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MUSIC: Afternoon Of A Fawn
by Claude Debussy
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The life of a competitive figure
skater is like a monk.
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When there's ice, you go and you
skate on it,
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11 o'clock at night, 12 o'clock at
night, one o'clock at night.
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There is no opportunity
for friends and family.
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If you fall, nobody's going to pick
you up.
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It's only you.
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You live, breathe, and die alone.
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Our castaway this week is the best
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skater in the world,
and his name is John Curry.
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I wanted to be a dancer.
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I was allowed to ice skate.
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Because it was a sport,
they thought it was OK.
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John was the first one to really
merge this deep expressiveness
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of dance
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with the athletic virtuosity
of skating.
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in a different way.
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He was breaking ground as an artist
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and as a star athlete.
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He said, "Whatever greatness
you think I have,
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"there are demons of equal value
that are inside of my soul."
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POLICE SIRENS, HORN BEEPS
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Summer 1971,
John appears on our doorstep.
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All he had were his skates
and his talent.
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He needed a place to stay,
rent-free,
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and my mother often opened our house
to skaters.
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He was very shy at first.
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It took him a long time to open up.
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All of a sudden, he just started
to click with all of us.
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And most importantly,
he clicked with my mother.
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I think the really amazing thing is
that he shared with my mother that
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he wanted to not just be a
competitive skater
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and go for the Olympics,
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but that he had
a vision beyond that,
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which was to create a theatre of
skating and a dance company.
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She believed in him in a way that
no-one else did at that time.
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Dear Nancy. It seems more like five
weeks than five days
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since I left you
in the enchanted city.
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My heart aches for New York.
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In a strange way, I feel
that England has betrayed me.
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I can't quite explain it,
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but as time goes by,
perhaps I'll find the words.
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They were like kindred artistic
souls.
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As soon as the competitive season
was over, back to New York
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he would come, to kind of recharge
and refuel.
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I really think that he felt in our
home
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a calm that he had not experienced
growing up at all.
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CLASSICAL HARP
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Well, I was first drawn to dancing
and acting,
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and I asked if I could go to
ballet classes.
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I remember being taken into the
sitting room and my mother saying,
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"Can I take John to ballet lessons?"
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And my father getting quite cross
and saying,
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"No, absolutely could not."
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And that was the end of that.
And it was never brought up again.
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Richard Button of Philadelphia,
who is North American and...
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When I saw ice skating on the
television a little later,
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I asked if I could go skating
and I was told "yes."
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Because ice skating is protected
by the umbrella of sport.
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..1947 World Championships and will
represent us when the Olympic
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contestants gather
from all parts of the world.
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I remember very clearly the very
first time
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I put a pair of skates on.
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I had a teacher that held my hand.
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I said, "Oh, no, you don't need to
hold my hand. I can do this."
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And I just skated off.
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From then on, we used to take him
twice a week, or I had,
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just as a hobby.
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He was very interested and always
wanted to skate
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a bit more than anybody else.
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Just as a seven-year-old,
I started to think of skating
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as being a dancing on the ice. I
didn't think of it as anything else.
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One Christmas time, I was given £5
to buy something for myself
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by my father. And I went and
bought...
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Don't ask me why I chose them,
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maybe it had to do with the covers
of the records,
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but I chose Scheherazade,
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The Nutcracker, and Swan Lake, none
of which I'd ever heard before.
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I was very, very pleased and excited
by what I'd bought.
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And I went to my father and showed
him what I'd bought,
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and he was very disappointed.
And he said, "Oh, dear.
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"I thought you might buy something
you'd keep."
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I think John had a very difficult
childhood because of his father.
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And skating became the escape.
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I was always pretty private as a
child.
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And the ice only made that easier
for me, in a way.
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It was my world where I could go
and be free and alone.
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To me, the music said exactly what
it wanted me to do.
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When I stopped looking
like a little boy
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and started to look like a young
man,
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then suddenly all the things
that I had done up until then,
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absolutely with everyone's blessing,
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I was told I should stop doing.
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I was told I shouldn't use my arms,
I shouldn't do spirals,
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I shouldn't try and make everything
look so effortless and graceful.
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I was actually told
not to be so graceful.
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And I couldn't understand why.
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And it was because they couldn't
accept it from a young man,
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which they could from a child.
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Men who choose to love other men are
treated not only
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with intolerance and contempt,
but prosecuted and jailed.
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It's estimated
that one man in 20 is a homosexual.
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For many of us, this is revolting,
men dancing with men.
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Homosexuals in this country today
break the law.
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I can't imagine what John must have
felt to have realised that you're
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different and that difference is
something that is looked down upon
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with shame and loathing.
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There may be some in this
auditorium.
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There may be some here today that
will be homosexual in the future.
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There may be some girls that will
turn lesbian.
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But it's serious.
Don't kid yourselves about it.
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So if any one of you have let
yourself become involved
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with another boy,
you better stop quick,
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because one out of three of you
will turn queer.
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The rest of your life will be
a living hell.
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I saw him in Prague.
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I must have been about 16, 17.
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And John was maybe a year younger.
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I just saw him on the ice
and I thought it was so natural,
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and so wonderful.
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Beautiful arms, a great back,
and the head up.
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It was just perfect.
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It was just so different
to anyone else.
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Two more minutes of this five-minute
programme left...
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I just went up to him and asked him,
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would he think that it's possible
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that I come and train
at the same rink
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as he is in England?
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And then he said, "Yeah."
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I could come for a summer vacation.
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I've asked John if I could live
maybe with him.
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Mrs Curry said yes.
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I never knew that he was gay then.
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That came later on
when he lived in London.
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Youth, the swinging youth,
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who have given staid and sober old
London its recent swinging metaphor.
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Out of the blue he said,
"Oh, I fancy you."
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I thought, "What does that mean?"
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I soon found out.
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I just hugged him and kissed him
and that was when it started.
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Yeah, I started to become
in love with him.
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John came home, put on music.
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He danced and he choreographed
in the living room.
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I think he was also deeply in love.
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Switzerland and London wasn't
next door to one another.
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We wrote to one another.
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It was almost the daily thing to do.
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Dear Heinz.
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I guess it will be Saturday or maybe
Friday when you receive this letter.
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I always feel very lonely
on Friday nights.
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In the week, there is skating
and work, but the weekend,
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I have time to think.
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Thinking is the worst thing
a person can do...!
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I just want to hold you and feel
your arms around me,
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just to feel you love me.
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I think he was very often depressed.
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Very often.
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I got a job in a supermarket.
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I was always absolutely stony broke.
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I used to really worry most of the
time about money
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rather than worrying
about skating. It was very hard.
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I trained at Richmond ice rink,
which is a good ice rink,
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but is open to the public.
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And there's just no way you can
train
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in a public session
with 300 or 400 people.
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Everything was unpleasant, you know?
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It just wasn't nice at all and
I really got quite turned off to it.
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Dear Heinz.
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I'm sorry about my shaky writing,
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but I worked so hard this morning
and I haven't stopped shaking yet.
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I did figures from 6:15am to 7:45am,
more figures 8:20am to 9:10am.
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Then I free skating
from 9:15am to 12:30pm.
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I wanted to ask you
if I could borrow some money.
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I have very little left and
I think Mr Gerschwiler
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may stop teaching me
until I repay him.
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I've had the most frightening dreams
again.
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I dream my father comes into the
bedroom and wakes me up -
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and then I do wake up, I think,
and I see him still there,
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but I think I'm still asleep
and that I only dream I wake up.
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I just know that his father was
dead. He died somehow.
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He didn't want to talk about it.
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He just said he died
in not very nice circumstances.
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And that was the end of it.
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His father's death had a big impact
on him,
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even though the thought that it was
a suicide
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was something that he had
a very difficult time accepting.
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There was a relief in a way
that might horrify some people,
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but he was totally relieved.
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CHA-CHA MUSIC PLAYS
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We went out together sometimes
in London.
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Then he met other guys also.
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Dear Heinz.
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I don't know quite how to start,
so...
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My last letter came to you
from London -
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I'd been wandering about all day.
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I went into the Colville and that is
where I met Gilles.
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I didn't think I'd get entangled
because he's so good-looking.
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I thought he must be able to have
any boy he wanted.
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But it hasn't worked out like that.
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I'm living with him at weekends, and
in August I'm moving in completely.
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You must be very angry with me,
and I cannot blame you.
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I would like to have you always
as my friend,
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but I have no right even to that.
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I didn't take much notice then.
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I just thought,
"Oh, it's another one."
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I much rather would have had him
for myself.
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I'm probably not the easiest person
to befriend.
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I'm being honest about that.
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But I think real friends are
very few and far between.
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And I'm very lucky,
I have a handful.
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I knew that I was probably the most
important for him,
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which has made it easier also
for me.
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The friendship with John was the
most important thing in my life.
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Dear Heinz. I've never been so
miserable anywhere in my life.
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There is not one thing I can say
I like about the place.
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Today, Mr G said, "You must not do
that again. It is too..."
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"Too what?" I said.
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Then he said the music was not
strong enough
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and I could do much better.
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I am fed up of
everything I do is "too soft" -
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he said,
"You will skate like a man!"
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I said, "I don't want to skate
like any man I have ever seen!"
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he was world champion about
ten years ago.
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He was noted for his high jumps and
his extremely athletic style.
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What we are going to do is
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you're going to see a piece of
Donald Jackson's
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World Championship performance, and
then I'm going to skate to the same
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piece of music, doing it
the way I would like to do it now,
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using the whole body
and trying to express the music.
