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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:08,320 'A life that was the stuff of fables. The world didn't notice his birth 2 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:10,480 'in a two-roomed shack. But it noticed his death. 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:11,920 'Elvis Presley, country boy, 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:15,560 'died in a mansion on a street that was named for him.' 5 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,600 'Police estimated that as many as 80,000 mourners gathered 6 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,040 'to pay their last respects to the dead singer.' 7 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,720 POLICE TALK THROUGH MEGAPHONE 8 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,160 'Dozens of people fainted while waiting in the long line, 9 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,280 'and some uncontrollably saddened.' 10 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,280 SHE WAILS 11 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,800 How do you feel about seeing him for the last time? I hate it. 12 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:39,440 I can't believe it. 13 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:41,400 It's just unreal right now. 14 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:43,000 I'm just numb. 15 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,480 I've been very upset since I heard the news. 16 00:00:45,480 --> 00:00:47,600 I just wish he would come back. 17 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,040 CROWD CHEERING 18 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:55,760 Thank you very much. 19 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:07,560 # Now, you can't judge an apple by looking at the tree 20 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:11,960 # You can't judge honey by looking at the bee 21 00:01:11,960 --> 00:01:16,320 # Can't judge a daughter by looking at her mother 22 00:01:16,320 --> 00:01:21,400 # Can't judge a book by looking at the cover... # 23 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,760 'There are plenty of people who think the King is still alive, 24 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,320 'and every once in a while someone claims they've actually seen him. 25 00:01:28,320 --> 00:01:33,360 'In fact, if Elvis is alive, he wears a mask and goes by the name Orion.' 26 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,960 # You can't judge a book by looking at the cover... # 27 00:01:36,960 --> 00:01:39,840 Orion Eckley Darnell, that's your full name? 28 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:41,240 Right. Where you come from? 29 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,720 I was born at Sun Records, in the studio. 30 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:49,040 Do you ever take off your mask? Only when I go through customs. 31 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,840 The multimillion dollar question - are you Elvis or are you not Elvis? 32 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,360 I am Orion. Period. 33 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:03,200 He just had that magic about him. Look at this guy. Who is he? 34 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,800 'Here is Orion on the Sun label with Ebony Eyes. 35 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,800 'Listen to a wonderful voice, and a superstar to be.' 36 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,400 # Oh, the weekend passed 37 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:18,160 # I wouldn't have time 38 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:20,880 # To get home and marry... # 39 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,440 They always tell you, especially down here in Nashville, 40 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,280 sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction. 41 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,280 Well, in Jimmy's case, that's exactly what it was. 42 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:40,440 # ..My beautiful ebony eyes. # 43 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,880 # See the tree, how big it's grown 44 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,680 # But, friends it hasn't been too long 45 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:01,800 # It wasn't big 46 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,640 # You know, I laughed at her and she got mad 47 00:03:07,640 --> 00:03:10,840 # The first day that she planted it 48 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:12,840 # Was just a twig 49 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,120 # Then the first snow came 50 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,840 # And she ran out to brush the snow away 51 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:23,840 # So it wouldn't die 52 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,720 # Came running in all excited 53 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,680 # Slipped and almost hurt herself 54 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:36,160 # I laughed till I cried 55 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,200 # And, honey, I miss you 56 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,960 # And I'm being good 57 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,560 # And, honey, I miss you 58 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,880 # And I'm being good 59 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,480 # And I'd love to be with you 60 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,720 # If only I could... # 61 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,640 Your real name is Jimmy Ellis, isn't it? That's correct. 62 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:19,200 Where are you from? Little town called Orrville, Alabama. 63 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:20,920 CHEERING 64 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:25,200 Orrville, Alabama. It's about 15 miles south of Selma, Alabama. 65 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,720 I know you've heard of Selma, Alabama. 66 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:02,600 Jimmy was sort of famous around our community for being the guy 67 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,040 that could really sing. He could never have any peace and quiet. 68 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:10,200 Folks would always want to get him to, "Sing us a song, Jimmy." 69 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,520 If he was in a good mood, he'd sing one. 70 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,480 If one of his girls had made him mad, he wouldn't sing at all. 71 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,600 # A love is but a love 72 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,200 # A kiss is but a kiss... # 73 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:45,360 We met when we were 18 years old. One of Elvis's songs was playing. 74 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:49,280 One of the ballplayers said, "Do you know who that is singing?" 75 00:05:49,280 --> 00:05:54,000 "Well, sure. It's Elvis Presley." All the guys kind of laughed. 76 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,800 I said, "No, it's not. It's that guy." 77 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:01,880 That was just a shock to hear a guy that sounded like he did. 78 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:09,480 Back then, Elvis was a big deal. You know, he was the thing. 79 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,400 THEY SCREAM 80 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:21,400 What did Jimmy think of Elvis? He loved the way he sang. 81 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,880 He said, "There was nothing Elvis could sing that I can't sing." 82 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,280 I think he knew he had a real talent. 83 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:33,720 It was just unreal that he sounded so much like Elvis. 84 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,200 When we graduated, at the ceremony, 85 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:40,800 he sang some of the most beautiful songs. I knew the music was in him. 86 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,640 You know, it was in his soul. 87 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,160 He'd either entertain you with his singing, 88 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,800 or he'd entertain you with his joking around. 89 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,840 If you were down, you'd be around Jimmy five minutes 90 00:06:51,840 --> 00:06:55,760 and you'd be laughing and cheerful, and forget all your problems. 91 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,640 # You said we had to part 92 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:17,320 # I thought my heart would break 93 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,840 # You were my only love 94 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,720 # It's more than I can t-a-a-a-a-ke... # 95 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:43,360 Then Jimmy had a meeting with Phil Walden with Capricorn Records. 96 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:47,040 He actually offered Jimmy a contract. A recording contract. 97 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,720 This part of the country, people worked hard on land. 98 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,040 You know, this is cattleman country 99 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,600 and farming country and cotton country. 100 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:10,840 And when you talk about being a singer, they just frown on it. 101 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,840 No question about Jimmy. He lived, breathed and ate walking horses. 102 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,800 And actually trained three world champions. 103 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,160 Jimmy was a star, just like he was a star of the stage. 104 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,520 Jimmy's heart wasn't in it. 105 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:52,280 Mr Ellis just constantly pushed Jamie more and more into the horses, 106 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,960 and you could see him sitting on a horse sometimes, 107 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:56,560 he just looked like, "Oh, great." 108 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,760 Mr Ellis groomed him to take over their business, 109 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:05,200 so that, one day, when they weren't there, it would be his. 110 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,400 Daddy was so talented, 111 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,640 but his interest was music. 112 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:43,160 He would sing driving down the road. I mean, it was... 113 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:47,600 Wherever you went, you'd be sitting in a pond somewhere fishing 114 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,400 and he'd just be singing. 115 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,040 Just where you was. 116 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,120 I don't know, I can't explain it. 117 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,240 It's not like a lightning bolt struck him in the head 118 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,840 and, bam, "You can sing now." He was always that way. 119 00:10:03,560 --> 00:10:09,320 # If my lonely tears could talk 120 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:14,480 # I know just what they'd say... # 121 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:19,840 He took me to a little nightclub there in Selma, 122 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,320 and I didn't know he could sing. 123 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,320 I knew nothing about it. 124 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,040 And the guy that ran the nightclub knew him 125 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,160 and encouraged him to get up and sing. 126 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:34,320 And when he opened his mouth, I nearly hit the floor! 127 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,920 # Please come kiss the hurt away 128 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,680 # Oh-oh, make it well 129 00:10:40,680 --> 00:10:43,800 # And take me away 130 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,560 # From this earth 131 00:10:46,560 --> 00:10:51,040 # Wave a spell 132 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,160 # In my lonely, lonely... # 133 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:56,080 Growing up, Elvis was my idol. 134 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,680 I don't guess there's ever been anyone else 135 00:10:58,680 --> 00:11:01,560 that could even touch the way I felt about Elvis. 136 00:11:01,560 --> 00:11:06,760 But when Jimmy started singing, I was astonished. 137 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:10,800 And I think that was it right then. I said, "This is meant to be." 138 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,680 This has to be the man I'm meant to be with the rest of my life. 139 00:11:14,680 --> 00:11:21,600 # And kiss the hurt away! # 140 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:37,200 His dad always thought the music business was a bunch of foolishness. 141 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,760 And I'd heard him say many times, 142 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,960 "I do not know why Jimmy Ellis wants to run off 143 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:48,760 "around the world singing when he has the finest horse farm 144 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,160 "and the most talents of anyone in the country." 145 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,720 And that was so. When you raise three world champions, 146 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,440 you're obviously pretty sharp at what you do. 147 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:02,560 JIMMY: It just got to the point where I had to either go do it full time, 148 00:12:02,560 --> 00:12:04,280 cos that's where my heart was... 149 00:12:05,680 --> 00:12:07,960 ..or either I had to just forget about it. 150 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,280 Well, I couldn't forget about it. 151 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:12,760 The saddest thing to me - 152 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:14,840 it didn't seem to bother him, though - 153 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,280 he laid out all of his saddles and bridles 154 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,280 and everything that belonged to his horses on the ground, 155 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,520 and it was all for sale in his barn. 156 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,000 And to walk through there and see 157 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:30,040 what I felt like was his entire life laying before me, it was... 158 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:31,800 it was heartbreaking to me, 159 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:35,560 but he was so excited to sell everything he had 160 00:12:35,560 --> 00:12:39,840 and go to Los Angeles and try his best to make a career. 