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[distant siren blaring]

[cars honking]

[Mitch] Once negotiations
broke down,

we were left with little choice.

The decision was made
for us to insert gas

in an effort to coerce
those on the inside to come out.

We followed protocol to a T.

The Davidians were raining down
gunfire on my men.

It looked like Christmas
out there with bullets hitting

our tanks, and my men
showed such restraint.

Not a single shot
was returned from the FBI.

Now with that being said,
are there tactics

or decisions that you
would've made differently?

Not a one.

Not a one, huh?

[man over PA]
This is not an assault.

The siege is over now.

The gas you will be smelling
is a non-lethal tear gas.

-[people screaming]
-Exit the compound.

[reporter on TV]
...M60 vehicle,

this combat
engineering vehicle,

uh, pumped tear gas...

Gary, the Davidians
had a death wish.

That's not on the FBI.

This thing was never gonna turn
out any different than it did.

If anything,
we should've gone in sooner,

once we realized
that negotiations

weren't yielding any results.

-No results?
-[Mitch] Yeah.

You know I seem to recall
negotiating 35 people out

of that building safely,
including 21 children.

You're acting
like we rushed in.

We waited 51 days,
we gave you 51 days

to try to talk 'em out,
and you couldn't do it.

-[explosion]
-[people scream]

Why isn't anyone coming out?
They should be coming out.

-[man] No!
-[tank rumbling]

[man grunts]

[reporter on TV]
...inside this building.

Seventeen of those
95 people, children.

Some 30...

[woman coughs]

-We give up. We give up.
-[Mitch] Okay.

Somebody help me!

We got people down here!

Wait! Wait!

You failed, you didn't do
your job, so we had to do ours.

[Alan] Gentlemen,
why don't we all take a break?

Hmm?

Give everyone
a chance to cool down.

Gary, you need to get
your shit together.

We need to come clean, Alan.

-Oh.
-People are angry

about what happened in Waco,
and they're scared

because they think
that we did it on purpose.

And we're too scared

to tell them the truth,
that they're wrong.

It wasn't part
of some master plan.

It was just a bunch of bad
decisions and incompetence.

[Mitch]
Speak for yourself, Gary.

Your men,
they may have been incompetent.

Mine sure weren't.

Oh, yeah.

[sucks teeth] Well, the medal
is in the mail, Mitch.

[reporter on TV]
Sunny day today. We can expect

much, much more of the same
over the next few days.

You might wanna do some
of those outdoor activities

-you've been saving up for.
-Thanks, Sammy.

[reporter] Coming up next,

the trial of the Waco Five

begins in San Antonio
this week

as a federal grand jury
indicted five of the surviving

Branch Davidians for unlawful
possession of firearms,

and aiding in the murder
of federal officers.

[man] You ask me,

it's the FBI
that should be standing trial,

not those religious nuts.

Our government
just went in there,

burned those people alive,
women and children.

[man 2] I think
every ATF and FBI agent

at Waco should go to jail.

dramatic music plays

theme music plays

-[siren wailing]
-[indistinct chatter]

-[Dusty] Noesner.
-[Gary] Yeah.

[Dusty] It's been awhile.

[Gary] Oh yeah,
sure has, since what?

The, uh, Atlanta Prison Riots?

No, I feel like
I've seen you since.

Oh, yeah? So, uh,
what's on the menu today?

Well, we got four guys
wearing ex-presidents masks.

Oh, like that movie
Point Break?

Never said they were original.

No, these guys have
been running around all over,

robbing banks in Oklahoma,

Arkansas, 21 in all.

They're efficient, you know,
smart, in and out, 90 seconds,

so local authorities had
had a hard time figuring out

where they are until today
when we got a last-minute tip

that bank was gonna
be their next target.

Now, we managed to grab
three of the guys,

but one of them has barricaded
himself inside,

and he has hostages.

We feel all four
of these guys are members

of the Aryan Republican Army.

Oh, great. Nazis.

[telephone ringing]

What?

[Gary on phone]
Hi, my name's Gary.

