Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:08:04 --> 00:00:11:32 "Hi, I'm Ami Sekon and this is Whisky Conversations," 2 00:00:11:32 --> 00:00:13:43 a podcast created by Dufry. 3 00:00:13:43 --> 00:00:16:10 Today we're going to be talking about Dewar's. 4 00:00:29:45 --> 00:00:30:37 Joining me is 5 00:00:30:37 --> 00:00:34:12 Matthew Cordiner, a global ambassador for John Dewar's and Sons. 6 00:00:34:23 --> 00:00:37:04 "Matthew, how are you? I'm very well, thanks. How are you?" 7 00:00:37:05 --> 00:00:38:16 I'm good, thank you. 8 00:00:38:16 --> 00:00:41:06 "As a global brand ambassador, you travel a lot." 9 00:00:41:06 --> 00:00:44:05 "Dufry a travel retailer have created this podcast." 10 00:00:44:15 --> 00:00:46:16 "Can you tell us about some of the differences?" 11 00:00:46:16 --> 00:00:48:27 "You’ve seen country to country when it comes to whisky?" 12 00:00:48:37 --> 00:00:50:24 Yeah, of course. Great question. 13 00:00:50:24 --> 00:00:54:25 "I mean, I'm very lucky I get to travel quite a lot and it has blown my mind" 14 00:00:54:25 --> 00:00:57:34 "how different whiskys are thought of in different countries." 15 00:00:57:34 --> 00:00:59:32 "probably one of the best examples is the whisky" 16 00:00:59:32 --> 00:01:01:28 "that we're going to come on to talk about today." 17 00:01:01:28 --> 00:01:05:30 "So some countries are well associated with producing whisky," 18 00:01:05:30 --> 00:01:07:22 whereas others are emerging. 19 00:01:07:22 --> 00:01:09:03 Can you tell us about some of those? 20 00:01:09:03 --> 00:01:09:39 Yeah, of course. 21 00:01:09:39 --> 00:01:13:05 "I mean, you know, Scots, I wouldn't say we're worried yet," 22 00:01:13:23 --> 00:01:15:39 "but there are a lot of other countries are starting to make whisky now." 23 00:01:16:04 --> 00:01:19:20 "I think we still have it pretty safe, you know, with our Scotch whisky production." 24 00:01:19:35 --> 00:01:21:49 "But in all honesty, I think it's great for us all." 25 00:01:21:49 --> 00:01:22:43 "You know, I think it's showing that" 26 00:01:22:43 --> 00:01:26:03 "the trend for whisky is booming no matter where it comes from." 27 00:01:26:18 --> 00:01:29:39 "And I still like to think scotch is held right at the top in the highest regard" 28 00:01:29:39 --> 00:01:31:25 "I don’t think no one is going to knock you off your perch" 29 00:01:31:25 --> 00:01:32:29 So, no, not at all in there. 30 00:01:32:36 --> 00:01:34:14 "You know, I think talking about different countries" 31 00:01:34:14 --> 00:01:36:29 "spelling is something we should maybe address here as well." 32 00:01:37:20 --> 00:01:40:20 "Although we can say, you know, whisky with an E or with without an E, you know," 33 00:01:40:22 --> 00:01:42:13 we can see the back and forth. So. 34 00:01:42:13 --> 00:01:44:35 "Scotch whisky. We all say it without the E, okay?" 35 00:01:44:39 --> 00:01:46:07 Just the Y 36 00:01:46:07 --> 00:01:50:12 "And an Irish whiskey in the other hand, they always have the E, so E Y is that" 37 00:01:50:12 --> 00:01:52:23 "as a general rule there and you can tell really" 38 00:01:52:23 --> 00:01:55:35 "where these other countries that are now starting to make whisky have learned from" 39 00:01:55:35 --> 00:01:58:47 "is a route with the spellings of, for example, the Americans." 40 00:01:58:47 --> 00:02:00:06 They learn from the Irish, 41 00:02:00:06 --> 00:02:02:42 "so they adopt the spelling. Japanese they learn from the Scots." 42 00:02:02:42 --> 00:02:06:21 "A man called Masataka Taketsuru came over to Scotland to learn" 43 00:02:06:21 --> 00:02:09:18 "how to make whisky and went back to Japan and built the first distillery." 44 00:02:09:18 --> 00:02:11:12 So it's a great way of kind of tracking, 45 00:02:11:12 --> 00:02:13:20 "you know, how people around the world have learned how to make whisky." 