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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:06,088 MUSIC: Afternoon Of A Fawn by Claude Debussy 2 00:01:30,140 --> 00:01:34,103 The life of a competitive figure skater is like a monk. 3 00:01:36,021 --> 00:01:38,315 When there's ice, you go and you skate on it, 4 00:01:38,315 --> 00:01:41,902 11 o'clock at night, 12 o'clock at night, one o'clock at night. 5 00:01:44,947 --> 00:01:49,159 There is no opportunity for friends and family. 6 00:01:52,329 --> 00:01:54,665 If you fall, nobody's going to pick you up. 7 00:01:57,167 --> 00:01:58,669 It's only you. 8 00:02:03,340 --> 00:02:05,884 You live, breathe, and die alone. 9 00:02:16,270 --> 00:02:19,356 Our castaway this week is the best 10 00:02:19,356 --> 00:02:22,526 skater in the world, and his name is John Curry. 11 00:02:29,408 --> 00:02:31,076 I wanted to be a dancer. 12 00:02:32,286 --> 00:02:34,371 I was allowed to ice skate. 13 00:02:38,626 --> 00:02:42,004 Because it was a sport, they thought it was OK. 14 00:02:49,345 --> 00:02:54,600 John was the first one to really merge this deep expressiveness 15 00:02:55,017 --> 00:02:56,935 of dance 16 00:02:56,935 --> 00:02:59,772 with the athletic virtuosity of skating. 17 00:03:10,282 --> 00:03:11,575 in a different way. 18 00:03:15,996 --> 00:03:19,375 He was breaking ground as an artist 19 00:03:19,375 --> 00:03:21,210 and as a star athlete. 20 00:03:35,265 --> 00:03:39,269 He said, "Whatever greatness you think I have, 21 00:03:39,269 --> 00:03:42,564 "there are demons of equal value that are inside of my soul." 22 00:03:54,201 --> 00:03:56,537 POLICE SIRENS, HORN BEEPS 23 00:04:02,543 --> 00:04:06,463 Summer 1971, John appears on our doorstep. 24 00:04:06,463 --> 00:04:09,550 All he had were his skates and his talent. 25 00:04:11,969 --> 00:04:14,555 He needed a place to stay, rent-free, 26 00:04:14,555 --> 00:04:17,683 and my mother often opened our house to skaters. 27 00:04:19,601 --> 00:04:21,645 He was very shy at first. 28 00:04:21,645 --> 00:04:23,313 It took him a long time to open up. 29 00:04:25,983 --> 00:04:28,694 All of a sudden, he just started to click with all of us. 30 00:04:30,112 --> 00:04:32,614 And most importantly, he clicked with my mother. 31 00:04:35,784 --> 00:04:39,872 I think the really amazing thing is that he shared with my mother that 32 00:04:39,872 --> 00:04:42,666 he wanted to not just be a competitive skater 33 00:04:42,666 --> 00:04:44,334 and go for the Olympics, 34 00:04:44,334 --> 00:04:47,713 but that he had a vision beyond that, 35 00:04:47,713 --> 00:04:51,091 which was to create a theatre of skating and a dance company. 36 00:04:53,051 --> 00:04:56,805 She believed in him in a way that no-one else did at that time. 37 00:04:59,892 --> 00:05:03,145 Dear Nancy. It seems more like five weeks than five days 38 00:05:03,145 --> 00:05:05,856 since I left you in the enchanted city. 39 00:05:05,856 --> 00:05:07,483 My heart aches for New York. 40 00:05:08,650 --> 00:05:12,905 In a strange way, I feel that England has betrayed me. 41 00:05:12,905 --> 00:05:15,032 I can't quite explain it, 42 00:05:15,032 --> 00:05:18,660 but as time goes by, perhaps I'll find the words. 43 00:05:22,456 --> 00:05:24,833 They were like kindred artistic souls. 44 00:05:26,585 --> 00:05:30,589 As soon as the competitive season was over, back to New York 45 00:05:30,589 --> 00:05:34,551 he would come, to kind of recharge and refuel. 46 00:05:37,304 --> 00:05:40,224 I really think that he felt in our home 47 00:05:40,224 --> 00:05:43,894 a calm that he had not experienced growing up at all. 48 00:05:47,481 --> 00:05:50,192 CLASSICAL HARP 49 00:06:10,587 --> 00:06:13,298 Well, I was first drawn to dancing and acting, 50 00:06:13,298 --> 00:06:15,884 and I asked if I could go to ballet classes. 51 00:06:19,096 --> 00:06:23,100 I remember being taken into the sitting room and my mother saying, 52 00:06:23,100 --> 00:06:25,102 "Can I take John to ballet lessons?" 53 00:06:25,102 --> 00:06:27,396 And my father getting quite cross and saying, 54 00:06:27,396 --> 00:06:28,730 "No, absolutely could not." 55 00:06:30,482 --> 00:06:33,777 And that was the end of that. And it was never brought up again. 56 00:06:36,238 --> 00:06:39,825 Richard Button of Philadelphia, who is North American and... 57 00:06:39,825 --> 00:06:43,704 When I saw ice skating on the television a little later, 58 00:06:43,704 --> 00:06:46,206 I asked if I could go skating and I was told "yes." 59 00:06:47,666 --> 00:06:51,879 Because ice skating is protected by the umbrella of sport. 60 00:06:51,879 --> 00:06:55,757 ..1947 World Championships and will represent us when the Olympic 61 00:06:55,757 --> 00:06:57,968 contestants gather from all parts of the world. 62 00:06:59,845 --> 00:07:02,681 I remember very clearly the very first time 63 00:07:02,681 --> 00:07:04,349 I put a pair of skates on. 64 00:07:04,349 --> 00:07:06,643 I had a teacher that held my hand. 65 00:07:06,643 --> 00:07:09,646 I said, "Oh, no, you don't need to hold my hand. I can do this." 66 00:07:09,646 --> 00:07:11,398 And I just skated off. 67 00:07:12,566 --> 00:07:16,528 From then on, we used to take him twice a week, or I had, 68 00:07:16,528 --> 00:07:18,447 just as a hobby. 69 00:07:20,198 --> 00:07:23,201 He was very interested and always wanted to skate 70 00:07:23,201 --> 00:07:25,078 a bit more than anybody else. 71 00:07:28,373 --> 00:07:31,460 Just as a seven-year-old, I started to think of skating 72 00:07:31,460 --> 00:07:35,172 as being a dancing on the ice. I didn't think of it as anything else. 73 00:07:39,843 --> 00:07:43,805 One Christmas time, I was given £5 to buy something for myself 74 00:07:43,805 --> 00:07:46,266 by my father. And I went and bought... 75 00:07:46,266 --> 00:07:47,893 Don't ask me why I chose them, 76 00:07:47,893 --> 00:07:50,312 maybe it had to do with the covers of the records, 77 00:07:50,312 --> 00:07:51,980 but I chose Scheherazade, 78 00:07:51,980 --> 00:07:55,525 The Nutcracker, and Swan Lake, none of which I'd ever heard before. 79 00:07:55,525 --> 00:07:58,111 I was very, very pleased and excited by what I'd bought. 80 00:07:58,111 --> 00:08:01,281 And I went to my father and showed him what I'd bought, 81 00:08:01,281 --> 00:08:04,409 and he was very disappointed. And he said, "Oh, dear. 82 00:08:04,409 --> 00:08:06,995 "I thought you might buy something you'd keep." 83 00:08:08,413 --> 00:08:12,501 I think John had a very difficult childhood because of his father. 84 00:08:12,501 --> 00:08:15,045 And skating became the escape. 85 00:08:16,463 --> 00:08:18,799 I was always pretty private as a child. 86 00:08:18,799 --> 00:08:23,136 And the ice only made that easier for me, in a way. 87 00:08:23,136 --> 00:08:26,473 It was my world where I could go and be free and alone. 88 00:08:33,563 --> 00:08:37,651 To me, the music said exactly what it wanted me to do. 89 00:08:58,547 --> 00:09:00,966 When I stopped looking like a little boy 90 00:09:00,966 --> 00:09:03,176 and started to look like a young man, 91 00:09:03,176 --> 00:09:06,179 then suddenly all the things that I had done up until then, 92 00:09:06,179 --> 00:09:09,224 absolutely with everyone's blessing, 93 00:09:09,224 --> 00:09:12,185 I was told I should stop doing. 94 00:09:12,185 --> 00:09:15,230 I was told I shouldn't use my arms, I shouldn't do spirals, 95 00:09:15,230 --> 00:09:19,443 I shouldn't try and make everything look so effortless and graceful. 96 00:09:19,443 --> 00:09:22,070 I was actually told not to be so graceful. 97 00:09:26,283 --> 00:09:27,784 And I couldn't understand why. 98 00:09:27,784 --> 00:09:30,370 And it was because they couldn't accept it from a young man, 99 00:09:30,370 --> 00:09:31,997 which they could from a child. 100 00:09:34,332 --> 00:09:37,377 Men who choose to love other men are treated not only 101 00:09:37,377 --> 00:09:40,881 with intolerance and contempt, but prosecuted and jailed. 102 00:09:40,881 --> 00:09:44,009 It's estimated that one man in 20 is a homosexual. 103 00:09:44,009 --> 00:09:47,596 For many of us, this is revolting, men dancing with men. 104 00:09:47,596 --> 00:09:51,516 Homosexuals in this country today break the law. 105 00:09:51,516 --> 00:09:56,146 I can't imagine what John must have felt to have realised that you're 106 00:09:56,146 --> 00:10:00,942 different and that difference is something that is looked down upon 107 00:10:00,942 --> 00:10:02,778 with shame and loathing. 108 00:10:02,778 --> 00:10:05,822 There may be some in this auditorium. 109 00:10:05,822 --> 00:10:09,117 There may be some here today that will be homosexual in the future. 110 00:10:09,117 --> 00:10:11,912 There may be some girls that will turn lesbian. 111 00:10:11,912 --> 00:10:14,998 But it's serious. Don't kid yourselves about it. 112 00:10:14,998 --> 00:10:18,794 So if any one of you have let yourself become involved 113 00:10:18,794 --> 00:10:21,630 with another boy, you better stop quick, 114 00:10:21,630 --> 00:10:25,801 because one out of three of you will turn queer. 115 00:10:25,801 --> 00:10:28,136 The rest of your life will be a living hell. 116 00:10:49,282 --> 00:10:51,284 I saw him in Prague. 117 00:10:52,369 --> 00:10:55,789 I must have been about 16, 17. 118 00:10:55,789 --> 00:10:58,416 And John was maybe a year younger. 119 00:11:01,128 --> 00:11:05,048 I just saw him on the ice and I thought it was so natural, 120 00:11:05,048 --> 00:11:06,299 and so wonderful. 121 00:11:08,718 --> 00:11:11,221 Beautiful arms, a great back, and the head up. 122 00:11:11,221 --> 00:11:13,306 It was just perfect. 123 00:11:13,306 --> 00:11:15,934 It was just so different to anyone else. 124 00:11:22,774 --> 00:11:25,277 Two more minutes of this five-minute programme left... 125 00:11:25,277 --> 00:11:27,654 I just went up to him and asked him, 126 00:11:27,654 --> 00:11:29,990 would he think that it's possible 127 00:11:29,990 --> 00:11:32,409 that I come and train at the same rink 128 00:11:32,409 --> 00:11:33,952 as he is in England? 129 00:11:37,247 --> 00:11:38,999 And then he said, "Yeah." 130 00:11:40,667 --> 00:11:42,752 I could come for a summer vacation. 131 00:11:47,507 --> 00:11:50,468 I've asked John if I could live maybe with him. 132 00:11:51,678 --> 00:11:53,555 Mrs Curry said yes. 133 00:11:56,349 --> 00:11:58,310 I never knew that he was gay then. 134 00:12:01,021 --> 00:12:03,607 That came later on when he lived in London. 135 00:12:05,650 --> 00:12:07,402 Youth, the swinging youth, 136 00:12:07,402 --> 00:12:11,114 who have given staid and sober old London its recent swinging metaphor. 