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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:02:45,707 --> 00:02:48,001 Computer: 2 00:04:14,004 --> 00:04:17,340 Nicholas cull: Every film is a product of its time. 3 00:04:17,466 --> 00:04:20,051 And every successful film tells you something 4 00:04:20,177 --> 00:04:22,095 about the time it was made. 5 00:04:22,220 --> 00:04:24,139 It's successful because it resonates 6 00:04:24,264 --> 00:04:29,102 with stories and images that people need to see 7 00:04:29,227 --> 00:04:31,730 at that particular point. 8 00:04:31,855 --> 00:04:33,207 Henry Jenkins: "Alien" is a radical break 9 00:04:33,231 --> 00:04:34,900 with science fiction. 10 00:04:35,025 --> 00:04:37,277 This is not the notion of the alien 11 00:04:37,402 --> 00:04:39,237 that we were building toward in something 12 00:04:39,362 --> 00:04:41,198 like "close encounters." 13 00:04:41,323 --> 00:04:42,508 Clarke wolfe: "Star wars" comes out, 14 00:04:42,532 --> 00:04:45,535 we have a fun space adventure. 15 00:04:45,660 --> 00:04:49,706 And then "alien" comes out, and people embrace it. 16 00:04:49,831 --> 00:04:53,001 And then just a couple of years later, "e.T." 17 00:04:53,126 --> 00:04:56,004 And John carpenter's "the thing" come out, 18 00:04:56,129 --> 00:05:01,301 and audiences resoundingly are like, no, thank you. 19 00:05:01,426 --> 00:05:03,929 We want our aliens to be nice and squishy 20 00:05:04,054 --> 00:05:05,639 and cool and eat candy. 21 00:05:05,764 --> 00:05:08,558 I think there's a special status that comes to some films 22 00:05:08,683 --> 00:05:11,853 that lodge in the audience's collective imagination, 23 00:05:11,978 --> 00:05:15,482 and I think "alien" is certainly one of those films. 24 00:05:15,607 --> 00:05:17,835 William linn: Tolkien talked about the cauldron of stories, 25 00:05:17,859 --> 00:05:19,361 and certainly, "alien" is an example 26 00:05:19,486 --> 00:05:22,781 of a story drawing from a real global set of myths. 27 00:05:22,906 --> 00:05:25,066 If you look at a somatics experiment, what you're going 28 00:05:25,116 --> 00:05:28,578 to see is sand that vibrates in a shape, 29 00:05:28,703 --> 00:05:31,790 and the shape changes based on the different vibrations. 30 00:05:31,915 --> 00:05:34,793 A myth is like something that vibrated from something 31 00:05:34,918 --> 00:05:36,795 deeper that you can't see. 32 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:38,964 You see a major curse in the form 33 00:05:39,089 --> 00:05:42,259 of the alien, who is very much a fury, 34 00:05:42,384 --> 00:05:45,220 responding to an imbalance. 35 00:05:45,345 --> 00:05:47,472 We're looking at a story where there 36 00:05:47,597 --> 00:05:51,768 is a piece of material prop that is now completely 37 00:05:51,893 --> 00:05:54,229 alive in our imaginations. 38 00:05:54,354 --> 00:05:55,730 It lives in our dreams. 39 00:05:55,856 --> 00:05:57,607 It lives in our cultural conversation. 40 00:05:57,732 --> 00:05:59,892 It's one of the biggest cultural dreams we've ever had. 41 00:06:09,661 --> 00:06:12,080 Diane o'bannon: I met Dan at usc. 42 00:06:12,205 --> 00:06:13,707 He was a real standout. 43 00:06:13,832 --> 00:06:15,250 You couldn't miss him. 44 00:06:15,375 --> 00:06:19,838 He was a wild man, unbounded by conventional reality. 45 00:06:19,963 --> 00:06:23,633 You couldn't call him an iconoclast, because he 46 00:06:23,758 --> 00:06:26,469 didn't have icons to break. 47 00:06:26,595 --> 00:06:28,555 He could be very offensive, and was frequently 48 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:30,765 offensive on purpose. 49 00:06:30,891 --> 00:06:34,311 He was hot, you know, emotionally hot, emotionally 50 00:06:34,436 --> 00:06:38,273 responsive, very angry. 51 00:06:38,398 --> 00:06:42,569 He was born and raised in rural Missouri and had no television. 52 00:06:42,694 --> 00:06:45,739 They didn't even have a telephone till he was 10. 53 00:06:45,864 --> 00:06:48,950 They lived in the middle of nowhere on 24 acres. 54 00:06:49,075 --> 00:06:50,660 And yet he knew all these things. 55 00:06:50,785 --> 00:06:52,505 They didn't even have a library in the town. 56 00:06:52,579 --> 00:06:56,082 His mother used to send off for boxes of books, 57 00:06:56,207 --> 00:06:57,959 and they would come, and he would read them, 58 00:06:58,084 --> 00:06:59,461 and then they'd send them back. 59 00:06:59,586 --> 00:07:01,963 Dan was always sneaking science fiction. 60 00:07:02,088 --> 00:07:05,759 His mother always wanted him to read good literature. 61 00:07:05,884 --> 00:07:07,427 And his mother would always say, you 62 00:07:07,552 --> 00:07:09,530 haven't got any of that science fiction in your backpack, 63 00:07:09,554 --> 00:07:10,931 have you? 64 00:07:11,056 --> 00:07:13,934 You're not taking that science fiction to school. 65 00:07:14,059 --> 00:07:18,355 His father owned a curio shop, it was called odd acres. 66 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:20,482 There was a sort of screwy Louie room, you know, 67 00:07:20,607 --> 00:07:22,609 where things were sort of off kilter, 68 00:07:22,734 --> 00:07:25,695 and everything looks like it's leaning. 69 00:07:25,820 --> 00:07:30,033 That was growing up in odd acres. 70 00:07:30,158 --> 00:07:32,786 One time his father faked a ufo landing. 71 00:07:36,581 --> 00:07:39,084 And Dan helped him, and then he had the press out there, 72 00:07:39,209 --> 00:07:40,627 you know? 73 00:07:40,752 --> 00:07:42,605 By direction of the president of the United States, 74 00:07:42,629 --> 00:07:43,713 stay in your homes. 75 00:07:43,838 --> 00:07:46,383 I repeat, stay in your homes. 76 00:07:46,508 --> 00:07:49,844 Reporter: Because in one moment of history-making violence, 77 00:07:49,970 --> 00:07:53,682 nature, mad, rampant, roared its most awesome creation. 78 00:07:53,807 --> 00:07:55,527 Diane o'bannon: There's a lot of bugs there. 79 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:59,479 And he was always very frightened, in a way, 80 00:07:59,604 --> 00:08:02,774 by the sudden appearance of bugs, 81 00:08:02,899 --> 00:08:08,279 like a stick insect and cicadas, massive invasions 82 00:08:08,405 --> 00:08:11,658 in southern Missouri, they would have hundreds of thousands 83 00:08:11,783 --> 00:08:14,119 of them come out of the ground and swarm over everything 84 00:08:14,244 --> 00:08:15,829 and then vanish and die. 85 00:08:15,954 --> 00:08:19,457 So these things really gave him the creeps. 86 00:08:19,582 --> 00:08:23,294 And he wanted to creep everybody else out too. 87 00:08:23,420 --> 00:08:25,630 But he was quite an artist. 88 00:08:25,755 --> 00:08:28,133 And when he was thinking of his monsters, 89 00:08:28,258 --> 00:08:31,469 he would sketch them out. 90 00:08:31,594 --> 00:08:34,639 Before "alien," Dan had written a screenplay called 91 00:08:34,764 --> 00:08:36,433 "they bite." 92 00:08:36,558 --> 00:08:38,935 It was "alien" before "alien." 93 00:08:39,060 --> 00:08:41,896 And it involved a cicada-like creature, 94 00:08:42,022 --> 00:08:44,941 but instead of being 13 years underground, 95 00:08:45,066 --> 00:08:48,528 it was several million years underground, 96 00:08:48,653 --> 00:08:51,614 and gradually picks off the people in the encampment one 97 00:08:51,740 --> 00:08:53,033 by one. 98 00:08:53,158 --> 00:08:55,702 It's a version of an alien creature 99 00:08:55,827 --> 00:08:59,873 evolving, needing an evolution, and being 100 00:08:59,998 --> 00:09:01,624 destructive in that evolution. 101 00:09:04,377 --> 00:09:07,047 O'bannon has this great line, says, 102 00:09:07,172 --> 00:09:08,631 "I didn't steal from anybody. 103 00:09:08,757 --> 00:09:10,050 I stole from everybody." 104 00:09:10,175 --> 00:09:13,094 And one of the places that he happily 105 00:09:13,219 --> 00:09:17,515 admitted that he stole from was a 1951 ec comic 106 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:19,142 called "seeds of Jupiter." 107 00:09:19,267 --> 00:09:21,686 There's just eight pages. 108 00:09:21,811 --> 00:09:23,646 It starts on an aircraft carrier, 109 00:09:23,772 --> 00:09:27,901 and this orb crashes onto the aircraft carrier, breaks apart, 110 00:09:28,026 --> 00:09:30,945 small orb, and it's got like, 50 seeds. 111 00:09:31,071 --> 00:09:33,573 And there are three Navy guys on the ship, 112 00:09:33,698 --> 00:09:37,202 and they're wondering what it is. 113 00:09:37,327 --> 00:09:40,080 One of them's called peach pit, and he likes to put peach pits 114 00:09:40,205 --> 00:09:41,605 in his mouth, and the other two guys 115 00:09:41,706 --> 00:09:44,417 sort of trick him into putting one of these seeds 116 00:09:44,542 --> 00:09:46,127 into his mouth. 117 00:09:46,252 --> 00:09:47,688 And then they slap the guy on the back, it's all good fun 118 00:09:47,712 --> 00:09:48,712 and he swallows. 119 00:09:51,132 --> 00:09:52,132 He gets terribly sick. 120 00:09:52,217 --> 00:09:52,967 He's dehydrated. 121 00:09:53,093 --> 00:09:54,093 It's emergency surgery. 122 00:09:54,177 --> 00:09:55,553 He's going die. 123 00:09:55,678 --> 00:09:57,597 The Navy surgeon takes a scalpel, 124 00:09:57,722 --> 00:10:00,725 cuts open his chest, Everybody shocked, 125 00:10:00,850 --> 00:10:06,523 and out pops this hideous, scaly, disgusting mini octopus. 126 00:10:06,648 --> 00:10:09,442 And then it literally scamper across the deck 127 00:10:09,567 --> 00:10:11,611 and plunges into the sea. 128 00:10:11,736 --> 00:10:15,156 And they go, well, we're never going to see that again. 129 00:10:15,281 --> 00:10:17,826 Guaranteeing that they'll be seeing that again. 130 00:10:21,746 --> 00:10:23,432 Tim boxell: The origin of "death rattle" was 131 00:10:23,456 --> 00:10:27,460 in a farmhouse in Minnesota. 132 00:10:27,585 --> 00:10:31,256 The story itself is some sort of astronaut 133 00:10:31,381 --> 00:10:33,216 coming across an object. 134 00:10:33,341 --> 00:10:36,636 It's the kind of statuary that you might see in a temple 135 00:10:36,761 --> 00:10:39,973 in some ancient civilization. 136 00:10:40,098 --> 00:10:42,976 In the process of sending it back, he drops it, 137 00:10:43,101 --> 00:10:44,978 he breaks it, and he releases something 138 00:10:45,103 --> 00:10:50,233 that's about to change his life in a very horrible way. 139 00:10:50,358 --> 00:10:53,528 He is attacked by this thing that gets into his body. 140 00:10:53,653 --> 00:10:56,698 He is effectively raped. 141 00:10:56,823 --> 00:11:01,411 His eyes are gouged out and something goes into his head. 142 00:11:01,536 --> 00:11:03,496 And from that point on, he becomes 143 00:11:03,621 --> 00:11:07,458 a receptacle for something that's taking him over. 144 00:11:07,584 --> 00:11:09,711 Something is transforming a person 145 00:11:09,836 --> 00:11:12,130 into something very, very different, 146 00:11:12,255 --> 00:11:14,174 very unfortunate, shall we say. 147 00:11:21,181 --> 00:11:24,809 As a healthy young kid growing up in the midwest in the 1950s 148 00:11:24,934 --> 00:11:27,395 and '60s, there were things going on in the world 149 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,689 that didn't quite make sense. 150 00:11:29,814 --> 00:11:31,900 Television was very safe and cleaned up, 151 00:11:32,025 --> 00:11:34,277 so I clamored for things that I wasn't 152 00:11:34,402 --> 00:11:38,114 getting from my civilization, from my culture. 153 00:11:38,239 --> 00:11:41,284 Dan o'bannon drew upon his experiences 154 00:11:41,409 --> 00:11:45,455 as a person from the midwest, reading comic books at the drug 155 00:11:45,580 --> 00:11:50,460 store, like I did, and brought that kind of sensibility 156 00:11:50,585 --> 00:11:54,714 and that outlook on the world to this major science 157 00:11:54,839 --> 00:11:57,926 fiction horror epic. 158 00:11:58,051 --> 00:12:02,805 The midwest may seem tranquil and civilized and so forth, 159 00:12:02,931 --> 00:12:04,891 but the fact is, you never know who's next door. 160 00:12:05,016 --> 00:12:06,911 You never know who's going to roll into town, you know, 161 00:12:06,935 --> 00:12:08,415 when the wheels are going to come off. 162 00:12:10,980 --> 00:12:13,816 It's like we're all, you know, one cough, one kiss, 163 00:12:13,942 --> 00:12:18,196 one scratch away from global disaster. 164 00:12:33,711 --> 00:12:36,130 Diane o'bannon: The influence of lovecraft on Dan 165 00:12:36,256 --> 00:12:38,049 was considerable. 166 00:12:38,174 --> 00:12:41,094 The eggs lying dormant on the planetoid 167 00:12:41,219 --> 00:12:43,805 is comparable to the cicada's million 168 00:12:43,930 --> 00:12:45,807 year life cycle, isn't it? 169 00:12:45,932 --> 00:12:47,701 Creatures coming out of the ground after being 170 00:12:47,725 --> 00:12:51,104 dormant for millions of years is superbly 171 00:12:51,229 --> 00:12:53,147 lovecraftian, completely. 172 00:12:53,273 --> 00:12:56,693 I think that's a pretty straight line between the two. 173 00:12:56,818 --> 00:12:58,778 St joshi: Lovecraft, in his own day, 174 00:12:58,903 --> 00:13:01,656 was a pioneer of science fiction. 175 00:13:01,781 --> 00:13:04,826 More specifically, his brand of horror fiction, which he 176 00:13:04,951 --> 00:13:06,744 called weird fiction. 177 00:13:06,869 --> 00:13:10,290 He felt that the essence of horror is the unknown, 178 00:13:10,415 --> 00:13:13,042 and what is most unknown, it is what 179 00:13:13,167 --> 00:13:15,211 is out there in the depths of space, 180 00:13:15,336 --> 00:13:18,756 and what has happened in the far distant past. 181 00:13:18,881 --> 00:13:22,010 Many of the features of "alien" have a lot 182 00:13:22,135 --> 00:13:23,720 to do with lovecraft's short novel, 183 00:13:23,845 --> 00:13:25,638 "at the mountains of madness." 184 00:13:25,763 --> 00:13:27,765 This is a novel he wrote in 1931. 185 00:13:27,890 --> 00:13:29,076 And it's something that he'd wanted 186 00:13:29,100 --> 00:13:30,727 to write for a long time, because he 187 00:13:30,852 --> 00:13:33,396 had been fascinated with the antarctic since he was a boy. 188 00:13:37,150 --> 00:13:39,986 An expedition from Massachusetts goes down there, 189 00:13:40,111 --> 00:13:45,450 and come upon fossilized remains of alien entities, which 190 00:13:45,575 --> 00:13:48,077 this expedition labels the old ones. 191 00:13:48,202 --> 00:13:51,080 Dallas: It's been dead a long time. 192 00:13:51,205 --> 00:13:53,833 Fossilized. 193 00:13:53,958 --> 00:13:55,227 St joshi: In the course of this novel, 194 00:13:55,251 --> 00:13:58,171 they become unfrozen and come to life. 195 00:13:58,296 --> 00:14:02,842 They cannot be defined by normal human or terrestrial biology. 196 00:14:02,967 --> 00:14:04,886 I have confirmed that he's got an outer layer 197 00:14:05,011 --> 00:14:08,681 of protein polysaccharides. 198 00:14:08,806 --> 00:14:10,767 Has funny habit of shedding his cells 199 00:14:10,892 --> 00:14:15,313 and replacing them with polarized silicon. 200 00:14:15,438 --> 00:14:18,900 St joshi: In fact, the explorers find this immense city 201 00:14:19,025 --> 00:14:21,319 that the old ones built hundreds of millions 202 00:14:21,444 --> 00:14:22,945 of years ago in the antarctic, full 203 00:14:23,071 --> 00:14:26,574 of very bizarre architecture. 204 00:14:26,699 --> 00:14:28,868 There are these alien creatures that 205 00:14:28,993 --> 00:14:31,037 are virtually indestructible. 206 00:14:31,162 --> 00:14:33,081 They simply cannot die. 207 00:14:33,206 --> 00:14:35,416 Ripley: How do we kill it, ash? 208 00:14:35,541 --> 00:14:36,935 There's gotta be a way of killing it. 209 00:14:36,959 --> 00:14:37,543 How? 210 00:14:37,668 --> 00:14:39,545 How do we do it? 211 00:14:39,670 --> 00:14:41,214 You can't. 212 00:14:41,339 --> 00:14:43,216 Classical science is based on the idea 213 00:14:43,341 --> 00:14:45,259 that matter is dead and inert. 214 00:14:45,385 --> 00:14:47,029 And this is true throughout western consciousness, 215 00:14:47,053 --> 00:14:48,773 from prometheus and pandora to Adam and Eve. 216 00:14:48,846 --> 00:14:52,058 Space is empty and quiet. 217 00:14:52,183 --> 00:14:53,267 Is it? 218 00:14:53,393 --> 00:14:55,103 That's a perspective that we have. 219 00:14:55,228 --> 00:14:57,230 And I think "alien" is very much the nightmare 220 00:14:57,355 --> 00:14:58,940 to that perspective. 