46 00:02:13:28 --> 00:02:14:39 Fascinating. 47 00:02:14:39 --> 00:02:17:05 "So the brand we're looking at today is Dewar's." 48 00:02:17:23 --> 00:02:19:32 Tell us a little bit about it, the history. 49 00:02:19:32 --> 00:02:20:23 It is and, you know, 50 00:02:20:23 --> 00:02:23:21 I think Dewar's is a great example of depending on which country 51 00:02:23:21 --> 00:02:25:35 and how much, you know, you heard much about Dewar's before. 52 00:02:25:35 --> 00:02:27:15 Heard of it, but I've never tried it. 53 00:02:27:15 --> 00:02:27:43 And that's it. 54 00:02:27:43 --> 00:02:30:04 "You know, in the UK it's not a huge name, I will say that." 55 00:02:30:04 --> 00:02:33:06 "Now, if you go across the United States, we are still the number" 56 00:02:33:06 --> 00:02:35:26 "one selling Scotch whisky in the United States." 57 00:02:36:06 --> 00:02:39:19 "So a very different kind of sort of backgrounds in the knowledge here." 58 00:02:39:19 --> 00:02:40:32 But for those who maybe aren't 59 00:02:40:32 --> 00:02:44:38 so familiar with Dewar's as a brand, we go back to 1846. 60 00:02:44:38 --> 00:02:49:01 It's really when we say we opened up our shop John Dewar's and Sons in Perth 61 00:02:49:16 --> 00:02:51:16 "and our founder was from quite close to Perth." 62 00:02:51:16 --> 00:02:54:21 "I think it must have one of the funniest village names in Scotland." 63 00:02:54:21 --> 00:02:58:01 "He literally was from a place called Dull D U L L." 64 00:02:58:01 --> 00:03:00:07 "So we all say the least dull thing to come from." 65 00:03:00:07 --> 00:03:01:49 Dull was our founder, John Dewar. 66 00:03:01:49 --> 00:03:03:30 He left in his twenties, went to join 67 00:03:03:30 --> 00:03:06:03 "an aunt and uncle and a wine and spirits shop in Perthshire" 68 00:03:06:36 --> 00:03:09:25 "after he was with them, sort of learned the trade for 20 odd years." 69 00:03:09:43 --> 00:03:12:43 "He then set up his own shop, as I say, in 1846" 70 00:03:13:02 --> 00:03:16:37 "and he was one of these really sort of pioneers taking this lovely" 71 00:03:16:37 --> 00:03:19:46 "kind of full flavored malt whisky and blending it together" 72 00:03:19:46 --> 00:03:23:23 "with this kind of much more mellow but kind of softer grain whisky and kind of" 73 00:03:23:23 --> 00:03:27:01 "getting the best from both a much more rounded flavour profile and palate." 74 00:03:27:22 --> 00:03:29:08 And I always ask the question, you know, 75 00:03:29:08 --> 00:03:31:20 "about the difference between blends in malts," 76 00:03:31:29 --> 00:03:34:04 "is that one of your favorite kind of of the two?" 77 00:03:34:05 --> 00:03:38:26 "Again, it's one of those things where I feel it can be a bit purist." 78 00:03:39:07 --> 00:03:42:43 "People can say, oh, you know, single malt is the only the only way" 79 00:03:43:22 --> 00:03:44:33 I can appreciate both. 80 00:03:45:33 --> 00:03:46:46 The best answer. 81 00:03:46:46 --> 00:03:49:17 "Right. You know, and I think it's not one is better than the other." 82 00:03:49:17 --> 00:03:52:07 "I think there's very different flavour profiles from the two." 83 00:03:52:07 --> 00:03:54:15 "You know, for me, single malt is almost vertical right." 84 00:03:54:15 --> 00:03:56:11 This lovely, clearly defined 85 00:03:56:11 --> 00:03:58:40 "flavour profile coming from just one individual distillery." 86 00:03:59:11 --> 00:04:01:26 "Turn that on its side. Right. And you have a blend." 87 00:04:01:26 --> 00:04:01:40 You know, 88 00:04:01:40 --> 00:04:04:41 "you have a huge complexity of different whiskys, you know, malt whisky" 89 00:04:04:41 --> 00:04:06:22 and grain whiskys coming together. 90 00:04:06:22 --> 00:04:09:13 "By definition, that is what a blended whisky is in Scotland." 