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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:42,960 --> 00:01:11,113 ♪ 2 00:01:11,197 --> 00:01:12,907 And at five dollars a barrel less-- 3 00:01:12,990 --> 00:01:14,241 Water was ten feet-- 4 00:01:14,325 --> 00:01:15,785 - First ball-- - But if we take away-- 5 00:01:15,868 --> 00:01:17,286 Lead is-- 6 00:01:17,369 --> 00:01:18,370 Down on the process-- 7 00:01:22,917 --> 00:01:24,376 Grab a look a man who left-- 8 00:01:24,460 --> 00:01:26,754 In a Caribbean jet liner-- 9 00:01:26,837 --> 00:01:27,963 - A gay man was shot to death. - Towels for a dollar-- 10 00:01:28,047 --> 00:01:29,465 Our headquarters overseas. 11 00:01:29,548 --> 00:01:31,884 At seventy-two seconds following liftoff, 12 00:01:31,967 --> 00:01:33,344 the tragic explosion. 13 00:01:33,427 --> 00:01:35,554 The Challenger was engulfed in flames. 14 00:01:35,638 --> 00:01:49,401 ♪ 15 00:01:49,485 --> 00:01:52,029 In Iran, the war is a holy crusade 16 00:01:52,113 --> 00:01:54,865 promoted on television with Marshall Music and-- 17 00:01:54,949 --> 00:01:57,535 People always ask why. 18 00:01:57,618 --> 00:01:59,578 Why did she do it? 19 00:01:59,662 --> 00:02:01,122 And to understand that, 20 00:02:01,205 --> 00:02:03,541 you really need to know who my mother was 21 00:02:03,624 --> 00:02:05,793 and the life she lived. 22 00:02:05,876 --> 00:02:09,880 ♪ 23 00:02:09,964 --> 00:02:12,883 I know her life is strange 24 00:02:12,967 --> 00:02:16,512 and questionable by many, 25 00:02:16,595 --> 00:02:19,014 but I know she was here for a purpose. 26 00:02:19,098 --> 00:02:21,517 ♪ 27 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,521 A lot of craziness produces a lot of brilliance. 28 00:02:25,604 --> 00:02:27,940 And I think there's something 29 00:02:28,023 --> 00:02:31,735 kind of brilliant about what Marion Stokes did. 30 00:02:31,819 --> 00:02:35,531 Whatever motivated her, this material needed to wind up 31 00:02:35,614 --> 00:02:38,242 in a situation where it could be shared. 32 00:02:38,325 --> 00:02:41,662 We do expect it to tighten as more and more adult supporters 33 00:02:41,745 --> 00:02:42,830 sort of come out of the closet. 34 00:02:42,913 --> 00:02:44,748 ♪ 35 00:02:44,832 --> 00:02:46,250 Taping these programs, for my mother, 36 00:02:46,333 --> 00:02:48,294 was a form of activism. 37 00:02:48,377 --> 00:02:49,753 She wanted people to be able 38 00:02:49,837 --> 00:02:52,715 to seek the truth and check facts. 39 00:02:52,798 --> 00:02:56,135 ♪ 40 00:02:56,218 --> 00:02:58,137 She thought that everybody needed to have access 41 00:02:58,220 --> 00:03:00,639 to knowledge to make good decisions 42 00:03:00,723 --> 00:03:02,641 to have the real truth. 43 00:03:02,725 --> 00:03:06,312 ♪ 44 00:03:06,395 --> 00:03:10,065 How useful is it in making life better, making my life better, 45 00:03:10,149 --> 00:03:11,734 and making life for other people better. 46 00:03:11,817 --> 00:03:14,278 Now, if it is useful, 47 00:03:14,361 --> 00:03:15,779 if it's a useful correlation, 48 00:03:15,863 --> 00:03:17,323 a way of looking at things, if it-- 49 00:03:17,406 --> 00:03:19,450 if it enhances my freedom 50 00:03:19,533 --> 00:03:22,620 because I can make choices 51 00:03:22,703 --> 00:03:25,039 rather than be buffeted like a leaf in the wind, 52 00:03:25,122 --> 00:03:26,832 but I can make choices. 53 00:03:26,916 --> 00:03:29,835 If it enhances my freedom then I don't have to see 54 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,631 the physical cause of why it works. 55 00:03:33,714 --> 00:03:35,633 ♪ 56 00:03:35,716 --> 00:03:38,761 I'm sure she came to value what was coming through the screens 57 00:03:38,844 --> 00:03:41,388 more than the kind of, very problematic messy stuff 58 00:03:41,472 --> 00:03:44,725 that was happening, you know, in her real life. 59 00:03:44,808 --> 00:03:58,572 ♪ 60 00:04:04,536 --> 00:04:08,499 I was Mrs. Stokes' chauffeur in Philadelphia. 61 00:04:08,582 --> 00:04:11,085 She lived in the richest part of the city. 62 00:04:11,168 --> 00:04:12,503 The square itself is surrounded 63 00:04:12,586 --> 00:04:16,423 by very expensive apartment buildings. 64 00:04:16,507 --> 00:04:21,553 It was the number one address to have in Philadelphia. 65 00:04:21,637 --> 00:04:23,514 My dad had a construction company 66 00:04:23,597 --> 00:04:25,557 and we did a lot of work in Barclay. 67 00:04:25,641 --> 00:04:27,810 And that's how we ran into the Stokes 68 00:04:27,893 --> 00:04:31,772 and they had us do their renovations. 69 00:04:31,855 --> 00:04:35,609 Very mysterious and very private. 70 00:04:35,693 --> 00:04:38,028 Her husband, John, would come out and talk to me 71 00:04:38,112 --> 00:04:41,198 and I would speak to Marion through the door. 72 00:04:41,282 --> 00:04:44,493 She would open the door maybe an inch and talk to me. 73 00:04:44,576 --> 00:04:47,496 I would say it was three or four months 74 00:04:47,579 --> 00:04:50,499 before I actually met her. 75 00:04:50,582 --> 00:04:53,252 We were getting close to finishing their place 76 00:04:53,335 --> 00:04:56,672 when they said they would like me to start working for them, 77 00:04:56,755 --> 00:05:00,009 helping them do things. 78 00:05:00,092 --> 00:05:02,803 I was kind of shocked because of, you know, 79 00:05:02,886 --> 00:05:04,430 I'd never, I guess, 80 00:05:04,513 --> 00:05:07,808 been with someone that had so much stuff. 81 00:05:07,891 --> 00:05:10,769 They had enormous amount of furniture 82 00:05:10,853 --> 00:05:14,898 and archives, magazines, books. 83 00:05:14,982 --> 00:05:17,484 She read about 11 newspapers a day 84 00:05:17,568 --> 00:05:20,321 and I don't think she ever threw one out. 85 00:05:20,404 --> 00:05:22,072 When I first got there, 86 00:05:22,156 --> 00:05:23,615 Mrs. Stokes didn't really talk to me. 87 00:05:23,699 --> 00:05:25,284 She introduced herself. 88 00:05:25,367 --> 00:05:27,703 She laid down what she wanted, 89 00:05:27,786 --> 00:05:29,163 what she expected of me, 90 00:05:29,246 --> 00:05:31,749 but it was no conversation. 91 00:05:31,832 --> 00:05:34,168 She would have the tapes going on different TVs 92 00:05:34,251 --> 00:05:35,878 throughout the apartment. 93 00:05:35,961 --> 00:05:38,672 So every TV she couldn't get to. 94 00:05:38,756 --> 00:05:40,924 So certain TVs, I would change the tapes 95 00:05:41,008 --> 00:05:43,344 and Frank also had TVs in the back 96 00:05:43,427 --> 00:05:45,429 that he was taping from, so. 97 00:05:45,512 --> 00:05:49,099 It was a project for everybody to be doing. 98 00:05:49,183 --> 00:05:51,894 Now there were some codes of conduct 99 00:05:51,977 --> 00:05:54,855 that were made very clear to me early on. 100 00:05:54,938 --> 00:05:56,607 No talking. 101 00:05:56,690 --> 00:06:01,111 It was like "Driving Miss Daisy" in reverse. 102 00:06:01,195 --> 00:06:04,573 Everything was absolutely ritualized. 103 00:06:04,656 --> 00:06:06,742 We had to make sure there was no one in the vicinity 104 00:06:06,825 --> 00:06:08,744 when we went out the front doors. 105 00:06:08,827 --> 00:06:10,204 I wasn't allowed to touch the car 106 00:06:10,287 --> 00:06:11,622 as far as open any doors. 107 00:06:11,705 --> 00:06:13,540 That was Richard's job. 108 00:06:13,624 --> 00:06:15,000 You know, she would sweep, 109 00:06:15,084 --> 00:06:18,087 shiny black car, like a film star. 110 00:06:18,170 --> 00:06:22,424 ♪ 111 00:07:43,088 --> 00:07:46,842 I do have a memory of demonstrations, 112 00:07:46,925 --> 00:07:49,636 one which garnered quite a kind of hostile response. 113 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:51,096 There were, there were some postcards sent-- 114 00:07:51,180 --> 00:07:52,639 sent to my mother saying, you know, well, 115 00:07:52,723 --> 00:07:56,268 if you don't like it here, go, go to Cuba. 116 00:07:56,351 --> 00:07:58,020 She was the Philadelphia Chairman 117 00:07:58,103 --> 00:08:00,439 for the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, 118 00:08:00,522 --> 00:08:02,441 an organization started by the Communist Party 119 00:08:02,524 --> 00:08:06,862 to raise awareness about the Cuban Revolution. 120 00:08:06,945 --> 00:08:11,158 At her core she was motivated by a belief in human freedom. 121 00:08:53,492 --> 00:08:54,910 They spent some time in Mexico 122 00:08:54,993 --> 00:08:56,828 trying to get in, didn't get in. 123 00:08:56,912 --> 00:09:00,207 I found a journal entry from my mother from around that time 124 00:09:00,290 --> 00:09:02,209 where she, she was fed up with something and she said, 125 00:09:02,292 --> 00:09:06,338 "I'm going back to the United States and taking the baby." 126 00:09:06,421 --> 00:09:08,840 So I think there was a lot of tension. 127 00:09:22,187 --> 00:09:24,940 My mother was fired from her job as a librarian 128 00:09:25,023 --> 00:09:29,069 and I'm pretty sure it had to do with her being a Communist. 129 00:09:29,152 --> 00:09:32,406 You know, she was definitely spied on by the FBI. 130 00:09:32,489 --> 00:09:33,949 And we know that she had a file 131 00:09:34,032 --> 00:09:35,659 and, you know, there are pictures of her 132 00:09:35,742 --> 00:09:37,744 and reports from networks of informants 133 00:09:37,828 --> 00:09:39,871 and that kind of stuff. 134 00:09:39,955 --> 00:09:45,502 She was justified in feeling being watched. 135 00:09:45,586 --> 00:09:47,254 For personality reasons, I think my mother kind of 136 00:09:47,337 --> 00:09:49,548 overdid it, and continued to overdo it 137 00:09:49,631 --> 00:09:52,050 until the day of her death. 138 00:10:26,084 --> 00:10:28,545 She was enormously controlling. 139 00:10:28,629 --> 00:10:30,631 She made it very difficult on my father 140 00:10:30,714 --> 00:10:33,717 when he would come to visit. 141 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,303 So I saw him less and less. 142 00:10:36,386 --> 00:10:42,142 ♪ 143 00:10:51,943 --> 00:10:54,613 ♪ 144 00:10:54,696 --> 00:10:58,074 Captain's log Stardate 5784.2. 145 00:10:58,158 --> 00:11:00,369 We are responding to desperate distress calls 146 00:11:00,452 --> 00:11:02,329 - from an unknown planet. - My mother was a huge fan of 147 00:11:02,412 --> 00:11:05,207 - the original Star Trek series. - Unable to account for this 148 00:11:05,290 --> 00:11:07,334 since he reported no signs of life on the planet. 149 00:11:07,417 --> 00:11:09,795 The themes that she really liked were that Earth 150 00:11:09,878 --> 00:11:11,296 had actually sorted its problems out, there was 151 00:11:11,380 --> 00:11:13,590 the United Federation of Planets. 152 00:11:13,674 --> 00:11:15,258 That there was this kind of multi-racial, 153 00:11:15,342 --> 00:11:18,887 multi-national crew that worked very well together, 154 00:11:18,970 --> 00:11:21,723 that the mission of this incredibly well-armed ship 155 00:11:21,807 --> 00:11:23,725 was exploration, not warfare. 156 00:11:23,809 --> 00:11:26,770 You know, it was basically kind of televised socialism. 157 00:11:26,853 --> 00:11:29,356 And she loved that whole thing. 158 00:11:29,439 --> 00:11:32,859 ♪ 159 00:11:35,445 --> 00:11:39,407 The first Betamax recorder I remember was in late '75. 160 00:11:39,491 --> 00:11:42,077 And that was the first one, it was used sparingly. 161 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,163 She didn't start recording the news immediately. 162 00:11:45,247 --> 00:11:46,832 She liked situation comedies. 163 00:11:46,915 --> 00:11:48,250 Where are you goin'? 164 00:11:48,333 --> 00:11:50,585 Where am I goin', where else can I go? 165 00:11:50,669 --> 00:11:53,839 I'm goin' over here and sit down. 166 00:11:53,922 --> 00:11:58,051 I do what I usually do, look at TV. 167 00:11:58,135 --> 00:12:03,306 Well, why would you look at TV when it ain't workin'? 168 00:12:03,390 --> 00:12:04,850 Science documentaries. 169 00:12:04,933 --> 00:12:06,935 - Snakes, lizards have-- - With existence, CIA- 170 00:12:07,018 --> 00:12:09,730 These kind of high-impact current events. 171 00:12:09,855 --> 00:12:12,357 First it gathers information, intelligence. 172 00:12:12,441 --> 00:12:14,568 There's a second kind of thing that the CIA does 173 00:12:14,651 --> 00:12:17,195 and that's to take secret action to change 174 00:12:17,279 --> 00:12:19,239 what goes on in another country. 175 00:12:19,322 --> 00:12:20,741 This could involve giving money 176 00:12:20,824 --> 00:12:22,701 to help a candidate win an election. 177 00:12:22,784 --> 00:12:25,287 It might involve aiding in the overthrow of a government 178 00:12:25,370 --> 00:12:27,164 which we think is a threat to us. 179 00:12:27,247 --> 00:12:28,790 It could even mean arranging 180 00:12:28,874 --> 00:12:31,376 or trying to arrange an assassination, 181 00:12:31,460 --> 00:12:33,170 as in the case of Fidel Castro. 182 00:12:33,253 --> 00:12:35,422 Your newspapers, radio, television, 183 00:12:35,505 --> 00:12:37,758 motion pictures are understated in tone. 184 00:12:37,841 --> 00:12:42,429 No dissent or opposition is allowed in the public media. 185 00:12:42,512 --> 00:12:46,099 One of Lenin's principles was that the method and the tenor 186 00:12:46,183 --> 00:12:47,559 through which you take your daily news 187 00:12:47,642 --> 00:12:49,853 colors your view of the world. 188 00:12:49,936 --> 00:12:53,523 Material things do influence our emotions 189 00:12:53,607 --> 00:12:56,777 and we do react in an emotional way 190 00:12:56,860 --> 00:12:59,279 to various symbols, colors, and so on. 191 00:12:59,362 --> 00:13:01,364 And some of these things are chosen. 192 00:13:01,448 --> 00:13:02,741 They're decided by somebody-- 193 00:13:02,824 --> 00:13:04,242 Now, it seems to me that-- 194 00:13:04,326 --> 00:13:05,827 She became aware of the power 195 00:13:05,911 --> 00:13:08,371 of television to inform or misinform people 196 00:13:08,455 --> 00:13:10,499 when she started working on a television program 197 00:13:10,582 --> 00:13:12,250 in the late 1960s. 198 00:13:12,334 --> 00:13:14,836 It was called "Input". 199 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:16,463 It was a current affairs discussion program 200 00:13:16,546 --> 00:13:21,426 by the local CBS affiliate in Philadelphia. 201 00:13:21,510 --> 00:13:24,679 They would assemble experts on a topic. 202 00:13:24,763 --> 00:13:27,390 Eugenics, Native American rights, 203 00:13:27,474 --> 00:13:30,685 race relations, prisoners' rights, 204 00:13:30,769 --> 00:13:32,604 with perspectives all around the situations 205 00:13:32,687 --> 00:13:34,564 and have it very publicly available 206 00:13:34,648 --> 00:13:37,359 so that people would be able to form their own opinions. 207 00:13:37,442 --> 00:13:38,693 Completely erratic. 208 00:13:38,777 --> 00:13:42,698 ♪ Walkin' down death row ♪ 209 00:13:42,781 --> 00:13:46,660 ♪ I sang for three men destined for the chair ♪ 210 00:13:46,743 --> 00:13:50,205 Marion, how do you view the last nine programs 211 00:13:50,288 --> 00:13:51,498 as we've sought to make this 212 00:13:51,581 --> 00:13:54,960 an open community type of TV presentation? 213 00:13:55,043 --> 00:13:56,670 Well, I find some people, uh, 214 00:13:56,753 --> 00:14:00,048 certainly grappling with and not quite understanding 215 00:14:00,131 --> 00:14:03,009 how it is that we managed to get these people together 216 00:14:03,093 --> 00:14:06,054 in the first place to talk. 217 00:14:06,137 --> 00:14:10,225 And not understanding the concept of an open community 218 00:14:10,308 --> 00:14:14,729 of trust which is big enough and open enough 219 00:14:14,813 --> 00:14:18,191 to include all the points of view 220 00:14:18,275 --> 00:14:21,319 expressed within a context of respect. 