like Menji
becomes interesting
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because we learn
that he had access
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to some of Irene Silverman's
financial records.
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He was guiding her
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on some
of her financial business.
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Definitely heightened us
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to really want
to question him.
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We start tracking them down.
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The search continued
until we find Irene Silverman.
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{\an8}[dramatic sting]
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{\an8}Irene Silverman...
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very rarely leaves
her residence.
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It seems like she disappeared
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under suspicious circumstances
on 7/5.
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We got to figure out
what went on
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over at 20 East 65th Street.
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♪ ♪
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We search
the neighboring buildings.
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We try to recover video
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that might have been
on the block.
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We search the house
high and low.
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Inside Irene's office,
we find a sketch
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of what appeared to be a male.
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And, of course, we didn't know
who he was.
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It depicted just basic
characteristics of a person,
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but we were told
that she had drawn that picture
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because she was skeptical
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of the tenant
in apartment 1B--
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a man named Manny Guerrin.
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For Irene Silverman
to draw up a sketch
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two weeks prior
to when she disappeared
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definitely heightened us
to really want to look at him.
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{\an8}[dramatic sting]
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Manny was a businessman
from West Palm Beach.
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He was able to rent
the apartment from Irene
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through her butcher.
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Apparently the butcher
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told him about the apartments
that Irene rents,
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so he had a good reference,
knew somebody that she knew.
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And Manny paid her
$6,000 up front
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to rent a room.
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The staff told us that Irene
was suspicious of him
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from day one
that he rented the apartment.
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There was just something
about him
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that gave her an ill feeling.
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Irene Silverman
also had cameras
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throughout her building.
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She found it strange
that he would elude
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the cameras that she had.
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He'd walk up against the wall,
out of sight.
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The staff also told us
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that she would see him
standing at the door.
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She'd see his feet
through the bottom of the door.
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She'd see him looking
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out the peephole
of the apartment,
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observing her.
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{\an8}[fireworks popping]
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The night of Fourth of July,
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Irene Silverman had a party,
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where she had a discussion
with one of her assistants
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in regards to evicting
Manny Guerrin.
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Their plan was,
is just to serve him
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with an eviction letter
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and to get him
out of the building.
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[train horn blares]
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But the next day,
Irene Silverman had vanished.
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The sketch,
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the apartment
being in disarray,
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her leaving
without telling anyone...
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♪ ♪
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Now we have ourselves
a mystery on our hands.
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{\an8}It was frightening.
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{\an8}- [camera shutter snaps]
- There was a stun gun box,
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{\an8}wigs, Mace,
and plastic handcuffs.
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{\an8}This is the anatomy
of a frame-up.
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{\an8}They underestimated
the perseverance
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{\an8}of the New York City
Police Department.
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{\an8}Detectives were searching
for two people of interest
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{\an8}in the missing-persons case
of socialite Irene Silverman--
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{\an8}her tenant Manny Guerrin
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{\an8}and her personal assistant
Menji Melis.
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{\an8}[dramatic sting]
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{\an8}Menji was down in Atlanta,
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{\an8}but we were able
to contact him.
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{\an8}So he immediately flew
back to New York.
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While questioning Menji,
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he offered for us to look
at his financial records.
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He was very forthcoming
with all his answers
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and everything he told us.
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{\an8}After speaking to Menji,
it was just a matter
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{\an8}of checking out
what he had said.
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We concluded
he has nothing to do
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with Irene Silverman's
disappearance.
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Don't forget--
we were counting hours here.
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We're also tracking down
this guy Manny Guerrin.
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When you look at everything,
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like that sketch
that Irene prepared
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or the strange feelings
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that Irene Silverman
had about them,
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he was a suspect.
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As the investigation
is unfolding,
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we determine that we have
to get into apartment 1B,
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which was
Manny Guerrin's apartment.
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We needed to know,
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was Irene Silverman
in that apartment?
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We get into the apartment.
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We notice
that the bed was stripped,
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and one of the quilts
was missing.
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In the garbage,
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they found some
rolled-up used duct tape.
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There were
some black plastic bags
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that were present in a box,
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and either five
or six bags were missing.
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[dramatic music]
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Add that to all
these other comments
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made by the people
in the building,
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Manny Guerrin
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went from being
a person of interest
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to a suspect in this case.
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Now we know
what we need to do.
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Let's find him.
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During the search
for Manny Guerrin,
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investigators discovered
that he wasn't
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the only resident
in apartment 1B.
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Accompanying Manny Guerrin,
there was a female,
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{\an8}possibly in her 60s or so.
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{\an8}She used the name Eve or Eva.
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Some of the information
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we obtained during the investigation
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was that this woman
was living with Manny
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in apartment 1B.
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She was an older woman,
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and Manny Guerrin said that
that woman was his assistant.
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We don't know exactly
what role this woman played,
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but we needed to talk to her.
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Detectives knew that
with each hour that went by,
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the hope of finding
Irene alive diminished.
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{\an8}[dramatic sting]
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{\an8}[distant sirens wail]
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{\an8}You know, there's thousands
of people missing
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here in New York City.
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And press conferences are great
because you get the publicity.
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So Monday night I conducted
a press conference.
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And I was able
to show the sketch
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that was prepared by the
witnesses earlier in the day.
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{\an8}Irene Silverman
was in good health,
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{\an8}both physically and mentally.
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However, she would never
leave her residence
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without one of her workers.
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The disappearance
is highly uncharacteristic
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of the victim.
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The whereabouts
of Irene Silverman
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remains a mystery.
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Authorities have also
increased the reward money
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{\an8}to $10,000,
327
00:14:22,696 --> 00:14:24,781
{\an8}and they're asking
anyone with information
328
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{\an8}to call Crime Stoppers.
329
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{\an8}After the press conference,
the FBI called us
330
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{\an8}and said, "Listen, you better
get down here.
331
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{\an8}We think we have something
that you are looking for."
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{\an8}[dramatic sting]
333
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{\an8}♪ ♪
334
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While we were searching
for Irene Silverman,
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the regional joint task force,
336
00:14:45,218 --> 00:14:46,553
which is
with different departments,
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arrested Sante and Kenny Kimes
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based on a warrant
that was issued in Utah.
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Sante and Kenneth Kimes
were a mother and son.
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They were wanted for an arson
and insurance-fraud case.
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When Kenny Kimes was searched,
they found identification
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and an American Express
credit card...
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in the name if Irene Silverman.
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♪ ♪
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When they searched Sante,
they find $10,000 cash.
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They asked her
what that money was.
347
00:15:20,378 --> 00:15:22,505
She said, "That's nothing.
That was just travel money."
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00:15:24,174 --> 00:15:26,259
Detectives
were very alarmed.
349
00:15:26,301 --> 00:15:29,346
Sante and Kenny Kimes
had Irene's credit card
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and cash in the same amount
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{\an8}that was missing
from Irene's townhome.
352
00:15:34,059 --> 00:15:36,436
{\an8}And they fit a description
of the suspicious tenants
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{\an8}from apartment 1B--
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{\an8}Manny Guerrin
and his assistant Eva.
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During the interview,
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we tried to take
a gentle approach.
357
00:15:44,819 --> 00:15:46,529
And we appealed
to her sense of humanity,
358
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saying, "Listen, Irene's
an older woman,
359
00:15:48,531 --> 00:15:50,533
"a little bit older than you.
360
00:15:50,575 --> 00:15:52,786
"She's very frail.
She can still be alive.
361
00:15:52,827 --> 00:15:54,662
"You still might be able
to save her.
362
00:15:54,704 --> 00:15:56,748
You still might be able
to save yourself."
