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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:22,070 --> 00:00:22,904 Fishie? 2 00:00:23,780 --> 00:00:25,448 Fishies say nothing. 3 00:00:25,532 --> 00:00:27,200 You're right. Fishies don't say anything. 4 00:00:27,283 --> 00:00:31,287 We don't get TV in this house. We all have computers. 5 00:00:31,412 --> 00:00:33,164 My daughter and my son are three and two 6 00:00:33,248 --> 00:00:34,874 and they each have their own computers 7 00:00:34,958 --> 00:00:38,378 and they're lined up next to mommy's computers. 8 00:00:39,879 --> 00:00:42,173 My little girl is really, really super smart. 9 00:00:42,257 --> 00:00:44,425 She can use a computer really well. 10 00:00:44,509 --> 00:00:48,346 She surfs around online and she uses Photoshop and Word. 11 00:00:48,429 --> 00:00:49,556 She's only three years old. 12 00:00:49,806 --> 00:00:52,517 She can read and write and use a computer just like an adult. 13 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:53,643 She's pretty amazing. 14 00:00:53,726 --> 00:00:55,603 I didn't plan to be a single mom 15 00:00:55,687 --> 00:00:57,355 or to be stuck in the middle of the desert 16 00:00:57,438 --> 00:00:58,565 where I don't know anybody. 17 00:00:58,648 --> 00:01:00,275 It's just of all been thrown for a loop. 18 00:01:04,696 --> 00:01:06,406 So, then I said, "We got to arrest him," 19 00:01:06,489 --> 00:01:09,659 so we arrested him. And he cried like a baby, didn't he? 20 00:01:09,742 --> 00:01:13,788 "I can't go back to jail!" He just cried like a baby. I said, "Okay." 21 00:01:14,038 --> 00:01:17,417 I gave him the opportunity to make very small, reasonable payments. 22 00:01:17,750 --> 00:01:19,084 He didn't make any of them. 23 00:01:19,168 --> 00:01:20,253 I warned him if he didn't, 24 00:01:20,336 --> 00:01:22,338 I'd come and take his grandma's car. 25 00:01:22,714 --> 00:01:24,424 That's what he forced us to do. 26 00:01:24,507 --> 00:01:25,717 The day that I took this car, 27 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:27,927 his little 87-year-old grandma or mother 28 00:01:28,052 --> 00:01:30,638 was out there with her walker, watching us take her car. 29 00:01:30,722 --> 00:01:32,932 It was one of the hardest things I've ever had to do. 30 00:01:33,016 --> 00:01:34,726 But you know what? Business is business. 31 00:01:38,146 --> 00:01:40,523 So, now the clay is pretty much conditioned, 32 00:01:40,607 --> 00:01:42,358 it's ready to be worked with. 33 00:01:42,442 --> 00:01:45,403 We're gonna give ourselves a base, 34 00:01:45,486 --> 00:01:47,655 and then he will be put into action. 35 00:01:47,739 --> 00:01:51,117 I would see if he can find a girlfriend 36 00:01:51,242 --> 00:01:54,162 since he's gone through this radical surgical procedure 37 00:01:54,245 --> 00:01:56,581 to have his penis reinstalled. 38 00:01:56,664 --> 00:01:58,249 Imagine how happy he is when he wakes up 39 00:01:58,333 --> 00:02:01,210 and finds out he's got a dick again. 40 00:02:02,712 --> 00:02:05,173 That's a big day in a coyote's life. 41 00:02:06,549 --> 00:02:08,926 And I knew that getting this opportunity 42 00:02:09,010 --> 00:02:10,261 to be on a mainstream show... 43 00:02:10,345 --> 00:02:12,805 I knew my whole life, once I got out to LA, 44 00:02:12,889 --> 00:02:15,725 once I could get on a reality show 45 00:02:15,808 --> 00:02:18,269 and get the opportunity to show people about me, 46 00:02:18,353 --> 00:02:20,563 that would be the big thing I need to move mainstream. 47 00:02:20,647 --> 00:02:22,774 I just need that one opportunity to get there. 48 00:02:22,857 --> 00:02:25,568 No! What happens is, you're trying to put it in, 49 00:02:25,652 --> 00:02:28,446 it bends. It's better if it's a solid one. 50 00:02:28,529 --> 00:02:30,823 -That's reality right there. -No, I'm not kidding. 51 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,078 But one like this, it goes faster. 52 00:02:37,455 --> 00:02:41,834 And it comes from the story of the Old Testament, the story of Hosea. 53 00:02:42,460 --> 00:02:45,129 And this is kind of a modern day adaptation of that. 54 00:02:45,213 --> 00:02:47,006 That's just all God. 55 00:02:47,090 --> 00:02:48,591 God is amazing. 56 00:02:48,675 --> 00:02:50,968 -God bless you and take care. -Thank you. 57 00:02:52,053 --> 00:02:53,888 I'm definitely still growing spiritually. 58 00:02:53,971 --> 00:02:55,723 I don't think you can ever quit growing. 59 00:02:55,848 --> 00:02:59,060 There's always room to get closer to God 60 00:02:59,143 --> 00:03:01,813 and things to learn about him, 61 00:03:03,564 --> 00:03:05,817 and ways to change your life and to improve. 62 00:03:07,192 --> 00:03:09,404 -It is a mess. -You're a mess. 63 00:03:09,487 --> 00:03:10,613 It's a mess. 64 00:03:10,697 --> 00:03:14,075 But that's the way gnocchis are. A little bit of a mess. 65 00:03:14,158 --> 00:03:17,704 It's, like, a guy told me once, when he was painting me. 66 00:03:17,787 --> 00:03:19,664 Is that how it was more basic and then he... 67 00:03:19,747 --> 00:03:21,457 It was just a painting I did 68 00:03:21,541 --> 00:03:24,377 and then one day I took it out and I just started painting 69 00:03:24,460 --> 00:03:27,755 all this other stuff in there and just went in with these reds. 70 00:03:27,839 --> 00:03:30,466 I don't remember what it looked like before. I can't remember. 71 00:03:30,550 --> 00:03:32,093 Hard to keep a band together. 72 00:03:32,301 --> 00:03:36,013 I only wanted to play with guys that I really loved playing with. 73 00:03:36,139 --> 00:03:38,349 'Cause it all comes together. It's like summer theater. 74 00:03:39,809 --> 00:03:43,938 "I got a barn!" "I got the instruments!" 75 00:03:44,021 --> 00:03:46,149 "We'll put our own show on!" 76 00:03:46,232 --> 00:03:48,192 It still has that element. 77 00:03:48,276 --> 00:03:51,988 This is one of the Chinatown series. 78 00:03:52,071 --> 00:03:54,031 From my hometown. 79 00:03:54,115 --> 00:03:57,076 After the mill closed. I mean, pretty much closed. 80 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:58,870 What'd you get last year for your birthday 81 00:03:58,953 --> 00:04:01,622 -from Aunt Lynny? -A Power Ranger suit. 82 00:04:01,831 --> 00:04:04,625 You got what? No, you didn't! That was for Halloween. 83 00:04:04,709 --> 00:04:06,586 You got an electric guitar. 84 00:04:06,669 --> 00:04:08,463 Electric guitar. 85 00:04:08,546 --> 00:04:11,466 A real electric guitar. 86 00:04:11,549 --> 00:04:12,842 Why? 'Cause you told Aunt Lynny 87 00:04:12,925 --> 00:04:14,552 you wanted to grow up to be a rock star. 88 00:04:15,970 --> 00:04:19,474 I just see a beautiful girl and I just want to hug her. 89 00:04:19,599 --> 00:04:21,851 Well, I really love this one right here. 90 00:04:22,685 --> 00:04:24,520 I currently reach out to women and men 91 00:04:24,604 --> 00:04:27,106 in the sex and porn industry 92 00:04:27,273 --> 00:04:30,693 and I absolutely love pulling them out of the pit, 93 00:04:30,777 --> 00:04:32,653 the porn industry pit. 94 00:04:32,737 --> 00:04:35,031 It's 1,800 square feet 95 00:04:35,114 --> 00:04:39,786 and the guest house is around 600 square feet. 96 00:04:39,869 --> 00:04:42,330 That little garage area, I don't know. 97 00:04:42,413 --> 00:04:45,917 It took me about a year to really get serious 98 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:47,627 about studying. 99 00:04:47,794 --> 00:04:51,297 And it took me three times to pass the test, 100 00:04:51,464 --> 00:04:53,174 but I did it 101 00:04:54,926 --> 00:04:56,135 and here I am. 102 00:04:57,261 --> 00:04:58,513 Got into real estate. 103 00:04:58,596 --> 00:05:00,181 I've been in it for five years. 104 00:05:02,099 --> 00:05:03,601 -For him? -Yep. 105 00:05:03,726 --> 00:05:05,394 Dark and mild? 106 00:05:05,478 --> 00:05:07,688 -No, he likes the dark, heavy. -Dark and heavy. 107 00:05:07,772 --> 00:05:11,901 When I'm at home, I run around with no makeup on, 108 00:05:11,984 --> 00:05:14,529 a pair of sweatpants, barefoot, a T-shirt, 109 00:05:14,612 --> 00:05:17,073 and I'm usually out in the yard, digging 110 00:05:17,156 --> 00:05:19,992 because I like to plant things. I like to grow things. 111 00:05:20,117 --> 00:05:21,702 Or decorating my house. 112 00:05:21,786 --> 00:05:26,541 I like to do crafty things. Like, you know, I don't-- 113 00:05:26,624 --> 00:05:28,960 I know I don't seem like the domestic goddess, 114 00:05:29,043 --> 00:05:32,046 but I like to make things for the house 115 00:05:32,255 --> 00:05:34,715 and I love to cook. 116 00:05:34,799 --> 00:05:36,592 And I'm a very good cook. 117 00:05:36,676 --> 00:05:42,390 I had a little bit of some bad, terrible, terrible news 118 00:05:42,765 --> 00:05:43,891 this April. 119 00:05:43,975 --> 00:05:48,521 I was diagnosed with stage three melanoma cancer. 120 00:05:48,604 --> 00:05:50,523 So, for the past four or five months, 121 00:05:50,606 --> 00:05:53,025 I've been dealing with that and on chemo. 122 00:05:53,192 --> 00:05:56,361 They recommended complete dissection of the lymph nodes, 123 00:05:56,445 --> 00:05:59,824 and then to be on heavy-dose interferon, 124 00:05:59,949 --> 00:06:01,784 which would be intravenous, 125 00:06:01,868 --> 00:06:03,202 which I'd get five times a week 126 00:06:03,786 --> 00:06:06,414 for the first month and then after that, 127 00:06:06,539 --> 00:06:11,752 three times a week for 11 months, for the rest of the year. 128 00:06:11,919 --> 00:06:16,090 And it's been tough. 129 00:06:16,173 --> 00:06:18,134 It's actually great here because... 130 00:06:18,217 --> 00:06:20,385 How many porno stars live here? 131 00:06:20,553 --> 00:06:22,054 There's some more coming in. 132 00:06:22,138 --> 00:06:25,016 Sunset, Houston. 133 00:06:25,099 --> 00:06:26,893 Taylor St. Claire just moved here. 134 00:06:27,059 --> 00:06:29,520 Whatever happened to... She was really hot. I loved her. 135 00:06:29,604 --> 00:06:32,148 What happened to that... God damn it. 136 00:06:32,231 --> 00:06:34,399 I don't know their names. I'm bad with this. 137 00:06:34,483 --> 00:06:36,152 You remember their tits. Yeah. 138 00:06:36,319 --> 00:06:39,488 Oh, God, she was... That doesn't make any difference. 139 00:06:39,572 --> 00:06:42,366 She was living here for a long time. She was so hot. 140 00:06:42,450 --> 00:06:43,451 Racquel Darrian! 141 00:06:43,534 --> 00:06:45,995 Yeah. She just moved out of town. 142 00:06:46,078 --> 00:06:47,705 Yeah, she just moved out of town. 143 00:06:47,788 --> 00:06:49,832 And that's the only thing I missed out on in life. 144 00:06:49,916 --> 00:06:51,709 I've done pretty much everything I wanted. 145 00:06:51,792 --> 00:06:54,170 I did want to have kids. Didn't have the opportunity. 146 00:06:54,253 --> 00:06:57,214 Didn't meet the right woman at the right time. 147 00:06:57,298 --> 00:06:58,966 So I do kind of miss out on that. 148 00:06:59,717 --> 00:07:02,637 But nobody gets everything. 149 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,640 There's other guys that have great kids and they love every minute of it. 150 00:07:05,723 --> 00:07:09,769 They kind of wish they were me, fantasy-wise, 151 00:07:09,894 --> 00:07:11,354 but nobody gets everything. 152 00:07:12,688 --> 00:07:19,654 AFTER PORN ENDS 153 00:07:21,489 --> 00:07:23,324 I started modeling in ninth grade. 154 00:07:23,407 --> 00:07:25,117 My mom put me through modeling school, 155 00:07:25,242 --> 00:07:26,994 graduated from modeling school, 156 00:07:27,119 --> 00:07:29,497 started doing beauty pageants 157 00:07:29,580 --> 00:07:33,376 and model searches and bikini contests. 158 00:07:33,459 --> 00:07:35,878 So, I was exposed 159 00:07:36,087 --> 00:07:39,632 to not so much the adult industry, 160 00:07:39,715 --> 00:07:43,219 but just knowing that I could make money with my body. 161 00:07:43,302 --> 00:07:47,098 I had a roommate at the time that was a dancer 162 00:07:47,181 --> 00:07:50,184 and she knew an agent. His name was Jim Salf. 163 00:07:50,267 --> 00:07:53,396 He said, "Hey, there's a producer that saw your picture, 164 00:07:53,479 --> 00:07:55,064 and he'd like you to come do a movie. 165 00:07:55,147 --> 00:07:56,649 How would you like to do a movie?" 166 00:07:56,732 --> 00:08:00,361 And I said, "Well, I've never done a movie before, 167 00:08:00,444 --> 00:08:02,571 but sure, I could do it. No problem." 168 00:08:02,655 --> 00:08:06,075 I went down and I had braids like Bo Derek at the time 169 00:08:06,158 --> 00:08:09,286 and did my first scene. It was a three-way. 170 00:08:09,370 --> 00:08:12,248 I had never even been with a woman. 171 00:08:12,331 --> 00:08:14,458 I didn't know what to do with a woman, 172 00:08:14,542 --> 00:08:17,253 I had no idea what I was doing. 173 00:08:17,336 --> 00:08:19,171 But the minute those lights hit me, 174 00:08:19,255 --> 00:08:21,340 I swear that was where I was supposed to be. 175 00:08:21,424 --> 00:08:24,301 Everyone said, "Do it, do it, do it." 176 00:08:24,385 --> 00:08:26,220 The more you do, the more money you can make 177 00:08:26,303 --> 00:08:29,807 dancing on the dance circuit, the more magazines you can do, 178 00:08:29,890 --> 00:08:32,768 the more you're exposed, you can... 179 00:08:32,852 --> 00:08:34,979 I mean, I have a sex toy line. 180 00:08:35,062 --> 00:08:38,399 "Now we want to do an action figure of you." "Okay!" 181 00:08:38,482 --> 00:08:41,277 I mean, all of it was just like, "Cool!" 182 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,071 "Sign me up! Sure!" 183 00:08:44,155 --> 00:08:47,867 I was just having a blast. I mean, there were fans 184 00:08:47,950 --> 00:08:51,746 lined up for miles and miles and miles that flew... 185 00:08:51,829 --> 00:08:54,707 Some people came from Poland and Berlin. 186 00:08:54,790 --> 00:08:57,543 And come to think of it, when I went to Poland 187 00:08:57,710 --> 00:09:00,755 to sign autographs and whatever, 188 00:09:00,838 --> 00:09:03,132 when I got off the plane, I needed a bodyguard. 189 00:09:03,215 --> 00:09:05,760 I mean, for a porn star 190 00:09:05,843 --> 00:09:10,014 to be that big around the world, 191 00:09:10,097 --> 00:09:11,390 it was unbelievable. 192 00:09:11,474 --> 00:09:14,643 I felt like I was a true superstar. 193 00:09:14,727 --> 00:09:17,730 People were knocking each other down. 194 00:09:17,813 --> 00:09:20,107 Here's Houston! 195 00:09:25,738 --> 00:09:27,907 Over the Dalai Lama in the newspaper. 196 00:09:27,990 --> 00:09:31,786 I was the headliner. I mean, that's unbelievable. 197 00:09:31,869 --> 00:09:33,412 I was still under contract. 198 00:09:33,496 --> 00:09:37,249 I was with Metro Productions for a few years. 199 00:09:37,333 --> 00:09:40,044 And they're the ones that also produced the Houston 500, 200 00:09:40,127 --> 00:09:42,379 the world's biggest gang bang. 201 00:09:42,463 --> 00:09:46,342 At that point, when I first signed with Metro, 202 00:09:46,425 --> 00:09:48,135 it was already known going in 203 00:09:48,219 --> 00:09:53,015 that I was gonna take over Jasmin St. Claire's title 204 00:09:53,099 --> 00:09:55,017 and do this gang bang. 205 00:09:55,101 --> 00:09:58,020 So, going into my contract with Metro, 206 00:09:58,104 --> 00:10:00,731 I already knew that I was gonna be doing that. 207 00:10:00,815 --> 00:10:04,401 So, I wasn't looking for things to... 208 00:10:04,485 --> 00:10:08,030 "I've got to be more crazy and wild." 209 00:10:08,114 --> 00:10:11,742 Honestly, it just all came to me naturally. 210 00:10:11,826 --> 00:10:14,245 I mean, I had a labiaplasty, 211 00:10:14,328 --> 00:10:16,872 and that was before a lot of women even knew 212 00:10:16,956 --> 00:10:20,668 that they can get their labia trimmed if you have larger labia lips. 213 00:10:20,751 --> 00:10:24,171 And when I did that, it was like, "Oh." 214 00:10:24,255 --> 00:10:27,383 It was just a no-brainer. I'm gonna encase that in lucite 215 00:10:27,466 --> 00:10:29,718 and auction it, the trimmings. 216 00:10:29,802 --> 00:10:32,429 I mean, things just came to me. 217 00:10:32,513 --> 00:10:35,432 I was just a publicity whore. 218 00:10:35,516 --> 00:10:36,934 I was good at it. 219 00:10:37,017 --> 00:10:39,019 I had invested my money. 220 00:10:39,103 --> 00:10:40,396 I bought a home 221 00:10:40,479 --> 00:10:44,441 as well as put a lot of money in mutual funds. 222 00:10:44,525 --> 00:10:48,154 And many years ago, when the stock market went kaput, 223 00:10:48,237 --> 00:10:52,032 I lost almost all my savings. 224 00:10:52,116 --> 00:10:54,160 And that hurt me. 225 00:10:54,243 --> 00:10:57,413 But I did still have my house that I owned in LA, 226 00:10:57,496 --> 00:10:59,748 and then when things got rough, of course I sold it. 227 00:10:59,832 --> 00:11:01,167 Not for financial reasons, 228 00:11:01,250 --> 00:11:03,127 but when I wanted to get out of the industry. 229 00:11:04,170 --> 00:11:06,213 I'm Professor of Communications Studies 230 00:11:06,589 --> 00:11:09,300 and Psychology at UCLA. 231 00:11:09,383 --> 00:11:12,469 I study a variety of topics, 232 00:11:12,595 --> 00:11:16,432 but one of the major areas that I study is pornography. 