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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:12,074 Advertise your product or brand here contact www.OpenSubtitles.org today 2 00:00:53,270 --> 00:00:56,316 Mary Pascarella was the lead psychic 3 00:00:56,317 --> 00:00:58,101 who investigated the house. 4 00:00:59,842 --> 00:01:01,712 Mary is a professional psychic, 5 00:01:01,713 --> 00:01:04,934 a time walker who picked up on some truly terrifying things. 6 00:01:07,197 --> 00:01:09,329 She said it was the first time 7 00:01:09,330 --> 00:01:10,547 she had ever encountered something 8 00:01:10,548 --> 00:01:13,247 she could only describe as pure evil. 9 00:01:18,339 --> 00:01:20,383 People say this is a hoax. 10 00:01:20,384 --> 00:01:22,472 It's done for money. 11 00:01:22,473 --> 00:01:24,344 But let me tell you, you never sign 12 00:01:24,345 --> 00:01:26,260 a contract with the devil. 13 00:01:30,742 --> 00:01:33,180 This house chooses victims. 14 00:01:35,225 --> 00:01:37,357 We just wanted to get the house fixed 15 00:01:37,358 --> 00:01:39,447 so we could move back in. 16 00:01:41,405 --> 00:01:42,492 I began to say my prayers. 17 00:01:42,493 --> 00:01:45,147 And I was saying the Our Father. 18 00:01:45,148 --> 00:01:47,149 And as I was saying the Our Father, 19 00:01:47,150 --> 00:01:48,629 I looked out at the door, 20 00:01:48,630 --> 00:01:51,111 and I had the impression of a young person. 21 00:01:57,291 --> 00:02:00,468 I hope this is as close to hell as I'll ever get. 22 00:03:14,368 --> 00:03:15,803 George and Kathy, 23 00:03:15,804 --> 00:03:18,240 whatever happened to them in the house, 24 00:03:18,241 --> 00:03:20,590 they got the kids, 25 00:03:20,591 --> 00:03:22,723 they left all their furnishings, 26 00:03:22,724 --> 00:03:25,291 all their clothing, everything in the house 27 00:03:25,292 --> 00:03:27,424 and just ran. 28 00:03:31,298 --> 00:03:34,952 They went to a motel for that first night. 29 00:03:42,265 --> 00:03:44,266 After Kathy and I left the house, 30 00:03:44,267 --> 00:03:49,532 we came to the conclusion that Ronald DeFeo, 31 00:03:49,533 --> 00:03:51,273 physically, he did the murders, 32 00:03:51,274 --> 00:03:54,711 but spiritually, emotionally, no, 33 00:03:54,712 --> 00:03:58,498 I don't believe that he's, in a pure sense, responsible. 34 00:03:58,499 --> 00:04:00,326 There's no doubt in my mind that he was influenced 35 00:04:00,327 --> 00:04:02,893 by that house and that he was controlled, 36 00:04:02,894 --> 00:04:05,114 at least for a point. 37 00:04:07,595 --> 00:04:10,553 It would further the tragedy sitting in jail 38 00:04:10,554 --> 00:04:13,382 for six consecutive life terms. 39 00:04:32,707 --> 00:04:35,231 I didn't like William Weber. 40 00:04:37,929 --> 00:04:41,803 He was writing a book about the DeFeo murder. 41 00:04:43,587 --> 00:04:48,025 Through friends of ours, we met William Weber, 42 00:04:48,026 --> 00:04:50,725 sat down and spoke with him. 43 00:04:52,988 --> 00:04:56,686 He wanted George and Kathy to put their story 44 00:04:56,687 --> 00:05:00,821 along with his story 45 00:05:00,822 --> 00:05:03,389 so that it seemed like Ronald DeFeo 46 00:05:03,390 --> 00:05:06,827 was into devil worship, or there was something 47 00:05:06,828 --> 00:05:11,571 in the house that caused him to kill his whole family. 48 00:05:22,104 --> 00:05:25,454 In the 1970s, the thought that the devil 49 00:05:25,455 --> 00:05:30,199 could possess somebody became a very big deal. 50 00:05:35,596 --> 00:05:38,946 In December of '75, Ronnie DeFeo 51 00:05:38,947 --> 00:05:41,514 had just been convicted, 52 00:05:41,515 --> 00:05:44,605 just two, three years after The Exorcist. 53 00:05:48,435 --> 00:05:51,480 Mr. Weber says, listen, these people named 54 00:05:51,481 --> 00:05:53,395 the Lutzes bought your house. 55 00:05:53,396 --> 00:05:56,398 And we can use them and make money. 56 00:05:56,399 --> 00:05:58,008 I said, what are you talking about? 57 00:05:58,009 --> 00:06:00,402 He tells me, look, we got The Godfather 58 00:06:00,403 --> 00:06:02,622 and The Exorcist all in one hand, Ronnie. 59 00:06:02,623 --> 00:06:04,450 We're gonna make big, big money. 60 00:06:20,815 --> 00:06:22,642 The devil knocks off the mafia. 61 00:06:22,643 --> 00:06:25,253 The old box office champ, The Godfather, 62 00:06:25,254 --> 00:06:26,994 is being flattened by that movie 63 00:06:26,995 --> 00:06:29,649 about diabolical possession, The Exorcist. 64 00:07:07,557 --> 00:07:09,906 Could you give us your reaction to the movie, please? 65 00:07:09,907 --> 00:07:11,647 Could you give us your reaction to the movie? 66 00:07:11,648 --> 00:07:13,344 It's something else. 67 00:07:13,345 --> 00:07:16,565 - All glory to God. - Great. 68 00:07:16,566 --> 00:07:18,262 Disgusting. 69 00:07:18,263 --> 00:07:19,307 It was disgusting in what way? 70 00:07:19,308 --> 00:07:20,700 It was just morbid. 71 00:07:20,701 --> 00:07:22,353 Just all the gory, the blood and all. 72 00:07:22,354 --> 00:07:25,487 It was a traumatic experience. 73 00:07:25,488 --> 00:07:26,619 Didn't you like it? 74 00:07:26,620 --> 00:07:28,534 It was... yeah, it was very interesting. 75 00:07:28,535 --> 00:07:31,928 - Why? - Because it might be real. 76 00:07:31,929 --> 00:07:33,582 You know, I get to thinking that, you know, 77 00:07:33,583 --> 00:07:35,497 something like that might transpire, 78 00:07:35,498 --> 00:07:36,585 you know, around here. 79 00:07:36,586 --> 00:07:38,065 I don't know. 80 00:07:38,066 --> 00:07:40,110 People who were agnostic, 81 00:07:40,111 --> 00:07:41,503 people who were atheists 82 00:07:41,504 --> 00:07:44,071 went into that movie and came out 83 00:07:44,072 --> 00:07:45,725 and were sleeping with the lights on 84 00:07:45,726 --> 00:07:47,509 and wearing crucifixes, 85 00:07:47,510 --> 00:07:49,150 whether or not they were religious or not. 86 00:07:51,601 --> 00:07:56,127 Everybody went to see this. 87 00:08:02,438 --> 00:08:07,007 So here's William Weber, a defense attorney, 88 00:08:07,008 --> 00:08:10,314 coaching the Lutzes on what they could say and do 89 00:08:10,315 --> 00:08:12,534 to play up this haunted thing. 90 00:08:18,672 --> 00:08:21,804 But when the Lutzes gave a press conference 91 00:08:21,805 --> 00:08:26,766 in William Weber's office, it was more notable, 92 00:08:26,767 --> 00:08:30,900 that press conference, for everything they didn't say. 93 00:08:30,901 --> 00:08:35,426 The Lutzes did not claim that they saw, heard, or felt 94 00:08:35,427 --> 00:08:38,778 the ghosts of the dead DeFeos. 95 00:08:38,779 --> 00:08:41,128 They didn't say it was something demonic. 