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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,261 --> 00:00:08,261 Provided by explosiveskull https://twitter.com/kaboomskull 2 00:00:30,896 --> 00:00:33,699 Once upon a time, there was a little girl 3 00:00:33,732 --> 00:00:36,336 who wasn't afraid of the dark. 4 00:00:39,470 --> 00:00:42,742 When she grew up, she became an artist, 5 00:00:42,775 --> 00:00:45,610 and people called her a witch. 6 00:00:51,949 --> 00:00:53,452 She made them afraid, 7 00:00:54,686 --> 00:00:57,924 and they were always watching to see what she would do. 8 00:01:05,296 --> 00:01:08,900 So she put on a hat, and told them her story, 9 00:01:08,934 --> 00:01:11,703 and gave them something to watch. 10 00:01:29,855 --> 00:01:32,392 Her name was Rosaleen Norton. 11 00:01:34,593 --> 00:01:37,397 She was the Witch of Kings Cross. 12 00:02:09,695 --> 00:02:11,497 For the first time in centuries, 13 00:02:11,529 --> 00:02:13,866 a witch has written a full confession, 14 00:02:13,898 --> 00:02:17,169 a revelation of her weird inhuman power. 15 00:02:20,539 --> 00:02:22,842 Artist Rosaleen Norton charged by police 16 00:02:22,874 --> 00:02:24,676 for exhibiting obscene paintings. 17 00:02:26,545 --> 00:02:28,147 They were arrested, 18 00:02:29,147 --> 00:02:32,084 they were thrown in jail overnight. 19 00:02:34,685 --> 00:02:36,721 They all have a twist of the grotesque 20 00:02:36,755 --> 00:02:37,957 or the bizarre. 21 00:02:38,891 --> 00:02:40,593 It was provocative stuff. 22 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,864 I wouldn't call her a surrealist by any stretch. 23 00:02:45,898 --> 00:02:47,566 Although some of her practises 24 00:02:47,599 --> 00:02:49,235 could certainly be linked to that. 25 00:02:49,735 --> 00:02:52,904 She's drawing on the depths of her unconscious. 26 00:02:52,938 --> 00:02:54,906 Accessed through trance. 27 00:02:55,406 --> 00:02:57,743 Artist and lover arrested after photographs 28 00:02:57,775 --> 00:02:59,511 of bizarre sex acts. 29 00:03:01,345 --> 00:03:02,981 One of the most dramatic things 30 00:03:03,015 --> 00:03:05,050 was the involvement of Eugene Goossens, 31 00:03:05,082 --> 00:03:07,118 who was knighted by the Queen. 32 00:03:07,685 --> 00:03:08,987 World famous conductor 33 00:03:09,021 --> 00:03:11,056 disgraced in pornography scandal. 34 00:03:12,023 --> 00:03:15,593 Roie lived expressing herself sexually, 35 00:03:15,626 --> 00:03:17,095 however she wanted. 36 00:03:17,862 --> 00:03:21,666 Satanists at Cross in weird ritual. 37 00:03:21,700 --> 00:03:22,568 The witches sing, 38 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,036 "Satan is the lord of the hunting horn, 39 00:03:25,070 --> 00:03:27,540 and king of the Coven tree." 40 00:03:30,608 --> 00:03:31,809 Well, she was an artist. 41 00:03:31,843 --> 00:03:32,911 She was a performer. 42 00:03:32,944 --> 00:03:37,717 And... she created herself, she invented herself. 43 00:03:40,685 --> 00:03:44,155 It's kind of a cliché to describe her as an eccentric, 44 00:03:44,189 --> 00:03:46,125 but I mean there's the gold plaque in Kings Cross 45 00:03:46,158 --> 00:03:48,861 where it says "genius or crank". 46 00:03:52,630 --> 00:03:54,967 She was a harmless sort of witch. 47 00:03:54,999 --> 00:03:57,736 Especially as her spells didn't work. 48 00:04:00,638 --> 00:04:02,774 There's things real and imaginary, 49 00:04:04,743 --> 00:04:06,812 but I know in her environment 50 00:04:06,844 --> 00:04:10,815 I felt like I was in a sort of powerhouse. 51 00:04:12,750 --> 00:04:17,290 Everybody wants to look and find out a little bit more. 52 00:04:17,723 --> 00:04:21,626 It is such a romantic and threatening... 53 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:23,328 image, 54 00:04:23,362 --> 00:04:24,931 the image of the witch. 55 00:04:29,033 --> 00:04:32,170 "And so begins my journal of E-Goetry. 56 00:04:37,074 --> 00:04:39,611 In this journal I shall write my secret 57 00:04:39,645 --> 00:04:42,114 and real thoughts about myself. 58 00:04:43,148 --> 00:04:47,285 It will be an orgy of dwelling upon my own peculiarities, 59 00:04:48,252 --> 00:04:50,922 which will be a mighty relief." 60 00:04:52,223 --> 00:04:54,759 It's hard to know whether she was a witch, 61 00:04:54,792 --> 00:04:58,896 or if that was the thing that she, as an artist, created. 62 00:05:05,770 --> 00:05:07,306 "When Gavin Greenlees and I 63 00:05:07,338 --> 00:05:09,708 hitchhiked from Sydney to Melbourne, 64 00:05:09,908 --> 00:05:12,010 it was with the purpose of finding a gallery 65 00:05:12,044 --> 00:05:13,779 to exhibit my work." 66 00:05:17,148 --> 00:05:19,083 They hitchhiked down there with a cat 67 00:05:19,117 --> 00:05:20,986 called Geoffrey stuffed in a bag. 68 00:05:32,997 --> 00:05:35,867 Roie's artwork was exhibited 69 00:05:35,900 --> 00:05:39,372 at the Rowden White Gallery in 1949 in Melbourne. 70 00:05:39,571 --> 00:05:41,206 It was actually part of the library 71 00:05:41,239 --> 00:05:42,875 at Melbourne University, 72 00:05:42,908 --> 00:05:45,910 and it was quite a prestigious little gallery. 73 00:05:47,045 --> 00:05:48,948 That was her first big exhibition. 74 00:05:49,814 --> 00:05:53,751 They thought they'll just have a show of her drawings; 75 00:05:53,785 --> 00:05:56,821 they're a bit pagan, they're a bit outrageous. 76 00:05:57,088 --> 00:05:59,258 But they're not going to cause any great drama. 77 00:06:15,540 --> 00:06:17,710 This exhibition of her work, 78 00:06:17,742 --> 00:06:22,314 which promised Roie all of the attention 79 00:06:22,347 --> 00:06:24,316 a young artist would be seeking, 80 00:06:24,348 --> 00:06:27,185 in fact, backfired very badly. 81 00:06:37,095 --> 00:06:38,763 Some of the viewers came in 82 00:06:38,797 --> 00:06:41,734 and said this was stark sensuality running riot 83 00:06:41,766 --> 00:06:42,867 and things like that. 84 00:06:43,835 --> 00:06:46,338 And then the penny fell, the police came. 85 00:06:47,472 --> 00:06:51,110 She was charged with exhibiting indecent images. 86 00:06:51,143 --> 00:06:54,146 And there was a court case that ensued. 87 00:06:54,845 --> 00:06:56,848 The Crown Prosecutor alleges 88 00:06:56,881 --> 00:06:58,117 that work of this sort 89 00:06:58,150 --> 00:07:02,021 could deprave and corrupt the morals of those who saw them. 90 00:07:02,220 --> 00:07:04,256 It also was extremely unusual; 91 00:07:04,288 --> 00:07:05,824 it was the first prosecution 92 00:07:05,857 --> 00:07:08,360 ever carried out against a female artist. 93 00:07:08,393 --> 00:07:13,265 It was the first prosecution of that type in recent times. 94 00:07:13,297 --> 00:07:15,033 "Miss Norton said that she would leave it 95 00:07:15,066 --> 00:07:17,001 to the public to judge her art." 96 00:07:17,369 --> 00:07:18,537 There was a lot of sympathy, 97 00:07:18,569 --> 00:07:20,071 but there was also a real danger 98 00:07:20,105 --> 00:07:22,141 that she could be in quite serious trouble. 99 00:07:22,174 --> 00:07:24,977 And she took a public stand. 100 00:07:25,944 --> 00:07:28,013 "Obscenity, like beauty, 101 00:07:28,045 --> 00:07:29,947 is in the eye of the beholder." 102 00:07:31,716 --> 00:07:35,853 Roie never, ever apologised for herself. 103 00:07:35,886 --> 00:07:38,490 She got up there and she defended that art. 104 00:07:39,425 --> 00:07:41,559 And she later explained to the magistrates 105 00:07:41,593 --> 00:07:44,263 that the panther is a symbol of the dark night, 106 00:07:44,662 --> 00:07:46,165 the unmanifest night, 107 00:07:46,198 --> 00:07:49,201 the unmanifest potential that everybody has. 108 00:07:49,234 --> 00:07:52,938 So she didn't see it as a rude or over sexual picture, 109 00:07:52,970 --> 00:07:57,208 but it looked like a naked woman having sex with an animal, 110 00:07:57,242 --> 00:07:58,143 a raging animal. 111 00:07:58,177 --> 00:08:00,912 And then in the background there was a nun 112 00:08:00,946 --> 00:08:02,513 on a crucifix giving a bit of a wink. 113 00:08:02,547 --> 00:08:05,017 So it was provocative stuff. 114 00:08:10,155 --> 00:08:13,926 She also talked about the fact that, yes, 115 00:08:14,126 --> 00:08:16,295 these artworks show people naked, 116 00:08:16,328 --> 00:08:19,932 yes, these artworks show occult practises. 117 00:08:23,634 --> 00:08:26,904 And to top it all off she opened her mouth and said, 118 00:08:26,937 --> 00:08:30,341 "I participate in this sort of activity, 119 00:08:30,374 --> 00:08:32,844 and these are the beings who visit me." 120 00:08:37,082 --> 00:08:39,351 Roie was just hitting every button 121 00:08:39,383 --> 00:08:44,022 in terms of attracting negative media attention to herself. 122 00:08:44,589 --> 00:08:48,960 And what happened in 1949 showed the Australian press 123 00:08:48,993 --> 00:08:52,964 that Rosaleen Norton was really good fodder 124 00:08:52,997 --> 00:08:54,967 to sell newspapers. 125 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:59,939 And it was the beginning of the Witch of Kings Cross. 126 00:09:03,074 --> 00:09:05,044 "Perhaps I'd better begin at the beginning. 127 00:09:08,413 --> 00:09:11,183 I was born at Dunedin, New Zealand at 4 a.m. 128 00:09:11,216 --> 00:09:12,551 during a violent thunderstorm." 129 00:09:19,491 --> 00:09:23,095 "I have loved night and storms all my life." 130 00:09:24,728 --> 00:09:29,167 "Storms arouse in me an elated, almost drunken sensation." 131 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:39,011 "Night is for me the time when all my perceptions are alert, 132 00:09:39,844 --> 00:09:43,114 when I feel most awake and function best." 133 00:09:43,548 --> 00:09:46,083 She said she was born as a witch, I think. 134 00:09:46,117 --> 00:09:50,488 That she was born on the night of a thunderstorm. 135 00:09:50,955 --> 00:09:53,958 She had pointed ears, she said. 136 00:09:54,592 --> 00:09:57,162 And she had a kind of blue birthmark somewhere. 137 00:09:57,194 --> 00:10:00,565 So she took all this as a sign that she was different. 