221 00:14:21,403 --> 00:14:22,946 I've been invited to openness 222 00:14:23,029 --> 00:14:25,615 by those who really are saying by that, 223 00:14:25,699 --> 00:14:28,076 I want to open you so that you'll be able 224 00:14:28,159 --> 00:14:29,703 to see that I'm right and you're wrong. 225 00:14:29,786 --> 00:14:33,081 And most people feel that their viewpoint is being heard, 226 00:14:33,164 --> 00:14:35,375 but they find themselves unable 227 00:14:35,458 --> 00:14:38,420 to accept the open expression of the other viewpoint. 228 00:14:38,503 --> 00:14:42,132 The power of mass media to affect public opinion 229 00:14:42,215 --> 00:14:44,301 was something that she became very conscious of. 230 00:14:44,384 --> 00:14:47,762 And she was aware of how the raw story gets filtered 231 00:14:47,846 --> 00:14:50,181 by the predilections of the people who are producing it. 232 00:14:50,265 --> 00:14:53,977 I think there should definitely be controls of other kinds, 233 00:14:54,060 --> 00:14:57,355 as well of material means of manipulating mind and emotion. 234 00:14:57,439 --> 00:14:59,733 And I think there are so many examples in daily life 235 00:14:59,816 --> 00:15:02,652 that people simply don't recognize. 236 00:15:02,736 --> 00:15:04,821 ♪ 237 00:15:04,905 --> 00:15:08,700 From ABC in New York, this is World News Tonight, 238 00:15:08,783 --> 00:15:12,996 Sunday, with Sam Donaldson. 239 00:15:13,079 --> 00:15:15,206 Good evening. The U.S. Embassy in Tehran 240 00:15:15,290 --> 00:15:17,876 has been invaded and occupied by Iranian students. 241 00:15:17,959 --> 00:15:20,211 The Americans inside have been taken prisoner 242 00:15:20,295 --> 00:15:22,005 and according to a student spokesman, 243 00:15:22,088 --> 00:15:24,674 will be held as hostages until the deposed Shah 244 00:15:24,758 --> 00:15:26,384 is returned from the United States 245 00:15:26,468 --> 00:15:28,678 where he's receiving medical treatment for cancer. 246 00:15:31,389 --> 00:15:33,224 While the Iranians burned an American flag 247 00:15:33,308 --> 00:15:35,435 in front of the embassy, they said the takeover 248 00:15:35,518 --> 00:15:39,606 had the express blessing of the Ayatollah Khomeini. 249 00:15:39,689 --> 00:15:42,067 My mother was very suspicious of the official stories 250 00:15:42,150 --> 00:15:45,153 about the Iranian hostage crisis 251 00:15:45,236 --> 00:15:49,157 and she became obsessed with the media coverage. 252 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,368 She felt that important information was being lost 253 00:15:51,451 --> 00:15:54,537 as the story evolved. 254 00:15:54,621 --> 00:15:56,331 So she kept taping. 255 00:15:56,414 --> 00:15:59,501 Some 60 Americans, including our fellow citizen 256 00:15:59,584 --> 00:16:02,295 whom you just saw bound and blindfolded, 257 00:16:02,379 --> 00:16:04,714 are now beginning their sixth day of captivity 258 00:16:04,798 --> 00:16:06,842 inside the U.S. Embassy in Tehran. 259 00:16:06,925 --> 00:16:09,511 Officials will continue their search for some way 260 00:16:09,594 --> 00:16:12,555 to negotiate the hostages' freedom. 261 00:16:12,639 --> 00:16:14,599 The story changed. 262 00:16:14,683 --> 00:16:17,936 A lot of the early reports indicated that there were, 263 00:16:18,019 --> 00:16:21,648 for example, CIA personnel among the hostages 264 00:16:21,731 --> 00:16:23,525 and then, suddenly, there weren't. 265 00:16:29,406 --> 00:16:31,408 You know, obviously, if you were running 266 00:16:31,491 --> 00:16:33,326 an intelligence agency it would be perfectly reasonable 267 00:16:33,410 --> 00:16:34,786 for them to suppress that information. 268 00:16:34,869 --> 00:16:36,454 But my mother was very conscious of that. 269 00:16:36,538 --> 00:16:38,581 Series of attempts to negotiate the release. 270 00:16:38,665 --> 00:16:40,667 She was saying, "Well, we've got to get this. 271 00:16:40,750 --> 00:16:42,836 Nobody else is gonna keep this." 272 00:16:42,919 --> 00:16:44,838 This to restore military balance 273 00:16:44,921 --> 00:16:46,715 with the Soviet Union and-- 274 00:16:46,798 --> 00:16:49,175 Her goal was trying to reveal a set of agendas 275 00:16:49,259 --> 00:16:50,969 on the part of governments. 276 00:16:51,052 --> 00:16:53,388 Soviet troops have swept into Afghanistan, 277 00:16:53,471 --> 00:16:54,848 dramatically changing 278 00:16:54,931 --> 00:16:56,850 the power game in the Persian Gulf. 279 00:16:56,933 --> 00:16:58,643 As much as it would like to, 280 00:16:58,727 --> 00:17:01,771 the United States can no longer encourage disintegration 281 00:17:01,855 --> 00:17:05,191 of authority in Iran in order to free the hostages. 282 00:17:05,275 --> 00:17:08,069 Day 59, January 1st, 283 00:17:08,153 --> 00:17:10,905 an angry mob of Afghan and Iranian demonstrators 284 00:17:10,989 --> 00:17:13,366 stormed the Soviet Embassy in Tehran. 285 00:17:13,450 --> 00:17:16,161 But this time, Khomeini's revolutionary guards 286 00:17:16,244 --> 00:17:19,539 evict the protestors. 287 00:17:19,622 --> 00:17:22,458 That same day, U.N. Secretary General Waldheim 288 00:17:22,542 --> 00:17:25,795 arrives in Tehran to negotiate the release of the hostages. 289 00:17:25,879 --> 00:17:27,255 She was kind of watching 290 00:17:27,338 --> 00:17:30,884 these positions and maneuverings, 291 00:17:30,967 --> 00:17:33,428 public opinion being molded. 292 00:17:33,511 --> 00:17:36,848 Kind of uniformly anti-Iran, people were calling for war. 293 00:17:36,931 --> 00:17:39,267 People were calling for all kinds of things. 294 00:17:39,350 --> 00:17:41,186 She felt that there was a lack of sympathy 295 00:17:41,269 --> 00:17:43,313 for the goals of the Iranian revolution. 296 00:17:43,396 --> 00:17:47,776 One analyst says, Khomeini so strongly detests the U.S. 297 00:17:47,859 --> 00:17:51,237 for its support of the Shah who was his lifetime enemy, 298 00:17:51,321 --> 00:17:54,908 but also because he considers Americans Satan's people 299 00:17:54,991 --> 00:17:57,327 and leaders of the decadent West. 300 00:17:57,410 --> 00:17:59,746 Outside the United States Embassy in Tehran, 301 00:17:59,829 --> 00:18:01,498 this morning the crowds, once again, 302 00:18:01,581 --> 00:18:04,125 took up their daily chanting and sign waving, 303 00:18:04,209 --> 00:18:06,336 especially for the television cameras. 304 00:18:09,089 --> 00:18:13,635 During that crisis, she hit record and she never stopped. 305 00:18:13,718 --> 00:18:16,221 The Iran Crisis. 306 00:18:16,304 --> 00:18:18,306 America Held Hostage. 307 00:18:18,389 --> 00:18:21,518 America Held Hostage aired first for fifteen minutes, 308 00:18:21,601 --> 00:18:23,186 then for a half hour. 309 00:18:23,269 --> 00:18:26,523 It's actually a kind of successful show 310 00:18:26,606 --> 00:18:30,985 to the point that Nightline was born. 311 00:18:31,069 --> 00:18:34,114 Nightline was actually a very transformative program 312 00:18:34,197 --> 00:18:36,699 in the history of American television. 313 00:18:36,783 --> 00:18:38,576 Iranian health representatives-- 314 00:18:38,660 --> 00:18:41,913 The idea of a news show at 11:30 at night, 315 00:18:41,996 --> 00:18:43,748 aired essentially in competition 316 00:18:43,832 --> 00:18:47,961 with the evening talk shows like The Tonight Show. 317 00:18:48,044 --> 00:18:52,298 And then, something kind of amazing happens. 318 00:18:52,382 --> 00:18:54,884 It actually is watched by a lot of people. 319 00:18:54,968 --> 00:18:57,095 Good evening, some of the rhetoric coming out 320 00:18:57,178 --> 00:19:01,349 of Iran today was reminiscent of the early weeks of this crisis. 321 00:19:01,432 --> 00:19:04,602 There was a long running drama 322 00:19:04,686 --> 00:19:06,688 which had the capacity 323 00:19:06,771 --> 00:19:09,732 to change every day unpredictably, 324 00:19:09,816 --> 00:19:12,944 so it had a beautiful, dramatic structure. 325 00:19:13,027 --> 00:19:16,281 It had lots of unpredictable characters, 326 00:19:16,364 --> 00:19:18,867 many sub events. 327 00:19:18,950 --> 00:19:20,702 There has been a startling new development 328 00:19:20,785 --> 00:19:22,620 in the Iran hostage crisis. 329 00:19:22,704 --> 00:19:25,165 That U.S. attempt to launch a military rescue 330 00:19:25,248 --> 00:19:27,834 of the American hostages in Tehran has been, 331 00:19:27,917 --> 00:19:30,503 as you have now heard several times, aborted. 332 00:19:30,587 --> 00:19:33,006 Eight U.S. servicemen killed in the process. 333 00:19:33,089 --> 00:19:37,510 And it had this kind of agonizing pathos 334 00:19:37,594 --> 00:19:39,846 of being taken hostage. 335 00:19:39,929 --> 00:19:41,723 Not only were the Americans 336 00:19:41,806 --> 00:19:44,392 held in the embassy in Tehran hostage, 337 00:19:44,475 --> 00:19:47,979 but everybody else was a hostage, too. 338 00:19:48,062 --> 00:19:53,860 The TV was part of what was taking us hostage. 339 00:19:53,943 --> 00:19:56,529 We have a report, Barbara, excuse me, 340 00:19:56,613 --> 00:19:59,782 I am just told that the Associated Press reports 341 00:19:59,866 --> 00:20:02,744 that the hostages are leaving the airport. 342 00:20:02,827 --> 00:20:06,122 Now we can't go any further than that on that report, 343 00:20:06,206 --> 00:20:07,957 but it comes to us from Associated Press. 344 00:20:08,041 --> 00:20:09,500 I don't know whether it's filed-- 345 00:20:09,584 --> 00:20:11,711 it must be filed from Tehran, and, uh, 346 00:20:11,794 --> 00:20:13,796 they say that the hostages are leaving the airport. 347 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,049 Imagine that, we are within half an hour 348 00:20:16,132 --> 00:20:17,967 - of the transition of power. - I'd like to hear 349 00:20:18,051 --> 00:20:20,345 from Ted Koppel before the President-elect comes out. 350 00:20:20,428 --> 00:20:22,222 Ted, can you come in and give us any late information 351 00:20:22,305 --> 00:20:24,891 - on the hostages? - Yes, I can, UPI has just 352 00:20:24,974 --> 00:20:27,435 gone with a flash, which is, in effect, the highest, 353 00:20:27,518 --> 00:20:30,480 the most important notification of news that they can give. 354 00:20:30,563 --> 00:20:33,149 The last time they did it was with the Kennedy assassination. 355 00:20:33,233 --> 00:20:36,903 It's two words, it says, "Hostages Freed." 356 00:20:36,986 --> 00:20:39,030 They're free, they're free, Mr. President. 357 00:20:39,113 --> 00:20:40,531 They're free, Mr. President. 358 00:20:40,615 --> 00:20:42,492 We've had press reports that they're free. 359 00:20:42,575 --> 00:20:44,494 - Freed. - We've had press report. 360 00:20:44,577 --> 00:20:46,287 What do you have to say about that? 361 00:20:46,371 --> 00:20:48,039 - What do you have to say, sir? - There's only one thing 362 00:20:48,122 --> 00:20:50,041 to say--thank God. 363 00:20:50,124 --> 00:20:52,293 One of the most dramatic freedom pictures that we've 364 00:20:52,377 --> 00:20:54,087 all ever seen--those, 365 00:20:54,170 --> 00:20:57,048 the 52 American hostages now officially designated 366 00:20:57,131 --> 00:21:00,343 the returnees out of Iran. 367 00:21:00,426 --> 00:21:03,346 The Iranian hostage crisis happened in 1979 368 00:21:03,429 --> 00:21:06,099 and CNN launched in 1980. 369 00:21:06,182 --> 00:21:08,268 So my mother started taping 370 00:21:08,351 --> 00:21:11,271 really, at the birth of the 24-hour news cycle. 371 00:21:11,354 --> 00:21:14,315 The news 24 hours every day. 372 00:21:14,399 --> 00:21:16,317 Then she, she really, 373 00:21:16,401 --> 00:21:18,444 she really went into high gear. 374 00:21:18,528 --> 00:21:20,446 I recall there were times when 375 00:21:20,530 --> 00:21:22,782 there were eight recorders going at once. 376 00:21:22,865 --> 00:21:24,701 Those were special occasions. 377 00:21:24,784 --> 00:21:28,955 Normally, there were three to five tapes recording. 378 00:21:29,038 --> 00:21:30,707 People would say things, like, "Well, 379 00:21:30,790 --> 00:21:33,459 of course, the station's gonna keep everything." 380 00:21:33,543 --> 00:21:34,836 Of course, we know now that the stations 381 00:21:34,919 --> 00:21:37,588 don't keep everything. 382 00:21:37,672 --> 00:21:40,341 She understood that this was changing, 383 00:21:40,425 --> 00:21:43,094 the speed of news was increasing, 384 00:21:43,177 --> 00:21:45,263 and that you'd find news in places that you wouldn't 385 00:21:45,346 --> 00:21:48,099 have found it in order to fill that space. 386 00:21:52,937 --> 00:21:54,897 ♪ 387 00:21:54,981 --> 00:21:57,317 With new capabilities for recording that 388 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,444 and for tracking that process, 389 00:21:59,527 --> 00:22:01,529 she was watching public opinion 390 00:22:01,612 --> 00:22:04,866 being molded in this new medium. 391 00:22:04,949 --> 00:22:10,204 ♪ 392 00:22:10,288 --> 00:22:14,459 I mean, I don't think it was joyful to her, this taping. 393 00:22:14,542 --> 00:22:17,295 And if the tape wasn't going, she was not happy. 394 00:22:17,378 --> 00:22:18,463 She couldn't leave the apartment 395 00:22:18,546 --> 00:22:19,881 without having a tape in. 396 00:22:19,964 --> 00:22:22,258 And if we came in and the tape stopped, 397 00:22:22,342 --> 00:22:25,428 she was upset, too, because she didn't get it all. 398 00:22:25,511 --> 00:22:27,180 "The tape is ended, what happened?" 399 00:22:27,263 --> 00:22:31,601 You know, so it was a disaster for the day. 400 00:22:31,684 --> 00:22:33,478 ♪ 401 00:22:33,561 --> 00:22:35,480 We had to go back to The Barclay 402 00:22:35,563 --> 00:22:38,649 in-between things to change the tapes. 403 00:22:38,733 --> 00:22:40,985 She always knew exactly 404 00:22:41,069 --> 00:22:43,321 when one of the tape machines were to stop. 405 00:22:43,404 --> 00:22:45,573 You said it was on Thursday night. 406 00:22:45,656 --> 00:22:47,784 - You taped the wrong show. - Take control of your TV. 407 00:22:47,867 --> 00:22:51,120 There is a system with your TV where you can record stuff, 408 00:22:51,204 --> 00:22:53,623 but she didn't want that. 409 00:22:53,706 --> 00:22:57,168 She was concerned someone else would know what she was taping. 410 00:22:57,251 --> 00:22:59,253 And she said, "I can tape what I want 411 00:22:59,337 --> 00:23:02,673 and people don't really know what I'm actually taping." 412 00:23:02,757 --> 00:23:05,093 The predawn retrieval of Elián González 413 00:23:05,176 --> 00:23:06,969 came as many had begun thinking 414 00:23:07,053 --> 00:23:09,514 that a voluntary handover was in the offing. 415 00:23:09,597 --> 00:23:12,016 A moment-by-moment account on how things changed 416 00:23:12,100 --> 00:23:15,269 from NBC's Pete Williams. 417 00:23:15,353 --> 00:23:17,188 She would often ask the people, 418 00:23:17,271 --> 00:23:18,773 you know, at Rittenhouse Camera, 419 00:23:18,856 --> 00:23:21,401 to send the tapes in black trash bags. 420 00:23:21,484 --> 00:23:23,569 ♪ 421 00:23:23,653 --> 00:23:27,782 I guess she felt insecure in a way that people were 422 00:23:27,865 --> 00:23:31,577 talkin' about her behind her back or something. 423 00:23:31,661 --> 00:23:33,413 You know, she would always tell me, "Frank-- 424 00:23:33,496 --> 00:23:36,165 I don't look like you and you don't understand 425 00:23:36,249 --> 00:23:40,837 what I've been through and how people judge her." 426 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,797 When she moved into The Barclay, she said 427 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,341 she had gotten comments from different residents 428 00:23:45,425 --> 00:23:48,553 saying she didn't belong there. 429 00:23:48,636 --> 00:23:51,472 She was secretive about the process of recording 430 00:23:51,556 --> 00:23:54,142 partly because she was secretive about everything, 431 00:23:54,225 --> 00:23:57,645 but partly because people kind of viewed it as kind of nutty. 