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In 1968 a new phase is now starting.
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We have reached an important point when the end begins to come into view.
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Tet, the Vietnamese New Year.A massive Vietcong
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and North Vietnamese offensive struck the cities of South Vietnam.
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The attacks spilled into the living rooms of America
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and split the White House staff.
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Yes, I was optimistic after the Tet offensive
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-- even more optimistic in a sense than before --
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because it's one thing to have confidence
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that you're going to cope with this maximum effort.
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It's another thing to see that everyone was coping.
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You'll see that the cables from Saigon, from Ambassador Bunker,
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told us that the enemy was defeated on the ground very early.
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It would take time to mop up.
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For the rest of us who were not in the National Security Council staff
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even though we were reading many of those cables
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and going down there for such reassurance as we could get
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we were also watching the American television.
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And American television was showing a different sight.
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That sense of the awfulness, the endlessness of the war.
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The unethical quality that did not recognize that when a man was taken prisoner,
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he was not to be shot at point blank range.
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The terrible sight of General Luan raising his revolver
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to the head of a captured Vietcong and killing him.
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They were awful contradictions -- the cables on the one side,
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the television on the other.It was very disturbing.
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Vietnam was history's first television war.
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Now as the fighting ripped into Saigon,
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millions of Americans watched the battle on the evening news.
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We've got another, two more alert forces that are trying to
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push him out this way but he's got -- he's heavily fortified.
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He's got a lot of ammo.
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What's he got, small arms?
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Small arms, automatic fire, grenade launcher, and hand grenades.
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You lost any men here?
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Well, I've got, uh five, five, six, six people I've had wounded.
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Now CIA men and MPs have gone into the embassy
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and are trying to get the snipers out by themselves.
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Nothing dramatized the Vietcong's drive more vividly to Americans than
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the scene inside the U.S. Embassy compound in Saigon,
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the South Vietnamese capital.
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The center of American power in Vietnam had come under fire.
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General, how would you assess yesterday's activities and today's?
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What is the enemy doing? Are these major attacks or(explosion)...
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That's EOD setting off a couple of M-79 duds, I believe.
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General, how would you assess the enemy's purposes yesterday and today?
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The enemy, very deceitfully, has taken advantage of the Tet truce
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in order to create maximum consternation within South Vietnam,
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particularly in the populated areas.
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The consternation was indeed maximum.
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For years the North Vietnamese and Vietcong
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had fought mainly in the rice fields and jungles.
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Now, for the first time, they were fighting in the cities
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in their biggest offensive of the war.
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They hit nearly every province and district capital across South Vietnam.
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They hit Westmoreland's own headquarters near the Saigon airport.
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They hit key targets throughout Saigon, including the government radio station.
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This is the main Vietnamese language radio station in Saigon,
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and right now there are an undisclosed number of VC inside occupying the station.
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They're not broadcasting on the air
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and they're surrounded by South Vietnamese troops.
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And they're pinned down inside.
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We think they're going to be throwing,we think they're going to be throwing
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tear gas any moment now to try to get them out that way.
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There's been a lot of shooting out the windows from inside up on the second floor.
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A comrade inside the radio station had captured an enemy machine gun
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and had fought with it throughout the night.
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By nine o'clock in the morning, he had only 20 rounds left.
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He was wounded, his leg shattered. He asked me to go and find out
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whether he should try to hold the place or blow it up.
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At about ten o'clock in the morning,
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we had only eight men inside with a very large explosive.
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They detonated the explosive,
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destroying the entire radio station and sacrificed themselves in the blast.
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U.S. combat troops had been in Vietnam for nearly three years before Tet, 1968.
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Yet all their superior power had failed to grind down the enemy.
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The war was deadlocked.
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In July 1967, Communist planners in Hanoi debated their next move.
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Some wanted to continue their war of attrition.
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But Ho Chi Minh approved a bold offensive
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designed to break the deadlock and open the way to power.
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The war in 1967 posed a different problem for Lyndon Johnson.
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He had to raise taxes to continue both the war and his social programs.
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To rally domestic support, he had to promise light at the end of the tunnel.
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How do you see it, General?Very very encouraged.
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I've never been more encouraged during my entire,
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almost four years in this country.I think we're making real progress.
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Everybody is very optimistic that I know of,
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who is intimately associated with our effort there.
