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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:08,965 --> 00:00:11,103 Narrator: In the six months after the new V&A Museum 2 00:00:11,206 --> 00:00:12,724 in Dundee opened, 3 00:00:12,827 --> 00:00:15,586 half a million people walked through its doors. 4 00:00:18,413 --> 00:00:20,103 Those behind this project, 5 00:00:20,206 --> 00:00:22,000 the first V&A to be built outside London, 6 00:00:22,103 --> 00:00:25,551 were overwhelmed... but not surprised. 7 00:00:25,655 --> 00:00:28,137 They'd felt all along that a signature building 8 00:00:28,241 --> 00:00:30,172 by the Japanese architect Kengo Kuma 9 00:00:30,275 --> 00:00:31,586 on Dundee's waterfront 10 00:00:31,689 --> 00:00:34,344 could trigger the regeneration of this city, 11 00:00:34,448 --> 00:00:37,931 spoiled by insensitive development in the 1960s. 12 00:00:39,655 --> 00:00:41,379 In Dundee's brave new world, 13 00:00:41,482 --> 00:00:43,620 people would come here to learn more 14 00:00:43,724 --> 00:00:45,793 about Scotland's design heritage 15 00:00:45,896 --> 00:00:49,034 in a structure that is itself a piece of design, 16 00:00:49,137 --> 00:00:52,379 a piece of art with its own story. 17 00:00:54,413 --> 00:00:57,862 - What I want to do is work with the community 18 00:00:57,965 --> 00:01:02,068 to respect the place and to learn something from the place. 19 00:01:02,172 --> 00:01:04,275 It is a kind of conversation with the community 20 00:01:04,379 --> 00:01:05,965 conversation with the place. 21 00:01:06,068 --> 00:01:09,068 [rhythmic piano music] 22 00:02:07,310 --> 00:02:08,931 Narrator: In Dundee, Kengo Kuma, 23 00:02:09,034 --> 00:02:11,620 the architect behind Tokyo's National Stadium 24 00:02:11,724 --> 00:02:13,689 for the 2020 Olympic Games, 25 00:02:13,793 --> 00:02:17,206 has produced the design for the V&A that is unique, 26 00:02:17,310 --> 00:02:19,379 and uniquely challenging to build, 27 00:02:19,482 --> 00:02:22,448 jutting out into the River Tay alongside 'Discovery', 28 00:02:22,551 --> 00:02:25,310 the polar exploration ship built in Dundee 29 00:02:25,413 --> 00:02:30,275 in which Scott and Shackleton sailed the Antarctic in 1901. 30 00:02:34,068 --> 00:02:37,206 'Discovery' came home to Dundee for good in 1986, 31 00:02:37,310 --> 00:02:40,862 around the time Kengo Kuma first visited Scotland. 32 00:02:44,517 --> 00:02:46,931 His impression of the landscape, 33 00:02:47,034 --> 00:02:49,448 particularly the cliffs, stayed with him 34 00:02:49,551 --> 00:02:50,689 and, 30 years later, 35 00:02:50,793 --> 00:02:54,724 it would influence his design of Scotland's newest building. 36 00:02:55,896 --> 00:02:58,793 This project is very unique 37 00:02:58,896 --> 00:03:03,103 as it's sitting between water and city, 38 00:03:03,206 --> 00:03:05,206 nature and artefact, 39 00:03:05,310 --> 00:03:07,862 and this is a very, very unique location. 40 00:03:07,965 --> 00:03:11,827 We tried to create the landform 41 00:03:11,931 --> 00:03:14,965 between nature and city 42 00:03:15,068 --> 00:03:18,620 and the cliffs give me many hint 43 00:03:18,724 --> 00:03:21,379 about the shape of the building. 44 00:03:21,482 --> 00:03:24,482 The cliff is showing the composition 45 00:03:24,586 --> 00:03:27,103 between water and the land 46 00:03:27,206 --> 00:03:29,310 and that composition 47 00:03:29,413 --> 00:03:34,896 is naturally creating the soft, organic shape. 48 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:41,448 So, we tried to adapt the shape of cliff 49 00:03:41,551 --> 00:03:44,379 into real building. 50 00:03:44,482 --> 00:03:48,827 It's not easy process to create that kind of shape, 51 00:03:48,931 --> 00:03:54,413 but finally, by using the special concrete bars, 52 00:03:54,517 --> 00:03:58,896 we could achieve that kind of organic effect. 53 00:04:01,379 --> 00:04:05,275 The first time I ever came to Dundee, 54 00:04:05,379 --> 00:04:10,586 this site was occupied by some old buildings - 55 00:04:10,689 --> 00:04:13,827 old factory buildings, old warehouse buildings - 56 00:04:13,931 --> 00:04:20,379 as I couldn't see the river from the site. 57 00:04:20,482 --> 00:04:25,758 But I saw the river from the bridge 58 00:04:25,862 --> 00:04:29,275 and it's just so big, wide and beautiful. 59 00:04:29,379 --> 00:04:33,965 And so, we thought we should integrate 60 00:04:34,068 --> 00:04:37,241 that kind of beautiful river to the city. 61 00:04:37,344 --> 00:04:42,103 And integration is the main theme of this project. 62 00:04:42,206 --> 00:04:45,275 Narrator: The new V&A is part of a £1 billion master plan 63 00:04:45,379 --> 00:04:48,379 to reconnect Dundee city centre with its waterfront, 64 00:04:48,482 --> 00:04:50,931 a connection that was severed in the 1960s 65 00:04:51,034 --> 00:04:53,931 by roads and other unsympathetic development. 66 00:04:55,275 --> 00:04:57,379 There is much talk of Kengo Kuma's building 67 00:04:57,482 --> 00:05:00,965 having the same effect in Dundee in 2018 68 00:05:01,068 --> 00:05:06,689 as Frank Gehry's Guggenheim had in Bilbao in 1997. 69 00:05:06,793 --> 00:05:10,689 But the challenge to turn around Scotland's fourth largest city, 70 00:05:10,793 --> 00:05:12,655 beset by growing unemployment 71 00:05:12,758 --> 00:05:15,517 after industry wound down in the 1980s, 72 00:05:15,620 --> 00:05:17,068 is very great. 73 00:05:18,172 --> 00:05:21,000 The council says it will take 30 years. 74 00:05:21,103 --> 00:05:23,448 The V&A is just the start. 75 00:05:25,896 --> 00:05:29,655 - Up until we had set out the waterfront master plan, 76 00:05:29,758 --> 00:05:32,862 it was an area that was effectively cut off 77 00:05:32,965 --> 00:05:37,379 from Dundonians because of a sort of mini motorway system 78 00:05:37,482 --> 00:05:41,620 with overhead pedestrian bridges and quite brutal architecture. 