233 00:11:17,141 --> 00:11:20,811 Let's see. So, since 1984, I've done about 600 films, 234 00:11:20,895 --> 00:11:23,480 about 1,000 scenes, give or take. 235 00:11:24,982 --> 00:11:28,068 I've won several dozen awards for acting and sex performances 236 00:11:28,152 --> 00:11:30,988 and fan favorite and this and that. 237 00:11:31,071 --> 00:11:33,991 I think I might be up this year for Best Non-Sex Role 238 00:11:34,074 --> 00:11:37,536 'cause I've also moved into the occasional character part 239 00:11:37,620 --> 00:11:39,663 that doesn't involve having sex. 240 00:11:39,747 --> 00:11:41,624 I write about the sex industry 241 00:11:41,749 --> 00:11:48,005 pretty much from the fall of 1995 until the fall of 2007. 242 00:11:48,088 --> 00:11:50,591 A History of X: 100 Years of Sex in Film 243 00:11:50,674 --> 00:11:52,176 is the name of my first book. 244 00:11:52,259 --> 00:11:54,220 I've been in the adult entertainment industry 245 00:11:54,428 --> 00:11:58,015 for basically 35, 36 years in every capacity. 246 00:11:58,098 --> 00:12:02,686 I started as a writer, became an actor, director, agent. 247 00:12:02,770 --> 00:12:06,774 And now I'm sort of the papa bear to the adult entertainment industry, 248 00:12:06,857 --> 00:12:09,777 Protecting Adult Welfare, which I run, 249 00:12:09,860 --> 00:12:12,279 and watch over the overaged juvenile delinquents 250 00:12:12,363 --> 00:12:14,281 in what I refer to as the playpen of the damned, 251 00:12:14,365 --> 00:12:15,950 which is the X-rated industry. 252 00:12:16,075 --> 00:12:18,410 What we give them in the adult entertainment industry 253 00:12:18,494 --> 00:12:20,745 for a brief, shiny moment, 254 00:12:20,871 --> 00:12:23,457 is immortality, validation and credibility. 255 00:12:23,540 --> 00:12:25,000 Every one of us, 256 00:12:25,084 --> 00:12:28,087 no matter how insignificant we may think we are, 257 00:12:28,170 --> 00:12:31,382 wants to be recognized at one time or another in our lives. 258 00:12:31,465 --> 00:12:34,093 When you went to those conventions, they lined up at your booth 259 00:12:34,176 --> 00:12:38,055 like they were getting signatures from professional athletes. 260 00:12:38,138 --> 00:12:39,306 My parents divorced. 261 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:43,686 My dad took us far away from our mother, ran away with us. 262 00:12:43,768 --> 00:12:45,312 He became an alcoholic. 263 00:12:45,396 --> 00:12:47,564 Then I moved in with my mom 264 00:12:47,648 --> 00:12:49,817 and the family relationship changed. 265 00:12:49,900 --> 00:12:51,694 I felt kind of lost. 266 00:12:51,776 --> 00:12:53,778 I worked a regular job 267 00:12:55,572 --> 00:12:57,700 in an office for five years. 268 00:12:57,782 --> 00:13:03,163 But while I was doing those things, I also found a modeling website 269 00:13:03,289 --> 00:13:06,750 and I put my pictures on the website. 270 00:13:06,834 --> 00:13:09,420 And then, I was still working in the office, 271 00:13:09,503 --> 00:13:13,674 but people were emailing me about doing shoots. 272 00:13:13,757 --> 00:13:16,635 And I thought it would be cool 273 00:13:16,719 --> 00:13:19,972 to do bikini stuff or... 274 00:13:20,055 --> 00:13:23,183 Even though I never really even walked around in bikinis, 275 00:13:23,267 --> 00:13:26,312 I thought it would be kind of neat. 276 00:13:26,395 --> 00:13:30,607 So, eventually, I did take a job doing... 277 00:13:30,691 --> 00:13:32,985 They were only asking me to do nudes, 278 00:13:33,068 --> 00:13:35,029 and eventually I just did it. 279 00:13:35,112 --> 00:13:38,073 I went to my first shoot in a hotel room, 280 00:13:38,157 --> 00:13:41,826 and it was just supposed to be topless 281 00:13:41,910 --> 00:13:45,247 and it was really scary. 282 00:13:49,418 --> 00:13:50,835 It was weird. 283 00:13:50,919 --> 00:13:54,089 Well, ever since I got into the business, 284 00:13:54,173 --> 00:13:58,093 I always got emails that said that, "You don't look quite comfortable." 285 00:13:58,177 --> 00:14:01,680 And I think that it was the innocence 286 00:14:01,764 --> 00:14:04,975 that attracted a lot of my fans, 287 00:14:05,059 --> 00:14:07,686 is that I didn't look totally comfortable in anything I did. 288 00:14:07,770 --> 00:14:09,772 Even if I was speaking, I didn't look comfortable. 289 00:14:09,854 --> 00:14:13,275 I never looked confident. I wasn't very verbal. 290 00:14:13,359 --> 00:14:17,946 I wasn't over the top with noises or anything. 291 00:14:19,615 --> 00:14:21,700 I don't know. I just started feeling 292 00:14:21,784 --> 00:14:23,869 really depressed about it, honestly. 293 00:14:23,952 --> 00:14:29,416 And then I hit rock bottom, myself, emotionally, 294 00:14:29,541 --> 00:14:31,960 where I got really upset 295 00:14:32,044 --> 00:14:36,382 and I'd go in the bathroom and I threw a glass on the ground. 296 00:14:36,465 --> 00:14:41,345 And then I was just crying, fall to the ground, 297 00:14:41,428 --> 00:14:44,598 and just started pounding my wrists into the glass 298 00:14:44,681 --> 00:14:47,518 and blood just started going everywhere. 299 00:14:48,894 --> 00:14:51,480 I don't know. I just kind of lost that hope. 300 00:14:51,563 --> 00:14:53,399 I did have a stalker. 301 00:14:53,565 --> 00:14:57,403 He started off just sending me hate mail. He's an atheist. 302 00:14:57,486 --> 00:15:00,531 So he was pretty much putting down what I believe in 303 00:15:00,614 --> 00:15:02,783 and trying to get me to debate him. 304 00:15:02,866 --> 00:15:06,412 He became obsessed with me 305 00:15:06,495 --> 00:15:09,498 and developed this crush on me. 306 00:15:09,581 --> 00:15:11,583 And then I told him we would never date, 307 00:15:11,667 --> 00:15:13,502 "I don't know you, I don't know where you live, 308 00:15:13,627 --> 00:15:15,921 you're too young," blah, blah, blah. 309 00:15:16,004 --> 00:15:18,465 And he flipped out. 310 00:15:19,675 --> 00:15:21,844 The thing that pushed me to the edge was that he said 311 00:15:21,927 --> 00:15:25,013 he wanted to bash my head into the concrete 312 00:15:25,097 --> 00:15:26,849 till my brains spilled out 313 00:15:26,932 --> 00:15:29,393 and then kill my cat and stuff like that. 314 00:15:29,476 --> 00:15:33,188 A few fans had emailed me the last year or so 315 00:15:33,272 --> 00:15:35,065 and said they were praying for me 316 00:15:35,149 --> 00:15:37,526 and that they were not looking at porn anymore. 317 00:15:37,609 --> 00:15:40,821 And then I had this other guy saying, "You need to put a warning 318 00:15:40,904 --> 00:15:42,698 on your website because kids can see this. 319 00:15:42,781 --> 00:15:45,075 My 14-year-old son found this." 320 00:15:45,159 --> 00:15:49,955 Just all kinds of people were sending me these random emails, 321 00:15:50,038 --> 00:15:53,834 and of course I was always kind of sympathetic 322 00:15:53,917 --> 00:15:57,087 to whatever they said, 323 00:15:57,171 --> 00:16:00,507 but I was still kind of hardened, too, at the same time, 324 00:16:00,591 --> 00:16:02,384 because I was like, "I can't do anything else. 325 00:16:02,468 --> 00:16:06,305 This is what I'm good at. This is all that I know." 326 00:16:06,388 --> 00:16:09,600 And I kind of believed it at the time. 327 00:16:09,683 --> 00:16:11,643 I didn't have anybody 328 00:16:11,727 --> 00:16:14,938 saying, "You're better than that." 329 00:16:15,022 --> 00:16:16,106 So... 330 00:16:17,524 --> 00:16:20,027 Some adult stars do "find God" and leave, 331 00:16:20,110 --> 00:16:24,615 but those are people who needed to be gone anyway 332 00:16:24,698 --> 00:16:26,533 and didn't have the personal strength to do it. 333 00:16:26,658 --> 00:16:29,536 So they do look outside for something to help them leave. 334 00:16:29,620 --> 00:16:31,330 There are plenty of people in the business 335 00:16:31,413 --> 00:16:34,249 who really shouldn't be here, because they have conflict about... 336 00:16:34,333 --> 00:16:37,878 If I'd been raised to be ashamed of my body 337 00:16:37,961 --> 00:16:41,757 and to feel bad about men and their horrible desires, 338 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,092 but did porn for other reasons, 339 00:16:44,176 --> 00:16:47,846 eventually, the wheels are gonna come off the bus. 340 00:16:47,930 --> 00:16:50,682 I can only deny it so long. People try to deny. 341 00:16:50,766 --> 00:16:53,101 They stuff their feelings with drugs and alcohol 342 00:16:53,185 --> 00:16:54,561 or whatever it is. 343 00:16:54,645 --> 00:16:56,688 And after six months, one year, five years, 344 00:16:56,772 --> 00:16:58,524 ten years, whatever, and finally go, 345 00:16:58,607 --> 00:17:00,359 "You know what? I can't do this anymore." 346 00:17:00,442 --> 00:17:02,236 Because religion, especially western religion 347 00:17:02,319 --> 00:17:05,072 and especially Christianity, says, "I love you, 348 00:17:05,155 --> 00:17:08,033 I forgive you, you can come home now. 349 00:17:08,116 --> 00:17:10,202 And I will not push you out." 350 00:17:10,285 --> 00:17:12,955 And so that is incredibly powerful and incredibly potent, 351 00:17:13,038 --> 00:17:16,708 to have someone finally say, "I don't shame you. 352 00:17:16,792 --> 00:17:19,336 I love you. You're welcome here." 353 00:17:19,419 --> 00:17:20,921 "Sign me up!" 354 00:17:21,463 --> 00:17:24,258 When you're involved in this industry, you lose your humanity. 355 00:17:24,341 --> 00:17:26,176 You're no longer treated as a human being 356 00:17:26,260 --> 00:17:29,221 by 80% of people out there. 357 00:17:29,304 --> 00:17:30,973 You're now scum. 358 00:17:31,056 --> 00:17:34,184 They may want to do certain things with you. 359 00:17:34,268 --> 00:17:36,186 But then you're still scum. 360 00:17:36,270 --> 00:17:39,898 And they may be thrilled to have a roll in the sack with you, 361 00:17:39,982 --> 00:17:42,943 but when you leave, they're gonna want to burn the sheets. 362 00:17:44,027 --> 00:17:45,862 I got into porn by accident 363 00:17:46,071 --> 00:17:48,156 It wasn't something I planned on doing. 364 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,410 Probably might have been the least likely thing 365 00:17:51,535 --> 00:17:53,328 I thought I would've done. 366 00:17:53,412 --> 00:17:56,456 I was singing in bands after a baseball thing didn't work out. 367 00:17:57,833 --> 00:18:00,794 I knew I could sing, so I started singing in rock bands. 368 00:18:00,877 --> 00:18:02,754 And of course, like all struggling musicians, 369 00:18:02,838 --> 00:18:05,257 you got to make a little extra dough on the side. 370 00:18:05,340 --> 00:18:08,802 Actually, my first naked job, I was a nude art model 371 00:18:08,885 --> 00:18:11,555 for college art classes and stuff like that. 372 00:18:11,638 --> 00:18:13,724 And I was really kind of shy but not about my body, 373 00:18:13,807 --> 00:18:16,310 just about talking. I was kind of shy about talking. 374 00:18:16,393 --> 00:18:18,478 "I can get naked in front of people." So, I did that. 375 00:18:18,562 --> 00:18:20,188 And a couple girls in one of the classes 376 00:18:20,272 --> 00:18:23,233 asked if they can take pictures of me and they did. 377 00:18:23,317 --> 00:18:24,526 They came out good, they said, 378 00:18:24,610 --> 00:18:26,153 "Can we send them to some magazines?" 379 00:18:26,236 --> 00:18:28,614 I said, "I don't care. Do what you want." They sent 'em out. 380 00:18:28,697 --> 00:18:30,282 I got a letter from Playgirl. 381 00:18:30,365 --> 00:18:33,493 But High Society said they'd like to do a boy-girl thing. 382 00:18:33,619 --> 00:18:36,872 I said, "All right." So, that was the first thing I ever did. 383 00:18:36,955 --> 00:18:38,957 They had a woman editor. At the end of the shoot, 384 00:18:39,041 --> 00:18:42,586 she goes, "I noticed you were taking care of business pretty good. 385 00:18:42,669 --> 00:18:44,630 Did you ever think about doing a porn movie? 386 00:18:44,713 --> 00:18:46,006 'Cause I got some connections." 387 00:18:46,089 --> 00:18:49,259 I go, "I never really thought about it, no." 388 00:18:49,343 --> 00:18:51,928 She goes, "Well, I can get you 250 bucks." 389 00:18:52,012 --> 00:18:54,014 250 bucks, man! 390 00:18:54,097 --> 00:18:55,891 1978, that was some good cash. 391 00:18:55,974 --> 00:18:58,268 That's what I was making a week! 392 00:18:58,352 --> 00:19:00,604 So, I said, "All right. I'll try it." 393 00:19:00,687 --> 00:19:03,607 So, I did it, and guess I was good at it 394 00:19:03,690 --> 00:19:05,025 'cause they kept calling me back. 395 00:19:05,108 --> 00:19:07,736 And that's kind of how I got started. 396 00:19:07,819 --> 00:19:11,281 I used to say it's like borrowing somebody's body to masturbate with. 397 00:19:11,365 --> 00:19:12,616 "Excuse me. If you're not busy, 398 00:19:12,699 --> 00:19:15,452 you mind if I jerk off in your pussy with my dick?" 399 00:19:17,079 --> 00:19:19,164 It's kind of like that, which is not bad, 400 00:19:19,247 --> 00:19:21,750 better than real jerking off. 401 00:19:21,833 --> 00:19:23,669 Right after I started producing up-and-comers, 402 00:19:23,752 --> 00:19:25,754 I get this letter in the mail and I open it up 403 00:19:25,837 --> 00:19:29,424 and I see this unbelievably good-looking, 404 00:19:29,508 --> 00:19:34,971 very young-looking blond girl with beautiful natural boobs, 405 00:19:35,055 --> 00:19:36,723 little baby face, 406 00:19:36,807 --> 00:19:40,435 and she wants to know if I can help her get in the porn biz. 407 00:19:40,519 --> 00:19:42,312 Girl's name was Jenna Jameson. 408 00:19:42,396 --> 00:19:43,855 I said, "Holy Christ! 409 00:19:43,939 --> 00:19:46,525 If I get this girl to shoot for me, we're gonna sell some tapes. 410 00:19:46,608 --> 00:19:48,860 I said, "If you don't want to do guys, I'll let you pick 411 00:19:48,944 --> 00:19:50,278 whatever girl you want." 412 00:19:50,362 --> 00:19:51,697 She liked girls. 413 00:19:52,614 --> 00:19:55,033 So she picked this girl who I was working with that day, 414 00:19:55,117 --> 00:19:57,327 who was doing her first movie, Kylie Ireland. 415 00:19:57,411 --> 00:19:59,705 So Kylie and Jenna were doing their thing together 416 00:19:59,788 --> 00:20:02,624 and everything was going good. 417 00:20:03,625 --> 00:20:04,835 And they took a little break. 418 00:20:04,918 --> 00:20:07,587 While they were lying there, I think I said something like, 419 00:20:08,672 --> 00:20:12,300 "Man, Jenna, that's a tasty-looking pussy you got." 420 00:20:12,384 --> 00:20:15,262 And I believe she said, "Why don't you come in and taste it?" 421 00:20:15,387 --> 00:20:17,139 I went... 422 00:20:17,222 --> 00:20:20,851 "Okay." I was doing the camera, but I handed it to my assistant. 423 00:20:20,934 --> 00:20:24,187 "Bob, hold onto this. Start shooting." 424 00:20:24,271 --> 00:20:26,273 So, I get in there and I start going down on her 425 00:20:26,356 --> 00:20:30,026 and she starts squealing that little squeal that she had. 426 00:20:30,110 --> 00:20:32,446 I'm guessing she's kind of liking it, 427 00:20:32,529 --> 00:20:34,698 seemed like she was getting off and everything's good. 428 00:20:34,781 --> 00:20:37,117 I said "Man, I am so fucking horny now. 429 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,704 Would you mind maybe giving me a double blow job or something?" 430 00:20:40,787 --> 00:20:44,624 And they said, "Sure. We'll do that." I went, "Thank you." 431 00:20:44,708 --> 00:20:46,710 And they did and it went well 432 00:20:46,793 --> 00:20:50,213 and a week later she kind of called me back 433 00:20:50,297 --> 00:20:51,548 and said, "You weren't so bad. 434 00:20:51,631 --> 00:20:55,010 I think I could do a boy-girl scene with you." 435 00:20:55,093 --> 00:20:57,179 And the rest is kind of history after that. 436 00:20:57,262 --> 00:20:59,389 It's a Daddy Thing, number three. 437 00:20:59,514 --> 00:21:02,100 Old Randy making a comeback! Yeah! 438 00:21:02,184 --> 00:21:04,186 Still there, baby. No Viagra yet. 439 00:21:06,646 --> 00:21:08,231 And, you know, it's cool. 440 00:21:08,315 --> 00:21:11,693 You do your thing, you go home, you came, you relax, 441 00:21:11,777 --> 00:21:13,779 but I'm an affectionate kind of guy, 442 00:21:13,904 --> 00:21:15,572 and so I missed that part of it 443 00:21:15,655 --> 00:21:17,699 and that's why I still like having a relationship 444 00:21:17,783 --> 00:21:19,910 when it happens, you know. 445 00:21:19,993 --> 00:21:22,996 And, for example, Tera Patrick, man. 446 00:21:23,079 --> 00:21:27,209 Not only was she incredible in bed, but I just liked her, 447 00:21:27,292 --> 00:21:30,170 and that sense of humor and that craziness, 448 00:21:30,253 --> 00:21:31,797 a little bit different. 449 00:21:33,006 --> 00:21:35,342 So, I hadn't dated anybody in so long. 450 00:21:35,467 --> 00:21:39,262 When I met her, though, I forgot how to do it. 451 00:21:39,346 --> 00:21:41,056 And I did ask her out to dinner twice. 452 00:21:41,181 --> 00:21:43,558 We went out to dinner and had a good time. 453 00:21:43,642 --> 00:21:47,938 But I dropped her off at her place without asking her if I could come in. 454 00:21:49,314 --> 00:21:52,442 And I don't know. She might have thought it was weird. 455 00:21:52,526 --> 00:21:55,695 I already had sex with her a couple of times on camera. 456 00:21:55,779 --> 00:21:56,947 She might've thought it weird 457 00:21:57,030 --> 00:21:59,199 that I didn't want to come up and finish the date. 458 00:21:59,282 --> 00:22:02,410 But I was kind of showing her that I wasn't just there for the sex. 459 00:22:03,537 --> 00:22:05,622 And maybe it wasn't a good move 460 00:22:05,705 --> 00:22:08,375 'cause you leave a beautiful woman like that alone for too long, 461 00:22:08,458 --> 00:22:11,628 somebody else is gonna come along and somebody else did come along. 