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Applause
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♪ In the movie plays of nowadays,
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♪ A romance always must begin in June,
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♪ Tales in magazines have all their scenes,
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♪ Of love laid in a garden 'neath the moon,
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♪ But we don't miss, that kind of bliss,
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♪ What we want is this,
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♪ A cup of coffee, a sandwich and you,
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♪ A cozy corner, A table for two,
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♪ A chance to whisper, to cuddle and coo,
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♪ With lots of huggin ' and kissin' and you,
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♪ We don't need music, lobster or wine,
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♪ Whenever your eyes look into mine,
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♪ The things we long for are simple and new,
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♪ A cup of coffee, a sandwich and you.
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♪ We don't need music, lobster or wine,
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♪ Whenever your eyes look into mine,
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♪ The things we long for are simple and few,
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♪ A cup of coffee, a sandwich and you.
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Evening ladies and gentlemen may I present Mr. Bertram Ross
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Good evening ladies and gentlemen may I present Mr. John Wallowitch
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No.
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It was the 10th Anniversary of the Ballroom, the place was mobbed,
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Mayor Koch was there, I told John I wasn't gonna sing. He said you'll sing.
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I couldn't stand up and say no, no I'm not gonna sing.
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John said I want you to say something before you sing
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so they don't think you speak that way all the time.
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So I said that this is a song written by Irving Berlin in 1914
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and it is a a song that my father did not sing to me.
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Old man Rosenthal lay sick in bed,
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Soon the Doctor came around and said,
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There no use crying this man is dying he can't live very long,
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Send my son here to my side they heard the old man say,
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I've got something to tell him before I pass away,
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Soon his son was sitting by his bed ohhh what's the matter papa dear he said,
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The old man said my son before my days are done, I want to you to know,
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Cohen owes me $97 and it's up to you to see that Cohen pays
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When I finished it and I decided to go out through the audience I cannot tell you
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how many people grabbed me and said do you do Bar Mitzvahs? Do you do weddings?
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And I said, do you do lawyers conventions? I said, I guess I could do anything
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I didn't know what they were talking about.
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So that was the beginning.
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Gregg Dawson called John and said, why don't you two put an act together.
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So I came home from school one afternoon
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and John said Ray Dawson says that we should put an act together,
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we open next Tuesday. I said open what?
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He said we are getting an engagement with the Ballroom, opens Tuesday.
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I said what are we gonna do? He said well we have to work now and put some songs together.
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What we did to prepare for this particular occasion was to go through over
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12,500 pieces of sheet music, didn't we Bert?
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Yes
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And we selected our 400 favorites
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So lock the doors cause you're gonna be here till next week.
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Yeah you're gonna love it.
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Now some of the titles we are not doing, you may be very curious, some of the titles
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No Man with Endurance Like the Man Who Sells Insurance
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That's one of the titles we're not doing, very long isn't it, that song?
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Here Comes That Memory I'll Hit it With a Stick
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If I Thought I Could Live Without You, I'd Die
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If Your Phone's Not Ringing, It's Me Calling
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You have to think about that one too. How about If It Takes Two Hours to Make Philadelphia,
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How Long Will It Take to Make You?
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Joan of Arkansas, and the other was Swing Low Sweet Harriet
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Our friend Gerald Marks gave us a song title, how about this song title.
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I Wish I Had Died At the Alter
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I like it. Do you know it?
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I don't think they believe it, I don't think people believe this. Anyway Gerald Marks.
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He wrote this on his honeymoon.
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His wife told him, you're very clever why don't you write a Hillbilly song, called country music
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So he did, they were on a boat going to Nova Scotia.
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She wouldn't speak to him for 4 days.
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She wouldn't speak to him for 4 days on their honeymoon so you can imagine
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there was not much consummation occurring.
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Calm her down
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Anyway here it is, here is the song
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I only made one mistake in my life,
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That was the day I said please be my wife,
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The moment after proposed,
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I knew I should have kept my big mouth closed,
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But like a fool I made you yes,
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And got myself into this awful mess, this awful mess,
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I wish I had died at the alter on the day I married you,
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On the day I married you.
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These were clubs that people all over the country had read about in the New Yorker
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and were perceived as the place to go if you wanted to get a real taste of sophisticated New Yorkers did.
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And to sit in one of these little rooms with about 4o or 5o other people and feel a connection with those people
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and with a person singing songs on stage who really does to use the old cliche
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"make you feel as if they are directing it all right to you" that's a very restorative experience
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and uh I have experienced that repeatedly with John Wallowitch and with Bertram Ross.
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So the critic John Wilson gave us a great review but was intrigued
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and made an appointment with us to take us to dinner and interview us
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which he did and he said well if you have known each other for so long,
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how come you never did this before? I said well I was busy going on,
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dancing worldwide tours and whatnot so it just never came about.
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Of course he had his career outside of Graham as well, as a terrific dancer,
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but for me he is associated with Martha Graham's,
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as Martha Graham's partner for 25 years,
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so that was from the time I was born which was in the 50's through the 70's when I was in school.
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I got a hold of this friend who knew dancers at the Graham Studio,
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who knew Martha's secretary, said call him up and make an appointment
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and go down and investigate classes so you can study.
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Well I would pick up the phone and dial the number and hang up
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I could not I did not have the, I couldn't believe it. I didn't have the nerve to make, to finish the contact.
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Finally I did I went down made and appointment and I had this long meeting with Eric and I took classes,
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I took, and they were looking for a dancer for the company but I didn't know that. So I got raced through.
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Bertram this, Bertram that, Bert that's very good, Bertram do this, Bertram do that, Bertram.
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Someone said, do you know somebody here, why are they doing that? I had no idea.
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The next thing I knew I was pushed into the intermediate class every Wednesday night there
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was a thing called coaching class so I took that too. So I was taking three classes in a row.
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Eric asked me to come in and help him once, do something, move some clothing racks through the streets.
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I said I would do it and I came to school and he planned otherwise. He said, I won't do it today,
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I'll do it some other time could you come back and do it. But Martha was sitting there, reading, looking very severe, serious
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and I said yes I could come back some other time, just let me know when you needed me.
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She said, Bertram, I said yes, she said, I think you can be a dancer.
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Well I almost died. I remember running all the way home and her face lit up when she said it.
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As Martha said she saw all her men in Bertram Ross, whether the role was created for him or not.
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So he became her proto-type.
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I used to be like Martha's safety gap or something,
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she'd send everybody home if we had a lot, she's save it and say,
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I'll work with Bert over the weekend, you all can have a day or weekend off,
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do what you want and she felt secure.
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And he was phenomenally important in the Graham institution
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and you know he could not only help Martha with the movement choreographically
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but help her remember her own steps, if that isn't about trust I don't know what is.