91 00:04:09:13 --> 00:04:12:39 "Any amount malt mixed with any amount of grain, that is a blend," 92 00:04:13:05 --> 00:04:14:14 you know, in something like Dewar's. 93 00:04:14:14 --> 00:04:17:34 "And we have over 40 different distilleries around Scotland coming together," 94 00:04:17:35 --> 00:04:21:03 "a combination of malts and grains to create this really sort of complex" 95 00:04:21:27 --> 00:04:23:42 array of flavors as well. 96 00:04:23:42 --> 00:04:27:03 "So for me, it's hard to get that same complexity" 97 00:04:27:15 --> 00:04:30:27 "within a single malt, a very different beasts altogether." 98 00:04:30:30 --> 00:04:31:28 Yeah. 99 00:04:31:28 --> 00:04:34:32 "So the tagline for Dewar's is Stay Curious." 100 00:04:34:46 --> 00:04:35:42 Where's that come from? 101 00:04:36:40 --> 00:04:37:22 Well, I think 102 00:04:37:22 --> 00:04:41:04 "we have to serve alongside John Dewar himself." 103 00:04:41:04 --> 00:04:43:28 "It was his two sons kind of took over the business." 104 00:04:43:43 --> 00:04:45:09 And one of them is probably one of 105 00:04:45:09 --> 00:04:48:01 "the most curious characters, I think, in the history of Scotch Whisky." 106 00:04:48:15 --> 00:04:49:44 And you have John Alexander Dewar 107 00:04:49:44 --> 00:04:52:46 "who was kind of the older son and then his kind of younger," 108 00:04:53:27 --> 00:04:57:13 "more sort of a raconteur, a bon vivant, this great storyteller," 109 00:04:57:13 --> 00:05:01:13 "a real sort of forward thinking marketeer called Thomas Tommy Dewar." 110 00:05:01:13 --> 00:05:03:06 So all his friends knew him as Tommy, 111 00:05:03:06 --> 00:05:05:02 "but he was always kind of pushing the boundaries," 112 00:05:05:02 --> 00:05:07:38 "you know, staying curious, coming up with these kind of revolutionary ideas." 113 00:05:08:03 --> 00:05:11:02 "I think within whisky, you know, I'm a global ambassador today." 114 00:05:11:15 --> 00:05:14:18 "You can think of Tommy Dewar as the first global ambassador." 115 00:05:14:18 --> 00:05:18:16 "You know, he took two years back in the early 1890s" 116 00:05:18:28 --> 00:05:22:04 "to travel around the world, he visited 26 different countries" 117 00:05:22:17 --> 00:05:24:37 and appointed to kind of 32 sales agents. 118 00:05:24:37 --> 00:05:26:24 To start spreading the name of Dewar's. Exactly. 119 00:05:26:24 --> 00:05:26:40 You know, 120 00:05:27:11 --> 00:05:27:32 Its passion 121 00:05:27:32 --> 00:05:30:10 "and probably one of the one of the best things I think we ever did" 122 00:05:30:24 --> 00:05:31:04 and talking about 123 00:05:31:04 --> 00:05:35:03 "why we're so big in the United States, it all stems back to his relationship" 124 00:05:35:36 --> 00:05:39:28 "with a man called Andrew Carnegie, maybe famous for the Carnegie Hall today." 125 00:05:39:40 --> 00:05:43:07 "But he was actually a steel magnate from Scotland and the two were friends." 126 00:05:43:25 --> 00:05:44:29 And Andrew Carnegie said, 127 00:05:44:29 --> 00:05:46:41 is there any chance you can send some Dewar's whisky over to? 128 00:05:46:41 --> 00:05:49:46 "One of my friends, Tommy and his brother said, no bother at all." 129 00:05:49:46 --> 00:05:51:04 What's the address? 130 00:05:51:04 --> 00:05:53:30 "And Andrew Carnegie wrote them back and said, it's the White House." 131 00:05:54:06 --> 00:05:56:29 "So it was Benjamin Harrison wanted some whisky." 132 00:05:56:29 --> 00:05:58:43 "So Tommy, being the curious character he is" 133 00:05:58:43 --> 00:06:00:40 and wanting to get the name out there 134 00:06:00:40 --> 00:06:03:24 "rather than sending it quietly through the back gates of the White House." 135 00:06:03:34 --> 00:06:07:16 He alerted the papers, got a big Dewar's van and sent in the front gate. 136 00:06:07:16 --> 00:06:10:11 "So suddenly, all across the papers that we're seeing that" 137 00:06:10:20 --> 00:06:13:07 "the president of United States was drinking scotch whisky," 138 00:06:13:22 --> 00:06:15:46 but not just Scotch whisky, Dewar's Scotch whisky. 