Who am I speaking with?

People call me "Wild Bill".

Well, Wild Bill,
I'm here to help you.

[Wild Bill] Yeah?
Well, you can help me

by getting me a helicopter,

and I want it now

or I'm gonna start
killing people.

And don't even think
about trying to come in here

because I got
a pipe bomb and I will blow

this place sky high
if you try it.

[Gary] Let me look into
getting you that helicopter.

I'm serious!

[Gary] I'm taking you
seriously, Wild Bill.

-Is Bomb Squad present?
-Uh-hmm.

Good. Keep 'em ready.

All right.
So, uh, they're gonna need

a little time getting
you that helicopter.

-No. I want it now!
-[Gary] I do, too.

But right now,
the only available helicopter

is 50 miles away.

In the meantime,
maybe you can tell me

how you got into this mess?

Yeah. I got into this mess

because somebody
has to fight back.

You can only push people so far.

[Gary] That's very true.

[device beeping]

[sighs]

[watch stops beeping]

[engine starts]

[gunshots]

Who gave you permission
to use that thing in here?

I'm a big boy,
I gave myself permission.

Machines are not allowed in here
without a court order.

Okay. Here's my court order.

Funny.

I don't see my signature
on that.

Judge Smith.

I'm Dan Cogdell.
I represent Clive Doyle.

You're not defending anybody
with that thing in here.

I want it gone
by the time we begin.

Uh, but, Your Honor,
I have all my notes in it.

[Judge Smith] Then I suggest
you find a way

to get your notes out of it.

[Dan] Oh, shit.

dramatic music plays

[crowd shouting]

[woman] Baby killers!

How come they hate us so much?

They don't even know us.

We'll be okay...

somehow.

[Judge Smith]
You wanted to present a motion?

[Dan] I did, Your Honor.

I would ask to predefine
inflammatory words.

Inflammatory words?

Yes, Your Honor, we would move

to make certain words
inadmissible.

Which words would you recommend
we ban, Mr. Cogdell?

Well, for example,

we would motion to exclude
the word "compound"

when referring to the home
at Mount Carmel,

as the word "compound"
has militaristic connotations.

At this point the word
"compound" has been used

a million times
to refer to Mount Carmel.

But to the defendants
this was not a compound,

this was their home

where they lived
and raised children,

where they had a God-given
right to practice their--

[Judge Smith] Save it
for the trial, Mr. Cogdell.

Denied. Next.

[Dan] We would like
to exclude the term

"Branch Davidians".

They never call themselves
by that name.

Objection.

If we can't call them
Branch Davidians,

then what are
we supposed to call them?

-Out to lunch?
-[Dan] Well, I think

we can all agree that moniker

has been thoroughly
tarnished by the media.

[Judge Smith]
The term "Branch Davidian"

was tarnished
by their own actions.

[Dan] But, Your Honor,
they are not on trial

for their religious beliefs.

The defense used the term
"Branch Davidians"

in their own filings.

I have a motion here filed

by Rocket Rosen of the defense.

Who's Rocket Rosen?

I am, Your Honor.

Your name is Rocket?

[Rocket] Yes, Your Honor.

I was born on the 4th of July,

so my daddy named me Rocket.

Well, I was born on October 26,
so my daddy named me Walter.

-Did you file this motion?
-I did.

-But that was a mistake.
-[Judge Smith] Motion denied.

Next.

[Dan] The word "cult".

Do they not yet realize
that this was a cult?

[Rocket] This was no cult.

It was a communal church

and David Koresh
was their pastor.

Once that pastor takes 20 wives

and leads his church
to mass suicide,

I would say
the word "cult" is applicable.

But the defendants are not
on trial for mass suicide.

Nobody thinks that any one
of them had anything to do

with any fire
or had multiple wives

or took child brides
or any of it.

Using the word "cult"
is an attempt

to try our clients
for another man's sins.

[Judge Smith] Motion denied.

[Dan] My client Clive Doyle

was there 15 years

before David Koresh's arrival.