137 00:12:17,454 --> 00:12:20,290 Out of the blue he said, "Oh, I fancy you." 138 00:12:22,292 --> 00:12:24,461 I thought, "What does that mean?" 139 00:12:26,171 --> 00:12:27,547 I soon found out. 140 00:12:30,884 --> 00:12:35,263 I just hugged him and kissed him and that was when it started. 141 00:12:35,263 --> 00:12:38,183 Yeah, I started to become in love with him. 142 00:12:42,979 --> 00:12:46,399 John came home, put on music. 143 00:12:46,399 --> 00:12:50,278 He danced and he choreographed in the living room. 144 00:12:52,239 --> 00:12:54,783 I think he was also deeply in love. 145 00:12:57,535 --> 00:13:02,040 Switzerland and London wasn't next door to one another. 146 00:13:04,709 --> 00:13:06,503 We wrote to one another. 147 00:13:06,503 --> 00:13:09,381 It was almost the daily thing to do. 148 00:13:11,007 --> 00:13:12,592 Dear Heinz. 149 00:13:12,592 --> 00:13:16,346 I guess it will be Saturday or maybe Friday when you receive this letter. 150 00:13:16,346 --> 00:13:19,140 I always feel very lonely on Friday nights. 151 00:13:19,140 --> 00:13:21,643 In the week, there is skating and work, but the weekend, 152 00:13:21,643 --> 00:13:23,520 I have time to think. 153 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,648 Thinking is the worst thing a person can do...! 154 00:13:26,648 --> 00:13:30,235 I just want to hold you and feel your arms around me, 155 00:13:30,235 --> 00:13:31,945 just to feel you love me. 156 00:13:31,945 --> 00:13:34,239 I think he was very often depressed. 157 00:13:35,323 --> 00:13:36,449 Very often. 158 00:13:37,617 --> 00:13:39,619 I got a job in a supermarket. 159 00:13:39,619 --> 00:13:41,746 I was always absolutely stony broke. 160 00:13:43,790 --> 00:13:46,543 I used to really worry most of the time about money 161 00:13:46,543 --> 00:13:51,214 rather than worrying about skating. It was very hard. 162 00:13:51,214 --> 00:13:54,134 I trained at Richmond ice rink, which is a good ice rink, 163 00:13:54,134 --> 00:13:56,553 but is open to the public. 164 00:13:56,553 --> 00:13:58,805 And there's just no way you can train 165 00:13:58,805 --> 00:14:01,975 in a public session with 300 or 400 people. 166 00:14:03,935 --> 00:14:06,271 Everything was unpleasant, you know? 167 00:14:06,271 --> 00:14:10,317 It just wasn't nice at all and I really got quite turned off to it. 168 00:14:11,776 --> 00:14:14,154 Dear Heinz. 169 00:14:14,154 --> 00:14:15,739 I'm sorry about my shaky writing, 170 00:14:15,739 --> 00:14:18,950 but I worked so hard this morning and I haven't stopped shaking yet. 171 00:14:18,950 --> 00:14:23,621 I did figures from 6:15am to 7:45am, more figures 8:20am to 9:10am. 172 00:14:23,621 --> 00:14:26,499 Then I free skating from 9:15am to 12:30pm. 173 00:14:29,294 --> 00:14:32,505 I wanted to ask you if I could borrow some money. 174 00:14:32,505 --> 00:14:35,300 I have very little left and I think Mr Gerschwiler 175 00:14:35,300 --> 00:14:37,927 may stop teaching me until I repay him. 176 00:14:41,056 --> 00:14:43,516 I've had the most frightening dreams again. 177 00:14:43,516 --> 00:14:47,479 I dream my father comes into the bedroom and wakes me up - 178 00:14:47,479 --> 00:14:52,359 and then I do wake up, I think, and I see him still there, 179 00:14:52,359 --> 00:14:56,738 but I think I'm still asleep and that I only dream I wake up. 180 00:14:58,448 --> 00:15:02,202 I just know that his father was dead. He died somehow. 181 00:15:04,204 --> 00:15:05,789 He didn't want to talk about it. 182 00:15:08,124 --> 00:15:12,545 He just said he died in not very nice circumstances. 183 00:15:14,255 --> 00:15:16,549 And that was the end of it. 184 00:15:20,095 --> 00:15:24,265 His father's death had a big impact on him, 185 00:15:24,265 --> 00:15:28,186 even though the thought that it was a suicide 186 00:15:28,186 --> 00:15:32,065 was something that he had a very difficult time accepting. 187 00:15:33,775 --> 00:15:38,196 There was a relief in a way that might horrify some people, 188 00:15:38,196 --> 00:15:40,156 but he was totally relieved. 189 00:15:43,034 --> 00:15:45,703 CHA-CHA MUSIC PLAYS 190 00:15:49,958 --> 00:15:52,544 We went out together sometimes in London. 191 00:15:54,087 --> 00:15:56,381 Then he met other guys also. 192 00:16:07,559 --> 00:16:09,519 Dear Heinz. 193 00:16:09,519 --> 00:16:13,189 I don't know quite how to start, so... 194 00:16:13,189 --> 00:16:15,608 My last letter came to you from London - 195 00:16:15,608 --> 00:16:17,861 I'd been wandering about all day. 196 00:16:17,861 --> 00:16:21,698 I went into the Colville and that is where I met Gilles. 197 00:16:23,491 --> 00:16:26,870 I didn't think I'd get entangled because he's so good-looking. 198 00:16:26,870 --> 00:16:29,998 I thought he must be able to have any boy he wanted. 199 00:16:31,291 --> 00:16:33,460 But it hasn't worked out like that. 200 00:16:33,460 --> 00:16:37,172 I'm living with him at weekends, and in August I'm moving in completely. 201 00:16:39,048 --> 00:16:42,719 You must be very angry with me, and I cannot blame you. 202 00:16:44,137 --> 00:16:46,347 I would like to have you always as my friend, 203 00:16:46,347 --> 00:16:48,266 but I have no right even to that. 204 00:16:52,812 --> 00:16:54,856 I didn't take much notice then. 205 00:16:54,856 --> 00:16:57,150 I just thought, "Oh, it's another one." 206 00:16:57,150 --> 00:17:00,361 I much rather would have had him for myself. 207 00:17:02,697 --> 00:17:06,451 I'm probably not the easiest person to befriend. 208 00:17:06,451 --> 00:17:08,912 I'm being honest about that. 209 00:17:08,912 --> 00:17:12,749 But I think real friends are very few and far between. 210 00:17:12,749 --> 00:17:14,876 And I'm very lucky, I have a handful. 211 00:17:17,253 --> 00:17:21,216 I knew that I was probably the most important for him, 212 00:17:21,216 --> 00:17:23,676 which has made it easier also for me. 213 00:17:26,346 --> 00:17:31,601 The friendship with John was the most important thing in my life. 214 00:17:41,152 --> 00:17:45,031 Dear Heinz. I've never been so miserable anywhere in my life. 215 00:17:45,031 --> 00:17:48,201 There is not one thing I can say I like about the place. 216 00:17:48,201 --> 00:17:52,205 Today, Mr G said, "You must not do that again. It is too..." 217 00:17:52,205 --> 00:17:54,082 "Too what?" I said. 218 00:17:54,082 --> 00:17:56,376 Then he said the music was not strong enough 219 00:17:56,376 --> 00:17:58,336 and I could do much better. 220 00:17:58,336 --> 00:18:02,382 I am fed up of everything I do is "too soft" - 221 00:18:02,382 --> 00:18:05,260 he said, "You will skate like a man!" 222 00:18:05,260 --> 00:18:09,013 I said, "I don't want to skate like any man I have ever seen!" 223 00:18:17,855 --> 00:18:20,858 he was world champion about ten years ago. 224 00:18:20,858 --> 00:18:24,571 He was noted for his high jumps and his extremely athletic style. 225 00:18:24,571 --> 00:18:25,905 What we are going to do is 226 00:18:25,905 --> 00:18:28,241 you're going to see a piece of Donald Jackson's 227 00:18:28,241 --> 00:18:32,662 World Championship performance, and then I'm going to skate to the same 228 00:18:32,662 --> 00:18:36,708 piece of music, doing it the way I would like to do it now, 229 00:18:36,708 --> 00:18:39,586 using the whole body and trying to express the music. 230 00:18:39,586 --> 00:18:44,799 MUSIC: Habanera by George Bizet 231 00:18:50,388 --> 00:18:55,018 I wanted to skate better than anyone I had ever seen skate before, 232 00:18:55,018 --> 00:18:56,436 in a different way. 233 00:18:59,731 --> 00:19:04,027 And I wanted to be able to convince people in general 234 00:19:04,027 --> 00:19:06,988 that skating had more to offer than was generally seen. 235 00:19:15,455 --> 00:19:18,416 I knew that the only way I'd ever get to be able to do it 236 00:19:18,416 --> 00:19:20,335 was by winning the Olympics. 237 00:19:35,308 --> 00:19:37,935 John Curry, a whirlwind of talent, 238 00:19:37,935 --> 00:19:40,438 is the stuff of which excellence is made. 239 00:19:40,438 --> 00:19:42,982 He is Britain's best skater. 240 00:19:42,982 --> 00:19:46,778 It's only by leaving Britain that John Curry has been able to make his 241 00:19:46,778 --> 00:19:48,404 talent shine. 242 00:19:49,489 --> 00:19:51,741 Dear Heinz. 243 00:19:51,741 --> 00:19:54,994 How clever of you to guess I'd be here! 244 00:19:56,412 --> 00:19:59,624 The thermometer shows the temperature has gone up a couple - 245 00:19:59,624 --> 00:20:03,169 it's now 42 here at the KOA Weather Centre. 246 00:20:03,169 --> 00:20:06,464 The last few months have been among the best of my life. 247 00:20:06,464 --> 00:20:08,466 I've lived in great style in beautiful places, 248 00:20:08,466 --> 00:20:10,134 skating to my heart's content. 249 00:20:11,969 --> 00:20:15,390 I don't really fully understand what brought me to the green pasture. 250 00:20:15,390 --> 00:20:18,810 By rights I should be in very different circumstances. 251 00:20:18,810 --> 00:20:21,020 The man who made it all lovely is a friendly, 252 00:20:21,020 --> 00:20:23,731 American millionaire who saw in John Curry 253 00:20:23,731 --> 00:20:25,900 a talent floundering in frustration. 254 00:20:25,900 --> 00:20:28,861 It was a story out of Cinderella on Ice. 255 00:20:28,861 --> 00:20:31,823 After the World Championships in Bratislava, 256 00:20:31,823 --> 00:20:33,783 a man walked up to me and said, 257 00:20:33,783 --> 00:20:36,202 "I have enjoyed your skating for the last three years. 258 00:20:36,202 --> 00:20:39,414 "You given a great deal of pleasure and I'd like to help you." 259 00:20:39,414 --> 00:20:41,541 I had the financial resources 260 00:20:41,541 --> 00:20:44,419 that are more than I myself think I'll need 261 00:20:44,419 --> 00:20:48,965 for the rest of my life, and I don't like to see people with real talent 262 00:20:48,965 --> 00:20:51,300 have to stop just for the want of money. 263 00:20:54,595 --> 00:20:58,391 Suddenly, I could put all my energy into the skating. 264 00:20:58,391 --> 00:21:00,852 I never, ever had to think about money again. 265 00:21:03,646 --> 00:21:07,400 He gave Curry the money to buy what he needed most - 266 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,027 freedom, time, ice... 267 00:21:11,738 --> 00:21:13,865 ..and the best coach in the world. 268 00:21:13,865 --> 00:21:15,783 Down, up. OK. 269 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,079 The second one... 270 00:21:20,079 --> 00:21:23,458 My husband was very hesitant taking him 271 00:21:23,458 --> 00:21:26,627 because he had heard many stories, 272 00:21:26,627 --> 00:21:29,964 you know, that he was difficult and so on. 273 00:21:29,964 --> 00:21:33,718 Don't get upset for nothing, like sometimes you get it. 274 00:21:33,718 --> 00:21:36,512 We honestly never had any problems. 275 00:21:36,512 --> 00:21:38,848 As a matter of fact, we were good friends. 