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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:08,925 "Mom. I love you so much. 2 00:00:09,009 --> 00:00:10,677 I must be the luckiest guy in the world 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:12,679 to have a mom like you. 4 00:00:12,762 --> 00:00:16,516 You're always there for me. And you never let me down. 5 00:00:18,184 --> 00:00:21,396 You've always comforted me when I was sad 6 00:00:21,479 --> 00:00:23,189 and always made me feel special 7 00:00:23,273 --> 00:00:25,483 with all the little things you do for me. 8 00:00:27,402 --> 00:00:30,530 Mom, I wish I could be there for you 9 00:00:30,613 --> 00:00:33,241 like you've always been for me. 10 00:00:33,324 --> 00:00:34,242 Thanks, Mom. 11 00:00:36,536 --> 00:00:38,246 I hope that when I get out, 12 00:00:38,329 --> 00:00:40,540 I can return to being a good son. 13 00:00:41,916 --> 00:00:44,252 So that I can make you happy. 14 00:00:45,754 --> 00:00:48,840 Love, Pelon. 15 00:01:39,682 --> 00:01:41,392 At approximately 10:30 p.m., 16 00:01:41,476 --> 00:01:43,436 Jorge Ramirez texted his contact 17 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:45,271 at the Bakersfield Police Department -- 18 00:01:45,355 --> 00:01:46,648 Larry Esparza. 19 00:01:48,900 --> 00:01:50,151 Wanted and dangerous, 20 00:01:50,235 --> 00:01:52,821 Justin Harger was in Jorge's apartment. 21 00:01:52,904 --> 00:01:56,574 For 12 minutes, Esparza didn't answer. 22 00:01:56,658 --> 00:01:58,910 Mr. Ramirez was texting 23 00:01:58,993 --> 00:02:01,204 and calling with Officer Esparza, 24 00:02:01,287 --> 00:02:03,498 but a crucial fact was that Officer Esparza 25 00:02:03,581 --> 00:02:05,250 was not on duty that night. 26 00:02:05,333 --> 00:02:08,294 He was relaying messages from Mr. Ramirez 27 00:02:08,378 --> 00:02:10,713 to police colleagues who were on the ground. 28 00:02:11,756 --> 00:02:14,425 On a night when every second matters, 29 00:02:14,509 --> 00:02:15,969 Jorge is left waiting. 30 00:02:17,554 --> 00:02:19,597 Then, 10:44 is Ramirez calling you? 31 00:02:19,681 --> 00:02:20,807 Correct. 32 00:02:20,890 --> 00:02:22,934 And this is after he sends you the message 33 00:02:23,017 --> 00:02:24,686 saying that he's here, correct? 34 00:02:24,769 --> 00:02:25,854 Correct. 35 00:02:25,937 --> 00:02:26,896 And it's a routed call, 36 00:02:26,980 --> 00:02:29,023 which means you didn't pick up the phone? 37 00:02:29,107 --> 00:02:30,984 Correct. 38 00:02:31,067 --> 00:02:34,237 Officer Esparza was off duty that night, 39 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,447 was not even around the scene 40 00:02:36,531 --> 00:02:39,284 or anywhere during that time 41 00:02:39,367 --> 00:02:41,327 planning this this whole operation. 42 00:02:41,911 --> 00:02:45,165 If I was the sergeant on that scene and I'm getting texts, 43 00:02:45,248 --> 00:02:47,917 "Hey, I don't have all those details, this is all I know," 44 00:02:48,001 --> 00:02:50,253 I don't know that I'm willing to send my officers in there 45 00:02:50,336 --> 00:02:52,213 to an unknown on something like that. 46 00:02:52,297 --> 00:02:54,382 Ramirez never officially registered 47 00:02:54,465 --> 00:02:56,509 as a confidential informant, 48 00:02:56,593 --> 00:02:58,553 but officers that night mobilized 49 00:02:58,636 --> 00:03:00,805 according to the information he provided 50 00:03:00,889 --> 00:03:03,725 and referred to Jorge as an informant. 51 00:03:04,726 --> 00:03:07,020 Still, the poor communication between Jorge 52 00:03:07,103 --> 00:03:10,023 and the off-duty Officer Esparza 53 00:03:10,106 --> 00:03:11,816 had consequences. 54 00:03:11,900 --> 00:03:13,735 At 10:21 p.m., 55 00:03:13,818 --> 00:03:16,237 Ramirez is texting his contact to say 56 00:03:16,321 --> 00:03:18,239 Harger has turned up at his apartment. 57 00:03:19,532 --> 00:03:21,242 It's almost two hours after that 58 00:03:21,326 --> 00:03:24,120 that a surveillance van turns up at the home. 59 00:03:28,082 --> 00:03:32,378 They had set it up where he was going to have Harger in there 60 00:03:32,462 --> 00:03:34,422 with him in the apartment. 61 00:03:34,505 --> 00:03:37,467 They were supposed to be out there and reassure him 62 00:03:37,550 --> 00:03:39,219 that they were going to make an arrest 63 00:03:39,302 --> 00:03:41,346 as they exit the place. 64 00:03:41,429 --> 00:03:43,806 By the time the cops turn up 65 00:03:43,890 --> 00:03:46,643 with an unmarked van, they basically missed each other, 66 00:03:46,726 --> 00:03:48,144 and we don't really know why. 67 00:03:48,228 --> 00:03:50,230 Somehow they dropped the ball and they weren't watching. 68 00:03:51,898 --> 00:03:53,942 Eventually, Jorge texts his contact 69 00:03:54,025 --> 00:03:56,069 to say they're going to the AM/PM 70 00:03:56,152 --> 00:03:57,737 and then to the Sheraton Hotel. 71 00:03:57,820 --> 00:04:00,031 The officers turn up to the AM/PM, 72 00:04:00,114 --> 00:04:01,699 they miss them there, 73 00:04:01,783 --> 00:04:03,409 and then they head back to the Sheraton, 74 00:04:03,493 --> 00:04:05,453 where they're expecting to intercept them. 75 00:04:05,536 --> 00:04:07,789 Ramirez said, "Hey, where are you guys?" 76 00:04:07,872 --> 00:04:08,831 Hey, where are you guys? 77 00:04:08,915 --> 00:04:10,458 "We're up here at the AM/PM now. 78 00:04:10,541 --> 00:04:11,793 We're on our way to the Sheraton." 79 00:04:11,876 --> 00:04:12,794 We're on our way to the Sheraton. 80 00:04:12,877 --> 00:04:14,379 I said, "Hey, I need that information. 81 00:04:14,462 --> 00:04:16,172 What kind of car are you guys in? 82 00:04:16,256 --> 00:04:17,507 Does he still have the gun?" 83 00:04:17,590 --> 00:04:19,634 He goes, "I can't talk. I've got to go. I can't"-- 84 00:04:19,717 --> 00:04:21,219 I've got to go. I can't talk. 85 00:04:21,302 --> 00:04:24,222 He was extremely rushed. Frantic, almost. 86 00:04:24,305 --> 00:04:26,349 What jumped out of those messages, to me, 87 00:04:26,432 --> 00:04:29,018 was that Mr. Ramirez was fearful. 88 00:04:29,102 --> 00:04:30,895 There's a lot of "Where are you going to be?" 89 00:04:30,979 --> 00:04:32,438 "Can I call you?" "No." 90 00:04:32,522 --> 00:04:34,232 "Can you text?" "No." 91 00:04:34,315 --> 00:04:36,109 His contact is obviously off duty 92 00:04:36,192 --> 00:04:39,237 and pressuring him to call in, he's saying he can't do it. 93 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,281 He's warning him that it's too dangerous 94 00:04:41,364 --> 00:04:43,533 and that doesn't really seem to be being acknowledged. 95 00:04:43,616 --> 00:04:46,244 He was annoyed. He was mad, like, "Where are you? 96 00:04:46,327 --> 00:04:48,830 I can't text right now. Are you coming or are you not?" 97 00:04:57,005 --> 00:05:00,258 Shortly after six officers had set up at the Sheraton Hotel, 98 00:05:02,510 --> 00:05:06,347 the SUV driven by Justin Harger entered the parking lot. 99 00:05:06,431 --> 00:05:08,141 Officer Wimbish An Officer Brewer 100 00:05:08,224 --> 00:05:10,518 followed the vehicle in their patrol car. 101 00:05:10,601 --> 00:05:12,770 -Harger parked. 102 00:05:12,854 --> 00:05:14,314 And the two officers proceeded 103 00:05:14,397 --> 00:05:16,190 on foot towards his SUV. 104 00:05:18,234 --> 00:05:20,153 There seems to have been widespread confusion 105 00:05:20,236 --> 00:05:21,863 among the police 106 00:05:21,946 --> 00:05:23,614 about whether they were supposed to be 107 00:05:23,698 --> 00:05:26,034 apprehending the driver or the passenger 108 00:05:26,117 --> 00:05:28,661 in the vehicle once they had stopped. 109 00:05:29,203 --> 00:05:31,122 As the officers approached, 110 00:05:31,205 --> 00:05:33,916 Ramirez, who was the passenger, exited the vehicle. 111 00:05:35,251 --> 00:05:36,627 You don't want that informant there. 112 00:05:36,711 --> 00:05:38,004 You want him to walk away. 113 00:05:38,087 --> 00:05:39,547 You get him out of that scene. 114 00:05:39,630 --> 00:05:42,300 I just see the passenger getting out of the vehicle, 115 00:05:42,383 --> 00:05:44,427 and he looks similar to Justin Harger. 116 00:05:44,510 --> 00:05:47,513 So I'm not positive if it is or is not him at that point. 117 00:05:47,597 --> 00:05:50,600 I now draw my gun and I yell at the passenger, 118 00:05:50,683 --> 00:05:52,226 "Police, show me your hands." 119 00:05:52,310 --> 00:05:54,937 Suddenly, the officers heard the driver 120 00:05:55,021 --> 00:05:57,482 of the vehicle yell something. 