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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,458 --> 00:00:02,877 [Instrumental music] 2 00:00:07,799 --> 00:00:10,260 ♪ Rock of ages ♪ 3 00:00:10,301 --> 00:00:12,637 ♪ cleft for me ♪ 4 00:00:12,679 --> 00:00:17,767 ♪ let me hide myself in thee ♪ 5 00:00:17,809 --> 00:00:22,814 ♪ let the water and the blood ♪ 6 00:00:22,856 --> 00:00:28,236 ♪ from thy wounded side which flowed ♪ 7 00:00:28,278 --> 00:00:32,866 ♪ be of sin the double cure ♪ 8 00:00:32,907 --> 00:00:38,621 ♪ save from wrath and make me pure ♪ 9 00:00:38,663 --> 00:00:43,710 ♪ while I draw this final breath ♪ 10 00:00:43,752 --> 00:00:48,715 ♪ when mine eyes shall close in death ♪ 11 00:00:48,757 --> 00:00:54,012 ♪ when I rise to worlds unknown ♪ 12 00:00:54,054 --> 00:00:59,642 ♪ and behold thee on thy throne ♪ 13 00:00:59,684 --> 00:01:05,023 ♪ rock of ages cleft for me ♪ 14 00:01:05,065 --> 00:01:09,569 ♪ let me hide myself in thee ♪♪ 15 00:01:09,611 --> 00:01:11,821 [Indistinct chatter on radio] 16 00:01:14,199 --> 00:01:16,076 [Indistinct chatter] 17 00:01:18,661 --> 00:01:21,039 (Female #1) He who dwells in the shelter of the most high 18 00:01:21,081 --> 00:01:22,832 will abide in the shadow of the almighty. 19 00:01:22,874 --> 00:01:24,793 The lord is my shelter and my fortress 20 00:01:24,834 --> 00:01:26,336 and my god in whom I trust. 21 00:01:26,377 --> 00:01:28,671 Surely he will save you from the Fowler's snare 22 00:01:28,713 --> 00:01:31,049 from the deadly pestilence.. 23 00:01:35,595 --> 00:01:36,930 Detective pitts. 24 00:01:36,971 --> 00:01:39,307 Most high will abide in the shadow of the almighty. 25 00:01:39,349 --> 00:01:41,142 The lord is my shelter and my fortress 26 00:01:41,184 --> 00:01:42,286 and my god, in whom I trust. 27 00:01:42,310 --> 00:01:43,728 Surely, he will save you 28 00:01:43,770 --> 00:01:46,064 from the Fowler's snare, from the deadly pestilence. 29 00:01:46,106 --> 00:01:47,816 'He shall cover you with his feathers' 30 00:01:47,857 --> 00:01:49,484 and under his wings you shall shelter. 31 00:01:49,526 --> 00:01:51,820 His truth shall be your shield and your buckler. 32 00:01:51,861 --> 00:01:53,947 He who dwells in the shelter of the most high 33 00:01:53,988 --> 00:01:56,074 will abide in the shadow of the almighty. 34 00:01:56,116 --> 00:01:58,409 The lord is my shelter.. 35 00:02:03,373 --> 00:02:04,666 Why are you doing those by hand? 36 00:02:04,707 --> 00:02:07,669 I was just asking myself that. 37 00:02:07,710 --> 00:02:08,795 Is that normal? 38 00:02:08,837 --> 00:02:11,339 Sending out invitations to a baby's baptism? 39 00:02:11,381 --> 00:02:12,799 Is that what presbyterians do? 40 00:02:12,841 --> 00:02:15,009 Well, I want close friends and family there. 41 00:02:15,051 --> 00:02:16,529 How will they know, if we don't tell them? 42 00:02:16,553 --> 00:02:17,887 I'm saying we don't want this 43 00:02:17,929 --> 00:02:19,806 turning into another wedding. 44 00:02:19,848 --> 00:02:21,099 Our wedding was perfect. 45 00:02:21,141 --> 00:02:23,143 Yeah, 30 of our closest friends. 46 00:02:23,184 --> 00:02:24,853 Simple backyard ceremony. 47 00:02:24,894 --> 00:02:28,982 Turned into 150 of your mom's closest friends at the church. 48 00:02:29,023 --> 00:02:29,941 Oh, that. 49 00:02:29,983 --> 00:02:31,484 [Cell phone ringing] 50 00:02:33,278 --> 00:02:35,196 If that's work.. 51 00:02:36,906 --> 00:02:39,325 Tell them it's your day of rest. 52 00:02:39,367 --> 00:02:41,452 [Chuckles] 53 00:02:41,494 --> 00:02:43,496 This is annabeth. 54 00:02:43,538 --> 00:02:45,665 [Intense music] 55 00:02:47,876 --> 00:02:50,712 Blessed are you when men shall revile you and persecute you 56 00:02:50,753 --> 00:02:54,716 and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely. 57 00:02:56,050 --> 00:02:57,677 - Hey. - What's up? 58 00:02:57,719 --> 00:02:59,179 Sorry to drag you out on a Sunday. 59 00:02:59,220 --> 00:03:00,263 That's okay, detective. 60 00:03:00,305 --> 00:03:01,973 Double time on weekends makes up 61 00:03:02,015 --> 00:03:03,850 for a multitude of sins. 62 00:03:03,892 --> 00:03:04,893 What do you got? 63 00:03:04,934 --> 00:03:07,145 Cindy delacroix, married no children. 64 00:03:07,187 --> 00:03:09,814 She's under arrest for killing her husband. 65 00:03:09,856 --> 00:03:13,568 He was regional manager of the croft Miller's grocery chain. 66 00:03:13,610 --> 00:03:14,527 How'd he die? 67 00:03:14,569 --> 00:03:17,363 Well, Mr. Delacroix was stabbed 68 00:03:17,405 --> 00:03:20,950 three times in the back with a butcher knife. 69 00:03:20,992 --> 00:03:24,329 Cindy's bloody palm print is on the kitchen counter. 70 00:03:24,370 --> 00:03:27,290 'Her fingerprints are on the weapon.' 71 00:03:28,374 --> 00:03:29,500 has she confessed? 72 00:03:29,542 --> 00:03:30,835 I believe she's about to. 73 00:03:30,877 --> 00:03:32,378 She waived her right to an attorney. 74 00:03:32,420 --> 00:03:34,756 Not much she can say to get out of this one. 75 00:03:34,797 --> 00:03:36,966 Let's see. 76 00:03:37,008 --> 00:03:38,635 We're ready. 77 00:03:38,676 --> 00:03:40,470 Mrs. Delacroix? 78 00:03:40,511 --> 00:03:42,156 The deputy prosecuting attorney is here now. 79 00:03:42,180 --> 00:03:44,265 You ready to make your statement? 80 00:03:44,307 --> 00:03:45,683 Yes. 81 00:03:45,725 --> 00:03:47,894 Did you stab your husband? 82 00:03:47,936 --> 00:03:48,978 Yes. 83 00:03:49,020 --> 00:03:51,064 Did you intend to kill him? 84 00:03:51,105 --> 00:03:52,732 Yes. 85 00:03:52,774 --> 00:03:54,442 'Why'd you do it?' 86 00:03:55,193 --> 00:03:57,362 god told me to. 87 00:04:01,824 --> 00:04:03,910 Blessed are ye when men shall revile you 88 00:04:03,952 --> 00:04:06,079 'and persecute you and shall say all manner..' 89 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,123 I think she just found something to say. 90 00:04:18,299 --> 00:04:20,593 I've had dozens of clients who wanted to plead insane 91 00:04:20,635 --> 00:04:22,363 but I don't think I've ever actually had anybody 92 00:04:22,387 --> 00:04:23,805 who is insane plead insane. 93 00:04:23,846 --> 00:04:25,682 I'm telling you, this lady is so crazy 94 00:04:25,723 --> 00:04:27,100 she doesn't want to plead crazy. 95 00:04:27,141 --> 00:04:29,477 Then how can you file a competency motion? 96 00:04:29,519 --> 00:04:31,729 Because she doesn't know about it. 97 00:04:33,439 --> 00:04:38,444 (Male #1) 'Case number 75cr-30756.' 98 00:04:38,486 --> 00:04:40,405 people vs Cindy delacroix. 99 00:04:40,446 --> 00:04:42,657 First degree murder. Your honor. 100 00:04:42,699 --> 00:04:44,742 (Male #2) 'I've read the public defender's motion' 101 00:04:44,784 --> 00:04:46,661 for a pretrial competency exam. 102 00:04:46,703 --> 00:04:48,413 Unless the people have any objection 103 00:04:48,454 --> 00:04:51,624 to a psychiatric evaluation, I will so order. 104 00:04:51,666 --> 00:04:54,419 Requesting a sidebar, your honor. 105 00:04:57,338 --> 00:04:58,965 (Judge p. Teague) 'Yes, counselor?' 106 00:04:59,007 --> 00:05:00,901 your honor, this motion was filed confidentially. 107 00:05:00,925 --> 00:05:02,845 Mrs. Delacroix believes psychiatry to be the work 108 00:05:02,885 --> 00:05:04,571 of the devil and objects to even the slightest 109 00:05:04,595 --> 00:05:06,389 insinuation she might have mental problems. 110 00:05:06,431 --> 00:05:08,308 Then why is he pursuing the competency hearing? 111 00:05:08,349 --> 00:05:09,934 Your honor, this is not a ploy. 112 00:05:09,976 --> 00:05:11,870 'Cindy delacroix believes she was divinely directed' 113 00:05:11,894 --> 00:05:14,272 to commit the acts she's accused of, and she's not kidding. 