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'This programme
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The first time I took heroin,
I didn't know it was heroin.
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When I was 18,
I went away to Germany.
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So I came home after being away
for eight or nine months
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and all my friends had been taking gear.
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I didn't know what gear was,
so I was intrigued.
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I'd only ever smoked a bit of weed,
a bit of hash,
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but I was up for anything.
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Give anything a shot once.
That's all I did.
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I went to my friend's house,
where we met on a Friday night.
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I was amazed at how they knew
how to prepare this,
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almost like I was watching
this homemade kitchen chemistry.
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A spoon was taken out, and then
a certain amount of mils
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were added with a syringe. I'm like,
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"Where did they
even get the syringe?!"
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I took the pop in the arm.
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I sat down.
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And a rush, like from my toes, came
up and over my body.
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If you can imagine, I was just
a tense vibrating bag of the nerves,
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and then this calm
comes over from inside out
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and melts over me
like milk and honey.
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That's all I can describe,
that kind of texture.
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I felt like I fell back
into a pink, fluffy cloud.
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And I floated on that.
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And every neurosis, anxiety,
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nervousness
or sense of doubt evaporated
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and left me
in a blissful state of...
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And I thought, "Jesus Christ!
If I could feel like this every day,
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I could take on the world."
It was very empowering.
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I felt I could actually live
with this stuff, like, very well.
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You know, I thought I discovered
something that was like,
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"I'm not going to get addicted
to this shit.
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I feel more productive.
I have more energy."
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And all that's true...
to begin with.
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And what was a core group of us
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doing something strange, unique and different,
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turned into...
everyone just doing it.
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♪ Here I go
falling down, down, down
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♪ My mind is a blank
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♪ My head is spinning
around and around
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♪ As I go deep
into the funnel of love ♪
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In the '80s, drugs changed
the fabric of the city.
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I think the reason as Irish people
we took so readily to heroin,
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we had a lot of disenfranchised
youth and high unemployment.
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And there was the beginning of the
rejection of the Catholic Church...
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...cos it had such a hold on people.
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So we took to heroin here
like ducks to water.
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And straightaway the fingers
were pointed at the Dunnes.
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The Dunnes are the ones credited
for bringing heroin into Dublin.
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What's wrong with ya?
Fucking batteries are dead!
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You're bleeding thick.
You're some bute!
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- Ah!
- It's working.
For fuck's sake!
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Come on.
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What the fuck? No. Not much, fella.
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- What's that?
- Palfium.
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Oh, right. What's that?
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It's like morphine, I think.
What?
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Painkillers, you fucking eejit!
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Like opium.
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That's it. Do you think
we could sell those?
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What the fuck?
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♪ ALTHEA DONNA:
Uptown Top Ranking
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I sold those pills.
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- All of 'em?
- Yeah.
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- Already?
- Yeah. Easy.
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How much?
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Jesus fucking Christ!
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Fuck off then.
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Larry Dunne was the Al Capone
of Dublin in the late '70s
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up until the mid-'80s.
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Why? Because he pioneered heroin distribution
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and he created a huge consumer base.
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And the collateral damage
from his enterprise,
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we're still suffering
with the effects of it today.
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I joined the police force in 1977.
I was 20 years of age.
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Back in the late '70s,
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the most infamous and most active
criminal group
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were a number of brothers
known as the Dunne family.
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Working in Dublin City
the Dunnes were legends.
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They were a very violent group
who... engaged in armed robberies
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and in burglaries...
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...and had developed a reputation...
for ruthlessness.
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Now, sir.
Thanks very much.
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It was a dog-eat-dog world...
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...and these people were certainly
on top of that pile.
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Christy, I read that you once
punched a judge in a courtroom.
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Yeah. I hit him right in the jaw and
knocked him off the fucking bench.
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I think the best way to handle this
- is you ask the questions.
- OK.
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And, look, make them
as hard as you like.
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Right? And remember...
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...it doesn't profit me anything
to tell you lies.
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How many brothers and sisters
did you have in total?
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I had ten brothers
and... five sisters.
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That's a lot of brothers
- and sisters.
- Yeah, too fucking many.
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I...