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MUSIC: Habanera
by George Bizet
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I wanted to skate better than anyone
I had ever seen skate before,
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in a different way.
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And I wanted to be able to convince
people in general
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that skating had more to offer
than was generally seen.
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I knew that the only way
I'd ever get to be able to do it
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was by winning the Olympics.
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John Curry, a whirlwind of talent,
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is the stuff of which excellence
is made.
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He is Britain's best skater.
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It's only by leaving Britain that
John Curry has been able to make his
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talent shine.
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Dear Heinz.
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How clever of you to guess
I'd be here!
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The thermometer shows the
temperature has gone up a couple -
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it's now 42 here at the
KOA Weather Centre.
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The last few months have been
among the best of my life.
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I've lived in great style
in beautiful places,
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skating to my heart's content.
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I don't really fully understand what
brought me to the green pasture.
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By rights I should be in very
different circumstances.
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The man who made it all lovely is
a friendly,
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American millionaire
who saw in John Curry
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a talent floundering in frustration.
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It was a story out of Cinderella
on Ice.
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After the World Championships in
Bratislava,
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a man walked up to me and said,
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"I have enjoyed your skating for the
last three years.
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"You given a great deal of pleasure
and I'd like to help you."
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I had the financial resources
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that are more than I myself think
I'll need
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for the rest of my life, and I don't
like to see people with real talent
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have to stop
just for the want of money.
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Suddenly, I could put all my energy
into the skating.
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I never, ever had to think about
money again.
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He gave Curry the money to buy what
he needed most -
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freedom, time, ice...
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..and the best coach in the world.
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Down, up. OK.
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The second one...
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My husband was very hesitant
taking him
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because he had heard many stories,
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you know, that he was difficult
and so on.
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Don't get upset for nothing,
like sometimes you get it.
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We honestly never had any problems.
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As a matter of fact,
we were good friends.
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There. That's just lazy.
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He knew what he wanted,
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but he had very bad figures and my
husband was very famous
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Top-class skating is divided into
two parts.
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Figure skating, crisp circles,
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sliced into the ice
in perfect symmetry.
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The figures is demanding.
It was very boring for many people.
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For him, it wasn't boring.
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It's like, you learn the piano,
what do you have to learn first?
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The scales, or whatever.
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The second part is the interpretive
freestyle,
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a strenuous marriage of technique
and exuberant artistry.
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John was known as a skater
that was very talented,
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but he many times blew it
at the last minute.
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He was always quite inconsistent.
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John always was nervous
about the jumps.
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In Munich, '74, he fell apart.
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He skates around
in a catatonic state.
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We've all got problems.
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If you don't have any problems,
you aren't here.
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I took a course at the
Erhart Seminar Training, EST.
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If you were not a success,
in other words
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if you weren't filling your need
for love and belongingness
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you wouldn't be here tonight.
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You'd more likely be
institutionalised.
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I took it because there was
absolutely no point
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in working hard for a year
and going to the Olympics
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and being nervous about not
performing my best.
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They had to scream on top of their
lungs
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and tell all of their insecurities
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in front of many, many people.
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They had a certain thought process
that they had to go through.
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Life has changed totally.
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That really helped him be able
to focus
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and to not get nervous any more.
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Before every performance, he had to
go into a quiet little room
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and I would stay there behind
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watching that nobody would come in,
and he would do his
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thinking through everything
and then come out,
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completely, like, in the zone.
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I had so geared myself to winning,
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I saw myself doing it all the time,
in my mind's eye,
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I saw myself doing it.
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Dear Nancy. Here we are in 1975.
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'75 sounds like
the end of the century to me.
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I feel very happy with the progress
I've made during 1974.
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It's been a terrifically exciting
year for me
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and the happiest of my life.
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We're living in an age of such
widespread uncertainty and darkness
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that I feel doubly lucky.
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I owe so much to you and
a few others.
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Perhaps one day I'll create
something so beautiful,
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the debt will be settled.
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Now, then, you may remember that on
Thursday
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I said I'd been meeting
another John.
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Today he's the new European men's
silver medallist skating
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champion, John Curry.
Many congratulations.
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You've got your silver medal with
you, if we can have a quick look.
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Yes, I think it means,
"He who deserves it gets it."
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Well, you certainly deserved it.
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And you seem very pleased with the
marks that you got.
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In fact, we can watch this again
now, to see how you reacted.
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John, what did you think of your
chances over there,
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especially with the Russian skaters?
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Well, I knew that I'd have to do
very well in the school figures
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to have a chance, but I thought I'd
be around...
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Well, in the first three.
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When there's unrest, the Reds have
only one answer - a show of might.
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When you get international,
it isn't Bill versus Joe.
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It's Britain versus East Germany
or the Russian skaters.
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Yes, it was very political.
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The Russians always wanted to be
on top.
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If Curry's name was Gorinski
or Grovkovski, or Koralev,
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he'd probably be world champion
of the last two years.
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You don't think the Russians can
skate, for instance, do you,
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the males? I don't, no.
What's wrong with them?
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They are so crude,
they're so unmusical,
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and they don't have... No quality.
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It makes me so cross when they say
the Russian skaters are so balletic,
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they are so wonderful, they're
so trained.
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I know the Russian skaters better
than most,
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and I know how bad they are
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and I know that they won't take
a ballet class.
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I know all that side of it
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and it makes me really cross
when I hear it.
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The most important day in a
competition for me was
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when they drew the judges. I would
just sit there counting East, West.
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I'd go, one for East Germany, one
for Britain,
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and go through it that way.
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When you had five Eastern Bloc
judges,
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you'd kiss your chances goodbye.
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You appreciate that what you
are actually saying is that skating
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is corrupt? Yes, it is. The whole
system is very, very corrupt.
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I had the feeling that he's probably
one of the best,
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if not the best skater
that ever came.
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The only doubt was how to convince
the other people,
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many coaches, judges,
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they thought that skating was only
jump and run, jump and run.
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Nobody really liked
his way of skating.
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I changed my attitude.
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I set the programme so that
no-one could miss the difficulty
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of what I was doing.
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Most people take two to three months
to put together
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a free skating programme.
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John actually choreographed it
on the aeroplane between
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Manhattan and Denver.
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He just had a vision.
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I think he did 25 perfect programmes
before we went to the Europeans.
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Don't be psyched out by any Russian
or by any East German,
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just go down and look the best.
You ARE the best.
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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
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Now in the finals of the men's
figure skating event,
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here is, from Great Britain,
John Curry.
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He called me the day before the
Europeans
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and said, "There are five Eastern
judges
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"to four Western judges."
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I think I won't have a chance.
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John was up against
a political situation.
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John is one point behind the leader
after short programme results.
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Don Quixote was really his way of
saying,
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"I'm trying to do the impossible
and I still believe."
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His lessons of psychology
did work very well.
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It was amazing for me at that time,
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to see that this person has just
turned himself on like a machine.
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Then go ahead and do exactly what
he's supposed to do
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without any mistakes.
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CHEERING
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The Czechoslovakian judge
breaks rank.
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And he votes for John.
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And now John is the European
champion going into the Olympics,
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and that shifted everything.
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The Winter Olympics of 1976.
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The British team, led by Britain's
gold medal hope, skater John Curry.
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You've come here as a favourite
for the gold medal.
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You don't feel too overconfident
at all?
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No, I know...
Well, no, I don't think so.
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If I'd been beaten in Europeans,
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I would have come, thinking,
"All right,
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"they are going to beat me again."
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But now, I think, now I CAN beat
them. I know I can.
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There's something different about
the Olympics.
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It is your one shot.
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It's do or die
in front of the entire world.
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Every decision you've ever made,
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every hardship you've ever gone
through,
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the pressure of your entire life
riding on six minutes.
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John Curry, champion of Great
Britain, champion of Europe.
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John knew if he did not win
the Olympic gold medal
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that he would not be able to form
his own dance company,
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that nobody would accept him.
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He was very determined.
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"I'm going to skate
and I'm going to win."
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Most skaters come along and
they take ballet lessons.
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They don't translate it to ice.
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He's done it. A triple toe loop,
a double toe salchow
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and a triple salchow,
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in that opening 45 seconds of the
programme.
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He was different.
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His positions and body lines
were superb.
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What a beautiful spin. Absolutely
on the spot.
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This is great artistic skating.
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I remember standing at the Olympics
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and just watching this moment of
perfection.
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Double axle, two and a half turns.
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When he hit the spread eagle
at the end,
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he must have known it was the
performance of his life
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and that was it.
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John Curry did not put a foot wrong.
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John Curry has won the Olympic
gold medal for figure skating.
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The judges had come to me and said,
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"Finally, we've found a balance
between artistry and athleticism."
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And I hope that it will influence
skating.
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Mrs Curry, you must be very, very
proud indeed.
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I am. I'm so pleased for John.
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Well, you must be very proud
tonight.
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I am. I am. Listen.
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For once, I'd done it right.
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Can you imagine what it would be
like to wake up,
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having won a gold medal,
your dream since you were a child,
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and then to go to a press conference
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where you've already been warned
that the major thing of interest
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00:33:21,467 --> 00:33:24,094
amongst all the press
as to whether he, John,
458
00:33:24,094 --> 00:33:26,638
was going to tell them
whether or not he was gay?
459
00:33:34,271 --> 00:33:37,316
Nobody was openly gay,
whether they were gay or not.
460
00:33:40,986 --> 00:33:44,823
It certainly wasn't the accepted
thing to have a gold medallist in an
461
00:33:44,823 --> 00:33:46,617
Olympic sport who was a gay man.