462 00:22:11,711 --> 00:22:12,712 And that was that. 463 00:22:12,796 --> 00:22:14,840 She made it today. This is Tera Patrick. 464 00:22:14,923 --> 00:22:15,924 Hello. 465 00:22:16,007 --> 00:22:18,468 And Tera is new in the business 466 00:22:18,552 --> 00:22:20,971 and hasn't even worked that often. 467 00:22:21,054 --> 00:22:22,681 -Apparently. -No. 468 00:22:25,100 --> 00:22:27,060 I'm just trying to pace myself right now. 469 00:22:27,143 --> 00:22:29,521 One of my all-time favorites. 470 00:22:35,110 --> 00:22:37,696 Most of the people who seek it out don't have means 471 00:22:37,779 --> 00:22:42,242 of making that kind of money by other means. 472 00:22:42,325 --> 00:22:44,536 Very few women say, 473 00:22:44,619 --> 00:22:46,329 "I'm going to become a surgeon 474 00:22:46,413 --> 00:22:49,624 or I'm going to become a pornography star." 475 00:22:49,791 --> 00:22:52,460 This country does not raise people with a very good work ethic. 476 00:22:52,544 --> 00:22:54,170 They don't know how to do anything else. 477 00:22:54,254 --> 00:22:59,467 They don't know how to do retail or how to do Excel spreadsheets. 478 00:22:59,551 --> 00:23:02,262 Many people who make their way to adult entertainment, 479 00:23:02,345 --> 00:23:05,473 like rock 'n' roll, are not suited for 9:00 to 5:00 work. 480 00:23:07,267 --> 00:23:11,646 I ran away from home at 16 and was living on the streets at 17. 481 00:23:12,272 --> 00:23:14,566 Everything I owned was in two garbage bags. 482 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,446 My parents were saying, "I hope you just kill yourself 483 00:23:19,571 --> 00:23:22,240 and make life a lot easier for the rest of us." 484 00:23:22,365 --> 00:23:25,160 It was just on and on and on. So, there I was, out on the streets. 485 00:23:25,243 --> 00:23:28,997 And then when I got taken in with a foster family, 486 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,917 I made sure that I kept finishing school with good grades 487 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,544 because that was gonna be my future, my ticket out of there 488 00:23:34,628 --> 00:23:37,380 and then when I went to college on full academic scholarship, 489 00:23:37,464 --> 00:23:39,341 I never actually went to classes. 490 00:23:39,423 --> 00:23:42,426 I said, "I've got free room and board. I need to make money. 491 00:23:42,510 --> 00:23:44,679 I need to get some security and stability in my life 492 00:23:44,763 --> 00:23:49,476 so I don't have to turn tricks to get food to eat. 493 00:23:49,559 --> 00:23:53,021 So I took up stripping. I went to all the local strip bars. 494 00:23:53,146 --> 00:23:56,483 And from there, I started doing magazines in New York City. 495 00:23:56,566 --> 00:23:59,611 I'd take a train to New York City on weekends and do magazines. 496 00:23:59,694 --> 00:24:03,990 And then a photographer said he knew a director in California 497 00:24:04,074 --> 00:24:07,160 named Bud Lee who could direct me in some movies if I wanted to do that. 498 00:24:07,243 --> 00:24:10,622 So I packed up my suitcase and a teddy bear, 499 00:24:10,705 --> 00:24:12,624 went out to LA, 500 00:24:12,749 --> 00:24:16,586 made a movie for Bud Lee, married him, didn't come back. 501 00:24:16,670 --> 00:24:19,130 The reason that I wanted to do porn, 502 00:24:19,214 --> 00:24:23,802 even though I was so smart, Miss Mensa and all that, 503 00:24:23,885 --> 00:24:28,765 is precisely because I wanted to stop being known as the nerd, the geek, 504 00:24:28,848 --> 00:24:30,934 the one that you come over and you be nice to me 505 00:24:31,017 --> 00:24:34,187 just so you can copy off of my tests. 506 00:24:34,270 --> 00:24:36,564 I'd hang out with some of my misfit friends, 507 00:24:36,648 --> 00:24:40,026 and they had adult magazines and they would look at them 508 00:24:40,110 --> 00:24:41,861 and I would be peeking over their shoulder, 509 00:24:41,945 --> 00:24:44,364 going, "I wish someone would look at me like that." 510 00:24:44,447 --> 00:24:46,116 And that was just my wildest fantasy 511 00:24:46,199 --> 00:24:49,411 that someone would think that I was pretty and sexy. 512 00:24:51,287 --> 00:24:53,331 All my life, I'd just been the nerd and the geek. 513 00:24:53,415 --> 00:24:54,916 So, it was a fantasy come true for me 514 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,501 that someone would want to see me on the cover of a magazine. 515 00:24:57,585 --> 00:24:59,462 When I got to porn, it was like, "I get to pick 516 00:24:59,546 --> 00:25:01,923 which of these good-looking guys I want to sleep with? 517 00:25:02,048 --> 00:25:04,592 And you're gonna pay me for it, put me on a box cover 518 00:25:04,676 --> 00:25:06,553 and give me tons of money?" 519 00:25:06,636 --> 00:25:10,015 It was just a really big step up from where I was coming from. 520 00:25:11,141 --> 00:25:14,728 Porn wasn't all that much of a mental challenge for me. 521 00:25:16,146 --> 00:25:18,356 Standing there and saying my silly lines 522 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,233 just didn't take up a whole lot of my day. 523 00:25:20,316 --> 00:25:22,569 Meanwhile, you got a lot of time to sit around and wait. 524 00:25:22,652 --> 00:25:24,779 So I just kept myself busy 525 00:25:24,863 --> 00:25:27,824 by learning every single job on the set. 526 00:25:27,907 --> 00:25:31,661 I would get the grips to take me onto the grip truck 527 00:25:31,745 --> 00:25:34,497 and name everything on there and teach me how to do everything 528 00:25:34,581 --> 00:25:37,042 by showing up with my little grip belt, shorts and gloves 529 00:25:37,125 --> 00:25:38,334 and no shirt on. 530 00:25:39,085 --> 00:25:42,422 I'd ask very nicely if they'd teach me their job and they did. 531 00:25:42,505 --> 00:25:44,340 And much the same way, 532 00:25:44,424 --> 00:25:47,886 I learned editing, directing, producing, script writing. 533 00:25:47,969 --> 00:25:49,721 Every job on the set, I've got. 534 00:25:49,846 --> 00:25:54,392 If you look on IMDb, my name's got all credits next to it. 535 00:25:54,476 --> 00:25:56,895 I even designed my own box covers. 536 00:25:56,978 --> 00:25:59,939 What made me different was I was the first half-Asian 537 00:26:00,023 --> 00:26:03,068 to become an A-list star in the business. 538 00:26:03,151 --> 00:26:06,362 Before I'd started, there was the white, black and Asian girls 539 00:26:06,446 --> 00:26:09,824 and each had their own separate genre and they didn't mix. 540 00:26:09,908 --> 00:26:13,161 You don't put an Asian girl in a white girl movie. 541 00:26:13,244 --> 00:26:14,704 It's just the way it was. 542 00:26:14,788 --> 00:26:16,580 And when I came in and I was only half-Asian, 543 00:26:16,664 --> 00:26:19,459 the features were soft enough that they could still put me on a cover 544 00:26:19,542 --> 00:26:21,628 and I could still be a white girl or an Asian girl. 545 00:26:21,711 --> 00:26:22,921 They could play me either way 546 00:26:23,004 --> 00:26:25,965 or they could play me as an Indian or a gypsy or a Greek girl! 547 00:26:26,049 --> 00:26:27,717 They gave me all the different roles. 548 00:26:27,801 --> 00:26:30,929 So they wound up using my look as very versatile. 549 00:26:31,012 --> 00:26:33,056 And so I became the first "crossover" star 550 00:26:33,139 --> 00:26:34,933 from a minority. 551 00:26:35,016 --> 00:26:37,519 I guess they did pretty well with me 'cause after I left Vivid, 552 00:26:37,601 --> 00:26:41,064 they got Kobe Tai, who was full Asian. 553 00:26:41,147 --> 00:26:42,315 So I kind of opened the door 554 00:26:42,398 --> 00:26:44,192 for the minorities to become A-listers. 555 00:26:44,317 --> 00:26:46,152 I hated doing live appearance. 556 00:26:46,236 --> 00:26:49,072 I'm getting sweaty just looking at this picture. 557 00:26:49,155 --> 00:26:52,867 Yeah. I spent all year long dreading the CES show. 558 00:26:52,951 --> 00:26:56,913 I'd just keep telling myself, "They're more scared than you are." 559 00:26:56,996 --> 00:26:58,790 'Cause I'd smile and say, "What's your name?" 560 00:26:58,873 --> 00:27:01,000 And they'd go... 561 00:27:01,084 --> 00:27:03,128 They'd just look at me. 562 00:27:03,211 --> 00:27:04,838 "Okay. What's your name?" 563 00:27:04,921 --> 00:27:08,216 If you see my very first interviews from when I was 19, 20 years old, 564 00:27:08,299 --> 00:27:10,093 I said, "I'm gonna retire when I'm 30." 565 00:27:10,176 --> 00:27:12,428 People laughed and said, "You've got it all planned out." 566 00:27:12,554 --> 00:27:14,764 There really wasn't any question about it. 567 00:27:14,848 --> 00:27:18,059 I had gotten married and then divorced. 568 00:27:19,310 --> 00:27:23,064 And I met someone who had adult bookstores. 569 00:27:23,148 --> 00:27:25,525 So I basically got my introduction 570 00:27:25,608 --> 00:27:27,527 to the adult entertainment world 571 00:27:27,610 --> 00:27:29,904 through working in adult bookstores 572 00:27:29,988 --> 00:27:32,656 and then consequently owning adult bookstores. 573 00:27:32,740 --> 00:27:36,828 And I saw the women that were doing movies at the time 574 00:27:36,911 --> 00:27:39,831 and I was just amazed 575 00:27:39,914 --> 00:27:43,626 because they had pimples on their rear ends, 576 00:27:43,710 --> 00:27:46,129 they had on no makeup, their feet were dirty, 577 00:27:46,212 --> 00:27:48,923 their hair was dirty and I thought, "My God. 578 00:27:49,007 --> 00:27:52,427 This is not a really good representation of women. 579 00:27:52,552 --> 00:27:53,553 I want to do that." 580 00:27:53,636 --> 00:27:57,640 I had done a few magazines 581 00:27:57,724 --> 00:28:01,477 and a few eight millimeter loops. 582 00:28:01,561 --> 00:28:03,687 And then I came to California 583 00:28:03,771 --> 00:28:07,775 and I picked up one of the free papers and there was an ad. 584 00:28:07,901 --> 00:28:11,154 My family was very okay with what I did 585 00:28:11,237 --> 00:28:14,073 because I did tell them what I was about to do 586 00:28:14,199 --> 00:28:17,202 before I actually did anything. 587 00:28:17,285 --> 00:28:19,703 I'd done a couple of photo shoots 588 00:28:19,787 --> 00:28:22,207 and decided that I needed to tell my family 589 00:28:22,290 --> 00:28:24,751 before it got out there 590 00:28:24,834 --> 00:28:28,004 because I didn't want them finding out from someone else. 591 00:28:28,087 --> 00:28:31,424 And they're like, "Well, do you think you can make money at it? 592 00:28:31,507 --> 00:28:34,010 You think you can have a good career and be happy doing this?" 593 00:28:34,093 --> 00:28:38,389 I said, "Yes, I do," They said, "Good. Go do it." 594 00:28:38,473 --> 00:28:42,644 We had a very small community of people, 595 00:28:42,727 --> 00:28:46,022 of players that we all worked with. 596 00:28:46,147 --> 00:28:49,067 And we all worked with each other quite a bit. 597 00:28:49,150 --> 00:28:52,654 So the community was small. We were familiar with one another. 598 00:28:52,737 --> 00:28:56,908 And it's like when you have a new boyfriend 599 00:28:56,991 --> 00:28:59,410 or a new girlfriend or a new husband or wife. 600 00:28:59,494 --> 00:29:01,788 It takes a little while before you know 601 00:29:01,871 --> 00:29:04,082 what pushes their buttons, what turns them on, 602 00:29:04,165 --> 00:29:05,750 what makes them feel good. 603 00:29:06,834 --> 00:29:11,381 And then it starts to become very intimate. 604 00:29:11,464 --> 00:29:15,301 And you can actually have an intimate relationship 605 00:29:15,385 --> 00:29:17,595 with the person you're working with on screen 606 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,723 and be fond of them after the movie is over. 607 00:29:21,933 --> 00:29:25,311 But they're just genuinely sweet, nice people. 608 00:29:26,896 --> 00:29:29,774 I was being offered parts in movies 609 00:29:29,857 --> 00:29:32,819 or photo shoots or what have you 610 00:29:32,902 --> 00:29:36,990 and they didn't want to pay me the amount of money I wanted. 611 00:29:37,073 --> 00:29:40,618 And I said no. I just held out. 612 00:29:40,702 --> 00:29:41,744 So... 613 00:29:42,537 --> 00:29:45,373 And subsequently, I started stripping, 614 00:29:45,456 --> 00:29:49,002 going basically across the world, stripping, 615 00:29:49,085 --> 00:29:53,881 and doing photo shoots with Club magazine, predominantly. 616 00:29:54,424 --> 00:29:57,969 And so people didn't see me in front of the camera, 617 00:29:58,052 --> 00:30:00,179 so they thought, "Okay. She's retired." 618 00:30:01,180 --> 00:30:03,016 I've been retired and come back so many times, 619 00:30:03,141 --> 00:30:04,976 I can't keep track anymore. 620 00:30:05,101 --> 00:30:07,103 I've also been dead a few times. 621 00:30:09,105 --> 00:30:12,692 I saw an ad in the paper. It said, "Nude fun, big bucks." 622 00:30:12,775 --> 00:30:15,278 And it was an audition for an X-rated movie. 623 00:30:15,361 --> 00:30:17,363 Two days later, I get a call from the producer. 624 00:30:17,447 --> 00:30:19,615 They want to give me a part in the movie. 625 00:30:19,699 --> 00:30:21,492 I hadn't planned on that. 626 00:30:21,576 --> 00:30:26,414 At the time, I had applied to the Hebrew Union seminary 627 00:30:26,497 --> 00:30:27,749 in Cincinnati 628 00:30:27,832 --> 00:30:30,960 where they train people to become rabbis. 629 00:30:31,044 --> 00:30:32,378 So I'm trying to measure, 630 00:30:33,254 --> 00:30:35,965 "Do I want to do this, or do I want to be in a porn movie?" 631 00:30:36,049 --> 00:30:37,884 Because if I take the part in the porn movie 632 00:30:37,967 --> 00:30:43,097 I may be cutting some of my options off for future life. 633 00:30:43,264 --> 00:30:46,851 And the seminary in Cincinnati said, 634 00:30:46,934 --> 00:30:49,020 "We'll take you, but the first two years 635 00:30:49,103 --> 00:30:52,231 you have to go to Jerusalem and study Aramaic," 636 00:30:52,315 --> 00:30:56,194 which I would rather go to Cleveland and study their sewer system. 637 00:30:57,653 --> 00:31:01,324 No interest there. So I decided I would make the porn movie. 638 00:31:01,407 --> 00:31:04,827 And, in any case, the kind of rabbi I would become 639 00:31:04,911 --> 00:31:07,622 would be the kind that could've made a porn movie. 640 00:31:07,747 --> 00:31:09,999 And I went ahead and did the job. 641 00:31:10,083 --> 00:31:14,921 I think I had to become a sex star just to come back to normal, 642 00:31:15,004 --> 00:31:17,924 'cause I'd been so humiliated by being the fat kid. 643 00:31:18,007 --> 00:31:20,718 I had the largest breasts in the seventh grade. 644 00:31:20,802 --> 00:31:24,597 The guys would make fun of me and point at me and tease me! 645 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,974 You know how deep those scars go? 646 00:31:27,058 --> 00:31:28,476 That's ugly shit! 647 00:31:28,559 --> 00:31:31,187 Those are the people that become centerfolds! 648 00:31:31,270 --> 00:31:32,897 'Cause they got something to prove. 649 00:31:32,980 --> 00:31:36,401 I was lucky enough to be in the era 650 00:31:36,484 --> 00:31:39,946 when they were trying to make movies where you needed to remember lines. 651 00:31:40,071 --> 00:31:42,198 And I was good at that. 652 00:31:42,281 --> 00:31:45,493 So, I got hired for my acting ability, 653 00:31:45,576 --> 00:31:47,995 which being a good actor in porn 654 00:31:48,079 --> 00:31:50,790 is like being the wisest man in the kingdom of the fools. 655 00:31:50,873 --> 00:31:52,792 He promised that I could fuck you next. 656 00:31:52,875 --> 00:31:53,876 He what? 657 00:31:58,297 --> 00:32:01,050 Let him alone! I said, let him alone! 658 00:32:04,303 --> 00:32:05,847 Get the fuck out of here! 659 00:32:07,557 --> 00:32:08,641 My ankle! 660 00:32:08,724 --> 00:32:11,310 I was terrible at the sex, just rotten. 661 00:32:11,394 --> 00:32:12,979 I was just so traumatized by it. 662 00:32:13,062 --> 00:32:17,316 But I eventually did learn how to have sex on camera. 663 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,696 I was on the beach in San Diego and I was by myself. 664 00:32:21,779 --> 00:32:23,865 And I'm sitting there and I notice 665 00:32:23,948 --> 00:32:26,951 there's a really beautiful woman laying on a towel. 666 00:32:27,034 --> 00:32:29,537 And so my gaze drifts over to her. 667 00:32:29,620 --> 00:32:33,374 And her boyfriend looks at me and I look away. 668 00:32:33,458 --> 00:32:35,710 Then I drift back and I'm looking at her again 669 00:32:35,835 --> 00:32:37,753 and the boyfriend sees me looking at her again. 670 00:32:37,837 --> 00:32:38,880 "Shit." 671 00:32:38,963 --> 00:32:40,715 Well, the guy gets up, 672 00:32:40,798 --> 00:32:43,301 and he starts walkin' over towards me, 673 00:32:43,384 --> 00:32:47,305 and I'm going, "Oh, no. Here we go. This is gonna get ugly." 674 00:32:47,388 --> 00:32:50,141 And he gets close to me I'm just clenching my fist, 675 00:32:50,224 --> 00:32:51,726 ready to defend myself. 676 00:32:51,809 --> 00:32:54,896 The guy's a monster. I'm gonna get killed. I know it. 677 00:32:54,979 --> 00:32:58,733 And he leans in and he says, "Were you in Insatiable?" 678 00:32:58,816 --> 00:33:00,693 And I went, "Yes! Yes!" 679 00:33:00,776 --> 00:33:04,322 I was so happy that he recognized me from the movie business 680 00:33:04,405 --> 00:33:06,032 and he wasn't gonna kick my ass. 681 00:33:06,115 --> 00:33:07,783 It was a true delight. 