121 00:05:57,565 --> 00:06:00,360 And instantly after that, I heard two gunshots 122 00:06:00,443 --> 00:06:01,861 and saw two muzzle flashes 123 00:06:01,944 --> 00:06:03,529 coming from the driver's door area. 124 00:06:04,072 --> 00:06:06,282 Officer Brewer was struck on the cheek 125 00:06:06,366 --> 00:06:09,077 by what he thought was a bullet coming from the driver. 126 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,371 Basically, after that, 127 00:06:11,454 --> 00:06:13,623 it all goes completely wrong. 128 00:06:13,706 --> 00:06:17,919 Harger, who they know is armed and potentially violent, opens fire. 129 00:06:18,711 --> 00:06:20,421 Immediately after getting hit, 130 00:06:20,505 --> 00:06:22,298 Officer Brewer fired 15 shots 131 00:06:22,382 --> 00:06:24,342 in an attempt to shoot at the driver. 132 00:06:27,178 --> 00:06:30,014 At any point in time, did you shoot at the passenger? 133 00:06:30,098 --> 00:06:32,225 Not intentionally. 134 00:06:32,308 --> 00:06:35,186 I was shooting into the vehicle every time, but I was very... 135 00:06:36,604 --> 00:06:38,231 When the bullet hit me, I was barely able 136 00:06:38,314 --> 00:06:40,024 to stand afterwards. 137 00:06:40,108 --> 00:06:42,693 But I was trying my best to aim toward the vehicle. 138 00:06:44,195 --> 00:06:46,739 So you had this confusion, if you will. 139 00:06:46,823 --> 00:06:48,408 The officers didn't know who they were firing at 140 00:06:48,491 --> 00:06:49,951 or who was who. 141 00:06:51,285 --> 00:06:53,871 The rest of the officers exited their vehicles. 142 00:06:53,955 --> 00:06:57,458 Officer Beagley saw Ramirez come around from the passenger side 143 00:06:57,542 --> 00:06:59,502 of the vehicle. 144 00:06:59,585 --> 00:07:01,921 However, he thought it could be Justin Harger. 145 00:07:04,215 --> 00:07:06,259 I gave the suspect verbal commands. 146 00:07:06,342 --> 00:07:08,761 "Bakersfield Police Department. Put your hands up." 147 00:07:08,845 --> 00:07:10,847 Obviously, I'm focused on his hands, 148 00:07:10,930 --> 00:07:13,766 but I remember seeing blood in this area 149 00:07:13,850 --> 00:07:16,394 on his face or neck area. 150 00:07:16,477 --> 00:07:19,230 His hand went behind his back. He wouldn't put his hands up. 151 00:07:19,313 --> 00:07:21,941 I told him twice, and I thought he was reaching for a gun. 152 00:07:22,024 --> 00:07:24,193 I fired five or six times. 153 00:07:26,654 --> 00:07:30,241 Ramirez fell to his knees, and Officer Beagley 154 00:07:30,324 --> 00:07:33,786 fired what he described as "a couple of more rounds." 155 00:07:36,372 --> 00:07:38,916 And then the individual appeared to be deceased at that time? 156 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:39,876 Yes. 157 00:07:39,959 --> 00:07:41,586 Did you see a weapon in his hand 158 00:07:41,669 --> 00:07:43,045 when he pulled his hand forward? 159 00:07:43,129 --> 00:07:44,213 No. 160 00:07:44,297 --> 00:07:46,090 As you sit here today, 161 00:07:46,174 --> 00:07:49,427 you now learn that that individual was Jorge Ramirez. 162 00:07:49,510 --> 00:07:51,596 Correct? 163 00:07:51,679 --> 00:07:53,389 Correct. 164 00:07:53,473 --> 00:07:55,224 There is a volley of gunfire 165 00:07:55,308 --> 00:07:58,227 that kills both Ramirez and Harger. 166 00:07:58,311 --> 00:08:00,771 We know that when Ramirez was shot, 167 00:08:00,855 --> 00:08:02,773 he was left face down on the floor 168 00:08:02,857 --> 00:08:05,485 and handcuffed as he was dying. 169 00:08:05,568 --> 00:08:08,112 This was an informant for the BPD. 170 00:08:08,196 --> 00:08:10,031 Both Jorge Ramirez, Jr. 171 00:08:10,114 --> 00:08:13,784 and Justin Harger were declared dead at the scene. 172 00:08:15,870 --> 00:08:18,164 According to the Kern County coroner's report, 173 00:08:18,247 --> 00:08:20,750 Jorge died from 10 penetrating 174 00:08:20,833 --> 00:08:23,711 and perforating gunshot wounds to the body. 175 00:08:23,794 --> 00:08:26,422 He was not armed. 176 00:08:26,506 --> 00:08:29,592 His toxicology report was clean. 177 00:08:30,676 --> 00:08:33,679 There seemed to be some confusion. 178 00:08:33,763 --> 00:08:35,890 Did all the officers who were there that night, 179 00:08:35,973 --> 00:08:38,017 did they know that Ramirez 180 00:08:38,100 --> 00:08:40,853 was working as an informant? 181 00:08:40,937 --> 00:08:43,731 Did they know what Ramirez looked like? 182 00:08:43,814 --> 00:08:45,942 You know, were officers going to be able to 183 00:08:46,025 --> 00:08:49,612 know who was the suspect and who was the contact? 184 00:08:49,695 --> 00:08:53,658 An officer says that he's aware there's an informant present. 185 00:08:53,741 --> 00:08:56,536 He's not sure which side of the car he's sitting on. 186 00:08:57,703 --> 00:09:00,373 Other officers didn't even know there was one present. 187 00:09:00,456 --> 00:09:01,999 You know what happens to information 188 00:09:02,083 --> 00:09:03,709 when it passes through so many people. 189 00:09:03,793 --> 00:09:05,753 It kind of changes and alters. 190 00:09:05,836 --> 00:09:07,630 There are conflicting stories 191 00:09:07,713 --> 00:09:09,632 about who did what and when. 192 00:09:09,715 --> 00:09:13,553 I think what we noticed quite quickly 193 00:09:13,636 --> 00:09:16,222 was that these stories did not match up. 194 00:09:17,265 --> 00:09:20,810 What you see coming out after this operation 195 00:09:20,893 --> 00:09:24,397 is a number of officers, as part of the investigation, 196 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:26,607 really divulging there wasn't a huge amount 197 00:09:26,691 --> 00:09:28,859 of planning that went into any of this. 198 00:09:28,943 --> 00:09:31,862 Sergeant Eric Lance, in charge of the operation, 199 00:09:31,946 --> 00:09:34,699 stated there was no tactical plan on how to respond 200 00:09:34,782 --> 00:09:36,909 if Justin Harger got in the vehicle. 201 00:09:36,993 --> 00:09:39,495 Other officers downplayed that a specific plan 202 00:09:39,579 --> 00:09:41,455 was even necessary. 203 00:09:41,539 --> 00:09:44,917 Was there any discussion of a plan for apprehending Harger? 204 00:09:45,001 --> 00:09:48,212 We didn't have nearly enough information to make a plan. 205 00:09:48,296 --> 00:09:50,506 We're still hoping to get enough information 206 00:09:50,590 --> 00:09:52,383 in order to make a plan. 207 00:09:52,466 --> 00:09:54,927 I mean, you can make a plan to get a cup of coffee 208 00:09:55,011 --> 00:09:57,972 and not know where you're going to get the cup of coffee at. 209 00:09:59,307 --> 00:10:00,725 The police already knew, 210 00:10:00,808 --> 00:10:03,185 before Jorge got involved in this situation, 211 00:10:03,269 --> 00:10:07,023 that they were dealing with an armed, dangerous individual. 212 00:10:07,106 --> 00:10:09,400 And one would think that, in planning 213 00:10:09,483 --> 00:10:12,486 and preparing to apprehend such a suspect, 214 00:10:12,570 --> 00:10:15,656 the police would have planned thoroughly, 215 00:10:15,740 --> 00:10:17,491 would have taken into account the possibility 216 00:10:17,575 --> 00:10:20,870 that things could turn chaotic, could turn violent, 217 00:10:20,953 --> 00:10:23,456 and especially given that 218 00:10:23,539 --> 00:10:25,207 the police had an informant 219 00:10:25,291 --> 00:10:26,667 inside this operation. 220 00:10:26,751 --> 00:10:29,128 There should have been a briefing, 221 00:10:29,211 --> 00:10:30,755 an ongoing dialogue. 222 00:10:30,838 --> 00:10:32,673 There should have been a rescue plan. 223 00:10:32,757 --> 00:10:36,344 People, when they think of it being risky, being an informant, 224 00:10:36,427 --> 00:10:40,014 they think about, you know, the person they're ratting on, 225 00:10:40,097 --> 00:10:43,184 if you will, potentially hurting them, not law enforcement. 226 00:10:43,267 --> 00:10:46,270 Mr. Ramirez really shouldn't have been present. 227 00:10:46,354 --> 00:10:48,397 That was a tactical blunder. 228 00:10:49,106 --> 00:10:52,026 The police agency has a definite obligation 229 00:10:52,109 --> 00:10:54,111 to protect and preserve human life. 230 00:10:54,195 --> 00:10:57,990 So they should have made decisions and judgments 231 00:10:58,074 --> 00:11:00,743 prioritizing the safety and security of all people 232 00:11:00,826 --> 00:11:02,495 involved in this operation. 233 00:11:02,578 --> 00:11:05,956 There was really a haphazard approach 234 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,918 to this incident in which they just 235 00:11:09,001 --> 00:11:10,252 sort of went on instinct. 