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My parents, they were actually
called the pride of the Liberties.
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They were like film stars
when they walked down the street.
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My dad was a very handsome
looking fella, right?
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They were known
as quiet, gentle people,
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but not to be messed with.
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My brothers never hurt anybody.
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But some of them, they could kill
you if they wanted to.
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As you grew up, you and your
brothers got a bit of a reputation
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for being very successful robbers.
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Er... not me, my brothers.
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They had no choice.
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Economic necessity,
that's what it was.
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Most of the people who live here
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would like to get away to somewhere
that they could be proud of.
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The only thing I ever thought about
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when I was young,
like all kids, was food.
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Right? Because
it was very scarce food was.
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Were you aware that your sons
- were robbing banks?
- I was, yes.
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Yes. And I quite admired them.
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You admired them
- for robbing banks?Yes.
- Why?
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So long as nobody was hurt.
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- Why?
- Well, they were getting money
the... the handy way.
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But they're taking
- someone else's money?
- Yes, but...
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depending on whose money it is
that's in the bank?
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It's often said that your brother
Larry and the Dunne family
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are responsible for bringing heroin
into Dublin.
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- Is that... is that true?
- No. Rubbish.
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They needed someone to blame.
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For any policeman to arrest
and convict any of the Dunnes
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was a big promotion for them.
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Tell me a bit about
what Larry was really like.
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- What was his personality like?
- The
nicest person you could ever meet.
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And if you want to... contradict me,
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all you have to do
is drive up the Rat Farm
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and anyone you meet say,
"You remember Larry Dunne?"
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A gentleman.
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He was a fitness fanatic.
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Oh, he was so fit, yeah. Very fit.
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Amazing to see.
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Yeah, hold on.
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- Larry.What?
- Phone call for you.
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International. It's the Iranians.
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Why did heroin take off in Ireland?
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You had the invasion of Afghanistan
by the Soviet Union
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on Christmas Day in 1979.
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And in order for the Mujahideen
to fund their fight,
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there was a vast increase in the
cultivation of the opium poppy.
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♪ CREEDENCE CLEARWATER REVIVAL:
Run Through The Jungle
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You have you also had
the Islamic Revolution in Iran.
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And people would use heroin
as currency when they fled.
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Ever since the collapse
of the Shah's regime,
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large amounts of Iranian heroin have
been on the move
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to America and Europe.
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♪ Better run through the jungle
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♪ Better run through the jungle ♪
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In Dublin around this time there was
a number of successful Garda raids
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which led to a drought
and shortage of hash.
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Because of a shortage, then people
are gonna look for something else.
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The Dunnes, allegedly,
would have been involved
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in the distribution of hash.
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And they were viewed
as pillars of the community.
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Larry Dunn seized the opportunity.
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He realised that there were easier
ways of making money...
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than robbing banks.
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He had contacts in the UK selling
heroin. And he said,
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"If it works in Bradford and
Manchester and London,
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it's gonna work in Dublin."
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So strategically,
he set about importing heroin
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and he built his empire.
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And Ireland
would never be the same again.
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Skag, gear...
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spinach was a huge one in Dublin.
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Like Popeye.
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You know,
when you get that tin of spinach
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into you, yeah, it's the same thing.
Heroin's like that.
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It's your lust for life,
it's your reason to get up,
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it's your motivation for the day.
It's everything.
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And in the early '80s,
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heroin started to spread around
Dublin like wildfire.
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♪ JOY DIVISON: She's Lost Control
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What's it like to be addicted to
something like morphine or heroin?
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You know, it's... it's cool.
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I do find find that it helps to
release my inhibitions, you know?
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And that way,
I feel a lot freer in society.
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♪ Confusion in her eyes
that says it all
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♪ She's lost control ♪
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Using an opiate over a period raises
the body's tolerance for the drug.
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The addict must have more and more
of it to get the effect,
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or high, as he calls it.
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All is sacrificed to this craving,
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job, sex life, self-respect.
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When heroin arrived, nobody
really knew what was happening.
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It almost exploded... quite suddenly,
but with very devastating effects.
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Dublin's sudden heroin epidemic
is now threatening
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the very lifestyle of the city.