682 00:33:07,867 --> 00:33:09,702 We became friends at that point. 683 00:33:09,785 --> 00:33:11,537 I hadn't told my parents I was doing this. 684 00:33:11,621 --> 00:33:14,874 I told them I was doing commercials 685 00:33:14,957 --> 00:33:17,960 and low-budget nothing, blah, blah, blah. 686 00:33:18,044 --> 00:33:21,589 I knew that they weren't gonna be... 687 00:33:21,672 --> 00:33:22,673 I didn't suspect 688 00:33:22,798 --> 00:33:25,426 they would be very approving of this kind of stuff. 689 00:33:25,510 --> 00:33:27,887 I made the original call, 690 00:33:27,970 --> 00:33:30,556 prepared to become the black sheep of the family. 691 00:33:30,681 --> 00:33:31,891 It didn't happen. 692 00:33:32,725 --> 00:33:34,894 I'm sure they were less than thrilled. 693 00:33:35,561 --> 00:33:38,147 When my mother would be at the grocery store the next day 694 00:33:38,231 --> 00:33:42,193 and they say, "Good to see you. How you doing? What's going on?" 695 00:33:42,276 --> 00:33:45,112 "Well! My son, the doctor, is coming back from Israel, 696 00:33:45,196 --> 00:33:48,866 and my other son, he makes shmackle movies in California!" 697 00:33:51,661 --> 00:33:53,829 Well, I think people may have a negative reaction 698 00:33:53,913 --> 00:33:58,668 to someone who's a porn star for a combination of reasons. 699 00:33:58,751 --> 00:34:02,547 One is, somebody who seems to indiscriminately be willing 700 00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:06,884 to sleep with anyone, whether it's on film or not, 701 00:34:06,968 --> 00:34:09,136 is, no matter what people say, 702 00:34:09,220 --> 00:34:12,098 still not somebody who's particularly admired, 703 00:34:12,181 --> 00:34:16,936 and, again, may pose a threat to many relationships. 704 00:34:17,103 --> 00:34:20,314 It is legal work, but it's fucking. 705 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:22,817 With pictures. 706 00:34:23,609 --> 00:34:25,653 People say, "You should go into politics." 707 00:34:25,736 --> 00:34:27,905 "There's too many pictures of me with dicks in my ass." 708 00:34:27,989 --> 00:34:30,032 It's not going to happen. 709 00:34:30,116 --> 00:34:31,284 It happened by happenstance. 710 00:34:31,826 --> 00:34:33,578 I came up with some friends, 711 00:34:33,661 --> 00:34:37,164 and I went to a club called the Rainbow. 712 00:34:37,290 --> 00:34:43,004 And I met there Althea Flynt, the wife of Larry Flynt, 713 00:34:43,087 --> 00:34:45,506 and a photographer that she had in tow. 714 00:34:45,590 --> 00:34:49,218 And they approached me and invited me to their table 715 00:34:49,302 --> 00:34:52,805 and asked me if I wanted to go to a club and have some drinks. 716 00:34:52,888 --> 00:34:53,973 And I did. 717 00:34:54,056 --> 00:34:56,809 And she was doing an interview for Sting, 718 00:34:56,892 --> 00:34:59,770 and we were up there, looking to meet some rock stars. 719 00:34:59,854 --> 00:35:02,898 We were just girls, doing our thing. 720 00:35:02,982 --> 00:35:06,110 And she took us in her black limo 721 00:35:06,193 --> 00:35:09,030 that had this "think pink" on the license plate 722 00:35:09,113 --> 00:35:11,198 and I think it was a naked lady on the side of it. 723 00:35:11,282 --> 00:35:12,867 And I was so impressed by that. 724 00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:15,620 She said, "What do you do?" I said, "I'm a model." 725 00:35:15,703 --> 00:35:19,206 And she said, "Wow! I own Hustler magazine, 726 00:35:19,290 --> 00:35:21,417 and we're gonna put you in Hustler." 727 00:35:21,500 --> 00:35:23,794 So, that was that. 728 00:35:23,878 --> 00:35:27,632 I went into Hustler and started doing magazines. 729 00:35:27,715 --> 00:35:28,716 My brother found out 730 00:35:28,883 --> 00:35:31,844 and he had tried to talk me into it many times 731 00:35:31,927 --> 00:35:34,388 because everybody always said, "Buck, can you get your sister 732 00:35:34,472 --> 00:35:35,723 to do a movie? Oh, my God!" 733 00:35:35,806 --> 00:35:40,770 And we never worked together on set, 734 00:35:40,853 --> 00:35:44,106 but we always championed each other's careers. 735 00:35:44,190 --> 00:35:48,277 And so my brother said to me, "I want you to do a movie." 736 00:35:48,361 --> 00:35:49,779 And he set it up with Sin City. 737 00:35:49,862 --> 00:35:53,282 It was actually done for Sin City and it was called Babewatch. 738 00:35:53,366 --> 00:35:55,076 It was for my brother's Babewatch series. 739 00:35:55,159 --> 00:35:57,536 He said, "If you're gonna do movies for anybody, 740 00:35:57,620 --> 00:36:00,665 you have to do one for me, sis." 741 00:36:00,748 --> 00:36:02,208 So I said, "Okay. I will." 742 00:36:02,291 --> 00:36:05,044 And the sex was real. 743 00:36:05,127 --> 00:36:07,672 You'd say, "How do you want the blow job?" 744 00:36:07,755 --> 00:36:10,007 And they'd say, "How do you like the blow job?" 745 00:36:10,132 --> 00:36:13,260 And that would be it. We would build off of that. 746 00:36:13,344 --> 00:36:16,347 I was the kind of person who lived a life of excess 747 00:36:16,430 --> 00:36:19,600 and people would invite me to parties. 748 00:36:19,684 --> 00:36:24,730 And they would think, "If I offer her some party tools, 749 00:36:24,814 --> 00:36:28,150 I'm gonna wind up getting laid all night 750 00:36:28,275 --> 00:36:29,735 by this beautiful porn star." 751 00:36:29,819 --> 00:36:33,906 Then as my addiction went through another door, 752 00:36:33,989 --> 00:36:35,324 they'd hand me the bag of coke 753 00:36:35,408 --> 00:36:37,201 and I'd wind up in the bathroom all night. 754 00:36:37,284 --> 00:36:39,412 You wouldn't be able to drag me out of the bathroom. 755 00:36:39,495 --> 00:36:42,164 And I'd be like, "Don't touch me!" 756 00:36:42,248 --> 00:36:47,002 And all of my life started to kind of spiral. 757 00:36:47,086 --> 00:36:51,048 I wound up getting arrested on the highway, 758 00:36:51,132 --> 00:36:56,011 and the police knew exactly who I was when I got arrested 759 00:36:56,095 --> 00:36:59,598 and they wanted to make an example of me with the court system. 760 00:36:59,682 --> 00:37:03,018 They knew that I was a big porn star. 761 00:37:03,102 --> 00:37:06,647 And the gig was up. And I had to face it. 762 00:37:06,731 --> 00:37:08,858 It was the greatest thing that ever happened to me 763 00:37:08,941 --> 00:37:11,026 when I look back on it now 764 00:37:11,110 --> 00:37:14,196 because it really brought me into reality. 765 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,700 For the women, they're much more damned by society 766 00:37:17,783 --> 00:37:20,745 because no matter how sanctified they are, 767 00:37:20,828 --> 00:37:22,455 they're still considered to be whores. 768 00:37:22,538 --> 00:37:24,123 And it's getting worse and worse 769 00:37:24,206 --> 00:37:28,169 because a lot of them have turned to what I am vehemently opposed to, 770 00:37:28,252 --> 00:37:31,338 the escort services, to further their career. 771 00:37:31,422 --> 00:37:35,509 In many ways, it has a dehumanizing quality 772 00:37:36,677 --> 00:37:42,558 because what you're responding to are a set of physical cues. 773 00:37:42,641 --> 00:37:44,769 You are responding to the body 774 00:37:44,852 --> 00:37:48,481 and you're responding to the sexual acts per se 775 00:37:48,564 --> 00:37:51,192 in a way that is quite animalistic. 776 00:37:51,817 --> 00:37:57,948 And having a more full depiction of the person 777 00:37:58,032 --> 00:38:02,828 may even detract from the ability to use it 778 00:38:02,912 --> 00:38:06,749 purely as masturbatory or other kind of sexual stimulation. 779 00:38:06,916 --> 00:38:11,504 You can take every other category, every other idea, every other thought. 780 00:38:11,587 --> 00:38:14,924 Basically happiness and success in life all boils down to 781 00:38:15,007 --> 00:38:17,343 what are the quality of your bonds with other people? 782 00:38:17,426 --> 00:38:19,428 Having anything to do with the adult industry 783 00:38:19,512 --> 00:38:21,013 hacks away those bonds. 784 00:38:21,096 --> 00:38:25,059 So you're isolated, alienated, pushed away to the margins, 785 00:38:25,142 --> 00:38:26,977 and not treated as a human being. 786 00:38:27,061 --> 00:38:30,231 That's a recipe for disaster, for me and for anyone else. 787 00:38:31,357 --> 00:38:34,193 When I was in college, a couple of us worked at Hooters. 788 00:38:34,276 --> 00:38:36,862 So, I loved doing that. 789 00:38:36,946 --> 00:38:38,739 A lot of the girls at Hooters were telling me 790 00:38:38,823 --> 00:38:40,491 how I'd make a lot of money stripping. 791 00:38:40,574 --> 00:38:42,409 I had a boyfriend in college... 792 00:38:42,701 --> 00:38:45,538 I went with him and his friends to a strip club one night. 793 00:38:45,621 --> 00:38:47,414 They always used to go watch amateur night. 794 00:38:47,498 --> 00:38:50,125 He's like, "I think you could beat these girls at amateur night." 795 00:38:50,209 --> 00:38:53,420 So I entered and I won. I got first place out of 12 girls 796 00:38:53,504 --> 00:38:54,922 in the amateur contest 797 00:38:55,005 --> 00:38:56,423 and I got $500. 798 00:38:56,507 --> 00:38:58,217 So, I was like, "This is a really cool job. 799 00:38:58,300 --> 00:39:00,678 I get to drink and dance and make money. 800 00:39:00,761 --> 00:39:02,888 This is way better than anything else." 801 00:39:03,013 --> 00:39:06,767 When I was 21, I used to watch a lot of the Cinemax movies. 802 00:39:06,892 --> 00:39:08,477 So I went to Blockbuster 803 00:39:08,561 --> 00:39:11,021 and I got the address off the box of a Cinemax movie 804 00:39:11,105 --> 00:39:15,109 and I mailed some Polaroids of myself and a few headshots I had taken, 805 00:39:15,192 --> 00:39:16,902 and just pictures and I mailed it. 806 00:39:16,986 --> 00:39:20,197 I wrote a letter about how I think I'd really like to be in the movies. 807 00:39:20,281 --> 00:39:22,241 I heard nothing. Then three months later, 808 00:39:22,324 --> 00:39:23,576 I got a call from Playboy. 809 00:39:23,659 --> 00:39:26,662 I pretty much came into this industry thinking, "Okay. 810 00:39:26,745 --> 00:39:30,791 I'm going to somehow be one of the most well-known porn stars ever." 811 00:39:30,875 --> 00:39:34,253 I wouldn't wanna just be another girl that was around for two years 812 00:39:34,336 --> 00:39:36,505 and then have to go be a hooker. 813 00:39:36,589 --> 00:39:40,092 After I did the Playboy thing, I shot for Hustler. 814 00:39:40,175 --> 00:39:42,219 The next month, I came out to LA. 815 00:39:42,303 --> 00:39:44,972 Within three weeks after shooting for Hustler, 816 00:39:45,055 --> 00:39:48,267 his wife and his daughter told me how much they loved me 817 00:39:48,350 --> 00:39:51,061 and they ended up taking me on the Larry Flynt freedom tour. 818 00:39:51,145 --> 00:39:53,606 They chose four girls to go with Larry Flynt 819 00:39:53,689 --> 00:39:56,191 to different Hustler stores and they chose me. 820 00:39:56,275 --> 00:39:59,236 And then my very first AVN show, 821 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,238 Hustler chose me to sign at their booth. 822 00:40:01,322 --> 00:40:03,407 They don't have contract girls. They pick girls. 823 00:40:03,532 --> 00:40:05,326 A month later, there was a Magic convention, 824 00:40:05,409 --> 00:40:06,660 which is a clothing convention 825 00:40:06,744 --> 00:40:08,412 and Hustler was launching their clothing. 826 00:40:08,537 --> 00:40:11,498 Hustler had chosen me to model their clothing 827 00:40:11,582 --> 00:40:13,417 and they made pictures of me modeling it. 828 00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:15,377 So, I really didn't think about life after porn 829 00:40:15,461 --> 00:40:18,964 because I just couldn't believe how all these things kept happening. 830 00:40:19,048 --> 00:40:21,133 The things that happened to me as a new girl in porn 831 00:40:21,216 --> 00:40:23,010 don't happen to most new girls. 832 00:40:23,093 --> 00:40:24,553 I met Larry Flynt 833 00:40:24,637 --> 00:40:27,097 pretty much my second month in the business. 834 00:40:27,181 --> 00:40:28,682 So, I didn't think about life after. 835 00:40:28,766 --> 00:40:31,226 I just always said I'm gonna get married and have kids. 836 00:40:31,310 --> 00:40:33,103 I used to say by 27. 837 00:40:33,187 --> 00:40:36,273 Now I say I want to get married by 30 and have kids by 32. 838 00:40:36,357 --> 00:40:38,067 When I was married, I only did girl-girl. 839 00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:41,111 I left my husband and did boy-girl. 840 00:40:41,195 --> 00:40:43,989 When I got back with my husband I only did girl-girl again. 841 00:40:44,073 --> 00:40:46,325 We split up, I did boy-girl. 842 00:40:46,408 --> 00:40:48,911 Then I took a hiatus for about six, seven months 843 00:40:48,994 --> 00:40:51,914 and didn't shoot anything and that's when I met this guy, 844 00:40:51,997 --> 00:40:54,416 who ended up becoming my fiancรฉ but we were dating, 845 00:40:54,500 --> 00:40:57,378 and I didn't do boy-girl for the first six months. 846 00:40:57,461 --> 00:41:00,547 Then he said, "Don't you think you should go get a new porn contract 847 00:41:00,631 --> 00:41:03,258 because that's extra income we can have every month?" 848 00:41:03,342 --> 00:41:05,678 I was like, "You want me to have sex with other guys?" 849 00:41:05,761 --> 00:41:08,138 He was like, "It's only six times a year you're gonna do it 850 00:41:08,222 --> 00:41:09,807 and it's with a condom." I said, "Okay." 851 00:41:09,890 --> 00:41:11,976 Of course, two days before the movie, he said, 852 00:41:12,059 --> 00:41:14,103 "I don't want you having sex with other guys." 853 00:41:15,604 --> 00:41:18,107 -Let go of me! -Your derriรจre may be pretty, 854 00:41:18,190 --> 00:41:21,694 but that don't mean it's bulwark from a propitious lashing. 855 00:41:26,448 --> 00:41:29,034 Every two and a half months, I'd have to shoot a boy-girl scene. 856 00:41:29,159 --> 00:41:32,246 Usually around two days before, he'd start being really mean to me 857 00:41:32,329 --> 00:41:33,664 and calling me names 858 00:41:33,747 --> 00:41:35,666 even though he wanted me to do the movies. 859 00:41:35,749 --> 00:41:37,084 When I'd go to shoot the movie, 860 00:41:37,167 --> 00:41:39,253 he'd go with his friends and get really drunk. 861 00:41:39,336 --> 00:41:41,880 Then he usually wouldn't kiss me or anything for two days later 862 00:41:41,964 --> 00:41:43,674 and when my check would come in, he's like, 863 00:41:43,757 --> 00:41:46,051 "That's mine since I let you have sex with other people." 864 00:41:46,135 --> 00:41:49,722 And then when I would be asleep, I'd hear him watching my movies. 865 00:41:49,805 --> 00:41:51,598 'Cause he would go and put it in slow motion 866 00:41:51,682 --> 00:41:54,184 to make sure the guy wore a condom and I wasn't lying about it. 867 00:41:54,893 --> 00:41:56,603 Let's see. The most I ever made in a month 868 00:41:56,687 --> 00:41:58,814 was probably when I was running for governor 869 00:41:58,897 --> 00:42:00,983 because my website was making around 20,000 a month 870 00:42:01,066 --> 00:42:04,111 and my online store selling T-shirts and buttons 871 00:42:04,194 --> 00:42:05,863 made about 10,000 to 15,000 a month. 872 00:42:05,946 --> 00:42:08,365 I felt really bad 'cause I didn't have time to mail 'em all. 873 00:42:08,449 --> 00:42:10,451 So I just ended up not mailing people their orders. 874 00:42:10,534 --> 00:42:12,327 I feel really bad about that. 875 00:42:12,453 --> 00:42:14,455 And then my contract was 6,000 a month 876 00:42:14,538 --> 00:42:15,914 and I was feature dancing. 877 00:42:15,998 --> 00:42:18,167 At that time, feature dancing used to pay a lot more. 878 00:42:18,250 --> 00:42:19,960 It was like 6,000 for three weeks. 879 00:42:20,044 --> 00:42:23,630 I don't know how much that is. Maybe 50,000, 60,000 in a month. 880 00:42:23,714 --> 00:42:26,633 And then I won a game show around that same time. 881 00:42:26,717 --> 00:42:30,179 On the game show "Who Wants to Be Governor of California" I won another 21,000. 882 00:42:30,262 --> 00:42:31,680 That was great. 883 00:42:31,764 --> 00:42:35,142 I guess the most in a year would probably be around $300,000. 884 00:42:35,225 --> 00:42:37,978 I didn't think I was set for life. I always joked with everyone 885 00:42:38,062 --> 00:42:40,939 that I'm either going to just make a lot of money 886 00:42:41,023 --> 00:42:44,526 or worst-case scenario, I'll marry a rich person. 887 00:42:44,610 --> 00:42:45,944 That's what I always said. 888 00:42:48,989 --> 00:42:50,240 No one comes into this business 889 00:42:50,365 --> 00:42:52,785 to want to be normal on the back end of it. 890 00:42:52,868 --> 00:42:54,411 Nobody thinks that it's gonna end. 891 00:42:54,495 --> 00:42:57,748 You jump on a merry-go-round, you hope the ride never ends. 892 00:42:57,831 --> 00:43:00,000 I don't think many of them can spell "future." 893 00:43:00,084 --> 00:43:02,211 I don't think they did this as a short-term investment 894 00:43:02,294 --> 00:43:04,588 in their own future, but they burned out. 895 00:43:04,755 --> 00:43:07,341 Hookers are hookers. Hookers are people 896 00:43:07,424 --> 00:43:10,677 who are looking for a quick buck with the least amount of effort, 897 00:43:10,803 --> 00:43:12,638 so they turn tricks. 