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all right guys again i'm josh with soul
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studios and i am back with part two of
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the ultimate u87 shootout and what we're
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gonna do today is we're gonna take the
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examples that were in part one and we're
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gonna add two more examples i'm gonna do
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an acoustic and vocal of a short clip of
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a song called ghost of jackson square by
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edwin mccain
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and then acoustic and vocal of a song
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called very good advice which is
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actually from alice in wonderland uh but
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i've i've always liked the lyrics to
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that song there's a really talented
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artist named tanner patrick they did a
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super cool version of that it's like
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completely reworked the original
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and so after i heard his version uh
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the version that i'm doing here is
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definitely heavily influenced by him so
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i did everything i could to
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make sure that this is a fair shootout
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because i don't want to
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hurt a manufacturer
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by
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not giving a good representation of
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their microphone you know that's i think
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as
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youtube reviewers we really need to be
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careful not to do that so what i did was
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for
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hallelujah and for ghost of jackson
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square
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i set the mics up in sort of like a star
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pattern to where i could sing in the
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space between but i was hitting all the
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capsules as evenly as i could but you
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know that kind of shootout does have its
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shortcomings
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and the way that i like to do shootouts
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personally when i'm tracking someone and
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i'm deciding which mic to use on them
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is to get them to sing through each mic
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individually and the reason for doing
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that is because i like to know how that
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person feels when they sink through the
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mic how they interact with the mic
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if i have two mics set up one sounds a
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little bit better in the control room
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but the artist says hey i feel a lot
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more comfortable singing through this
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other mic
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almost always go with the one that they
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feel the most comfortable singing
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through because
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you can eq and compress and do things to
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match the tone from one mic to another
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fairly well but what you can't do is
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insert some kind of emotion or feeling
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that the artist wasn't able to emote
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because the microphone didn't give them
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the flexibility to do so
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so i did both ways on here and i will
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let you know right ahead of those
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examples what's going on where
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so that you know what you're hearing but
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i thought by doing it that way we could
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cover all the bases and maybe address
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some of the shortcomings where other mic
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shootouts may have fallen short in all
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the shootouts there's no
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high pass filter or pad engaged
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the worm has it serrano the neumanns
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have it but the bee's knees does not
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have that option so i just left that out
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of all of them and if there's any
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high-pass filter
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or anything going on it was done with
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the plug-in after it was tracked and
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where that's done i will let you know
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one thing i did want to mention the kind
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of glaring emission from this shootout
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is the stam audio 87
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and the only reason i excluded that one
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is because i reached out to joshua
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at the beginning of this and told him
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what i was doing and he let me know that
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he's working on a mark iv version of
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that mic and so i didn't want to include
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one that is going to soon be replaced
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but what i'll do is stay in touch with
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him
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get that new mic when it comes out and
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maybe try to do these same songs or
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somehow incorporated into this shootout
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at that point and see how it stacks up
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but that's the only reason why the stam
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wasn't included for all examples if i
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used the antelope mp32 i used that on
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all the rest of them if i use the shadow
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hills on the iron setting i kept it on
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the iron setting i will notate in the
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examples what the chain was but just
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know for the examples where i sing into
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all mics at once
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i use the same kind of cable the same
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length of cable
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the same preamp and the same converter
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so i really did everything i could to
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give every mic its best chance to be on
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equal footing
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so if you've somehow landed here before
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you watched part one i'd really
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encourage you to pause
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and i'm gonna put the link up here
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somewhere and say
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go check out the blind version first
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because i think it's really important to
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put aside our biases of what a neumann
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is or vintage or whatever other buzzword
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you want to throw out there and i really
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want you to judge these microphones on
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their sonics alone
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so if you haven't watched part one
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please go do that really quickly and
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then it's it's short anyway check that
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one out then head back over here for the
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reveal if you did watch part one i'm
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excited to build on that first of all to
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tell you which microphones were which
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we're going to do the reveal here right
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away so as i get into the examples
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they're going to be in the same order
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that they were in video one it's just in
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parentheses i'm gonna tell what the mic
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actually is
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and not just mic a b etc
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all right so let's hear all of these
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audio examples we're gonna just roll
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through them i will put
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chapter markers so you can jump back and
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forth and compare however you want to
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and then i'll hop on again at the end
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and have some closing thoughts all right
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guys let's hear the rest of the shootout
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hallelujah
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hallelujah
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hallelujah
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hallelujah
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hallelujah
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hallelujah
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hallelujah
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hallelujah
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hallelujah
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hallelujah
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hallelujah
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hallelujah
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ghosts on the streets today
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it's always jackson square
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ghost on the streets today
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to always jackson square
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he goes on the streets today
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it's always jackson square
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ghosts on the streets today
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it's always jackson square
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ghosts on the streets today
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to always jackson square
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i give myself very good advice
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but i'm very sad when i'm following
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that explains the trouble i'm always in
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be patient
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is very good advice but the way that
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makes me curious
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and i love the change should something
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strange begin
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give myself
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be patient is very good advice but the
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way that makes me curious
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and i love the change should something
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strange begin
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i give myself very good advice
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but our very same following
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that explains
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trouble i'm always saying
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be patient
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is very good advice but the way it makes
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me curious
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and i love the change with something
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strange begin
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give myself
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be patient
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is very good advice but the weight makes
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me curious
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and i love the change should something
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strange
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i give myself very good advice
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but i'm very seldom following
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that explains trouble my ways
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be patience
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is very good advice but the way that
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makes me curious
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all right guys that is the end of the 87
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shootout i hope you enjoyed the reveal i
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hope you got most of them right and i
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try not to influence you too much but i
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i did want to say with this
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nine times out of ten when i compare a
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vintage piece of gear
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to a clone i've gone with the vintage
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piece i do want to get a little bit more
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opinionated here than i normally do
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and really my motivation is to try to
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save you money and to try to help you
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because
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i've been really seriously recording
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since 1994.