221 00:14:59,065 --> 00:15:02,276 And you see this in the coptic jars where they move. 222 00:15:02,402 --> 00:15:04,695 And you see this when you get out into the depths of space 223 00:15:04,821 --> 00:15:06,421 where it's supposed to be quiet and dead, 224 00:15:06,447 --> 00:15:08,741 and instead, you find the boogeyman. 225 00:15:08,866 --> 00:15:10,761 St joshi: I cannot think of a film out there that comes 226 00:15:10,785 --> 00:15:13,079 anywhere close to "alien" capturing that overall 227 00:15:13,204 --> 00:15:14,622 lovecraftian atmosphere. 228 00:15:14,747 --> 00:15:17,291 That planetoid where the ship lands 229 00:15:17,417 --> 00:15:19,585 is a prototypical instance of what lovecraft 230 00:15:19,710 --> 00:15:21,754 called the fear of the unknown. 231 00:15:21,879 --> 00:15:26,717 It is a place completely uncharted by human expeditions. 232 00:15:26,843 --> 00:15:28,845 No big budget studio wanted to put a lot of money 233 00:15:28,970 --> 00:15:31,139 into making a pure lovecraft film, 234 00:15:31,264 --> 00:15:34,475 and so people like o'bannon and John carpenter and others 235 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:36,436 had to sort of use lovecraftian elements 236 00:15:36,561 --> 00:15:39,647 covertly to infuse lovecraftian themes 237 00:15:39,772 --> 00:15:41,691 into works that were not explicitly 238 00:15:41,816 --> 00:15:42,936 based on any of the stories. 239 00:15:45,736 --> 00:15:48,614 Nicholas cull: "Alien" didn't come out of a creative vacuum. 240 00:15:48,739 --> 00:15:53,870 It drew on a whole heritage of American science fiction. 241 00:15:53,995 --> 00:15:55,580 You could make the argument that "alien" 242 00:15:55,705 --> 00:15:58,833 certainly borrows from "it, the terror from beyond space" 243 00:15:58,958 --> 00:16:01,335 from 1958. 244 00:16:01,461 --> 00:16:05,840 A crew of 10 goes to Mars to recover the lone survivor 245 00:16:05,965 --> 00:16:07,842 of a previous expedition. 246 00:16:07,967 --> 00:16:10,011 The rest of his crew has been wiped out. 247 00:16:10,136 --> 00:16:12,597 Edward carothers: Today, of all my crew, 248 00:16:12,722 --> 00:16:15,349 I, colonel Edward carothers of the United States space 249 00:16:15,475 --> 00:16:18,728 command, am the only one alive. 250 00:16:18,853 --> 00:16:20,372 Ben mankiewicz: They obviously think he did it. 251 00:16:20,396 --> 00:16:21,939 He says, no, an alien did it. 252 00:16:22,064 --> 00:16:23,816 What are you thinking about? 253 00:16:23,941 --> 00:16:26,110 Those nine bodies you left down there? 254 00:16:26,235 --> 00:16:28,404 Yes. 255 00:16:28,529 --> 00:16:31,115 But I didn't kill them. 256 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,534 Spoiler, it was an alien. 257 00:16:33,659 --> 00:16:39,123 The alien stows away on the ship and starts picking 258 00:16:39,248 --> 00:16:42,502 the crew off one by one. 259 00:16:42,627 --> 00:16:45,087 It's hiding in the air ducts. 260 00:16:45,213 --> 00:16:47,298 Bullets, grenades, nothing stops it. 261 00:16:47,423 --> 00:16:49,133 What do we do now? 262 00:16:49,258 --> 00:16:51,058 Ben mankiewicz: And it's killed by an airlock. 263 00:16:53,971 --> 00:16:56,432 Nicholas cull: "The thing" from 1951 264 00:16:56,557 --> 00:16:58,851 is very present with the idea of this creature 265 00:16:58,976 --> 00:17:01,562 that kind of hatches, that mimics, 266 00:17:01,687 --> 00:17:05,816 that is in a working environment. 267 00:17:05,942 --> 00:17:09,111 You can go to the 60s and look at "planet of the vampires," 268 00:17:09,237 --> 00:17:12,615 where they find this giant alien corpse. 269 00:17:12,740 --> 00:17:14,617 Doesn't look like any ship I've ever seen. 270 00:17:14,742 --> 00:17:16,827 Do you think it belongs to the orients? 271 00:17:16,953 --> 00:17:18,329 I doubt it. 272 00:17:18,454 --> 00:17:19,473 I doubt if the orients ever built any spaceships. 273 00:17:19,497 --> 00:17:20,581 If they... 274 00:17:20,706 --> 00:17:21,986 - we would have... - Look, Mark. 275 00:17:25,628 --> 00:17:28,214 One of the films that "alien" draws quite heavily from 276 00:17:28,339 --> 00:17:33,261 is a 1966 film produced by Roger corman called "queen of blood." 277 00:17:33,386 --> 00:17:34,386 Listen. 278 00:17:39,141 --> 00:17:41,727 We've been picking up these signals now for three days. 279 00:17:41,852 --> 00:17:45,231 Nicholas cull: An alien distress signal is received by earth. 280 00:17:45,356 --> 00:17:48,609 Astronauts go out to find the source of the signal. 281 00:17:48,734 --> 00:17:50,611 They land on a planetoid. 282 00:17:50,736 --> 00:17:53,072 There's this strange sandstorm. 283 00:17:53,197 --> 00:17:55,199 They go into an alien vessel. 284 00:17:55,324 --> 00:17:58,578 They find a dead alien sitting in a chair, 285 00:17:58,703 --> 00:18:01,914 encounter an alien who they're bringing back to earth, 286 00:18:02,039 --> 00:18:04,208 and the alien begins individually 287 00:18:04,333 --> 00:18:07,837 attacking members of the crew. 288 00:18:07,962 --> 00:18:12,049 And at the end of the film, the humans are left quite literally 289 00:18:12,174 --> 00:18:15,136 holding a tray of her eggs. 290 00:18:15,261 --> 00:18:19,223 Is this the beginning of the end for humanity? 291 00:18:23,102 --> 00:18:25,104 Ian Nathan: John carpenter roped in Dan o'bannon 292 00:18:25,229 --> 00:18:27,440 to helping him make the student science fiction 293 00:18:27,565 --> 00:18:28,983 film called "dark star." 294 00:18:29,108 --> 00:18:31,485 And it was about the crew of a spaceship... 295 00:18:31,611 --> 00:18:32,862 This might sound familiar... 296 00:18:32,987 --> 00:18:34,739 Who then is assailed by an alien who 297 00:18:34,864 --> 00:18:36,657 sort of stows away on the ship. 298 00:18:36,782 --> 00:18:38,242 Diane o'bannon: "Dark star," that's 299 00:18:38,367 --> 00:18:41,412 the comic version of "alien." 300 00:18:41,537 --> 00:18:43,056 One makes you laugh, and the other one's 301 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,166 going to eat you alive. 302 00:18:45,291 --> 00:18:47,291 Ian Nathan: Carpenter wanted sole directing credit, 303 00:18:47,335 --> 00:18:50,463 and o'bannon felt he'd done enough to get cowriting credit. 304 00:18:50,588 --> 00:18:52,632 So they had this kind of big falling out. 305 00:18:52,757 --> 00:18:54,884 And o'bannon's first thought is that, well, 306 00:18:55,009 --> 00:18:56,636 I can go and do this on my own. 307 00:18:56,761 --> 00:19:01,307 I will write a story, a science fiction story 308 00:19:01,432 --> 00:19:02,808 that will beat "dark star." 309 00:19:02,933 --> 00:19:04,661 Wouldn't you consider another course of action? 310 00:19:04,685 --> 00:19:07,521 For example, just waiting around a while so we can disarm you? 311 00:19:07,647 --> 00:19:08,773 Bomb #20: No. 312 00:19:08,898 --> 00:19:10,125 Because I'm not going to do a comedy, 313 00:19:10,149 --> 00:19:11,543 I'm going to do it as a horror movie. 314 00:19:11,567 --> 00:19:13,986 Computer: The ship will automatically destruct 315 00:19:14,111 --> 00:19:19,241 in t-minus five minutes. 316 00:19:19,367 --> 00:19:22,578 You bitch! 317 00:19:22,703 --> 00:19:25,206 A lot of things bother me about "dark star." 318 00:19:25,331 --> 00:19:29,418 We had an alien in it, which was a beach ball. 319 00:19:29,543 --> 00:19:31,879 It was our second try on that alien. 320 00:19:32,004 --> 00:19:35,841 I went away from "dark star" really wanting to do 321 00:19:35,966 --> 00:19:37,843 an alien that looked real. 322 00:19:42,598 --> 00:19:45,726 Diane o'bannon: Jodorowsky saw "dark star," which is how he 323 00:19:45,851 --> 00:19:48,270 found out about Dan o'bannon. 324 00:19:48,396 --> 00:19:52,316 Nobody in Hollywood was impressed with jodorowsky. 325 00:19:52,441 --> 00:19:54,151 So he said, well, to hell with you. 326 00:19:54,276 --> 00:19:59,448 So he found Dan and said, come work on "dune" with me. 327 00:19:59,573 --> 00:20:03,786 If you want to look to the first magic, 328 00:20:03,911 --> 00:20:08,833 I think you have to go back to jodorowsky. 329 00:20:08,958 --> 00:20:10,501 Jodorowsky was his guru. 330 00:20:10,626 --> 00:20:11,961 He adored him. 331 00:20:12,086 --> 00:20:14,088 I've never met him and I adore him. 332 00:20:14,213 --> 00:20:17,007 Not only is there a synchronicity that connects 333 00:20:17,133 --> 00:20:20,678 "dune" and "alien," there's almost an archetypal 334 00:20:20,803 --> 00:20:23,389 counterbalance between the two. 335 00:20:23,514 --> 00:20:26,934 If "dune" is the tower of babel, "alien" is exactly what 336 00:20:27,059 --> 00:20:28,644 brings down that tower. 337 00:20:28,769 --> 00:20:31,147 In the same way that "alien" is the response to prometheus 338 00:20:31,272 --> 00:20:33,232 trying to steal fire from the heavens, 339 00:20:33,357 --> 00:20:36,277 the movie "alien" is also a response, energetically, 340 00:20:36,402 --> 00:20:41,198 archetypally, to the tower of babel project that was "dune." 341 00:20:41,323 --> 00:20:44,034 Diane o'bannon: When "dune" collapsed in Paris, 342 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,872 Dan came back and actually crashed on the couch 343 00:20:47,997 --> 00:20:51,083 in the house I was living in with a bunch of people 344 00:20:51,208 --> 00:20:52,602 because he didn't have anywhere to go. 345 00:20:52,626 --> 00:20:54,295 And it... he... 346 00:20:54,420 --> 00:20:56,338 He was completely at a loss. 347 00:20:56,464 --> 00:21:00,384 Eventually, he... we said, you got to go. 348 00:21:00,509 --> 00:21:04,221 So somehow, he wound up on Ron shusett's couch. 349 00:21:04,346 --> 00:21:08,184 I went back to storage, got my typewriter out, took it over 350 00:21:08,309 --> 00:21:11,729 to Ronnie shusett's living room, and over the days and nights 351 00:21:11,854 --> 00:21:15,232 of the next three months, Ron keeping me 352 00:21:15,357 --> 00:21:17,276 alive by feeding me hot dogs. 353 00:21:17,401 --> 00:21:18,569 We were both starving. 354 00:21:18,694 --> 00:21:21,030 My wife was supporting us. 355 00:21:21,155 --> 00:21:23,574 We had two rooms, that's all we had. 356 00:21:23,699 --> 00:21:25,177 Diane o'bannon: He made up a board game 357 00:21:25,201 --> 00:21:28,704 called poverty, sort of the opposite of monopoly. 358 00:21:28,829 --> 00:21:31,791 You've got to land on enough spaces to pay the rent. 359 00:21:31,916 --> 00:21:34,877 You're out on the street if you can't afford to stay. 360 00:21:35,002 --> 00:21:37,880 It's absolutely a scream. 361 00:21:38,005 --> 00:21:43,052 In 1971, Dan was working on a story he called "memory." 362 00:21:43,177 --> 00:21:47,139 It's basically the first 30 pages of "alien." 363 00:21:47,264 --> 00:21:48,533 Dan o'bannon: I had this opening. 364 00:21:48,557 --> 00:21:50,184 I didn't know where it was gonna go. 365 00:21:50,309 --> 00:21:53,187 I wanted to do a scary movie on a spaceship with a small number 366 00:21:53,312 --> 00:21:54,688 of astronauts. 367 00:21:54,814 --> 00:21:57,066 They're receiving a signal in an alien language. 368 00:21:57,191 --> 00:21:58,526 They go down to investigate. 369 00:21:58,651 --> 00:22:01,195 Their ship breaks down. 370 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:02,631 Diane o'bannon: Dan called it "memory," 371 00:22:02,655 --> 00:22:04,990 because some influence in the planet 372 00:22:05,115 --> 00:22:08,619 gradually made them lose their memory. 373 00:22:08,744 --> 00:22:10,024 But that's where this story ends. 374 00:22:13,624 --> 00:22:15,209 Ron shusett: He says, ok, I'm going 375 00:22:15,334 --> 00:22:18,003 to give you the first act I've got to this original horror 376 00:22:18,128 --> 00:22:19,463 movie I wrote. 377 00:22:19,588 --> 00:22:21,757 I can't get past page 29. 378 00:22:21,882 --> 00:22:23,259 Maybe you can help me do that. 379 00:22:23,384 --> 00:22:25,010 So I read it. 380 00:22:25,135 --> 00:22:28,013 29 pages was almost exactly like you saw in the final finished 381 00:22:28,138 --> 00:22:29,640 product of the "alien" movie. 382 00:22:29,765 --> 00:22:31,851 It was fantastic. 383 00:22:31,976 --> 00:22:34,979 Dan said, there's a key to everything. 384 00:22:35,104 --> 00:22:38,399 The key is how does the alien get on board? 385 00:22:38,524 --> 00:22:43,028 His concept was always it would come out of your stomach. 386 00:22:43,153 --> 00:22:45,406 Dan had a very bad case of crohn's 387 00:22:45,531 --> 00:22:48,450 disease, which basically appeared while he 388 00:22:48,576 --> 00:22:50,536 was filming "dark star." 389 00:22:50,661 --> 00:22:53,330 So he was, what, 24, 25? 390 00:22:53,455 --> 00:22:56,083 And it eventually killed him. 391 00:22:56,208 --> 00:22:59,503 But it was an intestinal disorder 392 00:22:59,628 --> 00:23:02,506 that sometimes felt like it was devouring him, I think. 393 00:23:02,631 --> 00:23:04,150 Linda and I would sometimes have to take him 394 00:23:04,174 --> 00:23:07,011 to the emergency center in the middle of the night 395 00:23:07,136 --> 00:23:08,679 when the pain was so great. 396 00:23:08,804 --> 00:23:11,056 And at the same time, he'd been having conversations 397 00:23:11,181 --> 00:23:15,477 with Ron shusett about wasps that procreate by planting 398 00:23:15,603 --> 00:23:18,147 that eggs into other insects. 399 00:23:18,272 --> 00:23:20,542 It was kind of all these things sort of come together and were 400 00:23:20,566 --> 00:23:22,151 being sown into the script. 401 00:23:22,276 --> 00:23:24,445 Ron in a way was really fascinated 402 00:23:24,570 --> 00:23:30,826 with the idea of human beings being a host for... 403 00:23:30,951 --> 00:23:34,455 For an embryo, that human beings were 404 00:23:34,580 --> 00:23:35,956 the nutrition for an embryo. 405 00:23:38,709 --> 00:23:40,562 Ron shusett: He didn't have it in the script at all 406 00:23:40,586 --> 00:23:42,355 that it would implant something in his stomach 407 00:23:42,379 --> 00:23:43,422 and it would grow there. 408 00:23:43,547 --> 00:23:45,174 So I went to sleep. 409 00:23:45,299 --> 00:23:47,676 And I'm aware... it wasn't dreaming. 410 00:23:47,801 --> 00:23:49,094 It was something else. 411 00:23:49,219 --> 00:23:52,306 It was when your mind is in the subconscious. 412 00:23:52,431 --> 00:23:55,100 I was wrestling with a property in my sleep. 413 00:23:55,225 --> 00:23:57,037 I woke him up, I went right into his studio and I said, 414 00:23:57,061 --> 00:23:57,645 I have it. 415 00:23:57,770 --> 00:23:58,354 I have it. 416 00:23:58,479 --> 00:23:59,188 He said, what? 417 00:23:59,313 --> 00:24:00,147 You have the answer? 418 00:24:00,272 --> 00:24:00,856 I said, I have the answer. 419 00:24:00,981 --> 00:24:01,565 The alien fucks. 420 00:24:01,690 --> 00:24:02,900 He said, what? 421 00:24:03,025 --> 00:24:04,568 What are you talking about? 422 00:24:04,693 --> 00:24:08,364 I said, jumps on his face, it's a little creature then, 423 00:24:08,489 --> 00:24:12,409 little baby squid-like, sticks a tube down his throat, 424 00:24:12,534 --> 00:24:15,704 starts feeding him air, but he's implanting his seed. 425 00:24:15,829 --> 00:24:17,331 And it's going to grow inside him 426 00:24:17,456 --> 00:24:19,576 and burst out of his chest in the middle of the movie. 427 00:24:32,304 --> 00:24:33,744 Carl zimmer: There are over a million 428 00:24:33,806 --> 00:24:36,475 species of parasitic wasps. 429 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,646 That means that of all the animals in the animal kingdom, 430 00:24:40,771 --> 00:24:45,567 the number one form of animal is a parasitic wasp. 431 00:24:45,693 --> 00:24:52,282 There are wasps that like to make caterpillars their host. 432 00:24:52,408 --> 00:24:55,619 They can also release chemicals that control 433 00:24:55,744 --> 00:24:57,579 the behavior of their host. 434 00:24:57,705 --> 00:25:00,332 And everything it eats is going to feed 435 00:25:00,457 --> 00:25:05,129 these larvae that are growing inside of its body cavity. 436 00:25:05,254 --> 00:25:07,589 On the outside, they look completely normal. 437 00:25:07,715 --> 00:25:12,469 So John hurt having breakfast, that's a caterpillar with 438 00:25:12,594 --> 00:25:14,304 wasps inside of it. 439 00:25:14,430 --> 00:25:17,558 And then once those wasps are ready, 440 00:25:17,683 --> 00:25:20,060 they just blast their way out of their host. 441 00:25:20,185 --> 00:25:22,688 And if that's lethal to the host, fine. 442 00:25:22,813 --> 00:25:24,982 It doesn't matter. 