96 00:08:45,786 --> 00:08:49,397 In fact, the Lutzes were very ambiguous 97 00:08:49,398 --> 00:08:51,138 about what happened. 98 00:08:51,139 --> 00:08:54,358 So the reporters were left with more questions 99 00:08:54,359 --> 00:08:58,624 than answers, which might be a smart marketing strategy. 100 00:08:58,625 --> 00:09:00,800 Leave them wanting more, 101 00:09:00,801 --> 00:09:04,281 and people will leap to fill the void. 102 00:09:07,459 --> 00:09:10,592 He tries to communicate by psychic force 103 00:09:10,593 --> 00:09:12,812 with the plant world. 104 00:09:12,813 --> 00:09:14,161 The plant in question 105 00:09:14,162 --> 00:09:16,729 is a rather wan split philodendron, 106 00:09:16,730 --> 00:09:19,949 which Vogel has hooked up to a polygraph machine. 107 00:09:19,950 --> 00:09:21,603 Here, Peter Hurkos, 108 00:09:21,604 --> 00:09:23,605 a psychic investigator, is attempting to help 109 00:09:23,606 --> 00:09:25,215 a metropolitan police department 110 00:09:25,216 --> 00:09:27,217 by looking into the past. 111 00:09:27,218 --> 00:09:30,873 He does this by receiving images from the murder weapon, 112 00:09:30,874 --> 00:09:33,441 hoping to reconstruct the crime. 113 00:09:33,442 --> 00:09:36,313 He was hired to help find the Boston Strangler, 114 00:09:36,314 --> 00:09:38,620 did police work on the Charles Manson murders. 115 00:09:38,621 --> 00:09:41,841 Like a suitcase. 116 00:09:41,842 --> 00:09:46,323 She was stabbed to death five times. 117 00:09:46,324 --> 00:09:48,761 What you have just seen is part 118 00:09:48,762 --> 00:09:51,633 of an astounding collection of psychic phenomena, 119 00:09:51,634 --> 00:09:57,334 demonstrations of the powers of the mind. 120 00:09:57,335 --> 00:10:00,642 At the time that the Lutzes held 121 00:10:00,643 --> 00:10:05,081 the joint press conference with William Weber, 122 00:10:05,082 --> 00:10:08,911 I had been assigned to produce a series 123 00:10:08,912 --> 00:10:12,480 on the supernatural and paranormal at Channel 5 124 00:10:12,481 --> 00:10:15,788 by the news director. 125 00:10:15,789 --> 00:10:17,703 So I'm seeing this story 126 00:10:17,704 --> 00:10:20,836 when it was reported in the Long Island Press Newsday. 127 00:10:20,837 --> 00:10:23,012 It was fairly local. 128 00:10:29,716 --> 00:10:32,718 Oh, wow, a real-life haunted house 129 00:10:32,719 --> 00:10:34,721 that we could actually visit? 130 00:10:36,592 --> 00:10:38,680 There was no way that this was not going 131 00:10:38,681 --> 00:10:42,945 to be a big ratings grabber. 132 00:10:42,946 --> 00:10:46,775 So at that point, nobody knew how to reach the Lutzes. 133 00:10:46,776 --> 00:10:49,561 They were not living at Ocean Avenue anymore. 134 00:10:54,566 --> 00:10:56,698 After they left the house, 135 00:10:56,699 --> 00:11:01,703 the Lutzes moved permanently into Kathy's mother's house. 136 00:11:01,704 --> 00:11:04,793 If I hadn't been sitting there and seeing how different 137 00:11:04,794 --> 00:11:07,753 George was, I would have been a little skeptical 138 00:11:07,754 --> 00:11:10,494 about what was going on. 139 00:11:10,495 --> 00:11:13,541 He wasn't the same happy, carefree person 140 00:11:13,542 --> 00:11:15,717 that he was before. 141 00:11:15,718 --> 00:11:20,897 He seemed really broken, totally broken. 142 00:11:23,030 --> 00:11:25,727 Seeing the way he was, I knew something happened, 143 00:11:25,728 --> 00:11:27,947 something had had to have happened to him 144 00:11:27,948 --> 00:11:29,862 for him to change like that. 145 00:11:34,781 --> 00:11:37,739 The way they got it out of their system was, 146 00:11:37,740 --> 00:11:43,614 they made audiotapes of each day of what happened, 147 00:11:43,615 --> 00:11:45,747 every little detail. 148 00:11:45,748 --> 00:11:49,795 They didn't want to retell it again and again. 149 00:11:49,796 --> 00:11:52,972 If they retold it, it was like reliving it, 150 00:11:52,973 --> 00:11:54,887 and they didn't want that to happen. 151 00:11:54,888 --> 00:11:57,586 They just got everything out by putting it on the audiotapes. 152 00:12:02,852 --> 00:12:04,853 We just sat down and did a series 153 00:12:04,854 --> 00:12:09,815 of about 26 cassette tapes, 154 00:12:09,816 --> 00:12:12,034 just talking about what happened 155 00:12:12,035 --> 00:12:14,777 while we were in the house. 156 00:12:18,825 --> 00:12:21,609 On those tapes, nothing was chronological. 157 00:12:21,610 --> 00:12:24,003 We skipped all around. 158 00:12:24,004 --> 00:12:25,875 Our language certainly wasn't the best. 159 00:12:28,878 --> 00:12:31,488 We were drinking at times when we were doing 160 00:12:31,489 --> 00:12:33,795 those recordings. 161 00:12:33,796 --> 00:12:35,841 By the time I left the house, I was drinking pretty heavily, 162 00:12:35,842 --> 00:12:37,668 without a doubt. 163 00:12:44,894 --> 00:12:47,809 Nobody could find George, 164 00:12:47,810 --> 00:12:50,246 so I called George's surveying company. 165 00:12:50,247 --> 00:12:52,814 And I said, "Hi, my name is Laura DiDio, 166 00:12:52,815 --> 00:12:54,816 "and I work for Channel 5 News, 167 00:12:54,817 --> 00:12:57,036 "and I have worked 168 00:12:57,037 --> 00:13:00,169 "with reputable paranormal investigators 169 00:13:00,170 --> 00:13:04,521 like Hans Holzer, Ed and Lorraine Warren." 170 00:13:04,522 --> 00:13:07,176 And I said, "I'd really like to help them." 171 00:13:09,701 --> 00:13:12,529 George wanted the parapsychologists 172 00:13:12,530 --> 00:13:16,620 to have seances in the house to validate 173 00:13:16,621 --> 00:13:18,100 what happened in the house, 174 00:13:18,101 --> 00:13:19,841 that there really were spirits there, 175 00:13:19,842 --> 00:13:22,409 that there really was evil there. 176 00:13:27,545 --> 00:13:29,895 The Warrens have devoted 37 years 177 00:13:29,896 --> 00:13:32,636 to study of the supernatural. 178 00:13:32,637 --> 00:13:35,901 The School of Demonology behind their Connecticut home 179 00:13:35,902 --> 00:13:39,861 houses a collection of what Ed Warren calls unholy things 180 00:13:39,862 --> 00:13:40,906 of historic value. 181 00:13:46,869 --> 00:13:48,914 Laura DiDio convinced the Warrens to come down 182 00:13:48,915 --> 00:13:51,265 and go through the house. 183 00:13:53,180 --> 00:13:54,702 Our special guests tonight 184 00:13:54,703 --> 00:13:56,878 are Ed and Lorraine Warren, 185 00:13:56,879 --> 00:13:59,315 who, in their 32 years as ghost hunters, 186 00:13:59,316 --> 00:14:01,927 have investigated over 3,000 cases of haunted houses 187 00:14:01,928 --> 00:14:04,755 and demonic possession and have been involved 188 00:14:04,756 --> 00:14:06,670 in numerous exorcisms. 