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It didn't go anywhere.
364
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She said, "Well, she could be
out walking her dog.
365
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"Maybe she fell.
366
00:16:02,712 --> 00:16:04,255
"Maybe she's laying
in an alley somewhere
367
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"down some steps
and she's passed out.
368
00:16:06,716 --> 00:16:09,511
Why are you wasting your time
with me?"
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00:16:09,552 --> 00:16:12,263
Kenny denied knowing her.
He denied anything about her.
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00:16:12,305 --> 00:16:15,100
We asked, "Well, why was the ID
found on you?"
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And he kept saying, "What ID?
What are you talking about?"
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Denying it.
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Kenny also had a knife,
brass knuckles,
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and two sets of keys.
375
00:16:24,901 --> 00:16:29,656
One set of those keys were,
in fact, Irene Silverman's.
376
00:16:30,657 --> 00:16:32,617
We asked,
"Why was her apartment keys
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00:16:32,659 --> 00:16:33,827
found on you?"
378
00:16:33,868 --> 00:16:36,871
And he kept saying,
"What apartment keys?"
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00:16:36,913 --> 00:16:41,584
Everything seemed to connect
Kenny to Irene's apartment.
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00:16:41,626 --> 00:16:43,628
It was at that point
we believed
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00:16:43,670 --> 00:16:46,089
Kenny was the person
renting apartment 1B
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from Irene Silverman
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00:16:47,507 --> 00:16:50,593
under the name
of Manny Guerrin.
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00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,264
Detectives believed
that they had finally located
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00:16:54,305 --> 00:16:55,557
the primary suspect
386
00:16:55,598 --> 00:16:57,642
in Irene Silverman's
disappearance.
387
00:16:57,684 --> 00:16:59,728
Hoping to find Irene alive,
388
00:16:59,769 --> 00:17:02,439
they try to cut a deal
for information.
389
00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:03,982
I said, "It's time for you
to fess up.
390
00:17:04,024 --> 00:17:07,569
You can help us find
Irene Silverman."
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00:17:07,610 --> 00:17:09,946
Kenny started to break
and well up in tears.
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00:17:09,988 --> 00:17:11,114
We had him.
393
00:17:11,156 --> 00:17:12,615
I thought
he was gonna start talking
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and we were gonna have
the answers
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00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:15,452
that we've been looking for.
396
00:17:15,493 --> 00:17:18,455
All of a sudden,
he turned to stone...
397
00:17:18,496 --> 00:17:21,124
and the tears went away
very quickly,
398
00:17:21,166 --> 00:17:23,960
and he requested
an attorney at that time.
399
00:17:30,592 --> 00:17:31,301
{\an8}While NYPD patrol units
400
00:17:32,427 --> 00:17:34,596
{\an8}search the city
for Irene Silverman,
401
00:17:34,637 --> 00:17:36,264
{\an8}detectives continue to learn
402
00:17:36,306 --> 00:17:38,350
{\an8}more about their
primary suspects--
403
00:17:38,391 --> 00:17:41,019
{\an8}Sante Kimes and her son Kenny.
404
00:17:41,061 --> 00:17:43,438
{\an8}[dramatic sting]
405
00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,815
{\an8}[train rattling]
406
00:17:45,857 --> 00:17:49,486
[dramatic music]
407
00:17:49,527 --> 00:17:52,530
As far as the investigation
was concerned,
408
00:17:52,572 --> 00:17:55,909
{\an8}we have two suspects
possibly in custody.
409
00:17:55,950 --> 00:17:59,871
{\an8}It's a matter of figuring out
how they're connected.
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00:17:59,913 --> 00:18:02,999
Our concentration
was on Irene Silverman.
411
00:18:03,041 --> 00:18:06,127
Where was she?
What did they do with her?
412
00:18:06,169 --> 00:18:08,797
And who is this Kimes family?
413
00:18:08,838 --> 00:18:11,049
Sante Kimes comes
from money.
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00:18:11,091 --> 00:18:14,886
{\an8}In the '70s, she married
a man named Ken Kimes Sr.
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00:18:14,928 --> 00:18:18,014
We learned
that he was a hotel developer.
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00:18:18,056 --> 00:18:19,974
He was a millionaire.
417
00:18:20,016 --> 00:18:22,769
Sante and Kenneth Kimes
had so much money,
418
00:18:22,811 --> 00:18:24,896
they bought property in Hawaii
419
00:18:24,938 --> 00:18:27,273
in one
of the most expensive areas,
420
00:18:27,315 --> 00:18:30,068
in addition to homes
in Las Vegas.
421
00:18:30,110 --> 00:18:31,945
In 1975,
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00:18:31,986 --> 00:18:34,948
they had a son
they named Kenny Jr.
423
00:18:34,989 --> 00:18:37,075
Kenny Kimes,
while being brought up,
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00:18:37,117 --> 00:18:38,660
had the best of everything.
425
00:18:38,702 --> 00:18:41,037
He had private tutors.
He lived in elaborate homes.
426
00:18:41,079 --> 00:18:43,498
He had housekeepers.
He had nannies.
427
00:18:43,540 --> 00:18:45,583
They had plenty of money.
428
00:18:45,625 --> 00:18:48,420
This just wasn't enough
for Sante.
429
00:18:48,461 --> 00:18:50,880
We had done background checks.
430
00:18:50,922 --> 00:18:53,591
One in particular is called
a Triple I check,
431
00:18:53,633 --> 00:18:56,845
where they check other states
for criminal histories.
432
00:18:56,886 --> 00:18:58,680
{\an8}And what we discovered
about Sante
433
00:18:58,722 --> 00:19:00,348
{\an8}was that she had, in fact,
434
00:19:00,390 --> 00:19:04,436
{\an8}approximately 12 prior arrests.
435
00:19:04,477 --> 00:19:06,604
In Washington, D.C.,
436
00:19:06,646 --> 00:19:10,316
Sante and Ken Sr.
were at some elaborate party,
437
00:19:10,358 --> 00:19:11,860
and she happened
to have stolen
438
00:19:11,901 --> 00:19:13,695
a fur coat from the coatroom,
439
00:19:13,737 --> 00:19:15,488
and she was arrested for that.
440
00:19:15,530 --> 00:19:17,532
She also served
three years in prison
441
00:19:17,574 --> 00:19:20,785
for kidnapping back in 1986.
442
00:19:20,827 --> 00:19:24,122
She held one
of her housekeepers captive
443
00:19:24,164 --> 00:19:26,374
in her house in Hawaii.
444
00:19:27,876 --> 00:19:31,254
Kenny Kimes Sr.
had a distrust for her,
445
00:19:31,296 --> 00:19:35,383
but divorce was never
either of their intentions.
446
00:19:35,425 --> 00:19:38,094
In 1994, he does pass away,
447
00:19:38,136 --> 00:19:41,556
and Sante inherits
all of his wealth.
448
00:19:43,224 --> 00:19:46,478
NYPD was confident
Sante and Kenny Kimes
449
00:19:46,519 --> 00:19:48,563
were behind
Irene's disappearance.
450
00:19:48,605 --> 00:19:50,648
But despite having them
in custody,
451
00:19:50,690 --> 00:19:53,318
investigators had a problem.
452
00:19:53,360 --> 00:19:55,862
Both the FBI and the LAPD
453
00:19:55,904 --> 00:19:58,948
wanted the Kimes
for their own investigations.
454
00:19:58,990 --> 00:20:01,117
We found out
that they were both wanted
455
00:20:01,159 --> 00:20:04,871
in a homicide from LA
for a man named David Kazdin.
