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# You've got to get up every morning
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# With a smile on your face
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# And show the world
all the love in your heart
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# And people are going
to treat you better
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# You're going to find
Yes, you will
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# That you're beautiful
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# As you feel. #
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I think I was kind of innocent
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and I had the notions of the world
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and what being a girl was
from the '50s.
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We were all brought up
to be cute and popular
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and marry the nice boy
who was going to make a lot of money
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and there wasn't an emphasis
on what WE were going to do.
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I was brought up to know that I was
probably going to be a teacher.
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I had teachers in my family.
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# I feel the Earth move
under my feet
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# I feel the sky tumbling down
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# I feel my heart start to trembling
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# Whenever you're around. #
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I became Carole King and I was
confident about what I could do.
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I liked the idea of writing songs
so that I would be recognised
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and respected by the people
who sang them.
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And that's really what drove it -
I can do that.
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And I did.
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# You just call out my name
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# And you know, wherever I am
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# I'll come running. #
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BARACK OBAMA: By the age of four,
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Carole was already mastering
the piano.
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By 15, she'd already conducted
her first orchestra.
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By 17, she'd already written
her first number one hit.
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To date, Carole has written
more than 400 compositions
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that have been recorded
by over 1,000 artists,
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resulting in over 100 hits.
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# You've got a friend. #
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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
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APPLAUSE
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# Tonight, you're mine completely
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# You give your love so sweetly
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# Tonight the light
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# Of love is in your eyes
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# But will you love me tomorrow? #
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My mother had a piano, you know,
right from before I was born.
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And so I was able to play it
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and work on it by ear
and write little ditties.
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But my mother also had been trained
in piano, so she trained me.
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She loved music
and conveyed that to me
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and I was born with
the receptive gene!
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So she would be the single
most important influence.
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She had a great record collection.
She loved show tunes.
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So early on, I got familiar with,
you know, South Pacific, Oklahoma,
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the great Rodgers and Hammerstein
musicals,
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and I would even sing commercials.
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# Winston tastes good
like a cigarette should. #
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I had no idea
what I was singing about.
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My dad was a good father.
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He nurtured in me that sense
that I could do anything
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and I better do it with excellence.
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My parents,
they never made me think
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I couldn't do anything
because I was a girl.
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I played with the boys on the
street. I was kind of tomboyish.
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In high school, I was the girl who
the guys wanted to be friends with.
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I wasn't the one
that they wanted to date.
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Every high school in Brooklyn during
the '50s had a rock and roll group.
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They were all over the place.
They were proliferating.
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Danny and the Juniors
were singing in the Bronx
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and Neil Sedaka, at that time
with The Tokens,
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were singing
at a Lincoln High School.
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I think I was 15
when I formed my first group,
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which was The Cosines.
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It was, you know, we had
math books - oh, cosines.
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So whatever year
I took trigonometry.
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We performed at school dances
and parties.
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Anywhere we kind of had a chance
or, you know, school shows.
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She was the singer,
she was the writer,
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she was the piano player
for the group
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and she wanted this,
she wanted this as a career.
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I was inspired
by the Alan Freed shows.
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I saw these shows and I'm like,
I can do that.
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And I didn't ever
want to be a singer.
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I didn't want to be famous.
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Fame didn't appeal to me.
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I liked the idea of writing songs
so that I would be recognised
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and respected by the people
who sang them.
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In those days, you could be a kid,
as Carole was,
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16-years-old,
coming from Brooklyn
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and go into 1650 Broadway
or into the Brill Building,
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one of the two buildings
that people think of
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when they're talking about the Brill
Building sound in Times Square,
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that used to be where
the Tin Pan Alley songwriters
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came in the '20s
to sell their songs.
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You could walk in
and they had a piano in the room
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and you'd sit down
and you'd play and they'd go,
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"That's great, kid.
I'll take that song. Here's $25."
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And I was in the waiting room
and there was this kid there.
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She looked like she was
about 15-years-old. In jeans.
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And I started to talk with her.
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And I thought to myself, God,
this girl is so confident.
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And I said to myself,
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if this girl has talent,
she's going to be a huge star.
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And it happened to be Carole.
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She was simply being paid
to write songs
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for top groups
that needed songs
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because in those days, there were
very few singer-songwriters.
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That phenomenon had not
yet really occurred.
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It was made-to-order songwriting.
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You know, you were either
writing for a specific artist
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or you were writing a song that
the publisher you were working for
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would go out and shop
to various singers.
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You know, there was
a breakdown in those days
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between who wrote the song
and who sang it.
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# I don't remember
just exactly how it started. #
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I just saw him and I was like,
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"Oh, my God, he looks like
the picture of a boy
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"I've been carrying around
in my wallet,
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"that I...was a drawing
in a magazine!"
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He was very handsome.
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# It doesn't make
a bit of sense to me
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# Why should two people in love
have to be
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# Like little children. #
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They were married very young.
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Very, very young, when they were
teenagers, because she got pregnant.
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# Who just can't help but fight
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# Why should two grown people... #
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He definitely came
at a time in my life
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when I needed somebody to write
better lyrics than "Baby, baby".
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Aldon Music was a music publishing
company that was started
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by two fellas -
Don Kirshner and Al Nevins.
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So the Aldon
is Al and Don together.
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And they built up
such a great reputation.
