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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,271 --> 00:00:06,138 - Do you know anything about a murder here lately? 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:08,073 - No, not a murder. - Mm-kay. 3 00:00:08,175 --> 00:00:10,542 ♪ ♪ 4 00:00:10,644 --> 00:00:13,645 - tonight on "the first 48: Critical minutes"... 5 00:00:13,748 --> 00:00:15,914 - Doesn't appear to be any forced entry. 6 00:00:16,017 --> 00:00:17,349 - We look back at some of "the first 48's" 7 00:00:17,451 --> 00:00:18,984 most memorable confessions. 8 00:00:19,086 --> 00:00:20,986 - You haven't held back anything? 9 00:00:21,088 --> 00:00:22,588 - A key witness caught in a lie. 10 00:00:22,690 --> 00:00:24,723 - He talks about duct taping the guy up? 11 00:00:24,825 --> 00:00:26,158 - I don't remember that. 12 00:00:26,260 --> 00:00:27,626 - How could you not remember that? 13 00:00:27,728 --> 00:00:29,595 - [sobs] 14 00:00:29,697 --> 00:00:31,697 - then one of the most unexpected admissions 15 00:00:31,799 --> 00:00:33,065 for this dallas detective. 16 00:00:33,167 --> 00:00:35,768 - Did anything happen up at sioux falls? 17 00:00:35,870 --> 00:00:37,069 ♪ ♪ 18 00:00:37,171 --> 00:00:38,337 - and a skilled detective 19 00:00:38,439 --> 00:00:40,172 interviews a possible serial offender. 20 00:00:40,274 --> 00:00:41,774 - Take your time. We ain't rushing. 21 00:00:41,876 --> 00:00:44,410 - I just have a lot of demons. 22 00:00:44,512 --> 00:00:46,345 ♪ ♪ 23 00:00:46,447 --> 00:00:49,481 [dramatic music] 24 00:00:49,583 --> 00:00:55,988 ♪ ♪ 25 00:00:59,627 --> 00:01:01,527 [sirens wailing] 26 00:01:01,629 --> 00:01:04,596 ♪ ♪ 27 00:01:06,333 --> 00:01:08,367 - a good investigator doesn't need a confession 28 00:01:08,469 --> 00:01:09,468 to close their case. 29 00:01:09,570 --> 00:01:11,904 But every detective would like to have one. 30 00:01:12,006 --> 00:01:15,174 Still, not all confessions are what they seem. 31 00:01:15,276 --> 00:01:17,309 As we've learned in this case from tulsa. 32 00:01:17,411 --> 00:01:20,746 [suspenseful music] 33 00:01:20,848 --> 00:01:27,719 ♪ ♪ 34 00:01:30,891 --> 00:01:32,925 [woman crying] 35 00:01:33,027 --> 00:01:34,726 [indistinct radio chatter] 36 00:01:34,829 --> 00:01:37,463 - what's going on? 37 00:01:37,565 --> 00:01:38,630 - ...The inside of the living room 38 00:01:38,732 --> 00:01:40,132 kinda looks a little bit ransacked. 39 00:01:40,234 --> 00:01:42,534 So with that information, I stepped in the door, 40 00:01:42,636 --> 00:01:44,303 I saw the blood. 41 00:01:47,575 --> 00:01:50,375 His name's terry mccorkle. 42 00:01:50,478 --> 00:01:52,678 Male narrator: 66-year-old terry mccorkle 43 00:01:52,780 --> 00:01:55,581 was a recently retired welder and laborer... 44 00:01:55,683 --> 00:01:57,216 ♪ ♪ 45 00:01:57,318 --> 00:01:59,818 who raised two daughters in tulsa. 46 00:01:59,920 --> 00:02:01,587 He lost his wife, shirley, 47 00:02:01,689 --> 00:02:04,223 to cancer two years ago. 48 00:02:04,325 --> 00:02:08,260 ♪ ♪ 49 00:02:08,362 --> 00:02:10,395 - the daughter, she's right here. 50 00:02:15,236 --> 00:02:17,035 Narrator: Detective dianna baumann 51 00:02:17,138 --> 00:02:20,339 will take terry's daughter, marcie, to homicide. 52 00:02:20,441 --> 00:02:27,546 ♪ ♪ 53 00:02:28,549 --> 00:02:30,582 - well, they ransacked. They went through this. 54 00:02:30,684 --> 00:02:32,351 - He's around here. 55 00:02:32,453 --> 00:02:33,519 - The closet. 56 00:02:33,621 --> 00:02:34,853 ♪ ♪ 57 00:02:34,955 --> 00:02:36,021 - oh, yeah. 58 00:02:36,123 --> 00:02:37,756 They beat the hell out of him, all right. 59 00:02:37,858 --> 00:02:39,391 - Yeah. 60 00:02:39,493 --> 00:02:40,392 Tied him up. 61 00:02:40,494 --> 00:02:41,660 ♪ ♪ 62 00:02:41,762 --> 00:02:43,095 it's all duct tape. 63 00:02:43,197 --> 00:02:44,596 They used the tape and everything 64 00:02:44,698 --> 00:02:46,899 to tie him around the-- - yeah, around the pole. 65 00:02:47,001 --> 00:02:48,800 ♪ ♪ 66 00:02:48,903 --> 00:02:50,969 here's a jewelry box that's been emptied. 67 00:02:51,071 --> 00:02:52,604 - Looks like he's been robbed. 68 00:02:52,706 --> 00:02:57,809 ♪ ♪ 69 00:02:57,912 --> 00:03:00,412 - that looks like a drag mark going around the corner. 70 00:03:00,514 --> 00:03:01,713 ♪ ♪ 71 00:03:01,815 --> 00:03:03,849 - yeah, you can see where he drug him. 72 00:03:03,951 --> 00:03:07,419 ♪ ♪ 73 00:03:07,521 --> 00:03:10,322 doesn't appear to be any kind of forced entry. 74 00:03:10,424 --> 00:03:13,125 Whoever did this crime knew him. 75 00:03:13,227 --> 00:03:14,593 ♪ ♪ 76 00:03:14,695 --> 00:03:15,694 we don't have a lot to go on, 77 00:03:15,796 --> 00:03:17,663 but we're gonna try to get him some justice 78 00:03:17,765 --> 00:03:18,997 and his family some justice. 79 00:03:19,099 --> 00:03:24,970 ♪ ♪ 80 00:03:25,072 --> 00:03:27,105 - can you tell me... When's the last time 81 00:03:27,208 --> 00:03:28,574 you talked to him? - Yes. 82 00:03:28,676 --> 00:03:31,710 I haven't talked to my dad since Sunday. 83 00:03:31,812 --> 00:03:33,345 For two days, I didn't hear from him, 84 00:03:33,447 --> 00:03:35,414 and I knew something wasn't right. 85 00:03:35,516 --> 00:03:42,321 ♪ ♪ 86 00:03:47,428 --> 00:03:50,729 - fyi, suspect might be chris wilson. 87 00:03:50,831 --> 00:03:52,331 White male. 88 00:03:52,433 --> 00:03:53,665 I'm gonna put him on a group. 89 00:03:53,767 --> 00:03:54,800 - 10-4. 90 00:03:54,902 --> 00:04:00,806 ♪ ♪ 91 00:04:03,544 --> 00:04:06,044 ♪ ♪ 92 00:04:06,146 --> 00:04:08,146 I don't know who this girl is. 93 00:04:08,249 --> 00:04:09,948 I don't know where adrienne's at. 94 00:04:10,050 --> 00:04:11,750 - That's not adrienne? - That's not adrienne. 95 00:04:11,852 --> 00:04:13,218 ♪ ♪ 96 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,821 - what's her name? - Jimmi. 97 00:04:15,923 --> 00:04:18,257 Narrator: The passenger is jimmi sewell. 98 00:04:18,359 --> 00:04:19,524 ♪ ♪ 99 00:04:20,694 --> 00:04:23,061 - no. No, you can't. 100 00:04:28,269 --> 00:04:29,968 - Nothing's gonna happen with her. 101 00:04:30,070 --> 00:04:31,937 - [scoffs] we'll find out about that, ok? 102 00:04:32,039 --> 00:04:35,207 ♪ ♪ 103 00:04:35,309 --> 00:04:38,810 keeping the victim's vehicle, it's unbelievable. 