189 00:14:06,671 --> 00:14:09,673 Now obviously, you believe in ghosts. 190 00:14:09,674 --> 00:14:12,111 I don't think it's a case of belief. 191 00:14:12,112 --> 00:14:15,114 I think it's a case of the evidence. 192 00:14:15,115 --> 00:14:16,898 So I called them up. 193 00:14:16,899 --> 00:14:19,161 We set the date for March 6th 194 00:14:19,162 --> 00:14:23,122 to go into the house and investigate. 195 00:14:23,123 --> 00:14:25,907 They were giving Channel 5 and myself the exclusive. 196 00:14:30,260 --> 00:14:32,914 George had asked me to go to the airport 197 00:14:32,915 --> 00:14:34,176 and pick up the parapsychologists 198 00:14:34,177 --> 00:14:36,135 that were flying in from Duke 199 00:14:36,136 --> 00:14:37,877 and take them to the Amityville house. 200 00:14:40,227 --> 00:14:45,144 There was a noted psychic with the team. 201 00:14:45,145 --> 00:14:48,364 I felt while we were driving that this psychic 202 00:14:48,365 --> 00:14:52,542 was trying to find out from me mentally 203 00:14:52,543 --> 00:14:55,415 what had happened in the house. 204 00:14:55,416 --> 00:14:57,025 It was a very strange experience. 205 00:14:57,026 --> 00:14:58,505 I'm sitting riding in a car. 206 00:14:58,506 --> 00:15:00,942 There's this man sitting here not talking to me, 207 00:15:00,943 --> 00:15:07,166 wanting me to think about the Lutzes. 208 00:15:07,167 --> 00:15:11,083 Finally, I got so fed up with the whole feeling 209 00:15:11,084 --> 00:15:14,173 that, in my head, I said, "Stop it." 210 00:15:14,174 --> 00:15:16,958 Like, I shouted it in my head. 211 00:15:16,959 --> 00:15:20,440 Right after that, this psychic turned to me and said, 212 00:15:20,441 --> 00:15:23,008 "I'm sorry," out loud. 213 00:15:23,009 --> 00:15:25,749 And then I was convinced that it was him. 214 00:15:25,750 --> 00:15:27,316 He was probing. 215 00:15:27,317 --> 00:15:31,059 He was trying to find out what I knew about it, 216 00:15:31,060 --> 00:15:32,801 which he wasn't supposed to know. 217 00:15:37,066 --> 00:15:41,157 When we went into the house, it was jarring. 218 00:15:43,116 --> 00:15:47,119 So it looked like a nice middle-class house, 219 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:51,037 just that the people were out for the day. 220 00:15:54,605 --> 00:15:56,606 Kathy had made... And I'll never forget this... 221 00:15:56,607 --> 00:15:58,434 She had made a gingerbread house 222 00:15:58,435 --> 00:16:00,262 for the kids for Christmas. 223 00:16:00,263 --> 00:16:03,265 And that was still on the dining room table. 224 00:16:03,266 --> 00:16:07,443 All of the food was spoiling. 225 00:16:33,166 --> 00:16:35,036 Laura DiDio and the crew and I, 226 00:16:35,037 --> 00:16:36,952 we arrived around midnight. 227 00:16:42,088 --> 00:16:45,133 Parapsychologists from Duke University were there. 228 00:16:45,134 --> 00:16:47,048 They had cameras set up and different equipment 229 00:16:47,049 --> 00:16:50,530 to sense any paranormal activity in the house. 230 00:17:27,742 --> 00:17:30,874 There was a crucifix and a blessed candle 231 00:17:30,875 --> 00:17:34,095 to provoke whatever beings were in that house. 232 00:18:12,613 --> 00:18:14,266 Looks like a... 233 00:18:14,267 --> 00:18:18,270 A black shadow that forms a hood. 234 00:18:18,271 --> 00:18:21,142 And it moves. 235 00:18:21,143 --> 00:18:23,362 And as it moves, it kind of... 236 00:18:23,363 --> 00:18:27,148 It says, "I feel personally threatened." 237 00:18:38,204 --> 00:18:41,380 It's... I think it's... Whatever's here. 238 00:18:44,384 --> 00:18:46,298 Whatever is here is... 239 00:18:46,299 --> 00:18:49,039 Is it trying to harm them? 240 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,042 Yes. And it's something that comes at you 241 00:18:52,043 --> 00:18:54,306 and makes your heart speed up, that kind of thing. 242 00:19:03,185 --> 00:19:05,230 Then Lorraine Warren said, "Come on, Marvin. 243 00:19:05,231 --> 00:19:06,405 "We're going upstairs to the sewing room," 244 00:19:06,406 --> 00:19:08,015 which was the area which had 245 00:19:08,016 --> 00:19:10,757 the strongest paranormal sense." 246 00:19:19,462 --> 00:19:23,465 Lorraine said to me, "Marvin, this is the deepest, 247 00:19:23,466 --> 00:19:27,295 the closest to hell I ever want to get." 248 00:19:27,296 --> 00:19:31,212 And she was quite serious 249 00:19:31,213 --> 00:19:34,476 and seemed quite concerned in that moment. 250 00:19:38,438 --> 00:19:40,962 We went room to room. 251 00:19:44,313 --> 00:19:47,794 But when we went upstairs to the third floor... 252 00:19:54,236 --> 00:19:57,282 It was like she walked into a wall. 253 00:19:57,283 --> 00:19:59,240 And she stepped right back. 254 00:19:59,241 --> 00:20:01,417 She said, "I can't go in here. I can't go in here." 255 00:20:04,377 --> 00:20:10,165 I just feel an overwhelming sense of oppression, dread. 256 00:20:11,906 --> 00:20:14,387 And that was Ronnie's bedroom. 257 00:20:18,521 --> 00:20:20,870 Lorraine sat down, 258 00:20:20,871 --> 00:20:22,524 and she had a headache after that 259 00:20:22,525 --> 00:20:26,485 that stayed with her. 260 00:20:26,486 --> 00:20:29,663 There was a hush that came over. 261 00:20:43,807 --> 00:20:48,115 We had gotten to the point where the house 262 00:20:48,116 --> 00:20:50,160 had began to affect me. 263 00:20:50,161 --> 00:20:51,640 And I had gotten up on the stairs, 264 00:20:51,641 --> 00:20:53,512 and I called down to Ed, and I said, 265 00:20:53,513 --> 00:20:55,514 "Ed, I'm as sick as a dog." 266 00:20:55,515 --> 00:20:56,993 So I said to Ed, "I'm gonna lay down 267 00:20:56,994 --> 00:20:59,214 in the bed for a little while." 268 00:21:02,043 --> 00:21:05,175 And as I was saying the Our Father, 269 00:21:05,176 --> 00:21:07,308 I looked out of the door. 270 00:21:07,309 --> 00:21:09,876 There was a group of figures standing 271 00:21:09,877 --> 00:21:13,184 outside of the door saying the Our Father backward. 272 00:21:16,362 --> 00:21:19,320 The energy in that house remains. 273 00:21:19,321 --> 00:21:23,324 It may take a hundred years of our time, 274 00:21:23,325 --> 00:21:25,674 but it will implode again. 275 00:21:29,026 --> 00:21:31,420 That house is purely evil. 276 00:21:36,599 --> 00:21:38,687 We went back to the station. 277 00:21:38,688 --> 00:21:42,691 We cut the piece. And it ran on the 10:00 news. 278 00:21:46,609 --> 00:21:48,915 The response was overwhelming. 279 00:21:48,916 --> 00:21:51,918 People just went wild over this. 280 00:21:55,575 --> 00:21:57,837 We had great ratings that night. 