139 00:06:15:46 --> 00:06:17:17 So the demand for Dewar's 140 00:06:17:17 --> 00:06:18:07 just boomed 141 00:06:18:07 --> 00:06:19:08 Amazing marketing. 142 00:06:19:08 --> 00:06:19:44 we've been the number one 143 00:06:20:05 --> 00:06:21:12 selling there ever since. 144 00:06:21:12 --> 00:06:23:15 But I think that curiosity today 145 00:06:23:15 --> 00:06:26:47 "extends to what we do with kind of our blending process as well," 146 00:06:27:15 --> 00:06:31:44 "and our first ever master blender, a man called AJ Cameron back in the 1890s," 147 00:06:32:12 --> 00:06:33:15 he was a real pioneer 148 00:06:33:15 --> 00:06:36:04 "in looking at how you mix different whiskys and kind of age them." 149 00:06:36:21 --> 00:06:38:29 And so, for example, most blends today, 150 00:06:38:41 --> 00:06:42:48 "you will age a whisky, you will blend it and you'll put it into a bottle." 151 00:06:43:08 --> 00:06:46:49 With Dewar's, we like to say we age, we blend and we age again. 152 00:06:46:49 --> 00:06:50:44 "So we always take this kind of extra stage with our whiskys and get into" 153 00:06:50:44 --> 00:06:55:08 "that sort of second sort of aging process, if you like." 154 00:06:55:08 --> 00:06:56:38 "It allows all of the whisky to get to know each other" 155 00:06:56:38 --> 00:06:58:46 "a little bit better before you put it in the bottle." 156 00:06:58:46 --> 00:07:00:16 You get more developed flavours? 157 00:07:00:16 --> 00:07:02:00 100% more developed flavors. 158 00:07:02:00 --> 00:07:04:23 "And this kind of extra smoothness, I think you'll find" 159 00:07:04:36 --> 00:07:06:30 "we're going to be lucky enough to taste something very shortly." 160 00:07:06:30 --> 00:07:08:23 So hopefully you'll see that there. 161 00:07:08:23 --> 00:07:10:29 "And but yeah, this really sort of curious character," 162 00:07:10:29 --> 00:07:11:45 I think always pushing the boundaries, 163 00:07:11:45 --> 00:07:13:47 "which I think is something we still do today," 164 00:07:14:18 --> 00:07:17:27 especially with our master blender for Dewar's Stephanie Macleod 165 00:07:17:45 --> 00:07:21:19 "and she is today one of the most award winning whisky makers in the world" 166 00:07:21:43 --> 00:07:25:04 "and the first female ever to win Master Blender of the year twice" 167 00:07:25:19 --> 00:07:29:09 "the only person ever to win it three and four times as well." 168 00:07:29:29 --> 00:07:30:46 She won again last year. 169 00:07:30:46 --> 00:07:33:48 "So yeah really pushing the boundaries in what she does with casks." 170 00:07:34:10 --> 00:07:35:43 I can't wait to try it 171 00:07:35:43 --> 00:07:38:30 "so we've got some lovely bottles here in front of us today." 172 00:07:38:42 --> 00:07:40:19 Tell me about the Dewar's range. 173 00:07:40:19 --> 00:07:43:18 "Yeah, of course, Dewar's is a vastly expanding range." 174 00:07:43:18 --> 00:07:45:12 I know we talk about staying curious. 175 00:07:45:12 --> 00:07:47:32 "We have a lot of innovation because of that as well." 176 00:07:47:42 --> 00:07:51:07 "What I really want to talk about today is our lovely double double range." 177 00:07:51:07 --> 00:07:56:32 "So with Dewars, what we normally do is we age, we blend, we age again." 178 00:07:56:32 --> 00:07:58:17 "That's already quite different from others." 179 00:07:58:17 --> 00:08:01:01 "Well, with a double, double we've added in an extra stage again." 180 00:08:01:01 --> 00:08:05:42 "So we age, we blend, we age again and we add some finishing into that as well." 181 00:08:05:42 --> 00:08:08:41 "And so this goes right back to our first master blender." 182 00:08:08:42 --> 00:08:12:27 "AJ Cameron Wood started pioneering I suppose in the 1890s" 183 00:08:12:48 --> 00:08:15:48 "where he's going to rest his malts together for a little period" 184 00:08:16:23 --> 00:08:20:05 "and rest his grains kind of together separately, then bring them together." 