104 00:04:38,912 --> 00:04:40,912 The girl, if she's been around 105 00:04:41,015 --> 00:04:42,214 even for the last couple of days, 106 00:04:42,316 --> 00:04:44,650 she should have some knowledge about this. 107 00:04:44,752 --> 00:04:46,752 So we'll try to pry that out of her 108 00:04:46,854 --> 00:04:48,720 and then we'll see if he'll talk. 109 00:04:48,822 --> 00:04:51,323 [suspenseful music] 110 00:04:51,425 --> 00:04:57,029 ♪ ♪ 111 00:04:57,131 --> 00:04:58,163 I'm detective kennedy, 112 00:04:58,265 --> 00:05:00,098 and this is detective frazier, ok? 113 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,367 - How's it going? 114 00:05:02,469 --> 00:05:03,702 - I bet. 115 00:05:03,804 --> 00:05:05,170 It's probably in your best interest 116 00:05:05,272 --> 00:05:07,072 to give me everything you know. 117 00:05:08,542 --> 00:05:11,743 So tell me how you know chris. 118 00:05:11,845 --> 00:05:13,979 - Um...I met him through his cousin 119 00:05:14,081 --> 00:05:15,914 who was my best friend. 120 00:05:16,016 --> 00:05:17,215 We hang out a lot. 121 00:05:17,318 --> 00:05:18,850 [tense music] 122 00:05:18,952 --> 00:05:20,452 - when's the first time you saw him in that car 123 00:05:20,554 --> 00:05:21,953 that you got pulled over in? 124 00:05:22,056 --> 00:05:24,056 - It was Monday that he came over with the car. 125 00:05:24,158 --> 00:05:25,824 Narrator: Jimmi says chris picked her up 126 00:05:25,926 --> 00:05:28,627 in the maroon alero two days ago. 127 00:05:28,729 --> 00:05:30,062 - How did he tell you he got that car? 128 00:05:30,164 --> 00:05:32,531 - He said he borrowed it from some guy. 129 00:05:32,633 --> 00:05:35,300 It was a funky last name. Mc-something. 130 00:05:35,402 --> 00:05:37,102 - Mc-something? - Yeah. 131 00:05:37,204 --> 00:05:40,305 - You didn't ask any more questions about this car? 132 00:05:44,545 --> 00:05:45,577 - Well, here's the dilemma you're in. 133 00:05:45,679 --> 00:05:46,845 That car... 134 00:05:46,947 --> 00:05:48,947 We went over to that guy's house today, 135 00:05:49,049 --> 00:05:50,282 and he's dead. 136 00:05:50,384 --> 00:05:51,750 ♪ ♪ 137 00:05:51,852 --> 00:05:54,353 he's murdered. Ok? 138 00:05:54,455 --> 00:05:56,154 ♪ ♪ 139 00:05:56,256 --> 00:05:58,223 - I don't know. You tell me. 140 00:05:58,325 --> 00:05:59,691 Because I think you know a little bit more 141 00:05:59,793 --> 00:06:00,859 than you're telling me. 142 00:06:00,961 --> 00:06:02,794 ♪ ♪ 143 00:06:02,896 --> 00:06:04,763 - he did mention something about getting in a fight, 144 00:06:04,865 --> 00:06:05,931 but I don't know... 145 00:06:06,033 --> 00:06:07,032 ♪ ♪ 146 00:06:07,134 --> 00:06:08,500 - so what did he say about it? 147 00:06:08,602 --> 00:06:10,802 - I mean, not a big deal, really. 148 00:06:10,904 --> 00:06:12,437 I've heard about him fighting before. 149 00:06:12,539 --> 00:06:14,072 - Yeah, but here you are, you're sitting, 150 00:06:14,174 --> 00:06:16,174 riding around on a murdered guy's car. 151 00:06:16,276 --> 00:06:17,976 So we got a little bit of a different dynamic 152 00:06:18,078 --> 00:06:20,412 right now, don't we? - Yes. 153 00:06:20,514 --> 00:06:21,780 I didn't know it was a dead man's car, 154 00:06:21,882 --> 00:06:24,483 believe me, or I would not have been in it. 155 00:06:24,585 --> 00:06:26,084 - So you really don't want to be mixed up 156 00:06:26,186 --> 00:06:27,085 in any of this, do you? 157 00:06:27,187 --> 00:06:28,387 ♪ ♪ 158 00:06:28,489 --> 00:06:29,888 so I don't want you to withhold anything from me 159 00:06:29,990 --> 00:06:31,289 because you do not want to become 160 00:06:31,392 --> 00:06:32,624 an accessory into this. 161 00:06:32,726 --> 00:06:35,560 ♪ ♪ 162 00:06:35,662 --> 00:06:37,662 - he did bring me some jewelry. 163 00:06:37,765 --> 00:06:39,631 Two of the rings that are in my property. 164 00:06:39,733 --> 00:06:41,433 - That they took off of you? 165 00:06:41,535 --> 00:06:44,035 Narrator: Two rings were collected by police 166 00:06:44,138 --> 00:06:45,837 when jimmi was brought in. 167 00:06:45,939 --> 00:06:48,106 - And he didn't give you any details about the rings? 168 00:06:48,208 --> 00:06:49,408 You said, "hey, well, where'd you get this?" 169 00:06:49,510 --> 00:06:50,675 - I didn't say, "hey, where'd you get it?" 170 00:06:50,778 --> 00:06:52,511 - mm-kay. 171 00:06:52,613 --> 00:06:55,580 Anything else that he's given you in the last few days? 172 00:06:55,682 --> 00:06:57,416 - We went shopping. 173 00:06:57,518 --> 00:06:59,518 - How much money did he give you? 174 00:06:59,620 --> 00:07:02,120 - Um...We used his bank card. 175 00:07:02,222 --> 00:07:03,255 - Whose bank card? 176 00:07:03,357 --> 00:07:04,356 ♪ ♪ 177 00:07:04,458 --> 00:07:06,024 - I guess it was his. I don't know. 178 00:07:06,126 --> 00:07:07,192 ♪ ♪ 179 00:07:07,294 --> 00:07:08,960 - you haven't held back anything? 180 00:07:09,062 --> 00:07:10,896 ♪ ♪ 181 00:07:10,998 --> 00:07:13,498 if he tells me something that he told you all this, 182 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:14,633 we're gonna ask some questions 183 00:07:14,735 --> 00:07:15,967 why you didn't open up and tell me that. 184 00:07:16,069 --> 00:07:18,136 - I understand. - So if you got everything out 185 00:07:18,238 --> 00:07:20,338 that you want to get out... - Yes, sir. 186 00:07:20,441 --> 00:07:23,442 ♪ ♪ 187 00:07:23,544 --> 00:07:24,910 - hang loose here. 188 00:07:25,012 --> 00:07:29,781 ♪ ♪ 189 00:07:29,883 --> 00:07:32,417 [suspenseful music] 190 00:07:32,519 --> 00:07:33,852 - chris, I'm detective kennedy. 191 00:07:33,954 --> 00:07:36,288 This is detective frazier. 192 00:07:36,390 --> 00:07:37,689 - What's up, man? 193 00:07:37,791 --> 00:07:41,026 - And I'm gonna talk to you about a case I'm working. 194 00:07:41,128 --> 00:07:42,994 Do you know anything about a murder here lately? 195 00:07:43,096 --> 00:07:45,597 - No, not a murder. - Mm-kay. 196 00:07:45,699 --> 00:07:47,365 We went over to a guy's house. 197 00:07:47,468 --> 00:07:48,834 Guy by the name of terry. 198 00:07:48,936 --> 00:07:51,670 [tense music] 199 00:07:51,772 --> 00:07:54,072 something bad happened over there. 200 00:07:54,174 --> 00:07:56,842 And I think you may have some information about that. 201 00:07:56,944 --> 00:08:00,245 ♪ ♪ 202 00:08:00,347 --> 00:08:01,880 - he's dead? 203 00:08:01,982 --> 00:08:08,186 ♪ ♪ 204 00:08:08,288 --> 00:08:09,721 - you know what, chris? 205 00:08:09,823 --> 00:08:12,491 You know, sometimes we make some bad decisions. 206 00:08:12,593 --> 00:08:14,926 I can tell you're pretty upset about it. 207 00:08:15,028 --> 00:08:16,394 - Just tell us what happened. 