161 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:57,280 # Tell him his time is over Say goodbye 162 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:04,160 # And if he asks the reason Then you can tell him why... # 163 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:09,680 His aim was to put together a show that he could take on the road. 164 00:13:09,680 --> 00:13:13,120 I thought, once Hollywood saw him, that would be it. 165 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,760 The drawback was they had one Elvis. 166 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,040 How were they going to make him different? 167 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,800 They worked with him to try to make it about him. 168 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,440 The first thing for him to do was to learn to dance, 169 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,520 and have a stage presence. 170 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:29,000 But it was so hard because, one day, at the end of practice, 171 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,720 when they opened the doors, there was a line. 172 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,480 One of the girls had called a girlfriend and told her, 173 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,280 "You won't believe who's here. 174 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:38,920 "Elvis is in the building, he's practising." 175 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,760 And the girls had lined up outside the door 176 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:43,680 to wait for him to come out. 177 00:13:43,680 --> 00:13:46,000 # Never been loved before 178 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,120 # I can love you better 179 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,360 # Than you've ever been loved before... # 180 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,200 They had him go around and meet with different stars, 181 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,000 and put it in the newspaper to build up interest. 182 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,600 They would just have him go to different parties 183 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,240 to introduce him to Hollywood. 184 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,720 # Than you've ever been loved before 185 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,520 # La-la-la-la 186 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,680 # Oh-oh-oh-oh 187 00:14:10,680 --> 00:14:14,080 # I can love you better... # 188 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:18,160 The people in Hollywood, they're there for the money. 189 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:23,000 They're there for the bottom line. They knew exactly how much he had. 190 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,160 They were going to give him something for his money. 191 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:30,760 But they, in the end, they were going to get all the money he had. 192 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,320 And it didn't take them but about a year to do that. 193 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,360 He had to go back home. 194 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:41,040 He had a child. Little Jim, and his mum and dad, and the farm. 195 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:45,960 It felt like he had really maybe missed the mark 196 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:47,840 because he didn't start at 18. 197 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,520 He knew that it was a fight for a 30-something 198 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,880 to actually make his mark and to have a big career. 199 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,760 It was a very, very defeating time in his life. 200 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,000 A very depressing time in his life. 201 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,120 All of us have had opportunities in life 202 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,440 where we're this close to success, 203 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,720 or something big happening in our lives, you know? 204 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:13,280 For that to fall apart was, obviously, a very depressive time. 205 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:19,040 We ended up engaged, and trying to have a normal life. 206 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:22,040 But he couldn't let it go. He had too much talent. 207 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,880 It was a dream that he could not let go. 208 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,600 That's when we went and stayed with friends of his in Georgia. 209 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,680 He and his girlfriend stayed with us for three months. 210 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,840 And I got an appointment to see Bobby Smith. 211 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,640 Bobby had a little recording studio 212 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:45,720 and he had recorded Otis Redding at one time. 213 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,640 A person called me. He brought a tape down - 214 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:50,480 would I listen to this thing? 215 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:54,840 I listened to it and I said, "I've got an idea." 216 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:58,000 I was in the studio with my band, Avalanche, 217 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,920 and Bobby Smith was our producer. And he said to me, 218 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:04,840 "You need to come in here and listen to this guy." 219 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:06,840 So we walked into Bobby's office, 220 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:10,280 and I seen this tall drink of water, and he had that look, 221 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,680 even then when I first walked in there, I said, 222 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:14,520 "This guy is somebody. He has to be." 223 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,160 You just don't look like that, you know, and not be somebody. 224 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,400 So, Bobby, he's got a big smile on his face. 225 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:22,000 He said, "Listen to this. Who do you think that is?" 226 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,720 And he played this tape. I said, "That sounds like Elvis. 227 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,520 "You're going to tell me that's this guy right there." 228 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,040 Well, Jimmy started to sing right along with the tape. 229 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,000 And I just shook my head and said, 230 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,800 "I just cannot believe what I just heard!" 231 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:36,640 What a combination this would be. 232 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:38,680 Here we are, a disco band, 233 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:43,960 and here comes this pop, country, rockabilly, Elvis sound-alike. 234 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:45,600 Bobby said, "What do you think?" 235 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,560 And I said, "It would be kind of interesting, wouldn't it? 236 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:52,200 "Because people wouldn't know what to think. Let's try it!" 237 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:02,880 # Well, I tossed and turned all night since you've been gone 238 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:09,280 # I cried a pool of tears wanting you to come back home... # 239 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:15,920 Well, before you know it, we had every screaming woman in the town 240 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:20,120 coming to see this big, tall drink of water that sounds like Elvis. 241 00:17:20,120 --> 00:17:23,160 And those girls screamed and hollered, 242 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,320 and I'm seeing them myself. 243 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,040 This guy is unreal on stage. 244 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,760 So I said, "I'll put two records out on you, 245 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:32,720 "let's just see what'll happen." 246 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,960 # Oh, the games you've been playing 247 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,720 # Oh, the games you've been playing... # 248 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:48,560 I was pretty sure that he was "playing around", I'll call it. 249 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,920 Nothing serious with anybody else. 250 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:52,520 As he put it to me, 251 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:56,200 "You're in the driver's seat, what more do you want? 252 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,320 "You're at the head of the line." 253 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,200 Now, to him, that was the best place to be. 254 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,240 To me, I didn't want a line. 255 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,680 And I said, "If you think that I'm going to stay at home 256 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,400 "and you're going to travel out on the road, 257 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,920 "and you're not going to let me go with you, 258 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:13,600 "that's not going to happen." 259 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,200 And I took the ring off and handed it back to him. 260 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,000 And he started laughing, and he said, 261 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,280 "I wonder how many times this is going to go back and forth." 262 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:25,280 And I thought, "Once." 263 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:29,920 And I got a ticket to Los Angeles, and I moved the next day. 264 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:31,960 And I never went back. 265 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,520 So, I put the first record out on him. 266 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,880 We had disc jockeys that, "I'm not going to play you, 267 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:43,720 "you sound too much like Elvis." 268 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:48,680 In the United States, if you sound like Elvis, it's the kiss of death. 269 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,160 Because Elvis was more than just a voice. 270 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,960 He gave all of the people of my generation 271 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,160 a freedom that we hadn't had before. 272 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:01,720 It was a blessing and a curse. 273 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,440 Everybody always said he's an Elvis impersonator, 274 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,280 and that was the furthest thing. 275 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,600 He wanted to get so far away from that, it was crazy. 276 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:14,240 But...God gave him that voice. 277 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:40,880 # Well, I'm not trying to be just like Elvis 278 00:19:42,120 --> 00:19:47,720 # I'm doing my best to make it on my own... # 279 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,720 Jimmy tried all kinds of things. 280 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:55,160 Great recordings, but didn't really do a lot. 281 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:01,000 Bobby Smith, who was producing him, he brought him to Nashville. 282 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:02,840 I always used to tell people, 283 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,400 "If you want to be a model, you go to New York. 284 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,480 "If you want to make cars, go to Detroit. 285 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,920 "If you want to be a star, go to Hollywood. 286 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,400 "If you want to make records, go to Nashville." 287 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,400 I would say probably 1,000 a week come through Nashville 288 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,360 looking for recording contracts. 289 00:20:40,360 --> 00:20:42,560 What percentage of them make it? 290 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,280 Er, probably 1/100 of 1 percent. 291 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,320 Of course, the original Sun Studios are in Memphis. 292 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,800 We are standing in the birthplace of rock and roll. 293 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,760 Sun Studio, Memphis Tennessee. It's where it all began. 294 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,320 Elvis Presley stood on that X and changed history. 295 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:07,000 Shelby bought Sun Records, the label, from Sam Phillips 296 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,120 and moved Sun Records to Nashville. 297 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:14,360 Jimmy Ellis says, "You know Shelby Singleton, don't you?" 298 00:21:14,360 --> 00:21:20,840 He came to see me and I didn't have any idea of how to promote him 299 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,080 because of the way his voice sounded. 300 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,320 You know, if there wasn't an Elvis at that time, 301 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,120 he could have probably been a star. 302 00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:31,480 Jimmy wanted to be a superstar. And he should have been. 303 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:37,720 There was no way that he could have failed if Elvis had never lived. 304 00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:45,720 'Tonight, August 16, reported from the NBC News Centre in New York.' 305 00:21:48,360 --> 00:21:49,600 Good evening. 306 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,880 Elvis Presley died today. He was 42. 307 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:54,760 Apparently, it was a heart attack. 308 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:58,320 When word of Presley's death came, there was a rush on his records. 309 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,080 You can't even buy one here now. They're all sold out. 310 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,120 We had people lined up outside the store this morning 311 00:22:04,120 --> 00:22:06,840 waiting to come in to buy Elvis records. 312 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,560 RCA Records is reportedly working day and night to turn out 313 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,200 as many new albums as it needs to meet the demand. 314 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,760 Charles Osgood, CBS News, New York. 315 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,320 Shelby had an idea. 316 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:26,000 He owned the masters on Jerry Lee Lewis, Charlie Rich, Carl Perkins, 317 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,280 all the old entertainers at Sun Records. 