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Don Kirshner was the best publisher
that I've ever come across.
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And the company became so powerful
that he would get record companies
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to promise him the backside of
a record just to get our material.
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In those days,
records had two sides.
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That's right, there were things
called records too, I forgot! Yes!
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They had two sides. Right.
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So it really became THE publishing
company in New York City.
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Donny Kirshner,
who was a great publisher,
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who had a really good ear.
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That group of writers -
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Barry Mann,
Cynthia Weil, Howie Greenfield,
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Neil Sedaka, Carole, Gerry,
and some others in that group,
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they had 36 top ten records
in three years.
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You know, it's historic.
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# One fine day
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# You'll look at me
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# And you will know
our love was meant be
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# One fine day
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# You're going to want me
for your girl. #
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All of us then were fans
of American music
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and would study every detail
of the label.
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And of course,
the names Goffin and King
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kept occurring
in those little brackets
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under some of our
very favourite songs.
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Goffin and King
wrote songs to order.
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It was like, OK,
somebody needs a hit,
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you know, you write the song.
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I hate the word "factory".
I really hate it.
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It was a songwriting school.
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You went in in the morning
and you know,
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went to your cubicle
or your little office,
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there was a piano there
and one of you sat there
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and the other one, you know,
jotted down some words
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and you both sang or one of you sang
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and you tried to come up with songs.
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Like that,
but it's got to be harder.
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You know, when we write the lyric to
it, it will be different.
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# La-la-la-la-la-la-la-la. #
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Then sing again.
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# La-la-la-la-la-la. #
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On the right side of the main room,
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there were about four
different cubicles
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and the cubicles would have, like,
an upright piano and a piano stool
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and one chair and an ashtray
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because everybody smoked
like crazy back then.
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And it's amazing
that we didn't get cancer.
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And... There's still time.
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Yes. Thank you!
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Cynthia Weil and Barry Mann,
who is her husband,
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and Gerry Goffin and I,
were a pair of writing teams
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that wrote for Don Kirshner.
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Up On The Roof for them,
On Broadway for us,
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You've Lost That Loving Feeling
for us...
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Walking In The Rain for us,
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Blame It On The Bossa Nova
for us...
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Natural Woman for them.
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Right. Hey Girl for them.
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Yeah. Don't Say Nothing
Bad About My Baby was them.
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They'd start and finish
and there was no like,
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"Well, let's work on it for a few
days and see what we come up with."
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There was none of that. It was,
like, they'd start, they'd finish.
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And some of the best songs you
ever heard done in 20 minutes.
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Carole always said, "If they
didn't write it, we wrote it."
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The thing that is incredible
and the thing that I love
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about Carole King
coming out of this world
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of kind of factory songwriting,
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is that she managed
to both create songs
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that have this deeply
personal feeling
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and that are so idiosyncratic
and interesting,
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but also were mass pop hits.
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# What should I write?
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# What can I say?
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# How can I tell you
how much I miss you?
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# The weather here has been
as nice as it can be
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# Although it doesn't really
matter much to me
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# For all the fun I'll have
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# While you're so far away
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# It might as well rain
until September. #
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At that time, one child,
it was in '61.
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That was Louise.
Sherry wasn't born until '62.
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Gerry was working as a chemist
to support the family.
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I was at home with the child,
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the traditional male female roles.
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We were also writing,
you know, to try to make it,
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to free ourselves
of the nine to five,
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except I was still taking care
of the child and the house as well.
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But that was...that was fine.
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It worked out fine.
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On the day Carole wrote
Will You Love Me Tomorrow,
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Gerry was at work because
they didn't make enough money yet
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for them to live off their writing.
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He worked as a chemist.
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She was at home. She wrote the song.
He doesn't get home till later.
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She leaves the song on the piano
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and she goes out to play canasta
with her mother's friends.
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That's how hip she was.
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You know, she said to me,
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"You'll find out that even when I
was a teenager,
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"I was an old Jewish lady.
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"That's what I was right
from the beginning."
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And once you hear the canasta story,
you can kind of believe it.
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We would be trying to write the
follow up for a hit artist, right?
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Barry and I are both musical
and receptive
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to what it was that made
that first song a hit.
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It would be very competitive.
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With Carole and Gerry we ended
up being really good friends,
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but at the same time,
we'd be jealous of each other
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if the other team got the record.
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But...
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And that was very confusing to us
because as friends, we loved them.
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But if they got the record,
we hated them!
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Will You Love Me Tomorrow,
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it was the follow up to
a hit by the Shirelles.
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Their hit was
Tonight's The Night
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and in writing
Will You Love Me Tomorrow,
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we tried to write Tonight's
The Night sideways and upside down,
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so it had some of the same
feeling and yet was a new idea.
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# I'd like to know that your love
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# Is a love I can be sure of
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# So tell me now
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# And I won't ask again
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# Will you still love me tomorrow? #
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Gerry Goffin wrote those words
from a woman's perspective.
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But Carole wrote this
incredibly beautiful music
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that has this drama
of that moment of, you know,
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making your sexual passage.
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# So tell me now
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# And I won't ask again
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# Will you still love me tomorrow? #
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It went to number one
and we were delighted
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because then we could devote
ourselves
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to working on songs full-time.
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There's a reason why that song
has lasted
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and why people
keep coming back to it.