281 00:21:57,838 --> 00:22:00,535 Often, I'm asked if I was scared 282 00:22:00,536 --> 00:22:03,190 during that night in the house at 112 Ocean Avenue. 283 00:22:03,191 --> 00:22:04,410 No, I was not. 284 00:22:06,586 --> 00:22:09,414 When the investigators were asked to come in, 285 00:22:09,415 --> 00:22:14,419 we hadn't told them what we experienced. 286 00:22:14,420 --> 00:22:17,247 But they had no intention of ever going back 287 00:22:17,248 --> 00:22:20,425 and investigating further. 288 00:22:20,426 --> 00:22:23,645 Their only suggestion was to have the house exorcised. 289 00:22:39,923 --> 00:22:42,621 George lost a lot of money with the house. 290 00:22:42,622 --> 00:22:45,625 So I think financially, they were not doing well at all. 291 00:22:49,455 --> 00:22:52,457 Weber, the DeFeos' attorney, had asked us 292 00:22:52,458 --> 00:22:54,110 to sign a book contract with him, 293 00:22:54,111 --> 00:22:56,461 and we refused because he was gonna 294 00:22:56,462 --> 00:22:59,595 pay DeFeo 5% of proceeds for murdering his family. 295 00:23:02,946 --> 00:23:05,861 Plus, he was gonna get to say what we did 296 00:23:05,862 --> 00:23:08,037 with the rest of our lives with regard to the story, 297 00:23:08,038 --> 00:23:10,693 and it was just beyond belief. 298 00:23:12,521 --> 00:23:14,130 Our story was ours, 299 00:23:14,131 --> 00:23:15,654 and we were not gonna do a contract with him, 300 00:23:15,655 --> 00:23:17,438 and we didn't want anything more to do with that. 301 00:23:17,439 --> 00:23:19,440 We weren't interested in dealing with him. 302 00:23:19,441 --> 00:23:22,487 And that was it. 303 00:23:25,665 --> 00:23:27,448 I told them that it was their story, 304 00:23:27,449 --> 00:23:31,147 and I felt that they shouldn't have to go with William Weber, 305 00:23:31,148 --> 00:23:34,455 that the whole haunting or whatever happened 306 00:23:34,456 --> 00:23:39,895 to them in the house was not part of the murder story. 307 00:23:39,896 --> 00:23:43,682 And I happened to find the name of a publisher in a book 308 00:23:43,683 --> 00:23:45,727 that I was reading about supernatural 309 00:23:45,728 --> 00:23:47,947 because then was interested in it. 310 00:23:47,948 --> 00:23:51,472 And I called up this publisher in New York, Prentice Hall. 311 00:23:51,473 --> 00:23:55,694 And because of the publicity that was going on at the time, 312 00:23:55,695 --> 00:23:58,088 they agreed to talk with the Lutzes. 313 00:23:59,786 --> 00:24:03,528 So to George, this looked like a good way 314 00:24:03,529 --> 00:24:09,098 of getting some money, which I agreed with him. 315 00:24:09,099 --> 00:24:13,538 If it was being publicized now, just keep going with it. 316 00:24:13,539 --> 00:24:16,932 If this is what happened, you know the story. 317 00:24:16,933 --> 00:24:21,067 Then, the publisher got the writer, Jay Anson. 318 00:24:21,068 --> 00:24:24,723 And they took the audiotapes. 319 00:24:24,724 --> 00:24:27,596 And that's where The Amityville Horror came from. 320 00:24:33,820 --> 00:24:35,864 We met with Jay Anson. We spoke with him. 321 00:24:35,865 --> 00:24:37,736 We gave him the research materials 322 00:24:37,737 --> 00:24:40,695 we had done on the house and some tapes 323 00:24:40,696 --> 00:24:43,524 that Kathy and I had done over the weeks 324 00:24:43,525 --> 00:24:46,222 after we had left the house. 325 00:24:46,223 --> 00:24:48,747 And said, "Look, we're not gonna sit down 326 00:24:48,748 --> 00:24:50,531 "to be interviewed about this. 327 00:24:50,532 --> 00:24:51,793 "You can do what you can from the tapes. 328 00:24:51,794 --> 00:24:53,534 "But we're just not gonna relive this. 329 00:24:53,535 --> 00:24:55,318 "We've done it once, and we're not doing it again. 330 00:24:55,319 --> 00:24:57,365 We did it for the tapes." 331 00:24:58,845 --> 00:25:00,628 Then I spoke to the priest, 332 00:25:00,629 --> 00:25:02,761 and I heard his story. 333 00:25:02,762 --> 00:25:05,807 I was able to put together a chronology of the events 334 00:25:05,808 --> 00:25:09,550 that took place within that framework of 28 days. 335 00:25:09,551 --> 00:25:12,640 I was convinced there are things out there 336 00:25:12,641 --> 00:25:16,383 that many people cannot explain. 337 00:25:16,384 --> 00:25:19,604 I sincerely believe they took place. 338 00:25:25,828 --> 00:25:28,438 George told me that he felt that 339 00:25:28,439 --> 00:25:29,570 by staying in Long Island, 340 00:25:29,571 --> 00:25:31,746 they were too close to Amityville, 341 00:25:31,747 --> 00:25:34,575 and he felt that the further away he went, 342 00:25:34,576 --> 00:25:39,102 the evil, it couldn't come with him. 343 00:25:40,713 --> 00:25:44,803 So they moved as far away from the East Coast as they could. 344 00:25:54,988 --> 00:25:59,993 On Mother's Day of 1976, we landed in San Diego. 345 00:26:01,690 --> 00:26:03,822 I sold my business. 346 00:26:03,823 --> 00:26:05,737 We gave the house back to the bank. 347 00:26:05,738 --> 00:26:09,871 I couldn't stomach the idea of selling it to another family. 348 00:26:09,872 --> 00:26:12,178 I think I want my family and my children 349 00:26:12,179 --> 00:26:15,311 much more than I want a structure. 350 00:26:15,312 --> 00:26:18,880 And if you view it in that perspective, 351 00:26:18,881 --> 00:26:21,317 it's easy to walk away from. 352 00:26:25,627 --> 00:26:28,673 The book known as The Amityville Horror 353 00:26:28,674 --> 00:26:30,500 sold millions in hardcover, 354 00:26:30,501 --> 00:26:32,807 and it's doing likewise in paperback. 355 00:26:32,808 --> 00:26:35,636 When the book came out, the whole family 356 00:26:35,637 --> 00:26:38,639 was just living off the proceeds of the book. 357 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,641 They were very happy about it. 358 00:26:40,642 --> 00:26:42,817 George especially was very happy about it 359 00:26:42,818 --> 00:26:44,863 because this was... 360 00:26:44,864 --> 00:26:48,693 Helped financially for him, which he needed it 361 00:26:48,694 --> 00:26:51,305 to take care of his family. 362 00:26:52,523 --> 00:26:53,654 Of course, like a lot of people, 363 00:26:53,655 --> 00:26:55,874 I went out and bought the book. 364 00:26:55,875 --> 00:26:58,790 I remember reading pigs flying outside of windows 365 00:26:58,791 --> 00:27:03,229 and swarms of flies coming in and walls bleeding 366 00:27:03,230 --> 00:27:06,667 and weird sounds coming out of the ground 367 00:27:06,668 --> 00:27:08,060 in the backyard and stuff. 368 00:27:08,061 --> 00:27:10,715 And I was like, this is so... This is ridiculous. 369 00:27:10,716 --> 00:27:14,893 After I read the book, I never talked to George again. 