138 00:10:00,832 --> 00:10:02,301 "At seven years old, 139 00:10:02,333 --> 00:10:05,170 two small blue marks appeared on my left knee 140 00:10:05,203 --> 00:10:06,538 and they are still there. 141 00:10:07,338 --> 00:10:08,306 I have since learned 142 00:10:08,339 --> 00:10:10,608 that they are among the traditional witch marks. 143 00:10:12,209 --> 00:10:15,280 I remember noticing them the year we arrived in Australia." 144 00:10:23,387 --> 00:10:25,456 Roie was born into a very comfortable 145 00:10:25,490 --> 00:10:27,525 middle class family. 146 00:10:28,993 --> 00:10:30,461 Fairly conventional upbringing. 147 00:10:30,495 --> 00:10:33,332 Her two sisters were conventional as well. 148 00:10:33,365 --> 00:10:35,668 "My mother was a highly emotional woman. 149 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,135 Any attempt at a pleasant relationship 150 00:10:38,169 --> 00:10:40,639 between us was doomed to fail." 151 00:10:41,506 --> 00:10:45,477 Her dad was a really senior figure in merchant shipping. 152 00:10:45,809 --> 00:10:48,179 "I saw comparatively little of my father 153 00:10:48,213 --> 00:10:50,315 who was away at sea for most of the time. 154 00:10:50,848 --> 00:10:53,684 Incidentally, he was a cousin of Vaughan Williams, 155 00:10:53,718 --> 00:10:57,957 the composer, to whom he bore a strong family resemblance. 156 00:10:59,591 --> 00:11:03,996 In 1924, my family settled in Australia at Lindfield, 157 00:11:04,328 --> 00:11:08,000 a Sydney suburb where I lived for the next ten years." 158 00:11:09,434 --> 00:11:12,136 As a kid, for about three years or four years, 159 00:11:12,170 --> 00:11:14,139 she refused to live in the house. 160 00:11:14,171 --> 00:11:16,742 And she lived in a tent in the backyard. 161 00:11:22,146 --> 00:11:23,681 "As a child my chief aim 162 00:11:23,714 --> 00:11:26,150 was to be left to my own devices." 163 00:11:28,719 --> 00:11:30,221 She liked being outside in the dark 164 00:11:30,255 --> 00:11:33,525 and she liked to have an orb spider in the tent. 165 00:11:35,359 --> 00:11:36,527 And she kept all sorts of 166 00:11:36,560 --> 00:11:39,030 little critters in the tent 167 00:11:39,064 --> 00:11:41,800 that obviously were designed to keep people out, 168 00:11:41,833 --> 00:11:43,501 because they were a bit scary. 169 00:11:47,639 --> 00:11:50,042 You can see the rebel in her, 170 00:11:50,074 --> 00:11:51,609 rebelling against Christianity, 171 00:11:51,642 --> 00:11:56,047 rebelling against the mores of society at such a young age. 172 00:11:58,782 --> 00:12:00,317 "The onset of adolescence 173 00:12:00,351 --> 00:12:02,220 often awakens the religious 174 00:12:02,252 --> 00:12:04,189 as well as the sexual urge, 175 00:12:05,857 --> 00:12:07,392 and this was so with me. 176 00:12:14,299 --> 00:12:16,735 For some time, I had been constantly aware 177 00:12:16,767 --> 00:12:20,038 of a world of vast mysterious powers." 178 00:12:26,544 --> 00:12:29,747 "If the kingdom of Pan had always been with me, 179 00:12:29,780 --> 00:12:34,585 it had been mostly in the background overlaid by reality." 180 00:12:37,789 --> 00:12:40,192 "Now it had begun to emerge." 181 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,497 "My awareness grew stronger and stronger, 182 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,538 that the tedious world of childhood didn't really matter. 183 00:12:54,139 --> 00:12:56,341 Because this held the essence of all 184 00:12:56,373 --> 00:12:58,309 that called to my inmost being." 185 00:13:17,194 --> 00:13:21,599 Once Rosaleen Norton had adopted this pagan outlook 186 00:13:21,632 --> 00:13:23,267 as a teenager of 13, 187 00:13:24,299 --> 00:13:25,771 living at Lindfield in a very respectable house, 188 00:13:27,271 --> 00:13:29,306 she made a commitment that she was going to follow 189 00:13:29,339 --> 00:13:31,542 these pagan forces right through her life. 190 00:13:31,575 --> 00:13:33,577 And as soon as she could get out, 191 00:13:33,611 --> 00:13:36,414 she wrote a note and left it in the house, 192 00:13:36,447 --> 00:13:38,283 and she headed for the city. 193 00:13:53,363 --> 00:13:54,264 She studied at East Sydney Tech, 194 00:13:54,299 --> 00:13:56,168 where she was encouraged by Rayner Hoff, 195 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:57,735 the famous sculptor. 196 00:13:59,237 --> 00:14:02,274 Rayner Hoff, by all accounts was, what's the term, 197 00:14:02,306 --> 00:14:04,241 they called him a raging pagan. 198 00:14:04,275 --> 00:14:08,380 And he was an odd influence obviously over his students, 199 00:14:08,413 --> 00:14:10,749 but he was adored by them. 200 00:14:12,750 --> 00:14:14,519 She was a naughty student. 201 00:14:14,551 --> 00:14:15,719 She didn't listen, 202 00:14:15,752 --> 00:14:19,757 and she wasn't interested in executing the perfect body. 203 00:14:19,790 --> 00:14:23,529 What she was interested in was interpreting the body. 204 00:14:24,463 --> 00:14:27,265 "Hoff allowed me to depart from routine 205 00:14:27,298 --> 00:14:29,902 and spend my time at figure drawing and composition." 206 00:14:33,070 --> 00:14:36,273 Rayner Hoff had a grandness that he gave the figure. 207 00:14:36,306 --> 00:14:38,542 At the forefront was the way of depicting the figure 208 00:14:38,575 --> 00:14:42,547 almost god-like, and idealised, and the spirit within. 209 00:14:44,681 --> 00:14:46,450 "Hoff had been in trouble with the church 210 00:14:46,483 --> 00:14:49,954 over two sculptures he designed for the Anzac War Memorial. 211 00:14:51,756 --> 00:14:53,857 They were beautiful pieces, 212 00:14:53,891 --> 00:14:55,861 and it was sad that they were never made. 213 00:14:57,462 --> 00:14:59,564 Apparently, the image of a naked woman 214 00:14:59,597 --> 00:15:02,400 on a public building was far too controversial!" 215 00:15:03,267 --> 00:15:04,401 The Catholic archbishop 216 00:15:04,434 --> 00:15:06,304 has condemned the sculpture, 217 00:15:06,337 --> 00:15:07,905 saying it is insulting to God. 218 00:15:08,939 --> 00:15:11,642 It's a wonderful example of how the smallest things 219 00:15:11,675 --> 00:15:15,012 at that point in time could anger the authorities, 220 00:15:15,045 --> 00:15:18,349 but particularly the use of any religious 221 00:15:18,382 --> 00:15:20,918 or spiritual element within art. 222 00:15:27,891 --> 00:15:30,362 "Assorted painters, poets, 223 00:15:30,395 --> 00:15:32,497 writers of various sexes, 224 00:15:32,530 --> 00:15:36,601 broke, talented, ambiguously wedded to the arts and plonk, 225 00:15:36,633 --> 00:15:37,768 came and went. 226 00:15:39,737 --> 00:15:43,308 All our time seemed to be spent working and drinking, 227 00:15:43,341 --> 00:15:46,578 as well as begging, borrowing, stealing, 228 00:15:46,611 --> 00:15:48,447 and occasionally buying food." 229 00:15:48,747 --> 00:15:51,415 I never saw Roie cook anything. 230 00:15:51,449 --> 00:15:53,050 I don't know what they ate. 231 00:15:53,083 --> 00:15:56,487 I think they lived on cups of tea out of tin mugs. 232 00:15:57,588 --> 00:15:59,690 She would always say "Have a cuppa?" 233 00:16:01,793 --> 00:16:05,297 She would say, "Oh Christ Eileen, I am something." 234 00:16:05,630 --> 00:16:07,699 So that's how she spoke. 235 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,971 "Various rooms and studies had elastic limits. 236 00:16:13,003 --> 00:16:16,074 Strange drawings, luggage, bottles or bodies 237 00:16:16,107 --> 00:16:17,608 scattered about the floor. 238 00:16:18,275 --> 00:16:20,444 Vignettes stand out in memory." 239 00:16:21,913 --> 00:16:23,348 She did a bit of modelling. 240 00:16:24,716 --> 00:16:25,984 "I posed for Norman Lindsay 241 00:16:26,016 --> 00:16:27,451 as the figure on the bull." 242 00:16:27,919 --> 00:16:30,655 She was influenced by Norman Lindsay, 243 00:16:30,889 --> 00:16:33,091 but not her subject matter. 244 00:16:33,491 --> 00:16:36,093 Some people have compared Rosaleen Norton 245 00:16:36,126 --> 00:16:37,328 with Norman Lindsay. 246 00:16:37,529 --> 00:16:39,597 But she always said that Norman Lindsay 247 00:16:39,630 --> 00:16:41,700 was an artist of the daytime. 248 00:16:41,732 --> 00:16:44,001 They're fairly mainstream figures of light. 249 00:16:44,769 --> 00:16:46,871 And she said, "I'm not like that. 250 00:16:46,904 --> 00:16:49,341 I'm definitely an artist from the dark side." 251 00:16:52,910 --> 00:16:54,445 She was a creature of the night, 252 00:16:54,478 --> 00:16:57,381 and she referred to herself as a dark spirit. 253 00:17:06,857 --> 00:17:09,527 Shall I tell you the scandalous part? 254 00:17:09,559 --> 00:17:10,694 Yes. 255 00:17:10,728 --> 00:17:15,600 Roie told me that she lost her virginity in Pakie's, 256 00:17:15,633 --> 00:17:17,936 but she did it because she was curious. 257 00:17:17,969 --> 00:17:20,072 She was tired of being a virgin. 258 00:17:22,106 --> 00:17:25,876 "I had a boyfriend, Beresford. 259 00:17:25,909 --> 00:17:28,579 World War Two had started so we got married 260 00:17:28,613 --> 00:17:31,116 before Beresford enlisted and was sent to New Guinea." 261 00:17:31,915 --> 00:17:34,685 He was away for perhaps two years, 262 00:17:34,719 --> 00:17:37,622 and it would have been an extraordinary experience. 263 00:17:48,031 --> 00:17:50,835 "Only one thing ever makes me afraid." 264 00:17:51,969 --> 00:17:54,439 "The vibrations of human beings." 265 00:18:14,157 --> 00:18:17,494 Peace is wonderful. 266 00:18:17,528 --> 00:18:18,930 He came back from New Guinea 267 00:18:18,963 --> 00:18:22,200 and they seem to have parted company almost immediately. 268 00:18:35,245 --> 00:18:36,613 "Eventually I decided 269 00:18:36,646 --> 00:18:39,216 to experiment with self-induced trance. 270 00:18:40,251 --> 00:18:44,189 The idea being to induce an abnormal state of consciousness. 271 00:18:45,356 --> 00:18:49,461 I decided to apply psychic stimulus to the sub-conscious. 272 00:18:51,963 --> 00:18:56,534 I collected together a variety of things, aromatic leaves, 273 00:18:56,967 --> 00:19:00,738 wine, a lighted fire, a mummified hoof. 274 00:19:02,306 --> 00:19:05,076 I darkened the room and tried to clear my mind 275 00:19:05,108 --> 00:19:07,044 of all conscious thought. 