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Fishie?
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Fishies say nothing.
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You're right. Fishies don't say anything.
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We don't get TV in this house.
We all have computers.
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My daughter and my son are three and two
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and they each have their own computers
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and they're lined up
next to mommy's computers.
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My little girl
is really, really super smart.
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She can use a computer really well.
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She surfs around online
and she uses Photoshop and Word.
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She's only three years old.
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She can read and write and use
a computer just like an adult.
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She's pretty amazing.
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I didn't plan to be a single mom
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or to be stuck in the middle of the desert
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where I don't know anybody.
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It's just of all been thrown for a loop.
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So, then I said, "We got to arrest him,"
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so we arrested him.
And he cried like a baby, didn't he?
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"I can't go back to jail!"
He just cried like a baby. I said, "Okay."
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I gave him the opportunity to make
very small, reasonable payments.
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He didn't make any of them.
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I warned him if he didn't,
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I'd come and take his grandma's car.
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That's what he forced us to do.
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The day that I took this car,
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his little 87-year-old grandma or mother
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was out there with her walker,
watching us take her car.
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It was one of the hardest things
I've ever had to do.
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But you know what? Business is business.
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So, now the clay
is pretty much conditioned,
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it's ready to be worked with.
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We're gonna give ourselves a base,
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and then he will be put into action.
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I would see if he can find a girlfriend
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since he's gone through
this radical surgical procedure
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to have his penis reinstalled.
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Imagine how happy he is when he wakes up
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and finds out he's got a dick again.
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That's a big day in a coyote's life.
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And I knew that getting this opportunity
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to be on a mainstream show...
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I knew my whole life,
once I got out to LA,
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once I could get on a reality show
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and get the opportunity to show people
about me,
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that would be the big thing
I need to move mainstream.
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I just need that one opportunity
to get there.
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No! What happens is,
you're trying to put it in,
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it bends. It's better if it's a solid one.
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-That's reality right there.
-No, I'm not kidding.
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But one like this, it goes faster.
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And it comes from the story
of the Old Testament, the story of Hosea.
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And this is kind of
a modern day adaptation of that.
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That's just all God.
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God is amazing.
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-God bless you and take care.
-Thank you.
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I'm definitely still growing spiritually.
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I don't think you can ever quit growing.
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There's always room to get closer to God
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and things to learn about him,
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and ways to change your life
and to improve.
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-It is a mess.
-You're a mess.
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It's a mess.
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But that's the way gnocchis are.
A little bit of a mess.
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It's, like, a guy told me once,
when he was painting me.
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Is that how it was more basic
and then he...
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It was just a painting I did
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and then one day I took it out
and I just started painting
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all this other stuff in there
and just went in with these reds.
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I don't remember what it looked like
before. I can't remember.
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Hard to keep a band together.
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I only wanted to play with guys
that I really loved playing with.
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'Cause it all comes together.
It's like summer theater.
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"I got a barn!" "I got the instruments!"
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"We'll put our own show on!"
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It still has that element.
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This is one of the Chinatown series.
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From my hometown.
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After the mill closed.
I mean, pretty much closed.
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What'd you get last year for your birthday
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-from Aunt Lynny?
-A Power Ranger suit.
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You got what? No, you didn't!
That was for Halloween.
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You got an electric guitar.
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Electric guitar.
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A real electric guitar.
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Why? 'Cause you told Aunt Lynny
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you wanted to grow up to be a rock star.
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I just see a beautiful girl
and I just want to hug her.
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Well, I really love this one right here.
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I currently reach out to women and men
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in the sex and porn industry
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and I absolutely love
pulling them out of the pit,
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the porn industry pit.
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It's 1,800 square feet
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and the guest house
is around 600 square feet.
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That little garage area, I don't know.
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It took me about a year
to really get serious
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about studying.
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And it took me three times
to pass the test,
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but I did it
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and here I am.
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Got into real estate.
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I've been in it for five years.
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-For him?
-Yep.
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Dark and mild?
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-No, he likes the dark, heavy.
-Dark and heavy.
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When I'm at home,
I run around with no makeup on,
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a pair of sweatpants, barefoot, a T-shirt,
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and I'm usually out in the yard, digging
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because I like to plant things.
I like to grow things.
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Or decorating my house.
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I like to do crafty things.
Like, you know, I don't--
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I know I don't seem
like the domestic goddess,
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but I like to make things for the house
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and I love to cook.
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And I'm a very good cook.
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I had a little bit of some bad,
terrible, terrible news
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this April.
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I was diagnosed
with stage three melanoma cancer.
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So, for the past four or five months,
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I've been dealing with that and on chemo.
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They recommended complete dissection
of the lymph nodes,
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and then to be
on heavy-dose interferon,
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which would be intravenous,
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which I'd get five times a week
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for the first month and then after that,
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three times a week for 11 months,
for the rest of the year.
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And it's been tough.
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It's actually great here because...
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How many porno stars live here?
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There's some more coming in.
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Sunset, Houston.
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Taylor St. Claire just moved here.
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Whatever happened to...
She was really hot. I loved her.
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What happened to that... God damn it.
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I don't know their names.
I'm bad with this.
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You remember their tits. Yeah.
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Oh, God, she was...
That doesn't make any difference.
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She was living here
for a long time. She was so hot.
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Racquel Darrian!
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Yeah. She just moved out of town.
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Yeah, she just moved out of town.
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And that's the only thing
I missed out on in life.
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I've done pretty much everything I wanted.
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I did want to have kids.
Didn't have the opportunity.
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Didn't meet the right woman
at the right time.
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So I do kind of miss out on that.
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But nobody gets everything.
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There's other guys that have great kids
and they love every minute of it.
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They kind of wish
they were me, fantasy-wise,
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but nobody gets everything.
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AFTER PORN ENDS
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I started modeling in ninth grade.
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My mom put me through modeling school,
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graduated from modeling school,
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started doing beauty pageants
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and model searches and bikini contests.
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So, I was exposed
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to not so much the adult industry,
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but just knowing that
I could make money with my body.
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I had a roommate at the time
that was a dancer
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and she knew an agent.
His name was Jim Salf.
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He said, "Hey, there's a producer
that saw your picture,
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and he'd like you to come do a movie.
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How would you like to do a movie?"
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And I said, "Well,
I've never done a movie before,
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but sure, I could do it. No problem."
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I went down and I had braids
like Bo Derek at the time
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and did my first scene.
It was a three-way.
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I had never even been with a woman.
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I didn't know what to do with a woman,
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I had no idea what I was doing.
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But the minute those lights hit me,
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I swear that was
where I was supposed to be.
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Everyone said, "Do it, do it, do it."
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The more you do,
the more money you can make
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dancing on the dance circuit,
the more magazines you can do,
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the more you're exposed, you can...
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I mean, I have a sex toy line.
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"Now we want to do an action figure
of you." "Okay!"
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I mean, all of it was just like, "Cool!"
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"Sign me up! Sure!"
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I was just having a blast.
I mean, there were fans
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lined up for miles and miles
and miles that flew...
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Some people came from Poland
and Berlin.
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And come to think of it,
when I went to Poland
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to sign autographs and whatever,
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when I got off the plane,
I needed a bodyguard.
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I mean, for a porn star
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to be that big around the world,
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it was unbelievable.
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I felt like I was a true superstar.
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People were knocking each other down.
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Here's Houston!
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Over the Dalai Lama in the newspaper.
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I was the headliner.
I mean, that's unbelievable.
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I was still under contract.
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I was with Metro Productions
for a few years.
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And they're the ones that
also produced the Houston 500,
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the world's biggest gang bang.
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At that point,
when I first signed with Metro,
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it was already known going in
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that I was gonna take over
Jasmin St. Claire's title
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and do this gang bang.
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So, going into my contract with Metro,
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I already knew
that I was gonna be doing that.
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So, I wasn't looking for things to...
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"I've got to be more crazy and wild."
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Honestly, it just
all came to me naturally.
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I mean, I had a labiaplasty,
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and that was before
a lot of women even knew
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that they can get their labia trimmed
if you have larger labia lips.
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And when I did that, it was like, "Oh."
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It was just a no-brainer.
I'm gonna encase that in lucite
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and auction it, the trimmings.
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I mean, things just came to me.
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I was just a publicity whore.
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I was good at it.
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I had invested my money.
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I bought a home
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as well as put a lot of money
in mutual funds.
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And many years ago,
when the stock market went kaput,
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I lost almost all my savings.
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And that hurt me.
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But I did still have my house
that I owned in LA,
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and then when things got rough,
of course I sold it.
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Not for financial reasons,
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but when I wanted to get out
of the industry.
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I'm Professor of Communications Studies
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and Psychology at UCLA.
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I study a variety of topics,
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but one of the major areas
that I study is pornography.
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Let's see. So, since 1984,
I've done about 600 films,
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about 1,000 scenes, give or take.
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I've won several dozen awards
for acting and sex performances
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and fan favorite and this and that.
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I think I might be up this year
for Best Non-Sex Role
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'cause I've also moved into
the occasional character part
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that doesn't involve having sex.
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I write about the sex industry
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pretty much from the fall of 1995
until the fall of 2007.
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A History of X:
100 Years of Sex in Film
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is the name of my first book.
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I've been in
the adult entertainment industry
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for basically 35, 36 years
in every capacity.
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I started as a writer,
became an actor, director, agent.
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And now I'm sort of the papa bear
to the adult entertainment industry,
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Protecting Adult Welfare, which I run,
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and watch over
the overaged juvenile delinquents
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in what I refer to
as the playpen of the damned,
251
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which is the X-rated industry.
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What we give them
in the adult entertainment industry
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for a brief, shiny moment,
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is immortality, validation
and credibility.
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Every one of us,
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no matter how insignificant
we may think we are,
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wants to be recognized at one time
or another in our lives.
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When you went to those conventions,
they lined up at your booth
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like they were getting signatures
from professional athletes.
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My parents divorced.
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My dad took us far away
from our mother, ran away with us.
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He became an alcoholic.
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Then I moved in with my mom
264
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and the family relationship changed.
265
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I felt kind of lost.
266
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I worked a regular job
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in an office for five years.
268
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But while I was doing those things,
I also found a modeling website
269
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and I put my pictures on the website.
270
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And then,
I was still working in the office,
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but people were emailing me
about doing shoots.
272
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And I thought it would be cool
273
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to do bikini stuff or...
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Even though I never really even
walked around in bikinis,
275
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I thought it would be kind of neat.
276
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So, eventually, I did take a job doing...
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They were only asking me to do nudes,
278
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and eventually I just did it.
279
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I went to my first shoot in a hotel room,
280
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and it was just supposed to be topless
281
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and it was really scary.
282
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It was weird.
283
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Well, ever since I got into the business,
284
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I always got emails that said that,
"You don't look quite comfortable."
285
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And I think that it was the innocence
286
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that attracted a lot of my fans,
287
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is that I didn't look
totally comfortable in anything I did.
288
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Even if I was speaking,
I didn't look comfortable.
289
00:14:09,854 --> 00:14:13,275
I never looked confident.
I wasn't very verbal.
290
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I wasn't over the top
with noises or anything.
291
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I don't know. I just started feeling
292
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really depressed about it, honestly.
293
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And then I hit rock bottom,
myself, emotionally,
294
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where I got really upset
295
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and I'd go in the bathroom
and I threw a glass on the ground.
296
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And then I was just crying,
fall to the ground,
297
00:14:41,428 --> 00:14:44,598
and just started pounding my wrists
into the glass
298
00:14:44,681 --> 00:14:47,518
and blood just started going everywhere.
299
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I don't know.
I just kind of lost that hope.
300
00:14:51,563 --> 00:14:53,399
I did have a stalker.
301
00:14:53,565 --> 00:14:57,403
He started off just sending me
hate mail. He's an atheist.
302
00:14:57,486 --> 00:15:00,531
So he was pretty much putting down
what I believe in
303
00:15:00,614 --> 00:15:02,783
and trying to get me to debate him.
304
00:15:02,866 --> 00:15:06,412
He became obsessed with me
305
00:15:06,495 --> 00:15:09,498
and developed this crush on me.
306
00:15:09,581 --> 00:15:11,583
And then I told him
we would never date,
307
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"I don't know you,
I don't know where you live,
308
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you're too young," blah, blah, blah.
309
00:15:16,004 --> 00:15:18,465
And he flipped out.
310
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The thing that pushed me to the edge
was that he said
311
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he wanted to bash my head
into the concrete
312
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till my brains spilled out
313
00:15:26,932 --> 00:15:29,393
and then kill my cat and stuff like that.
314
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A few fans had emailed me
the last year or so
315
00:15:33,272 --> 00:15:35,065
and said they were praying for me
316
00:15:35,149 --> 00:15:37,526
and that they were not looking
at porn anymore.
317
00:15:37,609 --> 00:15:40,821
And then I had this other guy saying,
"You need to put a warning
318
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on your website because kids can see this.
319
00:15:42,781 --> 00:15:45,075
My 14-year-old son found this."
320
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Just all kinds of people
were sending me these random emails,
321
00:15:50,038 --> 00:15:53,834
and of course
I was always kind of sympathetic
322
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to whatever they said,
323
00:15:57,171 --> 00:16:00,507
but I was still kind of hardened, too,
at the same time,
324
00:16:00,591 --> 00:16:02,384
because I was like,
"I can't do anything else.
325
00:16:02,468 --> 00:16:06,305
This is what I'm good at.
This is all that I know."
326
00:16:06,388 --> 00:16:09,600
And I kind of believed it at the time.
327
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I didn't have anybody
328
00:16:11,727 --> 00:16:14,938
saying, "You're better than that."
329
00:16:15,022 --> 00:16:16,106
So...
330
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Some adult stars do "find God" and leave,
331
00:16:20,110 --> 00:16:24,615
but those are people
who needed to be gone anyway
332
00:16:24,698 --> 00:16:26,533
and didn't have the
personal strength to do it.
333
00:16:26,658 --> 00:16:29,536
So they do look outside
for something to help them leave.
334
00:16:29,620 --> 00:16:31,330
There are plenty of people in the business
335
00:16:31,413 --> 00:16:34,249
who really shouldn't be here,
because they have conflict about...
336
00:16:34,333 --> 00:16:37,878
If I'd been raised
to be ashamed of my body
337
00:16:37,961 --> 00:16:41,757
and to feel bad about men
and their horrible desires,
338
00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,092
but did porn for other reasons,
339
00:16:44,176 --> 00:16:47,846
eventually, the wheels
are gonna come off the bus.
340
00:16:47,930 --> 00:16:50,682
I can only deny it so long.
People try to deny.
341
00:16:50,766 --> 00:16:53,101
They stuff their feelings
with drugs and alcohol
342
00:16:53,185 --> 00:16:54,561
or whatever it is.
343
00:16:54,645 --> 00:16:56,688
And after six months,
one year, five years,
344
00:16:56,772 --> 00:16:58,524
ten years, whatever, and finally go,
345
00:16:58,607 --> 00:17:00,359
"You know what? I can't do this anymore."
346
00:17:00,442 --> 00:17:02,236
Because religion,
especially western religion
347
00:17:02,319 --> 00:17:05,072
and especially Christianity,
says, "I love you,
348
00:17:05,155 --> 00:17:08,033
I forgive you, you can come home now.
349
00:17:08,116 --> 00:17:10,202
And I will not push you out."
350
00:17:10,285 --> 00:17:12,955
And so that is incredibly powerful
and incredibly potent,
351
00:17:13,038 --> 00:17:16,708
to have someone finally say,
"I don't shame you.
352
00:17:16,792 --> 00:17:19,336
I love you. You're welcome here."
353
00:17:19,419 --> 00:17:20,921
"Sign me up!"
354
00:17:21,463 --> 00:17:24,258
When you're involved in this industry,
you lose your humanity.
355
00:17:24,341 --> 00:17:26,176
You're no longer treated as a human being
356
00:17:26,260 --> 00:17:29,221
by 80% of people out there.
357
00:17:29,304 --> 00:17:30,973
You're now scum.
358
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They may want to do certain things
with you.
359
00:17:34,268 --> 00:17:36,186
But then you're still scum.
360
00:17:36,270 --> 00:17:39,898
And they may be thrilled
to have a roll in the sack with you,
361
00:17:39,982 --> 00:17:42,943
but when you leave,
they're gonna want to burn the sheets.
362
00:17:44,027 --> 00:17:45,862
I got into porn by accident
363
00:17:46,071 --> 00:17:48,156
It wasn't something I planned on doing.
364
00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,410
Probably might have been
the least likely thing
365
00:17:51,535 --> 00:17:53,328
I thought I would've done.
366
00:17:53,412 --> 00:17:56,456
I was singing in bands after
a baseball thing didn't work out.
367
00:17:57,833 --> 00:18:00,794
I knew I could sing,
so I started singing in rock bands.
368
00:18:00,877 --> 00:18:02,754
And of course,
like all struggling musicians,
369
00:18:02,838 --> 00:18:05,257
you got to make a little extra dough
on the side.
370
00:18:05,340 --> 00:18:08,802
Actually, my first naked job,
I was a nude art model
371
00:18:08,885 --> 00:18:11,555
for college art classes
and stuff like that.
372
00:18:11,638 --> 00:18:13,724
And I was really kind of shy
but not about my body,
373
00:18:13,807 --> 00:18:16,310
just about talking.
I was kind of shy about talking.
374
00:18:16,393 --> 00:18:18,478
"I can get naked in front of people."
So, I did that.
375
00:18:18,562 --> 00:18:20,188
And a couple girls in one of the classes
376
00:18:20,272 --> 00:18:23,233
asked if they can take pictures of me
and they did.
377
00:18:23,317 --> 00:18:24,526
They came out good, they said,
378
00:18:24,610 --> 00:18:26,153
"Can we send them to some magazines?"
379
00:18:26,236 --> 00:18:28,614
I said, "I don't care.