208 00:08:16,497 --> 00:08:21,600 ♪ ♪ 209 00:08:21,702 --> 00:08:23,535 - [voice breaking] adrienne and terry 210 00:08:23,637 --> 00:08:25,403 came to pick me up from court. 211 00:08:29,643 --> 00:08:31,710 - So did terry take you somewhere? 212 00:08:31,812 --> 00:08:34,613 - We went to a bar and drank. 213 00:08:34,715 --> 00:08:35,881 ♪ ♪ 214 00:08:35,983 --> 00:08:37,716 - you guys were hanging out. 215 00:08:37,818 --> 00:08:39,684 - And then we went back to his house. 216 00:08:39,786 --> 00:08:41,119 ♪ ♪ 217 00:08:41,221 --> 00:08:42,587 he started talking about adrienne 218 00:08:42,689 --> 00:08:44,723 and how she's worthless and all, and... 219 00:08:44,825 --> 00:08:47,492 I just got mad and punched him. 220 00:08:47,594 --> 00:08:49,160 ♪ ♪ 221 00:08:49,263 --> 00:08:50,395 - where'd you punch him at, buddy? 222 00:08:50,497 --> 00:08:52,531 [chris sobbing] 223 00:08:52,633 --> 00:08:54,165 - [voice breaking] in the head. 224 00:08:54,268 --> 00:08:55,433 ♪ ♪ 225 00:08:55,536 --> 00:08:57,102 - do you know how many times you punched him? 226 00:08:57,204 --> 00:08:58,904 ♪ ♪ 227 00:08:59,006 --> 00:09:00,205 - uh, four. 228 00:09:00,307 --> 00:09:02,641 ♪ ♪ 229 00:09:02,743 --> 00:09:04,242 - what'd you do then? 230 00:09:04,344 --> 00:09:05,577 - I tried to wake him up. 231 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,613 Then I felt, I guess, what is that, remorse? 232 00:09:08,715 --> 00:09:10,315 - Yeah. 233 00:09:10,417 --> 00:09:12,083 - And then he was mumbling stuff under his breath to me, 234 00:09:12,185 --> 00:09:14,219 and I was like-- then I said, "screw it." 235 00:09:14,321 --> 00:09:17,289 ♪ ♪ 236 00:09:17,391 --> 00:09:19,090 I tied him to a pole. 237 00:09:19,192 --> 00:09:20,392 - In the closet? - Yeah. 238 00:09:20,494 --> 00:09:22,327 - Ok. - With a red strap, a rope. 239 00:09:22,429 --> 00:09:23,795 - Mm-kay. 240 00:09:23,897 --> 00:09:27,198 Can you explain to me where all the duct tape came from? 241 00:09:27,301 --> 00:09:29,167 - I don't know. 242 00:09:29,269 --> 00:09:30,969 I don't know where no duct tape came from. 243 00:09:31,071 --> 00:09:33,104 - Well, there was a lot of duct tape and stuff around him. 244 00:09:33,206 --> 00:09:35,373 - There wasn't no duct tape involved. 245 00:09:35,475 --> 00:09:38,443 ♪ ♪ 246 00:09:38,545 --> 00:09:40,445 - did you take anything out of his house 247 00:09:40,547 --> 00:09:41,880 while you were there? 248 00:09:41,982 --> 00:09:44,015 - I took a little bit of jewelry. 249 00:09:44,117 --> 00:09:45,150 ♪ ♪ 250 00:09:45,252 --> 00:09:46,918 narrator: He claims that when he left, 251 00:09:47,020 --> 00:09:49,054 terry was still alive. 252 00:09:49,156 --> 00:09:52,157 ♪ ♪ 253 00:09:52,259 --> 00:09:53,792 - I'll be back with you in a minute. 254 00:09:53,894 --> 00:09:59,464 ♪ ♪ 255 00:09:59,566 --> 00:10:01,266 I ask him about duct tape, he goes, 256 00:10:01,368 --> 00:10:02,534 "I don't use any duct tape." 257 00:10:02,636 --> 00:10:03,835 who knows? 258 00:10:03,937 --> 00:10:06,137 I'm thinking jimmi was straight up, 259 00:10:06,239 --> 00:10:09,240 and so she's probably gonna be a witness in this later. 260 00:10:09,343 --> 00:10:11,543 Well, I need to get chris's phone records. 261 00:10:11,645 --> 00:10:13,178 ♪ ♪ 262 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,614 - I didn't believe chris wilson when he said, 263 00:10:15,716 --> 00:10:17,415 "I didn't know anything about the duct tape." 264 00:10:17,517 --> 00:10:20,485 he was tough because you wanted to believe him 265 00:10:20,587 --> 00:10:23,622 based on kind of his emotional statements. 266 00:10:23,724 --> 00:10:25,991 But at the same time, you knew there was more to it, 267 00:10:26,093 --> 00:10:28,126 and I think he was having a really hard time 268 00:10:28,228 --> 00:10:29,294 getting over the fact that he was gonna 269 00:10:29,396 --> 00:10:30,261 have to say it out loud. 270 00:10:30,364 --> 00:10:33,698 [tense music] 271 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,301 - hey, mark, you got a winner on that search warrant. 272 00:10:36,403 --> 00:10:38,737 Narrator: Chris's phone records are in. 273 00:10:38,839 --> 00:10:41,806 - There's some pretty good text messages. 274 00:10:41,908 --> 00:10:44,576 She said, "take his car." 275 00:10:44,678 --> 00:10:45,744 - really? 276 00:10:45,846 --> 00:10:47,045 ♪ ♪ 277 00:10:47,147 --> 00:10:48,346 - and then he says, 278 00:10:48,448 --> 00:10:50,448 "do you want me to do that?" 279 00:10:50,550 --> 00:10:52,450 "yeah." "ok. 280 00:10:52,552 --> 00:10:55,520 He has a fat bank card, and I know his pin number." 281 00:10:55,622 --> 00:10:57,789 ♪ ♪ 282 00:10:57,891 --> 00:11:01,026 her response? "give it to me." - man. 283 00:11:01,128 --> 00:11:03,495 - "I might have to knock this old man out, babe. 284 00:11:03,597 --> 00:11:05,730 What do I do?" 285 00:11:05,832 --> 00:11:06,698 "do it." 286 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:07,999 ♪ ♪ 287 00:11:08,101 --> 00:11:10,769 she makes a comment about, "I want his jewelry and guns." 288 00:11:10,871 --> 00:11:12,170 - she says that? 289 00:11:12,272 --> 00:11:14,406 Holy [bleep]. 290 00:11:17,678 --> 00:11:19,044 With a homicide suspect, 291 00:11:19,146 --> 00:11:20,845 you always want to be prepared. 292 00:11:20,947 --> 00:11:25,083 You want to have all the ammo necessary 293 00:11:25,185 --> 00:11:27,018 to make them feel it's over. 294 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:28,319 You know everything. 295 00:11:28,422 --> 00:11:31,256 [suspenseful music] 296 00:11:31,358 --> 00:11:36,261 ♪ ♪ 297 00:11:36,363 --> 00:11:38,763 - we're gonna talk right here. 298 00:11:38,865 --> 00:11:40,665 ♪ ♪ 299 00:11:40,767 --> 00:11:43,101 it's up to you. Mm-kay? 300 00:11:43,203 --> 00:11:44,436 - You are being arrested. 301 00:11:44,538 --> 00:11:46,071 - For what? - First-degree murder. 302 00:11:46,173 --> 00:11:48,373 - I didn't do it! - Mm-kay. 303 00:11:48,475 --> 00:11:50,341 Well, I'm just telling you what you're being arrested for. 304 00:11:50,444 --> 00:11:51,309 - Are you serious? - Yeah. 305 00:11:51,411 --> 00:11:53,545 ♪ ♪ 306 00:11:53,647 --> 00:11:55,346 - are you serious? 307 00:11:55,449 --> 00:11:56,981 Sir, I didn't kill anybody. 