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>>> CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT

HAPPENED?

>> DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHY THEY

WERE ATTACKING YOU?

THE NUMBER OF ATTACKS HAS REALLY

INCREASED.

>> OUR GOVERNMENT IS TOTALLY

UNABLE TO DEAL WITH THIS

SITUATION.

>> THE GOVERNMENT IS NOW

INFUSING MONEY INTO THE ECONOMY

AND HOPING TO STABILIZE IT.

>> WE HAVE PROVIDED MORE MONEY

THAN WE HAVE IN AMERICAN

HISTORY.

>> THE QUESTION IS, HOW WILL

THAT MONEY BE DIPLOID?

>> THE FORMULA IS SO GROSSLY

IRRESPONSIBLE.

>> WE'RE IN THIS FOR THE LONG

HALL.

WHAT THE FUCK DO WE DO?

>> YOU DON'T SEE THOSE RICH

PEOPLE HELPING US OUT.

>>> SO AS WE'RE DRIVING, 15 OR

20 OR SO AT LEAST FAMILIES JUST

LIKE THIS WALKING FROM BARCELONA

TO KYA.

IT'S ABOUT 45 KILOMETERS.

IT WILL TAKE THEM ABOUT THREE

DAYS.

UNTIL RECENTLY A SMALL MAJORITY

MUSLIM COUNTRY IN WEST AFRICA

WAS RELATIVELY PEACEFUL.

OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, AL

QAEDA, ISIS AND OTHER ARMED

GROUPS WHO DEVASTATED A NEIGHBOR

COUNTRY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO

CROSSOVER BORDERS AND LAUNCH

INCREASINGLY VICIOUS ATTACKS.

THE IMPACT ON CIVILIANS HAS BEEN

DEVASTATING AND HUNDREDS OF

THOUSANDS HAVE HAD TO FLEE THEIR

HOMES.

THIS FAMILY HAS JUST WALKED

THROUGH THE NIGHT AFTER ANOTHER

BRUTAL ATTACK.

THERE ARE IDP CAMPS HERE, BUT

OVER 85% OF THE INTERNALLY

DISPLACED PEOPLE ARE SHELTERED

AND FED BY HOST COMMUNITIES

WHERE ENTIRE VILLAGES LED BY

GENEROUS VOLUNTEERS LIKE THIS

CHIEF SHARE EVERYTHING THEY

HAVE.

>> CAN YOU JUST DESCRIBE THE

ATTACK THAT MADE YOU FLEE HERE?

>> DID YOU MANAGE TO COME WITH

EVERY MEMBER OF YOUR FAMILY?

>> WE DROVE NORTH, THE VAST

REGION BENEATH THE SAHARA DESERT

THAT STRETCHES ACROSS AFRICA AND

MANY ARE WORRYING IS THE NEXT

LAWLESS SPACE WHERE TERRORIST

CAN ATTRACT FOREIGN FIGHTERS AND

ROAM FREELY.

JUST FIVE DAYS EARLIER, ONE OF

THE DEADLIEST ATTACKS SO FAR

OCCURRED HERE WHEN AT LEAST 36

PEOPLE WERE KILLED IN A MARKET

AS STHEY SHOPPED FOR FOOD.

WE SPOKE WITH THE SURVIVORS WHO

FLED WITH THE BODIES OF THEIR

LOVED ONES.

>> THESE GRAVES ARE JUST FOUR

DAYS OLD.

ALL OF THE VICTIMS OF THE ATTACK

ARE BURIED TOGETHER HERE.

>> DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHO THEY

WERE OR WHY THEY WERE ATTACKING

YOU?

>> DESPITE BEING THE SECOND

LARGEST ETHNIC GROUP,

TRADITIONALLY NOMADIC HERDERS

HAVE LONG BEEN TREATED AS

UNDERCLASS.

GROUPS LIKE AL QAEDA AND ISIS

HAVE EXPLOITED THEM AND TARGETED

THEM FOR RECRUITMENT.

THIS HAS LED TO A COMMON

PERCEPTION INCLUDING AMONG THE

GOVERNMENT MILITARY THEY ARE

TERRORISTS, FUELING THE

VIOLENCE, INCREASING ETHNIC

TENSIONS.