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Boys would take women's handbags
or rob money out of shops.
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I just hit them
and take the money off them.
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What do you hit them with?
A pick-axe handle.
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The obsession was on me. I crossed
my own moral boundaries.
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I stole from my mum's handbag.
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Nothing was safe
when I was on heroin as a young man.
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Petty crime just mushroomed
over a couple of months.
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All of these young people
were on heroin.
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They took ornaments,
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a lot of little antiques
that me mammy gave me.
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I actually sleep with a hammer
under me bed.
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The speed with which drug dealing
became profitable,
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that was phenomenal to witness.
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I was a young reporter covering
crime and the rising tide of drugs.
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Dublin was erm...
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It's difficult to quantify now,
but it was a much smaller city.
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You knew the police.
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If you were down around the port,
you also got to know the criminals.
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Larry Dunne had this reputation
for being affable...
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...but you didn't hold sway
in a city like Dublin
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in the criminal fraternity
without having a fear factor.
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He was the kingpin and there was an
awful lot of money... changing hands.
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Customs officers in Britain
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seized record quantities of heroin
last year.
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One thing which has emerged,
which has been very difficult,
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is the carriage of drugs
in the natural cavities of the body.
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What we refer to
as the swallowers and stuffers.
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I went over to Europe to do this run
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and pick up a couple of ounces
for a friend of mine.
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On the way to the airport
in the back of the taxi,
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everything I had packed away
in my back end just... blew out.
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And it was in my pants,
in my long johns.
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A small airport, six bored customs
officers standing there.
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And I'm coming through. And if you
look down at this flimsy suit,
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you can actually see that there was
three separate ounces.
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They're sitting on my legs.
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And I go through the metal detector
and it beeps.
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And I apologise. I come back. And
the last thing I want is a pat down.
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And the guy opens the door and says,
"Please, just come in, sir."
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Because the thing kept beeping.
And then I just remembered...
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And I just pulled up my shirt.
And he came over with a wand
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and waved it in front
and it started to beep.
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And he laughed and the others
laughed and ...and that was it.
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And I pretend to be embarrassed,
but I was shitting myself.
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I came that close.
Did that experience
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- put you off doing it again?
- No.
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Jesus! Unfortunately, no.
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This particular suitcase is purpose
built for heroin smuggling,
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made up specially at a leather goods
shop in Tehran.
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Behind the lining, all the way
around the sides,
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the front and the back,
hidden in hollowed out compartments,
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three kilos of heroin
with a street value
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of about half a million pounds.
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For every kilogram seized
perhaps ten get through.
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Fucking yes! Here we go.
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All right there, Mairead?
All right, Mickey.
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Four kilos.
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Howe was your flight, Mairead?
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Grand.
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- No hassle?
- No.
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One, two, three, four, five.
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We're a bag short.
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Mairead.
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A wee bit shy.
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Mairead.
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Come on.
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Fair fucks to ya.
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Go on.
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Sorry, Mr Dunne. Thank you.
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You're fucking joking me?
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If she does it again...
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put her in the Liffey.
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Back in the early '80s,
the deep priority, the big challenge
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for the state
and for law enforcement
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for the Garda Siochana was the IRA.
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There were kidnappings, there were shootings,
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there were bodies on the border.
Drugs wasn't seen as a problem,
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er, the Troubles were the problem.
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And the police force
wasn't structured
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to deal with a heroin epidemic.
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It was like this big ship trying
to turn to meet the challenge...
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but... I could see the gap.
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The modus operandi
of these drug dealers
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was to sell
in city centre flat complexes.
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And the only way to get to them
was to get up close and personal
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and try and buy drugs.
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But undercover at that time
was completely unheard of.
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I put this suggestion forward
to our bosses
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and was basically told,
"It's crazy. Don't do it."
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So I went back to the group
that I was working with,
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and we decided
we'd give it a try anyway.
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I had borrowed a motorbike jacket,
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and I went into a city centre flat
complex on the north side of Dublin.
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And I went to a particular flat...
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...where I knocked on the door.
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The door was opened by this big guy.
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I can still see him
looking down on me.
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I'd like some gear.
Some smack, please.
