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They tell me I can save the world.
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The orangutans, the dolphins,
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the ocean, the rainforest,
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and even humankind.
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All I have to do
is buy sustainable and fair products.
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But that is a lie.
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More and more people around the world
are taking to the streets
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to protest the way
corporations make products
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and behave on the market.
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I've never been
to any of those protests.
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Since my childhood
I've been striving for harmony.
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I've always been very attentive.
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I learned that honesty and politeness
are important virtues.
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And being well-dressed.
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And now, as an average consumer,
I want to know what I can do
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to stop the destruction of nature
by corporations.
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Do I really just have to
"shop the right way"?
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That's why I decided to make this film
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together with Kathrin Hartmann.
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Werner!
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Hi.
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Great to have you here.
- Great to see you.
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That's where we're going.
- Great. I'll have a look.
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Kathrin has been working on
the issue of sustainability for years.
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I'll take you to the hotel
and we'll get ready.
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Exactly. We'll get dolled up.
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How are you?
- Great.
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She is the top expert in greenwashing.
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She recognizes when corporations
are spreading disinformation
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to create a green image for themselves.
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On TV
she levels harsh criticism at companies.
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We first met five years ago
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at a panel discussion on TV
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after the release
of my previous film "Plastic Planet".
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We all feel awfully guilty.
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Because we know exactly
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what our way of living is doing to the world.
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Many people have changed their buying habits.
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It may not make a big difference,
but we have to start somewhere.
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The industry call us consumers,
not citizens.
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IS THERE AN ECO-FRIENDLY LIFESTYLE?
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I'm not just a consumer.
I'm a human being, a citizen.
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Our journey
starts in my home town.
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Vienna has one of the highest
qualities of living in the world.
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There are hardly any social protests
and almost no violent demonstrations.
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This makes it
a popular place to do business.
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Today it's hosting
an industrial sustainability event.
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And using the "good cop, bad cop" method,
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we want to look at
how, where and when
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industry is lying to us.
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Christina, you look stunning tonight.
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Hello.
- This is Kathrin Hartmann.
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She's a German author
who's come here for the SEA Award.
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I'm pleased to hear that.
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She's the organizer of the SEA Award.
- Oh, I see. He told me all about it.
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Thanks for the invite.
- He's a great promoter, right?
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She's a book author
and writes about sustainability issues.
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And I thought I'd...
- Bring us together.
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I wanted to show her all these companies.
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They are sustainable, right?
- Of course!
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We only support companies
that fix the world, not destroy it.
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I'm bowled over by your dress.
- Thanks.
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Is it sustainable?
It definitely leaves a lasting impression!
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Werner! You should know:
sustainability is sexy.
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Good evening.
- Good evening.
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This is about sustainability.
It's about our environment.
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And how we treat our planet
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affects us in ways
that sometimes we don't even think of.
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Please welcome Mr. Marc Pacheco.
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You know,
I head the great fortune this year
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of being at the White House,
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when Pope Francis was there.
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Everyone wants to be involved.
Everyone wants the world to be healthy.
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And thriving. Isn't that great?
- Yes, absolutely.
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But that doesn't change a thing.
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But that's why we're here.
- Really?
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This is an award for industry
to present their brightest green ideas.
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So that this collective home
that we all call
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our planet
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will be able to survive
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for the generations that follow us.
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Thank you.
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I don't think any of these companies
are big multinationals,
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because they wouldn't give a shit.
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But that's the guy
from Berkshire Hathaway over there.
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Warren Buffet's company,
the fifth largest company in the world.
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You're right. And it's surprising.
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If Berkshire Hathaway actually
took sustainability seriously...
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But he is!
He came to Vienna and he's here.
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If so, they'd have to ditch
their Coca-Cola stock
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and get rid
of their shares in Phillips 66.
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They sold their oil shares,
but now they're investing in gas stations.
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That's because the oil prices are low now
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and people are buying much more fuel,
which is good for business.
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Why is he here then?
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We could ask him directly.
- Why not?
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Shall we go and ask him?
- Let's go.
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Werner Boote. Good evening.
May I introduce Kathrin Hartmann?
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Good evening.
- How do you do.
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Would you like to join us?
- Yes, certainly.
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That's great.
Please, take a seat between us.
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So, while we've got you here:
Do you live an eco-friendly lifestyle?
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Or do you not really care?
- No, I do care. I take special care...
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wherever it's possible,
and where I've become aware of it.
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But I think...
- It's trendy to say that these days, right?
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No, no!
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I try to take great care about what I buy.
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Do you also have
a professional interest in the SEA Awards
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which are all about sustainability?
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Sure, sustainability
is also a big issue for our company.
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We are a large energy supplier
in the US and in England.
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We have also invested heavily
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in the renewable energy sector.
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And what about your investment in Phillips 66,
in their gas stations and refineries?
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That's supporting a mode of transport
that isn't really sustainable.
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Well...
- Sorry.
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Well, I wouldn't claim that it was done
with sustainability in mind.
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Berkshire is of course
a for-profit corporation.
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All corporations are for-profit companies.
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Maximizing profits
is their highest priority.
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And their executive boards
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are even required
to make as much profit as possible.
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Responsibility for sustainability
is passed on to us, the consumers.
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What's taking you so long?
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I consider myself an average consumer
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and prefer products
with a sustainability label.
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But I often catch myself
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just grabbing whatever,
out of convenience or lack of time.
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You're driving me nuts,
constantly checking the product details.
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What's all that stuff
in your trolley, Werner?
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Pasta. Do you like pasta?
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No. I'm vegetarian.
- Then I'll take something else.
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Vegetarian...
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Penne.
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With bacon.
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I don't want any of this stuff.
It's full of rainforest.
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What's that supposed to mean?
- It all contains palm oil.
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Palm oil?
- Yes, palm oil. Let's see.
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But palm oil is nice.
- Palm oil...
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Palm trees, sun, beach...
- Palm trees are beautiful in the jungle.
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But they cut down the jungle to grow
vast monocultures of oil palms.
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Here. Unilever is the single largest user
of palm oil in the world.
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"Sustainably grown tomatoes."
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Why don't you just buy tomatoes
and make some soup?
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Because it takes ten times as long.
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That's no reason to destroy
the rainforest. It's absurd.
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I'm not destroying it
just by buying that.
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Pizza burger!
What in the world is a pizza burger?
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Pizza burger... There's no plastic.
It's packed in cardboard and it's healthy.
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Well, healthy...
- Healthy!
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It gives you energy...
- And contains sugar, and white flour.
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I knew it.
- Palm fat.
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Every second product
in the supermarket has palm oil in it.
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You can be sure that any processed product
that contains fat has palm oil in it.
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Because
it's the cheapest fat in the world.
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Look: "Unilever is committed to
the sustainable production of palm oil."
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Sustainable palm oil.
- Which is what exactly?
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It means...
- You think they cuddle the rainforest
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instead of destroying it?
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There is no sustainable palm oil.
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Why not?
- It always requires deforestation.
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Palm trees only grow where
rainforest once grew. And all that land...
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That's easy to say.
How do you know if it's true?
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We want to look at various industries
in different countries,
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so I buy a cheap
around-the-world ticket.
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Here too,
I can prove my ecological awareness
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and make a voluntary payment
to offset the CO2 emissions.
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It's true: such a huge plane
produces tons of greenhouse gases.
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But 100 euros for the first flight
is a bit steep.
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They certainly weren't able
to offset much on this flight.
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No, I don't want to eat that.
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Palm oil. Really?
You're enjoying this, aren't you?
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You navigate, okay?
- We're going to Jambi.
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To Feri Irawan's office.
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You'll like him.
He's the hero of Sumatra.
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A great fighter
against the palm oil industry.
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Just imagine: only two weeks ago
there was a fire blazing here.
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Everything was black with smoke.
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120,000 people are being treated
here for smoke inhalation.
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Children inhaled the smoke and suffocated.
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And all that smoke was created
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just so you can have your M&Ms.
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Don't let Feri see that.
He'll get upset and I don't blame him.
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Air pollution has reached record levels
for the third day in Singapore
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with the city-state
blanketed in heavy smog
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caused by illegal forest fires
in nearby Indonesia.
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By zooming in, the authorities
can actually see the fires.
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And they've already blamed
eight companies
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who have been clearing forests
to make ways for plantations.
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So cool!
Look at the trees in a perfect line.
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You see...
- Because it's a monoculture.
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Look in there and you'll see nothing.
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What do you mean?
- No animals or any other plants.
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They kill the undergrowth with poison
to make it easier to harvest the fruit.
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Does this look like nature to you?
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Yes. Green, healthy, natural.
- Healthy?
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Yes, it's green.
- Sure, but what does it mean?
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Green is just a colour.
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It's in there.
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Werner, nice meeting you.
Feri.
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How are you?
- Hi. Kathrin. Nice to meet you.
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So I heard, you're the fighter
against the palm oil industry.
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Is that right?
- Yes.
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So the big palm oil industry
will not be very happy about Feri, hm?
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That's true. They certainly don't like me.
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They'd kill me if they could.
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Let's be honest.
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I give you two pills.
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Are you taking one?
I'll take the other one.
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There's palm oil in it.
- Werner, what are you doing?
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That is made with the blood of Indonesians.
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It disgusts me!
- You see?
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In Indonesia, only a very few people
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profit from the palm oil industry.
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Major corporations
and people from abroad profit from it.
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For example, through biofuels.
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It's very dangerous when corporations
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put pressure on governments worldwide.
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This leads to the destruction of the forest
in the developing world, like in Indonesia.
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So palm oil is used for stuff
no one really needs.
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That's bullshit.
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You, the rich, can afford anything!
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No one has a right to coloured candy
that doesn't nourish anyone.
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People die for it, their land is stolen,
forests are burned down.
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They have nothing to eat.
It's a myth that they get rich from this.
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Do you really think anyone asks them:
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"Can we please buy your land
to grow palm trees?"
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In my opinion, the palm oil industry
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is a type of neo-colonialism,
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introducing forced labour
and cheap labour to Indonesia.
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Here in Indonesia, the workers are cheap,
so the profits are enormous.
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But on the other hand,
I always hear that
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everything is sustainable
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and the industry is green
and paying attention.
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After investigating the operations
of several palm oil companies,
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including Sinar Mas, Wilmar and others,
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I can confirm that none of them
produce sustainably.
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Their actions have a major negative impact:
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human rights violations,
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violence against farmers and communities,
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displacement, ecocide and poverty.
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And what happened to the Round Table
on Sustainable Palm Oil the last two weeks?
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What's that?
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The roundtable issues a certificate
for sustainable palm oil.
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It's a little palm symbol
that's stuck on the packaging.
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It's awarded by
the Roundtable on Sustainable Palm Oil,
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which was founded by the WWF
and the palm oil industry.
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The RSPO exists only
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to make consumers in Europe believe
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that everything here is legal.
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The forest fires were never discussed,
even though RSPO-certified Sinar Mas
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burns forests to create new oil plantations.
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Like two other companies,
Ema and Jawi. They do exactly the same.
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In a year with so many rainforest fires,
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we want to hear
what the industry has to say.
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So we fly to the IPOC conference in Bali.
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This is where the biggest
palm oil producers in the world meet.
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Feri won't be joining us.
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If he did,
we probably wouldn't be allowed in.
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Hi. Are those the fruits from the palm tree?
- Yes.
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Can I eat it?
- You can.
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You want to try?
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It has less fibre.
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Now I'm well oiled.
- Yeah, very good.
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Indonesia's top politicians
are gathered in the Hall of Ceremonies.
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This is no surprise, as many of them
are also owners of palm oil plantations.
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It's the minister.
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Excuse me. Thank you.
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Today, Indonesia is doing a great deal
to improve its future.
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The palm oil industry is contributing a lot.
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20 billion dollars!
