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The biggest surprise 16 00:00:47,830 --> 00:00:49,832 is yet to come. 17 00:00:49,962 --> 00:00:52,400 - I used to think that Donald Trump 18 00:00:52,530 --> 00:00:55,142 really understood the zeitgeist of the nation. 19 00:00:55,272 --> 00:00:56,621 - You're fired. You're fired. 20 00:00:56,752 --> 00:00:58,188 You're fired. - Now I realized 21 00:00:58,319 --> 00:00:59,929 he is the zeitgeist. 22 00:01:00,060 --> 00:01:02,149 ♪ 23 00:01:02,279 --> 00:01:05,152 - There was virtually not a person on the planet 24 00:01:05,282 --> 00:01:07,241 who didn't know who Donald Trump was. 25 00:01:07,371 --> 00:01:09,634 - To listen to this-- it's just so ridiculous. 26 00:01:09,765 --> 00:01:10,983 - There's a toughness to him. 27 00:01:11,114 --> 00:01:12,594 I mean, he can take a lot of bullets. 28 00:01:12,724 --> 00:01:14,161 He can catch bullets in his teeth. 29 00:01:14,291 --> 00:01:16,859 - Donald Trump is a survivor. 30 00:01:16,989 --> 00:01:18,469 - He comes as advertised. 31 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:19,775 It can be disgusting, 32 00:01:19,905 --> 00:01:23,257 but there is a genius to it. 33 00:01:23,387 --> 00:01:24,867 - I don't think people change. 34 00:01:24,997 --> 00:01:27,130 I'm a very big believer in the fact 35 00:01:27,261 --> 00:01:29,132 that when you are a certain way, 36 00:01:29,263 --> 00:01:30,960 that's the way you are. 37 00:01:31,091 --> 00:01:32,134 I love to fight. 38 00:01:32,265 --> 00:01:34,572 I always loved to fight. 39 00:01:34,703 --> 00:01:37,619 My father was a very tough man. 40 00:01:41,926 --> 00:01:47,194 ♪ 41 00:01:47,324 --> 00:01:48,282 - Okay? 42 00:01:48,412 --> 00:01:50,021 Whenever you're ready. 43 00:01:50,152 --> 00:01:53,156 ♪ 44 00:01:53,287 --> 00:01:54,723 - There's a clear through line 45 00:01:54,853 --> 00:01:56,072 that's passed down 46 00:01:56,203 --> 00:01:57,943 from generation to generation. 47 00:01:58,074 --> 00:02:01,077 - If you become a power broker in Manhattan, 48 00:02:01,208 --> 00:02:03,688 you are the man. 49 00:02:03,819 --> 00:02:05,777 - Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump. 50 00:02:05,908 --> 00:02:07,866 His name is his power. 51 00:02:07,997 --> 00:02:09,607 - Do whatever you have to do. 52 00:02:09,738 --> 00:02:11,783 You say whatever you have to say. 53 00:02:11,914 --> 00:02:13,133 Winning is everything. 54 00:02:13,263 --> 00:02:16,832 ♪ 55 00:02:16,962 --> 00:02:19,661 - I think that to understand Donald Trump, 56 00:02:19,791 --> 00:02:21,924 you really have to go back to the beginning. 57 00:02:22,054 --> 00:02:28,974 ♪ 58 00:02:54,086 --> 00:02:56,915 [metal creaking] 59 00:02:57,046 --> 00:03:04,053 ♪ 60 00:03:04,662 --> 00:03:06,011 - Please watch your step. 61 00:03:06,142 --> 00:03:07,143 ♪ 62 00:03:07,274 --> 00:03:09,580 Okay. - [laughs] 63 00:03:09,711 --> 00:03:11,887 - This is called, uh, "topping out," right? 64 00:03:12,017 --> 00:03:12,975 - This is called topping out. 65 00:03:13,105 --> 00:03:14,542 - I--see how much I know? 66 00:03:14,672 --> 00:03:15,760 [laughs] - Let's grab a handshake. 67 00:03:15,891 --> 00:03:16,718 - Sure. How you doing, Don? 68 00:03:16,848 --> 00:03:18,198 - Good. 69 00:03:18,328 --> 00:03:20,287 [somber music] 70 00:03:20,417 --> 00:03:22,289 They can live in Houston, they can live in Paris, 71 00:03:22,419 --> 00:03:23,768 they can live anywhere in the world. 72 00:03:23,899 --> 00:03:25,292 Many of these very wealthy people 73 00:03:25,422 --> 00:03:27,207 have chosen Trump Tower, and I think 74 00:03:27,337 --> 00:03:29,165 it's a very important step for New York. 75 00:03:29,296 --> 00:03:30,993 I think it's a vital step for New York. 76 00:03:31,123 --> 00:03:33,909 [applause] 77 00:03:34,039 --> 00:03:40,959 ♪ 78 00:03:45,007 --> 00:03:46,574 - Trump Tower is nothing 79 00:03:46,704 --> 00:03:48,750 if not a symbol 80 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:50,665 that winning is everything. 81 00:03:50,795 --> 00:03:53,581 ♪ 82 00:03:53,711 --> 00:03:55,713 - Trump Tower was really 83 00:03:55,844 --> 00:03:57,759 the thing that put him on the map in so many ways. 84 00:03:57,889 --> 00:03:59,064 It won him recognition 85 00:03:59,195 --> 00:04:01,197 and even honor 86 00:04:01,328 --> 00:04:03,330 and brought him to a level 87 00:04:03,460 --> 00:04:05,593 that he thought had not been possible 88 00:04:05,723 --> 00:04:07,247 for his family to date. 89 00:04:07,377 --> 00:04:09,684 - And by the way, uh, he is a chip 90 00:04:09,814 --> 00:04:10,946 off the old block. 91 00:04:11,076 --> 00:04:12,121 - This is my father, Fred Trump. 92 00:04:12,252 --> 00:04:13,470 - Right. 93 00:04:13,601 --> 00:04:14,732 - He was able to surpass 94 00:04:14,863 --> 00:04:16,212 his very demanding father, 95 00:04:16,343 --> 00:04:18,040 leaving behind Brooklyn and Queens 96 00:04:18,170 --> 00:04:20,129 and taking over New York. 97 00:04:20,260 --> 00:04:21,738 ♪ 98 00:04:21,870 --> 00:04:24,264 But this was not the beginning. 99 00:04:24,394 --> 00:04:26,657 The Trump family saga 100 00:04:26,788 --> 00:04:28,572 starts much earlier on. 101 00:04:30,792 --> 00:04:32,010 - All right, so you know I'm trying 102 00:04:32,141 --> 00:04:33,577 to march you through your life. 103 00:04:33,707 --> 00:04:35,318 - I'm not in the past. - Yeah. 104 00:04:35,449 --> 00:04:36,667 - I'm--I'm a person that thinks to the future. 105 00:04:36,798 --> 00:04:38,452 - That's--that's the thing, is-- 106 00:04:38,582 --> 00:04:39,582 - I just don't like wasting time on the past. 107 00:04:39,714 --> 00:04:41,150 ♪ 108 00:04:41,281 --> 00:04:42,673 - Other people do have to know 109 00:04:42,804 --> 00:04:43,979 about how you got here. 110 00:04:44,109 --> 00:04:45,633 - I'm never in the past. 111 00:04:45,763 --> 00:04:46,895 - Right, I know, I know. 112 00:04:47,025 --> 00:04:49,071 - In 2014, 113 00:04:49,201 --> 00:04:51,856 I did four sit-down interviews 114 00:04:51,987 --> 00:04:52,814 with Donald Trump. 115 00:04:52,944 --> 00:04:54,511 ♪ 116 00:04:54,642 --> 00:04:56,121 I wanted to know 117 00:04:56,252 --> 00:04:58,689 how was it that this kid from Queens 118 00:04:58,820 --> 00:05:01,039 turned himself into the character 119 00:05:01,170 --> 00:05:03,172 that became the Donald Trump we know? 120 00:05:03,303 --> 00:05:04,913 Uh, let me see if I can-- 121 00:05:05,043 --> 00:05:05,957 - I don't like talking about the past. 122 00:05:06,088 --> 00:05:08,220 Past is over. 123 00:05:08,351 --> 00:05:10,135 No, I don't want to think about it. 124 00:05:10,266 --> 00:05:11,702 I don't like to think too much of the past... 125 00:05:11,833 --> 00:05:13,095 - All right, well-- - Other than-- 126 00:05:13,225 --> 00:05:15,663 other than-- this is very important-- 127 00:05:15,793 --> 00:05:17,839 I learn from the past. 128 00:05:17,969 --> 00:05:24,280 ♪ 129 00:05:24,411 --> 00:05:27,152 - Donald's grandfather, Friedrich Trump, 130 00:05:27,283 --> 00:05:29,633 came to the United States in 1885. 131 00:05:29,764 --> 00:05:32,854 He was 16. 132 00:05:32,984 --> 00:05:36,858 He came from a wine-producing small village in Germany, 133 00:05:36,988 --> 00:05:39,948 but wasn't content to stay there. 134 00:05:40,078 --> 00:05:41,732 - In the middle of the night, 135 00:05:41,863 --> 00:05:43,778 he writes a letter and leaves it for his mom, 136 00:05:43,908 --> 00:05:44,953 and in the morning, he is gone. 137 00:05:45,082 --> 00:05:46,171 ♪ 138 00:05:46,302 --> 00:05:47,695 - For Friedrich, 139 00:05:47,825 --> 00:05:49,479 the goal was to really become 140 00:05:49,610 --> 00:05:51,829 a wealthy man. 141 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,266 - Railroads were advertising every day, 142 00:05:54,397 --> 00:05:56,965 "Buy a ticket to fortune. 143 00:05:57,095 --> 00:05:59,881 Buy a ticket west." 144 00:06:00,011 --> 00:06:02,274 - Friedrich took off for the Northwest, 145 00:06:02,405 --> 00:06:04,712 the last part of the physical frontier, 146 00:06:04,842 --> 00:06:06,627 where things were wide open, 147 00:06:06,757 --> 00:06:08,542 and a young man with a lot of energy 148 00:06:08,672 --> 00:06:10,413 might be able to do very well. 149 00:06:10,544 --> 00:06:11,936 ♪ 150 00:06:12,067 --> 00:06:14,069 Word began to circulate 151 00:06:14,199 --> 00:06:15,853 of a mining town 152 00:06:15,984 --> 00:06:17,072 just getting going 153 00:06:17,202 --> 00:06:18,552 northeast of Seattle, 154 00:06:18,682 --> 00:06:20,118 called Monte Cristo, 155 00:06:20,249 --> 00:06:22,033 being bankrolled, of all things, 156 00:06:22,164 --> 00:06:24,601 by John D. Rockefeller. 157 00:06:24,732 --> 00:06:26,690 - Rockefeller is, of course, 158 00:06:26,821 --> 00:06:28,213 this living emblem 159 00:06:28,344 --> 00:06:30,128 of success in America, 160 00:06:30,259 --> 00:06:31,826 and so, if John D. Rockefeller 161 00:06:31,956 --> 00:06:33,871 says, "My engineers have discovered 162 00:06:34,002 --> 00:06:36,918 there's this great vein of silver ore," 163 00:06:37,048 --> 00:06:38,832 well, off you go. 164 00:06:38,963 --> 00:06:40,791 ♪ 165 00:06:40,922 --> 00:06:43,315 All you had to do to stake a claim 166 00:06:43,446 --> 00:06:45,927 was declare that you had struck silver 167 00:06:46,057 --> 00:06:47,232 on a piece of land, 168 00:06:47,363 --> 00:06:48,756 and it was yours to work, 169 00:06:48,886 --> 00:06:50,235 and no one else could have it. 170 00:06:50,366 --> 00:06:52,716 In Friedrichs's case, 171 00:06:52,847 --> 00:06:54,370 he announced that he had found something 172 00:06:54,501 --> 00:06:57,155 when he hadn't even dug a single hole. 173 00:06:57,286 --> 00:06:59,462 - He had no intention of mining, 174 00:06:59,593 --> 00:07:00,594 and he, in fact, 175 00:07:00,724 --> 00:07:03,074 instead built a hotel. 176 00:07:03,205 --> 00:07:06,077 He looked at the world that he had come into 177 00:07:06,208 --> 00:07:07,949 and figured out where there was an opening 178 00:07:08,079 --> 00:07:09,167 and figured out how to do it. 179 00:07:09,298 --> 00:07:11,343 He was very savvy about that. 180 00:07:11,474 --> 00:07:13,041 ♪ 181 00:07:13,171 --> 00:07:15,609 He set himself up to mine the miners, 182 00:07:15,739 --> 00:07:18,089 providing food, fine dining, 183 00:07:18,220 --> 00:07:21,266 and... 184 00:07:21,397 --> 00:07:23,617 - There is a wonderful euphemism 185 00:07:23,747 --> 00:07:25,706 called "Rooms for ladies." 186 00:07:25,836 --> 00:07:29,274 - Pretty much of a code word for prostitutes. 187 00:07:29,405 --> 00:07:31,929 - There were prostitutes hanging out in the bar, 188 00:07:32,060 --> 00:07:33,670 and, uh, any man 189 00:07:33,801 --> 00:07:36,238 who wanted to take a hooker upstairs-- 190 00:07:36,368 --> 00:07:37,718 there were rooms available. 191 00:07:37,848 --> 00:07:39,676 ♪ 192 00:07:39,807 --> 00:07:41,722 [jaunty music] 193 00:07:41,852 --> 00:07:44,202 - Friedrich was supremely ambitious, 194 00:07:44,332 --> 00:07:46,466 was willing to do whatever it took 195 00:07:46,596 --> 00:07:47,683 in order to get ahead. 196 00:07:47,815 --> 00:07:54,648 ♪ 197 00:07:55,909 --> 00:07:57,128 - In 1897, 198 00:07:57,259 --> 00:08:00,001 a ship came into Seattle 199 00:08:00,131 --> 00:08:01,611 laden with gold 200 00:08:01,742 --> 00:08:04,875 from the gold fields of the Yukon. 201 00:08:05,006 --> 00:08:07,356 - These men stagger off 202 00:08:07,487 --> 00:08:09,576 onto dry land, 203 00:08:09,706 --> 00:08:12,274 but they can barely walk down the gangplank 204 00:08:12,404 --> 00:08:15,756 because of their sacks and bags of gold, 205 00:08:15,886 --> 00:08:18,976 and that set off the Yukon gold rush. 206 00:08:19,107 --> 00:08:20,543 Friedrich thought 207 00:08:20,674 --> 00:08:22,457 "I want a share of the action." 208 00:08:22,589 --> 00:08:24,678 ♪ 209 00:08:24,808 --> 00:08:26,897 - Friedrich makes his way 210 00:08:27,028 --> 00:08:29,639 to the Yukon. 211 00:08:29,770 --> 00:08:31,032 Like everybody else, 212 00:08:31,162 --> 00:08:32,163 it's by foot, 213 00:08:32,294 --> 00:08:34,164 an astonishing journey 214 00:08:34,296 --> 00:08:35,558 up mountain passes, 215 00:08:35,688 --> 00:08:37,385 single file-- 216 00:08:37,517 --> 00:08:39,606 was an extremely arduous, 217 00:08:39,736 --> 00:08:41,912 difficult, life-threatening situation. 218 00:08:42,043 --> 00:08:47,048 ♪ 219 00:08:47,178 --> 00:08:48,832 - The White Pass trail-- 220 00:08:48,963 --> 00:08:50,921 you could have horses on it, 221 00:08:51,052 --> 00:08:54,142 and horses could pull loads over, 222 00:08:54,272 --> 00:08:56,100 but these miners had no idea 223 00:08:56,231 --> 00:08:59,147 what that, in fact, involved. 224 00:08:59,277 --> 00:09:01,149 The horses were completely unsuitable 225 00:09:01,279 --> 00:09:03,586 for the absolutely grim conditions, 226 00:09:03,717 --> 00:09:05,066 and they died on the trail, 227 00:09:05,196 --> 00:09:06,763 or they fell and broke their legs, 228 00:09:06,894 --> 00:09:08,548 or their owners simply shot them 229 00:09:08,678 --> 00:09:11,159 because they couldn't go any further. 230 00:09:11,289 --> 00:09:13,727 There was a terrifying piece of that trail 231 00:09:13,857 --> 00:09:16,164 called the Dead Horse Gulch, 232 00:09:16,294 --> 00:09:18,079 which was packed solid 233 00:09:18,209 --> 00:09:20,777 with dead horseflesh. 234 00:09:20,908 --> 00:09:23,911 In fact, one of the miners who went up that trail said 235 00:09:24,041 --> 00:09:26,174 that you could've just laid all the horses end-to-end, 236 00:09:26,304 --> 00:09:28,785 and you would've been walking over dead horseflesh 237 00:09:28,916 --> 00:09:31,396 for 50 miles. 238 00:09:31,527 --> 00:09:32,876 - But for Friedrich, 239 00:09:33,007 --> 00:09:35,662 it was an opportunity. 240 00:09:35,792 --> 00:09:38,621 He had tent restaurants along the way, 241 00:09:38,752 --> 00:09:42,277 and where would you get fresh meat? 242 00:09:42,407 --> 00:09:45,933 What do these people need? They need food. 243 00:09:46,063 --> 00:09:49,937 So he uses those dead horses, 244 00:09:50,067 --> 00:09:51,982 and serves up horse burgers, 245 00:09:52,113 --> 00:09:55,595 serves up horse steaks. 246 00:09:55,725 --> 00:09:57,988 ♪ 247 00:09:58,119 --> 00:09:59,816 - Friedrich arrives in Bennett 248 00:09:59,947 --> 00:10:01,905 with all of his guile 249 00:10:02,036 --> 00:10:03,820 and all of his resourcefulness intac, 250 00:10:03,951 --> 00:10:05,735 and he is ready to go into business. 251 00:10:05,866 --> 00:10:07,345 ♪ 252 00:10:07,476 --> 00:10:08,956 - Bennett was a newly-built town 253 00:10:09,086 --> 00:10:10,522 that was thrown up by people 254 00:10:10,653 --> 00:10:13,351 on the way to the gold fields. 255 00:10:13,482 --> 00:10:16,354 - Bennett was a very savvy place to be, 256 00:10:16,485 --> 00:10:19,662 because all the miners had to come through Bennett, 257 00:10:19,793 --> 00:10:21,795 so there was always gonna be traffic. 258 00:10:21,925 --> 00:10:24,101 ♪ 259 00:10:24,232 --> 00:10:26,234 - He establishes himself, 260 00:10:26,364 --> 00:10:28,149 builds his hotel-restaurant. 261 00:10:28,279 --> 00:10:29,672 ♪ 262 00:10:29,803 --> 00:10:31,282 - It's filled, it's bustling, 263 00:10:31,413 --> 00:10:33,894 and apparently, the best restaurant in town. 264 00:10:34,024 --> 00:10:35,504 That's what the press accounts said. 265 00:10:35,635 --> 00:10:37,288 ♪ 266 00:10:37,419 --> 00:10:39,639 - But he hears there's a railway being built 267 00:10:39,769 --> 00:10:42,163 to a place further down the river 268 00:10:42,293 --> 00:10:45,035 called Whitehorse, which, at that stage, 269 00:10:45,165 --> 00:10:46,646 was barely more than a couple of buildings. 270 00:10:46,776 --> 00:10:48,125 ♪ 271 00:10:48,256 --> 00:10:49,779 - Friedrich knows 272 00:10:49,910 --> 00:10:52,521 that Bennett would be bypassed. 273 00:10:52,652 --> 00:10:54,697 Now, what's his response to this? 274 00:10:54,828 --> 00:10:57,395 ♪ 275 00:10:57,526 --> 00:11:03,097 It is to put his restaurant and hotel on a raft 276 00:11:03,227 --> 00:11:05,969 and float it down the river to Whitehorse. 277 00:11:06,100 --> 00:11:07,667 ♪ 278 00:11:07,797 --> 00:11:09,277 [train horn blows] 279 00:11:09,407 --> 00:11:11,932 - By the time the train arrived there, 280 00:11:12,062 --> 00:11:15,500 he had a restaurant, a hotel there. 281 00:11:15,631 --> 00:11:17,198 Of course, that means 282 00:11:17,328 --> 00:11:19,156 that he's in on the ground floor 283 00:11:19,287 --> 00:11:21,855 and makes a fortune really fast. 284 00:11:21,985 --> 00:11:24,771 - I don't think, given Friedrich's character, 285 00:11:24,901 --> 00:11:26,947 anything else is going to happen. 286 00:11:27,077 --> 00:11:29,950 This is a guy of consummate ambition. 287 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:34,128 ♪ 288 00:11:34,258 --> 00:11:35,956 - And he must have led a wild life, 289 00:11:36,086 --> 00:11:37,218 'cause you can imagine-- - Right. 290 00:11:37,348 --> 00:11:39,046 - He owned a one-room hotel, 291 00:11:39,176 --> 00:11:40,656 and he'd move the hotel. He'd take it down-- 292 00:11:40,787 --> 00:11:42,266 - Oh, yeah, and float it on a barge. 293 00:11:42,397 --> 00:11:43,964 - And float it on a barge and then move it 294 00:11:44,094 --> 00:11:45,182 to a better area. - And they served 295 00:11:45,313 --> 00:11:46,749 more than food, 296 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:48,359 'cause-- - Right, right, right. 297 00:11:48,490 --> 00:11:50,100 - You could satisfy all your appetites. 298 00:11:50,231 --> 00:11:52,015 - He must have led some wild life. 299 00:11:52,146 --> 00:11:53,843 - Booze, beds, and women. 300 00:11:53,974 --> 00:11:55,802 - Right, and se-- - But he got rich. 301 00:11:55,932 --> 00:11:57,499 - It had to be, uh-- but he did well. 302 00:11:57,629 --> 00:11:59,109 - Yeah. - And he was-- 303 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:00,894 he was a great guy, from what I hear. 304 00:12:01,024 --> 00:12:02,460 I mean, he was--he was-- must have been terrific. 305 00:12:02,591 --> 00:12:06,551 ♪ 306 00:12:06,682 --> 00:12:08,771 - In his early '30s, 307 00:12:08,902 --> 00:12:11,165 Friedrich goes back to Germany, 308 00:12:11,295 --> 00:12:13,907 and he has a few things on his mind. 309 00:12:14,037 --> 00:12:15,604 ♪ 310 00:12:15,735 --> 00:12:18,955 One is to find a wife. 311 00:12:19,086 --> 00:12:22,176 He's looking for a lovely German woman 312 00:12:22,306 --> 00:12:23,655 to marry, and he discovers 313 00:12:23,786 --> 00:12:25,440 Elizabeth Christ. 