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It's ten for one, yeah?
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DS. You're under arrest.
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The what?
Drug Squad. You're coming with me.
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He picked up a bag
which contained drugs
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and threw it into the blazing fire.
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I knew without the drugs,
I didn't have a case.
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Argh!
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So I pit my hand back into the fire,
picked out the bags.
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- Come here!
- Get off!
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You're going down!
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This was the first undercover drugs
buy in the history of the state.
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Myself and that group of people
began to work together
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and executed our own undercover operations.
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And locals started to call the group Mockies,
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possibly on the understanding that
we were all mock addicts.
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We were called mavericks
and renegades,
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not just from those in authority,
but from some of our peers as well.
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I grew up in a working-class area.
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I was adventurous,
probably a little bit daring.
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In the Guards in those days,
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women were very much confined
to particular roles,
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but I wanted some excitement,
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so I found myself getting more
and more involved in drugs work.
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Across the city,
you could see people
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suffering in front of your eyes.
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And when heroin hit first,
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the Guards were scrambling
to deal with that.
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But once you started
working up the chain,
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the Dunne family
came into that picture.
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Larry Dunn
was the biggest drug-pushing bastard
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that ever walked the Earth.
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We were such a content,
happy community.
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Then in came the drug lords.
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And I noticed a coupe of the lads,
they didn't seem with it.
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When you'd look in their eyes...
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...their eyes were like filmed.
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It was heroin.
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I've seen it in their arms.
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How old were they?
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11, 12...13.
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Kids like.
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Drug dealers. They'd gathered,
lighting fires in the fields.
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The guys were afraid of Mick.
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I said, "To hell with this."
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So I marched up onto the field.
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And they were all...
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00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,840
But they realised then
I...I meant business.
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And then I was in bed one night...
and there was a noise.
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And was a van
parked outside my door there.
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And there was guns.
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Shotguns... aimed at the bedroom.
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That's when I said, "Right,
something has gotta be done.
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00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,000
What the fuck can we do?"
342
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:46,280
A lot of flat complexes in Dublin
were built to clear the tenements.
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Some of the older residents
were here from the beginning.
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They'd talked about
shiny new houses,
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having a safe area for kids to play,
so they were proud of it.
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But suddenly you'd see people
coming in in the courtyard here,
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or in the stairwells, shooting up
heroin all day, all night.
348
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Phil Lynott came up.
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Phil Lynott from Thin Lizzy
came up one evening to buy heroin.
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00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:19,080
And even though Phil Lynott's loved
and adored by everybody in Dublin,
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it was like, "Is that what we are?
352
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Is that what this community is?
Are we a supermarket?"
353
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So something kicked in to say
we just can't tolerate that.
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So meetings were called.
355
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And very much
this was like a people's court.
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The atmosphere was electric.
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You couldn't move in this hall.
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Those corridors, all the way down...
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...jam packed.
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We were angry.
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We wanted something done.
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We had identified the pusher
on the road.
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And the decision was made
that evening...
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...to march on that house
365
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and put this person... out.
366
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,280
Meetings like this were taking place
all over Dublin.
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00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,240
Pushers, pushers, pushers!
368
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,360
Out, out, out!
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00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,480
Basically, the message was,
"Look, we live here.
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We don't want you selling drugs."
And that pressure was huge.
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Pushers out!
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There was an excitement of power.
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And if somebody
was very, very resistant and said,
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"I'm not moving. Fuck yous."
In that case, they would be evicted.
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00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,280
A movement developed then.
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00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,840
It actually called itself
Concerned Parents Against Drugs.
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I would have been 14 say.
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00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,640
And literally
you would have maybe 200 people
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standing at the bottom
of a tower block,
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00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,520
and then they'd have a group of men
going up,
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00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,600
kicking the door in and people
shouting, "It is you, it's not me."
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And you would see furniture
coming out over the block.
383
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And then going back over
to the pub and skull 20 pints
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00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:23,800
and talk about it. I just thought,
as a kid, "Why is that drug bad,
385
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,040
but this drug,
that my community seems to love,
386
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,440
which is probably a bigger killer,
387
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,160
why is this one all right,
but that one's bad."