276 00:21:38,848 --> 00:21:40,641 There. That's just lazy. 277 00:21:40,641 --> 00:21:42,935 He knew what he wanted, 278 00:21:42,935 --> 00:21:48,191 but he had very bad figures and my husband was very famous 279 00:21:50,234 --> 00:21:53,446 Top-class skating is divided into two parts. 280 00:21:53,446 --> 00:21:55,448 Figure skating, crisp circles, 281 00:21:55,448 --> 00:21:57,992 sliced into the ice in perfect symmetry. 282 00:21:59,118 --> 00:22:02,955 The figures is demanding. It was very boring for many people. 283 00:22:02,955 --> 00:22:04,499 For him, it wasn't boring. 284 00:22:04,499 --> 00:22:07,710 It's like, you learn the piano, what do you have to learn first? 285 00:22:07,710 --> 00:22:09,712 The scales, or whatever. 286 00:22:13,007 --> 00:22:15,968 The second part is the interpretive freestyle, 287 00:22:15,968 --> 00:22:19,347 a strenuous marriage of technique and exuberant artistry. 288 00:22:21,599 --> 00:22:25,228 John was known as a skater that was very talented, 289 00:22:25,228 --> 00:22:29,065 but he many times blew it at the last minute. 290 00:22:30,983 --> 00:22:33,236 He was always quite inconsistent. 291 00:22:33,236 --> 00:22:36,239 John always was nervous about the jumps. 292 00:22:36,239 --> 00:22:39,492 In Munich, '74, he fell apart. 293 00:22:39,492 --> 00:22:42,161 He skates around in a catatonic state. 294 00:22:42,161 --> 00:22:44,247 We've all got problems. 295 00:22:44,247 --> 00:22:46,707 If you don't have any problems, you aren't here. 296 00:22:46,707 --> 00:22:50,545 I took a course at the Erhart Seminar Training, EST. 297 00:22:50,545 --> 00:22:52,755 If you were not a success, in other words 298 00:22:52,755 --> 00:22:55,633 if you weren't filling your need for love and belongingness 299 00:22:55,633 --> 00:22:57,134 you wouldn't be here tonight. 300 00:22:57,134 --> 00:22:59,303 You'd more likely be institutionalised. 301 00:22:59,303 --> 00:23:01,639 I took it because there was absolutely no point 302 00:23:01,639 --> 00:23:04,350 in working hard for a year and going to the Olympics 303 00:23:04,350 --> 00:23:07,103 and being nervous about not performing my best. 304 00:23:07,103 --> 00:23:10,231 They had to scream on top of their lungs 305 00:23:10,231 --> 00:23:13,025 and tell all of their insecurities 306 00:23:13,025 --> 00:23:16,028 in front of many, many people. 307 00:23:16,028 --> 00:23:20,867 They had a certain thought process that they had to go through. 308 00:23:20,867 --> 00:23:22,535 Life has changed totally. 309 00:23:22,535 --> 00:23:25,788 That really helped him be able to focus 310 00:23:25,788 --> 00:23:28,541 and to not get nervous any more. 311 00:23:28,541 --> 00:23:31,544 Before every performance, he had to go into a quiet little room 312 00:23:31,544 --> 00:23:33,421 and I would stay there behind 313 00:23:33,421 --> 00:23:36,841 watching that nobody would come in, and he would do his 314 00:23:36,841 --> 00:23:40,219 thinking through everything and then come out, 315 00:23:40,219 --> 00:23:42,263 completely, like, in the zone. 316 00:23:43,598 --> 00:23:46,058 I had so geared myself to winning, 317 00:23:46,058 --> 00:23:49,395 I saw myself doing it all the time, in my mind's eye, 318 00:23:49,395 --> 00:23:50,980 I saw myself doing it. 319 00:23:53,983 --> 00:23:57,820 Dear Nancy. Here we are in 1975. 320 00:23:57,820 --> 00:24:01,407 '75 sounds like the end of the century to me. 321 00:24:01,407 --> 00:24:05,369 I feel very happy with the progress I've made during 1974. 322 00:24:05,369 --> 00:24:08,164 It's been a terrifically exciting year for me 323 00:24:08,164 --> 00:24:10,041 and the happiest of my life. 324 00:24:10,041 --> 00:24:13,210 We're living in an age of such widespread uncertainty and darkness 325 00:24:13,210 --> 00:24:15,671 that I feel doubly lucky. 326 00:24:15,671 --> 00:24:18,799 I owe so much to you and a few others. 327 00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:21,802 Perhaps one day I'll create something so beautiful, 328 00:24:21,802 --> 00:24:24,055 the debt will be settled. 329 00:24:24,055 --> 00:24:26,140 Now, then, you may remember that on Thursday 330 00:24:26,140 --> 00:24:27,934 I said I'd been meeting another John. 331 00:24:27,934 --> 00:24:31,062 Today he's the new European men's silver medallist skating 332 00:24:31,062 --> 00:24:34,023 champion, John Curry. Many congratulations. 333 00:24:34,023 --> 00:24:37,318 You've got your silver medal with you, if we can have a quick look. 334 00:24:37,318 --> 00:24:40,363 Yes, I think it means, "He who deserves it gets it." 335 00:24:40,363 --> 00:24:42,198 Well, you certainly deserved it. 336 00:24:42,198 --> 00:24:45,076 And you seem very pleased with the marks that you got. 337 00:24:45,076 --> 00:24:48,371 In fact, we can watch this again now, to see how you reacted. 338 00:24:50,581 --> 00:24:53,084 John, what did you think of your chances over there, 339 00:24:53,084 --> 00:24:55,002 especially with the Russian skaters? 340 00:24:55,002 --> 00:24:58,172 Well, I knew that I'd have to do very well in the school figures 341 00:24:58,172 --> 00:25:01,133 to have a chance, but I thought I'd be around... 342 00:25:01,133 --> 00:25:02,802 Well, in the first three. 343 00:25:04,512 --> 00:25:07,890 When there's unrest, the Reds have only one answer - a show of might. 344 00:25:11,310 --> 00:25:14,981 When you get international, it isn't Bill versus Joe. 345 00:25:14,981 --> 00:25:19,360 It's Britain versus East Germany or the Russian skaters. 346 00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:20,820 Yes, it was very political. 347 00:25:20,820 --> 00:25:23,572 The Russians always wanted to be on top. 348 00:25:23,572 --> 00:25:28,828 If Curry's name was Gorinski or Grovkovski, or Koralev, 349 00:25:29,495 --> 00:25:32,248 he'd probably be world champion of the last two years. 350 00:25:49,098 --> 00:25:52,018 You don't think the Russians can skate, for instance, do you, 351 00:25:52,018 --> 00:25:55,771 the males? I don't, no. What's wrong with them? 352 00:25:55,771 --> 00:25:58,983 They are so crude, they're so unmusical, 353 00:25:58,983 --> 00:26:01,610 and they don't have... No quality. 354 00:26:01,610 --> 00:26:05,990 It makes me so cross when they say the Russian skaters are so balletic, 355 00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:08,034 they are so wonderful, they're so trained. 356 00:26:08,034 --> 00:26:10,161 I know the Russian skaters better than most, 357 00:26:10,161 --> 00:26:11,454 and I know how bad they are 358 00:26:11,454 --> 00:26:13,706 and I know that they won't take a ballet class. 359 00:26:13,706 --> 00:26:14,999 I know all that side of it 360 00:26:14,999 --> 00:26:17,126 and it makes me really cross when I hear it. 361 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,506 The most important day in a competition for me was 362 00:26:22,506 --> 00:26:26,260 when they drew the judges. I would just sit there counting East, West. 363 00:26:26,260 --> 00:26:29,221 I'd go, one for East Germany, one for Britain, 364 00:26:29,221 --> 00:26:31,057 and go through it that way. 365 00:26:31,057 --> 00:26:33,392 When you had five Eastern Bloc judges, 366 00:26:33,392 --> 00:26:35,436 you'd kiss your chances goodbye. 367 00:26:35,436 --> 00:26:39,482 You appreciate that what you are actually saying is that skating 368 00:26:39,482 --> 00:26:44,528 is corrupt? Yes, it is. The whole system is very, very corrupt. 369 00:26:44,528 --> 00:26:47,281 I had the feeling that he's probably one of the best, 370 00:26:47,281 --> 00:26:49,992 if not the best skater that ever came. 371 00:26:49,992 --> 00:26:54,246 The only doubt was how to convince the other people, 372 00:26:54,246 --> 00:26:56,248 many coaches, judges, 373 00:26:56,248 --> 00:27:00,086 they thought that skating was only jump and run, jump and run. 374 00:27:03,297 --> 00:27:05,800 Nobody really liked his way of skating. 375 00:27:10,596 --> 00:27:12,139 I changed my attitude. 376 00:27:12,139 --> 00:27:16,102 I set the programme so that no-one could miss the difficulty 377 00:27:16,102 --> 00:27:17,812 of what I was doing. 378 00:27:25,027 --> 00:27:28,405 Most people take two to three months to put together 379 00:27:28,405 --> 00:27:30,241 a free skating programme. 380 00:27:30,241 --> 00:27:34,036 John actually choreographed it on the aeroplane between 381 00:27:34,036 --> 00:27:35,704 Manhattan and Denver. 382 00:27:40,709 --> 00:27:42,753 He just had a vision. 383 00:27:42,753 --> 00:27:46,882 I think he did 25 perfect programmes before we went to the Europeans. 384 00:27:46,882 --> 00:27:50,970 Don't be psyched out by any Russian or by any East German, 385 00:27:50,970 --> 00:27:53,347 just go down and look the best. You ARE the best. 386 00:27:53,347 --> 00:27:55,558 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 387 00:27:58,144 --> 00:28:00,938 Now in the finals of the men's figure skating event, 388 00:28:00,938 --> 00:28:03,482 here is, from Great Britain, John Curry. 389 00:28:05,317 --> 00:28:08,404 He called me the day before the Europeans 390 00:28:08,404 --> 00:28:11,240 and said, "There are five Eastern judges 391 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,075 "to four Western judges." 392 00:28:14,493 --> 00:28:16,745 I think I won't have a chance. 393 00:28:16,745 --> 00:28:20,916 John was up against a political situation. 394 00:28:21,959 --> 00:28:25,296 John is one point behind the leader after short programme results. 395 00:28:28,257 --> 00:28:31,177 Don Quixote was really his way of saying, 396 00:28:31,177 --> 00:28:35,055 "I'm trying to do the impossible and I still believe." 397 00:28:39,727 --> 00:28:43,564 His lessons of psychology did work very well. 398 00:28:43,564 --> 00:28:46,692 It was amazing for me at that time, 399 00:28:46,692 --> 00:28:50,070 to see that this person has just turned himself on like a machine. 400 00:28:51,572 --> 00:28:54,116 Then go ahead and do exactly what he's supposed to do 401 00:28:54,116 --> 00:28:55,326 without any mistakes. 402 00:29:02,917 --> 00:29:05,044 CHEERING 403 00:29:05,044 --> 00:29:09,298 The Czechoslovakian judge breaks rank. 404 00:29:09,298 --> 00:29:10,841 And he votes for John. 405 00:29:14,053 --> 00:29:18,182 And now John is the European champion going into the Olympics, 406 00:29:18,182 --> 00:29:20,351 and that shifted everything. 407 00:29:25,397 --> 00:29:28,192 The Winter Olympics of 1976. 408 00:29:28,192 --> 00:29:32,363 The British team, led by Britain's gold medal hope, skater John Curry. 409 00:29:32,363 --> 00:29:34,782 You've come here as a favourite for the gold medal. 