That's not small money.
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It's big, huge money!
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Indonesia must unite.
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The NGOs want to impose their rules on us.
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NGOs are concerned about the chimpanzees.
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What about us monkeys with our black hair?
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To them, this country is full of monkeys.
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We have 20 million workers
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and 2 or 30 monkeys that make a lot of noise.
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Not that we don't care, but our priority
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is the prosperity of the people of Indonesia.
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There's a lot of media here.
- Yes.
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Do you really think
they're critical journalists?
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Yes.
- Oh, come on.
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We were told to hold back
on critical questions,
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because they aren't welcome.
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They wouldn't have let us in otherwise.
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Your organisation
is financed by the government.
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Is that right?
- No.
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We are completely financed by the industry.
- By the industry?
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"European Palm Oil Alliance".
This is where you work?
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What we're doing
in the European Palm Oil Alliance,
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especially in Europe,
is to explain why we use palm oil.
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And of course,
there's a lot of information in the media,
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about the negative image of palm oil.
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But companies who are certified
by the Round Table on Sustainable Palm Oil,
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these companies are committed
that they do not slash and burn.
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But that's all voluntary, and there are
a lot of studies where NGOs found out
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about a lot of companies
that are RSPO members,
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and have concessions in all the regions
where the fire was breaking out.
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So, I don't think this is a coincidence.
- No, I think it's very clear...
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Is it a coincidence?
- No, I think it's not... It isn't...
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It's the El Niño-effect. It's terrible.
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They need to fight it.
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But it's not an issue that
only the palm oil industry is to blame.
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But the fire was not only spreading
because of El Niño,
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but because of all the degraded land as well.
Because of all the cut-down trees,
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and all the very dry plantations.
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Because palm oil is sucking water,
it's drying out the land.
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Sustainability
is not a fixed criterion now.
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It's a continuous process
of continuous improvement.
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These are only promises. I mean,
there is no proof yet for sustainable palm oil.
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Is that right?
- Nobody could explain to me yet what...
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That's true. Can you explain it to us?
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Okay. Let me explain.
- Yes, please.
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In the RSPO, in the Round Table,
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worldwide NGOs
and the industry sit together
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to define what is the criteria
for sustainable palm oil.
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That's too complicated for me.
Explain it in normal words.
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What is sustainable palm oil?
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Sustainable palm oil is palm oil produced
with respect to nature.
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Not burning the rainforest?
- No slash-and-burn.
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No... No...
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No... Fair to the people.
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So the people you employ, you provide them
with housing, with medical care...
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And it's also about profit.
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It's also that the people who work
at the plantations have a decent income.
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But let's be honest, the RSPO has existed
since 2004, it's more than ten years.
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And in all those ten years,
the destruction was going on and going on.
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I'm happy that you're here now
to convince yourselves
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that sustainable palm oil is on the way
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and more and more
in your products in Europe.
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Okay.
- Yes?
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Such vague definitions
are typical of greenwashing.
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Everything sounds nice,
nothing is enforceable
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and, as always,
large amounts of chemicals are used.
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Our product is set up as an RSPO product.
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So it's a herbicide?
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When a plantation sells
a crude palm oil product to Europe
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it will indicate
which herbicide it has used
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Okay, let's say, for example, this one.
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It's a green product.
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Everything is green.
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This is also...
- Oh, this is even more green.
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I like this one.
Here, there's still a little blue, huh?
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But here, this bottle...
This bottle is almost all green.
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You have to look at the pictogram.
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The pictogram indicates
that it has been certified as a green product.
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Okay. But in what way is it green?
Is it organic?
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That is different from the organic one,
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meaning this one is less toxic. Less toxic.
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Globally, corporations outdo each other
with green slogans.
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Entire armies of PR, CSR
and marketing agencies are put to work.
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The whole industry is trying
to flaunt its love of nature.
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At the Makin Group stand,
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one of the leading groups
of palm oil producers,
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you can even hear the sounds
of wildlife in the jungle.
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This conference is as well about
the future of palm oil sustainability.
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And when I look around here,
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with the green stuff and the nice pictures
with the birds and orangutans,
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I get the impression
that this is more like an NGO
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than a palm oil company.
Can you explain?
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Sustainability to us means
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that there is a balance of economy,
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people and the environment.
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Because we can
only create, you know, harmony
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and prosperity,
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if we can at least balance
those three elements, you know?
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In the past there was a lot of discussion
going on because of burning rain forests.
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Is Makin Groupe connected
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with any burning of rain forest?
- No. No.
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Never?
- Never.
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Never? - Never.
- How can you be sure?
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Because we run the Makin Group,
we can be sure.
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Maybe you tell me 'harmony'
and in fact you have a poker-face.
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How do I find out
if you're cheating or not?
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Well, in order to find out
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you have to go to the field.
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You have to go to visit the plantation,
you have to go to the villages.
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You know,
that's the only way you can prove it.
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We'll go somewhere.
Where do you have your plants?
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Jambi?
- Anywhere.
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Let's go to Jambi.
- Let's go to Jambi.
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Thank you very much.
- Thank you.
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It was a pleasure talking to you.
- Thank you.
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Thank you.
- Have a good day.
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In Jambi, we'll meet up with Feri.
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He wants to show us some land,
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that was intact rainforest
only a few days ago
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before a palm oil company
illegally burned it down.
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The silence here is eerie.
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This is all going to be palm oil plantations?
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Yes.
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This whole thing feels very distant.
I see this burnt disaster area.
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And on the other hand,
I stuff myself with chocolate.
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It's hard to see the connection.
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I just need to think about
how many animals died for this.
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To me, it's just...
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00:30:23,584 --> 00:30:28,209
It's just insane. It's outrageous
that someone is doing this.
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00:30:28,542 --> 00:30:32,500
Of course it's outrageous.
That's why we came here.
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00:30:32,834 --> 00:30:36,417
And this special case here,
where we are standing right now,
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which company was it?
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This was 1,000 hectares of primeval forest,
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owned by the PT R.K.K. palm oil company.
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About 600 hectares
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were incinerated.
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And that's just one company.
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PT R.K.K. is a subsidiary
of the Makin Group.
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The Makin Group is therefore
indirectly responsible for this disaster.
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The Makin Group supplies Wilma,
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Wilma supplies Unilever,
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and Unilever markets its products under
400 different brand names in supermarkets.
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In my country, Unilever ads claim
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that they use 100 percent
sustainable palm oil.
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00:31:24,334 --> 00:31:29,250
But when I’m going to the supermarket,
I buy something with a certification
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that it's sustainable.
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So my palm oil doesn’t come from here.
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00:31:35,709 --> 00:31:39,459
You've fallen for a lie here.
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The proof is simple:
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all palm nuts from this area
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are collected in one factory
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and are exported from there.
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00:31:52,584 --> 00:31:56,250
These large companies supply Unilever.
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00:31:56,750 --> 00:31:59,500
A lot of it also goes to Scandinavia
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00:32:00,167 --> 00:32:02,667
to Neste Oil for biofuel.
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00:32:02,834 --> 00:32:04,917
Even today, they still buy raw palm oil
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from Indonesia for admixtures
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00:32:07,875 --> 00:32:11,584
and wash it clean with RSPO certificates.
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00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:15,750
But the companies tell me that everything
is green, everything is sustainable,
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00:32:15,917 --> 00:32:18,292
everything is good.
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Of course they do.
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00:32:22,084 --> 00:32:24,042
Of course they do.
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00:32:24,209 --> 00:32:28,667
The more problematic the product,
the more greenwashing it needs.
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00:32:35,084 --> 00:32:39,375
Worldwide, there are thousands
of sustainability and quality seals
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00:32:39,542 --> 00:32:46,167
that label products with
a total turnover of 37 billion euros a year.
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00:32:46,917 --> 00:32:50,959
But there are no laws to regulate this.
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00:32:51,125 --> 00:32:53,917
Companies and associations
in all branches
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invent certification labels as they see fit.
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00:32:57,417 --> 00:33:01,375
Standards are usually
completely opaque.
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00:33:28,542 --> 00:33:33,667
Why are we in Austin now?
And why do you want to meet Raj Patel?
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Because he can tell us interesting things.
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00:33:36,292 --> 00:33:39,125
He's a professor here
at the University of Austin.
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00:33:39,667 --> 00:33:42,709
He knows a lot about value chains,
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00:33:43,042 --> 00:33:45,500
and how everything is connected,
the power of companies...
447
00:33:45,667 --> 00:33:46,959
Hello there.
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00:33:49,042 --> 00:33:51,834
Hi, I'm Raj.
- Nice to meet you.
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00:33:52,167 --> 00:33:54,292
You speak German?
- I understand it.
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But I speak very little.
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00:33:57,584 --> 00:34:01,334
Okay. Well, have a seat!
We've prepared some kind of lunch for you.
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Some kind of lunch.
This is absolutely fabulous.
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00:34:06,084 --> 00:34:09,625
You're hungry, I hope?
- I wasn't, but now I am.
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I have a red wine called "Green Hills".
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00:34:15,625 --> 00:34:17,959
Okay.
- Everything is green these days.
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00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,875
Can I serve you?
- Oh, sure.
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00:34:22,042 --> 00:34:23,709
Milady?
- Thanks.
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00:34:23,875 --> 00:34:26,875
That's so sweet: "Milady".
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00:34:27,042 --> 00:34:30,125
We're looking more or less for a guideline,
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00:34:30,292 --> 00:34:33,417
how you can buy stuff
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00:34:33,750 --> 00:34:38,000
and make it more
environmentally friendly and more fair.
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00:34:38,167 --> 00:34:40,500
But then I look at the labels,
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00:34:40,667 --> 00:34:42,625
and most of the labels are fake.
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00:34:43,084 --> 00:34:47,334
They say, "Oh, it's green!
It's environmentally friendly!" It's whatever.
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00:34:47,500 --> 00:34:51,709
And it's a fake label
the company itself invented.
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00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:57,375
I'm with you that at some level
it's overwhelming.
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00:34:57,709 --> 00:35:02,542
There's so much noise about what's right
and what's good for you. I mean...
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00:35:02,709 --> 00:35:07,125
Forget even organic and blah blah blah.
Just: "Is this okay to eat?"
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00:35:07,459 --> 00:35:11,375
Who knows where the hell this came from
or how it was made?
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00:35:11,542 --> 00:35:14,084
Or anything about it?
But do I know that it’s healthy?
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00:35:14,417 --> 00:35:17,125
Well, it may have
higher levels of vitamin E or D.
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00:35:17,292 --> 00:35:22,625
But then again, has it transported so long
that some of this has decayed or...?
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00:35:22,792 --> 00:35:27,084
What the hell is going on?
Even with just very basic questions,
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we are both empowered to make
individual consumption decisions
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00:35:32,792 --> 00:35:35,875
and given so much information
that you don't know what the hell is going on.
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00:35:36,042 --> 00:35:39,667
Make smart decisions, people!
Look, here's information! Here's a pamphlet!
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00:35:39,834 --> 00:35:43,875
And we've even shrunk the information you need
down to the size of a postage stamp.
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00:35:44,042 --> 00:35:48,500
And we'll stick it on, and so it will say:
"Fairtrade", "dolphin-friendly",
479
00:35:48,834 --> 00:35:51,542
you know, "locust-compatible".
480
00:35:51,709 --> 00:35:57,667
So you're reading something
that looks like a long fucking list of virtue.
481
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,542
What the fuck? This is not fair!
And you're right: it's not.
482
00:36:00,709 --> 00:36:03,417
It's not fair to ask everyone to become experts
483
00:36:03,584 --> 00:36:06,167
in nutrition, in thermodynamics,
in climate change,
484
00:36:06,500 --> 00:36:10,917
in transportation law,
in labour law and in ecology.