314 00:12:25,570 --> 00:12:27,094 ♪ 315 00:12:27,224 --> 00:12:28,748 The two fall in love 316 00:12:28,878 --> 00:12:31,011 and were eventually married. 317 00:12:31,141 --> 00:12:34,144 [somber music] 318 00:12:34,275 --> 00:12:38,758 In 1905, they return to New York. 319 00:12:38,888 --> 00:12:40,803 She's carrying her son, 320 00:12:40,934 --> 00:12:42,065 Donald's father, 321 00:12:42,196 --> 00:12:44,676 Fredrick. 322 00:12:44,807 --> 00:12:46,766 Friedrich is not going to operate 323 00:12:46,896 --> 00:12:50,682 a saloon-slash-restaurant- slash-house of ill repute. 324 00:12:50,813 --> 00:12:52,815 He is going to become a businessman, 325 00:12:52,946 --> 00:12:54,599 and his business is going to be real estate. 326 00:12:54,730 --> 00:12:56,819 ♪ 327 00:12:56,950 --> 00:12:58,560 Friedrich is looking out 328 00:12:58,690 --> 00:13:00,344 on the world that is New York City 329 00:13:00,475 --> 00:13:04,044 and searching for a frontier. 330 00:13:04,174 --> 00:13:07,047 Just as there was a railroad being built to Whitehorse, 331 00:13:07,177 --> 00:13:08,570 in the Yukon, 332 00:13:08,700 --> 00:13:10,180 he sees that the place to be 333 00:13:10,311 --> 00:13:12,748 is Queens. 334 00:13:12,879 --> 00:13:14,663 The frontier is going to be reached 335 00:13:14,794 --> 00:13:17,492 by the Queensboro Bridge. 336 00:13:17,622 --> 00:13:19,059 This is a mighty edifice 337 00:13:19,189 --> 00:13:21,975 that is going to literally open up 338 00:13:22,105 --> 00:13:24,542 to the crush of people 339 00:13:24,673 --> 00:13:28,024 interested in the suburbs. 340 00:13:28,155 --> 00:13:30,244 The people need homes, 341 00:13:30,374 --> 00:13:33,725 and he decides that it's a wonderful opportunity 342 00:13:33,856 --> 00:13:35,727 for the real estate man on the make. 343 00:13:35,858 --> 00:13:40,167 ♪ 344 00:13:40,297 --> 00:13:45,868 ♪ 345 00:13:45,999 --> 00:13:48,479 - In the spring of 1918, 346 00:13:48,610 --> 00:13:51,656 young Fred, Donald's father, is 12 years old. 347 00:13:51,787 --> 00:13:53,484 ♪ 348 00:13:53,615 --> 00:13:56,705 He went out for a walk with his father. 349 00:13:56,836 --> 00:13:58,446 As they're walking along, 350 00:13:58,576 --> 00:14:01,231 his father says he's not feeling well... 351 00:14:01,362 --> 00:14:02,798 ♪ 352 00:14:02,929 --> 00:14:05,105 And within hours, 353 00:14:05,235 --> 00:14:06,106 he's died. 354 00:14:06,236 --> 00:14:08,195 ♪ 355 00:14:08,325 --> 00:14:10,240 Eventually, it becomes clear 356 00:14:10,371 --> 00:14:11,502 that what's killed him 357 00:14:11,633 --> 00:14:13,287 was the influenza epidemic 358 00:14:13,417 --> 00:14:16,290 that's sweeping the country in 1918 359 00:14:16,420 --> 00:14:18,379 and has claimed millions of lives. 360 00:14:18,509 --> 00:14:20,511 [desolate music] 361 00:14:20,642 --> 00:14:22,557 - you can imagine the sense of siege 362 00:14:22,687 --> 00:14:24,385 and worry 363 00:14:24,515 --> 00:14:26,996 about how you were going to survive. 364 00:14:27,127 --> 00:14:29,912 Fred--he was the oldest son, and as the oldest son, 365 00:14:30,043 --> 00:14:31,871 he had to step into this role 366 00:14:32,001 --> 00:14:33,829 and take care of things. 367 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,267 - Of course, their lives were drastically changed. 368 00:14:37,398 --> 00:14:39,269 - Fred Trump Sr.'s experience 369 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,315 was in some ways, a classic, uh, 370 00:14:41,445 --> 00:14:42,925 borough ethnic, uh, story. 371 00:14:43,056 --> 00:14:44,665 His childhood was foreshortened, 372 00:14:44,796 --> 00:14:46,320 so he worked hard, 373 00:14:46,450 --> 00:14:47,756 and that kind of an upbringing 374 00:14:47,887 --> 00:14:49,192 can make you, or it can break you. 375 00:14:49,323 --> 00:14:50,715 It made him. 376 00:14:50,846 --> 00:14:52,369 - My father was the greatest, 377 00:14:52,500 --> 00:14:53,457 'cause he taught me everything. 378 00:14:53,588 --> 00:14:54,719 He was very knowledgeable. 379 00:14:54,850 --> 00:14:55,938 He was a very smart guy. 380 00:14:56,069 --> 00:14:57,461 He was a very good negotiator, 381 00:14:57,592 --> 00:15:00,377 and he taught me a lot, 382 00:15:00,508 --> 00:15:03,119 and I learned a lot from my father, from Fred. 383 00:15:03,250 --> 00:15:07,732 ♪ 384 00:15:07,863 --> 00:15:09,691 - At the age of 17, 385 00:15:09,821 --> 00:15:11,954 Fred built his first home. 386 00:15:12,085 --> 00:15:13,956 He took the profits from that to build another, 387 00:15:14,087 --> 00:15:15,436 and the profits from that for another, 388 00:15:15,566 --> 00:15:16,828 and pretty soon, the family business 389 00:15:16,959 --> 00:15:19,657 was taking off. 390 00:15:19,788 --> 00:15:21,398 ♪ 391 00:15:21,529 --> 00:15:22,878 - At the height of the Depression, 1934, 392 00:15:23,009 --> 00:15:24,749 with a good deal of homelessness, 393 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:26,490 the federal government 394 00:15:26,621 --> 00:15:28,362 is trying to address this issue by creating 395 00:15:28,492 --> 00:15:30,581 the Federal Housing Administration. 396 00:15:30,712 --> 00:15:32,366 - The Congress has made it easier 397 00:15:32,496 --> 00:15:35,282 for private capital to build modest homes 398 00:15:35,412 --> 00:15:37,110 and low-rental dwellings. 399 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,286 - By seeding all this money, 400 00:15:39,415 --> 00:15:41,375 by backing all these loans, 401 00:15:41,505 --> 00:15:44,595 the FHA creates this whirlwind of development. 402 00:15:44,726 --> 00:15:47,816 ♪ 403 00:15:47,947 --> 00:15:49,644 - This was the beginning 404 00:15:49,774 --> 00:15:51,515 of the Trump empire. 405 00:15:51,646 --> 00:15:54,257 - The FHA would be responsible 406 00:15:54,388 --> 00:15:55,911 for the funding 407 00:15:56,042 --> 00:15:57,695 of some of Fred's biggest projects. 408 00:15:57,826 --> 00:15:59,393 ♪ 409 00:15:59,523 --> 00:16:02,570 Without the FHA, there is no Fred Trump. 410 00:16:02,700 --> 00:16:04,398 - From the beginning of the FHA 411 00:16:04,528 --> 00:16:06,487 until the end of the 1930s, 412 00:16:06,617 --> 00:16:08,532 he built thousands of homes. 413 00:16:08,663 --> 00:16:10,534 He was touted as the Henry Ford 414 00:16:10,665 --> 00:16:13,755 of home-building at one point, 415 00:16:13,885 --> 00:16:16,105 because he had figured out how to do this 416 00:16:16,236 --> 00:16:17,585 as economically as possible. 417 00:16:17,715 --> 00:16:24,766 ♪ 418 00:16:25,549 --> 00:16:27,203 - Donald Trump grew up in a part of Queens 419 00:16:27,334 --> 00:16:29,423 called Jamaica Estates, 420 00:16:29,553 --> 00:16:31,599 which is not what we generally think of 421 00:16:31,729 --> 00:16:33,296 when we think of the boroughs in New York City. 422 00:16:33,427 --> 00:16:34,602 ♪ 423 00:16:34,732 --> 00:16:36,604 - Donald's house, 424 00:16:36,734 --> 00:16:38,693 the first time I saw it in Jamaica Estates, 425 00:16:38,823 --> 00:16:40,303 was huge. 426 00:16:40,434 --> 00:16:42,523 ♪ 427 00:16:42,653 --> 00:16:47,571 It had six giant, white, two-story pillars, 428 00:16:47,702 --> 00:16:51,271 and had an under-the-house garage. 429 00:16:51,401 --> 00:16:53,708 - 23 rooms 430 00:16:53,838 --> 00:16:58,408 and even a kind of coat of arms over the doo. 431 00:16:58,539 --> 00:17:01,324 - I was incredibly blown away. 432 00:17:01,455 --> 00:17:02,847 Today, I could say 433 00:17:02,978 --> 00:17:04,109 it was a mega-mansion. 434 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:09,550 ♪ 435 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:11,247 - Donald Trump is the middle of three boys 436 00:17:11,377 --> 00:17:13,597 in a family of five children, 437 00:17:13,728 --> 00:17:16,078 and his older brother, Freddy, 438 00:17:16,209 --> 00:17:18,340 was kind of his hero. 439 00:17:18,472 --> 00:17:19,864 He was the sibling that Donald Trump 440 00:17:19,994 --> 00:17:22,345 looked up to the most. 441 00:17:22,476 --> 00:17:24,260 - He was such an amazing guy, 442 00:17:24,391 --> 00:17:25,695 and the best personality, 443 00:17:25,827 --> 00:17:28,569 best-looking guy you'll ever see, and... 444 00:17:28,699 --> 00:17:30,875 he was smart. - Yeah. 445 00:17:31,006 --> 00:17:32,051 - He had everything, but he was 446 00:17:32,181 --> 00:17:34,662 a very handsome guy. 447 00:17:34,792 --> 00:17:38,405 - He was a guy with a great sense of humor, 448 00:17:38,535 --> 00:17:40,798 always fun to be around. 449 00:17:40,929 --> 00:17:44,802 ♪ 450 00:17:44,933 --> 00:17:48,023 We went to the Trump house often, 451 00:17:48,154 --> 00:17:51,331 but we never went through the front door. 452 00:17:51,461 --> 00:17:52,680 We always went through the garage, 453 00:17:52,810 --> 00:17:54,464 because Mr. Trump 454 00:17:54,595 --> 00:17:57,728 would rather not have us around. 455 00:17:57,859 --> 00:18:01,297 I think he just thought that, uh, 456 00:18:01,428 --> 00:18:03,865 Fred was wasting his time with friends 457 00:18:03,995 --> 00:18:06,563 and should be doing more serious things. 458 00:18:06,694 --> 00:18:09,000 ♪ 459 00:18:09,131 --> 00:18:11,655 - In the 1950s, the Trumps are one 460 00:18:11,786 --> 00:18:14,615 of the wealthiest families in America. 461 00:18:14,745 --> 00:18:17,313 Fred Sr. set the standard, 462 00:18:17,444 --> 00:18:18,793 set the expectations, 463 00:18:18,923 --> 00:18:20,751 and they were very high. 464 00:18:20,882 --> 00:18:23,319 This was not a "let's go out in the backyard 465 00:18:23,450 --> 00:18:25,104 and play catch" kind of dad. 466 00:18:25,234 --> 00:18:27,497 This was a "do as I say," 467 00:18:27,628 --> 00:18:30,761 tough, old-fashioned father. 468 00:18:30,892 --> 00:18:33,286 Donald Trump was taught 469 00:18:33,416 --> 00:18:35,375 that life is a competition. 470 00:18:35,505 --> 00:18:38,117 You must win. You must be tough. 471 00:18:38,247 --> 00:18:39,640 ♪ 472 00:18:39,770 --> 00:18:41,294 - Fred Trump saw the world 473 00:18:41,424 --> 00:18:43,252 as one of winners and losers, 474 00:18:43,383 --> 00:18:45,733 a very binary approach to life, 475 00:18:45,863 --> 00:18:47,952 and he impressed upon his children 476 00:18:48,083 --> 00:18:50,694 the idea that they simply had to be winners. 477 00:18:50,825 --> 00:18:54,263 - His father was a brutal man. 478 00:18:54,394 --> 00:18:56,526 I think that Donald 479 00:18:56,657 --> 00:18:59,181 got used to being treated 480 00:18:59,312 --> 00:19:01,531 in a totally businesslike 481 00:19:01,662 --> 00:19:03,098 and transactional way. 482 00:19:03,229 --> 00:19:04,404 He himself describes 483 00:19:04,534 --> 00:19:06,101 the relationship with his father 484 00:19:06,232 --> 00:19:07,189 as businesslike. 485 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:08,495 - To the boys, he says, 486 00:19:08,625 --> 00:19:10,497 "You are killers and you are kings." 487 00:19:10,627 --> 00:19:12,716 ♪ 488 00:19:12,847 --> 00:19:16,198 Fred means "kings by divine right." 489 00:19:16,329 --> 00:19:19,506 There is a sense in the Trump family 490 00:19:19,636 --> 00:19:23,640 that we are genetically superior. 491 00:19:23,771 --> 00:19:25,686 - I think you have a natural ability 492 00:19:25,816 --> 00:19:27,514 at things. I'm a big believer in--in-- 493 00:19:27,644 --> 00:19:30,299 - Nature. - No, n-not nature. 494 00:19:30,430 --> 00:19:31,866 I'm a big believer in natural ability. 495 00:19:31,996 --> 00:19:33,737 Genetically, some people 496 00:19:33,868 --> 00:19:36,436 can handle pressure better than others. 497 00:19:36,566 --> 00:19:39,308 I knew numerous people that committed suicide. 498 00:19:39,439 --> 00:19:41,441 So the one thing I learned about myself, 499 00:19:41,571 --> 00:19:44,313 uh, is that I have a very unique ability 500 00:19:44,444 --> 00:19:46,663 to handle pressure. Honestly, in my opinion, 501 00:19:46,794 --> 00:19:49,623 that's a genetic thing. People don't know about me-- 502 00:19:49,753 --> 00:19:51,538 I have very low blood pressure. 503 00:19:51,668 --> 00:19:52,974 I have the blood pressure of a great athlete. 504 00:19:53,104 --> 00:19:55,629 I have very low blood pressure. 505 00:19:55,759 --> 00:19:57,196 ♪ 506 00:19:57,326 --> 00:19:59,763 - There is a real belief 507 00:19:59,894 --> 00:20:03,202 that Trumps are destined to rule, 508 00:20:03,332 --> 00:20:05,552 and they got the message, 509 00:20:05,682 --> 00:20:08,207 and the message was that you were supposed to prevail 510 00:20:08,337 --> 00:20:09,730 at all costs. 511 00:20:09,860 --> 00:20:11,732 ♪ 512 00:20:11,862 --> 00:20:13,995 - Fred Trump, Jr. would talk 513 00:20:14,125 --> 00:20:16,911 about wanting to go into the family business 514 00:20:17,041 --> 00:20:19,870 because of his admiration for his father, 515 00:20:20,001 --> 00:20:22,743 and was very, very clear 516 00:20:22,873 --> 00:20:27,617 that he wanted to be the next head of the company. 517 00:20:27,748 --> 00:20:29,706 - Donald was not the young man 518 00:20:29,837 --> 00:20:31,447 destined to fulfill 519 00:20:31,578 --> 00:20:34,624 the job of running the Trump Organization. 520 00:20:34,755 --> 00:20:37,801 - But he refused to be ignored. 521 00:20:37,932 --> 00:20:39,847 He was the kid that the family 522 00:20:39,977 --> 00:20:41,849 had to pay attention to, 523 00:20:41,979 --> 00:20:44,504 if only because he was an enormous discipline problem. 524 00:20:44,634 --> 00:20:47,550 ♪ 525 00:20:47,681 --> 00:20:49,726 - Donald and I were cutups in school. 526 00:20:49,857 --> 00:20:52,338 We used to throw spitballs at each other 527 00:20:52,468 --> 00:20:55,602 and play bumper chairs in class, 528 00:20:55,732 --> 00:20:57,952 pull girls' hair, 529 00:20:58,082 --> 00:21:00,694 and that's how come we got detentions, 530 00:21:00,824 --> 00:21:02,826 which I politely nicknamed 531 00:21:02,957 --> 00:21:04,698 as DTs-- 532 00:21:04,828 --> 00:21:07,396 detentions for Donny Trump. 533 00:21:07,527 --> 00:21:10,921 - He was someone who, uh, acted out at school. 534 00:21:11,052 --> 00:21:13,097 - Birthday parties, he would grab the cake 535 00:21:13,228 --> 00:21:14,403 and throw it around. 536 00:21:14,534 --> 00:21:16,884 - He was angry. He would glue 537 00:21:17,014 --> 00:21:19,582 his brothers' and sisters' blocks together. 538 00:21:19,713 --> 00:21:22,498 - He was disliked by many of his teachers. 539 00:21:22,629 --> 00:21:24,108 - Threw erasers around, 540 00:21:24,239 --> 00:21:26,459 actually hit his teacher under the eye with one. 541 00:21:26,589 --> 00:21:29,462 - He took pride in being, uh, this tough guy 542 00:21:29,592 --> 00:21:31,420 who pushed back against other kids, 543 00:21:31,551 --> 00:21:32,943 or against teachers who would try to tell him 544 00:21:33,074 --> 00:21:34,205 what to do. 545 00:21:34,336 --> 00:21:36,338 ♪ 546 00:21:36,469 --> 00:21:38,384 - He was, in short, 547 00:21:38,514 --> 00:21:39,602 a terror. 548 00:21:39,733 --> 00:21:41,691 ♪ 549 00:21:41,822 --> 00:21:43,737 - I was a very, um, rebellious kind of person. 550 00:21:43,867 --> 00:21:45,956 I don't like to talk about it, actually, 551 00:21:46,087 --> 00:21:47,784 but I was a very rebellious person, 552 00:21:47,915 --> 00:21:51,701 and, um, very set in my ways. 553 00:21:51,832 --> 00:21:53,529 - I don't like that guy. 554 00:21:53,660 --> 00:21:54,661 ♪ 555 00:21:54,791 --> 00:21:56,227 - Loved to fight. 556 00:21:56,358 --> 00:21:57,838 I always loved to fight. 557 00:21:57,968 --> 00:21:59,405 All types of fights. 558 00:21:59,535 --> 00:22:00,710 Any kind of fight, I loved it, 559 00:22:00,841 --> 00:22:02,582 including physical, 560 00:22:02,712 --> 00:22:04,323 and I was always the best athlete, 561 00:22:04,453 --> 00:22:05,715 some--something that nobody knew about me. 562 00:22:05,846 --> 00:22:07,543 ♪ 563 00:22:07,674 --> 00:22:08,979 - Okay, throw the ball. 564 00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:11,155 - During this period, "West Side Story" 565 00:22:11,286 --> 00:22:12,809 was big on Broadway, 566 00:22:12,940 --> 00:22:14,463 and was soon to become a movie. 567 00:22:14,594 --> 00:22:16,073 - All right! 568 00:22:16,204 --> 00:22:20,948 ♪ 569 00:22:21,078 --> 00:22:22,993 - The Sharks and the Jets 570 00:22:23,124 --> 00:22:26,867 were in the imaginations of kids in New York City. 571 00:22:26,997 --> 00:22:28,564 - As Donald tells the story, 572 00:22:28,695 --> 00:22:31,175 after he had seen "West Side Story," 573 00:22:31,306 --> 00:22:33,352 he and his buddy 574 00:22:33,482 --> 00:22:34,614 bought themselves some switchblades. 575 00:22:34,744 --> 00:22:36,311 ♪ 576 00:22:36,442 --> 00:22:38,269 - Donald wants everyone to believe 577 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,010 that he's a tough guy. 578 00:22:40,141 --> 00:22:42,404 He promoted this image of himself. 579 00:22:42,535 --> 00:22:44,101 "I'm gonna play with knives. 580 00:22:44,232 --> 00:22:46,843 I'm gonna do things that nobody else does." 581 00:22:46,974 --> 00:22:49,411 He was impossible to control. 582 00:22:49,542 --> 00:22:51,674 ♪ 583 00:22:51,805 --> 00:22:53,894 - Then his dad found the switchblades, 584 00:22:54,024 --> 00:22:55,548 and that was the last straw. 585 00:22:55,678 --> 00:22:57,376 ♪ 586 00:22:57,506 --> 00:23:00,988 - Fred Trump was a man who kept score. 587 00:23:01,118 --> 00:23:03,817 He kept score every time the school called, 588 00:23:03,947 --> 00:23:06,428 every time a letter came home, 589 00:23:06,559 --> 00:23:08,387 every time he found something-- 590 00:23:08,517 --> 00:23:11,259 the knife collection that Donald acquires. 591 00:23:11,390 --> 00:23:13,566 He saw it as a reflection on him. 592 00:23:13,696 --> 00:23:14,828 ♪ 593 00:23:14,958 --> 00:23:16,177 Something must be done 594 00:23:16,307 --> 00:23:17,570 about it, 595 00:23:17,700 --> 00:23:18,962 and his solution 596 00:23:19,093 --> 00:23:20,834 was going to be extreme. 597 00:23:20,964 --> 00:23:26,970 ♪ 598 00:23:27,101 --> 00:23:31,453 ♪ 599 00:23:31,584 --> 00:23:34,413 - At the end of seventh grad, I went away to camp. 600 00:23:34,543 --> 00:23:37,328 Donald went away to do whatever Donald did, 601 00:23:37,459 --> 00:23:39,592 and when I came back in September 602 00:23:39,722 --> 00:23:42,290 with all my friends, I noticed a seat 603 00:23:42,421 --> 00:23:44,510 in homeroom that was not occupied 604 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,512 where Donald usually sat, 605 00:23:46,642 --> 00:23:48,557 and I asked the homeroom teacher, 606 00:23:48,688 --> 00:23:50,037 "Where's Donnie?" 