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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:54,500 --> 00:00:58,042 They tell me I can save the world. 4 00:01:05,584 --> 00:01:09,084 The orangutans, the dolphins, 5 00:01:10,209 --> 00:01:13,542 the ocean, the rainforest, 6 00:01:13,709 --> 00:01:15,709 and even humankind. 7 00:01:18,792 --> 00:01:24,875 All I have to do is buy sustainable and fair products. 8 00:01:29,084 --> 00:01:31,625 But that is a lie. 9 00:02:00,542 --> 00:02:04,084 More and more people around the world are taking to the streets 10 00:02:04,417 --> 00:02:08,042 to protest the way corporations make products 11 00:02:08,209 --> 00:02:11,084 and behave on the market. 12 00:02:13,917 --> 00:02:16,792 I've never been to any of those protests. 13 00:02:20,875 --> 00:02:24,167 Since my childhood I've been striving for harmony. 14 00:02:28,084 --> 00:02:30,459 I've always been very attentive. 15 00:02:33,292 --> 00:02:37,542 I learned that honesty and politeness are important virtues. 16 00:02:38,834 --> 00:02:40,750 And being well-dressed. 17 00:02:46,250 --> 00:02:51,667 And now, as an average consumer, I want to know what I can do 18 00:02:51,834 --> 00:02:55,625 to stop the destruction of nature by corporations. 19 00:02:55,792 --> 00:02:59,167 Do I really just have to "shop the right way"? 20 00:03:00,292 --> 00:03:03,042 That's why I decided to make this film 21 00:03:03,792 --> 00:03:06,584 together with Kathrin Hartmann. 22 00:03:08,375 --> 00:03:09,792 Werner! 23 00:03:13,625 --> 00:03:14,792 Hi. 24 00:03:14,959 --> 00:03:17,000 Great to have you here. - Great to see you. 25 00:03:17,167 --> 00:03:20,750 That's where we're going. - Great. I'll have a look. 26 00:03:21,375 --> 00:03:25,375 Kathrin has been working on the issue of sustainability for years. 27 00:03:25,542 --> 00:03:28,209 I'll take you to the hotel and we'll get ready. 28 00:03:28,375 --> 00:03:30,500 Exactly. We'll get dolled up. 29 00:03:30,667 --> 00:03:32,625 How are you? - Great. 30 00:03:32,959 --> 00:03:35,084 She is the top expert in greenwashing. 31 00:03:35,417 --> 00:03:39,250 She recognizes when corporations are spreading disinformation 32 00:03:39,584 --> 00:03:41,959 to create a green image for themselves. 33 00:03:44,500 --> 00:03:48,042 On TV she levels harsh criticism at companies. 34 00:03:49,875 --> 00:03:52,292 We first met five years ago 35 00:03:52,459 --> 00:03:54,917 at a panel discussion on TV 36 00:03:55,084 --> 00:03:58,250 after the release of my previous film "Plastic Planet". 37 00:03:59,084 --> 00:04:01,042 We all feel awfully guilty. 38 00:04:01,209 --> 00:04:03,667 Because we know exactly 39 00:04:03,834 --> 00:04:07,375 what our way of living is doing to the world. 40 00:04:07,542 --> 00:04:10,750 Many people have changed their buying habits. 41 00:04:10,917 --> 00:04:15,000 It may not make a big difference, but we have to start somewhere. 42 00:04:15,334 --> 00:04:18,209 The industry call us consumers, not citizens. 43 00:04:18,375 --> 00:04:20,209 IS THERE AN ECO-FRIENDLY LIFESTYLE? 44 00:04:20,375 --> 00:04:23,292 I'm not just a consumer. I'm a human being, a citizen. 45 00:04:32,417 --> 00:04:35,709 Our journey starts in my home town. 46 00:04:35,875 --> 00:04:39,584 Vienna has one of the highest qualities of living in the world. 47 00:04:39,750 --> 00:04:45,209 There are hardly any social protests and almost no violent demonstrations. 48 00:04:45,917 --> 00:04:48,625 This makes it a popular place to do business. 49 00:04:49,750 --> 00:04:53,917 Today it's hosting an industrial sustainability event. 50 00:04:54,084 --> 00:04:56,625 And using the "good cop, bad cop" method, 51 00:04:56,792 --> 00:04:59,459 we want to look at how, where and when 52 00:04:59,625 --> 00:05:01,625 industry is lying to us. 53 00:05:02,959 --> 00:05:07,500 Christina, you look stunning tonight. 54 00:05:07,834 --> 00:05:10,250 Hello. - This is Kathrin Hartmann. 55 00:05:10,417 --> 00:05:14,542 She's a German author who's come here for the SEA Award. 56 00:05:14,709 --> 00:05:16,209 I'm pleased to hear that. 57 00:05:16,375 --> 00:05:21,125 She's the organizer of the SEA Award. - Oh, I see. He told me all about it. 58 00:05:21,292 --> 00:05:24,084 Thanks for the invite. - He's a great promoter, right? 59 00:05:24,250 --> 00:05:27,750 She's a book author and writes about sustainability issues. 60 00:05:27,917 --> 00:05:30,459 And I thought I'd... - Bring us together. 61 00:05:30,625 --> 00:05:32,709 I wanted to show her all these companies. 62 00:05:32,875 --> 00:05:35,792 They are sustainable, right? - Of course! 63 00:05:35,959 --> 00:05:39,417 We only support companies that fix the world, not destroy it. 64 00:05:39,750 --> 00:05:43,250 I'm bowled over by your dress. - Thanks. 65 00:05:43,417 --> 00:05:48,209 Is it sustainable? It definitely leaves a lasting impression! 66 00:05:48,792 --> 00:05:52,792 Werner! You should know: sustainability is sexy. 67 00:05:56,250 --> 00:05:57,834 Good evening. - Good evening. 68 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,750 This is about sustainability. It's about our environment. 69 00:06:02,917 --> 00:06:05,584 And how we treat our planet 70 00:06:05,750 --> 00:06:09,042 affects us in ways that sometimes we don't even think of. 71 00:06:10,042 --> 00:06:13,250 Please welcome Mr. Marc Pacheco. 72 00:06:16,709 --> 00:06:19,834 You know, I head the great fortune this year 73 00:06:20,375 --> 00:06:22,334 of being at the White House, 74 00:06:22,792 --> 00:06:25,625 when Pope Francis was there. 75 00:06:26,042 --> 00:06:31,125 Everyone wants to be involved. Everyone wants the world to be healthy. 76 00:06:31,292 --> 00:06:34,750 And thriving. Isn't that great? - Yes, absolutely. 77 00:06:34,917 --> 00:06:37,459 But that doesn't change a thing. 78 00:06:37,625 --> 00:06:39,958 But that's why we're here. - Really? 79 00:06:40,292 --> 00:06:45,542 This is an award for industry to present their brightest green ideas. 80 00:06:46,125 --> 00:06:49,584 So that this collective home that we all call 81 00:06:51,333 --> 00:06:53,083 our planet 82 00:06:53,417 --> 00:06:55,375 will be able to survive 83 00:06:56,500 --> 00:06:58,708 for the generations that follow us. 84 00:06:58,875 --> 00:07:00,042 Thank you. 85 00:07:02,792 --> 00:07:06,500 I don't think any of these companies are big multinationals, 86 00:07:06,667 --> 00:07:08,875 because they wouldn't give a shit. 87 00:07:09,042 --> 00:07:12,709 But that's the guy from Berkshire Hathaway over there. 88 00:07:13,250 --> 00:07:17,334 Warren Buffet's company, the fifth largest company in the world. 89 00:07:17,500 --> 00:07:19,417 You're right. And it's surprising. 90 00:07:19,584 --> 00:07:23,667 If Berkshire Hathaway actually took sustainability seriously... 91 00:07:23,834 --> 00:07:26,125 But he is! He came to Vienna and he's here. 92 00:07:26,459 --> 00:07:29,250 If so, they'd have to ditch their Coca-Cola stock 93 00:07:29,417 --> 00:07:34,709 and get rid of their shares in Phillips 66. 94 00:07:34,875 --> 00:07:40,834 They sold their oil shares, but now they're investing in gas stations. 95 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,417 That's because the oil prices are low now 96 00:07:43,584 --> 00:07:47,500 and people are buying much more fuel, which is good for business. 97 00:07:47,667 --> 00:07:49,042 Why is he here then? 98 00:07:49,209 --> 00:07:52,125 We could ask him directly. - Why not? 99 00:07:52,292 --> 00:07:54,500 Shall we go and ask him? - Let's go. 100 00:07:55,417 --> 00:07:59,375 Werner Boote. Good evening. May I introduce Kathrin Hartmann? 101 00:07:59,542 --> 00:08:01,000 Good evening. - How do you do. 102 00:08:01,334 --> 00:08:03,709 Would you like to join us? - Yes, certainly. 103 00:08:03,875 --> 00:08:08,709 That's great. Please, take a seat between us. 104 00:08:09,042 --> 00:08:13,125 So, while we've got you here: Do you live an eco-friendly lifestyle? 105 00:08:13,292 --> 00:08:18,459 Or do you not really care? - No, I do care. I take special care... 106 00:08:19,125 --> 00:08:24,042 wherever it's possible, and where I've become aware of it. 107 00:08:25,584 --> 00:08:29,084 But I think... - It's trendy to say that these days, right? 108 00:08:29,417 --> 00:08:30,875 No, no! 109 00:08:31,042 --> 00:08:34,334 I try to take great care about what I buy. 110 00:08:34,667 --> 00:08:39,000 Do you also have a professional interest in the SEA Awards 111 00:08:39,167 --> 00:08:41,084 which are all about sustainability? 112 00:08:41,250 --> 00:08:46,209 Sure, sustainability is also a big issue for our company. 113 00:08:46,542 --> 00:08:50,209 We are a large energy supplier in the US and in England. 114 00:08:50,375 --> 00:08:55,125 We have also invested heavily 115 00:08:55,292 --> 00:08:58,042 in the renewable energy sector. 116 00:08:58,375 --> 00:09:03,709 And what about your investment in Phillips 66, in their gas stations and refineries? 117 00:09:03,875 --> 00:09:09,917 That's supporting a mode of transport that isn't really sustainable. 118 00:09:10,084 --> 00:09:11,292 Well... - Sorry. 119 00:09:11,459 --> 00:09:17,125 Well, I wouldn't claim that it was done with sustainability in mind. 120 00:09:17,459 --> 00:09:23,709 Berkshire is of course a for-profit corporation. 121 00:09:30,375 --> 00:09:34,500 All corporations are for-profit companies. 122 00:09:34,667 --> 00:09:38,084 Maximizing profits is their highest priority. 123 00:09:39,125 --> 00:09:41,334 And their executive boards 124 00:09:41,500 --> 00:09:45,292 are even required to make as much profit as possible. 125 00:09:47,334 --> 00:09:52,417 Responsibility for sustainability is passed on to us, the consumers. 126 00:10:09,667 --> 00:10:11,625 What's taking you so long? 127 00:10:12,625 --> 00:10:15,167 I consider myself an average consumer 128 00:10:15,334 --> 00:10:18,959 and prefer products with a sustainability label. 129 00:10:19,542 --> 00:10:21,375 But I often catch myself 130 00:10:21,542 --> 00:10:25,542 just grabbing whatever, out of convenience or lack of time. 131 00:10:26,292 --> 00:10:30,750 You're driving me nuts, constantly checking the product details. 132 00:10:31,375 --> 00:10:34,459 What's all that stuff in your trolley, Werner? 133 00:10:36,917 --> 00:10:39,292 Pasta. Do you like pasta? 134 00:10:39,459 --> 00:10:43,084 No. I'm vegetarian. - Then I'll take something else. 135 00:10:44,334 --> 00:10:46,125 Vegetarian... 136 00:10:48,459 --> 00:10:50,000 Penne. 137 00:10:50,542 --> 00:10:52,250 With bacon. 138 00:10:53,292 --> 00:10:56,750 I don't want any of this stuff. It's full of rainforest. 139 00:10:56,917 --> 00:11:00,459 What's that supposed to mean? - It all contains palm oil. 140 00:11:00,625 --> 00:11:03,500 Palm oil? - Yes, palm oil. Let's see. 141 00:11:03,667 --> 00:11:05,709 But palm oil is nice. - Palm oil... 142 00:11:05,875 --> 00:11:09,792 Palm trees, sun, beach... - Palm trees are beautiful in the jungle. 143 00:11:10,125 --> 00:11:14,500 But they cut down the jungle to grow vast monocultures of oil palms. 144 00:11:14,875 --> 00:11:19,625 Here. Unilever is the single largest user of palm oil in the world. 145 00:11:19,792 --> 00:11:22,709 "Sustainably grown tomatoes." 146 00:11:22,875 --> 00:11:25,709 Why don't you just buy tomatoes and make some soup? 147 00:11:25,875 --> 00:11:28,000 Because it takes ten times as long. 148 00:11:28,792 --> 00:11:31,917 That's no reason to destroy the rainforest. It's absurd. 149 00:11:32,250 --> 00:11:35,209 I'm not destroying it just by buying that. 150 00:11:35,375 --> 00:11:38,667 Pizza burger! What in the world is a pizza burger? 151 00:11:38,834 --> 00:11:43,959 Pizza burger... There's no plastic. It's packed in cardboard and it's healthy. 152 00:11:44,125 --> 00:11:46,375 Well, healthy... - Healthy! 153 00:11:47,459 --> 00:11:51,375 It gives you energy... - And contains sugar, and white flour. 154 00:11:51,709 --> 00:11:53,042 I knew it. - Palm fat. 155 00:11:53,209 --> 00:11:56,667 Every second product in the supermarket has palm oil in it. 156 00:11:56,834 --> 00:12:01,792 You can be sure that any processed product that contains fat has palm oil in it. 157 00:12:01,959 --> 00:12:04,500 Because it's the cheapest fat in the world. 158 00:12:04,667 --> 00:12:08,792 Look: "Unilever is committed to the sustainable production of palm oil." 159 00:12:08,959 --> 00:12:11,709 Sustainable palm oil. - Which is what exactly? 160 00:12:12,042 --> 00:12:16,000 It means... - You think they cuddle the rainforest 161 00:12:16,167 --> 00:12:18,000 instead of destroying it? 162 00:12:18,167 --> 00:12:20,125 There is no sustainable palm oil. 163 00:12:20,292 --> 00:12:23,167 Why not? - It always requires deforestation. 