456
00:20:04,913 --> 00:20:07,791
David Kazdin was
actually a business associate
457
00:20:07,832 --> 00:20:09,501
with Sante and Kenneth Kimes.
458
00:20:09,542 --> 00:20:12,170
They were involved
in some real-estate fraud.
459
00:20:12,212 --> 00:20:13,922
He wanted out.
460
00:20:13,963 --> 00:20:17,717
An approximate $210,000 loan
was taken out
461
00:20:17,759 --> 00:20:21,137
on his property
without him knowing it.
462
00:20:21,179 --> 00:20:24,724
And then on March 14 of 1998,
463
00:20:24,766 --> 00:20:29,437
his body was discovered
in a dumpster at LAX airport.
464
00:20:31,189 --> 00:20:32,899
[train horn blares]
465
00:20:32,941 --> 00:20:35,360
We knew
that we had to move quick
466
00:20:35,402 --> 00:20:36,695
to develop our case
467
00:20:36,736 --> 00:20:39,864
before the Kimeses
were extradited back to L.A.
468
00:20:39,906 --> 00:20:41,866
We had to really make friends
469
00:20:41,908 --> 00:20:44,869
so there wouldn't be
any jurisdictional problems.
470
00:20:46,162 --> 00:20:49,290
LAPD agreed to suspend
their investigation
471
00:20:49,332 --> 00:20:53,378
while New York detectives
searched for Irene.
472
00:20:53,420 --> 00:20:55,922
We had a lot of work to do.
473
00:20:55,964 --> 00:20:58,800
Inspector Reznick wanted us
to find Irene Silverman.
474
00:20:58,842 --> 00:21:01,386
By some remote chance,
she might be alive.
475
00:21:01,428 --> 00:21:04,973
So he creates a task force
of about 20 detectives.
476
00:21:05,015 --> 00:21:07,517
We are dubbed
the Silver Task Force.
477
00:21:07,559 --> 00:21:09,644
{\an8}[dramatic sting]
478
00:21:09,686 --> 00:21:12,272
{\an8}[indistinct chatter,
telephones ringing]
479
00:21:12,313 --> 00:21:15,233
{\an8}We held our very first
meeting in the war room.
480
00:21:15,275 --> 00:21:17,193
{\an8}♪ ♪
481
00:21:17,235 --> 00:21:19,237
There was a picture
of Irene Silverman
482
00:21:19,279 --> 00:21:20,905
in the war room.
483
00:21:20,947 --> 00:21:23,908
As a task force
and as detectives and humans,
484
00:21:23,950 --> 00:21:27,871
we all felt that we needed
to solve this case.
485
00:21:27,912 --> 00:21:30,707
This could have been anyone's
grandmother or mother.
486
00:21:30,749 --> 00:21:32,208
We were all very invested
487
00:21:32,250 --> 00:21:35,920
in doing whatever we had to do
to solve this case.
488
00:21:35,962 --> 00:21:38,631
It was very obvious to us
we had two objectives.
489
00:21:38,673 --> 00:21:41,468
One of them was to find
Irene Silverman,
490
00:21:41,509 --> 00:21:43,428
{\an8}and the second one
was to prove
491
00:21:43,470 --> 00:21:45,138
{\an8}that Sante and Kenny Kimes
492
00:21:45,180 --> 00:21:47,682
{\an8}were responsible
for her disappearance.
493
00:21:49,309 --> 00:21:51,019
Detectives look back
at the evidence
494
00:21:51,061 --> 00:21:53,313
found on Kenny and Sante Kimes
495
00:21:53,355 --> 00:21:56,191
and discover a parking stub
for a garage
496
00:21:56,232 --> 00:21:57,692
in Midtown Manhattan.
497
00:21:57,734 --> 00:21:59,861
♪ ♪
498
00:21:59,903 --> 00:22:02,614
They recovered
Sante and Kenny's car,
499
00:22:02,655 --> 00:22:04,783
for which a warrant
had been issued.
500
00:22:04,824 --> 00:22:07,369
It became instrumental.
[camera shutter snaps]
501
00:22:07,410 --> 00:22:09,245
For approximately 30 hours,
502
00:22:09,287 --> 00:22:13,625
a continuous search took place
by the Crime Scene Unit.
503
00:22:13,667 --> 00:22:15,126
The garage was hot.
504
00:22:15,168 --> 00:22:17,379
And there was
a lot of things in that car.
505
00:22:17,420 --> 00:22:20,590
It was a grueling day
in the basement of that garage.
506
00:22:20,632 --> 00:22:21,883
{\an8}Some of the items
507
00:22:21,925 --> 00:22:23,510
{\an8}that were recovered
from the car--
508
00:22:23,551 --> 00:22:25,762
{\an8}there was a stun gun box.
509
00:22:25,804 --> 00:22:27,138
{\an8}Stun gun was missing,
510
00:22:27,180 --> 00:22:29,557
but the box was there,
and the receipt was there.
511
00:22:29,599 --> 00:22:33,353
One of the things we found
was a caramel-color suitcase.
512
00:22:33,395 --> 00:22:36,815
Inside the suitcase
was a 9-millimeter handgun
513
00:22:36,856 --> 00:22:39,150
which had 15 bullets
in the magazine.
514
00:22:39,192 --> 00:22:41,861
There was also $22,000
in cash,
515
00:22:41,903 --> 00:22:45,949
unused syringes,
and disposable gloves.
516
00:22:45,990 --> 00:22:49,369
In the trunk, police find
an empty duffel bag,
517
00:22:49,411 --> 00:22:51,996
big enough to hide a body.
518
00:22:52,038 --> 00:22:55,417
They also find
a mason jar of liquid.
519
00:22:55,458 --> 00:22:58,336
It was sent to the lab and
determined to be "roofilin,"
520
00:22:58,378 --> 00:23:00,505
which is a knockout drug.
521
00:23:00,547 --> 00:23:04,342
♪ ♪
522
00:23:04,384 --> 00:23:08,680
Adding all this now
to what we've had so far,
523
00:23:08,722 --> 00:23:10,515
we came to our conclusion
524
00:23:10,557 --> 00:23:13,059
that Irene Silverman
was murdered.
525
00:23:19,691 --> 00:23:20,316
{\an8}Evidence discovered
526
00:23:21,651 --> 00:23:23,737
{\an8}in Sante and Kenny Kimes'
Lincoln Continental
527
00:23:23,778 --> 00:23:26,114
{\an8}led New York detectives
to believe
528
00:23:26,156 --> 00:23:28,324
{\an8}they were no longer investigating
529
00:23:28,366 --> 00:23:30,160
{\an8}a missing-persons case.
530
00:23:30,201 --> 00:23:32,454
{\an8}[dramatic sting]
531
00:23:32,495 --> 00:23:34,956
{\an8}Everything now pointed
to Irene Silverman
532
00:23:34,998 --> 00:23:38,376
{\an8}having been killed
and disposed of by the Kimes.
533
00:23:38,418 --> 00:23:41,588
{\an8}The need to find her body
created new urgency
534
00:23:41,629 --> 00:23:43,214
{\an8}for proving a murder case.
535
00:23:43,256 --> 00:23:45,717
{\an8}We wanted to establish
a timeline
536
00:23:45,759 --> 00:23:47,719
{\an8}of when Irene was killed.
537
00:23:47,761 --> 00:23:49,512
The parking attendant
assured us
538
00:23:49,554 --> 00:23:53,266
that the car was checked in
on June 14th at 11:02 a.m.
539
00:23:53,308 --> 00:23:56,269
It was not moved
until July 4th.
