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This program me contains
some strong language.
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A child is a thing to be loved.
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A child is the manifestations
of both parents,
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and both parents see themselves
in the child.
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The child is part of them.
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He is their flesh and blood.
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And for good many years,
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he is a reflection
of their personality.
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So when he grows up, one day he's
going to assert his own personality,
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which might very well differ
from the personalities
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and outlooks of his parents.
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Immediately, his parents
feel very upset.
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You know, they don't see
themselves in him any more.
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And when these parents
don't see themselves in him,
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they feel they've lost him.
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But really, he's become
a human being in his own right.
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Brian's troubled relationship
with his parents
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would affect him
throughout his life.
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His parents disapproved
of his lifestyle.
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They wanted Brian to have
a proper job like his father.
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At the age of just 19,
he formed the Rolling Stones.
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They were the first of their kind
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and drove people crazy
with their long hair
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and their contempt
for convention and authority.
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Let's introduce you Stone
by Stone to the Rolling Stones.
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Hello, I'm Mick Jagger.
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Charlie Watts... Who? Charlie Watts.
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Brian Jones.
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Keith Richards. Bill Wyman.
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On the question of hair, boys,
you're pretty long in the hair.
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What's the point
of long hair these days?
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I believe it's going out in England
and it's going out in Australia.
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We still like it. You thought of anything different,
like plaiting your hair or anything like this?
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Ha-ha. Funny man. We've got
a comedian here, I see,
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I believe some of the Eastern States groups
have even suggested that you're effeminate.
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What have you got to say about this?
Well, darling...
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Well, we're not, you know.
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I met Brian on a train
as a schoolboy, aged 14.
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I was surprised how open
and friendly he was,
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with a soft spoken
middle class accent.
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He said he was a train spotter
and this was his favourite line -
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The Great Western.
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I remember the shock when hearing
he had died tragically
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just six years later.
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He seemed at the time
to have the world at his feet.
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CHEERING
Thank you very much.
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# Everybody wants somebody
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# Everybody needs somebody
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# Everybody... #
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I loved Mick and Keith.
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And Mick always was in awe of Brian.
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He absolutely loved him
and I think he wanted to be Brian.
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# Everybody wants somebody
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# Everybody needs somebody... #
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Cos he had all the girls
and he had all the fan mail.
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# Someone to love
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# Someone to kiss... #
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And Mick was trying really hard...
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...to get girlfriends, I think,
at that time.
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# Someone to please
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# Sometimes a squeeze... #
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That was what I remember,
that he was very impressed
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with the way that Brian
could just draw women to him.
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# I need you, you, you... #
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To Brian and Keith,
it was like a brother relationship.
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I saw Keith so fascinated
with the way Brian played
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and Brian showing him
certain guitar things.
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# I need you
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# Yes, I do... #
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And so they were very close.
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They were all rowing together
in this musical journey.
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Ladies and gentlemen,
it's all about to happen.
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Let's hear it for the fantastic
Rolling Stones!
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CHEERING
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# I'm all right
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# I'm all right
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# I'm all right
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# Whoa, whoa, whoa
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# Come on down
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# Come on down... #
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Brian then, was as popular
and famous as Mick.
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He was the heart and soul
of the early Stones.
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Yet most people today
haven't even heard of him.
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Brian answered most of the fan mail.
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"Dear Doreen,
many thanks for your letter
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"and the great interest
you've shown in the band.
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"The band is really an
amalgamation of two bands,
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"the one being an R&B band
I formed the year ago
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"and the other being a group run by
Mick and Keith in south east London.
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"We have, I might add,
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"a habit of breaking
audience attendance records."”
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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
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In the early days,
who got all the fan mail?
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Brian.
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The secretaries told me, "Well,
we get about 100 letters.
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"About 60 of them are for Brian,
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"about 25 are for Mick,
about ten for Charlie and Keith.
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"And there's about the same for you,
you know, and that's it, you know?
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"But Brian gets all the fan mail."
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He was brilliant,
a brilliant musician.
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He shocked everybody with
the quality of his playing.
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We all dedicated ourselves
to the band
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and Brian more so than anybody else,
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because it was his band
in the beginning.
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So it meant the world to him
more than it did to the rest of us.
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Brian did everything.
He wrote in the music papers.
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He discussed things
about the origins
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of what is actually
the blues and what is R&B.
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There's all those letters and
things. I've got copies of them.
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When Brian advertised for a band,
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he chose every single person
to come into his band.
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Let's recap on the Rolling Stones.
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How did you all get together
in the first place?
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Actually, I answered an advert
for a bass player, so...
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But the rest of them got together individually
in jazz clubs and formed a sort of a group.
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How long ago was that?
Two years.
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And what were you doing when you answered
the advertisement? Engineering, actually.
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And we'll move on now to Brian.
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How long have you been with the Rolling
Stones? Are you one of the original members?
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Yes, one of the original members.
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What were you doing
before you joined?
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Well, just sort of bumming around,
waiting for something to happen, really.
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I had quite a few jobs and I was
trying to get a band going,
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but it was unsuccessful
until I met up with Mick and Keith
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and then that was a successful band.
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Well, can you think back to your
first engagement? Where was that?
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Erm...
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Marquee, Oxford Street, London.
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And may I ask how much you got
paid for that assignment?
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20 quid, which was good, because six months
later, we were still working for 10 quid.
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# It's all right
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, children
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# It's all right
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, children
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# It's all right
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# Come on around, baby
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Mick used to stand in front of us.
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Mick's got the maracas
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and the audience just joining in
and all that.
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# Do you feel it, baby
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# Yeah, yeah, yeah
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# Do you feel it now
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# My, my, my... #
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It just got right into your body
and it was like a tribal gathering.
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# All right, all right, all right
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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
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The blues were everything to Brian.
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He saw the Stones as promoting
unknown black blues music.
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"Dear Doreen, you raised the point
in your letter about blues material.
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"You must appreciate that blues
are not easy to put over
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"to the average club audience.
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"They prefer something more
in the twisting and jumping run.
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"Once again, thank
you for your interest
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"in rhythm and blues and ourselves.
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"It's wonderful music
and deserves more recognition.
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"Yours sincerely,
Brian Jones for Rolling Stones."”
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Mick and Keith moved
into the flat that Brian had.
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And Brian and Keith slept
in a double bed in the front room
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and Mick slept in a single bed
in the middle room.
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And then there was a kitchen,
which was a disaster.
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And it was a very severe winter
that year, '62,
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and we used to give him shillings
to put in the bloody meter
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for the one little electric fire.
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Brian used to say, "What's
the point of getting out of bed
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"when it's so fucking cold?
We might as well stay in bed!"
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So they used to get the guitars
and stay in bed
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and play guitar in bed.
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Luckily, we had nothing else to do.
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And since we were down to thieving
potatoes out of supermarkets anyway
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and selling beer bottles
back to the off-licence,
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there was nothing else to do except
push on, you know, and just...
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I mean, it had to get better,
even if it didn't get fantastic.
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You know, it was difficult.
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But I mean, it was fun too,
since we were determined
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that we were going
to stick together and play.
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Despite everything,
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Brian was always tried
to keep his parents' approval.
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"Dear Mum and Dad,
many thanks for your letters
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"and a thousand apologies
for not writing back before now.
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"Being leader and spokesman
for the Stones
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"means I'm always busy and tied up.
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"If it's possible, I would like to
see you next Monday or Tuesday.
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"But I warn you, my hair is pretty
long, although not untidy."
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"Success seems to be on its way,
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"though none of us
are too happy about 'Come On"."
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# Everything is wrong since me
and my baby parted
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# All day long I'm walking
cos I couldn't get my car started
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# Laid off from my job and... #
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"This record does not do
justice to the group.”
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Brian would invite his mother
and father to the Stones concerts.