485
00:36:11,250 --> 00:36:14,917
Then, when you see this,
you know, this package on the shelf
486
00:36:15,084 --> 00:36:18,792
you can interpret it, even if
it was telling the truth, which it isn't.
487
00:36:19,125 --> 00:36:23,625
That's bullshit! Because it's reduced down
to an individual consumption decision.
488
00:36:23,792 --> 00:36:25,709
And it shouldn't be that.
489
00:36:26,042 --> 00:36:29,459
I mean, it's like Fairtrade coffee.
I buy Fairtrade coffee
490
00:36:29,625 --> 00:36:33,792
because the alternative is what?
"Bastard coffee".
491
00:36:33,959 --> 00:36:37,375
Coffee that exploits children.
You don't want that.
492
00:36:37,709 --> 00:36:41,375
You want non-exploitative things.
But why is this an option?
493
00:36:41,917 --> 00:36:44,917
Why is this something
that you have to choose to do?
494
00:36:45,250 --> 00:36:47,459
Why do you have to choose
not to exploit people?
495
00:36:47,625 --> 00:36:51,167
Why do you have to choose not to kill dolphins?
Why do you have to choose to pick all this up?
496
00:36:51,334 --> 00:36:54,084
Why isn't this something
that you don’t have to worry about?
497
00:36:54,250 --> 00:36:56,959
Why isn't this something
that's just a basic threshold of legislation
498
00:36:57,125 --> 00:37:00,167
so that it's not an individual choice?
499
00:37:00,334 --> 00:37:02,875
But the only way you get there
Is by organizing it.
500
00:37:03,042 --> 00:37:06,709
You can't shop for
those individual choices to become law.
501
00:37:07,542 --> 00:37:12,000
I grew up with this old
environmental movement in Germany
502
00:37:12,167 --> 00:37:15,959
which was the anti
nuclear power plant movement.
503
00:37:16,125 --> 00:37:21,709
There was a lot of education going on
concerning environmental problems.
504
00:37:22,042 --> 00:37:24,250
But still, people do believe
505
00:37:24,417 --> 00:37:26,709
the only thing you can do
is buy the right stuff.
506
00:37:27,209 --> 00:37:29,500
Why are we stuck there?
507
00:37:29,667 --> 00:37:33,292
One of the signs that we're losing
in terms of the environmental movement
508
00:37:33,459 --> 00:37:36,167
is when people say:
"I'm just one person, what can I do?"
509
00:37:36,334 --> 00:37:38,875
And everyone knows that
and everyone feels that.
510
00:37:39,209 --> 00:37:44,584
And that's a sign that someone
is feeling so disconnected from their power
511
00:37:44,750 --> 00:37:48,250
that they don't see
that they're not just one person.
512
00:37:48,417 --> 00:37:54,584
And that's one of the most pernicious parts
of the modern green consumer movement:
513
00:37:55,167 --> 00:37:58,875
Is that it reinforces the idea
that you are just one person.
514
00:37:59,209 --> 00:38:01,209
"I'm so sorry. You're just one person.
515
00:38:01,375 --> 00:38:04,250
But, I tell you what, if you buy this
you'll feel just a shitload better."
516
00:38:04,584 --> 00:38:05,834
Yeah!
517
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:11,167
So for me as someone who wants to...
who definitely needs to buy some stuff,
518
00:38:12,167 --> 00:38:16,250
what would be, for me,
the trick to go through all this
519
00:38:16,417 --> 00:38:21,000
and find a way that would be okay?
520
00:38:24,250 --> 00:38:27,250
I'm going to be unkind here
and say that what you are saying is:
521
00:38:27,417 --> 00:38:30,500
How do we keep things the way they are,
but change everything?
522
00:38:33,750 --> 00:38:38,959
You like going to the store but you want to be
sure that when you pick up a pack of Pringles,
523
00:38:39,084 --> 00:38:44,125
it's organic and sustainable Pringles
as opposed to, you know...
524
00:38:45,042 --> 00:38:48,375
So what would be the alternative?
- Maybe not Pringles.
525
00:38:51,750 --> 00:38:53,959
Look, I'm not saying no treats.
526
00:38:54,125 --> 00:38:57,042
Just not something
made by Procter & Gamble.
527
00:38:57,375 --> 00:38:59,500
In order to make Pringles sustainably
528
00:38:59,667 --> 00:39:03,709
the price needs to go up by four or five times,
at least, and probably more.
529
00:39:10,625 --> 00:39:15,209
The thought of having to forgo something
doesn't appeal to me.
530
00:39:15,875 --> 00:39:17,917
Even as a child I didn't like that.
531
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:22,250
Everywhere there are products that,
532
00:39:22,417 --> 00:39:26,792
given how they're produced,
shouldn't really exist at all.
533
00:39:26,959 --> 00:39:32,417
That's true of all types of products: food,
clothing, furniture, household appliances,
534
00:39:32,584 --> 00:39:36,292
electronics for communication
and entertainment and so on.
535
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:39,834
Hi there.
- Morning. How are you?
536
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,167
You've got an appointment, right?
Come on in.
537
00:39:42,334 --> 00:39:43,917
Good morning.
- Morning.
538
00:39:46,542 --> 00:39:49,209
I'm very honoured to meet the King of Junk.
539
00:39:50,792 --> 00:39:53,542
"King of Junk".
- Yeah, exactly.
540
00:39:53,709 --> 00:39:59,625
So which junk is nice for you? Because
you don't take just every junk, I suppose.
541
00:39:59,792 --> 00:40:00,834
No.
542
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,250
There's junk you like
and there's junk you don't like.
543
00:40:03,417 --> 00:40:08,875
Yeah. The new junk is just trash
as far as I'm concerned. You know...
544
00:40:09,042 --> 00:40:10,709
New trash?
545
00:40:10,875 --> 00:40:15,334
It's like... They don't really make
anything that's worth keeping anymore.
546
00:40:15,500 --> 00:40:17,875
You know, it's all plastic and...
547
00:40:18,042 --> 00:40:20,500
You know, there's nothing...
548
00:40:20,834 --> 00:40:24,959
I mean, you go buy a new fan...
It's not going to look like an old fan.
549
00:40:25,125 --> 00:40:27,834
The old fans are all
heavy-duty metal, you know.
550
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,334
That old junk is the good stuff.
551
00:40:31,125 --> 00:40:34,209
Isn't it sad
that people consume so much stuff
552
00:40:34,709 --> 00:40:39,750
they actually don't need and then throw it away
after a very short period of time?
553
00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:46,000
It's sad that some people don't have enough
that they don't even have stuff to throw away.
554
00:40:46,167 --> 00:40:50,000
We have so much
that we don't really realize what we have
555
00:40:50,167 --> 00:40:51,875
and always want something new.
556
00:41:04,625 --> 00:41:06,625
In the Cathedral of Junk,
557
00:41:06,792 --> 00:41:11,459
I begin to realize
that our system is a heap of rubble.
558
00:41:15,209 --> 00:41:17,584
And we are all
right in the middle of it.
559
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:21,875
And by purchasing products,
we play our part in the destruction.
560
00:41:24,042 --> 00:41:26,334
Total anarchy.
- Yes.
561
00:41:28,125 --> 00:41:32,875
In order to prevent us thinking
that such products shouldn't exist
562
00:41:33,042 --> 00:41:35,917
corporations talk about sustainability.
563
00:41:37,292 --> 00:41:39,500
The head of Coca-Cola does it.
564
00:41:41,500 --> 00:41:45,167
Sustainability is absolutely critical
565
00:41:45,334 --> 00:41:48,417
to our business survival and to our growth.
566
00:41:49,042 --> 00:41:51,250
The head of Ikea does it.
567
00:41:51,959 --> 00:41:55,167
Sustainability
is a vital part of our strategy.
568
00:41:56,042 --> 00:41:57,500
Everyone does it.
569
00:41:57,834 --> 00:42:01,584
The way how we're using resources
in a sustainable manner
570
00:42:01,750 --> 00:42:03,584
becomes increasingly important.
571
00:42:04,125 --> 00:42:09,084
I'm convinced that we can create a more
equitable and sustainable world for all of us.
572
00:42:09,417 --> 00:42:12,459
We can create value
safely and sustainably.
573
00:42:13,042 --> 00:42:16,584
It's about creating
a culture of sustainability.
574
00:42:21,250 --> 00:42:24,417
And our governments just look on.
575
00:42:27,250 --> 00:42:29,584
You know what?
You go up here.
576
00:42:30,209 --> 00:42:33,709
And I'll go that way.
- Let's see if we meet up there.
577
00:42:45,584 --> 00:42:49,500
Look at your tower of trash!
So much trash.
578
00:42:49,834 --> 00:42:53,167
Imagine this was all the trash
you produced.
579
00:42:53,334 --> 00:42:57,417
And this tower of trash
was produced by me.
580
00:42:57,584 --> 00:43:00,042
I've probably used
more stuff than you.
581
00:43:00,375 --> 00:43:04,125
Probably.
- Because you're such a goody two shoes.
582
00:43:04,459 --> 00:43:07,667
I think everyone just has to say,
"I've got my trash tower
583
00:43:07,834 --> 00:43:10,959
and you've got yours
on which you're standing."
584
00:43:11,125 --> 00:43:15,709
Instead of saying, "I'm more
ecologically aware than the next person",
585
00:43:15,875 --> 00:43:19,167
we should work together.
586
00:43:21,084 --> 00:43:25,250
And get politicians to rein in industry.
- That's exactly what I'm saying.
587
00:43:25,417 --> 00:43:29,000
We think the same thing.
- You just feel provoked by me.
588
00:43:29,167 --> 00:43:33,125
Because you feel guilty.
- I have a guilty conscience?
589
00:43:33,292 --> 00:43:36,750
Maybe you also feel guilty.
- Of course I feel guilty.
590
00:43:36,917 --> 00:43:42,792
I live within this system
and this society just like you do.
591
00:43:43,125 --> 00:43:45,667
That's the thing about green lies.
592
00:43:45,834 --> 00:43:51,334
I know that certain things aren't
eco-friendly or socially responsible,
593
00:43:51,667 --> 00:43:54,042
but they've been labelled green.
594
00:43:54,375 --> 00:43:58,584
And if I want those things badly enough,
I'm willing to believe it.
595
00:43:58,917 --> 00:44:04,042
Sorry, but I just realized
that I said "your trash heap".
596
00:44:04,375 --> 00:44:07,875
Exactly.
- We always point the finger at others.
597
00:44:08,209 --> 00:44:10,917
That's just it.
We make accusations:
598
00:44:11,084 --> 00:44:13,834
"You're doing this wrong,
you're doing that wrong."
599
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,792
That way we'll never achieve solidarity.
600
00:44:16,959 --> 00:44:22,125
It's a competition to see who's better,
but that's totally counterproductive.
601
00:44:22,459 --> 00:44:25,709
But we also can't say,
602
00:44:25,875 --> 00:44:28,250
"Industry, you are evil. You're bad."
603
00:44:28,417 --> 00:44:30,542
They're also just people
stuck in the system.
604
00:44:30,875 --> 00:44:33,625
We need to involve them as well.
- No.
605
00:44:33,959 --> 00:44:37,417
That's exactly what companies
want us to believe:
606
00:44:37,584 --> 00:44:39,375
that we need to work as partners,
607
00:44:39,542 --> 00:44:42,917
that we need to support the industry
to make them better.
608
00:44:43,084 --> 00:44:45,125
And the result?
Green lies.
609
00:44:45,459 --> 00:44:47,834
We must stop this vicious circle.
610
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,834
We need to be aware
611
00:44:50,167 --> 00:44:54,750
that companies
create harmony to avoid conflict.
612
00:44:55,084 --> 00:44:59,959
But change comes through conflict,
because someone will lose privileges.