607 00:23:50,167 --> 00:23:53,693 ♪ 608 00:23:53,823 --> 00:23:55,695 - Against his will, Donald Trump 609 00:23:55,825 --> 00:23:58,045 is sent to military school by his father. 610 00:23:58,175 --> 00:23:59,742 In 1959, 611 00:23:59,873 --> 00:24:01,701 he arrives at New York Military Academy 612 00:24:01,831 --> 00:24:04,094 about an hour north of New York City. 613 00:24:04,225 --> 00:24:06,357 He's 13 years old. 614 00:24:06,488 --> 00:24:08,316 - I think that had to be 615 00:24:08,447 --> 00:24:10,492 the most miserable existence 616 00:24:10,623 --> 00:24:12,407 Donald Trump could imagine for himself. 617 00:24:12,538 --> 00:24:13,843 - He has to wear a uniform. 618 00:24:13,974 --> 00:24:15,323 He no longer is driven around 619 00:24:15,454 --> 00:24:17,281 by the family chauffeur. 620 00:24:17,412 --> 00:24:19,153 He is in the dorms with everyone else, 621 00:24:19,283 --> 00:24:21,198 in the barracks. 622 00:24:21,329 --> 00:24:25,246 ♪ 623 00:24:25,376 --> 00:24:28,858 - When I got here, it was "Hello. Good morning. 624 00:24:28,989 --> 00:24:32,079 Now you're in military school, and your life has changed." 625 00:24:32,209 --> 00:24:33,515 - All these normal things that go on 626 00:24:33,646 --> 00:24:35,343 in a normal kid's life-- 627 00:24:35,474 --> 00:24:38,041 they came to a screeching halt. 628 00:24:38,172 --> 00:24:41,828 - Your first year, you were the low man on the totem pole, 629 00:24:41,958 --> 00:24:44,918 and you're responsible for learning new guy rules. 630 00:24:45,048 --> 00:24:46,354 There was mental hazing. 631 00:24:46,485 --> 00:24:48,138 There was physical hazing, 632 00:24:48,269 --> 00:24:50,097 You had to throw yourself against a wall 633 00:24:50,227 --> 00:24:51,664 if an upperclassman came by 634 00:24:51,794 --> 00:24:54,275 and, you know, apologize for being in his way. 635 00:24:54,405 --> 00:24:57,191 You might get, uh, a forearm to the chest. 636 00:24:57,321 --> 00:24:58,758 You might get paddled. 637 00:24:58,888 --> 00:25:00,455 You might get hit with a broomstick, 638 00:25:00,586 --> 00:25:02,022 a couple of right hooks on your shoulder, 639 00:25:02,152 --> 00:25:03,502 two or three upperclassmen 640 00:25:03,632 --> 00:25:05,329 screaming in your face for 15 minutes. 641 00:25:05,460 --> 00:25:07,114 - Before you know it, you're beat up. 642 00:25:07,244 --> 00:25:11,379 ♪ 643 00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:13,163 - Donald went through new guy rules 644 00:25:13,294 --> 00:25:15,383 with Major Ted Dobias. 645 00:25:15,514 --> 00:25:18,125 This is a tough guy. 646 00:25:18,255 --> 00:25:21,215 - He was part of the Allied invasion of Italy, 647 00:25:21,345 --> 00:25:22,608 and at the end of the war, 648 00:25:22,738 --> 00:25:26,046 saw Mussolini swinging from a noose. 649 00:25:26,176 --> 00:25:28,483 - They used to come here. They were 650 00:25:28,614 --> 00:25:31,268 flunkies-- they call them flunkies-- 651 00:25:31,399 --> 00:25:34,228 and they grew up to be somebody. 652 00:25:34,358 --> 00:25:36,230 ♪ 653 00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:39,015 - Donald ran up against Major Dobias 654 00:25:39,146 --> 00:25:41,540 like running into a stone wall. 655 00:25:41,670 --> 00:25:44,238 It's not flexible, 656 00:25:44,368 --> 00:25:47,720 and if Major Dobias would see an attitude, 657 00:25:47,850 --> 00:25:52,115 that attitude ended very, very quickly. 658 00:25:52,246 --> 00:25:53,595 - He was a rough guy, 659 00:25:53,726 --> 00:25:56,293 physically rough and mentally rough. 660 00:25:56,424 --> 00:25:58,295 In those days, they'd smack the hell out of you, 661 00:25:58,426 --> 00:25:59,601 really getting in your face, 662 00:25:59,732 --> 00:26:01,647 I mean, like, big-league. 663 00:26:01,777 --> 00:26:05,607 He said things like "Stand up," 664 00:26:05,738 --> 00:26:07,261 and I'm going, "Heh, 665 00:26:07,391 --> 00:26:09,002 give me a [bleep] break." 666 00:26:09,132 --> 00:26:10,438 - [laughs] - And this guy came at me-- 667 00:26:10,569 --> 00:26:12,222 you would never believe it. 668 00:26:12,353 --> 00:26:14,529 These were guys that didn't take [bleep]. 669 00:26:14,660 --> 00:26:16,096 ♪ 670 00:26:16,226 --> 00:26:17,401 You could go two ways: 671 00:26:17,532 --> 00:26:18,620 you can fight the system. 672 00:26:18,751 --> 00:26:20,622 You're not gonna win, 673 00:26:20,753 --> 00:26:22,276 'cause you're not gonna beat guys like this. 674 00:26:22,406 --> 00:26:24,452 - Right. - Or you can acclimate 675 00:26:24,583 --> 00:26:25,975 and deal with the system 676 00:26:26,106 --> 00:26:28,195 and evolve in the system, 677 00:26:28,325 --> 00:26:30,023 and I did that. 678 00:26:30,153 --> 00:26:34,201 ♪ 679 00:26:34,331 --> 00:26:37,247 - Theodore Dobias was a taskmaster 680 00:26:37,378 --> 00:26:39,206 far beyond anything 681 00:26:39,336 --> 00:26:41,164 that Donald had seen from Fred Trump, 682 00:26:41,295 --> 00:26:44,298 and yet, he kind of takes to it. 683 00:26:44,428 --> 00:26:47,214 He liked the discipline. He enjoys the hierarchy. 684 00:26:47,344 --> 00:26:49,085 He didn't like being bossed around-- 685 00:26:49,216 --> 00:26:50,173 he never had-- 686 00:26:50,304 --> 00:26:51,610 but he liked the idea 687 00:26:51,740 --> 00:26:53,263 that the kids who were on the receiving end 688 00:26:53,394 --> 00:26:54,656 of all of that aggression 689 00:26:54,787 --> 00:26:56,527 would, in fairly short order, 690 00:26:56,658 --> 00:26:59,269 get to deliver it themselves. 691 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,621 - For Donald, the idea was to play the game 692 00:27:02,751 --> 00:27:04,840 and win the game, turn around, 693 00:27:04,971 --> 00:27:07,190 and set the terms yourself. 694 00:27:07,321 --> 00:27:10,324 He literally bowed and scraped 695 00:27:10,454 --> 00:27:12,326 before Ted Dobias 696 00:27:12,456 --> 00:27:13,980 in order to win his favor, 697 00:27:14,110 --> 00:27:15,938 and he discovered that it worked. 698 00:27:16,069 --> 00:27:18,158 ♪ 699 00:27:18,288 --> 00:27:21,422 It was Donald who wound up an officer. 700 00:27:21,552 --> 00:27:23,337 ♪ 701 00:27:23,467 --> 00:27:25,121 - You know, I went in there as a wise guy. 702 00:27:25,252 --> 00:27:26,688 - You were little. You were 13 years old. 703 00:27:26,819 --> 00:27:29,256 - 13, but I went in as a wise guy 704 00:27:29,386 --> 00:27:33,129 that... was a little difficult. 705 00:27:33,260 --> 00:27:35,044 By the time I graduated, I was, like, 706 00:27:35,175 --> 00:27:36,959 top of the military heap. 707 00:27:37,090 --> 00:27:40,136 ♪ 708 00:27:40,267 --> 00:27:41,964 - Every year, 709 00:27:42,095 --> 00:27:44,401 we would send a certain number of cadets 710 00:27:44,532 --> 00:27:47,230 down to New York to march in the Columbus Day parade. 711 00:27:47,361 --> 00:27:53,019 ♪ 712 00:27:53,149 --> 00:27:54,542 - So on Columbus Day, 1963, 713 00:27:54,673 --> 00:27:57,066 Donald Trump led the parade. 714 00:27:57,197 --> 00:28:00,504 ♪ 715 00:28:00,635 --> 00:28:03,551 - In Trump's mind, this return to the city 716 00:28:03,682 --> 00:28:05,858 and having, clearly, a position of authority-- 717 00:28:05,988 --> 00:28:08,295 this is a bit of a retort to his father 718 00:28:08,425 --> 00:28:09,557 and a chance to say to his father, 719 00:28:09,688 --> 00:28:12,038 "Look what I've become. 720 00:28:12,168 --> 00:28:14,214 "You thought that you needed to send me away 721 00:28:14,344 --> 00:28:16,520 "because I wasn't heading down the right road. 722 00:28:16,651 --> 00:28:19,175 "Look what I've become. Look what I can do. 723 00:28:19,306 --> 00:28:21,221 "Look how I can lead. Look how I can be that winner 724 00:28:21,351 --> 00:28:22,483 that you demanded." 725 00:28:22,613 --> 00:28:24,180 ♪ 726 00:28:24,311 --> 00:28:26,226 It was a way of taking that step 727 00:28:26,356 --> 00:28:28,097 into Manhattan, of going where his father 728 00:28:28,228 --> 00:28:30,273 would not go, 729 00:28:30,404 --> 00:28:32,101 and he was determined to show 730 00:28:32,232 --> 00:28:34,321 that he could take the family and its legacy 731 00:28:34,451 --> 00:28:36,279 to a new, tougher, higher place. 732 00:28:36,410 --> 00:28:38,194 ♪ 733 00:28:38,325 --> 00:28:40,196 - One of the tactical offices at the time 734 00:28:40,327 --> 00:28:43,983 was a man named Colonel Anthony "Ace" Castellano. 735 00:28:44,113 --> 00:28:46,115 As they were walking up the street, 736 00:28:46,246 --> 00:28:48,074 Donald looked over, 737 00:28:48,204 --> 00:28:50,206 and he goes, "You know, Ace, I'd really like to own 738 00:28:50,337 --> 00:28:51,468 some of this property someday." 739 00:28:51,599 --> 00:29:00,086 ♪ 740 00:29:00,216 --> 00:29:02,741 - My father was a very good builder... 741 00:29:02,871 --> 00:29:04,525 - Mm-hmm. 742 00:29:04,655 --> 00:29:05,787 - And he really did a good job. 743 00:29:05,918 --> 00:29:07,528 He would build a building, 744 00:29:07,658 --> 00:29:09,182 and next door, they'd build a building, 745 00:29:09,312 --> 00:29:11,314 and my father's houses were better... 746 00:29:11,445 --> 00:29:12,533 ♪ 747 00:29:12,663 --> 00:29:14,622 And he'd build them cheaper, 748 00:29:14,753 --> 00:29:17,494 so he'd spend less money building a better house, 749 00:29:17,625 --> 00:29:20,019 and he'd sell it for more. 750 00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:23,022 ♪ 751 00:29:23,152 --> 00:29:24,937 - In the mid-1960s, 752 00:29:25,067 --> 00:29:27,678 Fred Trump starts to think at this point, 753 00:29:27,809 --> 00:29:29,506 about moving beyond 754 00:29:29,637 --> 00:29:32,118 more modestly-sized projects 755 00:29:32,248 --> 00:29:34,642 and build on a scale 756 00:29:34,773 --> 00:29:36,992 unlike anything Fred Trump has built before, 757 00:29:37,123 --> 00:29:38,602 named Trump Village. 758 00:29:38,733 --> 00:29:42,781 ♪ 759 00:29:42,911 --> 00:29:43,782 - Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. 760 00:29:43,912 --> 00:29:45,218 Wait a minute. Hold it. 761 00:29:45,348 --> 00:29:47,133 Trump Village, a middle-income co-op 762 00:29:47,263 --> 00:29:49,744 in Coney Island, housing 2,800 families. 763 00:29:49,875 --> 00:29:53,182 ♪ 764 00:29:53,313 --> 00:29:54,836 - Trump Village Apartments. 765 00:29:54,967 --> 00:29:56,707 How do you get in here? 766 00:29:56,838 --> 00:29:58,840 - [indistinct] Move it. - Is it worth waiting? 767 00:29:58,971 --> 00:30:00,494 - Yes. My mother lives 768 00:30:00,624 --> 00:30:02,278 in a terrible apartment. 769 00:30:02,409 --> 00:30:03,627 - They say it will take six or seven years, 770 00:30:03,758 --> 00:30:04,846 or maybe eight. 771 00:30:04,977 --> 00:30:08,154 - Well, I'll take that chance. 772 00:30:08,284 --> 00:30:10,678 - This is a project that ends up 773 00:30:10,809 --> 00:30:12,985 being far greater in scope 774 00:30:13,115 --> 00:30:14,725 than anything he's done before. 775 00:30:14,856 --> 00:30:16,553 His previous projects-- 776 00:30:16,684 --> 00:30:19,818 the buildings were, at most, five, six stories, 777 00:30:19,948 --> 00:30:22,472 and here, he really sets his sights much higher, 778 00:30:22,603 --> 00:30:23,560 literally... 779 00:30:23,691 --> 00:30:24,910 ♪ 780 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,173 And it's also the first time 781 00:30:27,303 --> 00:30:28,435 that Fred Trump 782 00:30:28,565 --> 00:30:30,045 labels a project 783 00:30:30,176 --> 00:30:31,960 clearly with the family name. 784 00:30:32,091 --> 00:30:33,614 ♪ 785 00:30:33,744 --> 00:30:34,876 - Trump Village would emerge 786 00:30:35,007 --> 00:30:36,573 as one of Fred Trump's 787 00:30:36,704 --> 00:30:39,576 greatest public successes, 788 00:30:39,707 --> 00:30:40,969 but ironically, 789 00:30:41,100 --> 00:30:42,666 it also was gonna be the source 790 00:30:42,797 --> 00:30:44,843 of one of his greatest public humiliations. 791 00:30:44,973 --> 00:30:47,106 ♪ 792 00:30:47,236 --> 00:30:48,890 In 1966, 793 00:30:49,021 --> 00:30:50,892 New York State began probing 794 00:30:51,023 --> 00:30:53,852 into what was going on at Trump Village. 795 00:30:53,982 --> 00:30:56,202 - Fred Trump is hauled in for questioning 796 00:30:56,332 --> 00:30:58,160 for misusing funds, 797 00:30:58,291 --> 00:30:59,901 over-billing the government 798 00:31:00,032 --> 00:31:01,511 for equipment, for services, 799 00:31:01,642 --> 00:31:04,906 related to Trump Village. 800 00:31:05,037 --> 00:31:07,169 - It includes him charging the state 801 00:31:07,300 --> 00:31:10,433 about $8,000 apiece for tile scrapers 802 00:31:10,564 --> 00:31:12,348 that normally cost $500. 803 00:31:12,479 --> 00:31:13,523 ♪ 804 00:31:13,654 --> 00:31:14,698 More glaringly, 805 00:31:14,829 --> 00:31:17,092 he overcharges the state 806 00:31:17,223 --> 00:31:21,009 for about $6.6 million in fees. 807 00:31:21,140 --> 00:31:23,794 The net result is it's very clear 808 00:31:23,925 --> 00:31:26,232 Fred Trump is gouging 809 00:31:26,362 --> 00:31:27,711 the state of New York 810 00:31:27,842 --> 00:31:29,061 and New York residents 811 00:31:29,191 --> 00:31:30,671 to line his own pockets. 812 00:31:30,801 --> 00:31:32,803 One of the commissioners finally says, 813 00:31:32,934 --> 00:31:34,805 "Is there any way 814 00:31:34,936 --> 00:31:37,069 "we can prevent someone like this 815 00:31:37,199 --> 00:31:39,854 from ever getting a state contract again?" 816 00:31:39,985 --> 00:31:47,122 ♪ 817 00:31:47,253 --> 00:31:49,995 - Here he is, the patriarch of the family, 818 00:31:50,125 --> 00:31:52,127 somebody they looked up to. 819 00:31:52,258 --> 00:31:55,826 To have him being publicly called out like that 820 00:31:55,957 --> 00:31:58,829 was extremely embarrassing to them. 821 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,049 - Neighbors, schoolmates-- 822 00:32:01,180 --> 00:32:02,790 people were asking questions, 823 00:32:02,921 --> 00:32:04,183 that they were seen 824 00:32:04,313 --> 00:32:07,142 as unpatriotic, possibly criminal. 825 00:32:07,273 --> 00:32:10,929 - The 1966 state investigation 826 00:32:11,059 --> 00:32:12,800 really had a-- 827 00:32:12,931 --> 00:32:14,976 I would say a devastating impact 828 00:32:15,107 --> 00:32:16,543 on Fred Trump. 829 00:32:16,673 --> 00:32:18,023 ♪ 830 00:32:18,153 --> 00:32:19,807 Trump Village really becomes 831 00:32:19,938 --> 00:32:21,417 the last significant project 832 00:32:21,548 --> 00:32:22,549 that he builds. 833 00:32:22,679 --> 00:32:24,812 ♪ 834 00:32:24,943 --> 00:32:27,946 - Fred spent three decades building his company, 835 00:32:28,076 --> 00:32:30,122 and he was now looking for an heir 836 00:32:30,252 --> 00:32:31,775 who he felt was worthy 837 00:32:31,906 --> 00:32:33,038 of inheriting that mantle 838 00:32:33,168 --> 00:32:35,910 and moving the company forward, 839 00:32:36,041 --> 00:32:37,825 but when Donald graduates from college, 840 00:32:37,956 --> 00:32:40,001 the expectation is that he's gonna join 841 00:32:40,132 --> 00:32:41,220 the family business 842 00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:42,873 to work first for his father, 843 00:32:43,004 --> 00:32:44,179 and then, eventually, 844 00:32:44,310 --> 00:32:45,876 for his brother Fred, 845 00:32:46,007 --> 00:32:47,400 who is considered the heir apparent. 846 00:32:47,530 --> 00:32:48,967 ♪ 847 00:32:49,097 --> 00:32:50,011 - I think that what Fred expected 848 00:32:50,142 --> 00:32:51,708 of Fred Jr. 849 00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:52,796 was something, that it was-- 850 00:32:52,927 --> 00:32:54,189 it was almost a, um-- 851 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:55,669 a classical king's approach 852 00:32:55,799 --> 00:32:56,887 to raising sons. 853 00:32:57,018 --> 00:32:58,846 "If this son is worthy of me, 854 00:32:58,977 --> 00:33:00,761 he can rise to the throne." 855 00:33:00,891 --> 00:33:02,545 Uh, not every son is going to thrive 856 00:33:02,676 --> 00:33:03,590 in that kind of environment. 857 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,158 ♪ 858 00:33:06,288 --> 00:33:08,812 - There was a nervous quality about Fred. 859 00:33:08,943 --> 00:33:10,510 ♪ 860 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:11,641 He was always on. 861 00:33:11,772 --> 00:33:13,208 ♪ 862 00:33:13,339 --> 00:33:15,819 I wondered, in retrospect, 863 00:33:15,950 --> 00:33:19,998 whether some of his anxiety 864 00:33:20,128 --> 00:33:22,696 was, uh, caused 865 00:33:22,826 --> 00:33:24,045 by the constant pressure 866 00:33:24,176 --> 00:33:26,569 of trying to please his father. 867 00:33:26,700 --> 00:33:28,267 - The point of no return 868 00:33:28,397 --> 00:33:29,964 in his relationship with his father 869 00:33:30,095 --> 00:33:32,053 was the attempted development 870 00:33:32,184 --> 00:33:33,837 of property in Coney Island. 871 00:33:33,968 --> 00:33:38,103 ♪ 872 00:33:38,233 --> 00:33:40,714 - I remember Steeplechase vividly. 873 00:33:40,844 --> 00:33:43,891 It had a--a face with a big smile, 874 00:33:44,022 --> 00:33:45,849 with lots of teeth showing. 875 00:33:45,980 --> 00:33:47,460 It was a happy place. 876 00:33:47,590 --> 00:33:49,723 It was a playground, 877 00:33:49,853 --> 00:33:51,159 and it was a reminder 878 00:33:51,290 --> 00:33:53,031 that Coney Island was this haven 879 00:33:53,161 --> 00:33:54,945 for people in New York. 880 00:33:55,076 --> 00:33:57,687 Off the subways came streamig a million people 881 00:33:57,818 --> 00:33:59,211 on a weekend. 882 00:33:59,341 --> 00:34:01,517 A million people coming to Coney Island, 883 00:34:01,648 --> 00:34:02,997 and many of them were coming to Steeplechase. 884 00:34:03,128 --> 00:34:05,695 ♪ 885 00:34:05,826 --> 00:34:07,436 - By the '60s, 886 00:34:07,567 --> 00:34:10,222 Coney Island is in decline, 887 00:34:10,351 --> 00:34:13,920 so Fred Trump buys the Steeplechase very quickl, 888 00:34:14,052 --> 00:34:15,966 largely under the radar 889 00:34:16,097 --> 00:34:18,447 of the folks in Coney Island. 890 00:34:18,578 --> 00:34:21,668 He wants to build housing there. 891 00:34:21,797 --> 00:34:24,540 Problem is, Fred Trump fails to get 892 00:34:24,670 --> 00:34:26,237 the necessary zoning change 893 00:34:26,368 --> 00:34:28,630 that would enable him to build this housing. 894 00:34:28,762 --> 00:34:30,938 ♪ 895 00:34:31,069 --> 00:34:32,547 The business community 896 00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:34,289 in Coney Island 897 00:34:34,420 --> 00:34:38,989 is desperate to have Steeplechase preserved. 