318 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:33,120 I decided I could bring him in and over-dub him on the tracks 319 00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:37,000 and, of course, everybody thought that I'd found an Elvis master 320 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,600 in the catalogue after I'd bought Sun. 321 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,560 How was the label put out on that record? Did not have my name on it. 322 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,560 Right, it didn't have your name on it? It caused a bit of a stir. 323 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,640 Yeah, it was a controversial record. 324 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,560 Bobby was a promotional man and he knew that outrageous schemes 325 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,320 could sometimes draw a lot of attention. 326 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:11,040 Is this Elvis, or is it not? Sort of what he was trying to sell. 327 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,480 And then he started pairing him with other Sun classics - 328 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,400 Carl Perkins and Charlie Rich and Johnny Cash, 329 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:17,920 as if they were old recordings. 330 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,480 The timing was right because all this happened 331 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:25,560 within six months after Elvis had died. 332 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,920 Elvis was getting the credit. That was the only problem, you know? 333 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,080 If someone else is getting the credit, 334 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:32,920 then you don't make the money. 335 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,360 So...I would rather be known for my own ability. 336 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,240 And then we come along with this great idea. 337 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,880 And it gives him something to do. Something that's different. 338 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,720 And now, ladies and gentlemen, if you will, please, 339 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,560 big round of applause. Mr Jimmy Ellis! 340 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,280 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 341 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,520 How's everybody tonight at Nashville South? 342 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,480 CHEERING 343 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,640 Everybody holler one time real loud. 344 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,640 CHEERING Play it. 345 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,720 MUSIC: There You Go by Jimmy Ellis 346 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,360 # There you go... # 347 00:24:16,360 --> 00:24:19,160 We were in a little club called Nashville South. 348 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,080 And I really didn't know who was performing that night. 349 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:26,520 But when music is being played, the music comes right to me. 350 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,520 And I said, "My goodness, who is that?" 351 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,000 He was so magnetic. 352 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,360 The audience was just in his hand. 353 00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:37,120 I met him when he came off the stage and I said, 354 00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:40,520 "You know, I might have something that's going to change your life." 355 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,640 I began Orion in 1977. 356 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,560 The concept of Orion came from what it would be like 357 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,760 to be a prisoner of your own fame, such as Elvis Presley. 358 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,360 So, did you start writing Orion before Elvis died? Oh, yes. 359 00:24:55,360 --> 00:24:59,640 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got real serious about it the day he died. 360 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,880 Because I felt I needed to hurry and finish this. 361 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,280 Because people needed to understand what this poor man went through. 362 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,200 That's what this book is. 363 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:13,280 It's exploring the tragedy of a superstar. 364 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,360 And how he had to escape that tragedy 365 00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:19,080 just to be able to walk down the street. 366 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,760 So, Orion, in order to escape, he fakes his own death. 367 00:25:24,120 --> 00:25:25,920 Gail is a great writer. 368 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,120 And I was writing the songs to go with the book. 369 00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:32,120 We were intending to have a movie, and we had Hollywood interest. 370 00:25:32,120 --> 00:25:36,200 And so, when I met him, I knew there was more to this. 371 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,120 I mean, it was just incredible that he sang like this. 372 00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:41,080 And that he looked like he did. 373 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,520 I told Gail, "I want you to go with me. 374 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,320 "I'm going to show you something you won't believe." 375 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,520 Jimmy had a beautiful voice. 376 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,600 We talked about him doing the songs for the movie, 377 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,200 should there be a movie. 378 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,200 It just seemed meant to be... 379 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,280 that I would be in that club on that night. 380 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,600 Because he did one-nighters at that time. 381 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,360 And he was in his early 30s. 382 00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:25,720 He had been trying to make it for years. 383 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,760 And he needed a vehicle. 384 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,720 He felt like it was the answer to his prayers. 385 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,520 And we actually thought that Jimmy would kind of walk out of that book. 386 00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:51,560 The creation of Orion off of the book was really my idea. 387 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,800 It was part accident and part madman genius. 388 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,120 I thought that I could create this mystique 389 00:26:58,120 --> 00:27:01,840 of everybody thinking that he really was Elvis, 390 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,520 and that he had faked his own death, like the book. 391 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,440 My character hoaxed his death. 392 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,080 Then, all the rumours began. I didn't start them. 393 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,280 Um, about, "Is Elvis dead?" 394 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:19,760 Timing is everything. 395 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:25,120 People were very, very emotional and receptive to anything Elvis. 396 00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:29,120 Shelby Singleton came along at the right time and the right place 397 00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:31,920 with nothing more than a gimmick. 398 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,400 A gimmick. 399 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:34,880 Despicable gimmick. 400 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,640 Shelby says, "Bobby I've got an idea. 401 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,680 "It's going to be up to you to talk him into it. 402 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,320 "It's going to be something he's not going to want to do, 403 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,400 "cos he was a nice-looking person." 404 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,120 He says, "Wear a mask." 405 00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:52,720 I said, "Wear a mask?" 406 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,520 And I said, "He's not going to like that, 407 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,320 "I can tell you that right now." 408 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,280 He was very reluctant. 409 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,760 As a matter of fact, he didn't even like the idea. 410 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,960 But Shelby pretty much persuaded him 411 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,280 that either you put on the mask and you do this, 412 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:09,600 or you go back to Alabama 413 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,400 and see if you can get another deal somewhere else. 414 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,720 He didn't want to do it, but we finally talked him into doing it. 415 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,440 Otherwise, he was just Jimmy Ellis, you know?. 416 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,080 And Jimmy Ellis didn't really mean nothing. 417 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,400 In order to be a successful entertainer, 418 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,080 you have to want it more than you want to breathe. 419 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,280 You have to want it more than air. 420 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,280 And Jimmy desperately, desperately wanted it. 421 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,800 We had a guy who sounded like Elvis. 422 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,240 Maybe if he's photographed a certain way 423 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,280 he could sort of look like Elvis. 424 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:07,000 Left the fans kind of hoping it was Elvis behind that mask. 425 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,520 You have this real guy. They put a mask on him. 426 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,920 And they brought this fictional character alive. 427 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,520 That's all he was - fiction. 428 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,560 Some people give birth to babies. 429 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,200 I gave birth to a 6'4" man with a mask! 430 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,640 It was a hard delivery! 431 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,480 SHE LAUGHS 432 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,280 I didn't even know he was going to go on stage, quite frankly. 433 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,560 I thought they were just up there, going to cut the song 434 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,560 so I could take him to the producer. 435 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,640 I don't know how this got to this. 436 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,120 CHEERING 437 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,720 He's a cross between Elvis and the Lone Ranger. 438 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:46,040 He's called Orion, but his true identity is a well-kept secret. 439 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,080 His character was born in the pages of the book Orion. 440 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,520 The book's here. 441 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,400 I'm here. Which I'm glad of. 442 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,560 I wouldn't know of any other place 443 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,400 I'd rather be right now than to be here. 444 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,800 I think that's the most important thing. 445 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,640 And that we make a few people happy. 446 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,080 # Is my love going a-walking? 447 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,000 # It's a mighty dreary life 448 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,600 # Loneliness can wound a man 449 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,600 # Like the cutting of a knife 450 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,320 # How long must I suffer? 451 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,400 # Tell me, when will I be free? 452 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,640 # Anybody out there wanna be close to me? 453 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,000 # Well, a man can die of hunger 454 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,840 # He can die of thirst, I know 455 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,320 # Loneliness can kill me 456 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:28,920 # Why, this ain't got far to go 457 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,120 # How long must I suffer? 458 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,960 # Tell me, when will I be free? 459 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,280 # Anybody out there wanna make love to me? 460 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:40,400 # Anybody out there wanna come and take my blues away? 461 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,000 # Hold me close and say the words I want to hear you say 462 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,320 # I'm in pain and misery as lonely as can be 463 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:51,440 # Anybody out there wanna make love to me? Oh, yeah! 464 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,280 # Anybody out there wanna make love to me? # 465 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:55,520 Whoo! 466 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,320 How about it, ladies and gentlemen? Put your hands together 467 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,080 for the fantastic Orion, how about it? 468 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,600 That was when it all started right there, that's 1979. 469 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:08,680 It was a phenomenon. I mean, I'd never seen anything like it. 470 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,320 We had sell-out crowds. 471 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,800 I mean, you get a place that seats 1,500 to 2,500 people 472 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,440 and you're selling those out, 473 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,320 that's a lot of people coming out to see you. 474 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,320 You want to hear one more, let him hear you, Orion! 475 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,360 One more song, Orion! 476 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,400 Everyone loves a fairytale 477 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,000 and everyone would like to think you can come back from the dead, 478 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,320 so, let's face it, that's what they were after. 