164 00:12:23,334 --> 00:12:27,792 Palm trees only grow where rainforest once grew. And all that land... 165 00:12:27,959 --> 00:12:30,792 That's easy to say. How do you know if it's true? 166 00:12:32,417 --> 00:12:36,917 We want to look at various industries in different countries, 167 00:12:37,084 --> 00:12:40,667 so I buy a cheap around-the-world ticket. 168 00:12:40,834 --> 00:12:44,084 Here too, I can prove my ecological awareness 169 00:12:44,250 --> 00:12:47,667 and make a voluntary payment to offset the CO2 emissions. 170 00:12:49,042 --> 00:12:53,625 It's true: such a huge plane produces tons of greenhouse gases. 171 00:12:53,792 --> 00:12:57,209 But 100 euros for the first flight is a bit steep. 172 00:13:06,834 --> 00:13:12,125 They certainly weren't able to offset much on this flight. 173 00:13:34,459 --> 00:13:37,084 No, I don't want to eat that. 174 00:13:39,375 --> 00:13:42,709 Palm oil. Really? You're enjoying this, aren't you? 175 00:13:43,667 --> 00:13:46,792 You navigate, okay? - We're going to Jambi. 176 00:13:46,959 --> 00:13:49,375 To Feri Irawan's office. 177 00:13:49,542 --> 00:13:52,084 You'll like him. He's the hero of Sumatra. 178 00:13:52,250 --> 00:13:54,584 A great fighter against the palm oil industry. 179 00:13:55,625 --> 00:14:00,959 Just imagine: only two weeks ago there was a fire blazing here. 180 00:14:01,125 --> 00:14:03,584 Everything was black with smoke. 181 00:14:03,750 --> 00:14:09,542 120,000 people are being treated here for smoke inhalation. 182 00:14:09,875 --> 00:14:13,625 Children inhaled the smoke and suffocated. 183 00:14:13,792 --> 00:14:16,500 And all that smoke was created 184 00:14:16,834 --> 00:14:18,792 just so you can have your M&Ms. 185 00:14:19,417 --> 00:14:23,334 Don't let Feri see that. He'll get upset and I don't blame him. 186 00:14:24,125 --> 00:14:27,750 Air pollution has reached record levels for the third day in Singapore 187 00:14:27,917 --> 00:14:30,667 with the city-state blanketed in heavy smog 188 00:14:30,834 --> 00:14:34,084 caused by illegal forest fires in nearby Indonesia. 189 00:14:34,417 --> 00:14:38,042 By zooming in, the authorities can actually see the fires. 190 00:14:38,209 --> 00:14:40,667 And they've already blamed eight companies 191 00:14:40,834 --> 00:14:43,334 who have been clearing forests to make ways for plantations. 192 00:15:23,542 --> 00:15:26,459 So cool! Look at the trees in a perfect line. 193 00:15:26,792 --> 00:15:29,125 You see... - Because it's a monoculture. 194 00:15:29,459 --> 00:15:31,459 Look in there and you'll see nothing. 195 00:15:31,625 --> 00:15:35,500 What do you mean? - No animals or any other plants. 196 00:15:35,667 --> 00:15:41,584 They kill the undergrowth with poison to make it easier to harvest the fruit. 197 00:15:41,750 --> 00:15:44,709 Does this look like nature to you? 198 00:15:44,875 --> 00:15:48,209 Yes. Green, healthy, natural. - Healthy? 199 00:15:48,542 --> 00:15:52,167 Yes, it's green. - Sure, but what does it mean? 200 00:15:52,334 --> 00:15:54,375 Green is just a colour. 201 00:16:11,667 --> 00:16:13,125 It's in there. 202 00:16:14,125 --> 00:16:16,000 Werner, nice meeting you. Feri. 203 00:16:16,167 --> 00:16:19,375 How are you? - Hi. Kathrin. Nice to meet you. 204 00:16:19,709 --> 00:16:23,834 So I heard, you're the fighter against the palm oil industry. 205 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:25,667 Is that right? - Yes. 206 00:16:26,250 --> 00:16:30,917 So the big palm oil industry will not be very happy about Feri, hm? 207 00:16:31,084 --> 00:16:34,250 That's true. They certainly don't like me. 208 00:16:34,417 --> 00:16:37,125 They'd kill me if they could. 209 00:16:38,125 --> 00:16:40,125 Let's be honest. 210 00:16:41,375 --> 00:16:43,292 I give you two pills. 211 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,125 Are you taking one? I'll take the other one. 212 00:16:46,459 --> 00:16:49,875 There's palm oil in it. - Werner, what are you doing? 213 00:16:50,042 --> 00:16:53,459 That is made with the blood of Indonesians. 214 00:16:54,459 --> 00:16:57,667 It disgusts me! - You see? 215 00:16:57,834 --> 00:17:00,834 In Indonesia, only a very few people 216 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,750 profit from the palm oil industry. 217 00:17:04,917 --> 00:17:09,542 Major corporations and people from abroad profit from it. 218 00:17:09,875 --> 00:17:12,334 For example, through biofuels. 219 00:17:12,667 --> 00:17:16,584 It's very dangerous when corporations 220 00:17:16,750 --> 00:17:19,542 put pressure on governments worldwide. 221 00:17:19,709 --> 00:17:25,084 This leads to the destruction of the forest in the developing world, like in Indonesia. 222 00:17:25,417 --> 00:17:28,667 So palm oil is used for stuff no one really needs. 223 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:30,709 That's bullshit. 224 00:17:31,042 --> 00:17:33,375 You, the rich, can afford anything! 225 00:17:33,709 --> 00:17:38,750 No one has a right to coloured candy that doesn't nourish anyone. 226 00:17:38,917 --> 00:17:43,750 People die for it, their land is stolen, forests are burned down. 227 00:17:44,084 --> 00:17:47,750 They have nothing to eat. It's a myth that they get rich from this. 228 00:17:48,084 --> 00:17:51,042 Do you really think anyone asks them: 229 00:17:51,209 --> 00:17:54,167 "Can we please buy your land to grow palm trees?" 230 00:17:54,500 --> 00:17:57,500 In my opinion, the palm oil industry 231 00:17:57,667 --> 00:18:01,125 is a type of neo-colonialism, 232 00:18:02,084 --> 00:18:07,292 introducing forced labour and cheap labour to Indonesia. 233 00:18:08,334 --> 00:18:14,459 Here in Indonesia, the workers are cheap, so the profits are enormous. 234 00:18:14,625 --> 00:18:18,417 But on the other hand, I always hear that 235 00:18:18,792 --> 00:18:21,209 everything is sustainable 236 00:18:21,375 --> 00:18:25,667 and the industry is green and paying attention. 237 00:18:25,834 --> 00:18:30,917 After investigating the operations of several palm oil companies, 238 00:18:31,250 --> 00:18:35,542 including Sinar Mas, Wilmar and others, 239 00:18:35,875 --> 00:18:39,084 I can confirm that none of them produce sustainably. 240 00:18:39,875 --> 00:18:43,792 Their actions have a major negative impact: 241 00:18:44,125 --> 00:18:47,000 human rights violations, 242 00:18:47,167 --> 00:18:50,500 violence against farmers and communities, 243 00:18:50,667 --> 00:18:53,917 displacement, ecocide and poverty. 244 00:18:54,250 --> 00:18:57,917 And what happened to the Round Table on Sustainable Palm Oil the last two weeks? 245 00:18:58,084 --> 00:18:59,500 What's that? 246 00:18:59,667 --> 00:19:04,334 The roundtable issues a certificate for sustainable palm oil. 247 00:19:04,500 --> 00:19:08,042 It's a little palm symbol that's stuck on the packaging. 248 00:19:08,209 --> 00:19:11,167 It's awarded by the Roundtable on Sustainable Palm Oil, 249 00:19:11,334 --> 00:19:14,209 which was founded by the WWF and the palm oil industry. 250 00:19:14,542 --> 00:19:16,625 The RSPO exists only 251 00:19:16,792 --> 00:19:20,167 to make consumers in Europe believe 252 00:19:20,334 --> 00:19:23,292 that everything here is legal. 253 00:19:23,792 --> 00:19:28,875 The forest fires were never discussed, even though RSPO-certified Sinar Mas 254 00:19:29,042 --> 00:19:31,584 burns forests to create new oil plantations. 255 00:19:32,542 --> 00:19:37,000 Like two other companies, Ema and Jawi. They do exactly the same. 256 00:19:41,834 --> 00:19:44,500 In a year with so many rainforest fires, 257 00:19:44,834 --> 00:19:48,042 we want to hear what the industry has to say. 258 00:19:48,209 --> 00:19:51,834 So we fly to the IPOC conference in Bali. 259 00:19:53,542 --> 00:19:57,250 This is where the biggest palm oil producers in the world meet. 260 00:20:05,042 --> 00:20:08,000 Feri won't be joining us. 261 00:20:08,167 --> 00:20:12,084 If he did, we probably wouldn't be allowed in. 262 00:20:34,834 --> 00:20:38,792 Hi. Are those the fruits from the palm tree? - Yes. 263 00:20:38,959 --> 00:20:41,500 Can I eat it? - You can. 264 00:20:41,834 --> 00:20:43,292 You want to try? 265 00:20:45,209 --> 00:20:46,875 It has less fibre. 266 00:20:47,042 --> 00:20:48,917 Now I'm well oiled. - Yeah, very good. 267 00:20:56,584 --> 00:21:01,417 Indonesia's top politicians are gathered in the Hall of Ceremonies. 268 00:21:01,584 --> 00:21:07,042 This is no surprise, as many of them are also owners of palm oil plantations. 269 00:21:11,209 --> 00:21:12,584 It's the minister. 270 00:21:13,250 --> 00:21:15,459 Excuse me. Thank you. 271 00:21:15,834 --> 00:21:20,792 Today, Indonesia is doing a great deal to improve its future. 272 00:21:21,125 --> 00:21:24,459 The palm oil industry is contributing a lot. 273 00:21:24,625 --> 00:21:27,292 20 billion dollars! That's not small money. 274 00:21:27,459 --> 00:21:29,084 It's big, huge money! 275 00:21:29,417 --> 00:21:30,959 Indonesia must unite. 276 00:21:31,125 --> 00:21:34,250 The NGOs want to impose their rules on us. 277 00:21:34,750 --> 00:21:37,084 NGOs are concerned about the chimpanzees. 278 00:21:37,250 --> 00:21:41,792 What about us monkeys with our black hair? 279 00:21:44,875 --> 00:21:48,209 To them, this country is full of monkeys. 280 00:21:49,459 --> 00:21:51,584 We have 20 million workers 281 00:21:51,750 --> 00:21:55,167 and 2 or 30 monkeys that make a lot of noise. 282 00:21:55,500 --> 00:21:58,917 Not that we don't care, but our priority 283 00:21:59,250 --> 00:22:02,209 is the prosperity of the people of Indonesia. 284 00:22:09,584 --> 00:22:12,167 There's a lot of media here. - Yes. 285 00:22:13,125 --> 00:22:16,834 Do you really think they're critical journalists? 286 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:18,834 Yes. - Oh, come on. 287 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,584 We were told to hold back on critical questions, 288 00:22:22,750 --> 00:22:25,084 because they aren't welcome. 289 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,375 They wouldn't have let us in otherwise. 290 00:22:29,167 --> 00:22:31,709 Your organisation is financed by the government. 291 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,042 Is that right? - No. 292 00:22:33,209 --> 00:22:36,625 We are completely financed by the industry. - By the industry? 293 00:22:36,959 --> 00:22:40,625 "European Palm Oil Alliance". This is where you work? 294 00:22:40,959 --> 00:22:45,250 What we're doing in the European Palm Oil Alliance, 295 00:22:45,417 --> 00:22:48,875 especially in Europe, is to explain why we use palm oil. 296 00:22:49,209 --> 00:22:53,584 And of course, there's a lot of information in the media, 297 00:22:53,917 --> 00:22:56,917 about the negative image of palm oil. 298 00:22:57,250 --> 00:23:03,084 But companies who are certified by the Round Table on Sustainable Palm Oil, 299 00:23:05,667 --> 00:23:08,500 these companies are committed that they do not slash and burn. 300 00:23:08,834 --> 00:23:13,667 But that's all voluntary, and there are a lot of studies where NGOs found out 301 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:18,209 about a lot of companies that are RSPO members, 302 00:23:18,375 --> 00:23:21,459 and have concessions in all the regions where the fire was breaking out. 303 00:23:21,625 --> 00:23:26,917 So, I don't think this is a coincidence. - No, I think it's very clear... 304 00:23:27,084 --> 00:23:32,167 Is it a coincidence? - No, I think it's not... It isn't... 305 00:23:32,334 --> 00:23:35,834 It's the El Niño-effect. It's terrible. 306 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,959 They need to fight it. 307 00:23:38,125 --> 00:23:41,542 But it's not an issue that only the palm oil industry is to blame. 308 00:23:41,875 --> 00:23:44,792 But the fire was not only spreading because of El Niño, 309 00:23:44,959 --> 00:23:49,042 but because of all the degraded land as well. Because of all the cut-down trees, 310 00:23:49,209 --> 00:23:51,875 and all the very dry plantations. 311 00:23:52,042 --> 00:23:56,084 Because palm oil is sucking water, it's drying out the land. 312 00:23:56,250 --> 00:24:00,084 Sustainability is not a fixed criterion now. 313 00:24:00,250 --> 00:24:05,167 It's a continuous process of continuous improvement. 314 00:24:05,500 --> 00:24:10,167 These are only promises. I mean, there is no proof yet for sustainable palm oil. 315 00:24:10,334 --> 00:24:12,834 Is that right? - Nobody could explain to me yet what... 316 00:24:13,167 --> 00:24:15,500 That's true. Can you explain it to us? 317 00:24:15,834 --> 00:24:18,125 Okay. Let me explain. - Yes, please. 318 00:24:19,334 --> 00:24:21,542 In the RSPO, in the Round Table, 319 00:24:22,375 --> 00:24:26,084 worldwide NGOs and the industry sit together 320 00:24:26,417 --> 00:24:29,584 to define what is the criteria for sustainable palm oil. 321 00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:33,292 That's too complicated for me. Explain it in normal words. 