898 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,949 Fred Trump knew that if it got landmarked, 899 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,690 uh, there was nothing much more he could do with the site. 900 00:34:44,821 --> 00:34:46,780 ♪ 901 00:34:46,909 --> 00:34:50,523 - Fred got Fred Jr. involved in accelerating 902 00:34:50,652 --> 00:34:53,003 their demolition of this property 903 00:34:53,134 --> 00:34:55,745 before they had permission to build on it. 904 00:34:55,876 --> 00:34:58,835 Fred Jr. is trying his hardest 905 00:34:58,966 --> 00:35:00,489 to work with his father 906 00:35:00,620 --> 00:35:01,838 to demonstrate that he's 907 00:35:01,969 --> 00:35:03,884 as tough and as smart 908 00:35:04,014 --> 00:35:05,407 as his father. 909 00:35:05,538 --> 00:35:06,843 ♪ 910 00:35:06,974 --> 00:35:08,932 - So Fred Trump organizes 911 00:35:09,063 --> 00:35:11,109 a wrecking party of sorts... 912 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,633 - To celebrate the development of apartments 913 00:35:13,763 --> 00:35:15,243 along the seashore 914 00:35:15,374 --> 00:35:18,203 and the success of the Trump Organization. 915 00:35:18,333 --> 00:35:20,683 - Invites all these people to come 916 00:35:20,814 --> 00:35:22,598 and basically hurl bricks 917 00:35:22,729 --> 00:35:25,471 through the great glass windows, 918 00:35:25,601 --> 00:35:28,691 through the enormous painting on the glass 919 00:35:28,822 --> 00:35:31,085 of the great smiling face 920 00:35:31,216 --> 00:35:32,565 of Steeplechase. 921 00:35:32,695 --> 00:35:34,871 ♪ 922 00:35:35,002 --> 00:35:37,004 - The thought that you would encourage people 923 00:35:37,135 --> 00:35:39,224 to throw bricks, to destroy that smile, 924 00:35:39,354 --> 00:35:41,748 that face that was such an integral part 925 00:35:41,878 --> 00:35:44,011 of growing up in Coney Island-- 926 00:35:44,142 --> 00:35:45,534 I mean, it's unbelievable. 927 00:35:45,665 --> 00:35:52,585 ♪ 928 00:35:54,674 --> 00:35:56,806 In the end, it was a public relations nightmare 929 00:35:56,937 --> 00:35:58,068 for the Trumps. 930 00:35:58,199 --> 00:35:59,679 Fred Jr. could never do 931 00:35:59,809 --> 00:36:00,941 the political work 932 00:36:01,071 --> 00:36:02,899 and the other logistical work 933 00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:05,772 that was required to make the development real, 934 00:36:05,902 --> 00:36:07,774 and the property, even today, 935 00:36:07,904 --> 00:36:10,472 is not the site of any housing. 936 00:36:10,603 --> 00:36:12,953 ♪ 937 00:36:13,083 --> 00:36:16,174 And after the fiasco at Steeplechase, 938 00:36:16,304 --> 00:36:19,438 it was clear to all of the Trumps 939 00:36:19,568 --> 00:36:22,832 that Fred Jr. was not going to fulfill 940 00:36:22,963 --> 00:36:24,834 his father's expectations. 941 00:36:24,965 --> 00:36:26,488 Early in life, 942 00:36:26,619 --> 00:36:28,360 Donald looked up to Fred Jr. 943 00:36:28,490 --> 00:36:29,926 as the big brother. 944 00:36:30,057 --> 00:36:32,407 He was a very charming, 945 00:36:32,538 --> 00:36:34,104 very caring young man... 946 00:36:34,235 --> 00:36:35,976 ♪ 947 00:36:36,106 --> 00:36:39,458 And yet, Donald became very competitive 948 00:36:39,588 --> 00:36:41,199 with Fred Jr. 949 00:36:41,329 --> 00:36:44,767 and really showed him no mercy. 950 00:36:44,898 --> 00:36:46,247 ♪ 951 00:36:46,378 --> 00:36:49,076 - If I were going to make a movie of this, 952 00:36:49,207 --> 00:36:51,861 I would see a younger brother 953 00:36:51,992 --> 00:36:54,516 trying to get primacy in a family. 954 00:36:54,647 --> 00:36:57,084 ♪ 955 00:36:57,215 --> 00:36:58,738 This became 956 00:36:58,868 --> 00:37:00,827 an increasingly terrible situation. 957 00:37:00,957 --> 00:37:02,655 ♪ 958 00:37:02,785 --> 00:37:04,744 Fred Trump would belittle Fred Jr. 959 00:37:04,874 --> 00:37:07,442 In meetings, he would sadistically attack him, 960 00:37:07,573 --> 00:37:08,791 saying "What do you know?" 961 00:37:08,922 --> 00:37:14,667 ♪ 962 00:37:14,797 --> 00:37:16,843 - In the early 1970s, 963 00:37:16,973 --> 00:37:20,107 Fred Sr. takes the fateful move. 964 00:37:20,238 --> 00:37:21,978 He makes Donald president 965 00:37:22,109 --> 00:37:24,938 of the Trump Organization. 966 00:37:25,068 --> 00:37:26,853 What Fred Sr. is communicating here 967 00:37:26,983 --> 00:37:28,942 is unmistakable. 968 00:37:29,072 --> 00:37:30,378 Donald has made it. 969 00:37:30,509 --> 00:37:32,641 He is the future. 970 00:37:32,772 --> 00:37:36,079 Fred Jr. has not made it, 971 00:37:36,210 --> 00:37:37,733 and he's never going to make it. 972 00:37:37,864 --> 00:37:40,083 ♪ 973 00:37:40,214 --> 00:37:42,129 He had talked so much 974 00:37:42,260 --> 00:37:43,870 about working for his dad 975 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,786 and taking over the company. 976 00:37:46,916 --> 00:37:48,483 I think that the father 977 00:37:48,614 --> 00:37:50,093 at some point 978 00:37:50,224 --> 00:37:51,747 decided that Fred 979 00:37:51,878 --> 00:37:53,575 was... a loser. 980 00:37:53,706 --> 00:37:55,098 ♪ 981 00:37:55,229 --> 00:37:57,057 I've gotta believe 982 00:37:57,187 --> 00:37:59,015 that, uh-- 983 00:37:59,146 --> 00:38:01,627 uh, Fred took that rejection 984 00:38:01,757 --> 00:38:03,411 very hard. 985 00:38:03,542 --> 00:38:06,632 ♪ 986 00:38:06,762 --> 00:38:08,982 - Fred essentially drove his son, Fred Jr., 987 00:38:09,112 --> 00:38:10,462 out of the family, 988 00:38:10,592 --> 00:38:12,507 and I think Fred ended up, 989 00:38:12,638 --> 00:38:16,119 uh, a lost soul. 990 00:38:16,250 --> 00:38:17,817 - He had his own dream: 991 00:38:17,947 --> 00:38:20,602 to be a commercial airline pilot. 992 00:38:20,733 --> 00:38:22,822 ♪ 993 00:38:22,952 --> 00:38:26,521 In the end, Fred left the Trump Organization 994 00:38:26,652 --> 00:38:28,393 and went off to train as a pilot. 995 00:38:28,523 --> 00:38:35,574 ♪ 996 00:38:35,704 --> 00:38:37,750 - He was having a tremendous hard time, 997 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,186 and he started drinking, 998 00:38:39,317 --> 00:38:40,622 and he got hooked on alcohol... 999 00:38:40,753 --> 00:38:41,667 ♪ 1000 00:38:41,797 --> 00:38:43,712 And he became 1001 00:38:43,843 --> 00:38:45,888 a very serious alcoholic, 1002 00:38:46,019 --> 00:38:47,629 and it was rough for him. 1003 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:52,678 ♪ 1004 00:38:52,808 --> 00:38:55,507 - I've thought, uh, 1005 00:38:55,637 --> 00:38:58,771 long and hard about Fred's life, 1006 00:38:58,901 --> 00:39:02,949 and, uh, wonder how much of a role 1007 00:39:03,079 --> 00:39:07,127 that, uh, rejection from his father 1008 00:39:07,257 --> 00:39:09,956 may have played in his-- in his sad life. 1009 00:39:10,086 --> 00:39:17,006 ♪ 1010 00:39:18,704 --> 00:39:21,794 - I like to learn from other people's mistakes. 1011 00:39:21,924 --> 00:39:23,709 I like to learn from my mistakes, 1012 00:39:23,839 --> 00:39:25,014 but I like to learn more 1013 00:39:25,145 --> 00:39:26,929 from other people's mistakes, 1014 00:39:27,060 --> 00:39:28,496 because why should I have to make a mistake 1015 00:39:28,627 --> 00:39:29,628 if I can learn from somebody else? 1016 00:39:29,758 --> 00:39:31,151 I've learned so many lessons 1017 00:39:31,281 --> 00:39:33,196 by watching other people make mistakes-- 1018 00:39:33,327 --> 00:39:35,155 some fatal and some not fatal, 1019 00:39:35,285 --> 00:39:37,026 and some not even near-fatal, 1020 00:39:37,157 --> 00:39:39,812 but I study other people's mistakes. 1021 00:39:39,942 --> 00:39:42,597 ♪ 1022 00:39:42,728 --> 00:39:43,946 - Fred Jr. 1023 00:39:44,077 --> 00:39:45,861 did not do much of anything 1024 00:39:45,992 --> 00:39:48,168 the way that his father expected. 1025 00:39:48,298 --> 00:39:50,649 His whole approach to life 1026 00:39:50,779 --> 00:39:53,521 was contrary to the old man's... 1027 00:39:53,652 --> 00:39:55,567 ♪ 1028 00:39:55,697 --> 00:39:58,700 And Donald observed Fred Sr.'s impatience 1029 00:39:58,831 --> 00:40:00,006 with Fred Jr. 1030 00:40:00,136 --> 00:40:01,137 ♪ 1031 00:40:01,268 --> 00:40:04,010 It's identified by him 1032 00:40:04,140 --> 00:40:07,448 as a sign of Fred's weakness. 1033 00:40:07,579 --> 00:40:09,145 Donald's takeaway from this 1034 00:40:09,276 --> 00:40:11,583 is that it's an example 1035 00:40:11,713 --> 00:40:16,109 of what he should never do in his own life, 1036 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:21,157 and he sees, "Here is this big opportunity for me 1037 00:40:21,288 --> 00:40:22,855 that my brother squandered." 1038 00:40:22,985 --> 00:40:27,642 ♪ 1039 00:40:27,773 --> 00:40:29,514 ♪ 1040 00:40:29,644 --> 00:40:30,993 - When I was growing up, 1041 00:40:31,124 --> 00:40:33,256 the signs on the Belt Parkway 1042 00:40:33,387 --> 00:40:35,302 didn't say "To Manhattan." 1043 00:40:35,433 --> 00:40:37,783 They said "To New York City," 1044 00:40:37,913 --> 00:40:39,828 so you had a very strong sense 1045 00:40:39,959 --> 00:40:41,482 that Manhattan 1046 00:40:41,613 --> 00:40:42,614 was New York City, 1047 00:40:42,744 --> 00:40:43,832 and you were not. 1048 00:40:43,963 --> 00:40:45,660 You're in the outer boroughs. 1049 00:40:45,791 --> 00:40:48,446 You grew up with this chip on your shoulder. 1050 00:40:48,576 --> 00:40:50,273 - The city so nice, 1051 00:40:50,404 --> 00:40:52,711 they had to name it twice. 1052 00:40:52,841 --> 00:40:54,930 Well, New York, New York is Manhattan. 1053 00:40:55,061 --> 00:40:56,758 It's the lake in the park. 1054 00:40:56,889 --> 00:40:58,499 It's the skyline after dark. 1055 00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:59,892 It's the Empire State, 1056 00:41:00,022 --> 00:41:01,415 it's the monument to world peace, 1057 00:41:01,546 --> 00:41:02,503 the UN, 1058 00:41:02,634 --> 00:41:05,027 and if you become 1059 00:41:05,158 --> 00:41:07,334 a power broker in Manhattan, 1060 00:41:07,465 --> 00:41:10,424 you are the man. 1061 00:41:10,555 --> 00:41:14,994 ♪ 1062 00:41:15,124 --> 00:41:18,084 - From an early age, Donald Trump knew 1063 00:41:18,214 --> 00:41:19,868 there was more than Queens. 1064 00:41:19,999 --> 00:41:21,609 He felt constricted 1065 00:41:21,740 --> 00:41:23,568 by, uh, his father's world 1066 00:41:23,698 --> 00:41:24,656 of the outer boroughs. 1067 00:41:24,786 --> 00:41:26,614 ♪ 1068 00:41:26,745 --> 00:41:28,790 - Imagine a young Donald Trump. 1069 00:41:28,921 --> 00:41:31,401 He leaves this mansion 1070 00:41:31,532 --> 00:41:33,534 that he lives in with his parents 1071 00:41:33,665 --> 00:41:34,579 in Jamaica Estates 1072 00:41:34,709 --> 00:41:35,710 and every morning, 1073 00:41:35,841 --> 00:41:37,538 makes his way down south 1074 00:41:37,669 --> 00:41:39,061 along Belt Parkway 1075 00:41:39,192 --> 00:41:41,629 to Avenue Z in Brooklyn, 1076 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,023 not far from the waste treatment plant, 1077 00:41:44,153 --> 00:41:46,982 and into the shabby offices 1078 00:41:47,113 --> 00:41:49,898 of the Trump Organization. 1079 00:41:50,029 --> 00:41:51,639 - He was trying so hard 1080 00:41:51,770 --> 00:41:54,033 to get away from being the son 1081 00:41:54,163 --> 00:41:57,993 of a developer from Coney Island, 1082 00:41:58,124 --> 00:41:59,995 a father who operated 1083 00:42:00,126 --> 00:42:01,606 out of a very modest, 1084 00:42:01,736 --> 00:42:03,825 almost trailer-like affair 1085 00:42:03,956 --> 00:42:06,175 filled with cigar store Indians. 1086 00:42:06,306 --> 00:42:12,530 ♪ 1087 00:42:12,660 --> 00:42:14,793 - Donald Trump hated going to that job. 1088 00:42:14,923 --> 00:42:16,838 He was there to collect rents. 1089 00:42:16,969 --> 00:42:19,275 He was there to process the paperwork. 1090 00:42:19,406 --> 00:42:20,842 He was there to check in 1091 00:42:20,973 --> 00:42:23,584 and keep an eye on the contractors. 1092 00:42:23,715 --> 00:42:26,892 This was not where he wanted to be. 1093 00:42:27,022 --> 00:42:28,763 - You're a young guy. - Right. 1094 00:42:28,894 --> 00:42:30,286 - This is early '70s. 1095 00:42:30,417 --> 00:42:32,462 You're barely 30 years old 1096 00:42:32,593 --> 00:42:33,463 when you start this. - Right. 1097 00:42:33,594 --> 00:42:34,639 Younger. Younger. 1098 00:42:34,769 --> 00:42:36,466 - 28. - Yeah. 1099 00:42:36,597 --> 00:42:37,859 - What are you thinking? What are you-- 1100 00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:39,469 are you thinking, "I've really 1101 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,471 got to get into Manhattan"? 1102 00:42:41,602 --> 00:42:43,561 - I worked in Brooklyn for my father. 1103 00:42:43,691 --> 00:42:44,779 ♪ 1104 00:42:44,910 --> 00:42:45,998 You know, I did very well. 1105 00:42:46,128 --> 00:42:47,913 I did a lot, 1106 00:42:48,043 --> 00:42:49,218 but I always wanted to be in Manhattan. 1107 00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:50,916 ♪ 1108 00:42:51,046 --> 00:42:54,049 My father was a very good builder... 1109 00:42:54,180 --> 00:42:55,790 - Mm-hmm. - But he built 1110 00:42:55,921 --> 00:42:57,618 on his own territory. He felt comfortable 1111 00:42:57,749 --> 00:42:59,751 in Brooklyn and Queens. 1112 00:42:59,881 --> 00:43:02,405 He never wanted to enter Manhattan. 1113 00:43:02,536 --> 00:43:03,668 He didn't think it was his place. 1114 00:43:03,798 --> 00:43:05,670 ♪ 1115 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:06,888 - For Donald Trump, 1116 00:43:07,019 --> 00:43:09,587 Manhattan--it's like Oz. 1117 00:43:09,717 --> 00:43:11,850 He's staring across the East River at Oz, 1118 00:43:11,980 --> 00:43:13,416 and he wants a piece of that. 1119 00:43:13,547 --> 00:43:18,596 ♪ 1120 00:43:18,726 --> 00:43:21,642 - And he gets a one-room studio 1121 00:43:21,773 --> 00:43:22,774 and he moves into Manhattan. 1122 00:43:22,904 --> 00:43:23,949 He's gonna become a player. 1123 00:43:24,079 --> 00:43:25,559 - He had his Cadillac convertible 1124 00:43:25,690 --> 00:43:26,778 with personalized license plate, 1125 00:43:26,908 --> 00:43:28,910 "DJT," and he would go bombing 1126 00:43:29,041 --> 00:43:30,520 up and down the avenues, 1127 00:43:30,651 --> 00:43:33,088 looking for properties to buy, 1128 00:43:33,219 --> 00:43:36,483 thinking, you know, "If I could just start small" 1129 00:43:36,614 --> 00:43:37,919 doing in Manhattan what his father had done 1130 00:43:38,050 --> 00:43:39,617 in the outer boroughs. 1131 00:43:39,747 --> 00:43:41,444 Real estate prices were going down, 1132 00:43:41,575 --> 00:43:42,663 and so it was 1133 00:43:42,794 --> 00:43:44,404 open territory 1134 00:43:44,534 --> 00:43:45,927 for a real estate developer 1135 00:43:46,058 --> 00:43:48,277 who was eager to make his mark. 1136 00:43:48,408 --> 00:43:51,933 ♪ 1137 00:43:52,064 --> 00:43:54,414 He was generating and grooming 1138 00:43:54,544 --> 00:43:55,720 this image of himself 1139 00:43:55,850 --> 00:43:58,853 as a playboy millionaire, 1140 00:43:58,984 --> 00:44:00,725 and so he would go out to the clubs 1141 00:44:00,855 --> 00:44:02,465 that were hot at that moment. 1142 00:44:02,596 --> 00:44:03,771 ♪ 1143 00:44:03,902 --> 00:44:05,773 - Le Club was a place 1144 00:44:05,904 --> 00:44:08,384 where you would roll up to the bar 1145 00:44:08,515 --> 00:44:09,864 hoping to meet model, 1146 00:44:09,995 --> 00:44:11,823 so you can see 1147 00:44:11,953 --> 00:44:13,563 that a Donald Trump would be attracted 1148 00:44:13,694 --> 00:44:14,956 to that kind of a scene. 1149 00:44:15,087 --> 00:44:16,610 ♪ 1150 00:44:16,741 --> 00:44:18,046 - I was one of the very first 1151 00:44:18,177 --> 00:44:19,744 female members of Le Club, 1152 00:44:19,874 --> 00:44:21,963 and it was glamorous and fun, 1153 00:44:22,094 --> 00:44:24,357 and they played fabulous music. 1154 00:44:24,487 --> 00:44:26,533 It was the hottest place in town. 1155 00:44:26,664 --> 00:44:29,449 It had a very intimate dance floor. 1156 00:44:29,579 --> 00:44:31,364 All the women were chic 1157 00:44:31,494 --> 00:44:33,496 and well-dressed and the men were handsome, 1158 00:44:33,627 --> 00:44:35,498 wearing either suits or tuxedos, 1159 00:44:35,629 --> 00:44:36,935 and you could really fall in love 1160 00:44:37,065 --> 00:44:38,327 with anybody in this place. 1161 00:44:38,458 --> 00:44:39,894 ♪ 1162 00:44:40,025 --> 00:44:41,679 And I remember one night, 1163 00:44:41,809 --> 00:44:42,941 I went over to the maître d', 1164 00:44:43,071 --> 00:44:44,899 and I said, "who is that man?" 1165 00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:46,640 He said, "He's a new member. 1166 00:44:46,771 --> 00:44:48,555 His name is Donald Trump." 1167 00:44:48,686 --> 00:44:50,818 I thought he was extremely handsome. 1168 00:44:50,949 --> 00:44:52,559 He had a way about him that just 1169 00:44:52,690 --> 00:44:55,736 caught my eye immediately. 1170 00:44:55,867 --> 00:44:57,346 - You went to Le Club. - Le Club, right. 1171 00:44:57,477 --> 00:44:58,957 - The greatest I've ever been to. 1172 00:44:59,087 --> 00:45:01,220 The level of beauty was-- 1173 00:45:01,350 --> 00:45:02,830 Le Club, to me, 1174 00:45:02,961 --> 00:45:04,353 was the greatest club that I've ever 1175 00:45:04,484 --> 00:45:05,964 been associated-- - In the world? 1176 00:45:06,094 --> 00:45:08,270 - I-I've been to every-- I've been everywhere. 1177 00:45:08,401 --> 00:45:09,663 ♪ 1178 00:45:09,794 --> 00:45:11,317 - Trump would hang out there 1179 00:45:11,447 --> 00:45:12,840 in order to be noticed, but also 1180 00:45:12,971 --> 00:45:14,842 to get to know the movers and shakers 1181 00:45:14,973 --> 00:45:16,322 of this new world of Manhattan 1182 00:45:16,452 --> 00:45:18,367 that he was diving into. 1183 00:45:18,498 --> 00:45:20,326 - Donald very much set his sights 1184 00:45:20,456 --> 00:45:22,023 on becoming a player 1185 00:45:22,154 --> 00:45:24,983 in the hierarchy of New York real estate, 1186 00:45:25,113 --> 00:45:26,724 but before he could make his move 1187 00:45:26,854 --> 00:45:28,595 in Manhattan, 1188 00:45:28,726 --> 00:45:30,466 a problem arrived on the doorstep 1189 00:45:30,597 --> 00:45:31,511 of his father. 