479 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,680 Sun Records would say, "If you could get a tenth of the Elvis fans, 480 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,800 "you'd have millions of fans." They were trying to live through Jimmy 481 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,640 what they would have liked to have lived through through Elvis. 482 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,120 They'd have loved to meet Elvis when he got on his bus, 483 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:50,760 but they could do that with Jimmy. 484 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,600 So you drew that same type fan and many of the same fans. 485 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,320 Elvis that you couldn't talk to, 486 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,720 all of a sudden here's this sort of stand-in Elvis, 487 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,880 taking pictures with you with his arms around you. 488 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,960 Elvis hadn't been able to do that for a long time 489 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,560 and all of a sudden the fans wanted that sort of magical touch 490 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:06,760 would go up and touch him. 491 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,640 He'd hang out afterwards and sign autographs and the fans loved him. 492 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,120 It was an experience, I'm telling you 493 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:16,080 and I have actually seen girls standing there crying, just shaking. 494 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,600 He really affected people, he really did. 495 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:24,000 The lady sitting beside us said, "Do you know that's Elvis?" 496 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,440 She said, "You know why he wears the mask? 497 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,760 "To cover up all the scars that he's got. 498 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,000 "He had plastic surgery to change his looks." 499 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,000 I remember some girl coming up to the stage 500 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,240 with a bouquet of flowers, and comes up reverently 501 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,960 and bows and genuflects and puts it at his feet 502 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:48,160 and I thought, "This is strange. This is just kind of weird." 503 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,480 She obviously thought he was Elvis. 504 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,960 To me, it always has been very obvious if you looked at the man, 505 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,840 even with the mask on, you could tell this was not Elvis Presley. 506 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,680 His eyes were brown, his nose was different. 507 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:05,120 He's built different, he was much taller, he was much younger, 508 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,000 but there were so many people back in the early '80s 509 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,600 who so desperately wanted Elvis to still be alive, 510 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,600 and they took it hook, line and sinker. 511 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,800 It's almost like the fans become part of the fantasy. 512 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,640 They're performing - the singer's performing and they're performing. 513 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,760 They're acting the way they think they're conditioned to act. 514 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,160 It's all just a myth. 515 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,920 We preyed on, not only the fans, but on the press itself. 516 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,480 You know, you couldn't buy the publicity that we did. 517 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,280 The more lies we told, the more people believed them. 518 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,240 One of the things playing up the mystery that this could be 519 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:52,760 the dead Elvis who was still alive is that his first album had 520 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,040 this shiny coffin, 521 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,640 much like the one that Elvis was buried in, on the cover, 522 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,600 so it was as if he's risen from the dead or he's been born again 523 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:00,920 or the coffin is empty - 524 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,200 you could look at it in a lot of different ways. 525 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:08,320 They wanted to put the album on the racks in Walmart and Kmart 526 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,720 but they got objections from the buyers 527 00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:12,720 because of the casket that was on there, 528 00:34:12,720 --> 00:34:14,400 so I had to change the cover on it. 529 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,920 This one originally... 530 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,760 turned into that one. 531 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:28,240 I was, I guess, shocked when the album came out. 532 00:34:28,240 --> 00:34:30,520 Everything from my book was on the back of the album. 533 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,600 This is the prologue of my book 534 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:39,640 and he even had Orion Eckley Darnell as a songwriter. 535 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,560 That's a character in my book. 536 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,880 It had him under the guidance of Mac Weiman, 537 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,320 a character in my book. 538 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,440 Write to Orion, care of Dixie-Land, that's my book. 539 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,720 Everything was my book. 540 00:34:51,720 --> 00:34:55,160 Instead of Graceland, like, down in Memphis, you know, 541 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:59,400 where Elvis lived, in the book Orion, it was called Dixie-Land 542 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,840 and then it said Ribbonsville, Tennessee. 543 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,760 I always knew there was no such place as Ribbonsville, Tennessee. 544 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,160 Where do you call home? Ribbonsville, Tennessee. 545 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:09,840 Well, home is Nashville. 546 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,240 I live in Nashville, but I was born in... Ribbonsville? 547 00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:15,920 ..a little town called Ribbonsville, Tennessee. It's hard to find. 548 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,200 How many people? What's the population? 549 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,360 Well, it was three and now it's two. Where is it? 550 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,400 It's, er... Really, I've never heard of it. 551 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:30,360 You're getting into the mysterious part of my life, Mother. 552 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,640 I mean, he'd just played, like, two weeks before as Jimmy Ellis 553 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,040 and all of a sudden he's in the mask, he's Orion, 554 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,200 and you're not supposed to know who he is. 555 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,480 It's like we're charging everybody $25 if they call him Jimmy, 556 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,600 cos you couldn't call him Jimmy, or the secret would get out. 557 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,400 Taking her character 558 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,960 and creating the character in reality is what we did. 559 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,280 I didn't know they were going to do this 560 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,920 and they never licensed any right to do this. 561 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:56,440 How much were you paid for this? 562 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:57,920 Nothing. 563 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,040 Zilch, zero. Nothing. 564 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:02,600 Nothing! 565 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:07,080 So Shelby said, er, "So sue me." 566 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,800 Well, I will say that we were naive a lot. 567 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,920 We didn't do a lot of things we should have done in contracts. 568 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,720 Back in the early '80s, 569 00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:24,760 Shelby Singleton was the most sued man in Tennessee 570 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,040 for failing to pay 571 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,480 and for doing things... 572 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,560 ..maybe not quite the way they should have been done. 573 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:35,960 Why didn't I sue? 574 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,560 We thought about it, we thought about even getting an injunction. 575 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,520 I didn't want to hurt Jimmy, this was just starting up for him. 576 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,680 I didn't want to hurt Carol Halupke, her songs were getting cut, 577 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,840 so that's basically what happened - they just ran with it 578 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,240 and I kind of was the victim. 579 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,240 # Yeah, the one I love forever is untrue 580 00:36:58,480 --> 00:36:59,720 # And if I could 581 00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:02,440 # You know that I would fly away with you... # 582 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,600 Orion is being billed as the superstar of the '80s 583 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,320 by Shelby Singleton's Sun Record group, here in Nashville. 584 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:12,280 And the response to his singing is almost unbelievable. 585 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,560 A few weeks ago, he put on a show at Nashville's Tennessee Theatre 586 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,120 and was scheduled to go on stage at ten o'clock in the evening. 587 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,600 At four that afternoon, fans started lining up for seats. 588 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,960 What do I like about him? Everything. 589 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,120 This is our 15th time to see him. 590 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,240 How many times have you seen him? Oh, too many times to count. 591 00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:34,760 I thought he was Elvis, I went all the way to Alabama to see who he was, 592 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,640 followed him ever since. 593 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,680 One of the things I admire about you 594 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,160 is you've managed to keep your head about it all. 595 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:45,120 You're getting to be, as they say in the business, a mighty big star. 596 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:46,600 How do you handle it? 597 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,280 It's not hard for me to handle. 598 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,400 I enjoy the fans, I enjoy the publicity, 599 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,560 I enjoy the business, I enjoy my work, 600 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,360 so, you know, it's really not hard for me to handle. 601 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,280 He was developing such a fanfare. 602 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,240 A promoter could take him at any club or any venue, 603 00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:05,960 almost guarantee that they'd sell the place out. 604 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:10,200 Our fan club now, in one year's time, is up to 20,000 members. 605 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:11,800 It's almost to the point now 606 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,200 where your fan club is nearing a cult following. 607 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:19,160 Well, we used to have about 500 fans that would follow him 608 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:20,880 every place that he went. 609 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:25,480 In fact, we had two ladies that lived in their car out in our parking lot 610 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,320 and just waited until he would leave town, 611 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,560 so they could follow him wherever he was going. 612 00:38:31,720 --> 00:38:35,240 When Jimmy would go out on tour, his fans followed right along 613 00:38:35,240 --> 00:38:39,280 behind the bus and they'd travel hundreds, thousands of miles. 614 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,680 It was just so stupid, 615 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,240 but you're following the damn bus, 616 00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:44,960 so you'd look through the back of the bus, 617 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,680 see if they'll stop at the red light and hop out, it's crazy. 618 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,000 How do you like the life on the road? 619 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,400 I think I'm just geared for entertainment life. 620 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:57,960 I like to be on the road. 621 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,960 If I'm on the road nine days a week, I like it. 622 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,800 My agent can tell you that. 623 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,600 But if I'm home for three days, 624 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,200 I'm ready to get back on the road the fourth day. 625 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,720 I remember Daddy flying in from Las Vegas, 626 00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:16,560 just to watch me play ball, 627 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,240 and get home and he'd be gone, had to fly back out. 628 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,800 So he always set aside time for me, 629 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,520 a couple of weeks that there was nobody but me and him. 630 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,160 You know, we fished and so on. 631 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,640 The music business has never been my thing, you know, 632 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,920 born and raised on a farm 633 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,480 and, of course, he was too, raised on a farm, 634 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:43,000 but, you know, he chased his dream. 