308 00:11:57,084 --> 00:11:58,817 ♪ ♪ 309 00:11:58,919 --> 00:11:59,951 - I have plenty of evidence 310 00:12:00,053 --> 00:12:01,386 to show that you were involved in this. 311 00:12:01,488 --> 00:12:02,520 [jimmi sobs] 312 00:12:02,622 --> 00:12:04,789 hey, it's time to be a big girl right now. 313 00:12:04,891 --> 00:12:07,258 - I didn't kill anybody. 314 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,195 ♪ ♪ 315 00:12:10,297 --> 00:12:12,630 - do you remember the first time that we spoke? 316 00:12:12,733 --> 00:12:13,965 - Yes, sir. 317 00:12:14,067 --> 00:12:15,433 - There was plenty of things that you left out 318 00:12:15,535 --> 00:12:17,202 in this whole thing, mm-kay? - What--like what? 319 00:12:17,304 --> 00:12:18,837 - I specifically asked you, 320 00:12:18,939 --> 00:12:21,573 "did you know anything about chris hurting somebody?" 321 00:12:21,675 --> 00:12:23,708 how he got the car? 322 00:12:23,810 --> 00:12:25,009 And you said, "no." 323 00:12:25,112 --> 00:12:26,111 ♪ ♪ 324 00:12:26,213 --> 00:12:27,278 - I didn't know it was a dead man's car, 325 00:12:27,380 --> 00:12:28,913 believe me, or I would not have been in it. 326 00:12:29,015 --> 00:12:30,215 ♪ ♪ 327 00:12:30,317 --> 00:12:33,151 - and I've got text messages between him and you. 328 00:12:33,253 --> 00:12:35,854 He's telling you he's with this guy, terry. 329 00:12:35,956 --> 00:12:37,555 - Yeah, you do. 330 00:12:37,657 --> 00:12:38,790 ♪ ♪ 331 00:12:38,892 --> 00:12:41,292 you tell him to take his car. 332 00:12:41,394 --> 00:12:45,997 Then you tell him "to bring me jewelry, money, and guns." 333 00:12:48,568 --> 00:12:49,934 - we're not gonna play the, "oh, I was on xanax, 334 00:12:50,036 --> 00:12:51,002 I didn't know what I was doing." 335 00:12:51,104 --> 00:12:52,137 - no, no, I probably was. 336 00:12:53,807 --> 00:12:56,441 - And then he talks about duct taping the guy up. 337 00:12:56,543 --> 00:12:57,742 You never mentioned that in our interview. 338 00:12:57,844 --> 00:12:58,910 - I don't remember that. 339 00:12:59,012 --> 00:13:00,779 ♪ ♪ 340 00:13:00,881 --> 00:13:02,647 - how could you not remember that? 341 00:13:02,749 --> 00:13:03,948 ♪ ♪ 342 00:13:04,050 --> 00:13:05,416 and then he even asked you, 343 00:13:05,519 --> 00:13:06,885 "do you really want me to go through with this?" 344 00:13:06,987 --> 00:13:08,486 and you said, "yeah." 345 00:13:08,588 --> 00:13:09,954 - I don't remember any of that. 346 00:13:10,056 --> 00:13:14,025 ♪ ♪ 347 00:13:14,127 --> 00:13:15,660 [voice breaking] I didn't do it. 348 00:13:15,762 --> 00:13:17,295 I didn't-- I didn't kill the guy. 349 00:13:17,397 --> 00:13:18,730 - I didn't say you killed him. 350 00:13:18,832 --> 00:13:20,064 But you're a part of it. 351 00:13:20,167 --> 00:13:21,533 You're a principal in this. 352 00:13:21,635 --> 00:13:25,370 ♪ ♪ 353 00:13:25,472 --> 00:13:28,840 at least have some remorse about what happened. 354 00:13:28,942 --> 00:13:30,141 ♪ ♪ 355 00:13:30,243 --> 00:13:32,443 - I'm sure chris killed the guy for... 356 00:13:32,546 --> 00:13:34,012 I don't know what. 357 00:13:34,114 --> 00:13:36,181 He's an old man. He's my dad's age. 358 00:13:36,283 --> 00:13:37,982 ♪ ♪ 359 00:13:38,084 --> 00:13:40,084 he was my dad's age. 360 00:13:40,187 --> 00:13:43,521 I would feel terrible if somebody did that to my dad. 361 00:13:43,623 --> 00:13:44,989 - You would? 362 00:13:45,091 --> 00:13:46,558 - Oh, my god! 363 00:13:46,660 --> 00:13:47,926 [crying] 364 00:13:48,028 --> 00:13:50,295 ♪ ♪ 365 00:13:50,397 --> 00:13:51,663 - own up to what you did. 366 00:13:51,765 --> 00:13:52,797 ♪ ♪ 367 00:13:52,899 --> 00:13:54,265 you remember going shopping. 368 00:13:54,367 --> 00:13:55,834 You remember using the credit card. 369 00:13:55,936 --> 00:13:58,169 But when we start talking about specific texting-- 370 00:13:58,271 --> 00:13:59,804 - lawyer, please. - Oh, man. 371 00:13:59,906 --> 00:14:01,272 - Lawyer. - You just can't remember. 372 00:14:01,374 --> 00:14:03,007 Lawyer? Ok, that's fine. 373 00:14:03,109 --> 00:14:04,309 - Can I call my dad at least? 374 00:14:04,411 --> 00:14:05,944 - No, you can't. 375 00:14:06,046 --> 00:14:08,513 - I just want to say bye to my daughter. Please. 376 00:14:08,615 --> 00:14:10,849 - You'll get phone calls in jail. We're done. 377 00:14:10,951 --> 00:14:13,651 - [sobbing] 378 00:14:13,753 --> 00:14:16,588 I didn't...Kill nobody. 379 00:14:16,690 --> 00:14:18,690 - No, but you're sure a part of it. 380 00:14:18,792 --> 00:14:24,028 ♪ ♪ 381 00:14:24,130 --> 00:14:25,864 - I'm sorry. 382 00:14:25,966 --> 00:14:27,332 I'm [bleep] sorry. 383 00:14:27,434 --> 00:14:34,305 ♪ ♪ 384 00:14:42,415 --> 00:14:43,448 ♪ ♪ 385 00:14:43,550 --> 00:14:44,749 - she instigates it, 386 00:14:44,851 --> 00:14:46,484 and she says, "take his car." 387 00:14:46,586 --> 00:14:48,753 - and "I don't remember sending those." 388 00:14:48,855 --> 00:14:50,255 you don't get to not remember stuff like that. 389 00:14:50,357 --> 00:14:51,289 - Yeah. 390 00:14:51,391 --> 00:14:58,229 ♪ ♪ 391 00:15:03,570 --> 00:15:05,436 - okay. 392 00:15:05,538 --> 00:15:11,342 ♪ ♪ 393 00:15:19,886 --> 00:15:23,187 [suspenseful music] 394 00:15:23,290 --> 00:15:26,457 ♪ ♪ 395 00:15:26,559 --> 00:15:27,759 - homicide detectives see a lot 396 00:15:27,861 --> 00:15:29,360 throughout their careers. 397 00:15:29,462 --> 00:15:31,663 Still, there are moments that are unexpected. 398 00:15:31,765 --> 00:15:33,097 ♪ ♪ 399 00:15:33,199 --> 00:15:35,767 in dallas, texas, detective brian tabor 400 00:15:35,869 --> 00:15:37,201 was investigating the murder of a man 401 00:15:37,304 --> 00:15:38,836 shot in a garage, 402 00:15:38,939 --> 00:15:40,605 and it led to an unforgettable confession. 403 00:15:40,707 --> 00:15:43,541 [tense music] 404 00:15:43,643 --> 00:15:46,110 ♪ ♪ 405 00:15:46,212 --> 00:15:48,680 - it's just a detached garage back there 406 00:15:48,782 --> 00:15:51,349 that they converted to a little living area. 407 00:15:51,451 --> 00:15:52,684 The me's on their way. 408 00:15:52,786 --> 00:15:54,319 - Hey, brian, this is gonna be [indistinct]. 409 00:15:54,421 --> 00:15:55,253 ♪ ♪ 410 00:15:55,355 --> 00:15:57,055 - james lamont stevens. 411 00:15:57,157 --> 00:15:58,790 ♪ ♪ 412 00:15:58,892 --> 00:16:02,393 narrator: The victim is 40-year-old james stevens. 413 00:16:02,495 --> 00:16:04,395 An amputee, he lost his leg 414 00:16:04,497 --> 00:16:06,197 in an accident several years ago 415 00:16:06,299 --> 00:16:09,300 and turned to panhandling to make ends meet. 416 00:16:09,402 --> 00:16:15,740 ♪ ♪ 417 00:16:16,810 --> 00:16:18,076 - there's casings all over. 418 00:16:18,178 --> 00:16:20,345 ♪ ♪ 419 00:16:20,447 --> 00:16:22,146 I think we're up to what, ten or twelve? 