443 00:25:25,107 --> 00:25:29,862 Ridley Scott liked to show film footage of one species of wasp 444 00:25:29,987 --> 00:25:33,532 in particular to his crew, and this is something 445 00:25:33,657 --> 00:25:35,159 known as the wood wasp. 446 00:25:35,284 --> 00:25:38,078 These wasps have to basically find a way 447 00:25:38,203 --> 00:25:41,999 to stick their wasp bags inside of beetle larvae that 448 00:25:42,124 --> 00:25:45,419 can be deep inside of wood. 449 00:25:45,544 --> 00:25:48,130 So there are all these alien things 450 00:25:48,255 --> 00:25:50,090 that parasites are doing all around us, 451 00:25:50,215 --> 00:25:53,135 and scientists are trying to make sense of that in the way 452 00:25:53,260 --> 00:25:56,305 that the crew nostromo was trying to make sense of it 453 00:25:56,430 --> 00:25:58,223 with the alien. 454 00:25:58,348 --> 00:25:59,475 Ripley: That's amazing. 455 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,269 What is it? 456 00:26:02,394 --> 00:26:03,645 Why, yes, it is. 457 00:26:03,771 --> 00:26:08,233 Um, I don't know yet. 458 00:26:08,358 --> 00:26:11,153 Carl zimmer: Getting inside something else 459 00:26:11,278 --> 00:26:16,825 and feeding on it from within is a really great way 460 00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:20,412 to survive and evolve. 461 00:26:20,537 --> 00:26:25,918 The alien is just fitting into this fundamental basic pattern 462 00:26:26,043 --> 00:26:29,797 that you find on life, probably the most successful way 463 00:26:29,922 --> 00:26:30,922 to be alive on earth. 464 00:26:54,446 --> 00:26:57,157 Giger really came from Dan o'bannon. 465 00:26:57,282 --> 00:27:00,077 Dan suggested him on a stroke of genius. 466 00:27:00,202 --> 00:27:02,329 Giger consolidates every monster 467 00:27:02,454 --> 00:27:05,874 from every mythology around the world into a single creature. 468 00:27:05,999 --> 00:27:07,543 He embodies the mythic other. 469 00:27:07,668 --> 00:27:09,169 Diane o'bannon: Jodorowsky rescue 470 00:27:09,294 --> 00:27:11,922 went to an opening of some of giger's artwork in Paris 471 00:27:12,047 --> 00:27:14,424 and brought the book back. 472 00:27:14,550 --> 00:27:19,429 Dan looked at it and was just knocked dead by the artwork. 473 00:27:19,555 --> 00:27:22,683 They were fantastic, sexual, mechanical, 474 00:27:22,808 --> 00:27:27,563 biological amalgamation that was completely new. 475 00:27:27,688 --> 00:27:30,065 Ron shusett: It does express giger's own admiration 476 00:27:30,190 --> 00:27:35,362 for lovecraft as a pioneer in envisioning creatures 477 00:27:35,487 --> 00:27:38,115 far beyond human conception. 478 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,702 Diane o'bannon: I think Dan and giger met at the lovecraft 479 00:27:41,827 --> 00:27:47,082 level, that sort of creeping horror and unnamed horror 480 00:27:47,207 --> 00:27:51,545 that you are free yourself to define. 481 00:27:51,670 --> 00:27:54,673 Dan and giger both had similar interests 482 00:27:54,798 --> 00:27:56,550 in the "necronomicon 483 00:27:56,675 --> 00:27:59,386 while giger was doing paintings on that theme, 484 00:27:59,511 --> 00:28:02,431 Dan was also writing his version of the "necronomicon," 485 00:28:02,556 --> 00:28:03,432 which I still have. 486 00:28:03,557 --> 00:28:04,308 Its unpublished. 487 00:28:04,433 --> 00:28:07,603 It's a... a printed work. 488 00:28:07,728 --> 00:28:09,646 Bijan aalam: Giger was a mystic. 489 00:28:09,771 --> 00:28:13,609 He had his own mythology, his own cosmology. 490 00:28:13,734 --> 00:28:16,987 He took like a bee from different flowers 491 00:28:17,112 --> 00:28:23,619 to feed his own imagination and make his own honey with it. 492 00:28:23,744 --> 00:28:27,080 He's the mythology of the future. 493 00:28:27,206 --> 00:28:32,628 Of course, there is an Egyptian touch to "alien." 494 00:28:32,753 --> 00:28:36,215 Hans, his favorite culture was Egypt. 495 00:28:36,340 --> 00:28:39,092 When he was five years old, he went with his sister 496 00:28:39,218 --> 00:28:40,802 to the museum. 497 00:28:40,928 --> 00:28:42,721 In the cellar, there was this mummy, 498 00:28:42,846 --> 00:28:47,434 an Egyptian mummy, and hans, he was quite afraid of it. 499 00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:49,811 He was so deeply impressed by the black bones 500 00:28:49,937 --> 00:28:51,396 and the black skin. 501 00:28:51,521 --> 00:28:54,691 From then on, he went almost every Sunday. 502 00:28:54,816 --> 00:28:59,363 He was absolutely fascinated by the pyramids. 503 00:28:59,488 --> 00:29:00,989 William linn: In early storyboards, 504 00:29:01,114 --> 00:29:04,618 you can actually see that the derelict was a pyramid. 505 00:29:04,743 --> 00:29:08,080 And then later, Ridley Scott envisions this kind 506 00:29:08,205 --> 00:29:12,084 of ritual area of ruins. 507 00:29:12,209 --> 00:29:14,753 This ship is an emblem, is a remnant 508 00:29:14,878 --> 00:29:17,965 of a formerly great culture, an ancient civilization 509 00:29:18,090 --> 00:29:20,634 that's been long lost to time. 510 00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:22,799 That tells us that we should think of the spaceship, 511 00:29:22,886 --> 00:29:25,222 the derelict, as a temple. 512 00:29:25,347 --> 00:29:27,599 I think the derelict is a Crescent moon, and ultimately, 513 00:29:27,724 --> 00:29:30,269 a symbol of death. 514 00:29:30,394 --> 00:29:32,074 You see crescents all throughout the story. 515 00:29:35,399 --> 00:29:38,110 In the original screenplay, the pods 516 00:29:38,235 --> 00:29:42,322 were in a kind of pyramid structure called the temple. 517 00:29:42,447 --> 00:29:46,910 That was removed because of budget considerations 518 00:29:47,035 --> 00:29:49,788 in the production. 519 00:29:49,913 --> 00:29:52,416 Carmen giger: Three stages of the alien, you know, 520 00:29:52,541 --> 00:29:57,087 where the hole was put into a pyramid, and on top of it all, 521 00:29:57,212 --> 00:30:00,465 is nut, the Egyptian goddess of the night 522 00:30:00,590 --> 00:30:03,552 sky with stars in her belly. 523 00:30:03,677 --> 00:30:06,888 And I think that was really beautiful. 524 00:30:07,014 --> 00:30:10,809 William linn: You see being born from her the heavens. 525 00:30:10,934 --> 00:30:13,478 And in many ways, this becomes an image 526 00:30:13,603 --> 00:30:16,189 of the alien giving birth to this species 527 00:30:16,315 --> 00:30:18,692 that could devour the heavens. 528 00:30:18,817 --> 00:30:23,905 Nut represents the duad itself, the realm of the dead, 529 00:30:24,031 --> 00:30:26,616 the realm of night, the realm of the stars. 530 00:30:26,742 --> 00:30:28,368 This is where the sun goes every night. 531 00:30:28,493 --> 00:30:31,371 This is where the soul goes between life and death. 532 00:30:31,496 --> 00:30:34,041 We are in the aliens domain in this whole story. 533 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:43,091 The first I saw of the "alien" script was an early version. 534 00:30:43,216 --> 00:30:45,427 Dan o'bannon brought it to me. 535 00:30:45,552 --> 00:30:50,223 And as I recall, the original title was "star beast." 536 00:30:50,349 --> 00:30:55,729 I liked the script, and I wanted to make it, but I said to Dan, 537 00:30:55,854 --> 00:30:58,899 this really requires a bigger budget 538 00:30:59,024 --> 00:31:01,276 than what I'm able to spend. 539 00:31:01,401 --> 00:31:03,987 Why don't you shop it around and see 540 00:31:04,112 --> 00:31:06,365 if you can get a big budget. 541 00:31:06,490 --> 00:31:10,285 If you can't get the big budget, come back to me 542 00:31:10,410 --> 00:31:13,914 and I will buy the script and make the picture. 543 00:31:14,039 --> 00:31:15,665 Ian Nathan: And a guy called Mark 544 00:31:15,791 --> 00:31:19,211 hager got this script into the pile at Walter hill's office. 545 00:31:19,336 --> 00:31:22,631 And it must have been a day when Walter hill was at a loose end. 546 00:31:22,756 --> 00:31:24,925 He happened upon "star beast." 547 00:31:25,050 --> 00:31:26,652 Now, he thought "star beast" was one of the worst 548 00:31:26,676 --> 00:31:28,428 scripts he'd ever read. 549 00:31:28,553 --> 00:31:30,180 He just thought it was awful. 550 00:31:30,305 --> 00:31:36,978 But he stopped, page whatever, 30, whatever it was, and went, 551 00:31:37,104 --> 00:31:38,563 what the hell? 552 00:31:38,688 --> 00:31:43,568 When brandywine showed interest and optioned "alien," 553 00:31:43,693 --> 00:31:47,572 Dan was, of course, being a pest and insistent that they 554 00:31:47,697 --> 00:31:50,700 use giger for the creature. 555 00:31:50,826 --> 00:31:58,458 This is the letter to geiger from Dan dated July 1, 1977. 556 00:31:58,583 --> 00:32:01,795 "Dear giger, this week I've moved into offices 557 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,839 of brandywine productions where we 558 00:32:03,964 --> 00:32:06,675 are beginning to make the design decisions for our film. 559 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,177 The producers, Gordon carroll and David giler, 560 00:32:09,302 --> 00:32:11,221 and the director, Walter hill, are 561 00:32:11,346 --> 00:32:13,223 as excited as I am about the possibilities 562 00:32:13,348 --> 00:32:16,726 of your lending your unique talents to our picture. 563 00:32:16,852 --> 00:32:19,146 Look over the enclosed description of the designs we 564 00:32:19,271 --> 00:32:21,440 need, then let us know how much you would 565 00:32:21,565 --> 00:32:23,650 ask for the paintings involved. 566 00:32:23,775 --> 00:32:27,487 When we agree, we send you a check for $1,000 as an advance 567 00:32:27,612 --> 00:32:29,990 against future payments. 568 00:32:30,115 --> 00:32:34,119 Yeah, well, brandywine didn't want to pay the $1,000, 569 00:32:34,244 --> 00:32:39,082 so Dan sent him a personal check for $1,000. 570 00:32:39,207 --> 00:32:41,918 The face hugger, that was my first thing 571 00:32:42,043 --> 00:32:44,629 I did for Dan o'bannon. 572 00:32:44,754 --> 00:32:48,508 He gave me explanation and drawings, 573 00:32:48,633 --> 00:32:51,928 and he said that he's jumping on a big egg, 574 00:32:52,053 --> 00:32:54,723 this egg is about that, so. 575 00:32:54,848 --> 00:32:57,809 And I thought that must be quite a big monster, so I 576 00:32:57,934 --> 00:33:01,730 did an enormous facehugger. 577 00:33:01,855 --> 00:33:04,858 And then he was jumping, I thought 578 00:33:04,983 --> 00:33:09,738 he could jump when his tail is like, it's curved like a spring 579 00:33:09,863 --> 00:33:13,783 of the Jack in the box. 580 00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:15,303 Diane o'bannon: And from those sketches, 581 00:33:15,327 --> 00:33:17,454 he went ahead and did the paintings. 582 00:33:17,579 --> 00:33:21,458 And that's why the paintings say Dan o'bannon's alien, 583 00:33:21,583 --> 00:33:23,793 because Dan paid for them. 584 00:33:23,919 --> 00:33:27,005 Fox hierarchy come in to see some of the designs, 585 00:33:27,130 --> 00:33:28,548 and they fired him. 586 00:33:28,673 --> 00:33:30,759 Gordon carroll finally said, this guy is just sick. 587 00:33:30,884 --> 00:33:31,885 Get him off our lot. 588 00:33:32,010 --> 00:33:33,170 Send him back to Switzerland. 589 00:33:33,261 --> 00:33:34,846 We're having none of it. 590 00:33:34,971 --> 00:33:36,890 So giger was gone. 591 00:33:37,015 --> 00:33:39,893 Fox is full speed ahead with brandywine. 592 00:33:40,018 --> 00:33:41,996 They're in preproduction Walter hill is going to direct 593 00:33:42,020 --> 00:33:43,647 the film, and all of a sudden, the studio 594 00:33:43,772 --> 00:33:46,399 gets a call from Walter hill, basically, where he says, yeah, 595 00:33:46,525 --> 00:33:47,525 I'm not going to... 596 00:33:47,609 --> 00:33:49,444 I'm not going to make this movie. 597 00:33:49,569 --> 00:33:51,112 I never really believed in it. 598 00:33:51,238 --> 00:33:53,090 I don't think it's that great, and I got another picture 599 00:33:53,114 --> 00:33:54,199 I'm going to do here. 600 00:33:54,324 --> 00:33:56,117 So good luck. 601 00:33:56,243 --> 00:33:57,536 I'm out. 602 00:33:57,661 --> 00:34:00,539 And that other picture was "southern comfort." 603 00:34:00,664 --> 00:34:02,082 Not a bad movie. 604 00:34:02,207 --> 00:34:03,500 Not "alien." 605 00:34:03,625 --> 00:34:06,002 I read the script, and I thought, well, this is 606 00:34:06,127 --> 00:34:09,422 very solid, very interesting. 607 00:34:09,548 --> 00:34:11,967 It's not really an actor's script. 608 00:34:12,092 --> 00:34:14,177 There was no one else attached, and they're 609 00:34:14,302 --> 00:34:18,765 asking me to get involved in what was then 610 00:34:18,890 --> 00:34:22,352 a budgeted film for $2 million. 611 00:34:22,477 --> 00:34:26,565 $2 million sounds like an ed wood movie. 612 00:34:26,690 --> 00:34:29,526 So I turned it down. 613 00:34:29,651 --> 00:34:33,780 Ridley and I had just finished off the do list. 614 00:34:33,905 --> 00:34:35,407 There was this thing between Ridley 615 00:34:35,532 --> 00:34:38,326 and I about Sci-Fi, and that I was the Sci-Fi fanatic. 616 00:34:38,451 --> 00:34:40,662 And all the films that I used to show him, 617 00:34:40,787 --> 00:34:44,499 he would completely disparage and say, 618 00:34:44,624 --> 00:34:46,585 no, that's a pile of shit. 619 00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:49,004 He had the script through the door called the "alien," 620 00:34:49,129 --> 00:34:51,506 and I tried to say, well, let me read it, et cetera, 621 00:34:51,631 --> 00:34:54,009 and for some reason or other, this time, 622 00:34:54,134 --> 00:34:57,095 he said, no, no, no, no, I'll read it first. 623 00:34:57,220 --> 00:34:58,680 And so he was in the next door office 624 00:34:58,805 --> 00:35:02,434 where we made commercials, and I remember him 625 00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:05,854 sitting there going, fuck me. 626 00:35:05,979 --> 00:35:07,814 Tom skerritt: I got a call a few weeks later, 627 00:35:07,939 --> 00:35:11,109 and they said, well, the budget's up to $10 million, 628 00:35:11,234 --> 00:35:15,030 and a director named Ridley Scott is going to direct it. 629 00:35:15,155 --> 00:35:17,198 I said, sold. 630 00:35:17,324 --> 00:35:19,909 I got a phone call from Ridley saying, 631 00:35:20,035 --> 00:35:22,996 get your backside down to shepperton now. 632 00:35:23,121 --> 00:35:26,166 So I drove straight down there. 633 00:35:26,291 --> 00:35:30,420 Diane o'bannon: When brandywine brought Ridley on was when Dan 634 00:35:30,545 --> 00:35:33,089 really got an ally in a lot of what 635 00:35:33,214 --> 00:35:36,676 he wanted for "alien" to be. 636 00:35:36,801 --> 00:35:39,763 Very, very rare occurrence when the writer can 637 00:35:39,888 --> 00:35:41,806 have that amount of influence. 638 00:35:41,931 --> 00:35:43,159 Ron shusett: We thought he was gonna 639 00:35:43,183 --> 00:35:44,535 be the wrong director for it, and he 640 00:35:44,559 --> 00:35:46,645 turned out to be the greatest visual stylist 641 00:35:46,770 --> 00:35:48,313 since kubrick's prime. 642 00:35:48,438 --> 00:35:49,981 Ian Nathan: And he's such a visual guy 643 00:35:50,106 --> 00:35:52,251 that the first thing he did was kind of to break it down 644 00:35:52,275 --> 00:35:54,903 into storyboards, draws his own storyboard, extraordinary 645 00:35:55,028 --> 00:35:57,197 artist, these fantastic images. 646 00:35:57,322 --> 00:36:00,533 But what it doesn't really have is a clear idea of the alien. 647 00:36:00,659 --> 00:36:02,285 It's not quite there. 648 00:36:02,410 --> 00:36:04,788 O'bannon says look, I've got this book. 649 00:36:04,913 --> 00:36:06,349 Diane o'bannon: When Dan showed Ridley 650 00:36:06,373 --> 00:36:09,417 the "necronomicon," Ridley instantly said, 651 00:36:09,542 --> 00:36:11,419 yes, this is it. 652 00:36:11,544 --> 00:36:15,090 I was shown the book, necro... 653 00:36:15,215 --> 00:36:16,800 Woman: Nomicom. 654 00:36:16,925 --> 00:36:20,595 "Necronomicon," ok, in los Angeles, in fact, by o'bannon. 655 00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:21,721 He brought it in. 656 00:36:21,846 --> 00:36:23,556 And I nearly fell off the desk. 657 00:36:23,682 --> 00:36:25,600 Said, that's it. 658 00:36:25,725 --> 00:36:27,435 And why look further? 659 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:28,978 And so that's how I saw it. 660 00:36:29,104 --> 00:36:30,605 It was as simple as that. 661 00:36:30,730 --> 00:36:33,817 I've never been so certain about anything in my life. 662 00:36:33,942 --> 00:36:36,486 There were many arguments at that stage. 