1190 00:45:31,641 --> 00:45:33,121 ♪ 1191 00:45:33,252 --> 00:45:34,775 The Justice Department filed a lawsuit 1192 00:45:34,906 --> 00:45:36,472 against the Trump Organization, 1193 00:45:36,603 --> 00:45:39,562 alleging that they had discriminated 1194 00:45:39,693 --> 00:45:41,347 against black and Latin families 1195 00:45:41,477 --> 00:45:42,827 wanting to live in the buildings 1196 00:45:42,957 --> 00:45:44,393 that his father had built. 1197 00:45:44,524 --> 00:45:45,699 ♪ 1198 00:45:45,830 --> 00:45:48,571 This was a big problem 1199 00:45:48,702 --> 00:45:51,923 that could jeopardize any deal. 1200 00:45:52,053 --> 00:45:54,099 ♪ 1201 00:45:54,229 --> 00:45:57,058 - The 1973 lawsuit alleges rampant discrimination 1202 00:45:57,189 --> 00:45:59,321 on the part of the Trump Organization. 1203 00:45:59,452 --> 00:46:00,322 We're not talking 1204 00:46:00,453 --> 00:46:01,410 about discrimination 1205 00:46:01,541 --> 00:46:02,672 here and there. 1206 00:46:02,803 --> 00:46:04,936 We're talking about systemic, 1207 00:46:05,066 --> 00:46:07,199 structural discrimination. 1208 00:46:07,329 --> 00:46:11,420 ♪ 1209 00:46:11,551 --> 00:46:13,379 - And this is the kitchen here. 1210 00:46:13,509 --> 00:46:15,337 - I was contacted and asked 1211 00:46:15,468 --> 00:46:17,470 to be a tester 1212 00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:18,732 for the, uh, 1213 00:46:18,863 --> 00:46:20,473 Beach Haven apartments, 1214 00:46:20,603 --> 00:46:23,258 which were owned by Trump Management. 1215 00:46:23,389 --> 00:46:24,869 ♪ 1216 00:46:24,999 --> 00:46:26,609 - There was a sign outside 1217 00:46:26,740 --> 00:46:28,220 that said "Apartment for rent," 1218 00:46:28,350 --> 00:46:29,874 and this articulate, 1219 00:46:30,004 --> 00:46:32,441 well-dressed black man 1220 00:46:32,572 --> 00:46:34,748 had applied for the apartment, 1221 00:46:34,879 --> 00:46:36,489 and the superintendent-- 1222 00:46:36,619 --> 00:46:38,491 he said to the man, 1223 00:46:38,621 --> 00:46:41,711 uh, "I'm sorry, but the apartment is taken." 1224 00:46:41,842 --> 00:46:43,670 - As I remember, there was a gentleman, 1225 00:46:43,801 --> 00:46:44,889 and he said, "I have none to show, 1226 00:46:45,019 --> 00:46:46,194 "because there's nothing 1227 00:46:46,325 --> 00:46:47,935 vacant right now." 1228 00:46:48,066 --> 00:46:49,719 Right after I--I left, 1229 00:46:49,850 --> 00:46:51,983 they sent a white person. 1230 00:46:52,113 --> 00:46:54,507 - The super greeted me with open arms 1231 00:46:54,637 --> 00:46:56,944 like he was just waiting for me, 1232 00:46:57,075 --> 00:46:59,251 and he handed me the lease, 1233 00:46:59,381 --> 00:47:00,600 and I just ran, 1234 00:47:00,730 --> 00:47:02,384 and when I got outside, 1235 00:47:02,515 --> 00:47:04,343 I met up with the commissioner, 1236 00:47:04,473 --> 00:47:06,954 and we walked back into the building, 1237 00:47:07,085 --> 00:47:08,390 and at this point, 1238 00:47:08,521 --> 00:47:09,609 the superintendent-- 1239 00:47:09,739 --> 00:47:11,611 all he could say was, uh, 1240 00:47:11,741 --> 00:47:13,439 "Well, uh, I'm just doing 1241 00:47:13,569 --> 00:47:16,268 what my boss told me to do." 1242 00:47:16,398 --> 00:47:17,660 - You feel outraged. 1243 00:47:17,791 --> 00:47:20,315 You feel insulted. 1244 00:47:20,446 --> 00:47:22,578 I'm a young black man 1245 00:47:22,709 --> 00:47:24,624 who has been to college, 1246 00:47:24,754 --> 00:47:26,800 who has a job, 1247 00:47:26,931 --> 00:47:28,715 so you do feel a sense 1248 00:47:28,846 --> 00:47:30,630 of anger at the fact 1249 00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,458 that society still allows 1250 00:47:32,588 --> 00:47:34,155 this sort of thing to happen. 1251 00:47:34,286 --> 00:47:35,417 ♪ 1252 00:47:35,548 --> 00:47:37,637 - In 1973, 1253 00:47:37,767 --> 00:47:40,292 I went out to Trump Village 1254 00:47:40,422 --> 00:47:41,597 and tried to interview 1255 00:47:41,728 --> 00:47:43,861 as many people as I could... 1256 00:47:43,991 --> 00:47:46,646 ♪ 1257 00:47:46,776 --> 00:47:50,780 And we found out that if a person of color 1258 00:47:50,911 --> 00:47:54,567 did apply to live at Trump Village, 1259 00:47:54,697 --> 00:47:58,179 that on their application would be handwritten 1260 00:47:58,310 --> 00:48:00,442 a big C, for "colored." 1261 00:48:00,573 --> 00:48:02,618 ♪ 1262 00:48:02,749 --> 00:48:04,533 - Those applications 1263 00:48:04,664 --> 00:48:06,361 would then be put in a separate pile, 1264 00:48:06,492 --> 00:48:07,885 and those people 1265 00:48:08,015 --> 00:48:09,277 would be offered 1266 00:48:09,408 --> 00:48:10,931 either no apartment, 1267 00:48:11,062 --> 00:48:12,846 or they'd be offered a lesser apartment 1268 00:48:12,977 --> 00:48:14,979 at a lesser property. 1269 00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:17,503 The Justice Department comes after Donald Trump 1270 00:48:17,633 --> 00:48:19,331 and his father Fred, 1271 00:48:19,461 --> 00:48:21,986 accusing them of racial discrimination. 1272 00:48:22,116 --> 00:48:25,119 - And everyone around him, including his father, 1273 00:48:25,250 --> 00:48:26,338 is saying, 1274 00:48:26,468 --> 00:48:27,643 "Just settle, Donald. 1275 00:48:27,774 --> 00:48:28,862 Nobody beats the federal government." 1276 00:48:28,993 --> 00:48:31,386 ♪ 1277 00:48:31,517 --> 00:48:32,910 - As Donald Trump was deciding 1278 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:34,607 whether to settle the racial bias case 1279 00:48:34,737 --> 00:48:37,001 on behalf of the company and his father, 1280 00:48:37,131 --> 00:48:39,481 he goes into Le Club, 1281 00:48:39,612 --> 00:48:40,743 he walks in, 1282 00:48:40,874 --> 00:48:41,875 and there's a man at a table, 1283 00:48:42,006 --> 00:48:43,442 and that man is Roy Cohn. 1284 00:48:43,572 --> 00:48:45,487 ♪ 1285 00:48:45,618 --> 00:48:48,055 The meeting between Roy Cohn and Donald Trump 1286 00:48:48,186 --> 00:48:50,666 began one of the most important relationships in Trump's life. 1287 00:48:50,797 --> 00:48:53,234 ♪ 1288 00:48:57,412 --> 00:48:59,501 - This fight, I have absolutely total confidence 1289 00:48:59,632 --> 00:49:00,850 is going to be won, 1290 00:49:00,981 --> 00:49:03,592 and won completely and totally. 1291 00:49:03,723 --> 00:49:05,290 - To this day, Roy Cohn is one 1292 00:49:05,420 --> 00:49:08,249 of the most controversial and hated people in America. 1293 00:49:08,380 --> 00:49:11,426 Mention his name, and people will throw things at you. 1294 00:49:11,557 --> 00:49:13,211 ♪ 1295 00:49:13,341 --> 00:49:15,909 - To Donald Trump, Roy Cohn is 1296 00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,433 exactly what his father had called a killer. 1297 00:49:18,564 --> 00:49:20,218 ♪ 1298 00:49:20,348 --> 00:49:23,221 - Donald Trump had two mentors: 1299 00:49:23,351 --> 00:49:26,050 his dad, who taught him 1300 00:49:26,180 --> 00:49:27,877 there are killers and losers, 1301 00:49:28,008 --> 00:49:29,575 and Roy Cohn, who said 1302 00:49:29,705 --> 00:49:31,881 even when you lose, you win. 1303 00:49:32,012 --> 00:49:33,579 Doesn't matter if it l-- you say it's a win 1304 00:49:33,709 --> 00:49:34,623 when it's a loss. 1305 00:49:34,754 --> 00:49:35,885 ♪ 1306 00:49:36,016 --> 00:49:37,583 - Roy Cohn, as a young man, 1307 00:49:37,713 --> 00:49:38,976 was chief counsel 1308 00:49:39,106 --> 00:49:40,934 to Senator Joseph McCarthy. 1309 00:49:41,065 --> 00:49:42,675 ♪ 1310 00:49:42,805 --> 00:49:46,026 McCarthy was the rabble-rousing senator 1311 00:49:46,157 --> 00:49:47,114 from Wisconsin 1312 00:49:47,245 --> 00:49:50,161 who rose to power on a lie. 1313 00:49:50,291 --> 00:49:51,989 - All Senator McCarthy has been trying to do 1314 00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:54,774 is expose the Communists. 1315 00:49:54,904 --> 00:49:58,082 - The lie was that there were hundreds of people 1316 00:49:58,212 --> 00:50:00,736 in the government who were Communist. 1317 00:50:00,867 --> 00:50:02,782 It was all fake. 1318 00:50:02,912 --> 00:50:05,654 ♪ 1319 00:50:05,785 --> 00:50:07,961 - Roy helped Senator McCarthy 1320 00:50:08,092 --> 00:50:10,137 invent things, s-- out of whole cloth, 1321 00:50:10,268 --> 00:50:12,183 invent, you know, Communist conspiracies 1322 00:50:12,313 --> 00:50:13,836 and Communists in the State Department 1323 00:50:13,967 --> 00:50:15,838 and all that. Roy pushed that through. 1324 00:50:15,969 --> 00:50:17,318 - Are you now, or have you ever been, 1325 00:50:17,449 --> 00:50:19,146 a member of the Communist-- - Wait a minute! 1326 00:50:19,277 --> 00:50:20,887 Let me answer the question! - Ask the next question. 1327 00:50:21,018 --> 00:50:21,931 - Are you asking me 1328 00:50:22,062 --> 00:50:23,672 to violate 1329 00:50:23,803 --> 00:50:24,978 the Constitutional guarantee... 1330 00:50:25,109 --> 00:50:26,414 - It does not violate the Constitution 1331 00:50:26,545 --> 00:50:27,937 to answer a question. - It does. 1332 00:50:28,068 --> 00:50:29,113 ♪ 1333 00:50:29,243 --> 00:50:30,810 - Years before Twitter, 1334 00:50:30,940 --> 00:50:33,160 years before cable news, 1335 00:50:33,291 --> 00:50:34,857 Roy knew that he could get headlines, 1336 00:50:34,988 --> 00:50:36,120 he could make allegations, 1337 00:50:36,250 --> 00:50:37,121 and that would stick. 1338 00:50:37,251 --> 00:50:40,950 ♪ 1339 00:50:41,081 --> 00:50:42,996 - But McCarthy and Roy Cohn 1340 00:50:43,127 --> 00:50:44,824 were driven out of Washington 1341 00:50:44,954 --> 00:50:46,913 in an utter state of disgrace 1342 00:50:47,044 --> 00:50:50,699 when they were belittled by Joseph Welch 1343 00:50:50,830 --> 00:50:52,658 in a beautiful moment of American theater 1344 00:50:52,788 --> 00:50:54,312 when he said... 1345 00:50:54,442 --> 00:50:58,751 - Have you no sense of decency, sir? 1346 00:50:58,881 --> 00:51:00,448 At long last, 1347 00:51:00,579 --> 00:51:01,754 have you left 1348 00:51:01,884 --> 00:51:04,017 no sense of decency? 1349 00:51:04,148 --> 00:51:07,760 ♪ 1350 00:51:07,890 --> 00:51:10,676 - When Roy came to New York, 1351 00:51:10,806 --> 00:51:12,852 he played it like a win, 1352 00:51:12,982 --> 00:51:15,028 and he rose to become 1353 00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:16,986 one of the most powerful fixers 1354 00:51:17,117 --> 00:51:19,989 in New York of the 20th century. 1355 00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:21,904 ♪ 1356 00:51:22,035 --> 00:51:24,994 - Roy and Trump met at Le Club, 1357 00:51:25,125 --> 00:51:26,605 which was, in those days, 1358 00:51:26,735 --> 00:51:28,215 the place to be, 1359 00:51:28,346 --> 00:51:29,825 and Donald proceeds to tell him 1360 00:51:29,956 --> 00:51:31,827 that the U.S. Justice Department 1361 00:51:31,958 --> 00:51:35,309 is going after the Trump family really hard 1362 00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:36,919 for discriminating against people 1363 00:51:37,050 --> 00:51:38,791 in their--in the housing they own, 1364 00:51:38,921 --> 00:51:41,098 and everybody's telling Trump, 1365 00:51:41,228 --> 00:51:42,795 "Just settle it." 1366 00:51:42,925 --> 00:51:45,624 Roy is the first one who says to Trump, 1367 00:51:45,754 --> 00:51:47,234 "What are you talking about? 1368 00:51:47,365 --> 00:51:48,975 "Go after the Justice Department. 1369 00:51:49,106 --> 00:51:50,803 "Counter-attack. 1370 00:51:50,933 --> 00:51:53,066 You can win this." 1371 00:51:53,197 --> 00:51:55,155 - Roy Cohn was a great lawyer. 1372 00:51:55,286 --> 00:51:56,852 You talk about a controversial guy. 1373 00:51:56,983 --> 00:51:58,463 I mean, he was a controversial guy. 1374 00:51:58,593 --> 00:52:00,117 - Unbelievable. - But if he was your friend, 1375 00:52:00,247 --> 00:52:02,902 he would fight to the death. 1376 00:52:03,032 --> 00:52:04,991 - Did you know his reputation? 1377 00:52:05,122 --> 00:52:06,601 - I-I-I did, but his reputation 1378 00:52:06,732 --> 00:52:08,342 was tough. I needed a tough lawyer. 1379 00:52:08,473 --> 00:52:09,778 You know, I was dealing with tough people, 1380 00:52:09,909 --> 00:52:11,084 and Roy was very good, 1381 00:52:11,215 --> 00:52:13,869 and Roy, for me, did a great job. 1382 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:19,048 ♪ 1383 00:52:19,179 --> 00:52:21,094 - Donald and Fred Trump, 1384 00:52:21,225 --> 00:52:22,922 along with Roy Cohn, 1385 00:52:23,052 --> 00:52:25,664 called a press conference. 1386 00:52:25,794 --> 00:52:27,187 - He did something preposterous, 1387 00:52:27,318 --> 00:52:28,536 which is they said 1388 00:52:28,667 --> 00:52:30,059 that they were suing 1389 00:52:30,190 --> 00:52:31,713 the Justice Department 1390 00:52:31,844 --> 00:52:32,758 for defamation. 1391 00:52:32,888 --> 00:52:39,330 ♪ 1392 00:52:39,460 --> 00:52:41,941 - Donald says "This isn't about racism. 1393 00:52:42,071 --> 00:52:43,725 "I don't want them in there 1394 00:52:43,856 --> 00:52:45,423 because they're all welfare recipients." 1395 00:52:45,553 --> 00:52:47,990 - Nothing could be further from the truth. 1396 00:52:48,121 --> 00:52:51,255 It was just a made-up story. 1397 00:52:51,385 --> 00:52:53,996 - He knew it was an effective public statement 1398 00:52:54,127 --> 00:52:56,782 to make to spin the public debate 1399 00:52:56,912 --> 00:52:58,087 in a different way. 1400 00:52:58,218 --> 00:52:59,088 This was all Roy Cohn. 1401 00:52:59,219 --> 00:53:00,916 It's Roy Cohn 1402 00:53:01,047 --> 00:53:03,832 who's got Trump at his knee, 1403 00:53:03,963 --> 00:53:05,573 telling him how the world works. 1404 00:53:05,704 --> 00:53:07,227 ♪ 1405 00:53:07,358 --> 00:53:10,970 - Roy understood how to generate news 1406 00:53:11,100 --> 00:53:12,841 and how the media worked, 1407 00:53:12,972 --> 00:53:14,582 and he understood the interplay 1408 00:53:14,713 --> 00:53:16,236 between public events 1409 00:53:16,367 --> 00:53:17,629 and media coverage. 1410 00:53:17,759 --> 00:53:18,804 ♪ 1411 00:53:18,934 --> 00:53:20,284 Trump marveled 1412 00:53:20,414 --> 00:53:21,850 at Cohn's understanding 1413 00:53:21,981 --> 00:53:24,766 of how to sell an idea, 1414 00:53:24,897 --> 00:53:26,159 both his legal tactics 1415 00:53:26,290 --> 00:53:27,856 and the coverage of the matters 1416 00:53:27,987 --> 00:53:29,162 in which he was involved. 1417 00:53:29,293 --> 00:53:31,643 ♪ 1418 00:53:31,773 --> 00:53:32,948 - I remember 1419 00:53:33,079 --> 00:53:34,907 the first big argument 1420 00:53:35,037 --> 00:53:36,300 in court. 1421 00:53:36,430 --> 00:53:38,606 Roy Cohn speaks, 1422 00:53:38,737 --> 00:53:40,086 uninterrupted, 1423 00:53:40,217 --> 00:53:43,176 for 45 minutes. 1424 00:53:43,307 --> 00:53:45,874 Donald Trump was very flippant, 1425 00:53:46,005 --> 00:53:47,702 and one of his comments 1426 00:53:47,833 --> 00:53:49,922 during one of the breaks was, you know, 1427 00:53:50,052 --> 00:53:52,185 "You don't want to live with them, either." 1428 00:53:52,316 --> 00:53:54,840 ♪ 1429 00:53:54,970 --> 00:53:56,233 - Roy assures Donald 1430 00:53:56,363 --> 00:53:57,930 that they can go into this and win. 1431 00:53:58,060 --> 00:53:59,714 They don't. 1432 00:53:59,845 --> 00:54:01,020 They lose. They have to settle 1433 00:54:01,150 --> 00:54:03,109 with the federal government. 1434 00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:05,067 - The Trump Organization-- 1435 00:54:05,198 --> 00:54:06,939 they say, "We didn't admit guilt. 1436 00:54:07,069 --> 00:54:09,855 "We didn't say that we did anything wrong. 1437 00:54:09,985 --> 00:54:11,248 "We settled with the Justice Department 1438 00:54:11,378 --> 00:54:13,162 just to make it go away." 1439 00:54:13,293 --> 00:54:15,991 To this day, you know, 1440 00:54:16,122 --> 00:54:17,210 you ask Donald Trump about that, 1441 00:54:17,341 --> 00:54:18,820 and he says, "Well, we won that." 1442 00:54:18,951 --> 00:54:20,213 ♪ 1443 00:54:20,344 --> 00:54:22,433 - Of course, that's not true. 1444 00:54:22,563 --> 00:54:25,218 It was a big victory for the Justice Department. 1445 00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:27,220 ♪ 1446 00:54:27,351 --> 00:54:29,004 - I think that case, you know, to this day, 1447 00:54:29,135 --> 00:54:31,311 is in--in Trump's mind. 1448 00:54:31,442 --> 00:54:34,358 He hated being accused of discrimination. 1449 00:54:34,488 --> 00:54:35,924 He hated the idea of the government 1450 00:54:36,055 --> 00:54:36,925 going after him and his father... 1451 00:54:37,056 --> 00:54:38,971 ♪ 1452 00:54:39,101 --> 00:54:40,146 And he holds animus towards the government 1453 00:54:40,277 --> 00:54:41,626 to this day. 1454 00:54:41,756 --> 00:54:48,981 ♪ 1455 00:54:49,111 --> 00:54:51,853 [sirens blaring] 1456 00:54:51,984 --> 00:54:53,942 - Standard & Poor's bond rating service 1457 00:54:54,073 --> 00:54:56,162 said today it is absolutely certain 1458 00:54:56,293 --> 00:54:58,251 that New York City will default on its debt. 1459 00:54:58,382 --> 00:55:00,035 - President Ford has been against 1460 00:55:00,166 --> 00:55:01,776 federal help for New York, 1461 00:55:01,907 --> 00:55:03,952 saying it would establish a costly precedent. 1462 00:55:04,083 --> 00:55:06,390 - Default if you must, 1463 00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,436 but don't expect help from the federal government. 1464 00:55:09,567 --> 00:55:11,699 - People were fleeing the city, 1465 00:55:11,830 --> 00:55:14,093 and that was when Ford said "Drop dead," 1466 00:55:14,223 --> 00:55:15,355 the famous article. - Right. 1467 00:55:15,486 --> 00:55:16,704 - Yeah. - You know, it wasn't, 1468 00:55:16,835 --> 00:55:18,315 like, that competitive. 1469 00:55:18,445 --> 00:55:20,055 I was wanting to come in, and other people 1470 00:55:20,186 --> 00:55:21,361 were afraid to touch it. - Going the other way. 1471 00:55:21,492 --> 00:55:22,754 - Everybody was on the sidelines 1472 00:55:22,884 --> 00:55:24,364 - They were all gone or bust, 1473 00:55:24,495 --> 00:55:26,105 and--and the city was doing terribly. 1474 00:55:26,235 --> 00:55:27,802 Crime was through the roof. 1475 00:55:27,933 --> 00:55:29,978 [sighs] I didn't think about it, 1476 00:55:30,109 --> 00:55:31,893 because I was counter to the market. 1477 00:55:32,024 --> 00:55:33,460 I was very counter to the-- - Yeah. 1478 00:55:33,591 --> 00:55:34,809 - I've always been counterintuitive. 1479 00:55:34,940 --> 00:55:38,987 ♪ 1480 00:55:39,118 --> 00:55:40,728 - The Manhattan that Donald Trump 1481 00:55:40,859 --> 00:55:43,209 crossed the bridge to fulfill his dreams 1482 00:55:43,340 --> 00:55:45,298 was a Manhattan in pretty sorry shape. 1483 00:55:45,429 --> 00:55:46,778 ♪ 1484 00:55:46,908 --> 00:55:48,954 - Crime was at record height. 