898 00:43:12,721 --> 00:43:16,475 And being a porn star 899 00:43:16,558 --> 00:43:18,560 is just the world's oldest profession. 900 00:43:18,644 --> 00:43:19,561 So... 901 00:43:20,729 --> 00:43:22,856 It's not that complicated. 902 00:43:24,900 --> 00:43:28,695 Reality is hard. A lot of people blame the industry for their problems 903 00:43:28,779 --> 00:43:30,697 but then they get out in the real world 904 00:43:30,781 --> 00:43:34,076 and find lots of problems in the real world, too. 905 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:40,165 I grew up in Pennsylvania in the steel-mill towns. 906 00:43:41,166 --> 00:43:43,252 Worked in the steel mills. I drove cabs. 907 00:43:43,335 --> 00:43:46,004 It was sort of typical things people do. 908 00:43:46,088 --> 00:43:49,508 There I did some illustrations for magazines in New York 909 00:43:49,716 --> 00:43:53,262 and eventually started playing music. 910 00:43:53,345 --> 00:43:54,680 Did that for a while. 911 00:43:56,098 --> 00:43:57,349 Then I came out to California 912 00:43:57,432 --> 00:43:59,101 and ended up getting into dirty movies. 913 00:44:00,561 --> 00:44:04,064 Just met some people. I was gonna do a photo spread, 914 00:44:04,148 --> 00:44:07,401 some photography of some girls who were in the business. 915 00:44:07,484 --> 00:44:11,238 I had an idea I would do a photo shoot of them and then a little interview. 916 00:44:11,321 --> 00:44:14,116 And some people I knew from illustrating magazines 917 00:44:14,199 --> 00:44:16,243 in New York said, "We'll see what you come up with. 918 00:44:16,326 --> 00:44:18,036 If it's good, we'll pay you." 919 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,330 So I met these two girls, 920 00:44:20,414 --> 00:44:23,750 and before I knew it, I was in the movies! 921 00:44:25,252 --> 00:44:27,421 So that's sort of how that started. 922 00:44:27,504 --> 00:44:31,175 But when I was working, it wasn't like it is today. 923 00:44:31,258 --> 00:44:32,843 I'd maybe work 40 days a year 924 00:44:32,926 --> 00:44:35,971 and maybe 15 to 20 days were sex days. 925 00:44:36,054 --> 00:44:39,183 And today they work every day of the week, maybe twice a day. 926 00:44:39,558 --> 00:44:43,312 Viagra, shooting up their cocks and stuff like that. 927 00:44:44,229 --> 00:44:48,150 They're ruining their sex life for the rest of their lives. 928 00:44:48,233 --> 00:44:50,402 I just think there's too much going on, 929 00:44:50,485 --> 00:44:53,447 just your personal appetite of it. 930 00:44:53,530 --> 00:44:56,408 If you're working as a performer and you're working that much, 931 00:44:56,491 --> 00:44:59,411 sex loses its mystery in a sense. 932 00:44:59,494 --> 00:45:02,164 I remember being turned on to a point sometimes, 933 00:45:02,247 --> 00:45:04,917 certain situations, where I would actually shake. 934 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,127 I'm sure everybody's been in that situation. 935 00:45:07,211 --> 00:45:09,504 I hate to see that go away. 936 00:45:09,588 --> 00:45:12,299 I remember one time my dad picked me up from the airport. 937 00:45:13,467 --> 00:45:17,012 I was coming in for the holidays. 938 00:45:17,095 --> 00:45:18,931 My pictures were in Hustler magazine. 939 00:45:19,014 --> 00:45:22,226 They were about a movie. 940 00:45:22,309 --> 00:45:26,063 And I think I was giving some girl head. 941 00:45:27,397 --> 00:45:31,693 And my father says, "I saw that picture in Hustler." 942 00:45:31,777 --> 00:45:34,071 I said, "Yeah. 943 00:45:34,821 --> 00:45:36,949 Wasn't so good of a picture." 944 00:45:37,699 --> 00:45:39,117 And that's all that was said. 945 00:45:39,701 --> 00:45:43,038 It was not something I wanted to expose them to 946 00:45:43,121 --> 00:45:46,500 because it's embarrassing for them. 947 00:45:46,583 --> 00:45:49,378 We were so proud of what we did in some of these movies we did 948 00:45:49,461 --> 00:45:52,297 that got really big play, 949 00:45:52,381 --> 00:45:54,049 that I actually took her to screenings. 950 00:45:54,174 --> 00:45:56,593 We had these screenings in these theaters. 951 00:45:56,718 --> 00:45:57,803 I'm taking my wife there, 952 00:45:57,886 --> 00:46:00,180 watching me have sex with these people. 953 00:46:00,264 --> 00:46:02,849 And she was... 954 00:46:04,268 --> 00:46:05,352 It was difficult for her, 955 00:46:05,435 --> 00:46:08,146 but she appreciated the work we were doing. 956 00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:11,942 But after one or two times we did that, 957 00:46:12,025 --> 00:46:13,860 I said, "Hey, can we not do this no more?" 958 00:46:13,944 --> 00:46:16,196 She didn't want to see any pictures of me or anything. 959 00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,323 Although she understood what I was doing 960 00:46:18,407 --> 00:46:21,868 and knew it was the thing that was not gonna be a situation. 961 00:46:22,995 --> 00:46:24,454 Can I ask you something? 962 00:46:24,538 --> 00:46:26,456 Those cops, they're hung pretty good, huh? 963 00:46:28,333 --> 00:46:30,460 Bet they ain't got what I got. 964 00:46:34,089 --> 00:46:35,757 Nobody's got what I got. 965 00:46:37,301 --> 00:46:39,553 So, yeah, I'd like to retire and paint. 966 00:46:40,887 --> 00:46:41,972 I had a game plan. 967 00:46:42,055 --> 00:46:44,224 I saved some money, but I wasn't that good. 968 00:46:44,308 --> 00:46:45,350 No... 969 00:46:45,434 --> 00:46:47,060 I didn't make that much money, though. 970 00:46:47,144 --> 00:46:48,811 What did I make? I didn't work that much. 971 00:46:48,895 --> 00:46:51,690 You talking about saving money when he was acting? 972 00:46:51,814 --> 00:46:53,275 He just didn't have any bills. 973 00:46:53,358 --> 00:46:55,360 I didn't have any bills. See? I told you. 974 00:46:56,653 --> 00:46:58,363 Then he got me! 975 00:46:58,447 --> 00:47:01,033 -Then she showed up! -I'm high maintenance, baby. 976 00:47:01,116 --> 00:47:02,117 Then she showed up. 977 00:47:03,452 --> 00:47:07,372 Even if it's not particularly glamorous that day, 978 00:47:07,456 --> 00:47:10,542 you go to work and you get fussed over 979 00:47:10,625 --> 00:47:14,129 and if it's a big enough production, there's a makeup artist there, 980 00:47:14,212 --> 00:47:19,384 and there's attention for people who like attention. 981 00:47:19,468 --> 00:47:22,929 And then they get paid the very same day! 982 00:47:24,181 --> 00:47:26,767 Now, my great friend, Lee Carroll, once said, 983 00:47:26,849 --> 00:47:29,394 "As long as you got a cunt, you'll never starve." 984 00:47:29,478 --> 00:47:34,524 But there's a danger to that because it wears on your mind. 985 00:47:35,692 --> 00:47:37,903 My parents didn't take an interest in my life 986 00:47:38,028 --> 00:47:40,364 and I was also sexually abused at nine years old. 987 00:47:41,031 --> 00:47:44,993 I had a teenage boy and his sister, who was my classmate, 988 00:47:45,077 --> 00:47:49,664 introduce me to sexuality for the first time in my life, 989 00:47:49,748 --> 00:47:51,666 and it horrified me. 990 00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:53,710 As soon as I barely graduated high school, 991 00:47:53,794 --> 00:47:55,962 which I had to cheat my way through, 992 00:47:56,046 --> 00:47:58,965 my dad came to me and said, "Listen, you're out of the house," 993 00:47:59,049 --> 00:48:01,802 and literally kicked me out on the street with no food, no money. 994 00:48:01,884 --> 00:48:06,056 And so I'm literally sitting out on the curb on Sherman Way. 995 00:48:06,139 --> 00:48:09,226 That big, tough, rebellious teenager was bawling her eyes out. 996 00:48:09,309 --> 00:48:13,146 And all of a sudden, this beautiful black man 997 00:48:13,230 --> 00:48:17,275 came over to me and says, "Are you all right? 998 00:48:17,359 --> 00:48:20,028 What's wrong? Why are you crying, sweetheart?" 999 00:48:20,112 --> 00:48:23,949 "I have no money and no food and my dad kicked me out." 1000 00:48:24,032 --> 00:48:26,868 He put his arm around me and I still to this day 1001 00:48:26,952 --> 00:48:30,330 can tell you what that embrace felt like. 1002 00:48:30,497 --> 00:48:32,249 He just said, "Baby, I can help you." 1003 00:48:32,332 --> 00:48:34,835 And I thought, "Jesus has come to rescue me." 1004 00:48:36,545 --> 00:48:39,756 I really thought he was gonna help me. 1005 00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,259 He said, "There's a man in the apartment complex 1006 00:48:42,342 --> 00:48:44,594 who would love to make love to you." 1007 00:48:44,678 --> 00:48:47,764 He lured me in. I went, "You mean have sex?" 1008 00:48:47,848 --> 00:48:50,851 He goes, "Yes, but he's really gentle, really nice, 1009 00:48:50,933 --> 00:48:53,186 and you'll get $35." 1010 00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:55,772 So, here I am, a single mother. 1011 00:48:55,856 --> 00:48:59,317 I've done prostitution and stripping now for six years, 1012 00:48:59,401 --> 00:49:04,656 I've been at gunpoint, I've had stalkers try and kill me, 1013 00:49:04,739 --> 00:49:06,241 cops try and bust me. 1014 00:49:06,324 --> 00:49:10,203 I've been in the mafia, basically, for six years. 1015 00:49:10,287 --> 00:49:13,956 So, someone came to me, says, "Girl, why don't you do porn?" 1016 00:49:14,916 --> 00:49:16,918 I said, "Porn? What's that?" 1017 00:49:17,002 --> 00:49:19,171 It was a lot worse than prostitution. 1018 00:49:19,254 --> 00:49:21,590 There's a whole crew around. 1019 00:49:21,673 --> 00:49:24,134 They're all stroking themselves, going... 1020 00:49:24,217 --> 00:49:26,636 It was just totally degrading, and I went, "Oh, my gosh. 1021 00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:28,805 This is really bad. 1022 00:49:28,930 --> 00:49:31,683 And then all of a sudden, I can't explain it, 1023 00:49:31,766 --> 00:49:36,563 but all the rage I ever felt from what my parents did, 1024 00:49:36,646 --> 00:49:38,815 from childhood, 1025 00:49:38,899 --> 00:49:41,651 from all the things that men abused me with in prostitution 1026 00:49:41,735 --> 00:49:45,322 I just let it out on the screen. 1027 00:49:45,405 --> 00:49:48,575 He just said, "Roll it." 1028 00:49:48,658 --> 00:49:51,244 Here I am, the newbie, but I took over the entire scene. 1029 00:49:51,328 --> 00:49:53,330 It was weird. I just went... 1030 00:49:53,413 --> 00:49:55,957 "I'm Roxy, the porn star!" 1031 00:49:56,041 --> 00:49:58,293 I was pissed! 1032 00:49:58,460 --> 00:50:00,921 But at the end of the scene, it just ended 1033 00:50:01,003 --> 00:50:05,300 and I had bodily fluids on my face. 1034 00:50:05,383 --> 00:50:08,637 And they went, "Here's a rag," and just threw it at me. 1035 00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:10,305 And I just grabbed the rag and went... 1036 00:50:11,181 --> 00:50:12,933 And I didn't want them to see me cry 1037 00:50:13,015 --> 00:50:15,560 so I just turned my face and was like, "Oh, my God. Oh, my God. 1038 00:50:15,644 --> 00:50:18,563 Don't cry. Shelley, don't cry." 1039 00:50:18,647 --> 00:50:21,525 Then now, all of a sudden, I'm involved doing 1040 00:50:21,608 --> 00:50:25,654 anal gang bangs with five or six different performers 1041 00:50:25,737 --> 00:50:27,197 and I'm thinking, "Oh, my God." 1042 00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,741 Now I'm bringing big jugs of vodka! 1043 00:50:29,908 --> 00:50:32,911 Everyone's egging you on, saying, "No, girl, we love you. 1044 00:50:32,994 --> 00:50:35,372 We're your family now. You're awesome." 1045 00:50:35,455 --> 00:50:37,666 And there is a family atmosphere that they offer. 1046 00:50:37,749 --> 00:50:40,544 Porn star karaoke, everybody hangs out at the same parties. 1047 00:50:42,170 --> 00:50:44,965 "Girl, I love you!" Everyone's very affectionate. 1048 00:50:45,047 --> 00:50:48,552 And the reason why they're so affectionate is because that's their family. 1049 00:50:48,635 --> 00:50:51,053 Especially in my day, we were outcasts. 1050 00:50:51,137 --> 00:50:54,266 In fact, I still have scars from suicide attempts. 1051 00:50:54,349 --> 00:50:55,934 And I... 1052 00:50:56,017 --> 00:50:58,103 I said, "I don't care. I don't wanna live anymore." 1053 00:50:58,186 --> 00:51:00,814 And I took 30 prescription pills. 1054 00:51:00,897 --> 00:51:05,067 And I didn't die but I knew I wanted out. Bad. 1055 00:51:05,151 --> 00:51:07,112 And I remember crying to God, 1056 00:51:07,195 --> 00:51:09,406 drunk off my ass on Jack Daniel's, 1057 00:51:09,531 --> 00:51:12,576 thinking, "If you get me out of this, I'll serve you with my whole life, 1058 00:51:12,659 --> 00:51:14,619 I swear to God, I'll do whatever you want! 1059 00:51:14,703 --> 00:51:15,704 Just get me out of this." 1060 00:51:16,788 --> 00:51:18,248 People who are well-adjusted 1061 00:51:18,331 --> 00:51:21,376 and have good life skills and who are doing something 1062 00:51:21,459 --> 00:51:23,878 meaningful and constructive with their lives, 1063 00:51:23,962 --> 00:51:25,880 they're not in the industry to begin with. 1064 00:51:25,964 --> 00:51:27,674 So, the people who are in the industry 1065 00:51:27,757 --> 00:51:31,803 are really broken, twisted souls without a lot of great job skills. 1066 00:51:31,970 --> 00:51:34,973 And they're turbulent souls. 1067 00:51:35,056 --> 00:51:38,184 So, they're always gonna be twisting and turning in the wind. 1068 00:51:39,019 --> 00:51:40,437 We'd spent a lot of time in church. 1069 00:51:40,604 --> 00:51:43,940 I actually convinced my mom to send me to Christian school 1070 00:51:44,065 --> 00:51:45,525 when I was 14 1071 00:51:45,609 --> 00:51:49,154 and she found a way to gather up the funds and I went 1072 00:51:49,237 --> 00:51:54,326 and I was very involved in my church, without her. 1073 00:51:54,409 --> 00:51:58,288 It was me and my friends, and that was how I grew up. 1074 00:51:58,371 --> 00:52:03,335 That all changed when I was 16. 1075 00:52:03,418 --> 00:52:05,127 I spent the night at a girlfriend's house, 1076 00:52:05,211 --> 00:52:08,923 and she was a teenage mom and married, 1077 00:52:09,007 --> 00:52:13,386 and her husband drugged me with acid. 1078 00:52:13,470 --> 00:52:17,057 And at that time, I hadn't even stayed up past 10:00. 1079 00:52:17,139 --> 00:52:20,810 So I wasn't really well-versed in the drug world. 1080 00:52:20,894 --> 00:52:23,521 And that changed everything for me. 1081 00:52:23,605 --> 00:52:25,899 I did the best I could to graduate high school 1082 00:52:25,982 --> 00:52:29,736 as fast as I could and move out. I was out of the house by 17. 1083 00:52:29,903 --> 00:52:32,781 I knew some people in the industry and I hung out with them. 1084 00:52:32,864 --> 00:52:34,324 And I'm still friends with them now. 1085 00:52:34,449 --> 00:52:36,826 I don't blame them for hanging out with me when I was young 1086 00:52:36,910 --> 00:52:39,120 'cause they were young, too, so... 1087 00:52:39,204 --> 00:52:40,789 Met a few porn stars 1088 00:52:40,872 --> 00:52:44,376 and just fell in love with them. 1089 00:52:44,501 --> 00:52:48,630 I hung out with them until I was over 18, 1090 00:52:48,713 --> 00:52:50,048 did my first movie. 1091 00:52:50,131 --> 00:52:52,926 And it was on from there. 1092 00:52:53,009 --> 00:52:56,388 Well, the first year that I was in the adult industry 1093 00:52:56,471 --> 00:52:57,847 and was doing movies, 1094 00:52:57,931 --> 00:53:00,016 I worked for every company under the sun. 1095 00:53:00,100 --> 00:53:02,811 The dirtiest of the dirtiest gonzo companies 1096 00:53:02,894 --> 00:53:05,187 that do crazy stuff. 1097 00:53:05,271 --> 00:53:09,859 I worked for anybody I could to make a buck. 1098 00:53:09,943 --> 00:53:13,238 I told my mom and she flipped out. 1099 00:53:13,321 --> 00:53:15,824 She wasn't happy about it but eventually, 1100 00:53:15,907 --> 00:53:19,327 when I formed a career and I signed with Vivid 1101 00:53:19,411 --> 00:53:21,203 and the pictures were prettier 1102 00:53:21,413 --> 00:53:24,874 and the footage was less disgusting, 1103 00:53:27,377 --> 00:53:30,004 she came to terms. 1104 00:53:30,088 --> 00:53:32,090 What's she gonna do? It is what it is. 1105 00:53:34,092 --> 00:53:36,344 Being a Vivid girl is... 1106 00:53:37,053 --> 00:53:40,724 It's what every adult industry actress wants to be. 1107 00:53:40,807 --> 00:53:43,184 Vivid's the biggest, best, 1108 00:53:43,268 --> 00:53:46,020 and most well-known company in the world. 1109 00:53:46,104 --> 00:53:49,733 They have the most beautiful girls, the best photographers. 1110 00:53:49,816 --> 00:53:51,568 They have the best press. 1111 00:53:51,651 --> 00:53:52,652 And... 1112 00:53:54,154 --> 00:53:57,323 Yeah, it's a high-class slew of girls, I would think. 1113 00:53:57,407 --> 00:54:00,076 Of course, it's as high-class as it's gonna get. 1114 00:54:02,620 --> 00:54:04,497 It's a steady income. 1115 00:54:04,581 --> 00:54:06,583 So, I don't know if I necessarily thought 1116 00:54:06,666 --> 00:54:08,293 I was better than anybody else, 1117 00:54:08,376 --> 00:54:11,546 but I knew I was getting the press that I wanted. 1118 00:54:11,629 --> 00:54:14,966 So, I was happy. 1119 00:54:15,425 --> 00:54:17,719 I took my movies very seriously. 1120 00:54:17,802 --> 00:54:19,179 I studied my scripts. 1121 00:54:20,764 --> 00:54:23,141 Half the time I wasn't stoned when I did the dialog, 1122 00:54:23,224 --> 00:54:26,561 but I took my acting very seriously because it was the only time 1123 00:54:26,644 --> 00:54:28,270 I was ever gonna get to do any acting! 