613
00:45:00,125 --> 00:45:03,250
Someone will have less profit
614
00:45:03,417 --> 00:45:06,459
if things are eco-friendly
and socially just.
615
00:45:06,625 --> 00:45:08,834
That must be fought for.
616
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,334
You don't get it by being nice
and friendly to companies.
617
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,709
It makes me furious
when corporations claim
618
00:45:27,875 --> 00:45:31,084
that they deal responsibly
with people and nature
619
00:45:31,250 --> 00:45:33,292
and then we find out the opposite.
620
00:45:37,292 --> 00:45:41,125
Hundreds dead in a textile factory fire,
621
00:45:41,292 --> 00:45:44,417
radioactive contamination
after a reactor accident,
622
00:45:44,584 --> 00:45:48,167
pollution after a break in the dam
of a mining company,
623
00:45:48,334 --> 00:45:50,750
and there is no end to it.
624
00:45:51,875 --> 00:45:53,209
Hey.
- Hello.
625
00:45:53,542 --> 00:45:56,584
What's that?
- I've got you a present.
626
00:45:56,750 --> 00:45:59,292
Shellfish?
- Yes, sort of.
627
00:45:59,459 --> 00:46:02,042
Pretty close. Tar balls.
628
00:46:02,709 --> 00:46:04,750
They're everywhere back there.
629
00:46:04,917 --> 00:46:07,542
Tar balls from the oil spill?
- Exactly.
630
00:46:07,709 --> 00:46:10,084
Deepwater Horizon.
- Deepwater Horizon.
631
00:46:10,417 --> 00:46:12,334
They're still lying around?
- Everywhere.
632
00:46:12,500 --> 00:46:16,292
I thought BP had cleaned everything up.
- Yeah, sure!
633
00:46:16,625 --> 00:46:20,500
BP left three quarters of the oil
in the water.
634
00:46:20,667 --> 00:46:23,167
And it keeps washing up here.
635
00:46:23,500 --> 00:46:26,959
You found all that in just a few minutes?
- Yeah.
636
00:46:30,042 --> 00:46:32,625
Neat, right?
I brought you some gloves.
637
00:46:32,792 --> 00:46:36,125
Why do I need gloves?
- Because they're toxic.
638
00:46:36,459 --> 00:46:39,375
The gloves are toxic?
- They probably are, too...
639
00:46:39,542 --> 00:46:41,792
They're toxic.
- They smell toxic.
640
00:46:41,959 --> 00:46:45,167
But this is even worse.
- Let me have a look.
641
00:46:46,250 --> 00:46:48,834
But wash your hands afterwards.
- Okay.
642
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,792
BP has such a pretty
green logo with a sun.
643
00:46:52,375 --> 00:46:55,875
Everybody's logos are green nowadays.
644
00:46:56,042 --> 00:46:59,125
"Beyond Petroleum"
has nothing to do with oil.
645
00:46:59,459 --> 00:47:03,542
Weren't they called "British Petroleum"?
- Until 2004.
646
00:47:03,875 --> 00:47:06,542
Then BP came up
with a huge campaign,
647
00:47:06,709 --> 00:47:10,959
because they thought all the negative
stories and bad news about oil
648
00:47:11,292 --> 00:47:13,375
weren't doing them any good.
649
00:47:13,709 --> 00:47:15,917
So they hired a PR agency
650
00:47:16,625 --> 00:47:20,167
and paid them 200 million US dollars
for the campaign.
651
00:47:20,334 --> 00:47:23,709
"Beyond Petroleum",
as in: "We don't do oil anymore.
652
00:47:24,042 --> 00:47:27,542
We're doing wind power,
and solar energy."
653
00:47:27,709 --> 00:47:29,542
And then this happened...
654
00:47:29,875 --> 00:47:32,917
Yeah. And six years later,
it became clear
655
00:47:33,250 --> 00:47:37,000
that BP's dangerous
core business is oil after all
656
00:47:37,167 --> 00:47:39,042
and that they can't handle it.
657
00:48:00,250 --> 00:48:03,000
I still remember vividly
how stunned I was
658
00:48:03,167 --> 00:48:08,125
when on April 20, 2010
the drilling rig "Deepwater Horizon"
659
00:48:08,292 --> 00:48:11,959
exploded in the Gulf of Mexico
and eleven people died.
660
00:48:12,542 --> 00:48:16,417
Every day, more than 15 million liters
of crude oil gushed out.
661
00:48:16,584 --> 00:48:18,709
For 87 days straight.
662
00:48:19,667 --> 00:48:23,750
The oil slick was equal in size
to the US state of Virginia.
663
00:48:26,334 --> 00:48:30,709
In cases like this, the multinationals
shift the blame onto their subcontractors
664
00:48:31,042 --> 00:48:32,959
and subsidiaries.
665
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:38,875
BP's CEO at the time, Tony Hayward,
had this reaction:
666
00:48:39,417 --> 00:48:41,167
This wasn't our accident.
667
00:48:41,334 --> 00:48:45,834
This was a drilling rig
operated by another company.
668
00:48:46,417 --> 00:48:49,667
It was their people,
their systems, their processes.
669
00:48:49,834 --> 00:48:54,709
We are responsible not for the accident,
but we are responsible for the oil
670
00:48:54,875 --> 00:48:57,959
and for dealing with it
and cleaning the situation up.
671
00:49:02,042 --> 00:49:05,917
BP was convicted by a US court.
672
00:49:06,084 --> 00:49:08,959
But the financial penalties were moderate,
673
00:49:09,125 --> 00:49:13,459
because BP sprayed a chemical on the oil,
674
00:49:13,625 --> 00:49:16,625
thus making most of it
disappear below the surface.
675
00:49:17,292 --> 00:49:20,792
I decided at that point to never fuel
my car at BP again.
676
00:49:20,959 --> 00:49:24,042
I'm Werner. Nice meeting you.
We're looking for Dean.
677
00:49:24,375 --> 00:49:26,417
Dean's office is right there.
- Over there?
678
00:49:43,959 --> 00:49:45,750
How are y'all doing?
679
00:49:45,917 --> 00:49:50,500
The big shrimp king of Louisiana.
Nice meeting you. This is Kathrin. I'm Werner.
680
00:49:50,667 --> 00:49:51,750
Nice to meet you.
681
00:49:51,917 --> 00:49:53,834
You don't seem very busy.
682
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:55,459
No, not anymore.
- What's up?
683
00:49:55,792 --> 00:49:58,209
Well, BP did kill all our seafood.
684
00:49:58,375 --> 00:50:01,417
Is that so?
How did it affect your business?
685
00:50:01,750 --> 00:50:07,459
This was always the best place
for shrimp and fish before BP.
686
00:50:07,625 --> 00:50:12,125
And they just came and destroyed it.
They knocked down 30 years of work.
687
00:50:12,459 --> 00:50:15,000
Would it have been possible
to get the oil out at all?
688
00:50:15,167 --> 00:50:17,292
We told them
we know how to pick up the oil.
689
00:50:17,625 --> 00:50:20,875
We had all the boats ready to pick up
the oil. They didn't want to pick it up.
690
00:50:21,042 --> 00:50:23,084
If you picked up oil, they'd fire you.
691
00:50:23,250 --> 00:50:26,167
Because it was too expensive, or...?
- Because It was too expensive.
692
00:50:26,334 --> 00:50:29,834
I mean they'd have had
to put it in a landfill somewhere.
693
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:34,667
And then it's toxic and nobody wants
a toxic landfill next to your house, I mean...
694
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,750
They don't care about the environment.
All they care about is money. Money, money...
695
00:50:38,917 --> 00:50:40,709
They knew that well was messed up.
696
00:50:40,875 --> 00:50:44,500
They could've slowed down.
They could've fixed the stuff that was broken.
697
00:50:44,667 --> 00:50:49,292
They were greedy. They just wanted to make
money. They didn't care what they'd done.
698
00:50:49,625 --> 00:50:54,667
I knew a lot of people who worked out there.
They called it "the well from hell".
699
00:50:54,834 --> 00:50:58,709
They knew they had trouble.
The workers knew that it was wrong.
700
00:50:58,875 --> 00:51:01,125
And what did BP do?
701
00:51:01,292 --> 00:51:04,917
They turned off all the safety switches
so they could drill faster,
702
00:51:05,625 --> 00:51:10,250
so they could hurry up and get out of there
because the lease was running out.
703
00:51:10,417 --> 00:51:12,000
It was all about money.
704
00:51:12,334 --> 00:51:15,375
You must be furious.
- I'm not happy. I mean, uh...
705
00:51:15,709 --> 00:51:19,000
They should have left it alone,
but they didn't want to do that.
706
00:51:19,167 --> 00:51:22,209
They came and put chemicals
on top of the oil.
707
00:51:22,375 --> 00:51:23,834
That's what we're mad about.
708
00:51:24,167 --> 00:51:27,375
You would think that this chemical,
Corexit, made it worse?
709
00:51:27,542 --> 00:51:32,209
Yeah. They treated us like insects.
They come at night with airplanes.
710
00:51:32,375 --> 00:51:34,959
There's a lot of people who got
real sick down here.
711
00:51:35,125 --> 00:51:37,834
A lot of people left this island
because they couldn't breathe.
712
00:51:38,167 --> 00:51:43,584
We'd cough every night. I mean...
Every night we worry if we're going to die.
713
00:51:43,750 --> 00:51:46,292
We don't know what they did to us.
They don’t know what they did.
714
00:51:46,750 --> 00:51:51,125
If they had never sprayed no chemicals,
I don't think we would never have problems.
715
00:51:51,459 --> 00:51:55,375
I mean, life begins
on the bottom of the sea.
716
00:51:55,834 --> 00:52:00,000
If you really wanted to pick up the oil,
oil will float on top of water.
717
00:52:00,167 --> 00:52:04,375
If you really wanted to do the right thing,
why would you spray and sink it to the bottom?
718
00:52:04,542 --> 00:52:08,667
I'm sure it would be a hell of a lot easier
to pick it up if it's on top of the water
719
00:52:08,834 --> 00:52:11,167
than if it is on the bottom.
720
00:52:13,459 --> 00:52:15,292
I'll show you something.
721
00:52:16,459 --> 00:52:20,417
This is the first boat
that we're unloading today.
722
00:52:22,709 --> 00:52:25,625
We used to get 40 to 50 boats a day.
723
00:52:25,792 --> 00:52:28,292
That's the first one all day long.
724
00:52:31,334 --> 00:52:33,584
I'll show you the shrimp.
725
00:52:36,584 --> 00:52:39,042
What are you looking for?
- Looking for oil.
726
00:52:39,875 --> 00:52:41,500
Oil?
- Yes.
727
00:52:42,250 --> 00:52:43,834
See that dark spot?
728
00:52:44,167 --> 00:52:46,792
This black stuff here.
- Yeah.
729
00:52:47,500 --> 00:52:49,625
But why is this exactly here?
730
00:52:49,959 --> 00:52:55,084
They sit at the bottom. And when they breathe,
that all goes in their lungs right there.
731
00:52:55,417 --> 00:52:57,667
That was never like that before BP.
732
00:52:57,834 --> 00:53:00,209
Did you see that?
- I saw it.
733
00:53:00,667 --> 00:53:05,417
If the oil companies wouldn't mess it up,
it would still be clean, but it's not clean.
734
00:53:08,250 --> 00:53:12,334
After the catastrophe,
the CEO of BP resigned
735
00:53:12,500 --> 00:53:14,709
with a severance package
worth millions.
736
00:53:14,875 --> 00:53:19,167
And under the new CEO,
business was back to normal.
737
00:53:20,459 --> 00:53:24,667
BP's response efforts in the Gulf of Mexico
were unprecedented in scale.
738
00:53:25,292 --> 00:53:28,167
We took responsibility
for the cleanup immediately.