540
00:23:58,813 --> 00:24:00,482
So we could
kind of narrow down,
541
00:24:00,523 --> 00:24:03,151
he took her out of the building
on July 5th,
542
00:24:03,193 --> 00:24:07,280
from 11:45 a.m.
to 2:20 p.m....
543
00:24:07,322 --> 00:24:09,032
and then he dumped her.
544
00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:13,036
Given that it was
a holiday weekend,
545
00:24:13,078 --> 00:24:14,996
streets were sort of desolate.
546
00:24:15,038 --> 00:24:18,083
{\an8}This provided Kenny
the ideal opportunity
547
00:24:18,124 --> 00:24:20,126
{\an8}to just walk that body out.
548
00:24:20,168 --> 00:24:22,504
Lifted up the duffel bag,
put it into the trunk,
549
00:24:22,545 --> 00:24:27,008
and then ransacked
Irene Silverman's apartment.
550
00:24:27,050 --> 00:24:30,387
We're getting
a lot of media attention.
551
00:24:30,428 --> 00:24:33,139
New York City Police
Department has a tips hotline.
552
00:24:33,181 --> 00:24:35,100
And day after day,
they'd call us and say,
553
00:24:35,141 --> 00:24:37,102
"Here, we got another one
for you."
554
00:24:37,143 --> 00:24:38,353
Dozens of police officers
555
00:24:38,395 --> 00:24:40,313
combed the perimeter
of Central Park.
556
00:24:40,355 --> 00:24:44,401
Their search for clues
gained in intensity.
557
00:24:44,442 --> 00:24:48,321
We searched the Meadowlands
in New Jersey based on a tip.
558
00:24:48,363 --> 00:24:52,075
We searched it by ground,
and we searched it by air.
559
00:24:52,117 --> 00:24:54,661
Detectives also were sent
to go through garbage
560
00:24:54,703 --> 00:24:56,246
at garbage dumps,
561
00:24:56,287 --> 00:24:58,248
because we thought
at that point
562
00:24:58,289 --> 00:25:00,959
that Irene Silverman
was dumped in a dumpster.
563
00:25:01,001 --> 00:25:03,086
So we had
probably about 50 detectives
564
00:25:03,128 --> 00:25:05,839
raking through garbage
looking for Irene.
565
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,174
Despite
the massive search effort,
566
00:25:08,216 --> 00:25:10,593
investigators were unable
to locate
567
00:25:10,635 --> 00:25:12,470
Irene Silverman's remains.
568
00:25:12,512 --> 00:25:16,516
Meanwhile, Sante Kimes
began her own media campaign
569
00:25:16,558 --> 00:25:18,601
from her prison cell
570
00:25:18,643 --> 00:25:21,354
by hiring a production team
to push her own narrative.
571
00:25:21,396 --> 00:25:23,023
It is my great pleasure
572
00:25:23,064 --> 00:25:25,817
to introduce
my beloved attorneys,
573
00:25:25,859 --> 00:25:27,819
who are champions of justice--
574
00:25:27,861 --> 00:25:30,905
Mel Sachs. and this is
Matthew Weissman.
575
00:25:30,947 --> 00:25:33,283
We will have other attorneys
probably helping us.
576
00:25:33,324 --> 00:25:35,326
Sante was doing
press conferences
577
00:25:35,368 --> 00:25:38,329
{\an8}out of the prison
like she was getting ready
578
00:25:38,371 --> 00:25:39,497
{\an8}to do a stage performance
579
00:25:39,539 --> 00:25:42,876
{\an8}as opposed to defending
for her life.
580
00:25:42,917 --> 00:25:44,627
Michael Hardy
was an associate
581
00:25:44,669 --> 00:25:47,547
of civil rights activist
Reverend Al Sharpton.
582
00:25:47,589 --> 00:25:50,800
And Sante wanted him
on her defense team.
583
00:25:50,842 --> 00:25:53,845
I got involved
when I received letters
584
00:25:53,887 --> 00:25:55,597
from Sante.
585
00:25:55,638 --> 00:25:58,892
"I really need you."
"We are being prosecuted."
586
00:25:58,933 --> 00:26:00,769
"Our rights
are being violated."
587
00:26:00,810 --> 00:26:04,522
She was appealing
to my instincts, if you will.
588
00:26:04,564 --> 00:26:07,942
And eventually I decided
to say yes.
589
00:26:07,984 --> 00:26:11,446
After she hired
Michael Hardy and Mel Sachs,
590
00:26:11,488 --> 00:26:13,990
her defense attorneys
hold press conferences
591
00:26:14,032 --> 00:26:15,909
accusing the NYPD
592
00:26:15,950 --> 00:26:18,078
of setting up
Sante and Kenneth Kimes,
593
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:19,662
framing them
for the disappearance
594
00:26:19,704 --> 00:26:20,914
of Irene Silverman.
595
00:26:20,955 --> 00:26:22,248
They're not being charged
596
00:26:22,290 --> 00:26:23,958
{\an8}with murder
or anything of that nature.
597
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,753
{\an8}It's solely
a warrant from Utah,
598
00:26:26,795 --> 00:26:27,962
{\an8}and that's it.
599
00:26:28,004 --> 00:26:30,590
{\an8}This was a way
of detaining them
600
00:26:30,632 --> 00:26:31,841
{\an8}and holding them.
601
00:26:31,883 --> 00:26:35,261
This is the anatomy
of a frame-up.
602
00:26:35,303 --> 00:26:38,223
{\an8}The little woman
who has disappeared,
603
00:26:38,264 --> 00:26:40,684
{\an8}if anything
has ever happened to her,
604
00:26:40,725 --> 00:26:43,645
{\an8}it's on the hands
of the police.
605
00:26:43,687 --> 00:26:45,105
To prove her innocence,
606
00:26:45,146 --> 00:26:47,273
Sante hired
private investigators
607
00:26:47,315 --> 00:26:50,068
Larry Frost
and Clarissa McNair.
608
00:26:50,110 --> 00:26:52,112
My name is Clarissa McNair.
609
00:26:52,153 --> 00:26:55,031
I became
her private detective.
610
00:26:55,073 --> 00:26:57,909
I got a lot of flak
for taking on this case.
611
00:26:57,951 --> 00:27:01,121
But it was
my first murder case,
612
00:27:01,162 --> 00:27:05,625
and I think everyone
is entitled to a good defense.
613
00:27:05,667 --> 00:27:07,335
If a lawyer were there,
614
00:27:07,377 --> 00:27:09,838
she would tell him
a certain story.
615
00:27:09,879 --> 00:27:11,965
Another lawyer might come
for 20 minutes,
616
00:27:12,007 --> 00:27:13,299
and they'd talk.
617
00:27:13,341 --> 00:27:16,052
She'd tell him
an entirely different version
618
00:27:16,094 --> 00:27:17,470
of the story.
619
00:27:17,512 --> 00:27:19,681
And I'd say,
"Sante, what are you doing?
620
00:27:19,723 --> 00:27:21,141
"We're on your side.
621
00:27:21,182 --> 00:27:23,101
You're confusing everybody."
622
00:27:23,143 --> 00:27:25,145
And she'd say,
"They believe me.
623
00:27:25,186 --> 00:27:26,938
It's my way of having fun."
624
00:27:26,980 --> 00:27:30,775
She loved to lie.
625
00:27:30,817 --> 00:27:33,945
{\an8}[dramatic sting]
626
00:27:33,987 --> 00:27:35,780
On July 23rd,
627
00:27:35,822 --> 00:27:37,907
detectives intercepted
a phone conversation
628
00:27:37,949 --> 00:27:40,827
between Sante and one
of her private investigators,
629
00:27:40,869 --> 00:27:42,537
Larry Frost.