663 00:36:36,611 --> 00:36:38,571 Fox were really quite troubled. 664 00:36:38,697 --> 00:36:43,243 But it was an early sign of how strong Scott was on that film 665 00:36:43,368 --> 00:36:45,829 that he won so many battles. 666 00:36:45,954 --> 00:36:48,164 And the most fundamental and important one 667 00:36:48,289 --> 00:36:51,167 was he got giger back on. 668 00:36:51,292 --> 00:36:52,752 And I just thought it was stunning, 669 00:36:52,877 --> 00:36:55,922 and I just stuck to my guns saying, no. 670 00:36:56,047 --> 00:36:57,507 No, that's it. 671 00:36:57,632 --> 00:36:59,801 They said, let's bring him in and talk some concepts. 672 00:36:59,926 --> 00:37:01,052 I said, no. 673 00:37:01,177 --> 00:37:01,928 You can't do that. 674 00:37:02,053 --> 00:37:03,179 That's it. 675 00:37:03,304 --> 00:37:04,704 We want to be shooting by so and so. 676 00:37:04,764 --> 00:37:06,307 That's it. 677 00:37:06,433 --> 00:37:08,810 Just to get this right is gonna be incredibly difficult. 678 00:37:08,935 --> 00:37:11,479 This is beautiful, not just threatening. 679 00:37:11,604 --> 00:37:14,023 And also has very sexual connotations. 680 00:37:14,149 --> 00:37:17,277 So in everything, it's like a rather beautiful 681 00:37:17,402 --> 00:37:21,406 humanoid biomechanoid insect. 682 00:37:21,531 --> 00:37:24,075 Giger talks about intentionally drawing imagery 683 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,077 from his own dreams, that means coming 684 00:37:26,202 --> 00:37:27,746 from a place where he didn't have 685 00:37:27,871 --> 00:37:30,248 agency over what came to him. 686 00:37:30,373 --> 00:37:35,754 When he painted, he was in this sort of trance. 687 00:37:35,879 --> 00:37:40,759 He was possessed, like a seer, a blind seer. 688 00:37:44,679 --> 00:37:49,142 Would go like that, and like in a polaroid, 689 00:37:49,267 --> 00:37:54,022 an image would appear and take shape. 690 00:37:54,147 --> 00:37:57,108 Diane o'bannon: Giger's images existed in a universe 691 00:37:57,233 --> 00:37:59,486 of their own in Switzerland. 692 00:37:59,611 --> 00:38:03,865 And they really found their place in space, the xenomorph 693 00:38:03,990 --> 00:38:06,910 and the space jockey. 694 00:38:07,035 --> 00:38:10,497 Giger's images really found a home in "alien." 695 00:38:10,622 --> 00:38:12,683 Part of what you're seeing with the character of "alien" 696 00:38:12,707 --> 00:38:16,544 is this gorgeous synchrony, this incredible synthesis 697 00:38:16,669 --> 00:38:18,880 of multiple mythological characters, 698 00:38:19,005 --> 00:38:22,091 sekhmet, pazuzu, Kali. 699 00:38:22,217 --> 00:38:24,719 Ian Nathan: You can see the medieval dragon, 700 00:38:24,844 --> 00:38:30,266 the renaissance demons, the work of heironymous bosch. 701 00:38:30,391 --> 00:38:32,852 And it's a synthesis that wasn't done consciously. 702 00:38:32,977 --> 00:38:35,438 It was a synthesis that happened in the cauldron of stories 703 00:38:35,563 --> 00:38:38,024 that was giger's imagination. 704 00:38:38,149 --> 00:38:40,610 This is a character with which all three of these artists 705 00:38:40,735 --> 00:38:42,111 identified. 706 00:38:42,237 --> 00:38:43,839 And because they all resonated with this pattern, 707 00:38:43,863 --> 00:38:45,824 they were drawn together, this coming 708 00:38:45,949 --> 00:38:48,701 from a much deeper place. 709 00:38:48,827 --> 00:38:52,664 Ian Nathan: Such a brilliant choice that in the end, 710 00:38:52,789 --> 00:38:56,042 you could say separates "alien" from anything else was you've 711 00:38:56,167 --> 00:38:58,878 got this extraordinary artist with this sort 712 00:38:59,003 --> 00:39:01,965 of mind-blowing imagery, and you inject it 713 00:39:02,090 --> 00:39:03,090 straight into the film. 714 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,432 Nicholas cull: In the hands of perhaps an aficionados who 715 00:39:11,558 --> 00:39:14,435 loved horror movies and science fiction, 716 00:39:14,561 --> 00:39:17,939 it might have turned out to be a completely different movie. 717 00:39:18,064 --> 00:39:19,607 Diane o'bannon: The triptych of Dan 718 00:39:19,732 --> 00:39:22,777 o'bannon, Ridley Scott, and hans rudi giger 719 00:39:22,902 --> 00:39:26,239 was the gift from the gods. 720 00:39:26,364 --> 00:39:27,591 They were on the same wavelength. 721 00:39:27,615 --> 00:39:29,158 And they were all thinking about this 722 00:39:29,284 --> 00:39:34,122 is more than a science fiction adventure into the future. 723 00:39:34,247 --> 00:39:36,499 This was just as much an exploration 724 00:39:36,624 --> 00:39:39,252 of the ancient past, of the repressed 725 00:39:39,377 --> 00:39:42,672 and forgotten that the alien represents. 726 00:39:42,797 --> 00:39:44,966 When a story comes from multiple people, 727 00:39:45,091 --> 00:39:47,677 and beyond the agency of multiple people, 728 00:39:47,802 --> 00:39:50,722 it has a special existence. 729 00:39:50,847 --> 00:39:52,074 Roger Christian: It is a symbiosis. 730 00:39:52,098 --> 00:39:55,351 "Alien" is a symbiosis of a few people 731 00:39:55,476 --> 00:39:57,312 who had that sensibility. 732 00:39:57,437 --> 00:39:59,522 If Dan had gone off and been in charge, 733 00:39:59,647 --> 00:40:01,041 it would have been a different film. 734 00:40:01,065 --> 00:40:03,359 It would have had more of the "dark star." 735 00:40:03,484 --> 00:40:06,571 Ron Cobb would have been pure Sci-Fi, all perfectly done, 736 00:40:06,696 --> 00:40:10,742 more star trekky in a way, or "2001 737 00:40:10,867 --> 00:40:15,622 I came on board and made everything look grungy and real 738 00:40:15,747 --> 00:40:18,333 and like a space truck, you know? 739 00:40:18,458 --> 00:40:21,169 "Alien", I would say we got the sets right. 740 00:40:21,294 --> 00:40:23,504 The audience didn't ever question 741 00:40:23,630 --> 00:40:26,341 that we just found some old space craft 742 00:40:26,466 --> 00:40:29,010 and gone in and filmed in it. 743 00:40:29,135 --> 00:40:31,554 That was different to the world that had gone before. 744 00:40:31,679 --> 00:40:35,141 There was "robby the robot," there was "barbarella." 745 00:40:35,266 --> 00:40:38,311 It's both very tangible, and a completely different world 746 00:40:38,436 --> 00:40:39,729 at the same time. 747 00:40:39,854 --> 00:40:41,981 There's something almost perennial about the way 748 00:40:42,106 --> 00:40:44,442 that yes, those ships are a completely different 749 00:40:44,567 --> 00:40:46,694 environment from what we're used to now 750 00:40:46,819 --> 00:40:49,572 and what we would have seen 1,000 years ago, 751 00:40:49,697 --> 00:40:50,977 but human beings haven't changed, 752 00:40:51,074 --> 00:40:53,409 and they still behave in the same way. 753 00:40:53,534 --> 00:40:56,412 I place the hub of the wheel at Ridley, 754 00:40:56,537 --> 00:41:00,249 because he's a visionary, and he knew what to do with this film 755 00:41:00,375 --> 00:41:02,627 and how to marshal all these different elements 756 00:41:02,752 --> 00:41:04,545 into "alien." 757 00:41:04,671 --> 00:41:06,881 Tom skerritt: He was running the camera, 758 00:41:07,006 --> 00:41:09,384 during a lot of the lighting, everything 759 00:41:09,509 --> 00:41:11,302 was going on at once, and he was just 760 00:41:11,427 --> 00:41:14,597 conducting it so splendidly. 761 00:41:14,722 --> 00:41:17,392 Ridley shot, yeah, a good 80% of the film, 762 00:41:17,517 --> 00:41:18,893 and it was a panel vision camera. 763 00:41:19,018 --> 00:41:20,311 I mean, these aren't light. 764 00:41:20,436 --> 00:41:24,440 He wanted... he wanted anamorphic on purpose. 765 00:41:24,565 --> 00:41:27,944 We were contained in a space, and that wide-angle lens 766 00:41:28,069 --> 00:41:31,155 made it seem much more claustrophobic. 767 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,199 The costume designer who worked with Ridley 768 00:41:33,324 --> 00:41:34,635 said to me once, you know, Ridley's 769 00:41:34,659 --> 00:41:37,120 got a camera for a head. 770 00:41:37,245 --> 00:41:42,834 He knows where to put the camera automatically. 771 00:41:42,959 --> 00:41:45,670 When your hand-held, your breathing with the actors, 772 00:41:45,795 --> 00:41:49,173 you're just part of what you're filming. 773 00:41:49,298 --> 00:41:52,093 You're not distanced. 774 00:41:52,218 --> 00:41:56,723 I think that's one of the best operated films ever seen. 775 00:41:56,848 --> 00:41:58,433 It's not wobbly cam. 776 00:41:58,558 --> 00:42:00,518 It was very beautifully photographed. 777 00:42:06,357 --> 00:42:08,043 Ian Nathan: There's a great opening sequences where 778 00:42:08,067 --> 00:42:10,486 the camera drifts through the empty nostromo, 779 00:42:10,611 --> 00:42:15,116 and he had this wonderful sense of movement in the frame. 780 00:42:15,241 --> 00:42:17,118 Even though they're all in their cryo chambers, 781 00:42:17,243 --> 00:42:19,746 there's a strange sense of life about the vessel. 782 00:42:19,871 --> 00:42:22,749 It's all kind of presaging what's coming. 783 00:42:22,874 --> 00:42:26,210 But it's a haunted quality that flutter in the frame. 784 00:42:26,335 --> 00:42:27,615 And he talks a lot about the fact 785 00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:29,547 that he never let the camera sit still, 786 00:42:29,672 --> 00:42:34,177 that it has to keep moving, because you want the audience 787 00:42:34,302 --> 00:42:35,678 on edge the whole time. 788 00:42:35,803 --> 00:42:38,389 You never let the film settle down. 789 00:42:38,514 --> 00:42:40,808 And even around the scenes where they're kind of just 790 00:42:40,933 --> 00:42:43,133 having these kind of rather sort of squabbling sequences 791 00:42:43,227 --> 00:42:47,023 between the crew, just normal ship stuff, 792 00:42:47,148 --> 00:42:49,817 this there's slight air of agitation about how he frames 793 00:42:49,942 --> 00:42:51,569 and how he moves the camera. 794 00:42:51,694 --> 00:42:53,174 He's getting the heartbeat 795 00:42:53,279 --> 00:42:57,450 of the film, this kind of growing throb that it has. 796 00:42:57,575 --> 00:43:01,329 Roger Christian: The reason he wanted the ship in one path 797 00:43:01,454 --> 00:43:05,208 was he wanted to film like the Mary Celeste at the opening. 798 00:43:05,333 --> 00:43:07,960 He was tracking around the ship, and there 799 00:43:08,086 --> 00:43:09,879 were eerie little things going on, 800 00:43:10,004 --> 00:43:12,256 the pecking birds that I put in there for Ridley, 801 00:43:12,381 --> 00:43:14,300 and everyone said, you can't do that. 802 00:43:14,425 --> 00:43:16,010 I thought it's a great idea. 803 00:43:16,135 --> 00:43:18,554 The annoying thing, yeah, that was a Ridley realism, 804 00:43:18,679 --> 00:43:20,449 the little nodding... the little nodding things. 805 00:43:20,473 --> 00:43:22,308 He had a thing about that for whatever reason 806 00:43:22,433 --> 00:43:23,101 back from childhood. 807 00:43:23,226 --> 00:43:24,727 I loved it. 808 00:43:24,852 --> 00:43:26,455 Roger Christian: They were in all the cars in england. 809 00:43:26,479 --> 00:43:28,082 Everyone had these blooming things that were nodding. 810 00:43:28,106 --> 00:43:29,440 And they always was a joke. 811 00:43:29,565 --> 00:43:31,776 You know, america had dice hanging and stuff, 812 00:43:31,901 --> 00:43:34,737 but england had these nodding birds. 813 00:43:34,862 --> 00:43:36,656 It's perpetual motion. 814 00:43:36,781 --> 00:43:41,410 How do you illustrate that this thing is just carrying on, 815 00:43:41,536 --> 00:43:44,539 and there's no human beings on it? 816 00:43:44,664 --> 00:43:45,957 It just worked to me. 817 00:43:46,082 --> 00:43:49,001 And that quite kind of going around the ship 818 00:43:49,127 --> 00:43:53,047 and the eeriness of it, to me, said a lot. 819 00:43:53,172 --> 00:43:55,466 The little papers rustling. 820 00:43:55,591 --> 00:43:56,968 Terry rawlings: It's all illogical. 821 00:43:57,093 --> 00:43:59,428 What would make these pages flit around? 822 00:43:59,554 --> 00:44:00,614 Where's the wind coming from? 823 00:44:00,638 --> 00:44:01,514 All that stuff. 824 00:44:01,639 --> 00:44:02,682 Ivor Powell: Yeah. 825 00:44:02,807 --> 00:44:04,976 It didn't make sense, but it did. 826 00:44:05,101 --> 00:44:06,310 Yeah. 827 00:44:06,435 --> 00:44:07,915 You know, it was like Ridley's vision. 828 00:44:08,020 --> 00:44:10,439 His eye prevails over... 829 00:44:10,565 --> 00:44:13,568 Perhaps he'll forgive me saying... the scientific logic 830 00:44:13,693 --> 00:44:16,821 of something, which is hence why we had rain pissing 831 00:44:16,946 --> 00:44:19,657 down when Brett gets killed in that sort of chain 832 00:44:19,782 --> 00:44:20,782 hanging room. 833 00:44:20,825 --> 00:44:22,451 And I had several discussions. 834 00:44:22,577 --> 00:44:24,787 Having worked on "2001 where everything 835 00:44:24,912 --> 00:44:29,500 was meticulous and real, but rain in space? 836 00:44:29,625 --> 00:44:31,627 You know, where... Where's it coming from? 837 00:44:31,752 --> 00:44:32,378 He said, I don't care. 838 00:44:32,503 --> 00:44:33,254 It looks great. 839 00:44:33,379 --> 00:44:34,213 Terry rawlings: It does. 840 00:44:34,338 --> 00:44:35,631 Ivor Powell: That was it. 841 00:44:35,756 --> 00:44:37,884 A thing that we got from Ben burtt, 842 00:44:38,009 --> 00:44:41,888 we got this sort of that 843 00:44:42,013 --> 00:44:43,890 kept going throughout the film. 844 00:44:49,437 --> 00:44:50,998 Ivor Powell: It was almost like a breathing, 845 00:44:51,022 --> 00:44:53,024 a sort of an alien breath, breathing 846 00:44:53,149 --> 00:44:55,109 in, exhaling and inhaling. 847 00:44:55,234 --> 00:44:57,236 And I think it gave a kind of, just a kind 848 00:44:57,361 --> 00:44:59,780 of feeling that something was breathing down your neck 849 00:44:59,906 --> 00:45:01,240 all the time. 850 00:45:01,365 --> 00:45:03,326 Kind of gave you an organic feel to the ship. 851 00:45:06,037 --> 00:45:07,580 Roger Christian: And then the computer 852 00:45:07,705 --> 00:45:12,960 chatter that comes on in the helmet, it makes you think, 853 00:45:13,085 --> 00:45:15,671 what's going on here? 854 00:45:15,796 --> 00:45:18,341 Everything that Ridley built up was 855 00:45:18,466 --> 00:45:21,219 building on this fear of the unknown, 856 00:45:21,344 --> 00:45:22,637 of something happening. 857 00:45:22,762 --> 00:45:25,264 Everybody's now waiting for something to happen, 858 00:45:25,389 --> 00:45:26,474 but it doesn't. 859 00:45:26,599 --> 00:45:27,975 When I started working on the film, 860 00:45:28,100 --> 00:45:29,685 I just realized that this... 861 00:45:29,810 --> 00:45:34,649 This film was going to be virtually in slow motion. 862 00:45:34,774 --> 00:45:38,236 Everything was slow, except for these stabs that you've 863 00:45:38,361 --> 00:45:40,613 got at various points. 864 00:45:40,738 --> 00:45:43,407 And you thought, how can I sort of push someone 865 00:45:43,532 --> 00:45:46,410 into a corner from the editing point of view, 866 00:45:46,535 --> 00:45:50,122 and how far do you go before the audience says enough's enough? 867 00:45:57,296 --> 00:45:58,649 Ivor Powell: There was a lot of, I think, 868 00:45:58,673 --> 00:46:01,300 studio concern about the fact that it 869 00:46:01,425 --> 00:46:05,263 was 45 minutes before anything, in their opinion, happened. 870 00:46:05,388 --> 00:46:08,140 Before the facehugger jumps out of the egg and... 871 00:46:08,266 --> 00:46:11,936 And hits John hurt on the... on the old visage. 872 00:46:12,061 --> 00:46:13,271 But that was its strength. 873 00:46:13,396 --> 00:46:14,480 Indeed. 874 00:46:14,605 --> 00:46:16,107 That really was its strength, to be 875 00:46:16,232 --> 00:46:18,818 able to hold it back that long before you 876 00:46:18,943 --> 00:46:20,987 really gave it to the audience. 877 00:46:21,112 --> 00:46:24,282 They all found it very hard to cope with that. 878 00:46:24,407 --> 00:46:26,468 Ian Nathan: Dan o'bannon had conceptualized very early 879 00:46:26,492 --> 00:46:29,829 on in his script that they wouldn't find the eggs 880 00:46:29,954 --> 00:46:31,914 in the derelict spacecraft. 881 00:46:32,039 --> 00:46:33,749 They would find the space jockey. 882 00:46:39,046 --> 00:46:40,732 Extraordinary vision, and it came from giger. 