432 00:23:57,728 --> 00:24:00,064 Lucy Coleman and Liz are identical twins 433 00:24:00,148 --> 00:24:01,566 and they're celebrating. 434 00:24:01,649 --> 00:24:04,402 Wednesday they'll be 100 years old. 435 00:24:04,485 --> 00:24:06,737 The odds of twins living a century are said to be 436 00:24:06,821 --> 00:24:08,698 one in seven hundred million. 437 00:24:08,781 --> 00:24:11,701 This is the greatest thing this town has ever had. 438 00:24:11,784 --> 00:24:13,244 And it's signed Ronald Reagan. 439 00:24:13,327 --> 00:24:16,497 - That's fine, thank you. - You're very welcome. 440 00:24:16,581 --> 00:24:18,458 - That's from the President. - I know. 441 00:24:18,541 --> 00:24:20,293 She told her husband ten years ago 442 00:24:20,376 --> 00:24:22,879 that she wanted to be buried in her beloved Cadillac. 443 00:24:22,962 --> 00:24:24,589 So after the 62-year-old woman 444 00:24:24,672 --> 00:24:26,924 died of cancer on Thursday, she got her wish. 445 00:24:27,008 --> 00:24:29,594 After the car was lowered into the vault by the crane, 446 00:24:29,677 --> 00:24:33,681 the woman's casket was placed on top of the car. 447 00:24:33,764 --> 00:24:36,142 They are still trying to reach little Jessica McClure. 448 00:24:36,225 --> 00:24:38,060 She's 18 months old, she's been trapped 449 00:24:38,144 --> 00:24:40,813 in a narrow pipe 20 feet below ground in Midland, Texas 450 00:24:40,897 --> 00:24:42,690 for nearly 24 hours now. 451 00:24:42,773 --> 00:24:44,233 The child fell while playing 452 00:24:44,317 --> 00:24:45,860 with other toddlers yesterday morning. 453 00:24:45,943 --> 00:24:48,571 Rescuers are now trying to tunnel through rock 454 00:24:48,654 --> 00:24:51,240 - to reach Jessica. - Beaufort, South Carolina 455 00:24:51,324 --> 00:24:53,117 is a tranquil sort of place. 456 00:24:53,201 --> 00:24:56,787 How loud can you be when you love God? 457 00:24:56,871 --> 00:25:00,041 Placid and tranquil until the preachers hit the streets. 458 00:25:00,124 --> 00:25:04,253 If you are found without the blood of Jesus Christ, 459 00:25:04,337 --> 00:25:07,882 you will be cast alive into a lake of fire. 460 00:25:07,965 --> 00:25:12,595 She did remark periodically on how small events 461 00:25:12,678 --> 00:25:15,681 from small town America would occasionally make it onto CNN, 462 00:25:15,765 --> 00:25:18,643 which would never have made the national news. 463 00:25:18,726 --> 00:25:21,395 She was concerned with how that 24-hour news cycle 464 00:25:21,479 --> 00:25:24,190 was being filled and what effect that would have. 465 00:25:24,273 --> 00:25:26,859 They send us their cars, their VCRs, 466 00:25:26,943 --> 00:25:28,945 and just about everything else. 467 00:25:29,028 --> 00:25:32,532 Their success makes them money, not necessarily friends. 468 00:25:32,615 --> 00:25:34,992 The Japanese have a big public relations problem 469 00:25:35,076 --> 00:25:37,119 in America and big problems 470 00:25:37,203 --> 00:25:40,873 require big solutions. 471 00:25:40,957 --> 00:25:43,084 Big, how's this for big? 472 00:25:43,167 --> 00:25:46,212 Japan's newest export, Sumo wrestlers. 473 00:25:46,295 --> 00:25:50,007 The Japanese have just sent America several tons of sumos, 474 00:25:50,091 --> 00:25:53,427 a good will tour to improve Japan's image in this country 475 00:25:53,511 --> 00:25:56,722 and just possibly to take our minds off the trade deficit. 476 00:25:56,806 --> 00:25:59,725 Since the first of the year, a new law allows German citizens 477 00:25:59,809 --> 00:26:01,978 free access to secret files kept on them 478 00:26:02,061 --> 00:26:04,605 by the former East German Secret Police. 479 00:26:04,689 --> 00:26:06,858 For decades, the police, known as Stasi, 480 00:26:06,941 --> 00:26:08,442 spied on thousands of Germans. 481 00:26:08,526 --> 00:26:10,152 The East German Secret Police had 482 00:26:10,236 --> 00:26:13,155 an extraordinarily efficient spy apparatus, 483 00:26:13,239 --> 00:26:16,867 collecting information on an estimated six million people. 484 00:26:16,951 --> 00:26:19,745 The law not only gives victims access to their files, 485 00:26:19,829 --> 00:26:21,497 but lets them see the names 486 00:26:21,581 --> 00:26:23,332 of those who spied against them. 487 00:26:23,416 --> 00:26:25,668 Truthfulness will not cushion the pain 488 00:26:25,751 --> 00:26:29,130 as East Germans discover just who spied on whom, 489 00:26:29,213 --> 00:26:32,300 including friends, neighbors, and even family. 490 00:26:32,383 --> 00:26:36,387 She was obsessed with the mediation of media, you know, 491 00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:40,641 how media reflects a society back to itself. 492 00:26:40,725 --> 00:26:42,893 Exploitation of tearful widows, 493 00:26:42,977 --> 00:26:45,271 cases of blatant sensationalism, 494 00:26:45,354 --> 00:26:47,857 and the manipulation of the press by politicians. 495 00:26:47,940 --> 00:26:50,318 And although accusing the press of looking bad 496 00:26:50,401 --> 00:26:52,069 may seem to be fashionable, 497 00:26:52,153 --> 00:26:54,822 Chancellor says it doesn't square with the facts. 498 00:26:54,905 --> 00:26:56,699 The polling data that I have seen 499 00:26:56,782 --> 00:26:58,993 and the people I've talked to around the country 500 00:26:59,076 --> 00:27:01,829 show that those of us who are in it are far more worried 501 00:27:01,912 --> 00:27:04,790 about its credibility than those who see it or read it. 502 00:27:04,874 --> 00:27:07,501 The public is fairly content with the journalism 503 00:27:07,585 --> 00:27:09,295 it's getting in America today. 504 00:27:09,378 --> 00:27:10,921 I was thinking, 505 00:27:11,005 --> 00:27:14,467 what's the purpose of continually taping, 506 00:27:14,550 --> 00:27:17,386 but I didn't ask her about it. 507 00:27:17,470 --> 00:27:20,514 I think it was for the betterment of mankind. 508 00:27:20,598 --> 00:27:23,893 ♪ 509 00:27:23,976 --> 00:27:27,063 They are coming essentially out of the same background 510 00:27:27,146 --> 00:27:29,482 and have pretty much the same biases 511 00:27:29,565 --> 00:27:32,735 and stereotypes and approaches to life that you have. 512 00:27:32,818 --> 00:27:35,738 You talk among yourselves in a technical language 513 00:27:35,821 --> 00:27:38,658 which is to exclude the rest of us from being able 514 00:27:38,741 --> 00:27:41,994 to evaluate, in terms of reality, our lives. 515 00:27:42,078 --> 00:27:43,913 You need, you need to deal with people 516 00:27:43,996 --> 00:27:48,084 who are living a different reality than yours. 517 00:27:48,167 --> 00:27:50,044 It seemed like she was always interested 518 00:27:50,127 --> 00:27:52,171 in getting different people together 519 00:27:52,254 --> 00:27:55,633 and having them live together peaceably. 520 00:27:55,716 --> 00:27:57,051 John and Marion were working on 521 00:27:57,134 --> 00:28:00,054 this "Input" TV series together. 522 00:28:00,137 --> 00:28:02,515 And I guess they just bonded. 523 00:28:02,598 --> 00:28:04,558 To have a confrontation, let's say, Jewish/Christian, 524 00:28:04,642 --> 00:28:07,353 or Black/White, or youth/adult, 525 00:28:07,436 --> 00:28:10,690 whichever the course is, they, too, come together 526 00:28:10,773 --> 00:28:14,527 as communities prepared to hear honestly 527 00:28:14,610 --> 00:28:16,487 what they don't normally hear. 528 00:28:16,570 --> 00:28:20,908 So that this concept of really opening yourself is, uh, 529 00:28:20,991 --> 00:28:23,911 what I am attempting to, uh, help develop here. 530 00:28:23,994 --> 00:28:26,122 ♪ 531 00:28:26,205 --> 00:28:30,459 My father and Marion were producers on the shows. 532 00:28:30,543 --> 00:28:35,840 I completely believe they were really fighting for justice 533 00:28:35,923 --> 00:28:39,385 and freedom and that they each, 534 00:28:39,468 --> 00:28:41,762 in their own way, were really committed to that. 535 00:28:41,846 --> 00:28:45,474 Any conceptual prejudice or any misinformation 536 00:28:45,558 --> 00:28:48,936 which may exist can be gotten out on the table. 537 00:28:49,019 --> 00:28:52,773 And when it's examined in this, uh, spirit of affirmation, 538 00:28:52,857 --> 00:28:56,110 even if the affirmation's only coming, let's say, one way, 539 00:28:56,193 --> 00:28:59,363 the belief is that somehow this can be deflated and looked at 540 00:28:59,447 --> 00:29:03,200 so that the goodness begins to bubble through. 541 00:29:03,284 --> 00:29:06,036 I was kind of intrigued by him, to say the least. 542 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:07,788 You know, I was this guy from the street corner 543 00:29:07,872 --> 00:29:11,542 and this is this rich guy in Chestnut Hill. 544 00:29:11,625 --> 00:29:12,918 I knew that he didn't work, 545 00:29:13,002 --> 00:29:15,004 'cause he was always around in the daytime. 546 00:29:15,087 --> 00:29:17,923 So I said, this guy is too rich to work. 547 00:29:18,007 --> 00:29:20,176 John wanted something organized. 548 00:29:20,259 --> 00:29:23,721 It was real '60ts type of thing and we'd hang out together. 549 00:29:23,804 --> 00:29:26,515 He would pick a topic and then we would discuss it. 550 00:29:26,599 --> 00:29:28,100 His quest was always, 551 00:29:28,184 --> 00:29:29,935 how are we gonna change the structure? 552 00:29:30,019 --> 00:29:32,688 This phoniness, this, this role playing, 553 00:29:32,772 --> 00:29:35,608 this not getting through to each other, this creating images 554 00:29:35,691 --> 00:29:38,277 for each other and all this type of thing has got to go. 555 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,112 I was the rabble rouser. 556 00:29:40,196 --> 00:29:41,947 And I realized he was trying to do the same things 557 00:29:42,031 --> 00:29:44,241 I was trying to do. 558 00:29:44,325 --> 00:29:47,912 Marion had that same goal. 559 00:29:47,995 --> 00:29:51,373 I respect a person who will deal with, with-- 560 00:29:51,457 --> 00:29:54,835 With my ideas or with the situation, 561 00:29:54,919 --> 00:29:57,296 the reality of the situation. 562 00:29:57,379 --> 00:29:59,507 Not, not my credentials 563 00:29:59,590 --> 00:30:01,634 that I use the feminine wiles 564 00:30:01,717 --> 00:30:03,385 or that I say it the right way. 565 00:30:03,469 --> 00:30:05,471 You see, that's what's wrong with black folks. 566 00:30:05,554 --> 00:30:07,014 We don't say it the right way. 567 00:30:07,097 --> 00:30:08,891 If we just did, everything would be all right. 568 00:30:08,974 --> 00:30:11,644 And if women would just, you know, uh, uh, 569 00:30:11,727 --> 00:30:14,980 say it politely and make them think it's their idea and so on, 570 00:30:15,064 --> 00:30:16,440 then there wouldn't be all this trouble. 571 00:30:16,524 --> 00:30:18,150 And why are we now rocking the boat? 572 00:30:18,234 --> 00:30:19,693 - I think-- - I think we can't deal with it. 573 00:30:19,777 --> 00:30:22,738 Well, I don't accept that totally in that-- 574 00:30:22,822 --> 00:30:24,240 They were talking about process. 575 00:30:24,323 --> 00:30:25,991 And my mother said, "If I'm in charge, 576 00:30:26,075 --> 00:30:28,369 everybody can be equal," 577 00:30:28,452 --> 00:30:30,871 which is the kind of thing that you might expect 578 00:30:30,955 --> 00:30:33,707 from someone transitioning out of the Communist Party. 579 00:30:33,791 --> 00:30:37,169 You talked about, about faith in the democratic process. 580 00:30:37,253 --> 00:30:40,339 You know, when people are killed on the courthouse steps, 581 00:30:40,422 --> 00:30:43,300 you know, for going up to register to vote, 582 00:30:43,384 --> 00:30:46,011 now, how can you expect 583 00:30:46,095 --> 00:30:48,055 black people to have faith in the democratic process? 584 00:30:48,138 --> 00:30:50,015 If you want us to have faith in the democratic process, 585 00:30:50,099 --> 00:30:51,642 - make it work. - See, I'm with you. 586 00:30:51,725 --> 00:30:53,018 It's your process, make it work. 587 00:30:53,102 --> 00:30:54,937 See, I'm with you, all of us together. 588 00:30:55,020 --> 00:30:56,564 Not I make it work, but will you join me? 589 00:30:56,647 --> 00:30:58,190 - No, you make it work. - Will you join me? 590 00:30:58,274 --> 00:30:59,775 You keep me out of your institutions, 591 00:30:59,859 --> 00:31:01,360 - therefore you--no, you have... - I should keep you out? 592 00:31:01,443 --> 00:31:03,320 ...kept me out of your institutions, your institutions 593 00:31:03,404 --> 00:31:05,155 - are what run this country. - But if we are opening the door 594 00:31:05,239 --> 00:31:06,949 and saying, come, let's sit down and talk and reason together... 595 00:31:07,032 --> 00:31:08,993 - Make your process work first. - ...as Johnson always says. 596 00:31:09,076 --> 00:31:10,077 - And then... - You don't want to come in 597 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:11,453 and reason together? 598 00:31:11,537 --> 00:31:13,539 You don't want me in there. 599 00:31:13,622 --> 00:31:15,249 See, you're only talking as you, as an individual. 600 00:31:15,332 --> 00:31:17,585 Marion was a very intelligent, very sharp, 601 00:31:17,668 --> 00:31:21,046 very determined person to get her points across. 602 00:31:21,130 --> 00:31:23,632 I think John was attracted to that. 603 00:31:26,510 --> 00:31:27,970 I think a lot of it had to do 604 00:31:28,053 --> 00:31:31,473 with them having very similar ideals. 605 00:31:31,557 --> 00:31:36,020 And my mother really wasn't into social issues. 606 00:31:36,103 --> 00:31:39,690 She was an artist, she cared about how things looked. 607 00:31:39,773 --> 00:31:44,403 And she was not a deeply spiritual person at all. 608 00:31:44,486 --> 00:31:46,488 Unfortunately, I think my mother felt 609 00:31:46,572 --> 00:31:49,074 very accused by him 610 00:31:49,158 --> 00:31:52,077 and I think that really distressed my mom a lot. 611 00:31:52,161 --> 00:31:54,079 ♪ 612 00:31:54,163 --> 00:31:56,248 I'm trying to make a positive input in society 613 00:31:56,332 --> 00:31:59,668 instead of hanging on some set of norms that are prevailing. 614 00:31:59,752 --> 00:32:02,922 What is the key to building 615 00:32:03,005 --> 00:32:06,091 a type of way of communicating and working together so we-- 616 00:32:06,175 --> 00:32:09,595 I think he knew he thought very differently about things 617 00:32:09,678 --> 00:32:12,473 and wasn't interested in 618 00:32:12,556 --> 00:32:16,268 his social class particularly. 619 00:32:16,352 --> 00:32:20,731 He had strong philosophical convictions. 620 00:32:20,814 --> 00:32:23,233 The awakening of individuals as to who they are-- 621 00:32:23,317 --> 00:32:25,361 What their identity is, how they define themselves, 622 00:32:25,444 --> 00:32:26,820 whether as a member of a white group 623 00:32:26,904 --> 00:32:28,739 or black group, Jewish, Christian. 624 00:32:28,822 --> 00:32:31,617 Everyone is saying, "I'm trying to find out who I am." 625 00:32:31,700 --> 00:32:33,994 - Well justified. - One said, John, uh-- 626 00:32:34,078 --> 00:32:36,538 The working relationship and, eventually, the romance 627 00:32:36,622 --> 00:32:38,457 between these people from different backgrounds 628 00:32:38,540 --> 00:32:41,919 really puzzled people. 629 00:32:42,002 --> 00:32:43,796 My impression is that the two of them never 630 00:32:43,879 --> 00:32:45,547 really felt understood by other people 631 00:32:45,631 --> 00:32:47,800 until they really met each other. 632 00:32:47,883 --> 00:32:51,053 ♪ 633 00:32:51,136 --> 00:32:54,139 I knew that he had a family. 634 00:32:54,223 --> 00:32:56,475 I remember, you know, seeing him at our house. 635 00:32:56,558 --> 00:33:01,313 ♪ 636 00:33:01,397 --> 00:33:04,733 I think that I understood something's going on. 637 00:33:04,817 --> 00:33:09,238 You know as a 10, 11-year-old, I kind of wasn't welcome. 