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I think the most impressive thing for me was that in Clytemnestra Bertram comes on as
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Agamemnon with grey hair plays that role magnificently dashes back stage at intermission,
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washes the grey out of his hair comes back on at Oedipus in the same production,
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and only Bertram Ross could do that and make them both characters totally believable.
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I think that Bertram also had a great influence on Martha in that piece that she didn't believe in it
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and Bertram kept saying it is one of the best you've done Martha, stay with it, keep with it, keep with it,
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and it turned out to be the greatest dance theatre piece of the century.
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The way Martha had choreographed it,
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it was like very rich tapestry and like spectacle, then less spectacle, less spectacle,
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until finally it dealt with 4 people. The composer called it, the family deadly portrait,
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in which the whole family goes against the mother and finally do kill her.
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My mother said, I have never seen such hatred in my life, and then finally it came out that, she said,
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all I could see was the two of us. She projected herself onto that stage and that's what our life had been.
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So I thought that was wonderful that she got caught up in that.
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♪ If You Don't Love Me, I think I'll kill myself, If you don't love me,
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♪ Maybe I'll kill you,
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I'm walking beside you, isn't this fun now I'm stalking behind you, here's my gun
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♪ I want my way love, You know I'm spoiled a bit, You must obey love, Or I'll throw a hissy fit,
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♪ Always remember though your still my thrill, If I can't have you, Nobody will.
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See that's what you call important music.
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So I made my debut, I had worked some years with Ethel Barrymore Colt,
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Ethel Barrymore's daughter, we toured. She was gonna go for the state department in Europe.
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I got great reviews, so what happened was when the state department offered me to go to Europe too.
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I could play my own concerts but then I had to play for her too, no skin off my back. Sixteen cities in Europe.
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Right at the time of the Cuban Missile Crisis. That was scary because I was sitting in the Hotel Austioissersure
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off in South Borg when, we thought the missiles were gonna drop on NY, we thought, scary.
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I always think if John as a New Yorker, through and through.
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His songs are about New York, his songs are about people in New York, things that happen in New York.
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As a composer even when he writes some funny songs, some pattern songs he always has a very strong melodic touch to it.
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And very amazing because many times you're playing on the lyrics, you're playing on the funny part of the song
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and you don't pay too much attention to the music.But the music is always important with his songs, the way he structures them.
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Do you have a favorite Wallowitch song?
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There Used to Be is one of them.
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There Used to Be?
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I like that. I like all of them.
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I like There Used to Be.
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♪ There Used to Be words, There used to be music, There used to be music,
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♪ There used to be melody, Melody, There used to be song, There used to be song,
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♪ There used to be Moonlight, Remember that old thing, Stars up above, Remember those little things,
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♪ There used to be romance, Remember that big thing, There used to be love, There used to be friends,
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♪ There used to be family, But everything ends, You know that's not true, you know that's not true,
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♪ With love in our hearts we'll keep it all going, Cause baby there's me,
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♪ Baby there's me, and baby there's you, Baby there's you,
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♪ Cause baby there's me and you.
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I met him as a songwriter when I was a publishing early in the 60's.
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And I was very attracted to his songs, though even at the time music was changing quite a lot,
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in the rock and the folk and everything he was a sort of a a coming from another world.
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Before lessons I was maybe 6 or 7 years old, 5 maybe even.
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I was playing,
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♪
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by ear, a song called the Isle of Capri. I was so thrilled and I called my mother, we didn't have a piano.
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My grandmother had a piano.
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We didn't have a piano, so I kept begging my mother to come hear me play the piano,
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so finally she came over and I was all ready to play this, and
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I started playing, and she started talking to my grandmother
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in Lithuanian and talked and never heard a note that I played.
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I was absolutely destroyed.
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But somehow I am laughing, I'm trying to laugh, I'm laughing
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because if I go with the emotion that was there,
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I won't talk another word.
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Because it was so devastating.
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Although she didn't, I don't think she meant that.
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Somebody, other people have said, when I tell them the story they say, oh yes she did, what kind of mother is that.
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But I also understand the kind of situation they were in.
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A little store, which my grandmother had had before.
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I mean we are talking about a little store.
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It had one gas heater, the house we had, lived in, had a coal stove.
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one gas heater in the store period. End of story.
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I wouldn't mind singing one more song, The Runaway, the one that you wrote when you were how old?
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Thirteen.
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Thirteen.
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My big hit.
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When you were 13 I think it is an incredible song for 30
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That's only 14 years ago, when I was 13.
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Do you remember it?
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Yeah.
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♪ Runaway as far as your heart will go. Runaway pretend that it isn't so,
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♪ Runaway don't let the heartache set in. Runaway don't let the teardrops begin,
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♪ Tell yourself tomorrows another day. Tell yourself your love is along the way,
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♪ Runaway that's all my poor heart can say. I'll runaway far away from you.
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Thirteen, God, who were you running from at 13?
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Oh, I was in love all the time, when I was a teenager, sure.
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Thirteen I mean to write that song.
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Adele Oronio
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How do you know that when you are 13? Who?
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Adele Oronio.
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Is that a woman or a man?
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A woman of course you're sick.
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I thought you were always supposed to know from the beginning when you are gay.
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Well, when did you find out you were gay?
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Bertram's in this movie or whatever it is.
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When did you find out that you were gay?
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I haven't come out yet. I don't know.
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You will.
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I never asked about that stuff before.
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Yes you did.
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But Runaway. Runaway's good.
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So Runaway was about Adele.
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Not really, it was about
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That's pretty articulate for a 13 year old
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It was about, I think the lyric needed improvement myself.
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Oh I don't think so, I think it was a perfect song.
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I remember when I first wrote it I went up like that, which is wrong.
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Yeah.
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Well maybe it's not.
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Tell yourself tomorrows another day
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How did you know to tell yourself that at 13? I never knew that.
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It might have been even a little younger then 13.
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Tell yourself your love is along the way, when your 13.
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Since you couldn't tell anybody else who was gonna give you advice.
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Yeah but it is about convincing yourself that you are gonna be OK.
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I guess that is what I did but I just didn't know how to write a song about it.
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I studied piano I guess since I was five. I never wanted to be concert pianist.
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My mother was trained to be a concert pianist.
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I never did hear the end of that,
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because she said she had to give up her career to take care of me.
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My mother was very competitive. She had very little patience with me.
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So that I pretended I was reading music but had already set it to memory,
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because if I ever made a mistake in front of her sometimes she would lose her temper
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and slap me and claw me and scratch me.
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I used to think certain people weren't cut out to be mothers,
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she was one of them I felt.
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But as far as my love of music was, she took me to the Philharmonic,
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she also belonged to many groups for the Brooklyn Academy of Music.
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She did believe, I must say I give her credit for that,
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that is was a mother's duty to watch and to give the if the child showed any talent in any field
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to be given the opportunity to express it and develop in it
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I can remember as a small child and saying I know why I draw,
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I said that's the one thing you don't know anything about, that's completely mine.
