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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,006 --> 00:00:07,632 [ambient music playing] 2 00:00:07,716 --> 00:00:10,135 [news anchor] At night, the brightest reflection in the skies 3 00:00:10,218 --> 00:00:14,139 over New York comes from the area around Times Square and Broadway. 4 00:00:14,222 --> 00:00:16,516 [news anchor 2] Thousands of pleasure-seekers, like moths, 5 00:00:16,599 --> 00:00:17,892 are lured to its light. 6 00:00:17,976 --> 00:00:20,478 [news anchor 3] These sights and sounds are only a part 7 00:00:20,562 --> 00:00:23,898 of one of the most astonishing and complicated areas in the world. 8 00:00:25,442 --> 00:00:26,901 [upbeat music playing] 9 00:00:26,985 --> 00:00:29,404 [man] The whole world is attracted to Times Square. 10 00:00:29,904 --> 00:00:32,866 They're entranced and a little bit drunk off all the lights 11 00:00:32,949 --> 00:00:34,909 and all of the show business. 12 00:00:35,535 --> 00:00:40,290 But tourists don't know what was there 45 years ago. 13 00:00:44,586 --> 00:00:46,504 In the late '70s, 14 00:00:46,588 --> 00:00:49,257 Times Square was considered an atrocity. 15 00:00:51,009 --> 00:00:54,971 [woman] Times Square was a very sexually-charged atmosphere. 16 00:00:55,930 --> 00:00:58,641 The whole scene was something to see 17 00:00:58,725 --> 00:01:01,394 because it was, like, out of Dante's Inferno. 18 00:01:02,645 --> 00:01:04,230 [sirens wailing] 19 00:01:04,314 --> 00:01:09,360 There were guys walking around out there that were pure predators. 20 00:01:10,320 --> 00:01:13,782 [man] The fear behind that was palpable. 21 00:01:13,865 --> 00:01:14,991 You could feel it. 22 00:01:17,577 --> 00:01:18,995 It's not easy to find a newscast 23 00:01:19,079 --> 00:01:21,372 with no reference to violence and murder these days, 24 00:01:21,456 --> 00:01:23,750 but this week got off to an unusually violent start 25 00:01:23,833 --> 00:01:25,126 right here in Midtown Manhattan. 26 00:01:27,879 --> 00:01:33,593 [man] I was in the 10th Precinct in Manhattan covering Times Square, 27 00:01:33,676 --> 00:01:36,054 just, uh, a uniform cop on patrol. 28 00:01:39,099 --> 00:01:41,351 This was December of '79, 29 00:01:41,434 --> 00:01:44,395 and we're stopped at a light at 42nd Street 30 00:01:45,396 --> 00:01:51,486 when we saw fire trucks parked in front of the Travel Inn hotel. 31 00:01:52,195 --> 00:01:53,738 [tense music playing] 32 00:01:55,115 --> 00:01:56,324 [indistinct chattering] 33 00:01:59,202 --> 00:02:00,620 [man] When we pulled up, 34 00:02:01,246 --> 00:02:03,123 they excitedly said, 35 00:02:03,623 --> 00:02:05,583 "You better go up to the fourth floor." 36 00:02:07,418 --> 00:02:08,962 [sirens wailing] 37 00:02:13,049 --> 00:02:16,052 [man] There was a fire in room 417. 38 00:02:17,512 --> 00:02:22,976 Rescue Company 1 was told that there were likely guests inside the room. 39 00:02:24,561 --> 00:02:27,939 So you had the smell from burning flesh, 40 00:02:28,022 --> 00:02:30,316 and the smoke was thick. 41 00:02:32,152 --> 00:02:35,530 They crawled into the room, not being able to see. 42 00:02:37,866 --> 00:02:39,868 [fire crackling] 43 00:02:39,951 --> 00:02:44,831 [man] They made out the shape of bodies on the twin beds. 44 00:02:44,914 --> 00:02:46,916 [muffled chattering] 45 00:02:48,084 --> 00:02:52,213 One of the firemen went to give CPR... 46 00:02:56,885 --> 00:02:59,846 but she had no head or hands. 47 00:03:01,222 --> 00:03:04,267 Knocked him back against the wall, naturally. 48 00:03:05,435 --> 00:03:08,813 The sergeant turned to me, and he said, 49 00:03:09,898 --> 00:03:12,066 "A real sick bastard did this." 50 00:03:12,150 --> 00:03:14,152 [tense music playing] 51 00:03:17,614 --> 00:03:20,158 [sinister music playing] 52 00:03:36,299 --> 00:03:38,301 [fire truck sirens wailing] 53 00:03:40,970 --> 00:03:43,473 [fire truck horn blaring] 54 00:03:44,515 --> 00:03:48,228 [news anchor] Firemen were first to arrive at the scene at about 9:30 this morning. 55 00:03:49,437 --> 00:03:52,941 They were responding to a report of a fire in a West Side hotel room. 56 00:03:54,525 --> 00:03:56,903 They found much more than they had anticipated. 57 00:03:57,987 --> 00:04:00,990 Two women were found decapitated, their hands cut off as well. 58 00:04:03,785 --> 00:04:06,746 [female reporter] Did it seem that the women had been killed recently 59 00:04:06,829 --> 00:04:08,122 when you arrived? 60 00:04:08,206 --> 00:04:10,291 I would say so, yeah, within a couple hours. 61 00:04:10,375 --> 00:04:12,895 [female reporter] It seems the suspect tried to cover his tracks 62 00:04:12,919 --> 00:04:14,754 by setting the two beds on fire. 63 00:04:14,837 --> 00:04:16,881 Two separate fires, two separate mattresses, 64 00:04:16,965 --> 00:04:18,049 two separate beds. 65 00:04:18,132 --> 00:04:19,132 For how long? 66 00:04:19,759 --> 00:04:21,010 Five minutes, tops. 67 00:04:22,971 --> 00:04:23,971 [knocking on door] 68 00:04:30,270 --> 00:04:34,274 [man] I spent 31 and a half years with the New York City Police Department. 69 00:04:38,653 --> 00:04:40,780 You wouldn't believe the things I've seen. 70 00:04:42,907 --> 00:04:45,285 And for something to stand out, 71 00:04:45,368 --> 00:04:50,331 it's gotta be really bad. It has to be absolutely horrifying to stand out. 72 00:04:50,415 --> 00:04:51,874 And this case did stand out. 73 00:04:54,419 --> 00:04:57,714 It was pretty much the hotel room from hell. 74 00:05:01,759 --> 00:05:05,680 [man 2] I saw the headlines before I got the information from the NYPD, 75 00:05:05,763 --> 00:05:08,141 and the case immediately intrigued me. 76 00:05:10,101 --> 00:05:13,396 I'm a homicide and forensic expert and consultant. 77 00:05:13,479 --> 00:05:15,565 I'm the former commander of Bronx Homicide. 78 00:05:17,692 --> 00:05:19,485 At the time, I called up Jerry McQueen, 79 00:05:19,569 --> 00:05:22,864 who was the detective sergeant who was in charge of the investigation, 80 00:05:22,947 --> 00:05:25,366 and he basically filled me in what they had. 81 00:05:26,242 --> 00:05:28,286 [indistinct radio police chatter] 82 00:05:29,037 --> 00:05:31,914 [Geberth] The immediate problem for the investigators was... 83 00:05:33,916 --> 00:05:35,710 "Who are these victims?" 84 00:05:36,461 --> 00:05:38,463 [projector whirring] 85 00:05:40,048 --> 00:05:41,841 The first thing you look for is fingerprints, 86 00:05:41,924 --> 00:05:45,053 but in this case, you were deprived of fingerprints 'cause there's no hands. 87 00:05:46,471 --> 00:05:50,058 Our first inclination is that he wants to prevent identification. 88 00:05:50,141 --> 00:05:52,060 That's why the heads and hands are gone. 89 00:05:52,977 --> 00:05:54,228 We had nothing else. 90 00:05:54,312 --> 00:05:56,939 No wallet, no ID, no identification cards. 