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There's an extraordinary
beauty in it
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and a kind of emotional texture
that you might not ordinarily hear
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in something that you would
think of as a pop hit.
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There's a simplicity
to her melodies,
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not unlike Richard Rodgers
in his time.
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And...
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And the words just belong
to those melodies.
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Carole's melodies are sometimes
more joyful than Gerry's lyrics.
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The lyrics can sometimes have
a lot of darkness in it
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that she sets off
with a more optimistic melody.
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# Take good care of my baby
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# Now don't you ever make her cry
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# Just let your love surround her
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# Paint a rainbow all around her
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# Don't let her see a cloudy sky
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# Once upon a time
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# That little girl was mine
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# Oh, if I'd been true
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# I know she'd never be with you
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# So take good care of my baby
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# Be just as kind as you can be
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# And if you should discover
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# That you don't really love her
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# Just send my baby
back home to me. #
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It got to the point where
we were spending a lot of time
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in the studio making demos,
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and I used to bring Louise to
the studio in her little play pen.
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And you know, it got to be
kind of hard to do both,
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so Little Eva came to stay
with Louise.
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And people had the impression
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that she was pushing a broom
around the kitchen one day
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and he heard her sing and said,
"Stop, we must record that voice!"
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But the fact of the matter is,
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we knew that she could sing
when she came to work for us,
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and it was just a matter of time
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before we were going to have
her sing on some of our demos.
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# Everybody's doing
a brand-new dance now
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# Come on, baby, do the loco-motion
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# I know you'll get to like it
if you give it a chance now
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# Come on, baby, do the loco-motion
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# My little baby sister
can do it with me
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# It's easier than learning
your ABC
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# So come on, come on
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# Do the loco-motion with me. #
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There never was a dance,
the loco-motion,
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until after it was a number one
hit record.
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And everybody says,
"How does this dance go?"
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So Little Eva had
to make up a dance!
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This is pre-Beatles,
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so a lot of pop music
was bubble gum music
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and a lot of it was...
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I don't know, there wasn't
a lot going on in pop music,
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and they stood out completely.
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When the Beatles started
to write songs,
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I have no question they looked
to Goffin and King,
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and they overtly spoke of Goffin and
King as among their inspirations.
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# I want to tell you, pretty baby
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# I think you'll find
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# I'd like to love you
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# But darling,
I'm imprisoned by these chains
325
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# My baby's got me
locked up in chains
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# And they ain't the kind
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# That you can see. #
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I thought it was really neat when
the Beatles did my song, Chains,
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because they were this big
phenomenon in this country
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and everybody was going, "Oh wow,
and they're great songwriters."
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And Gerry and I had written Chains
for The Cookies
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and had a record with it here.
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The original image was, you know,
that old street corner music,
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you know, three people standing
there and just doing it in harmony,
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which we do in concert sometimes.
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# Chains
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# My baby's got me
locked up in chains
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# And they ain't the kind
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# That you can see
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# Whoa-oh, these chains of love
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# Got a hold on me
342
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# Yeah. #
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I sort of feel like I'm still
learning things about Carole King.
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I mean, this woman
wrote so many amazing songs.
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# I walked her home
and she held my hand
346
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# I knew it couldn't be
just a one-night stand
347
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# So I asked to see her next week
and she told me I could
348
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# I asked to see her
and she told me I could
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# Something tells me
I'm into something good
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# Something tells me
I'm into something
351
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# Something tells me
I'm into something
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# Something tells me
I'm into something good
353
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# Something tells me
I'm into something
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# To something good, oh, yeah. #
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I remember making a suggestion
about writing something
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about a secret place,
some place somebody goes.
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You know, where do you go?
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And in New York,
where we lived at the time,
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one of the few places you could go
at the time to get away
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was up on the roof.
361
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# When this old world
starts getting me down
362
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# And people are just too much
for me to face
363
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# I climb way up
to the top of the stairs
364
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# And all my cares
just drift right into space
365
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# On the roof's
the only place I know
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# Where you just have to wish
to make it so
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# Let's go
368
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# Up on the roof
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# Up on the roof. #
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She wanted to live in the suburbs
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and the reason they lived in the
suburbs is she was always like,
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"Let's move to the suburbs.
That's where it's happening."
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We would never think
of moving to the suburbs.
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This wasn't a thought in our mind.
We lived in Manhattan.
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FORCED ACCENT: We were just so hip
and they weren't!
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So she wanted a house and the tree
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and the yard and the kids
and the dog, the cat.
378
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She just wanted to be
a normal housewife.
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So all I remember is this house
in West Orange, New Jersey,
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and having these two
kind of weirdish parents
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compared to the other
parents on the street.
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"Another Pleasant Valley Sunday
here in status symbol land."
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You know, lyrics like that,
that...
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..are a comment.
385
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Goffin is trying to say something.
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He wanted to be cool and live in
the Village or something, you know.
387
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So he hates it.
388
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# Rows of houses
that are all the same
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# And no-one seems to care. #
390
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I think he felt that he
was trapped in suburbia
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and Pleasant Valley Sunday
was his anthem of rebellion.
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# See Mrs Gray, she's proud today
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# Because her roses are in bloom
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# Bloom
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# And Mr Green, he's so serene
396
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# He's got a TV in every room... #
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Morning, Frank. Hi, Marv.