THIS SCHOOLBOY WAS DRIVEN TO A

MILITARY CAMP.

HE AGREED TO TALK US TO, BUT

ONLY IF HE COULD HIDE HIS FACE.

>> DID THEY TELL YOU WHY THEY

WERE TAKING PEOPLE?

DID THEY ACCUSE YOU OF

SHELTERING THE TERRORISTS OR

KNOWING ACT THE TERRORISTS OR

EVEN BEING TERRORISTS?

>> AND OF THOSE WHO WERE TAKEN

AND WERE KILLED OR HAVE JUST

NEVER BEEN SEEN AGAIN, WERE ANY

YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS?

>> JUST 15, HE WAS FREED BECAUSE

HE WAS SO YOUNG AND NOW LIVES

ALONE, SLEEPING ON THE FLOOR OF

THIS CLASSROOM.

HAVE THE AUTHORITIES CONTACTED

YOUR FAMILY AT ALL TO TELL YOU

WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE FOUR

RELATIVES OF YOURS?

>> MILITARY ATTACKS LIKE THESE

ARE KILLING ALMOST AS MANY

CIVILIANS AS THE TERRORISTS.

ENTIRE COMMUNITIES LIKE THIS ONE

HAVE BEEN FORCED TO FLEE THEIR

HOMES.

SO HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE LIVING

HERE?

YOU THINK AT THE VERY LEAST

THESE POLICIES MIGHT BE MAKING

THE TERRORIST MORE ATTRACTIVE TO

SOME PEOPLE.

>> ETHNIC DIVISIONS AREN'T THE

ONLY THING FUELING THIS CRISIS.

THIS IS ONE OF THE POOREST

NATIONS ON EARTH, BUT IT HAS

BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN POTENTIAL

WEALTH IN GOLD, MUCH OF IT

UNTAPPED AND THEREFORE HIGHLY

ATTRACTIVE TO TERRORIST GROUPS

LIKE AL QAEDA AND ISIS IN NEED

OF FUNDING.

MOST OF THE GOLD MINES HERE

SMALL AR TISAL OPERATIONS

WITHOUT SECURITY.

THEY ARE YOUNG, POORLY PAID

WORKERS, MANY NOT EVEN

TEENAGERS.

>> WHAT'S IT LIKE TO WORK HERE

EVERYDAY?

>> DO YOU FEEL SAFE WORKING HERE

BECAUSE NOT FAR AWAY THERE ARE

TERRORIST GROUPS ATTACKING MORE

AND MORE OFTEN AND SOMETIMES

ATTACKING AREAS WHERE THERE IS

GOLD?

>> EVEN THOSE WORKING IN LARGE

FOREIGN OWNED GOLD MINES ARE NOT

SAFE.

IN NOVEMBER LAST YEAR, FIVE

BUSES TAKING WORKERS CAME UNDER

ATTACK DESPITE HAVING A MILITARY

ESCORT.

37 PEOPLE WERE KILLED.

>> HOW DID YOU SURVIVE?

>> SUCH ATTACKS MEAN THE FEW AID

AGENCIES THAT OPERATE HERE, THE

BRAVE RELIEF WORKERS WHO ARE

HERE STRUGGLE TO COPE WITH

LIMITED RESOURCES.

THIS SCHOOL IS LOOKING AFTER

1,600 CHILDREN.

AND WHAT MENTAL STATE ARE THEY

WHEN THEY ARRIVE HERE?

>> BEFORE WE LEFT, WE WENT BACK

TO THE HOST COMMUNITY RUN BY THE

CHIEF.

THE FAMILIES WHO FLED HERE ARE

SAFE FOR NOW BUT NO ONE KNOWS

HOW LONG THAT WILL LAST.

YOU RECEIVED ONE MORE FAMILY WHO

FLED.

HAVE YOU RECEIVED ANY MORE

FAMILIES SINCE THEN?

>> THE CHIEF HAS TAKEN IN SO

MANY FAMILIES SINCE WE WERE LAST

HERE ON SATURDAY THAT HE NOW

SAYS HE HAS NO MANY PEOPLE HE'S

LOOKING AFTER.

IT WAS 450 PEOPLE ON SATURDAY.

IT'S NOW SOMETHING LIKE 550.