91 00:05:57,982 --> 00:06:00,276 And don't forget, it's... it's 1979. 92 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,404 We don't have all this video surveillance that we have today, okay? 93 00:06:03,488 --> 00:06:05,073 We don't have DNA technology. 94 00:06:05,156 --> 00:06:08,326 It won't... DNA technology won't come up for another seven years. 95 00:06:09,035 --> 00:06:10,203 Very frustrating. 96 00:06:11,037 --> 00:06:13,206 [ominous music playing] 97 00:06:13,289 --> 00:06:19,128 [man] The firemen said that they felt it was a poorly conceived fire, 98 00:06:19,212 --> 00:06:24,175 more likely to draw attention to the room 99 00:06:24,258 --> 00:06:26,427 than it was to do any damage. 100 00:06:27,095 --> 00:06:29,764 In fact, one detective said to me 101 00:06:29,847 --> 00:06:32,183 it was the cleanest crime scene he's ever seen. 102 00:06:32,850 --> 00:06:35,228 It was totally devoid of evidence. 103 00:06:37,021 --> 00:06:41,734 [Reiman] Spatter, gore, puddles, fingerprints, there was nothing. 104 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,654 How... how can you behead two women, 105 00:06:44,737 --> 00:06:47,073 chop off the... the hands of two women, 106 00:06:47,156 --> 00:06:50,743 and not have gore from one end to the other? 107 00:06:52,453 --> 00:06:56,541 [Riegel] I did see the clothing from the victims 108 00:06:56,624 --> 00:07:00,336 was piled neatly in the bathtub. 109 00:07:02,296 --> 00:07:04,549 You know, it seemed strange to me at the time. 110 00:07:06,551 --> 00:07:08,987 [female reporter] This killer went to great lengths to destroy 111 00:07:09,011 --> 00:07:10,346 the women's identities. 112 00:07:10,430 --> 00:07:13,141 So why would he leave behind the women's clothing? 113 00:07:13,224 --> 00:07:16,227 Possibly they were his gimmicks, planted there, 114 00:07:16,310 --> 00:07:18,646 like the little fire he started Sunday. 115 00:07:20,231 --> 00:07:22,275 [man] One of the maids from the fourth floor, 116 00:07:22,358 --> 00:07:26,279 uh, discovered smoke coming from under the door 117 00:07:26,988 --> 00:07:31,742 and, uh, trying to open the door to, uh, get in there. 118 00:07:31,826 --> 00:07:34,245 [female reporter] Had anybody heard any kind of a struggle? 119 00:07:34,328 --> 00:07:35,830 Any noise in that room? 120 00:07:35,913 --> 00:07:39,292 It was don't disturb. Don't disturb. That's all. 121 00:07:41,043 --> 00:07:43,880 The don't disturb sign, was that up all along? 122 00:07:45,131 --> 00:07:46,131 Yes. 123 00:07:50,428 --> 00:07:51,596 [bell ringing] 124 00:07:52,180 --> 00:07:56,100 [Geberth] The offender came in on November 29th into that hotel, 125 00:07:56,726 --> 00:07:59,145 and he did not leave till December 2nd. 126 00:08:00,938 --> 00:08:02,523 A period of three days. 127 00:08:04,609 --> 00:08:07,570 He very cleverly signed in as a Carl Wilson 128 00:08:07,653 --> 00:08:09,530 from Maryland, New Jersey, 129 00:08:10,907 --> 00:08:12,283 which was a fake name. 130 00:08:13,326 --> 00:08:16,287 The only time he was seen was at registration. 131 00:08:17,413 --> 00:08:19,207 [suspenseful music playing] 132 00:08:21,292 --> 00:08:26,464 [Riegel] A woman stood behind him as the subject was registering. 133 00:08:27,798 --> 00:08:30,426 He was alone. She was alone. 134 00:08:32,595 --> 00:08:35,223 But for whatever reason, she paid attention... 135 00:08:37,683 --> 00:08:40,978 and they drew a composite from her description. 136 00:08:44,649 --> 00:08:47,419 [female reporter] This is the sketch of the man wanted for questioning. 137 00:08:47,443 --> 00:08:51,113 He's white, 35 years old, about 5'10" tall, 138 00:08:51,197 --> 00:08:53,741 and weighing 175 pounds. 139 00:08:53,824 --> 00:08:56,369 They say he has brown hair, which is blow-dried. 140 00:08:56,452 --> 00:09:00,998 By that, they told me they mean this man is very meticulous about his appearance. 141 00:09:02,833 --> 00:09:05,962 [Reiman] In a case like this, the police have an uphill battle 142 00:09:06,045 --> 00:09:09,757 because of the location down in Times Square. 143 00:09:11,842 --> 00:09:16,681 Back then, it was rampant crime of every description going on 144 00:09:17,390 --> 00:09:20,851 on every block, on every corner, in every alleyway. 145 00:09:21,435 --> 00:09:22,603 [sirens wailing] 146 00:09:22,687 --> 00:09:26,566 [Reiman] This was a place where someone could go unnoticed. 147 00:09:28,734 --> 00:09:32,989 When you're looking for a killer in 1970s Times Square, 148 00:09:34,156 --> 00:09:37,577 you're looking for a needle in a haystack. 149 00:09:39,161 --> 00:09:40,538 [horns honking] 150 00:09:42,832 --> 00:09:46,752 There was more of a crowd in Times Square than anywhere else in the city. 151 00:09:50,631 --> 00:09:52,008 There were tourists, 152 00:09:53,134 --> 00:09:54,802 countless businessmen... 153 00:09:55,303 --> 00:09:57,783 Yes, sir, what can I do for you, buddy? What do you need today? 154 00:09:57,847 --> 00:10:00,558 ...hustlers and three-card monte guys. 155 00:10:01,058 --> 00:10:03,352 Guys right out of Rikers Island. 156 00:10:05,104 --> 00:10:05,938 [horn blaring] 157 00:10:06,022 --> 00:10:08,649 [man] When you have the entire world passing through, 158 00:10:09,817 --> 00:10:11,569 anybody could be in there. 159 00:10:14,322 --> 00:10:15,573 It's a hustle and bustle 160 00:10:15,656 --> 00:10:18,659 that's unparalleled anywhere else in this country. 161 00:10:21,454 --> 00:10:24,040 [man] I spent my entire twenties 162 00:10:24,123 --> 00:10:26,876 in the 1970s and '80s in Times Square. 163 00:10:27,668 --> 00:10:31,589 I was a writer covering the neighborhood for men's magazines. 164 00:10:32,632 --> 00:10:35,926 There's probably no "official" official designation 165 00:10:36,010 --> 00:10:39,138 of exactly to the foot which makes up Times Square... 166 00:10:39,221 --> 00:10:40,389 [upbeat music playing] 167 00:10:40,473 --> 00:10:45,645 ...but because it's in my blood, and I've spent so many years there 168 00:10:46,896 --> 00:10:49,940 between 42nd Street and 50th Street, 169 00:10:51,108 --> 00:10:54,070 between 8th Avenue and 6th Avenue. 170 00:10:54,987 --> 00:10:56,489 Those 13 blocks, 171 00:10:56,572 --> 00:10:59,450 that's my definition of Times Square. 172 00:11:02,078 --> 00:11:04,413 [man 2] "The Deuce" was a nickname at the time. 173 00:11:04,497 --> 00:11:07,583 It really referred to 42nd Street itself, 174 00:11:07,667 --> 00:11:11,921 particularly between 7th and 8th Avenue, which is really the heart of Times Square. 175 00:11:13,506 --> 00:11:18,344 At its peak, it was a meeting place. It was a place of entertainment. 176 00:11:18,427 --> 00:11:21,305 It was part of the central business district. 