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But they never came.
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And Brian taught Keith
to play with him.
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You know, all the linking notes.
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There they go.
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See, one's going up and the other
one's coming down.
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When one's coming down,
he's going up.
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And it's so beautiful.
It's so perfect what they're doing.
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We did a song called Mona,
which is a Bo Diddley song.
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And you got... You'll have to
excuse me, that's my bloody...
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It's switched itself off now,
thank goodness.
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He learned to play along
with the tremolo.
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You know, the - doo, doo, doo, doo,
doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo.
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And in time.
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And so you'll hear it on Mona here.
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# Doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo.
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See?
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No-one was doing that then.
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# Doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo. #
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He was a fucker, you know.
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He would be really horrible
sometimes.
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He had one side of him,
which I have to say was really,
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I wouldn't say evil,
but he was really cruel sometimes.
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There's photos of us
being photographed
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and Brian's over the top of me
dropping cigarette ash on my head.
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But he used to do things like that.
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And not only to me,
but to everybody.
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He always had to prove himself.
He was embarrassed about his size.
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And if he didn't get his way,
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he kind of used to get
very aggressive
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and then he'd be all apologetic and,
"Sorry, man, I didn't mean it."
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He'd stubbed that cigarette out on
the back of your hand in the car...
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...and you'd always forgive him
because he was such a nice, sweet guy.
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Brian had immense opposition
from his father.
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His dad didn't like him
trying to be a musician.
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They just thought, get a proper job.
You know, the same old thing.
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Up to a certain point,
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Brian was a perfectly normal,
conventional boy,
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who was well behaved
and was well liked.
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Liked, I suppose, because
he was well behaved.
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He did his studies and he
was quite a model schoolboy.
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And then there came this peculiar
change in his early teens,
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at the time, I suppose,
he began to become a man,
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where he began to get
some resentment of authority.
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It was a rebellion
against parental authority
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and it was certainly a rebellion
against the school authority.
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He often used to say, why should
he do something he was told
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just because the person
who was telling him was older?
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From being an A grade student,
Brian rebelled.
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He failed in his studies
and put all his energy into music
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and picking up girls.
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He played occasionally clarinet
in the school orchestra,
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but Brian was not really interested
in anything else at the school.
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Not in athletics.
Not in any sports.
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Not in the cadet force,
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not in debating societies
or anything like that.
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He kept himself to himself quite
a bit at school, I would say.
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In the beginning of the '60s,
it was one society,
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just this mono culture, and it was
our generation who went beyond that.
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It's a level of sort of
middle class tightness,
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which you don't possibly
see so much any more.
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He had a pretty bad relationship
with his parents,
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who were very respectable,
very straight, very posh.
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But he used to say
he just couldn't stand it.
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The problem with Brian was that he
came from a very, very bourgeois family...
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...who saw themselves as better
than the neighbours
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and better than this
and better than that.
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All the time, his fanaticism for
jazz music was coming to the fore.
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It was a great disappointment to us
and a source of considerable anxiety
260
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when he became so wrapped up
in his love of jazz music
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that in spite of everything
we could do or say,
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he went off and did it.
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# Wop-bop-a-loo-mop alop-bom-bom
264
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# Tutti frutti, oh rutti
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# Tutti frutti, woo
266
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# Tutti frutti, oh rutti
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# Tutti frutti, oh rutti
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# Awop-bop-a-loo-mop
alop-bom-bom... #
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# Tutti frutti, oh rutti
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# Tutti frutti, woo
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# Tutti frutti, oh rutti
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# Tutti frutti, oh rutti... #
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Frustrated by his parents'
disapproval,
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Brian adopted Val's family and spent
all his time playing blues music.
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Val Corbett, yes,
I knew her very well.
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She was rather stylish
and I thought she was rather nice.
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Brian was quite besotted with her
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and she, of course,
was besotted with him.
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They were obviously
made for each other.
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The next thing we heard
was that Val was pregnant
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and she at first
was terribly pleased
282
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because she and Brian
were going to leave Cheltenham,
283
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go and live in London
and get a place together.
284
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And suddenly it dawned on her
that wasn't going to happen.
285
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On December the 22nd, 1960, Brian,
aged 17, was kicked out of his home.
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His father would later
refer to this as
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"my most drastic of all actions,
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"which I shall never forget
or cease to worry over."
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Brian, now rejected by his parents,
290
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moved in with Pat
and her sister, Betty,
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and was looked after
by their parents.
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This became a pattern
of Brian's behaviour -
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adopting other families, getting the
daughters pregnant and then leaving.
294
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This would happen
at least five times.
295
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Do you feel bitter at all?
296
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I'm not actually bitter.
297
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I feel quite sorry
for Brian in a way,
298
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because the kind of person he is,
299
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you can never be happy,
could never have true friends.
300
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The only friends he has probably
like him because of what he is.
301
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I think if he was turned out on to the
streets, nobody would want to know Brian.
302
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He's not the kind of person
that you take to
303
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because he's so cynical.
304
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He's got no feelings for anybody.
305
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He just uses people
for his own good.
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And when he's finished,
he throws them aside.
307
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So I just feel sorry for him.
308
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Brian's own life mirrored
the rebellious spirit of the Stones
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more than any other member.
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Expelled from two schools.
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Thrown out of his home.
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A reckless personal life.
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The blues was Brian's salvation.
314
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# Oh, a child's coming
315
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# He's going to be,
going to be a rollin' stone
316
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# He's going to be
a rollin' stone... #
317
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# Well, I feel
318
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# Yes, I feel. #
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CHEERING
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Tell us something about him, Brian.
321
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When we started playing together,
322
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we started playing because
we wanted to play rhythm and blues.
323
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,695
And Howlin' Wolf was one
of our greatest idols.
324
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And it's a great pleasure to finally be booked
on this show tonight... Thanks to Howlin' Wolf.
325
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:26,215
So I think it's about time you shut
up and we had Howlin' Wolf onstage.
326
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,695
I agree! Let's get him on.
Howlin' Wolf!
327
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It was a huge deal for those guys
328
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,735
because they'd just never
really been on TV.
329
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To be there are peak time
in America,
330
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that was an incredibly big deal.
331
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# How many more years
332
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# Have I got to let you
dog me around?
333
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,495
# How many more years
334
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,175
# Have I got to let you
dog me around? #
335
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,255
It's an incredible moment
and there are still people
336
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who put it as one of the
greatest TV moments of the 1960s.
337
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There's a great period
in the first couple of years
338
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where he seemed to have
real insight.
339
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And I'm talking about 1961, 1962.
340
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# I'll try to show it
if you're driving me back
341
00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:28,495
# Your love for me
has got to be real
342
00:22:30,120 --> 00:22:32,175
# For you to know just how I feel
343
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,935
# Love for real
and not fade away... #
344
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:42,775
So you worked out both the keys
of open tunings of blues,
345
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which is D slash E,
which is open D or E,
346
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which is Elmore James,
and he was open G,
347
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,855
which is Muddy Waters
and Robert Johnson.
348
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# I'm going to tell you
how it's going to be
349
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# You're going to give
your love to me
350
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,615
# Love to last
more than one day... #
351
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,135
So what did we do
for the fifth single?
352
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We wanted to do a blues
and everybody said,
353
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"Don't do it because
you'll destroy your career.
354
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,735
"No-one's ever done a blues record
for a single in England."
355
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,735
You know, it's the worst thing.
356
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,735
Like they said to Ray Charles, "Don't do a
country album because it will destroy you."
357
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,095
And it was the greatest
thing he ever did.
358
00:23:31,120 --> 00:23:33,255
Well, when we did
Little Red Rooster...
359
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,055
...they said, you know,
"You're going to kill yourself."
360
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,415
It came out on the Friday
and on the Monday it was number one.
361
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:41,935
And Brian...