630
00:27:42,579 --> 00:27:44,497
Sante needed a favor.
631
00:27:44,539 --> 00:27:45,999
{\an8}What she didn't realize
632
00:27:46,041 --> 00:27:49,169
{\an8}was that all
of her jailhouse conversations
633
00:27:49,210 --> 00:27:51,004
{\an8}were being monitored.
634
00:27:51,046 --> 00:27:53,006
{\an8}Sante asked
her private investigator
635
00:27:53,048 --> 00:27:54,299
{\an8}to go to the Plaza Hotel
636
00:27:54,341 --> 00:27:56,634
{\an8}to retrieve a bag
that she had checked there.
637
00:27:56,676 --> 00:27:58,720
Unbeknownst to the private investigator,
638
00:27:58,762 --> 00:28:00,347
we had a wiretap on the phone,
639
00:28:00,388 --> 00:28:03,183
and we intercepted
this information.
640
00:28:03,224 --> 00:28:05,352
Once he retrieved the bag,
641
00:28:05,393 --> 00:28:08,688
the authorities
were there waiting.
642
00:28:08,730 --> 00:28:11,066
What became critical
about finding that bag
643
00:28:11,107 --> 00:28:12,817
was the contents.
644
00:28:12,859 --> 00:28:16,905
And those contents included
a .22-caliber handgun
645
00:28:16,946 --> 00:28:19,282
that was wrapped
in a white turban,
646
00:28:19,324 --> 00:28:21,951
forged social security cards,
647
00:28:21,993 --> 00:28:25,163
15 notebooks, wigs, Mace,
648
00:28:25,205 --> 00:28:27,207
and plastic handcuffs.
649
00:28:27,248 --> 00:28:28,708
{\an8}There were
birth certificates
650
00:28:28,750 --> 00:28:29,918
{\an8}for Manny Guerrin,
651
00:28:29,959 --> 00:28:33,046
{\an8}for Kenny Kimes, for Sante--
652
00:28:33,088 --> 00:28:37,050
all sorts of documents
that were incriminating.
653
00:28:37,092 --> 00:28:38,426
Other important items
654
00:28:38,468 --> 00:28:41,429
included these
spiral notebooks.
655
00:28:41,471 --> 00:28:44,557
One page had a list of items.
656
00:28:44,599 --> 00:28:48,353
It included a shower curtain,
rope, tape,
657
00:28:48,395 --> 00:28:52,649
which was most of the evidence
recovered from apartment 1B.
658
00:28:52,691 --> 00:28:56,486
They also find a folder
that said, "Final dynasty,"
659
00:28:56,528 --> 00:28:59,280
which was a key piece
of evidence.
660
00:28:59,322 --> 00:29:03,159
Inside was the deed
of Irene Silverman's mansion.
661
00:29:03,201 --> 00:29:05,954
♪ ♪
662
00:29:05,995 --> 00:29:08,248
The paperwork said
that Irene sold
663
00:29:08,289 --> 00:29:11,292
her very, very expensive
$10 million town house
664
00:29:11,334 --> 00:29:15,630
for only $300,000
to an offshore account
665
00:29:15,672 --> 00:29:18,508
which had the name
The Atlantic Group.
666
00:29:18,550 --> 00:29:21,428
It was forged.
It all looked bad.
667
00:29:21,469 --> 00:29:23,430
It was the evidence
detectives needed
668
00:29:23,471 --> 00:29:26,433
to secure a motive
in Irene's murder.
669
00:29:26,474 --> 00:29:30,311
Knowing Sante's history
of obtaining money,
670
00:29:30,353 --> 00:29:33,815
the plot was, kill Irene,
take over the town house,
671
00:29:33,857 --> 00:29:35,817
move the money to
an offshore account,
672
00:29:35,859 --> 00:29:38,028
and then dump her
somewhere in Jersey.
673
00:29:38,069 --> 00:29:40,780
♪ ♪
674
00:29:40,822 --> 00:29:43,700
{\an8}On December 16th, 1998,
675
00:29:43,742 --> 00:29:46,036
{\an8}the mother-son duo
were indicted
676
00:29:46,077 --> 00:29:48,371
{\an8}on 84 counts,
677
00:29:48,413 --> 00:29:50,498
{\an8}which included
a second-degree murder,
678
00:29:50,540 --> 00:29:54,252
{\an8}burglary, robbery,
as well as fraud.
679
00:29:54,294 --> 00:29:56,588
But there was
no direct evidence--
680
00:29:56,629 --> 00:30:00,050
no DNA, no fingerprints,
none of that.
681
00:30:00,091 --> 00:30:03,762
This was
a pure circumstantial case,
682
00:30:03,803 --> 00:30:07,182
and prosecutors knew
they had an uphill battle.
683
00:30:16,775 --> 00:30:17,359
{\an8}Okay, just relax.
684
00:30:18,568 --> 00:30:20,779
{\an8}And then the pauses
are really great.
685
00:30:20,820 --> 00:30:21,905
{\an8}They're essential.
686
00:30:21,946 --> 00:30:23,198
{\an8}[exhales deeply]
687
00:30:23,239 --> 00:30:25,075
{\an8}Just relax, Ken.
688
00:30:25,116 --> 00:30:28,161
{\an8}Hello, my name is
Kenneth Kimes.
689
00:30:29,371 --> 00:30:31,206
{\an8}You don't really know me.
690
00:30:31,247 --> 00:30:32,832
{\an8}You may think you know me.
691
00:30:32,874 --> 00:30:35,710
{\an8}You may think you know
my mother, but you don't.
692
00:30:35,752 --> 00:30:37,253
{\an8}We are innocent.
693
00:30:37,295 --> 00:30:41,383
♪ ♪
694
00:30:41,424 --> 00:30:44,260
{\an8}There were lots of stories
about Sante and Kenny.
695
00:30:44,302 --> 00:30:47,514
{\an8}The tabloids had a field day.
696
00:30:47,555 --> 00:30:49,391
{\an8}She would often call
the press,
697
00:30:49,432 --> 00:30:52,060
{\an8}try to give statements
to various newspapers.
698
00:30:52,102 --> 00:30:54,229
{\an8}Sante was a celebrity.
699
00:30:54,270 --> 00:30:56,815
{\an8}I mean, she literally used to
have reporters
700
00:30:56,856 --> 00:31:00,235
{\an8}come up to her cell
and be giving interviews.
701
00:31:00,276 --> 00:31:02,904
{\an8}We're innocent,
and if just given our rights,
702
00:31:02,946 --> 00:31:04,531
{\an8}we will prove it.
703
00:31:04,572 --> 00:31:08,660
Sante Kimes was
practically Meryl Streep.
704
00:31:08,702 --> 00:31:12,247
Her eyes could fill with tears
in a second.
705
00:31:12,288 --> 00:31:14,124
This case is different,
like you said,
706
00:31:14,165 --> 00:31:15,667
in that they don't have
any evidence.
707
00:31:15,709 --> 00:31:17,585
- This case should have...
- We will show that...
708
00:31:17,627 --> 00:31:19,421
- Never even been--
- At trial, Sante.
709
00:31:19,462 --> 00:31:21,423
If you're gonna defend someone
710
00:31:21,464 --> 00:31:23,299
who's being accused of murder,
711
00:31:23,341 --> 00:31:27,053
I do not want my client
doing daily interviews
712
00:31:27,095 --> 00:31:28,638
about the case.