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# Another Pleasant Valley Sunday
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# Sunday
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# Here in status symbol land. #
401
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:20,520
I remember being so impressed
when my mum and dad had a song
402
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:24,720
on The Monkees album because
The Monkees were all that then.
403
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:29,000
And I do remember that Davy Jones
came over to our house one time,
404
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which just floored me.
405
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,640
At six-years-old,
Davy Jones was...
406
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You know, he was the perfect height
for a six-year-old!
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But he was...
408
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He was just the whole world to me.
409
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Those songs are...
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I mean, to my mind,
they're masterpieces, you know.
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I think that, you know...
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You know, without
the self-consciousness
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of, you know, like, Dylan
or something like that.
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You know, you can go back
and revisit those songs
415
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and, you know, really enjoy them
and find a lot of meaning in them.
416
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,600
Carole was writing music that,
you know,
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had a sophistication
that elevated it.
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And, you know, Gerry Goffin
also was writing lyrics
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with a sophistication
that elevated the songs
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at the same time as, you know,
these were pop songs.
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Natural Woman,
that's a Gerry Goffin lyric.
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That's a man writing
about what a woman feels,
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which is, you know, incredible.
424
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That's how great he was
as a lyricist.
425
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"When my soul was in the lost and
found, you came along to claim it."
426
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,720
Those words, how he packed
all that emotion in those words,
427
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,360
is a miracle.
428
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,760
# When my soul
429
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,040
# Was in the lost and found
430
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,760
# You came along to claim it
431
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,600
# I didn't know
432
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:01,000
# Just what was wrong with me
433
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:05,840
# Until your kiss helped me name it
434
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,000
# Now I'm no longer doubtful
435
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,560
# Of what I'm living for
436
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,600
# Cos if I make you happy
437
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,760
# Do I need to do more?
438
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,800
# Because you make me feel
439
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,880
# You make me feel
440
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:30,880
# You make me feel
like a natural woman
441
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,080
# Woman. #
442
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,920
Aretha Franklin's version
is peerless.
443
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:40,560
I mean, there's an extraordinary
kind of passion
444
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,920
and, erm, you know,
445
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,800
intelligence to her
delivery of what that song was.
446
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,280
When Carole revisited it later,
you know,
447
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,040
it was, in a sense, more timely,
448
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,920
where it wasn't just about,
you know,
449
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,120
going off and getting married
and having the kids.
450
00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:03,120
I mean, it was about, like,
451
00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:06,000
I think women wanting to find
somebody who got them.
452
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:11,640
# Looking out on the morning rain
453
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:19,800
# I used to feel uninspired
454
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:28,120
# And when I knew
I'd have to face another day
455
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:35,680
# Lord, it made me feel so tired
456
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,600
# Before the day I met you
457
00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:45,840
# Life was so unkind
458
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:52,520
# But your loving words are the key
to my peace of mind
459
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,160
# Cos you make me feel
460
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,560
# You make me feel
461
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:08,960
# You make me feel
like a natural woman. #
462
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,680
Carole's voice is so personal.
463
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:17,840
It really seemed as if you
were reading, you know,
464
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,600
something written in someone's soul.
465
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:27,520
# You make me feel so good inside
466
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:35,360
# And I just want to be
467
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,040
# Close to you
468
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:43,040
# You make me feel so alive
469
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,280
# You make me feel
470
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,840
# You make me feel
471
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:58,360
# You make me feel
like a natural
472
00:26:58,360 --> 00:27:01,600
# Natural woman
473
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,560
# You make me feel
474
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,920
# You know you make me feel
475
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,000
# You know you make me feel
476
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,160
# Like a natural woman
477
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,720
# You make me feel
478
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:24,080
# Like a natural woman
479
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:30,480
# Natural woman. #
480
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,000
There's a lot of forgiveness
in her music.
481
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,440
There's a lot of compassion
in her music,
482
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,400
but forgiveness is a key thing.
483
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,080
She goes through a real
break-up in her life.
484
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,560
Her husband has been unfaithful
to her more than once.
485
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,400
She loved him a lot.
486
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,160
He loved her too,
but it couldn't work.
487
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,720
And that infidelity came
out of a real frustration
488
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,320
that they'd been married for four
years and Gerry was still only 23.
489
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,640
You know, he was
a very handsome guy.
490
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,320
There were a lot of beautiful women
around all the time.
491
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,760
And he told Carole about it
before he did it.
492
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,040
It's one of the interesting
things about the story -
493
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:10,840
he kind of asked for her permission.
494
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,800
There was a point
where I just went...
495
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,920
..I deserve to have a better...
496
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,960
..better treatment than this.
497
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,640
I deserve to have a husband
who is faithful.
498
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:29,760
I remember the divorce happened
simultaneous with the move to LA.
499
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,080
They were splitting up
and moving into separate houses
500
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,400
as we moved to LA
from our house together.
501
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,280
And I just thought, "Oh, cool,
we're going to have two houses,
502
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,520
"that's going to be so cool."
503
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,200
It didn't hit me like, "Oh, my God,
my parents are splitting up."
504
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,480
It was like part of our family
was being taken away from us.
505
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,440
It was very disturbing for us.
506
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,680
And I worried about her
and I worried about the kids
507
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,640
and I worried about him and what
was going to happen to everybody.
508
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:05,040
I moved to California in about 1968
and James Taylor
509
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,000
was just in the process
of coming over with Peter Asher.