Do what you want." They sent 'em out.
380
00:18:28,697 --> 00:18:30,282
I got a letter from Playgirl.
381
00:18:30,365 --> 00:18:33,493
But High Society said
they'd like to do a boy-girl thing.
382
00:18:33,619 --> 00:18:36,872
I said, "All right." So,
that was the first thing I ever did.
383
00:18:36,955 --> 00:18:38,957
They had a woman editor.
At the end of the shoot,
384
00:18:39,041 --> 00:18:42,586
she goes, "I noticed you were
taking care of business pretty good.
385
00:18:42,669 --> 00:18:44,630
Did you ever think
about doing a porn movie?
386
00:18:44,713 --> 00:18:46,006
'Cause I got some connections."
387
00:18:46,089 --> 00:18:49,259
I go, "I never really thought
about it, no."
388
00:18:49,343 --> 00:18:51,928
She goes, "Well, I can get you 250 bucks."
389
00:18:52,012 --> 00:18:54,014
250 bucks, man!
390
00:18:54,097 --> 00:18:55,891
1978, that was some good cash.
391
00:18:55,974 --> 00:18:58,268
That's what I was making a week!
392
00:18:58,352 --> 00:19:00,604
So, I said, "All right. I'll try it."
393
00:19:00,687 --> 00:19:03,607
So, I did it, and guess I was good at it
394
00:19:03,690 --> 00:19:05,025
'cause they kept calling me back.
395
00:19:05,108 --> 00:19:07,736
And that's kind of how I got started.
396
00:19:07,819 --> 00:19:11,281
I used to say it's like borrowing
somebody's body to masturbate with.
397
00:19:11,365 --> 00:19:12,616
"Excuse me. If you're not busy,
398
00:19:12,699 --> 00:19:15,452
you mind if I jerk off in your pussy
with my dick?"
399
00:19:17,079 --> 00:19:19,164
It's kind of like that,
which is not bad,
400
00:19:19,247 --> 00:19:21,750
better than real jerking off.
401
00:19:21,833 --> 00:19:23,669
Right after I started
producing up-and-comers,
402
00:19:23,752 --> 00:19:25,754
I get this letter in the mail
and I open it up
403
00:19:25,837 --> 00:19:29,424
and I see this unbelievably good-looking,
404
00:19:29,508 --> 00:19:34,971
very young-looking blond girl
with beautiful natural boobs,
405
00:19:35,055 --> 00:19:36,723
little baby face,
406
00:19:36,807 --> 00:19:40,435
and she wants to know
if I can help her get in the porn biz.
407
00:19:40,519 --> 00:19:42,312
Girl's name was Jenna Jameson.
408
00:19:42,396 --> 00:19:43,855
I said, "Holy Christ!
409
00:19:43,939 --> 00:19:46,525
If I get this girl to shoot for me,
we're gonna sell some tapes.
410
00:19:46,608 --> 00:19:48,860
I said, "If you don't want to do guys,
I'll let you pick
411
00:19:48,944 --> 00:19:50,278
whatever girl you want."
412
00:19:50,362 --> 00:19:51,697
She liked girls.
413
00:19:52,614 --> 00:19:55,033
So she picked this girl
who I was working with that day,
414
00:19:55,117 --> 00:19:57,327
who was doing her first movie,
Kylie Ireland.
415
00:19:57,411 --> 00:19:59,705
So Kylie and Jenna
were doing their thing together
416
00:19:59,788 --> 00:20:02,624
and everything was going good.
417
00:20:03,625 --> 00:20:04,835
And they took a little break.
418
00:20:04,918 --> 00:20:07,587
While they were lying there,
I think I said something like,
419
00:20:08,672 --> 00:20:12,300
"Man, Jenna,
that's a tasty-looking pussy you got."
420
00:20:12,384 --> 00:20:15,262
And I believe she said,
"Why don't you come in and taste it?"
421
00:20:15,387 --> 00:20:17,139
I went...
422
00:20:17,222 --> 00:20:20,851
"Okay." I was doing the camera,
but I handed it to my assistant.
423
00:20:20,934 --> 00:20:24,187
"Bob, hold onto this. Start shooting."
424
00:20:24,271 --> 00:20:26,273
So, I get in there
and I start going down on her
425
00:20:26,356 --> 00:20:30,026
and she starts squealing
that little squeal that she had.
426
00:20:30,110 --> 00:20:32,446
I'm guessing she's kind of liking it,
427
00:20:32,529 --> 00:20:34,698
seemed like she was getting off
and everything's good.
428
00:20:34,781 --> 00:20:37,117
I said "Man, I am so fucking horny now.
429
00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,704
Would you mind maybe giving me
a double blow job or something?"
430
00:20:40,787 --> 00:20:44,624
And they said, "Sure. We'll do that."
I went, "Thank you."
431
00:20:44,708 --> 00:20:46,710
And they did and it went well
432
00:20:46,793 --> 00:20:50,213
and a week later
she kind of called me back
433
00:20:50,297 --> 00:20:51,548
and said, "You weren't so bad.
434
00:20:51,631 --> 00:20:55,010
I think I could do a boy-girl scene
with you."
435
00:20:55,093 --> 00:20:57,179
And the rest is kind of history
after that.
436
00:20:57,262 --> 00:20:59,389
It's a Daddy Thing, number three.
437
00:20:59,514 --> 00:21:02,100
Old Randy making a comeback! Yeah!
438
00:21:02,184 --> 00:21:04,186
Still there, baby. No Viagra yet.
439
00:21:06,646 --> 00:21:08,231
And, you know, it's cool.
440
00:21:08,315 --> 00:21:11,693
You do your thing, you go home,
you came, you relax,
441
00:21:11,777 --> 00:21:13,779
but I'm an affectionate kind of guy,
442
00:21:13,904 --> 00:21:15,572
and so I missed that part of it
443
00:21:15,655 --> 00:21:17,699
and that's why I still like
having a relationship
444
00:21:17,783 --> 00:21:19,910
when it happens, you know.
445
00:21:19,993 --> 00:21:22,996
And, for example, Tera Patrick, man.
446
00:21:23,079 --> 00:21:27,209
Not only was she incredible in bed,
but I just liked her,
447
00:21:27,292 --> 00:21:30,170
and that sense of humor
and that craziness,
448
00:21:30,253 --> 00:21:31,797
a little bit different.
449
00:21:33,006 --> 00:21:35,342
So, I hadn't dated anybody in so long.
450
00:21:35,467 --> 00:21:39,262
When I met her, though,
I forgot how to do it.
451
00:21:39,346 --> 00:21:41,056
And I did ask her out to dinner twice.
452
00:21:41,181 --> 00:21:43,558
We went out to dinner and had a good time.
453
00:21:43,642 --> 00:21:47,938
But I dropped her off at her place
without asking her if I could come in.
454
00:21:49,314 --> 00:21:52,442
And I don't know.
She might have thought it was weird.
455
00:21:52,526 --> 00:21:55,695
I already had sex with her
a couple of times on camera.
456
00:21:55,779 --> 00:21:56,947
She might've thought it weird
457
00:21:57,030 --> 00:21:59,199
that I didn't want to come up
and finish the date.
458
00:21:59,282 --> 00:22:02,410
But I was kind of showing her
that I wasn't just there for the sex.
459
00:22:03,537 --> 00:22:05,622
And maybe it wasn't a good move
460
00:22:05,705 --> 00:22:08,375
'cause you leave a beautiful woman
like that alone for too long,
461
00:22:08,458 --> 00:22:11,628
somebody else is gonna come along
and somebody else did come along.
462
00:22:11,711 --> 00:22:12,712
And that was that.
463
00:22:12,796 --> 00:22:14,840
She made it today. This is Tera Patrick.
464
00:22:14,923 --> 00:22:15,924
Hello.
465
00:22:16,007 --> 00:22:18,468
And Tera is new in the business
466
00:22:18,552 --> 00:22:20,971
and hasn't even worked that often.
467
00:22:21,054 --> 00:22:22,681
-Apparently.
-No.
468
00:22:25,100 --> 00:22:27,060
I'm just trying to pace myself right now.
469
00:22:27,143 --> 00:22:29,521
One of my all-time favorites.
470
00:22:35,110 --> 00:22:37,696
Most of the people who seek it out
don't have means
471
00:22:37,779 --> 00:22:42,242
of making that kind of money
by other means.
472
00:22:42,325 --> 00:22:44,536
Very few women say,
473
00:22:44,619 --> 00:22:46,329
"I'm going to become a surgeon
474
00:22:46,413 --> 00:22:49,624
or I'm going to become
a pornography star."
475
00:22:49,791 --> 00:22:52,460
This country does not raise people
with a very good work ethic.
476
00:22:52,544 --> 00:22:54,170
They don't know how to do anything else.
477
00:22:54,254 --> 00:22:59,467
They don't know how to do retail
or how to do Excel spreadsheets.
478
00:22:59,551 --> 00:23:02,262
Many people who make their way
to adult entertainment,
479
00:23:02,345 --> 00:23:05,473
like rock 'n' roll, are not suited
for 9:00 to 5:00 work.
480
00:23:07,267 --> 00:23:11,646
I ran away from home at 16
and was living on the streets at 17.
481
00:23:12,272 --> 00:23:14,566
Everything I owned
was in two garbage bags.
482
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,446
My parents were saying,
"I hope you just kill yourself
483
00:23:19,571 --> 00:23:22,240
and make life a lot easier
for the rest of us."
484
00:23:22,365 --> 00:23:25,160
It was just on and on and on.
So, there I was, out on the streets.
485
00:23:25,243 --> 00:23:28,997
And then when I got taken in
with a foster family,
486
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,917
I made sure that I kept
finishing school with good grades
487
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,544
because that was gonna be my future,
my ticket out of there
488
00:23:34,628 --> 00:23:37,380
and then when I went to college
on full academic scholarship,
489
00:23:37,464 --> 00:23:39,341
I never actually went to classes.
490
00:23:39,423 --> 00:23:42,426
I said, "I've got free room and board.
I need to make money.
491
00:23:42,510 --> 00:23:44,679
I need to get some security
and stability in my life
492
00:23:44,763 --> 00:23:49,476
so I don't have to turn tricks
to get food to eat.
493
00:23:49,559 --> 00:23:53,021
So I took up stripping.
I went to all the local strip bars.
494
00:23:53,146 --> 00:23:56,483
And from there, I started
doing magazines in New York City.
495
00:23:56,566 --> 00:23:59,611
I'd take a train to New York City
on weekends and do magazines.
496
00:23:59,694 --> 00:24:03,990
And then a photographer said
he knew a director in California
497
00:24:04,074 --> 00:24:07,160
named Bud Lee who could direct me
in some movies if I wanted to do that.
498
00:24:07,243 --> 00:24:10,622
So I packed up my suitcase
and a teddy bear,
499
00:24:10,705 --> 00:24:12,624
went out to LA,
500
00:24:12,749 --> 00:24:16,586
made a movie for Bud Lee, married him,
didn't come back.
501
00:24:16,670 --> 00:24:19,130
The reason that I wanted to do porn,
502
00:24:19,214 --> 00:24:23,802
even though I was so smart,
Miss Mensa and all that,
503
00:24:23,885 --> 00:24:28,765
is precisely because I wanted to stop
being known as the nerd, the geek,
504
00:24:28,848 --> 00:24:30,934
the one that you come over
and you be nice to me
505
00:24:31,017 --> 00:24:34,187
just so you can copy off of my tests.
506
00:24:34,270 --> 00:24:36,564
I'd hang out
with some of my misfit friends,
507
00:24:36,648 --> 00:24:40,026
and they had adult magazines
and they would look at them
508
00:24:40,110 --> 00:24:41,861
and I would be peeking
over their shoulder,
509
00:24:41,945 --> 00:24:44,364
going, "I wish someone
would look at me like that."
510
00:24:44,447 --> 00:24:46,116
And that was just my wildest fantasy
511
00:24:46,199 --> 00:24:49,411
that someone would think
that I was pretty and sexy.
512
00:24:51,287 --> 00:24:53,331
All my life,
I'd just been the nerd and the geek.
513
00:24:53,415 --> 00:24:54,916
So, it was a fantasy come true for me
514
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,501
that someone would want to see me
on the cover of a magazine.
515
00:24:57,585 --> 00:24:59,462
When I got to porn, it was like,
"I get to pick
516
00:24:59,546 --> 00:25:01,923
which of these good-looking guys
I want to sleep with?
517
00:25:02,048 --> 00:25:04,592
And you're gonna pay me for it,
put me on a box cover
518
00:25:04,676 --> 00:25:06,553
and give me tons of money?"
519
00:25:06,636 --> 00:25:10,015
It was just a really big step up
from where I was coming from.
520
00:25:11,141 --> 00:25:14,728
Porn wasn't all that much
of a mental challenge for me.
521
00:25:16,146 --> 00:25:18,356
Standing there and saying my silly lines
522
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,233
just didn't take up a whole lot of my day.
523
00:25:20,316 --> 00:25:22,569
Meanwhile, you got a lot of time
to sit around and wait.
524
00:25:22,652 --> 00:25:24,779
So I just kept myself busy
525
00:25:24,863 --> 00:25:27,824
by learning every single job on the set.
526
00:25:27,907 --> 00:25:31,661
I would get the grips to take me
onto the grip truck
527
00:25:31,745 --> 00:25:34,497
and name everything on there
and teach me how to do everything
528
00:25:34,581 --> 00:25:37,042
by showing up with
my little grip belt, shorts and gloves
529
00:25:37,125 --> 00:25:38,334
and no shirt on.
530
00:25:39,085 --> 00:25:42,422
I'd ask very nicely if they'd teach me
their job and they did.
531
00:25:42,505 --> 00:25:44,340
And much the same way,
532
00:25:44,424 --> 00:25:47,886
I learned editing, directing,
producing, script writing.
533
00:25:47,969 --> 00:25:49,721
Every job on the set, I've got.
534
00:25:49,846 --> 00:25:54,392
If you look on IMDb,
my name's got all credits next to it.
535
00:25:54,476 --> 00:25:56,895
I even designed my own box covers.
536
00:25:56,978 --> 00:25:59,939
What made me different
was I was the first half-Asian
537
00:26:00,023 --> 00:26:03,068
to become an A-list star in the business.
538
00:26:03,151 --> 00:26:06,362
Before I'd started, there was
the white, black and Asian girls
539
00:26:06,446 --> 00:26:09,824
and each had their own separate genre
and they didn't mix.
540
00:26:09,908 --> 00:26:13,161
You don't put an Asian girl
in a white girl movie.
541
00:26:13,244 --> 00:26:14,704
It's just the way it was.
542
00:26:14,788 --> 00:26:16,580
And when I came in
and I was only half-Asian,
543
00:26:16,664 --> 00:26:19,459
the features were soft enough that
they could still put me on a cover
544
00:26:19,542 --> 00:26:21,628
and I could still be a white girl
or an Asian girl.
545
00:26:21,711 --> 00:26:22,921
They could play me either way
546
00:26:23,004 --> 00:26:25,965
or they could play me as an Indian
or a gypsy or a Greek girl!
547
00:26:26,049 --> 00:26:27,717
They gave me all the different roles.
548
00:26:27,801 --> 00:26:30,929
So they wound up using my look
as very versatile.
549
00:26:31,012 --> 00:26:33,056
And so I became the first "crossover" star
550
00:26:33,139 --> 00:26:34,933
from a minority.
551
00:26:35,016 --> 00:26:37,519
I guess they did pretty well with me
'cause after I left Vivid,
552
00:26:37,601 --> 00:26:41,064
they got Kobe Tai, who was full Asian.
553
00:26:41,147 --> 00:26:42,315
So I kind of opened the door
554
00:26:42,398 --> 00:26:44,192
for the minorities to become A-listers.
555
00:26:44,317 --> 00:26:46,152
I hated doing live appearance.
556
00:26:46,236 --> 00:26:49,072
I'm getting sweaty
just looking at this picture.
557
00:26:49,155 --> 00:26:52,867
Yeah. I spent all year long
dreading the CES show.
558
00:26:52,951 --> 00:26:56,913
I'd just keep telling myself,
"They're more scared than you are."
559
00:26:56,996 --> 00:26:58,790
'Cause I'd smile and say,
"What's your name?"
560
00:26:58,873 --> 00:27:01,000
And they'd go...
561
00:27:01,084 --> 00:27:03,128
They'd just look at me.
562
00:27:03,211 --> 00:27:04,838
"Okay. What's your name?"
563
00:27:04,921 --> 00:27:08,216
If you see my very first interviews
from when I was 19, 20 years old,
564
00:27:08,299 --> 00:27:10,093
I said, "I'm gonna retire when I'm 30."
565
00:27:10,176 --> 00:27:12,428
People laughed and said,
"You've got it all planned out."
566
00:27:12,554 --> 00:27:14,764
There really wasn't any question about it.
567
00:27:14,848 --> 00:27:18,059
I had gotten married and then divorced.
568
00:27:19,310 --> 00:27:23,064
And I met someone
who had adult bookstores.
569
00:27:23,148 --> 00:27:25,525
So I basically got my introduction
570
00:27:25,608 --> 00:27:27,527
to the adult entertainment world
571
00:27:27,610 --> 00:27:29,904
through working in adult bookstores
572
00:27:29,988 --> 00:27:32,656
and then consequently owning
adult bookstores.
573
00:27:32,740 --> 00:27:36,828
And I saw the women
that were doing movies at the time
574
00:27:36,911 --> 00:27:39,831
and I was just amazed
575
00:27:39,914 --> 00:27:43,626
because they had pimples
on their rear ends,
576
00:27:43,710 --> 00:27:46,129
they had on no makeup,
their feet were dirty,
577
00:27:46,212 --> 00:27:48,923
their hair was dirty
and I thought, "My God.