177 00:11:21,806 --> 00:11:24,725 Almost all subway lines come to Times Square. 178 00:11:25,351 --> 00:11:28,688 The Port Authority Bus Terminal brings people from New Jersey 179 00:11:28,771 --> 00:11:30,690 but also people from around the country. 180 00:11:31,857 --> 00:11:34,193 [man 3] For me, it's always been a destination. 181 00:11:35,069 --> 00:11:37,363 I remember coming here and seeing 182 00:11:37,446 --> 00:11:39,657 the Camel ad where the guy blows smoke rings. 183 00:11:41,325 --> 00:11:42,702 That was so cool. 184 00:11:42,785 --> 00:11:46,539 I mean, anything else paled in comparison to that. 185 00:11:48,207 --> 00:11:52,545 [woman] There were Broadway shows, and theaters were bustling, 186 00:11:53,129 --> 00:11:56,507 and it was like an element of being in the Wild West. 187 00:11:56,590 --> 00:11:58,926 You know, where you didn't know what was gonna happen, 188 00:11:59,009 --> 00:12:01,595 and you were going there because you wanted to have an adventure. 189 00:12:03,055 --> 00:12:05,975 [man] Times Square 42nd Street was a collecting point... 190 00:12:07,977 --> 00:12:11,313 for all sorts of people. It was like a... like a drain, you know? 191 00:12:11,397 --> 00:12:12,857 Everything came there. 192 00:12:12,940 --> 00:12:15,067 [tense music playing] 193 00:12:18,279 --> 00:12:21,198 [woman] You have those who are the denizens of the Deuce, 194 00:12:21,282 --> 00:12:23,576 who have lived there, they worked there, 195 00:12:23,659 --> 00:12:25,077 they partied there. 196 00:12:28,873 --> 00:12:32,960 But you have all these newcomers who did not learn to be street-smart. 197 00:12:34,378 --> 00:12:37,882 And if you are not used to being in a place 198 00:12:37,965 --> 00:12:40,676 where there are so many people bumping up against you, 199 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:42,470 so many lights, loud music, 200 00:12:42,553 --> 00:12:44,221 everything else, 201 00:12:44,305 --> 00:12:46,891 it's easy to become a victim 202 00:12:46,974 --> 00:12:49,769 because there were bad people out there. 203 00:12:49,852 --> 00:12:52,396 [sirens wailing] 204 00:12:58,277 --> 00:13:00,917 [news anchor] For the past two weeks, we've told you about the hunt 205 00:13:00,946 --> 00:13:04,366 for whoever murdered and decapitated two women in the Times Square hotel. 206 00:13:04,450 --> 00:13:07,244 Authorities are asking anyone with information about this man 207 00:13:07,328 --> 00:13:08,829 to call a special number. 208 00:13:12,458 --> 00:13:16,587 [Geberth] The media put out a composite sketch of a potential suspect, 209 00:13:18,255 --> 00:13:21,717 but at the time, that sketch didn't help the investigation. 210 00:13:23,677 --> 00:13:25,304 Because nobody came forward. 211 00:13:25,888 --> 00:13:26,888 Very frustrating. 212 00:13:28,724 --> 00:13:31,444 [female reporter] Police have had to resort to the barest of evidence 213 00:13:31,519 --> 00:13:34,313 as a means of tracking down the victims' identities. 214 00:13:34,897 --> 00:13:36,440 Over at the 20th Precinct, 215 00:13:36,524 --> 00:13:39,401 we saw the sorry remains of the two young women. 216 00:13:39,485 --> 00:13:42,571 A pair of Bonjour jeans size 7/8, 217 00:13:42,655 --> 00:13:45,199 a pair of patent leather boots, a red sweater, 218 00:13:45,282 --> 00:13:47,910 a black fur jacket waist-length, 219 00:13:47,993 --> 00:13:49,662 a pair of white leotards, 220 00:13:49,745 --> 00:13:51,997 and a pair of black high-heeled shoes. 221 00:13:53,791 --> 00:13:55,793 [phone ringing in distance] 222 00:13:57,795 --> 00:14:00,714 [Geberth] Now, in order to try to identify the victims, 223 00:14:00,798 --> 00:14:04,468 the investigators came up with the idea of why don't we take these clothes 224 00:14:04,552 --> 00:14:06,929 that had been left behind in the hotel room 225 00:14:07,012 --> 00:14:09,557 and see if we get some feedback from the general public? 226 00:14:10,933 --> 00:14:12,268 One of the detectives said, 227 00:14:12,351 --> 00:14:15,062 "Listen, in Midtown, we have all these department stores." 228 00:14:16,939 --> 00:14:20,317 "Why don't we get mannequins from the department store 229 00:14:20,401 --> 00:14:22,528 and dress the mannequin in the clothing 230 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:28,367 to see if anyone could identify these gals based on the clothing?" 231 00:14:29,076 --> 00:14:31,972 [female reporter] Police tell us they'll call a press conference tomorrow. 232 00:14:31,996 --> 00:14:34,039 The purpose is to dress up some mannequins 233 00:14:34,123 --> 00:14:36,458 with the same clothes they showed us last week. 234 00:14:36,542 --> 00:14:38,544 [tense music playing] 235 00:14:42,172 --> 00:14:43,299 [shutter clicking] 236 00:14:43,382 --> 00:14:45,634 [Geberth] So the mannequins were dressed, 237 00:14:46,343 --> 00:14:47,469 photographed, 238 00:14:49,179 --> 00:14:51,599 and circulars went up all over the place. 239 00:14:53,100 --> 00:14:56,270 They were in the newspaper. They were on television. 240 00:14:56,854 --> 00:14:58,772 They were at 42nd Street. 241 00:14:59,356 --> 00:15:00,983 They were on light poles. 242 00:15:02,484 --> 00:15:06,030 Wherever you could stick a poster with that, they were there. 243 00:15:06,530 --> 00:15:08,616 [reporter] If you recognize the victim's clothing, 244 00:15:08,699 --> 00:15:11,285 or if you have any information that might help the police, 245 00:15:11,368 --> 00:15:14,038 the number to call is 477-74... 246 00:15:14,121 --> 00:15:16,123 [voice distorts] 247 00:15:21,754 --> 00:15:22,838 [typewriter clacking] 248 00:15:22,922 --> 00:15:24,256 [indistinct chattering] 249 00:15:25,174 --> 00:15:27,051 [man] In 1979, 250 00:15:27,927 --> 00:15:29,678 I was a crime reporter. 251 00:15:29,762 --> 00:15:31,764 [suspenseful music playing] 252 00:15:33,807 --> 00:15:35,017 [man] I had covered crime, 253 00:15:35,768 --> 00:15:38,062 but I had never covered crime 254 00:15:38,145 --> 00:15:40,356 as salacious and as evil 255 00:15:40,439 --> 00:15:42,149 and as, uh... 256 00:15:42,232 --> 00:15:43,400 brutal, really. 257 00:15:44,693 --> 00:15:47,696 I got to know the detectives on this case 258 00:15:48,697 --> 00:15:51,241 and took a lot of interest in what they were doing. 259 00:15:51,742 --> 00:15:52,785 [phone ringing] 260 00:15:53,494 --> 00:15:58,332 [Rod] And finally, they were given a tip about one of the victims. 261 00:15:58,832 --> 00:16:00,542 [phone ringing] 262 00:16:02,795 --> 00:16:05,464 [woman] A woman named Rose called the police 263 00:16:06,757 --> 00:16:11,929 and said, "I recognize the outfit that you have put on the television 264 00:16:12,012 --> 00:16:14,765 in regards to this woman." 265 00:16:14,848 --> 00:16:16,850 "These were my friend's clothes." 