410 00:29:34,782 --> 00:29:36,909 You don't feel too overconfident at all? 411 00:29:36,909 --> 00:29:39,411 No, I know... Well, no, I don't think so. 412 00:29:39,411 --> 00:29:41,163 If I'd been beaten in Europeans, 413 00:29:41,163 --> 00:29:43,290 I would have come, thinking, "All right, 414 00:29:43,290 --> 00:29:44,959 "they are going to beat me again." 415 00:29:44,959 --> 00:29:48,087 But now, I think, now I CAN beat them. I know I can. 416 00:29:48,087 --> 00:29:51,966 There's something different about the Olympics. 417 00:29:51,966 --> 00:29:54,093 It is your one shot. 418 00:29:54,093 --> 00:29:56,595 It's do or die in front of the entire world. 419 00:29:57,763 --> 00:29:59,598 Every decision you've ever made, 420 00:29:59,598 --> 00:30:01,684 every hardship you've ever gone through, 421 00:30:01,684 --> 00:30:05,813 the pressure of your entire life riding on six minutes. 422 00:30:10,401 --> 00:30:14,655 John Curry, champion of Great Britain, champion of Europe. 423 00:30:15,781 --> 00:30:20,286 John knew if he did not win the Olympic gold medal 424 00:30:20,286 --> 00:30:24,498 that he would not be able to form his own dance company, 425 00:30:24,498 --> 00:30:26,292 that nobody would accept him. 426 00:30:29,295 --> 00:30:31,130 He was very determined. 427 00:30:31,130 --> 00:30:33,465 "I'm going to skate and I'm going to win." 428 00:30:53,068 --> 00:30:57,156 Most skaters come along and they take ballet lessons. 429 00:30:57,156 --> 00:30:58,824 They don't translate it to ice. 430 00:31:00,993 --> 00:31:04,330 He's done it. A triple toe loop, a double toe salchow 431 00:31:04,330 --> 00:31:05,873 and a triple salchow, 432 00:31:05,873 --> 00:31:08,459 in that opening 45 seconds of the programme. 433 00:31:12,463 --> 00:31:14,173 He was different. 434 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,015 His positions and body lines were superb. 435 00:31:32,107 --> 00:31:35,903 What a beautiful spin. Absolutely on the spot. 436 00:31:35,903 --> 00:31:37,446 This is great artistic skating. 437 00:31:40,157 --> 00:31:42,868 I remember standing at the Olympics 438 00:31:42,868 --> 00:31:46,163 and just watching this moment of perfection. 439 00:31:53,462 --> 00:31:57,424 Double axle, two and a half turns. 440 00:32:09,144 --> 00:32:11,855 When he hit the spread eagle at the end, 441 00:32:11,855 --> 00:32:14,191 he must have known it was the performance of his life 442 00:32:14,191 --> 00:32:15,317 and that was it. 443 00:32:21,031 --> 00:32:24,660 John Curry did not put a foot wrong. 444 00:32:26,787 --> 00:32:31,208 John Curry has won the Olympic gold medal for figure skating. 445 00:32:36,213 --> 00:32:38,632 The judges had come to me and said, 446 00:32:38,632 --> 00:32:43,178 "Finally, we've found a balance between artistry and athleticism." 447 00:32:43,178 --> 00:32:45,889 And I hope that it will influence skating. 448 00:32:47,099 --> 00:32:49,768 Mrs Curry, you must be very, very proud indeed. 449 00:32:49,768 --> 00:32:51,311 I am. I'm so pleased for John. 450 00:32:54,064 --> 00:32:56,442 Well, you must be very proud tonight. 451 00:32:56,442 --> 00:32:58,360 I am. I am. Listen. 452 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,696 For once, I'd done it right. 453 00:33:09,121 --> 00:33:12,082 Can you imagine what it would be like to wake up, 454 00:33:12,082 --> 00:33:15,544 having won a gold medal, your dream since you were a child, 455 00:33:15,544 --> 00:33:17,671 and then to go to a press conference 456 00:33:17,671 --> 00:33:21,467 where you've already been warned that the major thing of interest 457 00:33:21,467 --> 00:33:24,094 amongst all the press as to whether he, John, 458 00:33:24,094 --> 00:33:26,638 was going to tell them whether or not he was gay? 459 00:33:34,271 --> 00:33:37,316 Nobody was openly gay, whether they were gay or not. 460 00:33:40,986 --> 00:33:44,823 It certainly wasn't the accepted thing to have a gold medallist in an 461 00:33:44,823 --> 00:33:46,617 Olympic sport who was a gay man. 462 00:33:53,248 --> 00:33:55,876 I had thought if I said to a journalist, 463 00:33:55,876 --> 00:33:57,419 "This is off the record," 464 00:33:57,419 --> 00:34:00,297 that it meant that they wouldn't say anything about it. 465 00:34:03,550 --> 00:34:08,430 A lot of people said that I, quote, "came out" at the Olympics. 466 00:34:10,849 --> 00:34:14,228 But I didn't. I never intentionally set out to make a statement. 467 00:34:16,939 --> 00:34:18,649 But then, having done it, 468 00:34:18,649 --> 00:34:21,401 I'm not going to turn round and say that it's not true 469 00:34:21,401 --> 00:34:23,654 or I'm ashamed of it or anything else. 470 00:34:29,826 --> 00:34:35,082 But suddenly, I became aware of a great wave of support, real support, 471 00:34:36,375 --> 00:34:39,545 that came from England, which was awfully nice. 472 00:34:39,545 --> 00:34:41,630 I'd never experienced anything like that. 473 00:34:41,630 --> 00:34:43,799 I actually thought people wanted me to do well. 474 00:34:50,764 --> 00:34:54,643 Every letter I've had has been about my skating. 475 00:34:54,643 --> 00:34:58,397 They're not interesting in knowing what I do in my private life. 476 00:34:59,523 --> 00:35:02,943 And the winner, the BBC Sports Personality Of The Year, 477 00:35:02,943 --> 00:35:05,362 the viewers' choice, John Curry. 478 00:35:05,362 --> 00:35:07,072 Ladies and gentlemen, John Curry. 479 00:35:08,782 --> 00:35:10,450 Sante. Cheers. 480 00:35:14,246 --> 00:35:18,709 Dear Nancy. My week in England has been extremely exciting. 481 00:35:18,709 --> 00:35:23,255 Yesterday, I was guest of honour at the Award For Valour in sport. 482 00:35:23,255 --> 00:35:26,341 I was introduced as, "A man of great social courage." 483 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,054 I've never thought of myself in that light. 484 00:35:32,514 --> 00:35:36,018 Mother has been wonderful about everything. 485 00:35:36,018 --> 00:35:39,521 We talked about my being gay and she was so kind and understanding. 486 00:35:41,189 --> 00:35:43,150 That has been one of the greatest things 487 00:35:43,150 --> 00:35:44,818 to have come out of the Olympics. 488 00:35:48,196 --> 00:35:50,532 In the middle of London's West End Theatreland, 489 00:35:50,532 --> 00:35:54,077 it's the only Playhouse whose boards are made of water. 490 00:35:54,077 --> 00:35:57,873 Transforming the Cambridge into the John Curry Theatre of skating. 491 00:35:59,499 --> 00:36:02,544 Describe the show. Is it like ice shows we've always seen, 492 00:36:02,544 --> 00:36:05,255 with glitter and ultraviolet, underwater scenes? 493 00:36:05,255 --> 00:36:06,798 Well, I hope not! 494 00:36:08,425 --> 00:36:12,346 I think having trained for 15 years and then you have to go and dress up 495 00:36:12,346 --> 00:36:15,307 as Donald Duck or Bugs Bunny, I can't see the point of that. 496 00:36:20,312 --> 00:36:22,397 What I've always wanted to do was 497 00:36:22,397 --> 00:36:25,567 to take the finest skaters I could find, 498 00:36:25,567 --> 00:36:29,905 bring them to very fine choreographers, good musicians, 499 00:36:29,905 --> 00:36:34,284 and creative designers and put the whole thing together. 500 00:36:38,372 --> 00:36:41,875 When we were young, we skated together, we practised together. 501 00:36:41,875 --> 00:36:46,129 And we would talk about having this wonderful ballet company on ice. 502 00:36:48,215 --> 00:36:50,467 So, when John did turn professional, 503 00:36:50,467 --> 00:36:53,053 he came into my dressing room and he said, 504 00:36:53,053 --> 00:36:54,805 "You're the first person I've asked. 505 00:36:54,805 --> 00:36:58,266 "Would you like to become a member of my skating company?" 506 00:37:02,646 --> 00:37:05,482 My eyes lit up. I thought, "This is what I've always wanted." 507 00:37:09,945 --> 00:37:12,406 It's lovely for me to be on the ice with other people. 508 00:37:12,406 --> 00:37:16,243 I love that because, you know, often I used to be skating and thinking, 509 00:37:16,243 --> 00:37:20,247 "It would be so nice to have someone to relate to and to sort of skate to 510 00:37:20,247 --> 00:37:22,082 "and with." And now, 511 00:37:22,082 --> 00:37:24,418 I skate with one other person and two other people 512 00:37:24,418 --> 00:37:26,211 and sometimes with six other people. 513 00:37:26,211 --> 00:37:29,256 And that's lovely. That's like a whole new feeling for me. 514 00:37:32,592 --> 00:37:36,805 It's not ballet. On the ice, we can move in a way that no-one else can. 515 00:37:43,603 --> 00:37:46,773 Would you ever now consider taking those skates off and making 516 00:37:46,773 --> 00:37:48,567 a career as a dancer? 517 00:37:49,526 --> 00:37:51,319 I don't think I would, seriously, 518 00:37:51,319 --> 00:37:54,114 because I haven't really finished learning to skate yet, 519 00:37:54,114 --> 00:37:57,826 so I'm certainly not going to start thinking about anything else. 520 00:38:12,174 --> 00:38:14,551 Once the doors opened, he said, 521 00:38:14,551 --> 00:38:17,220 "I've just got to do something right away 522 00:38:17,220 --> 00:38:19,139 "that will get everyone to 523 00:38:19,139 --> 00:38:22,225 "shift...their perspective of skating." 524 00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:32,861 And what a perfect vehicle was Afternoon Of A Fawn. 525 00:38:34,863 --> 00:38:36,782 Because of its ballet history. 526 00:38:40,827 --> 00:38:44,539 I mean, if he ever wanted to bring ballet to the ice, this was it. 527 00:38:55,842 --> 00:38:59,262 It's the piece which is his defining moment. 528 00:39:11,483 --> 00:39:15,946 The story is there is a fawn who's alone in a forest... 529 00:39:19,157 --> 00:39:21,243 ..and encounters a nymph... 530 00:39:35,006 --> 00:39:38,510 ..and captures the nymph, fleetingly. 531 00:39:44,766 --> 00:39:47,185 And then the nymph escapes again, 532 00:39:47,185 --> 00:39:49,145 as if it's almost, like, too much. 533 00:40:06,580 --> 00:40:10,834 It is very intimate and I would say it's a very sensual piece. 534 00:40:14,546 --> 00:40:16,339 There was the Nijinsky ballet. 535 00:40:17,382 --> 00:40:19,467 And then there was the Jerome Robbins ballet. 536 00:40:20,802 --> 00:40:23,096 But the movements and the way they were all presented 537 00:40:23,096 --> 00:40:24,389 were very different. 538 00:40:26,474 --> 00:40:30,228 In skating, you can hold a pose, not move a muscle, 539 00:40:30,228 --> 00:40:31,938 and you're still moving. 540 00:40:41,740 --> 00:40:44,284 There's one section where they crisscross 541 00:40:44,284 --> 00:40:46,369 and they're both holding a pose. 542 00:40:46,369 --> 00:40:48,830 And the audience holds their breath. 543 00:40:48,830 --> 00:40:50,624 And then he pushes backwards. 544 00:40:53,710 --> 00:40:58,632 And what you feel is the power and the purity of just the glide alone. 545 00:41:07,390 --> 00:41:12,020 That's what separates his Afternoon Of A Fawn from the dance versions. 