114 00:05:14,314 --> 00:05:16,458 Well, the state believes she picked that butcher knife up 115 00:05:16,482 --> 00:05:17,876 all by herself and stabbed her husband 116 00:05:17,900 --> 00:05:19,169 in the back with it three times. 117 00:05:19,193 --> 00:05:20,504 Your honor, if I'm gonna continue to be able 118 00:05:20,528 --> 00:05:22,488 to represent my client, I respectfully request 119 00:05:22,530 --> 00:05:24,532 the court to insist on a competency exam 120 00:05:24,574 --> 00:05:25,992 over my strenuous objections. 121 00:05:26,034 --> 00:05:28,053 As long as we don't establish the precedent that being 122 00:05:28,077 --> 00:05:31,289 deeply religious makes you mentally incompetent, fine. 123 00:05:31,331 --> 00:05:33,207 Okay. I get it. Step back. 124 00:05:34,042 --> 00:05:36,586 The court hereby orders the defendant to submit 125 00:05:36,627 --> 00:05:38,087 'to a psychiatric examination' 126 00:05:38,129 --> 00:05:40,381 to determine her fitness to stand trial. 127 00:05:40,423 --> 00:05:41,382 Objection, your honor! 128 00:05:41,424 --> 00:05:42,508 There's nothing to warrant 129 00:05:42,550 --> 00:05:43,926 such an examination. 130 00:05:43,968 --> 00:05:45,362 My client considers this examination 131 00:05:45,386 --> 00:05:48,097 to be an invasion of her privacy and a direct attempt 132 00:05:48,139 --> 00:05:50,350 to circumvent her communication with god. 133 00:05:50,391 --> 00:05:52,036 (P. Teague) 'Competency hearing so ordered.' 134 00:05:52,060 --> 00:05:55,313 this is wrong. This is wrong. 135 00:05:55,355 --> 00:05:57,982 (Maureen) Officer macklin, what's going on? 136 00:05:58,024 --> 00:05:59,442 How are you holding up? 137 00:05:59,484 --> 00:06:01,164 I know there was a lot of fallout after you 138 00:06:01,194 --> 00:06:02,570 testified against margate. 139 00:06:02,612 --> 00:06:03,780 I'm okay. 140 00:06:03,821 --> 00:06:07,075 I just want you to know that not every cop hates you, Maureen. 141 00:06:07,116 --> 00:06:08,785 You came down here just to tell me that? 142 00:06:08,826 --> 00:06:10,054 That and I was hoping that you could 143 00:06:10,078 --> 00:06:12,413 put this paperwork on the fast track for me. 144 00:06:12,455 --> 00:06:13,831 It's a justifiable homicide. 145 00:06:13,873 --> 00:06:15,375 Homeowner takes a gun away from a guy 146 00:06:15,416 --> 00:06:17,877 breaking into his house and shoots him. Kills him. 147 00:06:17,919 --> 00:06:19,480 Burglar had a record for previous b and es. 148 00:06:19,504 --> 00:06:22,924 Hmm, and officer Keith macklin has a promotion coming up 149 00:06:22,965 --> 00:06:26,177 and would like another solved case on his record, hmm? 150 00:06:26,219 --> 00:06:28,513 You know, I called you some time ago. 151 00:06:28,554 --> 00:06:30,264 I didn't return the message. Sorry. 152 00:06:30,306 --> 00:06:32,725 That's okay. You were probably busy. 153 00:06:34,185 --> 00:06:36,938 - I was wondering if... - I don't date cops. 154 00:06:36,979 --> 00:06:42,276 Oh, so it's, it's the clothes and not the man? 155 00:06:42,318 --> 00:06:44,362 Basically. 156 00:06:44,404 --> 00:06:46,114 Listen, I will do this. 157 00:06:46,155 --> 00:06:47,883 Anything to save the people's time and money. 158 00:06:47,907 --> 00:06:50,993 But you need to send, uh, Dave Simon 159 00:06:51,035 --> 00:06:53,162 up here to talk to me. 160 00:06:54,747 --> 00:06:56,624 I'll bring him myself. 161 00:06:59,752 --> 00:07:03,089 (Male #2) 'So tell me, who is the commander in chief?' 162 00:07:03,131 --> 00:07:05,258 George w. Bush. 163 00:07:05,299 --> 00:07:07,510 And your parents' names? 164 00:07:07,552 --> 00:07:10,972 - Gabe and Nora Templeton. - How's the baby? 165 00:07:11,013 --> 00:07:13,182 Oh, she's so cute, it's ridiculous. 166 00:07:13,224 --> 00:07:15,184 She's getting baptized next week. 167 00:07:15,226 --> 00:07:19,480 Can you tell me why god told you to kill your husband? 168 00:07:19,522 --> 00:07:21,149 I don't trust you. 169 00:07:21,190 --> 00:07:22,692 I don't appreciate your tone. 170 00:07:22,733 --> 00:07:24,819 And I'm not going to answer that question. 171 00:07:24,861 --> 00:07:26,571 Mrs. Delacroix, I simply asked 172 00:07:26,612 --> 00:07:29,657 why god told you to kill your husband. 173 00:07:29,699 --> 00:07:32,452 That's between god and me. 174 00:07:32,493 --> 00:07:34,078 I spoke to the lord. 175 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,831 'I sought his guidance.' 176 00:07:36,873 --> 00:07:38,416 it was his hand 177 00:07:38,458 --> 00:07:41,169 that took Barry's life, not mine. 178 00:07:41,210 --> 00:07:42,670 And I am at peace with that. 179 00:07:42,712 --> 00:07:46,215 So, if god told you right now to reach across this table 180 00:07:46,257 --> 00:07:49,510 put your hands around my neck and strangle me to death 181 00:07:49,552 --> 00:07:50,511 you'd do it? 182 00:07:50,553 --> 00:07:52,180 I know what the lord guided me to do 183 00:07:52,221 --> 00:07:55,933 is against the laws of man, but I answer to a higher law. 184 00:07:55,975 --> 00:07:57,852 Okay, she not only knows right from wrong 185 00:07:57,894 --> 00:08:00,813 she just confessed on the record again. She's competent. 186 00:08:00,855 --> 00:08:03,191 And she also just told her shrink she hears voices 187 00:08:03,232 --> 00:08:04,942 and believes her actions are compelled 188 00:08:04,984 --> 00:08:07,361 by an overwhelming undeniable force. 189 00:08:07,403 --> 00:08:10,448 In Indiana vs kennesaw, the court called that crazy. 190 00:08:10,490 --> 00:08:12,283 (Cindy) 'You're not listening to me.' 191 00:08:12,325 --> 00:08:14,744 you think that everything can be solved 192 00:08:14,785 --> 00:08:17,038 through doctors and therapy. 193 00:08:17,079 --> 00:08:18,247 Well, there's no question 194 00:08:18,289 --> 00:08:21,709 therapy would be a tremendous benefit. 195 00:08:21,751 --> 00:08:24,045 But there is no doubt whatsoever 196 00:08:24,086 --> 00:08:28,174 the defendant is mentally competent, aware of her actions 197 00:08:28,216 --> 00:08:31,385 and legally fit to stand trial. 198 00:08:31,427 --> 00:08:33,012 So ordered. 199 00:08:33,054 --> 00:08:34,865 Your honor, even though my client is deemed competent 200 00:08:34,889 --> 00:08:37,767 to face trial, we reserve the right to plead insanity 201 00:08:37,808 --> 00:08:39,310 and/or temporary insanity. 202 00:08:39,352 --> 00:08:40,520 I told you I'm not insane. 203 00:08:40,561 --> 00:08:42,730 This competency finding by no means 204 00:08:42,772 --> 00:08:46,234 prevents you from mounting any defense you choose. 205 00:08:46,275 --> 00:08:48,402 'If you think you can prove your client' 206 00:08:48,444 --> 00:08:51,030 was legally insane at the time of the crime... 207 00:08:51,072 --> 00:08:53,574 My sister is not insane! Her husband was insane! 208 00:08:53,616 --> 00:08:55,618 Please refrain from talking in the gallery. 209 00:08:55,660 --> 00:09:00,081 If I am insane, then Abraham is insane. 210 00:09:00,122 --> 00:09:02,625 God told him to kill his beloved son. 211 00:09:02,667 --> 00:09:04,919 You promised me you wouldn't say I was insane. 212 00:09:04,961 --> 00:09:07,171 Mrs. Delacroix, I won't warn you again! 