Rose and thorn, Karen?

My thorn is I didn't sleep

very well 'cause Shari
kept stealing all the covers.

And rose, I got extra oatmeal
at breakfast.

Well, how about you, Shari?

Rose, playing.

Thorn, Karen.

[laughter]

How about you, Dad?

Thorn is my back's
been hurting me again.

My rose is that I get to spend
this moment right now

with my two favorite people
in the entire world, you two.

[Lois] I have
never wavered on this, George,

you don't wear a sidearm
for Sabbath service.

Why do you think
you're so special, mama?

That you get
to make all the rules?

Because I am your prophet.

[motorcycle engine roaring]

[engine stops]

Don't mind him.

My name is Vernon Howell.

I'm looking
for the Prophet Lois Roden.

Come in.

Service is starting.

[Wild Bill on phone]
That's what you don't get.

It's about being a patriot

'cause this country
has lost its way.

It's turned
against the people

who made it great
in the first place.

So what are we supposed to do?

Just wait for things to change

or do we fight back?

And in your eyes,
robbing banks

is a way of fighting back?

[Wild Bill] No, robbing banks
was never the point.

Then what is?

[inhales sharply]
Yeah. You'll see.

Yeah, payback's coming.

It's coming sooner
than you think.

[Gary] Look, we've been talking
now for 20 hours.

And it seems to me
that you and I

aren't gonna agree on much.

So maybe we could focus

on what we do agree on.

Yeah, like what?

[Gary] Like you
and your friends have robbed

21 banks successfully,

nobody hurt,
perfectly executed.

No, I'm not admitting
the other banks.

[Gary] I'm not asking you
to do that.

But you see to the world
right now, you're a legend.

You're Robin Hood,
22 banks and you haven't

hurt a single person.

Now you'll do
a few years' time for sure.

But then, who knows?

Maybe you'd sell
your movie rights

to Hollywood and go sip
margaritas on a beach.

[scoffs]

[Gary] But the second
you take someone's life,

you are just another murderer.

And nobody will care

what you have to say ever again.

You come out of that bank
and you're gonna have options.

You come out of that bank,
you're gonna have a future.

You want people to hear
what you have to say,

then come out of the bank.

[door creaks open]

[Wild Bill] Don't shoot!
Unarmed! Unarmed!

[police officer] Clear!
Get down on your knees.

Hands on your head.

Interlace your fingers.

Our best strategy
is going to be to convince

the jury that David Koresh
was misunderstood.

We need to humanize him,
make him seem less

like the boogeyman,
more relatable.

David Koresh was

an opportunistic
narcissistic piece of shit.

We're not in the business
of defending Koresh.

-He's dead.
-(scoffs)

Well, if that's how you feel,

then why'd you even
take this case?

The issue can't be whether
or not

Koresh was the messiah.

If that's our case,
then they win,

because guess what?

He wasn't.

Our case has to be
about the fact

the United States government

raided these people's home
without cause.

And it was their overreach,
their hubris

that led to the deaths of 76
people including 17 children.

And in America,
you don't get to do that

because, if they can do
what they did to our clients

and get away with it,
it'll give everyone

with a badge and a gun
from a Wackenhut security guard

to Janet Reno the authority

to do whatever they want,

to whomever they want,

however they want.

And that's the argument
we need to make.

-[lawyer] Amen.
-[Rocket] Yeah.

What in the hell
is that asshole doing here?

You get lost, Johnston,
or are you,

uh, here to beg for mercy?

Neither.
I've got an offer for you.

[Dan] They're offering 15 years
with the possibility of parole.

What would I have to do
if I did take the deal?

You'd have to plead guilty
and then testify

against the other members
of your group.

No, wait, wait, wait.

Before you close
your mind to it,

you should know
that they've offered

the same deal
to all five of you.

If you don't take it,
you face the possibility

of life without parole.

But I didn't do anything.

Clive, unfortunately,
that doesn't matter.

It's a conspiracy charge.

If any single one
of you is found guilty,

then you're all guilty.

