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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,432 --> 00:00:12,878 - Thank God, I'm free. 2 00:00:12,878 --> 00:00:15,664 I don't have to worry about problem no more. 3 00:00:15,664 --> 00:00:16,886 It's all over. 4 00:00:16,886 --> 00:00:18,983 (laughing) I'm so glad. 5 00:00:18,983 --> 00:00:19,816 Yeah. 6 00:00:23,427 --> 00:00:25,838 Yeah, man I feel good. 7 00:00:25,838 --> 00:00:26,878 Very glad. 8 00:00:40,521 --> 00:00:41,629 - [Newscaster] Shortly after this photograph 9 00:00:41,629 --> 00:00:42,820 was taken at the funeral, 10 00:00:42,820 --> 00:00:44,558 deputies arrested their father, 11 00:00:44,558 --> 00:00:47,070 33 year old James Richardson for murder, 12 00:00:47,070 --> 00:00:49,153 he's serving a life term. 13 00:00:51,847 --> 00:00:52,897 - I think he's very guilty, 14 00:00:52,897 --> 00:00:54,655 I think he was proven guilty and I think, 15 00:00:54,655 --> 00:00:57,306 I know that the finding of the trial court 16 00:00:57,306 --> 00:00:59,731 was sustained unanimously by the Supreme Court 17 00:00:59,731 --> 00:01:03,398 and I don't know why people won't accept it. 18 00:01:05,177 --> 00:01:08,052 - It was very hard for men to suffer 19 00:01:08,052 --> 00:01:10,719 and knowing that you're innocent 20 00:01:11,851 --> 00:01:14,876 and losing everything you've got. 21 00:01:14,876 --> 00:01:17,709 What will be the next step for me? 22 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,293 - [Peter] There are many pieces to this puzzle. 23 00:01:24,293 --> 00:01:26,543 (cheering) 24 00:01:28,976 --> 00:01:33,216 - [James] Richardson released: "I feel fine.", he said. 25 00:01:33,216 --> 00:01:34,383 That is great. 26 00:01:36,533 --> 00:01:40,450 - [Peter] There were many lies, many omissions. 27 00:01:42,125 --> 00:01:44,875 Hidden depositions and documents. 28 00:01:49,268 --> 00:01:50,495 They were all in different places 29 00:01:50,495 --> 00:01:53,970 and all in different people's heads. 30 00:01:53,970 --> 00:01:56,795 - When people leave jail, it is usually said 31 00:01:56,795 --> 00:01:59,869 that they have paid their debt to society, 32 00:01:59,869 --> 00:02:01,805 but in this case, how on earth 33 00:02:01,805 --> 00:02:05,737 can society pay its debt to James Richardson, 34 00:02:05,737 --> 00:02:09,307 for 20 years of anguish and pain? 35 00:02:09,307 --> 00:02:11,194 - [Geraldine] Sometimes the system works 36 00:02:11,194 --> 00:02:14,424 and sometimes it is flawed and so, 37 00:02:14,424 --> 00:02:18,175 I think in the case of James Joseph Richardson, 38 00:02:18,175 --> 00:02:19,743 it was flawed. 39 00:02:19,743 --> 00:02:23,410 (gentle instrumental music) 40 00:02:34,791 --> 00:02:37,857 (upbeat instrumental music) 41 00:02:37,857 --> 00:02:42,414 - James Richardson was a typical migrant worker 42 00:02:42,414 --> 00:02:43,581 of those days. 43 00:02:44,737 --> 00:02:46,147 - He worked in the groves, he and his wife, 44 00:02:46,147 --> 00:02:48,816 both picked tangerines, oranges, you name it. 45 00:02:48,816 --> 00:02:51,483 That's what they did to survive. 46 00:02:52,331 --> 00:02:56,046 - [Peter] The entire citrus industry was 47 00:02:56,046 --> 00:02:59,000 filled with migrant workers. 48 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,642 - [Tim] At the time this was 1967 in Arcadia. 49 00:03:02,642 --> 00:03:05,261 - Those small towns back in those days 50 00:03:05,261 --> 00:03:07,279 were just like the classic small towns 51 00:03:07,279 --> 00:03:09,906 that you hear about in Alabama and Texas, 52 00:03:09,906 --> 00:03:12,610 and these other places where people were getting lynched 53 00:03:12,610 --> 00:03:15,443 and where they had their own laws. 54 00:03:16,961 --> 00:03:20,454 He was a black man, married to Annie May Richardson, 55 00:03:20,454 --> 00:03:22,454 they had seven children. 56 00:03:29,457 --> 00:03:30,922 - [Tim] Some of em were Annie May's 57 00:03:30,922 --> 00:03:33,089 and they had James Junior. 58 00:03:35,574 --> 00:03:39,324 - He seemed to be just a quiet simple person. 59 00:03:42,879 --> 00:03:46,002 - The whole thing happened one day, 60 00:03:46,002 --> 00:03:50,002 I think it was something on in October, in 1967. 61 00:03:53,184 --> 00:03:55,684 - [Peter] It was October 25th, 62 00:03:56,536 --> 00:03:58,765 it was like every other morning. 63 00:03:58,765 --> 00:04:01,186 They left early, he and his wife, 64 00:04:01,186 --> 00:04:05,232 to jump on a migrant bus that took them way out 65 00:04:05,232 --> 00:04:07,232 into the fields to pick. 66 00:04:08,990 --> 00:04:12,640 - [James] It was about 14 miles from town. 67 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,931 - [Peter] Before they left, just like every morning, 68 00:04:14,931 --> 00:04:18,571 the mother would leave the breakfast for the children. 