420 00:16:22,248 --> 00:16:28,686 ♪ ♪ 421 00:16:34,294 --> 00:16:35,493 ♪ ♪ 422 00:16:35,595 --> 00:16:36,794 narrator: James has been shot 423 00:16:36,896 --> 00:16:38,930 several times in the back. 424 00:16:39,032 --> 00:16:40,698 ♪ ♪ 425 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,634 - suspect just unloaded. 426 00:16:43,737 --> 00:16:47,372 ♪ ♪ 427 00:16:47,474 --> 00:16:49,040 hey, bud, what's your first name? 428 00:16:49,142 --> 00:16:54,078 ♪ ♪ 429 00:16:54,180 --> 00:16:55,880 - do you know anything what happened today? 430 00:17:01,521 --> 00:17:02,887 ♪ ♪ 431 00:17:02,989 --> 00:17:05,323 narrator: He says james' roommate, speedy, 432 00:17:05,425 --> 00:17:08,059 might have been in the room when the shooting happened. 433 00:17:08,161 --> 00:17:09,360 ♪ ♪ 434 00:17:11,097 --> 00:17:12,330 - which one's speedy? 435 00:17:12,432 --> 00:17:13,931 ♪ ♪ 436 00:17:14,034 --> 00:17:16,701 narrator: Speedy is still on the scene. 437 00:17:16,803 --> 00:17:18,669 ♪ ♪ 438 00:17:18,772 --> 00:17:19,804 - we're gonna get him taken down now, 439 00:17:19,906 --> 00:17:21,439 just get him in a more comfortable setting. 440 00:17:21,541 --> 00:17:23,374 Narrator: They take speedy to headquarters 441 00:17:23,476 --> 00:17:25,676 to find out what he knows. 442 00:17:25,779 --> 00:17:32,350 ♪ ♪ 443 00:17:33,420 --> 00:17:34,786 - all right, man. 444 00:17:34,888 --> 00:17:36,087 My name's brian tabor. 445 00:17:36,189 --> 00:17:38,056 I'm a detective with dallas pd. 446 00:17:38,158 --> 00:17:39,657 ♪ ♪ 447 00:17:39,759 --> 00:17:41,292 so you were there. 448 00:17:41,394 --> 00:17:43,361 - Yeah. 449 00:17:43,463 --> 00:17:44,395 - Ok. 450 00:17:44,497 --> 00:17:46,497 Tell me from the very beginning. 451 00:17:46,599 --> 00:17:47,832 ♪ ♪ 452 00:17:49,169 --> 00:17:52,703 - who's we all? 453 00:17:52,806 --> 00:17:55,339 Narrator: Speedy says the previous night, 454 00:17:55,442 --> 00:17:57,542 he and the victim and the victim's girlfriend, 455 00:17:57,644 --> 00:18:01,579 goldie, were in the garage playing dominoes. 456 00:18:02,849 --> 00:18:04,315 - Ok. 457 00:18:09,222 --> 00:18:10,555 - Everything? - Yeah. 458 00:18:10,657 --> 00:18:12,657 - Was she wearing her panties and bra? 459 00:18:14,928 --> 00:18:17,295 - Just completely nude. - Yeah. 460 00:18:17,397 --> 00:18:18,429 ♪ ♪ 461 00:18:31,578 --> 00:18:33,111 - kept on on her getting dressed. 462 00:18:50,630 --> 00:18:51,929 ♪ ♪ 463 00:19:03,510 --> 00:19:05,343 ♪ ♪ 464 00:19:08,715 --> 00:19:11,516 ♪ ♪ 465 00:19:11,618 --> 00:19:13,484 - her name's letisha morgan. 466 00:19:13,586 --> 00:19:14,719 ♪ ♪ 467 00:19:14,821 --> 00:19:16,687 34 years old. 468 00:19:16,789 --> 00:19:18,856 She's been arrested for... 469 00:19:18,958 --> 00:19:21,292 Prostitution two months ago. 470 00:19:21,394 --> 00:19:24,829 ♪ ♪ 471 00:19:24,931 --> 00:19:26,030 huh. 472 00:19:26,132 --> 00:19:27,331 Narrator: Tabor comes across 473 00:19:27,433 --> 00:19:29,133 some surprising information. 474 00:19:29,235 --> 00:19:31,235 - Looks like letisha 475 00:19:31,337 --> 00:19:35,273 was questioned in a murder back in 2010 476 00:19:35,375 --> 00:19:37,742 in sioux falls, south dakota. 477 00:19:37,844 --> 00:19:39,010 ♪ ♪ 478 00:19:42,382 --> 00:19:43,915 they first need to find their suspect. 479 00:19:44,017 --> 00:19:45,550 ♪ ♪ 480 00:19:45,652 --> 00:19:48,119 in dallas, detective tabor learned some surprising news 481 00:19:48,221 --> 00:19:49,287 about his investigation. 482 00:19:49,389 --> 00:19:52,223 [suspenseful music] 483 00:19:52,325 --> 00:19:58,429 ♪ ♪ 484 00:19:58,531 --> 00:20:00,298 [line trills] 485 00:20:01,768 --> 00:20:02,767 - hey, detective webb. 486 00:20:02,869 --> 00:20:04,101 It's brian tabor with dallas pd. 487 00:20:04,204 --> 00:20:05,703 Narrator: Tabor gets ahold of the detective 488 00:20:05,805 --> 00:20:07,371 in charge of the homicide case 489 00:20:07,473 --> 00:20:09,840 in sioux falls, south dakota. 490 00:20:09,943 --> 00:20:11,108 - I don't know much about y'all's case. 491 00:20:11,211 --> 00:20:12,510 What happened on y'all's deal? 492 00:20:16,282 --> 00:20:18,015 ♪ ♪ 493 00:20:30,129 --> 00:20:31,562 ♪ ♪ 494 00:20:37,904 --> 00:20:39,937 ♪ ♪ 495 00:20:40,039 --> 00:20:41,239 - our deal is, she had a, you know, 496 00:20:41,341 --> 00:20:42,873 kind of a boyfriend she was staying with, 497 00:20:42,976 --> 00:20:44,141 and she just shot him. 498 00:20:44,244 --> 00:20:46,344 Uh...She emptied the magazine. 499 00:20:46,446 --> 00:20:47,778 I think she got him 11 times 500 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:49,914 out of the 12 that were in the magazine. 501 00:20:50,016 --> 00:20:51,515 So she just-- 502 00:21:02,562 --> 00:21:04,629 ♪ ♪ 503 00:21:09,402 --> 00:21:10,668 ♪ ♪ 504 00:21:10,770 --> 00:21:13,804 - if we get her, and she's willing to talk, 505 00:21:13,906 --> 00:21:15,806 do you want us to bring up the... 506 00:21:15,908 --> 00:21:17,375 Y'all's case? 507 00:21:21,414 --> 00:21:22,913 - Ok. 508 00:21:23,016 --> 00:21:24,081 ♪ ♪ 509 00:21:24,183 --> 00:21:26,984 [suspenseful music] 510 00:21:27,086 --> 00:21:29,120 ♪ ♪ 511 00:21:29,222 --> 00:21:31,055 narrator: A few days later... 512 00:21:31,157 --> 00:21:37,995 ♪ ♪ 513 00:21:42,435 --> 00:21:44,602 - all right, letisha. 514 00:21:44,704 --> 00:21:47,204 My name is brian tabor, and I'm a detective with 515 00:21:47,307 --> 00:21:49,440 the dallas police department, ok? 516 00:21:49,542 --> 00:21:51,542 Now... 517 00:21:51,644 --> 00:21:54,145 Do you know a guy by the name of james? 518 00:21:56,215 --> 00:21:57,615 - Yes. 519 00:21:59,519 --> 00:22:00,551 - Were y'all dating? 520 00:22:00,653 --> 00:22:02,386 Kinda like a boyfriend, girlfriend type of deal? 521 00:22:02,488 --> 00:22:03,521 - Yeah. 522 00:22:03,623 --> 00:22:04,955 - Did you know that he was staying in... 523 00:22:05,058 --> 00:22:06,557 The back of a garage? 524 00:22:06,659 --> 00:22:08,693 - No. 525 00:22:08,795 --> 00:22:10,828 - So you never been over there to... 526 00:22:10,930 --> 00:22:12,697 You know what happened to james? 527 00:22:15,435 --> 00:22:17,001 - When's the last time you talked to james? 