If any one of you pulled
the trigger of a gun,

then you all pulled
the trigger.

You're gonna rise
and fall together.

You got until opening
statements to decide

and then the deal's off
the table.

[Judge Smith] Here is
what is going to happen.

Instead of arguing
about this juror

or that juror,

going back and forth,
you, then you.

I am gonna save us
a whole lot of time

and the American taxpayer

a lot of money
and help pick the jury myself.

So you can all relax.

Objection, Your Honor.

You can't object to me.
I'm the judge.

[Dan] Well, then, uh, exception.

Noted.

[Dan scoffs]

Can he do that?

How do you feel
about people who join a cult?

Objection.

Exception, Your Hon-- shit.

[clicks tongue]
How do you feel

about people who join

extremist religious groups?

I do have negative feelings
towards people

who abuse children
if that's what you're asking.

Or people who give
their sense of choice

over to false prophets.

[Judge Smith] You can stay.

[Vernon] So, Clive,
how'd you come to be here?

My mom and I heard
some of Lois's teachings,

so we followed that message
all the way here.

That was 15 years ago.

[Vernon]
All the way from Australia?

I don't think I'll ever leave.

Wow.

How about you?
What brought you here?

Me?

Well, I learned to read
by reading the Bible.

I can't see so well,
you know, all the letters

get mixed up and stuff,
so I have trouble reading books,

but the Bible.

Man, I could just sit
and read it like magic.

And you know what struck me?

[Clive] Huh.

I mean, for years,
I asked anyone who might know,

"Hey, what happened
to all those old prophets?

Are there any still living now?

Or did they all get stuck here
in this old book?"

And they'd say, "Quiet, boy.

Sit down and listen
to what we're teachin'."

[laughs]

[Vernon] But nobody could answer
that one question.

So I turned
to God and I asked Him,

"Please, if there's a prophet,
please lead me there."

Then three days later,
out of the blue,

my grandma tells me about
some prophet out here

on the plains of Waco.

Her name was Lois Roden,

and she lived at a place
called Mount Carmel.

Went to my room,
packed my stuff,

got here as fast as I could.

That's... like a miracle.

Yeah, that's what I thought too.

Did they offer you
all the plea deal too?

My lawyer told me
the worst thing

that could happen
is someone else

taking the deal if I don't.

Man, the government wants
their pound of flesh

and they're gonna get it

if we don't stay strong
and stick together.

Look around this room.

Do you expect anyone
is actually going to think

Clive shot federal agents
in cold blood?

Or Ruth?

It doesn't matter
what they think.

If they think any of us did it,
then we all did it.

I wasn't even there.

Do you think
any of this is about truth?

Or fairness? Or justice?
Because it's not.

It is about anger.

They are gonna roll over us
no matter what we do.

So we may as well
get through this

with our dignity intact.

The government can make up
whatever story they want

about what happened
inside Mount Carmel,

but no one knows what you did

or didn't do
behind closed doors,

nobody but the people
in this room.

So if we stay united

and refute their story, then...

maybe we have a chance.

Oh, shit.

Hey, Dusty, mind if I pick
your brain about something?

I was looking
at Wild Bill's file.

[Dusty] Why?
We already put him in jail.

Well, Wild Bill and his friends
successfully robbed 21 banks.

But in their files,

it doesn't seem
as though they made

any conspicuous purchases.

That, combined with
his comment about "payback,"

it was bugging me

and I wanted to make sure
I wasn't missing anything.

So I took a closer look
and I found this.

[Dusty] What am I looking at?

[Gary] You see that flag?

That's the same flag
they flew over at Mount Carmel.

David Koresh
designed it himself.

Huh.

Did Wild Bill have
some connection to Waco?

I doubt it.

The flag is probably used
more as a recruitment tool

to fire people up.

[clicks tongue] Any sense
where that photo was taken?

It doesn't say in the file.

It looks like Elohim City to me.

It's a town of sorts.

Started in the early '70s
by a group of former Mennonites,

which gave birth to
the Christian Identity movement,

which is, basically--

Christianity
for White Supremacists.