276 00:19:11,315 --> 00:19:14,919 My eyes would shut, and I was merely aware 277 00:19:14,952 --> 00:19:19,958 that I was drawing on a blank sheet of paper in front of me. 278 00:19:22,026 --> 00:19:25,197 I knew that somewhere in the depths of the unconscious, 279 00:19:25,430 --> 00:19:28,199 the individual would contain in essence, 280 00:19:28,232 --> 00:19:30,969 the accumulated knowledge of mankind." 281 00:19:44,882 --> 00:19:46,885 She believed that the gods lived there, 282 00:19:46,917 --> 00:19:47,953 in an inner world. 283 00:19:47,985 --> 00:19:51,555 If she went into the inner plains in trance state, 284 00:19:51,989 --> 00:19:53,156 she could meet them halfway. 285 00:19:53,190 --> 00:19:55,694 They would come down from their heights 286 00:19:55,894 --> 00:19:58,695 and she would rise up in trance, 287 00:19:58,729 --> 00:20:00,064 and they would have dialogue. 288 00:20:00,097 --> 00:20:02,634 And she could also base some of her pictures 289 00:20:03,001 --> 00:20:04,569 on those gods and goddesses. 290 00:20:04,601 --> 00:20:06,303 So that's where she got some of her imagery from. 291 00:20:08,873 --> 00:20:10,742 "All through my trances, 292 00:20:10,774 --> 00:20:14,678 as a recurrent motif is the being that I know as the other. 293 00:20:15,413 --> 00:20:18,650 It is familiar and as near to me, as myself. 294 00:20:20,684 --> 00:20:24,822 In fact, it seems to be a complementary part of my self, 295 00:20:25,522 --> 00:20:28,025 separate yet united with me." 296 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,095 She comes from a very unique space 297 00:20:31,127 --> 00:20:32,996 in the context of Australian art. 298 00:20:33,030 --> 00:20:35,867 She's most easily placed into the genre 299 00:20:35,899 --> 00:20:38,002 which is now being called esoteric art, 300 00:20:38,435 --> 00:20:40,972 which is artwork which is concerned 301 00:20:41,004 --> 00:20:42,239 with spiritual journey. 302 00:20:45,944 --> 00:20:48,178 There have been relatively few visionary artists 303 00:20:48,212 --> 00:20:50,714 in Australia, and Roie Norton would definitely be 304 00:20:50,748 --> 00:20:53,117 the most prominent figure of that style of art. 305 00:21:14,004 --> 00:21:15,739 Some of the earliest works of Roie Norton 306 00:21:15,772 --> 00:21:18,309 are published in a little magazine called Pertinent. 307 00:21:22,614 --> 00:21:25,650 "Pertinent feels that in Miss Rosaleen Norton, 308 00:21:25,683 --> 00:21:28,051 there is an artist worthy of comparison 309 00:21:28,085 --> 00:21:29,921 with some of the best Continental, 310 00:21:29,953 --> 00:21:32,691 American and English contemporaries." 311 00:21:38,428 --> 00:21:39,963 Roie met Gavin Greenlees 312 00:21:39,996 --> 00:21:43,066 at some point quite early on when she moved to the Cross. 313 00:21:43,099 --> 00:21:45,403 And he was a young up and coming poet 314 00:21:45,435 --> 00:21:47,838 who was publishing in magazines. 315 00:21:47,871 --> 00:21:49,439 They both finished up writing 316 00:21:49,473 --> 00:21:51,242 and creating for Pertinent. 317 00:21:52,842 --> 00:21:53,877 He was a young man 318 00:21:53,911 --> 00:21:58,016 who was regarded as a brilliant child. 319 00:21:59,082 --> 00:22:00,651 He was very talented too, 320 00:22:00,684 --> 00:22:02,787 and interested in surrealism and the inner world. 321 00:22:02,819 --> 00:22:05,088 So they were a natural combination. 322 00:22:05,121 --> 00:22:07,224 Originally, she was just a protector, 323 00:22:07,657 --> 00:22:09,159 but later on they became lovers, 324 00:22:09,193 --> 00:22:11,863 but there was a big age difference between them. 325 00:22:13,097 --> 00:22:15,966 He was a very slim person. 326 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:21,673 I would call him a spare man - S-P-A-R, S-P-E-R, 327 00:22:21,705 --> 00:22:25,309 not a spare man but a thin man, spare in, mm. 328 00:22:28,511 --> 00:22:31,348 Loose-limbed, flexible, floating with the breeze, 329 00:22:31,382 --> 00:22:33,151 he was like a dream coming through. 330 00:22:34,284 --> 00:22:36,687 Gavin was also homosexual, 331 00:22:37,021 --> 00:22:41,792 and homosexuality was illegal in Australia, 332 00:22:41,826 --> 00:22:43,261 as was practising magic. 333 00:22:44,161 --> 00:22:46,397 So they were, in a lot of ways, 334 00:22:46,430 --> 00:22:50,001 social and legal refugees who came together. 335 00:22:52,036 --> 00:22:53,137 "My work was slowly 336 00:22:53,169 --> 00:22:54,973 starting to get recognition. 337 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,343 I'd been showing in nightclubs and cafes in Sydney. 338 00:22:59,109 --> 00:23:01,078 I was part of a group show in Adelaide 339 00:23:01,111 --> 00:23:03,480 where art critics praised my paintings. 340 00:23:08,018 --> 00:23:10,188 It was time for a solo exhibition 341 00:23:10,887 --> 00:23:13,991 and Gavin had a connection at Melbourne University." 342 00:23:23,834 --> 00:23:25,436 Read all about it. 343 00:23:25,469 --> 00:23:27,238 Up to that stage, they'd been getting 344 00:23:27,271 --> 00:23:29,272 some quite wonderful publicity. 345 00:23:29,306 --> 00:23:32,443 She'd told the newspapers that she did some of the paintings 346 00:23:32,475 --> 00:23:34,779 while she was in a trance. 347 00:23:34,811 --> 00:23:36,848 For whatever reason, the media just loved it. 348 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,749 They absolutely lapped it up. 349 00:23:38,915 --> 00:23:41,551 So what you have in 1949 in Melbourne 350 00:23:41,585 --> 00:23:43,287 is a media scandal. 351 00:23:43,319 --> 00:23:46,758 Woman producing obscene art, woman upsetting people. 352 00:23:46,790 --> 00:23:48,893 Art taken out of galleries. 353 00:23:51,261 --> 00:23:53,931 She won her case but she didn't have much money 354 00:23:53,963 --> 00:23:54,965 to go back to Sydney. 355 00:23:54,999 --> 00:23:56,067 They got back eventually, 356 00:23:56,099 --> 00:23:59,002 but she and Gavin had great trouble getting back. 357 00:23:59,036 --> 00:24:00,371 "Here I am with a thousand pounds 358 00:24:00,404 --> 00:24:02,006 worth of publicity, 359 00:24:02,039 --> 00:24:03,840 and I can't sell a painting." 360 00:24:03,874 --> 00:24:05,076 And it was at that phase they 361 00:24:05,108 --> 00:24:07,145 then moved into their Kings Cross life. 362 00:24:23,927 --> 00:24:29,099 It was filled with coffee shops that had different themes. 363 00:24:29,466 --> 00:24:32,203 They were all a little bit teeny tiny. 364 00:24:33,436 --> 00:24:38,943 Poets doing poetry and it would always be against society. 365 00:24:42,245 --> 00:24:45,248 And it had a history, Dobell and Drysdale, 366 00:24:45,281 --> 00:24:48,086 all these great Australian artists had lived there. 367 00:24:48,453 --> 00:24:50,887 There was lots of characters around the place. 368 00:24:50,921 --> 00:24:53,057 Well, I suppose you'd call them bohemian. 369 00:24:56,292 --> 00:24:59,097 The mavericks, the outcasts of society. 370 00:24:59,463 --> 00:25:03,233 Artists, dancers, homosexuals, 371 00:25:03,267 --> 00:25:06,337 transvestites, transsexuals. 372 00:25:08,438 --> 00:25:09,473 Where jazz was happening, 373 00:25:09,505 --> 00:25:11,141 where there was nightclubs, 374 00:25:11,175 --> 00:25:13,644 where there was strippers and sex stuff happening. 375 00:25:13,676 --> 00:25:16,179 Obviously, there was crime there as well. 376 00:25:19,683 --> 00:25:22,118 The cafes were open all night, 377 00:25:22,152 --> 00:25:23,319 and you could discuss, 378 00:25:23,353 --> 00:25:27,325 you could play chess, you could smoke, you could engage. 379 00:25:27,357 --> 00:25:31,963 And that was the intellectual environment that she craved. 380 00:25:41,472 --> 00:25:43,942 It was an entire neighbourhood of night people. 381 00:25:46,242 --> 00:25:48,078 The night is a world of possibilities, 382 00:25:48,111 --> 00:25:51,215 and the night is a world of opportunities. 383 00:25:52,416 --> 00:25:55,853 And if you think of how harsh the Australian sunlight is, 384 00:25:56,186 --> 00:25:58,522 and how it kind of bleaches everything out. 385 00:26:02,492 --> 00:26:04,294 The darkness of night is actually a time 386 00:26:04,328 --> 00:26:06,597 when difference and depth and perception 387 00:26:06,629 --> 00:26:08,165 suddenly becomes more important. 388 00:26:08,197 --> 00:26:12,169 On misty nights.... in Woolloomooloo, 389 00:26:12,936 --> 00:26:16,174 it had this sort of strange atmosphere. 390 00:26:20,444 --> 00:26:22,379 Roie wrote a poem about it. 391 00:26:25,415 --> 00:26:30,087 "Lights black majesty, midnight sun, 392 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,090 lord of the wild and living stars. 393 00:26:33,424 --> 00:26:36,261 Soul of magic and master of death, 394 00:26:37,161 --> 00:26:40,298 panther of night, enfold me. 395 00:26:43,032 --> 00:26:45,101 Take me dark shining one, 396 00:26:45,135 --> 00:26:47,171 mingle my being with you. 397 00:26:47,771 --> 00:26:51,276 Prowl in my spirit with deep purring joy, 398 00:26:51,975 --> 00:26:55,545 live in me, giver of terror and ecstasy. 399 00:26:55,979 --> 00:26:58,616 Touch me with tongues of black fire. 400 00:26:59,782 --> 00:27:02,453 Night, freakish night, 401 00:27:02,786 --> 00:27:04,088 sets me free." 402 00:27:12,562 --> 00:27:13,763 She's not scared of things, 403 00:27:13,797 --> 00:27:15,399 she's not scared of the dark. 404 00:27:15,432 --> 00:27:18,169 The dark is somewhere where you can be safe. 405 00:27:20,404 --> 00:27:23,007 Maybe when you think about it, that's why people were, 406 00:27:23,374 --> 00:27:25,309 the dominant culture was so shocked by her work, 407 00:27:25,341 --> 00:27:28,146 because she was quite happy in a darkness. 408 00:27:38,187 --> 00:27:39,155 Rosaleen and Gavin moved 409 00:27:39,188 --> 00:27:42,225 into this decrepit three storey terrace house, 410 00:27:42,259 --> 00:27:45,128 cream and brown, in Brougham Street. 