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So right away she got in touch with Pratt Institute, my mother enlisted me in a drawing class.
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I was saying earlier, I used to go over to my grandmothers house and I would play, whatever I would play,
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It Looks Like Rain in Cherry Blossom Lane, that big hit.
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My grandmother said, she was a woman of few words,
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she said, "do dat".
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In other words, with your life, she was saying do that, so I did have encouragement.
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I had taken lessons from the lady the Lithuanian piano teacher, her name was Francis O'Savage,
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and I thought she was very glamorous. She used to drive, ride around in a 1937 Ford V-8 or
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Ford is that V-8 or a V-8 is a juice or something. Anyway she would do that and she was very tall,
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I thought she was beautiful but actually in a way wasn't I guess, but she was my 1st piano teacher.
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And I never studied until I was 11 which is late. I studied with her for some years,
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it was so painful for me to learn to read music
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I used to sit there and literally cry. But I was determined. I was determined.
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I knew that that was going to be my salvation, I guess I thought that even then.
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♪ Tiny World of Mine, Persian rug and old piano,
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♪ There's a faded photograph up there upon the wall,
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♪ Write a song a day, Hear the notes and paint the pictures,
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♪ Put your life on paper get it down and tell it all,
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♪ Laughter in the Spring, Heartbreak in the fall,
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♪ Speeding past the broken pieces, Slowing to a crawl,
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♪ Don't forget a thing, Count your loves, Count your losses,
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♪ Everything's OK if you can say today is fine, Sure you gotta try,
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♪ Sure your gonna cry, But for the price I've paid,
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♪ I'd never trade this tiny world of mine
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♪ Write a song a day, Hear the notes, Paint the pictures,
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♪ Put your life on paper, Get it down and tell it all,
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♪ Laughter in the Spring, Heartbreak in the fall,
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♪ Speeding past the broken pieces, Slowing to a crawl,
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♪ Don't forget a thing, Count your loves, Count your losses,
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♪ Everything's OK if you can say today is fine, Sure you gotta try,
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♪ Sure your gonna cry, but for the price I paid I'd never trade this tiny world of mine.
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Up until that time I didn't know quite what I wanted to do,
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I was gonna teach French, I thought I would teach French in High School.
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Or I was gonna go into the decorating business because all my aptitude tests in school,
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nothing mentioned music. It mentioned everything else, painting, English, it mentioned languages,
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design, interior design, decorating things like that, all kinds of stuff like that. No music.
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But the Army, I would fight in the USO for the piano, fight, I would push people away. I became violent.
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I play better than you, get off.
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I went to Oberlin to find myself because I was interested in painting
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I was interested in theatre, the one thing I would never admit to was dancing.
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A notice came through for the war effort they were trying to recruit artists to come to Washington,
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I had no idea what that would mean. But I thought being patriotic and I went to Washington.
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Well I had a very sensitive interviewer, he said, what do you want to do?
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I said I'd like to offer my knowledge, my painting knowledge for camouflage.
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He said on no no no, they don't do anything in camouflage.
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There is no designing, you have a certain amount of things, it is mainly ditch digging
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and putting up tents and flat things with those different designs on. He says that is not what you want.
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So I went into, oh I got into map reproduction, and I took the course and
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I never worked so hard in my life. Finally I got overseas.
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I was in the Army for 18 months, in the infantry;
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you know the infantry was never the same since I've been in it. I'll tell you.
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Going into the Army was a blessing in a curious way, it got me out of South Philly for once
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and I met all these other people, and all kinds I mean all kinds of people.
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I mean some insane guy named Rick and I forget his last name, who had just come back from the,
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wearing wedgie shoes, and bleached blonde hair and plucked eyebrows.
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This is a mast---- sergeant right. He said yes I did everybody in Patton's Army,
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I mean you know what are we talking about, weird, I met everybody and I was really thrown into this, into this melange.
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That experience was so enormous that I came back from this other whole big world out there to little South Philly,
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and my mom and dad who had worked so hard all their lives, this little store.
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God, I can't even tell you how much I love those people.
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But how much I am sure I hurt them because children do, you grow up and you have to leave
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and that hurts them, and you fight too. There was a lot of stuff going on.
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But they - salt of the earth, great.
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The architecture was so fanciful in these German cities and little towns,
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they would have these sweet little houses that looked like gingerbread houses and roses,
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I am just trying to put down what it looks like, not what it feels like.
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I did a WAAC review
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and I choreographed it and of course people said, oh you are very talented
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you should continue your dancing when you get out of the Army. I finished I wouldn't discuss it.
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And I wrote when I was in the Army to my sister-in-law June, and I said when I get back I'm gonna become a dancer.
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Absolutely no memory of that when I came home. Forgot that I ever wrote that and it didn't come up until analysis.
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I found out that that is what I wanted but I was really blocked on it. I went back to the Art Students League
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and began studying painting again and the Graham company opened in NY and I stood online to get tickets
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and I get to the box office and they only had $3 that was very expensive for Broadway, $3.60
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and I get there the only seats they had left I have no right to spend that money, why I'll never know,
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I started tormenting myself and finally I would go. Later in analysis I learned that that was important to me,
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that was like food, so you give up something else, you don't give up what you really love doing.
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When I came back from the Army, I said I wanted to try out for Olga Samarov.
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Olga Samarov was the divorced wife of Leopold Stokowski and she taught piano.
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Olga Samarov was actually born in Oklahoma and her real name was Elsie Hickenlooper.
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Now she invented herself, she invented herself and people would take these
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Russian names because nobody would take an American pianist seriously.
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You are not gonna go hear a concert of Chopin by Elsie Hickenlooper.
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Nobody is gonna walk across the street.
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Hello my name is Elsie Hickenlooper, but you hear
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Hello my name is Olga Samorov, it's a whole different thing isn't it.
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I tried out a Julliard the next year cause I had gained my courage and
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I had studied with, well I had, my technique was really very good, I had a natural technique,
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which had evolved naturally, I mean from my body, I didn't have any kinks, any kinks in my technique anything,
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there was nothing I wouldn't be afraid of anything. The curious thing is that Julliard knocked it out of me.
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I studied with Lonny Epstein and secured my scholarship, secured a scholarship to Julliard,which I held for the next 7 years.
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I studied with her for 4 years and I thought that she had totally destroyed me by that time.
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So I was now suicidal after five years at Julliard all over again.
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I thought I would then switch teachers again because I didn't know any better.
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I had heard from Vincent Jones back at Temple University about a woman named Abby Whiteside in New York City.
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But I thought well she's not main stream and she's not Julliard,
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Julliard is a big name, that's what attracts you, you know.
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They offered me a position at Julliard to be a teacher, like a fellowship thing,
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I was no more prepared to be a teacher, what would I teach?