462
00:33:53,248 --> 00:33:55,876
I had thought if I said
to a journalist,
463
00:33:55,876 --> 00:33:57,419
"This is off the record,"
464
00:33:57,419 --> 00:34:00,297
that it meant that they wouldn't say
anything about it.
465
00:34:03,550 --> 00:34:08,430
A lot of people said that I, quote,
"came out" at the Olympics.
466
00:34:10,849 --> 00:34:14,228
But I didn't. I never intentionally
set out to make a statement.
467
00:34:16,939 --> 00:34:18,649
But then, having done it,
468
00:34:18,649 --> 00:34:21,401
I'm not going to turn round and
say that it's not true
469
00:34:21,401 --> 00:34:23,654
or I'm ashamed of it
or anything else.
470
00:34:29,826 --> 00:34:35,082
But suddenly, I became aware of a
great wave of support, real support,
471
00:34:36,375 --> 00:34:39,545
that came from England,
which was awfully nice.
472
00:34:39,545 --> 00:34:41,630
I'd never experienced
anything like that.
473
00:34:41,630 --> 00:34:43,799
I actually thought people wanted me
to do well.
474
00:34:50,764 --> 00:34:54,643
Every letter I've had has been about
my skating.
475
00:34:54,643 --> 00:34:58,397
They're not interesting in knowing
what I do in my private life.
476
00:34:59,523 --> 00:35:02,943
And the winner, the BBC Sports
Personality Of The Year,
477
00:35:02,943 --> 00:35:05,362
the viewers' choice, John Curry.
478
00:35:05,362 --> 00:35:07,072
Ladies and gentlemen, John Curry.
479
00:35:08,782 --> 00:35:10,450
Sante. Cheers.
480
00:35:14,246 --> 00:35:18,709
Dear Nancy. My week in England has
been extremely exciting.
481
00:35:18,709 --> 00:35:23,255
Yesterday, I was guest of honour at
the Award For Valour in sport.
482
00:35:23,255 --> 00:35:26,341
I was introduced as,
"A man of great social courage."
483
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,054
I've never thought of myself in that
light.
484
00:35:32,514 --> 00:35:36,018
Mother has been wonderful about
everything.
485
00:35:36,018 --> 00:35:39,521
We talked about my being gay and
she was so kind and understanding.
486
00:35:41,189 --> 00:35:43,150
That has been one of the greatest
things
487
00:35:43,150 --> 00:35:44,818
to have come out of the Olympics.
488
00:35:48,196 --> 00:35:50,532
In the middle of London's West End
Theatreland,
489
00:35:50,532 --> 00:35:54,077
it's the only Playhouse whose boards
are made of water.
490
00:35:54,077 --> 00:35:57,873
Transforming the Cambridge into the
John Curry Theatre of skating.
491
00:35:59,499 --> 00:36:02,544
Describe the show. Is it like ice
shows we've always seen,
492
00:36:02,544 --> 00:36:05,255
with glitter and ultraviolet,
underwater scenes?
493
00:36:05,255 --> 00:36:06,798
Well, I hope not!
494
00:36:08,425 --> 00:36:12,346
I think having trained for 15 years
and then you have to go and dress up
495
00:36:12,346 --> 00:36:15,307
as Donald Duck or Bugs Bunny,
I can't see the point of that.
496
00:36:20,312 --> 00:36:22,397
What I've always wanted to do was
497
00:36:22,397 --> 00:36:25,567
to take the finest skaters
I could find,
498
00:36:25,567 --> 00:36:29,905
bring them to very fine
choreographers, good musicians,
499
00:36:29,905 --> 00:36:34,284
and creative designers
and put the whole thing together.
500
00:36:38,372 --> 00:36:41,875
When we were young, we skated
together, we practised together.
501
00:36:41,875 --> 00:36:46,129
And we would talk about having this
wonderful ballet company on ice.
502
00:36:48,215 --> 00:36:50,467
So, when John did turn professional,
503
00:36:50,467 --> 00:36:53,053
he came into my dressing room and
he said,
504
00:36:53,053 --> 00:36:54,805
"You're the first person I've asked.
505
00:36:54,805 --> 00:36:58,266
"Would you like to become a member
of my skating company?"
506
00:37:02,646 --> 00:37:05,482
My eyes lit up. I thought, "This is
what I've always wanted."
507
00:37:09,945 --> 00:37:12,406
It's lovely for me to be on the ice
with other people.
508
00:37:12,406 --> 00:37:16,243
I love that because, you know, often
I used to be skating and thinking,
509
00:37:16,243 --> 00:37:20,247
"It would be so nice to have someone
to relate to and to sort of skate to
510
00:37:20,247 --> 00:37:22,082
"and with." And now,
511
00:37:22,082 --> 00:37:24,418
I skate with one other person and
two other people
512
00:37:24,418 --> 00:37:26,211
and sometimes with six other people.
513
00:37:26,211 --> 00:37:29,256
And that's lovely. That's like a
whole new feeling for me.
514
00:37:32,592 --> 00:37:36,805
It's not ballet. On the ice, we can
move in a way that no-one else can.
515
00:37:43,603 --> 00:37:46,773
Would you ever now consider taking
those skates off and making
516
00:37:46,773 --> 00:37:48,567
a career as a dancer?
517
00:37:49,526 --> 00:37:51,319
I don't think I would, seriously,
518
00:37:51,319 --> 00:37:54,114
because I haven't really finished
learning to skate yet,
519
00:37:54,114 --> 00:37:57,826
so I'm certainly not going to start
thinking about anything else.
520
00:38:12,174 --> 00:38:14,551
Once the doors opened, he said,
521
00:38:14,551 --> 00:38:17,220
"I've just got to do something right
away
522
00:38:17,220 --> 00:38:19,139
"that will get everyone to
523
00:38:19,139 --> 00:38:22,225
"shift...their perspective of
skating."
524
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:32,861
And what a perfect vehicle
was Afternoon Of A Fawn.
525
00:38:34,863 --> 00:38:36,782
Because of its ballet history.
526
00:38:40,827 --> 00:38:44,539
I mean, if he ever wanted to bring
ballet to the ice, this was it.
527
00:38:55,842 --> 00:38:59,262
It's the piece which is his defining
moment.
528
00:39:11,483 --> 00:39:15,946
The story is there is a fawn who's
alone in a forest...
529
00:39:19,157 --> 00:39:21,243
..and encounters a nymph...
530
00:39:35,006 --> 00:39:38,510
..and captures the nymph,
fleetingly.
531
00:39:44,766 --> 00:39:47,185
And then the nymph escapes again,
532
00:39:47,185 --> 00:39:49,145
as if it's almost, like, too much.
533
00:40:06,580 --> 00:40:10,834
It is very intimate and I would say
it's a very sensual piece.
534
00:40:14,546 --> 00:40:16,339
There was the Nijinsky ballet.
535
00:40:17,382 --> 00:40:19,467
And then there was the
Jerome Robbins ballet.
536
00:40:20,802 --> 00:40:23,096
But the movements and the way they
were all presented
537
00:40:23,096 --> 00:40:24,389
were very different.
538
00:40:26,474 --> 00:40:30,228
In skating, you can hold a pose,
not move a muscle,
539
00:40:30,228 --> 00:40:31,938
and you're still moving.
540
00:40:41,740 --> 00:40:44,284
There's one section where they
crisscross
541
00:40:44,284 --> 00:40:46,369
and they're both holding a pose.
542
00:40:46,369 --> 00:40:48,830
And the audience holds their breath.
543
00:40:48,830 --> 00:40:50,624
And then he pushes backwards.
544
00:40:53,710 --> 00:40:58,632
And what you feel is the power and
the purity of just the glide alone.
545
00:41:07,390 --> 00:41:12,020
That's what separates his Afternoon
Of A Fawn from the dance versions.
546
00:41:16,483 --> 00:41:20,612
The Afternoon Of A Fawn is about
intimacy, lust, and love.
547
00:41:23,281 --> 00:41:27,035
Here are these two dancers
performing something very intimate.
548
00:41:28,286 --> 00:41:29,829
But not really connecting.
549
00:41:33,792 --> 00:41:35,543
Feeling like this is too close.
550
00:41:35,543 --> 00:41:38,296
"This is too close.
It's too much.
551
00:41:38,296 --> 00:41:40,006
"I can't do it."
552
00:41:43,259 --> 00:41:45,261
And so then they flee
from each other.
553
00:41:49,766 --> 00:41:53,812
When they're done, you wonder,
was it real
554
00:41:53,812 --> 00:41:55,939
or was it a dream?
555
00:42:05,532 --> 00:42:08,201
And maybe that was part
of the pattern of his life.
556
00:42:08,201 --> 00:42:12,497
What he yearned for so much was
maybe more than what
557
00:42:12,497 --> 00:42:17,669
he may have been capable of stepping
into, with his full, full being.
558
00:42:23,758 --> 00:42:25,677
That was when Ron came on the scene.
559
00:42:27,429 --> 00:42:29,097
Ron was his downfall.
560
00:42:35,645 --> 00:42:38,648
Ron was big
and he wasn't a good skater.
561
00:42:40,608 --> 00:42:43,945
Some of us wondered
how on earth he was in the show.
562
00:42:45,780 --> 00:42:49,826
They had a relationship,
everybody in the company knew.
563
00:42:49,826 --> 00:42:53,621
And John seemed happier, less moody.
564
00:42:54,914 --> 00:42:59,002
I know that he liked someone
a bit rough.