1124 00:54:29,022 --> 00:54:33,151 So, I took it seriously, and I loved it! 1125 00:54:33,234 --> 00:54:37,155 And I thought I was good at it 1126 00:54:37,238 --> 00:54:39,783 but it just sounds so clichรฉ for me to say 1127 00:54:39,866 --> 00:54:42,827 I took the acting in my porno movie seriously. 1128 00:54:42,911 --> 00:54:44,037 But I did. 1129 00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:47,624 And that was my favorite part, was the acting. 1130 00:54:49,834 --> 00:54:51,211 And sometimes the sex. 1131 00:54:55,173 --> 00:54:59,928 You can use drugs and party and drink no matter what career choice you have, 1132 00:55:00,011 --> 00:55:01,012 but... 1133 00:55:02,263 --> 00:55:06,267 Yes, you're opened up to the party lifestyle a lot more. 1134 00:55:06,351 --> 00:55:07,977 You hang out with rock stars, 1135 00:55:08,061 --> 00:55:11,356 there's always porn parties to go to. 1136 00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:16,361 Me, struggling as an addict, 1137 00:55:17,904 --> 00:55:20,281 of course took advantage of everything that was there, 1138 00:55:20,406 --> 00:55:23,576 all of the alcohol, all of the drugs, 1139 00:55:23,660 --> 00:55:24,744 I did 'em all! 1140 00:55:28,122 --> 00:55:31,709 It's not a safe business to be in if you want to stay clean. 1141 00:55:33,586 --> 00:55:34,671 It's not safe. 1142 00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,633 I'm not telling you this to make you feel sorry for me 1143 00:55:38,842 --> 00:55:41,427 but I had an extremely tough childhood 1144 00:55:41,511 --> 00:55:45,056 and I think I got very lost for many years. 1145 00:55:45,139 --> 00:55:48,142 I didn't know who I was, like many people. 1146 00:55:49,018 --> 00:55:53,064 I had a very warped understanding of what love was. 1147 00:55:53,857 --> 00:55:58,319 And I think because of a lack of love in my life 1148 00:55:58,403 --> 00:56:01,614 or an inability to determine what love really is, 1149 00:56:01,698 --> 00:56:05,827 I saw sexual attention as love. 1150 00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:08,162 When you've suffered a lot of sexual abuse in your life, 1151 00:56:08,246 --> 00:56:11,749 it's understandable, I think, why you would feel that way. 1152 00:56:11,833 --> 00:56:15,920 Trying to tell you at what point I made the decision 1153 00:56:16,004 --> 00:56:19,048 to be Tiffany Million is not something I could answer, really, 1154 00:56:19,132 --> 00:56:21,092 in just one neat sentence. 1155 00:56:21,175 --> 00:56:24,012 It's kind of a combination of things. 1156 00:56:24,095 --> 00:56:26,431 Essentially, the whole reason 1157 00:56:26,514 --> 00:56:29,017 that I even got into that business to begin with 1158 00:56:29,100 --> 00:56:32,437 was because I was a single mother, like many people. 1159 00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:37,025 And I was living in southern California, 1160 00:56:37,108 --> 00:56:40,320 I had no family, I didn't know that many people, 1161 00:56:40,402 --> 00:56:41,988 her father wasn't helping me with her 1162 00:56:42,071 --> 00:56:44,782 and it was pretty scary being a single parent, honestly. 1163 00:56:44,866 --> 00:56:47,827 And so, I figured I had a choice. 1164 00:56:47,911 --> 00:56:50,038 I could work eight hours a day 1165 00:56:50,121 --> 00:56:53,082 and commute an hour or two each way on the freeway 1166 00:56:53,166 --> 00:56:55,460 to make $7, $8 an hour 1167 00:56:55,585 --> 00:56:59,505 only to pay out half of that in taxes and childcare, 1168 00:56:59,589 --> 00:57:03,092 my daughter's with heaven knows who during the day, 1169 00:57:03,217 --> 00:57:06,387 or I could reenter the adult entertainment industry 1170 00:57:06,512 --> 00:57:08,556 'cause I'd been a stripper years before. 1171 00:57:08,681 --> 00:57:11,726 'Cause I'd always been kind of a fan of adult films, 1172 00:57:11,809 --> 00:57:16,105 and so many times I had looked at those movies and I'd thought, 1173 00:57:16,189 --> 00:57:19,567 "Man, you know what? I could do that and I could do it better," 1174 00:57:19,651 --> 00:57:21,444 I thought, "Why not?" 1175 00:57:21,527 --> 00:57:23,154 I didn't have a man in my life anymore, 1176 00:57:23,237 --> 00:57:26,366 I left her father. And I definitely needed the money. 1177 00:57:26,449 --> 00:57:28,159 But, really, it just afforded me a way 1178 00:57:28,242 --> 00:57:31,955 to work as little as possible to get as much money as I could 1179 00:57:32,038 --> 00:57:34,499 to be with my daughter 'cause that's all I really wanted. 1180 00:57:34,582 --> 00:57:37,251 I wanted my daughter to have a great life 1181 00:57:37,377 --> 00:57:40,213 and a safe home in a good neighborhood with good childcare, 1182 00:57:40,296 --> 00:57:42,882 and I wanted to spend as much time with her as I could. 1183 00:57:42,966 --> 00:57:45,009 And working in the adult film industry allowed me 1184 00:57:45,093 --> 00:57:47,261 to work a day or two a week 1185 00:57:47,345 --> 00:57:49,138 and be with my daughter the rest of the week 1186 00:57:49,222 --> 00:57:52,016 and make more money than people that worked five days a week, 1187 00:57:52,141 --> 00:57:53,810 eight hours a day. 1188 00:57:53,893 --> 00:57:56,145 What you do in porn films is not sex. 1189 00:57:56,229 --> 00:57:59,148 I know you're being penetrated, but it's like this. 1190 00:57:59,232 --> 00:58:00,692 That's what it feels like. 1191 00:58:00,817 --> 00:58:05,780 It's just something occupying a chasm in your body, really. 1192 00:58:05,863 --> 00:58:07,532 It's like this. 1193 00:58:07,615 --> 00:58:09,784 It's like this. That's what it might as well be. 1194 00:58:09,867 --> 00:58:13,287 There's no emotion there. There's no feeling. 1195 00:58:13,371 --> 00:58:16,666 I got to tell you this funny little story. 1196 00:58:16,749 --> 00:58:19,544 I would have so many fans come up to me at autograph signings 1197 00:58:19,627 --> 00:58:21,921 and tell me that I was their favorite porn star 1198 00:58:22,005 --> 00:58:23,673 because all the other girls were faking it 1199 00:58:23,798 --> 00:58:27,635 and I was the one that they knew was for real. 1200 00:58:27,719 --> 00:58:30,096 "And I can tell when a woman's faking it." 1201 00:58:30,179 --> 00:58:32,015 And I'd be laughing! 1202 00:58:32,098 --> 00:58:34,267 Watch my face. Watch my face. 1203 00:58:39,856 --> 00:58:41,482 'Cause I'd be like... 1204 00:58:41,566 --> 00:58:43,234 I'm the biggest damn faker you ever met! 1205 00:58:43,317 --> 00:58:45,903 Man, I'm good. That's why I get paid the big bucks. 1206 00:58:45,987 --> 00:58:47,655 Even when I was in the business, 1207 00:58:47,739 --> 00:58:51,534 I didn't partake of all of the extraneous activities. 1208 00:58:51,617 --> 00:58:53,161 I think I went to several parties 1209 00:58:53,244 --> 00:58:54,996 only because there was free food and booze. 1210 00:58:55,079 --> 00:58:57,749 I would go and eat and stuff, everybody'd go to the after-parties, 1211 00:58:57,832 --> 00:59:00,460 and I'd be like, "I'm going home, going to bed." 1212 00:59:00,543 --> 00:59:02,545 I've always been early to bed, early to rise. 1213 00:59:02,628 --> 00:59:04,630 I never wanted to be a part of that scene. 1214 00:59:04,714 --> 00:59:06,507 Even when I was working in the movies, 1215 00:59:06,591 --> 00:59:08,843 I always kind of felt like a fly on the wall. 1216 00:59:08,968 --> 00:59:12,472 I know my body was involved 'cause obviously I was there, 1217 00:59:12,597 --> 00:59:15,516 but I always had this strange feeling, this surreal feeling of disconnect, 1218 00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:17,268 like I was up here looking down. 1219 00:59:17,351 --> 00:59:21,647 When my father died in '94, he left me a whole bunch of money 1220 00:59:21,731 --> 00:59:24,317 and I suddenly realized that I'm free. 1221 00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,236 "I don't have to be here anymore." And I walked away and that was it. 1222 00:59:28,488 --> 00:59:30,698 No one puts a gun to anybody's head to do this. 1223 00:59:30,823 --> 00:59:32,700 If you're not warned about what's gonna happen, 1224 00:59:32,825 --> 00:59:36,287 the person who didn't warn you is the one who's guilty, 1225 00:59:36,370 --> 00:59:39,290 but they're doing it for the one thing that they cannot deny, 1226 00:59:39,373 --> 00:59:42,126 that absolute death wish for the recognition, 1227 00:59:42,251 --> 00:59:44,003 validation and credibility. 1228 00:59:44,128 --> 00:59:45,379 And they're welcome to it, 1229 00:59:45,463 --> 00:59:48,174 but eventually their past will catch up to them 1230 00:59:48,257 --> 00:59:52,428 and they have to be aware of the fact that X is forever. 1231 00:59:53,721 --> 00:59:58,643 When I got into the business, I did have a goal. 1232 00:59:58,726 --> 01:00:00,520 It was my "cracked out" goal. 1233 01:00:00,603 --> 01:00:04,774 But I did have a goal to be out and retired, 1234 01:00:06,067 --> 01:00:08,361 26. At the latest, 27. 1235 01:00:11,239 --> 01:00:13,157 And I was out by 24. 1236 01:00:14,742 --> 01:00:19,580 I didn't leave the business because I wanted to. 1237 01:00:19,664 --> 01:00:22,125 I left the business 'cause I felt I had to, 1238 01:00:22,250 --> 01:00:23,960 that it was the right thing to do. 1239 01:00:24,043 --> 01:00:28,297 On November 4th, 1984, 1240 01:00:28,381 --> 01:00:31,968 was the first headline in the San Francisco Chronicle, 1241 01:00:32,051 --> 01:00:36,097 regarding the heterosexual transmission of AIDS. 1242 01:00:36,180 --> 01:00:38,474 A good friend of mine who was a mathematician 1243 01:00:38,599 --> 01:00:40,226 had read the same article I did 1244 01:00:40,309 --> 01:00:42,770 and he came over to my house in the afternoon and said, 1245 01:00:42,895 --> 01:00:46,023 "I've done some calculations based on the numbers 1246 01:00:46,107 --> 01:00:47,525 reported here in the story 1247 01:00:47,608 --> 01:00:50,444 and you're in the wrong place at the wrong time. 1248 01:00:50,528 --> 01:00:52,196 I want you to stop." 1249 01:00:52,321 --> 01:00:54,407 I had three jobs lined up for December. 1250 01:00:54,532 --> 01:00:56,742 My wife said, "I don't want you to do them." 1251 01:00:56,826 --> 01:00:59,036 I thought, "They're just trying to sell newspapers. 1252 01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:00,830 That's what newspapers do. They scare you. 1253 01:01:00,913 --> 01:01:03,916 And so I don't think the danger is that real 1254 01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,127 and I'm gonna go ahead and do these jobs." 1255 01:01:06,210 --> 01:01:08,296 So I went off and I did the three jobs. 1256 01:01:08,379 --> 01:01:12,216 When I came home and we're about to go to bed that night, 1257 01:01:12,300 --> 01:01:14,343 she said to me, "Do you think we should?" 1258 01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:18,431 "'Should'? Should, what? Have sex?" 1259 01:01:18,931 --> 01:01:21,309 "Yeah. Do you think we should have sex?" 1260 01:01:21,684 --> 01:01:23,686 And I said, "What are you talking about?" 1261 01:01:23,895 --> 01:01:25,646 And she said... I can quote you verbatim, 1262 01:01:25,730 --> 01:01:27,773 I remembered this all this time. 1263 01:01:27,982 --> 01:01:30,610 She said, "Don't you think it would be prudent 1264 01:01:30,693 --> 01:01:33,487 if one of us remained alive 1265 01:01:33,571 --> 01:01:35,156 to raise the kids?" 1266 01:01:39,702 --> 01:01:41,245 That was the brick wall. 1267 01:01:41,871 --> 01:01:45,499 Somebody had offered me a DVD deal, 1268 01:01:45,583 --> 01:01:48,044 I knew CDs and laser discs didn't do good. 1269 01:01:48,169 --> 01:01:50,755 I thought, "This DVD thing, whatever it is, 1270 01:01:50,838 --> 01:01:52,632 won't replace videos." 1271 01:01:52,715 --> 01:01:55,009 So I signed it without having a lawyer look at it 1272 01:01:55,092 --> 01:01:59,722 and by the time DVDs started taking over from videos, 1273 01:01:59,805 --> 01:02:01,349 I looked at the contract and found out 1274 01:02:01,432 --> 01:02:05,436 not only do they have my DVD rights, they also had Internet rights, 1275 01:02:05,519 --> 01:02:07,688 and the company wasn't very good. 1276 01:02:08,940 --> 01:02:11,651 And once I realized I wasn't gonna make much money, 1277 01:02:11,734 --> 01:02:15,071 I stayed with Evil Angel, my distributor, as long as I could. 1278 01:02:15,154 --> 01:02:16,906 When they stopped doing videos, that was it. 1279 01:02:16,989 --> 01:02:19,825 The ones that do well are out because they want to be out, 1280 01:02:19,909 --> 01:02:21,744 not because they had to get out. 1281 01:02:21,827 --> 01:02:25,581 And they have made their peace with what they did, 1282 01:02:25,706 --> 01:02:27,625 and that shows in their bearing 1283 01:02:27,708 --> 01:02:30,336 and the way that they are in the world. 1284 01:02:30,419 --> 01:02:33,673 The money that I did save up went really quick. 1285 01:02:33,756 --> 01:02:38,010 And then I was just scraping by. 1286 01:02:38,094 --> 01:02:42,014 And it was the Christian community 1287 01:02:42,098 --> 01:02:45,017 that really came alongside me and helped me out. 1288 01:02:45,101 --> 01:02:48,229 There'd be times when I didn't know how I was gonna pay my rent 1289 01:02:48,312 --> 01:02:49,772 and somebody... 1290 01:02:49,939 --> 01:02:52,358 It was just people I don't even know, 1291 01:02:52,441 --> 01:02:55,653 just people who have read my story, who wanted to help. 1292 01:02:55,820 --> 01:02:59,824 When I left the business, I sold my house in Los Angeles. 1293 01:03:01,284 --> 01:03:03,452 First, I retired, 1294 01:03:03,536 --> 01:03:08,332 and then I decided, "I need to get out of LA." 1295 01:03:08,416 --> 01:03:10,960 I needed to get out of LA. 1296 01:03:11,043 --> 01:03:15,798 Everywhere I went, McDonald's drive-through, 1297 01:03:15,881 --> 01:03:19,719 nightclubs, the movie theater, the park, 1298 01:03:19,802 --> 01:03:21,387 Universal Studios. 1299 01:03:21,470 --> 01:03:25,099 I mean, you name it, I could not go anywhere. 1300 01:03:25,182 --> 01:03:27,727 I don't know how these big celebrities deal with it all. 1301 01:03:27,810 --> 01:03:30,479 They have to have bodyguards, of course, and stuff like that 1302 01:03:30,563 --> 01:03:35,318 'cause I did not have bodyguards and I could not handle it. 1303 01:03:35,484 --> 01:03:38,362 Is it possible to lead a normal life after you get out of it? 1304 01:03:38,446 --> 01:03:39,655 This is forever. 1305 01:03:39,739 --> 01:03:41,907 This is the scarlet letter. It never goes away. 1306 01:03:41,991 --> 01:03:46,120 You'll be dealing with the implications of this forever. 1307 01:03:47,997 --> 01:03:50,916 What tends to happen is that it isolates you. 1308 01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:55,254 And so you develop a fear 1309 01:03:56,380 --> 01:03:58,341 of being rejected again and again and again. 1310 01:03:58,466 --> 01:04:01,510 And so you put up walls between you and other people, 1311 01:04:01,594 --> 01:04:04,513 and you isolate yourself and you don't join communities. 1312 01:04:04,597 --> 01:04:08,476 And when you're isolated, you're less likely to suffer rejection 1313 01:04:08,559 --> 01:04:10,978 but you're also isolated and living on the edge. 1314 01:04:11,062 --> 01:04:15,149 So you can never get away from this. There's no solution. 1315 01:04:15,858 --> 01:04:19,195 To go from being a movie star 1316 01:04:20,654 --> 01:04:23,240 to Zippy the Pinhead overnight, 1317 01:04:23,324 --> 01:04:25,785 was just devastating to my ego. 1318 01:04:27,370 --> 01:04:29,705 If you're looking for a long career in the porn business, 1319 01:04:29,789 --> 01:04:32,375 you're probably looking in the wrong place. 1320 01:04:32,458 --> 01:04:38,172 The average girl might be good for two years. 1321 01:04:39,590 --> 01:04:42,385 Two to three years tops for the average girl. 1322 01:04:42,468 --> 01:04:45,012 If you're lucky and you're one of the few superstars, 1323 01:04:45,096 --> 01:04:48,724 not very many of those, then you get six, seven years, 1324 01:04:48,808 --> 01:04:50,142 eight years. 1325 01:04:50,226 --> 01:04:51,936 And if you play your cards right 1326 01:04:52,019 --> 01:04:53,896 and do your financial thing right, 1327 01:04:53,979 --> 01:04:57,775 then you can make some money and set yourself up. 1328 01:04:58,067 --> 01:04:59,985 Overall, I guess I'm happy I did it. 1329 01:05:00,069 --> 01:05:01,904 The only thing I don't like is that... 1330 01:05:01,987 --> 01:05:06,158 The main thing I really wanted to do is act and be in comedies and TV 1331 01:05:06,242 --> 01:05:07,618 and I feel like it holds me back. 1332 01:05:07,743 --> 01:05:10,204 But I don't know if I'd have just stuck with the normal route 1333 01:05:10,287 --> 01:05:12,456 if I would've ended up making it to TV at all. 1334 01:05:12,540 --> 01:05:15,543 I'd probably still be in Florida, going to castings, 1335 01:05:15,626 --> 01:05:17,795 I never maybe would have come out here. 1336 01:05:17,878 --> 01:05:21,048 I've gotten to do lots of Cinemax movies which are really fun, too. 1337 01:05:21,132 --> 01:05:24,176 All those things I've gotten to do because of, probably, the porn. 1338 01:05:24,260 --> 01:05:25,970 So, overall, I guess I'm happy I did it. 1339 01:05:26,137 --> 01:05:29,682 Part of the reason we're here in Utah is because porn is illegal here. 1340 01:05:29,765 --> 01:05:32,977 So it really helps keep me from being recognized. 