185 00:08:20:05 --> 00:08:23:14 "And this really again adds to sort of extra smoothness" 186 00:08:23:29 --> 00:08:24:48 and with your blend them. 187 00:08:24:48 --> 00:08:29:15 "So in fact, our double double 32 year old is a previous winner" 188 00:08:29:47 --> 00:08:32:33 of Best Blend at the World Whisky Awards 189 00:08:32:33 --> 00:08:36:20 "and again, at One World's Best Whisky, another major awarding body as well." 190 00:08:36:20 --> 00:08:39:10 "So lots of big accolades behind this range already." 191 00:08:39:25 --> 00:08:43:49 "And we also have a newly released double double 36 years old." 192 00:08:44:15 --> 00:08:46:38 "And we're we're looking at finishing in Madeira Casks." 193 00:08:46:38 --> 00:08:49:04 "It's the first time we've seen this in the double double range." 194 00:08:49:27 --> 00:08:53:00 "And we also now have a duty free exclusive range of double" 195 00:08:53:00 --> 00:08:56:29 "doubles, which is a 20 year old a 26 year old" 196 00:08:56:39 --> 00:09:00:14 "and a 30 year old as well, finishing kind of in different sherry casks." 197 00:09:00:26 --> 00:09:04:01 "And you can really think of that range as an exploration in Sherry Casks." 198 00:09:04:01 --> 00:09:08:15 "The 20 year old being finished in Oloroso, the 26 year old being finished" 199 00:09:08:15 --> 00:09:12:39 in Palo Cortado and the 30 year old has been finished in PX casks as well. 200 00:09:12:46 --> 00:09:14:42 So it's a huge range. 201 00:09:14:42 --> 00:09:16:29 Do you have a favorite? 202 00:09:16:29 --> 00:09:18:48 "I'm sure that's like asking someone to pick their favorite child, right?" 203 00:09:18:48 --> 00:09:21:06 "No, you're never meant to have one, but you totally do. Right?" 204 00:09:21:06 --> 00:09:24:33 So if I have to pick at a push, it's going to be the Dewars. 205 00:09:24:33 --> 00:09:26:27 Double, double, 26. 206 00:09:26:27 --> 00:09:30:31 "And I love this one because of the finishing casks," 207 00:09:30:31 --> 00:09:31:43 they've been used again for it. 208 00:09:31:43 --> 00:09:33:30 So really think of the double, 209 00:09:33:30 --> 00:09:37:02 "double range as an exploration in Sherry Cask finishing, as I say," 210 00:09:37:23 --> 00:09:41:12 "and probably the most interesting Sherry Cask you're going to find at the moment." 211 00:09:41:12 --> 00:09:45:07 "And one of the rarest as well is a cask called Palo Cortado." 212 00:09:45:36 --> 00:09:49:47 "And that again translates, I believe, as a stick that has been cut." 213 00:09:50:18 --> 00:09:52:46 "And again, that's because when they're they're producing the sherry" 214 00:09:53:06 --> 00:09:54:36 and it starts off aging, 215 00:09:54:36 --> 00:09:57:09 "we have the original mark from the sherry, as is a line," 216 00:09:57:24 --> 00:09:59:08 "and then something goes wrong with it almost." 217 00:09:59:08 --> 00:10:04:08 "It said kind of loses this layer of yeast that kind of dies away during the aging" 218 00:10:04:23 --> 00:10:07:20 and that gives it some really earthy kind of groundy, funky flavors 219 00:10:07:47 --> 00:10:09:36 "and some quite kind of zesty notes as well." 220 00:10:09:36 --> 00:10:13:25 "So it is known as the Winemaker's choice in Jerez, I think it's known" 221 00:10:13:25 --> 00:10:15:16 "as the Whisky maker's choice for us in Scotland." 222 00:10:15:16 --> 00:10:18:24 "Very unusual one to find, but gives you some really interesting notes." 223 00:10:18:37 --> 00:10:20:21 What's your thought in the nose there? 224 00:10:20:21 --> 00:10:21:30 It's quite light 225 00:10:21:42 --> 00:10:22:23 And again, 226 00:10:22:23 --> 00:10:26:11 "when people think Sherry, I think when you think of the Oloroso or you think PX," 227 00:10:26:42 --> 00:10:29:09 "those are kind of these are big rich dessert like" 228 00:10:29:38 --> 00:10:32:21 "sour flavors, you know, typical flavour note you get from sherry" 229 00:10:32:21 --> 00:10:35:12 "cask is like it's like Christmas cake in a glass, right?" 