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We feel that on the military side there has been substantial progress
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over the past two years, that in the last six months,
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the progress has been even more rapid than in the 18 months before that.
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All the challenges have been met.
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The enemy is not beaten but he knows that he has met his master in the field.
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Johnson had orchestrated this campaign of optimism only weeks before Tet.
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But he had reason to believe an enemy attack of some kind was coming.
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During the two previous years,
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the Communists had staged winter offensives along South Vietnam's borders.
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Now as U.S. intelligence detected large deployments moving south,
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Westmoreland expected similar assaults.
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He rushed 6,000 American Marines and South Vietnamese troops
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to Khesanh, a remote frontier outpost near the Ho Chi Minh Trail.
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From here he had hoped to control North Vietnamese infiltration
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into South Vietnam's northern provinces.
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The North Vietnamese attacked Khesanh in January, several days before Tet.
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Westmoreland thought this would be a decisive engagement.
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I think his plans concerned a major effort
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to win a spectacular battlefield success on the eve of Tet,
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which is the Chinese New Year, which takes place at the end of this month.
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Johnson was so concerned that he kept a model of Khesanh in the White House.
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But neither he nor his generals then fully knew
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the Communists' real purpose in fighting there.
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I did feel it was a target that the enemy was very much interested in,
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that he would want to seize it.And I wanted to fight him
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in the hinterland rather than allow him to get down among the people,
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which would have been very costly in casualties.
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Our objective was to inflict casualties on the enemy of Khesanh,
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thus compelling him to shift more of his forces there
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from the southern part of the country.
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In that way, it would be possible for our people
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to organize in order to liberate the South.
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But because we drew larger enemy forces into Khesanh,
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and allowed them to supply and reinforce themselves,
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we could not turn the encounter into a final big battle.
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Days after they began to shell Khesanh, the Communist commanders issued
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final orders for their nationwide offensive against South Vietnam's cities.
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The longest battle was waged for Hue, the old imperial capital.
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Survivors of the battle tell different stories.
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One is a refugee with family still in Vietnam.
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The night of Tet, the lunar New Year, was different from other New Year's eves.
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Firecrackers went on longer. They came faster and faster.
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There were more -- many more -- than on other New Years.
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The sounds of firecrackers and gunfire interspersed.Nobody realized
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that it was the gunfire of Communists who were overrunning the city of Hue.
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At that time, I was at the nursing school, now the secondary school for nurses.
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I was among the students there, and weapons were smuggled into us.
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At the nursing school we also managed to print a number of leaflets and tracts
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for the National Liberation Front calling on the population to remain calm
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and not carry out reprisals when its forces entered the city.
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For example, when people arrested an enemy agent,
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they were to turn him over to the cadres.
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Communist soldiers came in and asked my father his occupation and his residence.
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They told my father to describe his background.
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My father replied that he was deputy district chief of Trieuphong and
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that he was already old and would retire in one year.
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They wrote down everything, then went on to other houses.
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The North Vietnamese and Vietcong dominated Hue for three days.
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They rounded up South Vietnamese officials and government sympathizers.
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Some eluded arrest and fled with other civilians. Many did not.
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My father was ordered to attend a study session for ten days,
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and he was told that he would be released afterward.
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My mother and I accompanied him to the school.
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There were about 100 persons there.
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We stayed there until we saw my father leave.
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My mother and I were very worried because in 1946,
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my father's father had been arrested in the same way by the Communists.
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He never returned.
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The people so hated those who had tortured them in the past that,
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when the revolution came to Hue, they rooted out those despots
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to get rid of them -- just as they would poisonous snakes who,
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if allowed to live, would commit further crimes.
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Troops of South Vietnam's First Infantry Division joined
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U.S. Marines in the counter-attack against Hue.
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Many were fighting for their homes and for an historic city.
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The Nguyen emperors had built the Citadel,
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Hue's walled fortress, early in the nineteenth century.
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They modeled it on the impregnable Forbidden City in Peking, the Chinese capital.
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The North Vietnamese army set up a command post next to the throne,
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in the Palace of Perfect Peace.
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Delta Company, First Battalion, Fifth Regiment, U.S. Marines headed for the Citadel.
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I think my most vivid memory as I went in was in talking with
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one of the other company commanders who had already been participating there
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in the action for a couple of days,
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and in a very matter-of-fact way without a great deal of embellishment
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on his part he just frightened the hell out of me in telling me how bad it was.