69 00:04:18,571 --> 00:04:19,404 - [Tim] At that time the children 70 00:04:19,404 --> 00:04:20,916 were fed by the babysitter, 71 00:04:20,916 --> 00:04:24,441 the lady that lived next door in the duplex, Betsy Rees. 72 00:04:24,441 --> 00:04:25,943 - [Peter] The babysitter, because there were two children 73 00:04:25,943 --> 00:04:27,929 that were too young to go to school. 74 00:04:27,929 --> 00:04:32,129 - We trusted her, because she had some children, 75 00:04:32,129 --> 00:04:34,634 we were right next door to one another. 76 00:04:34,634 --> 00:04:35,980 - And Betsy Rees would feed them 77 00:04:35,980 --> 00:04:38,781 and sometimes she had her own grandchildren, 78 00:04:38,781 --> 00:04:40,514 would eat, the families would eat together. 79 00:04:40,514 --> 00:04:41,998 That day, they did not. 80 00:04:41,998 --> 00:04:43,725 - The babysitter prepared it, fried it, 81 00:04:43,725 --> 00:04:48,544 did whatever they do to it and served it to the children. 82 00:04:48,544 --> 00:04:50,335 All seven of the children ate it, 83 00:04:50,335 --> 00:04:53,680 five of them left and walked to school. 84 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:58,440 - And they started to, basically, foam at the mouth. 85 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,917 - If you can imagine the scene, think of a movie like this, 86 00:05:01,917 --> 00:05:03,859 where in five different rooms, 87 00:05:03,859 --> 00:05:06,398 teachers are running around carrying a child, 88 00:05:06,398 --> 00:05:08,207 like, what's going on, what's going on? 89 00:05:08,207 --> 00:05:10,171 They figured, oh my god, what about the kids at home? 90 00:05:10,171 --> 00:05:13,878 - The teachers took action and they went to the house 91 00:05:13,878 --> 00:05:15,137 because they knew they had younger siblings 92 00:05:15,137 --> 00:05:16,678 that weren't of school age 93 00:05:16,678 --> 00:05:20,383 and those children were also found in the same condition. 94 00:05:20,383 --> 00:05:22,222 - They rushed over to the home and there's Betsy Rees 95 00:05:22,222 --> 00:05:24,542 holding one dead kid in her arms 96 00:05:24,542 --> 00:05:28,146 and the other kid"s lying on the ground convulsing. 97 00:05:28,146 --> 00:05:31,012 Word was sent out to the field. 98 00:05:31,012 --> 00:05:32,473 - They took our sacks and things 99 00:05:32,473 --> 00:05:35,056 and threw them up on the truck. 100 00:05:37,996 --> 00:05:40,829 - At that time, James and of course, Annie May 101 00:05:40,829 --> 00:05:43,229 were called back and they were taken to the hospital. 102 00:05:43,229 --> 00:05:45,338 - And they brought Richardson and his wife in, 103 00:05:45,338 --> 00:05:47,444 would not tell them what was going on, 104 00:05:47,444 --> 00:05:50,308 took them right into the hospital 105 00:05:50,308 --> 00:05:54,915 and then into the chapel, made them start praying, 106 00:05:54,915 --> 00:05:55,781 even before they told them like, 107 00:05:55,781 --> 00:05:57,036 what's going on, where are my kids? 108 00:05:57,036 --> 00:05:59,765 They wouldn't even answer the question. 109 00:05:59,765 --> 00:06:03,932 - They called the minister and he took us into the room 110 00:06:05,660 --> 00:06:07,910 and he said, "Let us pray." 111 00:06:09,408 --> 00:06:11,529 I said, "Pray for what?" 112 00:06:11,529 --> 00:06:14,452 And then he took the sheriff and said, "You tell him." 113 00:06:14,452 --> 00:06:18,619 And the sheriff said, no, "I'm gonna let y'all tell him." 114 00:06:20,963 --> 00:06:23,227 The man spoke out and said, 115 00:06:23,227 --> 00:06:26,227 "James, all your children are dead." 116 00:06:27,169 --> 00:06:30,836 (gentle instrumental music) 117 00:06:46,489 --> 00:06:50,124 - People in the town got together, the churches, 118 00:06:50,124 --> 00:06:52,353 whatever, and raised enough money to bury these kids. 119 00:06:52,353 --> 00:06:56,229 They had a huge funeral at the gymnasium, 120 00:06:56,229 --> 00:06:59,842 where all seven caskets were laid out and of course, 121 00:06:59,842 --> 00:07:02,611 those pictures went nationwide, 122 00:07:02,611 --> 00:07:03,839 went all over the world. 123 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:05,868 You know, seven caskets lined up, 124 00:07:05,868 --> 00:07:08,812 that's a pretty dramatic photo. 125 00:07:08,812 --> 00:07:11,812 And they are in a certain section of the Arcadia, 126 00:07:11,812 --> 00:07:15,226 old Arcadia graveyard, there's a plot there 127 00:07:15,226 --> 00:07:17,059 with the seven graves. 128 00:07:21,322 --> 00:07:23,961 - At that time the police weren't sure what happened, 129 00:07:23,961 --> 00:07:25,932 but poisoning was suspected, 130 00:07:25,932 --> 00:07:29,423 based on the foaming at the mouth, things like that. 131 00:07:29,423 --> 00:07:31,931 The smell of Parathion was very heavy in the house, 132 00:07:31,931 --> 00:07:33,508 those were the sheriff's words. 