79 00:05:41,724 --> 00:05:44,206 So what we've done is to sweep all of that away, 80 00:05:44,310 --> 00:05:48,896 put in a very simple and robust gridiron pattern of streets - 81 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,137 very much a European tradition - 82 00:05:51,241 --> 00:05:54,793 and at it's heart we have a major green, open space, 83 00:05:54,896 --> 00:05:56,103 Slessor Gardens. 84 00:05:56,206 --> 00:05:57,965 We've put in a new railway station 85 00:05:58,068 --> 00:05:59,724 as an entry point into the city 86 00:05:59,827 --> 00:06:02,793 and what's coming next are all of the mixed use developments - 87 00:06:02,896 --> 00:06:05,965 the apartments, the offices, the hotels - 88 00:06:06,068 --> 00:06:08,068 that will create that buzz 89 00:06:08,172 --> 00:06:10,724 and bring the whole area to life. 90 00:06:10,827 --> 00:06:13,310 So, it's important that the V&A Museum 91 00:06:13,413 --> 00:06:16,241 sits within that living piece of city. 92 00:06:16,344 --> 00:06:18,206 [seagulls caw] 93 00:06:20,655 --> 00:06:25,068 Narrator: In 2014, Dundee was made a UNESCO City of Design 94 00:06:25,172 --> 00:06:27,413 after a concerted push by the council 95 00:06:27,517 --> 00:06:29,448 to get the city onto the cultural map. 96 00:06:29,551 --> 00:06:34,827 But it was a chance conversation that landed the V&A. 97 00:06:34,931 --> 00:06:38,379 The idea for the museum came from a visit to Dundee 98 00:06:38,482 --> 00:06:42,172 by Mark Jones, the then director of the V&A in South Kensington. 99 00:06:42,275 --> 00:06:45,689 He'd been invited to see the work in our College of Art, 100 00:06:45,793 --> 00:06:48,896 invited by the University of Dundee. 101 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,586 And during the day, we had an informal lunch 102 00:06:51,689 --> 00:06:53,034 while he was in the city 103 00:06:53,137 --> 00:06:55,931 and a few people were also invited - 104 00:06:56,034 --> 00:06:58,551 I was one of the people invited to that lunch. 105 00:06:58,655 --> 00:07:01,689 And over the meal, we spoke about regeneration 106 00:07:01,793 --> 00:07:04,862 and the importance of the arts and culture and creativity 107 00:07:04,965 --> 00:07:05,965 in regeneration, 108 00:07:06,068 --> 00:07:08,448 and it was a very nice lunch and a very nice discussion. 109 00:07:08,551 --> 00:07:13,206 But afterwards, I took Mark on a tour of Dundee waterfront 110 00:07:13,310 --> 00:07:15,862 and he became very interested in what we were doing. 111 00:07:15,965 --> 00:07:18,275 But we thought maybe that was just that, 112 00:07:18,379 --> 00:07:19,689 that was the end of the day. 113 00:07:19,793 --> 00:07:21,137 But afterwards, Mark said, 114 00:07:21,241 --> 00:07:22,896 "Look, I'd like you to come down to London. 115 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,000 "I've got an idea, I think we can work together." 116 00:07:27,344 --> 00:07:28,931 Narrator: The Victoria and Albert Museum 117 00:07:29,034 --> 00:07:31,103 in London identified hundreds of items 118 00:07:31,206 --> 00:07:34,758 that spoke of Scottish design through the ages. 119 00:07:34,862 --> 00:07:37,862 These would form the basis of the new museum's exhibitions. 120 00:07:37,965 --> 00:07:40,724 But the man who would take responsibility from day one 121 00:07:40,827 --> 00:07:43,275 was determined that V&A Dundee 122 00:07:43,379 --> 00:07:47,034 would be a hub for the artists and designers of today. 123 00:07:47,965 --> 00:07:50,103 I do think it's absolutely right 124 00:07:50,206 --> 00:07:51,862 that Scotland should have 125 00:07:51,965 --> 00:07:53,034 a design museum. 126 00:07:53,137 --> 00:07:54,655 We have an amazing creative 127 00:07:54,758 --> 00:07:56,275 heritage in this country, 128 00:07:56,379 --> 00:07:59,448 amongst our artists, our sculptors, 129 00:07:59,551 --> 00:08:01,862 and very much with our designers. 130 00:08:01,965 --> 00:08:05,206 And working on this project has been a revelation to me, 131 00:08:05,310 --> 00:08:10,206 quite how extraordinary our history is in design creativity 132 00:08:10,310 --> 00:08:14,103 and, through that, in entrepreneurship and innovation. 133 00:08:15,413 --> 00:08:17,413 Narrator: Philip Long came here from a post 134 00:08:17,517 --> 00:08:19,000 in the National Galleries of Scotland. 135 00:08:19,862 --> 00:08:21,965 When he arrived in 2011, 136 00:08:22,068 --> 00:08:25,034 Kengo Kuma's plans for the building were controversial, 137 00:08:25,137 --> 00:08:29,379 not because of the design but because of the cost. 138 00:08:29,482 --> 00:08:31,655 The new director put it back on track 139 00:08:31,758 --> 00:08:34,137 by reducing the extent to which the museum 140 00:08:34,241 --> 00:08:35,724 sat out in the River Tay. 141 00:08:37,689 --> 00:08:41,551 - The project had great ambitions very early on 142 00:08:41,655 --> 00:08:45,206 and all of the shortlisted designs 143 00:08:45,310 --> 00:08:49,793 did attempt to place the building out over the river. 