635 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,040 When Jimmy would come into... 636 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,320 round Orrville after he became Orion, 637 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:52,640 people were critical. 638 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,640 They felt like Jimmy's trying to reach out for the stars 639 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,840 or something, but they would snub him. 640 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,760 I think it bothered Jimmy worse that we all thought it was silly 641 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,880 and many of his close friends would tell him it was silly. 642 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,160 His hometown folks never really accepted him 643 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:20,120 as being any possibility but Jimmy Ellis who wanted to be like Elvis. 644 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,160 Well, I didn't think I was anything 645 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,440 except a guy trying to make a living, you know. 646 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,840 I was not for making people believe that I was somebody else. 647 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,720 I was not for that. 648 00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:34,160 Orion insists that he wants to be known for his own singing 649 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,440 and not because he sounds like Elvis. But that has not been easy. 650 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,360 Quite honestly, when Shelby put the mask on him, 651 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,400 as far as Nashville went, he lost all credibility whatsoever. 652 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,800 Yeah, he's really good, he's got a lovely voice, 653 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,960 but he's got a mask on. 654 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,640 Country and western singer Orion is our guest today, 655 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,960 and, Orion, before you sing, 656 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,400 I want you to tell the audience a little bit about the mask. 657 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,240 I'm not hiding anything. 658 00:41:03,240 --> 00:41:07,320 It's a trademark, it's an idea that the promotional people 659 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,960 in Nashville, Tennessee, came up with. 660 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,600 Shelby Singleton, who is the president of Sun Records, 661 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,040 is probably known in the music business 662 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,520 as one of the most flamboyant promoters in the business. 663 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,960 He'll do most anything to promote a product and... 664 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,880 ..he'll try to do it differently than anyone else does it 665 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,240 and so he wanted to make the thing a little different, 666 00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:33,280 and I'll grant you it's a little different, 667 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,200 when you walk into a crowd of people and you're wearing this mask. 668 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,840 Under his contract with Sun, 669 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,080 he wasn't allowed to take his mask off when he was in the public eye. 670 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,800 Every time we'd come out of a hotel, we'd look in the bushes 671 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,000 and there would be a camera crew set up trying to catch Jimmy 672 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,040 without the mask, so when I'd come back in the room and say, 673 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,120 "Jimmy, the National Enquirer's in the bushes," 674 00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,720 I mean, he had come out and he had to wear the mask 675 00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:01,320 and he hated the mask the entire time he wore it, you know. 676 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:15,400 Well, Shelby had had a contract with Walmart that if ever an album 677 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,560 came out on Orion, we'd have to go into Walmart at a certain time 678 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,200 and autograph records, you know. 679 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,760 You can imagine people in the shop buying groceries 680 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,000 and looked around and seeing a masked man - 681 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,520 oh, he hated that more than anything and I hated it too. 682 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:43,200 I think even from the start, Jimmy Ellis wasn't completely sure 683 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,600 this was a great idea, but it worked. 684 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,760 It worked so well and it was so successful 685 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,800 and this is after years of not being successful, all of a sudden he has, 686 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,280 you know, records are selling, 687 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,280 he has people showing up wanting to hear him 688 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,960 and not just wanting to hear him but going crazy, you know, 689 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,840 and rushing the stage and grabbing in on him. 690 00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,160 It had to be heady but, at the same time, you know, 691 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,120 he knew he was selling something that wasn't quite him. 692 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,680 As much as he hated being under the mask, 693 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:32,480 he did have a weakness...for women. 694 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:38,200 He was a complicated person, he wasn't Mr Happy-Go-Lucky. 695 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,960 I mean, he had some issues about women. 696 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:46,560 He had a lot of women in his life, a lot. 697 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:52,160 Elaine Thompson was in the audience and ended up being his girlfriend 698 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:53,920 and he married her. 699 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,800 She was more like a groupie that was following him around, 700 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,760 but he had a lot of other girls following him around the same time 701 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:06,080 and he seemed to stick with her more than the rest of them, 702 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,680 although there were many women. 703 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,840 Jimmy was married to Elaine twice in the early '80s. 704 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,680 They divorced twice. 705 00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,200 They had a very rocky on-again, off-again relationship, 706 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,880 probably somewhat like Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton, 707 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,640 quite stormy. 708 00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,800 Elaine was a spitfire, she never trusted him 709 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:32,000 and I guess she shouldn't have, but he never trusted her either. 710 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,120 They were both, like, tit-for-tat. 711 00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,480 What one did, the other one did just as much. 712 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,800 Jimmy was never, ever true to one woman. 713 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,200 It was just like he was a chauvinist pig at that point in time 714 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:44,840 cos he could have it all. 715 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,120 It would never be a secret where he was staying at, 716 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,080 every room would be booked by fans. 717 00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,800 You know, it was just a big party the whole time he was there. 718 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,800 He would call from room to room to room. 719 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,080 He didn't like to sleep alone, he didn't want to be alone 720 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:00,960 when he went to sleep. 721 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,120 I don't know why, but he didn't, and you'd think, 722 00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,400 "No, I'm not coming to your room, I saw what just left your room." 723 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,760 I never did some of the things the others did. 724 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,320 I was asked to do some, 725 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,160 but I never did that 726 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,040 cos I know he did have a briefcase full of pictures - 727 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,800 he would be happy to show you that - and I'd be like, 728 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,640 "I don't want to see that, I work at those all day long. 729 00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,640 "I see those where I work, I don't need to see that here." 730 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:28,760 But he was into... What do you mean? 731 00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:32,760 I worked for a gynaecologist and he's got pictures of every... 732 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,440 Lucy is what I call mine. ..every Lucy in town. 733 00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,000 He'd be like... He did! 734 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,560 Oh, he was silly. I don't know why. 735 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:46,920 It's like a trophy collector, he had hundreds of Polaroids 736 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,640 and how did he know whose was whose is what I want to know. 737 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,560 He said, "Those women, 738 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,680 "they don't mean any more to me than smoking a cigarette." 739 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,080 And they didn't. 740 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:06,080 I almost felt he was sort of afraid to trust people wholeheartedly. 741 00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:07,800 Afraid of being hurt. 742 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,880 To me, he acted like somebody that had been hurt badly. 743 00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,760 By who, I don't know. 744 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:41,440 Daddy had a rough childhood from birth to five years old, 745 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:46,720 until my grandparents, his adopted parents, found him 746 00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:51,880 and, I mean, there are some stories that he told me that... 747 00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,440 that would make you... 748 00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:57,480 I don't really want to talk about it, but when he found them, 749 00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,560 it was just a whole different world. 750 00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,960 And it took him a while to get used to that 751 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,040 because he didn't know who to trust. 752 00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,920 Trust is a bitch at five years old. 753 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,200 He all didn't trust everybody. 754 00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:11,760 Keep that in mind. 755 00:47:13,240 --> 00:47:15,840 He was pulled from foster home to foster home 756 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,720 and he had a thing even into his 30s and 40s 757 00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:21,120 where he didn't put his things up 758 00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,040 when he was going to be in a hotel for a few days 759 00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,320 because he was pulled from so many different foster homes 760 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,320 that if you put your things up, 761 00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,440 one of the other kids would get them or you'd be moved. 762 00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:37,280 So, you know, he always kept everything packed up. 763 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,080 I thought a lot about it. 764 00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:40,960 How would you really feel 765 00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:47,480 if you really didn't even know who your birth mother and father was. 766 00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:51,160 It would be a lonely... an emptiness. 767 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:55,280 I never saw Jimmy really happy. I mean, he was having a good time. 768 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,920 Most of his days were involved in doing something, 769 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:00,520 trying to be successful. 770 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,480 ARCHIVE INTERVIEW: How many albums have you put down? Seven. 771 00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:06,960 Seven already, in two years? 772 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,240 Seven albums in two years. You've been a busy man! 773 00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:14,120 Orion, I believe one album will be the rockabilly-type album? 774 00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,200 Yeah, and the other one Orion has planned to be released real soon 775 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,080 is a gospel-type album. 776 00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,880 Texas Tea is a little bit more on the country side 777 00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,440 and comes from your album Orion Country. 778 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,360 We've done a lot of experimenting with 779 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,320 the middle-of-the-road album, which was the second release 780 00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,880 and, you know, we did the Jerry Lee Lewis album and the Trio Plus album, 781 00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,120 which was a duet with Jerry Lee Lewis, Charlie Rich 782 00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:36,400 and Carl Perkins and myself 783 00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,240 and we've just done a lot of experimenting and we are... 784 00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:41,680 I think, sooner or later, we're going to come into our own 785 00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,880 and really do some really nice things later. 