638 00:33:09,321 --> 00:33:13,075 ♪ 639 00:33:13,158 --> 00:33:16,245 I'd been through college and was living back at home. 640 00:33:16,328 --> 00:33:20,833 And I remember coming into the kitchen 641 00:33:20,916 --> 00:33:24,753 and he was almost at the door 642 00:33:24,837 --> 00:33:27,089 with a suitcase. 643 00:33:27,172 --> 00:33:30,175 And I said, "How long is this for?" 644 00:33:30,259 --> 00:33:32,136 I mean, at this point I was 17. 645 00:33:32,219 --> 00:33:34,555 Um, "How long is this for?" 646 00:33:34,638 --> 00:33:37,391 And he said, "Well, um, I'm not really sure." 647 00:33:37,474 --> 00:33:41,854 ♪ 648 00:33:41,937 --> 00:33:46,150 I was able to get horoscopes of two people who I knew 649 00:33:46,233 --> 00:33:48,235 who, uh, let's say were very much in love 650 00:33:48,318 --> 00:33:50,654 or were collaborating together very closely. 651 00:33:50,738 --> 00:33:52,281 And I was astounded 652 00:33:52,364 --> 00:33:54,908 when these two charts were superimposed 653 00:33:54,992 --> 00:33:58,537 that here were these very-- about eight planets 654 00:33:58,620 --> 00:34:02,374 were in close correlation or conjunction. 655 00:34:02,458 --> 00:34:05,794 ♪ 656 00:34:05,878 --> 00:34:08,297 There's a certain point where even-- 657 00:34:08,380 --> 00:34:10,883 even I'm gonna get it 658 00:34:10,966 --> 00:34:12,968 and, uh, I think I got it. 659 00:34:19,808 --> 00:34:22,352 I guess you could call it the pre-marriage honeymoon. 660 00:34:22,436 --> 00:34:24,605 ♪ 661 00:34:24,688 --> 00:34:26,356 We spent quite a bit of time in London 662 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,234 and then we spent at least a few days in Paris. 663 00:34:29,318 --> 00:34:44,541 ♪ 664 00:34:44,625 --> 00:34:47,294 As a librarian, she'd kind of seen pictures 665 00:34:47,377 --> 00:34:51,131 of all this stuff and kind of knew a lot about it. 666 00:34:51,215 --> 00:34:53,467 It was just an amazing thing. 667 00:34:53,550 --> 00:34:57,596 ♪ 668 00:34:57,679 --> 00:35:00,766 It was a shift. 669 00:35:00,849 --> 00:35:03,852 I understood that we probably weren't gonna have to heat 670 00:35:03,936 --> 00:35:06,855 the house with gas from the stove anymore. 671 00:35:06,939 --> 00:35:13,278 ♪ 672 00:35:13,362 --> 00:35:14,905 I certainly looked on him, you know, 673 00:35:14,988 --> 00:35:16,740 as a bit of a role model. 674 00:35:16,824 --> 00:35:20,285 ♪ 675 00:35:20,369 --> 00:35:23,413 They were married in New Hope, Pennsylvania, 676 00:35:23,497 --> 00:35:24,915 two days after I turned thirteen. 677 00:35:24,998 --> 00:35:27,292 ♪ 678 00:35:27,376 --> 00:35:28,794 A lot of John's family was there, that was 679 00:35:28,877 --> 00:35:31,004 the first time I met his children. 680 00:35:31,088 --> 00:35:33,006 ♪ 681 00:35:33,090 --> 00:35:36,009 I could see how happy my father was with Marion. 682 00:35:36,093 --> 00:35:38,262 ♪ 683 00:35:38,345 --> 00:35:40,931 It was pretty overwhelming. 684 00:35:41,014 --> 00:35:44,643 ♪ 685 00:35:44,726 --> 00:35:48,272 Each of them accepted their personality quirks, 686 00:35:48,355 --> 00:35:50,983 their intensity and intellect 687 00:35:51,066 --> 00:35:52,901 at a level that neither of them, I think, 688 00:35:52,985 --> 00:35:55,654 had really felt before. 689 00:35:55,737 --> 00:35:59,825 Her relationship to John was 690 00:35:59,908 --> 00:36:02,828 one of the most deeply satisfying things in her life. 691 00:36:02,911 --> 00:36:05,330 ♪ 692 00:36:12,671 --> 00:36:23,098 ♪ 693 00:36:25,684 --> 00:36:30,397 ♪ 694 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,567 Turn on the machine, 695 00:36:33,650 --> 00:36:36,153 pour in almost all the water, and then go, 696 00:36:36,236 --> 00:36:38,363 pump, pump, pump. 697 00:36:38,447 --> 00:36:40,199 This now is a tape 698 00:36:40,282 --> 00:36:42,951 of yesterday afternoon's shooting, the assailant 699 00:36:43,035 --> 00:36:45,579 now held to the ground-- the President, who was 700 00:36:45,662 --> 00:36:47,331 immediately pushed into the car. 701 00:36:47,414 --> 00:36:49,333 I knew that they recorded things sometimes. 702 00:36:49,416 --> 00:36:51,877 - 24 hours a day, relax-- - But I didn't have any sense of 703 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,378 - it being a specific project. - NBC News Team. 704 00:36:53,462 --> 00:36:54,713 Experience you can trust. 705 00:36:54,796 --> 00:36:56,381 This is CBS. 706 00:36:56,465 --> 00:36:58,508 Each evening, Monday through Friday on-- 707 00:36:58,592 --> 00:37:00,010 This is CBS. 708 00:37:00,093 --> 00:37:04,431 Twenty-four hour feeds were CNN, FOX, MSNBC. 709 00:37:04,514 --> 00:37:06,767 Then I would put in an eight-hour tape. 710 00:37:06,850 --> 00:37:09,394 Marion controlled certain of the VCRs, 711 00:37:09,478 --> 00:37:12,439 selectively changing station to station. 712 00:37:12,522 --> 00:37:15,275 She was creating a library at home. 713 00:37:15,359 --> 00:37:19,363 And she often talked about buying another property 714 00:37:19,446 --> 00:37:22,783 that she could put her whole library in. 715 00:37:22,866 --> 00:37:25,452 Imagine being able to go to a reference source 716 00:37:25,535 --> 00:37:27,204 where you can actually see and hear. 717 00:37:27,287 --> 00:37:30,874 ♪ Come feel the excitement ♪ 718 00:37:30,958 --> 00:37:33,710 ♪ Of who, what, where, why ♪ 719 00:37:33,794 --> 00:37:36,421 ♪ Open Britannica ♪ 720 00:37:36,505 --> 00:37:38,048 That sense of kind of stewarding a whole 721 00:37:38,131 --> 00:37:39,841 lot of knowledge and actually being able 722 00:37:39,925 --> 00:37:41,301 to give it to people struck 723 00:37:41,385 --> 00:37:43,303 her sort of democratic sensibilities. 724 00:37:43,387 --> 00:37:45,305 ♪ 725 00:37:45,389 --> 00:37:48,100 In Afghanistan, increasing numbers of refugees 726 00:37:48,183 --> 00:37:50,310 continue crossing the border into Pakistan. 727 00:37:50,394 --> 00:37:51,979 The flow of refugees arrive 728 00:37:52,062 --> 00:37:53,855 at the rate of about 400 a day 729 00:37:53,939 --> 00:37:56,108 in camps set up by the Pakistan government 730 00:37:56,191 --> 00:37:58,318 - some distance from the border. - The New York City 731 00:37:58,402 --> 00:38:00,487 Transit Worker's strike is into its fourth day. 732 00:38:02,656 --> 00:38:05,617 Yes, despite all kinds of traffic jams-- 733 00:38:05,701 --> 00:38:08,870 - Somebody do something! - New Yorkers have not allowed 734 00:38:08,954 --> 00:38:11,790 the strike to change their usual disposition. 735 00:38:11,873 --> 00:38:14,584 - This air stinks. - It stinks. 736 00:38:14,668 --> 00:38:16,878 Don't bother me, why don't you do something constructive? 737 00:38:19,381 --> 00:38:22,342 It's been two years since the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, 738 00:38:22,426 --> 00:38:24,428 and today a State Department report said the Soviets 739 00:38:24,511 --> 00:38:28,056 seemed bogged down in a Vietnam-like no-win situation. 740 00:38:28,140 --> 00:38:30,892 Terrorism in Lebanon and in this country, 741 00:38:30,976 --> 00:38:33,353 and what, if anything, can be done about it? 742 00:38:33,437 --> 00:38:36,606 It's an embassy in Kuwait, a department store in London, 743 00:38:36,690 --> 00:38:40,277 and overall the fear that maybe it could happen here. 744 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:41,987 Ted Turner has announced that his company, 745 00:38:42,070 --> 00:38:44,197 Turner Broadcasting System, is putting up 746 00:38:44,281 --> 00:38:46,033 a half-million dollars to help finance 747 00:38:46,116 --> 00:38:47,909 television programs without regard 748 00:38:47,993 --> 00:38:50,245 to national origins or politics. 749 00:38:50,329 --> 00:38:52,456 Turner's political beliefs were questioned. 750 00:38:52,539 --> 00:38:54,958 First of all, I don't think these issues, in my opinion, 751 00:38:55,042 --> 00:38:56,668 these are not right or left 752 00:38:56,752 --> 00:38:58,628 or conservative or liberal issues. 753 00:38:58,712 --> 00:39:02,049 These are-- issues that affect everyone. 754 00:39:02,132 --> 00:39:05,635 ♪ We thank you Lord ♪ 755 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,471 Civil rights and women's groups 756 00:39:07,554 --> 00:39:09,973 rallied over the weekend in Pickens County, Alabama, 757 00:39:10,057 --> 00:39:12,893 on behalf of two local black activists who are likely to be 758 00:39:12,976 --> 00:39:15,562 sent to prison today for voting fraud. 759 00:39:15,645 --> 00:39:17,564 Sixty-nine-year-old Julia Wilder, 760 00:39:17,647 --> 00:39:19,733 President of the Pickens Voters League 761 00:39:19,816 --> 00:39:21,651 and fifty-one-year-old Maggie Bozeman, 762 00:39:21,735 --> 00:39:24,071 President of a local NAACP. 763 00:39:24,154 --> 00:39:26,573 I would not have been trying to help people 764 00:39:26,656 --> 00:39:28,492 had they been able to do it for themselves, 765 00:39:28,575 --> 00:39:30,702 but we have a lot of illiterate people here 766 00:39:30,786 --> 00:39:32,329 that don't understand. 767 00:39:32,412 --> 00:39:35,582 And I had been doing absentees for them for years 768 00:39:35,665 --> 00:39:37,793 and still gonna plan to do it, you know. 769 00:39:37,876 --> 00:39:40,837 What's wrong with the journey from log cabin to White House 770 00:39:40,921 --> 00:39:43,507 and what's wrong with the journey from peanut planter 771 00:39:43,590 --> 00:39:45,342 to the president if it is within the law? 772 00:39:45,425 --> 00:39:48,053 The Constitution provides if you're 35 years of age 773 00:39:48,136 --> 00:39:50,180 or older and an American citizen 774 00:39:50,263 --> 00:39:51,890 and you can convince the American electoral 775 00:39:51,973 --> 00:39:54,976 to vote for you, that is the Constitutional provision. 776 00:39:55,060 --> 00:39:59,022 Computer technology has expanded at an astonishing rate. 777 00:39:59,106 --> 00:40:02,818 It helps check out your food and process your income taxes. 778 00:40:02,901 --> 00:40:05,737 ♪ 779 00:40:05,821 --> 00:40:08,156 Like computer music, computer art is 780 00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:10,283 just beginning to be explored. 781 00:40:10,367 --> 00:40:11,827 But there are limits. 782 00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:14,413 A computer does not have a mind of its own. 783 00:40:14,496 --> 00:40:17,541 A computer does not have a mind of its own. 784 00:40:17,624 --> 00:40:20,669 A computer does not have a mind of its own. 785 00:40:29,678 --> 00:40:31,304 The day the Macintosh computer was announced 786 00:40:31,388 --> 00:40:34,141 was a really big deal for my mother. 787 00:40:34,224 --> 00:40:36,977 I remember her like, calling me 'round to the house 788 00:40:37,060 --> 00:40:39,604 to watch the commercial as it was aired. 789 00:40:39,688 --> 00:40:43,483 "I want to see it and I want you to see it." 790 00:40:43,567 --> 00:40:47,320 Today, we celebrate the first glorious anniversary 791 00:40:47,404 --> 00:40:50,407 of the Information Purification Directives. 792 00:40:50,490 --> 00:40:53,660 - We have created-- - Secure from the pests 793 00:40:53,743 --> 00:40:56,913 purveying contradictory truths. 794 00:40:56,997 --> 00:41:00,083 Our unification of thoughts is more powerful a weapon 795 00:41:00,167 --> 00:41:02,669 than any fleet or army on Earth. 796 00:41:02,752 --> 00:41:04,921 They shall talk themselves to death, 797 00:41:05,005 --> 00:41:08,341 and we will bury them with their own confusion. 798 00:41:08,425 --> 00:41:12,262 We shall prevail. 799 00:41:14,973 --> 00:41:17,517 On January 24th, Apple Computer 800 00:41:17,601 --> 00:41:19,936 will introduce Macintosh. 801 00:41:20,020 --> 00:41:22,314 And you'll see why 1984 802 00:41:22,397 --> 00:41:25,942 won't be like "1984". 803 00:41:26,026 --> 00:41:28,528 ♪ 804 00:41:28,612 --> 00:41:30,655 My mother was a huge fan of technology 805 00:41:30,739 --> 00:41:34,159 as a way of unlocking people's potential. 806 00:41:34,242 --> 00:41:37,162 Now with Wang's new integrated information system, 807 00:41:37,245 --> 00:41:40,624 one person very simply can perform data processing, 808 00:41:40,707 --> 00:41:42,584 word processing. 809 00:41:42,667 --> 00:41:44,753 Since mid-1970s, she'd started 810 00:41:44,836 --> 00:41:47,464 collecting VIC-20s and Commodore 64s. 811 00:41:47,547 --> 00:41:49,799 Who knows what the future holds. 812 00:41:49,883 --> 00:41:51,635 And she was looking for a type 813 00:41:51,718 --> 00:41:53,512 of computer that would be easy to use. 814 00:41:53,595 --> 00:41:56,348 And Macintosh is saying, here is a way to make 815 00:41:56,431 --> 00:41:58,016 personal computers available to the rest of us. 816 00:41:58,099 --> 00:42:00,435 - We don't want to be-- - Apple enhanced human freedom. 817 00:42:00,519 --> 00:42:03,271 Apple enhanced people's creativity. 818 00:42:03,355 --> 00:42:05,941 Apple was her baby. 819 00:42:06,024 --> 00:42:07,609 She had an incredible ability 820 00:42:07,692 --> 00:42:10,695 to recognize shifts in media and technology, 821 00:42:10,779 --> 00:42:13,698 and she reacted to them. 822 00:42:13,782 --> 00:42:16,743 She became an evangelist for Apple. 823 00:42:16,826 --> 00:42:19,538 She bought enormous amounts of their technology. 824 00:42:19,621 --> 00:42:23,041 The first thing she did give me was an Apple computer. 825 00:42:23,124 --> 00:42:25,752 She was very interested in us using it 826 00:42:25,835 --> 00:42:28,004 and then coming back and telling her 827 00:42:28,088 --> 00:42:30,507 what we learned, or what, you know, 828 00:42:30,590 --> 00:42:32,801 she could learn from it. 829 00:42:32,884 --> 00:42:34,219 She had multiple versions 830 00:42:34,302 --> 00:42:36,680 of every Apple product ever released. 831 00:42:36,763 --> 00:42:39,224 Well, Ted, Apple Computer says it expects profit margins 832 00:42:39,307 --> 00:42:41,768 of twenty percent or better in the coming quarter. 833 00:42:41,851 --> 00:42:43,687 She really urged the family trust 834 00:42:43,770 --> 00:42:47,399 to invest in Apple early on. 835 00:42:47,482 --> 00:42:51,987 I think her first purchases were at about $7 a share. 836 00:42:52,070 --> 00:42:53,738 And she'd insist they hold Apple stock 837 00:42:53,822 --> 00:42:56,908 in an unwieldy large, discreet holding, 838 00:42:56,992 --> 00:43:00,537 and it went up significantly. 839 00:43:00,620 --> 00:43:02,539 It definitely increased both the family wealth 840 00:43:02,622 --> 00:43:06,167 and her personal wealth. 841 00:43:06,251 --> 00:43:09,004 "Here's to the crazy ones, 842 00:43:09,087 --> 00:43:14,175 the misfits, the rebels, troublemakers, 843 00:43:14,259 --> 00:43:17,387 the round pegs in the square holes, 844 00:43:17,470 --> 00:43:19,806 the ones who see things differently." 845 00:43:23,435 --> 00:43:26,771 She was very much into Steve Jobs. 846 00:43:26,855 --> 00:43:29,691 Mike will often joke that Steve was her-- 847 00:43:29,774 --> 00:43:30,859 one of her other sons 848 00:43:30,942 --> 00:43:33,945 that she had other than just Michael. 849 00:43:34,029 --> 00:43:36,114 I remember when Steve Jobs died, 850 00:43:36,197 --> 00:43:37,866 the next time I talked to her she said, "I'm surprised you 851 00:43:37,949 --> 00:43:39,909 didn't call when Steve died." 852 00:43:39,993 --> 00:43:42,871 And I was like-- 853 00:43:42,954 --> 00:43:45,999 She really, really identified with Steve Jobs 854 00:43:46,082 --> 00:43:47,917 at a very early age, realizing that he was 855 00:43:48,001 --> 00:43:50,128 a lot more intelligent than a lot of people around him 856 00:43:50,211 --> 00:43:53,298 and be incredibly hard on people. 