144 00:08:49,896 --> 00:08:53,379 In 2012, the project team looked at that 145 00:08:53,482 --> 00:08:55,000 and I think we recognised 146 00:08:55,103 --> 00:08:57,482 quite what a challenge that would be, 147 00:08:57,586 --> 00:09:00,241 so the very sensible decision was taken 148 00:09:00,344 --> 00:09:02,068 to pull it back onto land. 149 00:09:02,172 --> 00:09:04,068 But not completely onto land. 150 00:09:04,172 --> 00:09:05,896 There's still a substantial amount of the building 151 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,103 that does project out into the river, 152 00:09:08,206 --> 00:09:10,068 and I think that's one of the things 153 00:09:10,172 --> 00:09:14,551 that makes it not only exciting to look at and to visit, 154 00:09:14,655 --> 00:09:16,896 but conceptually makes it very important 155 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:21,413 because Kuma's design, vitally, reconnects Dundee the city 156 00:09:21,517 --> 00:09:23,793 with Dundee's river, the River Tay. 157 00:09:26,965 --> 00:09:28,931 Narrator: But the design remained the same - 158 00:09:29,034 --> 00:09:32,620 two inverted pyramids with double-curved concrete walls 159 00:09:32,724 --> 00:09:36,793 to which would be attached 2,500 concrete planks 160 00:09:36,896 --> 00:09:40,344 of different sizes - Kengo Kuma's cliff. 161 00:09:40,448 --> 00:09:43,448 [soaring string music] 162 00:10:02,310 --> 00:10:05,655 Kengo Kuma was born in Yokohama in 1954, 163 00:10:05,758 --> 00:10:07,689 less than 10 years after the Americans 164 00:10:07,793 --> 00:10:09,931 had brought the Second World War to an end 165 00:10:10,034 --> 00:10:14,206 by exploding two atom bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. 166 00:10:15,068 --> 00:10:17,793 [soft, sombre music] 167 00:10:20,655 --> 00:10:22,793 Elsewhere, wartime bombing 168 00:10:22,896 --> 00:10:25,517 had decimated Japan's wooden buildings. 169 00:10:51,103 --> 00:10:57,862 - In Japan, wood was the most important material 170 00:10:57,965 --> 00:11:02,034 and we thought wood 171 00:11:02,137 --> 00:11:05,655 was oldest friend of us 172 00:11:05,758 --> 00:11:11,482 and the softness of this wood and intimacy of the wood 173 00:11:11,586 --> 00:11:15,241 was creating our culture itself. 174 00:11:15,344 --> 00:11:18,344 [sombre music continues] 175 00:11:39,724 --> 00:11:42,758 In 20th century, unfortunately, 176 00:11:42,862 --> 00:11:48,034 the concrete culture civilisations came to Japan 177 00:11:48,137 --> 00:11:54,206 and we lost the warmness of wood. 178 00:11:54,310 --> 00:11:59,448 But now the people are going back to wood. 179 00:11:59,551 --> 00:12:04,793 It's happening everywhere in the world, not only in Japan. 180 00:12:04,896 --> 00:12:06,862 And we are doing... 181 00:12:06,965 --> 00:12:11,206 Everywhere in the world it's because people 182 00:12:11,310 --> 00:12:16,689 really want to revisit nature, really want to feel nature 183 00:12:16,793 --> 00:12:19,103 and wood is the best material 184 00:12:19,206 --> 00:12:22,517 to give that kind of look and softness. 185 00:12:31,068 --> 00:12:35,206 Narrator: Kuma's aim in Japan was to recover the place. 186 00:12:37,655 --> 00:12:40,068 In the mountainous town of Yusuhara 187 00:12:40,172 --> 00:12:42,034 he's returned again and again 188 00:12:42,137 --> 00:12:45,379 to design a wooden bridge-shaped art gallery, 189 00:12:45,482 --> 00:12:48,137 a community market, and two hotels, 190 00:12:48,241 --> 00:12:50,068 as well as the town's offices. 191 00:12:52,275 --> 00:12:56,172 They call this place 'the town above the clouds' 192 00:12:56,275 --> 00:13:00,206 and Kuma clearly sees it as a showcase for his philosophy - 193 00:13:00,310 --> 00:13:02,965 collaborate with the community and with local architects, 194 00:13:03,068 --> 00:13:05,724 use natural materials, 195 00:13:05,827 --> 00:13:08,068 work with the hand. 196 00:13:12,034 --> 00:13:14,551 In 1990s, the... 197 00:13:16,137 --> 00:13:19,482 ..because of the economic crisis in Japan, 198 00:13:19,586 --> 00:13:22,793 we didn't do projects in Tokyo. 199 00:13:22,896 --> 00:13:28,862 So we went to the countryside and we realised 200 00:13:28,965 --> 00:13:31,241 some very small projects with the craftsmen, 201 00:13:31,344 --> 00:13:33,724 local craftsmen with local material. 202 00:13:33,827 --> 00:13:39,551 And I learned many things from those experiences. 203 00:13:39,655 --> 00:13:46,103 And after 2000, we began to work in the big cities, 204 00:13:46,206 --> 00:13:49,379 we began to work in other countries, 205 00:13:49,482 --> 00:13:53,379 and we tried to adapt the method we learned 206 00:13:53,482 --> 00:13:57,241 from the small village in Japan to bigger scale. 207 00:13:58,862 --> 00:14:01,965 But material is different, skill is different, 208 00:14:02,068 --> 00:14:06,241 but the basic attitude to the place is consistent. 209 00:14:07,931 --> 00:14:10,931 [slow, soft strings] 210 00:14:18,310 --> 00:14:22,068 Narrator: He's experimented with exporting Japanese design - 211 00:14:22,172 --> 00:14:24,034 a Japanese garden in Oregon, 212 00:14:24,137 --> 00:14:26,827 a tea pavilion in Vancouver. 213 00:14:26,931 --> 00:14:30,655 He is designing an aquatic centre in Copenhagen. 214 00:14:30,758 --> 00:14:33,000 And of course, the Olympic Stadium. 215 00:14:35,172 --> 00:14:36,896 At the National Stadium, 216 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,620 Kuma has not only used latticed wood on the outside, 217 00:14:40,724 --> 00:14:42,482 he's brought nature inside 218 00:14:42,586 --> 00:14:46,241 by putting trees and planting along the circulation spaces 219 00:14:46,344 --> 00:14:47,965 on every level, 220 00:14:48,068 --> 00:14:49,931 continuing a Japanese tradition 221 00:14:50,034 --> 00:14:52,172 of linking landscape and interior. 222 00:14:53,655 --> 00:14:57,379 Now, a Kengo Kuma design is being built in Scotland - 223 00:14:57,482 --> 00:15:00,000 his first project in the UK. 224 00:15:00,103 --> 00:15:01,689 A cofferdam has been built 225 00:15:01,793 --> 00:15:03,241 to allow the building into the river. 226 00:15:04,586 --> 00:15:08,241 The walls, precast off-site, are being installed, 227 00:15:08,344 --> 00:15:10,827 and the builders and the engineers 228 00:15:10,931 --> 00:15:12,689 have their work cut out. 229 00:15:12,793 --> 00:15:15,793 - What we can see here is the beginnings 230 00:15:15,896 --> 00:15:18,724 of the building emerging from the ground. 