322 00:24:33,625 --> 00:24:35,375 What is sustainable palm oil? 323 00:24:35,709 --> 00:24:41,042 Sustainable palm oil is palm oil produced with respect to nature. 324 00:24:41,375 --> 00:24:44,542 Not burning the rainforest? - No slash-and-burn. 325 00:24:44,875 --> 00:24:46,459 No... No... 326 00:24:46,792 --> 00:24:48,959 No... Fair to the people. 327 00:24:49,125 --> 00:24:54,667 So the people you employ, you provide them with housing, with medical care... 328 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,542 And it's also about profit. 329 00:24:57,709 --> 00:25:02,834 It's also that the people who work at the plantations have a decent income. 330 00:25:03,167 --> 00:25:08,459 But let's be honest, the RSPO has existed since 2004, it's more than ten years. 331 00:25:08,792 --> 00:25:12,250 And in all those ten years, the destruction was going on and going on. 332 00:25:12,417 --> 00:25:15,500 I'm happy that you're here now to convince yourselves 333 00:25:15,667 --> 00:25:18,459 that sustainable palm oil is on the way 334 00:25:18,625 --> 00:25:21,625 and more and more in your products in Europe. 335 00:25:22,209 --> 00:25:23,375 Okay. - Yes? 336 00:25:28,334 --> 00:25:33,459 Such vague definitions are typical of greenwashing. 337 00:25:34,792 --> 00:25:38,292 Everything sounds nice, nothing is enforceable 338 00:25:38,459 --> 00:25:41,750 and, as always, large amounts of chemicals are used. 339 00:25:42,334 --> 00:25:45,834 Our product is set up as an RSPO product. 340 00:25:46,459 --> 00:25:48,334 So it's a herbicide? 341 00:25:48,500 --> 00:25:51,709 When a plantation sells a crude palm oil product to Europe 342 00:25:51,875 --> 00:25:55,417 it will indicate which herbicide it has used 343 00:25:55,584 --> 00:25:58,209 Okay, let's say, for example, this one. 344 00:25:58,750 --> 00:26:00,417 It's a green product. 345 00:26:00,750 --> 00:26:02,084 Everything is green. 346 00:26:02,250 --> 00:26:05,042 This is also... - Oh, this is even more green. 347 00:26:05,209 --> 00:26:08,334 I like this one. Here, there's still a little blue, huh? 348 00:26:08,709 --> 00:26:11,834 But here, this bottle... This bottle is almost all green. 349 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,125 You have to look at the pictogram. 350 00:26:15,292 --> 00:26:18,542 The pictogram indicates that it has been certified as a green product. 351 00:26:18,709 --> 00:26:22,709 Okay. But in what way is it green? Is it organic? 352 00:26:23,417 --> 00:26:25,250 That is different from the organic one, 353 00:26:25,417 --> 00:26:29,209 meaning this one is less toxic. Less toxic. 354 00:26:31,084 --> 00:26:35,084 Globally, corporations outdo each other with green slogans. 355 00:26:36,125 --> 00:26:41,000 Entire armies of PR, CSR and marketing agencies are put to work. 356 00:26:41,167 --> 00:26:45,417 The whole industry is trying to flaunt its love of nature. 357 00:26:47,209 --> 00:26:49,209 At the Makin Group stand, 358 00:26:49,375 --> 00:26:52,000 one of the leading groups of palm oil producers, 359 00:26:52,292 --> 00:26:56,417 you can even hear the sounds of wildlife in the jungle. 360 00:26:57,709 --> 00:27:02,959 This conference is as well about the future of palm oil sustainability. 361 00:27:03,125 --> 00:27:05,042 And when I look around here, 362 00:27:05,209 --> 00:27:10,209 with the green stuff and the nice pictures with the birds and orangutans, 363 00:27:10,917 --> 00:27:14,459 I get the impression that this is more like an NGO 364 00:27:14,792 --> 00:27:17,459 than a palm oil company. Can you explain? 365 00:27:17,792 --> 00:27:20,417 Sustainability to us means 366 00:27:20,959 --> 00:27:24,792 that there is a balance of economy, 367 00:27:26,084 --> 00:27:28,084 people and the environment. 368 00:27:28,250 --> 00:27:32,417 Because we can only create, you know, harmony 369 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,792 and prosperity, 370 00:27:35,959 --> 00:27:41,459 if we can at least balance those three elements, you know? 371 00:27:42,209 --> 00:27:48,417 In the past there was a lot of discussion going on because of burning rain forests. 372 00:27:49,167 --> 00:27:53,042 Is Makin Groupe connected 373 00:27:53,375 --> 00:27:56,125 with any burning of rain forest? - No. No. 374 00:27:56,292 --> 00:27:57,625 Never? - Never. 375 00:27:57,792 --> 00:27:59,834 Never? - Never. - How can you be sure? 376 00:28:00,167 --> 00:28:02,959 Because we run the Makin Group, we can be sure. 377 00:28:03,292 --> 00:28:08,459 Maybe you tell me 'harmony' and in fact you have a poker-face. 378 00:28:08,625 --> 00:28:11,334 How do I find out if you're cheating or not? 379 00:28:11,500 --> 00:28:14,000 Well, in order to find out 380 00:28:15,209 --> 00:28:17,667 you have to go to the field. 381 00:28:17,834 --> 00:28:21,750 You have to go to visit the plantation, you have to go to the villages. 382 00:28:22,459 --> 00:28:25,542 You know, that's the only way you can prove it. 383 00:28:26,084 --> 00:28:28,875 We'll go somewhere. Where do you have your plants? 384 00:28:29,459 --> 00:28:32,042 Jambi? - Anywhere. 385 00:28:32,167 --> 00:28:34,375 Let's go to Jambi. - Let's go to Jambi. 386 00:28:34,667 --> 00:28:36,042 Thank you very much. - Thank you. 387 00:28:36,209 --> 00:28:38,292 It was a pleasure talking to you. - Thank you. 388 00:28:38,459 --> 00:28:40,084 Thank you. - Have a good day. 389 00:28:47,375 --> 00:28:50,834 In Jambi, we'll meet up with Feri. 390 00:28:53,667 --> 00:28:55,542 He wants to show us some land, 391 00:28:55,709 --> 00:28:58,917 that was intact rainforest only a few days ago 392 00:28:59,084 --> 00:29:02,667 before a palm oil company illegally burned it down. 393 00:29:25,334 --> 00:29:28,292 The silence here is eerie. 394 00:29:50,709 --> 00:29:53,417 This is all going to be palm oil plantations? 395 00:29:54,667 --> 00:29:55,875 Yes. 396 00:29:59,417 --> 00:30:05,875 This whole thing feels very distant. I see this burnt disaster area. 397 00:30:06,584 --> 00:30:11,500 And on the other hand, I stuff myself with chocolate. 398 00:30:11,667 --> 00:30:14,417 It's hard to see the connection. 399 00:30:14,584 --> 00:30:19,792 I just need to think about how many animals died for this. 400 00:30:20,959 --> 00:30:22,542 To me, it's just... 401 00:30:23,584 --> 00:30:28,209 It's just insane. It's outrageous that someone is doing this. 402 00:30:28,542 --> 00:30:32,500 Of course it's outrageous. That's why we came here. 403 00:30:32,834 --> 00:30:36,417 And this special case here, where we are standing right now, 404 00:30:36,584 --> 00:30:38,125 which company was it? 405 00:30:38,292 --> 00:30:41,125 This was 1,000 hectares of primeval forest, 406 00:30:41,292 --> 00:30:44,084 owned by the PT R.K.K. palm oil company. 407 00:30:44,167 --> 00:30:46,000 About 600 hectares 408 00:30:48,125 --> 00:30:49,750 were incinerated. 409 00:30:51,959 --> 00:30:53,709 And that's just one company. 410 00:30:54,834 --> 00:30:59,750 PT R.K.K. is a subsidiary of the Makin Group. 411 00:30:59,917 --> 00:31:05,000 The Makin Group is therefore indirectly responsible for this disaster. 412 00:31:05,167 --> 00:31:07,500 The Makin Group supplies Wilma, 413 00:31:07,667 --> 00:31:09,459 Wilma supplies Unilever, 414 00:31:09,625 --> 00:31:15,875 and Unilever markets its products under 400 different brand names in supermarkets. 415 00:31:16,667 --> 00:31:18,917 In my country, Unilever ads claim 416 00:31:19,084 --> 00:31:22,875 that they use 100 percent sustainable palm oil. 417 00:31:24,334 --> 00:31:29,250 But when I’m going to the supermarket, I buy something with a certification 418 00:31:29,792 --> 00:31:31,917 that it's sustainable. 419 00:31:32,084 --> 00:31:35,542 So my palm oil doesn’t come from here. 420 00:31:35,709 --> 00:31:39,459 You've fallen for a lie here. 421 00:31:40,500 --> 00:31:42,334 The proof is simple: 422 00:31:42,500 --> 00:31:45,292 all palm nuts from this area 423 00:31:45,459 --> 00:31:48,334 are collected in one factory 424 00:31:48,500 --> 00:31:52,250 and are exported from there. 425 00:31:52,584 --> 00:31:56,250 These large companies supply Unilever. 426 00:31:56,750 --> 00:31:59,500 A lot of it also goes to Scandinavia 427 00:32:00,167 --> 00:32:02,667 to Neste Oil for biofuel. 428 00:32:02,834 --> 00:32:04,917 Even today, they still buy raw palm oil 429 00:32:05,084 --> 00:32:07,709 from Indonesia for admixtures 430 00:32:07,875 --> 00:32:11,584 and wash it clean with RSPO certificates. 431 00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:15,750 But the companies tell me that everything is green, everything is sustainable, 432 00:32:15,917 --> 00:32:18,292 everything is good. 433 00:32:18,750 --> 00:32:20,417 Of course they do. 434 00:32:22,084 --> 00:32:24,042 Of course they do. 435 00:32:24,209 --> 00:32:28,667 The more problematic the product, the more greenwashing it needs. 436 00:32:35,084 --> 00:32:39,375 Worldwide, there are thousands of sustainability and quality seals 437 00:32:39,542 --> 00:32:46,167 that label products with a total turnover of 37 billion euros a year. 438 00:32:46,917 --> 00:32:50,959 But there are no laws to regulate this. 439 00:32:51,125 --> 00:32:53,917 Companies and associations in all branches 440 00:32:54,084 --> 00:32:56,875 invent certification labels as they see fit. 441 00:32:57,417 --> 00:33:01,375 Standards are usually completely opaque. 442 00:33:28,542 --> 00:33:33,667 Why are we in Austin now? And why do you want to meet Raj Patel? 443 00:33:33,834 --> 00:33:36,125 Because he can tell us interesting things. 444 00:33:36,292 --> 00:33:39,125 He's a professor here at the University of Austin. 445 00:33:39,667 --> 00:33:42,709 He knows a lot about value chains, 446 00:33:43,042 --> 00:33:45,500 and how everything is connected, the power of companies... 447 00:33:45,667 --> 00:33:46,959 Hello there. 448 00:33:49,042 --> 00:33:51,834 Hi, I'm Raj. - Nice to meet you. 449 00:33:52,167 --> 00:33:54,292 You speak German? - I understand it. 450 00:33:54,459 --> 00:33:57,250 But I speak very little. 451 00:33:57,584 --> 00:34:01,334 Okay. Well, have a seat! We've prepared some kind of lunch for you. 452 00:34:01,500 --> 00:34:05,375 Some kind of lunch. This is absolutely fabulous. 453 00:34:06,084 --> 00:34:09,625 You're hungry, I hope? - I wasn't, but now I am. 454 00:34:11,375 --> 00:34:15,292 I have a red wine called "Green Hills". 455 00:34:15,625 --> 00:34:17,959 Okay. - Everything is green these days. 456 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,875 Can I serve you? - Oh, sure. 457 00:34:22,042 --> 00:34:23,709 Milady? - Thanks. 458 00:34:23,875 --> 00:34:26,875 That's so sweet: "Milady". 459 00:34:27,042 --> 00:34:30,125 We're looking more or less for a guideline, 460 00:34:30,292 --> 00:34:33,417 how you can buy stuff 461 00:34:33,750 --> 00:34:38,000 and make it more environmentally friendly and more fair. 462 00:34:38,167 --> 00:34:40,500 But then I look at the labels, 463 00:34:40,667 --> 00:34:42,625 and most of the labels are fake. 464 00:34:43,084 --> 00:34:47,334 They say, "Oh, it's green! It's environmentally friendly!" It's whatever. 465 00:34:47,500 --> 00:34:51,709 And it's a fake label the company itself invented. 466 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:57,375 I'm with you that at some level it's overwhelming. 467 00:34:57,709 --> 00:35:02,542 There's so much noise about what's right and what's good for you. I mean... 468 00:35:02,709 --> 00:35:07,125 Forget even organic and blah blah blah. Just: "Is this okay to eat?" 469 00:35:07,459 --> 00:35:11,375 Who knows where the hell this came from or how it was made? 470 00:35:11,542 --> 00:35:14,084 Or anything about it? But do I know that it’s healthy? 471 00:35:14,417 --> 00:35:17,125 Well, it may have higher levels of vitamin E or D. 472 00:35:17,292 --> 00:35:22,625 But then again, has it transported so long that some of this has decayed or...? 473 00:35:22,792 --> 00:35:27,084 What the hell is going on? Even with just very basic questions, 474 00:35:27,625 --> 00:35:32,625 we are both empowered to make individual consumption decisions 475 00:35:32,792 --> 00:35:35,875 and given so much information that you don't know what the hell is going on. 476 00:35:36,042 --> 00:35:39,667 Make smart decisions, people! Look, here's information! Here's a pamphlet! 477 00:35:39,834 --> 00:35:43,875 And we've even shrunk the information you need down to the size of a postage stamp. 478 00:35:44,042 --> 00:35:48,500 And we'll stick it on, and so it will say: "Fairtrade", "dolphin-friendly", 479 00:35:48,834 --> 00:35:51,542 you know, "locust-compatible". 480 00:35:51,709 --> 00:35:57,667 So you're reading something that looks like a long fucking list of virtue. 