739
00:53:30,375 --> 00:53:34,042
In the same video,
he also talks about the future.
740
00:53:34,375 --> 00:53:38,709
To me, it sounds like a threat
that the destruction will continue.
741
00:53:39,584 --> 00:53:42,500
BP can help by applying
its distinctive skills,
742
00:53:42,667 --> 00:53:45,875
capabilities and technologies
in demanding areas.
743
00:53:46,834 --> 00:53:52,417
This is why we intend to move further into
harsh, remote and complex geographies.
744
00:53:53,375 --> 00:53:58,917
Three years before our visit,
BP declared the cleanup to be finished.
745
00:53:59,792 --> 00:54:02,334
And if oil can still be found,
746
00:54:02,500 --> 00:54:05,709
it must belong to someone else,
they say.
747
00:54:07,917 --> 00:54:10,084
Nice to meet you, sir.
- Nice meeting you.
748
00:54:10,250 --> 00:54:11,959
Nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you.
749
00:54:12,125 --> 00:54:14,292
Kathrin told me that
we're going to the beach.
750
00:54:14,459 --> 00:54:16,417
Yes, sir. We'll go down here and see
751
00:54:16,875 --> 00:54:19,959
what nature has deposited on the beach
for us to look at today.
752
00:54:20,125 --> 00:54:24,209
We'll look at under the naked eye
and then we'll turn a UV light onto it
753
00:54:24,375 --> 00:54:29,042
to see what fluorescent spectrums,
will come off of it, what colours.
754
00:54:30,459 --> 00:54:31,959
All right.
- What's that?
755
00:54:32,125 --> 00:54:35,625
There used to be some stairs
right here that went down.
756
00:54:35,792 --> 00:54:37,917
They took away the stairs?
- Yeah.
757
00:54:38,500 --> 00:54:42,042
I don't know why they would close it off.
It's not illegal for us to be on it.
758
00:54:42,875 --> 00:54:45,834
We'll just access it from that side.
- Okay.
759
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,709
So, we'll walk back this way.
Sorry about that.
760
00:54:49,875 --> 00:54:54,334
We found a lot of tar balls yesterday.
I touched them with gloves.
761
00:54:54,500 --> 00:54:57,375
I would suggest using gloves
because we found
762
00:54:57,709 --> 00:55:02,375
that tar balls themselves are many times more
dangerous than the dispersed oil by itself.
763
00:55:02,709 --> 00:55:06,750
Because it's full of Vibrio vulnificus
bacteria: a flesh-eating bacteria.
764
00:55:07,084 --> 00:55:10,250
In other words, the tar balls,
the hydro-carbons,
765
00:55:10,417 --> 00:55:13,292
select for Vibrio vulnificus.
766
00:55:14,125 --> 00:55:17,417
Which means they kill most of the others,
but the Vibrio still lives.
767
00:55:17,584 --> 00:55:21,417
And we have problems with Vibrio in summer
because once it gets in the high numbers
768
00:55:21,584 --> 00:55:25,917
you can get infected with it.
You can have an arm amputated,
769
00:55:26,084 --> 00:55:27,959
or you can die from the infection.
770
00:55:28,125 --> 00:55:30,250
See? That's what I told you.
771
00:55:30,417 --> 00:55:32,292
And that's what we're seeing down here.
772
00:55:32,834 --> 00:55:36,250
There's scientific technical documents
773
00:55:36,417 --> 00:55:39,584
published in peer-reviewed journals
that are proving this.
774
00:55:43,375 --> 00:55:46,000
And what is BP doing?
- They're trying to control the science.
775
00:55:46,167 --> 00:55:50,250
Control the science, to say it's all good?
- That's right.
776
00:55:50,417 --> 00:55:53,000
It's all good. That's right.
They say...
777
00:55:53,167 --> 00:55:57,209
What they try to do is to say:
"There's no evidence of..."
778
00:55:57,375 --> 00:56:00,250
Well, of course there's no evidence
if you're not looking for it
779
00:56:00,417 --> 00:56:02,750
or if you're looking for it
in the wrong places.
780
00:56:03,084 --> 00:56:07,125
It's like having somebody with a pet in the
house that's made an accident on the floor
781
00:56:07,292 --> 00:56:10,792
and they just didn’t want to pick it up,
they walked around like they never saw it.
782
00:56:10,959 --> 00:56:13,750
I'm like: "It's right there. Don't you see it?"
No, they don't see it.
783
00:56:13,917 --> 00:56:17,334
All these tar balls are right here.
They could easily go out and collect it.
784
00:56:18,792 --> 00:56:20,417
What is that? Oh, yeah.
785
00:56:22,209 --> 00:56:23,875
Is that a tar ball?
- Look, what...
786
00:56:24,042 --> 00:56:27,209
Look, you almost stepped
on another one. And they're everywhere.
787
00:56:27,542 --> 00:56:28,709
Oh my God. Yes.
788
00:56:28,875 --> 00:56:32,084
I heard from BP
that they cleaned up everything.
789
00:56:32,250 --> 00:56:35,000
They finished paying,
they finished cleaning up.
790
00:56:35,334 --> 00:56:41,417
They claim that there's no oil here because
nobody has been able to fingerprint their oil.
791
00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:45,500
So I'm going out here looking for evidence
that we can say:
792
00:56:45,667 --> 00:56:49,709
"This may be BP oil."
What makes BP oil different?
793
00:56:49,875 --> 00:56:54,334
Well, they hit it with a dispersant.
Inside the dispersant, there are glycols.
794
00:56:54,500 --> 00:56:58,084
It's the only introduction of the glycol
that we know about.
795
00:56:58,250 --> 00:57:03,375
We know that if we find the glycols,
that's typically the dispersed oil.
796
00:57:03,542 --> 00:57:06,167
BP is the only one we know
that used the dispersants.
797
00:57:06,334 --> 00:57:08,875
Especially on a scale of a 100 million gallons.
798
00:57:09,042 --> 00:57:13,750
So, the Corexit stuff.
- Corexit. That's what we have to look for.
799
00:57:13,917 --> 00:57:18,459
One way to find out: put the UV light
on it and see if they fluoresce.
800
00:57:18,792 --> 00:57:20,167
We'll kill those lights.
801
00:57:21,959 --> 00:57:24,292
And there's the oranges
that we're looking for.
802
00:57:24,459 --> 00:57:25,792
There?
- Yep.
803
00:57:25,959 --> 00:57:27,667
Yeah, that's bright orange.
804
00:57:27,834 --> 00:57:30,584
And then let's look
at the inside of these bricks.
805
00:57:30,750 --> 00:57:32,792
That's the color that we're looking for.
- Yes.
806
00:57:32,959 --> 00:57:36,834
This, we believe, is the dispersed oil.
So this is why I believe it’s BP.
807
00:57:37,125 --> 00:57:41,042
You can even see
the bluish green ring right there.
808
00:57:41,209 --> 00:57:44,542
Those are the fresher hydrocarbons
that are still left.
809
00:57:44,709 --> 00:57:48,250
That's definitely
what I would claim to be BP oil.
810
00:57:50,875 --> 00:57:52,459
Oh, wait! Don't walk! Don't walk right here!
811
00:57:52,625 --> 00:57:54,584
What's up here?
- Footprints.
812
00:57:54,750 --> 00:57:56,625
What?
- This is a child's footprint.
813
00:57:56,792 --> 00:57:59,000
You see, where they’re walking back and forth?
814
00:57:59,334 --> 00:58:00,750
These are the things
that I've been pointing out:
815
00:58:00,917 --> 00:58:05,584
You've got little kids' footprints walking
by this stuff, through some of these puddles.
816
00:58:05,750 --> 00:58:08,667
Oh my God.
- So these are some of the things we're seeing:
817
00:58:08,834 --> 00:58:14,750
foam, pools of water that are fluorescing
orange in the color of the tar balls,
818
00:58:15,334 --> 00:58:18,292
and children's footprints
right in the middle of them.
819
00:58:18,459 --> 00:58:20,584
These things make me say:
820
00:58:20,750 --> 00:58:25,000
Somebody's got to stand up.
Somebody's got to do something.
821
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:07,584
Morning.
- Morning.
822
00:59:09,500 --> 00:59:13,667
Did you sleep well?
- Yes. How about you?
823
00:59:14,375 --> 00:59:18,042
I had lots of
voodoo petroleum dreams.
824
00:59:19,250 --> 00:59:22,792
Lots of scientists
talking insistently to me.
825
00:59:24,667 --> 00:59:27,000
Oh, that's very kind.
Thank you.
826
00:59:27,625 --> 00:59:29,542
I'm so exhausted.
827
00:59:30,917 --> 00:59:32,750
But... Look.
828
00:59:34,292 --> 00:59:35,667
This?
829
00:59:36,667 --> 00:59:38,750
What sort of spaceship is that?
830
00:59:39,084 --> 00:59:41,209
This, my dear,
831
00:59:41,542 --> 00:59:46,375
will help us get around
more ecologically.
832
00:59:46,709 --> 00:59:49,542
It'll bring us to the station
so we can take a train?
833
00:59:49,709 --> 00:59:51,917
It'll help us use less petroleum.
834
00:59:55,334 --> 01:00:00,292
I've never heard of such a thing.
What's eco-friendly about a racing car?
835
01:00:05,167 --> 01:00:07,417
No wonder I have trouble sleeping.
836
01:00:13,584 --> 01:00:16,000
An electric car.
What more do you want?
837
01:00:16,875 --> 01:00:19,125
Look how it goes.
- For God's sake!
838
01:00:19,292 --> 01:00:22,000
The landscape
is just like a car commercial.
839
01:00:23,667 --> 01:00:26,625
It's the most eco-friendly
car there is.
840
01:00:26,792 --> 01:00:28,417
Says who?
841
01:00:28,584 --> 01:00:30,500
The company.
- Wow.
842
01:00:31,417 --> 01:00:35,584
That's exactly what VW once claimed:
that they have eco-friendly cars.
843
01:00:36,500 --> 01:00:38,667
That's so crooked.
844
01:00:38,834 --> 01:00:43,584
Companies pretend to save the world.
And Tesla does exactly the same thing.
845
01:00:56,750 --> 01:00:58,750
Hi. It's very important
846
01:00:58,917 --> 01:01:01,667
to accelerate the transition
to sustainable transport.
847
01:01:01,834 --> 01:01:03,792
It really, really is...
848
01:01:07,750 --> 01:01:10,917
This is really important
for the future of the world.
849
01:01:11,750 --> 01:01:14,917
We have record-high CO2 levels.
850
01:01:15,875 --> 01:01:21,459
We recently passed over 403 parts
per million of CO2 in the atmosphere.
851
01:01:21,625 --> 01:01:25,625
You can see the chart
and it looks like a vertical line.
852
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:27,459
And it's still climbing.
853
01:01:27,792 --> 01:01:29,459
So to address this,
854
01:01:29,625 --> 01:01:33,500
what we came up with at Tesla
was what we call the 'secret master plan'.
855
01:01:37,959 --> 01:01:41,459
It doesn't lead to a different future.
Things stay as they are.
856
01:01:41,625 --> 01:01:45,625
It's still about private transport,
the joy of driving, fast driving.
857
01:01:45,792 --> 01:01:47,792
And none of it is sustainable.
858
01:01:48,584 --> 01:01:51,709
In this green disguise,
the destruction continues.
859
01:01:51,875 --> 01:01:55,667
We don't recognize
that the pattern itself is harmful
860
01:01:55,834 --> 01:01:58,084
and that we have to change it.
861
01:01:58,250 --> 01:02:01,167
We need to invest more
in local public transportation.
862
01:02:01,334 --> 01:02:03,292
You're such a killjoy!
863
01:02:03,625 --> 01:02:06,750
You always say, "Everything is bad."
864
01:02:06,917 --> 01:02:09,667
No. Just the same bad things
are always bad.