231 00:15:18,827 --> 00:15:22,000 The line of the bars, the way that they twist, 232 00:15:22,103 --> 00:15:25,206 shows you already how acute the walls will be 233 00:15:25,310 --> 00:15:27,517 and what the overhang will be. 234 00:15:28,689 --> 00:15:30,827 Dramatic, isn't it? Very dramatic site. 235 00:15:30,931 --> 00:15:33,586 [rhythmic piano] 236 00:15:33,689 --> 00:15:36,689 Narrator: It's not lost on Kengo Kuma or Philip Long 237 00:15:36,793 --> 00:15:38,310 that the V&A in Dundee, 238 00:15:38,413 --> 00:15:40,620 the home of a design museum, 239 00:15:40,724 --> 00:15:43,034 is a piece of design itself. 240 00:15:44,862 --> 00:15:47,000 The building is quite a remarkable one. 241 00:15:47,103 --> 00:15:49,275 I think we are very proud to have a museum 242 00:15:49,379 --> 00:15:53,620 which sets out its design credentials quite so clearly. 243 00:15:55,206 --> 00:15:59,517 Kengo Kuma has designed us a fabulous building, 244 00:15:59,620 --> 00:16:03,482 which I think invites people to think about how design works. 245 00:16:03,586 --> 00:16:07,448 How do we get from the idea of what a building might be 246 00:16:07,551 --> 00:16:09,517 through to its realisation? 247 00:16:09,620 --> 00:16:12,827 Everything from the spaces in the museum 248 00:16:12,931 --> 00:16:15,655 that are fabulously designed for showing great design, 249 00:16:15,758 --> 00:16:17,758 through to how the building itself 250 00:16:17,862 --> 00:16:20,310 is revealed through its structure. 251 00:16:20,413 --> 00:16:22,379 I'm sure it will be of great interest 252 00:16:22,482 --> 00:16:27,000 to designers and architects and engineers to come and see. 253 00:16:31,034 --> 00:16:33,586 Narrator: The building is a technical challenge. 254 00:16:33,689 --> 00:16:36,241 New 3D software had to be created 255 00:16:36,344 --> 00:16:37,620 to render out the shape - 256 00:16:37,724 --> 00:16:39,379 software that would later be used 257 00:16:39,482 --> 00:16:41,172 on the Olympic Stadium in Tokyo. 258 00:16:44,103 --> 00:16:46,517 The complex geometry of this building, 259 00:16:46,620 --> 00:16:49,896 the requirement for very, very fine tolerances, 260 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,310 down to 1mm or 2mm in three-dimensional space, 261 00:16:53,413 --> 00:16:56,310 meant that we had to use a completely different way 262 00:16:56,413 --> 00:16:58,034 of setting out the building. 263 00:16:58,137 --> 00:17:00,448 If you were watching the workmen working on it, 264 00:17:00,551 --> 00:17:01,758 you would have thought 265 00:17:01,862 --> 00:17:03,448 that they were always on their mobile phones. 266 00:17:03,551 --> 00:17:06,448 They weren't on their mobile phones - that was the GPS system 267 00:17:06,551 --> 00:17:08,517 to work out exactly where they were 268 00:17:08,620 --> 00:17:10,793 in three-dimensional space 269 00:17:10,896 --> 00:17:13,896 so they could work to that very, very fine tolerances 270 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,655 that the whole engineering of the building demanded. 271 00:17:16,758 --> 00:17:19,137 Narrator: Philip Long says nothing in his career 272 00:17:19,241 --> 00:17:22,586 really prepared him for a project of this scale, 273 00:17:22,689 --> 00:17:24,620 or for showing it to famous faces. 274 00:17:24,724 --> 00:17:25,689 - And where we're standing, 275 00:17:25,793 --> 00:17:27,827 the sea will return right up to the front of the building. 276 00:17:27,931 --> 00:17:28,827 Oh, wow! 277 00:17:28,931 --> 00:17:31,206 You can really start to see what it's gonna be like 278 00:17:31,310 --> 00:17:32,689 when it's finished. 279 00:17:32,793 --> 00:17:35,103 And how complex it is. 280 00:17:35,206 --> 00:17:37,068 Narrator: He once wanted to be an architect, 281 00:17:37,172 --> 00:17:40,344 like his father before him who worked for Sir Basil Spence, 282 00:17:40,448 --> 00:17:42,517 the designer of Coventry Cathedral. 283 00:17:47,517 --> 00:17:50,068 The architecture is in my family's blood, 284 00:17:50,172 --> 00:17:54,965 and so is naval architecture, in fact, further back. 285 00:17:55,068 --> 00:17:58,862 In the end, I trained as a sculptor and as an artist 286 00:17:58,965 --> 00:18:01,379 and as a designer, so I think all of these things, 287 00:18:01,482 --> 00:18:04,931 I hope, has helped me be sympathetic to the process 288 00:18:05,034 --> 00:18:08,827 of the complexity of the design and construction of this museum. 289 00:18:08,931 --> 00:18:10,344 But I very much hope as well 290 00:18:10,448 --> 00:18:15,689 that it helps me be sympathetic to all of the designers 291 00:18:15,793 --> 00:18:18,689 that we now are very much looking forward to 292 00:18:18,793 --> 00:18:19,758 in the museum. 293 00:18:19,862 --> 00:18:21,896 The museum is showing our heritage 294 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,448 and it is also showing new work. 295 00:18:24,551 --> 00:18:27,551 We want to work with designers to commission new works, 296 00:18:27,655 --> 00:18:30,000 to give opportunities for them. 297 00:18:31,827 --> 00:18:33,310 Narrator: But before Scottish designers 298 00:18:33,413 --> 00:18:34,758 can display their work, 299 00:18:34,862 --> 00:18:37,379 the team behind this ambitious project 300 00:18:37,482 --> 00:18:40,793 has to deliver the vision of Kengo Kuma. 301 00:18:43,896 --> 00:18:46,068 [seagulls caw] 302 00:19:00,103 --> 00:19:02,413 The materials that will mark out the new V&A 303 00:19:02,517 --> 00:19:05,827 as a building of distinction are arriving in Dundee. 