133 00:07:33,508 --> 00:07:34,808 - [Newscaster] What killed them? 134 00:07:34,808 --> 00:07:38,474 Parathion, an extremely poisonous insecticide. 135 00:07:38,474 --> 00:07:40,389 Parathion powder, lots of it, 136 00:07:40,389 --> 00:07:42,560 was mixed into their last meal. 137 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:47,023 - Well, Parathion was a commonly used insecticide, 138 00:07:47,023 --> 00:07:50,044 used back in those days, it was eventually banned from use. 139 00:07:50,044 --> 00:07:53,044 It was horrible, just a little tiny, 140 00:07:54,090 --> 00:07:58,160 less than half a spoonful, would make you violently sick, 141 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,050 any more than that and it would kill you. 142 00:08:01,050 --> 00:08:03,101 - When they brought them in through the door, 143 00:08:03,101 --> 00:08:05,661 little things, just hands and arms drawn up, 144 00:08:05,661 --> 00:08:08,661 just gripping, foaming at the mouth. 145 00:08:10,205 --> 00:08:12,267 They couldn't cry out in anguish, real loud or nothing, 146 00:08:12,267 --> 00:08:15,649 because with your body contracting like it was, 147 00:08:15,649 --> 00:08:17,533 you just can't do it. 148 00:08:17,533 --> 00:08:18,654 - It's a horrible, horrible thing, 149 00:08:18,654 --> 00:08:21,237 those kids died a horrible death. 150 00:08:21,237 --> 00:08:22,654 And the sheriff went in there 151 00:08:22,654 --> 00:08:24,106 and they ransacked the house, 152 00:08:24,106 --> 00:08:25,946 looking for anything they could. 153 00:08:25,946 --> 00:08:28,545 - [James] They couldn't find nothin'. 154 00:08:28,545 --> 00:08:30,878 The stuff wasn't even there. 155 00:08:32,156 --> 00:08:34,349 - They couldn't find it, but they found a business card 156 00:08:34,349 --> 00:08:38,213 from an insurance agent and on the back of the card, 157 00:08:38,213 --> 00:08:41,630 it was $500 upon the death of each child. 158 00:08:44,777 --> 00:08:45,827 - It took off from there, 159 00:08:45,827 --> 00:08:49,354 where he became a suspect because an insurance man 160 00:08:49,354 --> 00:08:51,484 just happened to be walking through the neighborhood 161 00:08:51,484 --> 00:08:53,632 the night before, saw the light on 162 00:08:53,632 --> 00:08:57,842 and went to see if he could sell some insurance. 163 00:08:57,842 --> 00:09:01,424 - They used that card and a few other things, 164 00:09:01,424 --> 00:09:04,808 a bag of parathion magically appeared in a shed 165 00:09:04,808 --> 00:09:07,391 behind his house the day after. 166 00:09:08,491 --> 00:09:10,460 - Betsy Rees and Charlie, 167 00:09:10,460 --> 00:09:12,280 I can't remember his last name, he was 168 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,938 I guess the, kind of the town drunk, 169 00:09:14,938 --> 00:09:19,105 somehow they found a bag of Parathion in the shed, 170 00:09:19,983 --> 00:09:23,650 that the sheriff had already searched twice. 171 00:09:24,630 --> 00:09:26,568 That's what the sheriff basically used, 172 00:09:26,568 --> 00:09:28,704 saying that he had bought insurance the night before 173 00:09:28,704 --> 00:09:30,954 and then poisoned his kids. 174 00:09:34,815 --> 00:09:37,982 That was Frank Kline, was the sheriff. 175 00:09:38,962 --> 00:09:41,015 He actually got an award from Detective Magazine 176 00:09:41,015 --> 00:09:44,823 for his work on the case and I kind of find that ironic, 177 00:09:44,823 --> 00:09:46,895 since I don't think he really did that much 178 00:09:46,895 --> 00:09:48,562 of an investigation. 179 00:09:50,145 --> 00:09:51,767 - [Newscaster] Richardson was first arrested 180 00:09:51,767 --> 00:09:55,071 on a child neglect charge, immediately after the deaths, 181 00:09:55,071 --> 00:09:57,896 but three months later in January of '68, 182 00:09:57,896 --> 00:10:02,038 the state still did not have a solid murder case. 183 00:10:02,038 --> 00:10:05,700 - James Richardson was in jail originally 184 00:10:05,700 --> 00:10:07,739 a short amount of time, it might have been two weeks 185 00:10:07,739 --> 00:10:09,989 before he was granted bail. 186 00:10:11,210 --> 00:10:13,858 So after he left jail they went in there 187 00:10:13,858 --> 00:10:14,876 and talked to all the prisoners, 188 00:10:14,876 --> 00:10:17,730 saying, did this guy say anything? 189 00:10:17,730 --> 00:10:19,329 And they ran into four or five guys 190 00:10:19,329 --> 00:10:23,107 that claimed that he had made statements 191 00:10:23,107 --> 00:10:24,747 to the effect of, oh I'm just trying, 192 00:10:24,747 --> 00:10:26,587 I've got to get out from under all this, 193 00:10:26,587 --> 00:10:28,650 that he was having marital trouble. 