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And I thought in my mind right then and there that, you know, hey,
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here I am with a fresh company and I knew without having to be told
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that what my mission was going to be the next day, was going to be
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to go try to take this fortified tower position along the east wall.
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And, sure enough, that evening when I went in to be briefed,
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Major Thompson, he just said,"Delta Company,
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tomorrow you're going to take that east wall."
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And I said, "Aye, aye, sir" and went at it.
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What's the hardest part of it?
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Not knowing where they are -- that's the worst thing.
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Riding around, running in the sewers, the gutters, anywhere.
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Could be anywhere. Just hope you can stay alive, day to day.
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Everybody just wants to go back home and go to school. That's about it.
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Have you lost any friends?
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Quite a few. We lost one the other day. The whole thing stinks, really.
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Two days later, on February 14,
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Delta Company took the fortified tower, then moved on.
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We tried our best to avoid malicious damage, if you would.
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We just didn't shoot at walls just to blow them down.
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But when we had to shoot at a house, we shot at a house.
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When we had to destroy a house, we destroyed it.
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But we didn't go in there with the express purpose
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that this is a wonderful opportunity to show how great our weapons are
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and how much destructive power they possess.
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As a result of their being so entrenched, it required for us
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to bring maximum fire power at our disposal to eliminate them.
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But we were fortunate in that we did have the weapons that were capable
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of routing the NVA and the Vietcong out of their positions.
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They directed artillery fire into the area where I lived.
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All the houses and trees were destroyed. They also directed rocket fire
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against the homes of the people in my neighborhood.
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The people here use kerosene and gasoline, and so their homes
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burst into flames when they were hit by the rockets.
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Old folks -- children and pregnant women who could not flee
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were burned alive in their homes.
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And throughout all of this, you constantly had this fear.
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Not so much that you were going to die,
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because I think to a certain degree that was a given.
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This was combined with the semi-darkness type of environment
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that we were fighting in because of the low overcast --
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the fact that we didn't see the sun -- gave it a very eerie, spooky look.
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You had this utter devastation all around you.
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You had this horrible smell.
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I mean you just cannot describe the smell of death
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especially when you're looking at it a couple of weeks along.
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It's horrible. It was there when you ate your rations.
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It was almost like you were eating death. You couldn't escape it.
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After 24 days of fierce fighting, South Vietnamese army units
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entered the Citadel and raised the flag of South Vietnam.
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Hue had been saved but destroyed.
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Seventy-five percent of its people were homeless.
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Eight thousand soldiers and civilians on both sides had been killed in the fighting.
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But the final toll was higher.
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In 1969, a Communist defected and told the chief of Thua Thien province
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that the Communists had buried a number of people
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in the Xuan O and Xuan Doi areas.
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The province chief ordered the bodies dug up, to exhume the remains
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those who had been arrested during the Tet offensive.
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I, along with others whose relatives had been killed, inspected the remains.
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The smell was terrible, but we had loved and missed our relatives,
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and it was our duty to search for them.
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Those who found the remains of their relatives were gratified,
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and those who could not were sad. I continued looking along with others.
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At Phu Tu, eight more tunnels were dug up.
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Strangely, all the skulls of the skeletons were smashed.
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Their arms were tied, and their positions indicated that they died kneeling.
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The skeletons were not stretched out.They were bundled up or huddled.
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I went on following the search party up until September 1969,
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but I never found my father's remains.
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The bodies found in the mass graves were solemnly buried by the
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South Vietnamese government-bodies of officials, army officers, priests, students.
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Some, who bore no visible marks of violence, had presumably been buried alive.
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Twenty-eight hundred bodies were eventually found,
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and the massacre prompted U.S. and South Vietnamese officials
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to predict a bloodbath if the Communists won the war.
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For the Communists, however, the Tet offensive fell short of their expectations.
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At that time, in the North, we had devoted our resources and our energy
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to the liberation of the South in 1968,
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and when this could not be achieved we certainly felt a little let down.
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Looking back at it now, it is clear that the first objective
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-- the liberation of the South -- was not accomplished.
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But at that time we did attack the command centers of the American forces
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and the puppet regime in the urban areas as well as in the provinces.
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We attacked the provincial headquarters, the Saigon presidential palace,
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the various secret police headquarters and the radio stations.
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And in Saigon we fought our way into the American embassy,
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which was the most important American headquarters in the South.