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and i've gone through a ton of mics and
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a ton of gear and i've gotten caught up
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in the hype more times than i would like
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to admit
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and at this point i have to say after
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doing going through this shootout
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that i think the lust for a vintage 87
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is probably something we should put
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aside
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no offense if you own one i'm not trying
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to drive the price down although the
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price along with nearly everything else
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in the last year has gone through the
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roof
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but i just can't see paying
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for 4 500 5 000
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for a vintage 87
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when
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man serrano warm bee's knees are making
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killer mics they're all different enough
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to where i might actually end up with a
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pair of all three of those and the 87 ai
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is a good mic it you know
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for what it is but again it
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price range there's just no comparison i
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mean you could literally buy
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five or six of
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the warm or the serrano for the price
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that you're going to pay for an ai and
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then
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10 of them for what you're going to pay
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for
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a vintage 87.
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so like i said most times i'd have gone
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with vintage gear when i had to make the
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choice
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but
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i got to tell you on this one i think
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it's time to just put this aside i mean
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if you come across a great price of the
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87
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have at it if you don't
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get one of these more affordable options
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and move on to another area that will be
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more beneficial for your studio
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so anyway if you disagree tell me in the
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comments i want you to ultimately decide
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what is best for you but i do feel
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really strongly about going into debt
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for recording especially in the day and
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age that we live in
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we're streaming services the the
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royalties and all are so much
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less than what they used to be i'd
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really hate to see somebody
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fork out five grand on a vintage 87
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when they could take that money and
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spread it around and get so much more
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for it
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so anyway i'll close out by saying man
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warm audio
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you were the biggest surprise for me i
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think you've made a killer mic i never
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heard the first version but what you've
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done on the r2 here is is really a
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fantastic mic
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same thing for carlos at serrano audio
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and for ben at bee's knees
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i can tell you guys really really spend
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a lot of time on making these mics
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like i said before i've been recording
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seriously for money since 1994.
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and um
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feel free to leave a comment about like
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hey there's no way you don't look old
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enough uh
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but i have been
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and yeah i i want you guys anybody
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that's younger that's newer to recording
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that's watching this i want you to
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understand how much better of a
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microphone
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something like the warm wa87
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or the serrano or the bee's knees
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it is so much better than what i had
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available to me for the same price when
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i first got started i had a rode nt2
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i had an akg
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something 3000 i don't even remember the
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model number
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they were much
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much more expensive than this at the
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time and they were not great mics
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at all
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they were really bright
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and i had eight tracks to record with on
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my roland vs 880 well even before that
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four tracks
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on the tascam
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uh four track you know you record on
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both sides of the cassette so if you've
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got a daw if you're if you're working in
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logic or reaper or something
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and you need one good mic and you've got
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500 bucks you can throw out a worm or
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you know 600 bucks at a bee's knees or
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seven or eight hundred out of serrano
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you have tools that are so far beyond
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what many of us had when we were
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starting out in the 90s or the 80s as
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far as home
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home studio
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so i just want you to be able to move
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forward with confidence
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take advantage of some of these amazing
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affordable new tools that we have
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and where i think vintage is still the
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ultimate
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holy grail i will let you know
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in times that i don't think that's the
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case like now
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and i should also say this is not the
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only vintage 87 i've ever used it's the
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second one that i've owned and both
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times i was able to get a hold of ones
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that were in good condition so i'm not
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just saying oh i got this one mic and
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whatever
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but i really think in this case we can
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put this one to bed having said that if
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you listen to the examples and you
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thought man that vintage really sounds
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like how i want to hear things and you
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have the
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funds to do that and it's not going to
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put you in a hole and put that pressure
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of debt on you then by all means do it
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but if you're building your recording
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gear
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i say pick one of these
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newer clones that you like the most
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and get a pair and and don't look back
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you got your drum overheads you've got
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your acoustic mic
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you can put it on your guitar amp and
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you can sing through it amongst many
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other things
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so anyway that's my two cents like i
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said i don't usually get this
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opinionated on a video but i i feel
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pretty strongly about this one
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especially when the financials are so
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different between the clone and the
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vintage
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all right guys i've talked enough i
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appreciate your time if you got value
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out of this video if it was something
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useful for you please check the
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description below in the video there's a
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link there to donate you can donate via
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paypal or crypto which is actually
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preferred these days
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for me personally but i don't have
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anything to sell you i've got these
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files it's just a dropbox link you can
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check out that it's free
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you can join the mailing list but having
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said that a lot of work and especially
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in this video a lot of finances went
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into making it
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so if you feel compelled to feel free to
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throw me a bone through the donate link
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and it's much appreciated all right guys
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until next time have a great one and
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i'll see you again soon
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