194 00:10:28,650 --> 00:10:31,583 - This guy, Ernell Washington, 195 00:10:31,583 --> 00:10:33,055 he was telling the sheriff, 196 00:10:33,055 --> 00:10:36,538 you scratch my back and I'll scratch your back 197 00:10:36,538 --> 00:10:38,955 and one thing from the other. 198 00:10:40,952 --> 00:10:45,067 - [Peter] Even some of these, he even gave, 199 00:10:45,067 --> 00:10:47,810 claimed that James Richardson told him how he did it, 200 00:10:47,810 --> 00:10:50,057 that he put the Parathion in, 201 00:10:50,057 --> 00:10:54,185 it was already in the pot before she started to cook it. 202 00:10:54,185 --> 00:10:57,249 - Without those statements, those jailhouse confessions, 203 00:10:57,249 --> 00:10:58,667 he would had a weak case. 204 00:10:58,667 --> 00:11:00,291 - And once that happened, of course, 205 00:11:00,291 --> 00:11:04,208 they went and picked him up and put him in jail 206 00:11:07,424 --> 00:11:12,070 and then they prepared their case, over a couple months. 207 00:11:12,070 --> 00:11:15,820 - Subsequently he was put through the system. 208 00:11:17,531 --> 00:11:19,811 A lawyer from Daytona Beach, John Robinson, 209 00:11:19,811 --> 00:11:21,034 agreed to represent him. 210 00:11:21,034 --> 00:11:24,985 - They gave him a couple of names for a public defender 211 00:11:24,985 --> 00:11:27,054 and he picked John Robinson 212 00:11:27,054 --> 00:11:28,732 'cause his name was close to Richardson. 213 00:11:28,732 --> 00:11:31,206 That's all he knew about it. 214 00:11:31,206 --> 00:11:32,891 They decided that that he should 215 00:11:32,891 --> 00:11:35,891 be charged with first degree murder, 216 00:11:37,089 --> 00:11:41,256 which meant death penalty and then they had a trial. 217 00:11:42,943 --> 00:11:44,616 - [Tim] Frank Shaub was the prosecutor. 218 00:11:44,616 --> 00:11:46,799 He had recently been the prosecutor 219 00:11:46,799 --> 00:11:48,984 in the Carl Coppolino case in Tampa. 220 00:11:48,984 --> 00:11:51,494 - [Peter] And so he was well known for that. 221 00:11:51,494 --> 00:11:53,332 He beat F. Lee Bailey in that case, 222 00:11:53,332 --> 00:11:55,423 that's why I say Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, 223 00:11:55,423 --> 00:11:58,413 whatever, he was, he was the man. 224 00:11:58,413 --> 00:12:00,653 - This was the next big case that came up 225 00:12:00,653 --> 00:12:04,522 and he was the prosecutor for that section and yes, 226 00:12:04,522 --> 00:12:07,535 he was interested in finding the killer of seven children. 227 00:12:07,535 --> 00:12:09,820 - [Newscaster] The trial began May 27th. 228 00:12:09,820 --> 00:12:12,873 Jurors heard of Richardson's alleged confession. 229 00:12:12,873 --> 00:12:16,749 - And these guys were all given days off of their sentences, 230 00:12:16,749 --> 00:12:18,619 that's part of the record, 231 00:12:18,619 --> 00:12:22,106 in return for their testimony against Richardson. 232 00:12:22,106 --> 00:12:23,620 - [Interviewee] These two out here, Cunningham and Weaver, 233 00:12:23,620 --> 00:12:26,178 would do anything the sheriff would ask them to do. 234 00:12:26,178 --> 00:12:27,234 - [Interviewer] Even lie? 235 00:12:27,234 --> 00:12:28,785 - Even lie. 236 00:12:28,785 --> 00:12:29,959 They did. 237 00:12:29,959 --> 00:12:32,355 - What happens with a jailhouse snitch ordinarily is 238 00:12:32,355 --> 00:12:35,457 that they're given some kind of a deal, you know. 239 00:12:35,457 --> 00:12:39,371 Certainly that deal should be made known to a jury, 240 00:12:39,371 --> 00:12:42,401 but sometimes those deals are hidden. 241 00:12:42,401 --> 00:12:45,547 - This witness, James Ernell Washington, 242 00:12:45,547 --> 00:12:46,738 they come down, take a statement 243 00:12:46,738 --> 00:12:49,378 and he gets some deal cut, he gets out. 244 00:12:49,378 --> 00:12:53,597 But even in that statement, he tells them for pages, 245 00:12:53,597 --> 00:12:56,479 oh yeah, I asked Richardson, who he think did it, 246 00:12:56,479 --> 00:13:00,039 oh, I think the babysitter did it. 247 00:13:00,039 --> 00:13:01,609 - She was no more a suspect than you. 248 00:13:01,609 --> 00:13:03,597 I mean, what do we have to suspect her for? 249 00:13:03,597 --> 00:13:05,679 - Even more interesting is the fact that Mrs. Rees 250 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,307 was once accused of poisoning one of her husbands 251 00:13:08,307 --> 00:13:10,918 and served prison time for murdering another. 252 00:13:10,918 --> 00:13:13,158 She was also reportedly mad at the Richardson family 253 00:13:13,158 --> 00:13:15,181 because another husband left her 254 00:13:15,181 --> 00:13:16,930 for one of the Richardson cousins. 255 00:13:16,930 --> 00:13:19,770 - Well, in her background, yeah, that's the crazy thing, 256 00:13:19,770 --> 00:13:22,027 there's a husband that died of poisoning, 257 00:13:22,027 --> 00:13:24,033 but she was never convicted of it. 258 00:13:24,033 --> 00:13:25,866 And then a couple years later, 259 00:13:25,866 --> 00:13:28,619 a second husband died, she shot him to death. 