266 00:16:18,268 --> 00:16:21,605 She said it was the outfit and shoes 267 00:16:22,272 --> 00:16:24,400 her friend left the house in. 268 00:16:26,568 --> 00:16:29,655 Although police apparently aren't close to making any arrests, 269 00:16:29,738 --> 00:16:31,281 they had a major break today 270 00:16:31,365 --> 00:16:33,659 when they managed to identify one of the victims. 271 00:16:34,535 --> 00:16:36,596 [reporter] Police called on the public for assistance 272 00:16:36,620 --> 00:16:38,455 and received numerous phone calls. 273 00:16:39,206 --> 00:16:42,793 One of these calls was part of the process which led to identification. 274 00:16:42,876 --> 00:16:44,294 Medical records were checked, 275 00:16:44,378 --> 00:16:47,089 and identification came from distinguishing characteristics 276 00:16:47,172 --> 00:16:49,508 of certain bones and scars on the body. 277 00:16:50,134 --> 00:16:51,927 If you feel the back of your neck, 278 00:16:52,011 --> 00:16:56,056 uh, there are bony prominences that can be noted, 279 00:16:56,140 --> 00:16:59,476 and those had a very characteristic, uh, shape. 280 00:17:00,060 --> 00:17:03,355 It's on that basis that the identification was made. 281 00:17:05,441 --> 00:17:08,277 [dramatic music builds up, ends] 282 00:17:10,612 --> 00:17:12,698 One of the victims from the Travel Inn 283 00:17:12,781 --> 00:17:15,826 was identified as Deedeh Goodarzi, 284 00:17:15,909 --> 00:17:19,413 who... was my birth mother. 285 00:17:20,247 --> 00:17:22,249 [tense music playing] 286 00:17:23,500 --> 00:17:26,253 [woman] I was adopted... 287 00:17:28,756 --> 00:17:30,090 at ten weeks. 288 00:17:31,550 --> 00:17:32,968 When I was a child, 289 00:17:33,052 --> 00:17:36,180 being adopted was difficult for me to understand. 290 00:17:37,014 --> 00:17:40,893 I was an unknown. I don't know where I came from. 291 00:17:42,019 --> 00:17:44,772 I wanted to find my biological mother. 292 00:17:49,860 --> 00:17:52,237 When I turned 26, 293 00:17:52,321 --> 00:17:54,656 I found the orphanage that I came from. 294 00:17:55,449 --> 00:17:58,202 And they said, "We would love it if you came to see us." 295 00:17:58,285 --> 00:18:02,081 "We have a file for you to look through." 296 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:09,588 I was expecting a Lifetime movie 297 00:18:09,671 --> 00:18:14,802 where I would get to meet, possibly, the woman who gave birth to me. 298 00:18:17,387 --> 00:18:18,722 But they gave me 299 00:18:20,015 --> 00:18:24,937 these terrible newspaper articles about how she was killed. 300 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:34,321 There was a gorgeous picture of my mother. [chokes up] 301 00:18:35,948 --> 00:18:36,948 So... 302 00:18:39,827 --> 00:18:43,664 half of me is so excited to see my mother's face, 303 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:46,375 and then feeling angry... 304 00:18:46,458 --> 00:18:47,376 [inhales deeply] 305 00:18:47,459 --> 00:18:52,673 ...because her life was taken in such a horrific manner. 306 00:18:54,049 --> 00:18:56,301 It's just, uh, inconceivable. 307 00:19:02,349 --> 00:19:06,854 [Jennifer] Deedeh's life started in Iran. 308 00:19:06,937 --> 00:19:08,939 [somber music playing] 309 00:19:09,523 --> 00:19:15,279 She came to America when she was around eight or nine, and she 310 00:19:15,362 --> 00:19:18,365 went to Holy Family School in Brooklyn, 311 00:19:18,448 --> 00:19:21,160 but she never finished high school. 312 00:19:22,578 --> 00:19:24,663 She had run away a couple times. 313 00:19:26,957 --> 00:19:31,336 When she became a young adult, she moved to Trenton, New Jersey, 314 00:19:31,420 --> 00:19:33,338 and I came to find out 315 00:19:33,422 --> 00:19:37,176 that she would take the train on the weekends to New York City... 316 00:19:38,844 --> 00:19:39,844 [inhales deeply] 317 00:19:39,887 --> 00:19:42,931 ...and she was a sex worker there. 318 00:19:46,935 --> 00:19:50,814 [Jennifer] Deedeh was considered a high-priced escort. 319 00:19:51,648 --> 00:19:56,695 She was working in bars, working at massage parlors. 320 00:19:57,613 --> 00:20:03,660 She was the type of sex worker that only had a couple clients in one day. 321 00:20:07,706 --> 00:20:09,958 The last time anyone but her killer saw her alive 322 00:20:10,042 --> 00:20:12,669 was when she was in Trenton getting on a train for New York 323 00:20:12,753 --> 00:20:14,630 just two days before she was found murdered. 324 00:20:14,713 --> 00:20:18,175 [female reporter] Police are still looking for information about the other victim. 325 00:20:18,258 --> 00:20:21,303 Is it your impression that these two women might have worked together? 326 00:20:21,386 --> 00:20:24,473 I feel that she did, uh, meet with the unidentified girl 327 00:20:24,556 --> 00:20:26,016 here in the New York City area. 328 00:20:28,185 --> 00:20:29,728 [man] It's still a mystery 329 00:20:29,811 --> 00:20:34,024 how Deedeh Goodarzi ended up in that room with the other girl. 330 00:20:35,108 --> 00:20:38,737 The other girl we know nothing about. Not a thing. 331 00:20:40,530 --> 00:20:42,241 [Reiman] She remained a Jane Doe. 332 00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:46,578 But based on Deedeh being a prostitute, 333 00:20:46,662 --> 00:20:51,083 these detectives thought the other victim was likely a prostitute as well. 334 00:20:53,001 --> 00:20:54,127 [projector whirring] 335 00:20:58,799 --> 00:21:02,219 [Rod] The area of Times Square near the Travel Inn 336 00:21:03,762 --> 00:21:06,390 had become known for sex workers... 337 00:21:09,601 --> 00:21:11,770 who worked the streets, 338 00:21:11,853 --> 00:21:14,356 who worked the hotels, who worked the bars. 339 00:21:15,315 --> 00:21:17,901 [Josh] Times Square was thick with prostitution. 340 00:21:17,985 --> 00:21:22,281 I mean, there were upwards of 1,200 prostitutes a night. 341 00:21:24,992 --> 00:21:27,494 [Dr. Chateauvert] There were women and men working. 342 00:21:27,577 --> 00:21:30,163 There might be trans women on one block. 343 00:21:30,247 --> 00:21:32,833 There might be gay hustlers on another. 344 00:21:34,626 --> 00:21:40,424 In the late 1970s, the operative term for being a sex worker 345 00:21:40,507 --> 00:21:41,883 was "prostitute." 346 00:21:43,343 --> 00:21:45,387 The problem with using the word "prostitute" 347 00:21:45,470 --> 00:21:49,599 is it is so combined with the notion of sexual shame. 348 00:21:49,683 --> 00:21:53,478 She's nothing but a slut. She's a prostitute. She's a whore. 349 00:21:54,062 --> 00:21:57,065 All of those terms would later be challenged, 350 00:21:58,025 --> 00:22:00,569 and they coined the term "sex worker." 