230 00:10:35:12 --> 00:10:35:49 So that's that kind of thing. 231 00:10:35:49 --> 00:10:38:32 "You think dried sort of rich fruits, Palo Cortado" 232 00:10:38:32 --> 00:10:39:31 It was not that at all. 233 00:10:39:31 --> 00:10:42:49 "As much lighter, again, you can see with this being all natural colour," 234 00:10:42:49 --> 00:10:48:27 "again, bottled at 46% as well and again, non chill filtered for us here." 235 00:10:48:49 --> 00:10:51:00 "You get a much lighter color coming through." 236 00:10:51:00 --> 00:10:53:21 "Again, that's because of the Sherry Casks that we've used here." 237 00:10:54:01 --> 00:10:57:01 "And it's a wonderfully rich around your nose, we have a little taste." 238 00:10:57:01 --> 00:10:57:25 Yeah, 239 00:11:02:37 --> 00:11:04:35 " You can see a little bit of that spice coming through," 240 00:11:04:35 --> 00:11:09:04 "but not that same kind of big rich cinnamon spice you find in all the Oloroso." 241 00:11:09:04 --> 00:11:11:05 "That's a little bit more of a kind of mellow spice. Yeah." 242 00:11:11:08 --> 00:11:12:09 I think with this now, 243 00:11:12:09 --> 00:11:14:11 "you know, for anyone watching, thinking how do I drink" 244 00:11:14:11 --> 00:11:15:46 "my whisky, you don't have to do it in these glasses." 245 00:11:15:46 --> 00:11:18:06 "But this is a great way if you're doing a nosing and tasting" 246 00:11:18:22 --> 00:11:21:13 "like we're doing now, kind of getting those flavours into the nose." 247 00:11:21:27 --> 00:11:23:06 And I always say, drink whisky. 248 00:11:23:06 --> 00:11:25:10 How you like it. There's no right or wrong. 249 00:11:25:10 --> 00:11:28:17 "But if you're trying to get the most from flavour, have a little taste neat." 250 00:11:28:17 --> 00:11:30:15 We say first without adding any water 251 00:11:30:15 --> 00:11:31:44 "and then just adding a couple of drops of water." 252 00:11:31:44 --> 00:11:32:38 And again, you know, 253 00:11:32:38 --> 00:11:35:36 "anyone who's adding water to the whisky, if you just watch that glass," 254 00:11:35:36 --> 00:11:38:20 I'll let you, a little water there. 255 00:11:38:20 --> 00:11:42:10 "You see all those lines appearing, all those fatty acids and those oils" 256 00:11:42:30 --> 00:11:45:18 "kind of breaking up in the glass and again, go back in with the nose." 257 00:11:45:18 --> 00:11:46:31 Now, do you see a bit of a difference? 258 00:11:46:31 --> 00:11:48:10 It opens it up much more. 259 00:11:48:10 --> 00:11:49:32 It really opens it up in the nose. 260 00:11:49:32 --> 00:11:51:48 "And I think it's you're you're really delving into those flavors." 261 00:11:51:48 --> 00:11:55:35 "Those are citrus notes I talked about that you find in the Palo Cortado with Sherry," 262 00:11:55:35 --> 00:11:57:49 "you can start to see some of that citrus coming through as well." 263 00:11:58:16 --> 00:12:01:05 "Again, some of these are earthy, kind of grounded notes in there, too." 264 00:12:01:24 --> 00:12:04:20 "A really complex whisky, I think you'll agree," 265 00:12:04:35 --> 00:12:07:11 "and definitely a favorite for me at the moment in the range." 266 00:12:07:11 --> 00:12:09:18 But you know, very hard to pick 267 00:12:09:48 --> 00:12:13:01 "if you're lucky enough to get to work your way through that range, do it right." 268 00:12:13:01 --> 00:12:15:24 "It's a it's an absolute treat. Thank you, Matthew." 269 00:12:15:27 --> 00:12:16:08 Thank you. 270 00:12:16:08 --> 00:12:19:41 Dewars have a massive range which I would highly recommend trying. 271 00:12:19:43 --> 00:12:23:21 "Join us on the next Whisky Conversations with Dufry podcasts." 272 00:12:23:47 --> 00:12:24:46 Cheers, cheers. 273 00:12:25:44 --> 00:12:28:13 Slainte 23758