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We were able to occupy all these places, but we could not hold them.
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There-fore, we did not gain enough time for the people
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to stage their general uprising.
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For us, you know, strategy is never purely military.
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Our strategy is always a general, an integrated strategy:
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simultaneously military, political and diplomatic.
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Thus the Tet offensive of 1968 obviously had an objective
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that was both military and political.
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As a military operation, the offensive had failed.
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The southern Vietcong guerrilla forces had surfaced,
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to be killed or captured in large numbers.
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After 1968, the war was increasingly
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fought by North Vietnamese as a conventional conflict.
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The political goal of forcing President Thieu
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to accept a coalition government also failed.
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What they have realized in the city that the people was against them.
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So I believe that the general uprising that they had hoped have not happened.
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They have met with the anti-Communist sentiment from the people in the city,
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so they failed in both countryside and city.
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But even though it was a considerable military set-back
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for the North Vietnamese and Vietcong out there on the ground,
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it was,in effect,a brilliant political victory for them here in the United States.
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I'm not sure I fully understand the reasons why that should have occurred,
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but it became very clear after the Tet offensive
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that many people at the grass roots,such as my cousins in Cherokee County,
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finally came to the conclusion that if we could not tell them
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when this war was going to end, and we couldn't in any good faith,
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that we might as well chuck it.
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The Tet offensive came as a brutal surprise to President Johnson
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and all of his advisers.
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We had been led to believe that the Vietcong
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were pretty well defanged by that period,
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that the pacification program had worked very well,
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that most of the villages in South Vietnam were secure
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and that it was virtually impossible for the Vietcong
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to rise to the heights that they did in 1968.
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The shock of the Tet attacks forced Johnson, the commander-in-chief,
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to seek refuge in the military.
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Johnson, the president, said nothing to the nation.
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Tet had crystallized the dilemma of the war.Johnson wanted victory.
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But his enemy, though rebuffed, was still not defeated.
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Could he win now without expanding the war and committing more troops?
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At the time of the Tet offensive, I asked for only those troops
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that were on the way to me anyway, that had been promised,
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and had been organized.And I asked that they be accelerated.
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Johnson approved this request and sent off an airborne unit.
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But by now, Vietnam was draining America's overall military force.
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Johnson's generals pressed him to take a step he had always resisted:
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to call up the reserves, to gird the nation for a bigger war.
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Mr. Johnson then sent a message,
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"If you need further reinforcements, please call for them."
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I took no steps in that regard, until General Wheeler came over.
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He was the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
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And Wheeler told me that it was a good prospect
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that the reserves would be mobilized,that the strategy would be changed.
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And if reserves are mobilized and
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our strategy was changed to be an offensive strategy
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that would break down some of the geo-graphical barriers of Laos and Cambodia
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and allow us to take the war to the enemy in a more effective way
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through the bombing campaign --
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what would I want to bring the war to an end?
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It was in the context, then, of a contingency plan
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based on an assumption of a decision. And it was not request per se.
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But it was presented as Westmoreland's request for 206,000 troops for Vietnam.
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General Earle Wheeler said they were needed to stop another attack.
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In fact, Wheeler planned to keep half the troops at home
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to replenish the depleted reserves.
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Another adviser wanted to use the troops to invade North Vietnam.
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I thought that the extra troops would be justified,
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only if we used them in a very active policy to force an end to the war
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on the ground, through putting forces into North Vietnam as far north as Vien,
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and blocking off on the ground with U.S. forces the multiple trails in Laos.
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Johnson turned the troop request over to Clark Clifford,
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his new secretary of defense,a trusted adviser
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and supporter of the war from the beginning.
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President Johnson appointed a task force as soon as
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I went into the Pentagon and named me chairman of the task force.
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The reason was that the military had specifically requested
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206,000 more troops to be sent to Vietnam.
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He wanted that analyzed, he wanted us to determine
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how the troops could be gathered and sent,
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what the social, political, economic impact might be on the United States.
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The troop request came at a time when Johnson was concerned about Khesanh,
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where the Marine garrison was still besieged.
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Johnson believed the North Vietnamese still planned a major assault against Khesanh.
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The Marines, surrounded and outnumbered, were enduring deadly artillery barrages
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as they waited for the North Vietnamese to storm the base.
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Now to meet the needs of these fighting men, we shall do whatever is required.
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Make no mistake about it.