260 00:13:28,619 --> 00:13:31,988 And I guess maybe it must have stunned James Richardson, 261 00:13:31,988 --> 00:13:34,505 because part of the issue in this trial was 262 00:13:34,505 --> 00:13:37,458 that he never seemed to show any feeling 263 00:13:37,458 --> 00:13:39,626 about what happened. 264 00:13:39,626 --> 00:13:41,642 He didn't sit there screaming and crying 265 00:13:41,642 --> 00:13:45,392 and pounding the wall, he seemed calm 266 00:13:45,392 --> 00:13:47,362 that seemed odd to everybody, you know. 267 00:13:47,362 --> 00:13:49,482 - [Newscaster] Four days of testimony. 268 00:13:49,482 --> 00:13:51,194 Reporters from national publications 269 00:13:51,194 --> 00:13:54,777 and TV networks gave the trial nationwide notoriety. 270 00:13:54,777 --> 00:13:57,320 - It wasn't that long, it wasn't even a week. 271 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,442 The jury, after that, once it was over with, 272 00:14:00,442 --> 00:14:04,609 the jury, I believe, only deliberated for two hours. 273 00:14:06,057 --> 00:14:07,790 They came back with a guilty verdict 274 00:14:07,790 --> 00:14:10,010 and he was sentenced to death. 275 00:14:10,010 --> 00:14:12,677 - I wondered what was happening. 276 00:14:16,962 --> 00:14:18,295 It was just bad. 277 00:14:21,206 --> 00:14:22,860 - But the fact that he was black, 278 00:14:22,860 --> 00:14:25,723 can't deny that he had no friends, 279 00:14:25,723 --> 00:14:26,556 he was in a court room, 280 00:14:26,556 --> 00:14:28,506 he was the only black man in the court room. 281 00:14:28,506 --> 00:14:32,194 - It was twelve white jurors and a white judge. 282 00:14:32,194 --> 00:14:36,748 And this was a poor African-American fruit picker 283 00:14:36,748 --> 00:14:38,256 who was the defendant. 284 00:14:38,256 --> 00:14:39,373 And seven children were dead 285 00:14:39,373 --> 00:14:42,696 and somebody had to answer for that. 286 00:14:42,696 --> 00:14:45,446 - I don't think he had any confidence at all. 287 00:14:45,446 --> 00:14:49,613 He fell into that black hole, that's it for me, you know. 288 00:14:55,057 --> 00:14:56,694 - He was given the death sentence 289 00:14:56,694 --> 00:14:59,749 he was sent to Raiford prison, North Florida, 290 00:14:59,749 --> 00:15:02,507 where he spent from '68 to '73, 291 00:15:02,507 --> 00:15:06,351 if my memory's correct, on death row. 292 00:15:06,351 --> 00:15:07,851 - That was back in the days on death row, 293 00:15:07,851 --> 00:15:09,892 when they gave every prisoner that came in, 294 00:15:09,892 --> 00:15:11,561 was given a dry run to show em 295 00:15:11,561 --> 00:15:14,042 what was going to happen someday. 296 00:15:14,042 --> 00:15:16,139 - [Tim] I believe that was part of the practice was, 297 00:15:16,139 --> 00:15:19,972 you know, it was used to keep the inmate calm, 298 00:15:20,966 --> 00:15:23,130 to try and keep them calm so 299 00:15:23,130 --> 00:15:24,602 that they understood what was going to happen 300 00:15:24,602 --> 00:15:27,222 and it wasn't a surprise to them. 301 00:15:27,222 --> 00:15:29,291 - [Man] About five o'clock in the morning, 302 00:15:29,291 --> 00:15:31,581 he's brought out, where he is shaved, 303 00:15:31,581 --> 00:15:34,576 his head head is shaved and his right leg is shaved 304 00:15:34,576 --> 00:15:37,028 and then he is brought through this door, 305 00:15:37,028 --> 00:15:38,205 which proceeds down a corridor, 306 00:15:38,205 --> 00:15:41,758 which goes to where the electric chair is. 307 00:15:41,758 --> 00:15:44,008 - I remember his telling us 308 00:15:45,314 --> 00:15:49,776 that they had gone so far as to shave his head, 309 00:15:49,776 --> 00:15:51,603 in preparation for it. 310 00:15:51,603 --> 00:15:54,754 - They took the machine, running up and down my hand, 311 00:15:54,754 --> 00:15:57,083 and they put it all up and down here 312 00:15:57,083 --> 00:15:59,500 and under my arms and my leg. 313 00:16:00,592 --> 00:16:03,132 - [Man] He's brought in and put into the chair 314 00:16:03,132 --> 00:16:06,372 and the strap are placed around his chest 315 00:16:06,372 --> 00:16:09,597 and around his lap and on his arms. 316 00:16:09,597 --> 00:16:10,430 - [Peter] So they brought him in there, 317 00:16:10,430 --> 00:16:12,214 shaved his head, hooked him up as if 318 00:16:12,214 --> 00:16:14,309 it was really going to happen and then turned it off 319 00:16:14,309 --> 00:16:16,976 and let him go back to his cell. 320 00:16:22,180 --> 00:16:23,576 - The Supreme Court declared 321 00:16:23,576 --> 00:16:26,247 the death penalty unconstitutional today 322 00:16:26,247 --> 00:16:28,076 and spared the lives of 600 men 323 00:16:28,076 --> 00:16:30,324 in death row cells across the country. 