578
00:27:49,007 --> 00:27:52,427
This is not a really good
representation of women.
579
00:27:52,552 --> 00:27:53,553
I want to do that."
580
00:27:53,636 --> 00:27:57,640
I had done a few magazines
581
00:27:57,724 --> 00:28:01,477
and a few eight millimeter loops.
582
00:28:01,561 --> 00:28:03,687
And then I came to California
583
00:28:03,771 --> 00:28:07,775
and I picked up one of the free papers
and there was an ad.
584
00:28:07,901 --> 00:28:11,154
My family was very okay with what I did
585
00:28:11,237 --> 00:28:14,073
because I did tell them
what I was about to do
586
00:28:14,199 --> 00:28:17,202
before I actually did anything.
587
00:28:17,285 --> 00:28:19,703
I'd done a couple of photo shoots
588
00:28:19,787 --> 00:28:22,207
and decided that
I needed to tell my family
589
00:28:22,290 --> 00:28:24,751
before it got out there
590
00:28:24,834 --> 00:28:28,004
because I didn't want them finding out
from someone else.
591
00:28:28,087 --> 00:28:31,424
And they're like, "Well, do you think
you can make money at it?
592
00:28:31,507 --> 00:28:34,010
You think you can have a good career
and be happy doing this?"
593
00:28:34,093 --> 00:28:38,389
I said, "Yes, I do,"
They said, "Good. Go do it."
594
00:28:38,473 --> 00:28:42,644
We had a very small community of people,
595
00:28:42,727 --> 00:28:46,022
of players that we all worked with.
596
00:28:46,147 --> 00:28:49,067
And we all worked with each other
quite a bit.
597
00:28:49,150 --> 00:28:52,654
So the community was small.
We were familiar with one another.
598
00:28:52,737 --> 00:28:56,908
And it's like
when you have a new boyfriend
599
00:28:56,991 --> 00:28:59,410
or a new girlfriend
or a new husband or wife.
600
00:28:59,494 --> 00:29:01,788
It takes a little while before you know
601
00:29:01,871 --> 00:29:04,082
what pushes their buttons,
what turns them on,
602
00:29:04,165 --> 00:29:05,750
what makes them feel good.
603
00:29:06,834 --> 00:29:11,381
And then it starts to become
very intimate.
604
00:29:11,464 --> 00:29:15,301
And you can actually have
an intimate relationship
605
00:29:15,385 --> 00:29:17,595
with the person
you're working with on screen
606
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,723
and be fond of them
after the movie is over.
607
00:29:21,933 --> 00:29:25,311
But they're just genuinely sweet,
nice people.
608
00:29:26,896 --> 00:29:29,774
I was being offered parts in movies
609
00:29:29,857 --> 00:29:32,819
or photo shoots or what have you
610
00:29:32,902 --> 00:29:36,990
and they didn't want to pay me
the amount of money I wanted.
611
00:29:37,073 --> 00:29:40,618
And I said no. I just held out.
612
00:29:40,702 --> 00:29:41,744
So...
613
00:29:42,537 --> 00:29:45,373
And subsequently, I started stripping,
614
00:29:45,456 --> 00:29:49,002
going basically
across the world, stripping,
615
00:29:49,085 --> 00:29:53,881
and doing photo shoots
with Club magazine, predominantly.
616
00:29:54,424 --> 00:29:57,969
And so people didn't see me
in front of the camera,
617
00:29:58,052 --> 00:30:00,179
so they thought, "Okay. She's retired."
618
00:30:01,180 --> 00:30:03,016
I've been retired
and come back so many times,
619
00:30:03,141 --> 00:30:04,976
I can't keep track anymore.
620
00:30:05,101 --> 00:30:07,103
I've also been dead a few times.
621
00:30:09,105 --> 00:30:12,692
I saw an ad in the paper.
It said, "Nude fun, big bucks."
622
00:30:12,775 --> 00:30:15,278
And it was an audition
for an X-rated movie.
623
00:30:15,361 --> 00:30:17,363
Two days later,
I get a call from the producer.
624
00:30:17,447 --> 00:30:19,615
They want to give me a part in the movie.
625
00:30:19,699 --> 00:30:21,492
I hadn't planned on that.
626
00:30:21,576 --> 00:30:26,414
At the time, I had applied
to the Hebrew Union seminary
627
00:30:26,497 --> 00:30:27,749
in Cincinnati
628
00:30:27,832 --> 00:30:30,960
where they train people to become rabbis.
629
00:30:31,044 --> 00:30:32,378
So I'm trying to measure,
630
00:30:33,254 --> 00:30:35,965
"Do I want to do this,
or do I want to be in a porn movie?"
631
00:30:36,049 --> 00:30:37,884
Because if I take the part
in the porn movie
632
00:30:37,967 --> 00:30:43,097
I may be cutting some of
my options off for future life.
633
00:30:43,264 --> 00:30:46,851
And the seminary in Cincinnati said,
634
00:30:46,934 --> 00:30:49,020
"We'll take you, but the first two years
635
00:30:49,103 --> 00:30:52,231
you have to go to Jerusalem
and study Aramaic,"
636
00:30:52,315 --> 00:30:56,194
which I would rather go to Cleveland
and study their sewer system.
637
00:30:57,653 --> 00:31:01,324
No interest there. So I decided
I would make the porn movie.
638
00:31:01,407 --> 00:31:04,827
And, in any case,
the kind of rabbi I would become
639
00:31:04,911 --> 00:31:07,622
would be the kind
that could've made a porn movie.
640
00:31:07,747 --> 00:31:09,999
And I went ahead and did the job.
641
00:31:10,083 --> 00:31:14,921
I think I had to become a sex star
just to come back to normal,
642
00:31:15,004 --> 00:31:17,924
'cause I'd been so humiliated
by being the fat kid.
643
00:31:18,007 --> 00:31:20,718
I had the largest breasts
in the seventh grade.
644
00:31:20,802 --> 00:31:24,597
The guys would make fun of me
and point at me and tease me!
645
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,974
You know how deep those scars go?
646
00:31:27,058 --> 00:31:28,476
That's ugly shit!
647
00:31:28,559 --> 00:31:31,187
Those are the people
that become centerfolds!
648
00:31:31,270 --> 00:31:32,897
'Cause they got something to prove.
649
00:31:32,980 --> 00:31:36,401
I was lucky enough to be in the era
650
00:31:36,484 --> 00:31:39,946
when they were trying to make movies
where you needed to remember lines.
651
00:31:40,071 --> 00:31:42,198
And I was good at that.
652
00:31:42,281 --> 00:31:45,493
So, I got hired for my acting ability,
653
00:31:45,576 --> 00:31:47,995
which being a good actor in porn
654
00:31:48,079 --> 00:31:50,790
is like being the wisest man
in the kingdom of the fools.
655
00:31:50,873 --> 00:31:52,792
He promised that I could fuck you next.
656
00:31:52,875 --> 00:31:53,876
He what?
657
00:31:58,297 --> 00:32:01,050
Let him alone! I said, let him alone!
658
00:32:04,303 --> 00:32:05,847
Get the fuck out of here!
659
00:32:07,557 --> 00:32:08,641
My ankle!
660
00:32:08,724 --> 00:32:11,310
I was terrible at the sex, just rotten.
661
00:32:11,394 --> 00:32:12,979
I was just so traumatized by it.
662
00:32:13,062 --> 00:32:17,316
But I eventually did learn
how to have sex on camera.
663
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,696
I was on the beach in San Diego
and I was by myself.
664
00:32:21,779 --> 00:32:23,865
And I'm sitting there and I notice
665
00:32:23,948 --> 00:32:26,951
there's a really beautiful woman
laying on a towel.
666
00:32:27,034 --> 00:32:29,537
And so my gaze drifts over to her.
667
00:32:29,620 --> 00:32:33,374
And her boyfriend looks at me
and I look away.
668
00:32:33,458 --> 00:32:35,710
Then I drift back
and I'm looking at her again
669
00:32:35,835 --> 00:32:37,753
and the boyfriend sees me
looking at her again.
670
00:32:37,837 --> 00:32:38,880
"Shit."
671
00:32:38,963 --> 00:32:40,715
Well, the guy gets up,
672
00:32:40,798 --> 00:32:43,301
and he starts walkin' over towards me,
673
00:32:43,384 --> 00:32:47,305
and I'm going, "Oh, no. Here we go.
This is gonna get ugly."
674
00:32:47,388 --> 00:32:50,141
And he gets close to me
I'm just clenching my fist,
675
00:32:50,224 --> 00:32:51,726
ready to defend myself.
676
00:32:51,809 --> 00:32:54,896
The guy's a monster.
I'm gonna get killed. I know it.
677
00:32:54,979 --> 00:32:58,733
And he leans in and he says,
"Were you in Insatiable?"
678
00:32:58,816 --> 00:33:00,693
And I went, "Yes! Yes!"
679
00:33:00,776 --> 00:33:04,322
I was so happy that he recognized me
from the movie business
680
00:33:04,405 --> 00:33:06,032
and he wasn't gonna kick my ass.
681
00:33:06,115 --> 00:33:07,783
It was a true delight.
682
00:33:07,867 --> 00:33:09,702
We became friends at that point.
683
00:33:09,785 --> 00:33:11,537
I hadn't told my parents I was doing this.
684
00:33:11,621 --> 00:33:14,874
I told them I was doing commercials
685
00:33:14,957 --> 00:33:17,960
and low-budget nothing, blah, blah, blah.
686
00:33:18,044 --> 00:33:21,589
I knew that they weren't gonna be...
687
00:33:21,672 --> 00:33:22,673
I didn't suspect
688
00:33:22,798 --> 00:33:25,426
they would be very approving
of this kind of stuff.
689
00:33:25,510 --> 00:33:27,887
I made the original call,
690
00:33:27,970 --> 00:33:30,556
prepared to become
the black sheep of the family.
691
00:33:30,681 --> 00:33:31,891
It didn't happen.
692
00:33:32,725 --> 00:33:34,894
I'm sure they were less than thrilled.
693
00:33:35,561 --> 00:33:38,147
When my mother would be at
the grocery store the next day
694
00:33:38,231 --> 00:33:42,193
and they say, "Good to see you.
How you doing? What's going on?"
695
00:33:42,276 --> 00:33:45,112
"Well! My son, the doctor,
is coming back from Israel,
696
00:33:45,196 --> 00:33:48,866
and my other son, he makes
shmackle movies in California!"
697
00:33:51,661 --> 00:33:53,829
Well, I think people may have
a negative reaction
698
00:33:53,913 --> 00:33:58,668
to someone who's a porn star
for a combination of reasons.
699
00:33:58,751 --> 00:34:02,547
One is, somebody who seems
to indiscriminately be willing
700
00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:06,884
to sleep with anyone,
whether it's on film or not,
701
00:34:06,968 --> 00:34:09,136
is, no matter what people say,
702
00:34:09,220 --> 00:34:12,098
still not somebody
who's particularly admired,
703
00:34:12,181 --> 00:34:16,936
and, again, may pose a threat
to many relationships.
704
00:34:17,103 --> 00:34:20,314
It is legal work, but it's fucking.
705
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:22,817
With pictures.
706
00:34:23,609 --> 00:34:25,653
People say, "You should go into politics."
707
00:34:25,736 --> 00:34:27,905
"There's too many pictures of me
with dicks in my ass."
708
00:34:27,989 --> 00:34:30,032
It's not going to happen.
709
00:34:30,116 --> 00:34:31,284
It happened by happenstance.
710
00:34:31,826 --> 00:34:33,578
I came up with some friends,
711
00:34:33,661 --> 00:34:37,164
and I went to a club called the Rainbow.
712
00:34:37,290 --> 00:34:43,004
And I met there Althea Flynt,
the wife of Larry Flynt,
713
00:34:43,087 --> 00:34:45,506
and a photographer that she had in tow.
714
00:34:45,590 --> 00:34:49,218
And they approached me
and invited me to their table
715
00:34:49,302 --> 00:34:52,805
and asked me if I wanted to go
to a club and have some drinks.
716
00:34:52,888 --> 00:34:53,973
And I did.
717
00:34:54,056 --> 00:34:56,809
And she was doing an interview for Sting,
718
00:34:56,892 --> 00:34:59,770
and we were up there,
looking to meet some rock stars.
719
00:34:59,854 --> 00:35:02,898
We were just girls, doing our thing.
720
00:35:02,982 --> 00:35:06,110
And she took us in her black limo
721
00:35:06,193 --> 00:35:09,030
that had this "think pink"
on the license plate
722
00:35:09,113 --> 00:35:11,198
and I think it was a naked lady
on the side of it.
723
00:35:11,282 --> 00:35:12,867
And I was so impressed by that.
724
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:15,620
She said, "What do you do?"
I said, "I'm a model."
725
00:35:15,703 --> 00:35:19,206
And she said, "Wow!
I own Hustler magazine,
726
00:35:19,290 --> 00:35:21,417
and we're gonna put you in Hustler."
727
00:35:21,500 --> 00:35:23,794
So, that was that.
728
00:35:23,878 --> 00:35:27,632
I went into Hustler
and started doing magazines.
729
00:35:27,715 --> 00:35:28,716
My brother found out
730
00:35:28,883 --> 00:35:31,844
and he had tried to talk me
into it many times
731
00:35:31,927 --> 00:35:34,388
because everybody always said,
"Buck, can you get your sister
732
00:35:34,472 --> 00:35:35,723
to do a movie? Oh, my God!"
733
00:35:35,806 --> 00:35:40,770
And we never worked together on set,
734
00:35:40,853 --> 00:35:44,106
but we always championed
each other's careers.
735
00:35:44,190 --> 00:35:48,277
And so my brother said to me,
"I want you to do a movie."
736
00:35:48,361 --> 00:35:49,779
And he set it up with Sin City.
737
00:35:49,862 --> 00:35:53,282
It was actually done for Sin City
and it was called Babewatch.
738
00:35:53,366 --> 00:35:55,076
It was for my brother's Babewatch series.
739
00:35:55,159 --> 00:35:57,536
He said, "If you're gonna do movies
for anybody,
740
00:35:57,620 --> 00:36:00,665
you have to do one for me, sis."
741
00:36:00,748 --> 00:36:02,208
So I said, "Okay. I will."
742
00:36:02,291 --> 00:36:05,044
And the sex was real.
743
00:36:05,127 --> 00:36:07,672
You'd say,
"How do you want the blow job?"
744
00:36:07,755 --> 00:36:10,007
And they'd say,
"How do you like the blow job?"
745
00:36:10,132 --> 00:36:13,260
And that would be it.
We would build off of that.
746
00:36:13,344 --> 00:36:16,347
I was the kind of person
who lived a life of excess
747
00:36:16,430 --> 00:36:19,600
and people would invite me to parties.
748
00:36:19,684 --> 00:36:24,730
And they would think,
"If I offer her some party tools,
749
00:36:24,814 --> 00:36:28,150
I'm gonna wind up getting laid all night
750
00:36:28,275 --> 00:36:29,735
by this beautiful porn star."
751
00:36:29,819 --> 00:36:33,906
Then as my addiction
went through another door,
752
00:36:33,989 --> 00:36:35,324
they'd hand me the bag of coke
753
00:36:35,408 --> 00:36:37,201
and I'd wind up in the bathroom all night.
754
00:36:37,284 --> 00:36:39,412
You wouldn't be able to drag me out
of the bathroom.
755
00:36:39,495 --> 00:36:42,164
And I'd be like, "Don't touch me!"
756
00:36:42,248 --> 00:36:47,002
And all of my life
started to kind of spiral.
757
00:36:47,086 --> 00:36:51,048
I wound up getting arrested
on the highway,
758
00:36:51,132 --> 00:36:56,011
and the police knew exactly who I was
when I got arrested
759
00:36:56,095 --> 00:36:59,598
and they wanted to make an example
of me with the court system.
760
00:36:59,682 --> 00:37:03,018
They knew that I was a big porn star.
761
00:37:03,102 --> 00:37:06,647
And the gig was up. And I had to face it.
762
00:37:06,731 --> 00:37:08,858
It was the greatest thing
that ever happened to me
763
00:37:08,941 --> 00:37:11,026
when I look back on it now
764
00:37:11,110 --> 00:37:14,196
because it really brought me into reality.
765
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,700
For the women,
they're much more damned by society
766
00:37:17,783 --> 00:37:20,745
because no matter how sanctified they are,
767
00:37:20,828 --> 00:37:22,455
they're still considered to be whores.
768
00:37:22,538 --> 00:37:24,123
And it's getting worse and worse
769
00:37:24,206 --> 00:37:28,169
because a lot of them have turned
to what I am vehemently opposed to,
770
00:37:28,252 --> 00:37:31,338
the escort services,
to further their career.
771
00:37:31,422 --> 00:37:35,509
In many ways,
it has a dehumanizing quality
772
00:37:36,677 --> 00:37:42,558
because what you're responding to
are a set of physical cues.
773
00:37:42,641 --> 00:37:44,769
You are responding to the body
774
00:37:44,852 --> 00:37:48,481
and you're responding
to the sexual acts per se
775
00:37:48,564 --> 00:37:51,192
in a way that is quite animalistic.
776
00:37:51,817 --> 00:37:57,948
And having a more full depiction
of the person
777
00:37:58,032 --> 00:38:02,828
may even detract
from the ability to use it
778
00:38:02,912 --> 00:38:06,749
purely as masturbatory
or other kind of sexual stimulation.
779
00:38:06,916 --> 00:38:11,504
You can take every other category,
every other idea, every other thought.
780
00:38:11,587 --> 00:38:14,924
Basically happiness and success
in life all boils down to
781
00:38:15,007 --> 00:38:17,343
what are the quality
of your bonds with other people?
782
00:38:17,426 --> 00:38:19,428
Having anything to do
with the adult industry
783
00:38:19,512 --> 00:38:21,013
hacks away those bonds.