Uh-hmm.

We'd need a serious warrant
and a small army to go in there.

Something which, after Waco,
I don't think any of our bosses

would be willing
to take a chance on.

[man] Clive Doyle,
you have a visitor.

Let's go.

Some of the other families

mentioned something
about a plea deal?

It's true. They've offered one.

I'm not sure
I'm gonna take the deal, Karen.

Why not?

Because they want us to say
it was our fault.

And it wasn't.

Just get out, Dad.

Shari's gone, everything's gone.

How much more do you feel
like you have to suffer?

I loved David too,
but it's over!

I need my father back.

I know, but...

You've already lost, Dad.

There's no more point
in fighting it.

Anne...

she needs her grandfather.

What?

-[both chuckle]
-Really?

There's your rose.

Is it?

dramatic music plays

[Jacob]
It's 15 years of loyalty,

15 years of putting my life
on the line and then for what?

For what?

Hey, hey,
get your hands off me, man.

Get off me.

-Weren't you--
-Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, we've met.

Right.

Do you wanna get a drink?

On the fire ants?

On the goddamn fire ants.

[laughs] Oh, Jesus.

I mean, why anybody would build
their heaven on earth

on top of a goddamn fire ant
hill is just beyond me.

So, come on,
why'd--why did you--

why did you ask me here?

Come on, I know it wasn't
to talk about fire ants.

Because my wife thinks
I should talk to someone

and, uh...

there aren't a lot of people

who know what it was like
to be there.

You have regrets?

I just keep wondering
if I did this differently

or if I said that differently,

then maybe things could've
turned out different, you know.

Yeah, I do that too.

And then there are times that
I wonder if you were just...

just damned from the start.

We weren't damned
from the start.

We damned ourselves
through our own stupidity.

Mmm.

What do you know
about Elohim City?

I know they're a bunch
of racist assholes,

but other than that, you know,
it's not my department,

so I don't really
pay attention to it.

But this man from Elohim City,
he was so angry.

[Jacob] Uh-hmm.

And I just keep thinking
about the...

people protesting
at the barricades at Waco

and I just feel this...

this undercurrent of rage
in America.

And I think we helped
create the monster

we're trying to stop.

Look, I know someone
working the Elohim City case.

And, uh, I might be able
to set you up.

This is blasphemy!

I won't stand for it.

I speak the truth.

God handles the consequences.

George,
the Holy Spirit is feminine.

We live
in a male dominated society

and it has resulted
in a male dominated translation

of the Bible.

There is the Father,
there is the Son,

and the Holy Spirit is mother.

[laughs]

[Vernon] Lois is right.

What did you just say?

I said, "Lois is right."

I never saw it before

but she's mentioned
all over the Old Testament.

Proverbs 31:25,

"She is clothed
with strength and dignity,

and she laughs
without fear of the future."

Proverbs 31:10,

"She is far more precious
than jewels."

Psalms 46:5,

"God is in the midst of her;
she shall not be moved."

-Quiet!
-Proverbs 31:26,

"She opens her mouth
with wisdom,

and the teaching of kindness
is on her tongue."

Matthew 11:19, Luke 3:22.

There are dozens of examples
in the Bible

where the Holy Spirit
is referred to as "she".

I mean, George, are you saying
the Bible is wrong?

No.

Of course, I'm not saying
the Bible is wrong.

tense music plays

Probably won't get you laid,

but it'll make you look
more respectable.

Have you decided
on the plea deal?

This is your last chance
to take it.

[Clive] You should be
more careful with George.

He can be pretty mean.

I'm not worried
about old George Roden.

He's not the first bully
I dealt with.

I'm sure he won't be the last.

"So do not fear,
for I am with you.

Do not be dismayed,
for I am your God.

I will strengthen you
and I will help you.

I will uphold you
with my righteous right hand."

Isaiah said that.

You can go hide all your life,

but then the whole world

winds up getting run
by the George Rodens everywhere.

That's no way
to please the Lord.