370 00:27:14,894 --> 00:27:16,808 I read it. I put it down. 371 00:27:16,809 --> 00:27:18,810 I couldn't finish it. 372 00:27:18,811 --> 00:27:23,292 Oozing door locks, levitation of his wife, 373 00:27:23,293 --> 00:27:27,775 stuff that I never saw or heard in that house. 374 00:27:27,776 --> 00:27:29,734 Why did you come by tonight to look at this house? 375 00:27:29,735 --> 00:27:31,518 To see what that book was all about 376 00:27:31,519 --> 00:27:33,347 and everything about the house. 377 00:27:34,609 --> 00:27:37,567 It's a joke. It's a joke, a complete joke. 378 00:27:37,568 --> 00:27:42,572 I mean, pigs flying around, all these stupid stories. 379 00:27:42,573 --> 00:27:44,966 Someone's trying to cash in here. 380 00:27:52,801 --> 00:27:55,934 I truly believe that they believe all these things. 381 00:27:55,935 --> 00:27:58,763 I was not there obviously. 382 00:27:58,764 --> 00:28:01,548 They told me their story. The priest told me his story. 383 00:28:01,549 --> 00:28:03,855 And I put it together in repertory style. 384 00:28:03,856 --> 00:28:06,771 And I leave it up to you. 385 00:28:06,772 --> 00:28:10,513 It was being sold and promoted as a true story. 386 00:28:10,514 --> 00:28:14,343 I saw nothing to substantiate that word "true." 387 00:28:14,344 --> 00:28:17,956 But it was a good story, and it was a big moneymaker. 388 00:28:19,741 --> 00:28:21,743 Get out! 389 00:28:27,314 --> 00:28:29,925 Anson sold the movie rights. 390 00:28:31,797 --> 00:28:33,841 Cut! 391 00:28:33,842 --> 00:28:35,582 He didn't ask us 392 00:28:35,583 --> 00:28:38,977 whether we wanted that to happen or not. 393 00:28:38,978 --> 00:28:40,675 He just went ahead and did it. 394 00:28:43,025 --> 00:28:45,331 Then they came to us and sent us contracts 395 00:28:45,332 --> 00:28:48,814 and said, "We're gonna do your movie." 396 00:28:55,777 --> 00:28:58,910 The Amityville Horror is one of the first 397 00:28:58,911 --> 00:29:01,564 motion pictures filmed almost entirely in New Jersey. 398 00:29:05,787 --> 00:29:08,876 George went to the set a lot. 399 00:29:08,877 --> 00:29:12,837 I don't think they really wanted him there on set. 400 00:29:12,838 --> 00:29:17,276 But he just loved the fact that there were notable actors 401 00:29:17,277 --> 00:29:19,844 playing him and his wife. 402 00:29:19,845 --> 00:29:21,019 He really enjoyed that. 403 00:29:21,020 --> 00:29:22,890 It was like a big deal, 404 00:29:22,891 --> 00:29:25,414 something totally out of the ordinary 405 00:29:25,415 --> 00:29:27,808 that ever happened to him. 406 00:29:27,809 --> 00:29:30,028 Kathy, I felt at this time, 407 00:29:30,029 --> 00:29:32,030 was just concerned about George. 408 00:29:32,031 --> 00:29:34,075 And if this was gonna make him feel better... 409 00:29:34,076 --> 00:29:36,251 Because he was changing back. 410 00:29:36,252 --> 00:29:40,038 He was becoming more self-confident. 411 00:29:40,039 --> 00:29:43,824 He was happy with the fame, to be part of it. 412 00:29:43,825 --> 00:29:46,044 So that's what he did. 413 00:29:52,399 --> 00:29:54,095 Well, the first thing I've got to ask you is, 414 00:29:54,096 --> 00:29:56,271 do you believe in demonic force? 415 00:29:56,272 --> 00:29:59,493 Um, hmm, good question. 416 00:30:00,973 --> 00:30:02,843 Uh... 417 00:30:02,844 --> 00:30:05,715 Yeah... uh, no, yes. 418 00:30:11,679 --> 00:30:13,201 I sat with George, 419 00:30:13,202 --> 00:30:17,205 and I watched his eyes as I talked to him 420 00:30:17,206 --> 00:30:19,077 and asked him a specific question, 421 00:30:19,078 --> 00:30:21,470 looking for the liar who would stare right at me, 422 00:30:21,471 --> 00:30:23,472 look right at me, and tell me a direct lie. 423 00:30:23,473 --> 00:30:26,084 And as he'd answer a question, I'd watch him think about it. 424 00:30:26,085 --> 00:30:28,477 And as he'd tell me about some of the things, 425 00:30:28,478 --> 00:30:29,870 his voice would begin to quaver a little. 426 00:30:29,871 --> 00:30:32,090 Then he'd try to regain composure. 427 00:30:32,091 --> 00:30:34,701 And I walked away saying, this man believes 428 00:30:34,702 --> 00:30:37,400 that something went wrong back there, you know. 429 00:30:39,968 --> 00:30:42,752 Twenty-eight states in America accept the results 430 00:30:42,753 --> 00:30:44,885 of polygraph tests as legal evidence, 431 00:30:44,886 --> 00:30:47,061 and the polygraph is now used as a matter of course 432 00:30:47,062 --> 00:30:49,934 by the FBI and other government agencies. 433 00:30:49,935 --> 00:30:52,501 Basically, it monitors three things: 434 00:30:52,502 --> 00:30:56,462 cardiac activity, breathing, and sweat. 435 00:31:08,083 --> 00:31:08,954 The movie company was getting ready 436 00:31:08,955 --> 00:31:11,129 to release the movie, 437 00:31:11,130 --> 00:31:15,133 and they wanted to give each of us a polygraph test. 438 00:31:27,450 --> 00:31:28,929 And these are expensive tests. 439 00:31:28,930 --> 00:31:31,062 They were willing to pay for it. 440 00:31:31,063 --> 00:31:32,933 And we said, "Get us the best there is, and we'll do it. 441 00:31:32,934 --> 00:31:34,979 "Otherwise, we're not interested in doing it 442 00:31:34,980 --> 00:31:37,285 with someone that just got out of school." 443 00:31:37,286 --> 00:31:40,375 We were so very pleased to have Chris Gugas come along 444 00:31:40,376 --> 00:31:42,769 and give us a polygraph test 445 00:31:42,770 --> 00:31:45,380 in his office with Michael Rice. 446 00:31:48,776 --> 00:31:50,733 Chris Gugas, he was considered number two man 447 00:31:50,734 --> 00:31:54,172 in the world at the time. 448 00:31:54,173 --> 00:31:56,217 He had taught the use of the polygraph 449 00:31:56,218 --> 00:31:58,089 throughout the world for the armed forces 450 00:31:58,090 --> 00:32:00,569 and for their intelligence people. 451 00:32:00,570 --> 00:32:02,223 He had been instructed personally 452 00:32:02,224 --> 00:32:05,574 by the head guy at the FBI. 453 00:32:05,575 --> 00:32:08,012 Among other things, he was accepted in California courts 454 00:32:08,013 --> 00:32:09,449 as a witness. 455 00:32:10,711 --> 00:32:12,451 It was a long process. 456 00:32:12,452 --> 00:32:15,193 It's not like you walk in, strap on the machine, and go. 457 00:32:15,194 --> 00:32:17,804 You have to agree to the questions. 458 00:32:17,805 --> 00:32:20,546 He had five questions. They have to be yes or no. 459 00:32:20,547 --> 00:32:23,070 And, you know, you get one shot 460 00:32:23,071 --> 00:32:25,246 at doing this thing right. 461 00:32:25,247 --> 00:32:27,946 One of the questions was, did you levitate? 462 00:32:30,035 --> 00:32:33,386 One of the questions was, did Kathy turn into an old woman? 