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00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,520
We understood
how to deal with the drinking,
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00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,240
we just didn't understand this.
390
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,480
We didn't understand
why they needed it.
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00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,120
What kind of pain must you have
been feeling
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00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:47,000
in order to inject that heroin
into your body?
393
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,760
But there's
a lot of pain and trauma,
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00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,160
a lot of abuse in Dublin.
395
00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:55,760
And heroin became a hero for people
396
00:27:55,760 --> 00:28:02,360
who needed something stronger
than Guinness just to feel... normal,
397
00:28:02,360 --> 00:28:04,920
just not to be in pain for a while.
398
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,320
And then
it devastated the community.
399
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:13,040
But people started to make huge
money on the back of all this.
400
00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:21,520
This is Gorse Rock,
a £150,000 spread
401
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,080
in the foothills
of the Dublin Mountains.
402
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,000
The man who owns it
was described as a leading figure
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00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:32,160
in the distribution of heroin in
Dublin. His name is Larry Dunne.
404
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,480
In the spring of 1981, Irish
Prime Minister Charles Haughey
405
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,880
summoned the country's
top four policemen
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to an unprecedented emergency
meeting on drugs.
407
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,680
He began by asking,
"Will someone tell me
408
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,640
who the hell are the Dunnes?"
409
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,920
Most of Dublin already knew
the answer to that question.
410
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:57,160
Charles Haughey called in
the Guarda commissioner
411
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,280
and gave him an ultimatum
412
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:04,720
that he wanted the Dunne crime
family broken up within 18 months.
413
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,960
The hunt was on
to bring them to justice.
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00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,920
In the Republic of Ireland
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00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,240
the age of criminal responsibility
is only seven.
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00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:28,560
1,800 children aged between 7 and 16
are in special institutions.
417
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,960
They're doing terms of up to eight
years for offences
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00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,000
like petty theft and truancy.
419
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,440
From a young age
a number of the Dunnes
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00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,600
were incarcerated in industrial
schools run by the Catholic Church.
421
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:47,240
In a lot of cases, the individuals
who ran these institutions,
422
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,840
they were psychopathic,
there were sociopathic,
423
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,760
there were sadistic...
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00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,600
in their treatment
of young, vulnerable children.
425
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,800
They were run by Christian Brothers,
426
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:03,120
but they were all saints, and they
had the stockade in the place.
427
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,840
You put your hands in, your fucking
head in and it comes down on you.
428
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:11,240
- Stocks?!
- Yeah.
- Like in mediaeval times?
- Yeah!
429
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,160
I escaped and they shaved me
head, right?
430
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,240
And there was fucking skin on the
thing they shaved me head with.
431
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:23,240
It was for shearing
sheep and... cattle.
432
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,800
We were all beaten, driven mad.
433
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,320
The we went to a place
called Daingean.
434
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,120
They were the epitome
of fucking evil.
435
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:41,040
The experiences...
that those children endured
436
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,040
is what formed them
for the rest of their lives.
437
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,880
For a lot of the individuals
438
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,080
who became involved
in drug-related criminality
439
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,160
that was their experience
from a young age.
440
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,720
"In Dublin City the Concerned
Parents anti-drugs movement
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00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,040
is fighting back
against the drug pushers."
442
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,440
Fucking Concerned Parents!
443
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,480
Fucking...!
444
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:25,200
We're satisfied now that... the
flats is rid of all our problems
445
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,160
in regards to the drugs.
446
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,320
"Tonight, the residents of
St Teresa's Gardens are celebrating.
447
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,800
This community has broken the grip
of the pushers."
448
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,000
People power.
449
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,920
We had a big success.
450
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,160
We thought, "We're untouchable."
451
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,240
By the early 1980s,
the Concerned Parents
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00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,400
seemed to have had success
453
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,760
in pushing the dealers
out of parts of the city,
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00:31:55,760 --> 00:32:01,400
and it looked as if the heroin
epidemic was getting under control.
455
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:06,400
# She wheels a wheelbarrow
456
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:11,280
♪ Through streets
that are narrow ...♪
457
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:25,320
Unfortunately, the dealers
just relocated to other complexes.