362
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...controlled the whole band.
I'll start again.
363
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That's Brian with a slide.
364
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,655
See, he's doing it.
365
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,095
# I am the little red rooster... #
366
00:24:00,120 --> 00:24:02,375
What is anybody else doing?
367
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,695
See, he's making the song.
368
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,775
# Everybody wants somebody
369
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:18,335
# Everybody needs somebody
370
00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:20,895
# To love... #
371
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:22,935
So we were completely unique.
372
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:25,975
# Someone to kiss
373
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,415
# Oh, yeah
374
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,215
# Sometimes a miss
375
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,135
# Someone to please
376
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,095
# And sometimes a squeeze
377
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:40,415
# I need you, you, you
378
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,295
# I need you... #
379
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,815
Bo Diddley couldn't believe
how good we were.
380
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:46,615
# You, you, you
381
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,775
# Sometimes I feel like
382
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,175
# I get a little sad inside
383
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,495
# When my baby mistreats me
384
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,015
# I kind of get a little bit mad
385
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:58,855
# I need you... #
386
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,895
AUDIENCE: Rolling Stones!
Rolling Stones! Rolling Stones!
387
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,895
# Oh, Carol, don't let him
steal your heart away
388
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,295
# I'm going to learn to dance
if it takes me all night and day
389
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,935
# Climb into my machine
so we can groove on out
390
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,455
# I know some swinging little joint
where we can jump and shout
391
00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:39,295
# It's not too far back... #
392
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,895
There was rioting
whenever the Stones played.
393
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,855
It was an outpouring of emotion
against the authorities
394
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,775
and the traditional ways
of doing things.
395
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,615
# A little cutie takes your hat
and you can thank her ma'am... #
396
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,455
The way the Stones
looked and dressed,
397
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,695
their hair and sexuality,
was a whole new feeling.
398
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,495
Everyone fancied both Brian
and Mick, both male and female.
399
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,815
They had this extraordinary
androgynous quality.
400
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,815
# I'm going to learn to dance if
it takes me all night and day... #
401
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,855
SCREAMING AND SHOUTING
402
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:53,935
Brian met Linda Lawrence in 1962
and was adopted into her family.
403
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,775
I only saw him.
404
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,495
Yeah, and heard him.
405
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,495
The sound was what
I was connecting to
406
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,375
and it was the harmonica
and the slide guitar.
407
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,455
The first time I'd ever
heard that kind of music
408
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,095
or felt that kind of feeling,
it was just...
409
00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:12,735
Just amazing.
410
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,295
Yeah, a whole feeling came over me
that I'd never felt before.
411
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,815
# My days are pretty rough
412
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,455
# I want you to come back,
come back, come back... #
413
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,335
It was instant.
414
00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:30,575
Like, if you can call it love.
415
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,815
At the time, I wouldn't have known
what that was, but now I do.
416
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,495
There was a point that came
where he said,
417
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,535
"Can I come stay with you in
winds or with your parents?”
418
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,735
And I said, "Yeah."
419
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,975
Yeah, my parents loved him.
420
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,695
# Somebody stop this pain
in my heart
421
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,575
# My, my, my, my, my, my
422
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,615
# Don't you know, one day
423
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,415
# My days are pretty rough
424
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,215
# Won't you love me?
425
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:10,735
# Love me. #
426
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,055
Most of the time
it was all about music
427
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,735
and what records he's going to get.
428
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,135
And how he was going to play this
and, you know...
429
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,615
And I would often put
the records on over and over again
430
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,375
so that he could get
the riffs and things.
431
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,575
Put it back on and have a listen
and get the sound.
432
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,295
Seeing them get more
and more popular
433
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,295
and more and more people
coming to see them,
434
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,415
it was very exciting.
435
00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:59,855
SCREAMING
436
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,175
And we got very,
very much in love.
437
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,415
He was loved by so many people.
I didn't mind that.
438
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,055
I knew he loved me,
so I didn't care.
439
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,015
And I knew we were young.
440
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,895
I just knew he loved me.
441
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,295
And I...
442
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,495
I felt like it's OK.
443
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,855
You know, he'll be back.
444
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,695
Brian's rivalry with Mick
445
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,975
for leadership of the Stones
was growing.
446
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,015
Mick was the natural front man
447
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,895
and Brian's insecurity
played into this.
448
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,895
A visible friction grew up
between them.
449
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,415
It began to dominate
Brian's thinking.
450
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,815
Brian sent me to a modelling course
for a little while in London
451
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,175
and I had taken
the hairdressing course.
452
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,255
So I was really into hair
and I was saying,
453
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,255
"Just grow your hair,
don't cut it", you know.
454
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:44,495
And then when it did get quite long,
I would trim it,
455
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,855
but not cut it, and make that shape.
456
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,975
He was like a gentleman.
457
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,535
He was all dressed in his white
shirt and his jacket
458
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,695
and he was open doors.
459
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:59,175
It was that kind of... Very
gentlemanly and gentle spoken.
460
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,055
He had a family, obviously.
461
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,015
And after a while, we drove down.
462
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,615
He wanted me to meet his parents.
463
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,255
And I know he didn't take many
people down to meet his parents,
464
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,535
so I knew it was something special.
465
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,415
Did you feel that Brian cared a lot
what his parents thought?
466
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,175
Oh, very much.
467
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,935
That was the whole thing,
that he really did want them
468
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,615
to like what he was doing
and, you know, be proud of him.
469
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,975
That was the whole point,
I think, of us going there.
470
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,215
They wanted him to have
a different career.
471
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:40,815
Something more like what his father
had been doing - a good paying job.
472
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:45,175
But Brian kind of saw that
and he kind of rebelled
473
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,415
and stepped out of it.
474
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,095
# I warned you baby
from time to time
475
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,575
# You don't listen so pay me no mind
476
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,455
# About moving on
477
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,495
# Yeah, I'm moving on... #
478
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,135
We became the love generation
479
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,255
and the music was going
to be the opening.
480
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,575
# Mister Engineer
with your throttle in hand
481
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,055
# Take me back to that Southern land
482
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:14,775
# It's called moving
483
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,175
# Keep a rolling on
484
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,255
# You're flying too high
485
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,255
# For my old sky
I'I move on. #
486
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,015
Dawn Molloy was the mother
of Brian's fifth child.
487
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,055
I was 18.
488
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,135
I don't think I'd ever
been in love before.
489
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,815
Every time I saw him,
my heart skipped a beat.
490
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,815
And every time we saw me, he...
491
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,695
It was obvious that he wanted me.
492
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,415
Being a Catholic, I was very...
493
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:50,775
...inhibited.
494
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,055
He kind of got that out of me.
495
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,775
Not to be ashamed of my body
and what I could do.
496
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,335
He was very, very sexy.
497
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,175
Yeah, the way he made love,
he just was insatiable.
498
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,135
He made me feel...
499
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:11,655
...amazing.
500
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,415
He just made me feel...
501
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,175
...loved and special.
502
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,935
He was an amazing teacher
503
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,935
of how you should make love
to a woman.
504
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,615
My parents, they had
such a thing against...
505
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,095
...long-haired pop stars.
506
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,055
"Oh, this music's no good."
507
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,175
You know how it is.
They didn't want any of it.
508
00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:42,295
I never dreamed
he'd come to our apartment.
509
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,495
There he was, on the doorstep.
510
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,615
"Good evening, Mrs Malloy."
511
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,495
And kissed her hand.
512
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,295
I mean, who does that?
513
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:51,735
It's just...
514
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:54,935
He had suave.
515
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,415
They liked him in the end.
516
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,175
Then my mum said, "Well, why
don't you go down to your bedroom?
517
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,335
"Show Brian your bedroom."
518
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,855
# I'm going to tell you
how it's going to be... #
519
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,295
And then he turned around
and asked my parents
520
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,335
if he could take me on tour.