463 00:32:36,302 --> 00:32:38,781 And you answered them all and went sailing 464 00:32:38,782 --> 00:32:40,174 past the polygraph. 465 00:32:40,175 --> 00:32:43,657 Absolutely. We passed the test. 466 00:32:44,745 --> 00:32:46,572 Later, those findings were published 467 00:32:46,573 --> 00:32:50,010 in the National Star of all things. 468 00:32:50,011 --> 00:32:52,578 Well, George, you know, people who are lying 469 00:32:52,579 --> 00:32:55,015 usually don't agree to a polygraph. 470 00:32:55,016 --> 00:32:56,712 That's for damn sure. 471 00:33:17,517 --> 00:33:20,084 Many of the people attending this invitation-only showing 472 00:33:20,085 --> 00:33:22,390 of The Amityville Horror gave it rave reviews. 473 00:33:22,391 --> 00:33:25,263 And you can judge for yourself this weekend. 474 00:33:25,264 --> 00:33:27,091 Last night, there was 475 00:33:27,092 --> 00:33:29,615 a gala sneak preview showing. 476 00:33:29,616 --> 00:33:31,269 This was a private screening 477 00:33:31,270 --> 00:33:32,879 of The Amityville Horror, 478 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,273 based on the best-selling book by Jay Anson. 479 00:33:35,274 --> 00:33:37,057 Anson attended the screening accompanied 480 00:33:37,058 --> 00:33:39,277 by the film's producer and one of the stars 481 00:33:39,278 --> 00:33:41,279 of the picture, James Brolin. 482 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,542 Twenty-eight days after the Lutz family 483 00:33:43,543 --> 00:33:45,109 moved into their dream house, 484 00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:47,241 they were running for their lives. 485 00:33:47,242 --> 00:33:51,115 What happened to them is an experience in terror 486 00:33:51,116 --> 00:33:53,943 you will never forget. 487 00:33:53,944 --> 00:33:57,295 The Amityville Horror, rated R. 488 00:33:57,296 --> 00:33:58,513 Is The Amityville Horror for real? 489 00:33:58,514 --> 00:33:59,645 I don't know, and I'm not planning to go 490 00:33:59,646 --> 00:34:01,125 to Amityville and find out. 491 00:34:01,126 --> 00:34:02,865 What I can say, though, is that the movie 492 00:34:02,866 --> 00:34:04,128 is not very much fun. 493 00:34:04,129 --> 00:34:05,564 Maybe it wasn't meant to be. 494 00:34:05,565 --> 00:34:08,219 Oozing slime is hardly ever entertaining. 495 00:34:08,220 --> 00:34:10,438 But the way the Lutzes are relentlessly persecuted 496 00:34:10,439 --> 00:34:12,875 by their haunted house is finally just repetitive, 497 00:34:12,876 --> 00:34:15,095 boring, gruesome, more than a little depressing. 498 00:34:15,096 --> 00:34:17,706 I was going to say, who would want to see this movie? 499 00:34:17,707 --> 00:34:20,448 But millions of people already have gone to see it. 500 00:34:20,449 --> 00:34:24,104 It's a big hit at the box office. 501 00:34:24,105 --> 00:34:27,151 Horror doesn't have to be good. 502 00:34:27,152 --> 00:34:29,240 Even horror which is critically panned 503 00:34:29,241 --> 00:34:31,546 can be really powerful. 504 00:34:31,547 --> 00:34:33,548 The Amityville Horror sticks in the mind. 505 00:34:33,549 --> 00:34:36,334 And I think that's what's given it its longevity, 506 00:34:36,335 --> 00:34:38,162 not any kind of conception of quality, 507 00:34:38,163 --> 00:34:42,383 but its ability for moments or ideas to kind of resonate 508 00:34:42,384 --> 00:34:46,214 and stick with people for decades. 509 00:34:47,476 --> 00:34:49,477 The great moment where one of the Lutzes' children 510 00:34:49,478 --> 00:34:52,828 ends up with a hand smashed by the sash window, 511 00:34:52,829 --> 00:34:55,135 and they're desperately trying to pull it back in, 512 00:34:55,136 --> 00:34:57,311 but the two men can't lift the window. 513 00:34:57,312 --> 00:35:00,358 The glowing eyes that appear outside the window 514 00:35:00,359 --> 00:35:02,186 on the second floor. 515 00:35:02,187 --> 00:35:04,188 Lots of people mention that as something that they see, 516 00:35:04,189 --> 00:35:06,190 watching the film for the first time, 517 00:35:06,191 --> 00:35:08,627 as being something that really sort of stays with them, 518 00:35:08,628 --> 00:35:10,933 and I think because it speaks to a very deep-seated fear 519 00:35:10,934 --> 00:35:12,413 of, like, you see something out of the corner 520 00:35:12,414 --> 00:35:14,241 of your eye at night. 521 00:35:14,242 --> 00:35:17,288 The oozing staircase and the bleeding wall, 522 00:35:17,289 --> 00:35:19,594 where suddenly it seems like the entire environment 523 00:35:19,595 --> 00:35:22,380 is coming apart at the seams. 524 00:35:22,381 --> 00:35:24,773 Green slime, what was that on the wall in the movie? 525 00:35:24,774 --> 00:35:26,384 George, did that happen? 526 00:35:26,385 --> 00:35:29,038 As the movie did it, not exactly, no. 527 00:35:29,039 --> 00:35:31,780 - Do you believe them? - Do I? 528 00:35:31,781 --> 00:35:34,000 Yeah, when I'm sitting here with them, yes, I do. 529 00:35:34,001 --> 00:35:36,350 It's hard to deny a lot of the facts. 530 00:35:52,672 --> 00:35:54,803 Watching the Lutzes on Good Morning America 531 00:35:54,804 --> 00:35:58,459 really drives home the importance of saying, 532 00:35:58,460 --> 00:36:00,548 "This is based on a true story." 533 00:36:00,549 --> 00:36:02,811 Somebody tells you a scary story about a haunted house, 534 00:36:02,812 --> 00:36:03,899 you go, eh, that's fine. 535 00:36:03,900 --> 00:36:05,379 That's just a scary story. 536 00:36:05,380 --> 00:36:09,427 But someone tells you about it on the morning news, 537 00:36:09,428 --> 00:36:12,299 and the people are right there, and the actor is right there, 538 00:36:12,300 --> 00:36:14,693 you see this collapse of the distinction 539 00:36:14,694 --> 00:36:17,610 between the truth and entertainment. 540 00:36:20,265 --> 00:36:22,657 Rosemary's Baby, 541 00:36:22,658 --> 00:36:26,052 The Exorcist and The Omen 542 00:36:26,053 --> 00:36:28,359 are referred to as the unholy trinity. 543 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,231 All three of these films involving Satanism 544 00:36:31,232 --> 00:36:34,278 and the supernatural and the occult present 545 00:36:34,279 --> 00:36:37,238 an attack on the American family. 546 00:36:39,458 --> 00:36:42,460 In Rosemary's Baby, she's pregnant. 547 00:36:42,461 --> 00:36:43,591 It's a nice, young couple. 548 00:36:43,592 --> 00:36:45,724 They move into a new apartment. 