236 00:11:11,253 --> 00:11:14,006 And as a result, both men were killed. 237 00:11:14,090 --> 00:11:17,468 They were careless about the way they conducted the operation. 238 00:11:17,551 --> 00:11:21,013 There was enough information there for them to prevent this. 239 00:11:21,097 --> 00:11:22,431 They failed. 240 00:11:22,515 --> 00:11:24,016 They failed my son. 241 00:11:24,100 --> 00:11:25,685 They failed the department. 242 00:11:25,768 --> 00:11:27,561 That's not fair to our family. 243 00:11:27,645 --> 00:11:28,813 It's not fair. 244 00:11:28,896 --> 00:11:32,441 That made me want to be my brother's voice even more, 245 00:11:32,525 --> 00:11:34,735 just knowing how his life ended. 246 00:11:34,819 --> 00:11:36,153 It just gave me more of the power 247 00:11:36,237 --> 00:11:37,947 to, like, want to fight that. 248 00:11:59,552 --> 00:12:02,179 I was in communication with Ralph Silva, 249 00:12:02,263 --> 00:12:03,848 the uncle of David Silva, 250 00:12:03,931 --> 00:12:06,892 the young man that was murdered at the hospital. 251 00:12:06,976 --> 00:12:09,729 So my daughter somehow communicated with him 252 00:12:09,812 --> 00:12:11,188 about, "Let's mobilize. 253 00:12:11,272 --> 00:12:12,982 Let's make it known that 254 00:12:13,065 --> 00:12:14,942 they have taken a life." 255 00:12:15,025 --> 00:12:16,485 We gathered our family, 256 00:12:16,569 --> 00:12:18,946 our grandkids and everyone. 257 00:12:20,072 --> 00:12:23,909 Every Friday, cold, rain, fog, whatever it was-- 258 00:12:23,993 --> 00:12:27,663 we stood there and we held our signs and we protested. 259 00:12:27,747 --> 00:12:28,956 You should be ashamed! 260 00:12:29,039 --> 00:12:30,499 You should be ashamed to wear that uniform! 261 00:12:30,583 --> 00:12:32,001 You should be ashamed! 262 00:12:32,084 --> 00:12:34,211 And as time went on, 263 00:12:34,295 --> 00:12:36,380 you know, more families got together. 264 00:12:36,464 --> 00:12:39,341 You know, A, the Ramirezes standing over in the corner. 265 00:12:39,425 --> 00:12:42,887 Soon we had Chris Silva family 266 00:12:42,970 --> 00:12:45,556 and De La Rosa and Alderman. 267 00:12:45,639 --> 00:12:48,934 And we were looking at, like, "What's going on?" 268 00:12:49,018 --> 00:12:51,145 -What do we want? -Justice! 269 00:12:51,228 --> 00:12:53,773 Losing a loved one is painful. 270 00:12:53,856 --> 00:12:55,816 He always eats with us. 271 00:12:55,900 --> 00:12:57,818 But the loss each of these families suffered 272 00:12:57,902 --> 00:12:59,528 comes with other emotions 273 00:12:59,612 --> 00:13:02,573 and an ache for accountability. 274 00:13:02,656 --> 00:13:04,825 Consoling each other wasn't enough. 275 00:13:04,909 --> 00:13:08,537 So while they shed their tears, they found their voice. 276 00:13:08,621 --> 00:13:10,956 -Whose streets? -Our streets! 277 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,167 -Whose streets? -Our streets! 278 00:13:13,250 --> 00:13:16,504 I think they try to figure out how to grieve together, 279 00:13:16,587 --> 00:13:20,299 but also how to advocate, how to change things. 280 00:13:20,382 --> 00:13:23,469 At this point, like, we were meeting monthly, 281 00:13:23,552 --> 00:13:26,555 at least, to sort of talk about what we wanted to do. 282 00:13:26,639 --> 00:13:28,557 And it was just becoming this movement, 283 00:13:28,641 --> 00:13:31,143 -and it was incredible. -Never be divided! 284 00:13:31,227 --> 00:13:33,646 I couldn't believe how many other families 285 00:13:33,729 --> 00:13:35,648 were affected by this, you know. 286 00:13:35,731 --> 00:13:39,151 That they didn't have a voice before, you know. 287 00:13:39,235 --> 00:13:40,903 That they were afraid to speak up against 288 00:13:40,986 --> 00:13:42,571 the police department. 289 00:13:42,655 --> 00:13:44,782 We're finally out. "Hey, 290 00:13:44,865 --> 00:13:46,826 we have a story just like yours." 291 00:13:48,077 --> 00:13:49,745 Jason gets killed, 292 00:13:49,829 --> 00:13:51,914 and his aunt Tracy reached out to me. 293 00:13:51,997 --> 00:13:54,375 And again, same thing. 294 00:13:54,458 --> 00:13:56,544 "I seen you guys on the corner." 295 00:13:56,627 --> 00:13:58,337 You know, "Can you help us?" 296 00:13:58,420 --> 00:14:01,632 We join together and do protests together 297 00:14:01,715 --> 00:14:03,467 to share our family's story. 298 00:14:04,176 --> 00:14:05,845 Connected through tragedy. 299 00:14:05,928 --> 00:14:07,847 It's how we're connected, you know. 300 00:14:07,930 --> 00:14:10,724 Because of our experiences and our fights, 301 00:14:10,808 --> 00:14:13,143 there's just always a thought in our heads 302 00:14:13,227 --> 00:14:15,062 where, "What else can we do?" 303 00:14:15,145 --> 00:14:17,106 Family members who've had this awful thing happen 304 00:14:17,189 --> 00:14:20,776 have every right to just kind of want to curl up 305 00:14:20,860 --> 00:14:22,862 and not engage and disappear. 306 00:14:22,945 --> 00:14:25,614 But not Lethy or Jesse. 307 00:14:25,698 --> 00:14:28,158 Not Jorge, not any of the families. 308 00:14:28,242 --> 00:14:31,620 I'm really proud of the leaders that have emerged in the community. 309 00:14:34,206 --> 00:14:35,374 This is not a movement 310 00:14:35,457 --> 00:14:37,710 its members want to grow. 311 00:14:37,793 --> 00:14:40,963 Yet, as it did, they struggled to make a difference. 312 00:14:41,046 --> 00:14:45,426 Then Kern County got rocked --again. 313 00:14:45,509 --> 00:14:48,888 "The Guardian" is out tonight with another scathing article 314 00:14:48,971 --> 00:14:50,973 about Kern County law enforcement. 315 00:14:51,056 --> 00:14:54,226 We had already dealt with Damacio Diaz being arrested, 316 00:14:54,310 --> 00:14:56,562 and all of the sudden, this huge article 317 00:14:56,645 --> 00:14:58,147 from "The Guardian" comes out, 318 00:14:58,230 --> 00:15:00,232 calling the Kern County Sheriff's Office 319 00:15:00,316 --> 00:15:02,526 and the Bakersfield Police Department 320 00:15:02,610 --> 00:15:07,031 the deadliest law enforcement in the country per capita. 321 00:15:07,114 --> 00:15:09,158 Don't shoot! 322 00:15:09,241 --> 00:15:10,326 Don't shoot! 323 00:15:10,409 --> 00:15:11,785 After Ferguson 324 00:15:11,869 --> 00:15:13,829 and the national conversation that that sparked, 325 00:15:14,914 --> 00:15:16,874 we at "The Guardian" realized 326 00:15:16,957 --> 00:15:19,335 that there was no national database 327 00:15:19,418 --> 00:15:21,587 of people who were killed 328 00:15:21,670 --> 00:15:23,714 by law enforcement in the United States. 329 00:15:23,797 --> 00:15:26,675 So we decided we would try to do it ourselves. 330 00:15:29,595 --> 00:15:31,972 We were trying to document to try and look at areas 331 00:15:32,056 --> 00:15:34,391 in the country that had been under-covered, 332 00:15:34,475 --> 00:15:35,976 but where this issue 333 00:15:36,060 --> 00:15:38,896 of fatal police violence was most acute. 334 00:15:38,979 --> 00:15:41,690 And time and again, cases were cropping up 335 00:15:41,774 --> 00:15:44,610 in Kern County, California. 336 00:15:44,693 --> 00:15:47,696 We found out that Kern County had the highest rate 337 00:15:47,780 --> 00:15:49,198 of officer-involved deaths 338 00:15:49,281 --> 00:15:51,575 anywhere in the country. 339 00:15:51,659 --> 00:15:55,120 13 people killed by law enforcement in a single year 340 00:15:55,204 --> 00:15:59,166 in a county of a population of 875,000. 341 00:15:59,249 --> 00:16:01,293 Now, compare that to somewhere like New York City 342 00:16:01,377 --> 00:16:04,630 that has about 10 times the population of people, 343 00:16:04,713 --> 00:16:07,383 but only nine people were killed by cops. 344 00:16:07,466 --> 00:16:10,010 Once it came out, it was shared across 345 00:16:10,094 --> 00:16:11,971 every Facebook page, 346 00:16:12,054 --> 00:16:13,263 Instagram, Twitter. 347 00:16:13,347 --> 00:16:15,015 I had family and friends 348 00:16:15,099 --> 00:16:17,184 from across the country sending it to me 349 00:16:17,267 --> 00:16:19,186 because they knew I was working in Bakersfield, 350 00:16:19,269 --> 00:16:20,646 going, "Did you see this?" 351 00:16:20,729 --> 00:16:24,066 It became a big talking point for John Oliver's show. 352 00:16:24,149 --> 00:16:25,275 If you listen to the police chief 353 00:16:25,359 --> 00:16:26,652 in Bakersfield, California, 354 00:16:26,735 --> 00:16:28,570 the system is just fine. 355 00:16:28,654 --> 00:16:29,989 These guys are experts in the field. 