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I was in pain, physical pain now which when I was a kid I never had any of that, before I came to the big school.
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Besides aging rapidly, my hair falling out in every single drain in New York,
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clogging the drains of New York City. And being depressed as hell.
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Nothing, they weren't teaching me anything,
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they were not teaching me how to play the piano.So I finally after 8 years, gave up the ghost and rather than commit suicide
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I searched out Abby Whiteside the lady Abby Whiteside.
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She changed my life in 5 lessons, after all those years, got me back.
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I still have to everyday have to I think we all do in whatever our crafts are, you have to.
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There were a lot of bad habits at one time that you were into. You have to be aware, you have to conscious,
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I have to be conscious that I am, that every, that my gesture, that my original gesture
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my approach to the piano is pelvic, it's got to be from that place.
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You cannot, it is not gonna come from here or from here or from the feet or whatever.
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It's got to be from your center. Which is where all art comes from. I mean that is what it's about.
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So my approach to piano, I don't always think of it but, it has to come, all the big muscles in the back take it not the little babies.
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I have to think of it constantly still.
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I used to sit around with the company and listen to the company talk
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and hear stories about that Martha would never say to somebody you're out and fire them.
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What she would do is call somebody else in to learn your part at night with somebody else teaching you
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and then you would come to rehearsal and dance behind this person and they would be rehearsing
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and suddenly realize that there was a person behind them doing the same part
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and they would get so nervous they would quit and then Martha didn't have to face firing them.
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Martha asked me one night if I wanted to go into the company.
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She said, now Dale Senet is in analysis and his analyst feels they are very close to getting someplace with him
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and this is not the time for him to go off on tour, so would you fill in for him.I said, being very shy, she must have just loved that.
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I said, ummhumm, that would be nice. She said you don't have to join the company if you don't want to.
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I said oh no that would be very nice. I can't imagine I said that but it was that scene,
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and she said I could think about it because Dale had to find a replacement so he could continue his analysis.
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So I came in and she said, Bob Cohan will teach you the part and I used to meet him at night
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and we would go upstairs and study and he'd show me the dance and rehearse.
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Finally Martha said I think you are ready now to come into rehearsal, and I was mocking the dance in the corner behind Dale,
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just like they said she did. But I never thought since she made a such a convincing story
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and she said Bertram would you take Dale's part now and let Dale stand out and you go into this scene.
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So I did it and she said that was fine, this that and the other thing. Then I never saw him again
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and I went off on tour and then I was performing at Connecticut College, they have the summer course there.
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Martha was up there teaching and I shared a room with Dale Senet. Dale and I sat up chatting
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and reminiscing and he finally said, I was so hurt, he said,
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I had not a clue that Martha was displeased with my performing, my dancing.
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She never let on, then you came in and began doing. I said but you had analysis, he said, I never went in to analysis.
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He just called me about a month ago. He said I read in a magazine or something where I mentioned that story about,
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he said you are the only one who ever told the truth about that.
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♪
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But I was a great admirer of the Martha Graham Company and of course I,
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Bertram Ross was one of the people. But I thought they were all so great, so tremendous.
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My friend, Neal Currer, we went backstage to meet Martha and Neal said,ooooh he said, she is weird,
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she is a weird woman. She was trying to be very folksy. She had this big piece of Noguchi sculpture
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which was from the Oedipus thing Night Journey and Bertram had played Oedipus we had just seen the performance that night.
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I was a great admirer of Bertram Ross, he's like a God way up there, completely unapproachable, you never saw him anywhere.
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Martha but Martha was the hostess after these concerts and she was saying,
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Oh yes, this Noguchi it reminds me of a piece of Swiss cheese, she was being adorable, a piece of granite,
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you know very folksy, I'll give her folksy.
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Anyway the curious thing was that I was a fan, I wasn't vociferous,
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I didn't pursue it constantly because I was music was my interest and I was playing a lot of clubs and stuff like that.
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Doors were opening for me, I was in analysis, had been in analysis and I made my debut,
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I confronted my Minotaur you know. Is that what you confront, I think that is what you confront is a Minotaur.
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I went to a record store and there was this strange record cover, first of all this was an eye catcher, this is John Wallowitch
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I was intrigued with that so I bought it then there was another one which was called this is the other side of John Wallowitch.
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So I made an album and Andy Warhol had done the covers you know for these to two albums,
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first two piano albums and Bert Ross had picked them up and then he played them and he liked them
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So I called my friend Mary Hinkson who was also back from the tour, soaking in a tub for her muscles,
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and I said did you ever hear of John Wallowitch, she said no, who is he,
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I said he is a pianist I just bought these records and I'll play you one,
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So I put it on and she said play me another one,
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another song and she said they are like tone poems.
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Bert tells a story about how he played them for Mary Hinkson over the phone
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and they were like tone poems, you see I've heard these stories you know.
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And then the 3rd person I asked was my cousins' wife, my cousin Ross's wife if she knew.
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00:44:14,852 --> 00:44:21,191
He talked to Maxine Hann and she said I've been trying to get you two together for yearsor something to that effect, and Maxine I adored.
426
00:44:21,191 --> 00:44:27,731
Do you know him, have you heard, she said, yes I had dinner with him last night, would you like to meet him and I said yes.
427
00:44:28,365 --> 00:44:36,940
He came to the Barbara Harris the Golden Apple Award something that Q magazine did.
428
00:44:36,940 --> 00:44:41,512
They got me a very good seat and during intermission I was introduced to him.
429
00:44:41,512 --> 00:44:45,816
I met Bertram and I said to Bertram,
430
00:44:49,753 --> 00:44:53,824
something to the effect, what are you doing these days and he said,
431
00:44:53,857 --> 00:45:01,732
well I'm working with Martha, oh Martha Ray I thought, you're working with Martha Ray,
432
00:45:01,732 --> 00:45:06,770
I thought you know they don't make much money with the Graham company, so he probably goes out to Vegas and does the,
433
00:45:08,205 --> 00:45:16,017
here this glorious epic figure working with Martha Ray but who knew.
434
00:45:16,017 --> 00:45:21,780
So he was oh no, Martha Graham, I know you're with Martha Graham, that I know, my God I've been,
435
00:45:23,412 --> 00:45:27,725
And he had bought these albums of mine he was crazy about the albums it was interesting.
436
00:45:27,725 --> 00:45:32,963
We went to Ross and Maxine's that night and we were talking and we left there and we said
437
00:45:32,963 --> 00:45:40,270
we would call each other and I didn't think anything of it. I thought nothing of it, and Tony and I were writing all these songs
438
00:45:40,270 --> 00:45:46,577
and all these songs about yearning for romance and I had given up on the whole thing, it was all over a thing of the past.