784
00:38:21,096 --> 00:38:25,059
So you're isolated, alienated,
pushed away to the margins,
785
00:38:25,142 --> 00:38:26,977
and not treated as a human being.
786
00:38:27,061 --> 00:38:30,231
That's a recipe for disaster,
for me and for anyone else.
787
00:38:31,357 --> 00:38:34,193
When I was in college,
a couple of us worked at Hooters.
788
00:38:34,276 --> 00:38:36,862
So, I loved doing that.
789
00:38:36,946 --> 00:38:38,739
A lot of the girls at Hooters
were telling me
790
00:38:38,823 --> 00:38:40,491
how I'd make a lot of money stripping.
791
00:38:40,574 --> 00:38:42,409
I had a boyfriend in college...
792
00:38:42,701 --> 00:38:45,538
I went with him and his friends
to a strip club one night.
793
00:38:45,621 --> 00:38:47,414
They always used to go
watch amateur night.
794
00:38:47,498 --> 00:38:50,125
He's like, "I think you could beat
these girls at amateur night."
795
00:38:50,209 --> 00:38:53,420
So I entered and I won.
I got first place out of 12 girls
796
00:38:53,504 --> 00:38:54,922
in the amateur contest
797
00:38:55,005 --> 00:38:56,423
and I got $500.
798
00:38:56,507 --> 00:38:58,217
So, I was like,
"This is a really cool job.
799
00:38:58,300 --> 00:39:00,678
I get to drink and dance and make money.
800
00:39:00,761 --> 00:39:02,888
This is way better than anything else."
801
00:39:03,013 --> 00:39:06,767
When I was 21, I used to watch
a lot of the Cinemax movies.
802
00:39:06,892 --> 00:39:08,477
So I went to Blockbuster
803
00:39:08,561 --> 00:39:11,021
and I got the address off the box
of a Cinemax movie
804
00:39:11,105 --> 00:39:15,109
and I mailed some Polaroids of myself
and a few headshots I had taken,
805
00:39:15,192 --> 00:39:16,902
and just pictures and I mailed it.
806
00:39:16,986 --> 00:39:20,197
I wrote a letter about how I think
I'd really like to be in the movies.
807
00:39:20,281 --> 00:39:22,241
I heard nothing. Then three months later,
808
00:39:22,324 --> 00:39:23,576
I got a call from Playboy.
809
00:39:23,659 --> 00:39:26,662
I pretty much came into this industry
thinking, "Okay.
810
00:39:26,745 --> 00:39:30,791
I'm going to somehow be one of
the most well-known porn stars ever."
811
00:39:30,875 --> 00:39:34,253
I wouldn't wanna just be another girl
that was around for two years
812
00:39:34,336 --> 00:39:36,505
and then have to go be a hooker.
813
00:39:36,589 --> 00:39:40,092
After I did the Playboy thing,
I shot for Hustler.
814
00:39:40,175 --> 00:39:42,219
The next month, I came out to LA.
815
00:39:42,303 --> 00:39:44,972
Within three weeks
after shooting for Hustler,
816
00:39:45,055 --> 00:39:48,267
his wife and his daughter told me
how much they loved me
817
00:39:48,350 --> 00:39:51,061
and they ended up taking me
on the Larry Flynt freedom tour.
818
00:39:51,145 --> 00:39:53,606
They chose four girls
to go with Larry Flynt
819
00:39:53,689 --> 00:39:56,191
to different Hustler stores
and they chose me.
820
00:39:56,275 --> 00:39:59,236
And then my very first AVN show,
821
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,238
Hustler chose me to sign at their booth.
822
00:40:01,322 --> 00:40:03,407
They don't have contract girls.
They pick girls.
823
00:40:03,532 --> 00:40:05,326
A month later,
there was a Magic convention,
824
00:40:05,409 --> 00:40:06,660
which is a clothing convention
825
00:40:06,744 --> 00:40:08,412
and Hustler was launching their clothing.
826
00:40:08,537 --> 00:40:11,498
Hustler had chosen me
to model their clothing
827
00:40:11,582 --> 00:40:13,417
and they made pictures of me modeling it.
828
00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:15,377
So, I really didn't think
about life after porn
829
00:40:15,461 --> 00:40:18,964
because I just couldn't believe
how all these things kept happening.
830
00:40:19,048 --> 00:40:21,133
The things that happened to me
as a new girl in porn
831
00:40:21,216 --> 00:40:23,010
don't happen to most new girls.
832
00:40:23,093 --> 00:40:24,553
I met Larry Flynt
833
00:40:24,637 --> 00:40:27,097
pretty much my second month
in the business.
834
00:40:27,181 --> 00:40:28,682
So, I didn't think about life after.
835
00:40:28,766 --> 00:40:31,226
I just always said
I'm gonna get married and have kids.
836
00:40:31,310 --> 00:40:33,103
I used to say by 27.
837
00:40:33,187 --> 00:40:36,273
Now I say I want to get married
by 30 and have kids by 32.
838
00:40:36,357 --> 00:40:38,067
When I was married, I only did girl-girl.
839
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:41,111
I left my husband and did boy-girl.
840
00:40:41,195 --> 00:40:43,989
When I got back with my husband
I only did girl-girl again.
841
00:40:44,073 --> 00:40:46,325
We split up, I did boy-girl.
842
00:40:46,408 --> 00:40:48,911
Then I took a hiatus
for about six, seven months
843
00:40:48,994 --> 00:40:51,914
and didn't shoot anything
and that's when I met this guy,
844
00:40:51,997 --> 00:40:54,416
who ended up becoming my fiancรฉ
but we were dating,
845
00:40:54,500 --> 00:40:57,378
and I didn't do boy-girl
for the first six months.
846
00:40:57,461 --> 00:41:00,547
Then he said, "Don't you think
you should go get a new porn contract
847
00:41:00,631 --> 00:41:03,258
because that's extra income
we can have every month?"
848
00:41:03,342 --> 00:41:05,678
I was like, "You want me to have sex
with other guys?"
849
00:41:05,761 --> 00:41:08,138
He was like, "It's only six times
a year you're gonna do it
850
00:41:08,222 --> 00:41:09,807
and it's with a condom." I said, "Okay."
851
00:41:09,890 --> 00:41:11,976
Of course, two days before the movie,
he said,
852
00:41:12,059 --> 00:41:14,103
"I don't want you having sex
with other guys."
853
00:41:15,604 --> 00:41:18,107
-Let go of me!
-Your derriรจre may be pretty,
854
00:41:18,190 --> 00:41:21,694
but that don't mean it's bulwark
from a propitious lashing.
855
00:41:26,448 --> 00:41:29,034
Every two and a half months,
I'd have to shoot a boy-girl scene.
856
00:41:29,159 --> 00:41:32,246
Usually around two days before,
he'd start being really mean to me
857
00:41:32,329 --> 00:41:33,664
and calling me names
858
00:41:33,747 --> 00:41:35,666
even though he wanted me to do the movies.
859
00:41:35,749 --> 00:41:37,084
When I'd go to shoot the movie,
860
00:41:37,167 --> 00:41:39,253
he'd go with his friends
and get really drunk.
861
00:41:39,336 --> 00:41:41,880
Then he usually wouldn't kiss me
or anything for two days later
862
00:41:41,964 --> 00:41:43,674
and when my check would come in,
he's like,
863
00:41:43,757 --> 00:41:46,051
"That's mine since I let you have sex
with other people."
864
00:41:46,135 --> 00:41:49,722
And then when I would be asleep,
I'd hear him watching my movies.
865
00:41:49,805 --> 00:41:51,598
'Cause he would go
and put it in slow motion
866
00:41:51,682 --> 00:41:54,184
to make sure the guy wore a condom
and I wasn't lying about it.
867
00:41:54,893 --> 00:41:56,603
Let's see. The most I ever made in a month
868
00:41:56,687 --> 00:41:58,814
was probably
when I was running for governor
869
00:41:58,897 --> 00:42:00,983
because my website was making
around 20,000 a month
870
00:42:01,066 --> 00:42:04,111
and my online store selling T-shirts
and buttons
871
00:42:04,194 --> 00:42:05,863
made about 10,000 to 15,000 a month.
872
00:42:05,946 --> 00:42:08,365
I felt really bad 'cause
I didn't have time to mail 'em all.
873
00:42:08,449 --> 00:42:10,451
So I just ended up not mailing people
their orders.
874
00:42:10,534 --> 00:42:12,327
I feel really bad about that.
875
00:42:12,453 --> 00:42:14,455
And then my contract was 6,000 a month
876
00:42:14,538 --> 00:42:15,914
and I was feature dancing.
877
00:42:15,998 --> 00:42:18,167
At that time, feature dancing
used to pay a lot more.
878
00:42:18,250 --> 00:42:19,960
It was like 6,000 for three weeks.
879
00:42:20,044 --> 00:42:23,630
I don't know how much that is.
Maybe 50,000, 60,000 in a month.
880
00:42:23,714 --> 00:42:26,633
And then I won a game show
around that same time.
881
00:42:26,717 --> 00:42:30,179
On the game show "Who Wants to Be Governor
of California" I won another 21,000.
882
00:42:30,262 --> 00:42:31,680
That was great.
883
00:42:31,764 --> 00:42:35,142
I guess the most in a year
would probably be around $300,000.
884
00:42:35,225 --> 00:42:37,978
I didn't think I was set for life.
I always joked with everyone
885
00:42:38,062 --> 00:42:40,939
that I'm either going to just make
a lot of money
886
00:42:41,023 --> 00:42:44,526
or worst-case scenario,
I'll marry a rich person.
887
00:42:44,610 --> 00:42:45,944
That's what I always said.
888
00:42:48,989 --> 00:42:50,240
No one comes into this business
889
00:42:50,365 --> 00:42:52,785
to want to be normal
on the back end of it.
890
00:42:52,868 --> 00:42:54,411
Nobody thinks that it's gonna end.
891
00:42:54,495 --> 00:42:57,748
You jump on a merry-go-round,
you hope the ride never ends.
892
00:42:57,831 --> 00:43:00,000
I don't think many of them
can spell "future."
893
00:43:00,084 --> 00:43:02,211
I don't think they did this
as a short-term investment
894
00:43:02,294 --> 00:43:04,588
in their own future, but they burned out.
895
00:43:04,755 --> 00:43:07,341
Hookers are hookers. Hookers are people
896
00:43:07,424 --> 00:43:10,677
who are looking for a quick buck
with the least amount of effort,
897
00:43:10,803 --> 00:43:12,638
so they turn tricks.
898
00:43:12,721 --> 00:43:16,475
And being a porn star
899
00:43:16,558 --> 00:43:18,560
is just the world's oldest profession.
900
00:43:18,644 --> 00:43:19,561
So...
901
00:43:20,729 --> 00:43:22,856
It's not that complicated.
902
00:43:24,900 --> 00:43:28,695
Reality is hard. A lot of people
blame the industry for their problems
903
00:43:28,779 --> 00:43:30,697
but then they get out in the real world
904
00:43:30,781 --> 00:43:34,076
and find lots of problems
in the real world, too.
905
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:40,165
I grew up in Pennsylvania
in the steel-mill towns.
906
00:43:41,166 --> 00:43:43,252
Worked in the steel mills. I drove cabs.
907
00:43:43,335 --> 00:43:46,004
It was sort of typical things people do.
908
00:43:46,088 --> 00:43:49,508
There I did some illustrations
for magazines in New York
909
00:43:49,716 --> 00:43:53,262
and eventually started playing music.
910
00:43:53,345 --> 00:43:54,680
Did that for a while.
911
00:43:56,098 --> 00:43:57,349
Then I came out to California
912
00:43:57,432 --> 00:43:59,101
and ended up getting into dirty movies.
913
00:44:00,561 --> 00:44:04,064
Just met some people.
I was gonna do a photo spread,
914
00:44:04,148 --> 00:44:07,401
some photography of some girls
who were in the business.
915
00:44:07,484 --> 00:44:11,238
I had an idea I would do a photo shoot
of them and then a little interview.
916
00:44:11,321 --> 00:44:14,116
And some people I knew
from illustrating magazines
917
00:44:14,199 --> 00:44:16,243
in New York said,
"We'll see what you come up with.
918
00:44:16,326 --> 00:44:18,036
If it's good, we'll pay you."
919
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,330
So I met these two girls,
920
00:44:20,414 --> 00:44:23,750
and before I knew it, I was in the movies!
921
00:44:25,252 --> 00:44:27,421
So that's sort of how that started.
922
00:44:27,504 --> 00:44:31,175
But when I was working,
it wasn't like it is today.
923
00:44:31,258 --> 00:44:32,843
I'd maybe work 40 days a year
924
00:44:32,926 --> 00:44:35,971
and maybe 15 to 20 days were sex days.
925
00:44:36,054 --> 00:44:39,183
And today they work every day
of the week, maybe twice a day.
926
00:44:39,558 --> 00:44:43,312
Viagra, shooting up their cocks
and stuff like that.
927
00:44:44,229 --> 00:44:48,150
They're ruining their sex life
for the rest of their lives.
928
00:44:48,233 --> 00:44:50,402
I just think there's too much going on,
929
00:44:50,485 --> 00:44:53,447
just your personal appetite of it.
930
00:44:53,530 --> 00:44:56,408
If you're working as a performer
and you're working that much,
931
00:44:56,491 --> 00:44:59,411
sex loses its mystery in a sense.
932
00:44:59,494 --> 00:45:02,164
I remember being turned on
to a point sometimes,
933
00:45:02,247 --> 00:45:04,917
certain situations,
where I would actually shake.
934
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,127
I'm sure
everybody's been in that situation.
935
00:45:07,211 --> 00:45:09,504
I hate to see that go away.
936
00:45:09,588 --> 00:45:12,299
I remember one time my dad
picked me up from the airport.
937
00:45:13,467 --> 00:45:17,012
I was coming in for the holidays.
938
00:45:17,095 --> 00:45:18,931
My pictures were in Hustler magazine.
939
00:45:19,014 --> 00:45:22,226
They were about a movie.
940
00:45:22,309 --> 00:45:26,063
And I think I was giving some girl head.
941
00:45:27,397 --> 00:45:31,693
And my father says,
"I saw that picture in Hustler."
942
00:45:31,777 --> 00:45:34,071
I said, "Yeah.
943
00:45:34,821 --> 00:45:36,949
Wasn't so good of a picture."
944
00:45:37,699 --> 00:45:39,117
And that's all that was said.
945
00:45:39,701 --> 00:45:43,038
It was not something
I wanted to expose them to
946
00:45:43,121 --> 00:45:46,500
because it's embarrassing for them.
947
00:45:46,583 --> 00:45:49,378
We were so proud of what we did
in some of these movies we did
948
00:45:49,461 --> 00:45:52,297
that got really big play,
949
00:45:52,381 --> 00:45:54,049
that I actually took her to screenings.
950
00:45:54,174 --> 00:45:56,593
We had these screenings in these theaters.
951
00:45:56,718 --> 00:45:57,803
I'm taking my wife there,
952
00:45:57,886 --> 00:46:00,180
watching me have sex with these people.
953
00:46:00,264 --> 00:46:02,849
And she was...
954
00:46:04,268 --> 00:46:05,352
It was difficult for her,
955
00:46:05,435 --> 00:46:08,146
but she appreciated
the work we were doing.
956
00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:11,942
But after one or two times we did that,
957
00:46:12,025 --> 00:46:13,860
I said, "Hey, can we not do this no more?"
958
00:46:13,944 --> 00:46:16,196
She didn't want to see
any pictures of me or anything.
959
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,323
Although she understood what I was doing
960
00:46:18,407 --> 00:46:21,868
and knew it was the thing
that was not gonna be a situation.
961
00:46:22,995 --> 00:46:24,454
Can I ask you something?
962
00:46:24,538 --> 00:46:26,456
Those cops, they're hung pretty good, huh?
963
00:46:28,333 --> 00:46:30,460
Bet they ain't got what I got.
964
00:46:34,089 --> 00:46:35,757
Nobody's got what I got.
965
00:46:37,301 --> 00:46:39,553
So, yeah, I'd like to retire and paint.
966
00:46:40,887 --> 00:46:41,972
I had a game plan.
967
00:46:42,055 --> 00:46:44,224
I saved some money,
but I wasn't that good.
968
00:46:44,308 --> 00:46:45,350
No...
969
00:46:45,434 --> 00:46:47,060
I didn't make that much money, though.
970
00:46:47,144 --> 00:46:48,811
What did I make? I didn't work that much.
971
00:46:48,895 --> 00:46:51,690
You talking about saving money
when he was acting?
972
00:46:51,814 --> 00:46:53,275
He just didn't have any bills.
973
00:46:53,358 --> 00:46:55,360
I didn't have any bills. See? I told you.
974
00:46:56,653 --> 00:46:58,363
Then he got me!
975
00:46:58,447 --> 00:47:01,033
-Then she showed up!
-I'm high maintenance, baby.
976
00:47:01,116 --> 00:47:02,117
Then she showed up.
977
00:47:03,452 --> 00:47:07,372
Even if it's not
particularly glamorous that day,
978
00:47:07,456 --> 00:47:10,542
you go to work and you get fussed over
979
00:47:10,625 --> 00:47:14,129
and if it's a big enough production,
there's a makeup artist there,
980
00:47:14,212 --> 00:47:19,384
and there's attention
for people who like attention.
981
00:47:19,468 --> 00:47:22,929
And then they get paid the very same day!
982
00:47:24,181 --> 00:47:26,767
Now, my great friend,
Lee Carroll, once said,
983
00:47:26,849 --> 00:47:29,394
"As long as you got a cunt,
you'll never starve."
984
00:47:29,478 --> 00:47:34,524
But there's a danger to that
because it wears on your mind.