356 00:16:30,072 --> 00:16:31,365 They have hundreds of years 357 00:16:31,448 --> 00:16:32,950 of law enforcement experience combined. 358 00:16:33,033 --> 00:16:34,868 Our staff has a combined 359 00:16:34,952 --> 00:16:37,496 347 years in television. 360 00:16:37,579 --> 00:16:39,790 And that doesn't mean we won't just throw a load 361 00:16:39,873 --> 00:16:42,543 of raisins on a desk and call it entertainment. 362 00:16:46,255 --> 00:16:47,881 You know, law enforcement would say 363 00:16:47,965 --> 00:16:49,800 this is a typical story 364 00:16:49,883 --> 00:16:51,218 that's done from an outside agency, 365 00:16:51,301 --> 00:16:54,722 painting a picture based on some unseemly statistics 366 00:16:54,805 --> 00:16:57,558 that don't paint Bakersfield in a positive light. 367 00:16:57,641 --> 00:17:00,102 While our attention was brought to Kern County 368 00:17:00,185 --> 00:17:02,896 because of the numbers of people that were killed there, 369 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,524 the details that we found, 370 00:17:05,607 --> 00:17:07,776 the questions that were raised over officers 371 00:17:07,860 --> 00:17:10,904 and their conduct -- that was human detail. 372 00:17:10,988 --> 00:17:14,658 That was information that put flesh on the bones 373 00:17:14,742 --> 00:17:18,746 of these statistics in a way that I think shocked people 374 00:17:18,829 --> 00:17:23,250 and a way that prompted authorities 375 00:17:23,333 --> 00:17:25,419 to take a look at these police departments. 376 00:17:25,502 --> 00:17:27,254 It was really important 377 00:17:27,337 --> 00:17:28,630 for that piece to come out. 378 00:17:28,714 --> 00:17:30,883 I think that helped catapult 379 00:17:30,966 --> 00:17:33,302 this issue on a more national level 380 00:17:33,385 --> 00:17:36,680 and create the last inch of momentum that was needed. 381 00:17:44,772 --> 00:17:47,316 ...learning more about an officer-involved shooting. 382 00:17:47,399 --> 00:17:49,610 ...saying he charged at responders 383 00:17:49,693 --> 00:17:51,612 before being shot by five officers. 384 00:17:51,695 --> 00:17:53,363 The incident is being investigated 385 00:17:53,447 --> 00:17:54,948 by the California Department of Justice. 386 00:17:55,032 --> 00:17:56,533 The deadly trend is alarming. 387 00:17:56,617 --> 00:17:58,702 ...called the deadliest police force in America 388 00:17:58,786 --> 00:18:00,621 by The Guardian, The Washington Post, 389 00:18:00,704 --> 00:18:01,914 And Vanity Fair. 390 00:18:03,207 --> 00:18:05,084 Suddenly, the world was speaking 391 00:18:05,167 --> 00:18:07,795 about police killings in Kern County. 392 00:18:07,878 --> 00:18:11,256 For the families, it seemed a time for hope. 393 00:18:11,340 --> 00:18:13,759 But less than one year later, 394 00:18:13,842 --> 00:18:15,594 that hope was crushed. 395 00:18:18,055 --> 00:18:20,557 I remember very distinctly sitting at my desk in New York 396 00:18:20,641 --> 00:18:23,185 getting a phone call from a source in Kern County 397 00:18:23,268 --> 00:18:25,854 who basically said, "They've done it again." 398 00:18:33,028 --> 00:18:34,613 ...if under the influence. 399 00:18:36,657 --> 00:18:38,575 The 73-year-old grandfather 400 00:18:38,659 --> 00:18:40,702 suffering from dementia was shot and killed 401 00:18:40,786 --> 00:18:43,539 by a BPD officer just before 1:00 a.m. on Monday. 402 00:18:46,875 --> 00:18:48,293 I was upstairs playing video games 403 00:18:48,377 --> 00:18:49,586 with my girlfriend at the time, 404 00:18:49,670 --> 00:18:51,130 and I heard some shots. 405 00:18:52,881 --> 00:18:54,633 We heard literally 406 00:18:54,716 --> 00:18:57,553 six, seven shots outside. 407 00:18:57,636 --> 00:19:00,597 We ran downstairs, looked over a fence, 408 00:19:00,681 --> 00:19:03,225 and saw a man, dead. 409 00:19:04,977 --> 00:19:06,228 Francisco Serna. 410 00:19:08,897 --> 00:19:12,734 Around 12:30 a.m., the BPD responded to a call 411 00:19:12,818 --> 00:19:15,028 from dispatch reporting a man with a gun. 412 00:19:15,112 --> 00:19:17,614 Brown jacket, unknown if under the influence. 413 00:19:17,698 --> 00:19:19,575 Armed with a revolver. 414 00:19:19,658 --> 00:19:22,870 Mr. Serna had an altercation with a neighbor. 415 00:19:22,953 --> 00:19:25,706 She placed a call to law enforcement 416 00:19:25,789 --> 00:19:28,208 and said that he appeared to have some sort of gun. 417 00:19:28,292 --> 00:19:31,003 Police officers responded to the neighbor. 418 00:19:31,086 --> 00:19:33,422 While they were discussing what the neighbor had seen, 419 00:19:33,505 --> 00:19:35,799 Mr. Serna came out of his home 420 00:19:35,883 --> 00:19:38,760 and police exited the neighbor's house. 421 00:19:38,844 --> 00:19:42,973 Mr. Serna moved towards them. He was wearing his robe. 422 00:19:43,056 --> 00:19:44,975 He's in a robe with his hands in his pockets, 423 00:19:45,058 --> 00:19:46,393 not complying. 424 00:19:46,476 --> 00:19:47,978 They engage with Francisco Serna. 425 00:19:48,061 --> 00:19:49,438 They ask him to stop. 426 00:19:49,521 --> 00:19:51,398 They ask him to pull his hands out of his pockets, 427 00:19:51,481 --> 00:19:53,025 put his hands up. 428 00:19:53,108 --> 00:19:54,985 He doesn't comply. He doesn't stop. 429 00:19:55,068 --> 00:19:56,153 He doesn't say anything. 430 00:19:56,236 --> 00:19:58,906 But he continues walking toward officers. 431 00:19:58,989 --> 00:20:03,619 Eventually, while he was within 15 to 20 feet of an officer, 432 00:20:03,702 --> 00:20:06,413 one of the officers fired seven times, 433 00:20:06,496 --> 00:20:09,333 striking and killing Francisco Serna. 434 00:20:12,794 --> 00:20:16,215 Six officers, one 73-year-old man. 435 00:20:16,298 --> 00:20:18,717 And 15 feet between them, 436 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,220 and a rookie officer opens fire. 437 00:20:23,764 --> 00:20:25,849 He was clothed 438 00:20:25,933 --> 00:20:28,894 and just face down, cuffed, 439 00:20:28,977 --> 00:20:31,271 and I just kept noticing he wasn't moving. 440 00:20:31,355 --> 00:20:32,856 Then I saw blood. 441 00:20:32,940 --> 00:20:35,651 You know, mean my mom figured he's dead. 442 00:20:35,734 --> 00:20:38,237 It's like an hour and a half, two hours. 443 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,197 They still hadn't called paramedics. 444 00:20:41,615 --> 00:20:43,116 Could have been screaming commands 445 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,411 where he just got nervous or scared. 446 00:20:46,495 --> 00:20:49,164 I just it goes through my mind. What do you go through? 447 00:20:49,248 --> 00:20:51,458 You know, I wasn't there. 448 00:20:51,541 --> 00:20:54,169 What the hell did he go through, you know? 449 00:20:54,253 --> 00:20:56,213 Just 'cause he was alone. 450 00:20:56,296 --> 00:20:58,215 It fucking pisses me off. 451 00:20:59,549 --> 00:21:01,385 Right away, they said he had a gun, 452 00:21:01,468 --> 00:21:03,178 and the media was pushing that. 453 00:21:03,262 --> 00:21:05,806 The officer tells them that he felt threatened 454 00:21:05,889 --> 00:21:08,350 and that he thought that he saw a gun. 455 00:21:08,433 --> 00:21:11,228 He don't own a gun, you know? 456 00:21:11,311 --> 00:21:12,688 Who said he had a gun? 457 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,777 They said, "There was an object found in his pocket. 458 00:21:18,860 --> 00:21:21,363 We'll give you that information when we find out." 459 00:21:21,446 --> 00:21:24,491 And I told my wife, "I know what that is." 460 00:21:24,574 --> 00:21:28,996 It's a crucifix, because he was at my house the day prior 461 00:21:29,079 --> 00:21:32,207 and he had that in his pocket, 462 00:21:32,291 --> 00:21:34,668 and he was, like, you know, blessing my house. 463 00:21:38,463 --> 00:21:40,340 The Bakersfield police will report 464 00:21:40,424 --> 00:21:42,384 that Francisco was unarmed 465 00:21:42,467 --> 00:21:45,846 and the object in his pocket was indeed a crucifix. 466 00:21:46,722 --> 00:21:49,808 The Serna family, who insisted the police knew 467 00:21:49,891 --> 00:21:52,728 that Francisco had dementia, would come to learn 468 00:21:52,811 --> 00:21:55,856 that the Bakersfield Police Department Communications Center 469 00:21:55,939 --> 00:21:57,899 had indeed added a hazard notification 470 00:21:57,983 --> 00:21:59,735 to the dispatching officers 471 00:21:59,818 --> 00:22:01,862 stating that the homeowner, Francisco Serna, 472 00:22:01,945 --> 00:22:05,157 had dementia and giving the name and phone number 473 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,701 of a daughter to contact if necessary. 