439
00:45:46,577 --> 00:45:53,617
And I was content, I thought well I now gonna get a pot belly, I 'm gonna get up in the morning I'll teach some piano lessons
440
00:45:53,617 --> 00:46:00,457
and then I'll play my Bach, I'll get the coffee going play a little Bach and become portly and venerable.
441
00:46:00,457 --> 00:46:11,201
I felt very apathetic to Bertram. Because I felt the vast loneliness, we were talking about being abused by people.
442
00:46:11,201 --> 00:46:16,640
And I guess I called him, I suppose I better call him I'm feeling guilty I better call him.
443
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:24,181
And that was I can't believe it over 30 years ago.
444
00:46:24,181 --> 00:46:34,224
And we were a, very happy with each other and decided to move in together and
445
00:46:34,224 --> 00:46:39,596
he went away to London and that's when this song was written, Tony and I were working on
446
00:46:40,330 --> 00:46:46,036
♪ Thank the Lord I'm here at last, Now I've found London town,
447
00:46:46,170 --> 00:46:50,374
♪ Never thought I'd live to see the city on the Thames,
448
00:46:50,374 --> 00:46:56,046
Where's that sky of gray,
449
00:46:56,046 --> 00:47:05,055
♪ Where's that foggy day, The Gershwin's had their say but now I'm here to tell you,
450
00:47:05,055 --> 00:47:18,168
♪ My love went to London, and left me behind, I'm going to London and I'll find him,
451
00:47:20,037 --> 00:47:34,184
♪ Piccadilly Circus may be where I'll meet him, Oh I'll rush right up to him, lovingly I'll greet him.
452
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:38,422
So.
453
00:47:40,624 --> 00:47:47,464
I had to leave shortly after we met, I don't know how shortly, to go to London to perform
454
00:47:54,171 --> 00:47:58,108
and John wrote a song while I was gone called My Love Went to London.
455
00:47:58,775 --> 00:48:05,682
I had never had a song written for me so that was an experience.
456
00:48:06,683 --> 00:48:15,125
Tony Bennett just recorded it, how many years later? About 30 years later it was this new song.
457
00:48:16,793 --> 00:48:27,905
♪ They all said we'd never would be happy, They laughed at us and how, But ho ho ho who's got the last laugh now,
458
00:48:28,272 --> 00:48:39,249
♪ Nothing's impossible I have found but when my chin is on the ground, I pick myself up dust myself off start all over again,
459
00:48:39,283 --> 00:48:50,427
♪ I can see the sun on high though we're caught in the storm, I can see where you and I could be cozy and warm,
460
00:48:50,427 --> 00:49:00,370
♪ Let the rain pitter patter cause it really doesn't matter when the skies are grey, Long as I can be with you it's a lovely day,
461
00:49:00,370 --> 00:49:06,510
♪ I'm putting all my eggs in one basket I'm betting everything I've got on you,
462
00:49:06,510 --> 00:49:15,886
♪ You say tomatoes and I say tomatoes you say potatoes and I say potatoes, tomatoes tomatoes potatoes potatoes
463
00:49:15,886 --> 00:49:22,292
♪ let's call the whole thing off let's call the whole thing off
464
00:49:28,532 --> 00:49:36,006
♪ The glamour, the romance, the service, No need to be nervous Oprah darling at all,
465
00:49:36,006 --> 00:49:44,414
♪ Cause we're having a fabulous ball, There's no train can compare to the show train,
466
00:49:44,915 --> 00:49:57,728
♪ This gently a glow train, This dream that's come true, The train is a dream made just for you.
467
00:49:59,863 --> 00:50:03,166
This is a career, I'll tell you I've done a million things, I've played a million places
468
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:11,808
and loved almost every minute of it and shall continue to do so.
469
00:50:12,409 --> 00:50:20,183
Martha used to say and say it a lot in class, I love Bertram but I'm not in love with Bertram, something like that
470
00:50:20,183 --> 00:50:28,091
even if I hated him we have to get through something on stage I mean you can't allow that to stand in the way
471
00:50:28,091 --> 00:50:40,704
you have to overcome that. She used to say things to me like, when you learn to hate me, I said why should I hate you?
472
00:50:40,737 --> 00:50:52,516
She said you'll see. I know when the big blow-up came and I finally left, I forget who was interviewing me,
473
00:50:52,516 --> 00:51:02,059
somebody from either Time magazine, they said you sound like a jilted lover. I said well I guess it was like that.
474
00:51:02,059 --> 00:51:10,567
I think it is so poignant the way he ends his own chapter in my book, saying you must know this is the saddest day of my life
475
00:51:10,567 --> 00:51:12,836
when he resigned from Graham in '73.
476
00:51:12,836 --> 00:51:19,109
When Bertram resigned from Martha Graham horrible moment, horrible, horrible,
477
00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:25,115
painful and we have not recouped from it still because it is so painful.
478
00:51:25,115 --> 00:51:31,855
But it was like those moments if you're in analysis but it's like you kick in something you know
479
00:51:31,855 --> 00:51:37,627
that something is a kind a revelation and it's right you just feel
480
00:51:37,627 --> 00:51:44,901
I remember when you decided to do it, you knew it was right but it was like cutting off your leg
481
00:51:44,901 --> 00:51:48,480
There are so many joyous things that people have idealism,
482
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,899
you know I just thought Bertram should have stayed but that was my thing,
483
00:51:52,109 --> 00:51:58,582
I didn't tell him that at the time because I couldn't do it, he was too caught up with it, but what am I doing,
484
00:51:58,582 --> 00:52:00,750
I'm sitting her crinkling
485
00:52:00,884 --> 00:52:09,559
The practical thing is to have stayed, the practical thing was to have stayed but Bert couldn't stay against his
486
00:52:09,559 --> 00:52:11,728
Principals
487
00:52:13,730 --> 00:52:20,170
I didn't think he would say yes and I said Bertram would you like to come and teach at my studio and he said yes and he's been here ever since.
488
00:52:20,170 --> 00:52:30,947
Alright and go, one two three, two two three, three two three four, the accent and one and two
489
00:52:30,947 --> 00:52:45,795
and three four balance, shift through the waist, three four reach five six rotate seven and then around eight
490
00:52:45,795 --> 00:52:49,599
and then drag one, two and shift three
491
00:52:50,901 --> 00:52:57,207
Bertram wondered because he was a choreographer whether he had made a mistake by spending all that time
492
00:52:57,207 --> 00:53:04,047
with Martha Graham and I feel that he was destined to do that. That her works would not have been what they were
493
00:53:04,047 --> 00:53:09,419
if Bertram hadn't been there at her right hand always making, and he still is a choreographer
494
00:53:09,419 --> 00:53:14,191
and he's done a wonderful piece for my company called Nature Dancing which again is very very witty
495
00:53:14,191 --> 00:53:19,629
and I intend to revive it, but he is a choreographer and a painter and a musician
496
00:53:19,629 --> 00:53:24,601
and a writer you name it he is a Renaissance man.