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I don't want a man in here to go back home thinking otherwise.
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We are going to win!
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Johnson did meet the needs of his men at Khesanh.
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He unleashed the Air Force against the North Vietnamese encircling the base
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in one of the most intensive bombing campaigns in history.
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By early March,
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assured that Khesanh was safe and the Tet offensive repelled,
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Johnson quietly shelved the request for 206,000 troops.
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But the troop request had deeply influenced his new secretary of defense.
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I know for three full days I spent down in the tank
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with the Joint Chiefs of Staff,
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where you sit with all of the communications devices that go all over the world.
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We had long talks. How long would it take? They didn't know.
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How many more troops would it take? They didn't know.
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Would 206,000 answer the demand? They didn't know.
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Might there be more? Yes, there might be more.
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So, when it was all over, I said, "What is the plan to win the war in Vietnam?"
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Well, the only plan is that ultimately the attrition will
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wear down the North Vietnamese and they will have had enough.
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Is there any indication that we've reached that point? No, there isn't.
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As a result of that kind of interview, and that kind of information,
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before the final examination was over and we submitted our reports
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to President Johnson, I had turned against the war.
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Well, we don't plan to surrender either, and we don't plan to pull out either,
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and we don't plan to let people influence us,and pressure
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and force us to divide our nation in a time of national peril.
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The hour is here!
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I then decided that what I must do would be to get all of the strength
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that I could, because the mere fact that
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I had reached the conclusion was not very significant,
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because the decision really lay with President Johnson.
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Clifford said, "I noticed you this afternoon at the State Department
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and it seems to me you and I are on the same side.
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And I think we should form a partnership.
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You should be the partner in the White House
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and I'll be the partner in the Pentagon.
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You tell me what goes on over there that you hear,
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and I'll tell you what happens over here,
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and together we'll get this country and our president out of this mess."
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Harry was our "Secret Dove," Harry was very close to the President.
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Harry and I were close;
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Harry was close to other members of the White House staff.
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We began to develop a group,
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and I know that after a while the question would be very secretly,
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"Is he with us?" That means, Is he a part of this group
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that is organized and dedicated to changing Lyndon Johnson's mind?
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It was almost like some very similar expression used in the French Revolution,
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"Is he with us?"
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Without his having to say so, getting us out of this mess did not mean
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putting in another two or 300,000 men in order to beat North Vietnam,
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the Vietcong; it meant to begin the process of de-escalation,
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as it was called -- disengagement of the United States. I was exhilarated.
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On March 10, The New York Times revealed
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the Pentagon's request for additional troops.
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The request had been a closely guarded secret.
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The disclosure stunned members of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee,
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then holding hearings on Vietnam.
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Secretary of State Dean Rusk was grilled on live television for two days.
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There is incipient uprising in this country in opposition to this war
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and it's going to get worse.
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This talk about sending over 100,000, 200,000 more troops,
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you're going to create a very serious difficulty in this country
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if you people in the administration go through with that.
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Now, Mr. Secretary, for some years we have been bombing the North.
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As I understand it, this bombing of the North had three purposes:
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one, to hurt North Vietnam. That's been done.
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Secondly, to stop the infiltration of men down across the parallel
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and the Ho Chi Minh trails. Has that been done?
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It has not been stopped completely, Senator.
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We never supposed that it could stop it completely,but we do know
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that it has had some major impact upon the capacity of the other side
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to carry out this infiltration and has cost them very heavily.
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The rate of infiltration in 1965 was about 1,500 a month.
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In 1966 about 4,500 a month. In 1967 between 5,500 and 6,000 a month.
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And in 1968, it's my understanding that in January,
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20,000 men came down from North Vietnam into South Vietnam.
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Is that a correct figure or a correct estimate?
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I would accept those as approximately correct, Sir.
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Then, the third factor -- in addition to hurt, reducing infiltration --
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the third factor was to bring Hanoi to the conference table.
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Are they any closer to the conference table now
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than they were when the bombing began?
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We have seen no evidence that they are prepared to undertake
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serious discussions toward a peaceful settlement of this situation.
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Senators Morse and Mansfield had long opposed the war.
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But after Tet, supporters like Senator Karl Mundt
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of South Dakota began to abandon Johnson.
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As one who has consistently supported the decision of the administration
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to stay on and press on with this war,
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I am totally and sorrowfully disappointed by your answer.