546 00:41:16,483 --> 00:41:20,612 The Afternoon Of A Fawn is about intimacy, lust, and love. 547 00:41:23,281 --> 00:41:27,035 Here are these two dancers performing something very intimate. 548 00:41:28,286 --> 00:41:29,829 But not really connecting. 549 00:41:33,792 --> 00:41:35,543 Feeling like this is too close. 550 00:41:35,543 --> 00:41:38,296 "This is too close. It's too much. 551 00:41:38,296 --> 00:41:40,006 "I can't do it." 552 00:41:43,259 --> 00:41:45,261 And so then they flee from each other. 553 00:41:49,766 --> 00:41:53,812 When they're done, you wonder, was it real 554 00:41:53,812 --> 00:41:55,939 or was it a dream? 555 00:42:05,532 --> 00:42:08,201 And maybe that was part of the pattern of his life. 556 00:42:08,201 --> 00:42:12,497 What he yearned for so much was maybe more than what 557 00:42:12,497 --> 00:42:17,669 he may have been capable of stepping into, with his full, full being. 558 00:42:23,758 --> 00:42:25,677 That was when Ron came on the scene. 559 00:42:27,429 --> 00:42:29,097 Ron was his downfall. 560 00:42:35,645 --> 00:42:38,648 Ron was big and he wasn't a good skater. 561 00:42:40,608 --> 00:42:43,945 Some of us wondered how on earth he was in the show. 562 00:42:45,780 --> 00:42:49,826 They had a relationship, everybody in the company knew. 563 00:42:49,826 --> 00:42:53,621 And John seemed happier, less moody. 564 00:42:54,914 --> 00:42:59,002 I know that he liked someone a bit rough. 565 00:42:59,002 --> 00:43:01,504 He enjoyed that, more than anything. 566 00:43:02,672 --> 00:43:07,385 Ron was all into this S&M stuff - chains and handcuffs. 567 00:43:07,385 --> 00:43:10,013 I think that Ron took him to places 568 00:43:10,013 --> 00:43:13,183 he probably wouldn't have gone to before. 569 00:43:15,977 --> 00:43:17,645 I never liked Ron. 570 00:43:17,645 --> 00:43:22,817 Ron was at least as tough on John than John was on all of his friends. 571 00:43:24,069 --> 00:43:26,821 I think John had this hidden shame, 572 00:43:26,821 --> 00:43:30,325 so this punishing thing got more and more... 573 00:43:32,410 --> 00:43:34,454 There was one night he came in, 574 00:43:34,454 --> 00:43:36,706 John was in front of a mirror 575 00:43:36,706 --> 00:43:40,126 and his face was really badly bruised and cut. 576 00:43:41,419 --> 00:43:43,671 And he said that he had been attacked. 577 00:43:45,173 --> 00:43:46,508 He had been mugged. 578 00:43:49,385 --> 00:43:51,930 The show went on for about ten days without him. 579 00:44:05,110 --> 00:44:07,987 John Curry now lives in New York and is rehearsing with noted 580 00:44:07,987 --> 00:44:11,533 choreographers here in Westchester for the first American tour of his 581 00:44:11,533 --> 00:44:13,618 newly formed company. 582 00:44:13,618 --> 00:44:16,746 You go... One, two, three... 583 00:44:18,498 --> 00:44:21,960 Is it possible to go... One... 584 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,921 One...two, three. 585 00:44:24,921 --> 00:44:27,715 So... HE WHISTLES THE MELODY 586 00:44:30,343 --> 00:44:31,761 We just need the beginning. 587 00:44:41,938 --> 00:44:43,898 OK. One more time. 588 00:44:43,898 --> 00:44:47,235 It's just the beginning, you stay and then... Just a little bit. 589 00:45:00,415 --> 00:45:02,041 And then now. 590 00:45:02,041 --> 00:45:03,543 That's right, OK? 591 00:45:04,752 --> 00:45:06,713 OK. Now, we were here. 592 00:45:06,713 --> 00:45:10,091 Yeah. Bam ka-bam. 593 00:45:12,427 --> 00:45:16,055 Yeah? Bam. Yeah. 594 00:45:16,055 --> 00:45:17,724 Then you can go... Yeah. 595 00:45:20,018 --> 00:45:21,769 One, two. 596 00:45:23,521 --> 00:45:26,065 Not too big a jump. One, two, three. 597 00:45:30,528 --> 00:45:35,241 One, one, two, three, four. 598 00:45:35,241 --> 00:45:37,869 One, so maybe that way. 599 00:45:37,869 --> 00:45:40,622 Two, two, three, four. 600 00:45:41,789 --> 00:45:44,125 So nice when somebody tells me to do less, 601 00:45:44,125 --> 00:45:46,794 because everybody's usually telling me to do more! 602 00:45:46,794 --> 00:45:48,171 From the beginning. 603 00:45:55,386 --> 00:45:57,972 The show at the Minskoff... 604 00:45:59,224 --> 00:46:01,517 The lights of Broadway. 605 00:46:06,606 --> 00:46:09,025 There was a symphony, there was a stage. 606 00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,112 There was great lighting, there was great scenic design. 607 00:46:18,993 --> 00:46:22,413 Tango-Tango with JoJo Starbuck. That was a standout. 608 00:46:28,753 --> 00:46:33,132 It shows John in a whole other stylistic kind of milieu. 609 00:46:33,132 --> 00:46:36,219 He's almost like the macho dancer there. 610 00:46:38,846 --> 00:46:41,808 And then JoJo, who's a very strong female, 611 00:46:41,808 --> 00:46:46,104 pulling him in and manipulating him almost, if you look at the movement. 612 00:46:49,565 --> 00:46:51,317 And yet he has the last word. 613 00:46:58,533 --> 00:47:02,370 When someone has made inroads - like John did - into an art form, 614 00:47:02,370 --> 00:47:06,791 when someone is an innovator and has changed the way that we looked at 615 00:47:06,791 --> 00:47:09,294 skating, in this instance... 616 00:47:11,587 --> 00:47:14,215 New Yorkers built a pedestal for him 617 00:47:14,215 --> 00:47:17,510 and made a great noise about his excellence. 618 00:47:23,850 --> 00:47:27,520 We had a lot of wonderfully famous people who came to see the show. 619 00:47:29,939 --> 00:47:34,444 Ballet dancers, actors - Woody Allen, Diana Ross. 620 00:47:38,197 --> 00:47:40,450 He just loved the energy of the city. 621 00:47:42,618 --> 00:47:45,747 He loved everything about it, he loved taking his dance classes, 622 00:47:45,747 --> 00:47:47,040 he loved the social scene. 623 00:47:51,502 --> 00:47:54,464 And, of course, connecting with a lot of men. 624 00:47:59,260 --> 00:48:00,470 Dearest Heinz. 625 00:48:00,470 --> 00:48:02,847 You really would love New York. 626 00:48:02,847 --> 00:48:05,016 It's SUCH an exciting city. 627 00:48:05,016 --> 00:48:07,810 There are hundreds of beautiful men walking about 628 00:48:07,810 --> 00:48:10,563 and most of them seem to be gay. 629 00:48:10,563 --> 00:48:14,359 There's a gay place in the park that is very busy in the daytime 630 00:48:14,359 --> 00:48:16,235 and I guess even busier by night. 631 00:48:18,029 --> 00:48:21,115 The gay community was really sort of coming into its own, 632 00:48:21,115 --> 00:48:25,536 able to experience the gamut of their sexual desires, 633 00:48:25,536 --> 00:48:27,747 without consequence. 634 00:48:30,875 --> 00:48:33,586 There was some arguments between John and Ron 635 00:48:33,586 --> 00:48:35,671 and there was a big change in John. 636 00:48:39,133 --> 00:48:43,346 When things go wrong they, you know, tend to create their own problems. 637 00:48:46,849 --> 00:48:51,729 There was one tragic night at the Minskoff. 638 00:48:51,729 --> 00:48:55,858 John came out to do his solo and he was off balance. 639 00:48:57,402 --> 00:49:01,030 He went into his sit spin and he spun round on his bottom 640 00:49:01,030 --> 00:49:03,324 and sat there, like this, and 641 00:49:03,324 --> 00:49:06,452 obviously there was something very wrong. 642 00:49:09,664 --> 00:49:13,292 And John was breaking down, sobbing like a baby. 643 00:49:15,169 --> 00:49:17,255 Somebody said it was muscle relaxants, 644 00:49:17,255 --> 00:49:20,049 somebody said something else. Nobody really knew. 645 00:49:21,551 --> 00:49:24,137 After that, the show was stopped. 646 00:49:24,137 --> 00:49:27,265 MUSIC: Echo Beach by Martha And The Muffins 647 00:49:44,574 --> 00:49:47,660 Fire Island is an island off the coast of New York. 648 00:49:49,370 --> 00:49:51,205 Gay nirvana. 649 00:49:53,249 --> 00:49:55,501 There was a community there called The Pines. 650 00:49:57,336 --> 00:50:00,131 John, I think, felt very much at home, 651 00:50:00,131 --> 00:50:02,383 and that he was amongst his people. 652 00:50:02,383 --> 00:50:07,263 He was able to be fully expressive, to be VERY open about his sexuality. 653 00:50:10,933 --> 00:50:16,105 It was a chance to recover from the pressure that had mounted 654 00:50:16,105 --> 00:50:18,065 throughout his life. 655 00:50:18,065 --> 00:50:22,111 He would rent a house there and invite various friends to come 656 00:50:22,111 --> 00:50:24,197 and visit. 657 00:50:24,197 --> 00:50:27,158 You have to remember he had spent much of his time 658 00:50:27,158 --> 00:50:30,411 going into very cold ice rinks early in the morning. 659 00:50:30,411 --> 00:50:34,582 The opposite of that was Fire Island, in every way. 660 00:50:36,125 --> 00:50:41,380 It was sunny, it was the beach, there was really no responsibility. 661 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,302 There was a party crowd. 662 00:50:48,429 --> 00:50:50,681 They were determined to have a good time! 663 00:50:52,850 --> 00:50:54,060 And we did. 664 00:50:54,060 --> 00:50:56,562 # The sky's alive with light 665 00:50:58,314 --> 00:51:01,943 # Building in the distance Surrealistic sight 666 00:51:04,237 --> 00:51:08,741 # On Echo Beach Waves make the only sound 667 00:51:10,117 --> 00:51:13,538 # On Echo Beach There's not a soul around... # 668 00:51:16,207 --> 00:51:18,459 Dearest Cath. Well, as you can imagine, 669 00:51:18,459 --> 00:51:21,420 life has been rather hectic for me these past weeks. 670 00:51:21,420 --> 00:51:24,382 Still, I guess I can live through it. 671 00:51:24,382 --> 00:51:28,344 The summer is over and I'm getting used to the idea of living alone. 672 00:51:28,344 --> 00:51:30,513 Still miss Ron. 673 00:51:30,513 --> 00:51:32,515 I do hope we shall skate more. 674 00:51:34,225 --> 00:51:37,103 I was in Fire Island and he was sitting 675 00:51:37,103 --> 00:51:40,314 on one of those woodland walkway things. 676 00:51:40,314 --> 00:51:43,234 I said, "Hello, what are you doing?" 677 00:51:43,234 --> 00:51:46,654 And he said, "I was just wondering what it would feel like to drown." 678 00:51:48,531 --> 00:51:52,118 We had a very long conversation about how depressed he was. 679 00:51:52,118 --> 00:51:54,245 He was very lonely. 680 00:51:54,245 --> 00:51:59,083 To cut a long story short, we then went to see Stephen Lieber, 681 00:51:59,083 --> 00:52:01,419 who was a rock promoter. 682 00:52:01,419 --> 00:52:06,632 Steve ended up giving John the money to fly to Vale with a group of 683 00:52:07,341 --> 00:52:10,803 skaters to put together a repertory. 684 00:52:27,528 --> 00:52:29,488 Well, John, where are you based now, then? 685 00:52:29,488 --> 00:52:31,490 Well, I spend most of my time in America. 686 00:52:31,490 --> 00:52:33,618 I'm based more or less in Colorado, 687 00:52:33,618 --> 00:52:35,578 where I rehearse with my skating company. 688 00:52:39,540 --> 00:52:41,959 Every day we have a warm-up class, 689 00:52:41,959 --> 00:52:44,837 which is very much the same as a ballet class. 