857 00:43:53,381 --> 00:43:57,510 And Steve Jobs' story of being adopted, 858 00:43:57,594 --> 00:44:00,722 those things really resonated with my mother. 859 00:44:00,805 --> 00:44:04,934 ♪ 860 00:44:05,018 --> 00:44:07,729 The route that we took every day was identical. 861 00:44:07,812 --> 00:44:09,981 But on that particular day, 862 00:44:10,065 --> 00:44:13,068 she decided to come home via Germantown Avenue 863 00:44:13,151 --> 00:44:16,154 and she wanted to go and see her old home. 864 00:44:16,237 --> 00:44:21,701 ♪ 865 00:44:21,785 --> 00:44:27,082 We talked about an extraordinary subject, 866 00:44:27,165 --> 00:44:29,000 and that was her youth. 867 00:44:29,084 --> 00:44:33,630 ♪ 868 00:44:33,713 --> 00:44:36,424 I discovered her early life 869 00:44:36,508 --> 00:44:39,260 had been very similar to mine. 870 00:44:39,344 --> 00:44:41,054 We were both adopted. 871 00:44:41,137 --> 00:44:47,727 ♪ 872 00:44:47,811 --> 00:44:50,730 My mother was born in Philadelphia in 1929 873 00:44:50,814 --> 00:44:53,608 so just after the crash. 874 00:44:53,692 --> 00:44:55,610 She was informally adopted. 875 00:44:55,694 --> 00:44:59,239 Her mother gave her up ostensibly for economic reasons. 876 00:44:59,322 --> 00:45:01,825 But I think my mother tracked her down and found out 877 00:45:01,908 --> 00:45:04,411 that she had raised subsequent children, 878 00:45:04,494 --> 00:45:06,705 so she felt very betrayed by that. 879 00:45:06,788 --> 00:45:08,832 ♪ 880 00:45:08,915 --> 00:45:10,500 She had a very turbulent childhood, you know, 881 00:45:10,583 --> 00:45:13,837 just being passed from family to family. 882 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,423 I think that, that early sense of abandonment 883 00:45:16,506 --> 00:45:19,134 and betrayal really kind of set a lot of my mother's attitudes 884 00:45:19,217 --> 00:45:20,719 toward other people. 885 00:45:20,802 --> 00:45:24,055 ♪ 886 00:45:24,139 --> 00:45:27,225 Me being a foster child, we had that in common, too. 887 00:45:27,308 --> 00:45:29,936 ♪ 888 00:45:30,019 --> 00:45:33,189 Me and Richard, we were able to accept it 889 00:45:33,273 --> 00:45:36,943 and be more positive about it. 890 00:45:37,026 --> 00:45:39,821 But she still held those, you know, 891 00:45:39,904 --> 00:45:42,615 hard to her heart as far as her mother, 892 00:45:42,699 --> 00:45:45,744 and I feel as though that hindered her life. 893 00:45:45,827 --> 00:45:48,747 It really did. 894 00:45:48,830 --> 00:45:52,167 She had, I think, heightened and unrealistic standards 895 00:45:52,250 --> 00:45:55,754 for how family should behave with each other. 896 00:45:59,507 --> 00:46:04,387 Three, two, one, and lift off! 897 00:46:04,471 --> 00:46:09,058 Lift off, and it has cleared the tower. 898 00:46:09,142 --> 00:46:12,145 I think maybe initially she made efforts. 899 00:46:14,981 --> 00:46:18,902 I mean I would visit some and she was friendly, 900 00:46:18,985 --> 00:46:21,946 but it definitely felt like a barrier to my father. 901 00:46:22,030 --> 00:46:25,200 ♪ 902 00:46:25,283 --> 00:46:29,579 I believe she was seeing it as competing with her. 903 00:46:29,662 --> 00:46:31,289 They wanted to do everything together. 904 00:46:31,372 --> 00:46:34,375 Everything had to be together. 905 00:46:34,459 --> 00:46:36,211 I remember her saying, "Oh, you know, 906 00:46:36,294 --> 00:46:40,381 we probably think of her as the evil step-mother." 907 00:46:40,465 --> 00:46:44,469 Well, we didn't, but in some ways we did. 908 00:46:44,552 --> 00:46:48,056 There was no sense of sort of being a family with them, 909 00:46:48,139 --> 00:46:50,934 because we weren't allowed to talk about other family members. 910 00:46:51,017 --> 00:46:53,645 That was considered gossip. 911 00:46:53,728 --> 00:46:57,482 Gossip usually affirms some sort of a norm 912 00:46:57,565 --> 00:46:59,943 that is a complicity between the two people 913 00:47:00,026 --> 00:47:03,154 that are gossiping as to the way people should be 914 00:47:03,238 --> 00:47:05,949 and this other person somehow is different. 915 00:47:06,032 --> 00:47:08,201 And who decides what's normal, and I think maybe 916 00:47:08,284 --> 00:47:10,912 a reexamination of what is normal is, 917 00:47:10,995 --> 00:47:12,539 is in order at this point, 918 00:47:12,622 --> 00:47:15,291 because what's normal is gonna be what we've, uh, 919 00:47:15,375 --> 00:47:16,543 - been taught or accepted. - Accepted. 920 00:47:16,626 --> 00:47:18,753 The word dogmatic comes to mind. 921 00:47:18,837 --> 00:47:22,507 If I would disagree with her, I'd get blasted. 922 00:47:22,590 --> 00:47:25,677 And Michael said, basically, she was like that, too. 923 00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,097 ♪ 924 00:47:29,180 --> 00:47:31,474 My mother was, as someone who would tape things 925 00:47:31,558 --> 00:47:34,435 and kept things, she was absolutely concerned 926 00:47:34,519 --> 00:47:37,522 that everyone agreed on the accurate details 927 00:47:37,605 --> 00:47:41,109 of what had happened. 928 00:47:41,192 --> 00:47:44,237 We would have a six-hour argument with her. 929 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,739 I mean, literally six hours. 930 00:47:48,908 --> 00:47:50,994 Obviously, I found it difficult. 931 00:47:54,873 --> 00:47:57,667 It was a long point of contention between her and me 932 00:47:57,750 --> 00:48:00,628 about my boringly conventional 933 00:48:00,712 --> 00:48:02,839 intellect compared to her, 934 00:48:02,922 --> 00:48:04,674 which I think is probably accurate. 935 00:48:04,757 --> 00:48:07,176 ♪ 936 00:48:07,260 --> 00:48:10,346 What she wanted was bold thinking, autodidactic, 937 00:48:10,430 --> 00:48:11,931 and really outside the mainstream. 938 00:48:12,015 --> 00:48:14,392 ♪ 939 00:48:14,475 --> 00:48:18,479 You know, I just got completely fed up with being controlled, 940 00:48:18,563 --> 00:48:21,065 being, in a lot of ways, talked down to. 941 00:48:21,149 --> 00:48:24,360 You know, my mother, um, really could-- 942 00:48:24,444 --> 00:48:26,529 could quite be very cruel if she thought you weren't 943 00:48:26,613 --> 00:48:30,700 kind of intellectually up to the--up to her standard. 944 00:48:30,783 --> 00:48:34,120 It was kind of like a two-day argument going on 945 00:48:34,203 --> 00:48:37,332 and I just remember storming out of a couple of rooms. 946 00:48:37,415 --> 00:48:39,042 And my mother said, "Well, nice to have known you." 947 00:48:39,125 --> 00:48:42,045 ♪ 948 00:48:42,128 --> 00:48:44,505 And we just didn't talk a whole lot, 949 00:48:44,589 --> 00:48:48,885 uh, for a long, long, long time. 950 00:48:48,968 --> 00:48:51,721 One of Mr. Reagan's nominees is in trouble in Washington, 951 00:48:51,804 --> 00:48:53,932 in trouble for saying that the NAACP 952 00:48:54,015 --> 00:48:55,850 is a Pinko organization 953 00:48:55,934 --> 00:48:57,810 and that a white civil rights attorney from his home state 954 00:48:57,894 --> 00:49:00,355 of Alabama is a disgrace to his race. 955 00:49:00,438 --> 00:49:02,941 It's inconceivable to me that a person of this attitude 956 00:49:03,024 --> 00:49:06,110 is qualified to be a U.S. Attorney 957 00:49:06,194 --> 00:49:08,529 let alone a United States Federal Judge. 958 00:49:08,613 --> 00:49:11,115 Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III, 959 00:49:11,199 --> 00:49:14,786 he was brought face to face with things he personally had said. 960 00:49:14,869 --> 00:49:18,373 For example, that the NAACP and the Civil Liberties Union 961 00:49:18,456 --> 00:49:20,625 are un-American organizations. 962 00:49:20,708 --> 00:49:23,211 These comments that you could say, uh, 963 00:49:23,294 --> 00:49:26,297 about a commie organization or something, 964 00:49:26,381 --> 00:49:27,966 I may have said something like that. 965 00:49:28,049 --> 00:49:29,968 ♪ Made in the U.S.A. ♪ 966 00:49:30,051 --> 00:49:33,554 Let's start the "Family Feud" the winner takes all. 967 00:49:33,638 --> 00:49:36,391 Thank you! 968 00:49:36,474 --> 00:49:40,061 Two or three years after that rather intense argument, 969 00:49:40,144 --> 00:49:43,439 I moved out of the country without telling her. 970 00:49:43,523 --> 00:49:46,317 I was really running. 971 00:49:46,401 --> 00:49:48,820 So, you know, between the two of us, we just kept it going. 972 00:49:48,903 --> 00:49:51,239 ♪ 973 00:49:51,322 --> 00:49:53,282 A few months ago, I told the American people 974 00:49:53,366 --> 00:49:56,202 I did not trade arms for hostages. 975 00:49:56,285 --> 00:49:59,872 My heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true, 976 00:49:59,956 --> 00:50:03,126 but the facts and the evidence tell me it is not. 977 00:50:03,209 --> 00:50:04,335 The devastation. 978 00:50:04,419 --> 00:50:06,462 - It's hopeless. - The despair. 979 00:50:06,546 --> 00:50:09,841 I've never seen men cry like they have this year. 980 00:50:09,924 --> 00:50:13,678 This is CNN Breaking News. 981 00:50:13,761 --> 00:50:18,182 Um, because of the... 982 00:50:18,266 --> 00:50:22,270 the HIV virus that I have attained, uh, 983 00:50:22,353 --> 00:50:24,564 I will have to retire from the Lakers. 984 00:50:24,647 --> 00:50:27,358 If you feel your proposal was unfairly denied or ignored 985 00:50:27,442 --> 00:50:30,903 because you are a woman or a member of a minority group, 986 00:50:30,987 --> 00:50:34,198 if so, the state wants information... 987 00:50:34,282 --> 00:50:37,869 Live from Iraq with scouts in the Seven-Six infantry-- 988 00:50:37,952 --> 00:50:39,912 Good morning, America! 989 00:50:39,996 --> 00:50:42,206 We are owned by larger and larger companies. 990 00:50:42,290 --> 00:50:44,375 It doesn't make me a radical to be somewhat concerned 991 00:50:44,459 --> 00:50:48,087 about white male boardroom view will be even more a feature 992 00:50:48,171 --> 00:50:51,549 of the news gathering and reporting. 993 00:50:51,632 --> 00:50:54,093 What story isn't being pursued? 994 00:50:54,177 --> 00:50:56,095 What story isn't being covered? 995 00:50:56,179 --> 00:51:04,645 ♪ 996 00:51:04,729 --> 00:51:06,981 Make us a part of your party. 997 00:51:07,065 --> 00:51:11,194 It is now 1992 Happy New Year! 998 00:51:11,277 --> 00:51:14,280 Curfew is in effect as Los Angeles continues to reel 999 00:51:14,363 --> 00:51:17,075 from violence in the aftermath of the Rodney King verdicts. 1000 00:51:17,158 --> 00:51:18,826 South Central part of the city looked like 1001 00:51:18,910 --> 00:51:21,954 - the burning Kuwaiti oil field. - One footnote to all of this, 1002 00:51:22,038 --> 00:51:23,956 the final episode of the Cosby Show 1003 00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:25,708 aired tonight in Los Angeles. 1004 00:51:25,792 --> 00:51:29,337 For eight years, the program held up an ideal of a happy, 1005 00:51:29,420 --> 00:51:31,214 successful black American family. 1006 00:51:31,297 --> 00:51:40,431 ♪ And the victory of good over evil ♪ 1007 00:51:40,515 --> 00:51:44,268 ♪ 1008 00:51:44,352 --> 00:51:47,313 Fight the real enemy. 1009 00:51:47,396 --> 00:51:49,690 In all of this, William Jefferson Clinton 1010 00:51:49,774 --> 00:51:52,443 has undermined the integrity of his office 1011 00:51:52,527 --> 00:51:54,529 and has acted in a manner subversive of the rule-- 1012 00:51:54,612 --> 00:51:56,697 We're leaving this program to bring you live coverage 1013 00:51:56,781 --> 00:51:59,408 of President Clinton's comments on military strikes in Iraq. 1014 00:51:59,492 --> 00:52:02,537 On Wednesday, I ordered our Armed Forces 1015 00:52:02,620 --> 00:52:05,206 to strike military and strategic targets in Iraq. 1016 00:52:05,289 --> 00:52:10,962 ♪ 1017 00:52:11,045 --> 00:52:13,464 When we did talk, it was very, very strained. 1018 00:52:13,548 --> 00:52:16,509 Could have an hour-long phone conversation with my mother 1019 00:52:16,592 --> 00:52:18,678 during which there might be fifteen minutes 1020 00:52:18,761 --> 00:52:21,222 of actual talking and the rest of it was just silence. 1021 00:52:21,305 --> 00:52:26,352 ♪ 1022 00:52:26,435 --> 00:52:29,063 That is the lunar eclipse from last night. 1023 00:52:29,147 --> 00:52:31,482 As this century ends, um, we have seen 1024 00:52:31,566 --> 00:52:35,653 our last lunar eclipse of the 1900s. 1025 00:52:35,736 --> 00:52:39,782 In Times Square, eyes are up there on the ball. 1026 00:52:42,034 --> 00:52:43,911 ♪ 1027 00:52:43,995 --> 00:52:45,913 Happy New Year! 1028 00:52:45,997 --> 00:52:51,961 ♪ 1029 00:53:01,971 --> 00:53:04,348 I don't remember how long it had been since I had contact, 1030 00:53:04,432 --> 00:53:05,766 but it was a long time because 1031 00:53:05,850 --> 00:53:07,310 they would not answer the phone. 1032 00:53:07,393 --> 00:53:11,272 Marion wouldn't or couldn't, maybe. 1033 00:53:11,355 --> 00:53:13,316 At one point I asked her, "Okay, if you don't answer 1034 00:53:13,399 --> 00:53:14,984 the phone, how are we supposed to get in touch?" 1035 00:53:15,067 --> 00:53:17,278 She said, "Well, you could FedEx us." 1036 00:53:19,030 --> 00:53:22,241 ♪ 1037 00:53:22,325 --> 00:53:25,036 I just decided, well, why don't I just 1038 00:53:25,119 --> 00:53:27,580 wait and see if I can make contact. 1039 00:53:27,663 --> 00:53:29,999 I just sat in Rittenhouse Square and waited to see 1040 00:53:30,082 --> 00:53:32,376 if he would come out, and he did. 1041 00:53:32,460 --> 00:53:36,380 ♪ 1042 00:53:36,464 --> 00:53:38,716 He would use a little grocery shop cart, 1043 00:53:38,799 --> 00:53:39,759 almost like a walker. 1044 00:53:39,842 --> 00:53:42,762 He was very stooped over. 1045 00:53:42,845 --> 00:53:45,973 He's making his way up along 18th Street, 1046 00:53:46,057 --> 00:53:48,226 and, I mean, here I am stalking my dad. 1047 00:53:48,309 --> 00:53:53,272 ♪ 1048 00:53:53,356 --> 00:53:55,650 So, I thought, "Well, I guess I better just go up," 1049 00:53:55,733 --> 00:54:00,446 and I, I did and said, "Oh, here I am. 1050 00:54:00,529 --> 00:54:03,366 I just happened to see you here." 1051 00:54:03,449 --> 00:54:05,159 And he seemed very glad to see me. 1052 00:54:05,243 --> 00:54:06,953 He sat down and said, "Let's talk." 1053 00:54:07,036 --> 00:54:10,790 ♪ 1054 00:54:10,873 --> 00:54:12,667 The burning question that I had, 1055 00:54:12,750 --> 00:54:14,418 that really all of us siblings had, 1056 00:54:14,502 --> 00:54:18,005 was did he not communicate with us 1057 00:54:18,089 --> 00:54:21,592 because he didn't want to, or was it because of Marion? 1058 00:54:21,676 --> 00:54:23,552 ♪ 1059 00:54:23,636 --> 00:54:26,472 And he said that his relationship with Marion 1060 00:54:26,555 --> 00:54:29,100 was the most important thing in his life 1061 00:54:29,183 --> 00:54:33,437 and that he didn't want to rock the boat. 1062 00:54:33,521 --> 00:54:35,356 I think he actually used that term. 1063 00:54:35,439 --> 00:54:38,776 And he said, "Don't ever tell Marion that we spoke here." 1064 00:54:38,859 --> 00:54:41,862 ♪ 1065 00:54:41,946 --> 00:54:44,073 I've considered him something of a wimp. 1066 00:54:44,156 --> 00:54:46,867 ♪ 1067 00:54:46,951 --> 00:54:48,869 I mean, I have a clear visual memory 1068 00:54:48,953 --> 00:54:51,914 of him walking, 1069 00:54:51,998 --> 00:54:54,292 crossing the street, and going back into 1070 00:54:54,375 --> 00:54:57,545 the Barclay apartment building 1071 00:54:57,628 --> 00:54:59,171 and not turning around. 1072 00:54:59,255 --> 00:55:04,552 ♪ 1073 00:55:04,635 --> 00:55:05,928 There's, perhaps, 20 years 1074 00:55:06,012 --> 00:55:08,264 that they were isolated in that house. 1075 00:55:08,347 --> 00:55:11,767 ♪ 1076 00:55:11,851 --> 00:55:14,353 Sometimes I'd get down there in the morning. 1077 00:55:14,437 --> 00:55:16,940 They were there theirselves, sitting in their chairs 1078 00:55:17,023 --> 00:55:21,068 amidst all these books and magazines and stuff. 