304 00:19:07,068 --> 00:19:08,551 It's two years before completion 305 00:19:08,655 --> 00:19:12,517 and the design is testing the contractors. 306 00:19:17,896 --> 00:19:20,482 - This is our first delivery of precast planks 307 00:19:20,586 --> 00:19:22,034 that will be going on this sample panel. 308 00:19:22,137 --> 00:19:25,689 So, each plank follows the curvature of the wall 309 00:19:25,793 --> 00:19:27,620 as well, so each plank's unique. 310 00:19:27,724 --> 00:19:29,689 We've got 20 different elevations 311 00:19:29,793 --> 00:19:31,482 and external façade walls, 312 00:19:31,586 --> 00:19:33,862 so as you're walking into the new V&A, 313 00:19:33,965 --> 00:19:34,965 you'll see all this concrete 314 00:19:35,068 --> 00:19:36,379 stepping in and out of the walls. 315 00:19:39,344 --> 00:19:41,758 - I've been involved as an architect, a designer, 316 00:19:41,862 --> 00:19:45,137 a project manager for 30 years in delivering building projects, 317 00:19:45,241 --> 00:19:48,758 and this is without doubt the pinnacle of those 30 years. 318 00:19:48,862 --> 00:19:50,931 And living in Dundee 319 00:19:51,034 --> 00:19:53,965 and sensing the excitement and engagement of the public 320 00:19:54,068 --> 00:19:56,206 with the building as it comes out of the ground 321 00:19:56,310 --> 00:19:57,689 is also very exciting. 322 00:19:59,896 --> 00:20:03,103 Whereas your average building is a very traditional frame, 323 00:20:03,206 --> 00:20:05,448 very simple, straightforward, 324 00:20:05,551 --> 00:20:07,793 the design of this has required engineering, 325 00:20:07,896 --> 00:20:09,655 sculptural techniques 326 00:20:09,758 --> 00:20:12,965 that are traditional in that it's concrete in its formwork, 327 00:20:13,068 --> 00:20:15,931 but to actually build that structure in its temporary state 328 00:20:16,034 --> 00:20:18,275 requires very, very creative engineering. 329 00:20:23,517 --> 00:20:25,689 Man: I never, ever thought I'd get the opportunity 330 00:20:25,793 --> 00:20:27,862 to work on that type of building. 331 00:20:27,965 --> 00:20:30,517 The complexities of it drive us every day 332 00:20:30,620 --> 00:20:32,310 to stretch our imaginations. 333 00:20:32,413 --> 00:20:35,241 It's just a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. 334 00:20:35,344 --> 00:20:37,000 The external walls that you see, 335 00:20:37,103 --> 00:20:39,000 you see the red and yellow formwork - 336 00:20:39,103 --> 00:20:41,413 all that formwork actually holds up the structure 337 00:20:41,517 --> 00:20:44,517 until all the floors are in place and the roof's in place. 338 00:20:44,620 --> 00:20:47,379 And once the roof's in place, the structure itself takes over. 339 00:20:47,482 --> 00:20:50,758 Following on from that, the precast panel planks 340 00:20:50,862 --> 00:20:54,275 that are gonna be positioned on the external elevations 341 00:20:54,379 --> 00:20:56,103 will start to appear 342 00:20:56,206 --> 00:20:59,068 and people will then see the design concept come to life. 343 00:21:03,896 --> 00:21:06,758 Narrator: And all the while, Kengo Kuma is flying in 344 00:21:06,862 --> 00:21:09,931 to keep an eye on his first project in Britain. 345 00:21:12,413 --> 00:21:14,068 Mike Galloway: Working with Kuma-san 346 00:21:14,172 --> 00:21:15,413 has been really uplifting, 347 00:21:15,517 --> 00:21:19,275 because he's very much against star architecture, 348 00:21:19,379 --> 00:21:22,896 but he is obviously now a very, very well-known name. 349 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,241 And he brought an attitude to the building 350 00:21:25,344 --> 00:21:28,758 which was very much about setting it in its place, 351 00:21:28,862 --> 00:21:32,482 so it's not just here to be some kind of iconic landmark - 352 00:21:32,586 --> 00:21:34,206 it has meaning in its place. 353 00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:38,034 And also, we found that, as with any building project, 354 00:21:38,137 --> 00:21:42,034 there are always problems that crop up with the design 355 00:21:42,137 --> 00:21:45,551 and he always took a problem and improved the building 356 00:21:45,655 --> 00:21:47,344 in resolving that problem. 357 00:21:47,448 --> 00:21:51,827 I don't think I've ever seen any architect consistently do that 358 00:21:51,931 --> 00:21:54,379 on a project that certainly I've been involved in. 359 00:21:55,551 --> 00:21:57,689 Narrator: It's taken four years, 360 00:21:57,793 --> 00:21:59,655 it's challenged the people who built it, 361 00:21:59,758 --> 00:22:01,655 all those walls on a slope. 362 00:22:01,758 --> 00:22:05,310 But most of all, the way it juts out into the River Tay, 363 00:22:05,413 --> 00:22:08,689 less than originally intended but still prominent, 364 00:22:08,793 --> 00:22:11,655 all achieved by holding back the water 365 00:22:11,758 --> 00:22:14,068 in that specially-built dam. 366 00:22:15,862 --> 00:22:18,758 Finally, away comes the cofferdam 367 00:22:18,862 --> 00:22:22,413 and Kengo Kuma's design is revealed. 368 00:22:22,517 --> 00:22:26,517 It's a long way from the wooden buildings of Yusuhara. 369 00:22:31,482 --> 00:22:34,793 I think that, you know, some of his earlier projects 370 00:22:34,896 --> 00:22:36,310 are like little jewel boxes, 371 00:22:36,413 --> 00:22:38,482 but I think that's where he honed his craft 372 00:22:38,586 --> 00:22:40,586 in terms of materiality 373 00:22:40,689 --> 00:22:42,344 and I think, you know, this building, 374 00:22:42,448 --> 00:22:44,724 as large as it is, has... 375 00:22:44,827 --> 00:22:47,793 A lot of its appeal is about the use of materials, 376 00:22:47,896 --> 00:22:50,137 particularly natural materials. 