521
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,815
There's no way my dad
is going to let me go.
522
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,575
But my dad said,
523
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,415
"Well, you know, as long
as you're in a different room
524
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,095
"and you take care of her, it's OK."
525
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,935
The security wasn't around,
526
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:40,095
so you could just walk into a hotel
and the girls were everywhere.
527
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,415
We went to our room
and there's this girl there
528
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,735
and she's just sitting
on the bed stark naked.
529
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,895
And then we went into the bathroom
and there's another one.
530
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,135
And they're willing to give
everything to them.
531
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,775
The police had no idea
what hit them.
532
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,415
They were completely
taken by surprise.
533
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,455
And it was terrifying.
534
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,735
I could see all their feet,
535
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,135
trampling on people
in stiletto heels,
536
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,095
going for his arms and stuff.
537
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,295
I thought I was going to die.
538
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,335
It was like being in a tube train
and you can't move.
539
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,295
I think Mick lost some hair.
540
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,495
They pulled... Literally
pulled hair out of his head.
541
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:32,095
And I started to fall back
and I fell back and Mick caught me.
542
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,255
Brian was looking for me,
so he came around the corner
543
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,615
and saw me in the arms of Mick.
544
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,095
And then...
545
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:42,735
...Brian lost it.
546
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,535
"Keep your hands off my fucking girl!
You're not having all my girlfriends!"
547
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,255
And all that kind of stuff.
548
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,415
Mick said, "Hey, I'm just holding
her, you know. She just fell.
549
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,335
"Don't be a dick", you know?
550
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,415
And then Bill said,
"Yeah, sometimes you get like that.
551
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,815
"You just have to leave him,
he'll be fine."
552
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,615
Everybody went through their...
553
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,535
...star trip, you know.
554
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:11,255
And I think Brian was
the only one that it changed
555
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,495
in a really deep way
and probably not for the better.
556
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,415
It was very difficult for him,
you know,
557
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,455
and not made any easier probably
by the rest of us, you know,
558
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:26,175
because nobody had the time
to look after somebody else.
559
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:31,895
If one of them isn't quite strong
enough to deal with that situation
560
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,695
there's very little you can do
to help him.
561
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,735
They were all a little wary,
I think, of Brian
562
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,815
because he could be kind of moody.
563
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,135
But I think they put that on him
564
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,535
because he was supposed
to be the leader
565
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,855
and he was no longer the leader.
566
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:02,255
Mick ruled the roost as far
as what they were going to play
567
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:06,255
and the fact that he could
write music and Brian couldn't.
568
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,575
I think there may have been
a little jealousy there.
569
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,815
The fact that Mick and Keith
were so close.
570
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,735
# Yeah, yeah, yeah
571
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,535
# I feel all right
572
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,415
, children... #
573
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,495
I think they were a little bit lost
until Andrew came along.
574
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,735
And then Andrew kind of
laid down the law
575
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,695
and said what he wanted to do,
which was all very well.
576
00:39:29,720 --> 00:39:33,375
And I thought that was a good idea
to have a manager,
577
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,575
but I don't think Brian realised
578
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,735
that he would be handing
everything over to him.
579
00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:49,935
They had two different ideas
of what they wanted to do.
580
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:54,975
Brian loved Howlin' Wolf and he
wanted to stay as a blues group.
581
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,335
Andrew wanted them to be pop.
582
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,055
MUSIC: Little Red Rooster
by The Rolling Stones
583
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:25,815
And I think Andrew and Brian
just didn't hit it off.
584
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,975
And I think they just got
into loggerheads.
585
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,535
Pop sold.
586
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,935
And obviously Andrew wanted
to make money.
587
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:35,455
Thank you.
588
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,135
"Dear Melinda,
589
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,095
"Mick is the head of the group.
590
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,655
"At one time I was, but Mick
took over.
591
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,255
"Don't ask me why. We just thought
it would be better,
592
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:45,975
"as he is a good leader.
593
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,175
"Mick's birthday was on
the 26th of July.
594
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,255
“I must rush, dear, honestly.
595
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,455
"Brian Jones."
596
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,495
I guess he was a little jealous
of Mick because he was...
597
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,175
He had all the fame sort of thing.
598
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:04,015
But I don't think Brian realised
that he had just as much too.
599
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,095
FANS SCREAM
600
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,735
# Oh, Carol
601
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,015
# Don't let him steal
your heart away
602
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,335
# I'm gonna learn to dance
603
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,015
# If it takes me all night and day
604
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,255
# Climb into my machine
So we can groove on out... #
605
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:35,295
MUSIC DROWNED BY SCREAMS
606
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,335
I think he would've liked
to have been like Mick,
607
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:44,895
but then no-one's like Mick.
608
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,535
He has this charisma about him,
he has amazing energy.
609
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,495
# A little cutie takes your hat and
you can thank her, ma'am... #
610
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,015
SCREAMING
611
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:08,135
I understand, Brian, because I think
he was a lost person.
612
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,815
The success of the Stones
was unbelievable.
613
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,375
But at a time when Brian could
have celebrated the success
614
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,615
of the band he had founded,
he was locked in conflict
615
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,695
with problems of his own creation.
616
00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:28,975
The reason I found out about Linda
was because I was told
617
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,495
to go to Torquay.
618
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,015
And then Stu told me, no,
I couldn't go in and see him
619
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,015
because Linda was there
with the baby.
620
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,375
I'm like, "What... Whose baby?",
you know?
621
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,015
He said, "Well, Brian's."
622
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,455
# Well, you know my lovin'
not fade away... #
623
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,615
Fame is a very strange thing.
624
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,095
And he wanted that as well.
625
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:48,815
And so that was the choice
626
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,135
he had to make.
627
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:52,855
And...
628
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:54,015
And he did.
629
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,015
FANS SCREAM, GUITAR CHORDS
630
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,055
I was at all the gigs.
631
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:02,975
The other girlfriends
weren't allowed to come,
632
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,015
but I would always be at the gig.
633
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,415
The last one that I was at
before I had Julian
634
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,335
was the Bo Diddley concert.
635
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:22,360
# Hey, Bo Diddley
Hey, Bo Diddley
636
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:30,055
# Hey, Bo Diddley
Hey, Bo Diddley
637
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:34,015
# I got a girl lived on a hill
Hey, Bo Diddley... #
638
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,815
I bonded so well with Bo Diddley
639
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,295
and it was all fantastic.
640
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,015
They thought that Brian and I
were getting married.
641
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,975
I thought we were getting married.
642
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,055
So it was a bit of a shock when
Andrew Oldham came in and said,
643
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:51,415
"You can't have girlfriends and
wives and, you know, it's..."
644
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,575
Because I knew that he loved me
645
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,415
and it was really hard
to understand.
646
00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:00,655
And I kept saying to myself,
"Well, I have to let go
647
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,775
"and he'll be back.”
648
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,215
And my dad, when he left, said,
649
00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:11,015
"And there's no-one to
look after him now."
650
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:13,775
Brian tormented himself because
651
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,215
he couldn't write songs
652
00:44:15,240 --> 00:44:16,895
like Mick and Keith,
653
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,375
whose compositions had moved
the band on to a whole new level.
654
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:21,655
Say hi to Brian.
655
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,495
Brian is one of the writers
of most of the things, right?
656
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,375
No, I'm not, actually...
Well, I'm not really a writer.
657
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,335
Ah, we do write a lot of
stuff together -
658
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,295
it comes out under the
Nanker Phelge pseudonym -
659
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,895
but Mick and Keith write more...many
of our... Thank you, Bill.
660
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:35,815
They're a little more industrious
than we are.
661
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,735
In writing the songs that you write,
do you sometimes think that you have
662
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,615
a special inspiration for
the way that you...