411 00:27:46,763 --> 00:27:49,800 It was an old house, and in the front 412 00:27:49,832 --> 00:27:52,970 were two beautiful big palm trees leaping up. 413 00:27:59,276 --> 00:28:01,746 There was always a cup of tea and something that she had 414 00:28:01,779 --> 00:28:04,315 and she was often without food herself, 415 00:28:04,348 --> 00:28:06,451 but she would share what she had. 416 00:28:06,951 --> 00:28:10,354 There was a cellar underneath, a sort of an annex 417 00:28:10,386 --> 00:28:13,758 at the back where Roie and Gavin used to live. 418 00:28:15,925 --> 00:28:18,762 And it was altogether a rather nice place. 419 00:28:18,796 --> 00:28:19,998 We loved it. 420 00:28:20,964 --> 00:28:23,567 And it was definitely a house of ill repute 421 00:28:23,599 --> 00:28:26,003 as far as the police were concerned. 422 00:28:26,837 --> 00:28:29,107 There was an SP bookmaker there, 423 00:28:29,607 --> 00:28:32,143 sly grog was sold by the landlord. 424 00:28:32,842 --> 00:28:35,178 "Overnight party, Gavin was mad, 425 00:28:35,212 --> 00:28:37,381 seeing the second coming of Jesus Christ. 426 00:28:37,414 --> 00:28:39,282 Hall covered in blood one morning, 427 00:28:39,316 --> 00:28:41,452 razor slashing from upstairs ménage. 428 00:28:41,484 --> 00:28:45,088 Tough bodgie type pulled gun, shot hallstand to pieces." 429 00:28:45,121 --> 00:28:47,624 "I never did like that hallstand anyway." 430 00:28:48,325 --> 00:28:50,494 It was actually the habit of the police 431 00:28:50,527 --> 00:28:52,763 to raid it on occasion, 432 00:28:52,796 --> 00:28:56,167 and the preferred charge of choice was vagrancy, 433 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:57,201 which was basically the crime 434 00:28:57,234 --> 00:28:59,669 of not having enough money to support yourself. 435 00:29:04,607 --> 00:29:06,476 So they were arrested for vagrancy. 436 00:29:09,413 --> 00:29:10,815 "Wally read the newspaper account 437 00:29:10,848 --> 00:29:14,217 about our arrest, and to get out of jail 438 00:29:14,251 --> 00:29:16,487 we needed employment within a fortnight." 439 00:29:18,155 --> 00:29:19,623 Walter Glover had quite good connections 440 00:29:19,655 --> 00:29:21,125 with the printing industry. 441 00:29:21,157 --> 00:29:22,525 He knew people that could typeset, 442 00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:23,828 he knew people who could bind. 443 00:29:24,060 --> 00:29:26,896 He was a lovely man, but a little bit of a spiv. 444 00:29:26,930 --> 00:29:30,401 He always had an idea, something new, something fresh, 445 00:29:30,434 --> 00:29:32,737 something that was going to make a quid here or there. 446 00:29:33,537 --> 00:29:36,574 Walter Glover put to them a proposition 447 00:29:36,607 --> 00:29:39,276 that they should produce a book together, 448 00:29:39,309 --> 00:29:40,743 which he would publish. 449 00:29:40,777 --> 00:29:43,780 It would showcase Rosaleen's beautiful artwork 450 00:29:43,813 --> 00:29:46,416 and Gavin's transcendental poetry. 451 00:29:46,783 --> 00:29:48,752 "For the first time we had money. 452 00:29:50,787 --> 00:29:52,756 We obtained enough booze and drugs 453 00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:55,593 to freely escape into the world of the book." 454 00:29:59,363 --> 00:30:01,632 Rosaleen had a figure called Janicot, 455 00:30:01,665 --> 00:30:04,635 who was her magical ally and familiar. 456 00:30:04,667 --> 00:30:06,837 And there's a wonderful picture showing Janicot 457 00:30:06,869 --> 00:30:08,505 peering over her shoulder, 458 00:30:09,005 --> 00:30:11,842 where they're considering how to go up and reach Pan. 459 00:30:25,655 --> 00:30:27,492 "The Goat-God laughs: 460 00:30:28,158 --> 00:30:31,661 Immortal joy is golden lightning from his eyes. 461 00:30:32,796 --> 00:30:36,234 Primal, ageless, wild and wise." 462 00:30:39,337 --> 00:30:41,638 There's a figure here called the Master, 463 00:30:42,373 --> 00:30:44,742 which people could easily construe 464 00:30:44,774 --> 00:30:47,611 as a demonic or satanic picture. 465 00:30:48,145 --> 00:30:49,747 If we look closer at this image, 466 00:30:49,780 --> 00:30:51,581 it's really a figure of Pan. 467 00:30:56,552 --> 00:30:58,555 He was her guardian spirit. 468 00:30:59,990 --> 00:31:02,726 She's really implying that he is the foundation 469 00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:05,396 of the whole universe, the foundation of all knowledge. 470 00:31:05,662 --> 00:31:07,265 Pan is the god of life. 471 00:31:07,632 --> 00:31:09,433 He is the god of reproduction. 472 00:31:41,897 --> 00:31:45,936 Lilith comes from a different tradition to Pan. 473 00:31:46,636 --> 00:31:49,740 Lilith comes from a Hebrew tradition. 474 00:31:49,772 --> 00:31:51,242 It's a fantastic drawing 475 00:31:51,274 --> 00:31:53,810 and it's absolutely rich with symbolism. 476 00:31:54,110 --> 00:31:57,647 We see Lilith has a little horn along the top of her head, 477 00:31:57,681 --> 00:31:59,517 so she's the horned goddess. 478 00:31:59,716 --> 00:32:03,286 There's also the moon there in the centre of the horn. 479 00:32:03,953 --> 00:32:06,924 And of course, her hair's writhing with snakes. 480 00:32:07,357 --> 00:32:10,761 The Snake Goddess was crucial to the Great Goddess. 481 00:32:10,961 --> 00:32:13,530 The snake sloughed its skin, 482 00:32:13,562 --> 00:32:16,800 and the snake is a symbol of the circle of rebirth. 483 00:32:17,768 --> 00:32:19,370 "Where Lilith is, 484 00:32:19,403 --> 00:32:22,405 there is night and the regions of darkness. 485 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:24,907 Eternity lives there, 486 00:32:24,941 --> 00:32:27,712 and fathomless voids are their secrets." 487 00:32:43,393 --> 00:32:46,829 Lilith is also highly sexualized. 488 00:32:46,863 --> 00:32:51,602 Lilith loves flying in at night, getting on top of men, 489 00:32:51,635 --> 00:32:54,805 riding them, taking their energy 490 00:32:54,838 --> 00:32:58,041 and their essence and then flying off again. 491 00:33:21,665 --> 00:33:26,736 So for Roie, Lilith represented the sex drive 492 00:33:26,770 --> 00:33:30,040 and the pleasures of female freedom. 493 00:33:34,377 --> 00:33:36,379 I think that was very important for Roie, 494 00:33:36,413 --> 00:33:39,750 because she was a very sexualized woman. 495 00:33:50,926 --> 00:33:53,129 The representations of sexuality 496 00:33:53,163 --> 00:33:56,532 and of the male figure with an incredibly long penis. 497 00:33:56,566 --> 00:33:59,703 Now, in earlier Neolithic religions the penis 498 00:33:59,735 --> 00:34:01,472 is a symbol of fertility. 499 00:34:02,572 --> 00:34:05,675 Quite often the public would have seen her drawings 500 00:34:05,709 --> 00:34:07,712 of these figures as pornographic, 501 00:34:08,379 --> 00:34:11,714 not understanding anything of the history of the body 502 00:34:11,747 --> 00:34:14,751 and the way in which sexual areas of the body 503 00:34:14,785 --> 00:34:17,955 were once seen to signify fertility, 504 00:34:17,988 --> 00:34:20,057 and the continuation of the group. 505 00:34:30,066 --> 00:34:32,202 When we look at Rosaleen's influences 506 00:34:32,234 --> 00:34:36,140 I think we can say that the main ones were the Kabbalah, 507 00:34:36,173 --> 00:34:38,475 which the Jewish mystical tradition. 508 00:34:38,776 --> 00:34:40,911 And that has the Tree of Life symbol, 509 00:34:41,377 --> 00:34:44,113 and you ascend through the spheres on the Tree of Life, 510 00:34:44,147 --> 00:34:48,119 and that's your path of progress as a spiritual initiate. 511 00:34:52,689 --> 00:34:55,158 "Geburah, meaning strength. 512 00:34:58,093 --> 00:35:00,664 Binah is understanding." 513 00:35:14,845 --> 00:35:17,080 "Individuation" is a really interesting picture, 514 00:35:17,113 --> 00:35:20,517 because it refers specifically to Carl Jung, 515 00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:21,818 who coined the term. 516 00:35:22,486 --> 00:35:26,056 What we see is the ouroboros which is the snake 517 00:35:26,089 --> 00:35:28,793 which is actually devouring its own tail. 518 00:35:32,530 --> 00:35:36,232 We have to devour one's self to birth one's self 519 00:35:36,265 --> 00:35:37,767 as a whole being. 520 00:35:39,502 --> 00:35:41,504 The figure has breasts as well as a penis, 521 00:35:41,537 --> 00:35:43,540 so it's a composite figure. 522 00:35:43,740 --> 00:35:45,608 And it was very obviously heavily based then 523 00:35:45,642 --> 00:35:48,646 on being female and male. 524 00:35:48,879 --> 00:35:51,848 But when we actually work in that archetypal space, 525 00:35:51,881 --> 00:35:54,617 we talk about the feminine and the masculine. 526 00:35:54,651 --> 00:35:56,286 And both male and female have 527 00:35:56,318 --> 00:35:58,888 all of these characteristics within themselves. 528 00:36:05,060 --> 00:36:07,930 Norton's work, you could almost argue, 529 00:36:07,964 --> 00:36:11,969 is a visual manifestation of a lot of Jung's ideas. 530 00:36:14,638 --> 00:36:17,141 "What do I mean there by Archetypal self? 531 00:36:18,008 --> 00:36:22,111 Do I mean my archetypal self or the abstraction?" 532 00:36:23,946 --> 00:36:25,615 She has the ability to move 533 00:36:25,649 --> 00:36:28,018 from the literal to the symbolic. 534 00:36:28,051 --> 00:36:29,819 And like Jung would always say, 535 00:36:29,852 --> 00:36:32,789 in the tension of the two opposites is that numinous 536 00:36:32,821 --> 00:36:34,691 or that mysterious third. 537 00:36:34,723 --> 00:36:37,495 And I really feel all her archetypes of self 538 00:36:37,694 --> 00:36:38,928 are drawing the viewer 539 00:36:38,961 --> 00:36:42,031 into what is this other third self that is there. 540 00:36:56,213 --> 00:36:59,615 There's one work in particular which I love, 541 00:36:59,649 --> 00:37:01,652 called "Lucifer and the Goat of Mendes". 