883 00:46:40,756 --> 00:46:43,551 It was a giger picture. 884 00:46:43,676 --> 00:46:45,356 And it did something brilliant in the sense 885 00:46:45,386 --> 00:46:48,889 that it showed you that the universe was extraordinary. 886 00:46:49,015 --> 00:46:50,391 It was haunting. 887 00:46:50,516 --> 00:46:51,809 It was almost certainly benign. 888 00:46:51,934 --> 00:46:54,395 You felt almost sort of a loss when you saw it. 889 00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,064 It was a kind of creature ossified to a chair. 890 00:46:57,189 --> 00:46:59,549 You never quite understood what was creature what was chair, 891 00:46:59,608 --> 00:47:01,444 and it was just brilliant. 892 00:47:01,569 --> 00:47:04,613 It's another thing that Scott had to fight for. 893 00:47:04,739 --> 00:47:07,616 Because fox just went, well, it doesn't have any plot function, 894 00:47:07,742 --> 00:47:09,035 you know? 895 00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,245 They just go through the floor and find the eggs. 896 00:47:11,370 --> 00:47:13,497 Ridley said, you can't just have a hole in the ground. 897 00:47:13,622 --> 00:47:16,792 You've got to suggest something. 898 00:47:16,917 --> 00:47:18,669 In the chest of what was then the space 899 00:47:18,794 --> 00:47:21,422 jockey, which we now know to be the engineer, there's a hole. 900 00:47:21,547 --> 00:47:26,510 Dallas: Bones are bent outward, like he exploded from inside. 901 00:47:26,635 --> 00:47:29,347 So you get an instance of what is a hint, 902 00:47:29,472 --> 00:47:34,602 a tiny little drop of maybe what these... these things do. 903 00:47:34,727 --> 00:47:37,563 And they lower Kane in on like, a wench. 904 00:47:37,688 --> 00:47:39,231 Dallas: Can you see anything? 905 00:47:39,357 --> 00:47:41,692 Kane: I don't... a cave. 906 00:47:41,817 --> 00:47:43,986 A cave of some sort, but I... 907 00:47:47,281 --> 00:47:49,481 I don't know, but it's like the goddamn tropics in here. 908 00:47:51,911 --> 00:47:54,705 Ian Nathan: And he sees in there this great sort of tableau 909 00:47:54,830 --> 00:47:57,166 that giger had actually painted. 910 00:47:57,291 --> 00:48:01,921 When we got that onto that set and saw what they had done, 911 00:48:02,046 --> 00:48:04,340 I mean, it was just... It was mind-boggling. 912 00:48:04,465 --> 00:48:06,634 Everything was actual size. 913 00:48:06,759 --> 00:48:08,636 There was no cgi. 914 00:48:08,761 --> 00:48:12,390 So you were inside of these big huge caverns 915 00:48:12,515 --> 00:48:14,517 that look like big vaginas, you know? 916 00:48:14,642 --> 00:48:18,979 I mean, everything had a sort of a very sexual orientation. 917 00:48:19,105 --> 00:48:20,815 Ian Nathan: So you've landed on the planet, 918 00:48:20,940 --> 00:48:23,234 and you've had this ethereal sequence. 919 00:48:23,359 --> 00:48:26,278 Kane is almost guided via the signal, 920 00:48:26,404 --> 00:48:28,364 some voice is calling him onwards. 921 00:48:28,489 --> 00:48:30,050 And it's kind of wonderful to think that there's 922 00:48:30,074 --> 00:48:32,451 something there, you know, that the alien spacecraft 923 00:48:32,576 --> 00:48:34,286 is calling him. 924 00:48:34,412 --> 00:48:36,914 We get finally to the belly of the derelict, 925 00:48:37,039 --> 00:48:39,333 and we get the egg chamber. 926 00:48:39,458 --> 00:48:41,293 That's the wake-up moment. 927 00:48:45,214 --> 00:48:48,092 That whole tactic of the beginning, the openness, 928 00:48:48,217 --> 00:48:50,386 and the kind of hauntingness, suddenly, it 929 00:48:50,511 --> 00:48:52,763 gets sucked inward. 930 00:48:52,888 --> 00:48:54,306 Up until that point, the film has 931 00:48:54,432 --> 00:48:57,768 been a kind of strange hybrid between a kubrickian 932 00:48:57,893 --> 00:49:00,813 serious science fiction and this almost kind 933 00:49:00,938 --> 00:49:02,606 of fairy tale-like atmosphere. 934 00:49:02,731 --> 00:49:06,402 It's kind of strange sort of hauntingness. 935 00:49:06,527 --> 00:49:09,738 It's not, strictly speaking, entirely realistic 936 00:49:09,864 --> 00:49:12,408 up until the point they have dinner. 937 00:49:12,533 --> 00:49:14,160 The chestburster changes the complexion 938 00:49:14,285 --> 00:49:18,998 of the film from a kind of epic to a kind of horribly, 939 00:49:19,123 --> 00:49:22,960 horribly intimate and sort of claustrophobic and inward. 940 00:49:23,085 --> 00:49:24,938 It's kind of an inward movement, even though the creature 941 00:49:24,962 --> 00:49:26,130 comes out of him. 942 00:49:26,255 --> 00:49:27,840 Suddenly, everybody's trapped. 943 00:49:27,965 --> 00:49:30,718 Suddenly, the spaceship is small and confined, where before, 944 00:49:30,843 --> 00:49:33,179 it being this kind of fast vessel. 945 00:49:33,304 --> 00:49:35,681 And what the film does is make that hyper leap jump 946 00:49:35,806 --> 00:49:39,310 into a primal survival story about many more things 947 00:49:39,435 --> 00:49:41,020 than we realize. 948 00:49:41,145 --> 00:49:44,356 Ridley always says that this... this 949 00:49:44,482 --> 00:49:46,358 was the scene that stood out that 950 00:49:46,484 --> 00:49:48,360 would make or break the film. 951 00:49:48,486 --> 00:49:53,199 It was just some craziness that came out of Ron shusett 952 00:49:53,324 --> 00:49:56,035 and Dan o'bannon's mind. 953 00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,662 When you read it in the script, there's so many different ways 954 00:49:58,787 --> 00:50:01,165 to approach it. 955 00:50:01,290 --> 00:50:05,711 And Ridley was so constrained with the scene. 956 00:50:05,836 --> 00:50:08,380 It's a very significant moment in film history. 957 00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:17,014 The idea came from a painting from Francis bacon. 958 00:50:17,139 --> 00:50:21,435 Ridley Scott told me that this painting, it's just 959 00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:25,981 a crucification, and one of the member 960 00:50:26,106 --> 00:50:33,614 has just teeth and red flesh, and he liked to have 961 00:50:33,739 --> 00:50:35,115 the chestburster like that. 962 00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,037 Francis bacon: I've always been very moved 963 00:50:40,162 --> 00:50:43,082 by the movements of the mouth and the shape 964 00:50:43,207 --> 00:50:44,917 of the mouth and the teeth. 965 00:50:45,042 --> 00:50:48,963 And I like the, you may say, the glitter and color 966 00:50:49,088 --> 00:50:50,965 that comes from the mouth. 967 00:50:51,090 --> 00:50:55,636 When I was first went to Paris, I found in an old bookshop 968 00:50:55,761 --> 00:50:57,721 a book on diseases of mouth. 969 00:50:57,846 --> 00:51:00,849 The plates were hand-colored, and that it 970 00:51:00,975 --> 00:51:04,144 had a tremendous effect on me. 971 00:51:04,270 --> 00:51:05,580 Michael peppiatt: The three studies 972 00:51:05,604 --> 00:51:08,399 for figures at the base of the crucifixion 973 00:51:08,524 --> 00:51:12,903 is the real point of departure for bacon. 974 00:51:13,028 --> 00:51:18,534 He thought of that picture as his first picture. 975 00:51:18,659 --> 00:51:21,495 He was 35, and that's late, of course, for an artist 976 00:51:21,620 --> 00:51:24,790 to have a first work. 977 00:51:24,915 --> 00:51:26,667 This is his breakthrough work. 978 00:51:26,792 --> 00:51:31,088 And it's full of contradictions, full of paradoxes. 979 00:51:31,213 --> 00:51:34,758 How did suddenly this enormously challenging, 980 00:51:34,883 --> 00:51:40,723 unbelievably horrific and ugly imagery arise? 981 00:51:40,848 --> 00:51:43,601 The imagery is Christian. 982 00:51:43,726 --> 00:51:50,941 And bacon, even by then, was a very violent atheist. 983 00:51:51,066 --> 00:51:53,444 You get the crucifixion in the title, 984 00:51:53,569 --> 00:51:59,575 but it is a mixture of Greek myths and christianity. 985 00:51:59,700 --> 00:52:03,245 The Greek influence was very deep, 986 00:52:03,370 --> 00:52:05,539 and I think he thought of himself 987 00:52:05,664 --> 00:52:08,542 as somebody hounded by furies. 988 00:52:08,667 --> 00:52:12,504 And I think he felt their talons in his flesh. 989 00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:15,883 He said, oh, yes, the furies visit me very often. 990 00:52:29,355 --> 00:52:31,565 Denise demetriou: The temple of Apollo at delphi 991 00:52:31,690 --> 00:52:35,694 was one of the major sanctuaries of the Greek world. 992 00:52:35,819 --> 00:52:40,240 It is really important in the story of the furies. 993 00:52:40,366 --> 00:52:43,118 The furies in Greek mythology are 994 00:52:43,243 --> 00:52:47,790 avengers of crimes, usually committed by children 995 00:52:47,915 --> 00:52:49,917 against their parents. 996 00:52:50,042 --> 00:52:53,212 And they first appear in aeschylus' trilogy 997 00:52:53,337 --> 00:52:56,507 when orestes murders his mother, clytemnestra, 998 00:52:56,632 --> 00:52:59,218 and her lover, aegisthus. 999 00:52:59,343 --> 00:53:03,055 When orestes finds refuge at the temple of Apollo at delphi, 1000 00:53:03,180 --> 00:53:06,433 the ghost of clytemnestra tries to wake them up and rouse them 1001 00:53:06,558 --> 00:53:09,061 so that they can fulfill their purpose, which 1002 00:53:09,186 --> 00:53:13,899 is to hound down orestes and take revenge 1003 00:53:14,024 --> 00:53:15,818 for clytemnestra's murder. 1004 00:53:15,943 --> 00:53:19,488 The violence of the brings up the... 1005 00:53:19,613 --> 00:53:21,824 The... the images. 1006 00:53:21,949 --> 00:53:24,034 I mean, if you remember that wonderful translation 1007 00:53:24,159 --> 00:53:26,662 of one of his lines, "the reek of human blood 1008 00:53:26,787 --> 00:53:28,163 smiles out at me." 1009 00:53:28,288 --> 00:53:30,249 Well, what could be more amazing than that? 1010 00:53:30,374 --> 00:53:34,962 That immediately brings up the most astonishing images. 1011 00:53:35,087 --> 00:53:37,840 William linn: The furies are a common torment to a creator, 1012 00:53:37,965 --> 00:53:39,425 and here's why. 1013 00:53:39,550 --> 00:53:44,012 To create is inherently a rebellion against creation. 1014 00:53:44,138 --> 00:53:46,640 Michael peppiatt: The fact that his father kicked him out 1015 00:53:46,765 --> 00:53:50,686 of the house when he discovered he was homosexual was 1016 00:53:50,811 --> 00:53:54,648 a lasting wound in bacon. 1017 00:53:54,773 --> 00:53:57,025 I think the furies, to some extent, 1018 00:53:57,151 --> 00:54:00,028 are actually his father, his father 1019 00:54:00,154 --> 00:54:04,199 pursuing him, chasing him out of the family home 1020 00:54:04,324 --> 00:54:08,036 and branding him as an outsider. 1021 00:54:08,162 --> 00:54:13,792 This image came fully formed out of bacon's imagination. 1022 00:54:13,917 --> 00:54:19,840 It's like Athena springing fully formed from the head of Zeus. 1023 00:54:19,965 --> 00:54:21,884 I see it as the monster coming out of bacon, 1024 00:54:22,009 --> 00:54:24,136 and the monster coming out of the world. 1025 00:54:27,973 --> 00:54:30,726 Myths are thought to be messages from the divine. 1026 00:54:30,851 --> 00:54:33,937 When Ridley Scott puts this image of bacon 1027 00:54:34,062 --> 00:54:37,483 into giger's hands, that's an odd synchronicity. 1028 00:54:37,608 --> 00:54:40,360 And when you see the importance of the story, 1029 00:54:40,486 --> 00:54:43,405 and you're looking back on it with the power and magnitude 1030 00:54:43,530 --> 00:54:46,450 with which that story landed, all the synchronicities 1031 00:54:46,575 --> 00:54:48,327 that brought it to that point seem all the 1032 00:54:48,452 --> 00:54:49,572 more important and stunning. 1033 00:55:02,466 --> 00:55:06,053 It's crazy that these scenes that are... a word I hate using, 1034 00:55:06,178 --> 00:55:07,888 but they are so iconic. 1035 00:55:08,013 --> 00:55:10,516 It seems like that page should be... 1036 00:55:10,641 --> 00:55:11,951 You know, obviously, there should be 1037 00:55:11,975 --> 00:55:13,977 like the constitution, right? 1038 00:55:14,102 --> 00:55:16,462 I mean, at some point at the end of "citizen Kane," it says, 1039 00:55:16,522 --> 00:55:18,774 and the camera turns and focuses and the... 1040 00:55:18,899 --> 00:55:20,067 It's a sled, rosebud. 1041 00:55:20,192 --> 00:55:21,735 Fade to black. 1042 00:55:21,860 --> 00:55:24,060 It's not like, you know, you know, you think and you go, 1043 00:55:24,154 --> 00:55:24,863 ta-da! 1044 00:55:24,988 --> 00:55:26,573 Right? 1045 00:55:26,698 --> 00:55:31,995 But the chest buster scene is just a one-page description. 1046 00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,624 Broussard's face is screwed up into a mask of agony, 1047 00:55:35,749 --> 00:55:38,919 and he's trembling violently from head to foot. 1048 00:55:39,044 --> 00:55:43,632 There's an incoherent shriek from broussard, oh my god! 1049 00:55:43,757 --> 00:55:47,678 A red smear of blood blossoms on the chest of broussard's tunic. 1050 00:55:47,803 --> 00:55:50,264 Their eyes are all riveted to broussard's chest 1051 00:55:50,389 --> 00:55:52,599 as the fabric of his tunic is ripped open, 1052 00:55:52,724 --> 00:55:56,770 and a horrible, nasty little head the size of a man's fist 1053 00:55:56,895 --> 00:55:58,272 pushes out. 1054 00:55:58,397 --> 00:56:00,774 Everybody screams and leaps back from the table. 1055 00:56:00,899 --> 00:56:03,151 The cat spits and bolts. 1056 00:56:03,277 --> 00:56:06,405 The disgusting little head lunges, comes spurting out 1057 00:56:06,530 --> 00:56:09,700 of broussard's chest, trailing a thick worm-like tail, 1058 00:56:09,825 --> 00:56:11,952 splattering fluids and blood. 1059 00:56:12,077 --> 00:56:13,745 Lands in the middle of the dishes 1060 00:56:13,871 --> 00:56:16,206 and food on the table and screws away while the men 1061 00:56:16,331 --> 00:56:18,709 are stampeding for safe ground. 1062 00:56:18,834 --> 00:56:22,504 When they finally regain control of themselves, it has escaped. 1063 00:56:22,629 --> 00:56:25,757 Broussard lies slumped in his chair, a huge hole 1064 00:56:25,883 --> 00:56:28,218 in his chest spouting blood. 1065 00:56:28,343 --> 00:56:30,345 The dishes are scattered and the food is 1066 00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:32,431 covered with blood and slime. 1067 00:56:35,559 --> 00:56:37,019 I'd make that movie. 1068 00:56:37,144 --> 00:56:38,562 Yeah. 1069 00:56:38,687 --> 00:56:40,164 The chestburster made everything possible for us. 1070 00:56:40,188 --> 00:56:41,982 It wouldn't have been the magic it was 1071 00:56:42,107 --> 00:56:43,942 without the chestburster scene. 1072 00:56:44,067 --> 00:56:46,445 Everything rested on that scene from beginning to end, 1073 00:56:46,570 --> 00:56:48,989 from getting the film made, to how the audience responds, 1074 00:56:49,114 --> 00:56:51,909 to whether those monsters continue to live 1075 00:56:52,034 --> 00:56:53,702 in our imagination today. 1076 00:56:53,827 --> 00:56:55,537 It's that moment we finally assert 1077 00:56:55,662 --> 00:56:57,706 that science fiction isn't only about minds, 1078 00:56:57,831 --> 00:56:59,207 it's about our bodies. 1079 00:56:59,333 --> 00:57:00,918 It's continuous with the directions 1080 00:57:01,043 --> 00:57:04,087 horror was taking over the preceding decade, right? 1081 00:57:04,212 --> 00:57:06,089 Horror is moving toward body horror, 1082 00:57:06,214 --> 00:57:09,384 through David cronenberg in particular. 1083 00:57:09,509 --> 00:57:11,595 It's part of the texture of a film 1084 00:57:11,720 --> 00:57:15,223 that to me, is one of the most tactile movies ever made. 1085 00:57:15,349 --> 00:57:18,185 The sense of goo and grime, of things 1086 00:57:18,310 --> 00:57:22,981 spurting at us, the sense of heat and steam and sweat. 1087 00:57:25,943 --> 00:57:29,696 There is a tendency to think about the chestburster sequence 1088 00:57:29,821 --> 00:57:32,449 as a scene or even a moment. 1089 00:57:32,574 --> 00:57:35,285 But it really takes a while to build up to it. 1090 00:57:41,500 --> 00:57:44,586 The nostromo moving in. 1091 00:57:44,711 --> 00:57:47,798 It's funny, isn't it, how all these, you know, 1092 00:57:47,923 --> 00:57:50,968 outer space shots now have a certain sort of like, you know, 1093 00:57:51,093 --> 00:57:52,719 generalization about them. 1094 00:57:52,844 --> 00:57:56,014 You know, when you think about "2001 how gob-smacking that 1095 00:57:56,139 --> 00:57:59,226 was at the time, and now we just take it completely for granted. 