549 00:36:45,725 --> 00:36:48,292 And then they realize that she has no control 550 00:36:48,293 --> 00:36:50,250 over the antichrist spawn 551 00:36:50,251 --> 00:36:52,384 that she is now bringing to bear. 552 00:36:54,299 --> 00:36:58,040 And so this represents the dread of what it means 553 00:36:58,041 --> 00:37:01,740 to be a woman in society, of the loss of control 554 00:37:01,741 --> 00:37:04,046 over your own body and what eventually becomes 555 00:37:04,047 --> 00:37:05,874 of your child. 556 00:37:05,875 --> 00:37:09,356 In The Exorcist, where it's a single-parent household, 557 00:37:09,357 --> 00:37:11,271 and it is an adolescent child, 558 00:37:11,272 --> 00:37:14,143 an adolescent daughter, Regan MacNeil, 559 00:37:14,144 --> 00:37:16,537 going through puberty, 560 00:37:16,538 --> 00:37:18,539 new experiences happening with her body 561 00:37:18,540 --> 00:37:21,455 that is going to rebel against her mother. 562 00:37:21,456 --> 00:37:26,330 At the same time, The Omen that comes out in 1976 563 00:37:26,331 --> 00:37:31,291 is about a young couple that, due to pregnancy mishaps, 564 00:37:31,292 --> 00:37:33,337 have to adopt a child. 565 00:37:33,338 --> 00:37:36,514 Little do they know that it is also the spawn of Satan. 566 00:37:36,515 --> 00:37:38,907 Thus, not only do you need the transcendental authority 567 00:37:38,908 --> 00:37:41,345 of the church, you need some male force, 568 00:37:41,346 --> 00:37:43,347 represented by Catholic patriarchy, 569 00:37:43,348 --> 00:37:46,175 to come in and save the day. 570 00:37:54,054 --> 00:37:55,533 Do you plan to show the movie here? 571 00:37:55,534 --> 00:37:57,404 No, we don't. 572 00:37:57,405 --> 00:38:00,451 We've contemplated every maneuver possible 573 00:38:00,452 --> 00:38:02,322 in the event that things get out of hand, 574 00:38:02,323 --> 00:38:04,455 changing the name of the street, 575 00:38:04,456 --> 00:38:06,326 eliminating parking along the hallway, 576 00:38:06,327 --> 00:38:08,023 making the streets one-way. 577 00:38:08,024 --> 00:38:10,330 We've come up with a plan just to have extra police 578 00:38:10,331 --> 00:38:12,027 down there on a full-time basis 579 00:38:12,028 --> 00:38:13,856 in unmarked cars just to keep traffic moving. 580 00:38:16,946 --> 00:38:19,339 It seems local residents would retitle 581 00:38:19,340 --> 00:38:22,168 The Amityville Horror The Amityville Nuisance 582 00:38:22,169 --> 00:38:23,604 because all it's done is brought a lot 583 00:38:23,605 --> 00:38:26,346 of unwelcome tourists, sightseers, 584 00:38:26,347 --> 00:38:28,566 and a lot of extra traffic to what used 585 00:38:28,567 --> 00:38:30,394 to be a quiet Long Island village. 586 00:38:42,407 --> 00:38:44,059 Why did you come by tonight to look at this house? 587 00:38:44,060 --> 00:38:45,626 To see what it was like. 588 00:38:45,627 --> 00:38:48,630 I guess, we just specifically came from Chicago to see it. 589 00:38:50,676 --> 00:38:52,503 It isn't a house that we want to sell. 590 00:38:52,504 --> 00:38:54,940 It's a house we feel we're being forced to sell 591 00:38:54,941 --> 00:38:58,596 because of The Amityville Horror. 592 00:38:58,597 --> 00:39:00,380 In the two years the Cromarty family 593 00:39:00,381 --> 00:39:02,251 has lived here, they tell us they 594 00:39:02,252 --> 00:39:04,645 have never noticed anything strange or supernatural 595 00:39:04,646 --> 00:39:06,386 taking place. 596 00:39:06,387 --> 00:39:09,607 But we feel now we have to give up. 597 00:39:09,608 --> 00:39:11,391 We need a night's sleep. 598 00:39:11,392 --> 00:39:12,653 That people have nothing better 599 00:39:12,654 --> 00:39:14,438 in the world to do 600 00:39:14,439 --> 00:39:19,007 than to come and gape or do stupid things. 601 00:39:38,463 --> 00:39:39,289 When the film first came out, 602 00:39:39,290 --> 00:39:41,682 I was like ten or so. 603 00:39:41,683 --> 00:39:45,251 We went to go see a movie with the babysitter. 604 00:39:45,252 --> 00:39:48,646 And in a different theater down the hall, 605 00:39:48,647 --> 00:39:51,257 The Amityville Horror was showing. 606 00:39:51,258 --> 00:39:53,651 I told the babysitter I needed to go to the bathroom 607 00:39:53,652 --> 00:39:57,045 and went out 608 00:39:57,046 --> 00:39:59,745 and went inside the other theater. 609 00:40:01,573 --> 00:40:03,487 This is a movie about my family, 610 00:40:03,488 --> 00:40:08,274 and I was seeing this reaction from a crowd 611 00:40:08,275 --> 00:40:10,798 as they're watching the Amityville movie. 612 00:40:10,799 --> 00:40:12,887 And it was just, like, surreal. 613 00:40:17,632 --> 00:40:20,721 And it was like, this is what the world 614 00:40:20,722 --> 00:40:23,898 came to think was my story. 615 00:40:26,815 --> 00:40:29,469 Here I was, a little kid with a New York accent 616 00:40:29,470 --> 00:40:31,819 in a California public school with the same name 617 00:40:31,820 --> 00:40:33,473 as in the movie. 618 00:40:33,474 --> 00:40:36,564 It didn't take long for kids to figure out who I was, so... 619 00:40:40,525 --> 00:40:43,483 I tried to tell them what happened if they asked. 620 00:40:43,484 --> 00:40:45,572 And then it was like, "Well, that's not what 621 00:40:45,573 --> 00:40:48,183 was in the movie. You're a liar." 622 00:40:48,184 --> 00:40:49,489 I was like, what? 623 00:40:54,713 --> 00:40:57,715 And then, at one point, they went on a world tour 624 00:40:57,716 --> 00:40:58,716 talking about it. 625 00:41:12,644 --> 00:41:14,949 The next one is this. This is really strange. 626 00:41:14,950 --> 00:41:16,995 Now, if you look closely at this photograph here, 627 00:41:16,996 --> 00:41:18,562 now, that's... you can't really see it too well here, 628 00:41:18,563 --> 00:41:20,564 but that's a little boy. 629 00:41:20,565 --> 00:41:22,522 And who is he supposed to be? 630 00:41:22,523 --> 00:41:25,090 We don't know who he is actually. 631 00:41:25,091 --> 00:41:26,700 But Missy knows him, our daughter. 632 00:41:26,701 --> 00:41:28,789 When she saw the picture, which was discovered 633 00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:31,226 now two weeks ago, she said, "That's the little boy 634 00:41:31,227 --> 00:41:33,186 I used to always talk to." 635 00:41:36,450 --> 00:41:41,541 They even had put us into a Catholic school. 636 00:41:41,542 --> 00:41:43,544 They dropped us in The Orphanage. 637 00:41:45,938 --> 00:41:47,808 That was a tough thing, man. 638 00:41:47,809 --> 00:41:50,637 You know, the other kids in The Orphanage were like, 639 00:41:50,638 --> 00:41:52,552 "Your parents aren't coming back for you, 640 00:41:52,553 --> 00:41:54,641 just like they left us here too." 641 00:41:54,642 --> 00:41:59,603 You know, it was definitely... 