565
00:42:59,002 --> 00:43:01,504
He enjoyed that, more than anything.
566
00:43:02,672 --> 00:43:07,385
Ron was all into this S&M stuff -
chains and handcuffs.
567
00:43:07,385 --> 00:43:10,013
I think that Ron took him to places
568
00:43:10,013 --> 00:43:13,183
he probably wouldn't have gone to
before.
569
00:43:15,977 --> 00:43:17,645
I never liked Ron.
570
00:43:17,645 --> 00:43:22,817
Ron was at least as tough on John
than John was on all of his friends.
571
00:43:24,069 --> 00:43:26,821
I think John had this hidden shame,
572
00:43:26,821 --> 00:43:30,325
so this punishing thing got
more and more...
573
00:43:32,410 --> 00:43:34,454
There was one night he came in,
574
00:43:34,454 --> 00:43:36,706
John was in front of a mirror
575
00:43:36,706 --> 00:43:40,126
and his face was really badly
bruised and cut.
576
00:43:41,419 --> 00:43:43,671
And he said
that he had been attacked.
577
00:43:45,173 --> 00:43:46,508
He had been mugged.
578
00:43:49,385 --> 00:43:51,930
The show went on for about ten days
without him.
579
00:44:05,110 --> 00:44:07,987
John Curry now lives in New York and
is rehearsing with noted
580
00:44:07,987 --> 00:44:11,533
choreographers here in Westchester
for the first American tour of his
581
00:44:11,533 --> 00:44:13,618
newly formed company.
582
00:44:13,618 --> 00:44:16,746
You go... One, two, three...
583
00:44:18,498 --> 00:44:21,960
Is it possible to go... One...
584
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,921
One...two, three.
585
00:44:24,921 --> 00:44:27,715
So...
HE WHISTLES THE MELODY
586
00:44:30,343 --> 00:44:31,761
We just need the beginning.
587
00:44:41,938 --> 00:44:43,898
OK. One more time.
588
00:44:43,898 --> 00:44:47,235
It's just the beginning, you stay
and then... Just a little bit.
589
00:45:00,415 --> 00:45:02,041
And then now.
590
00:45:02,041 --> 00:45:03,543
That's right, OK?
591
00:45:04,752 --> 00:45:06,713
OK. Now, we were here.
592
00:45:06,713 --> 00:45:10,091
Yeah. Bam ka-bam.
593
00:45:12,427 --> 00:45:16,055
Yeah? Bam. Yeah.
594
00:45:16,055 --> 00:45:17,724
Then you can go... Yeah.
595
00:45:20,018 --> 00:45:21,769
One, two.
596
00:45:23,521 --> 00:45:26,065
Not too big a jump. One, two, three.
597
00:45:30,528 --> 00:45:35,241
One, one, two, three, four.
598
00:45:35,241 --> 00:45:37,869
One, so maybe that way.
599
00:45:37,869 --> 00:45:40,622
Two, two, three, four.
600
00:45:41,789 --> 00:45:44,125
So nice when somebody tells me
to do less,
601
00:45:44,125 --> 00:45:46,794
because everybody's usually
telling me to do more!
602
00:45:46,794 --> 00:45:48,171
From the beginning.
603
00:45:55,386 --> 00:45:57,972
The show at the Minskoff...
604
00:45:59,224 --> 00:46:01,517
The lights of Broadway.
605
00:46:06,606 --> 00:46:09,025
There was a symphony,
there was a stage.
606
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,112
There was great lighting,
there was great scenic design.
607
00:46:18,993 --> 00:46:22,413
Tango-Tango with JoJo Starbuck.
That was a standout.
608
00:46:28,753 --> 00:46:33,132
It shows John in a whole other
stylistic kind of milieu.
609
00:46:33,132 --> 00:46:36,219
He's almost like the macho dancer
there.
610
00:46:38,846 --> 00:46:41,808
And then JoJo,
who's a very strong female,
611
00:46:41,808 --> 00:46:46,104
pulling him in and manipulating him
almost, if you look at the movement.
612
00:46:49,565 --> 00:46:51,317
And yet he has the last word.
613
00:46:58,533 --> 00:47:02,370
When someone has made inroads -
like John did - into an art form,
614
00:47:02,370 --> 00:47:06,791
when someone is an innovator and has
changed the way that we looked at
615
00:47:06,791 --> 00:47:09,294
skating, in this instance...
616
00:47:11,587 --> 00:47:14,215
New Yorkers built a pedestal for him
617
00:47:14,215 --> 00:47:17,510
and made a great noise about his
excellence.
618
00:47:23,850 --> 00:47:27,520
We had a lot of wonderfully famous
people who came to see the show.
619
00:47:29,939 --> 00:47:34,444
Ballet dancers, actors -
Woody Allen, Diana Ross.
620
00:47:38,197 --> 00:47:40,450
He just loved the energy of
the city.
621
00:47:42,618 --> 00:47:45,747
He loved everything about it,
he loved taking his dance classes,
622
00:47:45,747 --> 00:47:47,040
he loved the social scene.
623
00:47:51,502 --> 00:47:54,464
And, of course,
connecting with a lot of men.
624
00:47:59,260 --> 00:48:00,470
Dearest Heinz.
625
00:48:00,470 --> 00:48:02,847
You really would love New York.
626
00:48:02,847 --> 00:48:05,016
It's SUCH an exciting city.
627
00:48:05,016 --> 00:48:07,810
There are hundreds of beautiful men
walking about
628
00:48:07,810 --> 00:48:10,563
and most of them seem to be gay.
629
00:48:10,563 --> 00:48:14,359
There's a gay place in the park that
is very busy in the daytime
630
00:48:14,359 --> 00:48:16,235
and I guess even busier by night.
631
00:48:18,029 --> 00:48:21,115
The gay community was really sort of
coming into its own,
632
00:48:21,115 --> 00:48:25,536
able to experience the gamut of
their sexual desires,
633
00:48:25,536 --> 00:48:27,747
without consequence.
634
00:48:30,875 --> 00:48:33,586
There was some arguments between
John and Ron
635
00:48:33,586 --> 00:48:35,671
and there was a big change in John.
636
00:48:39,133 --> 00:48:43,346
When things go wrong they, you know,
tend to create their own problems.
637
00:48:46,849 --> 00:48:51,729
There was one tragic night
at the Minskoff.
638
00:48:51,729 --> 00:48:55,858
John came out to do his solo
and he was off balance.
639
00:48:57,402 --> 00:49:01,030
He went into his sit spin and he
spun round on his bottom
640
00:49:01,030 --> 00:49:03,324
and sat there, like this, and
641
00:49:03,324 --> 00:49:06,452
obviously there was something
very wrong.
642
00:49:09,664 --> 00:49:13,292
And John was breaking down,
sobbing like a baby.
643
00:49:15,169 --> 00:49:17,255
Somebody said it was muscle
relaxants,
644
00:49:17,255 --> 00:49:20,049
somebody said something else.
Nobody really knew.
645
00:49:21,551 --> 00:49:24,137
After that, the show was stopped.
646
00:49:24,137 --> 00:49:27,265
MUSIC: Echo Beach
by Martha And The Muffins
647
00:49:44,574 --> 00:49:47,660
Fire Island is an island
off the coast of New York.
648
00:49:49,370 --> 00:49:51,205
Gay nirvana.
649
00:49:53,249 --> 00:49:55,501
There was a community there
called The Pines.
650
00:49:57,336 --> 00:50:00,131
John, I think, felt very much
at home,
651
00:50:00,131 --> 00:50:02,383
and that he was amongst his people.
652
00:50:02,383 --> 00:50:07,263
He was able to be fully expressive,
to be VERY open about his sexuality.
653
00:50:10,933 --> 00:50:16,105
It was a chance to recover from the
pressure that had mounted
654
00:50:16,105 --> 00:50:18,065
throughout his life.
655
00:50:18,065 --> 00:50:22,111
He would rent a house there and
invite various friends to come
656
00:50:22,111 --> 00:50:24,197
and visit.
657
00:50:24,197 --> 00:50:27,158
You have to remember he had spent
much of his time
658
00:50:27,158 --> 00:50:30,411
going into very cold
ice rinks early in the morning.
659
00:50:30,411 --> 00:50:34,582
The opposite of that was
Fire Island, in every way.
660
00:50:36,125 --> 00:50:41,380
It was sunny, it was the beach,
there was really no responsibility.
661
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,302
There was a party crowd.
662
00:50:48,429 --> 00:50:50,681
They were determined
to have a good time!
663
00:50:52,850 --> 00:50:54,060
And we did.
664
00:50:54,060 --> 00:50:56,562
# The sky's alive with light
665
00:50:58,314 --> 00:51:01,943
# Building in the distance
Surrealistic sight
666
00:51:04,237 --> 00:51:08,741
# On Echo Beach
Waves make the only sound
667
00:51:10,117 --> 00:51:13,538
# On Echo Beach
There's not a soul around... #
668
00:51:16,207 --> 00:51:18,459
Dearest Cath. Well, as you can
imagine,
669
00:51:18,459 --> 00:51:21,420
life has been rather hectic for me
these past weeks.
670
00:51:21,420 --> 00:51:24,382
Still, I guess
I can live through it.
671
00:51:24,382 --> 00:51:28,344
The summer is over and I'm getting
used to the idea of living alone.
672
00:51:28,344 --> 00:51:30,513
Still miss Ron.
673
00:51:30,513 --> 00:51:32,515
I do hope we shall skate more.