510
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,400
When a year ago, you were cycling
home from school in London
511
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,160
at 4:00pm in the afternoon
and it was raining and dark,
512
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,360
and suddenly, you're in a Mustang
convertible and it's not raining,
513
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,880
it's not dark and there's
beautiful blondes everywhere,
514
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,240
you're going to go,
515
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,600
"This is probably an improvement.
I think this is a good move."
516
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,320
It was a very exciting scene
at the time.
517
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,360
We were all friends
and liked to play the same music.
518
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,400
And before too long I found myself
teamed up professionally
519
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,880
and personally with Charles Larkey.
520
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,640
Charles Larkey,
he moved in with us.
521
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,960
He was my stepdad and he moved
into Wonderland with us.
522
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,200
Can we just go over
the first part again
523
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,600
so I can get some continuity of how
it's going to feel because...
524
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,760
How about if I come in in the
second half of the intro there?
525
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,320
Oh, OK.
All right, that would be better.
526
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:16,680
# So when the sun goes down
527
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,080
# On the city
528
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:28,800
# Don't give in to feeling self-pity
529
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:35,360
# Your lover may be knocking
on the door
530
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:41,080
# And it may be like knowing
531
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:46,560
# Someone you never met before. #
532
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,280
I was contacted by Carole when
she moved out here from New York.
533
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,320
She didn't know
a lot of people out here
534
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,160
or a lot of people in the
music industry, for sure.
535
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,800
And she had gotten together
with Danny Kortchmar
536
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,760
and Charlie Larkey
as a group called The City,
537
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,160
and that's the first thing
that I recorded with Carole
538
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:10,800
on the West Coast.
539
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,880
Carole had just divorced
from her husband.
540
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,720
And we just got along well and
I remember feeling good about it.
541
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,880
And obviously she did too.
542
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,760
She became my writing partner
from that night on
543
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,280
and we worked together
for around five years.
544
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,560
I would write the lyric first,
I would give it to Carole
545
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,640
and she would write the melodies
to my lyrics in an hour.
546
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,040
Including the arrangement.
547
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:43,080
The first thing that I envisioned
with Carole after The City album,
548
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:47,400
which I had to treat as a group,
549
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,960
was a solo artist
that you always felt
550
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,400
she was sitting at the piano
and singing to you.
551
00:31:55,400 --> 00:32:00,480
By then I had met James and I
was starting to sing on his album.
552
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,680
I think he was recording
Mud Slide Slim by then.
553
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,640
He had already had Sweet Baby James.
I had played on that.
554
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,400
It was great and we played
on each other's records.
555
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,680
We just had a common mind, you know.
556
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,400
He just made it look so easy,
557
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,640
so I did Tapestry
in the same spirit.
558
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,760
The Carpenters were in Studio A.
559
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,040
Joni Mitchell doing Blue
in Studio C.
560
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,240
Carole was here,
we were making a good record.
561
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,440
And that's all we knew then,
and it was a simple record.
562
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,000
Records like Tapestry
could be overproduced in a minute.
563
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,480
You know, oh,
let's add more guitars.
564
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,560
Let's add more this, more that.
565
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,040
Lou and Carole
wanted that simplicity.
566
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,720
They wanted it to be
just nice and warm
567
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,680
and a very comfortable record
for people to enjoy.
568
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,320
# I feel the Earth move
under my feet
569
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,920
# I feel the sky tumbling down
570
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,080
# I feel my heart start to trembling
571
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:13,360
# Whenever you're around. #
572
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,360
I wanted to stay that simple
and always have that feeling
573
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,880
that Carole was singing to you.
574
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,160
We turned all the lights
down in the room,
575
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,120
all the lights that we're seeing
576
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,400
and all of the background lights
down and all that stuff.
577
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,800
And after a while, they got so
comfortable with that
578
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,120
that they were
like playing in their living room.
579
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:35,640
Will You Love Me Tomorrow, Joni
and James sang background on.
580
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,360
James was on a lot of Tapestry.
581
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,640
If he wasn't singing,
he was playing.
582
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,920
They were all friends, Joni
and James. They all were friendly.
583
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,720
And it was fun.
584
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,360
You know, they would come in
and Carole knew what she wanted.
585
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:54,440
We were doing two or three tunes
a day. It's hard to imagine now.
586
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,520
It took us three weeks
to make Tapestry.
587
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,600
$22,000.
588
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,880
She got involved
in every single part.
589
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,360
I mean, she had specific ideas
of what she wanted me to play,
590
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,400
specific ideas for the
bass player to play.
591
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,560
Carole just said,
"You play a solo here". And I did!
592
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,320
Vinyl used to have two sides.
593
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,240
There used to be a logical
place for a pause.
594
00:34:33,240 --> 00:34:36,400
And we, as the creators
of that product,
595
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,360
had to build in a place
for that pause.
596
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,960
It would be like the
intermission in a play.
597
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,200
Sequencing at that time
was very, very important.
598
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,920
You go through one side,
you turn it over,
599
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:52,320
and all of that was based
on one person listening to it.
600
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,360
# As I watched in sorrow
601
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,160
# There suddenly appeared
602
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,400
# A figure grey and ghostly
603
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,040
# Beneath a flowing beard
604
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,080
# In times of deepest darkness
605
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,040
# I've seen him dressed in black
606
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,720
# Now my tapestry's unravelling
607
00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:18,240
# He's come to take me back
608
00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:22,720
# He's come to take me back. #
609
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:25,040
Tapestry was one of those albums.