663
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,375
Well, you'd better ask - about
writing songs - better address those
664
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,055
questions to Mick and Keith because
they'll tell me more about it.
665
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,855
But the ones we've written together
are just things we've worked out
666
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,175
together in the studio,
with somebody, you know, anyone
667
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,775
that's had an idea. If you had to do
it all over again, do you think
668
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,255
you'd go the same route again?
As far as, you know, now that you
669
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,855
realise the demands that are put
on you as a tremendous success?
670
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,655
I'd do it 100 times over,
if I could. I love it.
671
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:01,735
Good. Thank you so much.
672
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,535
Let me swing over here and talk
to Keith and to Mick.
673
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,255
These are the two that are supposed
to be all the writing talent.
674
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,815
You fellows get together and do
most of the writing, right?
675
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,175
Yeah, that's right. A lot of it.
You know, some of it.
676
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,135
Do you have a particular inspiration
for some of your songs that seem
677
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:16,495
to springboard them out?
678
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,775
Well, I don't know. Ask Keith.
679
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,775
I don't really think so, no.
680
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,495
It just happens, you know?
It just happens.
681
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,535
Mick and Keith are wonderful
songwriters.
682
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:32,895
I mean, they're just great.
683
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:34,255
Extraordinary.
684
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,055
I mean, I couldn't admire them more.
685
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,975
They tended to write more about sex.
686
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,135
So from '64, '84...
687
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:48,295
Like, for 20 years they were
just turning them out.
688
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,295
I mean, they're classic
rock and roll songs.
689
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:55,975
I'd rate it as extraordinary.
690
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,095
You see, the trouble was by 1963,
691
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:03,135
when Mick and Keith were writing
the songs and all that,
692
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,215
Andrew was trying to promote Keith
693
00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:09,775
and kind of dismiss Brian,
get Brian out of the way.
694
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:14,775
And so what he did was
he stopped me, Charlie and Brian
695
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,575
from doing any interviews with any
of the newspapers, any interviews
696
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,695
at all, and gave them all
to Mick and Keith.
697
00:46:21,720 --> 00:46:26,015
And I think when we talked on
the phone ages ago, you mentioned
698
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,975
that he did something
with Jimi Hendrix.
699
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:31,535
Erm... Yes.
700
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,895
Some playing. Yeah.
701
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:36,815
No-one knows that.
702
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,175
What do I say?
703
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:50,935
GUITAR INSTRUMENTAL
704
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,815
And I got Brian trying to write
a song with that guy,
705
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,695
Michael Aldred, of Ready Steady Go!
706
00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:29,495
But they're unique things that
I just happened to get, and...
707
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,855
...they shouldn't be...
Was the song good?
708
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,655
Yeah, they were putting a song
together. It was OK, yeah.
709
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,615
But he never had the courage
to record it.
710
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:42,415
LAUGHTER
711
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,135
BRIAN: Oh, fucking hell,
turn it off!
712
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,775
SONG PLAYS ON TAPE
713
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,895
HE STOPS PLAYING GUITAR
BRIAN: No. It's difficult...
714
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,015
Oh, let's get...
715
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:15,735
Bleurgh!
716
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,255
He never played me a song
he'd written, so it was quite hard
717
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:25,735
to know really if he wanted to do
songs with us that he'd written.
718
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,375
I think he did, but he was very shy
and all that, I think he found it
719
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,655
rather hard to lay it down to us,
you know, that "This was a song and
720
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,135
"it went like this."
721
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,815
And we probably sort of didn't even
think - because he didn't do it,
722
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:41,415
we didn't try and bring it out
of him, probably,
723
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:42,855
which was...
724
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,735
...I suppose a bit insensitive of us.
725
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:54,415
MUSIC: Ne Cherche Pas
by Zouzou
726
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,015
BLUES GUITAR
727
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:30,015
MUSIC: You Know My Name
by The Beatles
728
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:27,495
Each member of the band
had a had a court.
729
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:31,415
And the way the hierarchy worked
was the Stones would always
730
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,335
have to go to the Beatles' places.
731
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,055
So the Beatles would
never go to their house.
732
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:40,015
You know, that was
the order of things,
733
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:43,255
a very strict class system at work.
HE LAUGHS
734
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,455
FANS SCREAM
735
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:44,975
I think he liked drinking and
I think he liked drugs
736
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,575
but they weren't very good for him.
737
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,535
I don't think they're good for
anyone, but he didn't...
738
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,175
He wasn't strong enough,
mentally or physically,
739
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:54,335
to take any of it.
740
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:55,975
And of course he did everything...
741
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,815
Brian was one of those people
that did everything to excess.
742
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:58,215
And remember, no matter
what anyone says...
743
00:55:58,240 --> 00:56:00,415
...rock on.
744
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:06,135
# I can't get no satisfaction
745
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:10,935
# I can't get no satisfaction... #
746
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:45,615
The trouble with Brian was he wasn't
very well a lot of the time.
747
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:47,615
So he was often ill.
748
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,015
We'd be on tour and Brian would
get sick, and he'd be in
749
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,535
hospital for five days
and we had to play without him.
750
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:59,335
Just the four of us, you know.
751
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,095
Bass, drum, guitar.
752
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,535
And you're playing all them songs
that need more than one guitar,
753
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,135
and you've only got one guitar.
754
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,815
So I had to double-up on bass,
the bass playing,
755
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:12,175
and help Keith out, you know,
756
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,935
and Keith had to play a bit more
than he would normally play,
757
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,375
playing partly rhythm, partly lead.
758
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,215
It was tough, you know.
759
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:25,255
So he was very unreliable at times
in the later period of his life.
760
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,815
You know, the last...maybe
three years.
761
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:32,535
Brian used to get very paranoid
about being made fun of.
762
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:36,455
You know, he always said, "They're
talking about me and they're..."
763
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,135
You know, when we were waiting
in a...
764
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:42,135
When we were staying over in
a hotel or something.
765
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:54,255
The classic example that I had of
that was at the hotel in New York
766
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,335
when Dylan was coming to visit him.
767
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,215
You know, he was very friendly
with Dylan.
768
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,695
So Mick and Keith - Brian's
room was next to mine,
769
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:02,255
so Mick and Keith came into my room.
770
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,775
They said, "Oh...",
and they were very devilish.
771
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,695
And Keith goes over and grabs
a water glass that I had,
772
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:11,055
and he puts it against the wall so
he could listen in to Brian's room.
773
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:14,535
And Mick goes over to the house
telephone, my phone in the room,
774
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:16,455
and calls Brian's room.
775
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,935
And then immediately he says,
"Hello, Mr Jones.
776
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,255
"You have Mr Zimmerman
for Mr Jones."”
777
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,415
And he was imitating putting
Dylan on the phone.
778
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,935
And then when he was on the phone,
he says, "Oh, Brian, I think
779
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,255
"you're the best guy in the group,”
that kind of...
780
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,655
And Brian's like, "Shut up,
you guys! I know you're..."
781
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,055
And that was the kind of stuff
that was going on.
782
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,535
MUSIC: There But For Fortune
by Marianne Faithful
783
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:41,095
# Show me the train... #
784
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,015
Already there had been
shit going on.
785
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,935
You know, Brian was in
very bad shape.
786
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,015
He couldn't get into the States.
787
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:50,655
And they didn't know what to do,
and this and that and the other,
788
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:53,255
you know, of just scrambling
all the way along.
789
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,655
It wasn't as bad as it was
going to get later.
790
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:59,215
Well, I read an interesting
thing Keith said about this,
791
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:02,975
that they started making fun of
Brian so as not to get mad at him.
792
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:04,855
Ah... Because it was a way...
793
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,335
But I mean, of course,
for somebody who's paranoid,
794
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:09,815
this is just about the worst
thing you can do.