497
00:53:24,601 --> 00:53:31,675
I think we are ready, it is actually a great honor and it's a great pleasure
498
00:53:31,675 --> 00:53:39,683
cause you know that for two years you have been hearing about the famous man, and so it gives me great pleasure
499
00:53:39,749 --> 00:53:42,686
to introduce Mr. Bertram Ross.
500
00:54:02,372 --> 00:54:14,417
Thank you, will you be seated please. One hip three four seesung seesung bella seesung seesung
501
00:54:14,417 --> 00:54:19,055
He is a great artist and someone who represents something that I love very much
502
00:54:19,055 --> 00:54:26,796
the Graham technique in it's finest, in it's most dignified classic beautiful way and it's very important
503
00:54:26,796 --> 00:54:34,271
that he be known to the world of dance because he is so special and so truthful
504
00:54:36,072 --> 00:54:37,540
To the hip.
505
00:54:50,453 --> 00:54:58,228
keep in in progression, right, let the elbow come up, hip hip
506
00:55:00,697 --> 00:55:06,336
and travel as fast as you can low to the ground
507
00:55:09,172 --> 00:55:11,341
Rectangular. Oh oh sorry.
508
00:55:12,375 --> 00:55:19,949
Since we stopped, see there is a thing of letting, like dropping the personality
509
00:55:20,283 --> 00:55:23,987
the performing personality for a moment just to make a point so you
510
00:55:24,888 --> 00:55:35,332
Yes the circle shape is quite renowned, sad to say it can be found in a dirty lowdown,
511
00:55:35,332 --> 00:55:37,467
you know what I mean? Just for that moment.
512
00:55:39,402 --> 00:55:40,403
Try it.
513
00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:41,538
Ok I did it a little bit
514
00:55:41,671 --> 00:55:42,505
But I want to hear it
515
00:55:42,505 --> 00:55:44,507
You want a lot
516
00:55:44,541 --> 00:55:49,245
You were thinking it, I want to hear it, I don't want you to just only think it. I want to hear it a little bit.
517
00:55:49,913 --> 00:55:52,682
A trickle of red
518
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:58,221
No it is not a big AHHH see
519
00:56:00,223 --> 00:56:01,291
Just a little item
520
00:56:01,725 --> 00:56:03,426
A trickle of red
521
00:56:04,461 --> 00:56:06,129
That is stretched of course
522
00:56:06,129 --> 00:56:08,131
That is stretched like the 1st one?
523
00:56:14,371 --> 00:56:16,373
A trickle of
524
00:56:16,639 --> 00:56:18,274
But AH is short
525
00:56:18,541 --> 00:56:29,652
You're alone going nowhere, first you rise then you fall,
526
00:56:31,421 --> 00:56:53,276
but certain dreams come true my life is always new, for it's filled with you after all
527
00:56:58,782 --> 00:56:59,883
I don't mind that
528
00:56:59,883 --> 00:57:00,850
I love that song
529
00:57:00,850 --> 00:57:05,155
I don't mind that, singing great, I love the way you sing darlin' you are singing better than ever
530
00:57:06,089 --> 00:57:24,841
A little closer than we are (if that's possible) Just a closer than we were before
531
00:57:32,382 --> 00:57:37,954
John undoubtedly deserves more stature than he has in a commercial sense
532
00:57:37,954 --> 00:57:48,131
because we don't have any other people writing the way he does in a style that Cole Porter
533
00:57:48,598 --> 00:57:52,368
and Noel Coward and their colleagues from a time past wrote in
534
00:57:54,537 --> 00:58:00,043
It's amazing that I haven't been successful, no no no but I mean,
535
00:58:00,176 --> 00:58:04,514
I should have had a Broadway show years ago, simply because of that but
536
00:58:04,814 --> 00:58:08,284
then I foolishly made my concert debut so they got all confused about me
537
00:58:17,327 --> 00:58:32,375
♪ It takes a life to realize what life is all about and life is all about this moment,
538
00:58:35,178 --> 00:58:41,117
♪ I'm here with you before we're through what secret will we tell,
539
00:58:42,519 --> 00:58:50,960
♪ I learned to know you well this moment,
540
00:58:51,895 --> 00:58:55,098
♪ How soon to soon the hours fly,
541
00:58:55,398 --> 00:59:05,208
♪ I hear the clock go ticking by, I won't pretend that time has been my friend.
542
00:59:08,244 --> 00:59:19,455
♪ I bring my song to sing my song, For you until the end and as I live my days,
543
00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:32,735
♪ I count the wondrous ways, That brought me here to praise this moment,
544
00:59:34,370 --> 00:59:48,585
♪ How soon too soon the hours fly. I see my life go rushing by, I only hope that time will be your friend,
545
00:59:52,488 --> 01:00:03,733
♪ We live a life to give a life with love oh don't you see, So if you'll agree,
546
01:00:04,834 --> 01:00:18,181
♪ Then come along with me, I only guarantee this moment
547
01:00:19,482 --> 01:00:26,155
I find that the songs have a very strong sentimental pull. And when I knew him,
548
01:00:26,422 --> 01:00:33,663
when first I knew him, he was much more bitter about what was not happening to his career as a song writer,
549
01:00:34,030 --> 01:00:39,235
I can understand it, because the music business is a very tough business and it can be very cruel,
550
01:00:39,669 --> 01:00:48,211
especially to someone who is not willing to change, also cannot change really, wants to be what it is.
551
01:00:48,444 --> 01:00:49,646
Did you ever do it like that before?
552
01:00:49,979 --> 01:00:57,487
Never did it like that. You have to, why do you like it that way? It's better than...
553
01:01:01,658 --> 01:01:02,659
♪
554
01:01:18,274 --> 01:01:26,749
With John and Bertram we used to go many years to sing in front of Irving Berlin's house
555
01:01:27,050 --> 01:01:35,491
on Christmas Eve which was really wonderful. That is something, his love for Irving Berlin and for his music,
556
01:01:35,591 --> 01:01:41,531
but it represents more than just a love for one composer. It is the love affair with the whole world of music.
557
01:01:42,231 --> 01:01:50,073
When I was a little boy I made my professional debut playing the piano on the Lithuanian Furniture Company radio hour.
558
01:01:52,742 --> 01:01:58,247
I played an Irving Berlin song, a song called So Help Me. Well that 1st Christmas Eve in 1967
559
01:01:58,281 --> 01:02:05,722
I was walking Bravo the weimaraner around the neighborhood and I stopped in front of Irving Berlin's door at 6 O'clock
560
01:02:05,722 --> 01:02:14,397
and intoned, inwardly White Christmas and I'll be Loving You Always, I started crying because I was just in awe
561
01:02:14,397 --> 01:02:19,635
that I was there and that I had moved into the Beekman Place area, I mean I couldn't believe it from South Philly to there you know.