458
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:31,320
The reality was that heroin in
Dublin was almost unstoppable.
459
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,520
'We continued
our undercover operations
460
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,320
and our group had some success,
461
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,200
but the nature of the job,
it carries a lot of risks.'
462
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,760
Dealers were watching out for what
they would see as traditional cops,
463
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,200
so it was very important that we
actually looked like addicts.
464
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:56,080
I shaved my head...
I dyed it different colours.
465
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,120
You're dealing with violent people,
466
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:03,320
and the only thing between them
and a prison sentence was you.
467
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,080
I remember this particular guy
headbutted me straight in the face,
468
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,200
but I was intent on holding onto him
till we got assistance,
469
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,240
so that he could be arrested.
470
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,760
We were stabbed with syringes, bitten.
471
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,480
One guy held the record,
he was bitten four times
472
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:25,040
- And nobody gave in.
- You must have
- been scared?
- Yeah, terrified.
473
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,840
But it was the only way of doing it.
You just took your chances.
474
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,120
But a lot of the work
that was being done by the Mockies,
475
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,320
it wasn't always spoken about.
476
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:38,280
So that created a perception
that very little has being done.
477
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,600
These dealers
are building up their profits.
478
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,880
They have the nicest cars,
the fanciest houses.
479
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,360
And that's where you had
a lot of frustration
480
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,200
developing in the communities.
481
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,520
But as that developed,
it became... problematic.
482
00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:59,960
The protesters were from
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00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:02,680
the Concerned Parents Against Drugs movement.
484
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:07,240
They say the house was being used
for drug pushing.
485
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,600
The Garda moved in
to arrest the protesters inside.
486
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,600
I am not anyway political,
but... I was arrested.
487
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,720
The police, they asked me, "Do you
know who you're involved with?
488
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:31,920
The IRA.
489
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:37,040
All the bombings, the shootings,
all this going on, it's the IRA.
490
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,360
Are you involved in that?"
491
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:43,480
Soon after its formation,
492
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,880
the Concerned Parents Against Drugs movement
493
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,680
attracted
the involvement of Sinn Fein,
494
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,160
allegedly the then political wing
of the IRA.
495
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,240
This Sinn Fein article ended
with a warning to pushers,
496
00:34:55,240 --> 00:34:58,280
"they will not be safe
no matter where they live."
497
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,880
And the state for a time actually
thought the Concerned Parents
498
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,400
were gonna start
a revolution within Ireland
499
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,920
through their anti-drugs movement.
500
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,200
Pusher, pusher, pusher!
501
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,160
The Concerned Parents group,
it was mob rule,
502
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,120
whether you like it or not.
There's no due process,
503
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,440
somebody decides, "This guy
should go. We don't like him."
504
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,000
Where does it stop?
505
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,760
Had I stayed in the area,
when things got really heavy,
506
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,560
I have no doubt my gaff
would have been marched on.
507
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,520
♪ She said it's getting better... ♪
508
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:47,840
I decided to go back to Germany.
I actually managed to get clean.
509
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:52,560
And I was in a band, and we
could have done something maybe,
510
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,000
but heroin had already
got its nasty claws into me.
511
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,920
One of my friends came over.
512
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,240
I used with him a couple of times.
513
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:10,840
That summer, he called me from
London and told me that he had AIDS.
514
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,160
I took an AIDS test.
515
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,760
And the doctor
called me into a little room.
516
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,120
He said, "I got your results.
Oh, great!
517
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:24,000
Could you take a seat, please? I'm
sorry to tell you, you have AIDS."
518
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:28,520
And then he started explaining about
white cells and red cells
519
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,240
in German to me.
And I had to stop him.
520
00:36:31,240 --> 00:36:35,400
And I said to him in English,
"How long have I got to live now?"
521
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,920
He said, "When do you think
you got infected?"
522
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:42,000
I said, "Last year." He said, "Oh,
good, you could have 5-7 years."
523
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,080
And I'm like 21.
524
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,880
And I thought, "Well, I'd rather
have two fucking year on my terms."
525
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,440
And I went straight
to the Reeperbahn
526
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,480
and I bought ten bags of gear.
527
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,800
And I locked the door for a week.