674
00:51:34,225 --> 00:51:37,103
I was in Fire Island
and he was sitting
675
00:51:37,103 --> 00:51:40,314
on one of those woodland walkway
things.
676
00:51:40,314 --> 00:51:43,234
I said, "Hello,
what are you doing?"
677
00:51:43,234 --> 00:51:46,654
And he said, "I was just wondering
what it would feel like to drown."
678
00:51:48,531 --> 00:51:52,118
We had a very long conversation
about how depressed he was.
679
00:51:52,118 --> 00:51:54,245
He was very lonely.
680
00:51:54,245 --> 00:51:59,083
To cut a long story short,
we then went to see Stephen Lieber,
681
00:51:59,083 --> 00:52:01,419
who was a rock promoter.
682
00:52:01,419 --> 00:52:06,632
Steve ended up giving John the money
to fly to Vale with a group of
683
00:52:07,341 --> 00:52:10,803
skaters to put together a repertory.
684
00:52:27,528 --> 00:52:29,488
Well, John, where are you based now,
then?
685
00:52:29,488 --> 00:52:31,490
Well, I spend most of my time in
America.
686
00:52:31,490 --> 00:52:33,618
I'm based more or less in Colorado,
687
00:52:33,618 --> 00:52:35,578
where I rehearse with my skating
company.
688
00:52:39,540 --> 00:52:41,959
Every day we have a warm-up class,
689
00:52:41,959 --> 00:52:44,837
which is very much the same
as a ballet class.
690
00:52:44,837 --> 00:52:48,591
In other words you start with very
simple exercises and work up to the
691
00:52:48,591 --> 00:52:50,635
virtuoso stuff.
692
00:52:50,635 --> 00:52:54,889
I got a phone call saying John would
like to invite you to join his
693
00:52:54,889 --> 00:52:58,726
company. In skating,
if you're invited by John Curry
694
00:52:58,726 --> 00:53:02,813
to do anything, it would be like,
in television, turning Oprah down.
695
00:53:02,813 --> 00:53:04,815
You know, you would never do that.
696
00:53:04,815 --> 00:53:06,692
Do you get lots of infighting about
697
00:53:06,692 --> 00:53:09,195
"I should be getting paid more than
Joe Bloggs,
698
00:53:09,195 --> 00:53:11,072
"who is not as good a skater
as I am?"
699
00:53:11,072 --> 00:53:14,325
No, what I did was, the reason
a lot of my shows don't succeed
700
00:53:14,325 --> 00:53:16,285
is because someone earns a lot of
money
701
00:53:16,285 --> 00:53:18,412
and most of the people earn
virtually none.
702
00:53:18,412 --> 00:53:20,289
So we all have the same wages.
703
00:53:20,289 --> 00:53:22,541
Everyone in the show is paid
the same amount of money.
704
00:53:23,793 --> 00:53:26,629
Which allows us to continue our work
and we think that's the most
705
00:53:26,629 --> 00:53:27,755
important thing.
706
00:53:29,131 --> 00:53:31,217
He had a dream.
707
00:53:31,217 --> 00:53:35,554
He had a vision of what a great
company and a great show should be.
708
00:53:37,056 --> 00:53:42,269
Having a live orchestra, flying in
very well-known choreographers...
709
00:53:44,772 --> 00:53:46,607
..and we wanted to give him that.
710
00:53:47,733 --> 00:53:49,402
No matter what.
711
00:53:52,822 --> 00:53:56,117
1982, we did four different events
throughout Canada.
712
00:53:57,410 --> 00:54:00,663
I was always on the road.
I was always the point guy,
713
00:54:00,663 --> 00:54:04,166
and it was during that period
that I got to know who he was
714
00:54:04,166 --> 00:54:07,253
and understand him
a little better.
715
00:54:09,380 --> 00:54:13,092
I felt that every female skater
was either secretly
716
00:54:13,092 --> 00:54:15,136
or openly in love with him.
717
00:54:15,136 --> 00:54:18,264
He was physically
the perfect male specimen.
718
00:54:19,974 --> 00:54:22,226
He was such an
intimidating character
719
00:54:22,226 --> 00:54:24,770
and he could change his face
quite quickly,
720
00:54:24,770 --> 00:54:28,190
so you never knew which John you
were getting at that moment.
721
00:54:28,190 --> 00:54:33,446
He was a perfectionist and I think
that probably contributed to his
722
00:54:34,029 --> 00:54:35,823
moodiness.
723
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,703
Let's call it arrogance at times,
724
00:54:40,703 --> 00:54:43,706
standoffish at times,
difficult at best.
725
00:54:43,706 --> 00:54:46,876
The usual thing with the arm,
one, two.
726
00:54:46,876 --> 00:54:50,463
If he was in a good mood with a
skater, he would be instructional.
727
00:54:50,463 --> 00:54:52,131
Use the same arm on the first two
728
00:54:52,131 --> 00:54:54,133
and then reverse arm
on the second two.
729
00:54:54,133 --> 00:54:58,053
But he could be very mean
to the female skaters.
730
00:54:59,180 --> 00:55:01,223
That's right. That's lovely.
731
00:55:01,223 --> 00:55:04,101
Specifically anybody
that may have had a weight issue.
732
00:55:05,936 --> 00:55:09,523
He had very cutting
acerbic kind of commentary.
733
00:55:09,523 --> 00:55:12,860
OK. Plie.
You didn't do much of a plie.
734
00:55:12,860 --> 00:55:14,028
That's right.
735
00:55:14,028 --> 00:55:19,325
One, two, three, four,
736
00:55:23,496 --> 00:55:24,747
That's too much space.
737
00:55:24,747 --> 00:55:27,208
Skaters were in fear of him.
738
00:55:27,208 --> 00:55:30,795
We'll do it two at a time. No-one
wanted to come under his microscope,
739
00:55:30,795 --> 00:55:33,464
yet everyone wanted to come under
his microscope,
740
00:55:33,464 --> 00:55:36,383
and it was almost as if everyone
understood
741
00:55:36,383 --> 00:55:38,844
that demons lived inside of him.
742
00:55:38,844 --> 00:55:42,556
It was like
the great ballet masters.
743
00:55:42,556 --> 00:55:44,683
He demanded a lot, he got a lot...
744
00:55:46,310 --> 00:55:51,106
..and he drilled them very
rigorously on and off the ice.
745
00:55:52,483 --> 00:55:55,110
He took average skaters and
made them incredible.
746
00:56:11,544 --> 00:56:14,213
SHE SPEAKS JAPANESE
747
00:56:17,716 --> 00:56:21,136
How do you feel,
skating with a live orchestra?
748
00:56:21,136 --> 00:56:24,640
Well, it's a lot of fun and
sometimes it is rather a challenge
749
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:28,811
because every day the orchestra,
being human, is slightly different,
750
00:56:28,811 --> 00:56:32,731
so one has to try and respond
to the differences in the music.
751
00:56:35,401 --> 00:56:37,403
We were brought to Japan.
752
00:56:37,403 --> 00:56:41,532
It was gorgeous. They put ice
all over the Yoyogi Stadium,
753
00:56:41,532 --> 00:56:43,576
they had the new Japan
Philharmonic playing...
754
00:56:46,078 --> 00:56:49,248
..but John was miserable,
absolutely miserable.
755
00:56:54,879 --> 00:56:57,756
He walked in, he saw the arena,
he saw billboards,
756
00:56:57,756 --> 00:56:59,133
and it was like,
757
00:56:59,133 --> 00:57:02,261
"I haven't worked all this hard
to skate in front of signage."
758
00:57:04,722 --> 00:57:08,017
And he was really upset and
he was not going to perform.
759
00:57:09,101 --> 00:57:13,230
The Japanese producers had put an
applause in there
760
00:57:13,230 --> 00:57:15,900
and that was appalling to John.
761
00:57:15,900 --> 00:57:18,736
He didn't want to know,
didn't want to skate,
762
00:57:18,736 --> 00:57:20,821
he didn't want anything
to do with any of this.
763
00:57:22,406 --> 00:57:26,243
They then actually had to get the
key of his room from the manager.
764
00:57:26,243 --> 00:57:31,165
Quite honestly I was concerned that
he had taken his life at that time.
765
00:57:32,374 --> 00:57:34,418
He was deeply depressed.
766
00:57:34,418 --> 00:57:38,672
He said to me,
"Some consider me to be a genius.
767
00:57:39,882 --> 00:57:41,967
"I want you to know that
768
00:57:41,967 --> 00:57:45,304
"that other side of the spectrum
lives inside of me.
769
00:57:45,304 --> 00:57:48,223
"Whatever greatness
you think I have,
770
00:57:48,223 --> 00:57:51,977
"there are demons of equal value
that are inside of my soul."
771
00:57:54,396 --> 00:57:58,901
That was a side of John that was
almost impossible to...
772
00:57:58,901 --> 00:58:01,570
You couldn't wave a wand to put that
right.
773
00:58:01,570 --> 00:58:05,824
There was this deep melancholy,
this despair inside of him.
774
00:58:08,077 --> 00:58:11,455
And it had nothing to do
with the company he created.
775
00:58:11,455 --> 00:58:12,873
It was to do with something else,
776
00:58:12,873 --> 00:58:16,085
something in his life he wanted
that he couldn't have.
777
00:58:17,211 --> 00:58:18,879
The battle was always the same.
778
00:58:18,879 --> 00:58:20,547
He didn't have a lover.
779
00:58:20,547 --> 00:58:22,549
He wanted a lover all the time.