324 00:16:30,324 --> 00:16:31,564 But the divergent opinions 325 00:16:31,564 --> 00:16:33,786 offered by the justices leave some questions 326 00:16:33,786 --> 00:16:36,494 about capital punishment still unanswered. 327 00:16:36,494 --> 00:16:37,473 - He said the death penalty 328 00:16:37,473 --> 00:16:41,044 has been imposed disproportionately on minority groups. 329 00:16:41,044 --> 00:16:42,569 More than half of the 600 people 330 00:16:42,569 --> 00:16:45,076 now under death sentence are black. 331 00:16:45,076 --> 00:16:47,690 - But for the U.S. Supreme Court in Furman versus Georgia, 332 00:16:47,690 --> 00:16:51,832 overturning everybody's death penalty in the United States, 333 00:16:51,832 --> 00:16:54,691 Mr. Richardson would have been executed. 334 00:16:54,691 --> 00:16:57,430 - All the death row inmates 335 00:16:57,430 --> 00:17:01,673 were then put into life sentences, 25 years 336 00:17:01,673 --> 00:17:04,673 and also the ability to have parole. 337 00:17:06,383 --> 00:17:08,966 Basically, he was denied parole 338 00:17:10,713 --> 00:17:14,342 because he didn't show any remorse, 339 00:17:14,342 --> 00:17:16,617 which, if he didn't do it, how could he have remorse 340 00:17:16,617 --> 00:17:18,094 for something he didn't do, you know? 341 00:17:18,094 --> 00:17:22,011 I don't think he was capable of being an actor. 342 00:17:23,150 --> 00:17:26,558 - It very hard for a man, to suffer and knowing 343 00:17:26,558 --> 00:17:30,725 that you're innocent and losing everything you've got. 344 00:17:32,844 --> 00:17:35,677 What will be the next step for me? 345 00:17:37,127 --> 00:17:39,384 - [Peter] Although we talked to experts in grief 346 00:17:39,384 --> 00:17:41,333 at the University of Miami and other places 347 00:17:41,333 --> 00:17:42,813 that told us within different ways, 348 00:17:42,813 --> 00:17:43,928 the worse the tragedy is, 349 00:17:43,928 --> 00:17:47,230 that his reaction was not uncommon. 350 00:17:47,230 --> 00:17:48,960 - And I believe Frank Schaub, 351 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,272 the prosecutor, was always there also, 352 00:17:51,272 --> 00:17:52,251 because you have to remember 353 00:17:52,251 --> 00:17:56,988 that James was only convicted of the oldest daughter's death 354 00:17:56,988 --> 00:18:00,323 and supposedly Frank Schaub had said, 355 00:18:00,323 --> 00:18:01,883 or was quoted as saying, 356 00:18:01,883 --> 00:18:03,456 "If we don't get him on the first one, 357 00:18:03,456 --> 00:18:06,217 "well, we got six more tries." 358 00:18:06,217 --> 00:18:09,137 - He made it known to Richardson that he would, 359 00:18:09,137 --> 00:18:10,065 the minute he walked out, 360 00:18:10,065 --> 00:18:12,657 he would charge him with murder for the other child 361 00:18:12,657 --> 00:18:15,547 and we'll do the whole thing over again. 362 00:18:15,547 --> 00:18:17,851 - [Tim] That was kind of the thought process, 363 00:18:17,851 --> 00:18:19,768 I believe, at the time. 364 00:18:20,999 --> 00:18:23,241 - But see, he had to fight it because his reputation 365 00:18:23,241 --> 00:18:24,969 and his whole sterling career, 366 00:18:24,969 --> 00:18:28,679 the man that beat F. Lee Bailey, you know, 367 00:18:28,679 --> 00:18:29,857 back then that was a big deal, 368 00:18:29,857 --> 00:18:34,151 especially in little Arcadia, it was on the line. 369 00:18:34,151 --> 00:18:35,903 - And Frank Schaub, I believe that too, 370 00:18:35,903 --> 00:18:40,438 he believed in his heart that he had the right guy. 371 00:18:40,438 --> 00:18:43,468 Why else would he go attend parole hearings? 372 00:18:43,468 --> 00:18:47,303 To make sure that he stayed in prison. 373 00:18:47,303 --> 00:18:49,935 - I think he's very guilty, I think he was proven guilty. 374 00:18:49,935 --> 00:18:52,473 The finding of the trial court 375 00:18:52,473 --> 00:18:54,698 was sustained unanimously by the Supreme Court 376 00:18:54,698 --> 00:18:58,209 and I don't know why people won't accept it. 377 00:18:58,209 --> 00:19:01,653 - It's very hard to explain to you 378 00:19:01,653 --> 00:19:04,653 what was it like to suffer with pain 379 00:19:06,511 --> 00:19:11,410 running up and down my spine, all night, all day. 380 00:19:11,410 --> 00:19:14,910 Wondering what's going to take place next. 381 00:19:15,947 --> 00:19:18,368 - [Tim] He then moved through the prison system, 382 00:19:18,368 --> 00:19:20,770 located at different facilities, Marion Correctional, 383 00:19:20,770 --> 00:19:22,389 I believe was one of them. 384 00:19:22,389 --> 00:19:24,073 He ended up at Tomoka Correctional 385 00:19:24,073 --> 00:19:25,193 in Daytona Beach, Florida, 386 00:19:25,193 --> 00:19:27,834 which is like a medium-security type prison, 387 00:19:27,834 --> 00:19:30,572 which is where he earned his GED, 388 00:19:30,572 --> 00:19:34,072 he was very active in the prison ministry. 