351 00:22:01,069 --> 00:22:03,447 [tense music playing] 352 00:22:04,031 --> 00:22:07,284 [Reiman] In the 1970s, Times Square became 353 00:22:07,367 --> 00:22:10,662 a sort of epicenter for the sex trade. 354 00:22:12,039 --> 00:22:13,957 It was a sex carnival. 355 00:22:15,250 --> 00:22:19,546 Times Square offered what you couldn't find anywhere else. 356 00:22:21,131 --> 00:22:24,259 [woman] One silver dollar, we'll make you cum, cum, cum. 357 00:22:25,093 --> 00:22:30,057 [Reiman] It was a place where you could fulfill forbidden fantasies 358 00:22:30,140 --> 00:22:32,225 in all sorts of different ways. 359 00:22:33,352 --> 00:22:36,772 [Veronica] There were the book stores, the peep shows, 360 00:22:37,522 --> 00:22:38,899 burlesque clubs, 361 00:22:39,608 --> 00:22:41,193 and the sex emporiums, 362 00:22:41,276 --> 00:22:43,987 with barkers whose main cry was, 363 00:22:44,071 --> 00:22:46,615 "Wall-to-wall pussy." 364 00:22:46,698 --> 00:22:48,867 [chuckles] That was one of the favorite cries. 365 00:22:49,785 --> 00:22:52,287 [woman] Work my body, baby. Ah, yeah. 366 00:22:52,371 --> 00:22:55,207 There was the illusion that, yes, anything goes, 367 00:22:55,290 --> 00:22:57,709 because that is what brings people in. 368 00:22:58,210 --> 00:23:02,506 [man] People in this country want to see sex. 369 00:23:02,589 --> 00:23:04,469 You know, it's like a Chinese proverb that says, 370 00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:07,386 you know, "That which is the least obtainable is the most desired." 371 00:23:07,469 --> 00:23:09,697 "That which is the most obtainable is the least desired." 372 00:23:09,721 --> 00:23:11,681 [interviewer] Nothing as sweet as a stolen cookie. 373 00:23:11,723 --> 00:23:13,725 Yeah, basically. That's about the size of it. 374 00:23:14,726 --> 00:23:19,648 42nd Street got to be what it was because of my father, 375 00:23:20,232 --> 00:23:23,610 Martin Hodas, the porno king of New York City. 376 00:23:24,820 --> 00:23:26,696 He was in the right place at the right time 377 00:23:26,780 --> 00:23:30,659 and saying, "Oh my God, do I got a good idea." 378 00:23:31,993 --> 00:23:33,829 [upbeat music playing] 379 00:23:33,912 --> 00:23:37,958 [Anthony] In the beginning, before XXX Times Square emerged, 380 00:23:38,625 --> 00:23:40,001 there were dirty bookstores 381 00:23:41,586 --> 00:23:45,507 where you could get girly magazines, as they were called at the time. 382 00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:47,801 Very tame stuff by today's standard. 383 00:23:50,262 --> 00:23:52,097 But then in 1967, 384 00:23:52,722 --> 00:23:56,059 Marty Hodas invented the peep show in Times Square. 385 00:23:58,603 --> 00:24:01,690 [Romola] The first peep shows that my father had, 386 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:04,818 they were the peep machines, 387 00:24:06,069 --> 00:24:11,199 and you'd put a quarter in, and you'd be watching porno films. 388 00:24:16,413 --> 00:24:20,250 [Larry] White-collar workers could sneak off there on their lunch break 389 00:24:20,333 --> 00:24:21,918 and take in something X-rated. 390 00:24:23,795 --> 00:24:27,215 It had a certain appeal to certain people 391 00:24:27,299 --> 00:24:31,261 because of the feeling of they're doing something naughty. 392 00:24:31,344 --> 00:24:33,680 They're doing something dirty, you know? 393 00:24:33,763 --> 00:24:36,349 They're doing something they're not supposed to be doing. 394 00:24:36,433 --> 00:24:37,559 That was the appeal. 395 00:24:37,642 --> 00:24:39,644 [rock music playing] 396 00:24:41,062 --> 00:24:43,690 [Romola] But then people wanted more, 397 00:24:43,773 --> 00:24:46,234 and my dad loved pushing the envelope. 398 00:24:47,736 --> 00:24:53,658 Any man has the right to view whatever he feels like viewing, 399 00:24:53,742 --> 00:24:55,535 which is a wonderful thing. 400 00:24:55,619 --> 00:24:58,121 [Romola] So my father expanded 401 00:24:58,205 --> 00:25:00,624 and expanded and expanded. 402 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,960 He started to make his own films... 403 00:25:06,004 --> 00:25:09,382 and they were hard-core films. 404 00:25:10,550 --> 00:25:13,136 [Larry] I started making films for him. 405 00:25:13,970 --> 00:25:16,973 I tried to make, you know, little stories and all this stuff. 406 00:25:17,516 --> 00:25:18,516 Didn't matter. 407 00:25:19,768 --> 00:25:22,312 The viewers, they were in it for the sex. 408 00:25:25,106 --> 00:25:27,984 And once Marty opened the floodgates, 409 00:25:28,652 --> 00:25:31,613 porn had gone from being this underground thing 410 00:25:31,696 --> 00:25:34,324 to very overtly overground. 411 00:25:35,784 --> 00:25:39,204 X-rated theaters started popping up all over the place. 412 00:25:40,288 --> 00:25:44,167 Then he started doing the live peep shows. 413 00:25:44,793 --> 00:25:46,962 [woman] Come on, check it out. It's all live. 414 00:25:47,045 --> 00:25:49,339 And it's all happening right here at Show World Center. 415 00:25:50,507 --> 00:25:53,718 [Romola] You'd go into a booth, and you'd put a quarter in, 416 00:25:53,802 --> 00:25:55,512 and the slot went up, 417 00:25:55,595 --> 00:25:58,306 where you'd watch five girls, about, 418 00:25:59,266 --> 00:26:02,185 dancing, stripping, whatnot. 419 00:26:02,852 --> 00:26:06,398 The idea was to keep teasing the patron 420 00:26:06,481 --> 00:26:10,944 so that the patron would keep popping those tokens into the machine. 421 00:26:14,698 --> 00:26:17,867 [Veronica] At that time, I was a porn star 422 00:26:17,951 --> 00:26:20,203 and a writer for Penthouse. 423 00:26:20,787 --> 00:26:22,956 I covered the sex scene in Times Square, 424 00:26:24,374 --> 00:26:27,252 and I would interview all of the people who worked there. 425 00:26:28,378 --> 00:26:31,631 Everybody was, you know, open about being horny. 426 00:26:32,591 --> 00:26:35,218 It was a place where you could lose yourself. 427 00:26:36,928 --> 00:26:41,057 [Dr. Vronsky] With every year, it would get... more transgressive, 428 00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:44,185 more radicalized, 429 00:26:45,228 --> 00:26:46,896 more sexualized. 430 00:26:48,106 --> 00:26:51,026 And then they took the glass out of the peep shows 431 00:26:51,109 --> 00:26:53,361 so you could interact with... with the model. 432 00:26:54,654 --> 00:26:57,699 [Veronica] Men could put their hands through that hole, 433 00:26:57,782 --> 00:26:59,242 and he could touch the girls. 434 00:26:59,743 --> 00:27:01,703 Or he could put his body part in there, 435 00:27:01,786 --> 00:27:04,497 and the girls could give them hand jobs and blow jobs. 436 00:27:06,499 --> 00:27:10,545 Everybody was really fascinated with sex and the availability of sex. 437 00:27:11,129 --> 00:27:12,464 People pushed the limits. 