1485 00:55:49,084 --> 00:55:51,173 People were afraid. 1486 00:55:51,304 --> 00:55:54,394 The city was near bankruptcy. 1487 00:55:54,525 --> 00:55:56,222 I wrote the column for the "Daily News," 1488 00:55:56,353 --> 00:55:57,963 writing about New York. 1489 00:55:58,093 --> 00:56:00,095 The attitude in New York 1490 00:56:00,226 --> 00:56:01,967 was a depressing attitude. 1491 00:56:02,097 --> 00:56:03,838 It was a feeling that, 1492 00:56:03,969 --> 00:56:05,666 "Oh, my God, this city's really in danger." 1493 00:56:05,797 --> 00:56:08,626 ♪ 1494 00:56:08,756 --> 00:56:10,279 - In other news, the Penn Central, 1495 00:56:10,410 --> 00:56:11,280 which has been running in the red 1496 00:56:11,411 --> 00:56:13,065 for a long time now, 1497 00:56:13,195 --> 00:56:15,415 decided today to sell off some choice real estate, 1498 00:56:15,546 --> 00:56:18,113 including ten blocks in downtown Manhattan. 1499 00:56:18,244 --> 00:56:21,595 They hope to bring in about $1 billion in the deal. 1500 00:56:21,726 --> 00:56:24,163 ♪ 1501 00:56:24,293 --> 00:56:25,991 - Penn Central--most people thought of it 1502 00:56:26,121 --> 00:56:27,645 as two railroad companies, 1503 00:56:27,775 --> 00:56:28,776 but it was really 1504 00:56:28,907 --> 00:56:30,691 a landowning company 1505 00:56:30,822 --> 00:56:32,389 that happened to have some railroads. 1506 00:56:32,519 --> 00:56:35,043 - Railyards were on the market. 1507 00:56:35,174 --> 00:56:37,132 Grand Central was on the market, 1508 00:56:37,263 --> 00:56:39,178 and even hotel companies. 1509 00:56:39,308 --> 00:56:40,658 It was more or less 1510 00:56:40,788 --> 00:56:41,833 a fire sale. 1511 00:56:41,963 --> 00:56:43,704 ♪ 1512 00:56:43,835 --> 00:56:45,140 - Donald Trump stumbles 1513 00:56:45,271 --> 00:56:46,925 upon an announcement in the press 1514 00:56:47,055 --> 00:56:49,754 that the Commodore Hotel, one of the grand old 1515 00:56:49,884 --> 00:56:52,017 hotel properties of Manhattan, 1516 00:56:52,147 --> 00:56:54,280 is sitting there, unwanted. 1517 00:56:54,411 --> 00:56:56,717 - So it was a big deal 1518 00:56:56,848 --> 00:56:59,720 when Donald said he was gonna restore 1519 00:56:59,851 --> 00:57:02,462 a cruddy hotel on 42nd Street. 1520 00:57:02,593 --> 00:57:05,900 - At a time when New Yorkers were reeling, 1521 00:57:06,031 --> 00:57:07,902 were insecure, were frightened, 1522 00:57:08,033 --> 00:57:09,991 here's Donald Trump on the scene, 1523 00:57:10,122 --> 00:57:12,820 bold, optimistic. 1524 00:57:12,951 --> 00:57:14,953 He was kind of a rare 1525 00:57:15,083 --> 00:57:16,215 ray of light 1526 00:57:16,345 --> 00:57:18,130 in a--in a pretty dark scene. 1527 00:57:18,260 --> 00:57:19,914 ♪ 1528 00:57:20,045 --> 00:57:21,873 - He began to play all the players 1529 00:57:22,003 --> 00:57:24,005 against each other. 1530 00:57:24,136 --> 00:57:26,965 To get the property, he went to Penn Central and said, 1531 00:57:27,095 --> 00:57:29,663 "Hey, look, I have the agreement of Hyatt, 1532 00:57:29,794 --> 00:57:31,360 "and they're gonna make this a Hyatt hotel, 1533 00:57:31,491 --> 00:57:33,362 so you should give it to me. I'll renovate it." 1534 00:57:33,493 --> 00:57:34,842 He didn't have the agreement of Hyatt, 1535 00:57:34,973 --> 00:57:36,235 but he said he did. 1536 00:57:36,365 --> 00:57:37,976 Then he went to Hyatt and said, 1537 00:57:38,106 --> 00:57:39,673 "Hey, I'm the one with the control 1538 00:57:39,804 --> 00:57:41,066 of the property from Penn Central," 1539 00:57:41,196 --> 00:57:42,371 which he didn't have. 1540 00:57:42,502 --> 00:57:44,373 They each bought the story, 1541 00:57:44,504 --> 00:57:46,637 so now he had both the land 1542 00:57:46,767 --> 00:57:48,073 and the name Hyatt 1543 00:57:48,203 --> 00:57:49,117 and their cooperation. 1544 00:57:49,248 --> 00:57:50,902 ♪ 1545 00:57:51,032 --> 00:57:53,208 Now he needed money. 1546 00:57:53,339 --> 00:57:56,168 He goes to the bank and says, "Hey, I've got 1547 00:57:56,298 --> 00:57:58,083 this tax abatement from the government." 1548 00:57:58,213 --> 00:57:59,214 He didn't have it at that point, 1549 00:57:59,345 --> 00:58:00,999 but he persuaded the bank 1550 00:58:01,129 --> 00:58:02,696 that he did, 1551 00:58:02,827 --> 00:58:04,655 in the ultimate showman kind of way. 1552 00:58:04,785 --> 00:58:07,179 He was being part operator, 1553 00:58:07,309 --> 00:58:09,529 part savvy businessman. 1554 00:58:09,660 --> 00:58:12,706 ♪ 1555 00:58:12,837 --> 00:58:15,622 - Donald Trump came in to see me, 1556 00:58:15,753 --> 00:58:17,755 and he wanted me to exempt his hotel 1557 00:58:17,885 --> 00:58:19,104 from real estate taxes, 1558 00:58:19,234 --> 00:58:21,715 which I had the power to do, 1559 00:58:21,846 --> 00:58:23,935 but I said no, 1560 00:58:24,065 --> 00:58:25,110 because I did not believe, 1561 00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:26,981 and do not believe, 1562 00:58:27,112 --> 00:58:29,941 that a Hyatt hotel on 42nd Street 1563 00:58:30,071 --> 00:58:32,378 would not earn enough money to pay taxes. 1564 00:58:32,509 --> 00:58:36,338 When I said no, he was extremely unpleasant. 1565 00:58:36,469 --> 00:58:38,253 - Donald got very angry, and threatened 1566 00:58:38,384 --> 00:58:40,038 to have him fired. 1567 00:58:40,168 --> 00:58:42,040 - He told me what to do to myself. 1568 00:58:42,170 --> 00:58:43,911 I told him he'd better get out, 1569 00:58:44,042 --> 00:58:46,087 or I'd have him arrested. 1570 00:58:46,218 --> 00:58:48,176 - I think he was worried. 1571 00:58:48,307 --> 00:58:50,222 He needs every little bit of help 1572 00:58:50,352 --> 00:58:51,919 that he can get. 1573 00:58:52,050 --> 00:58:53,268 Donald didn't have a lot, 1574 00:58:53,399 --> 00:58:54,922 but he did have one thing: 1575 00:58:55,053 --> 00:58:57,011 his father, 1576 00:58:57,142 --> 00:58:58,665 so he went to his father 1577 00:58:58,796 --> 00:59:00,275 to help him out. 1578 00:59:00,406 --> 00:59:01,842 His father was very close 1579 00:59:01,973 --> 00:59:03,104 to both the governor 1580 00:59:03,235 --> 00:59:04,628 and to the mayor, 1581 00:59:04,758 --> 00:59:07,152 and so he had entrée 1582 00:59:07,282 --> 00:59:09,023 when he wanted to put forward 1583 00:59:09,154 --> 00:59:11,765 this idea of getting a big tax break, 1584 00:59:11,896 --> 00:59:14,202 and so, thanks to his political connections, 1585 00:59:14,333 --> 00:59:16,117 he was able to get the support 1586 00:59:16,248 --> 00:59:19,033 of both the city and the state. 1587 00:59:42,970 --> 00:59:44,276 - Controller? 1588 00:59:44,406 --> 00:59:45,320 - Donald Trump, 1589 00:59:45,451 --> 00:59:47,801 through a complicated series 1590 00:59:47,932 --> 00:59:51,022 of absolute moxie maneuvers, 1591 00:59:51,152 --> 00:59:53,154 managed to get 1592 00:59:53,285 --> 00:59:56,941 a huge, huge tax break. 1593 00:59:57,071 --> 00:59:59,247 - It's been a long, hard fight. How do you feel? 1594 00:59:59,378 --> 01:00:00,945 - Well, I'm very happy, and I think 1595 01:00:01,075 --> 01:00:02,337 the city of New York is going to be very happy. 1596 01:00:02,468 --> 01:00:04,122 We're gonna do something now 1597 01:00:04,252 --> 01:00:05,819 which is going to be a great stride forward 1598 01:00:05,950 --> 01:00:06,864 for New York City. 1599 01:00:06,994 --> 01:00:08,169 - Donald Trump 1600 01:00:08,300 --> 01:00:09,693 is a street fighter, 1601 01:00:09,823 --> 01:00:11,782 and Donald Trump wants to win. 1602 01:00:11,912 --> 01:00:15,699 He is the consummate, constant, negotiator. 1603 01:00:15,829 --> 01:00:17,396 - People asked me, "How come? 1604 01:00:17,526 --> 01:00:20,051 How is it that you got 40 years of tax abatement?" 1605 01:00:20,181 --> 01:00:23,010 and I'd always say, "Because I didn't ask for 50." 1606 01:00:23,141 --> 01:00:25,099 - But there was more work to be done. 1607 01:00:25,230 --> 01:00:26,971 ♪ 1608 01:00:27,101 --> 01:00:28,886 Donald Trump, upon the city's demand, 1609 01:00:29,016 --> 01:00:30,670 was required to submit 1610 01:00:30,801 --> 01:00:32,541 the contract that indicated 1611 01:00:32,672 --> 01:00:36,371 he had permission from the Penn Central railroad, 1612 01:00:36,502 --> 01:00:38,025 so Donald said, "Here's my contract 1613 01:00:38,156 --> 01:00:39,331 for the Penn Central." 1614 01:00:39,461 --> 01:00:41,768 No one actually looked at the last page 1615 01:00:41,899 --> 01:00:43,814 to notice it had never been signed. 1616 01:00:43,944 --> 01:00:45,380 ♪ 1617 01:00:45,511 --> 01:00:47,513 So he moved forward on a project 1618 01:00:47,644 --> 01:00:51,082 of immense scale, guaranteeing the city 1619 01:00:51,212 --> 01:00:53,171 that he had the legal authority to do it, 1620 01:00:53,301 --> 01:00:54,955 and he did not have the authority. 1621 01:00:55,086 --> 01:00:57,044 ♪ 1622 01:00:57,175 --> 01:00:58,089 - And nobody noticed. - And nobody noticed? 1623 01:00:58,219 --> 01:01:00,047 - Nobody noticed. 1624 01:01:00,178 --> 01:01:02,049 They just said, "Could we see your contract?" 1625 01:01:02,180 --> 01:01:03,877 so I sent them a contract that was signed by me 1626 01:01:04,008 --> 01:01:05,313 and nobody else, and nobody ever--nobody said, 1627 01:01:05,444 --> 01:01:07,446 "Nobody ever signed the other..." 1628 01:01:07,576 --> 01:01:09,491 - All right, if they had said, "Hey, what--what's going on?" 1629 01:01:09,622 --> 01:01:12,059 would you have copped to it? Would you have said, 1630 01:01:12,190 --> 01:01:13,365 "Well, you didn't tell me--" - I don't know what 1631 01:01:13,495 --> 01:01:15,933 I would've done, and I went through 1632 01:01:16,063 --> 01:01:18,109 all of that stuff to get the tax abatements 1633 01:01:18,239 --> 01:01:20,067 that had never been given in the history of New York 1634 01:01:20,198 --> 01:01:21,199 'cause the city was in trouble, right? 1635 01:01:21,329 --> 01:01:22,853 Where did you hear that story? 1636 01:01:22,983 --> 01:01:25,203 - I... got my in--sources. 1637 01:01:25,333 --> 01:01:28,685 ♪ 1638 01:01:28,815 --> 01:01:30,208 - It's really the model 1639 01:01:30,338 --> 01:01:32,340 that sets up everything that follows, 1640 01:01:32,471 --> 01:01:35,474 the idea of playing one player against the other, 1641 01:01:35,604 --> 01:01:38,956 a fair bit of hucksterism mixed with some business savvy 1642 01:01:39,086 --> 01:01:41,045 to create the buzz, the PR. 1643 01:01:41,175 --> 01:01:44,004 All of that sense of Trump as a force 1644 01:01:44,135 --> 01:01:45,223 comes out of the Hyatt deal. 1645 01:01:45,353 --> 01:01:47,965 ♪ 1646 01:01:48,095 --> 01:01:49,880 - Amid a lot of fanfare, 1647 01:01:50,010 --> 01:01:52,447 the Grand Hyatt held its grand opening today. 1648 01:01:52,578 --> 01:01:53,971 The mayor and the governor of New York 1649 01:01:54,101 --> 01:01:55,233 were among those on hand 1650 01:01:55,363 --> 01:01:57,191 for the ribbon-cutting. 1651 01:01:57,322 --> 01:01:58,976 [cheers and applause] 1652 01:01:59,106 --> 01:02:00,673 - Hyatt Regency 1653 01:02:00,804 --> 01:02:02,849 is now an architectural gem 1654 01:02:02,980 --> 01:02:04,721 for all the world to see. 1655 01:02:04,851 --> 01:02:06,897 - Hyatt is a fantastic outfit, 1656 01:02:07,027 --> 01:02:08,289 and all of this is going to combine 1657 01:02:08,420 --> 01:02:10,074 to make probably the most successful hotel-- 1658 01:02:10,204 --> 01:02:11,075 one of them--in the country, we feel. 1659 01:02:11,205 --> 01:02:13,991 - It was fabulous. 1660 01:02:14,121 --> 01:02:16,036 He did it fast and he did it efficient. 1661 01:02:16,167 --> 01:02:17,734 ♪ 1662 01:02:17,864 --> 01:02:20,258 It really gave him a sense of pride 1663 01:02:20,388 --> 01:02:23,000 and a sense that he knew 1664 01:02:23,130 --> 01:02:25,176 exactly what he was doing. 1665 01:02:25,306 --> 01:02:27,178 The Commodore was the stepping stone 1666 01:02:27,308 --> 01:02:28,788 to the Trump Tower. 1667 01:02:28,919 --> 01:02:30,311 ♪ 1668 01:02:34,794 --> 01:02:36,274 - Friend of mine in the real estate industry 1669 01:02:36,404 --> 01:02:38,493 said "You have the greatest ability 1670 01:02:38,624 --> 01:02:39,930 "to get great locations 1671 01:02:40,060 --> 01:02:41,453 of any human being I've ever seen." 1672 01:02:41,583 --> 01:02:42,671 It's true. 1673 01:02:42,802 --> 01:02:44,673 No matter what it is, 1674 01:02:44,804 --> 01:02:46,675 if you look at any of my projects, 1675 01:02:46,806 --> 01:02:48,155 I have the best locations. 1676 01:02:48,286 --> 01:02:51,811 ♪ 1677 01:02:51,942 --> 01:02:53,900 - One day, so the story goes, 1678 01:02:54,031 --> 01:02:57,382 Donald is looking for an ideal location 1679 01:02:57,512 --> 01:03:00,907 to put up what would become a signature project. 1680 01:03:01,038 --> 01:03:03,475 He's criss-crossing Manhattan in his car, 1681 01:03:03,605 --> 01:03:05,825 looking for that ideal situation. 1682 01:03:05,956 --> 01:03:07,827 ♪ 1683 01:03:07,958 --> 01:03:09,611 - Suddenly, reaching the corner 1684 01:03:09,742 --> 01:03:12,484 of Fifth Avenue and 56th Street, 1685 01:03:12,614 --> 01:03:15,443 and noticing the Bonwit Teller building, 1686 01:03:15,574 --> 01:03:19,796 an old Art Deco ten-story department store. 1687 01:03:19,926 --> 01:03:21,754 Here is the opportunity 1688 01:03:21,885 --> 01:03:23,408 Donald is looking for, 1689 01:03:23,538 --> 01:03:25,366 and it is at that corner 1690 01:03:25,497 --> 01:03:26,977 that he decides 1691 01:03:27,107 --> 01:03:28,848 "This is where I'm going to stake my future." 1692 01:03:28,979 --> 01:03:30,502 ♪ 1693 01:03:30,632 --> 01:03:33,331 - The finest piece of real estate, 1694 01:03:33,461 --> 01:03:34,941 considered to be the finest piece of real estate 1695 01:03:35,072 --> 01:03:36,813 in the world, is at the corner 1696 01:03:36,943 --> 01:03:38,684 of Fifth Avenue and 57th Street. 1697 01:03:38,815 --> 01:03:42,209 That's the Tiffany corner of the world. 1698 01:03:42,340 --> 01:03:43,732 - "The New York Times" is reporting 1699 01:03:43,863 --> 01:03:46,431 that Bonwit's is being sold to Donald Trump, 1700 01:03:46,561 --> 01:03:48,825 and that the store could be closed by July. 1701 01:03:48,955 --> 01:03:50,565 ♪ 1702 01:03:50,696 --> 01:03:52,263 - Bonwit gives him a six-month 1703 01:03:52,393 --> 01:03:53,830 $25 million--the option 1704 01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:55,919 to purchase the property. 1705 01:03:56,049 --> 01:03:58,182 He was constantly borrowing money 1706 01:03:58,312 --> 01:03:59,836 from his father during this period 1707 01:03:59,966 --> 01:04:02,403 and he had to get a partner 1708 01:04:02,534 --> 01:04:03,709 Equitable bank, 1709 01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:05,537 because he can't do this alone. 1710 01:04:05,667 --> 01:04:07,321 ♪ 1711 01:04:07,452 --> 01:04:08,714 He just doesn't have the money 1712 01:04:08,845 --> 01:04:11,195 to build his signature tower. 1713 01:04:11,325 --> 01:04:12,849 ♪ 1714 01:04:12,979 --> 01:04:14,851 So now he's got a mortgage, 1715 01:04:14,981 --> 01:04:16,765 the interest clock is ticking, 1716 01:04:16,896 --> 01:04:18,593 he's got a partner 1717 01:04:18,724 --> 01:04:20,291 that's taking the bulk of the profits. 1718 01:04:20,421 --> 01:04:22,641 He needs every little bit of help 1719 01:04:22,771 --> 01:04:24,425 that he thinks he can get, 1720 01:04:24,556 --> 01:04:28,081 so he, again, latched onto tax breaks. 1721 01:04:28,212 --> 01:04:29,169 ♪ 1722 01:04:29,300 --> 01:04:30,867 - Donald Trump now faces 1723 01:04:30,997 --> 01:04:32,651 the biggest skirmish in his battle 1724 01:04:32,781 --> 01:04:34,609 to build Trump Tower. 1725 01:04:34,740 --> 01:04:36,611 He's going to come into conflict 1726 01:04:36,742 --> 01:04:38,570 with the mayor of New York City. 1727 01:04:38,700 --> 01:04:40,311 - The positions that I take 1728 01:04:40,441 --> 01:04:41,790 are not ideological. 1729 01:04:41,921 --> 01:04:43,618 They are reasonable, they are sensible, 1730 01:04:43,749 --> 01:04:46,708 and that's why people support me. 1731 01:04:46,839 --> 01:04:49,494 - Look, Ed Koch was a totally overrated mayor. 1732 01:04:49,624 --> 01:04:50,756 He was a bad guy-- - A few times, you said-- 1733 01:04:50,887 --> 01:04:52,540 - And you can quote me. - Right. 1734 01:04:52,671 --> 01:04:54,412 - Ed Koch was a bad guy. He was a total bully. 1735 01:04:54,542 --> 01:04:55,804 All Ed Koch was concerned about 1736 01:04:55,935 --> 01:04:57,110 was press. 1737 01:04:57,241 --> 01:04:58,677 In other words, 1738 01:04:58,807 --> 01:05:01,332 he wanted to make sure he looked good. 1739 01:05:01,462 --> 01:05:03,769 Ed, go [bleep] yourself. You're a piece of [bleep]. 1740 01:05:03,900 --> 01:05:07,599 ♪ 1741 01:05:07,729 --> 01:05:11,603 - The city was offering tax breaks to developers, 1742 01:05:11,733 --> 01:05:12,909 but they were not thinking 1743 01:05:13,039 --> 01:05:14,649 that this is the kind of tax break 1744 01:05:14,780 --> 01:05:17,391 they would give away for luxury apartments. 1745 01:05:17,522 --> 01:05:19,263 - This was a program that would be used 1746 01:05:19,393 --> 01:05:21,178 to turn a vacant lot 1747 01:05:21,308 --> 01:05:22,353 into an apartment building 1748 01:05:22,483 --> 01:05:24,616 for the middle class. 1749 01:05:24,746 --> 01:05:26,400 - But here comes this application 1750 01:05:26,531 --> 01:05:28,272 from Donald Trump, 1751 01:05:28,402 --> 01:05:30,448 and the city turns him down. 1752 01:05:30,578 --> 01:05:32,276 He's outraged. 1753 01:05:32,406 --> 01:05:33,712 Trump sues the city, 1754 01:05:33,842 --> 01:05:35,627 so now he's at loggerheads 1755 01:05:35,757 --> 01:05:37,716 with the Koch administration, 1756 01:05:37,846 --> 01:05:40,588 and that potentially meant a long battle 1757 01:05:40,719 --> 01:05:42,199 that could go on for years. 1758 01:05:42,329 --> 01:05:45,028 ♪ 1759 01:05:45,158 --> 01:05:46,943 - One of the beneficiaries of the abatements 1760 01:05:47,073 --> 01:05:49,249 is real estate developer Donald Trump. 1761 01:05:49,380 --> 01:05:50,729 - I was entitled to that abatement, 1762 01:05:50,859 --> 01:05:53,079 and I am by law entitled to that abatement. 1763 01:05:53,210 --> 01:05:54,341 - Councilman Henry Stern 1764 01:05:54,472 --> 01:05:55,864 and Councilman Robert Wagner Jr. 1765 01:05:55,995 --> 01:05:58,476 opposed it as an excessive gift of public funds. 