865
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,209
Please, let me enjoy driving.
866
01:02:13,959 --> 01:02:17,209
Then admit that it's about having fun,
not the environment.
867
01:02:17,542 --> 01:02:19,375
It uses no petroleum.
- True.
868
01:02:19,542 --> 01:02:24,334
But it takes an incredible amount
of energy to build electric cars,
869
01:02:24,500 --> 01:02:30,334
which isn't factored in at all.
All they say is: there's no exhaust.
870
01:02:30,667 --> 01:02:32,834
But rare earth is used to manufacture it.
871
01:02:33,167 --> 01:02:36,917
No rare earth in this car.
- At Tesla. That's true.
872
01:02:37,084 --> 01:02:39,959
And what do they use instead?
Lithium.
873
01:02:40,125 --> 01:02:42,209
Lithium, the new petroleum.
874
01:02:42,375 --> 01:02:44,500
According to Goldman Sachs.
875
01:02:44,667 --> 01:02:47,709
And lithium is mined where?
876
01:02:47,875 --> 01:02:52,292
In ecologically sensitive areas in salt lakes
in Argentina, China and Chile.
877
01:02:52,459 --> 01:02:56,084
And its production
consumes so much water
878
01:02:56,250 --> 01:02:59,125
that none is left for farmers
and indigenous people.
879
01:02:59,292 --> 01:03:03,417
Whenever you persistently
do the wrong thing,
880
01:03:03,584 --> 01:03:07,667
but just change the way you do it
with other raw materials and technology,
881
01:03:07,834 --> 01:03:10,834
you add to the damage somewhere else.
882
01:03:11,167 --> 01:03:12,709
You just don't see it.
883
01:03:12,875 --> 01:03:15,625
That's why green lies
work so well.
884
01:03:16,292 --> 01:03:18,584
This looks like a nature reserve,
885
01:03:18,750 --> 01:03:22,792
but in reality it's all contaminated
with petroleum and toxins.
886
01:03:23,125 --> 01:03:27,542
Take this car: you don't see an exhaust
emitting dirt, you don't hear any noise.
887
01:03:27,709 --> 01:03:33,542
But you also don't see
lithium or coal being mined.
888
01:03:33,709 --> 01:03:36,167
Because it happens far away.
- Exactly.
889
01:03:36,334 --> 01:03:41,042
So these steps in the right direction
are supposed to keep everyone happy.
890
01:03:41,375 --> 01:03:45,542
To keep us all in the mood to consume
and to believe
891
01:03:45,709 --> 01:03:51,167
that some green superman will save us
one day with magical technology.
892
01:03:51,500 --> 01:03:53,917
That's the big green lie.
893
01:03:55,250 --> 01:03:59,125
Car advertisements
usually show beautiful landscapes.
894
01:03:59,917 --> 01:04:04,500
We're heading to a place
where we think the car belongs.
895
01:04:56,250 --> 01:05:00,209
The car is shutting down.
Pull over safely.
896
01:05:00,375 --> 01:05:04,334
"Pull over safely."
- Great.
897
01:05:04,667 --> 01:05:06,875
I'm not doing anything.
It's stopping.
898
01:05:07,042 --> 01:05:08,792
You're joking!
899
01:05:11,042 --> 01:05:12,375
Over.
900
01:05:14,584 --> 01:05:17,209
Garzweiler, of all places.
901
01:05:17,375 --> 01:05:21,584
What a wonderfully romantic place
for a power failure.
902
01:05:21,750 --> 01:05:25,334
Yeah, very romantic.
You know why it looks like this here?
903
01:05:25,667 --> 01:05:28,875
This is the largest
opencast coal mine in Germany.
904
01:05:29,042 --> 01:05:32,459
For electricity.
- And why does it look like this?
905
01:05:32,625 --> 01:05:36,459
So you can charge your spaceship
using energy from coal.
906
01:05:36,792 --> 01:05:40,417
Yes.
- Sometimes I wish I could be like you.
907
01:05:40,584 --> 01:05:45,750
So I could find even
the most terrible place really beautiful.
908
01:05:45,917 --> 01:05:50,709
I admire how you can completely block out
what's actually happening.
909
01:05:51,042 --> 01:05:52,459
All this bullshit...
910
01:05:52,625 --> 01:05:56,709
If your indignation could generate power,
we'd all have light!
911
01:05:56,875 --> 01:05:58,750
That's for sure.
912
01:05:59,417 --> 01:06:03,292
RWE, the electric company
this mine belongs to,
913
01:06:03,459 --> 01:06:05,542
has put up a few token wind turbines
914
01:06:05,709 --> 01:06:08,542
to show their interest
in renewable energy.
915
01:06:08,875 --> 01:06:13,750
The truth is: their core business is coal
and they're not about to change that.
916
01:06:13,917 --> 01:06:16,042
That's why it looks like this here.
917
01:06:16,209 --> 01:06:21,792
Fine coal dust contaminates the area
and causes respiratory diseases.
918
01:06:22,125 --> 01:06:25,209
It enters the bloodstream,
increases cancer rates,
919
01:06:25,375 --> 01:06:27,292
and causes miscarriages.
920
01:06:27,459 --> 01:06:30,209
The pollution here travels
as far as Sweden.
921
01:06:30,375 --> 01:06:35,250
RWE simply said,
"We'll get the politicians on our side.
922
01:06:35,584 --> 01:06:38,542
We'll claim that nuclear power
is climate-friendly.
923
01:06:38,709 --> 01:06:42,125
We need coal-fired power plants
in case there's no wind.
924
01:06:42,459 --> 01:06:44,167
We'll produce sleek ads."
925
01:06:44,500 --> 01:06:47,500
They have a great ad
with a giant bouncing around
926
01:06:47,834 --> 01:06:50,375
who spreads happiness
and fixes the world.
927
01:06:50,709 --> 01:06:54,209
He lays green turf to cover disasters
928
01:06:54,375 --> 01:06:56,792
and he blows at wind turbines.
929
01:06:56,959 --> 01:06:59,209
For many years, RWE,
930
01:06:59,375 --> 01:07:03,209
lobbied hard to keep
coal and nuclear power,
931
01:07:03,542 --> 01:07:07,250
but now even RWE has to admit:
932
01:07:07,584 --> 01:07:11,125
"Shit, we produce the most CO2 in Europe."
933
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:15,417
RWE is a great example
934
01:07:15,584 --> 01:07:19,334
of how the industry keeps trying
to hold onto its core business.
935
01:07:19,500 --> 01:07:23,417
For over ten years, they've seen
the renewable energy transition coming.
936
01:07:23,750 --> 01:07:28,750
Big companies are more sluggish
than small ones. That won't change.
937
01:07:29,084 --> 01:07:34,334
But it's the workforce
and the communities that will pay for it,
938
01:07:34,667 --> 01:07:38,084
while the managers take home
their lavish salaries.
939
01:07:42,125 --> 01:07:44,959
What shall we do now?
- We'll walk.
940
01:07:46,667 --> 01:07:49,584
Let's go for a little walk.
Fresh air is good for you.
941
01:07:49,750 --> 01:07:51,459
Fresh air?
- Yeah.
942
01:07:52,125 --> 01:07:54,292
Just a little coal dust.
- A little?
943
01:07:54,459 --> 01:07:59,792
We're talking nitrogen oxide,
CO2, arsenic, mercury...
944
01:08:06,417 --> 01:08:12,000
Companies are making hefty profits
from immense environmental destruction.
945
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:16,834
Some corporations are richer
than entire countries.
946
01:08:19,667 --> 01:08:22,834
Good afternoon. RWE.
- Do you have an invitation?
947
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:24,625
Yes.
- Can I see it?
948
01:08:25,667 --> 01:08:30,209
Strict security.
- I just need a quick look to verify it.
949
01:08:30,834 --> 01:08:33,917
Okay. And you?
- Her name is here as well.
950
01:08:38,792 --> 01:08:40,334
Hello.
- A flyer?
951
01:08:40,500 --> 01:08:41,667
Thanks.
- What's that?
952
01:08:41,834 --> 01:08:43,709
A Greenpeace flyer.
953
01:08:43,875 --> 01:08:46,959
"Leave RWE"?
But I've only just arrived.
954
01:08:47,125 --> 01:08:50,542
Oh, right. Damn.
I didn't think about that.
955
01:08:52,417 --> 01:08:54,417
Hello.
- Would you like a share?
956
01:08:54,584 --> 01:08:56,834
A share? I've always wanted one.
- It's free.
957
01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:59,167
Now we're all in the same boat.
958
01:08:59,500 --> 01:09:04,167
TRANSPARENCY, INNOVATION, SUSTAINABILITY,
CHANGE, SOLAR ENERGY, ENTHUSIASM...
959
01:09:04,792 --> 01:09:09,334
From Garzweiler straight to the source:
the shareholder meeting of RWE.
960
01:09:09,500 --> 01:09:11,917
Exactly.
- That's where the board sits?
961
01:09:12,084 --> 01:09:16,417
The important ones are at the front.
Supervisory board, board of directors...
962
01:09:16,584 --> 01:09:18,625
And these are shareholders.
- Yes.
963
01:09:18,792 --> 01:09:22,375
Small shareholders at the back
and they're the shareholder associations.
964
01:09:22,542 --> 01:09:26,209
And there are the NGOs
that got a ticket to attend the meeting.
965
01:09:27,209 --> 01:09:30,750
Hello. Hi, Werner Boote.
966
01:09:31,084 --> 01:09:33,000
Where do you come from?
- West Virginia.
967
01:09:33,167 --> 01:09:34,709
West Virginia?
- Yes.
968
01:09:34,875 --> 01:09:37,042
So why do you come to this place?
969
01:09:37,834 --> 01:09:43,167
Well, because RWE
is part owner of an operation
970
01:09:43,334 --> 01:09:45,542
that's destroying my home.
- Look.
971
01:09:45,709 --> 01:09:47,167
It's destroying your home?
- Look.
972
01:09:47,334 --> 01:09:51,084
Yes. This is mountaintop removal mining.
973
01:09:52,542 --> 01:09:56,084
This is...
I took these photos just last week.
974
01:09:56,667 --> 01:09:58,292
This is what they're doing.
975
01:09:58,459 --> 01:10:02,792
So, RWE owns
a significant share of this operation.
976
01:10:03,125 --> 01:10:05,584
There's a lot of pollution, I guess?
- There’s a lot of pollution.
977
01:10:05,750 --> 01:10:08,375
This is what it's doing to the water.
978
01:10:09,542 --> 01:10:10,834
Oh my God.
- Excuse me?
979
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:15,584
This is what it's doing to the water
that comes from his kitchen sink like that.
980
01:10:15,750 --> 01:10:17,417
From the kitchen sink?
- Yes.
981
01:10:17,750 --> 01:10:19,834
You have to question the integrity of a company
982
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:22,625
that talks about themselves
as becoming increasingly green.
983
01:10:22,792 --> 01:10:26,167
And while the rest of the world
went to Paris last year and agreed
984
01:10:26,334 --> 01:10:29,375
that climate change is real
and we have to do something about it,
985
01:10:29,542 --> 01:10:35,584
here's a company that owns 10% of one of the
dirtiest forms of fossil fuels on the planet.
986
01:10:35,750 --> 01:10:38,834
Where is the integrity of this company?
987
01:10:42,667 --> 01:10:44,834
It looks like a parliament.
988
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:48,000
And here he comes:
the great dictator.
989
01:10:48,875 --> 01:10:52,000
Dear shareholders
990
01:10:52,500 --> 01:10:55,459
and members of the RWE Investors' Club,
991
01:10:57,417 --> 01:11:00,959
ladies and gentlemen, RWE is
already greener than many people think.
992
01:11:02,917 --> 01:11:07,292
2015 was a year
that threatened our survival.