642 00:41:59,604 --> 00:42:00,822 a hard time. 643 00:42:05,305 --> 00:42:08,612 I asked Kathy a couple of times about the children, 644 00:42:08,613 --> 00:42:11,702 and she told me that she was trying 645 00:42:11,703 --> 00:42:14,835 to shelter them from everything 646 00:42:14,836 --> 00:42:17,446 that was going on. 647 00:42:17,447 --> 00:42:22,843 When I look back on it now, I feel for the children. 648 00:42:22,844 --> 00:42:26,151 I didn't think, at that point, they were being sheltered. 649 00:42:26,152 --> 00:42:28,067 It was just too public. 650 00:42:31,853 --> 00:42:33,854 I'm Jackie Stone, 651 00:42:33,855 --> 00:42:36,074 and this is supposedly where it all happened. 652 00:42:36,075 --> 00:42:38,424 The DeFeo, Lutz, or Cromarty house... 653 00:42:38,425 --> 00:42:39,947 Depending on how you look for it... 654 00:42:39,948 --> 00:42:41,688 The site of the Amityville Horror 655 00:42:41,689 --> 00:42:42,821 or the Amityville Hoax. 656 00:42:43,735 --> 00:42:45,649 Do you believe it is a horror or hoax? 657 00:42:45,650 --> 00:42:47,041 It's a hoax. 658 00:42:47,042 --> 00:42:48,477 So you don't believe it at all? 659 00:42:48,478 --> 00:42:50,305 - Not at all. - Definitely a hoax. 660 00:42:50,306 --> 00:42:51,829 Why? 661 00:42:51,830 --> 00:42:54,222 Well, I've been a longtime resident of Amityville, 662 00:42:54,223 --> 00:42:57,399 and there's never any incident of this type 663 00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:58,792 at any time in that home. 664 00:42:58,793 --> 00:43:01,099 I think it was just a moneymaking bracket 665 00:43:01,100 --> 00:43:03,318 that somebody put together with a lot of brains. 666 00:43:03,319 --> 00:43:05,451 You know, they saw a good chance to make a lot of money, 667 00:43:05,452 --> 00:43:07,061 so they put a film together, 668 00:43:07,062 --> 00:43:08,715 and now they're making millions. 669 00:43:08,716 --> 00:43:09,977 Do you believe that all that 670 00:43:09,978 --> 00:43:12,240 - really happened here? - Yeah, I believe it. 671 00:43:12,241 --> 00:43:14,678 I believe. I believe in the devil. 672 00:43:14,679 --> 00:43:17,681 As far as we're concerned, the Amityville hoax 673 00:43:17,682 --> 00:43:19,073 is the real horror. 674 00:43:19,074 --> 00:43:20,814 Whether or not it was a hoax or a horror, 675 00:43:20,815 --> 00:43:22,642 you'll have to decide that for yourself. 676 00:43:26,125 --> 00:43:27,821 People were coming to think 677 00:43:27,822 --> 00:43:30,390 that it was a hoax. 678 00:43:32,740 --> 00:43:34,698 I knew that Mom and George had, like, 679 00:43:34,699 --> 00:43:36,656 given the recordings over to Jay Anson 680 00:43:36,657 --> 00:43:38,659 and that Anson wrote the book. 681 00:43:40,313 --> 00:43:43,489 But I had never heard the tapes. 682 00:43:43,490 --> 00:43:45,709 All I know is that this is what 683 00:43:45,710 --> 00:43:49,103 he went around the world promoting 684 00:43:49,104 --> 00:43:51,193 and thought it was fine. 685 00:43:56,721 --> 00:44:00,288 Like, let me tell you a story about that photo 686 00:44:00,289 --> 00:44:04,292 taken during the Warren investigation. 687 00:44:04,293 --> 00:44:07,687 That photo has circulated all around the world 688 00:44:07,688 --> 00:44:10,168 and all over the internet now. 689 00:44:10,169 --> 00:44:12,039 But here's the thing. 690 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,738 You'll notice that head that's sticking out 691 00:44:14,739 --> 00:44:17,958 of that doorway... Attached to that head, 692 00:44:17,959 --> 00:44:19,917 it's a plaid shirt. 693 00:44:19,918 --> 00:44:23,964 And it's consistent with the same shirt as the photographer 694 00:44:23,965 --> 00:44:25,705 that's taking these photos. 695 00:44:29,405 --> 00:44:32,582 And so it's not some spirit. 696 00:44:34,584 --> 00:44:37,717 It's the picture of the photographer. 697 00:44:47,249 --> 00:44:50,599 I never liked that he felt that it was fine 698 00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,777 to add fiction to it. 699 00:44:53,778 --> 00:44:56,954 It really pissed me off. 700 00:45:00,219 --> 00:45:03,961 Because there's enough to the story 701 00:45:03,962 --> 00:45:06,224 that anybody that has a real sense 702 00:45:06,225 --> 00:45:10,794 of what paranormal activity is, 703 00:45:10,795 --> 00:45:13,013 there's enough here. 704 00:45:13,014 --> 00:45:14,973 There's no need to pepper it with any bullshit. 705 00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:21,239 Is this fact or fiction? 706 00:45:21,240 --> 00:45:24,024 Fiction, absolutely. 707 00:45:24,025 --> 00:45:25,809 So this story evolved over dinner with the Lutzes 708 00:45:25,810 --> 00:45:27,071 and a bottle of wine. 709 00:45:27,072 --> 00:45:29,900 I think it was about three bottles of wine. 710 00:45:29,901 --> 00:45:32,032 Yes, about three bottles of wine. 711 00:45:32,033 --> 00:45:34,774 So the story grew with each bottle of wine. 712 00:45:34,775 --> 00:45:36,385 Each bottle became a better story. 713 00:45:37,996 --> 00:45:40,780 I told them there were flies found 714 00:45:40,781 --> 00:45:42,826 in the house where the body of the older sister 715 00:45:42,827 --> 00:45:44,784 was discovered. 716 00:45:44,785 --> 00:45:48,833 From those flies, they created a complete supernatural scene. 717 00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:54,663 And there was a greenish-black substance 718 00:45:54,664 --> 00:45:57,057 around many of the doorknobs. 719 00:45:57,058 --> 00:45:59,887 They were the result of fingerprint powders. 720 00:46:02,063 --> 00:46:04,282 So we took real-life incidences, 721 00:46:04,283 --> 00:46:06,893 and then we transposed them. 722 00:46:06,894 --> 00:46:09,026 Green slime was actually spaghetti 723 00:46:09,027 --> 00:46:12,377 that had been splashed on the wall at a time 724 00:46:12,378 --> 00:46:16,511 when Mr. DeFeo supposedly had hit his wife in the kitchen 725 00:46:16,512 --> 00:46:19,384 while she was carrying a plate of spaghetti. 726 00:46:19,385 --> 00:46:21,821 There were times when one of the DeFeo 727 00:46:21,822 --> 00:46:25,825 or a neighbor's kitten would jump on Dawn's window. 728 00:46:25,826 --> 00:46:27,958 And just taking that little incident, 729 00:46:27,959 --> 00:46:34,094 we developed it into a pig appearing at the window. 730 00:46:34,095 --> 00:46:36,096 We could sit here for three weeks. 731 00:46:36,097 --> 00:46:38,969 And I'll keep telling you each time, it's a fraud. 732 00:46:40,972 --> 00:46:48,370 >>>>oakislandtk<<<<< www.opensubtitles.org 732 00:46:49,305 --> 00:47:49,797 Please rate this subtitle at www.osdb.link/cvuts Help other users to choose the best subtitles 58197

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