780
00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:25,594
"I'm lonely, I need someone here..."
781
00:58:27,096 --> 00:58:28,430
A cry for help.
782
00:58:31,892 --> 00:58:35,604
Bobby Campbell of San Francisco and
Billy Walker of New York both suffer
783
00:58:35,604 --> 00:58:38,190
from a mysterious newly
discovered disease
784
00:58:38,190 --> 00:58:41,026
which affects mostly homosexual men.
785
00:58:41,026 --> 00:58:45,114
Many victims get a rare form
of cancer called Kaposi sarcoma.
786
00:58:45,114 --> 00:58:47,783
Others get an infection known as
pneumocystis pneumonia.
787
00:58:47,783 --> 00:58:51,912
We were in the dark. We didn't
have very much information.
788
00:58:51,912 --> 00:58:55,499
Investigators have examined the
habits of homosexuals for clues.
789
00:58:55,499 --> 00:58:57,584
I was in the fast lane at one time,
790
00:58:57,584 --> 00:59:00,587
in terms of the way I live my life,
and now I'm not.
791
00:59:00,587 --> 00:59:03,966
It went from very light
and carefree kind of living,
792
00:59:03,966 --> 00:59:07,052
to fear and caution.
793
00:59:07,052 --> 00:59:09,096
I have four friends that have died.
794
00:59:09,096 --> 00:59:10,848
I have two friends that are dying.
795
00:59:12,641 --> 00:59:15,185
I listen to them,
brilliant people...
796
00:59:17,104 --> 00:59:18,522
..brilliant people.
797
00:59:27,614 --> 00:59:31,452
John Curry is the man, it's said,
who first turned athletics into art.
798
00:59:33,620 --> 00:59:36,165
It was he who first whetted
the public's appetite for
799
00:59:36,165 --> 00:59:39,376
the ice wizardry that Torvill and
Dean have lately been satisfying.
800
00:59:45,924 --> 00:59:49,970
For the last 14 months, he's poured
his energies into training his
801
00:59:49,970 --> 00:59:54,099
ice dance company for next week's
Symphony On Ice in the Albert Hall,
802
00:59:54,099 --> 00:59:55,601
of all places.
803
00:59:57,019 --> 00:59:58,812
You always fascinate me
with your shows.
804
00:59:58,812 --> 01:00:00,355
I mean, it's called Symphony On Ice.
805
01:00:00,355 --> 01:00:02,733
It's unusual in that
it's at the Royal Albert Hall.
806
01:00:02,733 --> 01:00:04,568
Have they ever had ice there before?
807
01:00:04,568 --> 01:00:07,654
No, they've had just about
everything else, no ice skating.
808
01:00:09,239 --> 01:00:12,242
When I turned professional,
it was the place I wanted to go to.
809
01:00:12,242 --> 01:00:15,871
It's taken me seven years
to get there.
810
01:00:15,871 --> 01:00:18,415
This might be quite a naive
question, but how do you build
811
01:00:18,415 --> 01:00:21,502
the rink? I mean, do you put in a
little swimming pool and freeze it?
812
01:00:21,502 --> 01:00:25,005
I believe we had a week to put ice
into the Albert Hall,
813
01:00:25,005 --> 01:00:27,299
which under normal conditions
would have been enough.
814
01:00:30,177 --> 01:00:32,638
We had some stuff that
came in a little late,
815
01:00:32,638 --> 01:00:34,348
so we were already behind schedule.
816
01:00:38,102 --> 01:00:41,188
We set up the rink and turned it on
817
01:00:41,188 --> 01:00:44,733
and we had a generator,
and that broke down.
818
01:00:46,777 --> 01:00:49,863
When it became clear that we were
jeopardising our opening night,
819
01:00:49,863 --> 01:00:52,407
we began to bring in ice trucks so
820
01:00:52,407 --> 01:00:55,744
we could just somehow get
that floor frozen.
821
01:01:02,042 --> 01:01:04,044
When it came time
to skate on the ice...
822
01:01:05,838 --> 01:01:08,298
..it really wasn't thick enough
to be skated on.
823
01:01:11,093 --> 01:01:14,847
There were patches of sand which
were extremely treacherous.
824
01:01:17,683 --> 01:01:21,603
If you hit sand with a blade,
then basically you're history.
825
01:01:23,939 --> 01:01:26,108
Everyone knew there was a problem
826
01:01:26,108 --> 01:01:30,529
and so it was as... Difficulties
were sort of skated through,
827
01:01:30,529 --> 01:01:32,865
the audience got more involved.
828
01:01:34,366 --> 01:01:36,034
It had part of its own momentum.
829
01:01:42,499 --> 01:01:46,003
The Royal Philharmonic Orchestra
has accompanied the skaters
830
01:01:46,003 --> 01:01:48,255
up until now, but this is Burn -
831
01:01:48,255 --> 01:01:52,551
a modern synthesised composition
by Jean-Michel Jarre.
832
01:02:12,571 --> 01:02:17,784
One piece that showed John's
potential was Burn.
833
01:02:28,253 --> 01:02:29,504
It was extraordinary.
834
01:02:51,526 --> 01:02:56,240
He was like a magnet, he was like
the nucleus of this atomic group.
835
01:03:03,121 --> 01:03:06,917
And they keep being drawn into
this magnet, and escaping again.
836
01:03:09,461 --> 01:03:11,630
And escaping.
837
01:03:25,477 --> 01:03:28,563
It was really, really demanding.
838
01:03:28,563 --> 01:03:33,318
It involved all of the skaters
rotating in both directions
839
01:03:33,318 --> 01:03:34,778
the entire time.
840
01:03:41,868 --> 01:03:43,745
And then there was this one section
841
01:03:43,745 --> 01:03:45,956
where John was kind of
weaving through us.
842
01:03:48,542 --> 01:03:51,211
That part terrified him
and it terrified us,
843
01:03:51,211 --> 01:03:54,006
because if one of us was
too fast or too slow,
844
01:03:54,006 --> 01:03:55,882
it screwed up his timing.
845
01:03:57,592 --> 01:03:59,052
He would slam right into us.
846
01:04:12,941 --> 01:04:14,484
The audience is raptured.
847
01:04:15,485 --> 01:04:16,611
Completely engrossed.
848
01:04:18,989 --> 01:04:23,577
We were looking at each other,
sort of saying, "This is our time.
849
01:04:25,203 --> 01:04:26,872
"This is our time."
850
01:04:37,591 --> 01:04:40,552
It justified everything
we had gone through.
851
01:04:42,429 --> 01:04:45,640
So there was no reason to be
concerned about being in debt.
852
01:04:50,687 --> 01:04:53,523
Because by then, the skaters were
looking at the opportunity
853
01:04:53,523 --> 01:04:55,692
of performing in
the Metropolitan Opera House.
854
01:05:06,870 --> 01:05:09,456
Joining us this morning to talk
about skating on the stage
855
01:05:09,456 --> 01:05:11,249
of the Met, two 1976
Olympic champions -
856
01:05:11,249 --> 01:05:13,460
John Curry and Dorothy Hamill.
Good seeing you both,
857
01:05:13,460 --> 01:05:15,128
thanks for being with us. Thank you.
858
01:05:16,338 --> 01:05:18,882
The Met is pretty much everybody's
dream, whether you are
859
01:05:18,882 --> 01:05:21,218
an opera singer, or a dancer,
it is like, "Oh, my God."
860
01:05:21,218 --> 01:05:25,097
To perform at the Met is the
highlight of one's career.
861
01:05:25,097 --> 01:05:29,101
In New York, you cannot have more
illustrious exposure than that.
862
01:05:30,644 --> 01:05:33,730
The show went on sale
and it sold out immediately.
863
01:05:36,024 --> 01:05:39,152
For the last 72 hours, engineers
have been busy laying an ice rink
864
01:05:39,152 --> 01:05:40,904
on the Met's
8,000-square-foot stage.
865
01:05:40,904 --> 01:05:42,739
Straighten out something
first of all -
866
01:05:42,739 --> 01:05:44,324
you were supposed to
open last night.
867
01:05:44,324 --> 01:05:46,952
Yes. We had a problem with the ice,
which has now been solved.
868
01:05:46,952 --> 01:05:48,578
You've been on the ice this morning?
869
01:05:48,578 --> 01:05:50,747
I went this morning.
I've skated, it's fine,
870
01:05:50,747 --> 01:05:53,792
we're going to open tonight
at eight o'clock.
871
01:05:53,792 --> 01:05:55,919
I didn't sleep the whole night
before the opening.
872
01:05:57,045 --> 01:05:58,630
Because this was it,
873
01:05:58,630 --> 01:06:02,050
this was going to make or break
John Curry's company and his career
874
01:06:02,050 --> 01:06:04,970
and we all were very aware of that.
875
01:06:07,597 --> 01:06:10,809
Thousands of people in the Opera
House were used to operas
876
01:06:10,809 --> 01:06:14,938
and ballets. They weren't quite sure
what it was they were going to see.
877
01:06:17,941 --> 01:06:20,902
The company's musical director,
Charles Barker,
878
01:06:20,902 --> 01:06:23,447
conducts the overture
to Rossini's William Tell.
879
01:06:46,470 --> 01:06:49,890
It was unbelievable. We'd never
seen anything like this.
880
01:06:56,813 --> 01:06:58,398
And it was sensational.
881
01:06:59,691 --> 01:07:01,151
The cast were sensational.