610
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,920
That it came out and it was
everywhere, immediately.
611
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,400
Tapestry hit a nerve with people
at that time.
612
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:38,400
This became their
soundtrack of their life.
613
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,120
It was the right songs
at the right time
614
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,440
for the audience
that was ready for them.
615
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,360
They said everything
that people were feeling
616
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,800
and couldn't really express.
617
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,640
Here, you know, the Vietnam War
was still raging.
618
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:59,240
You know, there were 550,000
American troops in Vietnam in 1969.
619
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:03,560
Vietnam's not that big a country.
It's half a million troops.
620
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,560
There were still the after effects
of the assassinations.
621
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,760
You know, Robert Kennedy
and Martin Luther King.
622
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,960
And there's still a lot
of anger in the atmosphere.
623
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:21,440
The great '60s ambitions,
great utopian hopes,
624
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,800
clearly weren't going
to materialise,
625
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,840
so people began looking inward
626
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,560
and that was the
singer-songwriter movement.
627
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:33,320
It was the moment of the
singer-songwriter in America,
628
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:38,960
in its purest and most magical form.
629
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:45,880
# Stayed in bed all morning
just to pass the time
630
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,040
# There's something wrong here
631
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,080
# There can be no denying
632
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,720
# One of us is changing
633
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:56,720
# Or maybe we've just stopped trying
634
00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:02,560
# And it's too late, baby
635
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,040
# Now, it's too late
636
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,440
# Though we really did
try to make it. #
637
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:14,320
This is a song
about disappointment,
638
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,080
but the ever youthful
optimism of youth.
639
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:22,720
And I'm an optimistic person,
so the last verse addresses that,
640
00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:26,680
that we both have a future,
though not with one another.
641
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,680
# There'll be good times again
for me and you
642
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,280
# But we just can't stay together
643
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,640
# Don't you feel it too?
644
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,680
# Still, I'm glad for what we had
645
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:43,440
# And how I once loved you. #
646
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:48,480
I think it really hit home for
so many people, especially women.
647
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:53,280
It was my go-to record for any time
I wanted to feel better.
648
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,440
It was like a friend.
649
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,640
There was a lot of luck involved.
Right place, right time.
650
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,520
I mean, picture a nice
Jewish girl from Brooklyn
651
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,880
coming out in today's market
without the, you know,
652
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,920
the body, the costumes,
the whole thing.
653
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,840
She was reluctant to go
out on the road for months
654
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,520
and leave her daughters
and to be gone.
655
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:18,920
So she was very reluctant to go out,
she didn't want to tour.
656
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:23,920
I've always had confidence in
the fact that when I played music,
657
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,560
it touched people in some way.
658
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:31,160
And the place I didn't have
confidence was as a performer.
659
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,280
And that's where you came in.
660
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,960
It was James and me
saying to Carole,
661
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,800
"Look, would you sing some
of them", you know, "open the show?"
662
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,680
And she agreed to do so.
663
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,560
She was very nervous.
She was scared.
664
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,320
She got over her stage fright
very quickly
665
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,960
because she had an incident
that happened
666
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,720
when she was performing
at The Troubadour.
667
00:38:53,720 --> 00:38:55,240
So she sits down and she plays,
668
00:38:55,240 --> 00:38:57,360
I don't know, one song,
one-and-a-half song,
669
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,920
and then Doug Weston,
who owns The Troubadour, says,
670
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:02,000
"I'm sorry, we're going to
have to empty the building.
671
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,680
"We've had a bomb threat."
672
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,800
So we walked out and then
we came back in
673
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,600
and Carole
sat down at the piano,
674
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,560
they cleared it and she said
about the bomb, she says,
675
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,640
"As long as it's not me!"
676
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:18,040
And that cracked the audience up and
from then on she was not nervous.
677
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,680
It turned out we spoke
the same language.
678
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,200
We sat down and we slipped back
into the mother tongue, really.
679
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,000
It was great.
680
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,920
# So far away
681
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:37,280
# Doesn't anybody stay
in one place any more?
682
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:44,720
# It would be so fine
to see your face at my door. #
683
00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:47,800
What's your take
on how difficult it is
684
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:52,080
for a woman to have a career
in the performing arts
685
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,320
and also maintain a family?
686
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,680
I mean... Very difficult.
Very difficult.
687
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,400
The only time, I guess,
when I had really young children
688
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,560
that I ever was on tour
was with you.
689
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,720
And I remember we were, I think,
away for six weeks,
690
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:10,320
home for two weeks and then
away for another six weeks.
691
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,440
And that six weeks,
it was very difficult.
692
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,880
I remember crying,
listening to So Far Away,
693
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,560
like she was singing it to me.
694
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:25,480
# But you're so far away
695
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:31,440
# Doesn't anybody stay
in one place any more?
696
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:38,520
# It would be so fine
to see your face at my door
697
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,520
# Doesn't help to know
698
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,760
# You're so far away. #
699
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,000
Leaving California was something
that didn't come easy,
700
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,760
but I don't think
I was running away.
701
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,160
I was running TO something.
702
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,480
I was running to a simpler life.