1096 00:58:02,771 --> 00:58:05,065 Michael peppiatt: Why is it called the nostromo? 1097 00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:07,901 The shuttle craft is called the narcissus. 1098 00:58:08,026 --> 00:58:11,613 Narcissus and nostromo are both words 1099 00:58:11,738 --> 00:58:16,410 that are used in book titles by Joseph Conrad, who wrote 1100 00:58:16,535 --> 00:58:19,746 about the evils of imperialism. 1101 00:58:19,871 --> 00:58:22,374 By allusion to the works of Conrad, 1102 00:58:22,499 --> 00:58:25,752 there's a strand within "alien" which is about a concern 1103 00:58:25,877 --> 00:58:28,505 as to what humanity might find as it 1104 00:58:28,630 --> 00:58:32,259 ventures into the dark places. 1105 00:58:32,384 --> 00:58:34,177 In the case of Conrad, he's thinking 1106 00:58:34,302 --> 00:58:40,142 about the heart of darkness, the dark places of empire. 1107 00:58:40,267 --> 00:58:43,562 At the same moment that Ridley Scott is making "alien," 1108 00:58:43,687 --> 00:58:47,315 you have Francis Ford coppola adapting "heart of darkness" 1109 00:58:47,441 --> 00:58:51,445 to be "apocalypse now," and explicitly commenting 1110 00:58:51,570 --> 00:58:54,448 on parallels between the Vietnam war 1111 00:58:54,573 --> 00:58:59,494 and the encounter with evil in the British and Belgian empire. 1112 00:58:59,619 --> 00:59:02,831 "Alien" directs our attention or reminds us 1113 00:59:02,956 --> 00:59:07,461 of the dangers of imperialism and conquest 1114 00:59:07,586 --> 00:59:10,047 of other places, what we might find 1115 00:59:10,172 --> 00:59:13,341 in these uncharted regions, especially if we attempt 1116 00:59:13,467 --> 00:59:15,093 to exploit those regions. 1117 00:59:15,218 --> 00:59:18,680 I hate to bring this up, but this is a commercial ship, not 1118 00:59:18,805 --> 00:59:19,848 a rescue ship. 1119 00:59:19,973 --> 00:59:21,266 Right. 1120 00:59:21,391 --> 00:59:23,769 It's not in my contract to do this kind of duty. 1121 00:59:23,894 --> 00:59:27,814 Michael peppiatt: The 19705 was a time of economic downturn, 1122 00:59:27,939 --> 00:59:31,234 of threat, threat coming from new places. 1123 00:59:31,359 --> 00:59:33,737 Ash, can you see this? 1124 00:59:33,862 --> 00:59:34,862 Yes, I can. 1125 00:59:38,033 --> 00:59:39,451 I've never seen anything like it. 1126 00:59:39,576 --> 00:59:40,678 Michael peppiatt: Particularly the 1127 00:59:40,702 --> 00:59:43,121 first stirrings of terrorism. 1128 00:59:43,246 --> 00:59:44,748 There were enemies within. 1129 00:59:44,873 --> 00:59:47,709 There was political corruption. 1130 00:59:47,834 --> 00:59:50,378 People had doubts, were feeling isolated, 1131 00:59:50,504 --> 00:59:52,380 were feeling disillusioned. 1132 00:59:52,506 --> 00:59:55,008 I say that we abandon this ship. 1133 00:59:55,133 --> 00:59:57,344 We get the shuttle and just get the hell out of here. 1134 00:59:57,469 --> 01:00:00,263 We take our chances and just hope that somebody... 1135 01:00:00,388 --> 01:00:01,139 Lambert. 1136 01:00:01,264 --> 01:00:02,766 Lambert: Picks us up. 1137 01:00:02,891 --> 01:00:04,410 Michael peppiatt: This is a consequence of Watergate. 1138 01:00:04,434 --> 01:00:06,561 This is a consequence of the Vietnam war. 1139 01:00:06,686 --> 01:00:10,190 This is a consequence of the political corruption in Europe. 1140 01:00:10,315 --> 01:00:13,485 And I think that that uncertainty 1141 01:00:13,610 --> 01:00:16,863 plays out in all kinds of movies from that period. 1142 01:00:19,699 --> 01:00:23,703 Drew Morton: If you look at '78, you get Ted Bundy's captured, 1143 01:00:23,829 --> 01:00:26,873 John Wayne gacy's captured, the hillside strangler's out there. 1144 01:00:26,998 --> 01:00:28,583 So there's this kind of new phenomenon 1145 01:00:28,708 --> 01:00:30,127 out there, right, the serial killer, 1146 01:00:30,252 --> 01:00:31,795 and what does that mean? 1147 01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:33,314 There's this kind of idea that there's 1148 01:00:33,338 --> 01:00:35,465 something out there that can be completely evil 1149 01:00:35,590 --> 01:00:37,509 and illogical and horrible. 1150 01:00:37,634 --> 01:00:38,969 And there's no reasoning with it, 1151 01:00:39,094 --> 01:00:41,847 and there's nothing you can do to really stop it. 1152 01:00:41,972 --> 01:00:43,765 At no point in the "alien" movies, 1153 01:00:43,890 --> 01:00:45,201 and definitely not in the first one, 1154 01:00:45,225 --> 01:00:47,936 do you feel like what makes us human 1155 01:00:48,061 --> 01:00:50,355 is the thing that allows us to beat this creature. 1156 01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:58,480 I admire its purity, a survivor, 1157 01:01:00,782 --> 01:01:06,913 unclouded by conscience, remorse, 1158 01:01:07,038 --> 01:01:09,040 or delusions of morality. 1159 01:01:09,166 --> 01:01:11,751 There is a commentary in there about the way that things are 1160 01:01:11,877 --> 01:01:14,880 going right now, and about what we're doing as human beings, 1161 01:01:15,005 --> 01:01:16,464 and how we're taking those strengths, 1162 01:01:16,590 --> 01:01:19,092 and those emotions, those things that make us human, 1163 01:01:19,217 --> 01:01:22,012 and we're turning our backs on them. 1164 01:01:22,137 --> 01:01:24,556 Michael peppiatt: You have in these, in the 1970s, 1165 01:01:24,681 --> 01:01:27,350 tremendous fear over what's happening 1166 01:01:27,475 --> 01:01:29,477 to the American family. 1167 01:01:29,603 --> 01:01:31,021 And I don't love you anymore. 1168 01:01:33,773 --> 01:01:34,316 Where you going? 1169 01:01:34,441 --> 01:01:36,568 I don't know. 1170 01:01:36,693 --> 01:01:39,070 Michael peppiatt: Panic about divorce, 1171 01:01:39,196 --> 01:01:42,324 panic about family breakdowns. 1172 01:01:42,449 --> 01:01:43,867 Here's what I don't understand, 1173 01:01:43,992 --> 01:01:45,469 all the time... where are you... where are you running? 1174 01:01:45,493 --> 01:01:47,013 All the times I come over here, I can't understand 1175 01:01:47,037 --> 01:01:48,288 how you can prefer her to me. 1176 01:01:48,413 --> 01:01:49,247 You can't understand that? 1177 01:01:49,372 --> 01:01:50,707 No. It's a mystery. 1178 01:01:50,832 --> 01:01:51,934 Well, you knew my history when you married me. 1179 01:01:51,958 --> 01:01:53,001 Yeah. 1180 01:01:53,126 --> 01:01:54,353 Michael peppiatt: I think you can 1181 01:01:54,377 --> 01:01:56,671 see that the crew of the space ship 1182 01:01:56,796 --> 01:01:59,633 operate like a kind of family, and there 1183 01:01:59,758 --> 01:02:03,803 are sort of family-type tensions between them. 1184 01:02:03,929 --> 01:02:06,056 Before we dock, I think we oughta 1185 01:02:06,181 --> 01:02:07,515 discuss the bonus situation. 1186 01:02:07,641 --> 01:02:09,118 Right, right. Parker: We think we ought... 1187 01:02:09,142 --> 01:02:10,453 One of the things that that strikes me 1188 01:02:10,477 --> 01:02:12,604 about this movie in general is the way 1189 01:02:12,729 --> 01:02:16,107 that it's connecting what's gonna happen with 805 movies 1190 01:02:16,233 --> 01:02:18,735 and what has happened in 70s movies. 1191 01:02:18,860 --> 01:02:22,906 Because sonically, it feels like a Robert Altman movie. 1192 01:02:23,031 --> 01:02:24,759 You have this scene of all of these characters 1193 01:02:24,783 --> 01:02:28,286 sitting around talking before they find out that Kane is ok. 1194 01:02:28,411 --> 01:02:30,411 How about a little something to lower your spirits? 1195 01:02:30,455 --> 01:02:31,873 Thrill me, will you, please? 1196 01:02:31,998 --> 01:02:33,684 Adam Mortimer: The way that it's blocked and staged, 1197 01:02:33,708 --> 01:02:36,670 five or six people in the frame who are all doing something. 1198 01:02:36,795 --> 01:02:38,588 Just give me the short version. 1199 01:02:38,713 --> 01:02:40,757 Adam Mortimer: People talking on top of each other 1200 01:02:40,882 --> 01:02:44,886 at once at equal volumes, where you have to sort of decide 1201 01:02:45,011 --> 01:02:46,972 who you want to listen to, and they're 1202 01:02:47,097 --> 01:02:50,016 all mumbling and talking extremely naturalistically. 1203 01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:57,524 It's doing the thing that cinema in america 1204 01:02:57,649 --> 01:02:59,734 was doing in the 705, which was to try to point 1205 01:02:59,859 --> 01:03:03,863 the lens at a more naturalistic working class 1206 01:03:03,989 --> 01:03:06,533 reality of america. 1207 01:03:06,658 --> 01:03:10,287 The future of blue collar workers 1208 01:03:10,412 --> 01:03:14,291 is something that's wholly revolutionary. 1209 01:03:14,416 --> 01:03:16,918 And the movie, in a way, is about that. 1210 01:03:17,043 --> 01:03:20,213 It's about the exploitation of these blue collar workers 1211 01:03:20,338 --> 01:03:22,257 by the corporation. 1212 01:03:22,382 --> 01:03:24,050 Hey, Ripley, I wanna ask you a question. 1213 01:03:27,012 --> 01:03:28,614 If they find what they're looking for out there, 1214 01:03:28,638 --> 01:03:30,056 does that mean we get full shares? 1215 01:03:30,181 --> 01:03:31,391 Don't worry, Parker. 1216 01:03:31,516 --> 01:03:34,477 Yeah, you'll get whatever's coming to you. 1217 01:03:34,602 --> 01:03:36,813 Look, I'm not gonna do any more work till we 1218 01:03:36,938 --> 01:03:38,022 get this straightened out. 1219 01:03:39,733 --> 01:03:41,973 "Alien," to me, makes more sense if it were made in 1974, 1220 01:03:42,068 --> 01:03:44,487 '75, '76 than after "star wars." 1221 01:03:44,612 --> 01:03:46,156 "Alien" is a smaller movie. 1222 01:03:46,281 --> 01:03:48,116 "Alien"... I can't believe I'm saying this... 1223 01:03:48,241 --> 01:03:50,410 Is a realistic movie. 1224 01:03:50,535 --> 01:03:51,953 Henry Jenkins: Part of it was just 1225 01:03:52,078 --> 01:03:55,540 getting away from that sanitized view of space that 1226 01:03:55,665 --> 01:03:59,085 had dominated science fiction from the 60s and much 1227 01:03:59,210 --> 01:04:02,088 of the 705, and coming to something 1228 01:04:02,213 --> 01:04:05,300 that felt like a real lived-in environment. 1229 01:04:05,425 --> 01:04:07,052 It was continuous with the world we 1230 01:04:07,177 --> 01:04:09,637 knew outside the movie theater. 1231 01:04:09,763 --> 01:04:10,823 Adam Mortimer: Harry Dean Stanton 1232 01:04:10,847 --> 01:04:12,599 and yaphet kotto are the two most 1233 01:04:12,724 --> 01:04:14,392 working class guys on the ship. 1234 01:04:14,517 --> 01:04:18,229 And they, unwittingly maybe, but maybe intuitively, 1235 01:04:18,355 --> 01:04:20,982 know that if they just freeze Kane, 1236 01:04:21,107 --> 01:04:23,860 everything'5 going to be ok. 1237 01:04:23,985 --> 01:04:26,988 How come they don't freeze him? 1238 01:04:27,113 --> 01:04:29,491 How come you guys don't freeze him? 1239 01:04:29,616 --> 01:04:31,218 What I think we should do is just freeze him. 1240 01:04:31,242 --> 01:04:32,322 I mean, he's got a disease. 1241 01:04:32,410 --> 01:04:33,870 Why don't we stop it where it is? 1242 01:04:33,995 --> 01:04:35,389 He can always get to a doctor when we get back home. 1243 01:04:35,413 --> 01:04:36,831 Right. 1244 01:04:36,956 --> 01:04:39,834 They're speaking the truth in this kind of almost 1245 01:04:39,959 --> 01:04:42,003 Greek chorus kind of prophet way, 1246 01:04:42,128 --> 01:04:43,522 but nobody really wants to listen to them, 1247 01:04:43,546 --> 01:04:45,548 and they're just making fun of them. 1248 01:04:45,673 --> 01:04:47,467 Whenever he says anything, you say 1249 01:04:47,592 --> 01:04:49,427 right, Brett, you know that? 1250 01:04:49,552 --> 01:04:50,637 Right. 1251 01:04:50,762 --> 01:04:52,347 What they're making fun of them for 1252 01:04:52,472 --> 01:04:55,892 is that Harry Dean Stanton keeps saying right, right, right, 1253 01:04:56,017 --> 01:04:57,852 but it's because they are right. 1254 01:04:57,977 --> 01:05:00,438 And in the staging of this scene, 1255 01:05:00,563 --> 01:05:03,400 Dallas, the ship captain, is sitting closest to us, 1256 01:05:03,525 --> 01:05:07,278 and there's this wall of the two working class guys between him 1257 01:05:07,404 --> 01:05:10,907 and the two women, who are scientists and flight officers. 1258 01:05:11,032 --> 01:05:12,951 And when he gets frustrated with this sense 1259 01:05:13,076 --> 01:05:16,996 that, even jokingly, his authority is being undermined 1260 01:05:17,122 --> 01:05:19,666 by these two guys, who are his employees, 1261 01:05:19,791 --> 01:05:22,127 he crosses to the far depth of the shot 1262 01:05:22,252 --> 01:05:24,838 to talk to lambert, who immediately 1263 01:05:24,963 --> 01:05:27,340 starts talking this sort of elevated, educated way. 1264 01:05:27,465 --> 01:05:29,843 Well, according to my calculations, based on time 1265 01:05:29,968 --> 01:05:31,553 spent getting to and from the planet... 1266 01:05:31,678 --> 01:05:32,929 Just give me the short version. 1267 01:05:33,054 --> 01:05:34,180 How far to earth? 1268 01:05:34,305 --> 01:05:35,598 10 months. 1269 01:05:35,723 --> 01:05:37,201 Adam Mortimer: And you can really see visually 1270 01:05:37,225 --> 01:05:39,561 in this incredibly subtle way that there really 1271 01:05:39,686 --> 01:05:44,482 is this war about the movement between the classes on the ship 1272 01:05:44,607 --> 01:05:47,861 and who has the right to be heard. 1273 01:05:47,986 --> 01:05:49,863 Right. 1274 01:05:49,988 --> 01:05:53,450 Michael peppiatt: We now know that Hollywood in the 1970s 1275 01:05:53,575 --> 01:05:56,578 was a very oppressive place for women. 1276 01:05:56,703 --> 01:05:58,204 Do you find, in fact, that this, what 1277 01:05:58,329 --> 01:06:00,957 could be best described as your equipment, in fact, 1278 01:06:01,082 --> 01:06:02,375 hinders you perhaps? 1279 01:06:02,500 --> 01:06:04,145 Michael peppiatt: You think about the sexism, 1280 01:06:04,169 --> 01:06:08,089 the misogyny that was implicit within the industry that 1281 01:06:08,214 --> 01:06:09,048 made this film. 1282 01:06:09,174 --> 01:06:10,258 You mean my fingers? 1283 01:06:11,885 --> 01:06:13,219 No, I meant your... 1284 01:06:15,763 --> 01:06:16,598 Come on, spit it out. 1285 01:06:16,723 --> 01:06:17,515 I meant your... 1286 01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:18,641 Your figure. 1287 01:06:18,766 --> 01:06:20,351 My figure? 1288 01:06:20,477 --> 01:06:22,371 Michael peppiatt: And there's no way of looking at "alien" 1289 01:06:22,395 --> 01:06:27,400 without seeing it as a male fantasy of the kind 1290 01:06:27,525 --> 01:06:30,570 of oppression that have been being handed out to women 1291 01:06:30,695 --> 01:06:37,202 over the centuries, a guilt that was part of masculinity 1292 01:06:37,327 --> 01:06:43,166 in the 1970s, and should be part of masculinity now. 1293 01:06:43,291 --> 01:06:47,295 "Alien" has within it fantasies of male pregnancy, fantasies 1294 01:06:47,420 --> 01:06:53,468 of male rape, fantasies of male penetration. 1295 01:06:53,593 --> 01:06:57,931 And it's all tied up with that amazing chest buster scene. 1296 01:06:58,056 --> 01:06:59,766 I don't know how explicitly they 1297 01:06:59,891 --> 01:07:01,559 realized what they were doing. 1298 01:07:01,684 --> 01:07:03,454 I can't imagine that any studio would be like, 1299 01:07:03,478 --> 01:07:05,730 yes, you're making a male rape movie in space. 1300 01:07:05,855 --> 01:07:07,607 For sure, let's go for it. 1301 01:07:07,732 --> 01:07:09,359 It's wonderful that the unconscious works 1302 01:07:09,484 --> 01:07:12,445 in so many mysterious ways. 1303 01:07:12,570 --> 01:07:15,156 It feels like a summoning in a major way, 1304 01:07:15,281 --> 01:07:18,701 an accidental awakening of some repressed spirit. 1305 01:07:18,826 --> 01:07:23,623 The furies certainly speak for the repressed feminine. 1306 01:07:23,748 --> 01:07:27,544 And "alien" certainly represents the repressed 1307 01:07:27,669 --> 01:07:30,713 feminine's retribution. 1308 01:07:30,838 --> 01:07:34,300 "Alien" touched a nerve with a lot of people 1309 01:07:34,425 --> 01:07:38,304 because it was talking about something, 1310 01:07:38,429 --> 01:07:45,019 that even in 2019, we're still not comfortable addressing. 