AND NOW HAVING TO HUDDLE ON

SHEETS OUTSIDE ON THE STREET

BECAUSE HIS COMPOUND IS

COMPLETELY FULL.

ONE OF THE AID AGENCIES HERE

SAYS THAT AS A WHOLE THEY HAVE

ABOUT 560,000 DISPLACED PEOPLE

RIGHT NOW, BUT WITH THE WAY

THINGS ARE GOING, THEY THINK

THERE WILL BE 900,000 DISPLACED

PEOPLE HERE BY APRIL OF THIS

YEAR.

>>> IT'S THAT CORONAVIRUS

UNCERTAINTY WHICH SENT THE DOW

PLUNGING MORE THAN 1,000 POINTS

YESTERDAY.

>> FELT ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

>> FACTORIES HAVE CLOSED.

BUSINESSES HAVE SHUT DOWN.

>> ANOTHER 5 MILLION PEOPLE HAVE

FILED FOR JOBLESS CLAIMS.

>> BRINGING THE TOTAL TO MORE

THAN 30 MILLION.

>> REALLY THOSE NUMBERS ARE JUST

ABSOLUTELY BRUTAL.

>> WE ARE GOING INTO A GLOBAL

RECESSION.

>> I MEAN, IT IS AFFECTING US

DOWN HERE.

AND A DAY WHEN THE MARKETS ARE

OPEN.

EVEN AFTER SEPTEMBER 11th, THE

LAST TIME THE CITY WAS SHUT DOWN

IN SUCH A BIG WAY, GRAND CENTRAL

STATION WAS BUSTLING.

PEOPLE WERE COMING IN.

PEOPLE WERE COMING OUT.

I CAN'T THINK ANY ANALOGOUS

SITUATION IN NEW YORK WHERE

EVERYTHING IS EMPTY.

>> THIS TEAM AND THE TEAM WE

HAVE WORKING ON THIS NEW YORKERS

SHOULD HAVE TOTAL CONFIDENCE.

>> ON MARCH 20th, NEW YORK STATE

WAS A ROLLING BLACKOUT OF

AMERICAN ECONOMIC ACTIVITY WHEN

GOVERNOR ANDREW CUOMO SIGNED A

DRASTIC BUT INNOCUOUS ORDER.

>> ONLY ESSENTIAL BUSINESSES

WILL BE FUNCTIONING.

>> Reporter: WITHIN DAYS OF THE

ANNOUNCEMENT, THE STRONGEST JOBS

MARKET IN RECENT MEMORY SAW

DOUBLE DIGIT UNEMPLOYMENT.

THE LONGEST RUNNING BULL MARKET

IN HISTORY TURNED INTO THE MOST

PRECIPITOUS STOCK MARKET DROP

EVER RECORDED.

>> IF THE ECONOMY WERE A HUMAN

BODY, WE JUST HAD A HEART

ATTACK.

>> Reporter: ANDREW LOWE, AN

ECONOMIST AT M.I.T. SLOAN SCHOOL

OF MANAGEMENT.

WILL THIS BE WORSE THAN 2008?

>> IN TERMS OF UNEMPLOYMENT, IT

WILL BE WORSE.

FOR THE NEXT SIX MONTHS, LIFE IS

GOING TO LOOK VERY HARD AND IT'S

GOING TO LOOK VERY SCARY BECAUSE

A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES ARE JUST

NOT THERE RIGHT NOW.

>> Reporter: BUT HOW LONG CAN WE

SUSTAIN THE CURRENT SITUATION?

>> I BELIEVE THAT ANOTHER THREE

TO SIX MONTHS OF THIS IS

DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE NEED TO

BE EXPECTING, POSSIBLY ANOTHER

SIX TO 12 MONTHS IF THERE'S A

RESURGENCE OF THE INFECTION.

THE ECONOMIC FALLOUT FROM

COVID-19 IS REALLY LACK OF

CONFIDENCE IN THE ENTIRE SYSTEM.

>> THIS LEGISLATION PROVIDES FOR

DIRECT PAYMENTS TO INDIVIDUALS

AT UNPRECEDENTED RATES AS WELL

AS MAUL BUSINESSES.

>> Reporter: A MASSIVE $2

TRILLION STIMULUS PACKAGE.