795
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:13,455
But I mean that was
Mick and Keith's, apparently,
796
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:15,055
attitude to this thing, you know?
797
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:17,415
Well, because, you know, I mean
if anybody had really let
798
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:21,015
their feelings go, they would've
killed him. Mm-hm.
799
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:23,015
And he would have killed them too.
Mm-hm.
800
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:24,935
I mean, it was that bad.
801
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,495
I think Marianne sympathised
with Brian.
802
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:35,335
And Marianne of course was not in
much better shape because of drugs.
803
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:39,975
She knew him very well and had,
you know, had an affair with him.
804
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:44,575
Marianne felt that she had become
a real drag on Mick.
805
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:51,775
And there's a horrible conversation
where she overhears Ahmet Ertegun
806
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:56,815
saying to Mick, "You've got
to get rid of Marianne,
807
00:59:56,840 --> 01:00:00,095
"you know, if the band is
going to function.
808
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:04,055
"It's having a really
negative effect.”
809
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:08,335
And so in that sense I think she
absolutely identified with Brian.
810
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:16,815
Anita Pallenberg was a massive
influence on Brian.
811
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:21,935
She was credited with transforming
both Brian and the Stones.
812
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:18,095
She was an incredibly interesting
person, who'd done a lot,
813
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:21,575
and was on the make,
in the way that he was.
814
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:26,855
And she craved new experiences,
you know, in the way that he was.
815
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,695
But I think he was thinking
of leaving the band.
816
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:32,295
I think he probably could have
and probably should have left
817
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:35,455
the band for his own, you know,
health and sanity.
818
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,495
But I think, by teaming up with
Anita, he knew they'd be
819
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:40,495
a real phenomenon, which they were.
820
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:44,415
And that really launched his
kind of last great...
821
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:45,815
Last great ride.
822
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:48,295
Oui, oui, je le comprends.
823
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:55,495
There was such sort of...erotic
power to their pairing
824
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:57,575
and such glamour.
825
01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:59,975
And also, you know,
he wants to be glamorous.
826
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:03,335
He wanted to be seen as
a main player in the Stones,
827
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:05,615
and she'd helped that happen.
828
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:09,015
She and Brian were, you know,
like a little unit,
829
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:13,975
whispering, talking to each other,
giggling, speaking in sort of
830
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:18,855
a code that, you know, intimate
couples can have sometimes.
831
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:22,935
And I think they were doing a lot
of acid and just hanging out.
832
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:27,495
She was staggeringly beautiful,
833
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:33,055
had extraordinary physical
and sexual confidence.
834
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:37,895
You know, when she walked in a room,
you know, guys' eyes popped out
835
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,535
and tongues rolled out,
like in a cartoon.
836
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:12,095
The Rolling Stones, they were,
as Marianne would put it,
837
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:14,055
were a bunch of yobs.
838
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:15,815
They were very talented,
839
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:18,935
but they weren't educated
or sophisticated.
840
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:26,175
Marianne and Anita connected them
with all the European intellectuals
841
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:28,095
and film-makers.
842
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:31,455
We were the right women for that
time to enable whatever
843
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:33,375
had to happen to happen.
844
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:36,455
And probably the same is true
of Brian and Anita
845
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,175
and Keith and Anita.
846
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,615
They seemed to be
a pro to-aristocracy.
847
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:44,895
Mick at one point said,
848
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:48,015
"Well, the only thing left is
me and the Queen."
849
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:51,095
SITAR MUSIC
850
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:55,695
Brian and Anita would spend
time at the vast Guinness estate
851
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:56,975
in Ireland.
852
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,855
This is Mick go-karting
at Leslie Castle,
853
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:08,015
a massive Irish estate that has been
in the Leslie family
854
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:10,295
for 1,000 years.
855
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:12,775
A whole new world opened up to them.
856
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:19,055
I think it was the great changing
of the old order, wasn't it?
857
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:24,015
I loved the sort of mixture,
858
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:27,495
the juxtaposition then
of the Stones and the Beatles
859
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:29,975
and the royals and the thing,
you know?
860
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:31,095
It suddenly was all...
861
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:35,175
Everybody and anybody were part
of the same thing.
862
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:36,335
It was excellent.
863
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:42,175
It was my sister Victoria's
birthday, and that was a sort of
864
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:47,895
wonderful melting pot with
the Kennedys and Princess Margaret
865
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:52,295
and the Beatles and the Stones
and then all my relations.
866
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:55,735
Brian definitely came.
867
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:58,215
Brian was the most sort of
sociable at that time.
868
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:00,855
He was much the most sort of
gregarious.
869
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:05,535
So it was it was the informality,
I think, of it that was part of
870
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:07,695
the whole thing of the '60s.
871
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:13,575
Never mind who was there, whether
it was rock stars or royalty
872
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:18,415
or scrubbers from the East End.
873
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:20,335
It really didn't make
any difference.
874
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:27,135
Brian's best friend at the time
was Tara Browne.
875
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:29,935
He was the Guinness heir
and owner of Dandie Fashions
876
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:31,495
on the King's Road.
877
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:38,175
The so-called Swinging London
was actually a very small group
878
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:41,615
of people, and Brian and Tara
were right at the centre.
879
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:49,215
Tara was immortalised in
the Beatles song A Day in the Life
880
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:51,535
when he had a tragic car accident.
881
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:56,015
# He blew his mind out in a car
882
01:05:57,040 --> 01:06:02,255
# He didn't notice that the lights
had changed
883
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:05,895
# A crowd of people stood
and stared... #
884
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:11,975
Brian was devastated
by Tara's death,
885
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:14,175
the first of that intimate circle.
886
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:19,855
Brian would later date
his girlfriend, Suki Poitier,
887
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:24,255
who was with Tara in the accident
but miraculously survived.
888
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:28,495
And we all wore
the Dandie Fashions look,
889
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:31,095
which was so much
the spirit of the time.
890
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:42,615
Anita was pushing him to dress
more outrageously.
891
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:45,775
He was the archetypal dandy,
892
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,735
more than anyone, you know,
in '66, '67.
893
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:01,535
At that point you can see
the power dynamics shift
894
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:04,655
within the band, where
Keith is coming back to Brian again.
895
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,015
BRIAN PLAYS THE PIANO
896
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:15,775
So for a period, yeah, he was back
with Keith, because he was cool
897
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:19,975
and happening, and obviously
at that time they did Ruby Tuesday.
898
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:25,855
He was doing all that stuff
without asking anyone.
899
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:30,095
He'd pick up a flute or just
anything that was handy
900
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:35,015
and just create something out of it
which wasn't there originally.
901
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:39,495
And it embellished the song so much
that it became the catch.
902
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:42,495
MUSIC: Ruby Tuesday
by The Rolling Stones
903
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:46,415
HE HUMS ALONG WITH FLUTE PART
# Or in the darkest night
904
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:48,415
# No-one knows... #
905
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:51,015
BILL: # Do, doo! #
Can you hear him?
906
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:53,935
# She comes and goes... #
907
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:56,695
# Do, do, do... #
908
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:58,775
# Goodbye, Ruby... #
909
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:00,335
He just finds a flute,
910
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:02,495
and he finds a little thing
he can play on it.
911
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:08,975
Brian's self-loathing came out
in the way he treated other people.
912
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:13,335
He and Anita particularly were known
for spiking people's drinks.
913
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:17,295
Anita would encourage him for that
kind of outrageous behaviour.
914
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:19,615
They would just mock people
who hadn't...
915
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:22,215
Who weren't turned on in
the same way that they were.
916
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:25,295
So that was a thing - "We're
the hip kids - we can make fun
917
01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:27,095
"of other people.”
918
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:30,415
For instance, Linda Lawrence came.
919
01:08:30,440 --> 01:08:33,855
I think she was short of money
for young Julian.