1311 01:07:45,144 --> 01:07:51,234 The idea that "alien" is addressing 1312 01:07:51,359 --> 01:07:56,781 the guilt that a patriarchal society feels 1313 01:07:56,906 --> 01:07:58,825 makes perfect sense to me. 1314 01:07:58,950 --> 01:08:00,535 We'll move in pairs. 1315 01:08:00,660 --> 01:08:03,663 We'll go step by step and cut off every bulkhead and every 1316 01:08:03,788 --> 01:08:06,207 vent until we have it cornered, and then we'll blow it 1317 01:08:06,332 --> 01:08:07,917 the fuck out into space. 1318 01:08:08,042 --> 01:08:10,628 Is that acceptable to you? 1319 01:08:10,753 --> 01:08:12,964 Ripley was created in 1979, and it's 1320 01:08:13,089 --> 01:08:15,800 insane that we don't have that many great female characters 1321 01:08:15,925 --> 01:08:17,093 since. 1322 01:08:17,218 --> 01:08:19,262 And especially in a genre like horror, 1323 01:08:19,387 --> 01:08:23,558 that's given so many female characters throughout time, 1324 01:08:23,683 --> 01:08:25,310 and yet, there's not one that strikes us 1325 01:08:25,435 --> 01:08:29,188 as being as developed and as complex and as interesting 1326 01:08:29,314 --> 01:08:30,440 as Ripley was. 1327 01:08:30,565 --> 01:08:32,734 And isn't it ironic that she ends up 1328 01:08:32,859 --> 01:08:36,279 being that way because she was written to be a man? 1329 01:08:36,404 --> 01:08:39,490 Ripley is the only maternal character 1330 01:08:39,616 --> 01:08:41,701 within her promethean crew. 1331 01:08:41,826 --> 01:08:45,663 Her transformation gives us direction 1332 01:08:45,788 --> 01:08:48,541 for the transformation that we need to take as a culture 1333 01:08:48,666 --> 01:08:50,126 to avoid self-destruction. 1334 01:08:50,251 --> 01:08:51,251 She's a new example. 1335 01:08:53,838 --> 01:08:56,090 Adam Mortimer: When we start off this sequence with Kane, 1336 01:08:56,215 --> 01:08:58,384 this very strange shot that's low angle, 1337 01:08:58,509 --> 01:09:00,136 and he's all the way to the side... 1338 01:09:00,261 --> 01:09:03,014 And maybe at that point, for want of a better term, 1339 01:09:03,139 --> 01:09:04,992 there's kind of this something's being buried inside you, 1340 01:09:05,016 --> 01:09:06,452 something's been planted in your brain, 1341 01:09:06,476 --> 01:09:07,935 and you're not sure what. 1342 01:09:08,061 --> 01:09:09,061 Parker: How you doing? 1343 01:09:09,145 --> 01:09:09,896 Ian Nathan: Kane seems all right. 1344 01:09:10,021 --> 01:09:11,564 He's even smiling a bit. 1345 01:09:11,689 --> 01:09:13,083 He's not at his best, but he's... he's looking a bit peaky, 1346 01:09:13,107 --> 01:09:15,652 but he's starting to kind of cough. 1347 01:09:15,777 --> 01:09:17,945 Before you realize what really happens, 1348 01:09:18,071 --> 01:09:19,572 your brain is already ahead of you. 1349 01:09:19,697 --> 01:09:23,368 Your brain is going, it's in him, and it's coming out. 1350 01:09:23,493 --> 01:09:24,928 Adam Mortimer: One thing that he's certainly 1351 01:09:24,952 --> 01:09:27,955 taking advantage of is the incredible width 1352 01:09:28,081 --> 01:09:29,916 of the anamorphic frame. 1353 01:09:30,041 --> 01:09:33,294 The entire cast is in this one wide shot. 1354 01:09:33,419 --> 01:09:36,047 What could be safer than every single cast 1355 01:09:36,172 --> 01:09:40,510 member in a brightly lit white room in a horror movie? 1356 01:09:40,635 --> 01:09:42,053 Everything in that ship is so dark. 1357 01:09:42,178 --> 01:09:44,764 I mean, the light Ridley Scott uses is literally 1358 01:09:44,889 --> 01:09:45,949 the light from the torches. 1359 01:09:45,973 --> 01:09:47,558 That's it, right? 1360 01:09:47,684 --> 01:09:50,004 But that scene, oh my god, you could operate in that scene. 1361 01:09:50,061 --> 01:09:51,497 And you needed to operate in that scene, 1362 01:09:51,521 --> 01:09:54,607 but they couldn't save the patient. 1363 01:09:54,732 --> 01:09:56,651 Adam Mortimer: You go to ash's reaction. 1364 01:09:56,776 --> 01:09:58,736 I think that really, the key to the tension 1365 01:09:58,861 --> 01:10:01,364 here is tracking ash, because he's always in opposition 1366 01:10:01,489 --> 01:10:03,616 to everybody else. 1367 01:10:03,741 --> 01:10:05,427 It's a very short shot, and you wouldn't notice it 1368 01:10:05,451 --> 01:10:06,679 the first time, but when you go back 1369 01:10:06,703 --> 01:10:08,579 and rewatch it you realize, he knows 1370 01:10:08,705 --> 01:10:10,164 that this is going to happen. 1371 01:10:10,289 --> 01:10:13,167 There's so many more single one shots of him 1372 01:10:13,292 --> 01:10:16,671 in this very strange off-kilter framing that really gives him 1373 01:10:16,796 --> 01:10:19,882 this sinister surveillance kind of vibe, 1374 01:10:20,007 --> 01:10:21,727 whereas most of the other characters, you're 1375 01:10:21,759 --> 01:10:25,054 seeing them in groups, because they're all on the same team. 1376 01:10:25,179 --> 01:10:27,598 You believe that this is because he has a better intuition 1377 01:10:27,724 --> 01:10:29,827 than the rest of them about how dangerous it is and he's trying 1378 01:10:29,851 --> 01:10:31,978 to protect them, but in fact, he's 1379 01:10:32,103 --> 01:10:35,523 trying to protect this baby monster that he's 1380 01:10:35,648 --> 01:10:36,899 allowed to come into the world. 1381 01:10:37,024 --> 01:10:39,277 This son of a bitch is huge. 1382 01:10:39,402 --> 01:10:40,653 I mean, it's like a man. 1383 01:10:40,778 --> 01:10:41,821 It's big. 1384 01:10:41,946 --> 01:10:44,574 Kane's son. 1385 01:10:44,699 --> 01:10:46,743 Ash is such a dick. 1386 01:10:46,868 --> 01:10:48,661 Dallas: Ash, you hear or see anything? 1387 01:10:51,748 --> 01:10:55,293 When you think about it, he's not an authentic being. 1388 01:10:55,418 --> 01:11:02,842 So someone, a human person had to program him, educate him. 1389 01:11:02,967 --> 01:11:05,344 Not only is he supposed to look like a person, 1390 01:11:05,470 --> 01:11:08,264 he's supposed to pass as a person, 1391 01:11:08,389 --> 01:11:10,141 because the crew didn't know. 1392 01:11:10,266 --> 01:11:15,146 And that's what makes him the worse. 1393 01:11:15,271 --> 01:11:18,107 That misogyny was built-in. 1394 01:11:18,232 --> 01:11:19,567 Could kill him. 1395 01:11:19,692 --> 01:11:21,319 Clarke wolfe: Ash looks at Dallas, 1396 01:11:21,444 --> 01:11:22,653 like, what do you think? 1397 01:11:22,779 --> 01:11:23,881 I'm willing to take that chance. 1398 01:11:23,905 --> 01:11:25,031 Just cut it off of him. 1399 01:11:25,156 --> 01:11:26,240 You take responsibility? 1400 01:11:26,365 --> 01:11:27,593 Yes, yes, I'll take responsibility. 1401 01:11:27,617 --> 01:11:29,076 Now get it off of him. 1402 01:11:29,202 --> 01:11:31,287 Clarke wolfe: Ripley, on the other hand, is saying, 1403 01:11:31,412 --> 01:11:32,538 I am making this call. 1404 01:11:32,663 --> 01:11:34,415 It's my job to make this call. 1405 01:11:34,540 --> 01:11:35,875 Dallas: Ripley, this is an order. 1406 01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:36,834 You hear me? 1407 01:11:36,959 --> 01:11:37,959 Yes. 1408 01:11:38,002 --> 01:11:38,753 I read you. 1409 01:11:38,878 --> 01:11:42,673 The answer is negative. 1410 01:11:42,799 --> 01:11:44,133 Inner hatch opened. 1411 01:11:44,258 --> 01:11:46,594 And he says, nope, that's not gonna happen. 1412 01:11:46,719 --> 01:11:48,346 I override you. 1413 01:11:48,471 --> 01:11:53,559 Where does he get the idea to penetrate this woman forcibly? 1414 01:11:53,684 --> 01:11:55,269 You know, but it doesn't logically 1415 01:11:55,394 --> 01:11:57,814 make sense for an artificial life form to do that. 1416 01:11:57,939 --> 01:11:58,939 He would choke her. 1417 01:11:58,981 --> 01:12:00,900 He would suffocate her. 1418 01:12:01,025 --> 01:12:05,947 The final choice that he makes is to just 1419 01:12:06,072 --> 01:12:08,074 put this woman in her place. 1420 01:12:08,199 --> 01:12:11,953 The programming... think, if we think about that, 1421 01:12:12,078 --> 01:12:16,958 if we really unpack that, it's so frustrating. 1422 01:12:17,083 --> 01:12:19,126 I hate him. 1423 01:12:22,797 --> 01:12:24,358 Adam Mortimer: Another thing that I think 1424 01:12:24,382 --> 01:12:27,718 about is the tradition of dramatizations that happen 1425 01:12:27,844 --> 01:12:30,638 over dinners, which you can see in anything 1426 01:12:30,763 --> 01:12:34,100 from Chekov, to ibsen, going back to Shakespeare. 1427 01:12:34,225 --> 01:12:36,936 And I can't help but think of "guess who's coming to dinner." 1428 01:12:37,061 --> 01:12:39,480 And in this case, it's the alien who's coming to dinner 1429 01:12:39,605 --> 01:12:43,985 and shreds the social fabric of the dinner table. 1430 01:12:44,110 --> 01:12:47,321 But the text and the subtext is totally about food, right? 1431 01:12:47,446 --> 01:12:49,991 The first thing that I'm gonna do when I get back 1432 01:12:50,116 --> 01:12:51,951 is to get some decent food. 1433 01:12:52,076 --> 01:12:53,244 I can dig it, man. 1434 01:12:53,369 --> 01:12:54,638 I'm telling you I've eaten worse food... 1435 01:12:54,662 --> 01:12:55,889 Adam Mortimer: Even when it comes to... 1436 01:12:55,913 --> 01:12:57,498 There's this shot across the table, 1437 01:12:57,623 --> 01:13:00,960 and you can see the cat in the background, soft focus, 1438 01:13:01,085 --> 01:13:03,045 it's eating dinner too. 1439 01:13:03,170 --> 01:13:05,840 Kane: Usually you know what it's made of. 1440 01:13:05,965 --> 01:13:08,718 No, man, I don't want to talk about what it's made of. 1441 01:13:08,843 --> 01:13:09,677 I'm eating... 1442 01:13:09,802 --> 01:13:11,262 What's the food made of? 1443 01:13:11,387 --> 01:13:14,682 It's made out of your fucking insides of your body. 1444 01:13:14,807 --> 01:13:16,851 And there's just this cluster of noise. 1445 01:13:16,976 --> 01:13:19,937 And it's almost like you're hearing it from the point 1446 01:13:20,062 --> 01:13:21,647 of view of the chestburster. 1447 01:13:21,772 --> 01:13:23,733 It's inside of Kane. 1448 01:13:23,858 --> 01:13:25,693 It's fully conscious. 1449 01:13:25,818 --> 01:13:27,570 It's about to come through him. 1450 01:13:27,695 --> 01:13:30,531 It's first impressions of the universe 1451 01:13:30,656 --> 01:13:32,116 are hearing these indistinct voices 1452 01:13:32,241 --> 01:13:33,576 of all of these human beings. 1453 01:13:33,701 --> 01:13:36,954 It's like you're in this sort of Sonic womb. 1454 01:13:37,079 --> 01:13:41,334 Roger corman: Now, from the laughter, comes of first sign 1455 01:13:41,459 --> 01:13:44,712 that something is wrong. 1456 01:13:44,837 --> 01:13:48,966 That is John brilliantly portraying the beginning 1457 01:13:49,091 --> 01:13:51,677 of the pain within him. 1458 01:13:51,802 --> 01:13:57,016 The reaction of everybody is so precise, so right. 1459 01:13:57,141 --> 01:13:58,619 Adam Mortimer: As soon as this guy gets sick, 1460 01:13:58,643 --> 01:14:01,270 and he flips hand-held behind his head, 1461 01:14:01,395 --> 01:14:03,773 you feel like you're in this completely different world. 1462 01:14:03,898 --> 01:14:06,776 To me, Ridley's really pulling a kubrick here. 1463 01:14:06,901 --> 01:14:08,569 You see this in "clockwork orange," 1464 01:14:08,694 --> 01:14:10,321 you see this in "Barry lyndon." 1465 01:14:10,446 --> 01:14:13,532 In all of these movies, you have kubrick approaching 1466 01:14:13,658 --> 01:14:16,494 sets and characters with a very squared 1467 01:14:16,619 --> 01:14:18,704 off and rigid formal style. 1468 01:14:18,829 --> 01:14:20,998 But when violence happens, kubrick 1469 01:14:21,123 --> 01:14:24,126 will drastically change the kind of visual vocabulary 1470 01:14:24,251 --> 01:14:25,670 of the scene. 1471 01:14:25,795 --> 01:14:27,064 Adam Mortimer: It's this amazing choice 1472 01:14:27,088 --> 01:14:29,173 to not see Kane's face at the very moment 1473 01:14:29,298 --> 01:14:31,217 that he's going through the most agony. 1474 01:14:31,342 --> 01:14:33,427 It's incredibly unnerving, and it's 1475 01:14:33,552 --> 01:14:36,263 sort of a taste of what's about to happen 1476 01:14:36,389 --> 01:14:39,767 25 seconds later when it becomes one of the messiest scenes 1477 01:14:39,892 --> 01:14:41,227 in film history. 1478 01:14:41,352 --> 01:14:43,688 Ridley Scott: Hello, Roger, and cut, push out. 1479 01:14:43,813 --> 01:14:45,648 Roger Christian: It was kind of looming 1480 01:14:45,773 --> 01:14:47,316 at us this scene, you know? 1481 01:14:47,441 --> 01:14:49,819 Everyone was a bit worried about it for sure, 1482 01:14:49,944 --> 01:14:51,904 because a, it'd never been done before, 1483 01:14:52,029 --> 01:14:55,574 and there was so much preparation around it. 1484 01:14:55,700 --> 01:14:57,820 Ian Nathan: Like much of the design work for the film, 1485 01:14:57,910 --> 01:15:00,413 it had taken a long while to get to where they were. 1486 01:15:00,538 --> 01:15:03,040 And I don't know how fully satisfied Ridley was. 1487 01:15:03,165 --> 01:15:05,001 I think the egg and the facehugger 1488 01:15:05,126 --> 01:15:07,169 worked very clearly for him. 1489 01:15:07,294 --> 01:15:09,064 You'd have the kind of witch's fingers element 1490 01:15:09,088 --> 01:15:10,816 of the facehugger, it's slightly kind of sort 1491 01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:13,175 of insectile nature of it. 1492 01:15:13,300 --> 01:15:15,511 But the chestburster was difficult, because it 1493 01:15:15,636 --> 01:15:16,721 had to appear childlike. 1494 01:15:16,846 --> 01:15:18,198 It had to at least kind of function. 1495 01:15:18,222 --> 01:15:20,182 It had to be able to come out of his chest, 1496 01:15:20,307 --> 01:15:22,810 it had to suggest the creature to come. 1497 01:15:22,935 --> 01:15:25,688 So in a way, the design of the chestburster was governed most, 1498 01:15:25,813 --> 01:15:28,315 I think, by function and practicality, 1499 01:15:28,441 --> 01:15:33,195 the need the sequence as much by the flamboyance of giger's work 1500 01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:37,992 and then Scott's desire to create something extraordinary. 1501 01:15:38,117 --> 01:15:40,286 Ivor Powell: They couldn't solve the look of it. 1502 01:15:40,411 --> 01:15:42,955 Giger had a go at the chestburster, 1503 01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:44,665 and he says he never got it right. 1504 01:15:44,790 --> 01:15:46,417 It wasn't working. 1505 01:15:46,542 --> 01:15:49,837 I did some design they looked like chicken, something like... 1506 01:15:49,962 --> 01:15:52,590 Like chicken without feathers. 1507 01:15:52,715 --> 01:15:55,384 But I was not happy with. 1508 01:15:55,509 --> 01:15:59,138 And then build up the thing, and it 1509 01:15:59,263 --> 01:16:02,266 looked like a small dinosaur. 1510 01:16:02,391 --> 01:16:04,369 Ian Nathan: It had versions that kind of looked like a Turkey 1511 01:16:04,393 --> 01:16:06,479 that had been sort of plucked. 1512 01:16:06,604 --> 01:16:08,105 Just were laughable. 1513 01:16:08,230 --> 01:16:10,390 They couldn't come up with something that was genuinely 1514 01:16:10,483 --> 01:16:12,568 terrifying in its own right. 1515 01:16:12,693 --> 01:16:14,320 Roger Christian: Roger dicken went away 1516 01:16:14,445 --> 01:16:16,447 and developed it on his own. 1517 01:16:16,572 --> 01:16:19,575 He was able to make it work. 1518 01:16:19,700 --> 01:16:22,161 They had made this little puppet. 1519 01:16:22,286 --> 01:16:25,289 Frankly, it looked like a penis and... 1520 01:16:25,414 --> 01:16:26,624 With teeth. 1521 01:16:26,749 --> 01:16:29,835 And they had, like, they said, and we're 1522 01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:33,089 going to have it so that it'll just blow up, 1523 01:16:33,214 --> 01:16:34,441 and then these teeth will come out. 1524 01:16:34,465 --> 01:16:36,842 They were like, describing this. 1525 01:16:36,967 --> 01:16:38,677 It's just a thing. 1526 01:16:38,803 --> 01:16:41,472 We were going, oh, ok. 1527 01:16:41,597 --> 01:16:44,934 I mean, they were so excited, these puppeteer people. 1528 01:16:45,059 --> 01:16:47,812 They were... it was just hysterical. 