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And I think this is one of the great causes for dissension in this country.
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Now Congress wanted a change -- either victory or withdrawal.
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Congress, also concerned about the cost of the war,
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forced Johnson to trim his domestic programs.
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He could not spend more on a limited war, and he feared an expanded war.
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Johnson's greatest fear, as he once put it,
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was that an American pilot was going to miss his target in Hanoi
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or Haiphong harbor and put a bomb down the smoke stack of
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a Russian freighter with the Russian minister on board
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and that the pilot would be from Johnson City, Texas.
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He was, he was extremely disturbed that we might provoke the Russians,
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or earlier the Chinese, into coming to the aid of Vietnam.
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And that was one of the, that was one of the tremendous dilemmas
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he had throughout the war when a great many Americans
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wanted the United States to go ahead and finish it off.
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Johnson also had to consider the war at home.
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Until then, he had dismissed street demonstrations.
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But 1968 was a presidential election year,
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and out of the growing anti-war sentiment, there emerged a peace candidate,
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thrust into prominence by the shock of the Tet offensive.
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I am a candidate for the nomination of the presidency on the Democratic ticket.
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And I run for that office against an incumbent leader of our party,
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because I believe as I find many people in this country do believe now,
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and have for the last five or six months,
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that we are involved in a very deep crisis of leadership,
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a crisis of direction and a crisis of national purpose.
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The entire history of this war in Vietnam -- no matter what we call it
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has been one of continued error and of misjudgment.
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Senator Eugene McCarthy nearly beat Johnson in the New Hampshire primary,
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and the close vote jolted Johnson.
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At the time, it looked like a vote for peace.
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In fact, it was a vote against Johnson's conduct of the war.
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Many New Hampshire voters felt that he wasn't being tough enough.
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They favored getting out of a war he refused to win.
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Johnson was further rattled when Robert Kennedy joined the presidential race.
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The glamorous Kennedys had always worried him.
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Robert had switched to a peace platform,
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and Johnson smelled defeat in Wisconsin, the next primary.
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The faraway war was taking its toll at home.
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Johnson turned to a group of elder statesmen called the "wise men."
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They had consistently backed his war policies.
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He convened them on March 25.
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They included establishment figures like former Secretary of State Dean Acheson,
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former Ambassador to Vietnam Maxwell Taylor,
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and former National Security Adviser McGeorge Bundy.
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And our recommendation on the whole--not without dissent and disagreement
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was that there should not be an increase in force levels in South Vietnam,
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and that there should be a modification of the policy of bombing North Vietnam.
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Now here was a group saying, Mr. President, stop trying to win the war.
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Start cutting back. Don't send any more men.
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We think you ought to get out. It was a very bitter pill for him.
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I think he had himself decided really,
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that he would not do the ground force reinforcement,
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so it was more our gloominess in a way than our specific recommendations
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that he may have found troubling.
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To meet price increases...
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On the afternoon of March 31, after two months of indecision,
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Johnson rehearsed an address to the nation scheduled for that evening.
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...the estimate of those additional expenditures is,
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so get Clifford in to see what figures...this fiscal year...
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well you're going to have to get him in the next hour so you can mimeograph
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because George is going to want them, in that fiscal year.
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As late as March 28 his aides were still divided on Vietnam policy.
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It was a strong "we will be in there, we will be fighting,
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they will not drive us out, we will save Vietnam" speech.
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There was a meeting in Secretary Rusk's office. Rusk, Clifford,
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Bill Bundy, the assistant secretary for the Far East, Rostow and me.
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Clifford said, "The speech is a disaster."
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I thought the draft was dreadful. I thought that it was harsh.
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I thought that it talked about the continuation of the war.
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It talked about Tet, how Tet could be resolved.
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There was some suggestion about sending some of the men, not the whole 206,000.
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To me, it needed much changing and much amendment.
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The really, the really surprising thing was that Rusk and Rostow
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did not fight Clifford on that, but began to speak as if, all right,
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let's, what do we have to put in line to write a different kind of speech?
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I went back and wrote a different speech -- a very different speech.
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As a quick illustration,
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the first few sentences of that speech in the original draft said,
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"I wish to talk about the war in Vietnam." That was the first sentence.
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By the time the speech was written and rewritten
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-- we worked days on it before it was given -- the first sentence read:
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Good evening, my fellow Americans.