528
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,240
I thought,
"Oh, I'm gonna take heroin
529
00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:00,160
and go out like like a true hero."
530
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:06,640
What we're facing is a doubling of
AIDS cases in a nine month period.
531
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,640
Today, the biggest risk
532
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,560
lies with the large community of
intravenous heroin users in Dublin.
533
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,160
Do they want their brothers and
sisters and children
534
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,160
to be sticking these fucking things
into the arms?
535
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:27,680
As we continued our investigations,
we worked up through the pyramid.
536
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,280
We realised that there
was a central supply unit.
537
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,520
And it was Mickey "Dazzler" Dunne,
a brother of Larry Dunne...
538
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,600
...who at the time
was living in Fatima Mansions,
539
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,640
an inner city flat complex.
540
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,800
Mickey Dunn was known as "Dazzler"
because he was this flash guy.
541
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,280
And he revelled in it.
542
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,440
He was a suave sort of a guy
who loved himself.
543
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,080
Mickey was a lovely fella,
544
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,120
but he was never in trouble
or anything like that.
545
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,480
He worked all his life.
546
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,920
So why do you think he was targeted?
547
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,800
Because he was the brother
of Larry Dunne.
548
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,760
You're a Dunne,
and that's it, you're done!
549
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,120
Are you with me?
That's the mentality of 'em, man.
550
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,240
We identified Micky "Dazzler" Dunne
551
00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:26,440
as being a linchpin
within the whole gang.
552
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:32,240
So we devised a plan to arrest him
and take him out of the picture.
553
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,880
We had watched the flat for a while.
554
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,920
We saw addicts coming and going.
555
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,600
There were a lot of criminals
at the time living there,
556
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,600
so it was difficult to get in.
557
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,240
And if something happened, it was
even more difficult to get out of.
558
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,920
Yeah?
559
00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:08,240
We'd like some gear.
560
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,520
Just selling the big weights, lads.
561
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,600
Go downstairs, yeah?
562
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,640
Mickey, we're the DS.
563
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,400
- Fuck off!
- Mickey?
564
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,000
We're the Guards. We've
got a warrant to search the place.
565
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,000
We tumble in the door.
566
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,760
You fucking prick!
567
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,640
And then
I looked into his living room...
568
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,760
...and I realised
we were way out of our depth.
569
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,920
Don't fucking move, lads.
570
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,800
Garda are here.
We've got the place surrounded.
571
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,880
And I said the place was surrounded.
And I said, "Look..."
572
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:03,000
Was it surrounded?
No. It was a complete bluff.
573
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,440
These were hardened criminals.
574
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,160
It was on a knife edge.
575
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,360
But we were lucky.
576
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,520
Mickey kept them under control.
577
00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:23,760
And we got to him and got the drugs.
578
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,400
Michael Dunne,
known as Mickey Dazzler.
579
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,720
"He was described as having taken
a major part
580
00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:43,080
in the distribution
of heroin in Dublin."
581
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,760
The pressure
was getting to Larry Dunn.
582
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,360
"Michael Dunne,
seen here with his wife Delores,
583
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,920
was sentenced to seven years in jail
for possession of heroin."
584
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:59,280
The people he depended on...
were dropping like flies.
585
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,200
He was getting more paranoid.
586
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,160
And there was a suggestion
that he was using the drugs.
587
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,640
And then there was a big problem.
588
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:14,560
Larry's house
had been raided back in 1980,
589
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,320
and a quantity of heroin had been
found in a pillowcase
590
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,720
in his daughter's bedroom.
591
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:27,640
But due to legal delays,
he had... remained at large
592
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,480
and built up his drugs empire.
593
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,240
But finally, in 1983,
594
00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:39,240
Larry Dunne was due to come
before the courts to face justice.
595
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:02,280
When Larry got trialled,
there were thousands of the public.
596
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,360
When the herd moves... that's it.
597
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,400
Larry had no chance.
598
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,280
It was like getting
thrown into the Colosseum
599
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,280
and eaten by lions.
600
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,320
So Larry's number was called
601
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,120
and there was nothing...
that could be done.
602
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,160
Yeah.
603
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,200
How d'you think it's going?