No.

You gotta show that faith.

You got to show it
by standing up,

by doing what's right,

regardless of what
all them bullies

tell you what they think
you should do.

[Clive] It's just that George
is sick in the head.

He's--he's violent.

You don't understand
what he's capable of.

He doesn't know
what I'm capable of either.

I'm stronger than they realize.

And so are you, Clive Doyle.

I don't give in to bullies.

It's our job to do what's right.

And it's God's job
to sort out the rest.

Okay,
then let's go give 'em hell.

[all chattering indistinctly]

[whispering]
So, I've just had breakfast

with defendant Schroeder,

and she's going to be playing
for the home team now,

so get some statements
over... [indistinct]

But I just wanted
to let you know for now.

[normal voice]
Good morning, by the way.

[clicks tongue]

Kathy Schroeder just flipped.

She took the plea deal

and she's turning
state's witness.

Kathy's going to testify
against us?

Yeah.

dramatic music plays

[Bill] Now this
is a simple story...

with two clear sides.

The government agents

who went in to serve
a legal search warrant...

and the Branch Davidians,
led by David Koresh,

who adhered
to a philosophy of death.

A philosophy that led Koresh

to train his people for battle

and arm them for war,

so that when those agents
approached Mount Carmel

to do their legal duty,

the defendants laid in wait
with guns in their hands.

And when the agents
got close enough,

the Branch Davidians
opened fire,

murdering four federal officers

in cold blood.

These men and women
aren't killers.

They're victims.

First, they were victimized
by David Koresh,

a charismatic con man
who brainwashed them

into believing
he was a messiah on earth.

[scoffs]

And then they were victimized
by the ATF,

who led an unnecessary

ill-advised assault
on their home

that left 76 of their friends
and family,

and even their children, dead.

[Ruth] You're making us look
like sheep,

like we just blindly
followed David

with no minds of our own.

This isn't the strategy
we talked about before.

We weren't brainwashed.

We were defending
something real.

We all believed in

because we saw it
with our own eyes.

My husband was shot dead

and ripped to pieces

by a government tank
because of those beliefs.

It's not just the four of us
on trial here.

When you say that
what we believe in is stupid,

you're saying that
the people that we loved

who burned in that building
died for nothing.

I don't give a rat's ass
about your religion.

And frankly, I don't even care
if you look sane.

All I care about
is keeping you out of jail.

That's my only focus here.

And our defense tactics
have to change,

because Kathy Schroeder
flipped on you.

Before, you were all
a united front,

whatever the prosecutor said
happened at Mount Carmel,

was speculation.

Now, one of your own is going
to corroborate their claims.

Kathy is gonna tell the jury
that she passed out guns

to each and every one of you
during the siege.

[scoffs] I wasn't even there.

Well, then she's gonna say
you bought the guns,

make you into an arms dealer
with a death wish.

She's gonna turn the rest of you
into an army out for blood.

So if-if we can't say
you never held a gun,

we have to make the jury believe

that you had no choice
but to pick one up.

You had no choice
but to protect yourselves,

because David Koresh
conditioned you

to do whatever he said,

and the government charged in
trying to kill your children.

But we didn't just do
whatever he told us to do.

-We-we made choices.
-[Dan] Yeah, look,

you can be as pissed
as you want at me in here,

but when we're
in that courtroom,

you need to sit there,
and you need to look sorry.

You need to stop
shaking your head

and-and stop glowering
at the prosecutors.

And you,
you need to wear a dress.

Yeah, something
that makes you look softer

and more vulnerable.

I don't wear dresses.

[Dan] Well,
then we'll get you one.

But you need to start
doing your part.

You need to start acting
like the victim.

[Lois] You need to be honest
about who you are.

Proverbs speaks to this,

calling for insight,

not being afraid
to ask for help,

so that we can better
understand ourselves.

Vernon,
what are you struggling with?

How can we help you?

I struggle with my own desires,

which I feel
so strong sometimes.

What kind of desires?

Pleasure of the flesh.