474 00:22:15,667 --> 00:22:19,546 Laura Serna was the daughter of Francisco Serna, 475 00:22:19,629 --> 00:22:22,466 and I was escorted, 476 00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:25,510 the day Francisco Serna died, 477 00:22:25,594 --> 00:22:28,597 by neighbors to talk to her family. 478 00:22:29,181 --> 00:22:31,099 I didn't want to. I stay in my lane. 479 00:22:31,183 --> 00:22:34,394 I'm very respectful of anyone that passes away. 480 00:22:34,478 --> 00:22:36,396 But the neighbors felt inclined 481 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,650 that I was the person to speak with the Serna family. 482 00:22:40,734 --> 00:22:42,944 I wasn't familiar with Chris. 483 00:22:43,028 --> 00:22:45,614 I just remember hearing about his brother, and he was like, 484 00:22:45,697 --> 00:22:48,241 "Can I bring some people to do the vigil? 485 00:22:48,325 --> 00:22:50,077 And then there's going to be some activists." 486 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,037 And I was like, "Hell yeah, let's do it. 487 00:22:52,120 --> 00:22:54,164 Let's do it tonight." You know, I was ready. 488 00:22:54,247 --> 00:22:55,916 The advice I give 489 00:22:57,459 --> 00:22:59,503 was work quickly. 490 00:22:59,586 --> 00:23:03,924 You've got 15 minutes before the cameras go away. 491 00:23:04,007 --> 00:23:06,426 So if you hesitate 492 00:23:06,510 --> 00:23:08,845 or fail to do an interview 493 00:23:08,929 --> 00:23:11,056 or fail to protest 494 00:23:11,139 --> 00:23:14,893 or don't have a vigil, you can lose out on valuable time 495 00:23:14,976 --> 00:23:18,188 where people just wipe their hands of it. 496 00:23:18,271 --> 00:23:21,191 I'm thinking, "I need some help, but who can I call?" 497 00:23:21,274 --> 00:23:23,402 Because the fucking police killed my dad. 498 00:23:23,485 --> 00:23:25,320 They're supposed to be the ones helping. 499 00:23:25,404 --> 00:23:28,365 So I was, like, up in arms, like, going crazy, 500 00:23:28,448 --> 00:23:32,160 and, like, I was talking to anybody who would listen. 501 00:23:33,245 --> 00:23:36,289 The very night after Francisco Serna was killed, 502 00:23:36,373 --> 00:23:38,041 his family held a vigil. 503 00:23:38,125 --> 00:23:39,668 A lot of people showed up, 504 00:23:39,751 --> 00:23:42,087 a lot of our family, friends, 505 00:23:42,170 --> 00:23:44,756 and then these people that we didn't know 506 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,967 that were in the community. 507 00:23:47,050 --> 00:23:50,345 It turned out to be they were part of these other families 508 00:23:50,429 --> 00:23:54,766 that have, you know, family members killed by police. 509 00:23:56,101 --> 00:23:59,563 I met Laura Serna -- I believe it was that night 510 00:23:59,646 --> 00:24:03,024 at her mother's house for the vigil for her father. 511 00:24:03,108 --> 00:24:05,068 They executed her father. 512 00:24:06,069 --> 00:24:08,280 While neighbors watched. 513 00:24:09,030 --> 00:24:10,532 And, um... 514 00:24:11,825 --> 00:24:13,034 that devastates me. 515 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,456 I think this is a club that nobody wants to be a part of, 516 00:24:17,539 --> 00:24:20,876 but it's a beautiful thing that it exists 517 00:24:20,959 --> 00:24:23,503 because otherwise there would be nothing. 518 00:24:23,587 --> 00:24:25,380 -Whose streets? -Our streets! 519 00:24:25,464 --> 00:24:27,340 -Whose streets? -Our streets! 520 00:24:27,424 --> 00:24:29,176 -What do we want? -Justice! 521 00:24:29,259 --> 00:24:30,719 -When do we want it? -Now! 522 00:24:30,802 --> 00:24:34,306 The families were moving beyond protests in Bakersfield. 523 00:24:34,389 --> 00:24:37,476 They were pushing for new legislation not only in California, 524 00:24:37,559 --> 00:24:39,728 but in the entire country. 525 00:24:39,811 --> 00:24:42,272 I think it just grew and grew and grew. 526 00:24:42,355 --> 00:24:44,191 We come together here in Bakersfield. 527 00:24:44,274 --> 00:24:48,361 We meet each other from northern, southern California, or central. 528 00:24:48,904 --> 00:24:50,864 I'm proud to stand shoulder to shoulder with you 529 00:24:50,947 --> 00:24:54,701 and have your back as we fight to make our fundamentally broken 530 00:24:54,784 --> 00:24:57,579 criminal-justice system more just and to change it. 531 00:24:59,915 --> 00:25:02,417 We had to go banging on their door 532 00:25:02,501 --> 00:25:04,961 at the capital of this state, Sacramento, 533 00:25:05,045 --> 00:25:09,049 to let them know that our families and our family members 534 00:25:09,132 --> 00:25:10,926 should never die like this. 535 00:25:11,009 --> 00:25:13,762 We both went to Sacramento for that AB392. 536 00:25:13,845 --> 00:25:16,056 It was very powerful, 537 00:25:16,556 --> 00:25:20,018 to see everyone come together for a common cause. 538 00:25:20,101 --> 00:25:22,229 That was a huge win. 539 00:25:22,312 --> 00:25:23,355 Let us live! 540 00:25:23,438 --> 00:25:26,107 They had to see our faces. They had to hear the names. 541 00:25:26,191 --> 00:25:27,609 I mean, we crowded the halls. 542 00:25:27,692 --> 00:25:32,739 Pass AB392! 543 00:25:32,822 --> 00:25:36,660 It was the most powerful thing I think I've seen in a really long time. 544 00:25:36,743 --> 00:25:40,413 392 is now law in the state of California. 545 00:25:40,497 --> 00:25:43,875 It was a fascinating boom, boom, boom. It was meeting after meeting, 546 00:25:43,959 --> 00:25:47,170 and it was, like, you know, calls after calls after calls. 547 00:25:47,254 --> 00:25:52,008 Literally, if there's a rally for somebody, anybody, we go. 548 00:25:52,092 --> 00:25:54,261 It's hopeful. It gives us hope. 549 00:25:56,846 --> 00:26:00,267 We call ourselves the Justice Family because we're so close now 550 00:26:00,350 --> 00:26:03,853 and we're bonded by this, which sucks. 551 00:26:11,403 --> 00:26:14,072 The day after Francisco Serna was killed, 552 00:26:14,155 --> 00:26:18,535 the Bakersfield City Council met to honor the outgoing mayor. 553 00:26:18,618 --> 00:26:21,413 But the Justice Family had other plans. 554 00:26:22,664 --> 00:26:25,250 Madam Clerk, please call the next public speaker. 555 00:26:25,333 --> 00:26:27,085 Jorge Ramirez. 556 00:26:28,837 --> 00:26:31,047 I'm talking to you from my heart, 557 00:26:31,131 --> 00:26:32,966 that there's changes to be made. 558 00:26:33,049 --> 00:26:35,885 I love my son, and I love my family. 559 00:26:35,969 --> 00:26:39,014 But I don't think it's fair when you guys turn your back on us 560 00:26:39,097 --> 00:26:41,057 when we request answers. 561 00:26:41,141 --> 00:26:44,728 I remember the day he made me weep as I heard a father 562 00:26:44,811 --> 00:26:46,396 get up and address the city council. 563 00:26:46,479 --> 00:26:49,107 I ask you to do the right thing for our people, this community. 564 00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:51,026 I'm not going to stand behind, 565 00:26:51,109 --> 00:26:53,778 hiding and thinking that everything's okay, 566 00:26:53,862 --> 00:26:54,904 because it's not. 567 00:26:54,988 --> 00:26:56,239 It's time to wake up. 568 00:26:56,323 --> 00:26:59,409 After the city council meeting, activists and families 569 00:26:59,492 --> 00:27:02,621 discussed one more action they could take that very day. 570 00:27:02,704 --> 00:27:04,080 And it was big. 571 00:27:05,290 --> 00:27:06,833 It might be a long shot, 572 00:27:06,916 --> 00:27:09,711 but what if we ask the attorney general 573 00:27:09,794 --> 00:27:13,423 to, like, do an investigation into Bakersfield Police Department 574 00:27:13,506 --> 00:27:16,426 because they just killed a 73-year-old man 575 00:27:16,509 --> 00:27:18,094 and we basically, like, called, right? 576 00:27:18,178 --> 00:27:22,140 A lot of people who like to say, you know, take responsibility 577 00:27:22,223 --> 00:27:24,351 for the Department of Justice investigation. 578 00:27:24,434 --> 00:27:26,895 But it was really a handful of those courageous families 579 00:27:26,978 --> 00:27:29,356 who got on the call with the Department of Justice. 580 00:27:29,439 --> 00:27:33,026 Attorney General Kamala Harris opened the separate investigations today, 581 00:27:33,109 --> 00:27:36,446 saying community complaints and media coverage over the past year 582 00:27:36,529 --> 00:27:38,740 prompted the department to open these investigations 583 00:27:38,823 --> 00:27:40,909 into potential civil rights issues. 