985
00:47:35,692 --> 00:47:37,903
My parents didn't take an interest
in my life
986
00:47:38,028 --> 00:47:40,364
and I was also sexually abused
at nine years old.
987
00:47:41,031 --> 00:47:44,993
I had a teenage boy and his sister,
who was my classmate,
988
00:47:45,077 --> 00:47:49,664
introduce me to sexuality
for the first time in my life,
989
00:47:49,748 --> 00:47:51,666
and it horrified me.
990
00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:53,710
As soon as I barely graduated high school,
991
00:47:53,794 --> 00:47:55,962
which I had to cheat my way through,
992
00:47:56,046 --> 00:47:58,965
my dad came to me and said,
"Listen, you're out of the house,"
993
00:47:59,049 --> 00:48:01,802
and literally kicked me out
on the street with no food, no money.
994
00:48:01,884 --> 00:48:06,056
And so I'm literally sitting out
on the curb on Sherman Way.
995
00:48:06,139 --> 00:48:09,226
That big, tough, rebellious teenager
was bawling her eyes out.
996
00:48:09,309 --> 00:48:13,146
And all of a sudden,
this beautiful black man
997
00:48:13,230 --> 00:48:17,275
came over to me
and says, "Are you all right?
998
00:48:17,359 --> 00:48:20,028
What's wrong?
Why are you crying, sweetheart?"
999
00:48:20,112 --> 00:48:23,949
"I have no money and no food
and my dad kicked me out."
1000
00:48:24,032 --> 00:48:26,868
He put his arm around me
and I still to this day
1001
00:48:26,952 --> 00:48:30,330
can tell you what that embrace felt like.
1002
00:48:30,497 --> 00:48:32,249
He just said, "Baby, I can help you."
1003
00:48:32,332 --> 00:48:34,835
And I thought,
"Jesus has come to rescue me."
1004
00:48:36,545 --> 00:48:39,756
I really thought he was gonna help me.
1005
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,259
He said, "There's a man
in the apartment complex
1006
00:48:42,342 --> 00:48:44,594
who would love to make love to you."
1007
00:48:44,678 --> 00:48:47,764
He lured me in.
I went, "You mean have sex?"
1008
00:48:47,848 --> 00:48:50,851
He goes, "Yes, but he's really gentle,
really nice,
1009
00:48:50,933 --> 00:48:53,186
and you'll get $35."
1010
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:55,772
So, here I am, a single mother.
1011
00:48:55,856 --> 00:48:59,317
I've done prostitution and stripping
now for six years,
1012
00:48:59,401 --> 00:49:04,656
I've been at gunpoint,
I've had stalkers try and kill me,
1013
00:49:04,739 --> 00:49:06,241
cops try and bust me.
1014
00:49:06,324 --> 00:49:10,203
I've been in the mafia,
basically, for six years.
1015
00:49:10,287 --> 00:49:13,956
So, someone came to me, says,
"Girl, why don't you do porn?"
1016
00:49:14,916 --> 00:49:16,918
I said, "Porn? What's that?"
1017
00:49:17,002 --> 00:49:19,171
It was a lot worse than prostitution.
1018
00:49:19,254 --> 00:49:21,590
There's a whole crew around.
1019
00:49:21,673 --> 00:49:24,134
They're all stroking themselves, going...
1020
00:49:24,217 --> 00:49:26,636
It was just totally degrading,
and I went, "Oh, my gosh.
1021
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:28,805
This is really bad.
1022
00:49:28,930 --> 00:49:31,683
And then all of a sudden,
I can't explain it,
1023
00:49:31,766 --> 00:49:36,563
but all the rage I ever felt
from what my parents did,
1024
00:49:36,646 --> 00:49:38,815
from childhood,
1025
00:49:38,899 --> 00:49:41,651
from all the things that men abused me
with in prostitution
1026
00:49:41,735 --> 00:49:45,322
I just let it out on the screen.
1027
00:49:45,405 --> 00:49:48,575
He just said, "Roll it."
1028
00:49:48,658 --> 00:49:51,244
Here I am, the newbie,
but I took over the entire scene.
1029
00:49:51,328 --> 00:49:53,330
It was weird. I just went...
1030
00:49:53,413 --> 00:49:55,957
"I'm Roxy, the porn star!"
1031
00:49:56,041 --> 00:49:58,293
I was pissed!
1032
00:49:58,460 --> 00:50:00,921
But at the end of the scene, it just ended
1033
00:50:01,003 --> 00:50:05,300
and I had bodily fluids on my face.
1034
00:50:05,383 --> 00:50:08,637
And they went, "Here's a rag,"
and just threw it at me.
1035
00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:10,305
And I just grabbed the rag and went...
1036
00:50:11,181 --> 00:50:12,933
And I didn't want them to see me cry
1037
00:50:13,015 --> 00:50:15,560
so I just turned my face and was like,
"Oh, my God. Oh, my God.
1038
00:50:15,644 --> 00:50:18,563
Don't cry. Shelley, don't cry."
1039
00:50:18,647 --> 00:50:21,525
Then now, all of a sudden,
I'm involved doing
1040
00:50:21,608 --> 00:50:25,654
anal gang bangs with
five or six different performers
1041
00:50:25,737 --> 00:50:27,197
and I'm thinking, "Oh, my God."
1042
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,741
Now I'm bringing big jugs of vodka!
1043
00:50:29,908 --> 00:50:32,911
Everyone's egging you on, saying,
"No, girl, we love you.
1044
00:50:32,994 --> 00:50:35,372
We're your family now. You're awesome."
1045
00:50:35,455 --> 00:50:37,666
And there is a family atmosphere
that they offer.
1046
00:50:37,749 --> 00:50:40,544
Porn star karaoke, everybody hangs out
at the same parties.
1047
00:50:42,170 --> 00:50:44,965
"Girl, I love you!"
Everyone's very affectionate.
1048
00:50:45,047 --> 00:50:48,552
And the reason why they're so affectionate
is because that's their family.
1049
00:50:48,635 --> 00:50:51,053
Especially in my day, we were outcasts.
1050
00:50:51,137 --> 00:50:54,266
In fact, I still have scars
from suicide attempts.
1051
00:50:54,349 --> 00:50:55,934
And I...
1052
00:50:56,017 --> 00:50:58,103
I said, "I don't care.
I don't wanna live anymore."
1053
00:50:58,186 --> 00:51:00,814
And I took 30 prescription pills.
1054
00:51:00,897 --> 00:51:05,067
And I didn't die
but I knew I wanted out. Bad.
1055
00:51:05,151 --> 00:51:07,112
And I remember crying to God,
1056
00:51:07,195 --> 00:51:09,406
drunk off my ass on Jack Daniel's,
1057
00:51:09,531 --> 00:51:12,576
thinking, "If you get me out of this,
I'll serve you with my whole life,
1058
00:51:12,659 --> 00:51:14,619
I swear to God, I'll do whatever you want!
1059
00:51:14,703 --> 00:51:15,704
Just get me out of this."
1060
00:51:16,788 --> 00:51:18,248
People who are well-adjusted
1061
00:51:18,331 --> 00:51:21,376
and have good life skills
and who are doing something
1062
00:51:21,459 --> 00:51:23,878
meaningful and constructive
with their lives,
1063
00:51:23,962 --> 00:51:25,880
they're not in the industry to begin with.
1064
00:51:25,964 --> 00:51:27,674
So, the people who are in the industry
1065
00:51:27,757 --> 00:51:31,803
are really broken, twisted souls
without a lot of great job skills.
1066
00:51:31,970 --> 00:51:34,973
And they're turbulent souls.
1067
00:51:35,056 --> 00:51:38,184
So, they're always gonna be
twisting and turning in the wind.
1068
00:51:39,019 --> 00:51:40,437
We'd spent a lot of time in church.
1069
00:51:40,604 --> 00:51:43,940
I actually convinced my mom
to send me to Christian school
1070
00:51:44,065 --> 00:51:45,525
when I was 14
1071
00:51:45,609 --> 00:51:49,154
and she found a way
to gather up the funds and I went
1072
00:51:49,237 --> 00:51:54,326
and I was very involved in my church,
without her.
1073
00:51:54,409 --> 00:51:58,288
It was me and my friends,
and that was how I grew up.
1074
00:51:58,371 --> 00:52:03,335
That all changed when I was 16.
1075
00:52:03,418 --> 00:52:05,127
I spent the night at a girlfriend's house,
1076
00:52:05,211 --> 00:52:08,923
and she was a teenage mom and married,
1077
00:52:09,007 --> 00:52:13,386
and her husband drugged me with acid.
1078
00:52:13,470 --> 00:52:17,057
And at that time, I hadn't even
stayed up past 10:00.
1079
00:52:17,139 --> 00:52:20,810
So I wasn't really well-versed
in the drug world.
1080
00:52:20,894 --> 00:52:23,521
And that changed everything for me.
1081
00:52:23,605 --> 00:52:25,899
I did the best I could
to graduate high school
1082
00:52:25,982 --> 00:52:29,736
as fast as I could and move out.
I was out of the house by 17.
1083
00:52:29,903 --> 00:52:32,781
I knew some people in the industry
and I hung out with them.
1084
00:52:32,864 --> 00:52:34,324
And I'm still friends with them now.
1085
00:52:34,449 --> 00:52:36,826
I don't blame them for hanging out
with me when I was young
1086
00:52:36,910 --> 00:52:39,120
'cause they were young, too, so...
1087
00:52:39,204 --> 00:52:40,789
Met a few porn stars
1088
00:52:40,872 --> 00:52:44,376
and just fell in love with them.
1089
00:52:44,501 --> 00:52:48,630
I hung out with them until I was over 18,
1090
00:52:48,713 --> 00:52:50,048
did my first movie.
1091
00:52:50,131 --> 00:52:52,926
And it was on from there.
1092
00:52:53,009 --> 00:52:56,388
Well, the first year
that I was in the adult industry
1093
00:52:56,471 --> 00:52:57,847
and was doing movies,
1094
00:52:57,931 --> 00:53:00,016
I worked for every company under the sun.
1095
00:53:00,100 --> 00:53:02,811
The dirtiest of the dirtiest
gonzo companies
1096
00:53:02,894 --> 00:53:05,187
that do crazy stuff.
1097
00:53:05,271 --> 00:53:09,859
I worked for anybody I could
to make a buck.
1098
00:53:09,943 --> 00:53:13,238
I told my mom and she flipped out.
1099
00:53:13,321 --> 00:53:15,824
She wasn't happy about it but eventually,
1100
00:53:15,907 --> 00:53:19,327
when I formed a career
and I signed with Vivid
1101
00:53:19,411 --> 00:53:21,203
and the pictures were prettier
1102
00:53:21,413 --> 00:53:24,874
and the footage was less disgusting,
1103
00:53:27,377 --> 00:53:30,004
she came to terms.
1104
00:53:30,088 --> 00:53:32,090
What's she gonna do? It is what it is.
1105
00:53:34,092 --> 00:53:36,344
Being a Vivid girl is...
1106
00:53:37,053 --> 00:53:40,724
It's what every adult industry actress
wants to be.
1107
00:53:40,807 --> 00:53:43,184
Vivid's the biggest, best,
1108
00:53:43,268 --> 00:53:46,020
and most well-known company in the world.
1109
00:53:46,104 --> 00:53:49,733
They have the most beautiful girls,
the best photographers.
1110
00:53:49,816 --> 00:53:51,568
They have the best press.
1111
00:53:51,651 --> 00:53:52,652
And...
1112
00:53:54,154 --> 00:53:57,323
Yeah, it's a high-class slew of girls,
I would think.
1113
00:53:57,407 --> 00:54:00,076
Of course, it's as high-class
as it's gonna get.
1114
00:54:02,620 --> 00:54:04,497
It's a steady income.
1115
00:54:04,581 --> 00:54:06,583
So, I don't know if I necessarily thought
1116
00:54:06,666 --> 00:54:08,293
I was better than anybody else,
1117
00:54:08,376 --> 00:54:11,546
but I knew I was getting
the press that I wanted.
1118
00:54:11,629 --> 00:54:14,966
So, I was happy.
1119
00:54:15,425 --> 00:54:17,719
I took my movies very seriously.
1120
00:54:17,802 --> 00:54:19,179
I studied my scripts.
1121
00:54:20,764 --> 00:54:23,141
Half the time I wasn't stoned
when I did the dialog,
1122
00:54:23,224 --> 00:54:26,561
but I took my acting very seriously
because it was the only time
1123
00:54:26,644 --> 00:54:28,270
I was ever gonna get to do any acting!
1124
00:54:29,022 --> 00:54:33,151
So, I took it seriously, and I loved it!
1125
00:54:33,234 --> 00:54:37,155
And I thought I was good at it
1126
00:54:37,238 --> 00:54:39,783
but it just sounds so clichรฉ for me to say
1127
00:54:39,866 --> 00:54:42,827
I took the acting
in my porno movie seriously.
1128
00:54:42,911 --> 00:54:44,037
But I did.
1129
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:47,624
And that was my favorite part,
was the acting.
1130
00:54:49,834 --> 00:54:51,211
And sometimes the sex.
1131
00:54:55,173 --> 00:54:59,928
You can use drugs and party and drink
no matter what career choice you have,
1132
00:55:00,011 --> 00:55:01,012
but...
1133
00:55:02,263 --> 00:55:06,267
Yes, you're opened up
to the party lifestyle a lot more.
1134
00:55:06,351 --> 00:55:07,977
You hang out with rock stars,
1135
00:55:08,061 --> 00:55:11,356
there's always porn parties to go to.
1136
00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:16,361
Me, struggling as an addict,
1137
00:55:17,904 --> 00:55:20,281
of course took advantage
of everything that was there,
1138
00:55:20,406 --> 00:55:23,576
all of the alcohol, all of the drugs,
1139
00:55:23,660 --> 00:55:24,744
I did 'em all!
1140
00:55:28,122 --> 00:55:31,709
It's not a safe business to be in
if you want to stay clean.
1141
00:55:33,586 --> 00:55:34,671
It's not safe.
1142
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,633
I'm not telling you this
to make you feel sorry for me
1143
00:55:38,842 --> 00:55:41,427
but I had an extremely tough childhood
1144
00:55:41,511 --> 00:55:45,056
and I think I got very lost
for many years.
1145
00:55:45,139 --> 00:55:48,142
I didn't know who I was, like many people.
1146
00:55:49,018 --> 00:55:53,064
I had a very warped understanding
of what love was.
1147
00:55:53,857 --> 00:55:58,319
And I think because of a lack of love
in my life
1148
00:55:58,403 --> 00:56:01,614
or an inability to determine
what love really is,
1149
00:56:01,698 --> 00:56:05,827
I saw sexual attention as love.
1150
00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:08,162
When you've suffered
a lot of sexual abuse in your life,
1151
00:56:08,246 --> 00:56:11,749
it's understandable, I think,
why you would feel that way.
1152
00:56:11,833 --> 00:56:15,920
Trying to tell you
at what point I made the decision
1153
00:56:16,004 --> 00:56:19,048
to be Tiffany Million is not something
I could answer, really,
1154
00:56:19,132 --> 00:56:21,092
in just one neat sentence.
1155
00:56:21,175 --> 00:56:24,012
It's kind of a combination of things.
1156
00:56:24,095 --> 00:56:26,431
Essentially, the whole reason
1157
00:56:26,514 --> 00:56:29,017
that I even got into that business
to begin with
1158
00:56:29,100 --> 00:56:32,437
was because I was a single mother,
like many people.
1159
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:37,025
And I was living in southern California,
1160
00:56:37,108 --> 00:56:40,320
I had no family,
I didn't know that many people,
1161
00:56:40,402 --> 00:56:41,988
her father wasn't helping me with her
1162
00:56:42,071 --> 00:56:44,782
and it was pretty scary
being a single parent, honestly.
1163
00:56:44,866 --> 00:56:47,827
And so, I figured I had a choice.
1164
00:56:47,911 --> 00:56:50,038
I could work eight hours a day
1165
00:56:50,121 --> 00:56:53,082
and commute an hour or two
each way on the freeway
1166
00:56:53,166 --> 00:56:55,460
to make $7, $8 an hour
1167
00:56:55,585 --> 00:56:59,505
only to pay out half of that
in taxes and childcare,
1168
00:56:59,589 --> 00:57:03,092
my daughter's with heaven knows who
during the day,
1169
00:57:03,217 --> 00:57:06,387
or I could reenter
the adult entertainment industry
1170
00:57:06,512 --> 00:57:08,556
'cause I'd been a stripper years before.
1171
00:57:08,681 --> 00:57:11,726
'Cause I'd always been kind of a fan
of adult films,
1172
00:57:11,809 --> 00:57:16,105
and so many times I had looked
at those movies and I'd thought,
1173
00:57:16,189 --> 00:57:19,567
"Man, you know what? I could do that
and I could do it better,"
1174
00:57:19,651 --> 00:57:21,444
I thought, "Why not?"
1175
00:57:21,527 --> 00:57:23,154
I didn't have a man in my life anymore,
1176
00:57:23,237 --> 00:57:26,366
I left her father.
And I definitely needed the money.
1177
00:57:26,449 --> 00:57:28,159
But, really, it just afforded me a way
1178
00:57:28,242 --> 00:57:31,955
to work as little as possible
to get as much money as I could
1179
00:57:32,038 --> 00:57:34,499
to be with my daughter
'cause that's all I really wanted.
1180
00:57:34,582 --> 00:57:37,251
I wanted my daughter to have a great life
1181
00:57:37,377 --> 00:57:40,213
and a safe home in a good neighborhood
with good childcare,
1182
00:57:40,296 --> 00:57:42,882
and I wanted to spend as much time
with her as I could.