438 00:27:13,048 --> 00:27:15,300 The barriers were down, anything went. 439 00:27:15,383 --> 00:27:17,218 And so these businesses, 440 00:27:17,302 --> 00:27:19,971 which seemed to be about pleasure on one side, 441 00:27:20,055 --> 00:27:22,140 definitely have a much darker side. 442 00:27:23,308 --> 00:27:26,353 [Romola] There was something... more than sleazy. 443 00:27:26,436 --> 00:27:27,812 There was something like... 444 00:27:27,896 --> 00:27:29,981 like a little dangerous. 445 00:27:31,274 --> 00:27:36,029 A lot of bad things just came along with the... business. 446 00:27:36,112 --> 00:27:38,698 [sirens wailing] 447 00:27:38,782 --> 00:27:42,410 [Romola] There were pimps and drugs all over the place, 448 00:27:43,244 --> 00:27:46,790 and the mob was really big back then, Five Families. 449 00:27:47,874 --> 00:27:50,377 [Josh] Gambino family ran pornography, 450 00:27:50,460 --> 00:27:53,546 but secretly behind the scenes, 451 00:27:53,630 --> 00:27:57,926 all the property and... and the financing of just about every porn place, 452 00:27:58,718 --> 00:28:01,137 uh, they were mob-owned, and they were mob-run. 453 00:28:04,057 --> 00:28:08,103 [Romola] The porn industry breeded bad people coming in, 454 00:28:08,186 --> 00:28:10,146 and I think it caused more crime. 455 00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:11,314 Yes, I do. 456 00:28:11,856 --> 00:28:14,109 It brought it like a magnet. 457 00:28:17,821 --> 00:28:20,782 [Dr. Chateauvert] I think some men saw women 458 00:28:20,865 --> 00:28:23,326 as people who could be purchased, 459 00:28:23,410 --> 00:28:26,663 and once they said, "Oh, I'll do anything," 460 00:28:27,664 --> 00:28:30,041 those men took that to the limit. 461 00:28:30,542 --> 00:28:32,252 [sinister music playing] 462 00:28:34,212 --> 00:28:35,839 [Veronica] There were predators. 463 00:28:36,464 --> 00:28:40,593 People who came just to prey on the sex workers. 464 00:28:40,677 --> 00:28:44,139 To be rough with them, to physically abuse them. 465 00:28:45,890 --> 00:28:47,767 [Jennifer] These people are scary. 466 00:28:47,851 --> 00:28:51,896 They think that since no one can see what they're doing, 467 00:28:52,522 --> 00:28:54,107 that no one's gonna care. 468 00:28:55,483 --> 00:28:59,362 And the sex workers are the ones that take the wrath. 469 00:28:59,446 --> 00:29:00,697 [sirens wailing] 470 00:29:00,780 --> 00:29:04,576 [Jennifer] I think [inhales] that whole world 471 00:29:04,659 --> 00:29:08,788 was the reason why my mother lost her life, 472 00:29:08,872 --> 00:29:11,207 is because it was complete mayhem. 473 00:29:11,291 --> 00:29:12,792 [police radio chatter] 474 00:29:15,420 --> 00:29:16,546 [radio static] 475 00:29:16,629 --> 00:29:18,840 [police radio chatter] 476 00:29:18,923 --> 00:29:21,468 [Dr. Vronsky] Once they identified Deedeh Goodarzi, 477 00:29:23,219 --> 00:29:25,513 that was the biggest break they had. 478 00:29:26,806 --> 00:29:30,769 Then the police very much shook the bushes 479 00:29:30,852 --> 00:29:35,190 on trying to find a motive for Deedeh's murder 480 00:29:35,273 --> 00:29:36,900 and a perpetrator. 481 00:29:38,401 --> 00:29:40,737 [Reiman] You're looking at the people who are in her world, 482 00:29:40,820 --> 00:29:43,823 in her circle of existence. 483 00:29:44,574 --> 00:29:47,535 Johns, pimps, drug dealers. 484 00:29:48,328 --> 00:29:51,998 That's who you're looking at and expanding your way outward. 485 00:29:54,167 --> 00:29:59,547 [Dr. Vronsky] Deedeh had a pimp, a guy called James Thomas. 486 00:29:59,631 --> 00:30:02,008 She worked for him for years. 487 00:30:02,717 --> 00:30:06,262 She also worked out of some of the mob-owned bars. 488 00:30:07,764 --> 00:30:12,227 She was familiar with a number of Iranian drug dealers 489 00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:13,853 that they had interviewed. 490 00:30:16,064 --> 00:30:20,860 But after investigating all these possible perpetrators... 491 00:30:23,196 --> 00:30:24,614 it came to nothing. 492 00:30:26,741 --> 00:30:28,451 Nothing, nothing, nothing. 493 00:30:30,245 --> 00:30:32,247 [crowd cheering] 494 00:30:42,173 --> 00:30:43,967 [male reporter] Goodbye to the '70s. 495 00:30:44,050 --> 00:30:47,387 A decade of dreams. A decade of nightmares. 496 00:30:47,470 --> 00:30:51,266 A decade to which they said farewell here last night. 497 00:30:51,349 --> 00:30:53,351 [cheering continues] 498 00:30:59,065 --> 00:31:01,067 [tense music playing] 499 00:31:04,571 --> 00:31:06,331 [Geberth] I had just come back from Quantico, 500 00:31:06,364 --> 00:31:09,450 and I basically came in on the ground floor of criminal profiling, 501 00:31:10,326 --> 00:31:11,870 which was new at the time. 502 00:31:13,705 --> 00:31:16,124 Profiling, basically, is an understanding 503 00:31:16,207 --> 00:31:19,627 of the dynamics and behaviors of offenders and crime scenes. 504 00:31:20,879 --> 00:31:22,463 We look at victimology, 505 00:31:22,547 --> 00:31:25,383 we look at signature, autopsy results, 506 00:31:25,466 --> 00:31:26,634 and we look at MO. 507 00:31:30,263 --> 00:31:31,306 [shutter clicking] 508 00:31:32,181 --> 00:31:33,057 [switch clicking] 509 00:31:33,141 --> 00:31:36,394 [Geberth] In this case, the medical examiner was able to determine 510 00:31:36,477 --> 00:31:40,148 that the heads and hands had been removed... after death, both of them. 511 00:31:43,735 --> 00:31:47,614 [Reiman] Oftentimes you'll find someone who's not very experienced at cutting 512 00:31:47,697 --> 00:31:50,950 leaving something called hesitation marks. 513 00:31:51,034 --> 00:31:54,203 You'll see a slice and then maybe a deeper slice. 514 00:31:54,287 --> 00:31:58,041 They're trying to get a feel for how difficult it is. 515 00:32:00,585 --> 00:32:04,130 But the killer... did not seem squeamish at all. 516 00:32:05,423 --> 00:32:07,425 He cut right in and kept on cutting. 517 00:32:09,510 --> 00:32:13,056 [Geberth] This tells us that this individual felt very confident 518 00:32:13,139 --> 00:32:14,766 about what he was doing. 519 00:32:17,769 --> 00:32:20,939 [female reporter] The one thing we've got is plenty of questions. 520 00:32:21,731 --> 00:32:25,318 We asked one of the medical examiners who conducted the autopsies. 521 00:32:25,401 --> 00:32:27,528 Was there any indication that this killer 522 00:32:27,612 --> 00:32:30,949 may have inflicted sadistic injuries before he killed them? 523 00:32:31,032 --> 00:32:37,080 Yes, there... there were linear abrasions, scratches all over the body. 524 00:32:37,163 --> 00:32:40,083 No obvious signs of struggle, and, uh, 525 00:32:40,166 --> 00:32:41,334 which appears strange. 526 00:32:41,417 --> 00:32:45,505 But there were... There are a lot of scratch marks on the body. 527 00:32:48,967 --> 00:32:52,136 [Geberth] There were puncture marks, incise marks. 