389 00:19:35,267 --> 00:19:37,477 - [Peter] And over the years, once in a while, 390 00:19:37,477 --> 00:19:39,612 somebody would mention the case, there'd be an anniversary, 391 00:19:39,612 --> 00:19:41,459 there'd be a little story. 392 00:19:41,459 --> 00:19:43,381 There was nothing going on. 393 00:19:43,381 --> 00:19:45,964 (wind howling) 394 00:19:47,063 --> 00:19:50,480 - I just don't know what to say about it. 395 00:19:52,968 --> 00:19:57,135 But I'm still hoping, someday, that I will be free. 396 00:19:59,713 --> 00:20:04,303 And God enables me to go and start a new life. 397 00:20:04,303 --> 00:20:07,220 - And it was in, I think it was '88 398 00:20:11,251 --> 00:20:13,653 - [Announcer] Tampa, St. Petersburg. 399 00:20:13,653 --> 00:20:16,459 This is Pulse 13: Night Beat, 400 00:20:16,459 --> 00:20:20,209 Tampa Bay's most-watched night-time newscast. 401 00:20:22,167 --> 00:20:23,865 - More than 20 years ago, 402 00:20:23,865 --> 00:20:26,506 a black man, James Joseph Richardson, 403 00:20:26,506 --> 00:20:28,585 was convicted of poisoning to death 404 00:20:28,585 --> 00:20:31,171 his seven children in Arcadia. 405 00:20:31,171 --> 00:20:33,148 His trial drew national attention, 406 00:20:33,148 --> 00:20:35,172 many people claiming he was railroaded 407 00:20:35,172 --> 00:20:36,564 into that death sentence. 408 00:20:36,564 --> 00:20:38,191 There is now new evidence 409 00:20:38,191 --> 00:20:41,945 that may show James Richardson is innocent. 410 00:20:41,945 --> 00:20:43,559 - [Newscaster] During the 1968 trial, 411 00:20:43,559 --> 00:20:46,391 prosecutors said Richardson gave a powerful insecticide 412 00:20:46,391 --> 00:20:50,233 to his six girls and one boy in order to collect insurance. 413 00:20:50,233 --> 00:20:52,521 But attorneys now say the original prosecutor knew 414 00:20:52,521 --> 00:20:54,641 the children were never insured 415 00:20:54,641 --> 00:20:56,158 and that a former babysitter, 416 00:20:56,158 --> 00:20:58,089 now confined to this nursing home, 417 00:20:58,089 --> 00:21:01,422 has confessed to poisoning the children. 418 00:21:02,618 --> 00:21:04,484 - Betsy Rees, the next door neighbor, 419 00:21:04,484 --> 00:21:06,123 who I believe probably was the one 420 00:21:06,123 --> 00:21:08,415 who put the poison in there, 421 00:21:08,415 --> 00:21:11,515 but she's now in a nursing home, 422 00:21:11,515 --> 00:21:14,734 early signs of dementia, Alzheimer's, 423 00:21:14,734 --> 00:21:17,523 but this young lady says, "I remember her 424 00:21:17,523 --> 00:21:19,003 "because of that case." 425 00:21:19,003 --> 00:21:22,753 And now she sits there in the chair, rocking, 426 00:21:24,128 --> 00:21:27,711 "I killed those kids, I killed those kids." 427 00:21:30,332 --> 00:21:31,165 - And I will ask her, 428 00:21:31,165 --> 00:21:33,889 I say "Betsy, did you kill those children?" 429 00:21:33,889 --> 00:21:35,670 and she say, "Yeah, I did it." 430 00:21:35,670 --> 00:21:37,853 and I said, "Why?" 431 00:21:37,853 --> 00:21:39,256 and then she would bust out into tears 432 00:21:39,256 --> 00:21:40,619 and she would start crying. 433 00:21:40,619 --> 00:21:42,483 - [Interviewer] How do you know that she knew 434 00:21:42,483 --> 00:21:43,792 what you were talking about? 435 00:21:43,792 --> 00:21:46,280 - A person like that wasn't incompetent, 436 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,558 so I felt like she knew what she was saying. 437 00:21:48,558 --> 00:21:49,987 - Now that was it, I was like amazed. 438 00:21:49,987 --> 00:21:53,404 I got back, did all the research I could. 439 00:21:54,946 --> 00:21:57,561 The hook of the story was the lady making that statement, 440 00:21:57,561 --> 00:21:59,799 it gives you an excuse, a lead, 441 00:21:59,799 --> 00:22:01,699 to go in and do a recap of the story. 442 00:22:01,699 --> 00:22:03,638 Just a recap of what happened. 443 00:22:03,638 --> 00:22:05,248 It is a very interesting story 444 00:22:05,248 --> 00:22:07,066 whether the man's guilty or not, 445 00:22:07,066 --> 00:22:11,367 especially if you can find out, why did he do it? 446 00:22:11,367 --> 00:22:13,359 We published a huge story in 447 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,276 the Miami Herald's Tropic Magazine. 448 00:22:17,685 --> 00:22:19,856 The title was Poisoned Justice, 449 00:22:19,856 --> 00:22:22,200 which I've always thought was a perfect title for this. 450 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:23,921 Poisoned Justice. 