1183
00:57:42,966 --> 00:57:45,009
And working in the adult film industry
allowed me
1184
00:57:45,093 --> 00:57:47,261
to work a day or two a week
1185
00:57:47,345 --> 00:57:49,138
and be with my daughter
the rest of the week
1186
00:57:49,222 --> 00:57:52,016
and make more money than people
that worked five days a week,
1187
00:57:52,141 --> 00:57:53,810
eight hours a day.
1188
00:57:53,893 --> 00:57:56,145
What you do in porn films is not sex.
1189
00:57:56,229 --> 00:57:59,148
I know you're being penetrated,
but it's like this.
1190
00:57:59,232 --> 00:58:00,692
That's what it feels like.
1191
00:58:00,817 --> 00:58:05,780
It's just something occupying a chasm
in your body, really.
1192
00:58:05,863 --> 00:58:07,532
It's like this.
1193
00:58:07,615 --> 00:58:09,784
It's like this.
That's what it might as well be.
1194
00:58:09,867 --> 00:58:13,287
There's no emotion there.
There's no feeling.
1195
00:58:13,371 --> 00:58:16,666
I got to tell you this funny little story.
1196
00:58:16,749 --> 00:58:19,544
I would have so many fans come up
to me at autograph signings
1197
00:58:19,627 --> 00:58:21,921
and tell me that
I was their favorite porn star
1198
00:58:22,005 --> 00:58:23,673
because all the other girls were faking it
1199
00:58:23,798 --> 00:58:27,635
and I was the one
that they knew was for real.
1200
00:58:27,719 --> 00:58:30,096
"And I can tell when a woman's faking it."
1201
00:58:30,179 --> 00:58:32,015
And I'd be laughing!
1202
00:58:32,098 --> 00:58:34,267
Watch my face. Watch my face.
1203
00:58:39,856 --> 00:58:41,482
'Cause I'd be like...
1204
00:58:41,566 --> 00:58:43,234
I'm the biggest damn faker you ever met!
1205
00:58:43,317 --> 00:58:45,903
Man, I'm good.
That's why I get paid the big bucks.
1206
00:58:45,987 --> 00:58:47,655
Even when I was in the business,
1207
00:58:47,739 --> 00:58:51,534
I didn't partake
of all of the extraneous activities.
1208
00:58:51,617 --> 00:58:53,161
I think I went to several parties
1209
00:58:53,244 --> 00:58:54,996
only because there was free food
and booze.
1210
00:58:55,079 --> 00:58:57,749
I would go and eat and stuff,
everybody'd go to the after-parties,
1211
00:58:57,832 --> 00:59:00,460
and I'd be like,
"I'm going home, going to bed."
1212
00:59:00,543 --> 00:59:02,545
I've always been early to bed,
early to rise.
1213
00:59:02,628 --> 00:59:04,630
I never wanted to be a part of that scene.
1214
00:59:04,714 --> 00:59:06,507
Even when I was working in the movies,
1215
00:59:06,591 --> 00:59:08,843
I always kind of felt
like a fly on the wall.
1216
00:59:08,968 --> 00:59:12,472
I know my body was involved
'cause obviously I was there,
1217
00:59:12,597 --> 00:59:15,516
but I always had this strange feeling,
this surreal feeling of disconnect,
1218
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:17,268
like I was up here looking down.
1219
00:59:17,351 --> 00:59:21,647
When my father died in '94,
he left me a whole bunch of money
1220
00:59:21,731 --> 00:59:24,317
and I suddenly realized that I'm free.
1221
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,236
"I don't have to be here anymore."
And I walked away and that was it.
1222
00:59:28,488 --> 00:59:30,698
No one puts a gun to anybody's head
to do this.
1223
00:59:30,823 --> 00:59:32,700
If you're not warned
about what's gonna happen,
1224
00:59:32,825 --> 00:59:36,287
the person who didn't warn you is
the one who's guilty,
1225
00:59:36,370 --> 00:59:39,290
but they're doing it for the one thing
that they cannot deny,
1226
00:59:39,373 --> 00:59:42,126
that absolute death wish
for the recognition,
1227
00:59:42,251 --> 00:59:44,003
validation and credibility.
1228
00:59:44,128 --> 00:59:45,379
And they're welcome to it,
1229
00:59:45,463 --> 00:59:48,174
but eventually their past
will catch up to them
1230
00:59:48,257 --> 00:59:52,428
and they have to be aware
of the fact that X is forever.
1231
00:59:53,721 --> 00:59:58,643
When I got into the business,
I did have a goal.
1232
00:59:58,726 --> 01:00:00,520
It was my "cracked out" goal.
1233
01:00:00,603 --> 01:00:04,774
But I did have a goal
to be out and retired,
1234
01:00:06,067 --> 01:00:08,361
26. At the latest, 27.
1235
01:00:11,239 --> 01:00:13,157
And I was out by 24.
1236
01:00:14,742 --> 01:00:19,580
I didn't leave the business
because I wanted to.
1237
01:00:19,664 --> 01:00:22,125
I left the business
'cause I felt I had to,
1238
01:00:22,250 --> 01:00:23,960
that it was the right thing to do.
1239
01:00:24,043 --> 01:00:28,297
On November 4th, 1984,
1240
01:00:28,381 --> 01:00:31,968
was the first headline
in the San Francisco Chronicle,
1241
01:00:32,051 --> 01:00:36,097
regarding the heterosexual
transmission of AIDS.
1242
01:00:36,180 --> 01:00:38,474
A good friend of mine
who was a mathematician
1243
01:00:38,599 --> 01:00:40,226
had read the same article I did
1244
01:00:40,309 --> 01:00:42,770
and he came over to my house
in the afternoon and said,
1245
01:00:42,895 --> 01:00:46,023
"I've done some calculations
based on the numbers
1246
01:00:46,107 --> 01:00:47,525
reported here in the story
1247
01:00:47,608 --> 01:00:50,444
and you're in the wrong place
at the wrong time.
1248
01:00:50,528 --> 01:00:52,196
I want you to stop."
1249
01:00:52,321 --> 01:00:54,407
I had three jobs lined up for December.
1250
01:00:54,532 --> 01:00:56,742
My wife said,
"I don't want you to do them."
1251
01:00:56,826 --> 01:00:59,036
I thought, "They're just trying
to sell newspapers.
1252
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:00,830
That's what newspapers do. They scare you.
1253
01:01:00,913 --> 01:01:03,916
And so I don't think
the danger is that real
1254
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,127
and I'm gonna go ahead and do these jobs."
1255
01:01:06,210 --> 01:01:08,296
So I went off and I did the three jobs.
1256
01:01:08,379 --> 01:01:12,216
When I came home and we're about to
go to bed that night,
1257
01:01:12,300 --> 01:01:14,343
she said to me, "Do you think we should?"
1258
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:18,431
"'Should'? Should, what? Have sex?"
1259
01:01:18,931 --> 01:01:21,309
"Yeah. Do you think we should have sex?"
1260
01:01:21,684 --> 01:01:23,686
And I said, "What are you talking about?"
1261
01:01:23,895 --> 01:01:25,646
And she said... I can quote you verbatim,
1262
01:01:25,730 --> 01:01:27,773
I remembered this all this time.
1263
01:01:27,982 --> 01:01:30,610
She said, "Don't you think
it would be prudent
1264
01:01:30,693 --> 01:01:33,487
if one of us remained alive
1265
01:01:33,571 --> 01:01:35,156
to raise the kids?"
1266
01:01:39,702 --> 01:01:41,245
That was the brick wall.
1267
01:01:41,871 --> 01:01:45,499
Somebody had offered me a DVD deal,
1268
01:01:45,583 --> 01:01:48,044
I knew CDs and laser discs didn't do good.
1269
01:01:48,169 --> 01:01:50,755
I thought,
"This DVD thing, whatever it is,
1270
01:01:50,838 --> 01:01:52,632
won't replace videos."
1271
01:01:52,715 --> 01:01:55,009
So I signed it without having
a lawyer look at it
1272
01:01:55,092 --> 01:01:59,722
and by the time DVDs
started taking over from videos,
1273
01:01:59,805 --> 01:02:01,349
I looked at the contract and found out
1274
01:02:01,432 --> 01:02:05,436
not only do they have my DVD rights,
they also had Internet rights,
1275
01:02:05,519 --> 01:02:07,688
and the company wasn't very good.
1276
01:02:08,940 --> 01:02:11,651
And once I realized
I wasn't gonna make much money,
1277
01:02:11,734 --> 01:02:15,071
I stayed with Evil Angel,
my distributor, as long as I could.
1278
01:02:15,154 --> 01:02:16,906
When they stopped doing videos,
that was it.
1279
01:02:16,989 --> 01:02:19,825
The ones that do well are out
because they want to be out,
1280
01:02:19,909 --> 01:02:21,744
not because they had to get out.
1281
01:02:21,827 --> 01:02:25,581
And they have made their peace
with what they did,
1282
01:02:25,706 --> 01:02:27,625
and that shows in their bearing
1283
01:02:27,708 --> 01:02:30,336
and the way that they are in the world.
1284
01:02:30,419 --> 01:02:33,673
The money that I did save up
went really quick.
1285
01:02:33,756 --> 01:02:38,010
And then I was just scraping by.
1286
01:02:38,094 --> 01:02:42,014
And it was the Christian community
1287
01:02:42,098 --> 01:02:45,017
that really came alongside me
and helped me out.
1288
01:02:45,101 --> 01:02:48,229
There'd be times when I didn't know
how I was gonna pay my rent
1289
01:02:48,312 --> 01:02:49,772
and somebody...
1290
01:02:49,939 --> 01:02:52,358
It was just people I don't even know,
1291
01:02:52,441 --> 01:02:55,653
just people who have read my story,
who wanted to help.
1292
01:02:55,820 --> 01:02:59,824
When I left the business,
I sold my house in Los Angeles.
1293
01:03:01,284 --> 01:03:03,452
First, I retired,
1294
01:03:03,536 --> 01:03:08,332
and then I decided,
"I need to get out of LA."
1295
01:03:08,416 --> 01:03:10,960
I needed to get out of LA.
1296
01:03:11,043 --> 01:03:15,798
Everywhere I went,
McDonald's drive-through,
1297
01:03:15,881 --> 01:03:19,719
nightclubs, the movie theater, the park,
1298
01:03:19,802 --> 01:03:21,387
Universal Studios.
1299
01:03:21,470 --> 01:03:25,099
I mean, you name it,
I could not go anywhere.
1300
01:03:25,182 --> 01:03:27,727
I don't know how these big celebrities
deal with it all.
1301
01:03:27,810 --> 01:03:30,479
They have to have bodyguards,
of course, and stuff like that
1302
01:03:30,563 --> 01:03:35,318
'cause I did not have bodyguards
and I could not handle it.
1303
01:03:35,484 --> 01:03:38,362
Is it possible to lead a normal life
after you get out of it?
1304
01:03:38,446 --> 01:03:39,655
This is forever.
1305
01:03:39,739 --> 01:03:41,907
This is the scarlet letter.
It never goes away.
1306
01:03:41,991 --> 01:03:46,120
You'll be dealing with
the implications of this forever.
1307
01:03:47,997 --> 01:03:50,916
What tends to happen
is that it isolates you.
1308
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:55,254
And so you develop a fear
1309
01:03:56,380 --> 01:03:58,341
of being rejected
again and again and again.
1310
01:03:58,466 --> 01:04:01,510
And so you put up walls
between you and other people,
1311
01:04:01,594 --> 01:04:04,513
and you isolate yourself
and you don't join communities.
1312
01:04:04,597 --> 01:04:08,476
And when you're isolated,
you're less likely to suffer rejection
1313
01:04:08,559 --> 01:04:10,978
but you're also isolated
and living on the edge.
1314
01:04:11,062 --> 01:04:15,149
So you can never get away from this.
There's no solution.
1315
01:04:15,858 --> 01:04:19,195
To go from being a movie star
1316
01:04:20,654 --> 01:04:23,240
to Zippy the Pinhead overnight,
1317
01:04:23,324 --> 01:04:25,785
was just devastating to my ego.
1318
01:04:27,370 --> 01:04:29,705
If you're looking for a long career
in the porn business,
1319
01:04:29,789 --> 01:04:32,375
you're probably looking
in the wrong place.
1320
01:04:32,458 --> 01:04:38,172
The average girl might be good
for two years.
1321
01:04:39,590 --> 01:04:42,385
Two to three years tops
for the average girl.
1322
01:04:42,468 --> 01:04:45,012
If you're lucky and you're one
of the few superstars,
1323
01:04:45,096 --> 01:04:48,724
not very many of those,
then you get six, seven years,
1324
01:04:48,808 --> 01:04:50,142
eight years.
1325
01:04:50,226 --> 01:04:51,936
And if you play your cards right
1326
01:04:52,019 --> 01:04:53,896
and do your financial thing right,
1327
01:04:53,979 --> 01:04:57,775
then you can make some money
and set yourself up.
1328
01:04:58,067 --> 01:04:59,985
Overall, I guess I'm happy I did it.
1329
01:05:00,069 --> 01:05:01,904
The only thing I don't like is that...
1330
01:05:01,987 --> 01:05:06,158
The main thing I really wanted to do
is act and be in comedies and TV
1331
01:05:06,242 --> 01:05:07,618
and I feel like it holds me back.
1332
01:05:07,743 --> 01:05:10,204
But I don't know if I'd have
just stuck with the normal route
1333
01:05:10,287 --> 01:05:12,456
if I would've ended up
making it to TV at all.
1334
01:05:12,540 --> 01:05:15,543
I'd probably still be in Florida,
going to castings,
1335
01:05:15,626 --> 01:05:17,795
I never maybe would have come out here.
1336
01:05:17,878 --> 01:05:21,048
I've gotten to do lots of Cinemax
movies which are really fun, too.
1337
01:05:21,132 --> 01:05:24,176
All those things I've gotten to do
because of, probably, the porn.
1338
01:05:24,260 --> 01:05:25,970
So, overall, I guess I'm happy I did it.
1339
01:05:26,137 --> 01:05:29,682
Part of the reason we're here in Utah
is because porn is illegal here.
1340
01:05:29,765 --> 01:05:32,977
So it really helps keep me
from being recognized.
1341
01:05:33,060 --> 01:05:34,770
That and the 40 extra pounds I gained!
1342
01:05:34,854 --> 01:05:38,232
But now that I'm losing that weight...
1343
01:05:38,315 --> 01:05:41,569
Well, I also cut off my hair
so that helps, too.
1344
01:05:41,652 --> 01:05:45,239
Everyone's been really cool
if they find out who I am.
1345
01:05:45,364 --> 01:05:46,699
They've been really good about it.
1346
01:05:46,782 --> 01:05:48,534
When I took Catty to her new daycare
1347
01:05:48,617 --> 01:05:51,287
and they asked if I had reference names
1348
01:05:51,412 --> 01:05:53,289
for who to call
if something happens to Catty,
1349
01:05:53,372 --> 01:05:55,458
I said, "I don't know
anybody here. Sorry."
1350
01:05:55,541 --> 01:05:57,168
She thought that was a little suspicious
1351
01:05:57,251 --> 01:05:59,378
and so she looked me up online.
1352
01:05:59,462 --> 01:06:02,798
I had given her the name "Asia Lemon."
1353
01:06:02,882 --> 01:06:05,134
From that name she managed
to figure out who I was.
1354
01:06:05,217 --> 01:06:08,179
So the next day, she goes,
"I did a little googling on you."
1355
01:06:08,262 --> 01:06:10,389
And I was like...
1356
01:06:11,599 --> 01:06:14,935
Miss Mormon mommy of four
who did a little googling on Asia.
1357
01:06:15,019 --> 01:06:16,979
I was like, "So,
you still gonna watch my kid?"
1358
01:06:18,230 --> 01:06:19,899
Unfortunately...
1359
01:06:21,233 --> 01:06:24,904
One of the reasons Vince Neil has me
playing his charity tournament
1360
01:06:24,987 --> 01:06:27,156
for his daughter,
for children's cancer and stuff,
1361
01:06:27,281 --> 01:06:29,492
and I played in the country...
1362
01:06:29,575 --> 01:06:32,536
Academy of Country Music Awards
charity tournament this year
1363
01:06:32,620 --> 01:06:36,499
and a few other charity tournaments
'cause it's one of the only ways
1364
01:06:36,582 --> 01:06:38,209
that porn people can give to charities.
1365
01:06:38,292 --> 01:06:41,754
Unfortunately, in this hypocritical world,
1366
01:06:41,837 --> 01:06:43,923
a lot of charities
don't want to accept money
1367
01:06:44,006 --> 01:06:46,008
from people that are in the sex business.
1368
01:06:46,133 --> 01:06:48,552
"The sex business. We can't do that."
1369
01:06:48,636 --> 01:06:52,306
Politicians, on the other hand,
who make us look clean as hell,
1370
01:06:52,389 --> 01:06:54,600
no problem taking their money.
1371
01:06:54,683 --> 01:06:58,187
Unscrupulous businessmen
ripping everybody off, no problem.
1372
01:06:58,270 --> 01:07:00,314
But because we have a little sex
once in a while,
1373
01:07:00,397 --> 01:07:03,317
"No, can't do you,"
and that pissed me off.
1374
01:07:03,484 --> 01:07:05,653
I had one interesting moment in baseball
1375
01:07:05,736 --> 01:07:07,071
with my son in Little League.
1376
01:07:07,154 --> 01:07:09,865
I had told nobody about my career.
1377
01:07:11,075 --> 01:07:13,202
One day, the manager,
who was this big black guy,
1378
01:07:13,285 --> 01:07:15,663
he was a Stanford graduate,
1379
01:07:15,746 --> 01:07:20,084
he comes up to me and he goes,
"Gonna be some trouble today."
1380
01:07:20,167 --> 01:07:21,460
And I said, "What do you mean?"
1381
01:07:21,544 --> 01:07:24,046
He says, "One of the mothers
knows who you are."