IT WAS THE LARGEST ECONOMIC

BAILOUT IN U.S. HISTORY.

>> THE QUESTION IN ALL OF THE

ECONOMISTS MINDS IS -- HOW WILL

THAT MONEY BE DEPLOYED?

IF DEPLOYED PROPERLY, IT WILL

HAVE TREMENDOUSLY POSITIVE

EFFECT, BUT IF USED INCORRECTLY,

IT COULD ACTUALLY HAVE SOME

PRETTY SIGNIFICANT NEGATIVE

CONSEQUENCES.

WE DON'T NEED BAILOUTS FOR

INVESTORS.

WE NEED BAILOUTS FOR WORKERS.

>> Reporter: WHILE RETAIL

GIANTS, HOTELS AND AIRLINE

INDUSTRIES, SMALL BUSINESSES

WERE LEFT WONDERING HOW TO

SURVIVE.

JENNIFER DELUCA THE OWNER OF

BODY TONIC, THE PI LA TEES GYM

HE HAS RUN OVER 20 YEARS IN

BROOKLYN.

>> RATE OF 65% OF OUR NORMAL

ACTIVITY COMPLETELY VIRTUAL.

>> HOW MANY EMPLOYEES DO YOU

HAVE?

>> NINE AT THIS TIME.

I HAVEN'T LET ANYBODY GO.

I HAVE TO REALLY BE CAREFUL THAT

I'M NOT HAVING THEM WORK TO

THEIR DETRIMENT.

RIGHT NOW I'M PAYING THEM MORE

THAN THEY CAN GET FROM

UNEMPLOYMENT.

AT SOME POINT IT MAY LOOK LIKE

FIRING THEM IS BETTER THAN THEM.

THIS IS GOING TO HAVE TO GET

FIGURED OUT.

>> Reporter: AT THE BEGINNINGF

APRIL, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT

LAUNCHED A FIRST COME, FIRST

SERVE LOAN PROGRAM FOR SMALL

BUSINESSES.

IT RAN OUT OF MONEY AFTER 13

DAYS.

JENNIFER FILED FOR APPLICATION

THE DAY THE PROGRAM OPENED.

BUT IT TOOK OVER A MONTH TO

RECEIVE ANY RELIEF MONEY.

>> I'M JUST WONDERING WHY CHASE

WAS UNABLE TO HAVE SOMEBODY, YOU

KNOW, JUST FOR ME TO CALL.

>> YES.

I JUST DO GENERAL CUSTOMER

SERVICE.

>> OKAY.

>> Reporter: HALF OF AMERICA'S

WORKERS ARE EMPLOYED BY A SMALL

BUSINESS.

RECENT POLLING DATA SUGGESTS

THAT NEARLY HALF OF SMALL

BUSINESSES DON'T THINK THEY'LL

SURVIVE WITHOUT EITHER

SUBSTANTIAL GOVERNMENT SUPPORT

OR A REOPENED ECONOMY.

AS THE COSTS OF PROPPING UP THE

ECONOMY SKYROCKET, STATES ARE

LOOKING TO THE FEDERAL

GOVERNMENT TO FILL IN THE GAPS.

WE SPOKE WITH NEW YORK CITY'S

CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER SCOTT

STRINGER THE DAY BEFORE THE

FIRST STIMULUS PACKAGE PASSED.

DESPITE HAVING ALMOST HALF THE

NATION DIAGNOSED COVID CASES AT

THE TIME THE EMERGENCY RELIEF

BILL EARMARKED ONLY 5% OF ITS

MONEY FOR NEW YORK.

TELL ME -- YOUR REACTION TO WHAT

HAS BEEN PASSED IN WASHINGTON,

D.C.?

>> WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE STIMULUS

AND SEE THE DIFFERENT BUCKETS,

THERE IS REASON FOR HOPE.

AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN AS YOU

GET A LITTLE OPTIMISTIC YOU READ

THE FINE PRINT NEW YORK NEED NOT

APPLY.

THE FORMULA THAT IS BEING

ATTACHED TO THIS SPENDING BILL

SHORTCHANGES NEW YORK STATE AND

NEW YORK CITY IN A WAY THAT IS

SO GROSSLY IRRESPONSIBLE IF THE

VIRUS IS NOT CORRECTED IN THE

SHORT TERM THE CITY IS GOING TO

LOSE AT LEAST $6 BILLION OF

REVENUE.