920
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:38,975
I think they were up in the flat,
Brian and Anita,
921
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:42,695
and they just laughed at her and
wouldn't let her come in.
922
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:32,135
So whilst he could still make
things happen in the studio,
923
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:36,295
he still was holding some power even
whilst he was this kind of liability
924
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:38,055
at the same time.
925
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:42,415
You know, he was pretty dominant
in terms of the sounds.
926
01:09:42,440 --> 01:09:46,735
You know, they needed to get
a bit more exotic.
927
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:48,975
Paint It Black,
he's embellished it again.
928
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:50,855
MUSIC: Paint It Black
by The Rolling Stones
929
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:51,975
Bass pedals.
930
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,655
There's Brian.
HE IMITATES SITAR
931
01:09:56,320 --> 01:10:01,895
# I see a line of cars and
they're all painted black... #
932
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:06,215
HE HUMS THE TUNE
933
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:09,775
Your head goes into, like...
934
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:12,495
You're suddenly in the Middle East
935
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:14,055
or Far East...
936
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:19,375
That made me realise that there was
a very inventive guy there.
937
01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:22,015
I mean, he was really a...
938
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:23,535
...bit of a genius.
939
01:10:29,480 --> 01:10:33,655
The Volker Schlondorff film Mord und
Totschlag was a big deal
940
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:35,375
for Anita and for Brian.
941
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:40,055
It was a starring role for Anita,
with a really good director,
942
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:44,255
and it was really pretty
like their own - Brian and Anita's -
943
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:47,255
relationship, where there was
this constant provocation
944
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:49,415
and escalation of provocation.
945
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:58,815
Hau ab jetzt.
946
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:22,015
When Keith went with Anita,
Brian decided to start going out
947
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:25,055
with Linda Keith, who used
to be Keith's girlfriend.
948
01:15:26,440 --> 01:15:28,335
All their relationships were
949
01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:31,135
always slightly incestuous.
950
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:33,575
Marianne, you know,
951
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:37,135
when she gave up with Mick,
she went with Brian...
952
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:41,055
...and then she went with Keith.
953
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:43,975
So she went with three of them.
954
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:48,535
Anita went with Brian, she went with
Mick, she went with Keith.
955
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:51,055
It was all very mixed up,
you know?
956
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:55,415
Girls would end up being with
another member of the band.
957
01:15:57,760 --> 01:15:59,375
Seeing the state of Brian,
958
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:03,255
his parents finally reached out to
help him.
959
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:07,975
What I firmly believe was
the turning point in Brian's life
960
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:12,175
was when he lost the only
girl he ever really loved.
961
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:17,815
When his mother and I saw him
for the first time for some months
962
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:22,735
after this happening, we were quite
shocked by the changes
963
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:24,335
of his appearance, and in our
opinion
964
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:26,775
he was never the same boy again.
965
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:31,455
He changed suddenly and alarmingly
966
01:16:31,480 --> 01:16:37,975
from a bright, enthusiastic young
man to a quiet and morose
967
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:40,575
and inward-looking young man.
968
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:48,055
Brian and Linda Keith's relationship
was tempestuous and drug-fuel led,
969
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:51,895
with Brian recovering from Anita
and Linda from Keith.
970
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:58,895
Linda ended up taking an overdose
in Brian's flat, which she survived.
971
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:01,335
Brian wrote this to her...
972
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:04,895
"Dearest darling Linda, I'm
presently very smashed.
973
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:08,215
"Please be with me.
974
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:10,215
"I'm so lonely by myself.
975
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:13,695
"I need you so badly and I love you
so much.
976
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:16,015
"Please understand what fucked us
up before,
977
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:18,975
"a terrible combination of
events.
978
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:21,135
"Please let's start again.
979
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:25,855
"Please marry me.
Please, please, please.
980
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:28,135
"All my love, Brian."
981
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:36,935
It was a painful year, you know?
982
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:41,655
'67 was a year of change
for everybody.
983
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:45,335
I mean, '67 was the explosion
of the drug culture.
984
01:17:55,720 --> 01:18:00,535
The whole infamous Stones drug bust
all followed in the wake of
985
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:02,935
News Of The World stories that
prided themselves
986
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:06,735
in actually busting Mick Jagger and
proclaiming him a drug user.
987
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:09,455
The problem was it wasn't Mick.
It was Brian.
988
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:14,375
He was hanging in a nightclub called
Blazing and boasting
989
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:16,495
about being a druggy hipster.
990
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:20,975
He actually told the reporter he
didn't do LSD much these days
991
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:24,415
now that everybody had taken
it up and, you know, he was doing
992
01:18:24,440 --> 01:18:26,095
it before anybody else.
993
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:30,375
For Mick, Brian was the villain
of the piece.
994
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:38,455
The only person who was really,
really out of it on drugs was Brian.
995
01:18:38,480 --> 01:18:40,015
This was like the last straw,
996
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:42,775
the straw that broke the camel's
back with Brian.
997
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:45,615
And I think it brought up a lot
of bad feelings that were already
998
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:47,935
there about Brian.
999
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:50,815
Mick didn't know he'd end up in
prison.
1000
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:52,455
It was just dreadful.
1001
01:18:52,480 --> 01:18:55,375
But it was very frightening, because
you saw the sort of the power
1002
01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:57,455
of the state, the power of the
status quo,
1003
01:18:57,480 --> 01:19:01,215
the whole thing coming
down on them - for nothing.
1004
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:06,775
Mick was very, very, very desperate
and Justin...
1005
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:08,935
It was a horrible thing.
1006
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:10,975
I don't think he ever thought this
sort of thing
1007
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:13,855
would ever happen to him
in his life.
1008
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:19,095
And I must say, to my shame,
I wasn't very compassionate at all.
1009
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:21,775
If you need to cry, you cry.
1010
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:26,055
It was a real moment of truth
and vulnerability.
1011
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:29,495
Needless to say, he never,
ever showed it again.
1012
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:02,295
The phone rings and it's Brian.
1013
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:05,775
And he said, "I'm not going... I'm
not going to come tomorrow."
1014
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:08,735
And I said... I said, "Huh? Why?"
1015
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:10,935
And he said, "Because they are so
mean to me."
1016
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:13,135
And I said, "Who's so mean?"
1017
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:17,135
He said, "Mick and Keith,
they are making my life hell.”
1018
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:21,535
Naively, I said, "Well, what would
the Rolling Stones be without you?"
1019
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:23,855
And anyway, I'm thinking, "What
the fuck do we do with four
1020
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:27,575
"Rolling Stones if we really are
looking at five Rolling Stones?"
1021
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:31,015
And so then he stopped,
1022
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:35,015
he listened and he stopped crying,
1023
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:37,015
and he said, "It's
just been a hard day."
1024
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:38,615
And also, you don't know how much
he's...
1025
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:40,735
I think he was drinking a lot.
1026
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:44,215
I convinced him to come
the next day.
1027
01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:46,735
There was something kind
of childlike about him,
1028
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:49,575
because then he had dressed
kind of like a wizard.
1029
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:54,735
Then when they got onstage at two
in the morning, he was...
1030
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:58,415
I would say he was drunk because he
looked it,
1031
01:21:58,440 --> 01:22:04,335
and he could play the maracas and he
could play the slide...
1032
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:09,055
...he could hardly play the guitar
in the regular way.
1033
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:14,655
He looked dreadful, really.
1034
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:16,535
His big bags under his eyes.
1035
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:19,535
I mean, really, bags under his eyes
for a guy of 26.
1036
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:25,815
He was just gone.
1037
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:27,655
Well, he wouldn't turn up half
the time.
1038
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:29,895
When he did turn up, he was not
in any condition
1039
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:31,935
to do anything, had to baby him.
1040
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:34,175
And it was very sad.