882
01:07:06,823 --> 01:07:10,952
I think it was Anna Kisselgoff who
wrote, "The Metropolitan Opera House
883
01:07:10,952 --> 01:07:13,497
"nor ice skating will
ever be the same again."
884
01:07:13,497 --> 01:07:17,125
That told him he had achieved
what he set out to achieve.
885
01:07:49,991 --> 01:07:53,453
They were so awestruck
by what they saw.
886
01:07:55,163 --> 01:07:57,499
They stood and cheered for
about 20 minutes
887
01:07:57,499 --> 01:07:59,292
at the end of the performance.
888
01:08:09,177 --> 01:08:12,472
And I remember going backstage
and John was crying.
889
01:08:14,641 --> 01:08:18,603
He was shaking from head to foot
and he said, "We did it."
890
01:08:18,603 --> 01:08:22,732
I said, "Yes, you did,"
and he said, "Can I stop now?
891
01:08:24,609 --> 01:08:26,820
"Can the company go ahead
without me?"
892
01:08:29,114 --> 01:08:30,323
And I said,
893
01:08:30,323 --> 01:08:34,995
"No, you're the star of this company
and everyone wants to see you."
894
01:08:34,995 --> 01:08:39,165
He had obviously got it in his head
that once he had skated in the Met,
895
01:08:39,165 --> 01:08:40,917
he had done his job.
896
01:08:40,917 --> 01:08:45,171
But, of course, that isn't true,
because the company was in debt.
897
01:08:47,173 --> 01:08:51,720
Keeping a group of skaters together
for the best part of a year,
898
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:56,933
we kept a permanent conductor so
that the tempo was always perfect.
899
01:08:57,475 --> 01:09:00,729
Everything was very expensive,
900
01:09:00,729 --> 01:09:04,274
so I explained to him that
he had to keep doing this
901
01:09:04,274 --> 01:09:08,820
for two or three years, until there
were other stars who emerged
902
01:09:08,820 --> 01:09:10,780
and then he could step back.
903
01:09:12,616 --> 01:09:15,285
But the truth was,
he didn't want to perform.
904
01:09:16,494 --> 01:09:20,749
He was in pain. His legs were
hurting, as many skaters' do.
905
01:09:22,375 --> 01:09:27,255
He wanted the company, but he did
not want to be its star performer.
906
01:09:29,215 --> 01:09:31,968
Everything after that was less.
907
01:09:31,968 --> 01:09:35,555
Not because the skaters
skated any less wonderfully...
908
01:09:37,265 --> 01:09:39,184
..but because the spirit had gone.
909
01:09:40,602 --> 01:09:44,022
Because, without
John's spirit there,
910
01:09:44,022 --> 01:09:46,107
it wasn't the same.
911
01:09:57,952 --> 01:10:00,330
The Scandinavian tour was...not fun.
912
01:10:02,540 --> 01:10:05,710
We started in Copenhagen
and we walked into that arena,
913
01:10:05,710 --> 01:10:07,337
signage all over the arena,
914
01:10:07,337 --> 01:10:09,464
and John just said,
"I'm not going to skate."
915
01:10:10,757 --> 01:10:13,510
He came up with a number of
different reasons
916
01:10:13,510 --> 01:10:15,053
why he couldn't do it.
917
01:10:15,053 --> 01:10:17,013
But of course all the tickets
had been sold.
918
01:10:18,556 --> 01:10:20,892
The next thing we knew was that
919
01:10:20,892 --> 01:10:23,645
he had not warmed up
before he performed
920
01:10:23,645 --> 01:10:25,397
and he had injured himself.
921
01:10:27,273 --> 01:10:31,569
I went in the ambulance with him
and I said, "So is it bad?"
922
01:10:31,569 --> 01:10:34,155
There was just a look in his face
923
01:10:34,155 --> 01:10:37,617
that made me feel
he was taking a dive.
924
01:10:37,617 --> 01:10:40,745
The middle part of the tour
had to be cancelled.
925
01:10:40,745 --> 01:10:44,040
This was, financially, a disaster.
926
01:10:45,792 --> 01:10:48,336
He came back to New York
for treatment
927
01:10:48,336 --> 01:10:51,589
and then he went to perform
at the last engagement
928
01:10:51,589 --> 01:10:54,134
which was at the Bergen Opera House.
929
01:10:59,764 --> 01:11:01,349
Which he did beautifully.
930
01:11:24,706 --> 01:11:27,208
Eliot Feld,
when he created Moon Skate,
931
01:11:27,208 --> 01:11:32,046
took John in a direction
to have him reflect on the ice
932
01:11:32,046 --> 01:11:34,007
the melancholy that was in him.
933
01:11:41,139 --> 01:11:43,057
It is a very reflective piece.
934
01:11:47,228 --> 01:11:51,691
The movement that's all about
regression and progression.
935
01:11:52,859 --> 01:11:54,569
Without any visible effort.
936
01:12:07,624 --> 01:12:09,167
It is almost transcendent.
937
01:12:13,713 --> 01:12:15,882
It was almost like
you were a voyeur,
938
01:12:15,882 --> 01:12:19,052
looking in at the stage
in a very intimate moment
939
01:12:19,052 --> 01:12:20,887
that he was experiencing.
940
01:12:48,957 --> 01:12:54,212
Every single time he performed it,
he cried.
941
01:12:54,546 --> 01:12:58,842
At this particular juncture,
his tears would start flowing.
942
01:13:07,475 --> 01:13:10,562
I really, genuinely sensed
the journey he had taken
943
01:13:10,562 --> 01:13:14,065
in the dance to that point
had led that to happen.
944
01:13:25,285 --> 01:13:27,203
That piece is full of searching.
945
01:13:28,580 --> 01:13:31,249
Searching for something
that he doesn't get.
946
01:13:35,545 --> 01:13:40,675
He was always searching for
the constancy of love,
947
01:13:40,675 --> 01:13:43,136
for a love that would endure.
948
01:13:54,772 --> 01:13:57,483
It was so moving, so beautiful.
949
01:13:58,818 --> 01:14:01,696
And at the end of the piece,
you would see the...
950
01:14:01,696 --> 01:14:04,115
despair, the resignation,
951
01:14:04,115 --> 01:14:07,660
the acceptance of the fact that
he can't.
952
01:14:07,660 --> 01:14:09,329
He can't find it.
953
01:14:21,382 --> 01:14:23,843
He is again alone, you know,
on the ice,
954
01:14:23,843 --> 01:14:27,013
all the people that he has loved
or had relationships with
955
01:14:27,013 --> 01:14:29,349
have fallen by the wayside.
One way or another.
956
01:14:33,686 --> 01:14:36,981
You know, maybe it's an
acknowledgement of how far he came
957
01:14:36,981 --> 01:14:40,151
and how close he got,
and yet, not quite there.
958
01:14:42,946 --> 01:14:44,614
Both in terms of his personal life
959
01:14:44,614 --> 01:14:47,241
and in terms of
his professional ambitions.
960
01:14:55,083 --> 01:14:59,253
That was the last time that
that company performed.
961
01:15:04,258 --> 01:15:05,969
That was the end.
962
01:15:09,806 --> 01:15:12,350
PROTESTERS CHANT
963
01:15:12,350 --> 01:15:14,352
When it comes to preventing Aids,
964
01:15:14,352 --> 01:15:17,981
don't medicine and morality
teach the same message?
965
01:15:19,857 --> 01:15:23,111
CHANTING: Americans are dying!
966
01:15:23,111 --> 01:15:25,738
We want to identify
every person who is a carrier.
967
01:15:25,738 --> 01:15:27,657
We want to identify
every possible way
968
01:15:27,657 --> 01:15:29,617
to stop them from
spreading the disease.
969
01:15:31,202 --> 01:15:34,205
Aids at that time was terrifying.
970
01:15:34,205 --> 01:15:37,417
Since they didn't know
what was causing it,
971
01:15:37,417 --> 01:15:40,878
there becomes a fear of contagion.
972
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:49,971
That sort of fed into this
homophobic narrow-mindedness -
973
01:15:49,971 --> 01:15:53,016
"See, we told you it was wrong,
now you are being punished."
974
01:15:53,016 --> 01:15:57,353
..saying that the only good
homosexual is a dying homosexual...
975
01:15:57,353 --> 01:16:02,525
In the arts, circles of friends,
people you knew
976
01:16:02,525 --> 01:16:07,780
were suddenly ill, and the circles
started to get closer and closer.
977
01:16:08,072 --> 01:16:10,825
They were shrinking towards
your inner circle.
978
01:16:16,122 --> 01:16:18,624
Now, you were in America
for ten years.
979
01:16:18,624 --> 01:16:20,793
You came back in November
of last year.
980
01:16:20,793 --> 01:16:22,754
With a pocket full of money?
981
01:16:22,754 --> 01:16:25,339
No, no, with a pocket empty,
actually.
982
01:16:25,339 --> 01:16:30,094
Why? What happened? Well, I put
a lot of my own money into the shows
983
01:16:30,094 --> 01:16:33,181
and I had some difficulties
along the way,
984
01:16:33,181 --> 01:16:35,808
with the people who were producing.
985
01:16:35,808 --> 01:16:38,144
I lost everything I made, actually.
986
01:16:40,646 --> 01:16:43,941
I went to Liverpool, I saw the show.
987
01:16:45,526 --> 01:16:49,489
We walked to the Atlantic Hotel,
where I stayed.
988
01:16:50,823 --> 01:16:53,659
And then he told me,
"I'm HIV-positive."
989
01:16:55,119 --> 01:16:58,247
I just said, "No, can't be."
And then I hugged him.