1766 01:05:58,606 --> 01:05:59,607 ♪ 1767 01:05:59,738 --> 01:06:00,869 I did a weekly show 1768 01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:02,262 between Ruth Messenger, 1769 01:06:02,393 --> 01:06:03,872 who's the city council member 1770 01:06:04,003 --> 01:06:05,744 who was very much against 1771 01:06:05,874 --> 01:06:08,268 giving any tax breaks to businessmen, 1772 01:06:08,399 --> 01:06:10,096 particularly businessmen like him, 1773 01:06:10,227 --> 01:06:11,184 Donald Trump, 1774 01:06:11,315 --> 01:06:12,664 and Trump believed 1775 01:06:12,794 --> 01:06:14,492 in tax breaks, particularly for him. 1776 01:06:14,622 --> 01:06:16,755 - The program has become 1777 01:06:16,885 --> 01:06:18,670 a corporate welfare program. 1778 01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:19,932 - I really think, before you make 1779 01:06:20,063 --> 01:06:21,151 those statements on the air, 1780 01:06:21,281 --> 01:06:22,500 that you should go back 1781 01:06:22,630 --> 01:06:23,980 and check your facts and figures. 1782 01:06:24,110 --> 01:06:26,243 - Donald, the statute says very specifically 1783 01:06:26,373 --> 01:06:27,896 that in order to qualify, 1784 01:06:28,027 --> 01:06:29,594 the site on which the residential building 1785 01:06:29,724 --> 01:06:30,725 is going up 1786 01:06:30,856 --> 01:06:32,249 is either vacant, 1787 01:06:32,379 --> 01:06:33,598 predominantly vacant, 1788 01:06:33,728 --> 01:06:34,903 or underutilized. The site on which-- 1789 01:06:35,034 --> 01:06:36,122 - You don't think a ten-story building 1790 01:06:36,253 --> 01:06:37,515 is an underutilization 1791 01:06:37,645 --> 01:06:38,690 when I'm building a 68-story building? 1792 01:06:38,820 --> 01:06:39,734 - Absolutely not. - Oh, I see. 1793 01:06:39,865 --> 01:06:40,735 Okay, okay. - Correct. 1794 01:06:40,866 --> 01:06:41,823 Tell me about it, dear. 1795 01:06:41,954 --> 01:06:43,564 - I had the grand time 1796 01:06:43,695 --> 01:06:46,002 between these two. It was a knife fight. 1797 01:06:46,132 --> 01:06:47,742 - Ruth, I'd like you to-- - We deny the benefit. 1798 01:06:47,873 --> 01:06:49,353 - This ridiculous. To listen to this is just-- 1799 01:06:49,483 --> 01:06:50,484 - I mean, look, at the end of the day, 1800 01:06:50,615 --> 01:06:51,877 there's a toughness to him. 1801 01:06:52,008 --> 01:06:54,227 I mean, this is a very tough guy. 1802 01:06:54,358 --> 01:06:55,576 I mean, he can take a lot of bullets. 1803 01:06:55,707 --> 01:06:57,187 He can catch bullets in his teeth. 1804 01:06:57,317 --> 01:06:58,492 He can eat broken glass. 1805 01:06:58,623 --> 01:07:00,625 A punch-back sort of a person 1806 01:07:00,755 --> 01:07:02,583 with a armadillo skin. 1807 01:07:02,714 --> 01:07:03,889 - This is just so ridiculous. 1808 01:07:04,020 --> 01:07:04,803 You've asked me onto a program 1809 01:07:04,933 --> 01:07:06,152 I'm supposed to be, 1810 01:07:06,283 --> 01:07:07,284 and I listen to this, that-- 1811 01:07:07,414 --> 01:07:08,502 - It's a calling card. 1812 01:07:08,633 --> 01:07:10,896 Attack the person personally. 1813 01:07:11,027 --> 01:07:12,724 Don't give them a quarter. Don't be nice. 1814 01:07:12,854 --> 01:07:14,682 Don't be reasonable. Attack them. 1815 01:07:14,813 --> 01:07:16,249 You have to destroy them, 1816 01:07:16,380 --> 01:07:17,381 because they're gonna destroy you. 1817 01:07:17,511 --> 01:07:19,035 - If you spent the same time 1818 01:07:19,165 --> 01:07:20,558 trying to clean up our subways and clean up 1819 01:07:20,688 --> 01:07:22,647 the city of crime-- - I do. 1820 01:07:22,777 --> 01:07:24,301 - Well, I don't know that you do, or if you do, 1821 01:07:24,431 --> 01:07:26,216 you're certainly doing a very ineffective job. 1822 01:07:26,346 --> 01:07:28,479 ♪ 1823 01:07:28,609 --> 01:07:32,570 - Sound familiar? 1824 01:07:32,700 --> 01:07:35,747 ♪ 1825 01:07:35,877 --> 01:07:38,576 - When Trump finally got all the permissions he needed 1826 01:07:38,706 --> 01:07:40,404 and was ready to roll on the construction 1827 01:07:40,534 --> 01:07:42,536 of Trump Tower, his pride and joy, 1828 01:07:42,667 --> 01:07:44,669 he needed to get someone 1829 01:07:44,799 --> 01:07:46,323 who actually knows how to build a building. 1830 01:07:46,453 --> 01:07:48,499 - Donald and I sort of worked together 1831 01:07:48,629 --> 01:07:50,153 while I was working on the Hyatt. 1832 01:07:50,283 --> 01:07:51,545 I was at a fundraiser with my husband, 1833 01:07:51,676 --> 01:07:53,286 and he said to my husband, 1834 01:07:53,417 --> 01:07:55,462 uh, "I'm gonna hire her. She's gonna work for me. 1835 01:07:55,593 --> 01:07:57,421 I'm gonna double her salary," [laughs] 1836 01:07:57,551 --> 01:07:59,553 and that's how I learned about Trump Tower. 1837 01:07:59,684 --> 01:08:01,642 ♪ 1838 01:08:01,773 --> 01:08:03,514 - She was the first woman to run the construction 1839 01:08:03,644 --> 01:08:06,343 of a major skyscraper. 1840 01:08:06,473 --> 01:08:08,171 Trump was always proud of the fact 1841 01:08:08,301 --> 01:08:09,607 that he'd put a woman in that position 1842 01:08:09,737 --> 01:08:11,261 and entrusted her 1843 01:08:11,391 --> 01:08:13,132 with this project from beginning to end. 1844 01:08:13,263 --> 01:08:14,786 ♪ 1845 01:08:14,916 --> 01:08:16,440 - Barbara Res had a very tough job. 1846 01:08:16,569 --> 01:08:19,138 It was a culture of macho men. 1847 01:08:19,269 --> 01:08:21,619 A lot of these guys are chauvinistic pigs, 1848 01:08:21,749 --> 01:08:24,709 you know, to be quite honest. 1849 01:08:24,839 --> 01:08:27,103 - There were no women in the construction industry. 1850 01:08:27,233 --> 01:08:28,669 You could count them on one hand, 1851 01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:30,496 er, and even if you lost a few fingers. 1852 01:08:30,628 --> 01:08:32,237 ♪ 1853 01:08:32,369 --> 01:08:33,805 He said something to me. 1854 01:08:33,934 --> 01:08:36,112 He said, "Men are better than women, 1855 01:08:36,242 --> 01:08:37,635 "but a good woman 1856 01:08:37,764 --> 01:08:39,462 is better than ten good men," 1857 01:08:39,593 --> 01:08:41,465 and he meant that as a compliment. 1858 01:08:41,594 --> 01:08:43,119 ♪ 1859 01:08:43,249 --> 01:08:46,383 Donald trusted me implicitly, 1860 01:08:46,513 --> 01:08:48,471 and he respected people 1861 01:08:48,602 --> 01:08:50,603 that told him things the way they were, 1862 01:08:50,735 --> 01:08:52,432 and it was not easy to do that, 1863 01:08:52,563 --> 01:08:53,433 because when you stood up to him, 1864 01:08:53,564 --> 01:08:55,174 you got--you got hammered. 1865 01:08:55,305 --> 01:08:57,133 ♪ 1866 01:08:57,263 --> 01:08:59,004 He said to me, "You know, you're a killer," 1867 01:08:59,135 --> 01:09:00,309 and--[laughs] 1868 01:09:00,440 --> 01:09:01,702 I later learned that his father 1869 01:09:01,833 --> 01:09:04,139 actually used that expression with him, 1870 01:09:04,270 --> 01:09:05,880 that people should be killers. 1871 01:09:06,011 --> 01:09:08,405 ♪ 1872 01:09:08,535 --> 01:09:10,276 I thought, and I quickly confirmed it-- 1873 01:09:10,407 --> 01:09:12,278 he was very inexperienced. 1874 01:09:12,408 --> 01:09:15,151 He really didn't know much about construction at all, 1875 01:09:15,281 --> 01:09:17,718 but I thought that he was intelligent. 1876 01:09:17,849 --> 01:09:19,371 Didn't have to tell him a hundred times, 1877 01:09:19,503 --> 01:09:20,678 and with him, that was a good thing, 1878 01:09:20,808 --> 01:09:22,375 'cause he could only listen once, 1879 01:09:22,505 --> 01:09:24,072 if you were lucky, and you got him to listen 1880 01:09:24,202 --> 01:09:25,422 to a whole story. 1881 01:09:25,551 --> 01:09:29,077 ♪ 1882 01:09:29,208 --> 01:09:31,428 - Once the project got the green light, 1883 01:09:31,558 --> 01:09:33,559 Donald Trump confronted the next problem, 1884 01:09:33,691 --> 01:09:35,736 which was, "How do we take down 1885 01:09:35,867 --> 01:09:38,565 this ten-story department store?" 1886 01:09:38,696 --> 01:09:41,612 - Most famously, that building had this facade 1887 01:09:41,742 --> 01:09:43,875 of gorgeous sculptures 1888 01:09:44,005 --> 01:09:46,617 that were the hallmark of Bonwit Teller, 1889 01:09:46,746 --> 01:09:49,446 one of the most prized architectural features 1890 01:09:49,576 --> 01:09:51,229 on Fifth Avenue. 1891 01:09:51,361 --> 01:09:53,971 - These stone relief sculptures 1892 01:09:54,102 --> 01:09:55,539 at the top of the building 1893 01:09:55,669 --> 01:09:58,368 were very stylized, 1894 01:09:58,498 --> 01:10:00,587 very naked, dancers 1895 01:10:00,718 --> 01:10:02,937 with long scarves. 1896 01:10:03,068 --> 01:10:04,156 ♪ 1897 01:10:04,287 --> 01:10:05,418 - Trump made a deal 1898 01:10:05,549 --> 01:10:08,378 to remove this piece of art 1899 01:10:08,508 --> 01:10:10,597 carefully from the façade of the building 1900 01:10:10,728 --> 01:10:12,730 and give it to the Metropolitan Museum of Art, 1901 01:10:12,860 --> 01:10:14,427 and this would be a compromise. 1902 01:10:14,558 --> 01:10:17,213 The--the great landmark art would be saved, 1903 01:10:17,343 --> 01:10:18,518 and Trump would be able to go ahead 1904 01:10:18,648 --> 01:10:19,606 and demolish the building. 1905 01:10:19,737 --> 01:10:26,700 ♪ 1906 01:10:28,353 --> 01:10:30,748 In order to get the demolition done cheaply, 1907 01:10:30,878 --> 01:10:33,577 Donald Trump, as he often did, found 1908 01:10:33,707 --> 01:10:35,621 the lowest-bidding company he could. 1909 01:10:35,753 --> 01:10:39,017 - He hired a Polish demolition company 1910 01:10:39,147 --> 01:10:41,585 which turned out to employ 1911 01:10:41,715 --> 01:10:44,152 immigrants who were undocumented. 1912 01:10:44,282 --> 01:10:45,806 - They were being paid, essentially, 1913 01:10:45,937 --> 01:10:48,635 less than $5 an hour, when they got cash, 1914 01:10:48,766 --> 01:10:50,420 'cause some of them said they were being paid in vodka. 1915 01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:52,335 ♪ 1916 01:10:52,465 --> 01:10:54,641 They did the work-- 12- to 18-hour days. 1917 01:10:54,772 --> 01:10:57,209 - And it's dangerous, dirty work. 1918 01:10:57,340 --> 01:10:59,733 You're dismantling concrete, 1919 01:10:59,864 --> 01:11:02,258 debris falling down on you. 1920 01:11:02,388 --> 01:11:03,650 - They had nowhere to live. 1921 01:11:03,781 --> 01:11:05,348 They were sleeping on the floor 1922 01:11:05,478 --> 01:11:07,871 of the Bonwit Teller store at night. 1923 01:11:08,002 --> 01:11:11,353 - And all of this was done at breakneck pace. 1924 01:11:11,484 --> 01:11:13,573 ♪ 1925 01:11:13,704 --> 01:11:15,619 - And then one afternoon, one of the directors 1926 01:11:15,749 --> 01:11:17,055 of the Metropolitan Museum of Art 1927 01:11:17,184 --> 01:11:18,404 gets a call at her office, 1928 01:11:18,535 --> 01:11:20,145 and she's told 1929 01:11:20,276 --> 01:11:22,365 Donald Trump is destroying the frieze. 1930 01:11:22,495 --> 01:11:24,584 ♪ 1931 01:11:24,715 --> 01:11:26,412 - I got into a taxi, 1932 01:11:26,543 --> 01:11:29,067 got into a classic 1933 01:11:29,197 --> 01:11:31,678 New York City traffic jam. 1934 01:11:31,809 --> 01:11:34,159 I was nine months pregnant at the time... 1935 01:11:34,290 --> 01:11:35,421 ♪ 1936 01:11:35,552 --> 01:11:36,770 But I got out of the cab 1937 01:11:36,901 --> 01:11:38,294 and I ran for ten blocks. 1938 01:11:38,424 --> 01:11:41,253 I'll never forget that run. 1939 01:11:41,384 --> 01:11:43,168 Got out on 56th Street. 1940 01:11:43,299 --> 01:11:46,258 ♪ 1941 01:11:46,389 --> 01:11:49,174 [debris clattering] 1942 01:11:49,305 --> 01:11:51,219 ♪ 1943 01:11:51,350 --> 01:11:54,353 And we watched them being jackhammered. 1944 01:11:54,484 --> 01:11:59,053 ♪ 1945 01:11:59,184 --> 01:12:01,491 I was furious. [laughs] 1946 01:12:01,621 --> 01:12:06,059 ♪ 1947 01:12:06,191 --> 01:12:08,019 The Trump Organization 1948 01:12:08,148 --> 01:12:10,717 could've asked the Met for help 1949 01:12:10,848 --> 01:12:14,199 in taking the pieces down and removing them... 1950 01:12:14,330 --> 01:12:15,200 ♪ 1951 01:12:15,331 --> 01:12:16,375 And they didn't. 1952 01:12:16,505 --> 01:12:19,726 ♪ 1953 01:12:19,857 --> 01:12:21,119 - You were recently the object 1954 01:12:21,249 --> 01:12:22,512 of a lot of controversy 1955 01:12:22,642 --> 01:12:23,948 because you ordered destroyed 1956 01:12:24,077 --> 01:12:25,471 some sculptures on the-- 1957 01:12:25,602 --> 01:12:27,125 a building that you bought 1958 01:12:27,255 --> 01:12:28,561 that the Metropolitan Art Museum wanted. 1959 01:12:28,692 --> 01:12:30,215 Why did you have those destroyed, first of all, 1960 01:12:30,346 --> 01:12:31,608 and what happens to the look of the city? 1961 01:12:31,737 --> 01:12:33,697 - As an art building, or an Art Deco building, 1962 01:12:33,827 --> 01:12:35,655 it really was not worth very much, 1963 01:12:35,786 --> 01:12:37,264 and we did take it down, 1964 01:12:37,396 --> 01:12:38,615 and there was somewhat of an outcry, 1965 01:12:38,745 --> 01:12:41,052 but I think that's generally subsided. 1966 01:12:41,182 --> 01:12:42,749 ♪ 1967 01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:44,403 - He gets a bunch of bad publicity, 1968 01:12:44,534 --> 01:12:45,925 but in his mind, it's all good publicity, 1969 01:12:46,057 --> 01:12:49,234 because here he's seen as this force of progress, 1970 01:12:49,365 --> 01:12:52,803 this guy who's bulling his way through all this red tape 1971 01:12:52,933 --> 01:12:55,066 and all these fussy artist types 1972 01:12:55,196 --> 01:12:57,198 in order to get his building built, 1973 01:12:57,329 --> 01:13:00,071 and to k--get the commerce of New York moving again. 1974 01:13:02,202 --> 01:13:03,639 - Very carefully, Donald is putting 1975 01:13:03,770 --> 01:13:05,380 all the pieces in place 1976 01:13:05,511 --> 01:13:07,513 for this signature project, 1977 01:13:07,644 --> 01:13:11,038 but he's also borrowing money all over the place. 1978 01:13:11,169 --> 01:13:12,518 While he often portrays himself 1979 01:13:12,648 --> 01:13:14,172 as sort of a self-made man, 1980 01:13:14,302 --> 01:13:15,565 the only money he had 1981 01:13:15,695 --> 01:13:17,480 is what he borrowed from his father. 1982 01:13:17,610 --> 01:13:20,396 - Fred Trump was nervous. 1983 01:13:20,526 --> 01:13:22,398 He was co-signing all the loans. 1984 01:13:22,528 --> 01:13:24,269 He was the one. It was his money. 1985 01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:25,705 ♪ 1986 01:13:25,835 --> 01:13:28,055 - Fred Trump was involved 1987 01:13:28,186 --> 01:13:29,621 in the Trump Tower project. 1988 01:13:29,753 --> 01:13:31,798 That's how I met him. I remember, he was-- 1989 01:13:31,929 --> 01:13:34,018 he didn't like me. I'm--let's put this way. 1990 01:13:34,148 --> 01:13:36,063 He hated me. 1991 01:13:36,193 --> 01:13:37,848 He hated the very notion 1992 01:13:37,978 --> 01:13:40,067 that a woman would be working in construction 1993 01:13:40,198 --> 01:13:42,026 to begin with, and much less 1994 01:13:42,156 --> 01:13:43,070 be in charge of a project 1995 01:13:43,201 --> 01:13:44,768 that was his son's project, 1996 01:13:44,898 --> 01:13:47,510 so, uh, we were like, "Ah! Ah!" 1997 01:13:47,639 --> 01:13:49,468 He would say, "Oh, no, that's all wrong. 1998 01:13:49,599 --> 01:13:51,601 You don't know what you're doing." 1999 01:13:51,731 --> 01:13:53,516 But I went to Donald. I said, 2000 01:13:53,646 --> 01:13:55,343 "You've got to get your fathr off of my back. 2001 01:13:55,474 --> 01:13:57,520 He's driving me crazy," and he--he said to me, 2002 01:13:57,650 --> 01:14:00,784 "Suck it up, baby," in so many words, 2003 01:14:00,914 --> 01:14:03,916 because, you know, he was putting up with him, too. 2004 01:14:04,048 --> 01:14:05,571 ♪ 2005 01:14:05,702 --> 01:14:07,094 - Most buildings, by the time 2006 01:14:07,225 --> 01:14:08,531 the Trump Tower was built, 2007 01:14:08,661 --> 01:14:11,447 were using steel to put structures up, 2008 01:14:11,577 --> 01:14:13,840 and what was unusual about Trump Tower 2009 01:14:13,971 --> 01:14:16,669 was that it was largely built out of concrete. 2010 01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:18,758 ♪ 2011 01:14:18,889 --> 01:14:20,630 - What we were doing was what's called a fast track, 2012 01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:22,414 which is you build it 2013 01:14:22,545 --> 01:14:24,851 before it's completely designed, 2014 01:14:24,982 --> 01:14:27,245 and it was a concrete building, which was great, 2015 01:14:27,375 --> 01:14:29,856 because you design it one day, and you can pour it the next. 2016 01:14:29,987 --> 01:14:31,291 ♪ 2017 01:14:31,423 --> 01:14:33,207 - Most of the contracting 2018 01:14:33,338 --> 01:14:34,644 in the construction industry in New York 2019 01:14:34,773 --> 01:14:36,994 was controlled, to a large extent, 2020 01:14:37,124 --> 01:14:38,430 by the mob, 2021 01:14:38,561 --> 01:14:40,563 specifically the concrete business. 2022 01:14:40,693 --> 01:14:43,522 - Business that you could call Mafia, Inc. 2023 01:14:43,653 --> 01:14:44,741 - They are said to run the most powerful 2024 01:14:44,871 --> 01:14:46,133 crime families in New York. 2025 01:14:46,264 --> 01:14:47,526 - Federal investigators say 2026 01:14:47,657 --> 01:14:49,223 the mob controls the concrete workers 2027 01:14:49,353 --> 01:14:50,529 in the construction industry. 2028 01:14:50,660 --> 01:14:51,965 ♪ 2029 01:14:52,096 --> 01:14:53,489 - My name is Michael Franzese, 2030 01:14:53,619 --> 01:14:55,055 and, uh, you can call me Michael. 2031 01:14:55,186 --> 01:14:56,056 That's fine. 2032 01:14:58,798 --> 01:15:00,147 - You know, former caporegime 2033 01:15:00,278 --> 01:15:01,496 in the Colombo crime family 2034 01:15:01,627 --> 01:15:03,150 is, uh, a normal moniker for me, 2035 01:15:03,281 --> 01:15:05,326 and, uh, 2036 01:15:05,457 --> 01:15:07,851 I guess for this purpose, 2037 01:15:07,981 --> 01:15:10,375 it's probably the best way to address it. 2038 01:15:10,505 --> 01:15:12,725 ♪ 2039 01:15:12,856 --> 01:15:14,466 Basically, the mob controlled 2040 01:15:14,597 --> 01:15:15,684 all the concrete business 2041 01:15:15,815 --> 01:15:17,338 in the city of New York. 2042 01:15:17,469 --> 01:15:19,253 ♪ 2043 01:15:19,384 --> 01:15:21,691 Because Trump Tower was a concrete building, 2044 01:15:21,821 --> 01:15:24,041 you know, it was a big score for us guys. 2045 01:15:24,171 --> 01:15:25,695 ♪ 2046 01:15:25,825 --> 01:15:27,261 You know, and I want to be clear. 