213 00:09:07,213 --> 00:09:11,050 God tested Abraham, god tested Jonah 214 00:09:11,092 --> 00:09:14,095 god tested Sarah, god tested Mary 215 00:09:14,136 --> 00:09:16,556 and god tested me. 216 00:09:16,597 --> 00:09:19,308 [Gavel bangs] 'Next case.' 217 00:09:19,350 --> 00:09:21,686 (Maureen) So tell me about the break-in. 218 00:09:21,727 --> 00:09:24,230 The worst part was this was my weekend 219 00:09:24,272 --> 00:09:27,567 with Laurie, my little girl. 220 00:09:27,608 --> 00:09:30,861 Her mother and me split up last year. 221 00:09:30,903 --> 00:09:32,238 Since the break-in 222 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,782 she won't let Laurie stay with me anymore. 223 00:09:34,824 --> 00:09:36,784 Did Laurie see anything? 224 00:09:36,826 --> 00:09:39,620 No. Thank god. 225 00:09:39,662 --> 00:09:40,830 She didn't wake up. 226 00:09:40,871 --> 00:09:44,709 Like I said, I woke with a glass breaking sound 227 00:09:44,750 --> 00:09:46,711 like a window being punched out. 228 00:09:46,752 --> 00:09:49,839 So I got up and I went downstairs. 229 00:09:50,715 --> 00:09:54,260 And I see this guy rifling through my things. 230 00:09:54,302 --> 00:09:58,389 First, I froze, but then he spun around. 231 00:09:58,431 --> 00:10:01,601 And I saw the gun and just, you know 232 00:10:01,642 --> 00:10:04,353 instinctively grabbed it. 233 00:10:04,395 --> 00:10:06,105 And? 234 00:10:06,147 --> 00:10:09,191 Big struggle. He-he wasn't letting go of that gun. 235 00:10:09,233 --> 00:10:12,945 And it just... Kind of went off. 236 00:10:12,987 --> 00:10:15,364 And he was dead. 237 00:10:16,949 --> 00:10:22,121 Well, this is all very consistent with your statement. 238 00:10:23,331 --> 00:10:25,207 You're a very lucky man, Mr. Simon. 239 00:10:25,249 --> 00:10:29,086 Well, I'm lucky everybody's been so helpful and great. 240 00:10:29,128 --> 00:10:31,631 This has been a horrible few days. 241 00:10:31,672 --> 00:10:32,882 But seriously, I-I appreciate 242 00:10:32,923 --> 00:10:36,427 everyone not making any, making it it any worse. 243 00:10:36,469 --> 00:10:38,095 Thank you both. 244 00:10:38,137 --> 00:10:41,057 Thank you. Thank you for coming in. 245 00:10:41,098 --> 00:10:42,642 Okay. 246 00:10:48,522 --> 00:10:51,317 - So, you good on this? - Close. 247 00:10:51,359 --> 00:10:53,486 No one gets a pass until I see the ballistics 248 00:10:53,527 --> 00:10:55,696 and fingerprint reports. 249 00:11:01,869 --> 00:11:06,749 [Chuckles] I guess I.. Guess I'll let you get back to work. 250 00:11:14,423 --> 00:11:16,342 Ms. Delacroix, you are claiming 251 00:11:16,384 --> 00:11:18,844 that god ordered you to kill your husband 252 00:11:18,886 --> 00:11:20,554 is that correct? 253 00:11:20,596 --> 00:11:21,764 God is my Shepherd. 254 00:11:21,806 --> 00:11:24,058 He guides my heart and my hand. 255 00:11:24,100 --> 00:11:27,228 And last Sunday, god put a knife in that hand 256 00:11:27,269 --> 00:11:29,689 'and told you to stab your husband?' 257 00:11:29,730 --> 00:11:30,773 yes. 258 00:11:30,815 --> 00:11:33,067 I can't believe her lawyer let her do this interview. 259 00:11:33,109 --> 00:11:34,694 She fired her lawyer. 260 00:11:34,735 --> 00:11:36,904 You're kidding. She 86'd Jeffrey? 261 00:11:36,946 --> 00:11:39,824 She refused any further psych exams and she fired him. 262 00:11:39,865 --> 00:11:43,035 Her sister and her church are handling things for now. 263 00:11:43,077 --> 00:11:45,162 And her church thinks a confession 264 00:11:45,204 --> 00:11:46,831 'on the local news is a good plan?' 265 00:11:46,872 --> 00:11:49,166 they're trying to sway public sentiment. 266 00:11:49,208 --> 00:11:50,793 Taint the jury pool. 267 00:11:50,835 --> 00:11:53,379 Believe me, I almost wish they would've found her incompetent. 268 00:11:53,421 --> 00:11:56,132 I gotta tell you, boss, having to go after this woman's 269 00:11:56,173 --> 00:11:59,051 twisted idea of god, that's not a good day in court. 270 00:11:59,093 --> 00:12:02,179 (Female reporter) 'Why do you think god wanted your husband dead?' 271 00:12:02,221 --> 00:12:04,181 the devil had taken his soul. 272 00:12:04,223 --> 00:12:05,516 'So you killed him?' 273 00:12:05,558 --> 00:12:08,561 I cut out his sin. I did as god commanded. 274 00:12:08,602 --> 00:12:10,813 You think a jury's going to go for this? 275 00:12:10,855 --> 00:12:12,189 Maybe. 276 00:12:12,231 --> 00:12:13,542 With some people, all you need to do 277 00:12:13,566 --> 00:12:15,776 is invoke god and they fall in line. 278 00:12:15,818 --> 00:12:18,237 It only takes one person to deadlock a jury. 279 00:12:18,279 --> 00:12:19,572 No, well, I don't buy it. 280 00:12:19,613 --> 00:12:21,741 God doesn't tell people to kill. 281 00:12:21,782 --> 00:12:23,367 Danny, do me a favor 282 00:12:23,409 --> 00:12:26,537 and work up a brief on religious based offenses. 283 00:12:26,579 --> 00:12:27,538 Okay. 284 00:12:27,580 --> 00:12:29,373 Don't let the whole "god told me to do it" 285 00:12:29,415 --> 00:12:31,250 spin throw you off your game. 286 00:12:31,292 --> 00:12:32,501 Steve, don't worry. 287 00:12:32,543 --> 00:12:34,312 I'm going to handle this just like every other 288 00:12:34,336 --> 00:12:36,297 murder case I've tried. 289 00:12:37,715 --> 00:12:39,967 She's only tried two murder cases. 290 00:12:40,009 --> 00:12:42,052 Yeah, but she won 'em both. 291 00:12:50,519 --> 00:12:54,023 So she came up from behind and stabbed him. 292 00:12:54,064 --> 00:12:55,941 Victim fell forward onto this chair 293 00:12:55,983 --> 00:12:57,067 knocking it on its side. 294 00:12:57,109 --> 00:12:58,819 She stabbed him two more times 295 00:12:58,861 --> 00:13:01,822 leaving the knife buried to its hilt. 296 00:13:01,864 --> 00:13:04,116 This was not a happy housewife. 297 00:13:04,158 --> 00:13:06,368 Anywho... the blood trail 298 00:13:06,410 --> 00:13:09,038 goes back into the kitchen where he grabs his keys. 299 00:13:09,079 --> 00:13:10,122 His car keys? 300 00:13:10,164 --> 00:13:11,707 Maybe he thought he could drive himself 301 00:13:11,749 --> 00:13:12,666 to the hospital. 302 00:13:12,708 --> 00:13:15,336 Staggers outside, face-plants in the yard. 303 00:13:15,377 --> 00:13:17,797 'Not many signs of chaos and discord in the house.' 304 00:13:17,838 --> 00:13:19,799 'she said that he was demon-possessed.' 305 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:21,258 but there are no signs of drugs 306 00:13:21,300 --> 00:13:23,093 alcohol or porno magazines. 307 00:13:23,135 --> 00:13:24,512 There's still the computer. 308 00:13:24,553 --> 00:13:26,180 We'll get to that this afternoon. 309 00:13:26,222 --> 00:13:28,974 Let's hope there's a big fat Internet history file. 310 00:13:29,016 --> 00:13:30,559 Hey, what about their financials? 311 00:13:30,601 --> 00:13:32,937 Big box of receipts. They did keep track of their money. 312 00:13:32,978 --> 00:13:36,398 Good. We need a clear motive based on their life together. 313 00:13:37,775 --> 00:13:40,402 They say women kill men for three reasons. 314 00:13:40,444 --> 00:13:42,196 Infidelity, abuse 315 00:13:42,238 --> 00:13:43,673 and every once in a while, for money. 316 00:13:43,697 --> 00:13:45,199 Given that she stabbed him three times 317 00:13:45,241 --> 00:13:47,076 let's focus on the cheating and the beating. 318 00:13:47,117 --> 00:13:48,410 'Done.' 319 00:13:49,703 --> 00:13:53,165 Barry and Cindy were the first couple that I married here 320 00:13:53,207 --> 00:13:55,960 back when this church met in a storefront. 321 00:13:56,001 --> 00:13:57,378 They were high school sweethearts. 322 00:13:57,419 --> 00:13:59,713 They had their whole lives in front of them. 323 00:13:59,755 --> 00:14:01,340 So you knew them well. 324 00:14:01,382 --> 00:14:02,675 Yeah. 325 00:14:02,716 --> 00:14:04,677 This is a shock for all of us. 326 00:14:04,718 --> 00:14:07,888 Cindy's one of the most active members of our congregation. 