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Tonight I want to speak to you of peace in Vietnam and Southeast Asia.
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And that speech was almost a complete reversal of
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what the speech started out to be.
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Tonight, I have ordered our aircraft and our naval vessels
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to make no attacks on North Vietnam,
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except in the area north of the demilitarized zone
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where the continuing enemy buildup directly threatens allied forward positions
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and where the movement of their troops
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and supplies are clearly related to that threat.
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I had cut off the peroration, the ending of that speech,
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which was a kind of McPherson effort to write Churchillian.
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It had been on every draft of every speech from the beginning.
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Clifford called me just before we met on that Saturday and said,
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"You know that peroration doesn't belong there anymore.
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The speech has changed.You can't make the kind of speech we've now got
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and then end it with the sort of 'we will fight them in the...
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lanes and the villages and the beaches' language that is in that peroration."
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So I just cut it off. I didn't have time to write a new one.
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00:49:32,551 --> 00:49:35,578
Johnson asked me, "Where was it? I liked that."
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And I said, "Well, I didn't like it, it doesn't really fit with the speech.
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I'll go upstairs and write a new one.
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And I'll make it short because the speech is already a very long one."
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He said, "You don't need to worry about time.
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I may have a little ending of my own."
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And he walked out of the room leaving me and Clifford.
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00:49:55,028 --> 00:49:57,274
I turned around to Clifford and said,
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"Good Lord,is he going to say 'sayonara', is he going to quit?"
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And Clifford looked at me as if I were out of my mind.
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We'd all assumed of course that he would run.
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He loved the job. He reveled in it.
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00:50:12,066 --> 00:50:14,956
About five in the afternoon I got back to my office
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and Johnson called me and asked me what I thought about the speech
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that he was about to deliver in two or three hours.
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And I said I thought it was pretty good -- I was really proud and glad
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that we had turned, changed the speech.
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00:50:30,354 --> 00:50:34,503
He said, "I've got an ending." I said, "I've heard that."
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He said, "Do you know what's in it?" I said, "I think so."
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He said, "What do you think about it?"
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00:50:40,789 --> 00:50:44,761
And I said, "I'm very sorry, Mr. President."
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And he said, "Okay. So long pardner."
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With America's sons in the fields far away,
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with America's future under challenge right here at home,
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00:51:02,711 --> 00:51:09,924
with our hopes and the world's hopes for peace in the balance every day,
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I do not believe that I should devote an hour or a day of my time
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to any personal partisan causes or to any duties
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00:51:22,807 --> 00:51:33,222
other than the awesome duties of this office--the presidency of your country.
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00:51:33,257 --> 00:51:41,707
Accordingly, I shall not seek, and I will not accept,
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00:51:41,742 --> 00:51:46,647
the nomination of my party for another term as your president.
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00:51:48,655 --> 00:51:53,495
As promptly as possible after he spoke, I had a press conference
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and announced formally that the 206,000 troops were not to be sent.
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00:52:00,201 --> 00:52:06,491
This is part and parcel, I believe, of the President's decision to place a limitation
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at this time upon our troop level at a point not exceeding 550,000.
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00:52:13,309 --> 00:52:18,756
It seemed appropriate that it should be said -- if that's what he meant
578
00:52:18,791 --> 00:52:21,467
and I assumed that that was what he meant
579
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from the tone of his speech on March the 31.
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00:52:24,457 --> 00:52:27,548
There were still those who very much wanted to
581
00:52:27,583 --> 00:52:33,011
the military still thought the matter was hanging fire. That ended it.
582
00:52:33,046 --> 00:52:35,177
After that statement was made publicly,
583
00:52:35,212 --> 00:52:38,887
there was no further comment about the 206,000 troops.
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00:52:44,570 --> 00:52:47,192
The Tet offensive had a further impact.
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00:52:47,227 --> 00:52:50,483
In mid-May, North Vietnamese diplomats
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00:52:50,518 --> 00:52:54,027
arrived in Paris to talk for the first time.
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00:52:54,062 --> 00:52:59,127
That week the Vietcong launched a new offensive.
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00:53:05,952 --> 00:53:12,810
Americans fought on, for the same objective: an independent South Vietnam.
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00:53:17,533 --> 00:53:21,125
But after Tet the strategy changed.
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00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:27,411
There were peace talks and the slow withdrawal of American troops.
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The talking and fighting went on for the next five years.
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