786 00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,720 Even if the disc jockeys in the early '80s 787 00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:49,720 were willing to accept a man with a mask on, 788 00:48:49,720 --> 00:48:51,960 you can't market all that to the same station. 789 00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,560 At least, you couldn't back in the 1980s. 790 00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,120 Now, you could probably market 791 00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,000 everything he did now as just country, 792 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,960 but at the time, you couldn't. So... 793 00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:05,160 You know, he threw himself in so many different directions, 794 00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,480 I guess, hoping something would stick. 795 00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,480 It seemed like he was pretty fast in the studio, 796 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,280 so they could probably get... 797 00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,600 ..oh, four songs in three hours. 798 00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:20,680 It wasn't months and months on one track like some artists do. 799 00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:25,760 This was originally the Sun studio 800 00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,600 where Jimmy Ellis, Orion, recorded in the '70s and '80s. 801 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:33,640 We, a couple of years ago, turned it into our merchandise warehouse. 802 00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:41,280 Not only was it a working studio, it was also a "tour studio", 803 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,280 and Shelby had a deal with one of the tour-bus companies. 804 00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,760 They would bring in a busload, you know, 805 00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,840 a big Greyhound bus full of tourists. 806 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:50,400 HE LAUGHS 807 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,000 That's funny. I had never been in that situation before. 808 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:55,440 We'd be in the middle of a session. 809 00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,120 All of a sudden, Paul would run in and say, "Bus, bus!" 810 00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,800 and we'd have to stop. I'd be in the middle of a guitar solo. 811 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,920 It would get aggravating 812 00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,400 because a great solo only comes along once in a lifetime 813 00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,240 and all of a sudden somebody comes in and says, "Cut!" 814 00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:14,000 You've lost it, you can't never get that back again. 815 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:17,560 We'd have to sit there for another hour or two to get the groove back 816 00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:19,720 and finally get into it again 817 00:50:19,720 --> 00:50:22,040 and here comes another tour. 818 00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,560 Shelby would release an album first through mail order music, 819 00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,760 which meant he'd send these flyers out to all the fans 820 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:16,880 and they'd all buy it, 821 00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,920 THEN he would send it to the record store and it wouldn't sell. 822 00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,520 Why? Because he's already sold thousands through the mail at retail. 823 00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,360 He wanted that retail money first. 824 00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:26,720 We should have stopped that 825 00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:28,920 and had 'em go into the record store to get it, 826 00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,880 but they'd look like bad record sales when they didn't sell 827 00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,520 and one of the worst things, I think, that happened to Jimmy, 828 00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,400 I don't think there's any doubt in the world 829 00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,400 that Save The Last Dance with Jerry Lee sold a million copies, 830 00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,600 but Jimmy didn't get a gold record for that. 831 00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,120 I think it's a shame that he's never going to go down 832 00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:45,440 as a gold-selling artist 833 00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,720 because the money was done in a way that it didn't show up or something. 834 00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:51,040 But we know he sold at least a million copies of that 835 00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:52,960 and Reborn might have come close to that. 836 00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:54,880 To my knowledge, 837 00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,480 he never got a royalty cheque from Shelby Singleton, 838 00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,160 despite the fact that 839 00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,360 there are millions of those albums floating around 840 00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,440 and he should have made some money on that. 841 00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,080 It might have only been $25,000 or $30,000, 842 00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,000 but he should have gotten something. 843 00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:51,520 # If you've got a lot of loving and you don't know where to put it 844 00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:57,440 # You been racking your brain and you don't know who might want it 845 00:52:59,240 --> 00:53:03,760 # If you need someone to hold on to and you don't know who it will be 846 00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,680 # Just look me up 847 00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:08,480 # And lay it on me 848 00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:13,280 # Well, look me up and lay it on me 849 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,520 # I swear I won't regret it 850 00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,360 # I'll love you so many ways 851 00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,080 # Baby, you won't ever forget it 852 00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,240 # If you've got that feeling and you don't know what to do 853 00:53:27,240 --> 00:53:30,960 # And you need somebody that you can cuddle up to 854 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:34,360 # You can't ever tell 855 00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,680 # I just might be the very thing you need 856 00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,280 # Honey, look me up 857 00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:41,920 # And lay it on me... # 858 00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:48,160 Shelby had scheduled a tour for Orion in Germany 859 00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:53,360 because he was a very popular artist in Germany 860 00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:57,360 and they just had crowds and crowds there. 861 00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:01,520 But somewhere, while they were there, something happened. 862 00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:06,480 Orion was standing on a table in a pub in Germany, 863 00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,560 doing tracks to Elvis songs, 864 00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:13,240 which he hated to do, but he was doing it. 865 00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:17,240 They were walking down the street and Shelby basically told him, 866 00:54:17,240 --> 00:54:19,840 "You're always going to be an Elvis impersonator." 867 00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,920 He was basically performing by lip-syncing 868 00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,000 and he didn't think that was fair to the fans. 869 00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,440 We had a big argument and he and I almost got into, 870 00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,000 but we never got to fisticuffs. 871 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:36,160 Now, Orion, six foot three. 872 00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,040 Shelby, five eight. 873 00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,280 Orion took his arm... 874 00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,960 Whap! He hit Shelby in the face. 875 00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:50,240 Shelby fell back in his jumpsuit, his little bitty jumpsuit, 876 00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:53,760 like a turtle that had been turned over on its back. 877 00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:59,800 At that point in time, Shelby tried to distance himself from Orion. 878 00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:14,680 He really didn't want to be Orion. 879 00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,360 He wanted to be Jimmy Ellis. 880 00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:26,320 The frustration built, it... it started off very small. 881 00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,560 "All right, I have to wear the mask, let me wear the mask, 882 00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:31,880 "I'll get used to it." That attitude. 883 00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:36,120 As time went along, it would burn him, it would irk him. 884 00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:48,360 Why do you wear the mask, Orion? 885 00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,040 Good question. 886 00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,600 He wore it because he was under contract. 887 00:55:58,200 --> 00:55:59,960 Point blank, simple. 888 00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,160 For a while, he had been arguing with Shelby 889 00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,160 about whether they should take off the mask to stop the charade 890 00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,800 and Shelby kept telling him, "No, the only way this works 891 00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:12,640 "is if you keep up the mystery." 892 00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:31,200 It was a gimmick and he hated it because it took his identity. 893 00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:33,800 I mean, you can imagine 894 00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:37,160 walking around with a paper bag on your head all your life. 895 00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:40,080 You know, that's basically the way he summed it up. 896 00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,120 You know, I guess everybody wants a mask to hide behind when you fail, 897 00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,360 but if you succeed... 898 00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:52,280 "If I do reach the pinnacle... who am I?" 899 00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,760 Reality doesn't mean anything in show business. 900 00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,120 It's all perception and that perception was set. 901 00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,040 There was no way he could have changed it. 902 00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,000 He said, "I'd be up there on that stage doing the show 903 00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,000 "and I'd see these people clapping and applauding 904 00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:11,760 "and reaching up to grab me." 905 00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:15,720 And he says, "It dawned on me. They weren't clapping for me. 906 00:57:15,720 --> 00:57:18,040 "They were clapping for a ghost." 907 00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:25,440 So, after years of that, he just got tired of it 908 00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:29,960 and this one day, he decided he'd had enough, 909 00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:31,520 in the middle of a show. 910 00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:47,360 I can still see Bobby Smith's face to this day, 911 00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:51,480 when Jimmy took that mask off and threw it out into the audience. 912 00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:55,760 Bobby come up off his chair - "Noooo! Noooo!" 913 00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:57,280 It was like you see in the movies. 914 00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:01,080 "No! We're done! We're through!" You know? HE LAUGHS 915 00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:02,520 And basically it was. 916 00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:06,320 Pretty much after that, it was... Shelby finally said, 917 00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,840 "No, that's it," tore up the contract. 918 00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,520 "You're either going to do it my way or it's the highway." 919 00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:13,040 And Jimmy took the highway. 920 00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:32,200 Fans were disappointed before I'd got back to Nashville. 921 00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:35,720 Fans had already called in to Sun Record Company complaining. 922 00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,480 He was finished at that point. 923 00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:40,760 What made him had been destroyed. 924 00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:45,160 If he'd have kept the mask on, he could've been a superstar. 925 00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,640 Do you think it was a mistake, him taking the mask off? 926 00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,160 HE SIGHS 927 00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:52,480 Well... 928 00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:58,400 Yes, if he wanted to continue as Orion. 929 00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,200 No, for his own sanity. 930 00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,360 But the fans liked the mask. 931 00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:10,400 It's like the guy wearing a Santa Claus suit taking off his beard. 932 00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:14,840 "Oh, no!" Same thing with the mask. 933 00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,560 "Don't take the mask off. 934 00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:21,280 "Let me be in this paradise fantasy that I love, 935 00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,120 "let me close my eyes 936 00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:26,200 "and just imagine what you might be without the mask. 937 00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:27,320 "Don't take it off." 938 00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:32,720 I think, when he took the mask off, it brought it all to reality. 