481 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,542 What the fuck? This is not fair! And you're right: it's not. 482 00:36:00,709 --> 00:36:03,417 It's not fair to ask everyone to become experts 483 00:36:03,584 --> 00:36:06,167 in nutrition, in thermodynamics, in climate change, 484 00:36:06,500 --> 00:36:10,917 in transportation law, in labour law and in ecology. 485 00:36:11,250 --> 00:36:14,917 Then, when you see this, you know, this package on the shelf 486 00:36:15,084 --> 00:36:18,792 you can interpret it, even if it was telling the truth, which it isn't. 487 00:36:19,125 --> 00:36:23,625 That's bullshit! Because it's reduced down to an individual consumption decision. 488 00:36:23,792 --> 00:36:25,709 And it shouldn't be that. 489 00:36:26,042 --> 00:36:29,459 I mean, it's like Fairtrade coffee. I buy Fairtrade coffee 490 00:36:29,625 --> 00:36:33,792 because the alternative is what? "Bastard coffee". 491 00:36:33,959 --> 00:36:37,375 Coffee that exploits children. You don't want that. 492 00:36:37,709 --> 00:36:41,375 You want non-exploitative things. But why is this an option? 493 00:36:41,917 --> 00:36:44,917 Why is this something that you have to choose to do? 494 00:36:45,250 --> 00:36:47,459 Why do you have to choose not to exploit people? 495 00:36:47,625 --> 00:36:51,167 Why do you have to choose not to kill dolphins? Why do you have to choose to pick all this up? 496 00:36:51,334 --> 00:36:54,084 Why isn't this something that you don’t have to worry about? 497 00:36:54,250 --> 00:36:56,959 Why isn't this something that's just a basic threshold of legislation 498 00:36:57,125 --> 00:37:00,167 so that it's not an individual choice? 499 00:37:00,334 --> 00:37:02,875 But the only way you get there Is by organizing it. 500 00:37:03,042 --> 00:37:06,709 You can't shop for those individual choices to become law. 501 00:37:07,542 --> 00:37:12,000 I grew up with this old environmental movement in Germany 502 00:37:12,167 --> 00:37:15,959 which was the anti nuclear power plant movement. 503 00:37:16,125 --> 00:37:21,709 There was a lot of education going on concerning environmental problems. 504 00:37:22,042 --> 00:37:24,250 But still, people do believe 505 00:37:24,417 --> 00:37:26,709 the only thing you can do is buy the right stuff. 506 00:37:27,209 --> 00:37:29,500 Why are we stuck there? 507 00:37:29,667 --> 00:37:33,292 One of the signs that we're losing in terms of the environmental movement 508 00:37:33,459 --> 00:37:36,167 is when people say: "I'm just one person, what can I do?" 509 00:37:36,334 --> 00:37:38,875 And everyone knows that and everyone feels that. 510 00:37:39,209 --> 00:37:44,584 And that's a sign that someone is feeling so disconnected from their power 511 00:37:44,750 --> 00:37:48,250 that they don't see that they're not just one person. 512 00:37:48,417 --> 00:37:54,584 And that's one of the most pernicious parts of the modern green consumer movement: 513 00:37:55,167 --> 00:37:58,875 Is that it reinforces the idea that you are just one person. 514 00:37:59,209 --> 00:38:01,209 "I'm so sorry. You're just one person. 515 00:38:01,375 --> 00:38:04,250 But, I tell you what, if you buy this you'll feel just a shitload better." 516 00:38:04,584 --> 00:38:05,834 Yeah! 517 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:11,167 So for me as someone who wants to... who definitely needs to buy some stuff, 518 00:38:12,167 --> 00:38:16,250 what would be, for me, the trick to go through all this 519 00:38:16,417 --> 00:38:21,000 and find a way that would be okay? 520 00:38:24,250 --> 00:38:27,250 I'm going to be unkind here and say that what you are saying is: 521 00:38:27,417 --> 00:38:30,500 How do we keep things the way they are, but change everything? 522 00:38:33,750 --> 00:38:38,959 You like going to the store but you want to be sure that when you pick up a pack of Pringles, 523 00:38:39,084 --> 00:38:44,125 it's organic and sustainable Pringles as opposed to, you know... 524 00:38:45,042 --> 00:38:48,375 So what would be the alternative? - Maybe not Pringles. 525 00:38:51,750 --> 00:38:53,959 Look, I'm not saying no treats. 526 00:38:54,125 --> 00:38:57,042 Just not something made by Procter & Gamble. 527 00:38:57,375 --> 00:38:59,500 In order to make Pringles sustainably 528 00:38:59,667 --> 00:39:03,709 the price needs to go up by four or five times, at least, and probably more. 529 00:39:10,625 --> 00:39:15,209 The thought of having to forgo something doesn't appeal to me. 530 00:39:15,875 --> 00:39:17,917 Even as a child I didn't like that. 531 00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:22,250 Everywhere there are products that, 532 00:39:22,417 --> 00:39:26,792 given how they're produced, shouldn't really exist at all. 533 00:39:26,959 --> 00:39:32,417 That's true of all types of products: food, clothing, furniture, household appliances, 534 00:39:32,584 --> 00:39:36,292 electronics for communication and entertainment and so on. 535 00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:39,834 Hi there. - Morning. How are you? 536 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,167 You've got an appointment, right? Come on in. 537 00:39:42,334 --> 00:39:43,917 Good morning. - Morning. 538 00:39:46,542 --> 00:39:49,209 I'm very honoured to meet the King of Junk. 539 00:39:50,792 --> 00:39:53,542 "King of Junk". - Yeah, exactly. 540 00:39:53,709 --> 00:39:59,625 So which junk is nice for you? Because you don't take just every junk, I suppose. 541 00:39:59,792 --> 00:40:00,834 No. 542 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,250 There's junk you like and there's junk you don't like. 543 00:40:03,417 --> 00:40:08,875 Yeah. The new junk is just trash as far as I'm concerned. You know... 544 00:40:09,042 --> 00:40:10,709 New trash? 545 00:40:10,875 --> 00:40:15,334 It's like... They don't really make anything that's worth keeping anymore. 546 00:40:15,500 --> 00:40:17,875 You know, it's all plastic and... 547 00:40:18,042 --> 00:40:20,500 You know, there's nothing... 548 00:40:20,834 --> 00:40:24,959 I mean, you go buy a new fan... It's not going to look like an old fan. 549 00:40:25,125 --> 00:40:27,834 The old fans are all heavy-duty metal, you know. 550 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,334 That old junk is the good stuff. 551 00:40:31,125 --> 00:40:34,209 Isn't it sad that people consume so much stuff 552 00:40:34,709 --> 00:40:39,750 they actually don't need and then throw it away after a very short period of time? 553 00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:46,000 It's sad that some people don't have enough that they don't even have stuff to throw away. 554 00:40:46,167 --> 00:40:50,000 We have so much that we don't really realize what we have 555 00:40:50,167 --> 00:40:51,875 and always want something new. 556 00:41:04,625 --> 00:41:06,625 In the Cathedral of Junk, 557 00:41:06,792 --> 00:41:11,459 I begin to realize that our system is a heap of rubble. 558 00:41:15,209 --> 00:41:17,584 And we are all right in the middle of it. 559 00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:21,875 And by purchasing products, we play our part in the destruction. 560 00:41:24,042 --> 00:41:26,334 Total anarchy. - Yes. 561 00:41:28,125 --> 00:41:32,875 In order to prevent us thinking that such products shouldn't exist 562 00:41:33,042 --> 00:41:35,917 corporations talk about sustainability. 563 00:41:37,292 --> 00:41:39,500 The head of Coca-Cola does it. 564 00:41:41,500 --> 00:41:45,167 Sustainability is absolutely critical 565 00:41:45,334 --> 00:41:48,417 to our business survival and to our growth. 566 00:41:49,042 --> 00:41:51,250 The head of Ikea does it. 567 00:41:51,959 --> 00:41:55,167 Sustainability is a vital part of our strategy. 568 00:41:56,042 --> 00:41:57,500 Everyone does it. 569 00:41:57,834 --> 00:42:01,584 The way how we're using resources in a sustainable manner 570 00:42:01,750 --> 00:42:03,584 becomes increasingly important. 571 00:42:04,125 --> 00:42:09,084 I'm convinced that we can create a more equitable and sustainable world for all of us. 572 00:42:09,417 --> 00:42:12,459 We can create value safely and sustainably. 573 00:42:13,042 --> 00:42:16,584 It's about creating a culture of sustainability. 574 00:42:21,250 --> 00:42:24,417 And our governments just look on. 575 00:42:27,250 --> 00:42:29,584 You know what? You go up here. 576 00:42:30,209 --> 00:42:33,709 And I'll go that way. - Let's see if we meet up there. 577 00:42:45,584 --> 00:42:49,500 Look at your tower of trash! So much trash. 578 00:42:49,834 --> 00:42:53,167 Imagine this was all the trash you produced. 579 00:42:53,334 --> 00:42:57,417 And this tower of trash was produced by me. 580 00:42:57,584 --> 00:43:00,042 I've probably used more stuff than you. 581 00:43:00,375 --> 00:43:04,125 Probably. - Because you're such a goody two shoes. 582 00:43:04,459 --> 00:43:07,667 I think everyone just has to say, "I've got my trash tower 583 00:43:07,834 --> 00:43:10,959 and you've got yours on which you're standing." 584 00:43:11,125 --> 00:43:15,709 Instead of saying, "I'm more ecologically aware than the next person", 585 00:43:15,875 --> 00:43:19,167 we should work together. 586 00:43:21,084 --> 00:43:25,250 And get politicians to rein in industry. - That's exactly what I'm saying. 587 00:43:25,417 --> 00:43:29,000 We think the same thing. - You just feel provoked by me. 588 00:43:29,167 --> 00:43:33,125 Because you feel guilty. - I have a guilty conscience? 589 00:43:33,292 --> 00:43:36,750 Maybe you also feel guilty. - Of course I feel guilty. 590 00:43:36,917 --> 00:43:42,792 I live within this system and this society just like you do. 591 00:43:43,125 --> 00:43:45,667 That's the thing about green lies. 592 00:43:45,834 --> 00:43:51,334 I know that certain things aren't eco-friendly or socially responsible, 593 00:43:51,667 --> 00:43:54,042 but they've been labelled green. 594 00:43:54,375 --> 00:43:58,584 And if I want those things badly enough, I'm willing to believe it. 595 00:43:58,917 --> 00:44:04,042 Sorry, but I just realized that I said "your trash heap". 596 00:44:04,375 --> 00:44:07,875 Exactly. - We always point the finger at others. 597 00:44:08,209 --> 00:44:10,917 That's just it. We make accusations: 598 00:44:11,084 --> 00:44:13,834 "You're doing this wrong, you're doing that wrong." 599 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,792 That way we'll never achieve solidarity. 600 00:44:16,959 --> 00:44:22,125 It's a competition to see who's better, but that's totally counterproductive. 601 00:44:22,459 --> 00:44:25,709 But we also can't say, 602 00:44:25,875 --> 00:44:28,250 "Industry, you are evil. You're bad." 603 00:44:28,417 --> 00:44:30,542 They're also just people stuck in the system. 604 00:44:30,875 --> 00:44:33,625 We need to involve them as well. - No. 605 00:44:33,959 --> 00:44:37,417 That's exactly what companies want us to believe: 606 00:44:37,584 --> 00:44:39,375 that we need to work as partners, 607 00:44:39,542 --> 00:44:42,917 that we need to support the industry to make them better. 608 00:44:43,084 --> 00:44:45,125 And the result? Green lies. 609 00:44:45,459 --> 00:44:47,834 We must stop this vicious circle. 610 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,834 We need to be aware 611 00:44:50,167 --> 00:44:54,750 that companies create harmony to avoid conflict. 612 00:44:55,084 --> 00:44:59,959 But change comes through conflict, because someone will lose privileges. 613 00:45:00,125 --> 00:45:03,250 Someone will have less profit 614 00:45:03,417 --> 00:45:06,459 if things are eco-friendly and socially just. 615 00:45:06,625 --> 00:45:08,834 That must be fought for. 616 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,334 You don't get it by being nice and friendly to companies. 617 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,709 It makes me furious when corporations claim 618 00:45:27,875 --> 00:45:31,084 that they deal responsibly with people and nature 619 00:45:31,250 --> 00:45:33,292 and then we find out the opposite. 620 00:45:37,292 --> 00:45:41,125 Hundreds dead in a textile factory fire, 621 00:45:41,292 --> 00:45:44,417 radioactive contamination after a reactor accident, 622 00:45:44,584 --> 00:45:48,167 pollution after a break in the dam of a mining company, 623 00:45:48,334 --> 00:45:50,750 and there is no end to it. 624 00:45:51,875 --> 00:45:53,209 Hey. - Hello. 625 00:45:53,542 --> 00:45:56,584 What's that? - I've got you a present. 626 00:45:56,750 --> 00:45:59,292 Shellfish? - Yes, sort of. 627 00:45:59,459 --> 00:46:02,042 Pretty close. Tar balls. 628 00:46:02,709 --> 00:46:04,750 They're everywhere back there. 629 00:46:04,917 --> 00:46:07,542 Tar balls from the oil spill? - Exactly. 630 00:46:07,709 --> 00:46:10,084 Deepwater Horizon. - Deepwater Horizon. 631 00:46:10,417 --> 00:46:12,334 They're still lying around? - Everywhere. 