1079 00:55:21,152 --> 00:55:23,154 And if I would come in or whatever, you know, 1080 00:55:23,237 --> 00:55:26,907 their chairs were side by side and they'd be holding hands. 1081 00:55:26,991 --> 00:55:30,536 The way they treated each other was just amazing. 1082 00:55:30,619 --> 00:55:33,706 ♪ 1083 00:55:33,789 --> 00:55:37,876 They told me they were soulmates. 1084 00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,547 I think at that point in her life she had ousted everyone. 1085 00:55:41,630 --> 00:55:44,884 She was content with just her and John. 1086 00:55:44,967 --> 00:55:49,055 And he sacrificed himself for her. 1087 00:55:49,138 --> 00:55:50,973 You know, I believe that 1088 00:55:51,057 --> 00:55:52,767 he didn't agree with everything, 1089 00:55:52,850 --> 00:55:56,854 but he humbled himself to allow her to be herself. 1090 00:55:56,937 --> 00:55:58,647 ♪ 1091 00:55:58,731 --> 00:56:03,235 John was taken in by Ms. Stokes' knowledge. 1092 00:56:03,319 --> 00:56:06,405 She said, "People can't take knowledge from you." 1093 00:56:06,489 --> 00:56:08,866 So she pretty much felt that though-- 1094 00:56:08,949 --> 00:56:12,411 the fact that she was knowledgeable is what kept her 1095 00:56:12,495 --> 00:56:15,164 in the family, in John's heart. 1096 00:56:15,247 --> 00:56:19,794 ♪ 1097 00:56:24,548 --> 00:56:27,343 Would you like to lower your monthly mortgage payments 1098 00:56:27,426 --> 00:56:30,304 or use the equity in your home to consolidate your credit card 1099 00:56:30,388 --> 00:56:32,098 or other debts, just log on-- 1100 00:56:32,181 --> 00:56:34,517 - Number two? - Yeah. 1101 00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:36,227 This just in, you are looking at, 1102 00:56:36,310 --> 00:56:38,562 obviously a very disturbing live shot there. 1103 00:56:38,646 --> 00:56:41,482 That is the World Trade Center and we have unconfirmed reports 1104 00:56:41,565 --> 00:56:44,026 this morning that a plane has crashed 1105 00:56:44,110 --> 00:56:47,363 into one of the towers of the World Trade Center. 1106 00:56:47,446 --> 00:56:50,574 CNN Center right now is just beginning to work on this story, 1107 00:56:50,658 --> 00:56:52,618 obviously calling our sources and trying to figure out 1108 00:56:52,701 --> 00:56:55,663 exactly what happened, but clearly something 1109 00:56:55,746 --> 00:56:58,374 relatively devastating happening this morning there 1110 00:56:58,457 --> 00:57:01,252 on the south end of the island of Manhattan. 1111 00:57:01,335 --> 00:57:04,547 That is, once again, a picture of one of the towers 1112 00:57:04,630 --> 00:57:07,049 of the World Trade Center. 1113 00:57:07,133 --> 00:57:09,885 We can see these pictures, it's obviously, uh, 1114 00:57:09,969 --> 00:57:12,096 something devastating has happened, and, again, 1115 00:57:12,179 --> 00:57:15,057 unconfirmed report that a plane has crashed into one 1116 00:57:15,141 --> 00:57:17,644 of the towers there, we are efforting more information 1117 00:57:17,726 --> 00:57:21,522 on this subject as it becomes available to you. 1118 00:57:21,605 --> 00:57:23,273 Right now we've got Sean Murtagh. 1119 00:57:23,357 --> 00:57:25,484 He is a CNN producer on the telephone right now. 1120 00:57:25,568 --> 00:57:27,278 Sean, what can you tell us about what you know? 1121 00:57:27,361 --> 00:57:29,238 This is, uh, Sean Murtagh, I just was, uh, standing 1122 00:57:29,321 --> 00:57:33,492 on the, uh, vice president of finance, 1123 00:57:33,576 --> 00:57:35,995 the vice president of finance for CNN-- 1124 00:57:36,078 --> 00:57:40,124 If every Capitol Hill scandal merits weeks of coverage, 1125 00:57:40,207 --> 00:57:41,459 how much attention do 1126 00:57:41,542 --> 00:57:44,044 two-and-a-half million dead merit? 1127 00:57:44,128 --> 00:57:46,797 It's a story we should have brought you long ago. 1128 00:57:46,881 --> 00:57:49,425 This week, on Nightline we'd like to make up for that 1129 00:57:49,508 --> 00:57:51,844 by finally telling you about the beauty 1130 00:57:51,927 --> 00:57:54,221 and the tragedy of Congo. 1131 00:57:54,305 --> 00:57:58,058 Three years, two-and-a-half million dead. 1132 00:57:58,142 --> 00:57:59,560 We thought you should know. 1133 00:57:59,643 --> 00:58:01,437 One of the World Trade Center towers. 1134 00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,981 Sean, what kind of plane, was it a small plane, a jet? 1135 00:58:04,064 --> 00:58:06,317 It was, uh, it was a jet, uh, it looked like-- 1136 00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:07,943 We want to tell you what we know, 1137 00:58:08,027 --> 00:58:10,154 as we know it, but we just got a report in 1138 00:58:10,237 --> 00:58:12,156 that there's been some sort of explosion 1139 00:58:12,239 --> 00:58:16,744 at the World Trade Center in New York City. 1140 00:58:16,827 --> 00:58:19,497 One report said, and we can't confirm any of this, 1141 00:58:19,580 --> 00:58:22,458 that a plane may have hit one of the two towers 1142 00:58:22,541 --> 00:58:24,418 of the World Trade Center, but again, 1143 00:58:24,502 --> 00:58:26,712 you're seeing the live pictures here. 1144 00:58:26,795 --> 00:58:28,589 We have no further details than that. 1145 00:58:28,672 --> 00:58:32,009 We don't know anything about what they have concluded 1146 00:58:32,092 --> 00:58:35,304 happened there this morning, but we're going to find out 1147 00:58:35,387 --> 00:58:38,098 and, of course, make sure that everybody knows on the-- 1148 00:58:38,182 --> 00:58:40,809 These are of course, the two twin Trade Center buildings 1149 00:58:40,893 --> 00:58:42,478 that are down at the foot of Manhattan. 1150 00:58:42,561 --> 00:58:45,564 That they really are the beacons of New York. 1151 00:58:45,648 --> 00:58:47,399 It was there that there was the explosion 1152 00:58:47,483 --> 00:58:50,361 a couple of years ago brought about by terrorists. 1153 00:58:50,444 --> 00:58:52,446 That's all gone through the courts, but this, 1154 00:58:52,530 --> 00:58:54,281 we don't know anything about. 1155 00:58:54,365 --> 00:58:56,033 We don't know about anything that has happened here 1156 00:58:56,116 --> 00:58:57,576 other than the fact that there's obviously been 1157 00:58:57,660 --> 00:58:59,119 a major incident there, we're going to go to 1158 00:58:59,203 --> 00:59:01,038 a Special Report now from ABC News. 1159 00:59:01,121 --> 00:59:02,957 Any debris that has hit down there, or can you see any-- 1160 00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:04,875 My vantage point is too far from the World Trade Center 1161 00:59:04,959 --> 00:59:07,503 to make any, uh, determination of that. 1162 00:59:07,586 --> 00:59:09,880 Do you see any smoke, any flames coming out 1163 00:59:09,964 --> 00:59:12,007 of the engines of that plane? 1164 00:59:12,091 --> 00:59:15,177 This is an ABC News Special Report. 1165 00:59:15,261 --> 00:59:18,430 Was, uh, coming in low and the-- 1166 00:59:18,514 --> 00:59:20,724 The entire ABC Network, Good Morning America 1167 00:59:20,808 --> 00:59:22,309 was in progress, East Coast and the Midwest, 1168 00:59:22,393 --> 00:59:24,061 we will be joined by the entire network 1169 00:59:24,144 --> 00:59:26,605 just to show you some pictures of the-- 1170 00:59:26,689 --> 00:59:29,858 I can see flames now coming out the side of the building and-- 1171 00:59:32,194 --> 00:59:34,780 It's 8:52 here in New York, I'm Bryant Gumbel. 1172 00:59:34,863 --> 00:59:36,991 We understand that there has been a plane crash on the, 1173 00:59:37,074 --> 00:59:39,451 uh, southern tip of Manhattan. 1174 00:59:39,535 --> 00:59:43,205 Live from New York City, apparently a plane 1175 00:59:43,289 --> 00:59:46,125 has crashed into the World Trade Center in New York. 1176 00:59:46,208 --> 00:59:49,086 8:52, we have limited information at this point. 1177 00:59:49,169 --> 00:59:51,005 We don't know about injuries, 1178 00:59:51,088 --> 00:59:53,465 uh, in the building or people on the ground, 1179 00:59:53,549 --> 00:59:55,593 - but obviously, this has... - There. 1180 00:59:55,676 --> 00:59:58,512 It does not appear that there's any kind of a-- 1181 00:59:58,596 --> 01:00:00,180 an effort up there yet, now remember-- 1182 01:00:00,264 --> 01:00:01,849 - Oh, my God! - Oh God! 1183 01:00:01,932 --> 01:00:03,475 Oh my God. 1184 01:00:09,982 --> 01:00:11,358 I can hear you. 1185 01:00:11,442 --> 01:00:14,570 The rest of the world hears you, and the people-- 1186 01:00:18,949 --> 01:00:21,493 We didn't have contact for many years. 1187 01:00:21,577 --> 01:00:25,039 But a month after 9/11 happened, 1188 01:00:25,122 --> 01:00:26,540 I had written a note saying, you know, 1189 01:00:26,624 --> 01:00:28,208 "If there's anything you need any help with, 1190 01:00:28,292 --> 01:00:31,337 I'd be happy to help you." 1191 01:00:31,420 --> 01:00:32,588 Marion said, "There are some things 1192 01:00:32,671 --> 01:00:34,673 we could use some help with." 1193 01:00:34,757 --> 01:00:39,136 And what it was they needed help with was labeling videotapes. 1194 01:00:39,219 --> 01:00:40,763 There was a wall of tapes 1195 01:00:40,846 --> 01:00:43,140 and there were little stickies on them. 1196 01:00:43,223 --> 01:00:46,018 CNN, a certain date and time, 1197 01:00:46,101 --> 01:00:49,229 and they wanted actual labels put on them. 1198 01:00:51,565 --> 01:00:54,568 It just seems that she was more concerned about not losing 1199 01:00:54,652 --> 01:00:58,739 any information about what was happening in the world. 1200 01:00:58,822 --> 01:01:03,410 But that seemed to get in the way of having real contact 1201 01:01:03,494 --> 01:01:07,122 or information about, um, her family. 1202 01:01:10,084 --> 01:01:13,921 She collected between forty and fifty thousand books. 1203 01:01:14,004 --> 01:01:15,381 She would buy them at every opportunity. 1204 01:01:15,464 --> 01:01:19,426 She voraciously read them. 1205 01:01:19,510 --> 01:01:24,640 I think she said she had nine apartments or homes. 1206 01:01:24,723 --> 01:01:26,684 We were like packed to the gills. 1207 01:01:29,895 --> 01:01:31,438 She was a hoarder. 1208 01:01:31,522 --> 01:01:33,273 You know, she hoarded everything. 1209 01:01:33,357 --> 01:01:36,110 You know, she got obsessed with the syrup containers 1210 01:01:36,193 --> 01:01:37,778 that you get in diners, 1211 01:01:37,861 --> 01:01:41,740 so we found like 50 of them or something. 1212 01:01:41,824 --> 01:01:43,992 We weren't allowed to throw anything out. 1213 01:01:44,076 --> 01:01:47,121 We kept them in bags, we called them burn bags 1214 01:01:47,204 --> 01:01:49,665 and we would stick 'em throughout the apartments. 1215 01:01:49,748 --> 01:01:53,210 She got different books that said, "My life is a mess" 1216 01:01:53,293 --> 01:01:56,547 and different ones about how intelligent people 1217 01:01:56,630 --> 01:01:59,550 are hoarders and, you know, 1218 01:01:59,633 --> 01:02:02,386 live in disarray, you might say. 1219 01:02:04,596 --> 01:02:06,265 Hi, everybody. 1220 01:02:06,348 --> 01:02:10,185 What do you think we would find if we went to your house 1221 01:02:10,269 --> 01:02:13,480 with our television cameras and looked into your closet? 1222 01:02:13,564 --> 01:02:16,316 - A mess, probably. - And she would buy stuff. 1223 01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:18,610 And I would say, "Marion, where do you want me to put it?" 1224 01:02:18,694 --> 01:02:22,281 And she would say, "Make room." 1225 01:02:22,364 --> 01:02:24,825 It was almost like Marion's brain, these apartment rooms, 1226 01:02:24,908 --> 01:02:28,495 and she knew where she would store stuff. 1227 01:02:28,579 --> 01:02:31,707 Having all these magazines and books piled up around her, 1228 01:02:31,790 --> 01:02:36,420 and tapes, and just walking through these little pathways 1229 01:02:36,503 --> 01:02:38,589 was who she was. 1230 01:02:38,672 --> 01:02:42,342 If you took away everything, 1231 01:02:42,426 --> 01:02:44,720 you would take away Marion. 1232 01:02:47,097 --> 01:02:50,267 We're taking video tours through shopaholics' closets 1233 01:02:50,350 --> 01:02:52,978 just to see what exactly they had hidden away. 1234 01:02:53,061 --> 01:02:54,062 Here's one of our viewers. 1235 01:02:54,146 --> 01:02:56,857 This one I love, 1236 01:02:56,940 --> 01:03:00,152 and as soon as I get some place to wear it. 1237 01:03:00,235 --> 01:03:02,446 This makes a statement. 1238 01:03:02,529 --> 01:03:04,364 The difference between a hoarder and a collector 1239 01:03:04,448 --> 01:03:06,533 is what value someone else 1240 01:03:06,617 --> 01:03:09,077 finds in what they've got. 1241 01:03:09,161 --> 01:03:11,455 So if people come to a house and it-- 1242 01:03:11,538 --> 01:03:15,083 they think it's a pile of junk, then this person's a hoarder. 1243 01:03:15,167 --> 01:03:16,835 If they think, "Oh my God, no one's ever kept this before?" 1244 01:03:16,919 --> 01:03:18,420 Then suddenly, they're a collector. 1245 01:03:18,504 --> 01:03:20,672 Well, you rarely see them in this good a shape. 1246 01:03:20,756 --> 01:03:22,633 For example, the fingers are perfect. 1247 01:03:22,716 --> 01:03:24,885 The bird is in mint condition. 1248 01:03:24,968 --> 01:03:28,263 I'd say, if this were to go to auction today, conservatively, 1249 01:03:28,347 --> 01:03:31,600 it would be worth two in the bush. 1250 01:03:31,683 --> 01:03:34,269 - Really? - It's just beautiful. 1251 01:03:34,353 --> 01:03:37,856 Thank you so much for bringing it in. 1252 01:03:37,940 --> 01:03:41,527 When you have a institution like a museum or a university 1253 01:03:41,610 --> 01:03:44,112 and they begin to collect, you don't tend to question 1254 01:03:44,196 --> 01:03:45,823 why they're doing it. 1255 01:03:45,906 --> 01:03:48,575 There must be a rational reason. 1256 01:03:48,659 --> 01:03:52,079 But when you're one lone person, and especially a woman, 1257 01:03:52,162 --> 01:03:56,208 then you're considered to be an outlier. 1258 01:03:56,291 --> 01:03:59,002 We shouldn't ascribe rationality to those in power 1259 01:03:59,086 --> 01:04:01,797 and irrationality to those without it. 1260 01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:05,342 ♪ 1261 01:04:07,261 --> 01:04:09,930 In her mind, there was a purpose to it all. 1262 01:04:10,013 --> 01:04:12,516 She was always looking into the future. 1263 01:04:12,599 --> 01:04:14,977 All news had to be kept 1264 01:04:15,060 --> 01:04:17,813 and for history, for prosperity. 1265 01:04:17,896 --> 01:04:20,190 We know who shot Trayvon. 1266 01:04:20,274 --> 01:04:22,985 When something was important, she would want me to sit 1267 01:04:23,068 --> 01:04:26,321 and watch it with her, like Trayvon Martin. 1268 01:04:26,405 --> 01:04:29,157 A neighborhood watch volunteer told Sanford, Florida police 1269 01:04:29,241 --> 01:04:30,909 that he was acting in self-defense. 1270 01:04:30,993 --> 01:04:32,119 I don't know what his deal is. 1271 01:04:32,202 --> 01:04:33,996 - Are you following him? - Yeah. 1272 01:04:34,079 --> 01:04:37,583 Okay, we don't need you to do that. 1273 01:04:37,666 --> 01:04:39,501 She wanted to, like, compare 1274 01:04:39,585 --> 01:04:42,170 the way the news is put out there 1275 01:04:42,254 --> 01:04:45,966 and how we, as a community takes it in. 1276 01:04:46,049 --> 01:04:49,553 We are going to demand equal justice under the law. 1277 01:04:49,636 --> 01:04:53,015 We are going to declare poor people's independence 1278 01:04:53,098 --> 01:04:55,559 - in this country. - That's all right. 1279 01:04:55,642 --> 01:05:00,188 Let the world pray, but it'll be sorry. 1280 01:05:00,272 --> 01:05:02,608 A black insurance man whose slaying 1281 01:05:02,691 --> 01:05:04,902 fell in the hands of policemen 1282 01:05:04,985 --> 01:05:07,779 gave new fervor to their outcries 1283 01:05:07,863 --> 01:05:10,073 against police brutality. 