939 00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:38,560 It was a gamble. He couldn't be happy with just the success. 940 00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:40,520 He had to be known. 941 00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:44,480 There was no way that you could sell him 942 00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:50,000 to a major label like RCA, CBS, Capitol. 943 00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,520 I think he went through all of them, 944 00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,680 trying to get, you know, deals with them. 945 00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,520 They wanted nothing to do with it. 946 00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:00,960 If he'd have gone out to Las Vegas 947 01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:04,440 and gotten recognised as the man with Elvis's voice, 948 01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,640 they would have kept calling him to do soundalikes of Elvis. 949 01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:10,080 Somebody wants a movie, there's your guy, 950 01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:13,840 that's who you needed to call and he turned down those 951 01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:17,400 because, "I'm my own man and I'm not an Elvis impersonator." 952 01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:47,920 Tony put this out, the Who's The Next Superstar Of The '80s? 953 01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:52,080 This was all rock and roll, a la Rick Springfield. 954 01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,200 And he was a teenybopper idol. 955 01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:57,760 His target audience was probably 12-18. 956 01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:01,040 But, you know, here you had a man who was in his 30s, 957 01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,520 and you were marketing him to the same audience. 958 01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,360 I didn't ever quite understand that, 959 01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:07,760 but Tony at least seemed to have the connections 960 01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,480 to be able to make it work, if anything was going to work. 961 01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:12,240 # That's what she told me, she was 962 01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:15,280 # Still in love with Billy 963 01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,320 # Still in love with Billy... # 964 01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,520 Most of these people that put the money in 965 01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:32,560 didn't have a background in music. 966 01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:35,280 They didn't know anything about the industry. 967 01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:38,960 Except what they saw on TV, movies, that type of thing. 968 01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:43,280 And that was the other thing, he went by so many different names. 969 01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:44,360 You had Jimmy Ellis. 970 01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:46,440 Then you had Mr E. 971 01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:49,320 I think we also had Mr Excitement. 972 01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:52,120 There was another one they called Ellis James, 973 01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,600 which was just his name backwards. 974 01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:58,240 Followed by the Cadillac Man. 975 01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:00,840 And then later Steven Silver. 976 01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:03,760 You know, Madonna constantly reinvented herself 977 01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,920 through the '80s and '90s, but in a good way. 978 01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:11,800 With Jimmy Ellis, he probably just needed to pick one and stick with it. 979 01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:14,400 Who are you? You know, make up your mind. 980 01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:18,960 And the only reason why he changed his name so many times 981 01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:20,720 was he wanted to get away from... 982 01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:22,800 So nobody would know who he was. 983 01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:26,800 But his voice was distinctive, it didn't matter what name he used. 984 01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:30,000 He could use Harvey Schwartz and it was just, you know, 985 01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:33,080 it was still that voice. 986 01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:34,520 Didn't matter. 987 01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:39,200 His vocal ability was God-given. He had a God-given talent. 988 01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:41,960 He has no idea where he came from, he was adopted. 989 01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:46,760 A lot of people have tried to say maybe he was related to Elvis. 990 01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:48,480 He could have been, he didn't know. 991 01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:52,000 There's no resemblance to Elvis whatsoever. 992 01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,440 But there is to Vernon. 993 01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:58,960 Vernon Presley and Jimmy Ellis look like the same person. 994 01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:02,760 He looked just like Vernon Presley. 995 01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:06,600 I could see the same look, the same hairline, the same ears. 996 01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:08,280 The same... It was just... 997 01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:11,440 Can that be a coincidence, have this vocal? I don't know. 998 01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,720 I saw his birth certificate. 999 01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:17,400 And I remember it was from the state of Mississippi, 1000 01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:19,840 and it said mother, Gladys Bell. 1001 01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:22,520 Father, Vernon, with no last name. 1002 01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:26,120 And it was just blank. And that was all he had ever known. 1003 01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:32,440 Vernon Presley, in his carousing days, could be Jim Ellis's Father. 1004 01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:35,040 I just have a hard time believing 1005 01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:38,640 that two people could look so much alike, 1006 01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:41,760 and then, where does that voice come from? 1007 01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,480 Pretty amazing, isn't it? Pretty amazing. 1008 01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,800 Jimmy never really told us. 1009 01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,880 He never would divulge that part of his life. 1010 01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:54,760 It's almost like he had these secrets, 1011 01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,400 and you knew he had a secret, but he would never really... 1012 01:03:57,400 --> 01:03:59,640 He would give you hints. 1013 01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:02,920 Clues. You know, it was like a riddle to Jimmy. 1014 01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:19,440 And then, in the late '80s, he went back to being Orion, 1015 01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:21,000 and even put the mask back on. 1016 01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:24,040 So someone talked him into that, which really surprised me, 1017 01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:26,000 because he hated it so much. 1018 01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:30,000 Hi, everybody, I'm Jim and I've got a real treat for you. 1019 01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:34,280 As a matter of fact, here's the tape we've been waiting for. 1020 01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:38,640 Here's Orion, in concert at Celina, Ohio. 1021 01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:47,640 Now, we... 1022 01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:53,800 We appreciate anything that you folks can do as far as applause. 1023 01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:56,360 We don't care if you get up and dance a little bit, do we? 1024 01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:58,040 No, we don't. 1025 01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:01,280 This is one strange phenomenon about show business. 1026 01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:06,800 One day, that man appears, and all of a sudden, 1027 01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:08,880 you've experienced a superstar. 1028 01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:14,240 And I truly believe tonight you will see a superstar. 1029 01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:17,520 And if y'all ready to just clap your hands... CLAPPING 1030 01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:19,480 get your feet together... 1031 01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:23,240 your minds and your bodies, because you're going to see... 1032 01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:27,560 CHEERING ..Orion! 1033 01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:31,640 I can't find my way out of here! 1034 01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:36,760 # Uh-huh-huh-huh 1035 01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:38,360 CHEERING 1036 01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:42,520 # I'm making all right 1037 01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:44,720 # From Monday morning to Friday night 1038 01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:47,360 # And oh, that lonely weekend 1039 01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:50,000 # Since you left me 1040 01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:51,880 # I'm as lonely as I can be 1041 01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:54,920 # Oh, it's a lonely weekend 1042 01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:56,600 # Said you'd be 1043 01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:57,960 # Good to me... # 1044 01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:01,520 Orion, an entertainer you'll be hearing and seeing 1045 01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:04,360 as his career continues to grow. 1046 01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:09,000 And he becomes more and more the superstar he deserves to be. 1047 01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:11,600 NO SOUND 1048 01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:28,360 I was going to ask, after a few years of being out there 1049 01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:30,840 without the mask, what made you decide 1050 01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:32,720 to put the mask back on again? 1051 01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:54,200 He hated it. 1052 01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:56,800 But, you know, it's like everybody else, 1053 01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:59,520 you're looking for a payday. 1054 01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:03,480 I got to do this, I got to do that, I got to make ends meet. 1055 01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:05,000 Well, what do you do? 1056 01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:09,560 Do I turn this down because of pride? 1057 01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:28,360 I think the first eight to ten years were semi big time. 1058 01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:32,240 He travelled in a bus like this, there was more money backing him, 1059 01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:34,880 and he was making records on a regular basis. 1060 01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:38,520 And my time with him there, from '88 to '98, 1061 01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:41,960 we tended to travel in a van pulling a trailer. 1062 01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:45,000 They were always fun gigs, they paid OK, 1063 01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:47,040 but it didn't seem real big time. 1064 01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:53,960 It looks bad. 1065 01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:55,680 It looks real bad. 1066 01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:02,680 Unfortunately, Jimmy never made any money except off the concerts. 1067 01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:05,440 Even some of those didn't... 1068 01:09:05,440 --> 01:09:09,600 He got paid X amount to go, but there were so many problems 1069 01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:13,840 with the bus falling apart on the road, getting stranded... 1070 01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:15,360 I mean, things happened. 1071 01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:18,920 So you weren't always turning a profit on every single concert. 1072 01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:22,840 There were other things he could have done to make a living. 1073 01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:24,840 And sometimes that's what he did for a while, 1074 01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:26,560 but he always went back to singing. 1075 01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:28,240 Always. 1076 01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:31,640 If that's something you love to do, you've got to find a way to do it. 1077 01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:33,320 You've got to feed the monkey. 1078 01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:41,840 At 48, most musical careers are over at that time. 1079 01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:44,160 Jimmy didn't understand that. 1080 01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:48,800 He thought he was going to be 32 till the day he was going to die. 1081 01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:57,680 If it had all worked out, it would have been extremely lucrative. 1082 01:09:57,680 --> 01:09:59,240 And towards the end of his career, 1083 01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:02,200 he was like, "To hell with the fame, give me the fortune." 1084 01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:04,840 Because he never really... 1085 01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:06,600 Never saw any of it. 1086 01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:12,000 I think talent is rampant in this town. 1087 01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:16,000 And you can find talent on any street corner, literally. 1088 01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:21,040 So talent really wasn't the issue, it was talent with a hook. 1089 01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:22,720 Talent with... 1090 01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:26,440 what else? Because everybody's talented. 1091 01:10:26,440 --> 01:10:29,600 Oh, I found this great guy and he can sing. 1092 01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:32,440 So what? So can my brother. 