713
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,850
But Sante continuously
neglected to take
714
00:31:31,891 --> 00:31:33,476
the advice of her attorneys.
715
00:31:33,518 --> 00:31:37,063
{\an8}The reason why we're doing
this before trial is because
716
00:31:37,105 --> 00:31:40,608
{\an8}of the unfair portrayal
that's been given about us.
717
00:31:40,650 --> 00:31:41,943
{\an8}I mean, I've even
heard rumors about
718
00:31:41,985 --> 00:31:45,030
{\an8}how I don't love my mother,
how I hate her.
719
00:31:45,071 --> 00:31:48,241
{\an8}The media has portrayed us
totally like we are not.
720
00:31:48,283 --> 00:31:50,201
{\an8}We're just a mother and son.
721
00:31:50,243 --> 00:31:53,038
{\an8}Essentially, what Sante
was attempting to do
722
00:31:53,079 --> 00:31:55,707
{\an8}is gain some sort of sympathy.
723
00:31:55,749 --> 00:31:59,836
{\an8}You are talking about
potential jurors
724
00:31:59,878 --> 00:32:03,340
{\an8}reading newspapers,
watching the news.
725
00:32:03,381 --> 00:32:06,801
{\an8}So she was hoping to get to
and through them.
726
00:32:06,843 --> 00:32:10,805
{\an8}If you believe
in justice or family,
727
00:32:10,847 --> 00:32:13,016
{\an8}I beg for your help.
728
00:32:13,058 --> 00:32:15,602
{\an8}My son and I are innocent.
729
00:32:15,643 --> 00:32:17,520
{\an8}Her playing with the media
730
00:32:17,562 --> 00:32:20,523
{\an8}and attempting to generate
some sympathy
731
00:32:20,565 --> 00:32:23,068
makes me want to laugh,
732
00:32:23,109 --> 00:32:28,323
because people who commit
these crimes are sociopaths.
733
00:32:28,365 --> 00:32:29,741
Over the next year,
734
00:32:29,783 --> 00:32:31,576
detectives work closely
with the DA
735
00:32:31,618 --> 00:32:33,078
to prepare for trial.
736
00:32:33,119 --> 00:32:35,872
But despite all
the circumstantial evidence
737
00:32:35,914 --> 00:32:37,082
in their favor,
738
00:32:37,123 --> 00:32:40,418
a conviction was a long shot.
739
00:32:40,460 --> 00:32:42,337
{\an8}The Silver Task Force,
along with the DAs,
740
00:32:42,379 --> 00:32:43,922
{\an8}really were up
against something
741
00:32:43,963 --> 00:32:46,383
{\an8}that New York City
has never seen before.
742
00:32:46,424 --> 00:32:48,843
{\an8}We were going
for a murder conviction
743
00:32:48,885 --> 00:32:50,303
{\an8}without having a body.
744
00:32:50,345 --> 00:32:52,013
We didn't have
any forensic evidence--
745
00:32:52,055 --> 00:32:56,976
no blood, no hair fibers,
no fabric fibers, nothing.
746
00:32:57,018 --> 00:32:59,562
In a case
where there's no body,
747
00:32:59,604 --> 00:33:03,149
the likelihood of
it ending in a conviction
748
00:33:03,191 --> 00:33:05,068
was slim to none.
749
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:06,569
{\an8}[dramatic sting]
750
00:33:06,611 --> 00:33:09,197
{\an8}[indistinct chatter]
751
00:33:09,239 --> 00:33:10,990
Going into the trial,
752
00:33:11,032 --> 00:33:13,743
Judge Rena Uviller
was the judge.
753
00:33:13,785 --> 00:33:16,579
And Judge Uviller had
a great reputation.
754
00:33:16,621 --> 00:33:19,374
And so you really felt like
you were walking into
755
00:33:19,416 --> 00:33:21,376
a level playing field.
756
00:33:21,418 --> 00:33:23,086
To limit any influence
on the jurors
757
00:33:23,128 --> 00:33:24,546
and the outcome of the trial,
758
00:33:24,587 --> 00:33:27,048
Judge Uviller
barred all cameras
759
00:33:27,090 --> 00:33:29,092
inside the courtroom.
760
00:33:29,134 --> 00:33:32,220
[dramatic music]
761
00:33:32,262 --> 00:33:35,640
♪ ♪
762
00:33:35,682 --> 00:33:38,560
First drawing I did
of Sante and Kenneth,
763
00:33:38,601 --> 00:33:40,520
the son
was exceptionally handsome
764
00:33:40,562 --> 00:33:41,980
and put together,
765
00:33:42,022 --> 00:33:44,065
{\an8}although he had kind of
a vacantness about his eyes.
766
00:33:44,107 --> 00:33:47,694
His mother, she just looked,
like, dangerous.
767
00:33:47,736 --> 00:33:49,821
Her eyes were like coals.
768
00:33:49,863 --> 00:33:52,615
And there was
something kind of strange
769
00:33:52,657 --> 00:33:55,118
about the relationship
between Sante and Kenny.
770
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,079
There was a physical intimacy
that is unusual
771
00:33:58,121 --> 00:34:02,375
between a mother and her son.
772
00:34:02,417 --> 00:34:05,962
She would actually grasp
her son's hand
773
00:34:06,004 --> 00:34:10,258
and hold on to it like
he was a child
774
00:34:10,300 --> 00:34:12,093
or like he was her man.
775
00:34:12,135 --> 00:34:16,056
The judge had the feeling
Sante was in fact manipulating
776
00:34:16,097 --> 00:34:19,142
everyone in the courtroom
by this display of affection.
777
00:34:19,184 --> 00:34:21,436
Oh, who could think
such horrible things about
778
00:34:21,478 --> 00:34:23,396
such a caring mother?
779
00:34:23,438 --> 00:34:25,774
And she just said,
"Cut it out."
780
00:34:25,815 --> 00:34:29,986
And after that, they were put
several seats apart.
781
00:34:30,028 --> 00:34:31,613
{\an8}[dramatic sting]
782
00:34:31,654 --> 00:34:33,948
{\an8}[indistinct chatter]
783
00:34:33,990 --> 00:34:38,453
On February 14th of 2000,
the trial eventually commenced.
784
00:34:38,495 --> 00:34:40,080
In their opening statements,
785
00:34:40,121 --> 00:34:43,166
the prosecution painted
Sante Kimes
786
00:34:43,208 --> 00:34:45,794
as a woman addicted to crime.
787
00:34:45,835 --> 00:34:47,545
Ladies and gentlemen
of the jury,
788
00:34:47,587 --> 00:34:50,799
this is a case
about arrogance and greed.
789
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,134
The prosecution did bring up
790
00:34:53,176 --> 00:34:56,429
that Sante had a very nice life
791
00:34:56,471 --> 00:34:59,391
as the wife of
a multimillionaire.
792
00:34:59,432 --> 00:35:02,435
But she still was driven
to steal.
793
00:35:02,477 --> 00:35:04,813
This was a compulsion.
794
00:35:04,854 --> 00:35:06,690
And I think
there was something in her
795
00:35:06,731 --> 00:35:10,694
that was constantly thirsting
for thrills.
796
00:35:12,070 --> 00:35:14,739
Sante Kimes was dangerous.
797
00:35:14,781 --> 00:35:16,700
I never stopped feeling
798
00:35:16,741 --> 00:35:20,036
she was as dangerous
as a cobra.
799
00:35:20,078 --> 00:35:23,248
This mother-son duo,
800
00:35:23,289 --> 00:35:26,334
they had long planned to steal
801
00:35:26,376 --> 00:35:30,588
Irene's $7 million town house.