562
01:02:19,802 --> 01:02:30,379
So I did that for 15 years, not every night, every Christmas Eve. Every Christmas Eve 6 O'clock I would to this dark old house.
563
01:02:30,513 --> 01:02:36,886
In 1982 I met Steve Elmore on the street, wonderful actor singer, and I asked what he was doing in the neighborhood,
564
01:02:36,886 --> 01:02:39,522
he said I was looking at Irving Berlin's house. So I said Steve,
565
01:02:39,522 --> 01:02:44,694
I told him about my experience of this inward private thing, private moment I was doing.
566
01:02:44,894 --> 01:02:51,801
He said gee that's great, can I join you? But eventually I relented, then he said
567
01:02:51,901 --> 01:02:57,006
OK John since you are gonna let me come and sing, can we sing out loud instead of inwardly.
568
01:02:57,507 --> 01:03:04,647
I also said yes and then we asked Bertram Ross and he said yes, and Mary Jane Miracle and Bob Dagny.
569
01:03:04,781 --> 01:03:09,452
We went around that Christmas Eve we sang I'll Be Loving You Always and White Christmas and burst into tears and left.
570
01:03:09,552 --> 01:03:14,724
It comes with the territory. Well word got out and next year there were 17 people that wanted to do this.
571
01:03:14,857 --> 01:03:19,896
So what better excuse as you know in Manhattan for a cocktail party. Well the place was in good shape,
572
01:03:20,062 --> 01:03:25,468
the apartment was in good shape, we had some good crystal in those days, before it all disappeared,
573
01:03:25,635 --> 01:03:32,675
and but you know how it is you're breaking glasses in the fireplace. The important thing was that it was 4-degree temperature that day,
574
01:03:32,842 --> 01:03:37,680
4-degrees with the wind whipping off the East River. Well 17 people came we rehearsed those two songs
575
01:03:38,915 --> 01:03:45,087
and then at 5 minutes to 6 we were there and I was about I was ready to ring the doorbell when
576
01:03:45,087 --> 01:03:50,493
Fiddle Veracola who happens to be here tonight. Fiddle Veracola said...
577
01:03:50,493 --> 01:03:53,062
Actually you weren't gonna ring the doorbell.
578
01:03:53,062 --> 01:03:56,632
Did I rush off, what did I do, what did I skip?
579
01:03:56,666 --> 01:03:58,734
Aren't you going to ring the doorbell is what she said.
580
01:03:58,768 --> 01:04:00,503
I was about to ring the doorbell...
581
01:04:00,503 --> 01:04:03,573
No you didn't want to ring the doorbell that is the whole point of it.
582
01:04:03,573 --> 01:04:11,647
Oh that's right, I got it mixed up. I did not want to ring the doorbell, that's it, that is the 1st time I made that mistake.
583
01:04:12,014 --> 01:04:14,016
Well you see there it is.
584
01:04:15,117 --> 01:04:18,888
And I was reluctant. Fiddle Veracola said to me...
585
01:04:18,921 --> 01:04:22,391
Aren't you gonna ring the doorbell?
586
01:04:22,725 --> 01:04:27,430
Didn't you Fiddle? And I said why would I ring the doorbell?
587
01:04:27,496 --> 01:04:31,133
And she said, because he very well might want to hear what we are doing
588
01:04:31,267 --> 01:04:35,504
and he may be looking at television and he won't even know we are out here, she said.
589
01:04:35,771 --> 01:04:40,076
Well I never thought, she did say that. I never thought that Irving Berlin was there in the 1st place,
590
01:04:40,076 --> 01:04:44,380
this dark old house and here it is 4-degrees, he would be up in the Catskills with his family
591
01:04:44,380 --> 01:04:52,388
in front of a roaring fireplace at the age of 96, or in Bermuda, you know in the Bahamas somewhere enjoying himself.
592
01:04:52,555 --> 01:04:55,992
He had a couple of bucks, I knew that.
593
01:04:58,261 --> 01:05:03,065
Well I was overcome by you know that giant emotion called fear,
594
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:09,171
of the ringing the doorbell, my friends didn't want me to do it but I did it, I eventually did it.
595
01:05:09,404 --> 01:05:13,542
The door was flung open, the housekeeper said what can I do for you?
596
01:05:13,876 --> 01:05:18,047
And I said we are here to serenade Mr. Berlin on Christmas Eve.
597
01:05:18,047 --> 01:05:20,950
She said isn't that nice I'll go right upstairs and tell him.
598
01:05:22,852 --> 01:05:26,088
Well we didn't expect that, didn't expect that
599
01:05:26,322 --> 01:05:30,493
this was well we were agog, we started singing White Christmas,
600
01:05:30,559 --> 01:05:32,395
there are several people here tonight who were there,
601
01:05:32,395 --> 01:05:36,499
Pat Nemser, Jacqueline Parker, and we are singing White Christmas
602
01:05:36,499 --> 01:05:37,400
Tears in our eyes
603
01:05:37,433 --> 01:05:38,467
And tears streaming, a lump
604
01:05:39,368 --> 01:05:45,207
Frogs in the throat, gagging, fortunately we all didn't gag at the same time.
605
01:05:45,942 --> 01:05:50,880
And all the lights in this 5-story mansion were starting to come up, symbolism was rife,
606
01:05:51,747 --> 01:05:56,819
like the lighting of a giant Christmas Tree to me and Bertram pointed out on the 3rd floor that
607
01:05:56,819 --> 01:06:02,124
the shade was being drawn mysteriously, well we were thrilled, and we sang I'll Be Loving You Always
608
01:06:02,124 --> 01:06:05,928
which was written for as you know Ellen Mackay and then I thought the program was a little short
609
01:06:05,962 --> 01:06:11,701
so we repeated White Christmas and then we were going around Beekman Place.
610
01:06:12,468 --> 01:06:15,237
It was like a scene out of a movie cause just as we were turning the corner
611
01:06:15,471 --> 01:06:18,341
the door opened up and she waved something and she said
612
01:06:18,341 --> 01:06:21,711
come back, come back, so we ran back to his house
613
01:06:21,711 --> 01:06:24,981
And she said Mr. Berlin would to thank you, and I said we would like to thank Mr. Berlin
614
01:06:24,981 --> 01:06:29,885
for all the beauty that he brought into this world and for us especially
615
01:06:29,952 --> 01:06:33,990
and she said I don't mean that he wanted to come out on the sidewalk tonight to thank you
616
01:06:34,123 --> 01:06:37,660
but you know its 4 degrees, as if we didn't know.
617
01:06:39,195 --> 01:06:40,463
So in we went
618
01:06:40,563 --> 01:06:45,234
No so she said he would like you to come inside he will greet you personally in the house. So.