690 00:52:44,837 --> 00:52:48,591 In other words you start with very simple exercises and work up to the 691 00:52:48,591 --> 00:52:50,635 virtuoso stuff. 692 00:52:50,635 --> 00:52:54,889 I got a phone call saying John would like to invite you to join his 693 00:52:54,889 --> 00:52:58,726 company. In skating, if you're invited by John Curry 694 00:52:58,726 --> 00:53:02,813 to do anything, it would be like, in television, turning Oprah down. 695 00:53:02,813 --> 00:53:04,815 You know, you would never do that. 696 00:53:04,815 --> 00:53:06,692 Do you get lots of infighting about 697 00:53:06,692 --> 00:53:09,195 "I should be getting paid more than Joe Bloggs, 698 00:53:09,195 --> 00:53:11,072 "who is not as good a skater as I am?" 699 00:53:11,072 --> 00:53:14,325 No, what I did was, the reason a lot of my shows don't succeed 700 00:53:14,325 --> 00:53:16,285 is because someone earns a lot of money 701 00:53:16,285 --> 00:53:18,412 and most of the people earn virtually none. 702 00:53:18,412 --> 00:53:20,289 So we all have the same wages. 703 00:53:20,289 --> 00:53:22,541 Everyone in the show is paid the same amount of money. 704 00:53:23,793 --> 00:53:26,629 Which allows us to continue our work and we think that's the most 705 00:53:26,629 --> 00:53:27,755 important thing. 706 00:53:29,131 --> 00:53:31,217 He had a dream. 707 00:53:31,217 --> 00:53:35,554 He had a vision of what a great company and a great show should be. 708 00:53:37,056 --> 00:53:42,269 Having a live orchestra, flying in very well-known choreographers... 709 00:53:44,772 --> 00:53:46,607 ..and we wanted to give him that. 710 00:53:47,733 --> 00:53:49,402 No matter what. 711 00:53:52,822 --> 00:53:56,117 1982, we did four different events throughout Canada. 712 00:53:57,410 --> 00:54:00,663 I was always on the road. I was always the point guy, 713 00:54:00,663 --> 00:54:04,166 and it was during that period that I got to know who he was 714 00:54:04,166 --> 00:54:07,253 and understand him a little better. 715 00:54:09,380 --> 00:54:13,092 I felt that every female skater was either secretly 716 00:54:13,092 --> 00:54:15,136 or openly in love with him. 717 00:54:15,136 --> 00:54:18,264 He was physically the perfect male specimen. 718 00:54:19,974 --> 00:54:22,226 He was such an intimidating character 719 00:54:22,226 --> 00:54:24,770 and he could change his face quite quickly, 720 00:54:24,770 --> 00:54:28,190 so you never knew which John you were getting at that moment. 721 00:54:28,190 --> 00:54:33,446 He was a perfectionist and I think that probably contributed to his 722 00:54:34,029 --> 00:54:35,823 moodiness. 723 00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,703 Let's call it arrogance at times, 724 00:54:40,703 --> 00:54:43,706 standoffish at times, difficult at best. 725 00:54:43,706 --> 00:54:46,876 The usual thing with the arm, one, two. 726 00:54:46,876 --> 00:54:50,463 If he was in a good mood with a skater, he would be instructional. 727 00:54:50,463 --> 00:54:52,131 Use the same arm on the first two 728 00:54:52,131 --> 00:54:54,133 and then reverse arm on the second two. 729 00:54:54,133 --> 00:54:58,053 But he could be very mean to the female skaters. 730 00:54:59,180 --> 00:55:01,223 That's right. That's lovely. 731 00:55:01,223 --> 00:55:04,101 Specifically anybody that may have had a weight issue. 732 00:55:05,936 --> 00:55:09,523 He had very cutting acerbic kind of commentary. 733 00:55:09,523 --> 00:55:12,860 OK. Plie. You didn't do much of a plie. 734 00:55:12,860 --> 00:55:14,028 That's right. 735 00:55:14,028 --> 00:55:19,325 One, two, three, four, 736 00:55:23,496 --> 00:55:24,747 That's too much space. 737 00:55:24,747 --> 00:55:27,208 Skaters were in fear of him. 738 00:55:27,208 --> 00:55:30,795 We'll do it two at a time. No-one wanted to come under his microscope, 739 00:55:30,795 --> 00:55:33,464 yet everyone wanted to come under his microscope, 740 00:55:33,464 --> 00:55:36,383 and it was almost as if everyone understood 741 00:55:36,383 --> 00:55:38,844 that demons lived inside of him. 742 00:55:38,844 --> 00:55:42,556 It was like the great ballet masters. 743 00:55:42,556 --> 00:55:44,683 He demanded a lot, he got a lot... 744 00:55:46,310 --> 00:55:51,106 ..and he drilled them very rigorously on and off the ice. 745 00:55:52,483 --> 00:55:55,110 He took average skaters and made them incredible. 746 00:56:11,544 --> 00:56:14,213 SHE SPEAKS JAPANESE 747 00:56:17,716 --> 00:56:21,136 How do you feel, skating with a live orchestra? 748 00:56:21,136 --> 00:56:24,640 Well, it's a lot of fun and sometimes it is rather a challenge 749 00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:28,811 because every day the orchestra, being human, is slightly different, 750 00:56:28,811 --> 00:56:32,731 so one has to try and respond to the differences in the music. 751 00:56:35,401 --> 00:56:37,403 We were brought to Japan. 752 00:56:37,403 --> 00:56:41,532 It was gorgeous. They put ice all over the Yoyogi Stadium, 753 00:56:41,532 --> 00:56:43,576 they had the new Japan Philharmonic playing... 754 00:56:46,078 --> 00:56:49,248 ..but John was miserable, absolutely miserable. 755 00:56:54,879 --> 00:56:57,756 He walked in, he saw the arena, he saw billboards, 756 00:56:57,756 --> 00:56:59,133 and it was like, 757 00:56:59,133 --> 00:57:02,261 "I haven't worked all this hard to skate in front of signage." 758 00:57:04,722 --> 00:57:08,017 And he was really upset and he was not going to perform. 759 00:57:09,101 --> 00:57:13,230 The Japanese producers had put an applause in there 760 00:57:13,230 --> 00:57:15,900 and that was appalling to John. 761 00:57:15,900 --> 00:57:18,736 He didn't want to know, didn't want to skate, 762 00:57:18,736 --> 00:57:20,821 he didn't want anything to do with any of this. 763 00:57:22,406 --> 00:57:26,243 They then actually had to get the key of his room from the manager. 764 00:57:26,243 --> 00:57:31,165 Quite honestly I was concerned that he had taken his life at that time. 765 00:57:32,374 --> 00:57:34,418 He was deeply depressed. 766 00:57:34,418 --> 00:57:38,672 He said to me, "Some consider me to be a genius. 767 00:57:39,882 --> 00:57:41,967 "I want you to know that 768 00:57:41,967 --> 00:57:45,304 "that other side of the spectrum lives inside of me. 769 00:57:45,304 --> 00:57:48,223 "Whatever greatness you think I have, 770 00:57:48,223 --> 00:57:51,977 "there are demons of equal value that are inside of my soul." 771 00:57:54,396 --> 00:57:58,901 That was a side of John that was almost impossible to... 772 00:57:58,901 --> 00:58:01,570 You couldn't wave a wand to put that right. 773 00:58:01,570 --> 00:58:05,824 There was this deep melancholy, this despair inside of him. 774 00:58:08,077 --> 00:58:11,455 And it had nothing to do with the company he created. 775 00:58:11,455 --> 00:58:12,873 It was to do with something else, 776 00:58:12,873 --> 00:58:16,085 something in his life he wanted that he couldn't have. 777 00:58:17,211 --> 00:58:18,879 The battle was always the same. 778 00:58:18,879 --> 00:58:20,547 He didn't have a lover. 779 00:58:20,547 --> 00:58:22,549 He wanted a lover all the time. 780 00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:25,594 "I'm lonely, I need someone here..." 781 00:58:27,096 --> 00:58:28,430 A cry for help. 782 00:58:31,892 --> 00:58:35,604 Bobby Campbell of San Francisco and Billy Walker of New York both suffer 783 00:58:35,604 --> 00:58:38,190 from a mysterious newly discovered disease 784 00:58:38,190 --> 00:58:41,026 which affects mostly homosexual men. 785 00:58:41,026 --> 00:58:45,114 Many victims get a rare form of cancer called Kaposi sarcoma. 786 00:58:45,114 --> 00:58:47,783 Others get an infection known as pneumocystis pneumonia. 787 00:58:47,783 --> 00:58:51,912 We were in the dark. We didn't have very much information. 788 00:58:51,912 --> 00:58:55,499 Investigators have examined the habits of homosexuals for clues. 789 00:58:55,499 --> 00:58:57,584 I was in the fast lane at one time, 790 00:58:57,584 --> 00:59:00,587 in terms of the way I live my life, and now I'm not. 791 00:59:00,587 --> 00:59:03,966 It went from very light and carefree kind of living, 792 00:59:03,966 --> 00:59:07,052 to fear and caution. 793 00:59:07,052 --> 00:59:09,096 I have four friends that have died. 794 00:59:09,096 --> 00:59:10,848 I have two friends that are dying. 795 00:59:12,641 --> 00:59:15,185 I listen to them, brilliant people... 796 00:59:17,104 --> 00:59:18,522 ..brilliant people. 797 00:59:27,614 --> 00:59:31,452 John Curry is the man, it's said, who first turned athletics into art. 798 00:59:33,620 --> 00:59:36,165 It was he who first whetted the public's appetite for 799 00:59:36,165 --> 00:59:39,376 the ice wizardry that Torvill and Dean have lately been satisfying. 800 00:59:45,924 --> 00:59:49,970 For the last 14 months, he's poured his energies into training his 801 00:59:49,970 --> 00:59:54,099 ice dance company for next week's Symphony On Ice in the Albert Hall, 802 00:59:54,099 --> 00:59:55,601 of all places. 803 00:59:57,019 --> 00:59:58,812 You always fascinate me with your shows. 804 00:59:58,812 --> 01:00:00,355 I mean, it's called Symphony On Ice. 805 01:00:00,355 --> 01:00:02,733 It's unusual in that it's at the Royal Albert Hall. 806 01:00:02,733 --> 01:00:04,568 Have they ever had ice there before? 807 01:00:04,568 --> 01:00:07,654 No, they've had just about everything else, no ice skating. 808 01:00:09,239 --> 01:00:12,242 When I turned professional, it was the place I wanted to go to. 809 01:00:12,242 --> 01:00:15,871 It's taken me seven years to get there. 810 01:00:15,871 --> 01:00:18,415 This might be quite a naive question, but how do you build 811 01:00:18,415 --> 01:00:21,502 the rink? I mean, do you put in a little swimming pool and freeze it? 812 01:00:21,502 --> 01:00:25,005 I believe we had a week to put ice into the Albert Hall, 813 01:00:25,005 --> 01:00:27,299 which under normal conditions would have been enough. 814 01:00:30,177 --> 01:00:32,638 We had some stuff that came in a little late, 815 01:00:32,638 --> 01:00:34,348 so we were already behind schedule. 816 01:00:38,102 --> 01:00:41,188 We set up the rink and turned it on 817 01:00:41,188 --> 01:00:44,733 and we had a generator, and that broke down. 818 01:00:46,777 --> 01:00:49,863 When it became clear that we were jeopardising our opening night, 819 01:00:49,863 --> 01:00:52,407 we began to bring in ice trucks so 820 01:00:52,407 --> 01:00:55,744 we could just somehow get that floor frozen. 821 01:01:02,042 --> 01:01:04,044 When it came time to skate on the ice... 822 01:01:05,838 --> 01:01:08,298 ..it really wasn't thick enough to be skated on. 823 01:01:11,093 --> 01:01:14,847 There were patches of sand which were extremely treacherous. 