632 00:46:12,500 --> 00:46:16,292 I thought BP had cleaned everything up. - Yeah, sure! 633 00:46:16,625 --> 00:46:20,500 BP left three quarters of the oil in the water. 634 00:46:20,667 --> 00:46:23,167 And it keeps washing up here. 635 00:46:23,500 --> 00:46:26,959 You found all that in just a few minutes? - Yeah. 636 00:46:30,042 --> 00:46:32,625 Neat, right? I brought you some gloves. 637 00:46:32,792 --> 00:46:36,125 Why do I need gloves? - Because they're toxic. 638 00:46:36,459 --> 00:46:39,375 The gloves are toxic? - They probably are, too... 639 00:46:39,542 --> 00:46:41,792 They're toxic. - They smell toxic. 640 00:46:41,959 --> 00:46:45,167 But this is even worse. - Let me have a look. 641 00:46:46,250 --> 00:46:48,834 But wash your hands afterwards. - Okay. 642 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,792 BP has such a pretty green logo with a sun. 643 00:46:52,375 --> 00:46:55,875 Everybody's logos are green nowadays. 644 00:46:56,042 --> 00:46:59,125 "Beyond Petroleum" has nothing to do with oil. 645 00:46:59,459 --> 00:47:03,542 Weren't they called "British Petroleum"? - Until 2004. 646 00:47:03,875 --> 00:47:06,542 Then BP came up with a huge campaign, 647 00:47:06,709 --> 00:47:10,959 because they thought all the negative stories and bad news about oil 648 00:47:11,292 --> 00:47:13,375 weren't doing them any good. 649 00:47:13,709 --> 00:47:15,917 So they hired a PR agency 650 00:47:16,625 --> 00:47:20,167 and paid them 200 million US dollars for the campaign. 651 00:47:20,334 --> 00:47:23,709 "Beyond Petroleum", as in: "We don't do oil anymore. 652 00:47:24,042 --> 00:47:27,542 We're doing wind power, and solar energy." 653 00:47:27,709 --> 00:47:29,542 And then this happened... 654 00:47:29,875 --> 00:47:32,917 Yeah. And six years later, it became clear 655 00:47:33,250 --> 00:47:37,000 that BP's dangerous core business is oil after all 656 00:47:37,167 --> 00:47:39,042 and that they can't handle it. 657 00:48:00,250 --> 00:48:03,000 I still remember vividly how stunned I was 658 00:48:03,167 --> 00:48:08,125 when on April 20, 2010 the drilling rig "Deepwater Horizon" 659 00:48:08,292 --> 00:48:11,959 exploded in the Gulf of Mexico and eleven people died. 660 00:48:12,542 --> 00:48:16,417 Every day, more than 15 million liters of crude oil gushed out. 661 00:48:16,584 --> 00:48:18,709 For 87 days straight. 662 00:48:19,667 --> 00:48:23,750 The oil slick was equal in size to the US state of Virginia. 663 00:48:26,334 --> 00:48:30,709 In cases like this, the multinationals shift the blame onto their subcontractors 664 00:48:31,042 --> 00:48:32,959 and subsidiaries. 665 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:38,875 BP's CEO at the time, Tony Hayward, had this reaction: 666 00:48:39,417 --> 00:48:41,167 This wasn't our accident. 667 00:48:41,334 --> 00:48:45,834 This was a drilling rig operated by another company. 668 00:48:46,417 --> 00:48:49,667 It was their people, their systems, their processes. 669 00:48:49,834 --> 00:48:54,709 We are responsible not for the accident, but we are responsible for the oil 670 00:48:54,875 --> 00:48:57,959 and for dealing with it and cleaning the situation up. 671 00:49:02,042 --> 00:49:05,917 BP was convicted by a US court. 672 00:49:06,084 --> 00:49:08,959 But the financial penalties were moderate, 673 00:49:09,125 --> 00:49:13,459 because BP sprayed a chemical on the oil, 674 00:49:13,625 --> 00:49:16,625 thus making most of it disappear below the surface. 675 00:49:17,292 --> 00:49:20,792 I decided at that point to never fuel my car at BP again. 676 00:49:20,959 --> 00:49:24,042 I'm Werner. Nice meeting you. We're looking for Dean. 677 00:49:24,375 --> 00:49:26,417 Dean's office is right there. - Over there? 678 00:49:43,959 --> 00:49:45,750 How are y'all doing? 679 00:49:45,917 --> 00:49:50,500 The big shrimp king of Louisiana. Nice meeting you. This is Kathrin. I'm Werner. 680 00:49:50,667 --> 00:49:51,750 Nice to meet you. 681 00:49:51,917 --> 00:49:53,834 You don't seem very busy. 682 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:55,459 No, not anymore. - What's up? 683 00:49:55,792 --> 00:49:58,209 Well, BP did kill all our seafood. 684 00:49:58,375 --> 00:50:01,417 Is that so? How did it affect your business? 685 00:50:01,750 --> 00:50:07,459 This was always the best place for shrimp and fish before BP. 686 00:50:07,625 --> 00:50:12,125 And they just came and destroyed it. They knocked down 30 years of work. 687 00:50:12,459 --> 00:50:15,000 Would it have been possible to get the oil out at all? 688 00:50:15,167 --> 00:50:17,292 We told them we know how to pick up the oil. 689 00:50:17,625 --> 00:50:20,875 We had all the boats ready to pick up the oil. They didn't want to pick it up. 690 00:50:21,042 --> 00:50:23,084 If you picked up oil, they'd fire you. 691 00:50:23,250 --> 00:50:26,167 Because it was too expensive, or...? - Because It was too expensive. 692 00:50:26,334 --> 00:50:29,834 I mean they'd have had to put it in a landfill somewhere. 693 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:34,667 And then it's toxic and nobody wants a toxic landfill next to your house, I mean... 694 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,750 They don't care about the environment. All they care about is money. Money, money... 695 00:50:38,917 --> 00:50:40,709 They knew that well was messed up. 696 00:50:40,875 --> 00:50:44,500 They could've slowed down. They could've fixed the stuff that was broken. 697 00:50:44,667 --> 00:50:49,292 They were greedy. They just wanted to make money. They didn't care what they'd done. 698 00:50:49,625 --> 00:50:54,667 I knew a lot of people who worked out there. They called it "the well from hell". 699 00:50:54,834 --> 00:50:58,709 They knew they had trouble. The workers knew that it was wrong. 700 00:50:58,875 --> 00:51:01,125 And what did BP do? 701 00:51:01,292 --> 00:51:04,917 They turned off all the safety switches so they could drill faster, 702 00:51:05,625 --> 00:51:10,250 so they could hurry up and get out of there because the lease was running out. 703 00:51:10,417 --> 00:51:12,000 It was all about money. 704 00:51:12,334 --> 00:51:15,375 You must be furious. - I'm not happy. I mean, uh... 705 00:51:15,709 --> 00:51:19,000 They should have left it alone, but they didn't want to do that. 706 00:51:19,167 --> 00:51:22,209 They came and put chemicals on top of the oil. 707 00:51:22,375 --> 00:51:23,834 That's what we're mad about. 708 00:51:24,167 --> 00:51:27,375 You would think that this chemical, Corexit, made it worse? 709 00:51:27,542 --> 00:51:32,209 Yeah. They treated us like insects. They come at night with airplanes. 710 00:51:32,375 --> 00:51:34,959 There's a lot of people who got real sick down here. 711 00:51:35,125 --> 00:51:37,834 A lot of people left this island because they couldn't breathe. 712 00:51:38,167 --> 00:51:43,584 We'd cough every night. I mean... Every night we worry if we're going to die. 713 00:51:43,750 --> 00:51:46,292 We don't know what they did to us. They don’t know what they did. 714 00:51:46,750 --> 00:51:51,125 If they had never sprayed no chemicals, I don't think we would never have problems. 715 00:51:51,459 --> 00:51:55,375 I mean, life begins on the bottom of the sea. 716 00:51:55,834 --> 00:52:00,000 If you really wanted to pick up the oil, oil will float on top of water. 717 00:52:00,167 --> 00:52:04,375 If you really wanted to do the right thing, why would you spray and sink it to the bottom? 718 00:52:04,542 --> 00:52:08,667 I'm sure it would be a hell of a lot easier to pick it up if it's on top of the water 719 00:52:08,834 --> 00:52:11,167 than if it is on the bottom. 720 00:52:13,459 --> 00:52:15,292 I'll show you something. 721 00:52:16,459 --> 00:52:20,417 This is the first boat that we're unloading today. 722 00:52:22,709 --> 00:52:25,625 We used to get 40 to 50 boats a day. 723 00:52:25,792 --> 00:52:28,292 That's the first one all day long. 724 00:52:31,334 --> 00:52:33,584 I'll show you the shrimp. 725 00:52:36,584 --> 00:52:39,042 What are you looking for? - Looking for oil. 726 00:52:39,875 --> 00:52:41,500 Oil? - Yes. 727 00:52:42,250 --> 00:52:43,834 See that dark spot? 728 00:52:44,167 --> 00:52:46,792 This black stuff here. - Yeah. 729 00:52:47,500 --> 00:52:49,625 But why is this exactly here? 730 00:52:49,959 --> 00:52:55,084 They sit at the bottom. And when they breathe, that all goes in their lungs right there. 731 00:52:55,417 --> 00:52:57,667 That was never like that before BP. 732 00:52:57,834 --> 00:53:00,209 Did you see that? - I saw it. 733 00:53:00,667 --> 00:53:05,417 If the oil companies wouldn't mess it up, it would still be clean, but it's not clean. 734 00:53:08,250 --> 00:53:12,334 After the catastrophe, the CEO of BP resigned 735 00:53:12,500 --> 00:53:14,709 with a severance package worth millions. 736 00:53:14,875 --> 00:53:19,167 And under the new CEO, business was back to normal. 737 00:53:20,459 --> 00:53:24,667 BP's response efforts in the Gulf of Mexico were unprecedented in scale. 738 00:53:25,292 --> 00:53:28,167 We took responsibility for the cleanup immediately. 739 00:53:30,375 --> 00:53:34,042 In the same video, he also talks about the future. 740 00:53:34,375 --> 00:53:38,709 To me, it sounds like a threat that the destruction will continue. 741 00:53:39,584 --> 00:53:42,500 BP can help by applying its distinctive skills, 742 00:53:42,667 --> 00:53:45,875 capabilities and technologies in demanding areas. 743 00:53:46,834 --> 00:53:52,417 This is why we intend to move further into harsh, remote and complex geographies. 744 00:53:53,375 --> 00:53:58,917 Three years before our visit, BP declared the cleanup to be finished. 745 00:53:59,792 --> 00:54:02,334 And if oil can still be found, 746 00:54:02,500 --> 00:54:05,709 it must belong to someone else, they say. 747 00:54:07,917 --> 00:54:10,084 Nice to meet you, sir. - Nice meeting you. 748 00:54:10,250 --> 00:54:11,959 Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you. 749 00:54:12,125 --> 00:54:14,292 Kathrin told me that we're going to the beach. 750 00:54:14,459 --> 00:54:16,417 Yes, sir. We'll go down here and see 751 00:54:16,875 --> 00:54:19,959 what nature has deposited on the beach for us to look at today. 752 00:54:20,125 --> 00:54:24,209 We'll look at under the naked eye and then we'll turn a UV light onto it 753 00:54:24,375 --> 00:54:29,042 to see what fluorescent spectrums, will come off of it, what colours. 754 00:54:30,459 --> 00:54:31,959 All right. - What's that? 755 00:54:32,125 --> 00:54:35,625 There used to be some stairs right here that went down. 756 00:54:35,792 --> 00:54:37,917 They took away the stairs? - Yeah. 757 00:54:38,500 --> 00:54:42,042 I don't know why they would close it off. It's not illegal for us to be on it. 758 00:54:42,875 --> 00:54:45,834 We'll just access it from that side. - Okay. 759 00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,709 So, we'll walk back this way. Sorry about that. 760 00:54:49,875 --> 00:54:54,334 We found a lot of tar balls yesterday. I touched them with gloves. 761 00:54:54,500 --> 00:54:57,375 I would suggest using gloves because we found 762 00:54:57,709 --> 00:55:02,375 that tar balls themselves are many times more dangerous than the dispersed oil by itself. 763 00:55:02,709 --> 00:55:06,750 Because it's full of Vibrio vulnificus bacteria: a flesh-eating bacteria. 764 00:55:07,084 --> 00:55:10,250 In other words, the tar balls, the hydro-carbons, 765 00:55:10,417 --> 00:55:13,292 select for Vibrio vulnificus. 766 00:55:14,125 --> 00:55:17,417 Which means they kill most of the others, but the Vibrio still lives. 767 00:55:17,584 --> 00:55:21,417 And we have problems with Vibrio in summer because once it gets in the high numbers 768 00:55:21,584 --> 00:55:25,917 you can get infected with it. You can have an arm amputated, 769 00:55:26,084 --> 00:55:27,959 or you can die from the infection. 770 00:55:28,125 --> 00:55:30,250 See? That's what I told you. 771 00:55:30,417 --> 00:55:32,292 And that's what we're seeing down here. 772 00:55:32,834 --> 00:55:36,250 There's scientific technical documents 773 00:55:36,417 --> 00:55:39,584 published in peer-reviewed journals that are proving this. 774 00:55:43,375 --> 00:55:46,000 And what is BP doing? - They're trying to control the science. 775 00:55:46,167 --> 00:55:50,250 Control the science, to say it's all good? - That's right. 776 00:55:50,417 --> 00:55:53,000 It's all good. That's right. They say... 777 00:55:53,167 --> 00:55:57,209 What they try to do is to say: "There's no evidence of..." 778 00:55:57,375 --> 00:56:00,250 Well, of course there's no evidence if you're not looking for it 779 00:56:00,417 --> 00:56:02,750 or if you're looking for it in the wrong places. 