WE'RE GOING TO NEED MORE MONEY

FOR HOMELESS PEOPLE.

WE'RE GOING TO NEED MORE MONEY

FOR EDUCATION.

WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO PROTECT

OUR CITY WORKERS.

THESE ARE THE FOLKS WHO ARE ON

THE FRONT LINE RISKING THEIR

LIVES GOING TO WORK EVERYDAY,

HELPING AT GREAT PERSONAL RISK.

>> Reporter: BUT SOME OF THOSE

FRONT LINE WORKERS WON'T SEE A

PENNY OF FEDERAL RELIEF MONEY.

MARIA IS FROM ECUADOR, SHE

LIVED, RAISED A FAMILY AND

WORKED IN THE U.S. FOR 20 YEARS.

MOST OF HIS INCOME HAS

DISAPPEARED BECAUSE OF THE

CORONAVIRUS OUTBREAK.

>> A LOT OF PEOPLE CAN GO TO THE

GOVERNMENT AND GET UNEMPLOYMENT

FROM THE GOVERNMENT.

CAN YOU GET THAT, TOO?

>> NO.

>> IF NO ONE WORKS, HOW ARE WE

GOING TO BUY FOOD?

HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET CLOTHES?

IF WE DON'T PAY OUR RENT, HOW

THE FUCK ARE WE GOING TO STAY

WARM IN OUR HOUSE.

YOU DON'T SEE THESE RICH PEOPLE

COMING HELPING US OUT.

>> Reporter: IN CRISIS, THERE'S

ALWAYS POLITICAL OPPORTUNITY.

SOME ARE JOINING THE BURGEONING

MOVEMENT OF TENANTS REFUSING TO

PAY RENT.

>> READY, THREE, TWO, ONE.

RED STRIKE.

>> MORE THAN HALF OF OUR UNITS

ARE NOT PAYING RENT THIS MONTH.

OUR LANDLORD HAS 87 MILLION REAL

ESTATE PORTFOLIO, HE OWNS 50

BUILDINGS ALL OVER THE CITY.

IF YOU'RE ASKING WHO IS BEST

SITUATED TO TAKE THE HIT,

LANDLORDS, REAL ESTATE.

DIP IN THEIR POCKETS AND HAVE US

MOVE FORWARD AS A SOCIETY

TOGETHER.

>> Reporter: AS THE VIRUS SPREAD

ACROSS THE COUNTRY, SO IS THE

CANCELLED RENT CAMPAIGN EVEN

GETTING SUPPORT AMONGST

PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS.

>> AT A TIME WHEN SO MANY PEOPLE

ARE THREATENED BY PANDEMIC,

THEIR LIVES SHOULDN'T ALSO BE

THREATENED BY THE FEAR OF

EVICTION OR WORSE.

>> Reporter: WHILE MANY ARE

EDUCATING FOR COLLECTIVE ACTION,

OTHERS ARE EMBRACING ANY

OPPORTUNITY THEY CAN.

SOME COMPANIES HAVE SAVED JOBS

BY SHIFTING THEIR PRODUCTION

CAPABILITIES TO THE ONE THING

EVERYONE NEEDS -- MEDICAL

EQUIPMENT.

WE STARTED ASSEMBLING THESE

YESTERDAY.

WE CUTTED THEM ON MONDAY.

TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS NOT

SOMETHING YOU HAVE PREVIOUSLY

DONE?

>> NO.

THIS IS INSPIRING TO SEE HOW

QUICKLY PEOPLE FIGURED OUT A WAY

TO DO SOMETHING THAT WAS NEEDED

AND NOT JUST DO IT IN A SMALL

WAY BUT IN A VERY BIG WAY.

>> THEY HAVE BEEN DOING IT

ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

COMPELLED BY PATRIOTISM, PROFIT

AND THE PRESIDENT.

>> EVERY ONE OF YOU ARE HEROES

RIGHT NOW BECAUSE YOU'RE

PROVIDING THE SUPPLIES THAT ARE

GOING TO SAVE LIVES AND PROTECT

OUR HEALTH CARE WORKERS.