824 01:01:17,683 --> 01:01:21,603 If you hit sand with a blade, then basically you're history. 825 01:01:23,939 --> 01:01:26,108 Everyone knew there was a problem 826 01:01:26,108 --> 01:01:30,529 and so it was as... Difficulties were sort of skated through, 827 01:01:30,529 --> 01:01:32,865 the audience got more involved. 828 01:01:34,366 --> 01:01:36,034 It had part of its own momentum. 829 01:01:42,499 --> 01:01:46,003 The Royal Philharmonic Orchestra has accompanied the skaters 830 01:01:46,003 --> 01:01:48,255 up until now, but this is Burn - 831 01:01:48,255 --> 01:01:52,551 a modern synthesised composition by Jean-Michel Jarre. 832 01:02:12,571 --> 01:02:17,784 One piece that showed John's potential was Burn. 833 01:02:28,253 --> 01:02:29,504 It was extraordinary. 834 01:02:51,526 --> 01:02:56,240 He was like a magnet, he was like the nucleus of this atomic group. 835 01:03:03,121 --> 01:03:06,917 And they keep being drawn into this magnet, and escaping again. 836 01:03:09,461 --> 01:03:11,630 And escaping. 837 01:03:25,477 --> 01:03:28,563 It was really, really demanding. 838 01:03:28,563 --> 01:03:33,318 It involved all of the skaters rotating in both directions 839 01:03:33,318 --> 01:03:34,778 the entire time. 840 01:03:41,868 --> 01:03:43,745 And then there was this one section 841 01:03:43,745 --> 01:03:45,956 where John was kind of weaving through us. 842 01:03:48,542 --> 01:03:51,211 That part terrified him and it terrified us, 843 01:03:51,211 --> 01:03:54,006 because if one of us was too fast or too slow, 844 01:03:54,006 --> 01:03:55,882 it screwed up his timing. 845 01:03:57,592 --> 01:03:59,052 He would slam right into us. 846 01:04:12,941 --> 01:04:14,484 The audience is raptured. 847 01:04:15,485 --> 01:04:16,611 Completely engrossed. 848 01:04:18,989 --> 01:04:23,577 We were looking at each other, sort of saying, "This is our time. 849 01:04:25,203 --> 01:04:26,872 "This is our time." 850 01:04:37,591 --> 01:04:40,552 It justified everything we had gone through. 851 01:04:42,429 --> 01:04:45,640 So there was no reason to be concerned about being in debt. 852 01:04:50,687 --> 01:04:53,523 Because by then, the skaters were looking at the opportunity 853 01:04:53,523 --> 01:04:55,692 of performing in the Metropolitan Opera House. 854 01:05:06,870 --> 01:05:09,456 Joining us this morning to talk about skating on the stage 855 01:05:09,456 --> 01:05:11,249 of the Met, two 1976 Olympic champions - 856 01:05:11,249 --> 01:05:13,460 John Curry and Dorothy Hamill. Good seeing you both, 857 01:05:13,460 --> 01:05:15,128 thanks for being with us. Thank you. 858 01:05:16,338 --> 01:05:18,882 The Met is pretty much everybody's dream, whether you are 859 01:05:18,882 --> 01:05:21,218 an opera singer, or a dancer, it is like, "Oh, my God." 860 01:05:21,218 --> 01:05:25,097 To perform at the Met is the highlight of one's career. 861 01:05:25,097 --> 01:05:29,101 In New York, you cannot have more illustrious exposure than that. 862 01:05:30,644 --> 01:05:33,730 The show went on sale and it sold out immediately. 863 01:05:36,024 --> 01:05:39,152 For the last 72 hours, engineers have been busy laying an ice rink 864 01:05:39,152 --> 01:05:40,904 on the Met's 8,000-square-foot stage. 865 01:05:40,904 --> 01:05:42,739 Straighten out something first of all - 866 01:05:42,739 --> 01:05:44,324 you were supposed to open last night. 867 01:05:44,324 --> 01:05:46,952 Yes. We had a problem with the ice, which has now been solved. 868 01:05:46,952 --> 01:05:48,578 You've been on the ice this morning? 869 01:05:48,578 --> 01:05:50,747 I went this morning. I've skated, it's fine, 870 01:05:50,747 --> 01:05:53,792 we're going to open tonight at eight o'clock. 871 01:05:53,792 --> 01:05:55,919 I didn't sleep the whole night before the opening. 872 01:05:57,045 --> 01:05:58,630 Because this was it, 873 01:05:58,630 --> 01:06:02,050 this was going to make or break John Curry's company and his career 874 01:06:02,050 --> 01:06:04,970 and we all were very aware of that. 875 01:06:07,597 --> 01:06:10,809 Thousands of people in the Opera House were used to operas 876 01:06:10,809 --> 01:06:14,938 and ballets. They weren't quite sure what it was they were going to see. 877 01:06:17,941 --> 01:06:20,902 The company's musical director, Charles Barker, 878 01:06:20,902 --> 01:06:23,447 conducts the overture to Rossini's William Tell. 879 01:06:46,470 --> 01:06:49,890 It was unbelievable. We'd never seen anything like this. 880 01:06:56,813 --> 01:06:58,398 And it was sensational. 881 01:06:59,691 --> 01:07:01,151 The cast were sensational. 882 01:07:06,823 --> 01:07:10,952 I think it was Anna Kisselgoff who wrote, "The Metropolitan Opera House 883 01:07:10,952 --> 01:07:13,497 "nor ice skating will ever be the same again." 884 01:07:13,497 --> 01:07:17,125 That told him he had achieved what he set out to achieve. 885 01:07:49,991 --> 01:07:53,453 They were so awestruck by what they saw. 886 01:07:55,163 --> 01:07:57,499 They stood and cheered for about 20 minutes 887 01:07:57,499 --> 01:07:59,292 at the end of the performance. 888 01:08:09,177 --> 01:08:12,472 And I remember going backstage and John was crying. 889 01:08:14,641 --> 01:08:18,603 He was shaking from head to foot and he said, "We did it." 890 01:08:18,603 --> 01:08:22,732 I said, "Yes, you did," and he said, "Can I stop now? 891 01:08:24,609 --> 01:08:26,820 "Can the company go ahead without me?" 892 01:08:29,114 --> 01:08:30,323 And I said, 893 01:08:30,323 --> 01:08:34,995 "No, you're the star of this company and everyone wants to see you." 894 01:08:34,995 --> 01:08:39,165 He had obviously got it in his head that once he had skated in the Met, 895 01:08:39,165 --> 01:08:40,917 he had done his job. 896 01:08:40,917 --> 01:08:45,171 But, of course, that isn't true, because the company was in debt. 897 01:08:47,173 --> 01:08:51,720 Keeping a group of skaters together for the best part of a year, 898 01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:56,933 we kept a permanent conductor so that the tempo was always perfect. 899 01:08:57,475 --> 01:09:00,729 Everything was very expensive, 900 01:09:00,729 --> 01:09:04,274 so I explained to him that he had to keep doing this 901 01:09:04,274 --> 01:09:08,820 for two or three years, until there were other stars who emerged 902 01:09:08,820 --> 01:09:10,780 and then he could step back. 903 01:09:12,616 --> 01:09:15,285 But the truth was, he didn't want to perform. 904 01:09:16,494 --> 01:09:20,749 He was in pain. His legs were hurting, as many skaters' do. 905 01:09:22,375 --> 01:09:27,255 He wanted the company, but he did not want to be its star performer. 906 01:09:29,215 --> 01:09:31,968 Everything after that was less. 907 01:09:31,968 --> 01:09:35,555 Not because the skaters skated any less wonderfully... 908 01:09:37,265 --> 01:09:39,184 ..but because the spirit had gone. 909 01:09:40,602 --> 01:09:44,022 Because, without John's spirit there, 910 01:09:44,022 --> 01:09:46,107 it wasn't the same. 911 01:09:57,952 --> 01:10:00,330 The Scandinavian tour was...not fun. 912 01:10:02,540 --> 01:10:05,710 We started in Copenhagen and we walked into that arena, 913 01:10:05,710 --> 01:10:07,337 signage all over the arena, 914 01:10:07,337 --> 01:10:09,464 and John just said, "I'm not going to skate." 915 01:10:10,757 --> 01:10:13,510 He came up with a number of different reasons 916 01:10:13,510 --> 01:10:15,053 why he couldn't do it. 917 01:10:15,053 --> 01:10:17,013 But of course all the tickets had been sold. 918 01:10:18,556 --> 01:10:20,892 The next thing we knew was that 919 01:10:20,892 --> 01:10:23,645 he had not warmed up before he performed 920 01:10:23,645 --> 01:10:25,397 and he had injured himself. 921 01:10:27,273 --> 01:10:31,569 I went in the ambulance with him and I said, "So is it bad?" 922 01:10:31,569 --> 01:10:34,155 There was just a look in his face 923 01:10:34,155 --> 01:10:37,617 that made me feel he was taking a dive. 924 01:10:37,617 --> 01:10:40,745 The middle part of the tour had to be cancelled. 925 01:10:40,745 --> 01:10:44,040 This was, financially, a disaster. 926 01:10:45,792 --> 01:10:48,336 He came back to New York for treatment 927 01:10:48,336 --> 01:10:51,589 and then he went to perform at the last engagement 928 01:10:51,589 --> 01:10:54,134 which was at the Bergen Opera House. 929 01:10:59,764 --> 01:11:01,349 Which he did beautifully. 930 01:11:24,706 --> 01:11:27,208 Eliot Feld, when he created Moon Skate, 931 01:11:27,208 --> 01:11:32,046 took John in a direction to have him reflect on the ice 932 01:11:32,046 --> 01:11:34,007 the melancholy that was in him. 933 01:11:41,139 --> 01:11:43,057 It is a very reflective piece. 934 01:11:47,228 --> 01:11:51,691 The movement that's all about regression and progression. 935 01:11:52,859 --> 01:11:54,569 Without any visible effort. 936 01:12:07,624 --> 01:12:09,167 It is almost transcendent. 937 01:12:13,713 --> 01:12:15,882 It was almost like you were a voyeur, 938 01:12:15,882 --> 01:12:19,052 looking in at the stage in a very intimate moment 939 01:12:19,052 --> 01:12:20,887 that he was experiencing. 940 01:12:48,957 --> 01:12:54,212 Every single time he performed it, he cried. 941 01:12:54,546 --> 01:12:58,842 At this particular juncture, his tears would start flowing. 942 01:13:07,475 --> 01:13:10,562 I really, genuinely sensed the journey he had taken 943 01:13:10,562 --> 01:13:14,065 in the dance to that point had led that to happen. 944 01:13:25,285 --> 01:13:27,203 That piece is full of searching. 945 01:13:28,580 --> 01:13:31,249 Searching for something that he doesn't get. 946 01:13:35,545 --> 01:13:40,675 He was always searching for the constancy of love, 947 01:13:40,675 --> 01:13:43,136 for a love that would endure. 948 01:13:54,772 --> 01:13:57,483 It was so moving, so beautiful. 949 01:13:58,818 --> 01:14:01,696 And at the end of the piece, you would see the... 950 01:14:01,696 --> 01:14:04,115 despair, the resignation, 951 01:14:04,115 --> 01:14:07,660 the acceptance of the fact that he can't. 952 01:14:07,660 --> 01:14:09,329 He can't find it. 953 01:14:21,382 --> 01:14:23,843 He is again alone, you know, on the ice, 954 01:14:23,843 --> 01:14:27,013 all the people that he has loved or had relationships with 955 01:14:27,013 --> 01:14:29,349 have fallen by the wayside. One way or another. 956 01:14:33,686 --> 01:14:36,981 You know, maybe it's an acknowledgement of how far he came 957 01:14:36,981 --> 01:14:40,151 and how close he got, and yet, not quite there. 958 01:14:42,946 --> 01:14:44,614 Both in terms of his personal life 959 01:14:44,614 --> 01:14:47,241 and in terms of his professional ambitions. 