1341 01:05:33,060 --> 01:05:34,770 That and the 40 extra pounds I gained! 1342 01:05:34,854 --> 01:05:38,232 But now that I'm losing that weight... 1343 01:05:38,315 --> 01:05:41,569 Well, I also cut off my hair so that helps, too. 1344 01:05:41,652 --> 01:05:45,239 Everyone's been really cool if they find out who I am. 1345 01:05:45,364 --> 01:05:46,699 They've been really good about it. 1346 01:05:46,782 --> 01:05:48,534 When I took Catty to her new daycare 1347 01:05:48,617 --> 01:05:51,287 and they asked if I had reference names 1348 01:05:51,412 --> 01:05:53,289 for who to call if something happens to Catty, 1349 01:05:53,372 --> 01:05:55,458 I said, "I don't know anybody here. Sorry." 1350 01:05:55,541 --> 01:05:57,168 She thought that was a little suspicious 1351 01:05:57,251 --> 01:05:59,378 and so she looked me up online. 1352 01:05:59,462 --> 01:06:02,798 I had given her the name "Asia Lemon." 1353 01:06:02,882 --> 01:06:05,134 From that name she managed to figure out who I was. 1354 01:06:05,217 --> 01:06:08,179 So the next day, she goes, "I did a little googling on you." 1355 01:06:08,262 --> 01:06:10,389 And I was like... 1356 01:06:11,599 --> 01:06:14,935 Miss Mormon mommy of four who did a little googling on Asia. 1357 01:06:15,019 --> 01:06:16,979 I was like, "So, you still gonna watch my kid?" 1358 01:06:18,230 --> 01:06:19,899 Unfortunately... 1359 01:06:21,233 --> 01:06:24,904 One of the reasons Vince Neil has me playing his charity tournament 1360 01:06:24,987 --> 01:06:27,156 for his daughter, for children's cancer and stuff, 1361 01:06:27,281 --> 01:06:29,492 and I played in the country... 1362 01:06:29,575 --> 01:06:32,536 Academy of Country Music Awards charity tournament this year 1363 01:06:32,620 --> 01:06:36,499 and a few other charity tournaments 'cause it's one of the only ways 1364 01:06:36,582 --> 01:06:38,209 that porn people can give to charities. 1365 01:06:38,292 --> 01:06:41,754 Unfortunately, in this hypocritical world, 1366 01:06:41,837 --> 01:06:43,923 a lot of charities don't want to accept money 1367 01:06:44,006 --> 01:06:46,008 from people that are in the sex business. 1368 01:06:46,133 --> 01:06:48,552 "The sex business. We can't do that." 1369 01:06:48,636 --> 01:06:52,306 Politicians, on the other hand, who make us look clean as hell, 1370 01:06:52,389 --> 01:06:54,600 no problem taking their money. 1371 01:06:54,683 --> 01:06:58,187 Unscrupulous businessmen ripping everybody off, no problem. 1372 01:06:58,270 --> 01:07:00,314 But because we have a little sex once in a while, 1373 01:07:00,397 --> 01:07:03,317 "No, can't do you," and that pissed me off. 1374 01:07:03,484 --> 01:07:05,653 I had one interesting moment in baseball 1375 01:07:05,736 --> 01:07:07,071 with my son in Little League. 1376 01:07:07,154 --> 01:07:09,865 I had told nobody about my career. 1377 01:07:11,075 --> 01:07:13,202 One day, the manager, who was this big black guy, 1378 01:07:13,285 --> 01:07:15,663 he was a Stanford graduate, 1379 01:07:15,746 --> 01:07:20,084 he comes up to me and he goes, "Gonna be some trouble today." 1380 01:07:20,167 --> 01:07:21,460 And I said, "What do you mean?" 1381 01:07:21,544 --> 01:07:24,046 He says, "One of the mothers knows who you are." 1382 01:07:25,464 --> 01:07:27,258 He looks at me and says, "I knew who you were 1383 01:07:27,341 --> 01:07:28,759 the minute you came on the field. 1384 01:07:28,842 --> 01:07:31,011 I'll tell you the truth. 1385 01:07:31,095 --> 01:07:34,098 Anybody that's been in Nina Hartley's booty is okay with me." 1386 01:07:36,392 --> 01:07:38,769 He said, "I will take care of this." And he did. 1387 01:07:38,936 --> 01:07:40,729 Mensa's a high IQ society. 1388 01:07:40,813 --> 01:07:45,025 You have to have an IQ in the top 2% to get in. 1389 01:07:45,109 --> 01:07:48,237 I got in with a notarized copy of my SAT scores. 1390 01:07:48,404 --> 01:07:50,239 Mensa didn't want to link to my website, 1391 01:07:50,322 --> 01:07:52,324 even though they link to all the members' websites 1392 01:07:52,408 --> 01:07:54,577 because of who I was, an adult star. 1393 01:07:55,202 --> 01:07:57,788 So that was their excuse, 1394 01:07:57,871 --> 01:08:00,583 and so I made them a special little web page of Asia, 1395 01:08:00,666 --> 01:08:03,294 just happy Asia with college pictures 1396 01:08:03,377 --> 01:08:05,629 and smiling Asia and just innocent stuff 1397 01:08:05,713 --> 01:08:07,715 and it's two pages. 1398 01:08:07,798 --> 01:08:10,342 So, that's where Mensa links to now instead of my regular site. 1399 01:08:10,551 --> 01:08:14,680 And they finally acknowledged me in their Mensa celebrity issue, 1400 01:08:14,763 --> 01:08:16,890 which was a really big moment for me. That was cool. 1401 01:08:17,808 --> 01:08:19,935 -Wait, how do you say it? -Unprecedented. 1402 01:08:20,019 --> 01:08:21,729 Unprecedented? It sounds weird. 1403 01:08:21,812 --> 01:08:23,022 Okay. 1404 01:08:24,273 --> 01:08:25,608 I've done something unprecedented 1405 01:08:25,691 --> 01:08:28,569 that nobody else in the adult industry has ever done. 1406 01:08:28,694 --> 01:08:32,531 And that was running for governor of California, actually two times. 1407 01:08:32,615 --> 01:08:35,618 And it was amazing, When I first started out, 1408 01:08:35,701 --> 01:08:37,536 the owner of my company and I thought 1409 01:08:37,620 --> 01:08:39,455 that it was gonna be just a little fun joke, 1410 01:08:39,538 --> 01:08:42,082 see if I could get some press, maybe get on avn.com. 1411 01:08:42,166 --> 01:08:45,336 So when I went down to the courthouse to get my paperwork. 1412 01:08:45,419 --> 01:08:48,380 Howard Stern Show sent a camera crew down, 1413 01:08:48,505 --> 01:08:50,674 Channel 7, Channel 5, all the news shows showed up. 1414 01:08:50,799 --> 01:08:52,551 Associated Press, Reuters. 1415 01:08:52,635 --> 01:08:55,012 That's when we are like, "I got to get on that ballot 1416 01:08:55,095 --> 01:08:56,513 because this is gonna be huge." 1417 01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:58,098 I'm going to get rid of the car tax 1418 01:08:58,182 --> 01:09:00,392 and put a tax on breast implants instead. 1419 01:09:00,517 --> 01:09:02,394 I will legalize gay marriage. 1420 01:09:02,478 --> 01:09:04,563 I will make sure everyone who files for unemployment 1421 01:09:04,647 --> 01:09:05,856 gets jury duty. 1422 01:09:05,939 --> 01:09:09,443 In other words, California, I'll be a kickass governor. 1423 01:09:09,526 --> 01:09:12,363 So vote for me, Mary Carey, on October 7th. 1424 01:09:12,905 --> 01:09:16,617 Of course, some of my platforms were very tongue in cheek and funny 1425 01:09:16,700 --> 01:09:18,827 but when I was getting towards the end of it, 1426 01:09:18,911 --> 01:09:21,080 I realized that I really wanted to make a difference 1427 01:09:21,163 --> 01:09:23,582 and I felt like I really was making a difference 1428 01:09:23,666 --> 01:09:25,501 because I was getting a lot of people 1429 01:09:25,584 --> 01:09:28,962 who normally wouldn't follow politics to follow because of me. 1430 01:09:29,046 --> 01:09:32,174 And then I was like, "What if I win?" 1431 01:09:32,257 --> 01:09:36,178 But coming in tenth place is pretty amazing out of 132 people. 1432 01:09:36,345 --> 01:09:38,055 When I was 18 years old, 1433 01:09:38,138 --> 01:09:40,557 I went to real estate school. 1434 01:09:40,641 --> 01:09:42,893 Just everything about real estate, I just really liked. 1435 01:09:42,976 --> 01:09:46,522 So I figured that I would always do something with that. 1436 01:09:46,605 --> 01:09:49,024 I was working for a builder, 1437 01:09:49,108 --> 01:09:51,777 a home builder here, 1438 01:09:51,860 --> 01:09:56,448 and Corporate came to my community 1439 01:09:56,532 --> 01:09:59,785 and shut the doors and said, "We need to talk to you. 1440 01:09:59,868 --> 01:10:03,247 Someone recognized you. We know who you are 1441 01:10:03,330 --> 01:10:05,916 and you are too recognizable 1442 01:10:05,999 --> 01:10:09,586 and we're too conservative of a company, 1443 01:10:09,670 --> 01:10:12,381 and we're gonna have to let you go." 1444 01:10:12,464 --> 01:10:17,136 That was a week before I got diagnosed with cancer. 1445 01:10:17,219 --> 01:10:19,138 The ones that got out of this business 1446 01:10:19,304 --> 01:10:23,767 and now are being blighted by the society that jacked off to them, 1447 01:10:23,892 --> 01:10:26,353 the society are the ones that's guilty for that. 1448 01:10:26,437 --> 01:10:28,814 They're damning them for something that gave them pleasure, 1449 01:10:28,897 --> 01:10:31,400 but they refuse to admit that they got the pleasure from them. 1450 01:10:31,483 --> 01:10:33,652 That's a very, very sad state of affairs. 1451 01:10:33,736 --> 01:10:35,904 I was starting to direct, 1452 01:10:35,988 --> 01:10:40,451 and I was hired a couple months later 1453 01:10:40,534 --> 01:10:43,162 to go to Germany to work. 1454 01:10:43,245 --> 01:10:45,038 I'd make about eight grand or something, 1455 01:10:45,122 --> 01:10:47,082 work eight days or something. 1456 01:10:47,166 --> 01:10:50,544 And I didn't want to do this anymore at this time. I didn't wanna do it. 1457 01:10:50,627 --> 01:10:54,423 So I left, said goodbye to her, stood in line two hours, 1458 01:10:54,548 --> 01:10:58,594 and as I'm going, I'm saying, "I don't want to go." 1459 01:10:58,719 --> 01:11:03,724 And it built up and built up until I finally got to the point of where, 1460 01:11:03,807 --> 01:11:07,060 "May I help you?" they said, the ticket counter. 1461 01:11:07,144 --> 01:11:10,189 I said, "No, I'm not going." 1462 01:11:10,272 --> 01:11:12,733 I took my bags, I call up Kathleen, 1463 01:11:12,858 --> 01:11:16,487 and I said, "Baby, I'm coming home. I don't want to go to Europe." 1464 01:11:16,612 --> 01:11:18,906 I'm thinking about the trip and I don't want to do this. 1465 01:11:19,031 --> 01:11:20,157 I want to stay home with her. 1466 01:11:20,282 --> 01:11:22,701 So, that was pretty much the last thing I did. 1467 01:11:22,868 --> 01:11:26,705 And, really what got me out of it was my husband 1468 01:11:26,789 --> 01:11:29,500 because, when I met Ron, 1469 01:11:29,583 --> 01:11:32,044 he had no idea who I used to be. 1470 01:11:32,127 --> 01:11:34,880 Ron loved me for me. 1471 01:11:34,963 --> 01:11:37,090 And he could have had a much younger woman, 1472 01:11:37,174 --> 01:11:39,009 could've had a much better-looking woman, 1473 01:11:39,092 --> 01:11:40,886 could've had a woman with a lot more money, 1474 01:11:40,969 --> 01:11:42,137 but he fell in love with me. 1475 01:11:42,221 --> 01:11:44,264 He didn't know anything about that part of me. 1476 01:11:44,348 --> 01:11:46,850 And the fact that he accepted me for who I was 1477 01:11:46,934 --> 01:11:49,019 and loved me for who I was, 1478 01:11:51,647 --> 01:11:53,106 taught me how to love me. 1479 01:11:53,941 --> 01:11:58,153 Really. And his love for me has reconnected me 1480 01:11:58,237 --> 01:12:01,698 with the person that I was before I ever did any of this crap. 1481 01:12:03,158 --> 01:12:06,161 All of a sudden, Mr. Right came into my life, 1482 01:12:06,245 --> 01:12:09,623 and I hated him when I first met him. 1483 01:12:09,706 --> 01:12:11,750 His whole life he was raised in Christian school. 1484 01:12:11,834 --> 01:12:14,086 He went to the same school, the same kids, 1485 01:12:14,169 --> 01:12:16,296 from kindergarten to twelfth grade. 1486 01:12:16,380 --> 01:12:19,091 He was Most Valuable Player, he did sports, 1487 01:12:19,174 --> 01:12:20,592 his mom had all these trophies. 1488 01:12:20,676 --> 01:12:23,846 She has a book this thick just on newspaper clippings on him. 1489 01:12:23,929 --> 01:12:26,306 So I was jealous already. I hated his guts. 1490 01:12:26,390 --> 01:12:27,975 He would knock on my door 1491 01:12:28,058 --> 01:12:29,810 and I'd answer and go, "What do you want?" 1492 01:12:29,893 --> 01:12:32,187 He goes, "I'm here to clean your house." 1493 01:12:32,271 --> 01:12:35,858 I'd be like, "What are you doing?" He goes, "You're filthy." 1494 01:12:35,941 --> 01:12:37,860 'Cause I didn't cook and I didn't clean 1495 01:12:37,943 --> 01:12:40,487 and I was falling apart. 1496 01:12:40,571 --> 01:12:43,615 So he literally cleaned my whole house with rags, for me, 1497 01:12:43,740 --> 01:12:46,326 and I just stopped working. 1498 01:12:46,410 --> 01:12:48,287 Didn't want to prostitute and lie anymore, 1499 01:12:48,370 --> 01:12:50,414 and we just hit it off and the next thing you know, 1500 01:12:50,497 --> 01:12:52,457 we're snorting meth and next thing you know, 1501 01:12:52,541 --> 01:12:54,585 we're reading the Bible together. 1502 01:12:54,668 --> 01:12:58,422 We're like, "Dude! Did you see how God used Joshua 1503 01:12:58,547 --> 01:13:00,632 to conquer all those cities, dude?" 1504 01:13:00,716 --> 01:13:03,051 And he'd be like, "Yeah..." 1505 01:13:03,176 --> 01:13:05,637 We were just so into the Bible! 1506 01:13:05,721 --> 01:13:08,432 And we realized that he had went to Christian school 1507 01:13:08,515 --> 01:13:10,726 his whole life and was a pastor's son, 1508 01:13:10,851 --> 01:13:13,812 so he had a really great Christian foundation, 1509 01:13:13,896 --> 01:13:18,609 and I didn't as much as him but he was so sweet. 1510 01:13:18,692 --> 01:13:21,278 He never once pursued me sexually. 1511 01:13:21,361 --> 01:13:26,283 So we ended up getting married on Valentine's Day, 1995. 1512 01:13:26,450 --> 01:13:30,704 I met my husband in a pool in Hollywood, Florida, 1513 01:13:30,787 --> 01:13:33,081 at the Diplomat Hotel. 1514 01:13:33,165 --> 01:13:35,292 And he was married at the time, 1515 01:13:35,375 --> 01:13:37,711 and I had a boyfriend at the time. 1516 01:13:37,794 --> 01:13:40,088 And he was in the middle of splitting up, 1517 01:13:40,172 --> 01:13:42,799 and I was kind of done with that 1518 01:13:42,883 --> 01:13:44,885 little tryst, 1519 01:13:44,968 --> 01:13:49,598 and I told him I was in the middle of putting a web page together, 1520 01:13:49,681 --> 01:13:51,558 and he said, "Okay," 1521 01:13:51,642 --> 01:13:55,354 and it had to be maybe three months after I got my first website up 1522 01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:57,689 that I got an email from him. 1523 01:13:57,773 --> 01:13:59,149 We went out once. That was it. 1524 01:13:59,232 --> 01:14:01,068 We haven't been apart since. 1525 01:14:01,151 --> 01:14:04,655 My husband died in a car accident driving home from Las Vegas. 1526 01:14:04,738 --> 01:14:08,075 I had asked him not to do this whole gig, actually. 1527 01:14:08,158 --> 01:14:09,326 I was eight months pregnant, 1528 01:14:09,409 --> 01:14:11,787 I didn't want him away from me that long, 1529 01:14:11,870 --> 01:14:14,581 and he's like, "I got to do it." He cut it down to two days, 1530 01:14:14,665 --> 01:14:16,792 so he was really happy coming home on the second day 1531 01:14:16,875 --> 01:14:19,002 that he was all done with this and he came racing home 1532 01:14:19,086 --> 01:14:21,505 to be with his pregnant wife and he flipped the jeep 1533 01:14:21,588 --> 01:14:23,590 and didn't ever make it home. 1534 01:14:23,674 --> 01:14:25,550 Suddenly, he's gone, and now here I am, 1535 01:14:25,634 --> 01:14:27,844 got no more income coming in and all these bills to pay 1536 01:14:27,928 --> 01:14:30,097 and it was just one thing on top of another. 1537 01:14:30,180 --> 01:14:34,851 So I put up a plea on my website asking for donations. 1538 01:14:34,935 --> 01:14:36,478 I didn't know what else to do. 1539 01:14:36,603 --> 01:14:38,939 No insurance, no money, bills. 1540 01:14:39,064 --> 01:14:42,901 My fans donated enormous amounts of money. 1541 01:14:42,985 --> 01:14:46,488 The kids were completely spoiled. They got toys and books and presents 1542 01:14:46,613 --> 01:14:49,366 and stuff with pictures on it. It was unbelievable. 1543 01:14:49,449 --> 01:14:51,618 It made me cry all the time when I'd open all the mail 1544 01:14:51,702 --> 01:14:53,161 from all these people I'd never met 1545 01:14:53,245 --> 01:14:56,248 and it was just really wonderful how the fans turned out to help me 1546 01:14:56,331 --> 01:14:58,917 because I'd been online for ten years. They'd watched me grow up, 1547 01:14:59,001 --> 01:15:00,502 I'd never asked for anything before. 1548 01:15:00,585 --> 01:15:02,379 I needed help, and they helped me. 1549 01:15:02,546 --> 01:15:06,049 I faced those up and downs in life many, many times, 1550 01:15:06,133 --> 01:15:08,301 certainly with my real estate practice 1551 01:15:08,385 --> 01:15:11,138 and when the market dropped in real estate, 1552 01:15:11,221 --> 01:15:15,475 and now that the market is dropping all the way across the board, 1553 01:15:15,559 --> 01:15:18,645 the country is in crisis. Our whole country is in crisis. 1554 01:15:18,729 --> 01:15:22,441 It would be really easy for me right now 1555 01:15:22,524 --> 01:15:27,487 to want to re-investigate porn. 1556 01:15:27,654 --> 01:15:29,239 I definitely want to have kids. 1557 01:15:29,322 --> 01:15:31,366 I was actually very depressed recently 1558 01:15:31,450 --> 01:15:34,036 because I'm realizing that I'm 28 years old 1559 01:15:34,119 --> 01:15:36,038 and I'm not married and I have no kids. 1560 01:15:36,121 --> 01:15:37,998 And I really want kids. 1561 01:15:38,081 --> 01:15:40,042 And I'd like to have at least two, maybe three 1562 01:15:40,125 --> 01:15:42,711 because being an only child, I always wished I had a sibling. 