780 00:56:03,084 --> 00:56:07,125 It's like having somebody with a pet in the house that's made an accident on the floor 781 00:56:07,292 --> 00:56:10,792 and they just didn’t want to pick it up, they walked around like they never saw it. 782 00:56:10,959 --> 00:56:13,750 I'm like: "It's right there. Don't you see it?" No, they don't see it. 783 00:56:13,917 --> 00:56:17,334 All these tar balls are right here. They could easily go out and collect it. 784 00:56:18,792 --> 00:56:20,417 What is that? Oh, yeah. 785 00:56:22,209 --> 00:56:23,875 Is that a tar ball? - Look, what... 786 00:56:24,042 --> 00:56:27,209 Look, you almost stepped on another one. And they're everywhere. 787 00:56:27,542 --> 00:56:28,709 Oh my God. Yes. 788 00:56:28,875 --> 00:56:32,084 I heard from BP that they cleaned up everything. 789 00:56:32,250 --> 00:56:35,000 They finished paying, they finished cleaning up. 790 00:56:35,334 --> 00:56:41,417 They claim that there's no oil here because nobody has been able to fingerprint their oil. 791 00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:45,500 So I'm going out here looking for evidence that we can say: 792 00:56:45,667 --> 00:56:49,709 "This may be BP oil." What makes BP oil different? 793 00:56:49,875 --> 00:56:54,334 Well, they hit it with a dispersant. Inside the dispersant, there are glycols. 794 00:56:54,500 --> 00:56:58,084 It's the only introduction of the glycol that we know about. 795 00:56:58,250 --> 00:57:03,375 We know that if we find the glycols, that's typically the dispersed oil. 796 00:57:03,542 --> 00:57:06,167 BP is the only one we know that used the dispersants. 797 00:57:06,334 --> 00:57:08,875 Especially on a scale of a 100 million gallons. 798 00:57:09,042 --> 00:57:13,750 So, the Corexit stuff. - Corexit. That's what we have to look for. 799 00:57:13,917 --> 00:57:18,459 One way to find out: put the UV light on it and see if they fluoresce. 800 00:57:18,792 --> 00:57:20,167 We'll kill those lights. 801 00:57:21,959 --> 00:57:24,292 And there's the oranges that we're looking for. 802 00:57:24,459 --> 00:57:25,792 There? - Yep. 803 00:57:25,959 --> 00:57:27,667 Yeah, that's bright orange. 804 00:57:27,834 --> 00:57:30,584 And then let's look at the inside of these bricks. 805 00:57:30,750 --> 00:57:32,792 That's the color that we're looking for. - Yes. 806 00:57:32,959 --> 00:57:36,834 This, we believe, is the dispersed oil. So this is why I believe it’s BP. 807 00:57:37,125 --> 00:57:41,042 You can even see the bluish green ring right there. 808 00:57:41,209 --> 00:57:44,542 Those are the fresher hydrocarbons that are still left. 809 00:57:44,709 --> 00:57:48,250 That's definitely what I would claim to be BP oil. 810 00:57:50,875 --> 00:57:52,459 Oh, wait! Don't walk! Don't walk right here! 811 00:57:52,625 --> 00:57:54,584 What's up here? - Footprints. 812 00:57:54,750 --> 00:57:56,625 What? - This is a child's footprint. 813 00:57:56,792 --> 00:57:59,000 You see, where they’re walking back and forth? 814 00:57:59,334 --> 00:58:00,750 These are the things that I've been pointing out: 815 00:58:00,917 --> 00:58:05,584 You've got little kids' footprints walking by this stuff, through some of these puddles. 816 00:58:05,750 --> 00:58:08,667 Oh my God. - So these are some of the things we're seeing: 817 00:58:08,834 --> 00:58:14,750 foam, pools of water that are fluorescing orange in the color of the tar balls, 818 00:58:15,334 --> 00:58:18,292 and children's footprints right in the middle of them. 819 00:58:18,459 --> 00:58:20,584 These things make me say: 820 00:58:20,750 --> 00:58:25,000 Somebody's got to stand up. Somebody's got to do something. 821 00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:07,584 Morning. - Morning. 822 00:59:09,500 --> 00:59:13,667 Did you sleep well? - Yes. How about you? 823 00:59:14,375 --> 00:59:18,042 I had lots of voodoo petroleum dreams. 824 00:59:19,250 --> 00:59:22,792 Lots of scientists talking insistently to me. 825 00:59:24,667 --> 00:59:27,000 Oh, that's very kind. Thank you. 826 00:59:27,625 --> 00:59:29,542 I'm so exhausted. 827 00:59:30,917 --> 00:59:32,750 But... Look. 828 00:59:34,292 --> 00:59:35,667 This? 829 00:59:36,667 --> 00:59:38,750 What sort of spaceship is that? 830 00:59:39,084 --> 00:59:41,209 This, my dear, 831 00:59:41,542 --> 00:59:46,375 will help us get around more ecologically. 832 00:59:46,709 --> 00:59:49,542 It'll bring us to the station so we can take a train? 833 00:59:49,709 --> 00:59:51,917 It'll help us use less petroleum. 834 00:59:55,334 --> 01:00:00,292 I've never heard of such a thing. What's eco-friendly about a racing car? 835 01:00:05,167 --> 01:00:07,417 No wonder I have trouble sleeping. 836 01:00:13,584 --> 01:00:16,000 An electric car. What more do you want? 837 01:00:16,875 --> 01:00:19,125 Look how it goes. - For God's sake! 838 01:00:19,292 --> 01:00:22,000 The landscape is just like a car commercial. 839 01:00:23,667 --> 01:00:26,625 It's the most eco-friendly car there is. 840 01:00:26,792 --> 01:00:28,417 Says who? 841 01:00:28,584 --> 01:00:30,500 The company. - Wow. 842 01:00:31,417 --> 01:00:35,584 That's exactly what VW once claimed: that they have eco-friendly cars. 843 01:00:36,500 --> 01:00:38,667 That's so crooked. 844 01:00:38,834 --> 01:00:43,584 Companies pretend to save the world. And Tesla does exactly the same thing. 845 01:00:56,750 --> 01:00:58,750 Hi. It's very important 846 01:00:58,917 --> 01:01:01,667 to accelerate the transition to sustainable transport. 847 01:01:01,834 --> 01:01:03,792 It really, really is... 848 01:01:07,750 --> 01:01:10,917 This is really important for the future of the world. 849 01:01:11,750 --> 01:01:14,917 We have record-high CO2 levels. 850 01:01:15,875 --> 01:01:21,459 We recently passed over 403 parts per million of CO2 in the atmosphere. 851 01:01:21,625 --> 01:01:25,625 You can see the chart and it looks like a vertical line. 852 01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:27,459 And it's still climbing. 853 01:01:27,792 --> 01:01:29,459 So to address this, 854 01:01:29,625 --> 01:01:33,500 what we came up with at Tesla was what we call the 'secret master plan'. 855 01:01:37,959 --> 01:01:41,459 It doesn't lead to a different future. Things stay as they are. 856 01:01:41,625 --> 01:01:45,625 It's still about private transport, the joy of driving, fast driving. 857 01:01:45,792 --> 01:01:47,792 And none of it is sustainable. 858 01:01:48,584 --> 01:01:51,709 In this green disguise, the destruction continues. 859 01:01:51,875 --> 01:01:55,667 We don't recognize that the pattern itself is harmful 860 01:01:55,834 --> 01:01:58,084 and that we have to change it. 861 01:01:58,250 --> 01:02:01,167 We need to invest more in local public transportation. 862 01:02:01,334 --> 01:02:03,292 You're such a killjoy! 863 01:02:03,625 --> 01:02:06,750 You always say, "Everything is bad." 864 01:02:06,917 --> 01:02:09,667 No. Just the same bad things are always bad. 865 01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,209 Please, let me enjoy driving. 866 01:02:13,959 --> 01:02:17,209 Then admit that it's about having fun, not the environment. 867 01:02:17,542 --> 01:02:19,375 It uses no petroleum. - True. 868 01:02:19,542 --> 01:02:24,334 But it takes an incredible amount of energy to build electric cars, 869 01:02:24,500 --> 01:02:30,334 which isn't factored in at all. All they say is: there's no exhaust. 870 01:02:30,667 --> 01:02:32,834 But rare earth is used to manufacture it. 871 01:02:33,167 --> 01:02:36,917 No rare earth in this car. - At Tesla. That's true. 872 01:02:37,084 --> 01:02:39,959 And what do they use instead? Lithium. 873 01:02:40,125 --> 01:02:42,209 Lithium, the new petroleum. 874 01:02:42,375 --> 01:02:44,500 According to Goldman Sachs. 875 01:02:44,667 --> 01:02:47,709 And lithium is mined where? 876 01:02:47,875 --> 01:02:52,292 In ecologically sensitive areas in salt lakes in Argentina, China and Chile. 877 01:02:52,459 --> 01:02:56,084 And its production consumes so much water 878 01:02:56,250 --> 01:02:59,125 that none is left for farmers and indigenous people. 879 01:02:59,292 --> 01:03:03,417 Whenever you persistently do the wrong thing, 880 01:03:03,584 --> 01:03:07,667 but just change the way you do it with other raw materials and technology, 881 01:03:07,834 --> 01:03:10,834 you add to the damage somewhere else. 882 01:03:11,167 --> 01:03:12,709 You just don't see it. 883 01:03:12,875 --> 01:03:15,625 That's why green lies work so well. 884 01:03:16,292 --> 01:03:18,584 This looks like a nature reserve, 885 01:03:18,750 --> 01:03:22,792 but in reality it's all contaminated with petroleum and toxins. 886 01:03:23,125 --> 01:03:27,542 Take this car: you don't see an exhaust emitting dirt, you don't hear any noise. 887 01:03:27,709 --> 01:03:33,542 But you also don't see lithium or coal being mined. 888 01:03:33,709 --> 01:03:36,167 Because it happens far away. - Exactly. 889 01:03:36,334 --> 01:03:41,042 So these steps in the right direction are supposed to keep everyone happy. 890 01:03:41,375 --> 01:03:45,542 To keep us all in the mood to consume and to believe 891 01:03:45,709 --> 01:03:51,167 that some green superman will save us one day with magical technology. 892 01:03:51,500 --> 01:03:53,917 That's the big green lie. 893 01:03:55,250 --> 01:03:59,125 Car advertisements usually show beautiful landscapes. 894 01:03:59,917 --> 01:04:04,500 We're heading to a place where we think the car belongs. 895 01:04:56,250 --> 01:05:00,209 The car is shutting down. Pull over safely. 896 01:05:00,375 --> 01:05:04,334 "Pull over safely." - Great. 897 01:05:04,667 --> 01:05:06,875 I'm not doing anything. It's stopping. 898 01:05:07,042 --> 01:05:08,792 You're joking! 899 01:05:11,042 --> 01:05:12,375 Over. 900 01:05:14,584 --> 01:05:17,209 Garzweiler, of all places. 901 01:05:17,375 --> 01:05:21,584 What a wonderfully romantic place for a power failure. 902 01:05:21,750 --> 01:05:25,334 Yeah, very romantic. You know why it looks like this here? 903 01:05:25,667 --> 01:05:28,875 This is the largest opencast coal mine in Germany. 904 01:05:29,042 --> 01:05:32,459 For electricity. - And why does it look like this? 905 01:05:32,625 --> 01:05:36,459 So you can charge your spaceship using energy from coal. 906 01:05:36,792 --> 01:05:40,417 Yes. - Sometimes I wish I could be like you. 907 01:05:40,584 --> 01:05:45,750 So I could find even the most terrible place really beautiful. 908 01:05:45,917 --> 01:05:50,709 I admire how you can completely block out what's actually happening. 909 01:05:51,042 --> 01:05:52,459 All this bullshit... 910 01:05:52,625 --> 01:05:56,709 If your indignation could generate power, we'd all have light! 911 01:05:56,875 --> 01:05:58,750 That's for sure. 912 01:05:59,417 --> 01:06:03,292 RWE, the electric company this mine belongs to, 913 01:06:03,459 --> 01:06:05,542 has put up a few token wind turbines 914 01:06:05,709 --> 01:06:08,542 to show their interest in renewable energy. 915 01:06:08,875 --> 01:06:13,750 The truth is: their core business is coal and they're not about to change that. 916 01:06:13,917 --> 01:06:16,042 That's why it looks like this here. 917 01:06:16,209 --> 01:06:21,792 Fine coal dust contaminates the area and causes respiratory diseases. 918 01:06:22,125 --> 01:06:25,209 It enters the bloodstream, increases cancer rates, 919 01:06:25,375 --> 01:06:27,292 and causes miscarriages. 920 01:06:27,459 --> 01:06:30,209 The pollution here travels as far as Sweden. 921 01:06:30,375 --> 01:06:35,250 RWE simply said, "We'll get the politicians on our side. 922 01:06:35,584 --> 01:06:38,542 We'll claim that nuclear power is climate-friendly. 923 01:06:38,709 --> 01:06:42,125 We need coal-fired power plants in case there's no wind. 924 01:06:42,459 --> 01:06:44,167 We'll produce sleek ads." 925 01:06:44,500 --> 01:06:47,500 They have a great ad with a giant bouncing around 926 01:06:47,834 --> 01:06:50,375 who spreads happiness and fixes the world. 927 01:06:50,709 --> 01:06:54,209 He lays green turf to cover disasters 928 01:06:54,375 --> 01:06:56,792 and he blows at wind turbines. 929 01:06:56,959 --> 01:06:59,209 For many years, RWE, 930 01:06:59,375 --> 01:07:03,209 lobbied hard to keep coal and nuclear power, 931 01:07:03,542 --> 01:07:07,250 but now even RWE has to admit: 932 01:07:07,584 --> 01:07:11,125 "Shit, we produce the most CO2 in Europe." 933 01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:15,417 RWE is a great example 934 01:07:15,584 --> 01:07:19,334 of how the industry keeps trying to hold onto its core business. 935 01:07:19,500 --> 01:07:23,417 For over ten years, they've seen the renewable energy transition coming. 936 01:07:23,750 --> 01:07:28,750 Big companies are more sluggish than small ones. That won't change. 937 01:07:29,084 --> 01:07:34,334 But it's the workforce and the communities that will pay for it, 938 01:07:34,667 --> 01:07:38,084 while the managers take home their lavish salaries. 