993
01:11:08,125 --> 01:11:11,834
SAVE HAMBACHER FOREST
994
01:11:12,834 --> 01:11:15,209
Look, look! Look over there!
995
01:11:15,959 --> 01:11:18,084
PHASE OUT RWE
TO PHASE OUT COAL
996
01:11:18,250 --> 01:11:19,667
We hear you.
997
01:11:34,209 --> 01:11:36,584
I hereby expel you
from this auditorium.
998
01:11:36,750 --> 01:11:42,667
And I ask the RWE staff
to remove you from the premises.
999
01:11:56,584 --> 01:11:59,542
Please take your camera
to the press area.
1000
01:11:59,959 --> 01:12:01,584
You want us to leave?
- Right now.
1001
01:12:01,750 --> 01:12:06,000
But I'm invited as a regular spectator.
- Go to the press area.
1002
01:12:10,750 --> 01:12:15,125
So, I think those were a few late risers
who've just woken up.
1003
01:12:22,875 --> 01:12:26,334
The power of corporations
must come to an end.
1004
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:38,250
But our current system helps
1005
01:12:38,584 --> 01:12:41,209
corporations become
more and more powerful.
1006
01:12:48,250 --> 01:12:50,084
What needs to change?
1007
01:12:50,250 --> 01:12:55,209
Kathrin and I want to ask someone
who's been studying this question for years.
1008
01:12:55,917 --> 01:12:59,584
He's one of the greatest intellectuals
in the world.
1009
01:13:05,084 --> 01:13:09,167
Noam Chomsky is a professor at the
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
1010
01:13:09,334 --> 01:13:12,459
and a prominent critic of globalization.
1011
01:13:17,167 --> 01:13:19,500
You must be very busy, I suppose.
1012
01:13:20,209 --> 01:13:21,959
As you can see.
1013
01:13:28,792 --> 01:13:33,500
Greenwashing started
sometime in the beginning of the 1970s.
1014
01:13:34,875 --> 01:13:38,750
That's when the beginnings of concern
with the environment
1015
01:13:38,917 --> 01:13:42,459
began to be raised
among the general population.
1016
01:13:42,625 --> 01:13:45,792
Of course, power systems
have to respond in some fashion
1017
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,459
if they're going to maintain their control.
1018
01:13:48,625 --> 01:13:52,375
So what is the power
of corporates today built on?
1019
01:13:52,709 --> 01:13:58,500
Their power is based
on their control of capital
1020
01:13:58,667 --> 01:14:01,834
and their control of investment decisions,
1021
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:06,042
their massive influence on governments
1022
01:14:06,209 --> 01:14:08,917
which derives from the private power.
1023
01:14:09,125 --> 01:14:12,084
That's basically
the nature of state capitalism,
1024
01:14:12,250 --> 01:14:15,209
but it's extended and dramatized
1025
01:14:15,375 --> 01:14:21,292
under the neoliberal policies of the last
generation, which have sharply escalated this.
1026
01:14:21,625 --> 01:14:24,084
We have all those companies
1027
01:14:24,250 --> 01:14:28,000
telling you that they only have
sustainable products,
1028
01:14:28,167 --> 01:14:31,792
that they're extremely fair
and doing their best.
1029
01:14:31,959 --> 01:14:35,584
And the question is:
How do we need to deal with green lies?
1030
01:14:35,917 --> 01:14:40,417
To recognize that
the proposals may be worthwhile.
1031
01:14:40,750 --> 01:14:45,542
Maybe it's good not to use plastic bags.
The oceans are getting full of them. Good.
1032
01:14:45,875 --> 01:14:51,209
But if that is being proposed
by a powerful institution
1033
01:14:51,542 --> 01:14:55,292
with the intention of showing you
how nice and benevolent they are,
1034
01:14:55,459 --> 01:14:56,959
then reject it.
1035
01:14:57,125 --> 01:15:00,375
Follow the proposal
but reject the propaganda.
1036
01:15:00,709 --> 01:15:05,042
But the real problem is
working very eminently
1037
01:15:05,209 --> 01:15:08,250
to bring about
the kind of institutional change
1038
01:15:08,417 --> 01:15:12,250
which will eliminate
the necessity for green lies
1039
01:15:12,959 --> 01:15:16,584
by placing power systems
under popular control.
1040
01:15:17,417 --> 01:15:20,417
What do we need to change?
How do we need to do that?
1041
01:15:20,750 --> 01:15:27,459
If a business was owned
and managed by its workforce
1042
01:15:27,625 --> 01:15:33,875
and was part of a system of self-governing
communities which interacted,
1043
01:15:34,042 --> 01:15:36,875
then their goals
could be the public good.
1044
01:15:37,167 --> 01:15:39,000
So a democratic system
1045
01:15:39,167 --> 01:15:44,459
in which the economy was democratized
and under public control
1046
01:15:44,625 --> 01:15:47,584
would have something like profit,
1047
01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:52,750
meaning a company would have to provide,
and sustain its workforce.
1048
01:15:53,084 --> 01:15:58,667
But not a system in which we end up in a world
with, according to the latest figures,
1049
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:03,125
eight people owning as much
as half the population of the world.
1050
01:16:03,292 --> 01:16:07,000
That's a special property
of private capitalism.
1051
01:16:08,042 --> 01:16:12,542
So one of the aims should be
to get rid of transnational corporations?
1052
01:16:12,875 --> 01:16:14,834
Or the domestic ones.
- Yes.
1053
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:19,917
In fact, why, any, any...
Just like any other kind of hierarchy.
1054
01:16:20,250 --> 01:16:22,667
But how likely would that be?
1055
01:16:22,834 --> 01:16:27,125
It's kind of as if you were asking
in the 16th century:
1056
01:16:27,292 --> 01:16:30,542
How likely is parliamentary democracy?
1057
01:16:30,709 --> 01:16:35,750
Every issue that has
ever been faced in human history,
1058
01:16:36,084 --> 01:16:39,334
whether it's slavery, civil rights,
1059
01:16:39,500 --> 01:16:44,084
women's rights, popular democracy,
1060
01:16:44,250 --> 01:16:47,500
you pick it, whatever it is,
you've got to struggle for it.
1061
01:16:47,834 --> 01:16:51,750
Do you think it is something which definitely
will come or is it just a question of time?
1062
01:16:51,959 --> 01:16:54,167
No, not definitely at all
1063
01:16:54,500 --> 01:16:58,959
What's likely to come,
as current tendencies continue,
1064
01:16:59,125 --> 01:17:05,542
is essentially the destruction of the
possibilities for organized, civilized life.
1065
01:17:05,709 --> 01:17:07,625
And not in the far future.
1066
01:17:07,959 --> 01:17:13,167
There's still no legislation
for bringing the industry to court
1067
01:17:13,334 --> 01:17:17,084
when they claim this product
is sustainable and green.
1068
01:17:17,417 --> 01:17:21,875
Good, then spend your time working
to create that popular organization.
1069
01:17:22,042 --> 01:17:25,625
Maybe I should do a film.
- Maybe. That’s a good idea.
1070
01:17:25,792 --> 01:17:28,625
Maybe I should ask you
to participate in it.
1071
01:17:28,792 --> 01:17:30,500
That's a way of doing it.
1072
01:17:30,667 --> 01:17:32,625
It's by no means hopeless.
1073
01:17:32,792 --> 01:17:36,542
There have been
plenty of successes over the years.
1074
01:17:36,709 --> 01:17:38,959
But they don't happen by themselves.
1075
01:17:44,584 --> 01:17:47,917
In theory, it all sounds very easy.
1076
01:17:48,792 --> 01:17:52,500
But today, corporations hold
the same positions of power
1077
01:17:52,667 --> 01:17:56,792
as absolutist emperors
and kings in times gone by.
1078
01:18:00,709 --> 01:18:03,500
And governments and institutions
1079
01:18:03,667 --> 01:18:06,334
are mere stooges of industry.
1080
01:18:21,250 --> 01:18:25,250
Everything is so complicated.
- But it isn't complicated.
1081
01:18:25,417 --> 01:18:29,625
It is, and what makes it even more
complicated is when you sit there
1082
01:18:29,792 --> 01:18:32,750
and tell me
that it's not that complicated.
1083
01:18:33,500 --> 01:18:35,084
That really gets to me.
1084
01:18:35,667 --> 01:18:40,500
I think you have
too many negative thoughts.
1085
01:18:40,667 --> 01:18:43,000
I have too many negative thoughts?
- Yes.
1086
01:18:43,334 --> 01:18:47,167
Because you think
the status quo shouldn't be challenged
1087
01:18:47,334 --> 01:18:52,209
or everything will be forbidden
or you'll have to give up everything.
1088
01:18:53,584 --> 01:18:58,792
People have to be willing to make
changes, or nothing will happen.
1089
01:18:58,959 --> 01:19:03,125
It's not as if people
feel helpless or alone,
1090
01:19:03,292 --> 01:19:07,667
or don't set up movements together
1091
01:19:07,834 --> 01:19:11,709
because they're too lazy or too stupid.
1092
01:19:11,875 --> 01:19:16,792
Sometimes people are preoccupied
with insecure jobs,
1093
01:19:16,959 --> 01:19:19,625
or financial worries...
1094
01:19:19,959 --> 01:19:24,792
So they might not have the courage
or they have other worries.
1095
01:19:25,417 --> 01:19:28,292
There's a connection.
And consumerism
1096
01:19:28,625 --> 01:19:31,917
hides everything
under a thick layer of cotton candy.
1097
01:19:32,625 --> 01:19:34,000
True.
1098
01:19:43,625 --> 01:19:46,209
We need to get rid of
cotton-candy consumerism
1099
01:19:46,375 --> 01:19:50,459
and realize that the system
is murderous.
1100
01:19:50,625 --> 01:19:54,917
It destroys nature,
the basis of our own lives.
1101
01:19:55,834 --> 01:20:00,500
In the current system,
human beings don't matter.
1102
01:20:02,542 --> 01:20:06,750
We're meeting the chief
of the indigenous peoples of Brazil.
1103
01:20:08,792 --> 01:20:10,750
I'm going to drive. Let's go.
1104
01:20:11,542 --> 01:20:13,709
He's a good driver. Don't worry.
1105
01:20:15,875 --> 01:20:19,917
You've never been here.
There are only very bad roads.
1106
01:20:23,292 --> 01:20:25,709
You're always on your phone, Sonia.
1107
01:20:27,125 --> 01:20:28,375
Really?
1108
01:20:30,500 --> 01:20:32,709
I have to read the news
1109
01:20:33,834 --> 01:20:38,584
about the investigations.
1110
01:20:38,750 --> 01:20:41,250
What kind of investigations?
1111
01:20:41,417 --> 01:20:45,500
There's lots of violence in Mato Grosso do Sul.
1112
01:20:45,667 --> 01:20:49,459
Every day, indigenous people are murdered.
1113
01:20:49,625 --> 01:20:52,292
So we must be very careful.
1114
01:20:52,792 --> 01:20:56,959
But why is it in Mato Grosso do Sul
where the violence is so severe?
1115
01:20:57,334 --> 01:21:01,875
Because this is the state
where the most cattle are bred.
1116
01:21:02,209 --> 01:21:04,542
The largest cattle ranches are located here.
1117
01:21:04,709 --> 01:21:08,584
Almost all the farms here
1118
01:21:08,750 --> 01:21:13,125
are on traditional indigenous territory.
1119
01:21:19,042 --> 01:21:24,584
In Brazil, you can clearly see
how the global economic system works.
1120
01:21:25,417 --> 01:21:28,375
In order to enable
powerful companies to deliver
1121
01:21:28,709 --> 01:21:34,167
more and more meat, soy, corn and sugarcane
to the world with their little green labels,
1122
01:21:34,500 --> 01:21:38,542
rainforests are cleared here
and human rights violated.