542 00:37:02,051 --> 00:37:04,687 She said she would come across Lucifer every now and again 543 00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:06,356 but he would only appear when he was good and ready, 544 00:37:06,388 --> 00:37:08,925 she couldn't conjure him or invoke him. 545 00:37:09,493 --> 00:37:12,096 This particular experience she had was quite visceral 546 00:37:12,463 --> 00:37:14,731 and quite present, 547 00:37:14,763 --> 00:37:16,899 and she embodied it in that painting, 548 00:37:16,932 --> 00:37:19,869 and she just got all of the heat and the love and the danger 549 00:37:19,903 --> 00:37:21,605 and everything just right in that painting. 550 00:37:21,638 --> 00:37:22,673 She just really caught it all. 551 00:37:22,705 --> 00:37:25,742 And that's coming from an experiential knowledge. 552 00:37:28,644 --> 00:37:30,146 "Where Lucifer is, 553 00:37:30,180 --> 00:37:33,884 the light that is being in its essence. 554 00:37:33,917 --> 00:37:36,886 And light that is different, yet equal in clarity. 555 00:37:37,453 --> 00:37:39,856 Light that is absolute knowledge, 556 00:37:39,888 --> 00:37:41,959 and light beyond name." 557 00:38:31,106 --> 00:38:33,843 The book caused a controversy, 558 00:38:34,211 --> 00:38:36,879 and of course, the book was seized 559 00:38:37,113 --> 00:38:39,982 and it led to a court case. 560 00:38:43,919 --> 00:38:46,423 On August 27th, 1952 561 00:38:46,455 --> 00:38:48,224 Walter Glover was officially charged 562 00:38:48,258 --> 00:38:50,694 with producing an obscene publication. 563 00:38:59,002 --> 00:39:01,304 The final ruling from the obscenity case 564 00:39:01,336 --> 00:39:03,239 was that the book could be released 565 00:39:03,872 --> 00:39:07,276 if two of the artworks in the book were blacked out. 566 00:39:11,247 --> 00:39:12,948 It was a tough time to be an artist. 567 00:39:12,981 --> 00:39:15,284 It was an even tougher time to be a female artist. 568 00:39:15,318 --> 00:39:16,953 It was an even tougher time 569 00:39:16,986 --> 00:39:20,391 to be a female artist painting spiritual themes. 570 00:39:23,827 --> 00:39:25,261 "A life in my view, 571 00:39:25,294 --> 00:39:27,430 makes an abstract pattern in the round, 572 00:39:28,064 --> 00:39:30,067 rather like a musical symphony, 573 00:39:31,066 --> 00:39:33,302 wherein are themes and variations, 574 00:39:33,336 --> 00:39:35,138 counterpoint and harmony. 575 00:39:35,171 --> 00:39:37,707 And sometimes deliberate dissonance." 576 00:39:44,847 --> 00:39:47,116 The book also attracted the attention 577 00:39:47,149 --> 00:39:50,119 of one Sir Eugene Goossens 578 00:39:50,153 --> 00:39:52,254 who had come to Australia 579 00:39:52,287 --> 00:39:55,291 to be the first permanent conductor 580 00:39:55,325 --> 00:39:57,227 of the Sydney Symphony Orchestra. 581 00:40:02,031 --> 00:40:04,000 She loved classical music, 582 00:40:04,033 --> 00:40:08,072 especially Beethoven, and Hector Berlioz. 583 00:40:08,472 --> 00:40:09,406 Her favourite thing 584 00:40:09,439 --> 00:40:13,309 was Hector Berlioz' "Symphonie Fantastique". 585 00:40:24,586 --> 00:40:26,122 Now, Sir Eugene Goossens 586 00:40:26,156 --> 00:40:28,058 was the crème de la crème. 587 00:40:28,091 --> 00:40:31,428 He was a giant of the art world. 588 00:40:31,461 --> 00:40:34,330 He was a giant of the music world. 589 00:40:35,832 --> 00:40:40,337 And Sir Eugene Goossens was courted by everyone 590 00:40:40,370 --> 00:40:43,173 who was anyone in Australian society. 591 00:40:43,406 --> 00:40:45,208 Welcome, Sir Eugene! 592 00:40:45,240 --> 00:40:46,943 Officially, he is the conductor 593 00:40:46,975 --> 00:40:48,912 of the Sydney Symphony Orchestra, 594 00:40:48,944 --> 00:40:51,414 run by the Australian Broadcasting Commission. 595 00:40:51,914 --> 00:40:55,050 What people didn't know about Sir Eugene Goossens 596 00:40:55,084 --> 00:40:59,857 was that he was very much interested in the occult. 597 00:41:04,227 --> 00:41:06,964 Goossens was really a pagan at heart. 598 00:41:09,698 --> 00:41:12,101 He'd been really interested in black magic 599 00:41:12,135 --> 00:41:16,872 and mediaeval Goetia when he was still in England. 600 00:41:16,906 --> 00:41:18,308 He was English by birth, 601 00:41:18,341 --> 00:41:20,310 although he was of Belgian extraction. 602 00:41:23,379 --> 00:41:27,818 Goossens finds the book, probably at the end of 1952, 603 00:41:27,850 --> 00:41:29,618 in a gallery bookshop or an art bookshop, 604 00:41:29,651 --> 00:41:30,586 we're not quite sure, 605 00:41:30,620 --> 00:41:33,156 and he determines to get in touch with her. 606 00:41:34,256 --> 00:41:36,059 "I received a letter from Goossens 607 00:41:36,091 --> 00:41:39,530 praising the book. Correspondence." 608 00:41:42,397 --> 00:41:44,233 He wants a bit more colour in his life. 609 00:41:44,533 --> 00:41:47,037 Roie lives just down the road in Brougham Street, 610 00:41:47,069 --> 00:41:48,838 she loves drinking cups of tea. 611 00:41:52,242 --> 00:41:55,077 "Eugene Goossens' tentative suggestion 612 00:41:55,111 --> 00:41:59,049 of an opera libretto by Gavin and backdrops by me." 613 00:42:05,021 --> 00:42:07,423 "Meeting. Second meeting." 614 00:42:10,292 --> 00:42:11,260 And before you know it, 615 00:42:11,294 --> 00:42:14,129 he's getting involved in her sex magic rituals. 616 00:42:37,019 --> 00:42:37,920 These were practises 617 00:42:37,955 --> 00:42:40,523 that were not unique to Rosaleen Norton. 618 00:42:40,555 --> 00:42:43,292 Practitioners and magicians like Aleister Crowley, 619 00:42:43,325 --> 00:42:47,597 particularly, experienced various forms of trance magic 620 00:42:47,629 --> 00:42:49,332 where he would transcend 621 00:42:49,365 --> 00:42:51,301 different states of consciousness. 622 00:42:52,100 --> 00:42:54,037 Crowley was a very influential figure, 623 00:42:54,069 --> 00:42:56,272 and sex magic was central to his thinking. 624 00:42:59,975 --> 00:43:01,644 The most important contribution 625 00:43:01,678 --> 00:43:04,481 that he made was as a philosopher, 626 00:43:04,513 --> 00:43:06,115 and as an occultist. 627 00:43:06,149 --> 00:43:07,584 His maxim was "Do what thou wilt 628 00:43:07,617 --> 00:43:09,185 shall be the whole of the law." 629 00:43:11,153 --> 00:43:13,956 Which effectively doesn't mean go off 630 00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:16,126 and do whatever you want to do. 631 00:43:16,158 --> 00:43:19,995 It's actually discovering what your will is in the world. 632 00:43:20,028 --> 00:43:23,132 And that one purpose that you're here to achieve. 633 00:43:23,165 --> 00:43:26,169 And then focus all one's energy on doing that will. 634 00:43:29,171 --> 00:43:31,641 "I do not wish to propagate any cult, 635 00:43:32,142 --> 00:43:34,044 even the witch cult, 636 00:43:34,077 --> 00:43:37,613 change society, establish a better world for others. 637 00:43:38,214 --> 00:43:40,984 These things leave me entirely indifferent. 638 00:43:41,651 --> 00:43:45,055 I have what I prefer to describe as a function. 639 00:43:45,588 --> 00:43:49,059 The function is that of focus and catalyst. 640 00:43:50,926 --> 00:43:52,629 And this function is best served 641 00:43:52,662 --> 00:43:55,299 by my performing my own personal will. 642 00:43:56,265 --> 00:43:58,767 And not caring a damn about effects good or bad 643 00:43:58,801 --> 00:44:00,037 on other people." 644 00:44:05,073 --> 00:44:06,242 The idea of sex magic 645 00:44:06,274 --> 00:44:08,345 is that one can harness one's will 646 00:44:08,377 --> 00:44:10,312 to effect change in the universe 647 00:44:10,345 --> 00:44:12,581 through sacred sexuality, essentially. 648 00:44:29,031 --> 00:44:32,669 Roie and Gavin and Goossens were all bisexual. 649 00:44:33,035 --> 00:44:35,571 "I love the erotic sense, 650 00:44:35,604 --> 00:44:38,607 especially when it forms a kind of undertone to life. 651 00:44:38,975 --> 00:44:41,578 It is a continuous voluptuous response 652 00:44:41,611 --> 00:44:43,580 of all the senses to stimulate, 653 00:44:43,613 --> 00:44:45,214 a kind of sexual awareness." 654 00:45:07,537 --> 00:45:10,173 This is a strong woman advocating 655 00:45:10,673 --> 00:45:12,175 a form of women's liberation. 656 00:45:12,207 --> 00:45:15,144 In the early 1950s in a conservative country, 657 00:45:15,444 --> 00:45:17,713 you can imagine how much that must have horrified people, 658 00:45:17,747 --> 00:45:19,281 especially as the population 659 00:45:19,314 --> 00:45:21,383 was like 80% Christian, or whatever. 660 00:45:21,417 --> 00:45:24,721 So Christian conservative culture 661 00:45:24,754 --> 00:45:28,691 versus a strong sexually active artistic woman 662 00:45:28,723 --> 00:45:30,426 who identifies as a witch. 663 00:45:52,647 --> 00:45:56,653 Roie lived expressing herself sexually 664 00:45:56,685 --> 00:45:58,488 however she wanted. 665 00:46:01,857 --> 00:46:04,394 "The fallacy that men are naturally polygamous 666 00:46:04,426 --> 00:46:06,195 and women monogamous, 667 00:46:06,229 --> 00:46:09,566 is belied by physiological facts and ecology. 668 00:46:09,832 --> 00:46:12,734 Nature intended women to be polyandrous, 669 00:46:12,767 --> 00:46:16,106 as evinced by the ability of any normally sexed woman 670 00:46:16,138 --> 00:46:17,372 to have several orgasms, 671 00:46:19,242 --> 00:46:21,444 to any normally sexed man's one. 672 00:46:30,218 --> 00:46:33,222 Satanists at Cross in weird ritual. 673 00:46:33,256 --> 00:46:34,757 A blonde girl exposed a rotten core 674 00:46:34,789 --> 00:46:36,425 of perversion in Kings Cross. 675 00:46:36,459 --> 00:46:37,727 She spoke of black masses, 676 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,696 witches, sex orgies, drugs and weird people. 677 00:46:40,729 --> 00:46:43,867 The Witch of Kings Cross, revealed. 678 00:46:54,042 --> 00:46:56,412 It was the eve of the 2nd of October 679 00:46:56,444 --> 00:47:01,117 at Rosaleen Norton's birthday party, and I was there. 680 00:47:01,383 --> 00:47:03,619 And we had Cinzano Rossi, 681 00:47:03,653 --> 00:47:07,223 and we had her favourite, green ginger wine. 682 00:47:07,256 --> 00:47:08,324 And mine, too. 683 00:47:08,356 --> 00:47:09,625 I loved them both. 684 00:47:09,658 --> 00:47:12,928 And we also stayed awake all night. 