939 01:07:42,125 --> 01:07:44,959 What shall we do now? - We'll walk. 940 01:07:46,667 --> 01:07:49,584 Let's go for a little walk. Fresh air is good for you. 941 01:07:49,750 --> 01:07:51,459 Fresh air? - Yeah. 942 01:07:52,125 --> 01:07:54,292 Just a little coal dust. - A little? 943 01:07:54,459 --> 01:07:59,792 We're talking nitrogen oxide, CO2, arsenic, mercury... 944 01:08:06,417 --> 01:08:12,000 Companies are making hefty profits from immense environmental destruction. 945 01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:16,834 Some corporations are richer than entire countries. 946 01:08:19,667 --> 01:08:22,834 Good afternoon. RWE. - Do you have an invitation? 947 01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:24,625 Yes. - Can I see it? 948 01:08:25,667 --> 01:08:30,209 Strict security. - I just need a quick look to verify it. 949 01:08:30,834 --> 01:08:33,917 Okay. And you? - Her name is here as well. 950 01:08:38,792 --> 01:08:40,334 Hello. - A flyer? 951 01:08:40,500 --> 01:08:41,667 Thanks. - What's that? 952 01:08:41,834 --> 01:08:43,709 A Greenpeace flyer. 953 01:08:43,875 --> 01:08:46,959 "Leave RWE"? But I've only just arrived. 954 01:08:47,125 --> 01:08:50,542 Oh, right. Damn. I didn't think about that. 955 01:08:52,417 --> 01:08:54,417 Hello. - Would you like a share? 956 01:08:54,584 --> 01:08:56,834 A share? I've always wanted one. - It's free. 957 01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:59,167 Now we're all in the same boat. 958 01:08:59,500 --> 01:09:04,167 TRANSPARENCY, INNOVATION, SUSTAINABILITY, CHANGE, SOLAR ENERGY, ENTHUSIASM... 959 01:09:04,792 --> 01:09:09,334 From Garzweiler straight to the source: the shareholder meeting of RWE. 960 01:09:09,500 --> 01:09:11,917 Exactly. - That's where the board sits? 961 01:09:12,084 --> 01:09:16,417 The important ones are at the front. Supervisory board, board of directors... 962 01:09:16,584 --> 01:09:18,625 And these are shareholders. - Yes. 963 01:09:18,792 --> 01:09:22,375 Small shareholders at the back and they're the shareholder associations. 964 01:09:22,542 --> 01:09:26,209 And there are the NGOs that got a ticket to attend the meeting. 965 01:09:27,209 --> 01:09:30,750 Hello. Hi, Werner Boote. 966 01:09:31,084 --> 01:09:33,000 Where do you come from? - West Virginia. 967 01:09:33,167 --> 01:09:34,709 West Virginia? - Yes. 968 01:09:34,875 --> 01:09:37,042 So why do you come to this place? 969 01:09:37,834 --> 01:09:43,167 Well, because RWE is part owner of an operation 970 01:09:43,334 --> 01:09:45,542 that's destroying my home. - Look. 971 01:09:45,709 --> 01:09:47,167 It's destroying your home? - Look. 972 01:09:47,334 --> 01:09:51,084 Yes. This is mountaintop removal mining. 973 01:09:52,542 --> 01:09:56,084 This is... I took these photos just last week. 974 01:09:56,667 --> 01:09:58,292 This is what they're doing. 975 01:09:58,459 --> 01:10:02,792 So, RWE owns a significant share of this operation. 976 01:10:03,125 --> 01:10:05,584 There's a lot of pollution, I guess? - There’s a lot of pollution. 977 01:10:05,750 --> 01:10:08,375 This is what it's doing to the water. 978 01:10:09,542 --> 01:10:10,834 Oh my God. - Excuse me? 979 01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:15,584 This is what it's doing to the water that comes from his kitchen sink like that. 980 01:10:15,750 --> 01:10:17,417 From the kitchen sink? - Yes. 981 01:10:17,750 --> 01:10:19,834 You have to question the integrity of a company 982 01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:22,625 that talks about themselves as becoming increasingly green. 983 01:10:22,792 --> 01:10:26,167 And while the rest of the world went to Paris last year and agreed 984 01:10:26,334 --> 01:10:29,375 that climate change is real and we have to do something about it, 985 01:10:29,542 --> 01:10:35,584 here's a company that owns 10% of one of the dirtiest forms of fossil fuels on the planet. 986 01:10:35,750 --> 01:10:38,834 Where is the integrity of this company? 987 01:10:42,667 --> 01:10:44,834 It looks like a parliament. 988 01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:48,000 And here he comes: the great dictator. 989 01:10:48,875 --> 01:10:52,000 Dear shareholders 990 01:10:52,500 --> 01:10:55,459 and members of the RWE Investors' Club, 991 01:10:57,417 --> 01:11:00,959 ladies and gentlemen, RWE is already greener than many people think. 992 01:11:02,917 --> 01:11:07,292 2015 was a year that threatened our survival. 993 01:11:08,125 --> 01:11:11,834 SAVE HAMBACHER FOREST 994 01:11:12,834 --> 01:11:15,209 Look, look! Look over there! 995 01:11:15,959 --> 01:11:18,084 PHASE OUT RWE TO PHASE OUT COAL 996 01:11:18,250 --> 01:11:19,667 We hear you. 997 01:11:34,209 --> 01:11:36,584 I hereby expel you from this auditorium. 998 01:11:36,750 --> 01:11:42,667 And I ask the RWE staff to remove you from the premises. 999 01:11:56,584 --> 01:11:59,542 Please take your camera to the press area. 1000 01:11:59,959 --> 01:12:01,584 You want us to leave? - Right now. 1001 01:12:01,750 --> 01:12:06,000 But I'm invited as a regular spectator. - Go to the press area. 1002 01:12:10,750 --> 01:12:15,125 So, I think those were a few late risers who've just woken up. 1003 01:12:22,875 --> 01:12:26,334 The power of corporations must come to an end. 1004 01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:38,250 But our current system helps 1005 01:12:38,584 --> 01:12:41,209 corporations become more and more powerful. 1006 01:12:48,250 --> 01:12:50,084 What needs to change? 1007 01:12:50,250 --> 01:12:55,209 Kathrin and I want to ask someone who's been studying this question for years. 1008 01:12:55,917 --> 01:12:59,584 He's one of the greatest intellectuals in the world. 1009 01:13:05,084 --> 01:13:09,167 Noam Chomsky is a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology 1010 01:13:09,334 --> 01:13:12,459 and a prominent critic of globalization. 1011 01:13:17,167 --> 01:13:19,500 You must be very busy, I suppose. 1012 01:13:20,209 --> 01:13:21,959 As you can see. 1013 01:13:28,792 --> 01:13:33,500 Greenwashing started sometime in the beginning of the 1970s. 1014 01:13:34,875 --> 01:13:38,750 That's when the beginnings of concern with the environment 1015 01:13:38,917 --> 01:13:42,459 began to be raised among the general population. 1016 01:13:42,625 --> 01:13:45,792 Of course, power systems have to respond in some fashion 1017 01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,459 if they're going to maintain their control. 1018 01:13:48,625 --> 01:13:52,375 So what is the power of corporates today built on? 1019 01:13:52,709 --> 01:13:58,500 Their power is based on their control of capital 1020 01:13:58,667 --> 01:14:01,834 and their control of investment decisions, 1021 01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:06,042 their massive influence on governments 1022 01:14:06,209 --> 01:14:08,917 which derives from the private power. 1023 01:14:09,125 --> 01:14:12,084 That's basically the nature of state capitalism, 1024 01:14:12,250 --> 01:14:15,209 but it's extended and dramatized 1025 01:14:15,375 --> 01:14:21,292 under the neoliberal policies of the last generation, which have sharply escalated this. 1026 01:14:21,625 --> 01:14:24,084 We have all those companies 1027 01:14:24,250 --> 01:14:28,000 telling you that they only have sustainable products, 1028 01:14:28,167 --> 01:14:31,792 that they're extremely fair and doing their best. 1029 01:14:31,959 --> 01:14:35,584 And the question is: How do we need to deal with green lies? 1030 01:14:35,917 --> 01:14:40,417 To recognize that the proposals may be worthwhile. 1031 01:14:40,750 --> 01:14:45,542 Maybe it's good not to use plastic bags. The oceans are getting full of them. Good. 1032 01:14:45,875 --> 01:14:51,209 But if that is being proposed by a powerful institution 1033 01:14:51,542 --> 01:14:55,292 with the intention of showing you how nice and benevolent they are, 1034 01:14:55,459 --> 01:14:56,959 then reject it. 1035 01:14:57,125 --> 01:15:00,375 Follow the proposal but reject the propaganda. 1036 01:15:00,709 --> 01:15:05,042 But the real problem is working very eminently 1037 01:15:05,209 --> 01:15:08,250 to bring about the kind of institutional change 1038 01:15:08,417 --> 01:15:12,250 which will eliminate the necessity for green lies 1039 01:15:12,959 --> 01:15:16,584 by placing power systems under popular control. 1040 01:15:17,417 --> 01:15:20,417 What do we need to change? How do we need to do that? 1041 01:15:20,750 --> 01:15:27,459 If a business was owned and managed by its workforce 1042 01:15:27,625 --> 01:15:33,875 and was part of a system of self-governing communities which interacted, 1043 01:15:34,042 --> 01:15:36,875 then their goals could be the public good. 1044 01:15:37,167 --> 01:15:39,000 So a democratic system 1045 01:15:39,167 --> 01:15:44,459 in which the economy was democratized and under public control 1046 01:15:44,625 --> 01:15:47,584 would have something like profit, 1047 01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:52,750 meaning a company would have to provide, and sustain its workforce. 1048 01:15:53,084 --> 01:15:58,667 But not a system in which we end up in a world with, according to the latest figures, 1049 01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:03,125 eight people owning as much as half the population of the world. 1050 01:16:03,292 --> 01:16:07,000 That's a special property of private capitalism. 1051 01:16:08,042 --> 01:16:12,542 So one of the aims should be to get rid of transnational corporations? 1052 01:16:12,875 --> 01:16:14,834 Or the domestic ones. - Yes. 1053 01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:19,917 In fact, why, any, any... Just like any other kind of hierarchy. 1054 01:16:20,250 --> 01:16:22,667 But how likely would that be? 1055 01:16:22,834 --> 01:16:27,125 It's kind of as if you were asking in the 16th century: 1056 01:16:27,292 --> 01:16:30,542 How likely is parliamentary democracy? 1057 01:16:30,709 --> 01:16:35,750 Every issue that has ever been faced in human history, 1058 01:16:36,084 --> 01:16:39,334 whether it's slavery, civil rights, 1059 01:16:39,500 --> 01:16:44,084 women's rights, popular democracy, 1060 01:16:44,250 --> 01:16:47,500 you pick it, whatever it is, you've got to struggle for it. 1061 01:16:47,834 --> 01:16:51,750 Do you think it is something which definitely will come or is it just a question of time? 1062 01:16:51,959 --> 01:16:54,167 No, not definitely at all 1063 01:16:54,500 --> 01:16:58,959 What's likely to come, as current tendencies continue, 1064 01:16:59,125 --> 01:17:05,542 is essentially the destruction of the possibilities for organized, civilized life. 1065 01:17:05,709 --> 01:17:07,625 And not in the far future. 1066 01:17:07,959 --> 01:17:13,167 There's still no legislation for bringing the industry to court 1067 01:17:13,334 --> 01:17:17,084 when they claim this product is sustainable and green. 1068 01:17:17,417 --> 01:17:21,875 Good, then spend your time working to create that popular organization. 1069 01:17:22,042 --> 01:17:25,625 Maybe I should do a film. - Maybe. That’s a good idea. 1070 01:17:25,792 --> 01:17:28,625 Maybe I should ask you to participate in it. 1071 01:17:28,792 --> 01:17:30,500 That's a way of doing it. 1072 01:17:30,667 --> 01:17:32,625 It's by no means hopeless. 1073 01:17:32,792 --> 01:17:36,542 There have been plenty of successes over the years. 1074 01:17:36,709 --> 01:17:38,959 But they don't happen by themselves. 1075 01:17:44,584 --> 01:17:47,917 In theory, it all sounds very easy. 1076 01:17:48,792 --> 01:17:52,500 But today, corporations hold the same positions of power 1077 01:17:52,667 --> 01:17:56,792 as absolutist emperors and kings in times gone by. 1078 01:18:00,709 --> 01:18:03,500 And governments and institutions 1079 01:18:03,667 --> 01:18:06,334 are mere stooges of industry. 1080 01:18:21,250 --> 01:18:25,250 Everything is so complicated. - But it isn't complicated. 1081 01:18:25,417 --> 01:18:29,625 It is, and what makes it even more complicated is when you sit there 1082 01:18:29,792 --> 01:18:32,750 and tell me that it's not that complicated. 1083 01:18:33,500 --> 01:18:35,084 That really gets to me. 1084 01:18:35,667 --> 01:18:40,500 I think you have too many negative thoughts. 1085 01:18:40,667 --> 01:18:43,000 I have too many negative thoughts? - Yes. 1086 01:18:43,334 --> 01:18:47,167 Because you think the status quo shouldn't be challenged 1087 01:18:47,334 --> 01:18:52,209 or everything will be forbidden or you'll have to give up everything. 1088 01:18:53,584 --> 01:18:58,792 People have to be willing to make changes, or nothing will happen. 1089 01:18:58,959 --> 01:19:03,125 It's not as if people feel helpless or alone, 1090 01:19:03,292 --> 01:19:07,667 or don't set up movements together 1091 01:19:07,834 --> 01:19:11,709 because they're too lazy or too stupid. 