990
01:16:58,247 --> 01:17:00,792
We went then straight up to my room.
991
01:17:00,792 --> 01:17:03,336
Sometimes I cried,
sometimes he cried.
992
01:17:05,755 --> 01:17:08,382
It was just a fact.
993
01:17:08,382 --> 01:17:13,596
You sort of knew that he knows
also that it's death fairly soon.
994
01:17:17,934 --> 01:17:22,105
Dear Heinz, it was so nice to see
you over the weekend.
995
01:17:22,105 --> 01:17:25,149
When you left on Sunday, I smoked
the cigarette you left behind
996
01:17:25,149 --> 01:17:26,692
and felt very tired.
997
01:17:28,194 --> 01:17:30,655
I called Mother on the telephone.
998
01:17:30,655 --> 01:17:34,200
Well, we had the best talk
we've ever had.
999
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:38,496
And I think it will be a great help
in the rest of my life, and hers.
1000
01:17:39,956 --> 01:17:42,041
While we spoke,
I cried very deeply.
1001
01:17:43,835 --> 01:17:47,630
I told her so many things that had
been causing me great distress.
1002
01:17:47,630 --> 01:17:51,425
Mother spoke very calmly
and with great compassion.
1003
01:17:51,425 --> 01:17:54,470
I even spoke about my fear of Aids.
1004
01:17:54,470 --> 01:17:58,808
So you can tell it was a much more
personal conversation
1005
01:17:58,808 --> 01:18:00,935
than we've ever had before.
1006
01:18:03,896 --> 01:18:06,858
You hung up your skating boots,
what, 18 months ago?
1007
01:18:06,858 --> 01:18:10,236
Yes, 18 months, yeah.
Never skated since? No.
1008
01:18:10,236 --> 01:18:12,947
And never will?
I don't think so, no.
1009
01:18:34,886 --> 01:18:38,973
In 1990, John had stopped
choreographing and skating.
1010
01:18:40,975 --> 01:18:44,187
But we had asked
if he would be interested
1011
01:18:44,187 --> 01:18:47,523
in doing a dance
for The Next Ice Age.
1012
01:18:51,527 --> 01:18:55,740
He came for three weeks,
and we rehearsed every morning.
1013
01:18:57,241 --> 01:18:59,619
And he was so different then
1014
01:18:59,619 --> 01:19:03,497
than he was during the stress of
when he was running his own company
1015
01:19:03,497 --> 01:19:05,750
and having to deal with the finances
1016
01:19:05,750 --> 01:19:08,419
and just everything
that goes with it.
1017
01:19:13,174 --> 01:19:16,844
These are the original costumes
that John designed himself.
1018
01:19:16,844 --> 01:19:18,304
They are different colours of
1019
01:19:18,304 --> 01:19:22,266
what I think he must have thought
the Danube would be lit by the moon.
1020
01:19:23,768 --> 01:19:27,647
This is the kind of detail
that John was designing.
1021
01:19:51,295 --> 01:19:54,465
It was right from the start
going to be a quartet, four men.
1022
01:20:02,848 --> 01:20:07,812
I think he was thinking,
"What will be my final work?"
1023
01:20:13,526 --> 01:20:18,364
He wanted the dance to be about
friendship, that's what he told us.
1024
01:20:19,448 --> 01:20:21,450
A sense of joy,
1025
01:20:21,450 --> 01:20:23,577
and a sense of beauty,
1026
01:20:23,577 --> 01:20:24,954
and happiness.
1027
01:20:37,049 --> 01:20:41,053
He thought, that's what
I want people to remember me as.
1028
01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:54,859
And so, here, 30 years later,
1029
01:20:54,859 --> 01:20:57,611
we'll be restaging it
with a brand-new cast.
1030
01:21:21,260 --> 01:21:23,846
You know, for me to see
1031
01:21:23,846 --> 01:21:26,640
the three companies
that he evolved -
1032
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:30,728
Ice Theatre of New York,
Ice Dance International
1033
01:21:30,728 --> 01:21:34,815
and then The Next Ice Age,
is so powerful
1034
01:21:34,815 --> 01:21:39,695
because these skaters
are practising and performing
1035
01:21:39,695 --> 01:21:41,197
his legacy.
1036
01:21:57,463 --> 01:21:58,798
The legacy is there.
1037
01:22:02,051 --> 01:22:05,429
But whether there will ever be
another company
1038
01:22:05,429 --> 01:22:08,557
of the sort that John had...
probably not.
1039
01:22:12,395 --> 01:22:15,064
Most of the people
that were in theatre skating
1040
01:22:15,064 --> 01:22:18,692
and in fact most of the company
members throughout John's company,
1041
01:22:18,692 --> 01:22:21,195
almost all of the men are dead.
1042
01:22:21,195 --> 01:22:22,738
From Aids.
1043
01:22:32,748 --> 01:22:35,209
Even now in sports,
we have a lot of homophobia,
1044
01:22:35,209 --> 01:22:37,545
whether it is figure skating
or football.
1045
01:22:40,089 --> 01:22:43,717
At that time in the late '70s, it
was a completely different world.
1046
01:22:46,011 --> 01:22:50,099
Look at him as an artist,
and somebody who broke boundaries.
1047
01:22:50,099 --> 01:22:53,769
He had the guts to be his true self
on the ice.
1048
01:22:55,771 --> 01:22:58,107
And I think that's
the greatest achievement
1049
01:22:58,107 --> 01:23:01,193
that he was able to
leave in this world
1050
01:23:01,193 --> 01:23:04,613
was that he made this, who only
started skating 20 years later,
1051
01:23:04,613 --> 01:23:07,283
be comfortable to really
be themself on the ice.
1052
01:23:16,041 --> 01:23:20,379
We met him at Coventry
railway station, I think,
1053
01:23:20,379 --> 01:23:23,716
Andrew and I. And he came home
and he said he was ill.
1054
01:23:25,634 --> 01:23:27,052
And that was it.
1055
01:23:34,727 --> 01:23:38,063
A lot of the time,
he was quite well.
1056
01:23:42,109 --> 01:23:45,029
But most of the time, when he could,
he was in the garden.
1057
01:23:46,655 --> 01:23:49,158
Either gardening or needle-working.
1058
01:23:49,158 --> 01:23:50,993
SHE LAUGHS
1059
01:24:01,253 --> 01:24:05,382
Dear Cathy.
How lovely to hear from you.
1060
01:24:05,382 --> 01:24:08,886
I've not been to Prague
for, what, 20 years?
1061
01:24:08,886 --> 01:24:11,305
It looked as if a strong wind
would demolish it then,
1062
01:24:11,305 --> 01:24:13,265
so whatever must it look like now?
1063
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:18,354
Well, I have something to tell you
1064
01:24:18,354 --> 01:24:20,814
which you've probably heard already.
1065
01:24:20,814 --> 01:24:22,149
I have Aids.
1066
01:24:34,870 --> 01:24:37,706
I'm not traumatised...I think.
1067
01:24:37,706 --> 01:24:40,209
And inside, I am peaceful.
1068
01:24:43,379 --> 01:24:45,256
I love being at home again,
1069
01:24:45,256 --> 01:24:48,884
and not having to teach and skate is
a welcome relief for this old body.
1070
01:24:52,513 --> 01:24:57,560
This is not a very uplifting letter,
but dear Cathy,
1071
01:24:57,560 --> 01:24:59,687
do not worry or be sad.
1072
01:24:59,687 --> 01:25:02,439
I've had an extraordinary life,
by any standards.
1073
01:25:04,358 --> 01:25:06,944
I've met with great success
and happiness,
1074
01:25:06,944 --> 01:25:09,613
and at times, the reverse.
1075
01:25:11,991 --> 01:25:14,910
So keep your pecker up.
1076
01:25:16,161 --> 01:25:17,788
Lots of love,
1077
01:25:17,788 --> 01:25:19,456
John.
1078
01:25:30,593 --> 01:25:32,469
In a way, what have you done?
1079
01:25:32,469 --> 01:25:35,639
You haven't invented penicillin,
you haven't cured cancer,
1080
01:25:35,639 --> 01:25:38,142
you haven't built
an old people's home.
1081
01:25:38,142 --> 01:25:39,893
You've zoomed around the ice.
1082
01:25:39,893 --> 01:25:42,271
Is what you do really
of any importance at all?
1083
01:25:44,148 --> 01:25:47,318
Is it important? It's only important
1084
01:25:47,318 --> 01:25:51,655
because things like skating or...
1085
01:25:51,655 --> 01:25:54,450
or any kind of performance
that brings people pleasure,
1086
01:25:54,450 --> 01:25:58,120
really some of the things that, if
you like, make life worth living.
1087
01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:01,081
I know that sounds terribly corny,
but it does.
1088
01:26:03,334 --> 01:26:05,836
If everything in life
was entirely practical,
1089
01:26:05,836 --> 01:26:09,965
we would all have our amount of
bread and water and so on,
1090
01:26:09,965 --> 01:26:13,594
but some things have to move you
or make you feel very happy
1091
01:26:13,594 --> 01:26:15,721
or even very sad or something.
1092
01:26:15,721 --> 01:26:17,890
They have to make you
feel something.
1093
01:26:17,890 --> 01:26:20,142
And I'm very glad
that I've been able to
1094
01:26:20,142 --> 01:26:23,395
make some people feel something
with my skating.
1095
01:26:23,395 --> 01:26:24,980
I think that's great.
1096
01:26:24,980 --> 01:26:27,191
And I think that's important.
91678
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