685 00:47:16,198 --> 00:47:20,302 The party began about 4 o'clock in the afternoon. 686 00:47:20,502 --> 00:47:25,742 It continued on and on and on until midnight, past midnight, 687 00:47:25,774 --> 00:47:27,876 into the small hours of the morning. 688 00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:32,448 And then right down into 2 o'clock in the afternoon, 689 00:47:32,481 --> 00:47:35,852 when there's a tramp, tramp, tramp on stairs. 690 00:47:35,885 --> 00:47:37,386 The coppers are coming. 691 00:47:37,419 --> 00:47:40,990 So the coppers come in and they make accusations 692 00:47:41,022 --> 00:47:42,658 of a criminal offence. 693 00:47:45,861 --> 00:47:50,567 They were charged with the abominable crime of buggery. 694 00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:54,237 And do you know, that's the only crime in the whole book, 695 00:47:54,502 --> 00:47:57,839 the law book, that has an adjective describing it. 696 00:48:05,048 --> 00:48:06,848 "A roll of film had been stolen 697 00:48:06,881 --> 00:48:09,751 from my house by two foolish lads." 698 00:48:10,885 --> 00:48:13,956 They started hawking them around the newspapers. 699 00:48:14,323 --> 00:48:16,992 "The Sun newspaper called the vice squad 700 00:48:17,026 --> 00:48:19,462 and Detective Trevenar was on our case." 701 00:48:21,363 --> 00:48:24,466 Detective Sergeant Trevenar, oh, one word about him, 702 00:48:24,499 --> 00:48:27,636 this was a man of bad will, very bad will. 703 00:48:27,937 --> 00:48:30,473 He was an agent for the Roman church. 704 00:48:30,738 --> 00:48:32,508 He wanted to burn her. 705 00:48:33,408 --> 00:48:36,511 Now, Roie and Gavin were hated by journalists 706 00:48:36,544 --> 00:48:38,447 and they were hated by the police. 707 00:48:39,381 --> 00:48:41,650 Once the party had broken up, 708 00:48:41,684 --> 00:48:44,321 Norton and Greenlees has gone away. 709 00:48:44,553 --> 00:48:47,689 The Sun reporter, Joe Morrison, actually went in 710 00:48:47,722 --> 00:48:49,958 and searched Norton's apartment, 711 00:48:49,992 --> 00:48:52,894 which was obviously completely illegal 712 00:48:52,928 --> 00:48:55,265 and quite an extraordinary action, 713 00:48:55,298 --> 00:48:56,899 but took place nonetheless. 714 00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,801 And in the course of doing that, 715 00:48:59,834 --> 00:49:02,238 he found a small cache of letters. 716 00:49:02,972 --> 00:49:04,706 "My personal letters from Goossens 717 00:49:04,740 --> 00:49:07,611 were stolen from their secret hiding place." 718 00:49:08,178 --> 00:49:10,747 Unfortunately for Goossens and Norton, 719 00:49:10,780 --> 00:49:13,450 the letters were very explicit in their content. 720 00:49:13,783 --> 00:49:16,019 There was a lot of sexual references 721 00:49:16,051 --> 00:49:17,787 and a lot of occult references. 722 00:49:17,819 --> 00:49:20,722 And it was immediately clear that they were involved 723 00:49:20,756 --> 00:49:24,560 in the practise of what's known as sex magic. 724 00:49:27,830 --> 00:49:29,999 The letters that haven't been released 725 00:49:30,031 --> 00:49:34,336 in any great detail, talk about the magical relationship 726 00:49:34,370 --> 00:49:37,574 between Goossens, Norton and Gavin. 727 00:49:40,743 --> 00:49:43,046 And the essence of it is that they were very interested 728 00:49:43,078 --> 00:49:43,979 in the idea of meeting 729 00:49:44,013 --> 00:49:46,316 on what you could call the astral plane. 730 00:49:47,082 --> 00:49:49,452 Roie Norton could be in touch with Goossens 731 00:49:49,484 --> 00:49:50,687 when he was over in Europe. 732 00:49:51,486 --> 00:49:53,055 They could all be together performing 733 00:49:53,089 --> 00:49:54,924 what you might call an astral ritual. 734 00:49:58,827 --> 00:50:00,595 "Consciousness changed 735 00:50:00,629 --> 00:50:02,899 and I passed the barriers of plane. 736 00:50:03,765 --> 00:50:06,602 There I was in a different part of the realm 737 00:50:06,935 --> 00:50:10,673 performing functions impossible to describe in human terms." 738 00:50:11,941 --> 00:50:15,078 "I flitted and swooped among great shapes. 739 00:50:16,812 --> 00:50:19,015 They appeared to be engrossed in something, 740 00:50:19,647 --> 00:50:23,586 and I saw other shapes and designs emanate from the realm, 741 00:50:23,618 --> 00:50:25,687 into the dark void below, 742 00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:27,756 where they blended into new patterns 743 00:50:27,789 --> 00:50:29,458 with those already there. 744 00:50:30,926 --> 00:50:34,331 One of them shouted in a great ringing golden voice." 745 00:50:38,066 --> 00:50:39,935 "And the sound was visual." 746 00:50:49,944 --> 00:50:52,816 So Goossens was always going over to Europe. 747 00:50:53,249 --> 00:50:55,785 So he would go to occult bookshops in London, 748 00:50:55,818 --> 00:50:58,888 he would go to rather seedy places in Soho, 749 00:50:59,455 --> 00:51:01,591 he would go to dodgy art galleries. 750 00:51:01,624 --> 00:51:02,859 And he'd come back with all this stuff. 751 00:51:02,892 --> 00:51:03,893 He came back with things 752 00:51:03,926 --> 00:51:05,495 that were deemed to be pornographic. 753 00:51:05,727 --> 00:51:09,465 Goossens comes back in to the country 754 00:51:09,665 --> 00:51:12,368 and immediately his bags are searched. 755 00:51:20,810 --> 00:51:23,546 What Customs discover... 756 00:51:23,578 --> 00:51:27,182 is, allegedly, pornographic material. 757 00:51:27,883 --> 00:51:30,419 There were things that you'd call, 758 00:51:30,452 --> 00:51:32,487 well, lightweight pornography perhaps, 759 00:51:32,521 --> 00:51:34,557 but I mean they were not that dramatic. 760 00:51:34,890 --> 00:51:36,725 There are ritual masks in there 761 00:51:36,758 --> 00:51:38,627 and there are a few dodgy photographs, 762 00:51:38,660 --> 00:51:41,597 but nothing really, really extreme. 763 00:51:43,531 --> 00:51:47,736 And Goossens was arrested at Sydney airport 764 00:51:47,769 --> 00:51:51,206 by Customs for bringing in prohibited goods. 765 00:51:51,839 --> 00:51:53,575 The media had a field day, 766 00:51:53,609 --> 00:51:57,113 because the media could allude to whatever they wanted. 767 00:51:57,812 --> 00:52:01,483 The mind of the Australian reader can run riot. 768 00:52:02,452 --> 00:52:04,787 "Trevenar was obsessed with Gavin and I. 769 00:52:05,488 --> 00:52:09,892 Unfortunately, Eugene was caught in the crossfire." 770 00:52:17,232 --> 00:52:19,468 Don't forget that Goossens was knighted 771 00:52:19,502 --> 00:52:22,905 by the Queen in 1955 for services to music. 772 00:52:22,937 --> 00:52:26,541 He was a major figure in the Sydney art and music world. 773 00:52:26,575 --> 00:52:28,544 He was really a major icon. 774 00:52:34,550 --> 00:52:38,754 His career was ended immediately. 775 00:52:41,122 --> 00:52:43,760 He very quickly resigned from the ABC 776 00:52:44,060 --> 00:52:46,028 and got on a plane under a pseudonym 777 00:52:46,060 --> 00:52:47,463 and went back to England. 778 00:52:51,533 --> 00:52:54,703 He didn't live very long after that. 779 00:52:57,171 --> 00:52:59,107 She was very, very upset. 780 00:52:59,140 --> 00:53:00,843 Very upset indeed. 781 00:53:08,216 --> 00:53:10,052 And did she talk about it? 782 00:53:13,955 --> 00:53:16,091 Only to say to me that: 783 00:53:16,124 --> 00:53:18,693 "Goossens does not blame me for it. 784 00:53:18,727 --> 00:53:20,296 Regardless of the rumours, 785 00:53:20,328 --> 00:53:23,131 Goossens does not blame me for it." 786 00:53:28,638 --> 00:53:31,074 Roie, in a way, was left by herself. 787 00:53:31,473 --> 00:53:36,578 And it also further alienated Norton from polite society. 788 00:53:36,611 --> 00:53:40,082 She was well and truly personae non grata now. 789 00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:42,218 She was dangerous. 790 00:53:48,591 --> 00:53:51,694 "I remember, but time turned back upon itself 791 00:53:51,727 --> 00:53:53,263 and curved another way." 792 00:53:55,263 --> 00:53:59,568 "And I was lost, a phantom from the future in the past. 793 00:54:00,068 --> 00:54:02,237 The past, or was it the future? 794 00:54:02,537 --> 00:54:06,641 I was wandering astray, amid the maze of time 795 00:54:06,675 --> 00:54:09,178 where there was neither first nor last." 796 00:54:11,412 --> 00:54:13,148 Witch hunt on artists. 797 00:54:13,481 --> 00:54:16,985 Opening his address to the jury, Norton's counsel said, 798 00:54:17,019 --> 00:54:19,955 "In the olden days they used to burn witches. 799 00:54:19,988 --> 00:54:21,323 But there are still witch hunts 800 00:54:21,356 --> 00:54:24,359 by the authorities and by newspapers." 801 00:54:26,595 --> 00:54:28,363 "Trevenar didn't give up. 802 00:54:28,796 --> 00:54:30,899 He persisted with the buggery charges 803 00:54:30,932 --> 00:54:34,169 from the stolen photographs from more than a year ago." 804 00:54:35,269 --> 00:54:37,139 "Gavin and I were taken to jail." 805 00:54:43,745 --> 00:54:47,050 "I packed my bag for an overnight stay in Long Bay Jail, 806 00:54:47,749 --> 00:54:50,852 containing three prohibited drugs and a banned book, 807 00:54:51,919 --> 00:54:55,791 mercifully intercepted later by my sister Cecily. 808 00:54:56,225 --> 00:54:58,260 During a previous aborted hearing, 809 00:54:58,292 --> 00:55:00,829 I had been told to remove all costume jewellery. 810 00:55:01,763 --> 00:55:04,867 So I decided to overcome this by wearing a dress 811 00:55:04,899 --> 00:55:07,703 patterned with tigers, one of my totems." 812 00:55:12,874 --> 00:55:16,378 I got onto the stand, and the lawyer says 813 00:55:16,412 --> 00:55:17,980 "What did you see? 814 00:55:18,013 --> 00:55:21,384 Would you have seen an offence had it occurred?" 815 00:55:21,417 --> 00:55:24,953 Of course I would have, yes, I was all over the place. 816 00:55:24,986 --> 00:55:27,022 It was a party, man. 817 00:55:27,055 --> 00:55:31,260 And we were all drunk and dexo-ed and so on. 818 00:55:31,292 --> 00:55:34,129 That's how I was able to stay awake all that time. 819 00:55:34,162 --> 00:55:35,330 You know what dexos are? 820 00:55:35,363 --> 00:55:36,698 Amphetamines. 