802
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:34,009
The mother posed as Irene
in this case,
803
00:35:34,050 --> 00:35:38,013
duped a notary into approving
a fraudulent deed
804
00:35:38,054 --> 00:35:41,099
that transferred the ownership
of the mansion
805
00:35:41,141 --> 00:35:43,226
to a Kimes-owned shell company
806
00:35:43,268 --> 00:35:46,021
after stealing
Irene's identity.
807
00:35:46,062 --> 00:35:49,274
She had to be gotten
out of their way.
808
00:35:49,315 --> 00:35:51,985
Now, I'm confident
that at the end of this trial,
809
00:35:52,027 --> 00:35:54,362
you will be left
with no choice
810
00:35:54,404 --> 00:35:55,739
but to come back
with a verdict,
811
00:35:55,780 --> 00:35:58,450
guilty as to all counts.
812
00:35:59,784 --> 00:36:02,078
This is a picture
of Michael Hardy
813
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,373
doing his opening argument
with Sante.
814
00:36:05,415 --> 00:36:06,916
Ladies and gentlemen,
815
00:36:06,958 --> 00:36:09,169
there's gonna be
a mountain of evidence
816
00:36:09,210 --> 00:36:11,546
that the prosecution
puts before you.
817
00:36:11,588 --> 00:36:13,923
They are going to show you
818
00:36:13,965 --> 00:36:18,178
date-rape drugs, rope,
tape, guns.
819
00:36:18,219 --> 00:36:21,056
They're gonna show you
all of these things.
820
00:36:21,097 --> 00:36:22,974
But let me ask you,
821
00:36:23,016 --> 00:36:26,269
where is the evidence
of foul play
822
00:36:26,311 --> 00:36:28,480
against Irene Silverman?
823
00:36:29,981 --> 00:36:31,900
Was Irene Silverman strangled?
824
00:36:31,941 --> 00:36:34,194
There's nothing here to
say that.
825
00:36:34,235 --> 00:36:35,904
[camera shutter snapping]
What about the guns?
826
00:36:35,945 --> 00:36:37,906
Was Irene Silverman shot?
827
00:36:37,947 --> 00:36:39,491
There's not even any blood.
828
00:36:39,532 --> 00:36:40,658
If she was shot,
829
00:36:40,700 --> 00:36:42,369
there would have to be
blood somewhere.
830
00:36:42,410 --> 00:36:45,205
Was Irene Silverman choked?
831
00:36:45,246 --> 00:36:46,873
There would be DNA evidence.
832
00:36:46,915 --> 00:36:50,251
There is none, not a shred.
833
00:36:50,293 --> 00:36:52,462
And if there is no evidence,
834
00:36:52,504 --> 00:36:54,964
there can be no guilt.
835
00:36:55,006 --> 00:36:58,009
{\an8}Their biggest defense was,
"There's no body.
836
00:36:58,051 --> 00:36:59,761
{\an8}"So how could there be
a crime?
837
00:36:59,803 --> 00:37:02,764
{\an8}"We don't know
where Mrs. Silverman is.
838
00:37:02,806 --> 00:37:05,266
"She could be on
a round-the-world cruise.
839
00:37:05,308 --> 00:37:07,560
She could be anywhere."
840
00:37:07,602 --> 00:37:09,229
At the end of the day,
841
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:11,648
you knew
no matter what they said,
842
00:37:11,690 --> 00:37:13,525
they could not present a body,
843
00:37:13,566 --> 00:37:15,985
so there was reasonable doubt.
844
00:37:16,027 --> 00:37:19,823
But the jury was
still in store for
845
00:37:19,864 --> 00:37:22,325
the most dramatic testimony
yet to come.
846
00:37:30,834 --> 00:37:32,002
{\an8}While the defense
argued reasonable doubt,
847
00:37:33,086 --> 00:37:35,296
{\an8}the prosecution
painted Sante Kimes
848
00:37:35,338 --> 00:37:38,842
{\an8}as the mastermind behind
Irene Silverman's murder.
849
00:37:38,883 --> 00:37:41,428
{\an8}[dramatic sting]
850
00:37:41,469 --> 00:37:44,931
{\an8}One of the pieces
of evidence in the case
851
00:37:44,973 --> 00:37:46,558
{\an8}was a tape recording.
852
00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:49,602
{\an8}- [cassette player clicks]
- We recovered the cassette
853
00:37:49,644 --> 00:37:51,938
{\an8}from that green
Lincoln Continental.
854
00:37:51,980 --> 00:37:53,898
There's no way to
describe it
855
00:37:53,940 --> 00:37:56,401
except as damning evidence.
856
00:37:56,443 --> 00:38:00,530
It was Irene Silverman's voice
and Sante's voice
857
00:38:00,572 --> 00:38:02,073
on a recording.
858
00:38:02,115 --> 00:38:03,908
She posed
as a representative
859
00:38:03,950 --> 00:38:06,036
from the Circus Circus Hotel
in Las Vegas.
860
00:38:06,077 --> 00:38:08,747
She was telling
Irene Silverman
861
00:38:08,788 --> 00:38:11,916
that she had won
a trip to Las Vegas.
862
00:38:11,958 --> 00:38:13,585
All she needed to claim it
863
00:38:13,626 --> 00:38:16,504
was her social security number.
864
00:38:16,546 --> 00:38:17,922
{\an8}This tape was proof
865
00:38:17,964 --> 00:38:20,592
{\an8}that Sante
was actually eavesdropping.
866
00:38:20,633 --> 00:38:21,926
I was horrified.
867
00:38:21,968 --> 00:38:25,096
I mean, Sante had made
the recording herself.
868
00:38:25,138 --> 00:38:27,974
I think it had a great impact
on the jury
869
00:38:28,016 --> 00:38:31,311
to know that Sante Kimes
was on a mission
870
00:38:31,353 --> 00:38:33,355
to dupe Mrs. Silverman.
871
00:38:36,066 --> 00:38:40,111
After 43 days of testimony,
the prosecution rested,
872
00:38:40,153 --> 00:38:42,906
and the defense presented
their case.
873
00:38:42,947 --> 00:38:45,950
The defense argued to
the jury that officers
874
00:38:45,992 --> 00:38:47,952
and the law enforcement
officials in this case
875
00:38:47,994 --> 00:38:50,789
did not truly rule out
other individuals
876
00:38:50,830 --> 00:38:53,166
that could have become suspects.
877
00:38:53,208 --> 00:38:56,628
Irene Silverman was
a very interesting victim
878
00:38:56,670 --> 00:38:59,964
because she did have employees,
879
00:39:00,006 --> 00:39:03,051
some of whom
had a self-interest.
880
00:39:03,093 --> 00:39:08,264
And she regularly invited
people into her home.
881
00:39:08,306 --> 00:39:12,644
And there was a not-for-profit
that would inherit her house
882
00:39:12,686 --> 00:39:14,938
whenever she may have passed.
883
00:39:14,979 --> 00:39:17,148
So you had people in her life,
884
00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:20,318
all of whom could
have motivation
885
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,487
for her disappearance
and death.
886
00:39:22,529 --> 00:39:24,698
{\an8}[dramatic sting]
887
00:39:25,907 --> 00:39:27,826
{\an8}It's always
a very tense atmosphere
888
00:39:27,867 --> 00:39:29,536
{\an8}when the verdict comes in.
889
00:39:29,577 --> 00:39:31,037
{\an8}You're really literally
890
00:39:31,079 --> 00:39:33,790
{\an8}practically holding
your breath.