327 00:14:07,930 --> 00:14:09,974 What about Barry? 328 00:14:10,015 --> 00:14:13,060 Unfortunately, he had stopped attending. 329 00:14:13,102 --> 00:14:15,729 He was going through some difficult times 330 00:14:15,771 --> 00:14:17,606 personally, and.. 331 00:14:18,899 --> 00:14:20,359 He couldn't reconcile his feelings 332 00:14:20,401 --> 00:14:21,986 with the tenets of our religion. 333 00:14:22,027 --> 00:14:24,071 Were they having marital problems? 334 00:14:25,155 --> 00:14:27,950 They came to me for counseling about a year ago. 335 00:14:27,992 --> 00:14:29,368 They were at a crossroads. 336 00:14:29,410 --> 00:14:31,495 Barry wanted to go one way 337 00:14:31,537 --> 00:14:33,747 and Cindy wanted to go another. 338 00:14:33,789 --> 00:14:35,374 It came to a point in therapy 339 00:14:35,416 --> 00:14:38,586 where I think Barry wanted me to counsel them to divorce. 340 00:14:38,627 --> 00:14:41,839 He brought it up several times, but Cindy was adamantly opposed. 341 00:14:41,881 --> 00:14:43,924 She did not believe in divorce. 342 00:14:43,966 --> 00:14:46,635 Was Barry unfaithful to her? 343 00:14:47,386 --> 00:14:49,096 Okay, this is.. 344 00:14:50,848 --> 00:14:52,808 I'm still Cindy's active pastor 345 00:14:52,850 --> 00:14:54,268 and the leader of this congregation. 346 00:14:54,310 --> 00:14:55,978 I feel like I've said too much already. 347 00:14:56,020 --> 00:14:59,106 I just need to understand why this happened. 348 00:15:01,150 --> 00:15:03,235 Was Barry gay? 349 00:15:03,277 --> 00:15:05,696 Again, I don't.. I'm not comfortable. 350 00:15:05,738 --> 00:15:07,573 You understand that the clerical privileges 351 00:15:07,615 --> 00:15:10,576 only apply to catholic priests in the confessional. 352 00:15:10,618 --> 00:15:12,411 I can subpoena your testimony. 353 00:15:12,453 --> 00:15:15,664 You have your responsibilities and I have mine. 354 00:15:16,916 --> 00:15:17,958 [Sighs] 355 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,044 [Instrumental music] 356 00:15:27,718 --> 00:15:30,971 (Annabeth) Well, they found a dress in Barry delacroix's closet. 357 00:15:31,013 --> 00:15:32,157 The dress had a name tag on it. 358 00:15:32,181 --> 00:15:33,766 "Hi, my name's Marie." 359 00:15:33,807 --> 00:15:35,809 - So who's Marie? - Exactly. 360 00:15:35,851 --> 00:15:38,854 Was he having an affair with Marie, or was he Marie? 361 00:15:38,896 --> 00:15:40,814 Well, either way, you got your motive. 362 00:15:40,856 --> 00:15:42,608 It's promising. How's it going in here? 363 00:15:42,650 --> 00:15:45,361 Cindy's comparing her acts to acts committed in the Bible. 364 00:15:45,402 --> 00:15:47,363 But in the Bible, if god wants somebody dead 365 00:15:47,404 --> 00:15:48,948 he takes care of it himself. 366 00:15:48,989 --> 00:15:50,282 Lot's wife, sodom and gomorrah.. 367 00:15:50,324 --> 00:15:53,285 Okay, so god never tells anyone to kill. 368 00:15:53,327 --> 00:15:55,245 If he does, it's just a test. 369 00:15:55,287 --> 00:15:57,414 And then he stops the guy from doing it. 370 00:15:57,456 --> 00:16:00,042 I have a feeling this act has a lot less to do with god 371 00:16:00,084 --> 00:16:01,794 and a lot more to do with Marie. 372 00:16:01,835 --> 00:16:04,380 Alright, I'm on my way to talk to the victim's brother. 373 00:16:04,421 --> 00:16:05,923 Keep it up. 374 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,468 I'm so sorry for your loss, but I have to ask.. 375 00:16:09,510 --> 00:16:13,806 Did your brother ever talked to you about someone named Marie? 376 00:16:13,847 --> 00:16:15,516 Marie? No. 377 00:16:15,557 --> 00:16:17,810 Do you know if he was having an affair? 378 00:16:17,851 --> 00:16:20,854 That's not a simple question. 379 00:16:20,896 --> 00:16:23,357 He and Cindy had known each other since they were 380 00:16:23,399 --> 00:16:26,151 I don't know, a couple of dumb kids. 381 00:16:27,152 --> 00:16:28,779 He had grown into a different person 382 00:16:28,821 --> 00:16:31,907 and she wanted him to stay the way he was. 383 00:16:31,949 --> 00:16:34,743 - Are we talking about sex? - Yeah. 384 00:16:34,785 --> 00:16:36,012 He wanted to try different things 385 00:16:36,036 --> 00:16:38,288 but he didn't want to upset Cindy. 386 00:16:38,330 --> 00:16:40,082 That's what he kept saying to me. 387 00:16:40,124 --> 00:16:43,711 He was trying to figure out how do that without hurting her. 388 00:16:43,752 --> 00:16:47,673 But finally, he realized he had to leave. 389 00:16:47,715 --> 00:16:49,675 He told you that? When? 390 00:16:50,884 --> 00:16:53,178 A week or so before he died. 391 00:16:53,220 --> 00:16:55,264 - Did Cindy know that? - Of course! 392 00:16:55,305 --> 00:16:58,142 Oh, Barry was very honest with her. 393 00:16:58,183 --> 00:17:00,144 He wanted to do this right. 394 00:17:00,185 --> 00:17:02,104 But it just.. 395 00:17:02,146 --> 00:17:03,355 All went wrong. 396 00:17:03,397 --> 00:17:05,482 So about a year ago, the delacroixs 397 00:17:05,524 --> 00:17:07,443 upgraded their computer system 398 00:17:07,484 --> 00:17:11,655 and Barry discovered the wonders of pornography. 399 00:17:11,697 --> 00:17:12,990 Guy just went bananas. 400 00:17:13,032 --> 00:17:15,325 Two grand a month on their credit cards. 401 00:17:15,367 --> 00:17:18,245 - He only made $45,000 a year. - Wait, it gets better. 402 00:17:18,287 --> 00:17:19,887 Look where he's been spending most of his 403 00:17:19,913 --> 00:17:21,790 Internet time last couple of months. 404 00:17:21,832 --> 00:17:23,375 "Free living," what is this? 405 00:17:23,417 --> 00:17:25,335 It's like a swingers organization. 406 00:17:25,377 --> 00:17:28,547 - You mean like wife swapping? - More like just group sex. 407 00:17:28,589 --> 00:17:30,483 I've been trying to get in touch with some of these people 408 00:17:30,507 --> 00:17:31,901 but they're kind of hard to track down. 409 00:17:31,925 --> 00:17:34,178 Sex-addicted swinger and a religious wife. 410 00:17:34,219 --> 00:17:35,763 That's a recipe for disaster. 411 00:17:35,804 --> 00:17:36,889 And a slam-dunk motive 412 00:17:36,930 --> 00:17:38,366 if we can get somebody from free living 413 00:17:38,390 --> 00:17:40,642 to testify to Barry's involvement. 414 00:17:40,684 --> 00:17:42,686 - Keep looking. - You got it. 415 00:17:42,728 --> 00:17:45,397 Here's the ballistic report on your b and e case. 416 00:17:46,231 --> 00:17:48,192 Thank you. 417 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,911 (Maureen) 'Do you understand you have the right to counsel?' 418 00:17:59,703 --> 00:18:01,080 I've got nothing to hide. 419 00:18:01,121 --> 00:18:03,540 The burglar pulled a gun and we struggled. 420 00:18:03,582 --> 00:18:05,084 Your fingerprints are on the bullets. 421 00:18:05,125 --> 00:18:09,630 You lied to me, Mr. Simon. It was your gun. 422 00:18:09,671 --> 00:18:12,800 That's, that's not possible. 423 00:18:12,841 --> 00:18:15,219 I'm going to give you exactly one more chance 424 00:18:15,260 --> 00:18:17,012 to tell the truth. 425 00:18:18,222 --> 00:18:21,433 Okay. It was my gun. 426 00:18:21,475 --> 00:18:23,811 But it wasn't my idea to lie about it. 427 00:18:23,852 --> 00:18:26,105 Whose idea was it then? 428 00:18:26,146 --> 00:18:28,941 The officer.. Macklin. 429 00:18:28,982 --> 00:18:32,069 'Gosh, you know, I don't want to cause trouble for anybody.' 430 00:18:32,111 --> 00:18:33,487 what did macklin tell you? 431 00:18:33,529 --> 00:18:37,116 Okay, the gun wasn't registered. 