528 00:32:53,221 --> 00:32:56,224 One victim had been bound face down, 529 00:32:56,307 --> 00:33:00,561 and he had taken the blade and gone up and down her back, 530 00:33:00,645 --> 00:33:03,314 elongated incised type wounds, 531 00:33:03,982 --> 00:33:06,359 and the other victim has similar wounds. 532 00:33:07,443 --> 00:33:08,528 They were torture marks. 533 00:33:08,611 --> 00:33:12,323 They were designed to cause pain, repeated pain. 534 00:33:12,407 --> 00:33:14,742 Can you imagine your whole body being cut? 535 00:33:14,826 --> 00:33:18,746 And... and that's... that's what he was doing over a period of three days. 536 00:33:21,499 --> 00:33:23,501 They had also been sexually assaulted. 537 00:33:25,336 --> 00:33:29,590 Deedeh Goodarzi was stabbed through the back into the lung. 538 00:33:31,467 --> 00:33:35,096 The ME declares cause of death as the stab wound. 539 00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:40,601 [Reiman] What they determined in time was these women died at different times. 540 00:33:40,685 --> 00:33:44,522 So one endured witnessing what had happened to the other. 541 00:33:44,605 --> 00:33:46,607 [sinister music playing] 542 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:55,074 [Jennifer] I had awful visions of what could have happened in that room. 543 00:33:55,700 --> 00:33:58,619 Because the fire, because the mutilation, the decapitation. 544 00:33:58,703 --> 00:34:00,621 All of it was... 545 00:34:01,622 --> 00:34:03,332 It was just awful. 546 00:34:06,836 --> 00:34:08,838 [sinister music playing] 547 00:34:11,049 --> 00:34:15,219 The behavior cried out that we're dealing with a psychopathic sexual sadist. 548 00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:20,433 These people have a tendency 549 00:34:20,516 --> 00:34:24,687 to want to hurt and cause pain 550 00:34:24,771 --> 00:34:26,981 in order to get sexually satisfied. 551 00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:31,319 They're basically trying to fulfill a fantasy. 552 00:34:31,903 --> 00:34:34,363 Usually, it goes back to their early childhood. 553 00:34:35,531 --> 00:34:39,994 At first, they use pornography to implement the fantasy. 554 00:34:42,330 --> 00:34:44,707 And like any other stimulant, 555 00:34:44,791 --> 00:34:46,584 what happens, it becomes addictive, 556 00:34:47,585 --> 00:34:48,878 and they want more of it. 557 00:34:49,712 --> 00:34:54,717 Ultimately, in the mind of the psychopathic sexual sadist, 558 00:34:54,801 --> 00:34:59,472 at a certain point, you'll see these guys they wanna actually get a real victim, 559 00:34:59,555 --> 00:35:03,267 but the victim is just a prop to fulfill the fantasy. 560 00:35:03,351 --> 00:35:06,771 So there's no empathy. All right, there's no remorse. 561 00:35:07,688 --> 00:35:11,025 There's no feeling. There's no connection that there's another human being there. 562 00:35:13,820 --> 00:35:19,784 [Dr. Vronsky] There is this struggle to transform one's fantasy into reality 563 00:35:19,867 --> 00:35:25,248 and... do it in a way that's as perfect as the fantasy. 564 00:35:25,832 --> 00:35:26,958 And it never is. 565 00:35:28,376 --> 00:35:30,503 [Geberth] You ever hear of the psychology of evil? 566 00:35:30,586 --> 00:35:33,840 That's what we're talking about here. The psychology of evil. 567 00:35:35,842 --> 00:35:38,678 But if you're a true psychopathic sexual sadist, 568 00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:40,972 you can fool people. 569 00:35:42,431 --> 00:35:44,392 They can present as "normal" 570 00:35:45,143 --> 00:35:48,521 to their neighbors, relatives, and co-workers... 571 00:35:51,232 --> 00:35:54,527 because they've been able to compartmentalize that evil. 572 00:35:55,820 --> 00:35:57,822 [sinister music playing] 573 00:36:07,498 --> 00:36:09,041 [computer tape reels clacking] 574 00:36:10,751 --> 00:36:12,086 [phone ringing] 575 00:36:15,214 --> 00:36:18,384 [man] Back then, I was working on 3rd Avenue... 576 00:36:20,386 --> 00:36:24,807 not far from the bright lights of Times Square. 577 00:36:27,185 --> 00:36:31,731 I worked at Blue Cross Blue Shield on a Honeywell H8200 computer. 578 00:36:32,648 --> 00:36:37,111 H8200 is about the size of one floor of an office building. 579 00:36:38,112 --> 00:36:41,115 - [projector whirring] - I sat there with a bunch of engineers. 580 00:36:41,824 --> 00:36:44,911 They loved to brag about adventures 581 00:36:46,370 --> 00:36:48,164 like most guys do at work. 582 00:36:48,247 --> 00:36:50,041 [phone ringing] 583 00:36:51,375 --> 00:36:53,127 [Dominick] There was one guy, 584 00:36:53,961 --> 00:36:56,172 most of the people called him Richie. 585 00:36:58,299 --> 00:36:59,926 His last name was Cottingham, 586 00:37:00,009 --> 00:37:03,638 so instead of saying that long word, I used to call him "the Cott." 587 00:37:06,641 --> 00:37:09,936 He talked a lot about prowling the streets of Times Square, 588 00:37:10,686 --> 00:37:12,438 picking up prostitutes. 589 00:37:14,190 --> 00:37:17,068 He had endless energy when it came to that. 590 00:37:17,693 --> 00:37:20,071 [horns honking] 591 00:37:20,655 --> 00:37:24,867 I can't tell you what I had for breakfast yesterday, 592 00:37:26,619 --> 00:37:28,955 but I could remember everything about this man. 593 00:37:33,918 --> 00:37:37,880 Times Square was attractive to Richie because 594 00:37:39,423 --> 00:37:44,428 all these extracurricular activities was all in one place. 595 00:37:46,347 --> 00:37:49,475 His shift was from 4:00 p.m. to 11:00 p.m. 596 00:37:51,227 --> 00:37:52,728 It was a skeleton crew, 597 00:37:52,812 --> 00:37:55,523 so no one cared about what we did on our shift. 598 00:37:58,276 --> 00:37:59,986 If you wanted to take a hike, 599 00:38:00,653 --> 00:38:03,489 kill a couple hours in all these massage parlors, 600 00:38:03,572 --> 00:38:08,160 or the film pornography, live pornography peep show places, 601 00:38:08,744 --> 00:38:10,329 he could get away with it. 602 00:38:11,789 --> 00:38:13,791 [tense music playing] 603 00:38:15,418 --> 00:38:17,545 [Dominick] He would give you a detailed map 604 00:38:17,628 --> 00:38:20,214 if you wanted to know where the girls were. 605 00:38:21,132 --> 00:38:24,176 He was like a... a tour guide for hookers. 606 00:38:26,304 --> 00:38:30,683 The thing that'd draw the women to him was C-A-S-H. 607 00:38:30,766 --> 00:38:32,935 Cash, lots of cash. 608 00:38:35,187 --> 00:38:40,234 Richard, at any time, would have two or three thousand dollars in each pocket. 609 00:38:41,068 --> 00:38:42,361 And he waved it around. 610 00:38:42,445 --> 00:38:44,238 He made sure you... you saw it. 611 00:38:46,574 --> 00:38:48,200 He bought what he wanted. 