1284 01:05:10,157 --> 01:05:11,783 We want them to keep seeing it, if they keep seeing it, 1285 01:05:11,867 --> 01:05:14,077 they might do something about it so it don't happen again. 1286 01:05:14,161 --> 01:05:16,914 From Washington, Ted Koppel. 1287 01:05:16,997 --> 01:05:20,417 The group calls itself MOVE, M-O-V-E. 1288 01:05:20,500 --> 01:05:22,502 Its membership is predominantly black, 1289 01:05:22,586 --> 01:05:25,422 and while it describes itself as a back-to-nature movement, 1290 01:05:25,505 --> 01:05:28,508 that may be an overly benign description of a group 1291 01:05:28,592 --> 01:05:30,218 that has terrorized its neighbors 1292 01:05:30,302 --> 01:05:33,096 and has a history of violence. 1293 01:05:33,180 --> 01:05:34,973 I presume somewhere in that archive 1294 01:05:35,057 --> 01:05:37,559 you could pull out a sub-archive 1295 01:05:37,643 --> 01:05:40,479 of racially motivated police brutality. 1296 01:05:40,562 --> 01:05:42,105 Members of a radical group-- 1297 01:05:42,189 --> 01:05:45,400 Going back and watching in detail 1298 01:05:45,484 --> 01:05:47,069 how those stories get told, 1299 01:05:47,152 --> 01:05:49,696 what sort of justifications are offered, 1300 01:05:49,780 --> 01:05:53,283 what sort of unanswered questions remain. 1301 01:05:53,367 --> 01:05:55,702 Police dropped a percussion bomb onto this house 1302 01:05:55,786 --> 01:05:57,579 trying to flush out members of a radical 1303 01:05:57,663 --> 01:05:59,414 back-to-the-earth group known as MOVE. 1304 01:05:59,498 --> 01:06:01,583 Last night, inside the headquarters 1305 01:06:01,667 --> 01:06:03,543 of the radical group known as MOVE-- 1306 01:06:03,627 --> 01:06:06,630 Heavily armed members of a radical group known as MOVE. 1307 01:06:06,713 --> 01:06:10,217 Martin Luther King said that because of television, 1308 01:06:10,300 --> 01:06:13,553 it was going to be hard to maintain racism 1309 01:06:13,637 --> 01:06:16,181 because television would show all. 1310 01:06:16,264 --> 01:06:18,141 If you had things like Rodney King, 1311 01:06:18,225 --> 01:06:22,771 then how could you not reform racism in the country? 1312 01:06:22,854 --> 01:06:24,106 They can get it on videotape 1313 01:06:24,189 --> 01:06:26,608 and we still can't get a conviction. 1314 01:06:26,692 --> 01:06:30,028 Well, what happens to the police when they break the law? 1315 01:06:30,112 --> 01:06:32,864 That question's back again because of Monday's beating 1316 01:06:32,948 --> 01:06:34,741 of two people by sheriff's deputies 1317 01:06:34,825 --> 01:06:37,160 from Riverside County, California. 1318 01:06:37,244 --> 01:06:39,287 Granted the video doesn't tell you everything, 1319 01:06:39,371 --> 01:06:41,206 but it sure looks like the deputies 1320 01:06:41,289 --> 01:06:44,584 were using excessive force, and it sure looks like 1321 01:06:44,668 --> 01:06:47,129 the Rodney King beating all over again. 1322 01:06:47,212 --> 01:06:49,548 But isn't it a stretch to try to use 1323 01:06:49,631 --> 01:06:53,010 this horrible incident as part of your, uh, 1324 01:06:53,093 --> 01:06:56,263 your, uh, attempt to justify illegal immigration? 1325 01:06:56,346 --> 01:06:57,973 We are more apt to be the victims 1326 01:06:58,056 --> 01:07:00,600 of police brutality than any other group. 1327 01:07:00,684 --> 01:07:03,937 Police use of deadly force against Hispanics 1328 01:07:04,021 --> 01:07:05,814 has been a very significant problem. 1329 01:07:05,897 --> 01:07:07,983 A few weeks ago in South Carolina, 1330 01:07:08,108 --> 01:07:11,236 where a state trooper in an unmarked car 1331 01:07:11,319 --> 01:07:15,032 took a woman who was speeding, manhandled her, 1332 01:07:15,115 --> 01:07:18,035 threw her on her back, uh, gave her bodily injury, 1333 01:07:18,118 --> 01:07:21,496 and she was as white as the driven snow. 1334 01:07:21,580 --> 01:07:23,707 ♪ 1335 01:07:23,790 --> 01:07:25,375 Bill, I made an embarrassing mistake. 1336 01:07:25,459 --> 01:07:27,711 The woman who was manhandled in South Carolina was not white. 1337 01:07:27,794 --> 01:07:30,047 She was black, I saw the things about a half a dozen times. 1338 01:07:30,130 --> 01:07:32,382 It just shows how colorblind I am. 1339 01:07:32,466 --> 01:07:33,967 "Not Guilty," that was the headline 1340 01:07:34,051 --> 01:07:35,218 across the country today. 1341 01:07:35,302 --> 01:07:36,928 Three New York police detectives, 1342 01:07:37,012 --> 01:07:40,307 50 bullets, and an unarmed 23-year-old shot to death 1343 01:07:40,390 --> 01:07:42,642 just hours before the man was to be married. 1344 01:07:42,726 --> 01:07:44,144 Time and time again, 1345 01:07:44,227 --> 01:07:47,689 these cases are cases of black, blue, and white. 1346 01:07:47,773 --> 01:07:50,233 Black is the race of the people who are dead. 1347 01:07:50,317 --> 01:07:53,361 Blue is the uniform who kill them, and white is the race 1348 01:07:53,445 --> 01:07:56,114 of the people that let those killers go. 1349 01:07:56,198 --> 01:07:58,992 But see, but that is the sort of race baiting. 1350 01:07:59,076 --> 01:08:00,744 This is-- there are two police officers-- 1351 01:08:00,827 --> 01:08:02,829 - That happens to be true. - There were five people here. 1352 01:08:02,913 --> 01:08:05,165 Five police officers, two of them were African American. 1353 01:08:05,248 --> 01:08:08,960 We went into a little bit of history's web of violence. 1354 01:08:09,044 --> 01:08:11,379 And I just wonder and if this is related in any way 1355 01:08:11,463 --> 01:08:13,924 to the whole acceptance of violence 1356 01:08:14,007 --> 01:08:17,886 and killing as an everyday thing. 1357 01:08:17,969 --> 01:08:21,848 Those in power are able to write their own history, 1358 01:08:21,932 --> 01:08:24,226 uh, from their own bias. 1359 01:08:24,309 --> 01:08:27,312 And, I think an extension of that certainly would be 1360 01:08:27,395 --> 01:08:29,856 our discussion today of violence, which we may 1361 01:08:29,940 --> 01:08:33,693 not call violence, but which is a large-scale violation 1362 01:08:33,777 --> 01:08:36,113 of the human being potential 1363 01:08:36,196 --> 01:08:39,699 and uh, total humanity and dignity. 1364 01:08:39,783 --> 01:08:41,409 She felt, until the end, 1365 01:08:41,493 --> 01:08:45,038 that her work was supremely important, 1366 01:08:45,122 --> 01:08:48,041 and she shared that commitment with John. 1367 01:08:48,125 --> 01:08:50,919 How can those who are committed to human potential 1368 01:08:51,002 --> 01:08:54,297 for a cooperative and constructive society, 1369 01:08:54,381 --> 01:08:57,425 how can such persons make a breakthrough? 1370 01:08:57,509 --> 01:08:59,719 How can we get out of the web of violence 1371 01:08:59,803 --> 01:09:03,765 and break through and help others break through to a, uh, 1372 01:09:03,849 --> 01:09:07,060 more peaceful and cooperative type of society? 1373 01:09:07,144 --> 01:09:15,193 ♪ 1374 01:09:15,277 --> 01:09:17,737 I remember Marion calling me like three 1375 01:09:17,821 --> 01:09:19,948 or four o'clock in the morning and saying, 1376 01:09:20,031 --> 01:09:22,701 "Frank, we have to go to the hospital right away, 1377 01:09:22,784 --> 01:09:25,287 there's a problem with John." 1378 01:09:25,370 --> 01:09:27,581 And when we got up there, he was gone. 1379 01:09:27,664 --> 01:09:32,919 ♪ 1380 01:09:33,003 --> 01:09:35,881 It was very clear that she fundamentally changed 1381 01:09:35,964 --> 01:09:39,217 as a person though afterwards. 1382 01:09:39,301 --> 01:09:42,637 John was her friend, as well as her husband. 1383 01:09:42,721 --> 01:09:47,225 ♪ 1384 01:09:47,309 --> 01:09:51,229 She became much quieter, more passive in many ways. 1385 01:09:51,313 --> 01:09:55,734 A lot of her energy drained after his death. 1386 01:09:55,817 --> 01:10:00,447 She just would cry sometimes. 1387 01:10:00,530 --> 01:10:04,451 ♪ 1388 01:10:04,534 --> 01:10:07,078 During the period after his death, 1389 01:10:07,162 --> 01:10:09,998 she decided to go to Channel Ten 1390 01:10:10,081 --> 01:10:13,043 to look at some of her old TV show. 1391 01:10:13,126 --> 01:10:14,502 If we don't get into the situation 1392 01:10:14,586 --> 01:10:16,004 where a majority of white people... 1393 01:10:16,087 --> 01:10:20,634 Of course, industry had passed her by 1394 01:10:20,717 --> 01:10:23,553 and the tapes were no longer viewable 1395 01:10:23,637 --> 01:10:26,056 because they no longer had the kind of equipment to show them. 1396 01:10:26,139 --> 01:10:28,308 You know, we're not gonna take these arbitrary norms-- 1397 01:10:28,391 --> 01:10:30,560 I think it took away a part of her life 1398 01:10:30,644 --> 01:10:32,145 that she wanted to relive. 1399 01:10:32,229 --> 01:10:35,106 We're gonna recognize this diversity of persons. 1400 01:10:35,190 --> 01:10:37,192 Each is legitimately human 1401 01:10:37,275 --> 01:10:39,945 and should in the total dialogue of society 1402 01:10:40,028 --> 01:10:42,489 for the enrichment of all, should be recognized... 1403 01:10:42,572 --> 01:10:44,616 I see a snowflake on top of Seven Hills. 1404 01:10:44,699 --> 01:10:47,327 ♪ 1405 01:10:47,410 --> 01:10:50,330 One after eight this morning, drugs, sex, and rock 'n roll. 1406 01:10:50,413 --> 01:10:52,624 They're the terms that define the '60s. 1407 01:10:52,707 --> 01:10:54,626 The problem is some say our memories of that time 1408 01:10:54,709 --> 01:10:57,754 often preserve the pleasure and forget the pain. 1409 01:10:57,837 --> 01:11:02,259 ♪ Everything, turn, turn, turn ♪ 1410 01:11:02,342 --> 01:11:04,386 Were the '60s a special time or are they merely 1411 01:11:04,469 --> 01:11:06,471 the obsession of the Baby Boom generation, 1412 01:11:06,554 --> 01:11:08,598 the generation that can't put their youth behind them? 1413 01:11:08,682 --> 01:11:11,726 Bruce Elliott is president of the Anti-Nostalgia Association 1414 01:11:11,810 --> 01:11:14,479 for the Advancement of Time, a group that believes 1415 01:11:14,562 --> 01:11:16,731 America is too preoccupied with the past. 1416 01:11:16,815 --> 01:11:18,942 In what sense, too preoccupied with the past? 1417 01:11:19,025 --> 01:11:21,653 Well, in the sense that so much of contemporary culture 1418 01:11:21,736 --> 01:11:24,906 is really devoted to regurgitating the past. 1419 01:11:24,990 --> 01:11:27,867 So it starts to obscure our vision of the future. 1420 01:11:27,951 --> 01:11:29,369 What do you think of what Bruce just said? 1421 01:11:29,452 --> 01:11:31,371 That if we're preoccupied with that decade, 1422 01:11:31,454 --> 01:11:33,665 we can't look ahead to the next one? 1423 01:11:33,748 --> 01:11:35,458 Well, you know, it's on a continuum. 1424 01:11:35,542 --> 01:11:38,211 You can understand the racism today when you see-- 1425 01:11:38,295 --> 01:11:40,463 understand what happened with the civil rights demonstration 1426 01:11:40,547 --> 01:11:43,508 in the '60s, uh, it's on a continuum. 1427 01:11:43,591 --> 01:11:46,803 ♪ 1428 01:11:46,886 --> 01:11:50,223 The road ahead will be long. 1429 01:11:50,307 --> 01:11:52,726 Our climb will be steep. 1430 01:11:52,809 --> 01:11:56,646 We may not get there in one year or even in one term. 1431 01:11:56,730 --> 01:11:59,607 But America, I have never been more hopeful 1432 01:11:59,691 --> 01:12:02,444 than I am tonight that we will get there. 1433 01:12:02,527 --> 01:12:06,072 I promise you, we as a people will get there. 1434 01:12:08,074 --> 01:12:12,287 Nothing ever in our lifetimes did we expect this to happen. 1435 01:12:12,370 --> 01:12:14,414 I--something big just happened. 1436 01:12:14,497 --> 01:12:19,711 It feels like, um, it feels like anything is now possible. 1437 01:12:19,794 --> 01:12:24,007 Yes we can, yes we can, yes we can, yes we can! 1438 01:12:27,177 --> 01:12:29,512 Mrs. Stokes was always a futuristic person. 1439 01:12:29,596 --> 01:12:32,515 She was always looking into the future. 1440 01:12:32,599 --> 01:12:34,642 She was absolutely determined 1441 01:12:34,726 --> 01:12:38,146 that the next generation would be better. 1442 01:12:38,229 --> 01:12:41,441 ♪ 1443 01:12:46,029 --> 01:12:49,949 ♪ 1444 01:12:50,033 --> 01:12:52,285 Richard would say, "Where would you like to go?" 1445 01:12:52,369 --> 01:12:53,912 And she would look over at me, say, 1446 01:12:53,995 --> 01:12:56,206 "Frank, where do you think we should go today?" 1447 01:12:56,289 --> 01:12:58,458 Sometimes she would just want to go out and ride. 1448 01:12:58,541 --> 01:13:00,543 ♪ 1449 01:13:00,627 --> 01:13:02,962 And then she might just look out the window 1450 01:13:03,046 --> 01:13:06,216 and once she got her iPhone, she liked to take pictures. 1451 01:13:06,299 --> 01:13:09,928 ♪ 1452 01:13:10,011 --> 01:13:11,930 When we first got into the restaurant, 1453 01:13:12,013 --> 01:13:14,933 she would always say, "Don't just order what you like, 1454 01:13:15,016 --> 01:13:16,851 order--" and I'm not into, you know, 1455 01:13:16,935 --> 01:13:19,479 ordering something I don't think I'm gonna like. 1456 01:13:19,562 --> 01:13:21,481 And she's like, "Did you eat that already?" 1457 01:13:21,564 --> 01:13:25,777 So she would want me to try something I didn't have. 1458 01:13:25,860 --> 01:13:28,446 She told me, "Frank, if I'm like your mother, 1459 01:13:28,530 --> 01:13:29,989 your mother yells at you, right? 1460 01:13:30,073 --> 01:13:31,533 So don't take it in a wrong way. 1461 01:13:31,616 --> 01:13:35,203 It's just that I'm upset with you." 1462 01:13:35,286 --> 01:13:37,288 She had a martini every day. 1463 01:13:37,372 --> 01:13:41,209 Tanqueray martini, very dry, straight up with a twist. 1464 01:13:41,292 --> 01:13:42,544 If she didn't want to drink it all, 1465 01:13:42,627 --> 01:13:44,546 we used to bring it home in a paper cup. 1466 01:13:44,629 --> 01:13:47,006 ♪ 1467 01:13:47,090 --> 01:13:50,427 I don't think a lot of people realize the real Marion, 1468 01:13:50,510 --> 01:13:52,762 how she cared about people, 1469 01:13:52,846 --> 01:13:55,390 was interested in everybody. 1470 01:14:01,938 --> 01:14:07,193 You had to be sitting right next to her holding her hand. 1471 01:14:07,277 --> 01:14:11,489 And that's what made me notice she was a person, 1472 01:14:11,573 --> 01:14:13,992 a giving and loving person. 1473 01:14:14,075 --> 01:14:15,910 ♪ 1474 01:14:15,994 --> 01:14:18,913 It came from me and Frank and Richard 1475 01:14:18,997 --> 01:14:21,374 opening her up to that, 1476 01:14:21,458 --> 01:14:25,962 because it was like a part of life she never saw. 1477 01:14:26,045 --> 01:14:29,007 To have that connection with somebody to just hold your hand 1478 01:14:29,090 --> 01:14:33,386 and, you know, be there for you every day. 1479 01:14:33,470 --> 01:14:36,347 Richard, the driver, Anna the aide, and myself, 1480 01:14:36,431 --> 01:14:40,643 we were part of her family, I guess, you would call it. 1481 01:14:40,727 --> 01:14:44,898 I was quite pleased with that surrogate family. 1482 01:14:44,981 --> 01:14:48,151 I've got a deep level of affection for those people 1483 01:14:48,234 --> 01:14:51,988 and that facilitated much more opening 1484 01:14:52,071 --> 01:14:55,033 and much more communication between, 1485 01:14:55,116 --> 01:14:56,910 you know, my kids and their grandmother 1486 01:14:56,993 --> 01:15:00,288 and they developed a really, really sweet relationship. 1487 01:15:00,371 --> 01:15:02,123 I remember my daughter saying to me, 1488 01:15:02,207 --> 01:15:05,460 "I just can't imagine Gran getting angry." 1489 01:15:05,543 --> 01:15:09,672 I'm like, you know, just-- it still makes me laugh. 