432 00:18:37,157 --> 00:18:38,992 So when I told macklin that, he said 433 00:18:39,034 --> 00:18:41,411 I should say it was the burglar's gun. 434 00:18:42,955 --> 00:18:44,248 'He said it would save him.' 435 00:18:44,289 --> 00:18:47,251 me, everybody, a whole lot of trouble. 436 00:18:47,292 --> 00:18:50,379 He'd, he'd just write it up that way. 437 00:18:52,631 --> 00:18:54,591 His fingerprints are on the bullets. 438 00:18:54,633 --> 00:18:56,444 Wait a minute, are you saying that it was his gun? 439 00:18:56,468 --> 00:18:59,012 He says you told him to lie about it. 440 00:18:59,054 --> 00:19:00,406 You think I filed the false report? 441 00:19:00,430 --> 00:19:03,142 I'm informing you of what he said. 442 00:19:03,183 --> 00:19:06,145 You know, a lot of guys said some pretty nasty things 443 00:19:06,186 --> 00:19:08,814 about you after you testified against detective margate. 444 00:19:08,856 --> 00:19:10,566 I wasn't one of them. 445 00:19:10,607 --> 00:19:11,942 This is why I don't date cops. 446 00:19:11,984 --> 00:19:14,987 If Dave Simon said I told him to lie about that gun 447 00:19:15,028 --> 00:19:16,280 then he's making that up 448 00:19:16,321 --> 00:19:18,907 and if he's making that up, he's making up everything else. 449 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:21,910 Two things, Cindy delacroix purchased 450 00:19:21,952 --> 00:19:24,538 a set of kitchen knives six days before the murder. 451 00:19:24,580 --> 00:19:26,015 I have a credit card receipt to prove that. 452 00:19:26,039 --> 00:19:28,375 Do we know if the murder weapon came from those knives? 453 00:19:28,417 --> 00:19:29,626 I'll have forensics check. 454 00:19:29,668 --> 00:19:30,770 Great. What's the second thing? 455 00:19:30,794 --> 00:19:31,795 Cindy got a new lawyer. 456 00:19:31,837 --> 00:19:33,839 Somebody named Marla dodds. 457 00:19:33,881 --> 00:19:36,508 No. Oh, no, no, no. 458 00:19:36,550 --> 00:19:37,801 Well, who is she? 459 00:19:37,843 --> 00:19:39,279 She's a nightmare of a defense attorney 460 00:19:39,303 --> 00:19:41,346 and an unapologetic media hound. 461 00:19:41,388 --> 00:19:43,015 - That would make sense. - Why? 462 00:19:43,056 --> 00:19:45,976 'Cause she's outside on the courthouse steps right now. 463 00:19:46,768 --> 00:19:50,939 Religion is under attack in this country 464 00:19:50,981 --> 00:19:54,276 in our schools and in our courthouses. 465 00:19:54,318 --> 00:19:55,819 In this very courthouse 466 00:19:55,861 --> 00:19:59,573 where our sister, Cindy delacroix, will be tried. 467 00:19:59,615 --> 00:20:01,783 Is this just? 468 00:20:01,825 --> 00:20:03,285 Is it fair? 469 00:20:03,327 --> 00:20:04,703 No. Why? 470 00:20:04,745 --> 00:20:07,915 Because how can a godless process 471 00:20:07,956 --> 00:20:11,168 ever understand the heart 472 00:20:11,210 --> 00:20:14,046 of a god-fearing woman? 473 00:20:14,087 --> 00:20:16,840 'Let us all bow our heads' 474 00:20:16,882 --> 00:20:19,885 and join in a silent vigil 475 00:20:19,927 --> 00:20:21,720 for our sister Cindy. 476 00:20:21,762 --> 00:20:24,973 And let us pray that the holy spirit 477 00:20:25,015 --> 00:20:27,893 will touch the heart of this judge, this jury 478 00:20:27,935 --> 00:20:29,978 this prosecuting attorney 479 00:20:30,020 --> 00:20:32,522 'so that they, too, may one day' 480 00:20:32,564 --> 00:20:36,276 be able to hear the voice of god. 481 00:20:36,318 --> 00:20:39,404 She's praying the jury ignores the law? 482 00:20:40,656 --> 00:20:43,200 She's saying religious people should band together 483 00:20:43,242 --> 00:20:45,244 regardless of the cause. 484 00:20:45,285 --> 00:20:47,120 'She's manipulating emotions.' 485 00:20:47,162 --> 00:20:48,830 she's going for jury nullification. 486 00:20:48,872 --> 00:20:50,332 So what does that mean for us? 487 00:20:50,374 --> 00:20:53,293 [Sighs] It means I have the strongest murder case 488 00:20:53,335 --> 00:20:55,963 I could possibly have. 489 00:20:56,004 --> 00:20:58,131 And I could lose. 490 00:21:03,053 --> 00:21:06,682 No luck finding our swingers or the mysterious Marie? 491 00:21:06,723 --> 00:21:10,978 Nothing so far. Detective pitts is still on it. 492 00:21:11,019 --> 00:21:13,272 Well.. 493 00:21:13,313 --> 00:21:14,982 Show time. 494 00:21:16,817 --> 00:21:18,777 [Indistinct chatter] 495 00:21:22,364 --> 00:21:24,199 Ms. Chase. 496 00:21:24,241 --> 00:21:25,867 It is an honor to do battle 497 00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:28,620 with such a seasoned star of Indiana's 498 00:21:28,662 --> 00:21:30,539 criminal justice system. 499 00:21:30,580 --> 00:21:32,082 Ms. Dodds. 500 00:21:33,709 --> 00:21:35,752 Can we get you two together? 501 00:21:37,629 --> 00:21:39,756 You know what Jesus said at the last supper. 502 00:21:39,798 --> 00:21:41,174 "Everybody who wants in the picture 503 00:21:41,216 --> 00:21:43,593 get on my side of the table." 504 00:21:43,635 --> 00:21:45,220 [Indistinct chatter] 505 00:21:47,472 --> 00:21:49,891 (Maureen) 'What you told us is not adding up.' 506 00:21:49,933 --> 00:21:53,312 did you know the man you shot was a loan shark? 507 00:21:54,604 --> 00:21:57,107 Really? No. 508 00:21:57,149 --> 00:21:59,192 I have a sworn statement from your ex-wife 509 00:21:59,234 --> 00:22:01,695 saying she left you because of your gambling addiction. 510 00:22:01,737 --> 00:22:05,198 [Chuckles] Well, that's her side of the story. 511 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:06,533 Mm-hmm. 512 00:22:06,575 --> 00:22:10,996 Ernie hay came to your house on the evening of September 8th 513 00:22:11,038 --> 00:22:12,414 and you let him in. 514 00:22:12,456 --> 00:22:17,044 And he demanded that you pay him what you owed him. 515 00:22:18,837 --> 00:22:20,964 This record book from Ernie's apartment 516 00:22:21,006 --> 00:22:24,509 has you in the red for 150 grand in football bets. 517 00:22:24,551 --> 00:22:26,970 When you told him you couldn't pay him, he threatened you 518 00:22:27,012 --> 00:22:29,097 so you got your gun out and shot him. 519 00:22:29,139 --> 00:22:32,184 Come on. You-you know that's not the way it was. 520 00:22:32,225 --> 00:22:34,770 Then you broke the window to make it look like a burglary 521 00:22:34,811 --> 00:22:37,981 got his fingerprints on the gun to make it look like it was his 522 00:22:38,023 --> 00:22:39,733 to make it look like self-defense. 523 00:22:39,775 --> 00:22:40,942 It was self-defense. 524 00:22:40,984 --> 00:22:44,154 Except there was no break-in and he never had a gun. 525 00:22:44,196 --> 00:22:47,824 And I never told you to say that the gun was his. 526 00:22:50,535 --> 00:22:52,621 I want to talk to a lawyer. 527 00:22:52,662 --> 00:22:54,790 [Scoffs] 528 00:22:54,831 --> 00:22:57,376 (Female #2) 'The first stab wound was directly above' 529 00:22:57,417 --> 00:23:00,712 'the right shoulder blade, the second stab wound' 530 00:23:00,754 --> 00:23:02,756 punctured the victim's left lung 531 00:23:02,798 --> 00:23:04,299 and the third one went very deep 532 00:23:04,341 --> 00:23:06,510 'causing massive internal bleeding.' 533 00:23:06,551 --> 00:23:08,178 how would you categorize such wounds? 534 00:23:08,220 --> 00:23:11,765 These would be classified as rage wounds. 535 00:23:11,807 --> 00:23:13,809 (Annabeth) 'Thank you.' 536 00:23:16,770 --> 00:23:18,688 no questions, your honor. 537 00:23:20,399 --> 00:23:23,860 Detective Welsh, can you tell us if any of these knives 538 00:23:23,902 --> 00:23:26,029 were used in the commission of the crime? 