1382
01:07:25,464 --> 01:07:27,258
He looks at me and says,
"I knew who you were
1383
01:07:27,341 --> 01:07:28,759
the minute you came on the field.
1384
01:07:28,842 --> 01:07:31,011
I'll tell you the truth.
1385
01:07:31,095 --> 01:07:34,098
Anybody that's been in
Nina Hartley's booty is okay with me."
1386
01:07:36,392 --> 01:07:38,769
He said, "I will take care of this."
And he did.
1387
01:07:38,936 --> 01:07:40,729
Mensa's a high IQ society.
1388
01:07:40,813 --> 01:07:45,025
You have to have an IQ
in the top 2% to get in.
1389
01:07:45,109 --> 01:07:48,237
I got in with a notarized copy
of my SAT scores.
1390
01:07:48,404 --> 01:07:50,239
Mensa didn't want to link to my website,
1391
01:07:50,322 --> 01:07:52,324
even though they link
to all the members' websites
1392
01:07:52,408 --> 01:07:54,577
because of who I was, an adult star.
1393
01:07:55,202 --> 01:07:57,788
So that was their excuse,
1394
01:07:57,871 --> 01:08:00,583
and so I made them
a special little web page of Asia,
1395
01:08:00,666 --> 01:08:03,294
just happy Asia with college pictures
1396
01:08:03,377 --> 01:08:05,629
and smiling Asia and just innocent stuff
1397
01:08:05,713 --> 01:08:07,715
and it's two pages.
1398
01:08:07,798 --> 01:08:10,342
So, that's where Mensa links to now
instead of my regular site.
1399
01:08:10,551 --> 01:08:14,680
And they finally acknowledged me
in their Mensa celebrity issue,
1400
01:08:14,763 --> 01:08:16,890
which was a really big moment for me.
That was cool.
1401
01:08:17,808 --> 01:08:19,935
-Wait, how do you say it?
-Unprecedented.
1402
01:08:20,019 --> 01:08:21,729
Unprecedented? It sounds weird.
1403
01:08:21,812 --> 01:08:23,022
Okay.
1404
01:08:24,273 --> 01:08:25,608
I've done something unprecedented
1405
01:08:25,691 --> 01:08:28,569
that nobody else in the adult industry
has ever done.
1406
01:08:28,694 --> 01:08:32,531
And that was running for governor
of California, actually two times.
1407
01:08:32,615 --> 01:08:35,618
And it was amazing,
When I first started out,
1408
01:08:35,701 --> 01:08:37,536
the owner of my company and I thought
1409
01:08:37,620 --> 01:08:39,455
that it was gonna be
just a little fun joke,
1410
01:08:39,538 --> 01:08:42,082
see if I could get some press,
maybe get on avn.com.
1411
01:08:42,166 --> 01:08:45,336
So when I went down to the courthouse
to get my paperwork.
1412
01:08:45,419 --> 01:08:48,380
Howard Stern Show sent a camera crew down,
1413
01:08:48,505 --> 01:08:50,674
Channel 7, Channel 5,
all the news shows showed up.
1414
01:08:50,799 --> 01:08:52,551
Associated Press, Reuters.
1415
01:08:52,635 --> 01:08:55,012
That's when we are like,
"I got to get on that ballot
1416
01:08:55,095 --> 01:08:56,513
because this is gonna be huge."
1417
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:58,098
I'm going to get rid of the car tax
1418
01:08:58,182 --> 01:09:00,392
and put a tax on breast implants instead.
1419
01:09:00,517 --> 01:09:02,394
I will legalize gay marriage.
1420
01:09:02,478 --> 01:09:04,563
I will make sure
everyone who files for unemployment
1421
01:09:04,647 --> 01:09:05,856
gets jury duty.
1422
01:09:05,939 --> 01:09:09,443
In other words, California,
I'll be a kickass governor.
1423
01:09:09,526 --> 01:09:12,363
So vote for me, Mary Carey,
on October 7th.
1424
01:09:12,905 --> 01:09:16,617
Of course, some of my platforms
were very tongue in cheek and funny
1425
01:09:16,700 --> 01:09:18,827
but when I was getting towards
the end of it,
1426
01:09:18,911 --> 01:09:21,080
I realized that I really wanted
to make a difference
1427
01:09:21,163 --> 01:09:23,582
and I felt like
I really was making a difference
1428
01:09:23,666 --> 01:09:25,501
because I was getting a lot of people
1429
01:09:25,584 --> 01:09:28,962
who normally wouldn't follow politics
to follow because of me.
1430
01:09:29,046 --> 01:09:32,174
And then I was like, "What if I win?"
1431
01:09:32,257 --> 01:09:36,178
But coming in tenth place
is pretty amazing out of 132 people.
1432
01:09:36,345 --> 01:09:38,055
When I was 18 years old,
1433
01:09:38,138 --> 01:09:40,557
I went to real estate school.
1434
01:09:40,641 --> 01:09:42,893
Just everything about real estate,
I just really liked.
1435
01:09:42,976 --> 01:09:46,522
So I figured that I would always do
something with that.
1436
01:09:46,605 --> 01:09:49,024
I was working for a builder,
1437
01:09:49,108 --> 01:09:51,777
a home builder here,
1438
01:09:51,860 --> 01:09:56,448
and Corporate came to my community
1439
01:09:56,532 --> 01:09:59,785
and shut the doors and said,
"We need to talk to you.
1440
01:09:59,868 --> 01:10:03,247
Someone recognized you.
We know who you are
1441
01:10:03,330 --> 01:10:05,916
and you are too recognizable
1442
01:10:05,999 --> 01:10:09,586
and we're too conservative of a company,
1443
01:10:09,670 --> 01:10:12,381
and we're gonna have to let you go."
1444
01:10:12,464 --> 01:10:17,136
That was a week
before I got diagnosed with cancer.
1445
01:10:17,219 --> 01:10:19,138
The ones that got out of this business
1446
01:10:19,304 --> 01:10:23,767
and now are being blighted by
the society that jacked off to them,
1447
01:10:23,892 --> 01:10:26,353
the society are the ones
that's guilty for that.
1448
01:10:26,437 --> 01:10:28,814
They're damning them for something
that gave them pleasure,
1449
01:10:28,897 --> 01:10:31,400
but they refuse to admit
that they got the pleasure from them.
1450
01:10:31,483 --> 01:10:33,652
That's a very, very sad state of affairs.
1451
01:10:33,736 --> 01:10:35,904
I was starting to direct,
1452
01:10:35,988 --> 01:10:40,451
and I was hired a couple months later
1453
01:10:40,534 --> 01:10:43,162
to go to Germany to work.
1454
01:10:43,245 --> 01:10:45,038
I'd make about eight grand or something,
1455
01:10:45,122 --> 01:10:47,082
work eight days or something.
1456
01:10:47,166 --> 01:10:50,544
And I didn't want to do this anymore
at this time. I didn't wanna do it.
1457
01:10:50,627 --> 01:10:54,423
So I left, said goodbye to her,
stood in line two hours,
1458
01:10:54,548 --> 01:10:58,594
and as I'm going, I'm saying,
"I don't want to go."
1459
01:10:58,719 --> 01:11:03,724
And it built up and built up until
I finally got to the point of where,
1460
01:11:03,807 --> 01:11:07,060
"May I help you?" they said,
the ticket counter.
1461
01:11:07,144 --> 01:11:10,189
I said, "No, I'm not going."
1462
01:11:10,272 --> 01:11:12,733
I took my bags, I call up Kathleen,
1463
01:11:12,858 --> 01:11:16,487
and I said, "Baby, I'm coming home.
I don't want to go to Europe."
1464
01:11:16,612 --> 01:11:18,906
I'm thinking about the trip
and I don't want to do this.
1465
01:11:19,031 --> 01:11:20,157
I want to stay home with her.
1466
01:11:20,282 --> 01:11:22,701
So, that was pretty much
the last thing I did.
1467
01:11:22,868 --> 01:11:26,705
And, really what got me out of it
was my husband
1468
01:11:26,789 --> 01:11:29,500
because, when I met Ron,
1469
01:11:29,583 --> 01:11:32,044
he had no idea who I used to be.
1470
01:11:32,127 --> 01:11:34,880
Ron loved me for me.
1471
01:11:34,963 --> 01:11:37,090
And he could have had
a much younger woman,
1472
01:11:37,174 --> 01:11:39,009
could've had a much better-looking woman,
1473
01:11:39,092 --> 01:11:40,886
could've had a woman
with a lot more money,
1474
01:11:40,969 --> 01:11:42,137
but he fell in love with me.
1475
01:11:42,221 --> 01:11:44,264
He didn't know anything
about that part of me.
1476
01:11:44,348 --> 01:11:46,850
And the fact that he accepted me
for who I was
1477
01:11:46,934 --> 01:11:49,019
and loved me for who I was,
1478
01:11:51,647 --> 01:11:53,106
taught me how to love me.
1479
01:11:53,941 --> 01:11:58,153
Really. And his love for me
has reconnected me
1480
01:11:58,237 --> 01:12:01,698
with the person that I was
before I ever did any of this crap.
1481
01:12:03,158 --> 01:12:06,161
All of a sudden,
Mr. Right came into my life,
1482
01:12:06,245 --> 01:12:09,623
and I hated him when I first met him.
1483
01:12:09,706 --> 01:12:11,750
His whole life
he was raised in Christian school.
1484
01:12:11,834 --> 01:12:14,086
He went to the same school, the same kids,
1485
01:12:14,169 --> 01:12:16,296
from kindergarten to twelfth grade.
1486
01:12:16,380 --> 01:12:19,091
He was Most Valuable Player,
he did sports,
1487
01:12:19,174 --> 01:12:20,592
his mom had all these trophies.
1488
01:12:20,676 --> 01:12:23,846
She has a book this thick
just on newspaper clippings on him.
1489
01:12:23,929 --> 01:12:26,306
So I was jealous already.
I hated his guts.
1490
01:12:26,390 --> 01:12:27,975
He would knock on my door
1491
01:12:28,058 --> 01:12:29,810
and I'd answer and go, "What do you want?"
1492
01:12:29,893 --> 01:12:32,187
He goes, "I'm here to clean your house."
1493
01:12:32,271 --> 01:12:35,858
I'd be like, "What are you doing?"
He goes, "You're filthy."
1494
01:12:35,941 --> 01:12:37,860
'Cause I didn't cook and I didn't clean
1495
01:12:37,943 --> 01:12:40,487
and I was falling apart.
1496
01:12:40,571 --> 01:12:43,615
So he literally cleaned my whole house
with rags, for me,
1497
01:12:43,740 --> 01:12:46,326
and I just stopped working.
1498
01:12:46,410 --> 01:12:48,287
Didn't want to prostitute
and lie anymore,
1499
01:12:48,370 --> 01:12:50,414
and we just hit it off
and the next thing you know,
1500
01:12:50,497 --> 01:12:52,457
we're snorting meth
and next thing you know,
1501
01:12:52,541 --> 01:12:54,585
we're reading the Bible together.
1502
01:12:54,668 --> 01:12:58,422
We're like, "Dude!
Did you see how God used Joshua
1503
01:12:58,547 --> 01:13:00,632
to conquer all those cities, dude?"
1504
01:13:00,716 --> 01:13:03,051
And he'd be like, "Yeah..."
1505
01:13:03,176 --> 01:13:05,637
We were just so into the Bible!
1506
01:13:05,721 --> 01:13:08,432
And we realized that he had went
to Christian school
1507
01:13:08,515 --> 01:13:10,726
his whole life and was a pastor's son,
1508
01:13:10,851 --> 01:13:13,812
so he had
a really great Christian foundation,
1509
01:13:13,896 --> 01:13:18,609
and I didn't as much as him
but he was so sweet.
1510
01:13:18,692 --> 01:13:21,278
He never once pursued me sexually.
1511
01:13:21,361 --> 01:13:26,283
So we ended up getting married
on Valentine's Day, 1995.
1512
01:13:26,450 --> 01:13:30,704
I met my husband in a pool
in Hollywood, Florida,
1513
01:13:30,787 --> 01:13:33,081
at the Diplomat Hotel.
1514
01:13:33,165 --> 01:13:35,292
And he was married at the time,
1515
01:13:35,375 --> 01:13:37,711
and I had a boyfriend at the time.
1516
01:13:37,794 --> 01:13:40,088
And he was in the middle of splitting up,
1517
01:13:40,172 --> 01:13:42,799
and I was kind of done with that
1518
01:13:42,883 --> 01:13:44,885
little tryst,
1519
01:13:44,968 --> 01:13:49,598
and I told him I was in the middle
of putting a web page together,
1520
01:13:49,681 --> 01:13:51,558
and he said, "Okay,"
1521
01:13:51,642 --> 01:13:55,354
and it had to be maybe three months
after I got my first website up
1522
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:57,689
that I got an email from him.
1523
01:13:57,773 --> 01:13:59,149
We went out once. That was it.
1524
01:13:59,232 --> 01:14:01,068
We haven't been apart since.
1525
01:14:01,151 --> 01:14:04,655
My husband died in a car accident
driving home from Las Vegas.
1526
01:14:04,738 --> 01:14:08,075
I had asked him not to do
this whole gig, actually.
1527
01:14:08,158 --> 01:14:09,326
I was eight months pregnant,
1528
01:14:09,409 --> 01:14:11,787
I didn't want him away from me that long,
1529
01:14:11,870 --> 01:14:14,581
and he's like, "I got to do it."
He cut it down to two days,
1530
01:14:14,665 --> 01:14:16,792
so he was really happy
coming home on the second day
1531
01:14:16,875 --> 01:14:19,002
that he was all done with this
and he came racing home
1532
01:14:19,086 --> 01:14:21,505
to be with his pregnant wife
and he flipped the jeep
1533
01:14:21,588 --> 01:14:23,590
and didn't ever make it home.
1534
01:14:23,674 --> 01:14:25,550
Suddenly, he's gone, and now here I am,
1535
01:14:25,634 --> 01:14:27,844
got no more income coming in
and all these bills to pay
1536
01:14:27,928 --> 01:14:30,097
and it was just one thing
on top of another.
1537
01:14:30,180 --> 01:14:34,851
So I put up a plea on my website
asking for donations.
1538
01:14:34,935 --> 01:14:36,478
I didn't know what else to do.
1539
01:14:36,603 --> 01:14:38,939
No insurance, no money, bills.
1540
01:14:39,064 --> 01:14:42,901
My fans donated enormous amounts of money.
1541
01:14:42,985 --> 01:14:46,488
The kids were completely spoiled.
They got toys and books and presents
1542
01:14:46,613 --> 01:14:49,366
and stuff with pictures on it.
It was unbelievable.
1543
01:14:49,449 --> 01:14:51,618
It made me cry all the time when
I'd open all the mail
1544
01:14:51,702 --> 01:14:53,161
from all these people I'd never met
1545
01:14:53,245 --> 01:14:56,248
and it was just really wonderful
how the fans turned out to help me
1546
01:14:56,331 --> 01:14:58,917
because I'd been online for ten years.
They'd watched me grow up,
1547
01:14:59,001 --> 01:15:00,502
I'd never asked for anything before.
1548
01:15:00,585 --> 01:15:02,379
I needed help, and they helped me.
1549
01:15:02,546 --> 01:15:06,049
I faced those up and downs
in life many, many times,
1550
01:15:06,133 --> 01:15:08,301
certainly with my real estate practice
1551
01:15:08,385 --> 01:15:11,138
and when the market dropped
in real estate,
1552
01:15:11,221 --> 01:15:15,475
and now that the market is dropping
all the way across the board,
1553
01:15:15,559 --> 01:15:18,645
the country is in crisis.
Our whole country is in crisis.
1554
01:15:18,729 --> 01:15:22,441
It would be really easy for me right now
1555
01:15:22,524 --> 01:15:27,487
to want to re-investigate porn.
1556
01:15:27,654 --> 01:15:29,239
I definitely want to have kids.
1557
01:15:29,322 --> 01:15:31,366
I was actually very depressed recently
1558
01:15:31,450 --> 01:15:34,036
because I'm realizing
that I'm 28 years old
1559
01:15:34,119 --> 01:15:36,038
and I'm not married and I have no kids.
1560
01:15:36,121 --> 01:15:37,998
And I really want kids.
1561
01:15:38,081 --> 01:15:40,042
And I'd like to have at least two,
maybe three
1562
01:15:40,125 --> 01:15:42,711
because being an only child,
I always wished I had a sibling.
1563
01:15:42,794 --> 01:15:44,755
I still wish I had a brother or sister.
1564
01:15:44,838 --> 01:15:47,549
That's something I've always wanted.
1565
01:15:48,759 --> 01:15:51,553
I have a gorgeous family.
1566
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:54,181
My son is amazing. He's my angel.
1567
01:15:57,059 --> 01:15:59,227
My daughter is the best thing
that ever happened to me.
1568
01:15:59,352 --> 01:16:00,353
She saved my life.
1569
01:16:00,437 --> 01:16:02,647
I want my daughter to have
a completely different life.
1570
01:16:02,731 --> 01:16:06,068
I want her to go to college,
is number one.
1571
01:16:06,151 --> 01:16:08,779
She's a great student. She's a track star.
1572
01:16:08,862 --> 01:16:12,199
She's had to deal with my porn life.
1573
01:16:12,282 --> 01:16:14,910
She hates it.
1574
01:16:14,993 --> 01:16:16,870
She's embarrassed of it.
1575
01:16:16,953 --> 01:16:21,583
She doesn't want me to go
to her track meets
1576
01:16:21,666 --> 01:16:24,211
because she feels
someone would recognize me.
1577
01:16:24,294 --> 01:16:25,837
We're going to church now.
1578
01:16:25,921 --> 01:16:30,175
I go to church and I have a strong faith
1579
01:16:30,258 --> 01:16:33,178
and I have changed my life.