604
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,840
I think you're bollocksed, pal
605
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,800
I think you might be right there, fella.
606
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,680
Larry Dunn began to realise
607
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:03,280
that his... trial
was not running as it should.
608
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,000
So when he went for his lunch...
609
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,440
...Ireland's most infamous criminal
610
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:25,800
got into a taxi, got a ferry,
and left the country.
611
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,960
- He absconded?
- Yeah.
612
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,520
- Do you remember that?
- Yeah.
613
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,840
Yeah. Did you...? I have to ask, did
you have anything to do with it?
614
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,520
- No.No.
- No, but I would have done
the same thing he done.
615
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,360
Oh, I certainly would have, yeah.
616
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,160
Larry Dawn turned up in Spain,
617
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:06,680
where a lot of the Irish criminal
fraternity made second homes.
618
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,600
But then he ventured into Portugal,
619
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:15,160
where he was identified and arrested
and extradited back to Ireland.
620
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,800
Dunne, who tried to hide his face
with his hand,
621
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:32,080
had grown a beard since he absconded
from the court 21 months ago.
622
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,640
Dunn told the court that he'd been
abducted from a Dublin public house
623
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,720
and that because of the abduction
624
00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:41,200
he'd been unable
to attend his trial.
625
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,400
Anti-drugs campaigners were out in force
626
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:45,840
at Green Street Court again today,
627
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,760
as they have been every time
Dunne's appeared.
628
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,440
This time they had something
to cheer about...
629
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,640
...as one of Dublin's biggest
drugs dealers was sent to jail.
630
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:00,200
Oh, yeah, they really...
they crucified Larry.
631
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,440
When they gave him 14 years, er...
632
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,560
I mean it was...
633
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,640
a diabolical sentence
for what was involved.
634
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,120
Some of the protesters
felt the sentence was too lenient.
635
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,240
100 years he shoulda got.
636
00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:20,720
The lot of 'em!
And anyone who belongs to 'em!
637
00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:23,120
There's plenty more
Larry Dunnes around.
638
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,680
Everybody'll have to stand together
and root them all out.
639
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,240
That's what I say.
640
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:34,240
When Larry Dunne was arrested,
he said, "If you think we're bad,
641
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:37,240
wait till you see
what's coming down the tracks."
642
00:45:37,240 --> 00:45:40,720
And, you know,
with hindsight, he was right.
643
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:43,680
But that's the way
the drugs business was going to go.
644
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:47,440
It was never going to get better,
it was always going to get rougher
645
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,480
and more violent.
646
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:55,760
The drugs business was in its
infancy when Larry Dunne started it,
647
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,080
and it's gone
from strength to strength...
648
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,760
...with millions of euros being generated,
649
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,840
a large number of deaths.
650
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:10,280
The regrettable thing is that we're
all probably targets, unfortunately.
651
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:17,200
With criminal rivalry, it has gone
forward in leaps and bounds,
652
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:21,840
unenvisaged by anybody
who was policing back in the '80s.
653
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,120
It's gone multinational...
654
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,800
...from a small beginnings
in the inner city.
655
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,480
Obviously, I didn't die of AIDS.
656
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,000
I'm still here...
657
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,000
...all these years later.
658
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:30,320
We were inches away from
petrol bombing the fella's house,
659
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,840
and then looking at meself going,
"What the fuck am I doing?!
660
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,600
Who are these people?"
You know what I mean?
661
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,160
I know he's a rat,
and I know he's this,
662
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,680
I heard he's a dealer.
You're looking around going,
663
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,720
"Where the fuck are we going?"
664
00:47:43,720 --> 00:47:47,720
So that's where I was
growing up in Dublin...
665
00:47:47,720 --> 00:47:50,240
17 years of age.
666
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:52,200
And then I just went off raving.
667
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,720
I just went off raving.
668
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:03,000
It was just like a magician
literally flicked his fingers.
669
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,960
I said, "Keep the dealer in sight."
670
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,880
These looked like fuckers
not to be fucked with.
671
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,120
One on the lads
took a piece out.
672
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,360
So I grabbed it.
I said, "Pull the fucking thing!"
673
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:23,360
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