1563 01:15:42,794 --> 01:15:44,755 I still wish I had a brother or sister. 1564 01:15:44,838 --> 01:15:47,549 That's something I've always wanted. 1565 01:15:48,759 --> 01:15:51,553 I have a gorgeous family. 1566 01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:54,181 My son is amazing. He's my angel. 1567 01:15:57,059 --> 01:15:59,227 My daughter is the best thing that ever happened to me. 1568 01:15:59,352 --> 01:16:00,353 She saved my life. 1569 01:16:00,437 --> 01:16:02,647 I want my daughter to have a completely different life. 1570 01:16:02,731 --> 01:16:06,068 I want her to go to college, is number one. 1571 01:16:06,151 --> 01:16:08,779 She's a great student. She's a track star. 1572 01:16:08,862 --> 01:16:12,199 She's had to deal with my porn life. 1573 01:16:12,282 --> 01:16:14,910 She hates it. 1574 01:16:14,993 --> 01:16:16,870 She's embarrassed of it. 1575 01:16:16,953 --> 01:16:21,583 She doesn't want me to go to her track meets 1576 01:16:21,666 --> 01:16:24,211 because she feels someone would recognize me. 1577 01:16:24,294 --> 01:16:25,837 We're going to church now. 1578 01:16:25,921 --> 01:16:30,175 I go to church and I have a strong faith 1579 01:16:30,258 --> 01:16:33,178 and I have changed my life. 1580 01:16:33,303 --> 01:16:36,681 And I want for her everything that... 1581 01:16:36,765 --> 01:16:39,851 I don't want her to ever have to experience what I experienced. 1582 01:16:40,727 --> 01:16:42,020 In the moment? Thank you. 1583 01:16:43,313 --> 01:16:45,273 For being who you are. 1584 01:16:45,357 --> 01:16:47,025 'Cause you're a pretty cool dude. 1585 01:16:48,235 --> 01:16:49,569 -Can I get that in writing? -Sure! 1586 01:16:49,653 --> 01:16:51,571 I'll give it to you in writing. 1587 01:16:52,030 --> 01:16:53,115 You're welcome. 1588 01:16:54,908 --> 01:16:56,993 It's interesting. What I'm sitting here, thinking is, 1589 01:16:57,077 --> 01:16:58,787 "I wonder how many other people out there 1590 01:16:58,870 --> 01:17:01,206 can have this kind of conversation with their parents?" 1591 01:17:01,289 --> 01:17:04,000 Most people can't think about their parents having sex 1592 01:17:04,084 --> 01:17:07,838 or especially fucking somebody other than their mother. 1593 01:17:07,921 --> 01:17:09,965 That alone would irritate a lot of children, 1594 01:17:10,090 --> 01:17:12,509 but it's very normalized 1595 01:17:12,592 --> 01:17:15,095 in that sex is a goody that should be enjoyed. 1596 01:17:15,220 --> 01:17:18,390 When you can differentiate between sex and love 1597 01:17:18,473 --> 01:17:21,768 and everything that happens in between, 1598 01:17:21,852 --> 01:17:24,187 it's a huge gift that you can give yourself 1599 01:17:24,312 --> 01:17:26,857 and lovers and partners and friends and family. 1600 01:17:26,940 --> 01:17:30,360 And I'm grateful that that's my world. 1601 01:17:34,614 --> 01:17:35,740 I'm impressed. 1602 01:17:37,284 --> 01:17:41,705 She is my role model. She is my hero. 1603 01:17:41,788 --> 01:17:45,375 And I think I've learned a lot from my mom. 1604 01:17:45,458 --> 01:17:47,878 She's gone through a lot and I even tell people 1605 01:17:47,961 --> 01:17:50,422 that she's my hero and she's my role model. 1606 01:17:50,505 --> 01:17:52,674 She's just like, "Whatever. I did it for my daughter." 1607 01:17:52,799 --> 01:17:55,343 And now she's doing what she wants. She owns her own business 1608 01:17:55,427 --> 01:17:58,180 and no matter how many people talk down about her, 1609 01:17:58,263 --> 01:18:00,765 she still does what she wants to do and she's successful at it. 1610 01:18:00,849 --> 01:18:04,269 So I guess she's just a good example of, 1611 01:18:04,352 --> 01:18:07,189 don't let other people bring you down. Just keep doing what you're doing 1612 01:18:07,314 --> 01:18:09,774 and you'll be successful in what you want to do. 1613 01:18:09,858 --> 01:18:13,320 So. I'm very proud of you, just so you know that. 1614 01:18:13,445 --> 01:18:15,655 Please don't start crying 'cause then I'll start crying. 1615 01:18:15,739 --> 01:18:17,032 I'm not gonna cry! 1616 01:18:17,115 --> 01:18:18,450 I will start crying. 1617 01:18:18,617 --> 01:18:21,578 Since my husband died, there wasn't a lot for me to look forward to, 1618 01:18:21,661 --> 01:18:24,456 so it's kind of nice to have that. 1619 01:18:24,539 --> 01:18:27,083 Mom, your husband died? 1620 01:18:28,293 --> 01:18:29,669 Daddy. Where's Daddy? 1621 01:18:30,837 --> 01:18:33,381 -Where's Daddy? -Up in the clouds. 1622 01:18:33,548 --> 01:18:36,676 There comes a point in our life when family becomes first, 1623 01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:39,971 and the answer to the question. 1624 01:18:41,181 --> 01:18:42,766 It just doesn't even take a beat. 1625 01:18:42,933 --> 01:18:45,101 Sometimes... 1626 01:18:47,103 --> 01:18:49,856 We have the opportunity to see our friends and family. 1627 01:18:49,981 --> 01:18:52,275 I think Chuck would really appreciate 1628 01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:54,653 that we're here today. 1629 01:18:55,737 --> 01:18:58,156 There was something uniquely vital about Buck Adams 1630 01:18:58,365 --> 01:19:00,617 that could brighten up the darkest moment 1631 01:19:00,742 --> 01:19:04,079 and put a grin on the face of the bleakest situation. 1632 01:19:04,162 --> 01:19:09,167 With a body that appeared to be hewn from a granite block of cement 1633 01:19:09,251 --> 01:19:13,171 and an intensity that provided his fans with vicarious sustenance, 1634 01:19:13,255 --> 01:19:14,756 Buck Adams will always be remembered 1635 01:19:14,839 --> 01:19:17,008 as the guy who got it up when it counted. 1636 01:19:18,385 --> 01:19:19,886 Like I said, 1637 01:19:21,888 --> 01:19:24,432 if you knew it was gonna happen, 1638 01:19:24,516 --> 01:19:26,226 what would you have said? 1639 01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:29,980 And you don't always get that chance. 1640 01:19:31,773 --> 01:19:36,194 But right now in my life, I regret doing porn. 1641 01:19:37,570 --> 01:19:39,406 I regret doing porn 1642 01:19:39,489 --> 01:19:42,492 and I never thought, ever, 1643 01:19:42,575 --> 01:19:47,122 that I would be who I became, 1644 01:19:47,205 --> 01:19:48,707 Houston. 1645 01:19:49,082 --> 01:19:52,961 I never thought I would be so big and so recognizable 1646 01:19:53,044 --> 01:19:57,882 and I just never thought it'd turn into what it did for me. 1647 01:19:58,049 --> 01:20:01,636 And God just says, "Shelley, I'm telling you, 1648 01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:03,888 you need to trust me. 1649 01:20:03,972 --> 01:20:05,765 I've got something better for you. I love you. 1650 01:20:06,016 --> 01:20:10,895 I didn't save your ass all these years not to give you something better." 1651 01:20:11,021 --> 01:20:12,939 Well, looking back, 1652 01:20:14,149 --> 01:20:18,194 honestly, I can't really go on my computer 1653 01:20:18,278 --> 01:20:21,197 and look at stuff that I used to do anymore. 1654 01:20:21,281 --> 01:20:24,159 It just makes me... I'm so different. 1655 01:20:24,242 --> 01:20:27,287 I feel so different now, where I am in life. 1656 01:20:27,370 --> 01:20:30,498 It's really hard for me to believe that I was that girl. 1657 01:20:31,166 --> 01:20:34,878 So, yes, it has changed me. For the better, I believe. 1658 01:20:34,961 --> 01:20:38,631 The porn business has afforded me a very comfortable life. 1659 01:20:38,715 --> 01:20:40,967 It has allowed me to educate myself in ways 1660 01:20:41,092 --> 01:20:44,137 that I probably wouldn't have been able to do before. 1661 01:20:44,721 --> 01:20:47,766 It's enabled me to travel all over the world, 1662 01:20:47,849 --> 01:20:50,435 and meet new and interesting people. 1663 01:20:50,518 --> 01:20:55,982 And it's allowed me to have the cojones, 1664 01:20:56,107 --> 01:20:58,777 if you will, to try new and exciting things 1665 01:20:58,860 --> 01:21:00,779 that I probably wouldn't have done before, 1666 01:21:00,862 --> 01:21:02,614 I would have been afraid to do. 1667 01:21:02,697 --> 01:21:05,658 I have no fear to do anything. 1668 01:21:05,742 --> 01:21:10,080 Because as people, we have to fully and freely accept ourself 1669 01:21:10,163 --> 01:21:11,581 for everything we are and we're not 1670 01:21:11,664 --> 01:21:17,587 because if we compartmentalize, we're never a whole self. 1671 01:21:17,670 --> 01:21:19,881 Especially in relationships, 1672 01:21:19,964 --> 01:21:23,051 we don't get to bring our whole self. 1673 01:21:23,134 --> 01:21:26,679 What I am afraid of the most is because I've lasted so long 1674 01:21:26,763 --> 01:21:30,100 and this industry is now heading toward its fourth decade 1675 01:21:30,183 --> 01:21:31,559 of presence on this earth, 1676 01:21:31,643 --> 01:21:33,353 that the people who created this business, 1677 01:21:33,436 --> 01:21:35,772 the Eric Edwardses, the Jamie Gillises, 1678 01:21:35,855 --> 01:21:38,817 the John Leslies, the great pioneers of this business, 1679 01:21:38,900 --> 01:21:40,985 are not gonna be with us forever 1680 01:21:41,069 --> 01:21:44,614 and I hope to be around long enough to honor them, 1681 01:21:44,697 --> 01:21:46,658 but I don't want to do it fast and furiously 1682 01:21:46,741 --> 01:21:49,077 because when they start to fall by the wayside, 1683 01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:50,912 somebody's gonna have to remember them. 1684 01:21:50,995 --> 01:21:53,248 It's based on a line that, "There is no future 1685 01:21:53,331 --> 01:21:56,292 if in the present we fail to pay homage to the past." 1686 01:21:56,376 --> 01:21:59,629 But a lot of them are now in their fifties and sixties, 1687 01:21:59,712 --> 01:22:01,214 some of them in their seventies, 1688 01:22:01,297 --> 01:22:05,510 and somebody is going to have to be there to tell their stories. 1689 01:22:05,593 --> 01:22:07,929 Eventually this woman is gonna say... 1690 01:22:10,223 --> 01:22:13,309 And then when you're 85 and you can't walk no more 1691 01:22:13,393 --> 01:22:15,103 and you're in a wheelchair, she's gonna say, 1692 01:22:15,186 --> 01:22:18,106 "You remember when you wanted to have sex all day? 1693 01:22:18,189 --> 01:22:19,941 Yeah, what do you mean, You want what? 1694 01:22:20,024 --> 01:22:21,776 What do you want? 1695 01:22:21,860 --> 01:22:23,570 No, no, no, now I'm getting back at you." 1696 01:22:24,904 --> 01:22:27,490 I miss many things about the business, 1697 01:22:28,908 --> 01:22:34,497 but I guess the clearest way to say it concisely would be... 1698 01:22:34,581 --> 01:22:36,291 The biblical phrase occurs to me, 1699 01:22:36,374 --> 01:22:39,169 "When I was a child, I spake as a child, 1700 01:22:39,252 --> 01:22:42,172 and when I was a man, I put away childish things." 1701 01:22:42,255 --> 01:22:44,507 I'm trying to think of Joe Namath. 1702 01:22:44,632 --> 01:22:46,593 Joe, do you miss football? 1703 01:22:46,676 --> 01:22:50,054 Sure he does, but he can't play like he used to. 1704 01:22:50,138 --> 01:22:53,308 He's 65 years old now. 1705 01:22:53,433 --> 01:22:54,809 I'm in the same place. 1706 01:22:54,893 --> 01:22:57,145 Am I happy I did porn? Yeah. 1707 01:22:57,312 --> 01:22:59,647 I really don't have too many regrets 1708 01:22:59,731 --> 01:23:02,358 'cause so much stuff came out of it that was positive. 1709 01:23:02,442 --> 01:23:04,652 I got to travel around the world, 1710 01:23:04,736 --> 01:23:07,322 met a lot of interesting people, 1711 01:23:07,447 --> 01:23:09,699 I'm way over my quota sexually. 1712 01:23:09,782 --> 01:23:12,577 I think people ask me and I guess the estimate's 1713 01:23:12,660 --> 01:23:15,663 I've been with 3,000 women or something like that. 1714 01:23:15,747 --> 01:23:17,832 Most of them were awesome to work with. 1715 01:23:17,916 --> 01:23:20,043 Still friends with a lot of 'em. 1716 01:23:21,377 --> 01:23:23,963 So, yeah, overall, it was a hell of an experience. 1717 01:23:24,047 --> 01:23:25,965 Essentially I am living my life right now 1718 01:23:26,049 --> 01:23:28,051 the way I want to live it for the rest of my life. 1719 01:23:28,134 --> 01:23:31,471 I want to die doing what I'm doing right now. 1720 01:23:31,554 --> 01:23:33,389 How many people can say that? 1721 01:23:33,556 --> 01:23:36,142 I live here and I have a place that I love this much. 1722 01:23:36,226 --> 01:23:38,937 I think I'm as lucky as anybody could be on earth. 1723 01:23:39,062 --> 01:23:41,189 I don't know what the hell to ask for. 1724 01:23:42,732 --> 01:23:44,234 I'm happy. 1725 01:23:45,401 --> 01:23:46,694 I'm not in a dark place. 1726 01:23:46,778 --> 01:23:51,032 I'm not suicidal. I'm not doing drugs. 1727 01:23:51,115 --> 01:23:53,826 I'm not self-destructive. 1728 01:23:53,910 --> 01:23:56,204 But the last two years has been a journey, 1729 01:23:56,287 --> 01:23:59,499 'cause I was very self-destructive before. 1730 01:23:59,582 --> 01:24:01,376 I'm not saying it changed overnight. 1731 01:24:01,459 --> 01:24:04,128 I still have self-destructive thoughts, 1732 01:24:04,712 --> 01:24:10,301 but I'm just in a healthier place all around. 1733 01:24:11,010 --> 01:24:14,138 You hear some people we talk to who are leading normal lives 1734 01:24:14,222 --> 01:24:17,058 and are doing pretty good. How the hell would you really know? 1735 01:24:17,141 --> 01:24:21,229 How would you know what really goes on in their life at 2:00 a.m.? 1736 01:24:21,312 --> 01:24:23,815 The torment... How would you know? 1737 01:24:23,898 --> 01:24:25,608 Are they gonna tell you about all the times 1738 01:24:25,692 --> 01:24:27,485 they've been rejected and isolated 1739 01:24:27,569 --> 01:24:32,156 and the horror and the shame that their children confront 1740 01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:34,200 and that their spouses confront 1741 01:24:34,284 --> 01:24:36,911 and the shame that they've put their families through 1742 01:24:36,995 --> 01:24:40,915 and the relationships that have been permanently broken? 1743 01:24:40,999 --> 01:24:44,794 All the burned bridges behind them because they've done sex work. 1744 01:24:44,877 --> 01:24:48,631 Most families aren't proud when their daughters become hookers. 1745 01:24:48,715 --> 01:24:50,133 I think the difference 1746 01:24:50,216 --> 01:24:54,512 between me and the other girls in the industry 1747 01:24:54,596 --> 01:25:00,476 was that I really enjoyed being there and not just the sex. 1748 01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:03,771 I used it to better myself as a person. 1749 01:25:03,855 --> 01:25:06,566 I never let the industry take advantage of me in any way. 1750 01:25:06,649 --> 01:25:08,776 I always took advantage of the industry. 1751 01:25:08,860 --> 01:25:10,278 I made phenomenal amounts of money, 1752 01:25:10,361 --> 01:25:13,615 I produced movies, I wrote movies, I starred in them. 1753 01:25:13,698 --> 01:25:15,658 People were paying me hundreds of dollars an hour 1754 01:25:15,783 --> 01:25:18,703 to sign autographs? I'm with this! 1755 01:25:20,788 --> 01:25:23,249 The other girls leave with a bad taste in their mouth. 1756 01:25:24,334 --> 01:25:26,919 I have nothing but good memories when I look back. 1757 01:25:27,128 --> 01:25:30,590 If I wanted to go back into porn, I could get a contract in any company 1758 01:25:30,715 --> 01:25:32,425 and still just do straight boy-girl scenes. 1759 01:25:32,508 --> 01:25:34,510 When I'm 32, if I want to go back to porn 1760 01:25:34,594 --> 01:25:37,555 because I'm really broke, let's say, hopefully it won't happen, 1761 01:25:37,639 --> 01:25:39,265 I'd tell a porn company, 1762 01:25:39,349 --> 01:25:41,809 "I'm gonna come back and do two guys and do anal." 1763 01:25:41,893 --> 01:25:44,062 If I'm 35 and broke, I need to do porn, 1764 01:25:44,145 --> 01:25:46,939 I'll tell 'em I'll do a black guy. 1765 01:25:47,106 --> 01:25:50,234 There isn't that much of a future after the X-rated industry 1766 01:25:50,318 --> 01:25:53,696 because somehow, somewhere, somebody will find you. 1767 01:25:53,780 --> 01:25:56,449 The famous line I used to say to anybody walking into my office 1768 01:25:56,532 --> 01:25:58,701 when I ran the biggest agency, "What are you gonna do 1769 01:25:58,785 --> 01:26:00,995 ten years from now when your kid brings home a magazine 1770 01:26:01,079 --> 01:26:03,831 with you laying in the middle of it with a candle shoved up your ass? 1771 01:26:03,915 --> 01:26:06,709 You gonna tell 'em you were playing the part of a birthday cake?" 1772 01:26:06,793 --> 01:26:08,169 It doesn't go away. 1773 01:26:08,961 --> 01:26:11,464 My husband and my son changed my life. 1774 01:26:14,759 --> 01:26:16,302 And my son saved my life. 1775 01:26:19,222 --> 01:26:22,058 And looking at him every day 1776 01:26:22,141 --> 01:26:24,977 reminds me how precious life is 1777 01:26:27,021 --> 01:26:31,275 and how throwing it away on drugs and alcohol 1778 01:26:31,359 --> 01:26:35,279 and just the stupid crap that's out there... 1779 01:26:36,197 --> 01:26:38,449 God, it's just so not worth it.147365

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