377 00:22:50,241 --> 00:22:52,793 The exterior of the building, if you said to people, 378 00:22:52,896 --> 00:22:54,827 "Well, it's a concrete building" - 379 00:22:54,931 --> 00:22:58,000 that's not the way they perceive the building at all. 380 00:22:58,103 --> 00:23:00,275 It's using that material in a way 381 00:23:00,379 --> 00:23:04,310 which is perhaps unexpected and really impressive. 382 00:23:04,413 --> 00:23:07,413 [uplifting string music] 383 00:23:23,517 --> 00:23:25,482 Narrator: As you might expect from a museum team, 384 00:23:25,586 --> 00:23:29,758 the story of the V&A in Dundee was carefully curated. 385 00:23:30,655 --> 00:23:32,275 The exterior of the building 386 00:23:32,379 --> 00:23:35,724 was there for all to see emerging on the waterfront, 387 00:23:35,827 --> 00:23:38,172 but the interior remained a secret 388 00:23:38,275 --> 00:23:40,551 right up to the day it was opened. 389 00:24:21,206 --> 00:24:22,689 It's opening week. 390 00:24:22,793 --> 00:24:25,931 Kengo Kuma is here and it's press day. 391 00:24:26,827 --> 00:24:28,793 The world will see at last 392 00:24:28,896 --> 00:24:31,517 the interior of the V&A Dundee. 393 00:24:34,344 --> 00:24:37,344 [sweeping orchestral music] 394 00:25:32,655 --> 00:25:34,862 It's been remarkable working with Kengo Kuma. 395 00:25:34,965 --> 00:25:37,068 I think his sensitivities 396 00:25:37,172 --> 00:25:41,793 to what the requirements of a museum are in the 21st century 397 00:25:41,896 --> 00:25:44,275 are really remarkable 398 00:25:44,379 --> 00:25:47,586 and are becoming clearer to us every day. 399 00:25:54,275 --> 00:25:58,000 It's so thoughtful to how visitors 400 00:25:58,103 --> 00:26:01,862 might like to experience a museum. 401 00:26:01,965 --> 00:26:06,413 As one walks into it, it seems to unfold in front of you 402 00:26:06,517 --> 00:26:11,068 and you seem to slow down as you look around it 403 00:26:11,172 --> 00:26:12,620 and up through it, 404 00:26:12,724 --> 00:26:16,379 through the windows that are provided throughout the space 405 00:26:16,482 --> 00:26:19,137 that gives you fantastic views across the city. 406 00:26:19,241 --> 00:26:23,137 Kengo Kuma seems to be brilliant at making an architecture 407 00:26:23,241 --> 00:26:25,275 which interplays, if you like, 408 00:26:25,379 --> 00:26:27,862 with the surroundings roundabout. 409 00:26:27,965 --> 00:26:30,103 That's very important for the site here 410 00:26:30,206 --> 00:26:32,586 and, as a curator of a museum 411 00:26:32,689 --> 00:26:36,034 that makes spaces that are absolutely right 412 00:26:36,137 --> 00:26:39,241 for showing objects in, that works brilliantly too. 413 00:26:43,482 --> 00:26:46,241 Narrator: Here are Kengo Kuma's trademarks. 414 00:26:46,344 --> 00:26:49,000 The use of natural materials. 415 00:26:49,103 --> 00:26:52,137 Fins, this time in oak. 416 00:26:52,241 --> 00:26:53,724 The editing of light. 417 00:26:53,827 --> 00:26:55,965 Views over the water. 418 00:26:56,068 --> 00:26:59,482 And the idea that it is possible in a masonry building 419 00:26:59,586 --> 00:27:03,206 to achieve a certain lightness. 420 00:27:03,310 --> 00:27:08,620 We did use this beautiful oak as a wall, as...[stumbling], 421 00:27:08,724 --> 00:27:13,241 and also we tried to find a unique solution 422 00:27:13,344 --> 00:27:17,827 for fixing the wooden panels to the wall. 423 00:27:17,931 --> 00:27:22,137 And we tried to create a kind of randomness, 424 00:27:22,241 --> 00:27:27,448 and randomness is very important for nature. 425 00:27:27,551 --> 00:27:30,172 [rhythmic flute music] 426 00:27:44,689 --> 00:27:49,931 And we tried to go beyond the geometry of the building. 427 00:27:51,379 --> 00:27:56,137 The normal museum has a... has a cut 428 00:27:56,241 --> 00:27:58,482 exterior and interior, 429 00:27:58,586 --> 00:28:02,827 but this museum, we tried to create connection 430 00:28:02,931 --> 00:28:04,965 between exterior and interior. 431 00:28:13,655 --> 00:28:17,413 - Kengo Kuma was really keen that the wood panel 432 00:28:17,517 --> 00:28:21,310 relates to one's own body and to that sense of scale 433 00:28:21,413 --> 00:28:24,517 which anybody can understand and anybody can really enjoy, 434 00:28:24,620 --> 00:28:27,275 so it's a building which unfolds for you 435 00:28:27,379 --> 00:28:29,172 as you walk into the museum 436 00:28:29,275 --> 00:28:30,931 and it unpacks for you. 437 00:28:31,034 --> 00:28:33,517 So as a visitor, that you don't feel intimidated, 438 00:28:33,620 --> 00:28:36,931 you feel welcomed and you can chart your own path, 439 00:28:37,034 --> 00:28:39,137 which I think is a really exciting prospect 440 00:28:39,241 --> 00:28:41,068 for anybody coming into this museum. 441 00:28:46,206 --> 00:28:48,241 Narrator: In his work, Kengo Kuma 442 00:28:48,344 --> 00:28:51,034 has always attached importance to the void - 443 00:28:51,137 --> 00:28:53,586 in this case, the central exhibition space - 444 00:28:53,689 --> 00:28:59,137 and to that very Chinese and Japanese concept, Zen. 445 00:28:59,241 --> 00:29:05,724 - The void is a very important concept for Japanese building 446 00:29:05,827 --> 00:29:10,103 and it is very much related with Zen. 447 00:29:12,034 --> 00:29:15,241 Zen creates a special atmosphere 448 00:29:15,344 --> 00:29:19,068 where people can feel a sense of nature 449 00:29:19,172 --> 00:29:22,586 and void is the best solution for that kind of space. 450 00:29:23,793 --> 00:29:27,034 The big foyer is a good example of void 451 00:29:27,137 --> 00:29:31,241 and those...the space between two blocks, 452 00:29:31,344 --> 00:29:34,241 that void in the centre of the building, 453 00:29:34,344 --> 00:29:39,827 is to connect the nature and human. 