703
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:06,600
I was running to a place where I
could be on the land, grow a garden.
704
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,840
I know you can do that in LA too,
but it's not the same.
705
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,600
I'm pretty sure I was 14
706
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,360
when Rick Evers met my mum
707
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,080
and quickly took us to Idaho.
708
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:25,320
Rick was from Idaho
and I saw him as my interpreter.
709
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,160
The person who would
bring me to Idaho,
710
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,680
the person who would show me
what it's like to live out there.
711
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,360
And, you know,
I fell in love with him.
712
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,400
I fell in love with the idea of him.
713
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,080
I fell in love
with what that meant to me.
714
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:43,960
And when he... He just hit me
one day, just out of the blue.
715
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,640
I'm like, "What?!"
716
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,680
He had a really scary temper.
717
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,760
When he would get angry,
I would feel scared.
718
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,400
I would.... I would, like, run
in a room and lock the door.
719
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,800
Even though he'd never hit me,
I felt like he was going to.
720
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,760
Sometimes he actually fist...
Hit me with his fist.
721
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:08,320
At one point he hit Danny Kortchmar
coming off stage and hit him hard.
722
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,720
He was obviously a troubled,
deeply, deeply troubled,
723
00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:15,160
screwed up individual and was
making Carole's life miserable.
724
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,400
They hated him
and they had every right to.
725
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,160
And as a person,
they didn't like him
726
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,120
and they didn't like
the way he treated Carole.
727
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,000
I'd go down and be, you know,
crying or whatever,
728
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,160
he'd be, "Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry."
729
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,040
Now I have the power.
730
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:37,160
That is a dynamic that happens
sometimes and then the making up.
731
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:42,320
My mum just said, "I've had enough.
I'm leaving. Sherry, come on."
732
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,480
And we flew to Hawaii
and when we got to Hawaii
733
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,040
we got a message
that Rick died.
734
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:49,760
He killed himself.
735
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,360
He actually shot up too much drugs
and he did it to himself.
736
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,040
It's not like, you know, some
tragic thing happened to him.
737
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,080
He just... He just was stupid.
738
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:05,200
# And all I want
is a quiet place to live
739
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:11,440
# Where I can be free
in a world of my making... #
740
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,720
She fell in love with Idaho.
741
00:43:13,720 --> 00:43:18,520
# What they decided to give
742
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,600
# I wouldn't want what they have, no
743
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:24,960
If I could only find... #
744
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,960
She fell harder for Idaho
than she fell for Rick Evers.
745
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,040
'78, after Rick Evers died,
746
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,120
I decided that I was definitely
going to go back to Idaho
747
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,840
with my two younger children,
Molly and Levi.
748
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,560
She's still in love with Idaho.
She loves the mountains.
749
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,800
She loves the air.
750
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:46,920
Living in Idaho, which is part
of the northern Rockies ecosystem
751
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,800
and what it means in my area
of the country
752
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,000
is that a bear doesn't get
to a state line and say,
753
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,280
"Oh, that law in this state
means I'm protected here,
754
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:00,160
"so I'd better not go into the next
state where I'm not protected."
755
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,280
I think the wide open spaces
were...was calling to her.
756
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,320
This is where she wanted to...
757
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,880
..I think have her sort of,
her life.
758
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,840
We treat the northern Rockies
as an ecosystem
759
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,480
and there's a piece of legislation
that I work on
760
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:21,120
called The Northern Rockies
Ecosystem Protection Act.
761
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:28,720
She's come to Capitol Hill
just not to get the door open.
762
00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:31,080
She understands the landscape.
763
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,160
She understands the politics.
764
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,480
She's telling them
about the science.
765
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:39,160
She's talking about what the
habitat destruction is doing.
766
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,640
She understands the economics of it.
767
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,560
This is my other life,
my other world.
768
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,520
So, I don't know...
769
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,600
I could go on much longer
than anyone wants me to,
770
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,440
but I'm going to keep working
on that until it is signed into law.
771
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,840
She's happiest
with a quiet life in Idaho.
772
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:02,360
She will still tour and play shows
and she records from time to time.
773
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,080
But if she could,
she'd be there all the time.
774
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,200
# You got to get up every morning
775
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,560
# With a smile on your face
776
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:14,440
# And show the world all
the love in your heart
777
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:15,920
WHOOPING
778
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,720
# Then people going
to treat you better
779
00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:22,000
# You're going to find,
yes, you will. #
780
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,920
When I first heard about
the idea of the show
781
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,760
that is now
Beautiful - The Carole King Musical,
782
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,720
I was like,
I don't want that to be made.
783
00:45:31,720 --> 00:45:34,280
I don't want a Broadway show
about me.
784
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:38,360
But then to read this great book
by Doug McGrath,
785
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,720
in which he does tell the story
so compellingly.
786
00:45:41,720 --> 00:45:45,480
The idea started of making a musical
based on all four of us,
787
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:49,000
based on our friendship and our
competition with each other
788
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,760
in the early '60s.
789
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,040
I thought, these are four
interesting people.
790
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,200
I'd met Carole, Gerry,
Barry and Cynthia,
791
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,240
and they were really interesting,
charming and funny and smart.
792
00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:01,680
After the first reading,
the feedback that they got was,
793
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:05,080
well, you're stopping
before Tapestry. Right.
794
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,840
You can't do that. We feel cheated.