960 01:14:55,083 --> 01:14:59,253 That was the last time that that company performed. 961 01:15:04,258 --> 01:15:05,969 That was the end. 962 01:15:09,806 --> 01:15:12,350 PROTESTERS CHANT 963 01:15:12,350 --> 01:15:14,352 When it comes to preventing Aids, 964 01:15:14,352 --> 01:15:17,981 don't medicine and morality teach the same message? 965 01:15:19,857 --> 01:15:23,111 CHANTING: Americans are dying! 966 01:15:23,111 --> 01:15:25,738 We want to identify every person who is a carrier. 967 01:15:25,738 --> 01:15:27,657 We want to identify every possible way 968 01:15:27,657 --> 01:15:29,617 to stop them from spreading the disease. 969 01:15:31,202 --> 01:15:34,205 Aids at that time was terrifying. 970 01:15:34,205 --> 01:15:37,417 Since they didn't know what was causing it, 971 01:15:37,417 --> 01:15:40,878 there becomes a fear of contagion. 972 01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:49,971 That sort of fed into this homophobic narrow-mindedness - 973 01:15:49,971 --> 01:15:53,016 "See, we told you it was wrong, now you are being punished." 974 01:15:53,016 --> 01:15:57,353 ..saying that the only good homosexual is a dying homosexual... 975 01:15:57,353 --> 01:16:02,525 In the arts, circles of friends, people you knew 976 01:16:02,525 --> 01:16:07,780 were suddenly ill, and the circles started to get closer and closer. 977 01:16:08,072 --> 01:16:10,825 They were shrinking towards your inner circle. 978 01:16:16,122 --> 01:16:18,624 Now, you were in America for ten years. 979 01:16:18,624 --> 01:16:20,793 You came back in November of last year. 980 01:16:20,793 --> 01:16:22,754 With a pocket full of money? 981 01:16:22,754 --> 01:16:25,339 No, no, with a pocket empty, actually. 982 01:16:25,339 --> 01:16:30,094 Why? What happened? Well, I put a lot of my own money into the shows 983 01:16:30,094 --> 01:16:33,181 and I had some difficulties along the way, 984 01:16:33,181 --> 01:16:35,808 with the people who were producing. 985 01:16:35,808 --> 01:16:38,144 I lost everything I made, actually. 986 01:16:40,646 --> 01:16:43,941 I went to Liverpool, I saw the show. 987 01:16:45,526 --> 01:16:49,489 We walked to the Atlantic Hotel, where I stayed. 988 01:16:50,823 --> 01:16:53,659 And then he told me, "I'm HIV-positive." 989 01:16:55,119 --> 01:16:58,247 I just said, "No, can't be." And then I hugged him. 990 01:16:58,247 --> 01:17:00,792 We went then straight up to my room. 991 01:17:00,792 --> 01:17:03,336 Sometimes I cried, sometimes he cried. 992 01:17:05,755 --> 01:17:08,382 It was just a fact. 993 01:17:08,382 --> 01:17:13,596 You sort of knew that he knows also that it's death fairly soon. 994 01:17:17,934 --> 01:17:22,105 Dear Heinz, it was so nice to see you over the weekend. 995 01:17:22,105 --> 01:17:25,149 When you left on Sunday, I smoked the cigarette you left behind 996 01:17:25,149 --> 01:17:26,692 and felt very tired. 997 01:17:28,194 --> 01:17:30,655 I called Mother on the telephone. 998 01:17:30,655 --> 01:17:34,200 Well, we had the best talk we've ever had. 999 01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:38,496 And I think it will be a great help in the rest of my life, and hers. 1000 01:17:39,956 --> 01:17:42,041 While we spoke, I cried very deeply. 1001 01:17:43,835 --> 01:17:47,630 I told her so many things that had been causing me great distress. 1002 01:17:47,630 --> 01:17:51,425 Mother spoke very calmly and with great compassion. 1003 01:17:51,425 --> 01:17:54,470 I even spoke about my fear of Aids. 1004 01:17:54,470 --> 01:17:58,808 So you can tell it was a much more personal conversation 1005 01:17:58,808 --> 01:18:00,935 than we've ever had before. 1006 01:18:03,896 --> 01:18:06,858 You hung up your skating boots, what, 18 months ago? 1007 01:18:06,858 --> 01:18:10,236 Yes, 18 months, yeah. Never skated since? No. 1008 01:18:10,236 --> 01:18:12,947 And never will? I don't think so, no. 1009 01:18:34,886 --> 01:18:38,973 In 1990, John had stopped choreographing and skating. 1010 01:18:40,975 --> 01:18:44,187 But we had asked if he would be interested 1011 01:18:44,187 --> 01:18:47,523 in doing a dance for The Next Ice Age. 1012 01:18:51,527 --> 01:18:55,740 He came for three weeks, and we rehearsed every morning. 1013 01:18:57,241 --> 01:18:59,619 And he was so different then 1014 01:18:59,619 --> 01:19:03,497 than he was during the stress of when he was running his own company 1015 01:19:03,497 --> 01:19:05,750 and having to deal with the finances 1016 01:19:05,750 --> 01:19:08,419 and just everything that goes with it. 1017 01:19:13,174 --> 01:19:16,844 These are the original costumes that John designed himself. 1018 01:19:16,844 --> 01:19:18,304 They are different colours of 1019 01:19:18,304 --> 01:19:22,266 what I think he must have thought the Danube would be lit by the moon. 1020 01:19:23,768 --> 01:19:27,647 This is the kind of detail that John was designing. 1021 01:19:51,295 --> 01:19:54,465 It was right from the start going to be a quartet, four men. 1022 01:20:02,848 --> 01:20:07,812 I think he was thinking, "What will be my final work?" 1023 01:20:13,526 --> 01:20:18,364 He wanted the dance to be about friendship, that's what he told us. 1024 01:20:19,448 --> 01:20:21,450 A sense of joy, 1025 01:20:21,450 --> 01:20:23,577 and a sense of beauty, 1026 01:20:23,577 --> 01:20:24,954 and happiness. 1027 01:20:37,049 --> 01:20:41,053 He thought, that's what I want people to remember me as. 1028 01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:54,859 And so, here, 30 years later, 1029 01:20:54,859 --> 01:20:57,611 we'll be restaging it with a brand-new cast. 1030 01:21:21,260 --> 01:21:23,846 You know, for me to see 1031 01:21:23,846 --> 01:21:26,640 the three companies that he evolved - 1032 01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:30,728 Ice Theatre of New York, Ice Dance International 1033 01:21:30,728 --> 01:21:34,815 and then The Next Ice Age, is so powerful 1034 01:21:34,815 --> 01:21:39,695 because these skaters are practising and performing 1035 01:21:39,695 --> 01:21:41,197 his legacy. 1036 01:21:57,463 --> 01:21:58,798 The legacy is there. 1037 01:22:02,051 --> 01:22:05,429 But whether there will ever be another company 1038 01:22:05,429 --> 01:22:08,557 of the sort that John had... probably not. 1039 01:22:12,395 --> 01:22:15,064 Most of the people that were in theatre skating 1040 01:22:15,064 --> 01:22:18,692 and in fact most of the company members throughout John's company, 1041 01:22:18,692 --> 01:22:21,195 almost all of the men are dead. 1042 01:22:21,195 --> 01:22:22,738 From Aids. 1043 01:22:32,748 --> 01:22:35,209 Even now in sports, we have a lot of homophobia, 1044 01:22:35,209 --> 01:22:37,545 whether it is figure skating or football. 1045 01:22:40,089 --> 01:22:43,717 At that time in the late '70s, it was a completely different world. 1046 01:22:46,011 --> 01:22:50,099 Look at him as an artist, and somebody who broke boundaries. 1047 01:22:50,099 --> 01:22:53,769 He had the guts to be his true self on the ice. 1048 01:22:55,771 --> 01:22:58,107 And I think that's the greatest achievement 1049 01:22:58,107 --> 01:23:01,193 that he was able to leave in this world 1050 01:23:01,193 --> 01:23:04,613 was that he made this, who only started skating 20 years later, 1051 01:23:04,613 --> 01:23:07,283 be comfortable to really be themself on the ice. 1052 01:23:16,041 --> 01:23:20,379 We met him at Coventry railway station, I think, 1053 01:23:20,379 --> 01:23:23,716 Andrew and I. And he came home and he said he was ill. 1054 01:23:25,634 --> 01:23:27,052 And that was it. 1055 01:23:34,727 --> 01:23:38,063 A lot of the time, he was quite well. 1056 01:23:42,109 --> 01:23:45,029 But most of the time, when he could, he was in the garden. 1057 01:23:46,655 --> 01:23:49,158 Either gardening or needle-working. 1058 01:23:49,158 --> 01:23:50,993 SHE LAUGHS 1059 01:24:01,253 --> 01:24:05,382 Dear Cathy. How lovely to hear from you. 1060 01:24:05,382 --> 01:24:08,886 I've not been to Prague for, what, 20 years? 1061 01:24:08,886 --> 01:24:11,305 It looked as if a strong wind would demolish it then, 1062 01:24:11,305 --> 01:24:13,265 so whatever must it look like now? 1063 01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:18,354 Well, I have something to tell you 1064 01:24:18,354 --> 01:24:20,814 which you've probably heard already. 1065 01:24:20,814 --> 01:24:22,149 I have Aids. 1066 01:24:34,870 --> 01:24:37,706 I'm not traumatised...I think. 1067 01:24:37,706 --> 01:24:40,209 And inside, I am peaceful. 1068 01:24:43,379 --> 01:24:45,256 I love being at home again, 1069 01:24:45,256 --> 01:24:48,884 and not having to teach and skate is a welcome relief for this old body. 1070 01:24:52,513 --> 01:24:57,560 This is not a very uplifting letter, but dear Cathy, 1071 01:24:57,560 --> 01:24:59,687 do not worry or be sad. 1072 01:24:59,687 --> 01:25:02,439 I've had an extraordinary life, by any standards. 1073 01:25:04,358 --> 01:25:06,944 I've met with great success and happiness, 1074 01:25:06,944 --> 01:25:09,613 and at times, the reverse. 1075 01:25:11,991 --> 01:25:14,910 So keep your pecker up. 1076 01:25:16,161 --> 01:25:17,788 Lots of love, 1077 01:25:17,788 --> 01:25:19,456 John. 1078 01:25:30,593 --> 01:25:32,469 In a way, what have you done? 1079 01:25:32,469 --> 01:25:35,639 You haven't invented penicillin, you haven't cured cancer, 1080 01:25:35,639 --> 01:25:38,142 you haven't built an old people's home. 1081 01:25:38,142 --> 01:25:39,893 You've zoomed around the ice. 1082 01:25:39,893 --> 01:25:42,271 Is what you do really of any importance at all? 1083 01:25:44,148 --> 01:25:47,318 Is it important? It's only important 1084 01:25:47,318 --> 01:25:51,655 because things like skating or... 1085 01:25:51,655 --> 01:25:54,450 or any kind of performance that brings people pleasure, 1086 01:25:54,450 --> 01:25:58,120 really some of the things that, if you like, make life worth living. 1087 01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:01,081 I know that sounds terribly corny, but it does. 1088 01:26:03,334 --> 01:26:05,836 If everything in life was entirely practical, 1089 01:26:05,836 --> 01:26:09,965 we would all have our amount of bread and water and so on, 1090 01:26:09,965 --> 01:26:13,594 but some things have to move you or make you feel very happy 1091 01:26:13,594 --> 01:26:15,721 or even very sad or something. 1092 01:26:15,721 --> 01:26:17,890 They have to make you feel something. 1093 01:26:17,890 --> 01:26:20,142 And I'm very glad that I've been able to 1094 01:26:20,142 --> 01:26:23,395 make some people feel something with my skating. 1095 01:26:23,395 --> 01:26:24,980 I think that's great. 1096 01:26:24,980 --> 01:26:27,191 And I think that's important. 91678

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