1093 01:10:32,440 --> 01:10:35,120 So can his brother. So can his dad. 1094 01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:37,440 Everybody sings, everybody writes. 1095 01:10:37,440 --> 01:10:38,840 It's Nashville. 1096 01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:43,640 Is it a tough place? 1097 01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:44,960 Yeah. 1098 01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:49,720 It's, er... I think it's one of the toughest industries around, 1099 01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:52,040 because it's built on emotions. 1100 01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:57,560 You don't get really interviewed for a job. 1101 01:10:59,960 --> 01:11:01,920 You have to be... 1102 01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:04,400 what somebody wants 1103 01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:07,040 BEFORE you get that interview. 1104 01:11:10,480 --> 01:11:13,160 Probably the toughest industry there is, 1105 01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:16,280 because it plays with your emotions and your mind. 1106 01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:18,920 You have sleepless nights wondering 1107 01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:22,520 if somebody's going to accept this, somebody's going to accept that. 1108 01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:24,480 And that's just the business end of it, 1109 01:11:24,480 --> 01:11:27,560 you've got to get through that before the fans hear you. 1110 01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:32,600 I would not advise anybody to waste their life... 1111 01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:36,560 ..doing it. 1112 01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:39,000 It's a one in a million deal. 1113 01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:44,160 You hope to God you run across people you can trust. 1114 01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:45,840 I mean, they're like sharks. 1115 01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:49,400 It's all for me and not you. 1116 01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:54,280 And that's the problem, he trusted everybody. 1117 01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:58,600 MUSIC: I Remember by Saint Saviour 1118 01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:08,040 # Someone should have told you that you'd always have a place to go 1119 01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:12,840 # Oh-oh 1120 01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:18,640 # We thought you would have known 1121 01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:24,040 # Someone should have told you that you'd never find yourself alone 1122 01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:28,400 # Oh-oh 1123 01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:35,760 # We lost you to the snow 1124 01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:42,800 # Or maybe you climbed out after all? # 1125 01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:12,920 It was all going so downhill that even he lost interest. 1126 01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:17,480 "OK, I'm going back to the farm, I'll do a show here and there." 1127 01:13:17,480 --> 01:13:21,920 He still wanted it, but didn't know what he had to do to go and get it. 1128 01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:36,520 MUSIC ON CAR RADIO: Because He Lives by Bill Gaither 1129 01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:47,280 JIMMY SINGS ALONG 1130 01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:50,800 # I'll cross that river 1131 01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:54,640 # I'll fight life's final 1132 01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:00,200 # War with pain 1133 01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:05,040 # And then as death 1134 01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:11,120 # Gives way to victory 1135 01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:16,960 # I'll see the lights of glory 1136 01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:21,320 # And I'll know He lives 1137 01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:27,720 # Because He lives 1138 01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:33,600 # I can face tomorrow 1139 01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:36,760 # Because He lives 1140 01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,800 # All fear is gone... # 1141 01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:29,200 Jimmy decided he would get in a business to make a living. 1142 01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:31,520 The horse industry was out of the question, 1143 01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:33,280 he'd been out of it so many years, 1144 01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:35,840 so he decided to open up two businesses. 1145 01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:38,360 One was a pawn shop. 1146 01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:42,840 I was out of money, so I stopped by there, 1147 01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:45,640 because I lived right around the corner. 1148 01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:49,160 Jimmy offered me to work for him. 1149 01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:50,760 And I said, sure. 1150 01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:53,600 That's where we hit it off. We became friends then. 1151 01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:56,640 He was just a fun person to be around with. 1152 01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:58,600 Did anybody else work in the stores? 1153 01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:01,120 Elaine, his ex-wife. 1154 01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:03,360 What was Elaine like? Oh, Elaine... 1155 01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:07,560 She is...crazy. 1156 01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:09,280 A sweet kind of crazy. 1157 01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:13,040 To be honest, they still loved each other. 1158 01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:14,960 I know Elaine did, she was crazy about him 1159 01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:16,760 and he was still crazy about her. 1160 01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:20,920 They can't live together. 1161 01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:23,280 They fuss and fight all the time. 1162 01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:26,160 But they can't be without each other. 1163 01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:35,120 In December of 1998, we had a very sensational robbery in our store. 1164 01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:37,280 And Jimmy came straight down and said, 1165 01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:39,360 "Man, I heard about the robbery." 1166 01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:44,480 And we talked about the dangers of being in business, 1167 01:16:44,480 --> 01:16:48,080 dealing with a large number of people every day, 1168 01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:51,200 in an area where the crime rate is high. 1169 01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:57,080 We both talked about dying or getting killed in a robbery, 1170 01:16:57,080 --> 01:16:59,480 on December the 2nd. 1171 01:16:59,480 --> 01:17:01,920 And Jimmy was killed December the 12th. 1172 01:17:13,440 --> 01:17:15,080 In an armed robbery. 1173 01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:23,040 The morning of December 12, 1998, we sat down 1174 01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:26,440 and started joking about who was going to go buy lunch today. 1175 01:17:26,440 --> 01:17:29,680 Elaine kept saying, "It's your turn, Helen." I said, "No, it ain't. 1176 01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:31,240 "I went yesterday!" 1177 01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:33,480 All of a sudden, the door flew open. 1178 01:17:33,480 --> 01:17:36,200 This guy came in and started firing. 1179 01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:41,000 He hit Elaine first, he blew Elaine's face open. 1180 01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:43,720 Then he turned around and shot Jimmy, then he shot me. 1181 01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:45,880 This is where he shot me. 1182 01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:48,440 And I also still got a pellet in my arm. 1183 01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:52,720 As soon as I hit the floor, I came to, 1184 01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:56,520 but I held my breath, pretended I was dead. 1185 01:17:56,520 --> 01:18:00,200 Because if he had seen me move, he would have shot me again. 1186 01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:02,760 So I just stayed still, holding my breath, I said, 1187 01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:05,600 "Lord, if he's going to kill me, let him kill me quick." 1188 01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:07,680 I was saying that in my mind. 1189 01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:09,680 He was trying to pull the register. 1190 01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:13,000 When he couldn't get the register off the counter, he ran out. 1191 01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:16,880 I heard Jimmy moaning, and I saw Jimmy on the floor, 1192 01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:18,960 he was sitting down holding his side. 1193 01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:23,400 And he was practically barely breathing. 1194 01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:25,960 I didn't see no blood at first. 1195 01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:28,720 And so I looked down, and then I saw it. 1196 01:18:30,440 --> 01:18:33,680 One of the sheriffs came, I guess he was the first one 1197 01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:36,480 that heard it on the radio, he kept trying to revive him. 1198 01:18:36,480 --> 01:18:38,160 You know, trying to wake him up. 1199 01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:40,160 It was already too late. 1200 01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:48,360 I don't know why would somebody do that to somebody so nice as Jimmy. 1201 01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:54,200 He made you feel like you're a family. 1202 01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:57,200 You know, and I loved him for that. 1203 01:19:00,480 --> 01:19:02,520 He's a good person. 1204 01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:05,240 And that's all that happened. 1205 01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:10,200 Everybody started showing up, I don't know how they heard it, 1206 01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:12,960 but all of a sudden the whole place was packed. 1207 01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:17,400 I got here, there was... 1208 01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:20,080 You couldn't even... 1209 01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:26,560 There were cars everywhere. It was like a damn rock concert going on. 1210 01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:28,640 Your heart sank, you know? 1211 01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:31,800 It was a day just like today, except it was cold. 1212 01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:35,240 And there was nothing but blue lights. 1213 01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:39,360 It just... 1214 01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:40,640 It'd tear you up. 1215 01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:43,240 It'd tear you up. 1216 01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:46,800 All for nothing. 1217 01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:54,600 Walked out of here with nothing. Right out that door, right there. 1218 01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:02,640 It is what it is, I can't change it. 1219 01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:06,720 I wish to hell I could. 1220 01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:10,120 Wish I could. 1221 01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:23,360 Sometimes I wonder, if we had stayed together, 1222 01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:28,240 and if we had been able to have the life on the farm and be normal... 1223 01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:31,640 ..you know, if he'd still be here? 1224 01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:39,440 I wished he hadn't been there. 1225 01:20:39,440 --> 01:20:41,200 He shouldn't have been. 1226 01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:43,880 He should've been singing. He should've been performing, 1227 01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:46,280 he shouldn't have been in that town. 1228 01:20:47,440 --> 01:20:52,520 # Swing low 1229 01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:58,120 # Sweet chariot 1230 01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:08,280 # Coming for to carry me home... # 1231 01:21:09,480 --> 01:21:13,520 There were wreaths from most of the Nashville entertainers. 1232 01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:16,200 Some of the big names, the big labels. 1233 01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:20,440 You don't realise how big of a star you are 1234 01:21:20,440 --> 01:21:22,480 until something like that happens. 1235 01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:27,200 I couldn't cry, I just said, 1236 01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:30,600 "Man, you need to get your ass up out of that box. 1237 01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:32,560 "Come on, let's go play some music." 1238 01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:37,040 And right about then, some people put their arm around me and... 1239 01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:38,120 You know. 1240 01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:43,520 I couldn't face up to it. 1241 01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:46,000 That he was gone. 1242 01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:54,600 # Just tell all my friends 1243 01:21:55,880 --> 01:22:00,320 # That I'm coming too 1244 01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:10,240 # Coming for to carry me home 1245 01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:17,560 # Yes, Lord, I feel like going home Feel like going home 1246 01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:19,840 # Guess I tried and failed 1247 01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:22,880 # And I'm tired and weary 1248 01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:28,440 # Everything I thought was wrong Thought was wrong 1249 01:22:28,440 --> 01:22:33,040 # And I feel like going home Sweet Lord 1250 01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:36,920 # Sweet chariot Sweet Lord 1251 01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:41,040 # Swing low, sweet chariot 1252 01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:48,000 # I'm going home Going home 1253 01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:55,080 # I am going 1254 01:22:55,080 --> 01:23:04,840 # Home I'm going home. # 1255 01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:26,320 # Trees grow tall 1256 01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:29,120 # Where I come from 1257 01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:33,360 # The leaves are green and fine 1258 01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:37,280 # I was born in a world... # 99400

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