584 00:27:41,409 --> 00:27:44,079 Kamala Harris announced that the DOJ 585 00:27:44,162 --> 00:27:47,749 was going to launch an investigation into the Kern County Sheriff's Office 586 00:27:47,832 --> 00:27:50,293 and the Bakersfield Police Department, 587 00:27:50,377 --> 00:27:53,588 specifically looking at their use of force. 588 00:27:53,672 --> 00:27:55,507 That's amazing. Like, that's victory. 589 00:27:55,590 --> 00:27:57,008 Little victories at a time. 590 00:27:57,092 --> 00:27:59,719 And we're changing things. Our voices are being heard. 591 00:28:01,471 --> 00:28:04,599 But real change doesn't come easy. 592 00:28:15,485 --> 00:28:18,613 It's no secret that police departments 593 00:28:18,697 --> 00:28:20,699 have a culture of protecting each other. 594 00:28:20,782 --> 00:28:24,327 And this comes up when you're talking about 595 00:28:24,411 --> 00:28:28,206 why there are so few prosecutions of police officers who shoot people. 596 00:28:29,958 --> 00:28:33,211 A lot of our law enforcement comes from within the families. 597 00:28:33,294 --> 00:28:35,213 So maybe your grandpa was a police chief 598 00:28:35,296 --> 00:28:38,091 or they, you know, were on football teams together 599 00:28:38,174 --> 00:28:39,801 or maybe raced cars together. 600 00:28:40,301 --> 00:28:42,595 It's a very "good old boys" club. 601 00:28:47,517 --> 00:28:50,478 I go to a church, and it's a multiracial, 602 00:28:50,562 --> 00:28:52,814 multi-ethnic group church. 603 00:28:52,897 --> 00:28:56,151 And it is a beautiful place to go worship 604 00:28:56,234 --> 00:29:00,530 because you're sitting next to Filipinos and Asians 605 00:29:00,613 --> 00:29:02,949 and Blacks and Hispanics and Whites. 606 00:29:03,032 --> 00:29:05,910 And for 20 years of my life, I didn't. 607 00:29:05,994 --> 00:29:10,039 I didn't interact or relate or socialize 608 00:29:10,540 --> 00:29:14,127 with anyone other than 609 00:29:14,210 --> 00:29:17,672 my little circle of police officers. 610 00:29:17,756 --> 00:29:19,299 That's who I socialized with. 611 00:29:21,009 --> 00:29:25,597 When you have folks who are reviewing your wrongdoings 612 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,684 and they're friends and family, they don't want to see you get in trouble. 613 00:29:29,768 --> 00:29:32,353 You tend to protect and defend 614 00:29:32,437 --> 00:29:34,856 your colleagues at all costs, 615 00:29:34,939 --> 00:29:39,903 even when common sense and evidence tells you otherwise. 616 00:29:40,820 --> 00:29:42,155 There's a camaraderie. 617 00:29:42,238 --> 00:29:44,032 You are going to go out, 618 00:29:44,115 --> 00:29:47,076 give up your life if necessary 619 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,162 to protect that other officer. 620 00:29:49,245 --> 00:29:52,999 You're going to get in the line of fire. You'll do whatever needs to be done. 621 00:29:53,082 --> 00:29:55,168 Toxic police culture 622 00:29:55,835 --> 00:29:58,755 forces you to kind of band together 623 00:29:58,838 --> 00:30:01,591 because it's us against them. 624 00:30:01,674 --> 00:30:03,927 That's toxic police culture. 625 00:30:04,511 --> 00:30:07,180 There's a code where police officers are expected 626 00:30:07,263 --> 00:30:12,101 to not expose each other, 627 00:30:12,185 --> 00:30:17,649 not talk about the practices or the procedures 628 00:30:17,732 --> 00:30:20,902 that were followed or not followed, 629 00:30:20,985 --> 00:30:26,157 basically to not talk about other police officers, ever. 630 00:30:26,241 --> 00:30:28,827 So in Kern County and in Bakersfield in particular, 631 00:30:28,910 --> 00:30:31,955 there's a lower level of accountability than almost anywhere else 632 00:30:32,038 --> 00:30:33,498 in the state or in the country. 633 00:30:33,581 --> 00:30:36,709 Nationwide, you know, about 10% to 12% 634 00:30:36,793 --> 00:30:40,088 of all complaints of misconduct are upheld 635 00:30:40,171 --> 00:30:42,799 and result in some sort of accountability, which is extremely low. 636 00:30:42,882 --> 00:30:45,510 In Bakersfield, it's 6%, and when we look at, 637 00:30:45,593 --> 00:30:48,596 you know, some of the most serious forms of misconduct, 0%. 638 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,724 So there's less accountability here than almost anywhere else. 639 00:30:51,808 --> 00:30:53,142 And when I say less, 640 00:30:53,226 --> 00:30:56,145 I mean functionally zero accountability for misconduct. 641 00:31:02,485 --> 00:31:06,364 Officer accountability oftentimes comes down to policy manuals. 642 00:31:07,198 --> 00:31:11,119 These define the latitude that officers have regarding use of force. 643 00:31:12,245 --> 00:31:14,706 When it comes to internal discipline 644 00:31:14,789 --> 00:31:18,293 and whether officers are held accountable for breaking the rules, 645 00:31:18,376 --> 00:31:20,378 what the rules are, of course, matters. 646 00:31:20,461 --> 00:31:24,799 So, the policy that Bakersfield had in place in 2012 647 00:31:24,883 --> 00:31:29,095 had a very broad and permissive standard around deadly force. 648 00:31:29,178 --> 00:31:31,890 You'll see the word "reasonable" peppered throughout, 649 00:31:31,973 --> 00:31:33,975 especially in their policy 300, 650 00:31:34,058 --> 00:31:36,603 which governs the use of force and deadly force. 651 00:31:36,686 --> 00:31:38,813 This "reasonableness" standard, 652 00:31:38,897 --> 00:31:42,150 that as long as the officer reasonably believed 653 00:31:42,233 --> 00:31:44,819 that there was a threat, an imminent threat, 654 00:31:44,903 --> 00:31:48,865 that the officer would be justified in using deadly force. 655 00:31:48,948 --> 00:31:50,617 What that policy didn't say 656 00:31:50,700 --> 00:31:53,953 and what some cities, for example in San Francisco, 657 00:31:54,037 --> 00:31:58,082 says, "If the officer reasonably believes that there is an imminent threat, 658 00:31:58,166 --> 00:32:02,253 there have to be no other options available to that officer 659 00:32:02,337 --> 00:32:06,299 before they would be allowed to use any type of deadly force. 660 00:32:06,382 --> 00:32:09,886 I mean, I think that the broad conclusion to draw from all of this 661 00:32:09,969 --> 00:32:14,223 is that police departments should ask serious questions 662 00:32:14,307 --> 00:32:17,810 about whether the policies that are being put out there 663 00:32:17,894 --> 00:32:20,396 are going to increase safety, 664 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,900 the safety of the people that they're responsible for policing. 665 00:32:25,568 --> 00:32:27,153 Hold one of these officers accountable, 666 00:32:27,236 --> 00:32:28,947 make them lose their retirement, 667 00:32:29,030 --> 00:32:31,366 let their family know what it's like for them to not come home 668 00:32:31,449 --> 00:32:33,159 because they're in jail for murder. 669 00:32:33,242 --> 00:32:34,577 You don't see that. 670 00:32:34,661 --> 00:32:36,287 I can't name one officer. 671 00:32:36,371 --> 00:32:38,873 And if you all can, then please let me know 672 00:32:38,957 --> 00:32:41,876 who's been held accountable for an officer-involved shooting or murder 673 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,212 in Kern County in the last 10, 15 years. 674 00:32:44,295 --> 00:32:47,006 And I think that is part of the frustration of the community, 675 00:32:47,090 --> 00:32:50,927 and that is what really pushed them to seek assistance 676 00:32:51,010 --> 00:32:53,888 with the Department of Justice to open up an investigation. 677 00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:58,518 The California DOJ's investigation lasted five years. 678 00:32:58,601 --> 00:33:01,187 Its findings coincided with an expansive report 679 00:33:01,270 --> 00:33:03,982 by the ACLU in 2021. 680 00:33:04,065 --> 00:33:08,528 Both concluded that the use of force in Kern County is still a problem. 681 00:33:12,740 --> 00:33:15,535 I mean, the conclusion was that, yes, 682 00:33:15,618 --> 00:33:17,453 they are violating people's rights. 683 00:33:17,537 --> 00:33:20,039 They are causing harm to the community. 684 00:33:20,123 --> 00:33:24,252 Excessive use of deadly force, racially discriminatory practices, 685 00:33:24,335 --> 00:33:27,714 harassing and retaliation of individuals, 686 00:33:27,797 --> 00:33:29,549 excessive use of canines. 687 00:33:29,632 --> 00:33:32,969 Many of the same unconstitutional patterns and practices 688 00:33:33,052 --> 00:33:37,849 were still being engaged in by the Bakersfield Police Department. 