528 00:22:24,110 --> 00:22:25,810 ♪ ♪ 529 00:22:25,912 --> 00:22:28,879 - [stammers] you talked to him before you killed him? 530 00:22:28,981 --> 00:22:30,014 - Ok. 531 00:22:30,116 --> 00:22:31,048 Well, that's what I want to talk-- 532 00:22:31,150 --> 00:22:32,116 what I want to talk to you about. 533 00:22:32,218 --> 00:22:33,451 What happened... 534 00:22:33,553 --> 00:22:35,986 With james? 535 00:22:38,458 --> 00:22:40,558 - What, you walked into the garage and... 536 00:22:44,330 --> 00:22:48,599 ♪ ♪ 537 00:22:48,701 --> 00:22:50,668 - ok, well, that night, I understand 538 00:22:50,770 --> 00:22:52,503 that you and james got into an argument. 539 00:22:52,605 --> 00:22:53,637 - Uh-huh. 540 00:22:53,740 --> 00:22:54,772 - Well, did y'all get into an argument 541 00:22:54,874 --> 00:22:56,707 about you taking your clothes off and... 542 00:22:56,809 --> 00:22:58,909 Walking around the yard naked? 543 00:22:59,011 --> 00:23:00,978 - Well, hey... 544 00:23:03,716 --> 00:23:06,217 - Who, james? 545 00:23:06,319 --> 00:23:07,818 - Does he get mad or does he get jealous? 546 00:23:12,625 --> 00:23:14,525 ...This and that. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 547 00:23:20,299 --> 00:23:22,800 - You were just kind of fed up with the whole situation. 548 00:23:25,304 --> 00:23:26,637 - Ok. 549 00:23:28,941 --> 00:23:29,974 You moved down here from... 550 00:23:31,244 --> 00:23:32,410 - Sioux falls. 551 00:23:32,512 --> 00:23:35,246 What took you to sioux falls? 552 00:23:38,684 --> 00:23:40,718 - It's ok. 553 00:23:43,089 --> 00:23:44,155 ♪ ♪ 554 00:23:44,257 --> 00:23:46,390 - did anything happen up in sioux falls? 555 00:23:46,492 --> 00:23:47,992 - [sighs] 556 00:23:50,062 --> 00:23:51,962 - what happened up there? 557 00:23:52,064 --> 00:23:53,464 ♪ ♪ 558 00:23:53,566 --> 00:23:55,199 - ok. Can you tell me about that? 559 00:23:55,301 --> 00:23:57,201 What happened on that deal? 560 00:24:09,816 --> 00:24:12,116 - A guy that you were dating? 561 00:24:12,218 --> 00:24:14,251 - Yeah. 562 00:24:14,353 --> 00:24:17,321 - Ok. Did you have anything to do with that guy's death? 563 00:24:17,423 --> 00:24:18,856 - No. 564 00:24:18,958 --> 00:24:21,058 - Letisha, you're being honest about everything. 565 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,427 So you had nothing to do with that murder? 566 00:24:26,899 --> 00:24:28,098 ♪ ♪ 567 00:24:31,404 --> 00:24:34,672 ♪ ♪ 568 00:24:36,142 --> 00:24:38,042 - no, no-- look at me, letisha. 569 00:24:38,144 --> 00:24:39,944 Letisha, look at me, please. 570 00:24:40,046 --> 00:24:41,412 - I don't want you to tell me something-- 571 00:24:41,514 --> 00:24:42,947 you did something you did not do. 572 00:24:45,585 --> 00:24:46,784 ♪ ♪ 573 00:24:46,886 --> 00:24:48,252 - well, what happened? 574 00:24:48,354 --> 00:24:50,020 Was he abusive to you? 575 00:24:50,122 --> 00:24:53,424 Was it kind of a similar situation where... 576 00:24:55,995 --> 00:24:57,428 ♪ ♪ 577 00:25:11,477 --> 00:25:12,810 ♪ ♪ 578 00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:18,549 ♪ ♪ 579 00:25:18,651 --> 00:25:20,284 - you remember how many times you stabbed him? 580 00:25:24,056 --> 00:25:26,323 - Do you know what you did afterwards? 581 00:25:28,561 --> 00:25:30,861 - Yeah, um... 582 00:25:39,171 --> 00:25:40,571 - I'm talking about after you stabbed him. 583 00:25:43,576 --> 00:25:49,813 ♪ ♪ 584 00:25:49,916 --> 00:25:52,583 - she admitted to killing james, and... 585 00:25:52,685 --> 00:25:53,851 ♪ ♪ 586 00:25:53,953 --> 00:25:56,954 admitted to--told us why she did it and how she did it. 587 00:25:57,056 --> 00:25:59,490 On the case in sioux falls, 588 00:25:59,592 --> 00:26:01,425 they didn't have enough to file on her. 589 00:26:01,527 --> 00:26:03,327 Getting the confession is what they needed. 590 00:26:03,429 --> 00:26:04,495 Turn around for me. 591 00:26:04,597 --> 00:26:07,097 I'm sure it's gonna be satisfying 592 00:26:07,199 --> 00:26:09,166 that they can close their case for the family's sake. 593 00:26:09,268 --> 00:26:11,368 And get her off the streets, 'cause obviously, 594 00:26:11,470 --> 00:26:13,571 letisha doesn't need to be out there on the streets 595 00:26:13,673 --> 00:26:15,072 with anybody. 596 00:26:15,174 --> 00:26:22,046 ♪ ♪ 597 00:26:36,162 --> 00:26:37,828 - thanksgiving eve. 598 00:26:37,930 --> 00:26:40,631 What I've been told when I got the phone call was, 599 00:26:40,733 --> 00:26:43,901 it was a male wrapped in a blanket on a street. 600 00:26:44,003 --> 00:26:45,336 ♪ ♪ 601 00:26:45,438 --> 00:26:47,471 - atlanta detective david quinn is known 602 00:26:47,573 --> 00:26:50,207 for being very effective in the interview room. 603 00:26:50,309 --> 00:26:52,209 In this next case, 604 00:26:52,311 --> 00:26:53,344 quinn had his hands full 605 00:26:53,446 --> 00:26:54,478 when it appeared someone was targeting 606 00:26:54,580 --> 00:26:55,779 and killing homeless people. 607 00:26:55,881 --> 00:27:00,651 ♪ ♪ 608 00:27:00,753 --> 00:27:02,119 - what's that, brother? 609 00:27:02,221 --> 00:27:03,954 - This gentleman appears to be homeless. 610 00:27:04,056 --> 00:27:05,389 He's sleeping out here on the sidewalk. 611 00:27:05,491 --> 00:27:08,492 ♪ ♪ 612 00:27:08,594 --> 00:27:11,095 shot multiple times. - Ok. 613 00:27:11,197 --> 00:27:15,499 ♪ ♪ 614 00:27:15,601 --> 00:27:17,935 - anybody give dude a name yet? 615 00:27:18,037 --> 00:27:19,670 ♪ ♪ 616 00:27:21,641 --> 00:27:22,973 he's tommy mims. 617 00:27:23,075 --> 00:27:26,076 ♪ ♪ 618 00:27:26,178 --> 00:27:28,145 narrator: 58-year-old tommy mims 619 00:27:28,247 --> 00:27:30,314 was known as can man. 620 00:27:30,416 --> 00:27:33,117 He grew up in a large family in atlanta, 621 00:27:33,219 --> 00:27:36,186 but had been homeless for almost 30 years. 622 00:27:36,288 --> 00:27:41,659 ♪ ♪ 623 00:27:44,563 --> 00:27:46,096 - that one's traveling through... 624 00:27:46,198 --> 00:27:47,598 - There's another one there. 625 00:27:52,571 --> 00:27:53,637 Narrator: Tommy was shot 626 00:27:53,739 --> 00:27:55,205 three times in the chest 627 00:27:55,307 --> 00:27:57,207 and twice in the head. 628 00:27:59,245 --> 00:28:02,079 ♪ ♪ 629 00:28:02,181 --> 00:28:03,547 - yes. - Checks out. 630 00:28:03,649 --> 00:28:05,315 - He was right here. - Let me see. 631 00:28:05,418 --> 00:28:06,984 ♪ ♪ 632 00:28:07,086 --> 00:28:08,452 - it's a big-ass gun. 633 00:28:08,554 --> 00:28:10,220 ♪ ♪ 634 00:28:10,322 --> 00:28:11,321 - he's got two coming out of his head. 635 00:28:11,424 --> 00:28:12,556 - In the head. 636 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,393 - Projectiles came out so pristine. 