619
01:06:45,401 --> 01:06:54,377
In we went there he was in the kitchen in pajamas, slippers, bathrobe,
620
01:06:54,410 --> 01:06:58,681
bright bright eyes and he said,
621
01:06:59,081 --> 01:07:02,051
This is the nicest Christmas present I ever got.
622
01:07:04,387 --> 01:07:12,595
Bertram Ross is, Bertram Ross is let me just say it, I'll have to say it,
623
01:07:12,595 --> 01:07:19,001
he is my life, he's my life that is it, he is my life...
624
01:07:19,902 --> 01:07:25,574
My music is my life too but I mean, but he is an incredible human being, he just
625
01:07:26,375 --> 01:07:33,949
how he put up with Martha and elevated her and revered her and brought
626
01:07:34,083 --> 01:07:44,527
and worked with her and gave her all of that and did all of that, out of the sheer love of doing the art,
627
01:07:45,261 --> 01:07:48,998
without thinking about oh is my name gonna be there, am I getting this much money?
628
01:07:49,065 --> 01:07:53,736
Without thinking of that at all, I mean it is too otherworldly for me I'll tell you.
629
01:07:54,170 --> 01:07:57,306
When we did this in the Paiz in the Park in London
630
01:07:57,306 --> 01:08:00,543
Bertram invented a choreography for the 2nd of part of this.
631
01:08:00,876 --> 01:08:07,383
This is Irving Berlin's jungle song. Second part of this song and by the next morning London was agog.
632
01:08:07,516 --> 01:08:14,657
Rumor has it that the Queen Mother was seen on the lawn of Windsor Castle executing the steps
633
01:08:14,723 --> 01:08:21,163
that you will see Bertram do in the opening of the 2nd chorus of this wonderful jungle song by Irving Berlin,
634
01:08:21,229 --> 01:08:30,872
the year 1925 from the Coco Nuts. This song is so so politically incorrect that it was banned
635
01:08:30,872 --> 01:08:36,946
from the recent revival of the Coco Nuts, so there.
636
01:08:48,057 --> 01:08:57,832
Monkeys upon a tree never are very blue, they never seem to be under par that is true,
637
01:08:58,434 --> 01:09:09,944
Not like the ones you see on a bar in the zoo, Monkey's upon a tree do the monkey doodle doo,
638
01:09:10,679 --> 01:09:13,716
Oh oh oh oh among the mangos,
639
01:09:14,649 --> 01:09:17,051
Where the monkey gang goes,
640
01:09:17,386 --> 01:09:22,224
You can see them do, you can see them do, the little monkey doodle doo.
641
01:09:23,993 --> 01:09:33,335
Oh oh oh the little monkey playing on his one key gives them all the cue, Gives them all the cue,
642
01:09:33,702 --> 01:09:36,438
To do the monkey doodle doo,
643
01:09:37,238 --> 01:09:43,546
Let me take you by the hand, Over to the jungle band, I am the jungle band,
644
01:09:43,746 --> 01:09:51,953
If you're too old for dancing, Get yourself a monkey gland and then let's go, Oh then let's go,
645
01:09:52,121 --> 01:10:01,463
A little dearie there's the Darwin's Theory telling me and you, telling me and you, to do the monkey doodle doo.
646
01:10:14,376 --> 01:10:22,518
Do the monkey doodle doo, To do the monkey doodle doo, do do ta do.
647
01:10:26,255 --> 01:10:35,331
We met way beyond the time when people usually meet but I would love us to be, you know nubile and 27
648
01:10:35,864 --> 01:10:45,641
and racing across like two young zephyrs or stallions whatever those things are that race across things,
649
01:10:45,641 --> 01:10:58,587
Unicorns, beach and all that part of it, that would be nice, but that's another lifetime coming up somewhere, but this this will do.
650
01:11:00,389 --> 01:11:02,891
OK Bertie I guess we did it huh?
651
01:11:02,891 --> 01:11:06,228
I guess so. It's just the beginning.
652
01:11:07,529 --> 01:11:11,734
Only the beginning. I say I'm only beginning.
653
01:11:13,434 --> 01:11:14,903
If I can remember.
654
01:11:19,508 --> 01:11:29,985
You are my toad, I am your frog, Aren't you happy we met on this log,
655
01:11:30,653 --> 01:11:34,089
And we've been friends forever,
656
01:11:35,190 --> 01:11:46,769
Hiding from owls and hopping in heather, You are my toad I am your frog,
657
01:11:47,068 --> 01:11:51,440
You shine the silverware, I'll find the Spode,
658
01:11:51,874 --> 01:12:04,019
And we'll celebrate Christmas while we're trimming the tree, Toad, Frog and me,
659
01:12:04,019 --> 01:12:06,755
You have really think it's terrible isn't it.
660
01:12:07,756 --> 01:12:16,699
You are my frog I am your toad, Remember last winter it finally snowed,
661
01:12:17,866 --> 01:12:29,311
And Christmas was white and stormy, My friend the frog built a fire to warm me,
662
01:12:30,913 --> 01:12:35,718
I got the flu, I had a pain,
663
01:12:36,018 --> 01:12:44,893
I bought some (no you didn't you ordered, oh I ordered), I ordered some bubbly sparkling champagne,
664
01:12:45,494 --> 01:13:10,486
And by New Years Eve happily our health simply glowed, Frog and Toad, Frog and Toad.
665
01:13:15,324 --> 01:13:17,192
Take it again from the top.
666
01:13:18,827 --> 01:13:19,862
Boychik
667
01:13:20,596 --> 01:13:23,198
Boychik, then you have have to do this.
668
01:13:23,565 --> 01:13:26,869
I'm not doing that it hurts.
669
01:13:29,238 --> 01:15:04,233
♪
670
01:15:55,918 --> 01:16:02,324
It's never to late to become what you might have been,
671
01:16:02,357 --> 01:16:08,130
Don't trust how you feel, you can still grab that wheel and give it another spin,
672
01:16:08,630 --> 01:16:15,170
You are never too old to make up your mind to make a brand new start,
673
01:16:15,637 --> 01:16:22,611
Never too weak to forcefully speak to a world that seems to be falling apart,
674
01:16:25,314 --> 01:16:31,920
You gotta erase that old frown from your face if you can't get a lift,
675
01:16:31,987 --> 01:16:38,059
Your doctor will wipe all your sorrows away so you don't look constantly miffed,
676
01:16:38,493 --> 01:16:44,967
And once in while break out in a smile and watch your joy begin,
677
01:16:45,033 --> 01:16:51,974
Cause if it don't rise up to the challenge of life that's your ultimate sin,
678
01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:58,513
And it's never too late to become, You'll be making the Universe hum,
679
01:16:58,747 --> 01:17:04,119
Oh it's never too late to become what you might have been.
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