891
00:39:33,832 --> 00:39:36,376
As to Sante Kimes,
892
00:39:36,418 --> 00:39:37,711
guilty.
893
00:39:37,752 --> 00:39:39,879
Three counts of murder
in the second degree,
894
00:39:39,921 --> 00:39:42,716
one count of robbery
and conspiracy,
895
00:39:42,757 --> 00:39:44,759
16 counts of forgery,
896
00:39:44,801 --> 00:39:47,554
29 counts of eavesdropping,
897
00:39:47,595 --> 00:39:49,639
totaling 58 counts.
898
00:39:49,681 --> 00:39:52,350
[dramatic music]
899
00:39:52,392 --> 00:39:54,853
Kenny was convicted of
those exact counts
900
00:39:54,894 --> 00:39:56,855
{\an8}in addition to two counts
901
00:39:56,896 --> 00:39:58,606
{\an8}of possession
of a forged instrument,
902
00:39:58,648 --> 00:40:01,609
{\an8}for a total of 60 counts.
903
00:40:01,651 --> 00:40:03,695
"Guilty, guilty, guilty,"
904
00:40:03,737 --> 00:40:07,907
rang out
dozens and dozens of times.
905
00:40:07,949 --> 00:40:09,576
{\an8}I was shocked.
906
00:40:09,617 --> 00:40:14,205
{\an8}The jury unanimously voted
the two of them were guilty
907
00:40:14,247 --> 00:40:18,043
{\an8}without the evidence
of Irene's body.
908
00:40:18,084 --> 00:40:21,004
{\an8}That was the first time
in New York City history
909
00:40:21,046 --> 00:40:23,465
{\an8}that it ever happened.
910
00:40:23,506 --> 00:40:26,134
{\an8}Before the judge
delivered the sentence,
911
00:40:26,176 --> 00:40:28,053
she calls Sante Kimes
912
00:40:28,094 --> 00:40:30,221
"the most degenerate person
913
00:40:30,263 --> 00:40:33,558
who'd ever been
in her courtroom."
914
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,518
She knew what we knew.
915
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:39,022
Sante Kimes was the devil
in sheep's clothing.
916
00:40:39,064 --> 00:40:41,024
Following her remarks,
917
00:40:41,066 --> 00:40:43,151
Judge Uviller sentenced
Sante Kimes to
918
00:40:43,193 --> 00:40:45,236
120 years in prison
919
00:40:45,278 --> 00:40:49,449
{\an8}and her son Kenny to
125 years.
920
00:40:49,491 --> 00:40:51,451
{\an8}[dramatic sting]
921
00:40:51,493 --> 00:40:54,537
{\an8}Now Los Angeles authorities
wanted their turn
922
00:40:54,579 --> 00:40:56,498
for the murder of
David Kazdin,
923
00:40:56,539 --> 00:40:58,833
the Kimes'
former business partner.
924
00:40:58,875 --> 00:41:01,211
This time Kenny Kimes
took a deal.
925
00:41:01,252 --> 00:41:05,215
The deal was that
if he told everything about
926
00:41:05,256 --> 00:41:06,800
the Irene Silverman murder
927
00:41:06,841 --> 00:41:09,010
and to confess to
the David Kazdin murder,
928
00:41:09,052 --> 00:41:11,846
California would take
the death penalty
929
00:41:11,888 --> 00:41:15,767
off the table
for him and his mother.
930
00:41:15,809 --> 00:41:20,438
I will never forget
Kenny getting on the stand,
931
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,732
and he began to recount
932
00:41:22,774 --> 00:41:25,485
how he murdered
Irene Silverman
933
00:41:25,527 --> 00:41:27,987
on July 5th, 1998.
934
00:41:28,029 --> 00:41:31,616
He said that his mother
stun-gunned Irene.
935
00:41:31,658 --> 00:41:34,536
She fell to the floor.
He choked her.
936
00:41:34,577 --> 00:41:36,037
He put her in the bathtub,
937
00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:39,040
wrapped her in that missing
caramel-colored quilt,
938
00:41:39,082 --> 00:41:40,583
duct-taped her,
939
00:41:40,625 --> 00:41:42,002
put her in the trunk
of his car,
940
00:41:42,043 --> 00:41:43,545
drove through
the Lincoln Tunnel,
941
00:41:43,586 --> 00:41:46,339
and dumped her
somewhere in Jersey.
942
00:41:46,381 --> 00:41:48,425
Unfortunately, to this day,
943
00:41:48,466 --> 00:41:53,096
Irene Silverman's body
was never found.
944
00:41:53,138 --> 00:41:55,640
Frankly, I was surprised
945
00:41:55,682 --> 00:41:59,144
when I heard that he confessed.
946
00:41:59,185 --> 00:42:02,147
But Sante never confessed
947
00:42:02,188 --> 00:42:05,900
to having killed anyone,
for that matter.
948
00:42:05,942 --> 00:42:08,361
♪ ♪
949
00:42:08,403 --> 00:42:11,906
Best of all articles
relating to the Kimes
950
00:42:11,948 --> 00:42:15,869
is probably this one here.
951
00:42:15,910 --> 00:42:17,912
We knew he did it all along.
952
00:42:17,954 --> 00:42:20,331
♪ ♪
953
00:42:20,373 --> 00:42:22,417
Sad.
954
00:42:22,459 --> 00:42:26,296
In 2004, Kenny Kimes was
sentenced to life
955
00:42:26,338 --> 00:42:28,631
without the possibility
of parole.
956
00:42:28,673 --> 00:42:33,261
That same year, his mother,
79-year-old Sante Kimes,
957
00:42:33,303 --> 00:42:36,473
died in prison
while serving her sentence.
958
00:42:36,514 --> 00:42:38,892
The lesson that was learned
in this case to me was
959
00:42:38,933 --> 00:42:41,269
you can't judge a book
by its cover.
960
00:42:41,311 --> 00:42:44,606
Sante and Kenneth Kimes
presented themselves
961
00:42:44,647 --> 00:42:47,150
like the elite,
like the affluent,
962
00:42:47,192 --> 00:42:51,029
and they were really
the worst people that
963
00:42:51,071 --> 00:42:53,573
anyone could ever come
in contact with.
964
00:42:53,615 --> 00:42:55,700
They were serial killers.
965
00:42:55,742 --> 00:42:58,870
The Kimes underestimated
a couple of things here.
966
00:42:58,912 --> 00:43:01,790
They underestimated
the capabilities
967
00:43:01,831 --> 00:43:04,209
of Irene Silverman.
968
00:43:04,250 --> 00:43:06,920
And they underestimated
the professionalism
969
00:43:06,961 --> 00:43:08,129
and the perseverance
970
00:43:08,171 --> 00:43:09,839
of the New York City
Police Department.
971
00:43:09,881 --> 00:43:11,883
They met their match.
972
00:43:11,925 --> 00:43:17,305
{\an8}♪ ♪
973
00:43:17,347 --> 00:43:20,141
{\an8}For the first ten years
after she disappeared,
974
00:43:20,183 --> 00:43:23,520
{\an8}I had this fantasy that
she was gonna reappear.
975
00:43:23,561 --> 00:43:25,313
{\an8}But I gave it up.
976
00:43:25,355 --> 00:43:27,774
{\an8}I would have been wonderful
if it had happened.
977
00:43:27,816 --> 00:43:29,734
{\an8}She was a special lady.
978
00:43:29,776 --> 00:43:31,111
{\an8}Here's to Irene.
979
00:43:31,152 --> 00:43:38,284
{\an8}♪ ♪
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