1123
01:21:42,084 --> 01:21:44,959
The indigenous peoples want justice.
1124
01:21:45,125 --> 01:21:47,792
The land is rightfully theirs,
1125
01:21:47,959 --> 01:21:51,334
but it's simply taken away
from them and never returned.
1126
01:21:54,375 --> 01:21:58,834
The big farmers cling to the profits
and hire gangs of thugs.
1127
01:22:00,500 --> 01:22:03,959
Corrupt politicians ensure
that the military police
1128
01:22:04,125 --> 01:22:06,709
fight for the wrong side.
1129
01:22:18,542 --> 01:22:20,375
In the name of profit,
1130
01:22:20,542 --> 01:22:24,750
people and nature around the world
are simply displaced.
1131
01:22:27,292 --> 01:22:31,042
These are the huts of the indigenous people.
1132
01:22:31,209 --> 01:22:34,334
They live between the asphalt
1133
01:22:34,500 --> 01:22:36,625
and the huge monocultures.
1134
01:22:36,792 --> 01:22:39,667
There's no other place for them to go.
1135
01:22:42,417 --> 01:22:43,834
Where are we going to?
1136
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:47,750
To the indigenous area of Nioaque.
1137
01:22:48,500 --> 01:22:50,917
To the joint gathering of indigenous people.
1138
01:22:51,084 --> 01:22:53,292
I think it's the sixth gathering.
1139
01:22:53,459 --> 01:22:56,625
The people of Terena organize it every year.
1140
01:22:57,542 --> 01:22:59,459
It's the eighth.
1141
01:23:00,250 --> 01:23:01,584
Really?
1142
01:23:02,542 --> 01:23:07,167
You're right. True, it's the eighth.
1143
01:23:20,709 --> 01:23:24,959
Now we want to welcome our sister:
1144
01:23:25,542 --> 01:23:27,625
Sonia Guajajara.
1145
01:23:27,959 --> 01:23:32,917
Let's give her a big round of applause,
1146
01:23:35,584 --> 01:23:40,875
the leader of the Association
of the Indigenous Peoples of Brazil.
1147
01:24:06,917 --> 01:24:10,000
Good evening, everyone.
1148
01:24:11,292 --> 01:24:14,250
Or: "Zané pitô" in Guajajara.
1149
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:17,709
I'd like to tell you something.
1150
01:24:18,042 --> 01:24:21,250
Every day, the Guarani Kaiowa are threatened,
1151
01:24:21,417 --> 01:24:24,709
killed and murdered.
1152
01:24:25,334 --> 01:24:31,542
And what's being done to you here
is happening throughout Brazil.
1153
01:24:32,125 --> 01:24:35,042
This hatred and this anger against us
1154
01:24:35,209 --> 01:24:38,625
only exists because we want
1155
01:24:38,959 --> 01:24:41,792
to live well on our own land.
1156
01:24:42,084 --> 01:24:44,459
Yes, we have partners and allies.
1157
01:24:44,625 --> 01:24:47,709
But the driving force must come from us,
1158
01:24:48,042 --> 01:24:50,417
from our base, from our own roots,
1159
01:24:50,750 --> 01:24:53,459
from the alliance of our peoples.
1160
01:24:54,125 --> 01:24:56,375
I'm very happy
1161
01:24:56,542 --> 01:25:00,292
that I'm spending three days here with you.
1162
01:25:00,625 --> 01:25:02,250
Thank you, everyone.
1163
01:25:12,084 --> 01:25:15,000
In the many lectures and panels
that take place here,
1164
01:25:15,167 --> 01:25:18,084
I learn about
alternative economic models
1165
01:25:18,417 --> 01:25:21,875
that are already being tested
all over the world.
1166
01:25:24,625 --> 01:25:27,542
The vitality of the people
gives me courage.
1167
01:25:27,709 --> 01:25:33,167
It's as if it weren't so hard to find
new social and economic structures
1168
01:25:33,334 --> 01:25:36,875
that put people
and the environment first.
1169
01:25:43,667 --> 01:25:45,125
What is a good life?
1170
01:25:45,292 --> 01:25:48,834
It all depends on what you're used to.
1171
01:25:49,750 --> 01:25:55,125
To us, a good life
doesn't mean owning a car.
1172
01:25:55,459 --> 01:25:59,542
We're not always concerned with possessions.
1173
01:26:00,084 --> 01:26:03,209
To us, a good life means
1174
01:26:03,375 --> 01:26:06,209
freely inhabiting our lands
1175
01:26:06,375 --> 01:26:10,125
and enjoying what the earth offers us.
1176
01:26:10,292 --> 01:26:12,167
That's what I call a good life.
1177
01:26:12,334 --> 01:26:14,875
But for that, we need a guarantee
1178
01:26:15,042 --> 01:26:16,542
that the land is ours.
1179
01:26:16,709 --> 01:26:20,417
We need to be safe from invasion.
1180
01:26:20,584 --> 01:26:22,667
Without relentless exploitation
1181
01:26:22,834 --> 01:26:25,084
in the name of capitalism and money.
1182
01:26:25,709 --> 01:26:30,792
While we fight
for an intact environment,
1183
01:26:30,959 --> 01:26:37,459
other people think differently.
They want to exploit the land.
1184
01:26:38,042 --> 01:26:41,209
These are different viewpoints.
1185
01:26:41,375 --> 01:26:47,750
We plant trees
and leave them to grow to create better air.
1186
01:26:47,917 --> 01:26:52,959
While others see the tree and ask,
"How much money is that worth?"
1187
01:26:53,292 --> 01:26:58,584
Do you think people in Europe
would really lose out on anything
1188
01:26:58,750 --> 01:27:00,584
if you get justice?
1189
01:27:01,334 --> 01:27:04,459
No one would lose out. That's an illusion.
1190
01:27:05,084 --> 01:27:08,084
We humans can adapt
1191
01:27:08,250 --> 01:27:11,042
to other things and conditions.
1192
01:27:11,834 --> 01:27:13,959
There must be a better system.
1193
01:27:14,584 --> 01:27:19,250
The system controls the people,
and we can't allow this.
1194
01:27:19,417 --> 01:27:22,250
The people must control the system.
1195
01:27:23,250 --> 01:27:25,792
It's how easy it is?
1196
01:27:25,959 --> 01:27:28,959
No, that's not what I'm saying.
1197
01:27:29,125 --> 01:27:33,084
Everything is difficult,
so we fight every day...
1198
01:27:33,250 --> 01:27:34,875
Because it's difficult.
1199
01:27:35,042 --> 01:27:38,334
If it were easy, it wouldn't mean anything us,
1200
01:27:38,500 --> 01:27:40,959
because we are the powerful ones.
1201
01:27:42,250 --> 01:27:44,667
That's why we've been given this task.
1202
01:27:44,834 --> 01:27:49,042
We must keep at it,
talk about it every day,
1203
01:27:49,209 --> 01:27:52,500
travel around and tell the world about it.
1204
01:28:12,792 --> 01:28:17,042
Solidarity, strength and determination.
1205
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:21,917
That's what human beings
are capable of.
1206
01:28:27,500 --> 01:28:31,334
And we need a lot, too, because
the profiteers of the old system
1207
01:28:31,500 --> 01:28:36,000
will continue to strut around,
telling green lies.
1208
01:28:39,042 --> 01:28:43,375
The perseverance of the indigenous peoples
should be an example to us.
1209
01:28:43,834 --> 01:28:48,959
We have a mission, each and every one of us.
1210
01:28:49,125 --> 01:28:52,292
It's written in the palm of your hand.
1211
01:28:52,459 --> 01:28:58,000
Never give in to those who have nothing to say
1212
01:28:58,167 --> 01:29:00,667
except to call others useless.
1213
01:29:01,584 --> 01:29:03,167
Never give in!
1214
01:29:03,917 --> 01:29:05,500
Never give in!
1215
01:29:06,084 --> 01:29:08,209
I know what I must do in this life.
1216
01:29:08,375 --> 01:29:10,584
I know which side I belong to.
1217
01:29:10,917 --> 01:29:15,084
And I'm grateful to our people,
mainly to our youth.
1218
01:29:15,250 --> 01:29:18,834
Open your eyes! Open your eyes!
1219
01:29:19,167 --> 01:29:21,667
Because we're often surrounded by people
1220
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:25,250
who claim to be our friends,
1221
01:29:25,584 --> 01:29:27,250
when really they are traitors.
1222
01:29:27,417 --> 01:29:30,292
They praise us to our faces,
1223
01:29:30,459 --> 01:29:34,042
but speak ill of us behind our backs.
1224
01:29:34,209 --> 01:29:37,709
We know that this sort of thing happens.
1225
01:29:37,875 --> 01:29:41,917
That's what I wanted to say.
1226
01:29:42,625 --> 01:29:43,875
Thank you.
1227
01:29:56,000 --> 01:30:00,334
Kathrin and I are dreaming
of putting an end to the "green lie".
1228
01:30:03,292 --> 01:30:05,875
Environmental protection
and human rights
1229
01:30:06,209 --> 01:30:09,417
must be more than lip service
from the industry.
1230
01:30:10,250 --> 01:30:12,542
The rights of nature and of people
1231
01:30:12,709 --> 01:30:17,792
must be legally secured
in the global democratic economic system.
1232
01:30:27,667 --> 01:30:29,667
Here we are.
1233
01:30:30,500 --> 01:30:34,917
This area here belonged to our village.
1234
01:30:35,084 --> 01:30:37,792
We will take it back
1235
01:30:37,959 --> 01:30:39,834
in order to use it again.
1236
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:42,667
The big farmers are guilty.
1237
01:30:42,834 --> 01:30:44,542
They're using our land.
1238
01:30:44,875 --> 01:30:47,584
This doesn't serve our village community.
1239
01:30:47,875 --> 01:30:50,750
They must return the land.
1240
01:30:50,917 --> 01:30:53,959
That is our right under the constitution.
1241
01:30:55,750 --> 01:31:00,000
While speaking to Estevinho,
Chief of the Terena,
1242
01:31:00,167 --> 01:31:04,584
it becomes clear to us that everything
that destroys our livelihood
1243
01:31:04,750 --> 01:31:09,834
and doesn't serve our well-being
must be fought and brought to an end.
1244
01:31:11,875 --> 01:31:16,542
We gather 300 to 500 warriors
1245
01:31:16,709 --> 01:31:19,250
and tell the people using our land,
1246
01:31:19,417 --> 01:31:24,542
"Sorry, but that's our land.
You've got this many days to leave."
1247
01:31:33,250 --> 01:31:37,375
All over the world, many people
and many organizations
1248
01:31:37,542 --> 01:31:39,500
are ready to fight.
1249
01:31:40,084 --> 01:31:42,500
Sometimes they sue us
1250
01:31:42,667 --> 01:31:46,959
because they want to keep the land.
1251
01:31:48,250 --> 01:31:51,375
They lie, they bribe people.
1252
01:31:51,542 --> 01:31:56,500
We are penniless,
but we have partners and allies.
1253
01:31:56,834 --> 01:32:02,250
We've stood up
and have already won back seven farms.
1254
01:32:02,417 --> 01:32:04,917
Now we'll get the others back as well.
1255
01:32:37,084 --> 01:32:39,959
What do we want?
- Revolution!
1256
01:32:40,292 --> 01:32:44,292
And you're there, too?
- Yes, there are quite a lot of people.
1257
01:32:44,459 --> 01:32:48,250
So cool.
- It's a huge crowd, and more are coming.
1258
01:32:48,834 --> 01:32:52,334
System change not climate change!
1259
01:32:52,875 --> 01:32:55,667
What do we want?
- Climate justice.
1260
01:32:55,834 --> 01:32:57,875
When do we want it?
- Now!
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