539 00:23:26,071 --> 00:23:27,531 The largest one, the chef's knife 540 00:23:27,572 --> 00:23:29,324 was found imbedded in the victim's back. 541 00:23:29,366 --> 00:23:31,594 (Annabeth) 'The one with the defendant's fingerprints on it?' 542 00:23:31,618 --> 00:23:34,871 - 'that's correct.' - Nothing further, your honor. 543 00:23:36,248 --> 00:23:38,500 Thank you for your good work, detective. 544 00:23:38,542 --> 00:23:40,752 No questions, your honor. 545 00:23:42,796 --> 00:23:44,714 (Annabeth) 'Pastor rayburn..' 546 00:23:46,007 --> 00:23:47,175 does god speak to you? 547 00:23:47,217 --> 00:23:49,344 - 'Absolutely.' - in what way? 548 00:23:49,386 --> 00:23:54,224 I sense him in my heart, in my soul. 549 00:23:54,266 --> 00:23:55,684 In every way possible. 550 00:23:55,725 --> 00:23:57,936 Does god condone killing? 551 00:23:57,978 --> 00:23:59,896 No. Of course not. 552 00:23:59,938 --> 00:24:01,648 (Annabeth) 'Thank you, pastor.' 553 00:24:01,690 --> 00:24:04,234 no further questions, your honor. 554 00:24:07,946 --> 00:24:09,656 Pastor.. 555 00:24:09,698 --> 00:24:10,991 What does the Bible say 556 00:24:11,032 --> 00:24:13,076 that god did to sodom and gomorrah 557 00:24:13,118 --> 00:24:14,578 for their sins of the flesh? 558 00:24:14,619 --> 00:24:15,871 He destroyed them. 559 00:24:15,912 --> 00:24:17,789 Objection, your honor. The reference... 560 00:24:17,831 --> 00:24:19,708 Your honor, Ms. Chase is the one 561 00:24:19,749 --> 00:24:21,394 who opened the door to this line of questioning 562 00:24:21,418 --> 00:24:24,212 when she asked the witness if god condoned killing. 563 00:24:24,254 --> 00:24:25,881 Actually, I'm objecting to the reference 564 00:24:25,922 --> 00:24:27,007 to sodom and gomorrah, 565 00:24:27,048 --> 00:24:29,009 in which god did not ask an individual 566 00:24:29,050 --> 00:24:31,928 to do the destruction, he did it himself. 567 00:24:31,970 --> 00:24:34,681 And if the court wishes to get into biblical debates 568 00:24:34,723 --> 00:24:36,808 we'll be here indefinitely. 569 00:24:36,850 --> 00:24:40,604 Stay on target, Dr. Dodds. 570 00:24:40,645 --> 00:24:43,064 Pastor, the last time that Cindy 571 00:24:43,106 --> 00:24:47,903 came to you for help, what was going on in her life? 572 00:24:49,571 --> 00:24:52,449 She was struggling to save her marriage. 573 00:24:52,491 --> 00:24:54,493 Struggling against what? 574 00:24:54,534 --> 00:24:57,287 Her husband's sexual obsessions. 575 00:24:57,329 --> 00:25:00,165 'Mm! Could you be more specific?' 576 00:25:01,750 --> 00:25:05,670 he, he wanted Cindy to have sex with multiple partners. 577 00:25:07,255 --> 00:25:11,426 (Dodds) 'And what did Cindy want?' 578 00:25:11,468 --> 00:25:14,513 (male #3) 'A family. A normal marriage.' 579 00:25:15,388 --> 00:25:17,933 so, when Cindy asked for your help, what.. 580 00:25:17,974 --> 00:25:20,644 What sort of advice did you give her? 581 00:25:20,685 --> 00:25:23,688 I said the Bible teaches us to hold marriage sacred 582 00:25:23,730 --> 00:25:26,608 but in this case, her marriage may not be a real marriage 583 00:25:26,650 --> 00:25:28,902 anymore, but a.. 584 00:25:28,944 --> 00:25:31,947 A perversion of marriage. 585 00:25:31,988 --> 00:25:35,283 Oh, so, did you offer a remedy? 586 00:25:38,161 --> 00:25:39,996 I told her to open her heart. 587 00:25:41,498 --> 00:25:44,543 That god would tell her what to do. 588 00:25:48,672 --> 00:25:51,174 I think we made a big mistake not arguing religion. 589 00:25:51,216 --> 00:25:52,133 How'd it go? 590 00:25:52,175 --> 00:25:53,611 She's turned into St. Cindy in there. 591 00:25:53,635 --> 00:25:55,512 We should call the pastor again for tomorrow. 592 00:25:55,554 --> 00:25:57,764 Steve, this is how she does it. This is how she wins. 593 00:25:57,806 --> 00:26:00,267 She puts the focus of the debate as far away from the crime 594 00:26:00,308 --> 00:26:01,786 as possible, and gets you to follow her. 595 00:26:01,810 --> 00:26:05,897 Guys, good news. I found the swingers, they want to talk. 596 00:26:05,939 --> 00:26:08,066 Let's not keep them waiting. 597 00:26:09,693 --> 00:26:13,363 We've just been in a state of utter confusion, Phil and me. 598 00:26:13,405 --> 00:26:16,866 I mean, we couldn't believe that Barry was dead. 599 00:26:16,908 --> 00:26:19,077 It's just so awful. 600 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:20,579 When we heard all the horrible things 601 00:26:20,620 --> 00:26:22,998 they were saying about Barry on TV 602 00:26:23,039 --> 00:26:25,959 particularly because he was involved in free living.. 603 00:26:26,001 --> 00:26:28,795 We knew we had to speak out. 604 00:26:28,837 --> 00:26:31,673 Well, you did the right thing. 605 00:26:31,715 --> 00:26:34,926 Yes, and we are interested in anything you have to tell us. 606 00:26:34,968 --> 00:26:40,015 Well, first of all, Barry was a good man. 607 00:26:40,056 --> 00:26:41,099 A sweetheart. 608 00:26:41,141 --> 00:26:43,310 He did not deserve to die like that. 609 00:26:43,351 --> 00:26:46,354 And second, that woman, keeps calling herself Cindy 610 00:26:46,396 --> 00:26:49,524 his wife, she's a hypocrite. 611 00:26:49,566 --> 00:26:51,359 You knew Cindy? 612 00:26:51,401 --> 00:26:53,028 We knew her. 613 00:26:54,779 --> 00:26:56,615 As Marie. 614 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,245 We've been getting the victim's mail since the murder 615 00:27:02,287 --> 00:27:03,997 and that bill just came in. 616 00:27:04,039 --> 00:27:06,249 Barry reserved a moving truck. 617 00:27:06,291 --> 00:27:07,834 Picking it up the day he died. 618 00:27:07,876 --> 00:27:09,336 Somebody up there likes you. 619 00:27:09,377 --> 00:27:10,479 Defense get a hold of that yet? 620 00:27:10,503 --> 00:27:11,856 Yeah, they just got it this morning. 621 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,482 Well, they're going to claim Cindy didn't know 622 00:27:13,506 --> 00:27:14,633 anything about it. 623 00:27:14,674 --> 00:27:16,217 Now with Marla as her attorney 624 00:27:16,259 --> 00:27:17,677 I have to get Cindy on the stand. 625 00:27:17,719 --> 00:27:20,472 Dodds won't let that happen in a million years. 626 00:27:20,513 --> 00:27:21,598 Cindy's a woman scorned. 627 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,475 I have to find a way to let the jury see that. 628 00:27:23,516 --> 00:27:24,601 Let the evidence show them. 629 00:27:24,643 --> 00:27:26,019 That's just it, dodds has a way 630 00:27:26,061 --> 00:27:27,771 of making evidence irrelevant. 631 00:27:27,812 --> 00:27:30,023 I have to provoke Cindy to testify. 632 00:27:34,569 --> 00:27:37,030 Was Barry alone when he came 633 00:27:37,072 --> 00:27:39,866 to the free living sex parties here in Indianapolis? 634 00:27:39,908 --> 00:27:42,786 First of all, they're not parties, or orgies 635 00:27:42,827 --> 00:27:45,538 they're sexual exploration seminars. 636 00:27:45,580 --> 00:27:48,166 The witness will answer the question. 637 00:27:48,208 --> 00:27:53,088 Did Barry come to these sexual seminars alone? 638 00:27:53,129 --> 00:27:54,506 No. 639 00:27:54,547 --> 00:27:56,049 Who did he come with? 640 00:27:56,091 --> 00:27:59,094 He came with his girlfriend, Marie. 641 00:27:59,135 --> 00:28:02,847 - Is Marie here today? - Yes. 642 00:28:02,889 --> 00:28:05,725 Would you point her out to us, please? 643 00:28:06,810 --> 00:28:08,436 Oh, she's lying. 644 00:28:08,478 --> 00:28:09,813 Objection, your honor. 645 00:28:09,854 --> 00:28:13,400 This is an unsubstantiated allegation. 646 00:28:13,441 --> 00:28:15,276 Your honor.. 647 00:28:16,403 --> 00:28:18,780 This dress.. 648 00:28:18,822 --> 00:28:21,241 With a name tag that reads in full.. 649 00:28:21,282 --> 00:28:25,370 "Free living seminar. Hi, my name is Marie." 