1490 01:15:09,756 --> 01:15:12,425 It's just, it's hilar-- I told her, 1491 01:15:12,509 --> 01:15:14,427 "I love that you've got that kind of relationship 1492 01:15:14,511 --> 01:15:18,473 with her, because no one else on Earth does." 1493 01:15:18,556 --> 01:15:21,184 It's really difficult to get resolution 1494 01:15:21,267 --> 01:15:25,021 when somebody's turning a lot of emotions into anger. 1495 01:15:25,104 --> 01:15:26,898 Do you know what? 1496 01:15:26,981 --> 01:15:29,234 "I'm not sure what I did wrong, but I need you to forgive me 1497 01:15:29,317 --> 01:15:31,653 and I forgive you," and we only got there 1498 01:15:31,736 --> 01:15:34,572 within the last two months of her death. 1499 01:15:36,658 --> 01:15:38,117 You know, we need a system that-- 1500 01:15:38,201 --> 01:15:39,994 The same sentiment as Arizona saying 1501 01:15:40,078 --> 01:15:42,330 the federal government just isn't doing enough 1502 01:15:42,413 --> 01:15:45,625 to secure our borders and fight the illegal immigration 1503 01:15:45,708 --> 01:15:49,170 - problem here in America. - I saw the most diverse looking 1504 01:15:49,254 --> 01:15:51,589 - social movement-- - It was like almost 20 tapes 1505 01:15:51,673 --> 01:15:53,424 a day we were taping. 1506 01:15:53,508 --> 01:15:56,803 It was becoming harder and harder to find VHS tapes, 1507 01:15:56,886 --> 01:16:00,848 and I used to go around the city scouring the stores. 1508 01:16:00,932 --> 01:16:02,809 Well, who doesn't want to be able to predict the future? 1509 01:16:02,892 --> 01:16:05,353 Thirty years ago, who knew we'd have the internet. 1510 01:16:05,436 --> 01:16:07,813 One man did know, his name's Andy Gaspar. 1511 01:16:07,897 --> 01:16:10,191 It just seemed to us that there was something new being born, 1512 01:16:10,275 --> 01:16:11,901 something that was dramatically different 1513 01:16:11,985 --> 01:16:14,153 that would change the way we communicate. 1514 01:16:14,237 --> 01:16:15,697 It was newspapers back then 1515 01:16:15,780 --> 01:16:18,366 that you thought sort of might be in danger. 1516 01:16:18,449 --> 01:16:20,827 What do you think is sort of the next wave? 1517 01:16:20,910 --> 01:16:22,662 Well, there are a few of them and that is the role 1518 01:16:22,745 --> 01:16:24,706 of a local TV station. 1519 01:16:24,789 --> 01:16:27,542 We now have FOX News Channel that's available 1520 01:16:27,625 --> 01:16:30,003 on the internet any time you want it. 1521 01:16:30,086 --> 01:16:32,463 You wonder, what is the role of Channel Five News, 1522 01:16:32,547 --> 01:16:35,592 any local TV station in that kind of environment. 1523 01:16:35,675 --> 01:16:39,012 ♪ 1524 01:16:39,095 --> 01:16:41,431 The aides would call me through the night sometimes and say, 1525 01:16:41,514 --> 01:16:43,474 "Marion's not doing very well." 1526 01:16:43,558 --> 01:16:45,935 ♪ 1527 01:16:46,019 --> 01:16:48,229 When I came in she was in her chair, 1528 01:16:48,313 --> 01:16:51,190 but her head was almost on the ground, 1529 01:16:51,274 --> 01:16:54,068 like she was bent in half. 1530 01:16:54,152 --> 01:16:56,529 When I sat her up and I remember her eyes were open 1531 01:16:56,613 --> 01:16:58,698 and she looked at me and she just patted my arm and she said, 1532 01:16:58,781 --> 01:17:02,076 "Frank, everything's gonna be all right." 1533 01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:07,081 So I sort of felt that, as she would say, 1534 01:17:07,165 --> 01:17:11,461 "The guardian angels were... 1535 01:17:11,544 --> 01:17:14,756 taking her home." 1536 01:17:14,839 --> 01:17:18,051 And so I got over there relatively quickly. 1537 01:17:18,134 --> 01:17:19,802 You know, she was sitting up, they'd propped her up 1538 01:17:19,886 --> 01:17:21,804 and she was just looking very, very peaceful. 1539 01:17:21,888 --> 01:17:24,849 But on the news, and you know, we kind of left the news running 1540 01:17:24,932 --> 01:17:26,434 because we didn't know if she'd wake up 1541 01:17:26,517 --> 01:17:29,729 and just like blow up that we'd turned it off, 1542 01:17:29,812 --> 01:17:32,148 so we just kind of left it on. 1543 01:17:32,231 --> 01:17:35,401 And there was this horrific story unfolding. 1544 01:17:35,485 --> 01:17:38,446 We are now, uh, multiple hours into this horrific, 1545 01:17:38,529 --> 01:17:41,074 horrific crime that has happened in this small, 1546 01:17:41,157 --> 01:17:44,619 sleepy New England town of Newtown, Connecticut 1547 01:17:44,702 --> 01:17:46,412 at this elementary school, the call came in 1548 01:17:46,496 --> 01:17:49,582 to 911 right around 9:30 this morning. 1549 01:17:49,666 --> 01:17:51,626 A gunman walked in this school. 1550 01:17:51,709 --> 01:17:53,961 The latest number we have... 1551 01:17:54,045 --> 01:18:02,095 ♪ 1552 01:18:02,178 --> 01:18:04,389 That would have been a rough day anyway. 1553 01:18:04,472 --> 01:18:09,394 ♪ 1554 01:18:09,477 --> 01:18:12,855 That would have been a rough day anyway. 1555 01:18:12,939 --> 01:18:15,942 Again, we're hearing closer to 30 killed at the school 1556 01:18:16,025 --> 01:18:17,819 as far as children, little children. 1557 01:18:17,902 --> 01:18:19,654 Keep in mind, this school is kindergarten 1558 01:18:19,737 --> 01:18:22,365 through fourth grade, somewhere in-between 18-- 1559 01:18:22,448 --> 01:18:24,909 And my mom's breathing was getting shallower and shallower 1560 01:18:24,992 --> 01:18:27,578 and her hands were getting colder. 1561 01:18:27,662 --> 01:18:31,249 I said, "You know, it looks like your ride's here, you know?" 1562 01:18:31,332 --> 01:18:37,004 ♪ 1563 01:18:39,590 --> 01:18:41,509 ♪ 1564 01:18:41,592 --> 01:18:44,721 And she went. 1565 01:18:44,804 --> 01:18:51,394 ♪ 1566 01:18:51,477 --> 01:18:53,271 And then we turned off the VCRs, 1567 01:18:53,354 --> 01:18:56,107 turned off the TV. 1568 01:18:56,190 --> 01:18:57,358 It was kind of scary in the apartment 1569 01:18:57,442 --> 01:19:00,403 without all that noise. 1570 01:19:00,486 --> 01:19:04,949 ♪ 1571 01:19:05,032 --> 01:19:06,284 It was kind of like you only knew she was dead 1572 01:19:06,367 --> 01:19:08,578 when you turned the VCRs off. 1573 01:19:08,661 --> 01:19:29,807 ♪ 1574 01:19:29,891 --> 01:19:31,517 When I discovered that I was a co-executor of the will, 1575 01:19:31,601 --> 01:19:34,020 and then realizing that she had basically trusted me with 1576 01:19:34,103 --> 01:19:36,355 finding the right home for it. 1577 01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:38,733 She really did value my capabilities 1578 01:19:38,816 --> 01:19:40,359 and valued my perspective. 1579 01:19:40,443 --> 01:19:44,781 It's changed my view of our relationship. 1580 01:19:44,864 --> 01:19:48,326 Michael said that, "This is my mother's whole life. 1581 01:19:48,409 --> 01:19:49,994 It would be like throwing her whole life away 1582 01:19:50,077 --> 01:19:53,456 if I didn't do something with them." 1583 01:19:53,539 --> 01:19:57,960 It was really a full-time job for a year and a half. 1584 01:19:58,044 --> 01:20:01,005 I donated a lot of books to a charity that uses 1585 01:20:01,088 --> 01:20:04,967 second-hand books to teach at-risk youths. 1586 01:20:05,051 --> 01:20:07,637 Got rid of the Apple computers, 1587 01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:10,765 but no one would take the tapes, 1588 01:20:10,848 --> 01:20:13,267 no one. 1589 01:20:13,351 --> 01:20:17,188 So we decided to take all the tapes and put 'em in a pod. 1590 01:20:17,271 --> 01:20:19,190 They were like 16 foot long, 1591 01:20:19,273 --> 01:20:22,026 8 foot high, and 8 foot wide, 1592 01:20:22,109 --> 01:20:24,111 and put 'em in storage until 1593 01:20:24,195 --> 01:20:27,114 something could be worked out. 1594 01:20:27,198 --> 01:20:31,035 We were very afraid nobody wants these 1595 01:20:31,118 --> 01:20:33,788 and they'll all just be thrown in the trash. 1596 01:20:33,871 --> 01:20:39,043 ♪ 1597 01:20:49,095 --> 01:20:50,805 Well, let me just put this out there. 1598 01:20:50,888 --> 01:20:54,016 This story just hits home with us newsies, us news junkies. 1599 01:20:54,100 --> 01:20:57,395 Every news broadcast for 35 years 1600 01:20:57,478 --> 01:20:59,897 is about to be preserved for posterity. 1601 01:20:59,981 --> 01:21:03,568 Thirty-five years, and for that we have this woman to thank, 1602 01:21:03,651 --> 01:21:05,486 the late Marion Stokes. 1603 01:21:05,570 --> 01:21:09,991 Marion Stokes hit record way back in 1977. 1604 01:21:10,074 --> 01:21:13,744 She didn't stop until December of 2012. 1605 01:21:13,828 --> 01:21:17,540 All of that history arriving today by truck at an archive 1606 01:21:17,623 --> 01:21:20,042 in San Francisco from Stokes' home. 1607 01:21:20,126 --> 01:21:22,753 With me now from Philadelphia is Marion Stokes' son, 1608 01:21:22,837 --> 01:21:26,549 Mike Metelits, and we are also joined by Roger Macdonald 1609 01:21:26,632 --> 01:21:29,385 of the Internet Archive in San Francisco. 1610 01:21:29,468 --> 01:21:31,679 But first, Roger, to you, tell me 1611 01:21:31,762 --> 01:21:35,182 how rare is this collection from Marion Stokes? 1612 01:21:35,266 --> 01:21:36,642 It's an exceptional collection, 1613 01:21:36,726 --> 01:21:40,104 really an unprecedented collection. 1614 01:21:40,187 --> 01:21:41,939 I first heard of Marion Stokes 1615 01:21:42,023 --> 01:21:45,192 from an email from Michael. 1616 01:21:45,276 --> 01:21:47,695 I was just amazed that somebody 1617 01:21:47,778 --> 01:21:49,906 had actually done this at this size, 1618 01:21:49,989 --> 01:21:52,241 the magnitude of it. 1619 01:21:52,325 --> 01:21:53,951 And he took the stuff. 1620 01:21:54,035 --> 01:21:55,536 We shipped it across the country, 1621 01:21:55,620 --> 01:21:57,872 a couple, a couple of trucks, and a huge load 1622 01:21:57,955 --> 01:21:59,999 was lifted from my shoulders, 1623 01:22:00,082 --> 01:22:04,670 and it's just been a staggering, staggering, uh, relief. 1624 01:22:04,754 --> 01:22:06,422 That we just felt like, you know, 1625 01:22:06,505 --> 01:22:09,759 a miracle had happened that someone was willing 1626 01:22:09,842 --> 01:22:12,178 to take them in to, you know, 1627 01:22:12,261 --> 01:22:14,889 make them accessible to the public. 1628 01:22:14,972 --> 01:22:18,225 ♪ 1629 01:22:18,309 --> 01:22:20,645 They arrived in our warehouse in Richmond 1630 01:22:20,728 --> 01:22:23,856 in truck after truck. 1631 01:22:23,940 --> 01:22:26,442 I think the scale of Marion Stokes' collection 1632 01:22:26,525 --> 01:22:30,029 is absolutely unprecedented. 1633 01:22:30,112 --> 01:22:35,451 Nobody in this field has ever heard or seen the like. 1634 01:22:35,534 --> 01:22:39,914 What she recorded is inaccessible to us. 1635 01:22:39,997 --> 01:22:42,208 All the long form programming that she got, 1636 01:22:42,291 --> 01:22:45,294 all the CNN, all the FOX. 1637 01:22:45,378 --> 01:22:47,088 And then there's the local news. 1638 01:22:47,171 --> 01:22:49,048 That's a rare collection. 1639 01:22:49,131 --> 01:22:52,301 There are probably elements that she has that nobody has. 1640 01:22:52,385 --> 01:22:54,262 She understood the power of media 1641 01:22:54,345 --> 01:22:56,389 to shape public opinion and when-- 1642 01:22:56,472 --> 01:22:57,682 One of my mother's dreams was that 1643 01:22:57,765 --> 01:23:00,267 that would be available to people. 1644 01:23:00,351 --> 01:23:02,311 As an only child, you know, 1645 01:23:02,395 --> 01:23:04,855 just to be able to take my mother's life's work 1646 01:23:04,939 --> 01:23:06,983 and to be able to participate in someone 1647 01:23:07,066 --> 01:23:09,402 making it available to people, 1648 01:23:09,485 --> 01:23:13,823 that's, that's just enormously gratifying. 1649 01:23:13,906 --> 01:23:16,826 ♪ 1650 01:23:16,909 --> 01:23:20,705 Our intention and goal is to digitize them, 1651 01:23:20,788 --> 01:23:23,624 put everything that she has on our servers 1652 01:23:23,708 --> 01:23:26,460 to hold onto it for future generations 1653 01:23:26,544 --> 01:23:28,963 and make it available. 1654 01:23:29,046 --> 01:23:32,174 What we're offering is to search television by keyword. 1655 01:23:32,258 --> 01:23:34,218 ♪ 1656 01:23:34,301 --> 01:23:35,928 When we sent them the test box, 1657 01:23:36,012 --> 01:23:37,722 they immediately began to realize 1658 01:23:37,805 --> 01:23:39,557 that the early days of my mother's taping 1659 01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:41,767 were also the early days of closed captioning. 1660 01:23:41,851 --> 01:23:45,896 They can use the closed captioning as a tag 1661 01:23:45,980 --> 01:23:48,983 that lets people know and search what's happening 1662 01:23:49,066 --> 01:23:50,818 in the actual videotape. 1663 01:23:50,901 --> 01:23:53,320 ♪ 1664 01:23:53,404 --> 01:23:56,157 The Internet Archive is able to make these tapes accessible 1665 01:23:56,240 --> 01:24:00,244 in a much more technology savvy way. 1666 01:24:00,327 --> 01:24:02,288 Now there's so much media. 1667 01:24:02,371 --> 01:24:05,833 More than ever people need access to reliable information 1668 01:24:05,916 --> 01:24:07,710 to make their decisions, 1669 01:24:07,793 --> 01:24:09,503 and that was very much what my mother 1670 01:24:09,587 --> 01:24:12,506 would have wanted to do. 1671 01:24:12,590 --> 01:24:15,009 Decades worth of television broadcasts 1672 01:24:15,092 --> 01:24:17,887 is irretrievably lost. 1673 01:24:17,970 --> 01:24:22,099 An archive redeems the object of its collecting 1674 01:24:22,183 --> 01:24:25,144 from the trash can of history. 1675 01:24:25,227 --> 01:24:28,314 Effectively you will only know afterwards 1676 01:24:28,397 --> 01:24:30,399 what is important to have collected, 1677 01:24:30,483 --> 01:24:33,944 so the more you have, the more you can then go back 1678 01:24:34,028 --> 01:24:36,906 and say, "Hm, this is actually important." 1679 01:24:36,989 --> 01:24:40,409 ♪ 1680 01:24:40,493 --> 01:24:45,247 All archives create futures. 1681 01:24:45,331 --> 01:24:47,750 When looking at the underlying instincts 1682 01:24:47,833 --> 01:24:51,087 that drives collection and preservation, 1683 01:24:51,170 --> 01:24:55,508 there is this human drive to transcend time, 1684 01:24:55,591 --> 01:24:58,469 not willing to let go of any moment, 1685 01:24:58,552 --> 01:25:00,888 and the realization that 1686 01:25:00,971 --> 01:25:02,681 the past is never let go. 1687 01:25:02,765 --> 01:25:07,228 ♪ 1688 01:25:07,311 --> 01:25:09,438 The fact that she kept all this stuff, 1689 01:25:09,522 --> 01:25:11,774 when other people call up that they wanted to save it 1690 01:25:11,857 --> 01:25:14,693 20 years after she started, that's smart. 1691 01:25:14,777 --> 01:25:16,904 ♪ 1692 01:25:16,987 --> 01:25:18,447 She had an incredible ability 1693 01:25:18,531 --> 01:25:20,991 to see trends and to act on them. 1694 01:25:21,075 --> 01:25:23,828 ♪ 1695 01:25:23,911 --> 01:25:26,038 It's difficult not to call her a visionary, 1696 01:25:26,122 --> 01:25:28,124 really difficult to pull that tag away from her. 1697 01:25:28,207 --> 01:25:30,584 ♪ 1698 01:25:30,668 --> 01:25:33,295 She was very, very much ahead of her time. 1699 01:25:33,379 --> 01:25:41,095 ♪ 1700 01:25:41,178 --> 01:25:43,973 She did give up a lot in terms of what, you know, 1701 01:25:44,056 --> 01:25:46,100 people think of as kind of a normal human life, 1702 01:25:46,183 --> 01:25:49,353 but she funneled all that energy into doing things 1703 01:25:49,436 --> 01:25:51,188 that she felt were important to her, 1704 01:25:51,272 --> 01:25:55,025 that were gonna be important in the long run. 1705 01:25:55,109 --> 01:25:58,779 It was hard for me and the family, 1706 01:25:58,863 --> 01:26:02,158 but I loved her. 1707 01:26:02,241 --> 01:26:05,995 ♪ 1708 01:26:10,416 --> 01:28:08,284 ♪ 140230

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