821 00:55:38,734 --> 00:55:41,737 Previous to that, Detective Sergeant Trevenar 822 00:55:41,769 --> 00:55:45,207 had made a fool of himself in the witness box. 823 00:55:45,740 --> 00:55:47,709 "When Detective Trevenar was asked 824 00:55:47,743 --> 00:55:49,679 to describe the contents of the room, 825 00:55:49,912 --> 00:55:51,446 he couldn't describe anything else 826 00:55:51,479 --> 00:55:53,849 but the altars at each end of the room 827 00:55:54,749 --> 00:55:56,452 and a painting of the God Pan. 828 00:55:57,118 --> 00:56:01,957 He had to be asked, 'Was there a bed? If so, where?'" 829 00:56:02,290 --> 00:56:03,792 And the judge had said, 830 00:56:03,825 --> 00:56:06,428 "Detective Trevenar, I'll not have you carrying on 831 00:56:06,461 --> 00:56:08,764 like a cheeky bikie in my court." 832 00:56:13,035 --> 00:56:15,271 "I smuggled in enough smokes, 833 00:56:15,303 --> 00:56:17,939 eighteen, but forgot matches. 834 00:56:19,073 --> 00:56:21,943 The second night I made sure of matches, 835 00:56:21,977 --> 00:56:23,745 but only three smokes." 836 00:56:24,245 --> 00:56:28,149 Gavin, well he was really unfit to plead. 837 00:56:28,182 --> 00:56:29,851 He was halfway round the bend, 838 00:56:29,885 --> 00:56:33,055 he was crazy on Dexedrine most of the time. 839 00:56:34,555 --> 00:56:36,958 A barrister told a Quarter Sessions jury today 840 00:56:36,992 --> 00:56:39,828 that a young man charged with an unnatural offence 841 00:56:39,861 --> 00:56:42,432 had been a youth of promise, even of brilliance. 842 00:56:42,999 --> 00:56:44,899 He stands in this dock today 843 00:56:44,932 --> 00:56:48,704 as a man who carries the taint of declared insanity. 844 00:56:48,937 --> 00:56:51,439 Gavin Greenlees had earlier been committed 845 00:56:51,472 --> 00:56:53,475 to a psychiatric institution. 846 00:56:53,809 --> 00:56:57,312 He was schizophrenic, he had epileptic attacks as well. 847 00:56:57,745 --> 00:57:00,014 If the jury released Greenlees, 848 00:57:00,048 --> 00:57:03,352 he would go back to Callan Park as an insane person. 849 00:57:04,586 --> 00:57:08,022 And the jury retired, they came back and said 850 00:57:08,055 --> 00:57:10,358 "Not guilty. Not guilty. Not guilty. Not guilty." 851 00:57:10,392 --> 00:57:11,961 All 12 of them. 852 00:57:11,993 --> 00:57:13,095 And the judge said, 853 00:57:13,127 --> 00:57:15,131 "Mr Greenlees and Miss Norton, 854 00:57:15,164 --> 00:57:18,734 you are discharged without stain on character." 855 00:57:20,169 --> 00:57:23,004 Girl artist, lover beat charge. 856 00:57:23,939 --> 00:57:25,241 She smiled broadly 857 00:57:25,274 --> 00:57:27,310 when the not guilty verdict was announced. 858 00:57:33,147 --> 00:57:36,117 Told she could leave, she turned on her heel, 859 00:57:36,151 --> 00:57:38,988 but turned back to touch Greenlees affectionately 860 00:57:39,021 --> 00:57:40,089 on the arm. 861 00:57:57,406 --> 00:58:00,943 Gavin Greenlees is one of the true victims 862 00:58:00,975 --> 00:58:03,211 of Australian conservatism. 863 00:58:05,446 --> 00:58:07,982 And what we find with Gavin is that Roie 864 00:58:08,015 --> 00:58:11,921 was the one force of stability in his life, 865 00:58:11,953 --> 00:58:13,856 and without her he didn't seem 866 00:58:13,888 --> 00:58:17,392 to be able to function very effectively in society. 867 00:58:24,966 --> 00:58:27,035 Art works to be destroyed. 868 00:58:27,403 --> 00:58:29,839 After an exhibition at the Kashmir café 869 00:58:29,872 --> 00:58:32,308 was raided by vice squad detectives, 870 00:58:32,341 --> 00:58:34,410 a court has ordered that two paintings 871 00:58:34,443 --> 00:58:37,312 by Rosaleen Norton be burnt by police. 872 00:58:46,021 --> 00:58:48,390 This was a truly extraordinary occurrence. 873 00:58:48,423 --> 00:58:50,292 I couldn't find any reference 874 00:58:50,325 --> 00:58:52,627 to the judicially sanctioned destruction 875 00:58:52,660 --> 00:58:55,330 of art in Australia prior to this. 876 00:58:56,064 --> 00:58:58,133 Her exhibitions were shut down, 877 00:58:58,165 --> 00:59:00,068 her artwork was taken 878 00:59:00,102 --> 00:59:02,104 and effectively destroyed by the government. 879 00:59:02,136 --> 00:59:03,638 The worst thing about it was the art industry 880 00:59:03,671 --> 00:59:05,207 did nothing about it. 881 00:59:05,707 --> 00:59:08,109 No one seems to have stood up for her. 882 00:59:08,510 --> 00:59:11,213 She was really left alone at that point in time, 883 00:59:11,245 --> 00:59:13,182 which I think was pretty bad. 884 00:59:15,517 --> 00:59:17,553 "I had noticed about people's reactions 885 00:59:17,586 --> 00:59:18,988 to my drawings. 886 00:59:19,754 --> 00:59:22,425 They are inclined to see themselves in them, 887 00:59:22,725 --> 00:59:25,227 in the sense of their own inner ideas 888 00:59:25,260 --> 00:59:27,463 and preoccupations upon them." 889 00:59:38,339 --> 00:59:40,309 We often scapegoat and marginalise 890 00:59:40,341 --> 00:59:44,312 those that bring our shadow to the light to be integrated. 891 00:59:45,347 --> 00:59:48,316 So something that is denied or repressed within us, 892 00:59:48,350 --> 00:59:50,286 that when we see it in an artwork, 893 00:59:50,318 --> 00:59:52,654 it's easier to demonise that artist 894 00:59:52,687 --> 00:59:55,057 and say that is not reflective of us. 895 00:59:55,089 --> 00:59:57,660 That is something that is only to the individual. 896 00:59:57,693 --> 00:59:58,727 But what we can see 897 00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:02,063 is that we both have a collective shadow as well, 898 01:00:02,097 --> 01:00:05,401 and in those images what we're seeing is images 899 01:00:05,434 --> 01:00:07,269 that are of the other. 900 01:00:07,301 --> 01:00:08,504 Of the us. 901 01:00:09,238 --> 01:00:10,973 She is actually painting something 902 01:00:11,006 --> 01:00:14,176 that is within the collective that the individual 903 01:00:14,209 --> 01:00:16,312 has not yet had the strength to look at 904 01:00:16,345 --> 01:00:18,513 and to integrate within themselves. 905 01:00:31,258 --> 01:00:34,729 She was a totally unique individual; 906 01:00:34,763 --> 01:00:37,466 an artist, a radical, an outsider. 907 01:00:37,499 --> 01:00:39,535 And she was uncompromising. 908 01:00:39,568 --> 01:00:41,470 She wasn't going to give up her art 909 01:00:41,502 --> 01:00:43,037 and what she believed in, 910 01:00:43,071 --> 01:00:45,240 simply because the police raided her shows 911 01:00:45,272 --> 01:00:49,444 and tried to censor her works and thoughts and so on. 912 01:00:49,845 --> 01:00:53,082 So in that sense she would have been a kind of, 913 01:00:53,115 --> 01:00:54,984 what I call, a monstrous feminine. 914 01:00:59,553 --> 01:01:03,524 A larger than life mythical female character 915 01:01:03,557 --> 01:01:06,194 who struck fear, to some extent, 916 01:01:06,227 --> 01:01:08,229 in the hearts of the average. 917 01:01:08,997 --> 01:01:12,234 But people also clamour for this, 918 01:01:12,566 --> 01:01:14,302 because she crosses boundaries, 919 01:01:14,336 --> 01:01:15,738 she's so interesting. 920 01:01:23,144 --> 01:01:25,546 She had her own career and she was an artist 921 01:01:25,580 --> 01:01:28,617 and she lived according to her own philosophy, 922 01:01:28,649 --> 01:01:32,387 and she had relationships with different men. 923 01:01:32,421 --> 01:01:33,321 She threatened everything 924 01:01:33,356 --> 01:01:36,658 that the sanctity of the home stood for, 925 01:01:36,691 --> 01:01:39,294 and I imagine there was a strong element of that 926 01:01:39,327 --> 01:01:41,196 in her demonization. 927 01:01:41,397 --> 01:01:43,499 There was no doubt she was made a scapegoat. 928 01:01:45,399 --> 01:01:49,470 I think she was so badly treated 929 01:01:49,504 --> 01:01:54,743 and sensationalised that by the late 1950's 930 01:01:55,144 --> 01:01:58,781 she waged her own war with the Australian media. 931 01:02:01,216 --> 01:02:05,187 And she took the media on, on her own terms. 932 01:02:07,254 --> 01:02:12,060 And she fought back to all the misrepresentations, 933 01:02:12,093 --> 01:02:15,263 and she did it in the most ironic way. 934 01:02:15,296 --> 01:02:19,534 She embraced the stereotypical image of the witch, 935 01:02:19,568 --> 01:02:23,638 right down to the fact that she posed for photographers 936 01:02:23,671 --> 01:02:25,640 wearing a pointy hat. 937 01:02:28,343 --> 01:02:30,178 Once she took them on, 938 01:02:30,211 --> 01:02:32,414 the media didn't have any more control over her, 939 01:02:32,446 --> 01:02:34,316 she controlled the media. 940 01:02:34,749 --> 01:02:36,385 What would be the state of the world 941 01:02:36,417 --> 01:02:37,819 if evil ruled? 942 01:02:37,852 --> 01:02:39,789 Exactly what it is. 943 01:02:40,388 --> 01:02:42,591 What is your answer to the old Bible saying 944 01:02:42,624 --> 01:02:44,526 that the devil is a great deceiver? 945 01:02:44,559 --> 01:02:47,729 That man created the devil in his own image. 946 01:02:48,729 --> 01:02:49,798 I am a witch. 947 01:02:51,365 --> 01:02:53,134 I was born a witch. 948 01:02:56,872 --> 01:03:00,876 The witchcraft aspects that she gave to the media 949 01:03:00,908 --> 01:03:02,577 were almost caricature. 950 01:03:04,345 --> 01:03:05,680 She was a player, you know. 951 01:03:05,714 --> 01:03:07,716 She was out to get attention and she got it. 952 01:03:07,948 --> 01:03:11,486 A big aspect of what Rosaleen did was create herself. 953 01:03:11,519 --> 01:03:13,621 And that's very, very contemporary art. 954 01:03:16,158 --> 01:03:17,726 Her real art was her. 955 01:03:25,232 --> 01:03:27,769 In the name of the horned god, 956 01:03:30,338 --> 01:03:31,841 above and below, 957 01:03:32,908 --> 01:03:37,246 within and without, around and about, here and there. 958 01:03:38,914 --> 01:03:41,316 She brought a world of magic 959 01:03:41,348 --> 01:03:43,285 and the occult with her, 960 01:03:43,318 --> 01:03:44,319 and it was in her presence. 