612 00:38:50,369 --> 00:38:53,664 He said, "If I pay a girl, she's gonna do anything I tell her to do." 613 00:38:57,043 --> 00:38:59,837 Richie talked a lot about Plato's Retreat, 614 00:39:00,963 --> 00:39:03,299 the swing club right off Times Square. 615 00:39:06,344 --> 00:39:10,931 [Allen] So as a photographer, as a journalist, there were places that 616 00:39:11,766 --> 00:39:14,310 I would go to on my own 617 00:39:15,019 --> 00:39:17,313 just because I was very curious. 618 00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:21,692 [chuckling] I was there with a camera. I... I got a lot of great photos. 619 00:39:23,819 --> 00:39:27,865 Plato's Retreat was a place that, uh, couples could go 620 00:39:27,948 --> 00:39:29,825 and swap partners with other couples, 621 00:39:29,909 --> 00:39:33,954 or even engage in, uh, group sex 622 00:39:34,038 --> 00:39:36,040 in what they called the orgy room. 623 00:39:36,791 --> 00:39:39,752 There were cubicles which were private. 624 00:39:39,835 --> 00:39:41,462 You know, lock the door. 625 00:39:41,545 --> 00:39:43,589 You don't know what people are doing in there. 626 00:39:45,341 --> 00:39:48,427 Plato's Retreat is more than just a club. It's an institution. 627 00:39:50,638 --> 00:39:52,473 It's a monument to sexual freedom. 628 00:39:54,975 --> 00:39:56,477 [Dominick] It was just, uh... 629 00:39:56,977 --> 00:40:00,731 a sewer of, uh... sexuality. 630 00:40:01,857 --> 00:40:07,405 Richard would talk about how easy women were to get into bed. 631 00:40:08,739 --> 00:40:13,452 Everyone there was fascinated with, uh, with sex. 632 00:40:14,578 --> 00:40:20,543 There was an open almost exchange of, uh, sex acts and, uh, behavior. 633 00:40:22,169 --> 00:40:24,755 Plato's attracted a crowd, 634 00:40:25,631 --> 00:40:26,757 a lot of women... 635 00:40:29,552 --> 00:40:31,095 and a lot of sex workers. 636 00:40:34,932 --> 00:40:37,643 This includes, uh, incidentally... 637 00:40:40,104 --> 00:40:41,397 Deedeh Goodarzi, 638 00:40:42,148 --> 00:40:45,109 one of the victims at the Travel Inn. 639 00:40:45,192 --> 00:40:47,194 [dramatic music playing] 640 00:40:49,488 --> 00:40:51,657 [fire truck horn blaring] 641 00:40:51,740 --> 00:40:53,868 [sirens wailing] 642 00:40:59,290 --> 00:41:02,460 [Geberth] Now it's May 15th in New York City, 643 00:41:02,543 --> 00:41:04,795 and the firefighters are once again called 644 00:41:04,879 --> 00:41:07,256 to a hotel, the Hotel Seville. 645 00:41:09,133 --> 00:41:12,386 It was right off Madison Avenue and 29th Street, 646 00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:14,138 which is east of Times Square. 647 00:41:16,056 --> 00:41:18,267 The police were called, detectives responded, 648 00:41:18,350 --> 00:41:20,227 Manhattan South Homicide responded. 649 00:41:20,311 --> 00:41:22,313 [projector whirring] 650 00:41:24,523 --> 00:41:26,484 [Reiman] There was a room set on fire. 651 00:41:30,362 --> 00:41:32,448 And when they went inside... 652 00:41:36,243 --> 00:41:38,162 there's another mutilated woman. 653 00:41:38,662 --> 00:41:40,664 [dramatic music playing] 654 00:41:45,252 --> 00:41:46,795 [Reiman] She was found beaten... 655 00:41:48,672 --> 00:41:51,008 tortured, naked, 656 00:41:52,551 --> 00:41:53,886 sexually assaulted... 657 00:41:56,055 --> 00:41:57,389 strangled to death. 658 00:41:58,641 --> 00:42:00,643 [projector whirring] 659 00:42:02,728 --> 00:42:03,854 [Geberth] Once again, 660 00:42:04,813 --> 00:42:07,274 it looked like a psychopathic sexual sadist. 661 00:42:08,734 --> 00:42:11,820 But in this case, the heads and hands were not taken. 662 00:42:14,114 --> 00:42:16,534 But instead, he removed both her breasts 663 00:42:16,617 --> 00:42:18,744 and placed them on the headboard 664 00:42:19,453 --> 00:42:20,704 for shock value. 665 00:42:21,205 --> 00:42:22,331 [shutter clicking] 666 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,085 [Reiman] Once again, looking at the crime scene, 667 00:42:26,835 --> 00:42:29,046 it was very neat. 668 00:42:30,422 --> 00:42:32,508 There was no evidence. 669 00:42:34,009 --> 00:42:36,512 But this time, the hands, 670 00:42:36,595 --> 00:42:38,180 they were left behind 671 00:42:38,889 --> 00:42:42,142 so they could be used for fingerprints. 672 00:42:46,397 --> 00:42:48,983 [Geberth] She was identified as Jean Ann Reyner. 673 00:42:50,025 --> 00:42:52,027 She had been arrested for prostitution, 674 00:42:52,570 --> 00:42:55,030 ironically just a couple of weeks before. 675 00:42:59,493 --> 00:43:03,581 Jean Reyner was... a young mother. 676 00:43:03,664 --> 00:43:06,875 She was a daughter. She was a sister. 677 00:43:07,543 --> 00:43:13,507 She... was killed horrifically, leaving behind a small boy. 678 00:43:15,884 --> 00:43:18,470 [Dr. Vronsky] She was working as a sex worker 679 00:43:19,305 --> 00:43:23,851 essentially to finance a custody suit she had 680 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,687 to retain custody of her son. 681 00:43:27,271 --> 00:43:29,189 That's about all we know about her. 682 00:43:32,192 --> 00:43:35,613 [Geberth] When you compare the presentation of the crime scene 683 00:43:35,696 --> 00:43:36,822 to the Travel Inn, 684 00:43:36,905 --> 00:43:39,283 and the type of injuries to the body, 685 00:43:39,992 --> 00:43:42,995 you'd have no doubt they were inflicted by the same person. 686 00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:48,917 Also, the fact that you're looking at another prostitute getting killed. 687 00:43:51,253 --> 00:43:54,465 As a profiler, that says one thing. 688 00:43:55,799 --> 00:43:57,885 I got a serial killer. That's it. 689 00:44:03,098 --> 00:44:06,685 [Dominick] The Hotel Seville was not that far from work. 690 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,065 We called it "slaughter at the Seville." 691 00:44:12,483 --> 00:44:14,360 And that's exactly what it was. 692 00:44:16,654 --> 00:44:20,491 One morning, Richard and I were sitting at the console, 693 00:44:21,950 --> 00:44:24,787 and Cottingham was in his chair rocking away, 694 00:44:25,371 --> 00:44:29,041 and one of our peripheral operators came in, Bob, 695 00:44:29,124 --> 00:44:32,670 with the newspaper in his hand, and it was on the front page. 696 00:44:34,338 --> 00:44:37,007 And Bob threw it down on the console and said, 697 00:44:37,091 --> 00:44:40,844 "What sick son of a bitch could do something like this?" 698 00:44:41,512 --> 00:44:44,306 Cottingham's rocking back and forth in his chair, 699 00:44:44,932 --> 00:44:47,601 and he looked up at Bob, and he said, "Bob, 700 00:44:48,185 --> 00:44:50,396 could've been you, could've been me." 701 00:44:53,691 --> 00:44:55,693 [sinister music playing] 57417

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