1092 01:19:11,875 --> 01:19:16,792 Sometimes people are preoccupied with insecure jobs, 1093 01:19:16,959 --> 01:19:19,625 or financial worries... 1094 01:19:19,959 --> 01:19:24,792 So they might not have the courage or they have other worries. 1095 01:19:25,417 --> 01:19:28,292 There's a connection. And consumerism 1096 01:19:28,625 --> 01:19:31,917 hides everything under a thick layer of cotton candy. 1097 01:19:32,625 --> 01:19:34,000 True. 1098 01:19:43,625 --> 01:19:46,209 We need to get rid of cotton-candy consumerism 1099 01:19:46,375 --> 01:19:50,459 and realize that the system is murderous. 1100 01:19:50,625 --> 01:19:54,917 It destroys nature, the basis of our own lives. 1101 01:19:55,834 --> 01:20:00,500 In the current system, human beings don't matter. 1102 01:20:02,542 --> 01:20:06,750 We're meeting the chief of the indigenous peoples of Brazil. 1103 01:20:08,792 --> 01:20:10,750 I'm going to drive. Let's go. 1104 01:20:11,542 --> 01:20:13,709 He's a good driver. Don't worry. 1105 01:20:15,875 --> 01:20:19,917 You've never been here. There are only very bad roads. 1106 01:20:23,292 --> 01:20:25,709 You're always on your phone, Sonia. 1107 01:20:27,125 --> 01:20:28,375 Really? 1108 01:20:30,500 --> 01:20:32,709 I have to read the news 1109 01:20:33,834 --> 01:20:38,584 about the investigations. 1110 01:20:38,750 --> 01:20:41,250 What kind of investigations? 1111 01:20:41,417 --> 01:20:45,500 There's lots of violence in Mato Grosso do Sul. 1112 01:20:45,667 --> 01:20:49,459 Every day, indigenous people are murdered. 1113 01:20:49,625 --> 01:20:52,292 So we must be very careful. 1114 01:20:52,792 --> 01:20:56,959 But why is it in Mato Grosso do Sul where the violence is so severe? 1115 01:20:57,334 --> 01:21:01,875 Because this is the state where the most cattle are bred. 1116 01:21:02,209 --> 01:21:04,542 The largest cattle ranches are located here. 1117 01:21:04,709 --> 01:21:08,584 Almost all the farms here 1118 01:21:08,750 --> 01:21:13,125 are on traditional indigenous territory. 1119 01:21:19,042 --> 01:21:24,584 In Brazil, you can clearly see how the global economic system works. 1120 01:21:25,417 --> 01:21:28,375 In order to enable powerful companies to deliver 1121 01:21:28,709 --> 01:21:34,167 more and more meat, soy, corn and sugarcane to the world with their little green labels, 1122 01:21:34,500 --> 01:21:38,542 rainforests are cleared here and human rights violated. 1123 01:21:42,084 --> 01:21:44,959 The indigenous peoples want justice. 1124 01:21:45,125 --> 01:21:47,792 The land is rightfully theirs, 1125 01:21:47,959 --> 01:21:51,334 but it's simply taken away from them and never returned. 1126 01:21:54,375 --> 01:21:58,834 The big farmers cling to the profits and hire gangs of thugs. 1127 01:22:00,500 --> 01:22:03,959 Corrupt politicians ensure that the military police 1128 01:22:04,125 --> 01:22:06,709 fight for the wrong side. 1129 01:22:18,542 --> 01:22:20,375 In the name of profit, 1130 01:22:20,542 --> 01:22:24,750 people and nature around the world are simply displaced. 1131 01:22:27,292 --> 01:22:31,042 These are the huts of the indigenous people. 1132 01:22:31,209 --> 01:22:34,334 They live between the asphalt 1133 01:22:34,500 --> 01:22:36,625 and the huge monocultures. 1134 01:22:36,792 --> 01:22:39,667 There's no other place for them to go. 1135 01:22:42,417 --> 01:22:43,834 Where are we going to? 1136 01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:47,750 To the indigenous area of Nioaque. 1137 01:22:48,500 --> 01:22:50,917 To the joint gathering of indigenous people. 1138 01:22:51,084 --> 01:22:53,292 I think it's the sixth gathering. 1139 01:22:53,459 --> 01:22:56,625 The people of Terena organize it every year. 1140 01:22:57,542 --> 01:22:59,459 It's the eighth. 1141 01:23:00,250 --> 01:23:01,584 Really? 1142 01:23:02,542 --> 01:23:07,167 You're right. True, it's the eighth. 1143 01:23:20,709 --> 01:23:24,959 Now we want to welcome our sister: 1144 01:23:25,542 --> 01:23:27,625 Sonia Guajajara. 1145 01:23:27,959 --> 01:23:32,917 Let's give her a big round of applause, 1146 01:23:35,584 --> 01:23:40,875 the leader of the Association of the Indigenous Peoples of Brazil. 1147 01:24:06,917 --> 01:24:10,000 Good evening, everyone. 1148 01:24:11,292 --> 01:24:14,250 Or: "Zané pitô" in Guajajara. 1149 01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:17,709 I'd like to tell you something. 1150 01:24:18,042 --> 01:24:21,250 Every day, the Guarani Kaiowa are threatened, 1151 01:24:21,417 --> 01:24:24,709 killed and murdered. 1152 01:24:25,334 --> 01:24:31,542 And what's being done to you here is happening throughout Brazil. 1153 01:24:32,125 --> 01:24:35,042 This hatred and this anger against us 1154 01:24:35,209 --> 01:24:38,625 only exists because we want 1155 01:24:38,959 --> 01:24:41,792 to live well on our own land. 1156 01:24:42,084 --> 01:24:44,459 Yes, we have partners and allies. 1157 01:24:44,625 --> 01:24:47,709 But the driving force must come from us, 1158 01:24:48,042 --> 01:24:50,417 from our base, from our own roots, 1159 01:24:50,750 --> 01:24:53,459 from the alliance of our peoples. 1160 01:24:54,125 --> 01:24:56,375 I'm very happy 1161 01:24:56,542 --> 01:25:00,292 that I'm spending three days here with you. 1162 01:25:00,625 --> 01:25:02,250 Thank you, everyone. 1163 01:25:12,084 --> 01:25:15,000 In the many lectures and panels that take place here, 1164 01:25:15,167 --> 01:25:18,084 I learn about alternative economic models 1165 01:25:18,417 --> 01:25:21,875 that are already being tested all over the world. 1166 01:25:24,625 --> 01:25:27,542 The vitality of the people gives me courage. 1167 01:25:27,709 --> 01:25:33,167 It's as if it weren't so hard to find new social and economic structures 1168 01:25:33,334 --> 01:25:36,875 that put people and the environment first. 1169 01:25:43,667 --> 01:25:45,125 What is a good life? 1170 01:25:45,292 --> 01:25:48,834 It all depends on what you're used to. 1171 01:25:49,750 --> 01:25:55,125 To us, a good life doesn't mean owning a car. 1172 01:25:55,459 --> 01:25:59,542 We're not always concerned with possessions. 1173 01:26:00,084 --> 01:26:03,209 To us, a good life means 1174 01:26:03,375 --> 01:26:06,209 freely inhabiting our lands 1175 01:26:06,375 --> 01:26:10,125 and enjoying what the earth offers us. 1176 01:26:10,292 --> 01:26:12,167 That's what I call a good life. 1177 01:26:12,334 --> 01:26:14,875 But for that, we need a guarantee 1178 01:26:15,042 --> 01:26:16,542 that the land is ours. 1179 01:26:16,709 --> 01:26:20,417 We need to be safe from invasion. 1180 01:26:20,584 --> 01:26:22,667 Without relentless exploitation 1181 01:26:22,834 --> 01:26:25,084 in the name of capitalism and money. 1182 01:26:25,709 --> 01:26:30,792 While we fight for an intact environment, 1183 01:26:30,959 --> 01:26:37,459 other people think differently. They want to exploit the land. 1184 01:26:38,042 --> 01:26:41,209 These are different viewpoints. 1185 01:26:41,375 --> 01:26:47,750 We plant trees and leave them to grow to create better air. 1186 01:26:47,917 --> 01:26:52,959 While others see the tree and ask, "How much money is that worth?" 1187 01:26:53,292 --> 01:26:58,584 Do you think people in Europe would really lose out on anything 1188 01:26:58,750 --> 01:27:00,584 if you get justice? 1189 01:27:01,334 --> 01:27:04,459 No one would lose out. That's an illusion. 1190 01:27:05,084 --> 01:27:08,084 We humans can adapt 1191 01:27:08,250 --> 01:27:11,042 to other things and conditions. 1192 01:27:11,834 --> 01:27:13,959 There must be a better system. 1193 01:27:14,584 --> 01:27:19,250 The system controls the people, and we can't allow this. 1194 01:27:19,417 --> 01:27:22,250 The people must control the system. 1195 01:27:23,250 --> 01:27:25,792 It's how easy it is? 1196 01:27:25,959 --> 01:27:28,959 No, that's not what I'm saying. 1197 01:27:29,125 --> 01:27:33,084 Everything is difficult, so we fight every day... 1198 01:27:33,250 --> 01:27:34,875 Because it's difficult. 1199 01:27:35,042 --> 01:27:38,334 If it were easy, it wouldn't mean anything us, 1200 01:27:38,500 --> 01:27:40,959 because we are the powerful ones. 1201 01:27:42,250 --> 01:27:44,667 That's why we've been given this task. 1202 01:27:44,834 --> 01:27:49,042 We must keep at it, talk about it every day, 1203 01:27:49,209 --> 01:27:52,500 travel around and tell the world about it. 1204 01:28:12,792 --> 01:28:17,042 Solidarity, strength and determination. 1205 01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:21,917 That's what human beings are capable of. 1206 01:28:27,500 --> 01:28:31,334 And we need a lot, too, because the profiteers of the old system 1207 01:28:31,500 --> 01:28:36,000 will continue to strut around, telling green lies. 1208 01:28:39,042 --> 01:28:43,375 The perseverance of the indigenous peoples should be an example to us. 1209 01:28:43,834 --> 01:28:48,959 We have a mission, each and every one of us. 1210 01:28:49,125 --> 01:28:52,292 It's written in the palm of your hand. 1211 01:28:52,459 --> 01:28:58,000 Never give in to those who have nothing to say 1212 01:28:58,167 --> 01:29:00,667 except to call others useless. 1213 01:29:01,584 --> 01:29:03,167 Never give in! 1214 01:29:03,917 --> 01:29:05,500 Never give in! 1215 01:29:06,084 --> 01:29:08,209 I know what I must do in this life. 1216 01:29:08,375 --> 01:29:10,584 I know which side I belong to. 1217 01:29:10,917 --> 01:29:15,084 And I'm grateful to our people, mainly to our youth. 1218 01:29:15,250 --> 01:29:18,834 Open your eyes! Open your eyes! 1219 01:29:19,167 --> 01:29:21,667 Because we're often surrounded by people 1220 01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:25,250 who claim to be our friends, 1221 01:29:25,584 --> 01:29:27,250 when really they are traitors. 1222 01:29:27,417 --> 01:29:30,292 They praise us to our faces, 1223 01:29:30,459 --> 01:29:34,042 but speak ill of us behind our backs. 1224 01:29:34,209 --> 01:29:37,709 We know that this sort of thing happens. 1225 01:29:37,875 --> 01:29:41,917 That's what I wanted to say. 1226 01:29:42,625 --> 01:29:43,875 Thank you. 1227 01:29:56,000 --> 01:30:00,334 Kathrin and I are dreaming of putting an end to the "green lie". 1228 01:30:03,292 --> 01:30:05,875 Environmental protection and human rights 1229 01:30:06,209 --> 01:30:09,417 must be more than lip service from the industry. 1230 01:30:10,250 --> 01:30:12,542 The rights of nature and of people 1231 01:30:12,709 --> 01:30:17,792 must be legally secured in the global democratic economic system. 1232 01:30:27,667 --> 01:30:29,667 Here we are. 1233 01:30:30,500 --> 01:30:34,917 This area here belonged to our village. 1234 01:30:35,084 --> 01:30:37,792 We will take it back 1235 01:30:37,959 --> 01:30:39,834 in order to use it again. 1236 01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:42,667 The big farmers are guilty. 1237 01:30:42,834 --> 01:30:44,542 They're using our land. 1238 01:30:44,875 --> 01:30:47,584 This doesn't serve our village community. 1239 01:30:47,875 --> 01:30:50,750 They must return the land. 1240 01:30:50,917 --> 01:30:53,959 That is our right under the constitution. 1241 01:30:55,750 --> 01:31:00,000 While speaking to Estevinho, Chief of the Terena, 1242 01:31:00,167 --> 01:31:04,584 it becomes clear to us that everything that destroys our livelihood 1243 01:31:04,750 --> 01:31:09,834 and doesn't serve our well-being must be fought and brought to an end. 1244 01:31:11,875 --> 01:31:16,542 We gather 300 to 500 warriors 1245 01:31:16,709 --> 01:31:19,250 and tell the people using our land, 1246 01:31:19,417 --> 01:31:24,542 "Sorry, but that's our land. You've got this many days to leave." 1247 01:31:33,250 --> 01:31:37,375 All over the world, many people and many organizations 1248 01:31:37,542 --> 01:31:39,500 are ready to fight. 1249 01:31:40,084 --> 01:31:42,500 Sometimes they sue us 1250 01:31:42,667 --> 01:31:46,959 because they want to keep the land. 1251 01:31:48,250 --> 01:31:51,375 They lie, they bribe people. 1252 01:31:51,542 --> 01:31:56,500 We are penniless, but we have partners and allies. 1253 01:31:56,834 --> 01:32:02,250 We've stood up and have already won back seven farms. 1254 01:32:02,417 --> 01:32:04,917 Now we'll get the others back as well. 1255 01:32:37,084 --> 01:32:39,959 What do we want? - Revolution! 1256 01:32:40,292 --> 01:32:44,292 And you're there, too? - Yes, there are quite a lot of people. 1257 01:32:44,459 --> 01:32:48,250 So cool. - It's a huge crowd, and more are coming. 1258 01:32:48,834 --> 01:32:52,334 System change not climate change! 1259 01:32:52,875 --> 01:32:55,667 What do we want? - Climate justice. 1260 01:32:55,834 --> 01:32:57,875 When do we want it? - Now! 102502

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