2047 01:15:27,392 --> 01:15:28,698 I'm not saying that, you know, 2048 01:15:28,827 --> 01:15:30,612 Trump was in bed with the mob. 2049 01:15:30,743 --> 01:15:33,050 I'm not saying that he was one of our guys, 2050 01:15:33,180 --> 01:15:34,660 but he certainly had a deal with us. 2051 01:15:34,791 --> 01:15:36,314 I mean, he didn't have a choice, 2052 01:15:36,443 --> 01:15:38,708 so in that regard, he did. 2053 01:15:38,838 --> 01:15:40,797 ♪ 2054 01:15:40,927 --> 01:15:44,583 - In 1982, there was a major stoppage 2055 01:15:44,714 --> 01:15:46,672 among all the concrete providers. 2056 01:15:46,803 --> 01:15:48,326 - Everybody's worried. 2057 01:15:48,456 --> 01:15:50,327 A lot of developers are in a bind now. 2058 01:15:50,458 --> 01:15:52,330 There's a delay in their construction. 2059 01:15:52,460 --> 01:15:54,157 - When it occurred, we were in the process 2060 01:15:54,288 --> 01:15:55,420 of pouring concrete 2061 01:15:55,550 --> 01:15:57,074 to get the main structure up, 2062 01:15:57,204 --> 01:15:59,076 and every day that you lose 2063 01:15:59,206 --> 01:16:00,773 that goes by is a day delayed, 2064 01:16:00,904 --> 01:16:02,688 and, uh, it costs money for Donald, 2065 01:16:02,818 --> 01:16:04,690 - They're not gonna beat us. 2066 01:16:04,821 --> 01:16:06,692 I mean, we can hold out as long as we wanna hold out, 2067 01:16:06,823 --> 01:16:09,303 so, you know, eventually, they have to come around. 2068 01:16:09,434 --> 01:16:11,610 ♪ 2069 01:16:11,741 --> 01:16:14,264 - John Cody was a union boss 2070 01:16:14,395 --> 01:16:17,268 who lived on the dividing line 2071 01:16:17,398 --> 01:16:20,227 between the union and the mob. 2072 01:16:20,358 --> 01:16:23,491 Cody was a guy who could make things go well for you, 2073 01:16:23,621 --> 01:16:25,624 or he could make things go poorly for you. 2074 01:16:25,755 --> 01:16:27,583 ♪ 2075 01:16:27,713 --> 01:16:29,672 - It's an interesting questin as to why, 2076 01:16:29,802 --> 01:16:32,282 when every other developer in New York 2077 01:16:32,413 --> 01:16:34,154 can't get access to concrete, 2078 01:16:34,285 --> 01:16:36,068 Donald Trump is still able 2079 01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:37,462 to just move along swimmingly. 2080 01:16:37,593 --> 01:16:39,333 ♪ 2081 01:16:39,464 --> 01:16:41,291 - One of the things that Cody was able 2082 01:16:41,422 --> 01:16:43,511 to do for Trump was make sure 2083 01:16:43,642 --> 01:16:45,731 that drivers continued to deliver 2084 01:16:45,862 --> 01:16:47,298 concrete to the site. 2085 01:16:47,428 --> 01:16:51,563 ♪ 2086 01:16:51,693 --> 01:16:54,174 - You have to be able to deal with many different things 2087 01:16:54,305 --> 01:16:57,395 to be able to be a successful developer. 2088 01:16:57,525 --> 01:16:59,702 You have to be able to deal with the unions. 2089 01:16:59,832 --> 01:17:03,487 - And concrete guys who are mobbed-up. 2090 01:17:03,619 --> 01:17:05,142 - You have to get-- you get along 2091 01:17:05,272 --> 01:17:06,491 with these people. You had no choice. 2092 01:17:06,621 --> 01:17:08,188 There's nobody else to do it. 2093 01:17:08,318 --> 01:17:10,234 ♪ 2094 01:17:10,364 --> 01:17:12,279 - Trump struck a deal 2095 01:17:12,410 --> 01:17:13,977 with John Cody, 2096 01:17:14,107 --> 01:17:15,674 and Mr. Cody was able 2097 01:17:15,805 --> 01:17:18,329 to get an apartment for his mistress 2098 01:17:18,459 --> 01:17:19,635 in Trump Tower. 2099 01:17:19,764 --> 01:17:21,549 ♪ 2100 01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:24,161 - She was given a very prominent apartment 2101 01:17:24,291 --> 01:17:26,467 on a high floor of Trump Tower, 2102 01:17:26,598 --> 01:17:28,731 and she had one demand, 2103 01:17:28,861 --> 01:17:30,254 and that was she wanted 2104 01:17:30,384 --> 01:17:31,821 a swimming pool in her apartment. 2105 01:17:31,951 --> 01:17:34,258 Trump Tower did not come with a swimming pool. 2106 01:17:34,388 --> 01:17:35,476 ♪ 2107 01:17:35,607 --> 01:17:37,261 So Trump went in and had 2108 01:17:37,391 --> 01:17:39,219 that part of the building reinforced 2109 01:17:39,350 --> 01:17:41,352 so that it could hold the weight 2110 01:17:41,482 --> 01:17:43,223 of a swimming pool and all the water in it. 2111 01:17:43,353 --> 01:17:45,748 ♪ 2112 01:17:45,878 --> 01:17:49,534 - This is the world Trump operated in... 2113 01:17:49,665 --> 01:17:50,621 ♪ 2114 01:17:50,753 --> 01:17:52,624 And shortly before 2115 01:17:52,755 --> 01:17:55,018 Trump Tower was finished, 2116 01:17:55,148 --> 01:17:57,150 Cody was convicted of racketeering 2117 01:17:57,281 --> 01:17:58,195 and sent to prison. 2118 01:17:58,325 --> 01:18:01,371 ♪ 2119 01:18:01,502 --> 01:18:03,635 - I don't like getting close to people like that, 2120 01:18:03,766 --> 01:18:05,768 but they respected me. 2121 01:18:05,898 --> 01:18:08,118 - And a lot of this is relationships. 2122 01:18:08,248 --> 01:18:10,076 - A lot of it is re-- well, a lot of life 2123 01:18:10,207 --> 01:18:11,643 is relationship--a lot of what I've done 2124 01:18:11,773 --> 01:18:13,427 is relationship. A lot of great things 2125 01:18:13,558 --> 01:18:15,299 that have happened to me 2126 01:18:15,429 --> 01:18:16,561 happened to me because of relationship. 2127 01:18:16,692 --> 01:18:17,083 ♪ 2128 01:18:21,434 --> 01:18:22,480 - Millionaire real estate developer Donald Trump 2129 01:18:22,610 --> 01:18:24,090 will get a handsome tax break 2130 01:18:24,221 --> 01:18:26,440 for his latest project on Fifth Avenue. 2131 01:18:26,571 --> 01:18:28,138 - In the case of Trump Tower, 2132 01:18:28,268 --> 01:18:30,443 he engaged the city in a big battle 2133 01:18:30,575 --> 01:18:32,184 over getting this deal, 2134 01:18:32,316 --> 01:18:33,317 and in the end, 2135 01:18:33,447 --> 01:18:35,014 there was a fair umpire 2136 01:18:35,145 --> 01:18:37,059 in the Court of Appeals of New York State, 2137 01:18:37,190 --> 01:18:38,496 and he won, fair and square, 2138 01:18:38,626 --> 01:18:41,064 and got his tax abatement. 2139 01:18:41,193 --> 01:18:45,459 ♪ 2140 01:18:45,590 --> 01:18:47,200 - Well, here we are on the top 2141 01:18:47,331 --> 01:18:48,941 of the Trump Tower. Today is the topping-off 2142 01:18:49,072 --> 01:18:50,987 of this fabulous building. 2143 01:18:51,117 --> 01:18:53,424 - When they finally finished the Trump Tower, 2144 01:18:53,554 --> 01:18:56,340 Donald took the opportunity to have a topping-off party. 2145 01:18:56,469 --> 01:18:58,124 - This is the greatest skyline in the world, 2146 01:18:58,255 --> 01:18:59,778 so this is a great addition to New York skyline. 2147 01:18:59,909 --> 01:19:01,258 - What do you think about the view? 2148 01:19:01,388 --> 01:19:02,999 It's pretty nice from up here, isn't it? 2149 01:19:03,129 --> 01:19:04,087 - I've always wanted to look down on General Motors, 2150 01:19:04,217 --> 01:19:05,523 and the-- - [laughs] 2151 01:19:05,653 --> 01:19:07,219 It was quite exciting, being on the top 2152 01:19:07,351 --> 01:19:09,048 of the building when they finished it off, 2153 01:19:09,179 --> 01:19:11,007 put the last cornerstone in, 2154 01:19:11,137 --> 01:19:12,530 and everybody was there with balloons, 2155 01:19:12,660 --> 01:19:15,838 and it was quite a fanfare. 2156 01:19:15,968 --> 01:19:18,275 Trump Tower was the biggest moment 2157 01:19:18,405 --> 01:19:19,972 in Donald's life. 2158 01:19:20,103 --> 01:19:21,234 ♪ 2159 01:19:21,365 --> 01:19:22,409 - Eight years ago, I must say, 2160 01:19:22,540 --> 01:19:23,933 I was embarrassed to say I was 2161 01:19:24,063 --> 01:19:25,630 in the real estate business in New York. 2162 01:19:25,761 --> 01:19:27,632 Today, I can honestly say I'm proud of it, 2163 01:19:27,763 --> 01:19:29,808 and it's the number one city in the world, 2164 01:19:29,939 --> 01:19:31,592 and I say a large part of that 2165 01:19:31,723 --> 01:19:33,898 is due to the tremendous abilities 2166 01:19:34,030 --> 01:19:35,074 of Mayor Koch. I think he's done 2167 01:19:35,205 --> 01:19:36,075 a tremendous job. - Thank you. 2168 01:19:36,206 --> 01:19:37,642 - Thank you very much. 2169 01:19:37,773 --> 01:19:39,077 - Yeah, all the media were there 2170 01:19:39,209 --> 01:19:40,862 covering this, and, um, 2171 01:19:40,993 --> 01:19:42,081 Ed Koch gave a speech, 2172 01:19:42,212 --> 01:19:43,255 which was so funny, 2173 01:19:43,387 --> 01:19:44,648 because they hated each other. 2174 01:19:44,780 --> 01:19:46,912 - And may the windows of this building 2175 01:19:47,043 --> 01:19:47,913 forever look out 2176 01:19:48,044 --> 01:19:49,480 upon a place of peace 2177 01:19:49,610 --> 01:19:50,568 and prosperity. 2178 01:19:50,698 --> 01:19:52,264 - Very nice. Thank you, sir. 2179 01:19:52,396 --> 01:19:55,138 Very nice. Very good--nice. Very... 2180 01:19:55,268 --> 01:19:56,487 - Mr. Trump, what are your sentiments today 2181 01:19:56,617 --> 01:19:58,054 regarding the whole celebration? 2182 01:19:58,184 --> 01:19:59,055 - A very happy day. 2183 01:19:59,184 --> 01:20:01,361 The com--the completion 2184 01:20:01,492 --> 01:20:03,886 of the tallest concrete building 2185 01:20:04,016 --> 01:20:05,931 in the city of New York. 2186 01:20:06,062 --> 01:20:07,977 - How are the sales going? 2187 01:20:08,107 --> 01:20:09,500 - Uh, well, I have nothing to do with sales, 2188 01:20:09,630 --> 01:20:11,589 but they--I hear they're going excellent. 2189 01:20:11,719 --> 01:20:14,592 Fantastic. Unbelievable. 2190 01:20:14,722 --> 01:20:17,116 - I think Fred Trump was authentically proud 2191 01:20:17,246 --> 01:20:19,510 of Donald's early successes 2192 01:20:19,639 --> 01:20:21,164 in New York. 2193 01:20:21,294 --> 01:20:23,079 He was amazed that his little boy 2194 01:20:23,209 --> 01:20:25,559 had graduated from Queens 2195 01:20:25,690 --> 01:20:28,998 into a premiere address in Manhattan 2196 01:20:29,128 --> 01:20:31,261 and was able to build a landmark tower 2197 01:20:31,391 --> 01:20:32,349 with the family name on it. 2198 01:20:32,478 --> 01:20:35,308 ♪ 2199 01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:37,528 - I remember we were going up to New York 2200 01:20:37,657 --> 01:20:39,138 on spring break 2201 01:20:39,269 --> 01:20:40,618 and I asked my son 2202 01:20:40,748 --> 01:20:42,272 what he wanted to do in New York, 2203 01:20:42,402 --> 01:20:43,490 what he wanted to see, 2204 01:20:43,621 --> 01:20:44,969 and he said, most of all, 2205 01:20:45,101 --> 01:20:46,580 he wanted to go see 2206 01:20:46,710 --> 01:20:48,452 the lobby of Trump Tower, 2207 01:20:48,582 --> 01:20:50,019 and sure enough, we did it, 2208 01:20:50,148 --> 01:20:52,021 and we were all pretty impressed. 2209 01:20:52,151 --> 01:20:54,327 - I remember walking in and looking up, 2210 01:20:54,458 --> 01:20:56,634 and seeing this escalator and seeing the fountains, 2211 01:20:56,764 --> 01:20:59,505 and feeling that I was, you know, as an outsider, 2212 01:20:59,637 --> 01:21:01,465 as a--as a Brit, 2213 01:21:01,594 --> 01:21:04,728 that this was the apotheosis of big, glitzy, 2214 01:21:04,860 --> 01:21:07,514 you know, vulgar, if you like, Americana, and I loved it... 2215 01:21:07,645 --> 01:21:10,517 ♪ 2216 01:21:10,648 --> 01:21:12,955 Because, you know, that's what was fun about America. 2217 01:21:13,085 --> 01:21:14,173 ♪ 2218 01:21:14,304 --> 01:21:15,130 It was kind of the Liberace 2219 01:21:15,261 --> 01:21:16,132 of buildings, really, 2220 01:21:16,262 --> 01:21:18,221 if you like. [laughs] 2221 01:21:18,351 --> 01:21:22,442 - Here is Donald being lauded for this great achievement, 2222 01:21:22,573 --> 01:21:25,576 but obviously, absent from the celebration 2223 01:21:25,706 --> 01:21:29,101 is Donald's elder brother, 2224 01:21:29,232 --> 01:21:30,929 Fred Jr. 2225 01:21:31,059 --> 01:21:37,630 ♪ 2226 01:21:37,762 --> 01:21:41,200 As a pilot, Fred Jr. continues to struggle 2227 01:21:41,331 --> 01:21:43,072 with what, in retrospect, 2228 01:21:43,202 --> 01:21:45,204 will be seen as a lifelong battle 2229 01:21:45,335 --> 01:21:47,163 with alcohol, 2230 01:21:47,293 --> 01:21:49,643 and he falls out of grace with the airlines 2231 01:21:49,773 --> 01:21:52,907 and cannot function as a pilot anymore. 2232 01:21:53,038 --> 01:21:55,214 By this time in his life, 2233 01:21:55,344 --> 01:21:57,434 it's been communicated by his father 2234 01:21:57,564 --> 01:21:59,262 and by his brother 2235 01:21:59,392 --> 01:22:02,568 that they don't expect much from him. 2236 01:22:02,700 --> 01:22:05,268 He winds up moving home 2237 01:22:05,398 --> 01:22:08,314 and into the family mansion 2238 01:22:08,445 --> 01:22:11,100 and is essentially a handyman 2239 01:22:11,230 --> 01:22:14,103 for the Trump properties, 2240 01:22:14,233 --> 01:22:16,235 ordered about by his father, 2241 01:22:16,366 --> 01:22:19,195 asked to do menial tasks. 2242 01:22:19,325 --> 01:22:21,545 - He was intended to be the heir to the throne 2243 01:22:21,675 --> 01:22:24,330 of the Trump Organization, 2244 01:22:24,460 --> 01:22:26,550 but from this point on, 2245 01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:28,117 he really did start to spiral downward 2246 01:22:28,246 --> 01:22:29,814 more rapidly. 2247 01:22:29,945 --> 01:22:31,511 ♪ 2248 01:22:31,642 --> 01:22:33,383 - Fred was a great guy, but, you know, 2249 01:22:33,513 --> 01:22:34,950 he had an alcohol problem. - Yeah. 2250 01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:37,039 - Okay. And he was such 2251 01:22:37,169 --> 01:22:39,258 an amazing guy, and the best personality-- 2252 01:22:39,389 --> 01:22:40,956 best-looking guy you'll ever see, 2253 01:22:41,085 --> 01:22:42,348 and you know, he had a lot of things, 2254 01:22:42,478 --> 01:22:43,697 but he had an alcohol problem. 2255 01:22:43,827 --> 01:22:46,352 - I never really thought of his having 2256 01:22:46,483 --> 01:22:48,093 a problem with drinking 2257 01:22:48,224 --> 01:22:51,531 really until the last time I saw him, 2258 01:22:51,662 --> 01:22:55,100 and that was in the hospital of Manhattan. 2259 01:22:55,231 --> 01:22:56,972 He kept saying, 2260 01:22:57,102 --> 01:22:59,365 "I've got to get off the sauce. 2261 01:22:59,496 --> 01:23:02,107 I've got to get off the sauce." 2262 01:23:02,237 --> 01:23:09,157 ♪ 2263 01:23:13,684 --> 01:23:16,948 - His passing is the first real loss 2264 01:23:17,079 --> 01:23:19,037 in Donald's life, 2265 01:23:19,168 --> 01:23:22,214 but Donald viewed Fred Jr.'s death 2266 01:23:22,344 --> 01:23:25,348 as an example of weakness, 2267 01:23:25,478 --> 01:23:27,393 of what happens when you're not tough enough, 2268 01:23:27,523 --> 01:23:30,309 when you don't fight, when you don't strike back. 2269 01:23:30,440 --> 01:23:32,268 It's just a fact of life 2270 01:23:32,398 --> 01:23:35,184 that some people win and some people lose, 2271 01:23:35,314 --> 01:23:37,099 and they may be brothers, 2272 01:23:37,228 --> 01:23:41,146 but they're still winners and losers. 2273 01:23:41,277 --> 01:23:42,843 What his father taught him, 2274 01:23:42,974 --> 01:23:44,496 that he was a killer, 2275 01:23:44,628 --> 01:23:46,282 turned out to be true. 2276 01:23:46,412 --> 01:23:48,936 Donald Trump had made all of this happen. 2277 01:23:49,067 --> 01:23:51,287 He was not yet 40 years old, 2278 01:23:51,416 --> 01:23:54,420 and he was a force to be reckoned with 2279 01:23:54,550 --> 01:23:56,291 on the island of Manhattan. 2280 01:23:56,422 --> 01:23:58,990 There was no greater proof 2281 01:23:59,121 --> 01:24:01,210 that could be offered by life 2282 01:24:01,340 --> 01:24:04,474 of the excellence of the Trump method 2283 01:24:04,603 --> 01:24:07,389 and the superiority of his own talents 2284 01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:11,175 than the completion of this grand project. 2285 01:24:11,307 --> 01:24:14,440 - By the way, uh, he is a chip off the old block. 2286 01:24:14,571 --> 01:24:16,007 This is-- - My father, Fred Trump. 2287 01:24:16,138 --> 01:24:18,053 - Right. 2288 01:24:18,183 --> 01:24:19,315 - You were gonna say somethig about your dad. 2289 01:24:19,445 --> 01:24:21,012 You said-- - He was very difficult 2290 01:24:21,143 --> 01:24:22,492 to work with. Number one, he was 2291 01:24:22,621 --> 01:24:24,407 a very tough man, 2292 01:24:24,537 --> 01:24:27,192 but he was also a--a man 2293 01:24:27,323 --> 01:24:28,889 that would never let anything go. 2294 01:24:29,020 --> 01:24:30,500 He was a very strong man. 2295 01:24:30,630 --> 01:24:33,633 He was a very detail-oriented perso, 2296 01:24:33,764 --> 01:24:35,200 but I did great deals for him. 2297 01:24:35,331 --> 01:24:36,375 In fact, he gave a statement 2298 01:24:36,505 --> 01:24:37,855 to "BusinessWeek" magazine 2299 01:24:37,985 --> 01:24:39,465 many, many years ago. 2300 01:24:39,596 --> 01:24:41,902 "Everything Donald touches turns to gold." 2301 01:24:42,032 --> 01:24:44,992 ♪ 2302 01:24:45,123 --> 01:24:46,559 - Donald Trump was never a man 2303 01:24:46,690 --> 01:24:48,866 who was dying to settle down. 2304 01:25:00,312 --> 01:25:03,272 ♪ 2305 01:25:03,402 --> 01:25:06,579 - The name Marla Maples came up shortly after that. 2306 01:25:06,710 --> 01:25:09,147 No guy likes talking about affairs, by the way. 2307 01:25:09,278 --> 01:25:11,018 [laughs] 2308 01:25:11,148 --> 01:25:12,933 - It had sex, it had beauty, 2309 01:25:13,064 --> 01:25:14,805 it had bazillions of bucks. 2310 01:25:14,934 --> 01:25:16,371 It had everything. 2311 01:25:16,502 --> 01:25:18,416 - The attention he got in the media 2312 01:25:18,548 --> 01:25:21,507 actually made him feel alive. 2313 01:25:21,638 --> 01:25:23,553 ♪ 2314 01:25:23,683 --> 01:25:25,380 - Boy, there's a lot of coverage there. 2315 01:25:25,511 --> 01:25:27,077 - Then gradually, of course, 2316 01:25:27,209 --> 01:25:28,514 things got out of control. 2317 01:25:28,645 --> 01:25:29,820 ♪ 2318 01:25:29,950 --> 01:25:31,300 - He was frightened. 2319 01:25:31,430 --> 01:25:33,476 Trump was staring at destroying 2320 01:25:33,606 --> 01:25:35,347 not only his own legacy, 2321 01:25:35,478 --> 01:25:37,175 but his father's legacy as well. 2322 01:25:37,306 --> 01:25:39,308 - But you have said that if you ran for president, 2323 01:25:39,438 --> 01:25:41,092 you'd win. - I think I'd have 2324 01:25:41,223 --> 01:25:42,528 a very good chance. I mean, I like to win. 2325 01:25:42,659 --> 01:25:45,052 - He's one of the greatest shows on Earth, 2326 01:25:45,183 --> 01:25:46,402 you don't know what he's going to do next, 2327 01:25:46,532 --> 01:25:51,102 and you can't stop watching. 150386

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