689 00:33:38,349 --> 00:33:42,270 After delivering its findings, the California DOJ required 690 00:33:42,353 --> 00:33:45,231 that the BPD engage in a wide set of reforms 691 00:33:45,314 --> 00:33:47,525 under the watch of the state attorney general. 692 00:33:47,608 --> 00:33:51,237 Today, we are announcing that the California Department of Justice 693 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,614 has entered into a stipulated judgment 694 00:33:53,698 --> 00:33:58,244 with the city of Bakersfield and the Bakersfield Police Department. 695 00:33:58,327 --> 00:34:00,580 It entered into a consent decree, 696 00:34:00,663 --> 00:34:04,167 guiding the department on how to reform and correct its practices. 697 00:34:04,959 --> 00:34:09,297 It installed a monitoring team to oversee the implementation of the decree. 698 00:34:09,380 --> 00:34:11,883 We believe the state's concerns are unfounded, 699 00:34:11,966 --> 00:34:14,010 and we have nothing to hide. 700 00:34:14,093 --> 00:34:17,305 Over the years, courts and judges have consistently validated 701 00:34:17,388 --> 00:34:18,890 the police department's efforts 702 00:34:18,973 --> 00:34:21,142 to preserve the civil rights of our residents. 703 00:34:21,225 --> 00:34:27,106 Police agencies are not as afraid of these consent decrees 704 00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:30,151 and judgments as they once were. 705 00:34:30,234 --> 00:34:33,738 Well, the monitor is just doing just that, they're monitoring. 706 00:34:33,821 --> 00:34:36,908 Some experts say that consent decrees call for monitoring 707 00:34:36,991 --> 00:34:39,577 but offer few real incentives or punishments, 708 00:34:39,660 --> 00:34:43,247 failing to move departments toward substantive changes. 709 00:34:43,331 --> 00:34:45,500 Departments, they say, can subscribe 710 00:34:45,583 --> 00:34:47,794 without improving the behavior in question. 711 00:34:48,753 --> 00:34:50,546 We don't agree on everything 712 00:34:50,630 --> 00:34:53,382 that the attorney general has said. 713 00:34:53,466 --> 00:34:56,344 We do not believe that the men and women of this organization 714 00:34:56,427 --> 00:34:59,222 have ever violated constitutional rights, 715 00:34:59,305 --> 00:35:01,974 have ever used excessive force 716 00:35:02,058 --> 00:35:06,229 that we didn't deal with punitively when we found. 717 00:35:06,312 --> 00:35:09,440 That just doesn't happen in our organization. 718 00:35:09,524 --> 00:35:10,525 With that said... 719 00:35:10,608 --> 00:35:12,985 Carrot and a stick. 720 00:35:13,069 --> 00:35:15,738 You either incentivize them-- 721 00:35:15,822 --> 00:35:18,616 that means additional resources and funding-- 722 00:35:18,699 --> 00:35:20,368 or you penalize them. 723 00:35:20,952 --> 00:35:22,995 Punish them in prison. 724 00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:25,706 Jail, convictions. 725 00:35:25,790 --> 00:35:28,543 Anything other than those two things 726 00:35:28,626 --> 00:35:32,421 has no impact on the toxicity 727 00:35:32,505 --> 00:35:35,800 that still exists in many of our law-enforcement agencies. 728 00:35:58,906 --> 00:36:02,076 I planted my garden in memory of my son. 729 00:36:04,579 --> 00:36:09,458 Because I'm able to spend time with him out here on a daily basis, 730 00:36:09,542 --> 00:36:11,127 and I feel him with me. 731 00:36:13,045 --> 00:36:14,380 All the time. 732 00:36:16,757 --> 00:36:19,969 I want people to remember my son as a person that-- 733 00:36:20,052 --> 00:36:22,013 he tried to make it in his life. 734 00:36:22,096 --> 00:36:24,765 He was not perfect. No one's perfect. 735 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,061 But he was it. He was a man that loved his family. 736 00:36:30,396 --> 00:36:32,607 Just because somebody has a past, 737 00:36:32,690 --> 00:36:34,358 it's not who they are. 738 00:36:34,442 --> 00:36:36,736 It doesn't define who you are today. 739 00:36:36,819 --> 00:36:39,322 And my brother was an amazing person. 740 00:36:39,405 --> 00:36:42,825 He was so full of life. 741 00:36:42,909 --> 00:36:44,619 He had amazing kids. 742 00:36:44,702 --> 00:36:45,995 And... 743 00:36:46,078 --> 00:36:47,246 I'm sorry. 744 00:36:51,751 --> 00:36:54,962 If James was in front of me right now, I'd... 745 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,634 probably just want to give him a hug and cry. 746 00:36:59,717 --> 00:37:01,302 Tell him I love him. 747 00:37:02,929 --> 00:37:06,140 I'd just tell him, "I hope you're proud of me." 748 00:37:09,185 --> 00:37:11,062 I just feel, if he was here, 749 00:37:12,563 --> 00:37:16,317 I would look at him as if I was five years old again. 750 00:37:17,276 --> 00:37:19,362 Run and jump into his arms, 751 00:37:19,445 --> 00:37:22,406 like when he would come home from work. 752 00:37:27,078 --> 00:37:29,247 I wish I could do that with him today. 753 00:37:32,458 --> 00:37:33,709 I miss him. 754 00:37:37,296 --> 00:37:40,758 David was a very jovial young man, 755 00:37:40,841 --> 00:37:44,762 and this is what he would bring me 756 00:37:44,845 --> 00:37:48,557 every Mother's Day-- peanut brittle, 757 00:37:48,641 --> 00:37:50,685 because he knows I love it. 758 00:37:50,768 --> 00:37:53,271 He was just a good boy. 759 00:37:54,146 --> 00:37:55,856 David didn't get justice. 760 00:37:55,940 --> 00:37:58,067 Justice, for me, would be getting, 761 00:37:58,150 --> 00:38:00,444 now, another family justice. 762 00:38:00,528 --> 00:38:04,365 So having an officer being held accountable. 763 00:38:04,448 --> 00:38:07,285 If an officer's doing a bad job or killing somebody, 764 00:38:07,368 --> 00:38:09,287 you know, maybe serve some time in jail. 765 00:38:09,370 --> 00:38:11,372 We haven't even got close to that yet. 766 00:38:11,455 --> 00:38:15,543 And that's all we want to see is we want to see these officers 767 00:38:15,626 --> 00:38:19,297 held accountable for what they have done 768 00:38:19,380 --> 00:38:21,299 to our children. 769 00:38:30,099 --> 00:38:33,060 Watchdog organizations state that efforts at reform 770 00:38:33,144 --> 00:38:35,813 in Bakersfield have not had a meaningful impact 771 00:38:35,896 --> 00:38:37,982 on the frequency of police killings 772 00:38:38,065 --> 00:38:42,320 or the number of police officers held criminally liable. 773 00:38:42,403 --> 00:38:45,573 So, functionally, there is almost zero accountability 774 00:38:45,656 --> 00:38:49,618 for police use of deadly force in Bakersfield, in Kern County. 775 00:38:49,702 --> 00:38:51,912 So that pathway, functionally, does not exist 776 00:38:51,996 --> 00:38:53,706 in city of Bakersfield either. 777 00:38:53,789 --> 00:38:56,625 The only other pathway is the financial accountability, 778 00:38:56,709 --> 00:38:59,128 suing the police and getting some sort 779 00:38:59,211 --> 00:39:01,881 of misconduct settlement payout in response. 780 00:39:04,467 --> 00:39:06,927 I could have took it to trial. 781 00:39:07,011 --> 00:39:09,430 But they wanted to run my past in the ground. 782 00:39:09,513 --> 00:39:11,015 My son's past on the ground. 783 00:39:11,098 --> 00:39:13,225 Our whole family's in the ground. 784 00:39:15,353 --> 00:39:18,272 So I accepted $100,000. 785 00:39:23,402 --> 00:39:25,154 For my grandchildren. 786 00:39:25,237 --> 00:39:26,989 I know it's nothing, 787 00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:30,451 but that's a form of guilt to me, 788 00:39:30,534 --> 00:39:32,620 because if you give me a dollar, 789 00:39:32,703 --> 00:39:35,331 you're guilty of murdering my son. 790 00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:45,883 While, in the past, there have been family members, 791 00:39:45,966 --> 00:39:48,302 community members who have received payouts, 792 00:39:48,386 --> 00:39:50,179 there are a set of laws and policies 793 00:39:50,262 --> 00:39:52,223 that prevent that pathway 794 00:39:52,306 --> 00:39:55,017 from ultimately holding the police accountable. 795 00:39:55,101 --> 00:39:56,435 When we filed a lawsuit, 796 00:39:56,519 --> 00:40:01,065 we didn't actually know it was a money civil lawsuit. 797 00:40:01,148 --> 00:40:04,443 We never knew that the civil lawsuit 798 00:40:04,527 --> 00:40:07,571 wasn't going to bring criminal charges against these officers. 799 00:40:07,655 --> 00:40:09,490 We kept, you know, calling our lawyers 800 00:40:09,573 --> 00:40:12,159 and they were, you know, "This is what it is." 801 00:40:12,243 --> 00:40:14,578 Justice is, you know, it's money. 