650 00:28:25,412 --> 00:28:26,913 Was found in the delacroix's bedroom. 651 00:28:26,955 --> 00:28:29,874 In Barry delacroix's closet, not Cindy's. 652 00:28:29,916 --> 00:28:32,919 Your honor, we are checking DNA from the dress against DNA 653 00:28:32,961 --> 00:28:34,045 taken from the defendant. 654 00:28:34,087 --> 00:28:36,089 But if need be the witness can identify 655 00:28:36,131 --> 00:28:40,051 certain birthmarks on the defendant's body. 656 00:28:43,847 --> 00:28:45,724 Withdrawn. 657 00:28:48,685 --> 00:28:51,563 What happened when you first met Cindy? 658 00:28:51,604 --> 00:28:54,524 She was real nervous, so I got her a drink 659 00:28:54,566 --> 00:28:56,151 and we just talked. 660 00:28:56,192 --> 00:28:59,571 She enjoys drinking white Russians, and so do I. 661 00:28:59,612 --> 00:29:02,115 So I-I told her that they don't have to be fattening 662 00:29:02,157 --> 00:29:03,825 if you make 'em with skim milk. 663 00:29:03,867 --> 00:29:05,702 (Annabeth) 'And then what happened?' 664 00:29:05,744 --> 00:29:09,873 she met my husband Phil, and we danced a little bit 665 00:29:09,914 --> 00:29:13,585 and, eventually, we hooked up with Barry. 666 00:29:13,626 --> 00:29:15,587 And then with a couple of other couples 667 00:29:15,628 --> 00:29:19,799 and, you know, had sex. 668 00:29:23,428 --> 00:29:25,430 Who had sex? 669 00:29:25,472 --> 00:29:28,475 We all had sex. Together. 670 00:29:32,312 --> 00:29:34,272 Did you have sexual relations 671 00:29:34,314 --> 00:29:36,941 with Cindy delacroix at this seminar? 672 00:29:36,983 --> 00:29:39,068 Yes. Two different times. 673 00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:40,820 This is wrong. 674 00:29:41,863 --> 00:29:43,782 Was she a willing participant? 675 00:29:43,823 --> 00:29:47,118 - I would say so. - Based on.. 676 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,745 Based on.. 677 00:29:50,205 --> 00:29:51,706 She was very giving. 678 00:29:51,748 --> 00:29:57,170 And she certainly seemed... Satisfied. 679 00:29:57,212 --> 00:29:59,964 She cannot say this about me. 680 00:30:00,006 --> 00:30:01,341 Take your seat, Mrs. Delacroix. 681 00:30:01,382 --> 00:30:03,593 She also came back to three different seminars. 682 00:30:03,635 --> 00:30:04,594 She is lying! 683 00:30:04,636 --> 00:30:06,179 [Gavel banging] No, let go of me! 684 00:30:06,221 --> 00:30:09,098 This woman is lying, and I demand to be heard! 685 00:30:09,140 --> 00:30:10,642 This is my trial. 686 00:30:10,683 --> 00:30:12,894 (Judge p. Teague) 'Order! The defendant will be silent.' 687 00:30:12,936 --> 00:30:15,730 'counselors, approach the bench now.' 688 00:30:19,567 --> 00:30:21,378 there is nothing more fundamental then the right 689 00:30:21,402 --> 00:30:23,279 of the accused to speak in her own defense. 690 00:30:23,321 --> 00:30:25,532 What about the rights against self-incrimination? 691 00:30:25,573 --> 00:30:26,717 She's on the record as saying 692 00:30:26,741 --> 00:30:28,868 she wishes to testify, Dr. Dodds. 693 00:30:28,910 --> 00:30:32,622 'Has she expressed this wish to your privately as well?' 694 00:30:34,207 --> 00:30:36,125 she has, your honor. 695 00:30:36,167 --> 00:30:38,169 Then that is her right. 696 00:30:43,258 --> 00:30:44,926 (Cindy) 'We've been married for 12 years' 697 00:30:44,968 --> 00:30:47,971 'and our sex life had always been normal.' 698 00:30:48,012 --> 00:30:53,268 but then Barry started telling me how repressed he felt. 699 00:30:53,309 --> 00:30:56,145 That he enjoyed other things. 700 00:30:56,855 --> 00:30:58,439 I know this is difficult, Cindy 701 00:30:58,481 --> 00:31:02,819 but you need to be more specific. 702 00:31:04,279 --> 00:31:07,365 The lord wanted me to do whatever it took 703 00:31:07,407 --> 00:31:09,075 to save my marriage. 704 00:31:09,117 --> 00:31:13,079 Even sleeping with other people? 705 00:31:13,121 --> 00:31:15,123 It wasn't easy. 706 00:31:15,164 --> 00:31:17,250 'Or pleasurable.' 707 00:31:17,292 --> 00:31:20,795 I didn't enjoy anything, like that woman said 708 00:31:20,837 --> 00:31:24,173 but Barry wanted to experiment. 709 00:31:24,215 --> 00:31:26,259 And did you want to experiment? 710 00:31:27,719 --> 00:31:30,680 I didn't want to lose my husband. 711 00:31:30,722 --> 00:31:34,183 Love, honor and obey your husband. 712 00:31:34,225 --> 00:31:36,686 Those may be words to some people 713 00:31:36,728 --> 00:31:39,188 but to me, they're not. 714 00:31:39,230 --> 00:31:41,441 'And I loved him..' 715 00:31:41,482 --> 00:31:44,235 so much, I lowered myself. 716 00:31:46,029 --> 00:31:48,406 It was.. 717 00:31:48,448 --> 00:31:50,450 Sickening. 718 00:31:50,491 --> 00:31:52,827 'So, I prayed for guidance.' 719 00:31:52,869 --> 00:31:56,623 I asked the lord to protect me. 720 00:31:56,664 --> 00:31:58,833 And he answered me. 721 00:32:00,501 --> 00:32:02,587 How? 722 00:32:02,629 --> 00:32:05,048 A voice. 723 00:32:05,089 --> 00:32:07,216 God spoke to me. 724 00:32:07,258 --> 00:32:10,094 He said he was with me 725 00:32:10,136 --> 00:32:13,181 but that I needed to protect myself. 726 00:32:15,141 --> 00:32:18,102 He told me to pick up the knife. 727 00:32:18,144 --> 00:32:20,188 He told me he would guide my hand. 728 00:32:21,230 --> 00:32:23,483 And that's the last thing I remember. 729 00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:31,991 So, it's your testimony that you had sex with Cheryl pierson 730 00:32:32,033 --> 00:32:34,160 but you did not enjoy it? 731 00:32:35,244 --> 00:32:37,121 I did not. 732 00:32:37,163 --> 00:32:39,123 You did not enjoy it twice? 733 00:32:39,165 --> 00:32:41,668 - 'Objection, your honor.' - 'Withdrawn.' 734 00:32:41,709 --> 00:32:46,089 did Barry force you to have sex with other people? 735 00:32:46,130 --> 00:32:50,760 Did he hurt you or threaten you? 736 00:32:50,802 --> 00:32:52,428 I knew it was what he wanted. 737 00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:55,181 But did he physically force you? 738 00:32:56,182 --> 00:32:57,016 No. 739 00:32:57,058 --> 00:32:59,227 'Did he threaten you in any way?' 740 00:33:00,603 --> 00:33:02,522 no. 741 00:33:02,563 --> 00:33:05,108 Did things improve between you and Barry 742 00:33:05,149 --> 00:33:07,110 after you had sex with other people? 743 00:33:07,151 --> 00:33:08,695 No, they did not. 744 00:33:08,736 --> 00:33:11,864 In fact, Barry reserved a rental moving truck 745 00:33:11,906 --> 00:33:13,741 six days before the murder. 746 00:33:13,783 --> 00:33:15,618 Isn't that true? 747 00:33:15,660 --> 00:33:17,495 I'm not sure. 748 00:33:20,498 --> 00:33:23,376 It must have been awful for you 749 00:33:23,418 --> 00:33:26,170 to have lowered yourself like that. 750 00:33:26,212 --> 00:33:28,923 Sacrificed your standards 751 00:33:28,965 --> 00:33:30,550 your morals, your own body. 752 00:33:30,591 --> 00:33:35,471 I prayed that he would see the error of his ways. 753 00:33:35,513 --> 00:33:38,474 Because god gives us free will. 754 00:33:38,516 --> 00:33:39,851 That's right. 755 00:33:39,892 --> 00:33:42,311 Did god tell you to go to those sex parties 756 00:33:42,353 --> 00:33:45,523 or did you choose that of your own free will? 757 00:33:45,565 --> 00:33:47,483 I did it to save my marriage. 758 00:33:47,525 --> 00:33:51,029 But you chose to stay in that marriage. 759 00:33:51,070 --> 00:33:53,364 'Barry wanted a divorce. He wanted out.' 760 00:33:53,406 --> 00:33:57,035 he told you he intended to have sex with other people 761 00:33:57,076 --> 00:33:58,911 but you chose to stay. 762 00:33:58,953 --> 00:34:00,580 I loved him. 763 00:34:00,621 --> 00:34:03,583 Love is a powerful thing, Mrs. Delacroix 764 00:34:03,624 --> 00:34:05,877 but so is rage. 765 00:34:05,918 --> 00:34:07,587 So is shame. 