1529 01:16:47,937 --> 01:16:49,956 Ian Nathan: The fundamental math of the chestburster sequence 1530 01:16:49,980 --> 01:16:51,816 is that the cast didn't know. 1531 01:16:51,941 --> 01:16:53,692 Course, this isn't quite true. 1532 01:16:53,818 --> 01:16:56,018 We knew that there was going to be a chestburster scene, 1533 01:16:56,112 --> 01:16:58,739 we just didn't know how it was going to be done. 1534 01:16:58,864 --> 01:17:00,504 Roger Christian: John hurt obviously knew, 1535 01:17:00,616 --> 01:17:03,702 so they just kept him plied with red wine and cigarettes all day 1536 01:17:03,828 --> 01:17:05,079 long. 1537 01:17:05,204 --> 01:17:08,624 They knew they were relying on his Patience 1538 01:17:08,749 --> 01:17:12,962 to stay in that position while everything was set up. 1539 01:17:13,087 --> 01:17:16,048 The atmosphere on the set had a certain frisson, 1540 01:17:16,173 --> 01:17:18,551 you know, in the morning, because everybody 1541 01:17:18,676 --> 01:17:21,387 knew that this was filmically, a sort of major scene. 1542 01:17:21,512 --> 01:17:23,281 I don't think anybody had any idea that it would 1543 01:17:23,305 --> 01:17:25,850 become a kind of film classic. 1544 01:17:25,975 --> 01:17:28,328 Ian Nathan: Roger dicken brought the chestburster to the set 1545 01:17:28,352 --> 01:17:29,895 in a carrier bag. 1546 01:17:30,020 --> 01:17:31,647 Blood was being loaded. 1547 01:17:31,772 --> 01:17:34,316 All the crew was sort of donning these rain jackets because they 1548 01:17:34,441 --> 01:17:36,068 kind of knew what was coming. 1549 01:17:36,193 --> 01:17:38,130 Roger Christian: In the morning, Ridley said, let's put 1550 01:17:38,154 --> 01:17:40,156 some bits of gristle and stuff. 1551 01:17:40,281 --> 01:17:42,491 So I sent the buyer down to the abattoir 1552 01:17:42,616 --> 01:17:47,955 to buy a load of offal, which stank terrible. 1553 01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:51,876 And they put it in formaldehyde for you, but it was worse. 1554 01:17:52,001 --> 01:17:53,085 But we packed it round. 1555 01:17:53,210 --> 01:17:54,670 And Ridley was doing it himself too. 1556 01:17:54,795 --> 01:17:58,966 We were sticking it all around underneath. 1557 01:17:59,091 --> 01:18:00,902 Veronica Cartwright: We're all up in our dressing rooms 1558 01:18:00,926 --> 01:18:02,595 at shepperton studios. 1559 01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:04,805 Harry Dean Stanton is sitting in the hall 1560 01:18:04,930 --> 01:18:06,682 singing and playing guitar. 1561 01:18:06,807 --> 01:18:08,392 We're up there for hours. 1562 01:18:08,517 --> 01:18:11,729 We kept wondering, what the... what was going on? 1563 01:18:11,854 --> 01:18:13,415 Ian Nathan: But at a certain point in time, 1564 01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:16,150 some assistant is sent to bring them to set. 1565 01:18:16,275 --> 01:18:20,279 And what greets them isn't a vision, it's a smell. 1566 01:18:20,404 --> 01:18:21,947 Because over these hours, this kind 1567 01:18:22,072 --> 01:18:23,672 of offal and produce has just 1568 01:18:23,782 --> 01:18:25,576 been cooking under the lights. 1569 01:18:25,701 --> 01:18:29,371 Literally, you gagged when you walked onto the set. 1570 01:18:29,496 --> 01:18:30,956 It was so disgusting. 1571 01:18:31,081 --> 01:18:33,584 Ridley wasn't certain how that was going to happen, 1572 01:18:33,709 --> 01:18:36,503 how... how... how's that gonna manifest? 1573 01:18:36,629 --> 01:18:40,382 All this... this innards of a cow and the blood, 1574 01:18:40,507 --> 01:18:43,385 and thinking, my. 1575 01:18:43,510 --> 01:18:44,970 Dan o'bannon: What they saw was John 1576 01:18:45,095 --> 01:18:48,098 hurt spread out on this table with all of these hoses. 1577 01:18:48,224 --> 01:18:50,267 Everybody is covered up in suits. 1578 01:18:50,392 --> 01:18:53,020 The actors walk in, and they see that waiting for them. 1579 01:18:53,145 --> 01:18:55,356 And I saw them, their faces all sort of dropped. 1580 01:18:55,481 --> 01:18:58,776 They all sort of went like this, and their eyes got big 1581 01:18:58,901 --> 01:19:00,945 and roamed around all over this stuff. 1582 01:19:01,070 --> 01:19:03,656 Veronica Cartwright: We started to shoot the scene, 1583 01:19:03,781 --> 01:19:06,951 and I was told I'd get a little blood on me. 1584 01:19:07,076 --> 01:19:09,495 So we start to roll. 1585 01:19:09,620 --> 01:19:12,998 Ian Nathan: And then what happens is brilliant. 1586 01:19:13,123 --> 01:19:17,002 There's just this splat, almost like a bullet has hit him. 1587 01:19:17,127 --> 01:19:20,422 He puts a pause in. 1588 01:19:20,547 --> 01:19:22,925 You've got to kind of give the audience a chance 1589 01:19:23,050 --> 01:19:25,010 to realize what's happened. 1590 01:19:25,135 --> 01:19:27,554 John hurt: The whole thing was really a trick in the cut. 1591 01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:29,306 And there was a cut to the other side 1592 01:19:29,431 --> 01:19:32,559 of the table where by which time I had been 1593 01:19:32,685 --> 01:19:34,353 replaced by a replica body. 1594 01:19:34,478 --> 01:19:37,314 His t-shirt pulled you know, tightly on it, 1595 01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:43,362 and then there's gonna be blood lines on high pressure pumps. 1596 01:19:43,487 --> 01:19:45,406 They're going to blow blood everywhere. 1597 01:19:45,531 --> 01:19:48,325 So we start to roll, and then all of a sudden, 1598 01:19:48,450 --> 01:19:49,450 Ridley shouts, cut. 1599 01:19:49,493 --> 01:19:50,536 Cut. 1600 01:19:50,661 --> 01:19:52,955 It didn't work on the first take. 1601 01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:54,623 There wasn't much of a chestburster. 1602 01:19:54,748 --> 01:19:56,875 It couldn't get through the damn t-shirt. 1603 01:19:57,001 --> 01:19:59,336 Well, we found ourselves leaning in to see 1604 01:19:59,461 --> 01:20:01,046 what the hell was going on. 1605 01:20:01,171 --> 01:20:04,425 Roger Christian: Second time, it still didn't go through, 1606 01:20:04,550 --> 01:20:06,218 but it came up like that, and then 1607 01:20:06,343 --> 01:20:07,970 went down and covered in blood. 1608 01:20:08,095 --> 01:20:11,056 And the actors were all kind of looking like that and curious. 1609 01:20:11,181 --> 01:20:16,645 So it was a stroke of genius that it went wrong. 1610 01:20:16,770 --> 01:20:20,482 They still didn't know what was coming. 1611 01:20:20,607 --> 01:20:22,401 And it reset again. 1612 01:20:22,526 --> 01:20:25,904 Ridley just said to Nick allder and to Roger dicken, 1613 01:20:26,030 --> 01:20:27,906 just get it through this time. 1614 01:20:28,032 --> 01:20:31,869 And they added more blood, more pipelines. 1615 01:20:31,994 --> 01:20:34,246 Ian Nathan: And this thing goes up through, splat. 1616 01:20:34,371 --> 01:20:35,914 They fire all the pumps. 1617 01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:37,350 Roger Christian: When it went through, 1618 01:20:37,374 --> 01:20:41,170 I mean, that blood just went everywhere. 1619 01:20:41,295 --> 01:20:43,547 It was just exactly what Scott wanted. 1620 01:20:43,672 --> 01:20:47,468 It was just this absolutely immediate visceral response. 1621 01:20:47,593 --> 01:20:52,056 When it happened, of course, it stills you. 1622 01:20:52,181 --> 01:20:57,061 So that's how it manifests, huh? 1623 01:20:57,186 --> 01:20:58,062 Ridley Scott: God! 1624 01:20:58,187 --> 01:21:01,106 And again, Nick, and again! 1625 01:21:01,231 --> 01:21:04,818 Veronica Cartwright: I had leaned into a blood jet. 1626 01:21:04,943 --> 01:21:08,364 That little blood shot me square in the face. 1627 01:21:08,489 --> 01:21:12,785 And that's when I jumped back and I went, oh my god. 1628 01:21:12,910 --> 01:21:17,164 And my knees hit the back of those banquette 1629 01:21:17,289 --> 01:21:21,794 where we were all sitting, and it flipped me upside down. 1630 01:21:21,919 --> 01:21:24,088 And I said, oh my gosh, we're still shooting. 1631 01:21:24,213 --> 01:21:26,215 So I rolled over and I got back up, 1632 01:21:26,340 --> 01:21:30,010 and I ran around and got back into the scene. 1633 01:21:33,972 --> 01:21:36,892 So there were different... there were different reactions to it. 1634 01:21:37,017 --> 01:21:38,394 Ridley Scott: And action. 1635 01:21:38,519 --> 01:21:40,145 Crew: Blood. 1636 01:21:40,270 --> 01:21:41,146 Ridley Scott: Blood. 1637 01:21:41,271 --> 01:21:42,106 Crew: Enough. 1638 01:21:42,231 --> 01:21:42,731 Ridley Scott: Push it out. 1639 01:21:42,856 --> 01:21:43,899 Pump it. 1640 01:21:44,024 --> 01:21:45,085 Roger Christian: Roger dicken had 1641 01:21:45,109 --> 01:21:46,860 built little lungs in as well. 1642 01:21:46,985 --> 01:21:49,780 It was a lot of stuff going on under the table 1643 01:21:49,905 --> 01:21:54,410 to make it look so real, hung bits of stuff all over it so 1644 01:21:54,535 --> 01:21:56,412 that it looked like it broke through the flesh 1645 01:21:56,537 --> 01:21:57,537 and heart and muscles. 1646 01:22:00,082 --> 01:22:05,337 That was part of Ridley wanting this to be unquestionably real. 1647 01:22:06,713 --> 01:22:09,007 And I think that scream, when it screams, 1648 01:22:09,133 --> 01:22:11,135 there's the bacon shot. 1649 01:22:11,260 --> 01:22:14,513 There's something really strange in those paintings that 1650 01:22:14,638 --> 01:22:18,434 connects to the phobias that we carry with us to this day, 1651 01:22:18,559 --> 01:22:20,602 and they come from our ancient past. 1652 01:22:20,727 --> 01:22:23,021 So I think, you know, particularly 1653 01:22:23,147 --> 01:22:26,650 the "incubus" is one that was struck 1654 01:22:26,775 --> 01:22:29,027 me when I read the script. 1655 01:22:29,153 --> 01:22:31,780 Because that chestburster it comes out and sits there 1656 01:22:31,905 --> 01:22:34,741 for a moment and screams, and that's just as you 1657 01:22:34,867 --> 01:22:36,326 imagine an incubus would do. 1658 01:22:36,452 --> 01:22:39,037 It would come out, sit, and scream at you. 1659 01:22:39,163 --> 01:22:41,498 I loved that image so much, and what 1660 01:22:41,623 --> 01:22:44,209 I see in it is something that's like a material 1661 01:22:44,334 --> 01:22:47,045 object trying to come to life. 1662 01:22:47,171 --> 01:22:49,131 And that's what "alien" is. 1663 01:22:49,256 --> 01:22:50,466 Ridley Scott: Slow. 1664 01:22:50,591 --> 01:22:51,800 Slow. 1665 01:22:51,925 --> 01:22:55,512 Ok, and the head back. 1666 01:22:55,637 --> 01:22:58,015 Slow, go! 1667 01:22:58,140 --> 01:22:58,807 Shit. 1668 01:22:58,932 --> 01:22:59,433 Great. 1669 01:22:59,558 --> 01:23:00,100 Cut it. 1670 01:23:00,225 --> 01:23:00,809 Crew: Cut it. 1671 01:23:00,934 --> 01:23:02,394 Save the blood. 1672 01:23:02,519 --> 01:23:04,581 Drew Morton: When I'm watching the chestburster scene 1673 01:23:04,605 --> 01:23:08,150 on the nostromo, and I'm thinking about how brilliantly 1674 01:23:08,275 --> 01:23:10,944 staged it is because it doesn't take place in a dark corridor 1675 01:23:11,069 --> 01:23:12,654 with a guy all by himself. 1676 01:23:12,779 --> 01:23:16,658 And then decades later, Ridley Scott 1677 01:23:16,783 --> 01:23:20,454 restages a chestburster scene and does it exactly in that way 1678 01:23:20,579 --> 01:23:23,290 that's so much more tropey. 1679 01:23:23,415 --> 01:23:26,627 In the dark, a guy alone being watched over 1680 01:23:26,752 --> 01:23:34,718 only by the malevolent David, and with this smoke and lights 1681 01:23:34,843 --> 01:23:38,138 behind him, it's almost like it's the first draft 1682 01:23:38,263 --> 01:23:39,890 of the original scene that was rejected 1683 01:23:40,015 --> 01:23:43,393 and then for some reason, revisited later. 1684 01:23:43,519 --> 01:23:47,397 But on the other hand, there is something really 1685 01:23:47,523 --> 01:23:50,943 delightful if you give into it. 1686 01:23:51,068 --> 01:23:54,279 I feel like Ridley Scott can't find a better way 1687 01:23:54,404 --> 01:23:58,575 to talk about his own mortality than by going back 1688 01:23:58,700 --> 01:24:03,247 over and over to the origin side of the height of his powers 1689 01:24:03,372 --> 01:24:06,500 and the height of his creativity. 1690 01:24:06,625 --> 01:24:08,961 Ian Nathan: If you look at where Ridley Scott is currently 1691 01:24:09,086 --> 01:24:11,880 taking the "alien" cycle, he's using 1692 01:24:12,005 --> 01:24:14,258 it explicitly to explore questions 1693 01:24:14,383 --> 01:24:16,593 of where did life come from? 1694 01:24:16,718 --> 01:24:20,097 What does it mean to be human? 1695 01:24:20,222 --> 01:24:24,851 He seems fascinated by the idea that the child would destroy 1696 01:24:24,977 --> 01:24:31,191 the parent, that the created would destroy the creator, that 1697 01:24:31,316 --> 01:24:35,112 things we make come back and destroy us, which I suppose 1698 01:24:35,237 --> 01:24:37,614 are variations on the Frankenstein story. 1699 01:24:37,739 --> 01:24:41,660 But the repeated recurrence of this in his work 1700 01:24:41,785 --> 01:24:45,622 suggests, I think, a major autistic obsession, actually. 1701 01:24:48,750 --> 01:24:52,129 People often talk of Hollywood as the dream factory 1702 01:24:52,254 --> 01:24:54,631 but I think the dreams that Hollywood puts on the screens 1703 01:24:54,756 --> 01:24:57,342 are not just the dream of one person, 1704 01:24:57,467 --> 01:24:59,928 they're collective dreams. 1705 01:25:00,053 --> 01:25:04,391 Cinema is a window on our collective unconscious. 1706 01:25:04,516 --> 01:25:07,019 And in that way, I think that "alien" 1707 01:25:07,144 --> 01:25:09,896 is an incredibly important window 1708 01:25:10,022 --> 01:25:15,944 on what people were thinking about as of the late 1970s. 1709 01:25:16,069 --> 01:25:18,572 When you look back an alien 40 years later, 1710 01:25:18,697 --> 01:25:20,741 it seems prophetic of where we've gone. 1711 01:25:20,866 --> 01:25:22,386 We're still going in the same direction 1712 01:25:22,451 --> 01:25:25,037 that it seemed to be indicating at the time, which makes 1713 01:25:25,162 --> 01:25:28,790 the world of "alien," if not probable, at least, you know, 1714 01:25:28,915 --> 01:25:30,626 looking like a possibility in the way 1715 01:25:30,751 --> 01:25:32,461 that "star wars" could never be. 1716 01:25:36,673 --> 01:25:39,718 The last act of "alien" is escaping self-destruction. 1717 01:25:39,843 --> 01:25:41,887 That's the myth of our times. 1718 01:25:42,012 --> 01:25:43,812 Part of what makes "alien" so powerful is it's 1719 01:25:43,847 --> 01:25:45,307 so much more than an allegory. 1720 01:25:45,432 --> 01:25:50,062 It taps into a deep set of patterns that can 1721 01:25:50,187 --> 01:25:51,980 mean many, many, many things. 1722 01:25:52,105 --> 01:25:54,650 I don't think we can get to the bottom of "alien." 1723 01:25:54,775 --> 01:25:57,861 Like a piece of sand vibrating in a somatic experiment, 1724 01:25:57,986 --> 01:26:00,697 in touch with something deeper, Dan o'bannon must have been 1725 01:26:00,822 --> 01:26:02,699 on the frequency for this myth. 1726 01:26:02,824 --> 01:26:07,829 He seems to have been a stenograph for a larger song. 1727 01:26:09,831 --> 01:26:13,460 Diane o'bannon: My husband was out of time, in a way, 1728 01:26:13,585 --> 01:26:16,880 out of specific time. 1729 01:26:17,005 --> 01:26:18,507 But he lives on. 1730 01:26:18,632 --> 01:26:22,260 And when he was dying, that's what I said to him. 1731 01:26:22,386 --> 01:26:24,304 He was not conscious. 1732 01:26:24,429 --> 01:26:26,682 I said, you moved the world. 1733 01:26:26,807 --> 01:26:27,516 You did it. 1734 01:26:27,641 --> 01:26:29,267 You moved the world. 1735 01:26:29,393 --> 01:26:31,353 And he did. 1736 01:26:31,478 --> 01:26:35,148 In a way, I don't think Dan o'bannon is finished yet. 1737 01:26:35,273 --> 01:26:39,361 When he died, I had a strange feeling 1738 01:26:39,486 --> 01:26:44,533 that he'd gone back to the future from whence he'd come. 1739 01:26:44,658 --> 01:26:48,245 And there's still things there that are emerging from him 1740 01:26:48,370 --> 01:26:51,707 and things that I have that are just 1741 01:26:51,832 --> 01:26:53,417 now becoming relevant today. 1742 01:26:53,542 --> 01:26:56,378 And there's more there. 1743 01:26:56,503 --> 01:26:57,713 There's more there. 1744 01:26:57,838 --> 01:27:00,257 Don't ask me why he had this connection 1745 01:27:00,382 --> 01:27:05,011 to the past and the future, but he sure did. 1746 01:27:05,137 --> 01:27:08,640 He came from a place that had no telephone or television 1747 01:27:08,765 --> 01:27:11,852 and went to the stars. 1748 01:27:11,977 --> 01:27:12,686 Went to the stars. 1749 01:27:12,811 --> 01:27:14,062 It's inexplicable. 132519

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