>> Reporter: THE WAR EFFORT

RHETORIC IS INSPIRING AND

SKILLFULLY EXPLOITED BY

POLITICIANS, THE VAST MAJORITY

OF BUSINESSES CAN'T RETOOL THEIR

OPERATIONS AND REOPEN.

AS THE NATIONAL DEBT BALLOONS

AND THE PSYCHOLOGICAL TOLL OF

SHELTERING IN PLACE MOUNTS, SO

TOO THE DEMANDS TO REOPEN THE

ECONOMY.

>> OPEN OHIO NOW!

>> THIS IS A COUNTRY THAT WAS

BUILT ON GETTING IT DONE.

OUR PEOPLE WANT TO GO BACK TO

WORK.

I'M HEARING IT LOUD AND CLEAR

FROM EVERYBODY.

>> Reporter: PRESIDENT TRUMP SAW

HISTORICALLY LOW UNEMPLOYMENT

NUMBERS AS HIS RETURN TICKET TO

THE WHITE HOUSE, BUT IT'S NOW

POSSIBLE HE MIGHT ENTER NOVEMBER

WITH THE HIGHEST UNEMPLOYMENT

RATE IN AMERICAN HISTORY.

IT'S ONE REASON REPUBLICANS ARE

GETTING IMPATIENT.

>> HERE IS THE PROBLEM, WE HAVE

FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL

GOVERNMENTS WHO ARE INTERFERING

WITH PEOPLE'S ABILITY TO CARRY

OUT THEIR LIVELIHOODS.

>> YOU THINK THE GOVERNMENT

SHOULDN'T BE INTERVENING AND

SAYING THAT YOU CANNOT DO THIS,

YOU CANNOT DO THAT, YOU CANNOT

BE OPEN?

>> OTHER THAN A VERY BRIEF

EMERGENT RESPONSE, SHORT OF

FLATTEN THE CURVE IF YOU WANT TO

USE THAT PHRASING.

THAT PART HAS A REASONABLE BASIS

ON AN EMERGENCY BASIS FOR

GOVERNMENT TO SAY, HEY, PAUSE.

BUT WE'RE PAST THAT.

WE'RE TO THE POINT NOW WHERE

WE'RE INTERFERING WITH LIBERTY.

WE'RE INTERFERING WITH A

GOD-GIVEN RIGHT TO TAKE CARE OF

YOUR FAMILY.

HOW MANY MORE PEOPLE ARE BEING

HARMED THAN BEING HELPED BECAUSE

OF OUR DECISIONS?

>> Reporter: THE ARGUMENT THAT

THE CURE IS NOW WORSE THAN THE

DISEASE HAS BEEN EMBRACED BY

MANY ELECTED REPUBLICANS.

THEIR VIEWS ARE OFTEN CRIBBED

FROM DR. DAVID KATZ, FORMER

DIRECTOR OF THE YALE GRIFFIN

PREVENTION RESEARCH CENTER AND

OUTSPOKEN LIBERAL.

IN MARCH, KATZ WROTE A

CONTROVERSIAL ARTICLE "THE NEW

YORK TIMES."

>> A LOT OF PEOPLE HEAR YOUR

NAME FOR THE FIRST TIME AS IT

RELATES TO CORONAVIRUS.

WITH THE PIECE THAT YOU WROTE

FOR THE NEW YORK TIMES.

TELL ME ABOUT THE PIECE.

>> I WAS CONCERNED AT THE VERY

BEGINNING OF THIS THAT IF WHAT

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS SHUTTING

EVERYTHING DOWN, I WORRY ABOUT

WHAT THAT WILL DO TO SOCIAL

DETERMINE NANS OF HEALTH, THINGS

LIKE FOOD INSECURITY, THE DANGER

OF TURNING TOWARD ADDICTION AND

THE POTENTIAL FOR DOMESTIC

VIOLENCE.

WE MAY HAVE A SPIKE IN DEATH

FROM OTHER CAUSES BECAUSE WE'VE

CREATED SUCH FIXATED ATTENTION

ON CORONAVIRUS TO THE EXCLUSION

OF ALL ELSE.