454 00:29:39,931 --> 00:29:42,172 [rhythmic string music] 455 00:29:46,689 --> 00:29:50,931 - I think the building that Kengo Kuma has given the city 456 00:29:51,034 --> 00:29:53,172 is a wonderful living room for the city, 457 00:29:53,275 --> 00:29:56,586 and he means that in the most fundamental sense. 458 00:29:56,689 --> 00:29:58,137 That living room for the city, 459 00:29:58,241 --> 00:29:59,862 we are standing in the main hall now, 460 00:29:59,965 --> 00:30:03,034 we are surrounded by warm wood panelling, 461 00:30:03,137 --> 00:30:06,275 which is a wonderful invitation to a different kind of museum, 462 00:30:06,379 --> 00:30:09,034 which is a museum for everybody to enjoy. 463 00:30:09,137 --> 00:30:11,724 And that warm welcome to the world of design 464 00:30:11,827 --> 00:30:13,724 is something that has infiltrated 465 00:30:13,827 --> 00:30:15,931 every part of the programme that we do. 466 00:30:16,034 --> 00:30:18,482 So, yes, we have a wonderful opening exhibition 467 00:30:18,586 --> 00:30:19,517 on ocean liners, 468 00:30:19,620 --> 00:30:22,000 but we also have permanent collection galleries 469 00:30:22,103 --> 00:30:23,965 telling the story of Scottish design 470 00:30:24,068 --> 00:30:25,482 for the very first time, 471 00:30:25,586 --> 00:30:28,068 project spaces, a designer in residence. 472 00:30:28,172 --> 00:30:30,413 We've got lots of workshops, talks, events. 473 00:30:30,517 --> 00:30:32,724 We've got really something for everybody. 474 00:30:41,482 --> 00:30:44,241 Narrator: When Kengo Kuma first saw Scotland 30 years ago, 475 00:30:44,344 --> 00:30:46,448 he was fascinated by the scenery, 476 00:30:46,551 --> 00:30:49,068 but he also wanted to see the buildings designed 477 00:30:49,172 --> 00:30:52,517 by the Scottish architect Charles Rennie Mackintosh, 478 00:30:52,620 --> 00:30:55,034 especially the Glasgow School of Art. 479 00:30:57,172 --> 00:30:58,551 Fast forward 30 years and, 480 00:30:58,655 --> 00:31:01,758 three months before the opening of the V&A in Dundee, 481 00:31:01,862 --> 00:31:03,862 Mackintosh's landmark building 482 00:31:03,965 --> 00:31:07,379 has been destroyed by fire for the second time. 483 00:31:10,896 --> 00:31:14,275 Mackintosh looms large in the new V&A. 484 00:31:14,379 --> 00:31:18,034 The famous tea room interiors he designed from Miss Cranston 485 00:31:18,137 --> 00:31:21,310 have been taken out of storage and installed here - 486 00:31:21,413 --> 00:31:22,655 a poignant tribute 487 00:31:22,758 --> 00:31:26,068 to one of Scotland's most acclaimed designers. 488 00:31:28,172 --> 00:31:31,172 If you were to ask me what I'm most proud of 489 00:31:31,275 --> 00:31:32,620 in this overall development, 490 00:31:32,724 --> 00:31:35,172 it's certainly the museum, the new institution, 491 00:31:35,275 --> 00:31:37,724 the team that's come into place to develop it. 492 00:31:37,827 --> 00:31:39,655 But I think I am especially proud 493 00:31:39,758 --> 00:31:41,689 of the conservation and restoration 494 00:31:41,793 --> 00:31:46,344 of this original tearoom by Charles Rennie Mackintosh. 495 00:31:46,448 --> 00:31:48,896 It was designed by him for Miss Cranston 496 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,827 at the height of Mackintosh's powers, in 1907, 497 00:31:51,931 --> 00:31:54,896 operated as a tearoom to the 1950s, 498 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,862 and then in 1970, it was pulled out of its original building 499 00:31:58,965 --> 00:32:00,517 and taken into storage. 500 00:32:00,620 --> 00:32:04,517 When we set about developing our design history galleries here, 501 00:32:04,620 --> 00:32:06,103 we wanted to represent Mackintosh 502 00:32:06,206 --> 00:32:07,655 in a very special way, 503 00:32:07,758 --> 00:32:10,413 so we've worked hard with colleagues in Glasgow 504 00:32:10,517 --> 00:32:12,241 and with the city council here 505 00:32:12,344 --> 00:32:15,827 to bring back to life this original tearoom interior 506 00:32:15,931 --> 00:32:19,379 that people can now see after some 50 years. 507 00:32:21,482 --> 00:32:23,103 The tearoom is right at the heart 508 00:32:23,206 --> 00:32:24,931 of the Scottish design galleries 509 00:32:25,034 --> 00:32:27,896 and is really right at the heart of the museum. 510 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,931 Kengo Kuma came 30 years ago to Scotland 511 00:32:31,034 --> 00:32:33,068 looking at Mackintosh buildings, 512 00:32:33,172 --> 00:32:35,965 because he was interested in the avant-garde nature 513 00:32:36,068 --> 00:32:37,517 of Mackintosh's work, 514 00:32:37,620 --> 00:32:39,620 but also that really warm welcome 515 00:32:39,724 --> 00:32:42,862 that he gives to people when you walk into those spaces. 516 00:32:42,965 --> 00:32:45,655 I defy anybody not to be absolutely bowled over 517 00:32:45,758 --> 00:32:48,344 when they walk into the Ingram Street tearoom, 518 00:32:48,448 --> 00:32:49,793 which is the tearoom that we have 519 00:32:49,896 --> 00:32:51,482 right at the centre of the building. 520 00:32:51,586 --> 00:32:53,655 We've worked in partnership with Glasgow Life 521 00:32:53,758 --> 00:32:55,241 and Dundee City Council 522 00:32:55,344 --> 00:32:57,655 to realise this extraordinary interior, 523 00:32:57,758 --> 00:32:59,517 which will be a total surprise for visitors 524 00:32:59,620 --> 00:33:01,000 when they come to the museum. 525 00:33:06,793 --> 00:33:08,482 We are a brand-new museum. 526 00:33:08,586 --> 00:33:09,620 We've got a lot to learn 527 00:33:09,724 --> 00:33:11,586 and we've got the perfect building 528 00:33:11,689 --> 00:33:14,310 and perfect framework within which to do that. 529 00:33:15,137 --> 00:33:17,896 [soft music] 530 00:33:26,344 --> 00:33:28,655 I've worked on many interesting projects, 531 00:33:28,758 --> 00:33:31,413 but this has to really top everything. 