1580
01:16:33,303 --> 01:16:36,681
And I want for her everything that...
1581
01:16:36,765 --> 01:16:39,851
I don't want her to ever have to
experience what I experienced.
1582
01:16:40,727 --> 01:16:42,020
In the moment? Thank you.
1583
01:16:43,313 --> 01:16:45,273
For being who you are.
1584
01:16:45,357 --> 01:16:47,025
'Cause you're a pretty cool dude.
1585
01:16:48,235 --> 01:16:49,569
-Can I get that in writing?
-Sure!
1586
01:16:49,653 --> 01:16:51,571
I'll give it to you in writing.
1587
01:16:52,030 --> 01:16:53,115
You're welcome.
1588
01:16:54,908 --> 01:16:56,993
It's interesting.
What I'm sitting here, thinking is,
1589
01:16:57,077 --> 01:16:58,787
"I wonder how many other people out there
1590
01:16:58,870 --> 01:17:01,206
can have this kind of conversation
with their parents?"
1591
01:17:01,289 --> 01:17:04,000
Most people can't think
about their parents having sex
1592
01:17:04,084 --> 01:17:07,838
or especially fucking somebody
other than their mother.
1593
01:17:07,921 --> 01:17:09,965
That alone would irritate
a lot of children,
1594
01:17:10,090 --> 01:17:12,509
but it's very normalized
1595
01:17:12,592 --> 01:17:15,095
in that sex is a goody
that should be enjoyed.
1596
01:17:15,220 --> 01:17:18,390
When you can differentiate between sex
and love
1597
01:17:18,473 --> 01:17:21,768
and everything that happens in between,
1598
01:17:21,852 --> 01:17:24,187
it's a huge gift
that you can give yourself
1599
01:17:24,312 --> 01:17:26,857
and lovers and partners
and friends and family.
1600
01:17:26,940 --> 01:17:30,360
And I'm grateful that that's my world.
1601
01:17:34,614 --> 01:17:35,740
I'm impressed.
1602
01:17:37,284 --> 01:17:41,705
She is my role model. She is my hero.
1603
01:17:41,788 --> 01:17:45,375
And I think I've learned a lot
from my mom.
1604
01:17:45,458 --> 01:17:47,878
She's gone through a lot
and I even tell people
1605
01:17:47,961 --> 01:17:50,422
that she's my hero
and she's my role model.
1606
01:17:50,505 --> 01:17:52,674
She's just like, "Whatever.
I did it for my daughter."
1607
01:17:52,799 --> 01:17:55,343
And now she's doing what she wants.
She owns her own business
1608
01:17:55,427 --> 01:17:58,180
and no matter how many people
talk down about her,
1609
01:17:58,263 --> 01:18:00,765
she still does what she wants to do
and she's successful at it.
1610
01:18:00,849 --> 01:18:04,269
So I guess she's just a good example of,
1611
01:18:04,352 --> 01:18:07,189
don't let other people bring you down.
Just keep doing what you're doing
1612
01:18:07,314 --> 01:18:09,774
and you'll be successful
in what you want to do.
1613
01:18:09,858 --> 01:18:13,320
So. I'm very proud of you,
just so you know that.
1614
01:18:13,445 --> 01:18:15,655
Please don't start crying
'cause then I'll start crying.
1615
01:18:15,739 --> 01:18:17,032
I'm not gonna cry!
1616
01:18:17,115 --> 01:18:18,450
I will start crying.
1617
01:18:18,617 --> 01:18:21,578
Since my husband died, there wasn't
a lot for me to look forward to,
1618
01:18:21,661 --> 01:18:24,456
so it's kind of nice to have that.
1619
01:18:24,539 --> 01:18:27,083
Mom, your husband died?
1620
01:18:28,293 --> 01:18:29,669
Daddy. Where's Daddy?
1621
01:18:30,837 --> 01:18:33,381
-Where's Daddy?
-Up in the clouds.
1622
01:18:33,548 --> 01:18:36,676
There comes a point in our life
when family becomes first,
1623
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:39,971
and the answer to the question.
1624
01:18:41,181 --> 01:18:42,766
It just doesn't even take a beat.
1625
01:18:42,933 --> 01:18:45,101
Sometimes...
1626
01:18:47,103 --> 01:18:49,856
We have the opportunity
to see our friends and family.
1627
01:18:49,981 --> 01:18:52,275
I think Chuck would really appreciate
1628
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:54,653
that we're here today.
1629
01:18:55,737 --> 01:18:58,156
There was something
uniquely vital about Buck Adams
1630
01:18:58,365 --> 01:19:00,617
that could brighten up the darkest moment
1631
01:19:00,742 --> 01:19:04,079
and put a grin on the face
of the bleakest situation.
1632
01:19:04,162 --> 01:19:09,167
With a body that appeared to be hewn
from a granite block of cement
1633
01:19:09,251 --> 01:19:13,171
and an intensity that provided
his fans with vicarious sustenance,
1634
01:19:13,255 --> 01:19:14,756
Buck Adams will always be remembered
1635
01:19:14,839 --> 01:19:17,008
as the guy who got it up when it counted.
1636
01:19:18,385 --> 01:19:19,886
Like I said,
1637
01:19:21,888 --> 01:19:24,432
if you knew it was gonna happen,
1638
01:19:24,516 --> 01:19:26,226
what would you have said?
1639
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:29,980
And you don't always get that chance.
1640
01:19:31,773 --> 01:19:36,194
But right now in my life,
I regret doing porn.
1641
01:19:37,570 --> 01:19:39,406
I regret doing porn
1642
01:19:39,489 --> 01:19:42,492
and I never thought, ever,
1643
01:19:42,575 --> 01:19:47,122
that I would be who I became,
1644
01:19:47,205 --> 01:19:48,707
Houston.
1645
01:19:49,082 --> 01:19:52,961
I never thought I would be so big
and so recognizable
1646
01:19:53,044 --> 01:19:57,882
and I just never thought
it'd turn into what it did for me.
1647
01:19:58,049 --> 01:20:01,636
And God just says,
"Shelley, I'm telling you,
1648
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:03,888
you need to trust me.
1649
01:20:03,972 --> 01:20:05,765
I've got something better for you.
I love you.
1650
01:20:06,016 --> 01:20:10,895
I didn't save your ass all these years
not to give you something better."
1651
01:20:11,021 --> 01:20:12,939
Well, looking back,
1652
01:20:14,149 --> 01:20:18,194
honestly, I can't really go on my computer
1653
01:20:18,278 --> 01:20:21,197
and look at stuff
that I used to do anymore.
1654
01:20:21,281 --> 01:20:24,159
It just makes me... I'm so different.
1655
01:20:24,242 --> 01:20:27,287
I feel so different now,
where I am in life.
1656
01:20:27,370 --> 01:20:30,498
It's really hard for me
to believe that I was that girl.
1657
01:20:31,166 --> 01:20:34,878
So, yes, it has changed me.
For the better, I believe.
1658
01:20:34,961 --> 01:20:38,631
The porn business has afforded me
a very comfortable life.
1659
01:20:38,715 --> 01:20:40,967
It has allowed me
to educate myself in ways
1660
01:20:41,092 --> 01:20:44,137
that I probably wouldn't
have been able to do before.
1661
01:20:44,721 --> 01:20:47,766
It's enabled me to travel
all over the world,
1662
01:20:47,849 --> 01:20:50,435
and meet new and interesting people.
1663
01:20:50,518 --> 01:20:55,982
And it's allowed me to have the cojones,
1664
01:20:56,107 --> 01:20:58,777
if you will,
to try new and exciting things
1665
01:20:58,860 --> 01:21:00,779
that I probably wouldn't have done before,
1666
01:21:00,862 --> 01:21:02,614
I would have been afraid to do.
1667
01:21:02,697 --> 01:21:05,658
I have no fear to do anything.
1668
01:21:05,742 --> 01:21:10,080
Because as people, we have to
fully and freely accept ourself
1669
01:21:10,163 --> 01:21:11,581
for everything we are and we're not
1670
01:21:11,664 --> 01:21:17,587
because if we compartmentalize,
we're never a whole self.
1671
01:21:17,670 --> 01:21:19,881
Especially in relationships,
1672
01:21:19,964 --> 01:21:23,051
we don't get to bring our whole self.
1673
01:21:23,134 --> 01:21:26,679
What I am afraid of the most
is because I've lasted so long
1674
01:21:26,763 --> 01:21:30,100
and this industry is now heading
toward its fourth decade
1675
01:21:30,183 --> 01:21:31,559
of presence on this earth,
1676
01:21:31,643 --> 01:21:33,353
that the people who created this business,
1677
01:21:33,436 --> 01:21:35,772
the Eric Edwardses, the Jamie Gillises,
1678
01:21:35,855 --> 01:21:38,817
the John Leslies,
the great pioneers of this business,
1679
01:21:38,900 --> 01:21:40,985
are not gonna be with us forever
1680
01:21:41,069 --> 01:21:44,614
and I hope to be around
long enough to honor them,
1681
01:21:44,697 --> 01:21:46,658
but I don't want to do it
fast and furiously
1682
01:21:46,741 --> 01:21:49,077
because when they start
to fall by the wayside,
1683
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:50,912
somebody's gonna have to remember them.
1684
01:21:50,995 --> 01:21:53,248
It's based on a line that,
"There is no future
1685
01:21:53,331 --> 01:21:56,292
if in the present we fail
to pay homage to the past."
1686
01:21:56,376 --> 01:21:59,629
But a lot of them are now
in their fifties and sixties,
1687
01:21:59,712 --> 01:22:01,214
some of them in their seventies,
1688
01:22:01,297 --> 01:22:05,510
and somebody is going to have to
be there to tell their stories.
1689
01:22:05,593 --> 01:22:07,929
Eventually this woman is gonna say...
1690
01:22:10,223 --> 01:22:13,309
And then when you're 85
and you can't walk no more
1691
01:22:13,393 --> 01:22:15,103
and you're in a wheelchair,
she's gonna say,
1692
01:22:15,186 --> 01:22:18,106
"You remember when you wanted
to have sex all day?
1693
01:22:18,189 --> 01:22:19,941
Yeah, what do you mean,
You want what?
1694
01:22:20,024 --> 01:22:21,776
What do you want?
1695
01:22:21,860 --> 01:22:23,570
No, no, no, now I'm getting back at you."
1696
01:22:24,904 --> 01:22:27,490
I miss many things about the business,
1697
01:22:28,908 --> 01:22:34,497
but I guess the clearest way
to say it concisely would be...
1698
01:22:34,581 --> 01:22:36,291
The biblical phrase occurs to me,
1699
01:22:36,374 --> 01:22:39,169
"When I was a child, I spake as a child,
1700
01:22:39,252 --> 01:22:42,172
and when I was a man,
I put away childish things."
1701
01:22:42,255 --> 01:22:44,507
I'm trying to think of Joe Namath.
1702
01:22:44,632 --> 01:22:46,593
Joe, do you miss football?
1703
01:22:46,676 --> 01:22:50,054
Sure he does,
but he can't play like he used to.
1704
01:22:50,138 --> 01:22:53,308
He's 65 years old now.
1705
01:22:53,433 --> 01:22:54,809
I'm in the same place.
1706
01:22:54,893 --> 01:22:57,145
Am I happy I did porn? Yeah.
1707
01:22:57,312 --> 01:22:59,647
I really don't have too many regrets
1708
01:22:59,731 --> 01:23:02,358
'cause so much stuff came out of it
that was positive.
1709
01:23:02,442 --> 01:23:04,652
I got to travel around the world,
1710
01:23:04,736 --> 01:23:07,322
met a lot of interesting people,
1711
01:23:07,447 --> 01:23:09,699
I'm way over my quota sexually.
1712
01:23:09,782 --> 01:23:12,577
I think people ask me
and I guess the estimate's
1713
01:23:12,660 --> 01:23:15,663
I've been with 3,000 women
or something like that.
1714
01:23:15,747 --> 01:23:17,832
Most of them were awesome to work with.
1715
01:23:17,916 --> 01:23:20,043
Still friends with a lot of 'em.
1716
01:23:21,377 --> 01:23:23,963
So, yeah, overall,
it was a hell of an experience.
1717
01:23:24,047 --> 01:23:25,965
Essentially I am living my life right now
1718
01:23:26,049 --> 01:23:28,051
the way I want to live it
for the rest of my life.
1719
01:23:28,134 --> 01:23:31,471
I want to die
doing what I'm doing right now.
1720
01:23:31,554 --> 01:23:33,389
How many people can say that?
1721
01:23:33,556 --> 01:23:36,142
I live here and I have a place
that I love this much.
1722
01:23:36,226 --> 01:23:38,937
I think I'm as lucky
as anybody could be on earth.
1723
01:23:39,062 --> 01:23:41,189
I don't know what the hell to ask for.
1724
01:23:42,732 --> 01:23:44,234
I'm happy.
1725
01:23:45,401 --> 01:23:46,694
I'm not in a dark place.
1726
01:23:46,778 --> 01:23:51,032
I'm not suicidal. I'm not doing drugs.
1727
01:23:51,115 --> 01:23:53,826
I'm not self-destructive.
1728
01:23:53,910 --> 01:23:56,204
But the last two years has been a journey,
1729
01:23:56,287 --> 01:23:59,499
'cause I was very self-destructive before.
1730
01:23:59,582 --> 01:24:01,376
I'm not saying it changed overnight.
1731
01:24:01,459 --> 01:24:04,128
I still have self-destructive thoughts,
1732
01:24:04,712 --> 01:24:10,301
but I'm just in a healthier
place all around.
1733
01:24:11,010 --> 01:24:14,138
You hear some people we talk to
who are leading normal lives
1734
01:24:14,222 --> 01:24:17,058
and are doing pretty good.
How the hell would you really know?
1735
01:24:17,141 --> 01:24:21,229
How would you know what really goes on
in their life at 2:00 a.m.?
1736
01:24:21,312 --> 01:24:23,815
The torment... How would you know?
1737
01:24:23,898 --> 01:24:25,608
Are they gonna tell you
about all the times
1738
01:24:25,692 --> 01:24:27,485
they've been rejected and isolated
1739
01:24:27,569 --> 01:24:32,156
and the horror and the shame
that their children confront
1740
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:34,200
and that their spouses confront
1741
01:24:34,284 --> 01:24:36,911
and the shame that
they've put their families through
1742
01:24:36,995 --> 01:24:40,915
and the relationships
that have been permanently broken?
1743
01:24:40,999 --> 01:24:44,794
All the burned bridges behind them
because they've done sex work.
1744
01:24:44,877 --> 01:24:48,631
Most families aren't proud
when their daughters become hookers.
1745
01:24:48,715 --> 01:24:50,133
I think the difference
1746
01:24:50,216 --> 01:24:54,512
between me and the other girls
in the industry
1747
01:24:54,596 --> 01:25:00,476
was that I really enjoyed being there
and not just the sex.
1748
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:03,771
I used it to better myself as a person.
1749
01:25:03,855 --> 01:25:06,566
I never let the industry
take advantage of me in any way.
1750
01:25:06,649 --> 01:25:08,776
I always took advantage of the industry.
1751
01:25:08,860 --> 01:25:10,278
I made phenomenal amounts of money,
1752
01:25:10,361 --> 01:25:13,615
I produced movies, I wrote movies,
I starred in them.
1753
01:25:13,698 --> 01:25:15,658
People were paying me
hundreds of dollars an hour
1754
01:25:15,783 --> 01:25:18,703
to sign autographs? I'm with this!
1755
01:25:20,788 --> 01:25:23,249
The other girls leave
with a bad taste in their mouth.
1756
01:25:24,334 --> 01:25:26,919
I have nothing but good memories
when I look back.
1757
01:25:27,128 --> 01:25:30,590
If I wanted to go back into porn,
I could get a contract in any company
1758
01:25:30,715 --> 01:25:32,425
and still just do
straight boy-girl scenes.
1759
01:25:32,508 --> 01:25:34,510
When I'm 32, if I want to go back to porn
1760
01:25:34,594 --> 01:25:37,555
because I'm really broke, let's say,
hopefully it won't happen,
1761
01:25:37,639 --> 01:25:39,265
I'd tell a porn company,
1762
01:25:39,349 --> 01:25:41,809
"I'm gonna come back
and do two guys and do anal."
1763
01:25:41,893 --> 01:25:44,062
If I'm 35 and broke, I need to do porn,
1764
01:25:44,145 --> 01:25:46,939
I'll tell 'em I'll do a black guy.
1765
01:25:47,106 --> 01:25:50,234
There isn't that much of a future
after the X-rated industry
1766
01:25:50,318 --> 01:25:53,696
because somehow, somewhere,
somebody will find you.
1767
01:25:53,780 --> 01:25:56,449
The famous line I used to say
to anybody walking into my office
1768
01:25:56,532 --> 01:25:58,701
when I ran the biggest agency,
"What are you gonna do
1769
01:25:58,785 --> 01:26:00,995
ten years from now
when your kid brings home a magazine
1770
01:26:01,079 --> 01:26:03,831
with you laying in the middle of it
with a candle shoved up your ass?
1771
01:26:03,915 --> 01:26:06,709
You gonna tell 'em you were playing
the part of a birthday cake?"
1772
01:26:06,793 --> 01:26:08,169
It doesn't go away.
1773
01:26:08,961 --> 01:26:11,464
My husband and my son changed my life.
1774
01:26:14,759 --> 01:26:16,302
And my son saved my life.
1775
01:26:19,222 --> 01:26:22,058
And looking at him every day
1776
01:26:22,141 --> 01:26:24,977
reminds me how precious life is
1777
01:26:27,021 --> 01:26:31,275
and how throwing it away on drugs
and alcohol
1778
01:26:31,359 --> 01:26:35,279
and just the stupid crap
that's out there...
1779
01:26:36,197 --> 01:26:38,449
God, it's just so not worth it.147365
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