637 00:28:16,495 --> 00:28:18,028 I mean, they look like teeth. 638 00:28:18,130 --> 00:28:19,830 - And what's that looking like? A .45? 639 00:28:19,932 --> 00:28:21,131 - A big gun. 640 00:28:21,233 --> 00:28:25,335 Either a .357 or a .45 revolver, maybe. 641 00:28:25,438 --> 00:28:27,137 - That's crazy. 642 00:28:27,239 --> 00:28:31,375 ♪ ♪ 643 00:28:31,477 --> 00:28:33,510 looks like it's just a straight-up malice murder. 644 00:28:33,612 --> 00:28:35,479 I mean, what's he got to rob? There's nothing. 645 00:28:35,581 --> 00:28:37,915 His whole life is in that shopping cart up there. 646 00:28:38,017 --> 00:28:40,818 ♪ ♪ 647 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,920 [indistinct chatter] 648 00:28:43,022 --> 00:28:44,488 - hey, quinn. - Mm-hmm. 649 00:28:47,259 --> 00:28:48,859 - You think that's related or what? 650 00:28:52,131 --> 00:28:53,697 - Wow. 651 00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:55,332 Narrator: Three days earlier, 652 00:28:55,434 --> 00:28:57,267 and just a few miles away, 653 00:28:57,369 --> 00:29:00,904 another homeless man, also murdered in his sleep. 654 00:29:02,408 --> 00:29:03,974 - Unbelievable. 655 00:29:04,076 --> 00:29:06,577 - Right now, it looks like almost exactly the same. 656 00:29:06,679 --> 00:29:08,512 Two homeless people, sleeping, 657 00:29:08,614 --> 00:29:10,948 wrapped in blankets and shot to death. 658 00:29:11,050 --> 00:29:12,416 It could be a gang initiation. 659 00:29:12,518 --> 00:29:14,084 It could be racially motivated. 660 00:29:14,186 --> 00:29:17,154 We haven't had anything like this since I've been here. 661 00:29:17,256 --> 00:29:21,225 ♪ ♪ 662 00:29:21,327 --> 00:29:23,994 [suspenseful music] 663 00:29:24,096 --> 00:29:29,700 ♪ ♪ 664 00:29:29,802 --> 00:29:33,137 - the gun in question is a taurus judge .45. 665 00:29:33,239 --> 00:29:34,571 ♪ ♪ 666 00:29:34,673 --> 00:29:36,573 looks like a [bleep] cannon. 667 00:29:36,675 --> 00:29:38,308 This gun is rare. 668 00:29:39,578 --> 00:29:42,713 In the street, you don't see revolvers like this. 669 00:29:42,815 --> 00:29:48,719 ♪ ♪ 670 00:29:48,821 --> 00:29:50,354 [phone ringing] 671 00:29:50,456 --> 00:29:51,655 - this is quinn. 672 00:29:53,425 --> 00:29:54,591 ♪ ♪ 673 00:29:57,129 --> 00:29:58,996 - get the hell outta here. 674 00:29:59,098 --> 00:30:00,464 Hold on, let me get something to write with 675 00:30:00,566 --> 00:30:02,299 so you can-- [stammers] 676 00:30:02,401 --> 00:30:03,734 I know I haven't had any sleep, 677 00:30:03,836 --> 00:30:05,502 but you've got me dreaming over here. 678 00:30:05,604 --> 00:30:08,472 [tense music] 679 00:30:08,574 --> 00:30:15,012 ♪ ♪ 680 00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:19,349 - ...Adam, edward, man... 681 00:30:19,451 --> 00:30:20,951 - Aeman presley. 682 00:30:21,053 --> 00:30:22,152 Narrator: The transit police 683 00:30:22,254 --> 00:30:23,987 are transporting presley to homicide. 684 00:30:24,089 --> 00:30:25,622 - Bye-bye. - All right, bye. 685 00:30:26,492 --> 00:30:27,958 - That's crazy, what just happened. 686 00:30:28,060 --> 00:30:29,459 Just wanna know who he is. 687 00:30:29,562 --> 00:30:34,498 ♪ ♪ 688 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,967 narrator: 34-year-old aeman lovel presley 689 00:30:37,069 --> 00:30:39,703 has felony convictions for terroristic threats 690 00:30:39,805 --> 00:30:41,371 and obstruction. 691 00:30:41,473 --> 00:30:42,673 ♪ ♪ 692 00:30:42,775 --> 00:30:44,308 - he's not gonna want to talk without a lawyer. 693 00:30:44,410 --> 00:30:51,548 ♪ ♪ 694 00:30:52,551 --> 00:30:53,750 all right, I'm gonna see what's up with this brother. 695 00:30:53,853 --> 00:30:59,223 ♪ ♪ 696 00:31:03,062 --> 00:31:04,761 - ended up getting two bags, man. 697 00:31:04,864 --> 00:31:06,597 And they were little. 698 00:31:06,699 --> 00:31:09,299 Sometime it works like that, you know what I mean? 699 00:31:09,401 --> 00:31:11,468 - Initially, coming into that interview room, 700 00:31:11,570 --> 00:31:14,371 you've gotta have some kind of icebreaker. 701 00:31:14,473 --> 00:31:17,174 If you can find that, or you can crack a joke, 702 00:31:17,276 --> 00:31:19,076 or you can somehow lighten this mood of, 703 00:31:19,178 --> 00:31:20,043 "hey, we're getting ready to talk about 704 00:31:20,145 --> 00:31:21,545 you killing somebody." 705 00:31:21,647 --> 00:31:23,313 it's gonna help you in the long run. 706 00:31:23,415 --> 00:31:26,583 ♪ ♪ 707 00:31:26,685 --> 00:31:29,186 - you ever see this cat before? 708 00:31:29,288 --> 00:31:31,922 His name is tommy mims. He's a homeless brother. 709 00:31:32,024 --> 00:31:35,025 He was sleeping in, like, some covers. 710 00:31:35,127 --> 00:31:36,660 And he was shot. 711 00:31:36,762 --> 00:31:39,129 A lot. Ok? 712 00:31:39,231 --> 00:31:41,865 There was another case where this guy right here got killed. 713 00:31:41,967 --> 00:31:43,734 You ever see him before? 714 00:31:43,836 --> 00:31:45,836 His name is dorian jenkins. 715 00:31:46,872 --> 00:31:48,705 What stuck out to me was, 716 00:31:48,807 --> 00:31:50,474 the bullets in this man, 717 00:31:50,576 --> 00:31:52,809 and the bullets in this man here, 718 00:31:52,912 --> 00:31:54,912 they looked exactly the same. 719 00:31:55,014 --> 00:31:58,215 Turns out they both came from the same kind of gun. 720 00:32:00,219 --> 00:32:01,952 Right? - Mm-hmm. 721 00:32:02,054 --> 00:32:04,688 - Well, when you got stopped today, 722 00:32:04,790 --> 00:32:07,291 you had this very same ammo and the gun on you. 723 00:32:07,393 --> 00:32:08,792 ♪ ♪ 724 00:32:08,894 --> 00:32:12,329 if you can't explain this, it is an issue. 725 00:32:12,431 --> 00:32:14,998 Something mental that I need to know about? 726 00:32:17,169 --> 00:32:19,336 - Mm-hmm. 727 00:32:19,438 --> 00:32:21,071 ♪ ♪ 728 00:32:25,477 --> 00:32:27,511 ♪ ♪ 729 00:32:27,613 --> 00:32:29,713 - when you say "demons," what's that mean? 730 00:32:41,927 --> 00:32:43,760 ♪ ♪ 731 00:32:43,862 --> 00:32:45,862 - make me understand this. 732 00:32:46,832 --> 00:32:48,398 Talk about it. Take your time. 733 00:32:50,202 --> 00:32:52,135 - And so... 734 00:33:01,113 --> 00:33:03,046 - You? 735 00:33:06,986 --> 00:33:08,885 - No [bleep]. 736 00:33:08,988 --> 00:33:11,355 I want to see if I can get a job acting. 