IF WE IDENTIFY PEOPLE WHO ARE AT

ELEVATED RISK OF SEVERE

INFECTION AND DOUBLE DOWN ON

PROTECTING THEM, WE ACHIEVE TWO

THINGS BY LETTING THOSE OF US AT

LOWER RISK BACK OUT INTO THE

WORLD.

ONE, SOME SEMBLANCE OF LIFE AS

WE KNEW IT IS RESTORED.

THOSE OF US OUT IN THE WORLD ARE

LIKELY TO ENCOUNTER THE

CORONAVIRUS.

THAT'S SORT OF THE POINT.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET

EXPOSED IT TO, GET OVER IT, MAKE

ANTIBODIES BECAUSE THAT'S THE

ALL CLEAR.

>> PEOPLE ARE APOPLECTIC.

>> TO BE CLEAR, I WAS NEVER

SAYING LET EVERYBODY'S

GRANDPARENTS OUT THERE, TAKE

THEIR CHANCES.

THE IDEA WAS, NO, LET'S PROTECT

THE GRANDPARENTS BUT MAYBE SOME

OF US NEED TO BE OUT IN THE

WORLD SO THE GRAND PARENTS HAVE

A FOOD SUPPLY.

BUT ALL OF THIS GOT CONVERTED

INTO A PRESIDENTIAL TWEET.

WE'RE GOING BACK TO WORK BY

EASTER.

THAT WASN'T ME.

>> BUT YOU GOT BLAMED FOR IT.

>> I GUESS I DID.

IF YOU WANT TO DISLIKE ME OR MY

OPINIONS, FINE.

BUT I WOULD SAY THAT IF ANYBODY

TELLS YOU THEY KNOW WITH

ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY HOW BAD THIS

IS GOING TO BE, RUN LIKE HELL IN

THE OTHER DIRECTION BECAUSE WE

DON'T HAVE THE DATA TO KNOW

ANYTHING FOR SURE.

THE ONE THING I KNOW FOR SURE IS

WE NEED MORE DATA.

>> Reporter: IT'S THIS VERY LACK

OF DATA THAT KATZ'S POINTS SITE

TO JUSTIFY CURRENT LOCKDOWN

POLICIES AND DATA MODELS THAT

BLINDLY REOPENING SOCIETY COULD

LEAD TO A DEADLY SECOND WAVE OF

CORONAVIRUS INFECTIONS.

>> WE CANNOT OPEN UP TO OUR

ECONOMY BASED ON FALSEHOODS.

>> BUT SUMMER APPROACHES, LOCAL

GOVERNMENTS ARE CONTENDING WITH

RESTLESS POPULATIONS.

HOUSE MINORITY LEADER KEVIN

McCARTHY FREQUENTLY CONSULTS

WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP ON COVID-19

POLICY AND SETS REPUBLICAN

POLICY IN THE HOUSE AND HE

THINKS IT'S TIME TO REOPEN THE

ECONOMY.

>> THERE IS OBVIOUSLY ENORMOUS

AMOUNT OF PUSHBACK THE SECOND

SOMEBODY SAYS WE SHOULD OPEN

THINGS BACK.

IF WE LOOK AT GOVERNOR KEMP IN

GEORGIA, DO YOU THINK THAT

GOVERNOR KEMP IS MAKING THE

RIGHT DECISION?

>> LOOK, IT'S PROBABLY UNFAIR

FOR ME TO MAKE THAT ANSWER

BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE DATA ON

THE GROUND WHAT'S HAPPENING IN

GEORGIA.

EACH STATE IS DIFFERENT.

I THINK YOU WANT TO PHASE IN

BASED UPON WHAT IS THE SCIENCE

AND THE DATA TELLING YOU ON THE

GROUND.

WE NEED TO DO THIS IN A COMMON

SENSE, HEALTHY WAY, BUT I DO

BELIEVE WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

>> TELL ME HOW THIS ENDS.

HOW DO WE GET OUT OF IT?

>> THIS IS HOW IT ENDS, SHORT

AMOUNT OF TIME YOU'RE GOING TO

FIND THE INGENUITY OF AMERICA,

WE'LL FIND THAT AMERICANS JUST

LIKE ANY OTHER CHALLENGE WE HAVE

HAD FROM BE IT WAR, SPANISH FLU,

WE'LL OVERCOME THIS.

WE'LL BE STRONGER.