802 00:40:14,662 --> 00:40:17,748 They're shoving money down families' throats, to shut you up, 803 00:40:17,832 --> 00:40:20,584 is not fixing the problem we have in our community. 804 00:40:20,668 --> 00:40:23,295 It's covering it up, and that's not okay. 805 00:40:23,379 --> 00:40:25,548 The settlement didn't settle anything. 806 00:40:25,631 --> 00:40:27,049 It was just an agreement 807 00:40:28,467 --> 00:40:31,554 between our law firm and the county. 808 00:40:31,637 --> 00:40:33,556 Some are out-of-court settlements. 809 00:40:33,639 --> 00:40:36,100 Some happen in a lawsuit, 810 00:40:36,183 --> 00:40:39,854 but generally they don't include an admission of liability. 811 00:40:40,729 --> 00:40:44,650 So, the money that Bakersfield is paying out to family members, 812 00:40:44,733 --> 00:40:47,528 that doesn't come from police-officer salary. 813 00:40:47,611 --> 00:40:48,737 They don't pay anything for it. 814 00:40:48,821 --> 00:40:50,948 It's the very own taxpayers 815 00:40:51,031 --> 00:40:53,284 who end up paying for these type of settlements. 816 00:40:53,367 --> 00:40:54,618 And so this creates a question, right? 817 00:40:54,702 --> 00:40:57,413 Whether it's even a mechanism to hold police officers accountable 818 00:40:57,496 --> 00:40:59,623 if there's not that financial incentive. 819 00:40:59,707 --> 00:41:01,041 If we start going after their pension, 820 00:41:01,125 --> 00:41:03,627 they start going after money that's coming out of their pocket, 821 00:41:03,711 --> 00:41:05,337 I guarantee you, things are going to change. 822 00:41:05,421 --> 00:41:08,340 Things will change, but if it's on public finances, 823 00:41:08,424 --> 00:41:10,759 it ain't going to change, it ain't going to get better. 824 00:41:10,843 --> 00:41:14,054 Reporters have found examples of thousands of police officers 825 00:41:14,138 --> 00:41:16,807 who their departments have paid out multiple settlements 826 00:41:16,891 --> 00:41:19,768 for their conduct for things that they've been accused of. 827 00:41:19,852 --> 00:41:22,646 And nobody's really keeping track 828 00:41:22,730 --> 00:41:24,899 of the officers who have those track records. 829 00:41:27,026 --> 00:41:30,696 People have lost loved ones that are not returning. 830 00:41:30,779 --> 00:41:36,785 And to suggest that justice in some way exists 831 00:41:36,869 --> 00:41:42,666 by the end of a civil case is fundamentally unfair 832 00:41:42,750 --> 00:41:44,919 to the families who have lost loved ones 833 00:41:45,002 --> 00:41:47,338 who have to live with this for the rest of their life. 834 00:41:48,464 --> 00:41:49,882 Quite frankly, 835 00:41:49,965 --> 00:41:52,885 I don't know the amount that people place on human life, 836 00:41:52,968 --> 00:41:57,348 but I think it's worth more than a few million dollars. 837 00:42:11,987 --> 00:42:14,657 -This is the one I like. -We'll wash that one, too. 838 00:42:14,740 --> 00:42:17,326 I like that one, too, but we have to get it cleaned up. 839 00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:19,537 I cannot give up. 840 00:42:19,620 --> 00:42:21,413 He gave it all he had in the ring. 841 00:42:21,497 --> 00:42:23,582 He gave it all he had in life. 842 00:42:23,666 --> 00:42:27,920 Now I have to see that I give it all I got for him. 843 00:42:28,003 --> 00:42:29,713 This was one of my last pictures with him. 844 00:42:29,797 --> 00:42:31,423 It got all messed up. 845 00:42:31,507 --> 00:42:34,468 This was at grandpa's party. 846 00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,389 Justice for my brother is different now. 847 00:42:38,472 --> 00:42:42,810 Justice for my brother now is changing things in his honor 848 00:42:42,893 --> 00:42:45,688 and saving another person's life, 849 00:42:45,771 --> 00:42:47,940 you know, saving another family from having to go through 850 00:42:48,023 --> 00:42:50,651 what we had to go through the last eight years, 851 00:42:50,734 --> 00:42:53,821 because it literally will destroy you. 852 00:43:06,584 --> 00:43:08,544 The days aren't the same anymore. 853 00:43:09,545 --> 00:43:14,592 You try to make them as normal as possible. 854 00:43:16,844 --> 00:43:18,762 But life is just not the same. 855 00:43:19,388 --> 00:43:22,474 I don't interact with people outside of work. 856 00:43:22,558 --> 00:43:25,102 There are days where I don't see people. 857 00:43:25,185 --> 00:43:27,521 I spend a lot of time pacing. 858 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,399 It changes everything. It changes... 859 00:43:30,482 --> 00:43:33,652 It isn't a one-time experience. 860 00:43:33,736 --> 00:43:36,071 It isn't a phase or fad. 861 00:43:36,155 --> 00:43:37,823 It's life. 862 00:43:37,906 --> 00:43:39,742 And it's real. 863 00:43:44,663 --> 00:43:47,625 I don't think a mother can explain... 864 00:43:48,542 --> 00:43:52,421 um, the loss so deep. 865 00:43:53,339 --> 00:43:55,007 And... 866 00:43:56,467 --> 00:43:59,803 I think that as years go by, 867 00:43:59,887 --> 00:44:02,348 not many people say it will get easier. 868 00:44:02,431 --> 00:44:04,683 No, it doesn't get easier. 869 00:44:04,767 --> 00:44:07,519 I struggled a lot. 870 00:44:07,603 --> 00:44:10,189 I don't go out as often. 871 00:44:12,107 --> 00:44:14,193 I'm just more of a homebody. 872 00:44:14,276 --> 00:44:15,861 -Hands up. -Don't shoot. 873 00:44:15,944 --> 00:44:17,571 -Hands up. -Don't shoot. 874 00:44:17,655 --> 00:44:19,114 -What do we want? -Justice. 875 00:44:19,198 --> 00:44:20,658 -When do we want it? -Now. 876 00:44:20,741 --> 00:44:23,410 I think organizing helps me cope, 877 00:44:23,494 --> 00:44:26,413 and I don't want to be stuck in my depression. 878 00:44:26,497 --> 00:44:28,874 I don't want to be stuck in my sadness. 879 00:44:28,957 --> 00:44:33,462 No justice, no peace, no killer police. 880 00:44:33,545 --> 00:44:36,965 It does take a lot of courage to come out and to speak up. 881 00:44:37,049 --> 00:44:39,885 You know, they're not powerful people. They're not rich people. 882 00:44:39,968 --> 00:44:41,887 They're not the sort of people 883 00:44:41,970 --> 00:44:46,016 who you might expect to wield influence. 884 00:44:46,100 --> 00:44:50,020 But the pain that they felt over the loss of their son, 885 00:44:50,104 --> 00:44:55,150 their brother, it really drove them to fight. 886 00:44:55,234 --> 00:44:58,987 To fight to get journalists like me to pay attention to them 887 00:44:59,071 --> 00:45:02,199 and to fight to make sure that, in the future, 888 00:45:03,283 --> 00:45:05,411 things don't happen to other people 889 00:45:05,494 --> 00:45:07,079 like they did to their loved one. 890 00:45:07,162 --> 00:45:08,997 Bakersfield Police Department killed my dad. 891 00:45:09,081 --> 00:45:11,208 They murdered my dad in cold blood. 892 00:45:11,291 --> 00:45:14,086 They shot my son in the back seven times. 893 00:45:14,169 --> 00:45:17,047 -Five times. -He was shot and died. 894 00:45:18,632 --> 00:45:20,551 Our pain is equal here. 895 00:45:20,634 --> 00:45:22,594 We're all suffering every day 896 00:45:22,678 --> 00:45:25,848 thinking about our loved ones that are not here with us anymore. 897 00:45:30,269 --> 00:45:33,522 We're here to stand up for them. 898 00:45:37,234 --> 00:45:39,445 Okay. One, two, three. 899 00:45:42,823 --> 00:45:45,451 We love you! Whoo! 900 00:45:53,250 --> 00:45:55,753 You know, I do have hope that, you know, 901 00:45:55,836 --> 00:45:57,671 somebody sees what I see. 902 00:45:57,755 --> 00:46:00,132 You don't have to experience what I experience 903 00:46:01,091 --> 00:46:03,677 to really understand that there's a problem here. 904 00:46:03,761 --> 00:46:07,473 But if you don't change it, it's going to keep happening. 905 00:46:10,851 --> 00:46:14,271 I hope one day Bakersfield will stand up 906 00:46:14,354 --> 00:46:16,857 and come together as a community 907 00:46:16,940 --> 00:46:19,902 and demand change within their law enforcement. 908 00:46:21,653 --> 00:46:24,990 That's what I hope for, for all of us. 909 00:46:25,073 --> 00:46:29,453 We get some kind of justice and change. 910 00:46:31,371 --> 00:46:35,042 So I'm willing to keep putting that time in 911 00:46:35,125 --> 00:46:37,252 and be Jason's voice 912 00:46:37,336 --> 00:46:39,755 and stand beside the other families 913 00:46:39,838 --> 00:46:43,383 that have suffered the same pain that I suffer with daily. 72005

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