737 00:33:20,366 --> 00:33:22,299 - Mm-hmm. 738 00:33:25,738 --> 00:33:29,573 ♪ ♪ 739 00:33:36,181 --> 00:33:37,547 - that's for sure. - Well... 740 00:33:49,661 --> 00:33:50,660 - Hm. 741 00:34:01,407 --> 00:34:03,306 ♪ ♪ 742 00:34:15,254 --> 00:34:16,887 - and when was that? 743 00:34:20,426 --> 00:34:22,192 - Shooting him right there in the restaurant? 744 00:34:28,267 --> 00:34:30,033 ♪ ♪ 745 00:34:40,345 --> 00:34:42,079 - no [bleep], right? 746 00:34:44,716 --> 00:34:46,216 - I heard what you had to say, 747 00:34:46,318 --> 00:34:48,218 and I'm just trying to figure out. 748 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:49,686 - I don't want to waste your time. 749 00:34:49,788 --> 00:34:50,787 Just give me a second. 750 00:34:50,889 --> 00:34:51,955 - Well, take your time. 751 00:34:52,057 --> 00:34:54,224 We ain't rushing. We ain't rushing. 752 00:34:54,326 --> 00:34:56,726 Already told my wife I'ma be late anyway. 753 00:35:06,238 --> 00:35:09,039 ♪ ♪ 754 00:35:10,943 --> 00:35:12,742 - take your time. - You know what I'm saying? 755 00:35:20,219 --> 00:35:22,419 - Your life is fluid, brother. 756 00:35:22,521 --> 00:35:25,155 - I know. - Your life is meaningful. 757 00:35:25,257 --> 00:35:26,323 And... 758 00:35:26,425 --> 00:35:27,457 ♪ ♪ 759 00:35:27,559 --> 00:35:31,228 whatever's in you, it's all about the truth, man. 760 00:35:31,330 --> 00:35:32,562 That's it. 761 00:35:32,664 --> 00:35:34,464 That's why we sitting here. 762 00:35:34,566 --> 00:35:35,932 That's it. 763 00:35:36,034 --> 00:35:38,301 ♪ ♪ 764 00:35:41,907 --> 00:35:43,206 - mm-hmm. 765 00:35:44,977 --> 00:35:47,577 - Oh, [bleep]. 766 00:35:48,881 --> 00:35:50,680 - How many do you think it's been altogether? 767 00:35:53,485 --> 00:35:54,918 ♪ ♪ 768 00:35:59,491 --> 00:36:00,490 ♪ ♪ 769 00:36:04,329 --> 00:36:05,529 - in the interview room, 770 00:36:05,631 --> 00:36:08,732 the biggest trick that I learned is... 771 00:36:08,834 --> 00:36:10,834 You move the table, you move all the obstacles 772 00:36:10,936 --> 00:36:13,403 between you and that person. 773 00:36:13,505 --> 00:36:17,174 The power of human touch is massive, you know? 774 00:36:17,276 --> 00:36:18,742 And sometimes a hand on a shoulder 775 00:36:18,844 --> 00:36:22,145 can be the turning point in an interview. 776 00:36:22,247 --> 00:36:25,081 [tense music] 777 00:36:25,184 --> 00:36:26,750 - that's dorian jenkins. 778 00:36:26,852 --> 00:36:29,719 Talk to me about what happened. 779 00:36:29,821 --> 00:36:31,221 - Mm-hmm. 780 00:36:40,232 --> 00:36:41,765 ♪ ♪ 781 00:36:43,635 --> 00:36:45,602 - mm-hmm. 782 00:36:48,874 --> 00:36:50,240 ♪ ♪ 783 00:36:51,643 --> 00:36:52,976 ♪ ♪ 784 00:36:57,783 --> 00:36:59,516 - mm-kay. 785 00:37:04,923 --> 00:37:07,324 Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. 786 00:37:07,426 --> 00:37:14,297 ♪ ♪ 787 00:37:18,170 --> 00:37:20,036 - which one do you want to talk about next? 788 00:37:22,074 --> 00:37:24,107 - The one that came before mr. Jenkins? 789 00:37:24,209 --> 00:37:26,376 Was it in atlanta? 790 00:37:26,478 --> 00:37:28,044 ♪ ♪ 791 00:37:28,146 --> 00:37:30,080 narrator: Presley says he killed his first victim 792 00:37:30,182 --> 00:37:33,049 two months before he killed dorian jenkins. 793 00:37:42,060 --> 00:37:43,193 - What'd he look like? 794 00:37:44,830 --> 00:37:46,129 - Ok. 795 00:37:51,236 --> 00:37:55,338 ♪ ♪ 796 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:56,773 - so... 797 00:37:56,875 --> 00:37:59,409 How did you arrive at mr. Tommy mims? 798 00:37:59,511 --> 00:38:01,011 What happened? 799 00:38:09,321 --> 00:38:11,187 - So what'd you do? 800 00:38:21,033 --> 00:38:23,099 - So the blood lust is driving the bus. 801 00:38:25,103 --> 00:38:27,103 ♪ ♪ 802 00:38:29,341 --> 00:38:30,473 - ok. 803 00:38:34,179 --> 00:38:35,912 - "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." 804 00:38:36,014 --> 00:38:38,648 ♪ ♪ 805 00:38:44,623 --> 00:38:46,222 - mm-hmm. 806 00:38:51,997 --> 00:38:52,962 - Mm-hmm. 807 00:38:55,901 --> 00:38:56,933 Boom. 808 00:39:05,310 --> 00:39:07,010 - Mm-hmm. 809 00:39:12,017 --> 00:39:13,483 - Mm-hmm. 810 00:39:15,620 --> 00:39:18,688 ♪ ♪ 811 00:39:29,267 --> 00:39:32,268 narrator: Ten days after killing tommy mims, 812 00:39:32,371 --> 00:39:34,871 he says he shot a woman in decatur. 813 00:39:34,973 --> 00:39:36,239 ♪ ♪ 814 00:39:43,281 --> 00:39:44,347 ♪ ♪ 815 00:39:44,449 --> 00:39:45,882 - how many times did you shoot? 816 00:39:47,219 --> 00:39:48,585 ♪ ♪ 817 00:39:49,921 --> 00:39:51,988 - there's been nothing else since then. 818 00:39:52,090 --> 00:39:53,256 ♪ ♪ 819 00:40:05,737 --> 00:40:07,303 - you know what? 820 00:40:07,406 --> 00:40:08,938 You just told the truth. 821 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:10,874 ♪ ♪ 822 00:40:10,976 --> 00:40:13,643 narrator: After 5 1/2 hours... 823 00:40:13,745 --> 00:40:15,612 Quinn ends the interview. 824 00:40:15,714 --> 00:40:22,552 ♪ ♪ 825 00:40:24,623 --> 00:40:26,055 - ooh. 826 00:40:28,427 --> 00:40:30,427 - Spread your feet. 827 00:40:30,529 --> 00:40:33,663 - The bullet box I published nationwide yesterday 828 00:40:33,765 --> 00:40:35,799 is in his bag. Who does that? 829 00:40:35,901 --> 00:40:37,066 That's somebody who wants to give it up. 830 00:40:37,169 --> 00:40:39,369 Wants to stop what he's doing. 831 00:40:39,471 --> 00:40:42,806 That wasn't me. I just sat there and listened. 832 00:40:42,908 --> 00:40:45,208 Was humble to my luck today. 833 00:40:45,310 --> 00:40:47,477 That's it, so... 834 00:40:47,579 --> 00:40:48,678 That's it. 835 00:40:48,780 --> 00:40:51,614 [somber music] 836 00:40:51,716 --> 00:40:58,521 ♪ ♪ 837 00:41:01,726 --> 00:41:02,992 - interviewing homicide suspects 838 00:41:03,094 --> 00:41:03,893 that have committed 839 00:41:03,995 --> 00:41:05,929 unthinkable things... 840 00:41:06,031 --> 00:41:07,330 Is gonna stick with you. 841 00:41:07,432 --> 00:41:10,166 But no matter how bad it affects you, 842 00:41:10,268 --> 00:41:12,268 you're gonna do your job, and you're gonna do it well. 843 00:41:12,370 --> 00:41:13,570 ♪ ♪ 844 00:41:13,672 --> 00:41:15,371 because it's about the victims. 845 00:41:15,474 --> 00:41:16,673 It's about their families. 846 00:41:16,775 --> 00:41:18,608 It's about... "if this person did this, 847 00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:20,109 "not letting them ever, ever, ever, 848 00:41:20,212 --> 00:41:21,411 do it to someone else." 849 00:41:21,513 --> 00:41:25,181 ♪ ♪ 61528

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