766 00:34:07,628 --> 00:34:10,423 Like the shame you felt when you attended sex party 767 00:34:10,465 --> 00:34:13,885 after sex party, debased yourself with another woman 768 00:34:13,926 --> 00:34:16,471 'and Barry told you he was moving out, anyway.' 769 00:34:16,512 --> 00:34:19,390 and the rage you felt when you picked up that knife 770 00:34:19,432 --> 00:34:22,643 and of your own free will stabbed him in the back. 771 00:34:22,685 --> 00:34:24,353 - No. - 'You wanted revenge.' 772 00:34:24,395 --> 00:34:25,748 you wanted him to pay, you wanted him 773 00:34:25,772 --> 00:34:27,190 to hurt the way you were hurting. 774 00:34:27,231 --> 00:34:30,651 I just didn't want him to leave me! 775 00:34:44,290 --> 00:34:45,208 How great was that? 776 00:34:45,249 --> 00:34:46,417 If this were any other trial 777 00:34:46,459 --> 00:34:47,835 I'd say you made your case 778 00:34:47,877 --> 00:34:49,754 but whatever you did, dodds has succeeded 779 00:34:49,796 --> 00:34:51,464 in making god the defendant. 780 00:34:51,506 --> 00:34:53,859 There are one or two jurors just lapping up everything she says. 781 00:34:53,883 --> 00:34:55,194 You're gonna have to get through to them. 782 00:34:55,218 --> 00:34:56,928 It all comes down to the closing argument. 783 00:34:56,969 --> 00:34:59,847 You're gonna have to make a better sermon than she does. 784 00:35:03,559 --> 00:35:06,646 God is real 785 00:35:06,687 --> 00:35:11,400 and god speaks to us all. 786 00:35:11,442 --> 00:35:16,114 'But most of us choose to ignore him' 787 00:35:16,155 --> 00:35:18,574 because most of us don't want.. 788 00:35:20,368 --> 00:35:22,328 To hear his word 789 00:35:22,370 --> 00:35:24,205 because if we did.. 790 00:35:25,414 --> 00:35:29,377 We might be called upon to act. 791 00:35:30,378 --> 00:35:32,255 To sacrifice. 792 00:35:33,798 --> 00:35:36,050 I'm sure that 793 00:35:36,092 --> 00:35:38,678 that many of you 794 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,181 have a personal relationship with god 795 00:35:42,223 --> 00:35:45,393 'but you are also under attack' 796 00:35:45,434 --> 00:35:47,562 because in this country 797 00:35:47,603 --> 00:35:50,022 if a person says 798 00:35:50,064 --> 00:35:53,776 that god speaks to them, not in an intellectual 799 00:35:53,818 --> 00:35:57,989 or metaphorical way, but actually, actually 800 00:35:58,030 --> 00:36:01,784 speaks to them, that person.. 801 00:36:03,536 --> 00:36:05,746 Will be vilified. 802 00:36:06,789 --> 00:36:11,210 'Barry delacroix was a lost man.' 803 00:36:12,962 --> 00:36:15,298 'he lost his faith.' 804 00:36:15,339 --> 00:36:18,968 'he chose to live a life of perversity' 805 00:36:19,010 --> 00:36:22,930 and depravity, and he wanted 806 00:36:22,972 --> 00:36:25,600 and expected his wife 807 00:36:25,641 --> 00:36:27,185 to do the same. 808 00:36:27,226 --> 00:36:29,312 He wanted his wife 809 00:36:29,353 --> 00:36:32,148 to have homosexual experiences 810 00:36:32,190 --> 00:36:34,984 for his entertainment. 811 00:36:35,026 --> 00:36:38,988 He wanted to offer her body to other men 812 00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:42,909 for their sexual gratification. 813 00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:45,661 Now, you tell me 814 00:36:45,703 --> 00:36:48,706 who has committed the crime here? 815 00:36:49,665 --> 00:36:54,378 'This man, or this woman' 816 00:36:54,420 --> 00:36:56,714 who has listened 817 00:36:56,756 --> 00:37:00,551 to the never-changing voice.. 818 00:37:02,678 --> 00:37:05,097 Of a moral god? 819 00:37:12,104 --> 00:37:14,941 Does the prosecution wish to rebut? 820 00:37:20,655 --> 00:37:22,073 I'm not here to debate 821 00:37:22,114 --> 00:37:25,618 whether Cindy delacroix is a woman of faith. 822 00:37:27,245 --> 00:37:30,623 I don't know if god has provided her 823 00:37:30,665 --> 00:37:35,169 comfort and guidance throughout her life. 824 00:37:35,211 --> 00:37:37,129 I hope he has. 825 00:37:37,171 --> 00:37:41,384 I'm here to see that Cindy delacroix 826 00:37:41,425 --> 00:37:45,721 is held responsible for the act she committed. 827 00:37:48,641 --> 00:37:50,559 Her husband Barry 828 00:37:50,601 --> 00:37:53,980 had some strange ideas, I'll give you that. 829 00:37:54,897 --> 00:38:01,320 But he never forced her to do anything. 830 00:38:01,362 --> 00:38:04,448 He tried to extricate himself from the marriage 831 00:38:04,490 --> 00:38:06,909 so they could both lead the lives they wanted 832 00:38:06,951 --> 00:38:10,913 but instead, Cindy chose 833 00:38:10,955 --> 00:38:13,207 to attend numerous sex parties with him 834 00:38:13,249 --> 00:38:17,461 where she chose to have sex with other people. 835 00:38:18,629 --> 00:38:22,049 When Barry decided to leave, anyway 836 00:38:22,091 --> 00:38:26,095 Cindy chose to take matters into her own hands. 837 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,142 She chose a particular knife 838 00:38:31,183 --> 00:38:35,896 and when her husband was about to walk out the door forever 839 00:38:35,938 --> 00:38:38,566 she chose to Bury that knife 840 00:38:38,607 --> 00:38:41,777 in his back, not once.. 841 00:38:42,737 --> 00:38:45,072 Not twice.. 842 00:38:46,115 --> 00:38:48,784 Three times. 843 00:38:57,501 --> 00:39:01,297 Cindy delacroix is not a Saint. 844 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,134 She is a murderer. 845 00:39:10,848 --> 00:39:13,100 [Dramatic music] 846 00:39:15,353 --> 00:39:18,314 (Judge p. Teague) Will the defendant please rise. 847 00:39:19,732 --> 00:39:23,319 Members of the jury, have you reached a verdict? 848 00:39:23,361 --> 00:39:26,238 - We have, your honor. - 'What say you?' 849 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,033 on the sole count of murder, we the jury 850 00:39:29,075 --> 00:39:31,660 'find the defendant, Cindy delacroix..' 851 00:39:36,082 --> 00:39:37,249 guilty. 852 00:39:37,291 --> 00:39:39,668 [Indistinct chatter] 853 00:39:39,710 --> 00:39:41,563 (Judge p. Teague) 'Bailiffs, take charge of the defendant.' 854 00:39:41,587 --> 00:39:44,173 'members of the jury, this completes your service.' 855 00:39:44,215 --> 00:39:46,467 'you are dismissed with the thanks of the court.' 856 00:39:46,509 --> 00:39:48,636 'we are adjourned.' 857 00:39:48,677 --> 00:39:50,012 [indistinct chatter] 858 00:39:50,054 --> 00:39:54,558 ♪ All things bright and beautiful ♪ 859 00:39:54,600 --> 00:40:00,689 ♪ all creatures great and small ♪ 860 00:40:00,731 --> 00:40:05,444 ♪ all things wise and wonderful ♪ 861 00:40:05,486 --> 00:40:10,658 ♪ the lord god made them all ♪ 862 00:40:10,699 --> 00:40:16,163 ♪ each little flower that opens ♪ 863 00:40:16,205 --> 00:40:21,502 ♪ each little bird that sings ♪ 864 00:40:21,544 --> 00:40:26,882 ♪ he made their glowing colors ♪ 865 00:40:26,924 --> 00:40:32,721 ♪ he made their tiny wings ♪ 866 00:40:32,763 --> 00:40:37,393 ♪ all things bright and beautiful ♪ 867 00:40:37,435 --> 00:40:43,441 ♪ all creatures great and small ♪ 868 00:40:43,482 --> 00:40:48,362 ♪ all things wise and wonderful ♪ 869 00:40:48,404 --> 00:40:50,364 ♪ the lord god ♪ 870 00:40:50,406 --> 00:40:54,869 ♪ made them all ♪♪ 871 00:40:57,830 --> 00:41:01,125 (Annabeth) Stay tuned for scenes from our next episode. 872 00:41:01,876 --> 00:41:03,961 [Instrumental music] 64827

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