1041
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:39,215
I saw him as another person
with incredibly low self-esteem
1042
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:43,775
who needed help not to be destroyed
and ground underfoot.
1043
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:47,575
And that's when I kind of realised
what was going on
1044
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:50,055
and how it was going to affect me.
1045
01:22:52,440 --> 01:22:57,455
That kind of ruthlessness, you know,
the bit where they would pretend
1046
01:22:57,480 --> 01:23:00,655
to be recording Brian and not
have him plugged in,
1047
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:02,055
that was really terrible.
1048
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:20,055
CROWD CLAMOURS
1049
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:27,375
Both Marianne and Brian,
they were victims of the Stones.
1050
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:29,575
She realised she was no
longer useful...
1051
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:36,655
...and he was especially horrified
to be ostracised from his band.
1052
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:09,895
A rock group is sort of like a,
you know, a primitive tribe.
1053
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:14,775
People are often killed in tribes,
psychically, if they're expelled.
1054
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:16,895
And a rock group is sort
of like that.
1055
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:21,775
I mean, their whole lifeblood comes
from that bond.
1056
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:27,095
Once they're of no use, that
is...oddly fatal.
1057
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:31,575
Like, nobody wants to talk
to them or deal with them.
1058
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:34,415
They just go off into the woods
and die.
1059
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:39,815
I felt like he was very much
the underdog.
1060
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:44,655
He was lost and, you know,
I just felt for him.
1061
01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:46,375
I felt that he had been...
1062
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:50,735
...badly treated.
1063
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:52,735
I remember he had a dog.
1064
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:55,375
She was a spaniel.
1065
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:56,615
Such a sweet dog.
1066
01:24:57,720 --> 01:25:01,895
She was maybe about five years old,
and she looked about 20
1067
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:06,935
because she'd eaten a cake with acid
and she'd gone on a trip
1068
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:10,655
that had lasted sort of months
and months.
1069
01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:13,735
You know, sad things that happen.
1070
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:20,855
Charlie phoned me up, phone went
about three in the morning
1071
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:24,135
and he just said, "Brian died.”
1072
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:28,935
I couldn't believe it, you know?
1073
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:33,935
It was such a blow that, you know,
you just don't accept it for weeks.
1074
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:36,655
You can't really believe it's true.
1075
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:38,055
And I mean, I don't...
1076
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:40,015
I don't think we slept after that,
1077
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:41,895
we just laid and talked and...
1078
01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:45,015
Just couldn't understand it.
1079
01:25:48,480 --> 01:25:52,015
I think he'd been doing
what he always used to do,
1080
01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:56,135
and that was taken downers and doing
heavy alcohol,
1081
01:25:56,160 --> 01:25:58,655
and fell asleep in the pool.
1082
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:00,775
It was basically that simple.
1083
01:26:04,480 --> 01:26:06,215
He got much nicer to...
1084
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:09,855
Just before he died, you know,
the last few years of his life,
1085
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:14,095
I felt even sorrier for him
for what we did to him then.
1086
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:17,615
We took his one thing away,
which was being in a band.
1087
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:24,695
It really knocked us back.
1088
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:29,535
I mean, been with that cat for seven
or eight years nonstop, you know?
1089
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:33,615
To have him suddenly removed
completely.
1090
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:39,935
Although it was a shock
when it actually happened,
1091
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:42,615
nobody was really that surprised
too.
1092
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:45,375
There are people... I'm sure
that everybody's got those things
1093
01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:47,655
about certain people everybody
knows people that...
1094
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:50,255
...you just have that feeling that
they're not going to be...
1095
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:52,855
they're not going to be 70 years old
ever, you know?
1096
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:55,575
Not everybody makes it.
1097
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:17,575
I was just 20,
1098
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:21,895
and we were all incredibly
shocked by Brian's death.
1099
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:25,975
It was the first drug-alcohol
casualty of our generation.
1100
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:30,935
We felt his death marked the end
of the '60s, and the concert
1101
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:34,815
in the park which we all went to
was very much the end of the '60s
1102
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:39,895
and a sort of mass funeral
for everything that had gone before.
1103
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:42,695
You just knew there was going
to be a massive change,
1104
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:46,055
and Brian's death somehow was
an emblem for that.
1105
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:58,015
I flew to London immediately
from Munich when I heard about it.
1106
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:03,455
I was there, and stayed with Anita
and Keith in their house.
1107
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:09,815
We were talking and sitting
and hugging.
1108
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:17,135
There was a mourning and sadness
around all of them.
1109
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:25,095
It was a very emotional thing,
the way they organised
1110
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:30,055
this farewell and goodbye,
as if to say,
1111
01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:33,975
"Now you're still - or again -
one of us."
1112
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:39,495
And Mick was very upset.
1113
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:42,295
APPLAUSE
1114
01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:47,735
I just want to say something
that was written by Shelley,
1115
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:51,175
and I think it goes with
what happened to Brian.
1116
01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:58,295
Peace, peace! He is not dead,
he does not sleep.
1117
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:01,135
He has awakened
from the dreams of life.
1118
01:29:01,160 --> 01:29:03,015
APPLAUSE
1119
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:06,255
Brian was so sensitive, really,
1120
01:29:06,280 --> 01:29:10,575
because Brian was so sensitive
to everything, you know what I mean?
1121
01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:14,375
I suppose there was a kind of
feeling that I knew that Brian would...
1122
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:17,095
If anyone was going to die,
Brian was going to die.
1123
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:24,615
I mean, I always knew that Brian
wouldn't really live that long.
1124
01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:29,775
But he just... He lived his life
very fast.
1125
01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:39,895
He was... He was kind
of like a butterfly.
1126
01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:55,935
40 years after Brian died, a box
of old letters addressed to Brian
1127
01:29:55,960 --> 01:30:00,095
were discovered in the attic
of Linda Lawrence's family house.
1128
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:03,095
In it was this letter
from Brian's father.
1129
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:09,775
"My dear Brian,
we have had unhappy times
1130
01:30:09,800 --> 01:30:15,535
"and I have been a very poor and
intolerant father in so many ways.
1131
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:20,295
"You grew up in such a different way
from that
1132
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:22,295
"in which I expected you to.
1133
01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:25,535
"I was quite out of my depth.
1134
01:30:25,560 --> 01:30:29,695
"In my most drastic of all actions,
1135
01:30:29,720 --> 01:30:34,015
"which I shall never forget
or cease to worry over,
1136
01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:37,735
"I felt it was the only way
to save my home
1137
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:40,615
"and bring you to terms with
yourself.
1138
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:46,135
"I don't suppose you will ever
forgive me, but all I ask
1139
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:50,615
"is just a little of that affection
I think you once had for me.
1140
01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:56,335
"This is a very private
and personal note.
1141
01:30:56,360 --> 01:30:58,015
"Don't trouble to reply.
1142
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:04,415
"Love, Dad."
1143
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:12,895
MUSIC: Rollin' Stone
by Muddy waters
1144
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:24,255
# I be a rollin' stone
1145
01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:26,455
# You gonna be a rollin' stone
1146
01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:29,775
# You gonna be a rollin' stone
1147
01:31:31,440 --> 01:31:33,295
# Oh, darn
1148
01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:36,775
# Sure 'nough, he gon'
1149
01:31:38,120 --> 01:31:39,735
# Oh, yeah
1150
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:52,455
# Well, I feel
1151
01:31:52,480 --> 01:31:55,735
# Yes, I feel
1152
01:31:55,760 --> 01:32:01,335
# Feel that I could lay down, oh,
time ain't long
1153
01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:06,455
# 'ma catch the first
thing smokin' back
1154
01:32:06,480 --> 01:32:08,495
# Back down the road I'm goin'
1155
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:11,495
# Back down the road I'm goin'
1156
01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:14,695
# Back down the road I'm goin'
1157
01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:19,215
# Oh, God, oh... #
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