795
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,760
We want to hear those
Tapestry songs. So it switched.
796
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:15,000
So the focus became more on Carole
and we became supporting players.
797
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,920
We used to joke that they
were Lucy and Desi
798
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,240
and we were Fred and Ethel.
799
00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:23,200
# You've got to get up every morning
800
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,400
# With a smile on your face
801
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:29,440
# And show the world
all the love in your heart
802
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,960
# Show the world
803
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,440
# Then people going
to treat you better
804
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,200
# You're going to find,
yes, you will
805
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,200
# That you're beautiful
806
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:40,920
# You're so beautiful
807
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,400
# You're beautiful
So beautiful
808
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,000
# So beautiful
You're so beautiful
809
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:50,760
# As you feel
810
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,120
# As you feel. #
811
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,320
I think Beautiful is a hit
because the music
812
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,520
is the soundtrack of people's lives,
813
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,680
and younger people, it's been
the soundtrack of their lives,
814
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,040
but they didn't realise that,
you know,
815
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,240
it was attached to me necessarily
or attached to the writers.
816
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:13,720
When I was told that I was going
to win the Gershwin Prize,
817
00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:16,000
I was floored.
818
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,960
First of all,
I was the fifth recipient.
819
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:23,640
I was going to be the first woman,
which in itself is amazing.
820
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:28,360
And I was going to be presented
with the award by President Obama.
821
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,960
As Carole tells it,
the secret to her success is that,
822
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,080
"I try to get out of the way
823
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,400
"and let the process be guided
by whatever is driving me."
824
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,840
So tonight, it is my great pleasure
825
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,880
to present America's highest award
for popular music
826
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,080
to a living legend.
827
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:48,920
APPLAUSE
828
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,520
The coming together
of my two worlds,
829
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:57,200
of the political world and all
the people I knew in Washington,
830
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,360
that was a different
kind of amazing to me.
831
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:04,040
I would tell people,
not just in music,
832
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:08,440
I would just say to anybody, if
you want to do something, go for it.
833
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:12,240
Try. Don't tell yourself
you can't make it.
834
00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:15,480
Don't let your parents tell you
you can't make it.
835
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,160
Let the world tell you you can't
make it, after having tried.
836
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,120
Or maybe let the world
discover you,
837
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,480
but don't fail to try.
838
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:28,920
Because if you don't try,
you can't succeed.
839
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,480
Her legacy may be like
a Gershwin legacy
840
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,640
or a Rodgers and Hammerstein legacy,
841
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:40,600
because there is a generation now
that just adores her stuff.
842
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,760
# When you're down
843
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:45,640
# And troubled
844
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:50,440
# And you need some loving care
845
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:54,120
# And nothing
846
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:58,680
# Oh, nothing is going right
847
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,360
# Close your eyes and think of me
848
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,560
# And soon I will be there... #
849
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:15,040
Her songs will last,
which is really the test of time.
850
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,720
That's all we have, really,
is what songs remain
851
00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:20,960
and which fall away.
852
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,880
And I think Carole's songs
will be here for a long time.
853
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:29,040
# You just call out my name
854
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:33,800
# And you know, wherever I am... #
855
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,440
Her singing is not...
856
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,280
It doesn't have a lot of artifice
in it or ornamentation.
857
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,760
It's pure.
It's like, here's who I am.
858
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,920
And I think people... I think
that's what they love about her.
859
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:49,400
The emotion that's in Tapestry
is not foreign to people now.
860
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,440
I mean, women are still
thinking about,
861
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,720
will you love me tomorrow,
the next day, you know.
862
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:01,120
It's just such a universal
language for the human heart.
863
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:02,920
# Hey, now
864
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:07,960
# Now, ain't it good to know
that you've got a friend... #
865
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:12,600
I would think honesty is
a prevailing emotion of Carole
866
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,760
as a writer and a performer.
867
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,840
She said exactly
what I was going to say.
868
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,720
Yeah, but I'm the lyricist,
so I said it.
869
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:22,840
If Tapestry never existed,
870
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,880
Carole King would still
be among the handful
871
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,800
of most important songwriters
in pop music history.
872
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,720
So let's just say that.
873
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:34,080
I've had hopeless times in my life
about different things
874
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:38,520
and you just have to persevere
because one day, that door does open
875
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:42,640
and if you don't persevere,
you won't be there when it does.
876
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,880
# Oh, yes, I will
877
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,600
# To see you again
878
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:52,880
# See you again and again
879
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,520
# Winter, spring, summer or fall
880
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,680
# All you've got to do is call
881
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:07,080
# And I'll be there, yes, I will
882
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,360
# You've got a friend
883
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,600
# You've got a friend
884
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,600
# Ain't it good to know
885
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,480
# Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
886
00:51:23,720 --> 00:51:28,000
# You've got a friend. #
887
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,920
# One fine day
888
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,280
# We'll meet once more
889
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,880
# And then you'll want the love
890
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,440
# You threw away before
891
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,160
# One fine day
892
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,560
# You're going to want me
for your girl
893
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,600
# One fine day
894
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:51,760
# Oh-oh-oh
895
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,000
# One fine day
896
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,320
# You're going to want me
for your girl
897
00:52:01,720 --> 00:52:04,440
# One fine day
898
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:08,440
# You're going to want me for your
899
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:13,640
# Girl. #
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