532 00:33:31,517 --> 00:33:33,620 I think to be part of a brand-new, 533 00:33:33,724 --> 00:33:37,862 21st-century design museum is the most exciting prospect, 534 00:33:37,965 --> 00:33:40,103 and a museum which really defines the way 535 00:33:40,206 --> 00:33:43,551 that objects are displayed, conversations are had 536 00:33:43,655 --> 00:33:46,137 and the way people enjoy and encounter design 537 00:33:46,241 --> 00:33:47,620 within a any museum context. 538 00:33:47,724 --> 00:33:49,103 It can't get better than this. 539 00:33:54,103 --> 00:33:55,931 Narrator: From Charles Rennie Mackintosh 540 00:33:56,034 --> 00:33:58,724 to the Scottish designers of our time, 541 00:33:58,827 --> 00:34:00,620 this is a new showcase. 542 00:34:01,827 --> 00:34:03,655 A showcase that is instantly attractive 543 00:34:03,758 --> 00:34:05,344 not only to Dundonians, 544 00:34:05,448 --> 00:34:07,758 but also to people from all over Scotland 545 00:34:07,862 --> 00:34:10,655 who come for the opening celebrations 546 00:34:10,758 --> 00:34:12,517 and then keep on coming... 547 00:34:12,620 --> 00:34:14,206 and coming. 548 00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:18,241 500,000 in the first six months. 549 00:34:19,241 --> 00:34:22,137 [singing fades, cheering] 550 00:34:24,482 --> 00:34:25,689 Lewis Capaldi: Thank you all so much. 551 00:34:25,793 --> 00:34:27,896 Narrator: They include the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge. 552 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,034 The Duchess has just become patron of the V&A. 553 00:34:31,137 --> 00:34:35,310 Now Kengo Kuma's design gets Royal approval. 554 00:34:37,379 --> 00:34:40,551 I have been amazed by the breathtaking architecture 555 00:34:40,655 --> 00:34:43,137 and the sheer range of design on display. 556 00:34:44,344 --> 00:34:46,827 But most of all, I've been moved by the passion 557 00:34:46,931 --> 00:34:48,310 of the people who work here 558 00:34:48,413 --> 00:34:50,000 and the dedication of all those 559 00:34:50,103 --> 00:34:53,344 who've helped make this important project succeed. 560 00:34:53,448 --> 00:34:56,965 I'm pleased to declare V&A Dundee officially open. 561 00:34:57,068 --> 00:34:58,724 [applause] 562 00:35:06,620 --> 00:35:10,137 Narrator: It was to have cost £45 million. 563 00:35:10,241 --> 00:35:13,965 It ended up costing £80 million. 564 00:35:14,068 --> 00:35:17,172 But those involved say the value of the V&A to Dundee 565 00:35:17,275 --> 00:35:18,965 is incalculable. 566 00:35:19,068 --> 00:35:21,000 [seagulls caw] 567 00:35:21,103 --> 00:35:22,862 Will it become as famous 568 00:35:22,965 --> 00:35:25,655 as Charles Rennie Mackintosh's Glasgow School of Art? 569 00:35:27,034 --> 00:35:28,896 Will it do for Dundee 570 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,379 what Frank Gehry's Guggenheim did for Bilbao? 571 00:35:32,827 --> 00:35:34,586 Only time will tell. 572 00:35:36,586 --> 00:35:39,689 A building is nothing until it comes alive, 573 00:35:39,793 --> 00:35:42,517 and it's how people interact with that building 574 00:35:42,620 --> 00:35:46,310 and how that building influences their behaviour 575 00:35:46,413 --> 00:35:49,379 and their mood and their futures. 576 00:35:49,482 --> 00:35:52,862 So, I've got great, great hopes for this building, 577 00:35:52,965 --> 00:35:55,896 in terms of what it will do for the importance of design 578 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,827 in Dundee, design in Scotland 579 00:35:57,931 --> 00:36:02,586 and design to every person that comes into the building. 580 00:36:02,689 --> 00:36:04,620 They need to understand 581 00:36:04,724 --> 00:36:06,965 that everyone, in a way, is a designer. 582 00:36:07,931 --> 00:36:10,965 [soft, sweeping music] 583 00:37:51,344 --> 00:37:53,586 Narrator: Next time... 584 00:37:53,689 --> 00:37:55,827 In New York, one of the biggest developments 585 00:37:55,931 --> 00:37:57,103 in the country's history 586 00:37:57,206 --> 00:37:59,965 has chosen Thomas Heatherwick to design its centrepiece. 587 00:38:02,068 --> 00:38:04,172 Inspired by the stepwells of India, 588 00:38:04,275 --> 00:38:06,517 the Vessel has been built in Italy, 589 00:38:06,620 --> 00:38:08,206 shipped across the Atlantic 590 00:38:08,310 --> 00:38:10,655 and erected on Manhattan's West Side. 591 00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:14,655 It's cost $150 million, 592 00:38:14,758 --> 00:38:17,310 it's been a hit with the selfie generation, 593 00:38:17,413 --> 00:38:18,758 and it goes nowhere. 594 00:38:20,206 --> 00:38:23,310 In a sense, we tried to be very idealistic and think, 595 00:38:23,413 --> 00:38:24,344 "What's the best thing 596 00:38:24,448 --> 00:38:26,413 "that we really think should happen here?" 597 00:38:29,172 --> 00:38:31,482 In the development team's mind originally 598 00:38:31,586 --> 00:38:33,793 was that there would be a sculpture. 599 00:38:33,896 --> 00:38:36,482 Of course, identity is done with a sculpture 600 00:38:36,586 --> 00:38:40,689 and in the studio, we've been interested in trying 601 00:38:40,793 --> 00:38:45,586 to break down the idea that there's a functional world 602 00:38:45,689 --> 00:38:46,827 and then there's culture 603 00:38:46,931 --> 00:38:49,482 and that they're two separate things 604 00:38:49,586 --> 00:38:52,206 and that aesthetics and function are two separate things. 605 00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:55,517 To us, how a place makes you feel is its function. 606 00:38:55,620 --> 00:38:58,620 Captioned by Ai-Media ai-media.tv 48554

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