961 01:03:47,555 --> 01:03:50,658 The spirits of the gods, that they be with me, 962 01:03:50,691 --> 01:03:52,460 and with that, which we are, 963 01:03:58,332 --> 01:03:59,535 there and here, 964 01:04:00,702 --> 01:04:05,540 and I drink, and you drink, as you drink. 965 01:04:18,953 --> 01:04:22,524 It takes a lot of courage just to be Rosaleen Norton 966 01:04:22,557 --> 01:04:25,560 and open the door and walk out onto the street. 967 01:04:29,464 --> 01:04:31,732 So when she was going through the Cross, 968 01:04:31,765 --> 01:04:34,001 she's used to people attacking her. 969 01:04:34,035 --> 01:04:35,370 And that would have hurt. 970 01:04:36,604 --> 01:04:38,673 So she would have built up all these defences 971 01:04:38,707 --> 01:04:41,310 from a lifetime of hurt and misunderstanding. 972 01:04:41,609 --> 01:04:44,579 And that's why in some ways she was probably scary. 973 01:04:49,350 --> 01:04:50,919 This is Pied Percy. 974 01:04:50,952 --> 01:04:52,821 Come on then, don't be nervous. 975 01:04:52,854 --> 01:04:53,856 Hello. 976 01:04:55,256 --> 01:04:56,425 Hello, sweetie. 977 01:05:02,030 --> 01:05:04,332 He's a fine young up and coming familiar because 978 01:05:04,732 --> 01:05:06,535 some animals are, 979 01:05:07,602 --> 01:05:10,405 I love nearly all animals, actually, 980 01:05:10,437 --> 01:05:12,773 some of them are natural familiars 981 01:05:12,807 --> 01:05:13,943 and others aren't. 982 01:05:14,908 --> 01:05:16,477 This bloke is. 983 01:05:34,296 --> 01:05:35,631 In these images that were taken 984 01:05:35,664 --> 01:05:36,932 at her sister's house, 985 01:05:36,964 --> 01:05:39,901 without actually the witch's personae there, 986 01:05:40,167 --> 01:05:44,472 what I see is a woman that is self-possessed. 987 01:05:49,611 --> 01:05:50,879 There's no need for the eyebrows, 988 01:05:50,912 --> 01:05:52,080 there's no need for the fringe, 989 01:05:52,113 --> 01:05:53,649 there's no need for the dress. 990 01:05:54,548 --> 01:05:56,317 This is the example of someone 991 01:05:56,350 --> 01:05:58,919 being a sovereign unto one's self. 992 01:05:58,952 --> 01:06:00,922 I rule myself. 993 01:06:07,896 --> 01:06:10,698 Her work is best described 994 01:06:10,731 --> 01:06:13,901 as a magical diary of her experiences. 995 01:06:19,740 --> 01:06:22,476 She is painting and drawing with her own aesthetics 996 01:06:22,510 --> 01:06:23,410 and her own language. 997 01:06:23,444 --> 01:06:25,113 I mean the way that she arranged figures 998 01:06:25,146 --> 01:06:27,515 and the way that she composed her colours 999 01:06:27,548 --> 01:06:28,783 and everything was something that 1000 01:06:28,816 --> 01:06:31,286 none of the artists of her age even attempted. 1001 01:06:35,656 --> 01:06:37,859 Her art was her journey, it was her religion, 1002 01:06:37,892 --> 01:06:40,928 it was how she got to where she was going, 1003 01:06:40,961 --> 01:06:43,498 and how she reflected her visions. 1004 01:06:50,171 --> 01:06:51,373 From my point of view, 1005 01:06:51,406 --> 01:06:52,808 the most interesting art is the art 1006 01:06:52,841 --> 01:06:55,510 that makes people stop and think, 1007 01:06:55,542 --> 01:06:58,513 that perhaps threatens us to some extent in our views, 1008 01:06:58,747 --> 01:07:00,649 but certainly makes us think differently. 1009 01:07:00,682 --> 01:07:03,785 And I'm sure that's what her works did. 1010 01:07:06,187 --> 01:07:08,757 It is jarring art and it's meant to be jarring art. 1011 01:07:08,789 --> 01:07:10,358 It's meant to be challenging. 1012 01:07:10,392 --> 01:07:11,593 That's the whole idea of it. 1013 01:07:11,626 --> 01:07:12,993 That's what the surrealists were trying to do. 1014 01:07:13,026 --> 01:07:14,396 They were trying to rattle you; 1015 01:07:14,428 --> 01:07:17,432 they were trying to challenge the viewer. 1016 01:07:17,464 --> 01:07:18,834 They, from the outset, 1017 01:07:18,867 --> 01:07:20,736 Breton said, "This is not an artistic movement, 1018 01:07:20,769 --> 01:07:21,937 this is a revolution. 1019 01:07:21,970 --> 01:07:24,106 I want to actually start a cultural revolution 1020 01:07:24,138 --> 01:07:25,439 through art." 1021 01:07:25,472 --> 01:07:28,876 And esoteric artists like Norton 1022 01:07:28,910 --> 01:07:30,779 were doing a similar revolution. 1023 01:07:43,658 --> 01:07:46,627 There's huge cultural shifts in the mid-20th century. 1024 01:07:48,430 --> 01:07:50,065 There was an opening up of culture. 1025 01:07:51,765 --> 01:07:53,635 Her work has been seized and destroyed, 1026 01:07:53,667 --> 01:07:56,437 and within ten years you've got all of this stuff happening. 1027 01:08:04,711 --> 01:08:09,417 That was a time when everyone was looking at the occult. 1028 01:08:18,459 --> 01:08:19,961 "The true Fallen Angel 1029 01:08:19,994 --> 01:08:22,097 is the spirit of mankind." 1030 01:08:24,466 --> 01:08:26,901 As mankind becomes more civilised 1031 01:08:27,135 --> 01:08:29,637 it increasingly assails nature, 1032 01:08:32,739 --> 01:08:36,577 who has no choice but to set herself up as its adversary." 1033 01:08:38,980 --> 01:08:42,050 "Worship nature, not the dollar." 1034 01:08:44,752 --> 01:08:47,222 She didn't ever get the respect in her life 1035 01:08:47,254 --> 01:08:48,856 that she really deserved. 1036 01:08:51,092 --> 01:08:53,227 She started something really important, 1037 01:08:53,261 --> 01:08:54,696 artistically, culturally. 1038 01:08:54,729 --> 01:08:57,566 She was a part of the counterculture itself. 1039 01:08:57,598 --> 01:08:59,100 She was a key part of that in a way 1040 01:08:59,132 --> 01:09:00,901 that maybe we haven't really considered. 1041 01:09:03,605 --> 01:09:06,708 And the fact that people don't really know who she was, 1042 01:09:07,742 --> 01:09:10,812 that's really sad, because her work is so important. 1043 01:09:15,283 --> 01:09:16,785 Rosaleen Norton would probably be 1044 01:09:16,818 --> 01:09:20,055 one of the most exciting artists in Australia 1045 01:09:20,087 --> 01:09:21,155 that came from that period. 1046 01:09:21,189 --> 01:09:23,658 I think she was really doing something exceptional 1047 01:09:23,690 --> 01:09:26,595 and something that could have stood on a world stage 1048 01:09:26,628 --> 01:09:29,764 if it was really just given the right kind of support 1049 01:09:29,797 --> 01:09:32,067 and education and context. 1050 01:09:32,499 --> 01:09:35,035 Not just in her age, but in today's age. 1051 01:09:44,878 --> 01:09:45,946 Why I think we should be taking 1052 01:09:45,980 --> 01:09:47,281 the importance of this now, 1053 01:09:47,315 --> 01:09:49,852 it's the rise of the divine feminine. 1054 01:09:51,653 --> 01:09:53,687 I think it's not just about saying well, 1055 01:09:53,721 --> 01:09:56,825 patriarchy has had its time it's now back to matriarchy, 1056 01:09:56,857 --> 01:09:59,961 but definitely a matrifocal society. 1057 01:09:59,994 --> 01:10:03,565 And I think her work is really the uprising of the feminine 1058 01:10:03,597 --> 01:10:05,501 at an archetypal level, 1059 01:10:05,868 --> 01:10:10,539 and also the feminine as the anima mundi, the world soul. 1060 01:10:19,948 --> 01:10:21,850 Can you hear me? 1061 01:10:24,052 --> 01:10:26,555 In the deep scent of midnight. 1062 01:10:28,056 --> 01:10:29,790 In the secret colour, 1063 01:10:29,824 --> 01:10:33,095 above and beneath the spectrum, is life. 1064 01:10:34,895 --> 01:10:36,964 Can you see me? 1065 01:10:38,065 --> 01:10:40,568 In the wild laughter of chaos. 1066 01:10:43,270 --> 01:10:46,707 In the moonlit houses and night lit streets 1067 01:10:49,843 --> 01:10:56,584 In the seed of secrets, the still core of silence, is life. 1068 01:11:09,029 --> 01:11:11,999 Roie was a recluse right through the '70s, 1069 01:11:12,033 --> 01:11:17,038 but in November 1978, she became sick 1070 01:11:17,070 --> 01:11:19,807 and she went for various medical tests. 1071 01:11:22,176 --> 01:11:26,280 Roie was diagnosed with colon cancer 1072 01:11:26,314 --> 01:11:29,383 when she was in her very early 60s. 1073 01:11:30,584 --> 01:11:33,887 And she had to be admitted to St. Vincent's Hospital 1074 01:11:33,921 --> 01:11:35,190 in the hospice there, 1075 01:11:35,589 --> 01:11:37,926 where she was treated by Roman Catholic nuns, 1076 01:11:37,958 --> 01:11:39,327 which was a great irony. 1077 01:11:42,930 --> 01:11:45,133 Here she was, the great witch of Kings Cross 1078 01:11:45,165 --> 01:11:47,068 with crucifixes on the wall, 1079 01:11:47,101 --> 01:11:48,837 but I think she thought it was a great hoot. 1080 01:11:51,105 --> 01:11:54,610 I came back to Sydney once 1081 01:11:55,077 --> 01:11:59,080 and I heard that Roie was dying in the hospital. 1082 01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,950 And I wanted to go and see her, 1083 01:12:02,984 --> 01:12:06,421 but I didn't know where that hospital was, 1084 01:12:06,454 --> 01:12:08,290 and I just didn't go. 1085 01:12:08,522 --> 01:12:10,025 And I regret it, 1086 01:12:10,525 --> 01:12:14,129 because I can imagine her lying in a hospital bed and saying 1087 01:12:14,162 --> 01:12:17,365 "Oh Christ, Eileen, lovely to see you." 1088 01:12:23,770 --> 01:12:26,006 Well, she was a colourful character 1089 01:12:26,039 --> 01:12:28,209 and I'm glad I knew her. 1090 01:12:34,181 --> 01:12:37,217 Rosaleen Norton's last words were, 1091 01:12:37,251 --> 01:12:39,721 "I came into this world bravely, 1092 01:12:39,753 --> 01:12:42,356 and I will leave this world bravely". 1093 01:13:15,556 --> 01:13:17,693 Can you hear me? 1094 01:13:20,261 --> 01:13:23,131 I live in the green blooded forest. 1095 01:13:29,971 --> 01:13:33,174 I live in the white fire of powers. 1096 01:13:40,981 --> 01:13:44,218 I live in the scarlet blossom of magic. 1097 01:13:49,856 --> 01:13:52,293 I live in infinity. 1098 01:13:58,065 --> 01:13:59,067 I live. 1099 01:14:10,912 --> 01:14:12,012 I live. 1100 01:14:19,942 --> 01:14:22,192 Provided by explosiveskull https://twitter.com/kaboomskull 85717

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