Sometimes it's so strong,

I have to relieve that pressure
several times a day.

[Ruth] Oh!

It's okay. It's okay.

You should feel comfortable
to share.

You shouldn't feel embarrassed.

I never said I was embarrassed.

Everyone has
their own struggles.

No temptation has overtaken you

that is not common to man.

God is faithful.

He will not let you be tempted
beyond your ability, but--

But with that temptation,

He will also provide
the way of escape.

Corinthians 10:13.

But when that temptation
comes over me,

I wonder if she's ever known
loving hands on her body,

if she's ever felt true pleasure

and I'm overcome...

with desire until I feel
like I might go mad.

[Clive] You were, uh--

you were pretty honest
at Bible study.

I promised myself
that when I came here,

I wouldn't hold back
any bit of myself...

even those little ugly parts

that I'd rather sometimes
just sweep under the rug.

I--I felt the same way
when I came here.

Like I wanted to give
all of myself.

Kindred spirits, I guess.

[chuckles]

-[Lois] Looks good over here.
-Oh, do you need me?

Not just yet.

Actually, uh, I just came over
to talk to Vernon.

Uh, Vernon,

I'm getting ready to go
on my yearly trip to Israel.

And I think
you should join me...

to study.

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Nothing would give me
more pleasure

than learning
right from your hands.

Good.

That's settled then.

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[door creaks closed]

[Gary] Hi. Uh, excuse me.
Are you Angie?

Jacob sent me.

-Oh, yes.
-[Gary] Yeah.

-Gary?
-Right.

-Okay. Hi.
-Yeah.

So you drew
the short straw, huh?

Yeah. Our informant's
name is Carol Howe.

And, um, we didn't know
how seriously to take her

because she's not the most
reliable-seeming informant.

Uh-hmm.

How'd she wind up here
in the hospital?

Did they find out
she was informing and hurt her?

Actually, kind of the opposite.

No, Wild Bill actually
beat her up pretty bad

-before the robbery...
-Uh-hmm.

...and she got pissed,
so she tipped us off

-as a way to get revenge.
-Mmm.

She's not a big fan
of authority,

to say the least,
and, uh, she's a bit erratic.

How so?

-[Carol] God damn it! Come on!
-[banging]

TV signal's shit in here, Angie.

Hey there, Carol. I'm Gary.

How's Wild Bill?

Did he ask about me?

[Angie] He lawyered up
pretty quickly,

so I honestly don't know
what he's asking about.

-Is he doing okay?
-[Angie] Yeah,

for someone who's gonna spend
ten to twenty years in prison.

I didn't mean to get him
locked up that long.

But that asshole shouldn't have
laid his hands on me like that.

You don't mess
with a lady's face!

That's right.

[Angie] That's right.

Uh-hmm.

So Wild Bill had made
some allusions

to some kind of payback
against the government.

Did he ever speak to you
about anything like that?

[scoffs] Gary?

I ain't some kind of narc.

I'm just a person who's sick
of her boyfriend's shit.

Yeah, fair enough.

But, uh, I'd say
there's a difference

between being a narc
and saving the lives

of innocent people.

Ain't nobody innocent.

Really?

Well, what about Elohim City?
Did you hear anyone there...

speak about some sort of
planned payback?

I don't know about Elohim City.

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Come on, Carol,
this is important.

I'm trying to keep people
from getting hurt.

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Dammit.

I don't--the people
you're asking

about at Elohim City,

they didn't really talk
to me much, okay?

And I never heard anything
specific about anything,

but I will tell you...

they talk a lot
about how the government

has turned on them.

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[Carol] They talk about
a holy war that's coming.

And they're gonna be
on the frontlines.

But that's nothing on its own.

You know, I know plenty
of people who talk like that.

But the thing
about Elohim City is,

it's full of people
who tend to mean what they say.

[Gary] What does
that mean exactly?

It means if payback is coming,

then I would guess
it's gonna come from there.

Yeah.

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rock music plays

[singer]
Nowhere to run to, uh, uh

Nowhere to hide