451 00:22:23,921 --> 00:22:27,114 - I knew about this having read the Tropic article 452 00:22:27,114 --> 00:22:31,503 and I think there were a great number of folks, 453 00:22:31,503 --> 00:22:33,263 probably outside of Arcadia, 454 00:22:33,263 --> 00:22:34,738 who once they read the article kind of 455 00:22:34,738 --> 00:22:38,190 realized this man probably got a raw deal. 456 00:22:38,190 --> 00:22:41,694 - We covered that thing well over a year or so. 457 00:22:41,694 --> 00:22:42,836 It floated around out there 458 00:22:42,836 --> 00:22:45,605 and no matter how much evidence 459 00:22:45,605 --> 00:22:47,054 we could drum up to show 460 00:22:47,054 --> 00:22:49,432 that this was what was going on, 461 00:22:49,432 --> 00:22:52,349 the Arcadia syndrome still kept on. 462 00:22:56,193 --> 00:22:57,026 - This is an election year, 463 00:22:57,026 --> 00:22:59,668 and I don't want to get involved. 464 00:22:59,668 --> 00:23:01,751 (static) 465 00:23:10,884 --> 00:23:12,374 - [Newscaster] James Joseph Richardson 466 00:23:12,374 --> 00:23:14,177 has spent these last 21 years 467 00:23:14,177 --> 00:23:17,212 locked up for killing his own kids, 468 00:23:17,212 --> 00:23:19,289 but now his lawyers say there is information 469 00:23:19,289 --> 00:23:21,728 newly available to them. 470 00:23:21,728 --> 00:23:25,547 (gentle instrumental music) 471 00:23:25,547 --> 00:23:27,904 - [Tim] The Assistant State Attorney Reg Treadwell, 472 00:23:27,904 --> 00:23:30,565 who was an assistant to Frank Schaub, 473 00:23:30,565 --> 00:23:32,525 had some evidence that was, 474 00:23:32,525 --> 00:23:34,728 it was withheld from the defense. 475 00:23:34,728 --> 00:23:38,811 - He had em in a big box in a drawer in his desk. 476 00:23:39,983 --> 00:23:41,108 - [Tim] I believe he was getting ready 477 00:23:41,108 --> 00:23:42,055 to throw the evidence out 478 00:23:42,055 --> 00:23:45,468 and his secretary knew what that box contained 479 00:23:45,468 --> 00:23:49,948 and she gave a key to her boyfriend, I believe, at the time. 480 00:23:49,948 --> 00:23:51,241 - Remus Griffin. 481 00:23:51,241 --> 00:23:52,463 He's from a wealthy family, 482 00:23:52,463 --> 00:23:54,461 so he didn't really have to work. 483 00:23:54,461 --> 00:23:56,895 He'd been in and out of jail on minor things, 484 00:23:56,895 --> 00:24:00,132 and had skills to be a thief, a burglar. 485 00:24:00,132 --> 00:24:03,382 He broke in there and grabbed that box, 486 00:24:04,849 --> 00:24:07,358 took it home and started looking through it. 487 00:24:07,358 --> 00:24:09,029 - To me, it would be no different 488 00:24:09,029 --> 00:24:12,272 than turning in a lost set of car keys, 489 00:24:12,272 --> 00:24:15,579 a lost wallet or helping someone change a flat tire 490 00:24:15,579 --> 00:24:17,460 or holding a door open for someone. 491 00:24:17,460 --> 00:24:20,710 It was just, to me, it was no big deal. 492 00:24:22,729 --> 00:24:23,586 - [Peter] These were depositions 493 00:24:23,586 --> 00:24:26,753 that they never showed the other side, 494 00:24:27,702 --> 00:24:30,435 notes from the grand jury proceedings, 495 00:24:30,435 --> 00:24:32,606 all kinds of different things. 496 00:24:32,606 --> 00:24:34,338 - [Tim] I believe it was passed around. 497 00:24:34,338 --> 00:24:38,458 Mark Lane, a lawyer and journalist, found out about it. 498 00:24:38,458 --> 00:24:42,055 - The file's amazing, it's the anatomy of the frame-up. 499 00:24:42,055 --> 00:24:46,222 It shows how Cline, Schaub, and Treadwell together 500 00:24:47,397 --> 00:24:49,970 manipulated the evidence and the facts 501 00:24:49,970 --> 00:24:51,876 to frame a man they knew to be innocent. 502 00:24:51,876 --> 00:24:54,629 - [Peter] Yeah, he wrote the book, Arcadia about the case. 503 00:24:54,629 --> 00:24:56,477 - [Tim] The story of the case 504 00:24:56,477 --> 00:24:58,240 and what happened in that time. 505 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,466 - [Peter] And he wanted to become Richardson's attorney. 506 00:25:00,466 --> 00:25:02,065 - It's a good thing to put a man 507 00:25:02,065 --> 00:25:05,078 in prison for murder, if he's guilty. 508 00:25:05,078 --> 00:25:07,914 In this case, sheriff Cline got the wrong man. 509 00:25:07,914 --> 00:25:10,123 (cheering and applauding) 510 00:25:10,123 --> 00:25:13,956 - But Ellis Reuben, from Miami, took the case. 511 00:25:16,154 --> 00:25:19,467 - Both of these gentlemen never met a camera 512 00:25:19,467 --> 00:25:21,746 or a microphone they didn't like. 513 00:25:21,746 --> 00:25:24,842 - Would you ever handle a case that wasn't high publicity? 514 00:25:24,842 --> 00:25:29,009 - Sandy, I handle about 200 cases at any one time. 515 00:25:29,932 --> 00:25:32,646 You only hear about three or four. 516 00:25:32,646 --> 00:25:34,682 - [Tim] Anyways, Lane eventually got the evidence 517 00:25:34,682 --> 00:25:36,765 to the governor's office. 518 00:25:39,271 --> 00:25:41,864 - [Peter] It wasn't long after that, 519 00:25:41,864 --> 00:25:46,031 the governor announced that he wanted to look into the case. 520 00:25:47,017 --> 00:25:49,017 - There were seven deaths and we can't forget that, 521 00:25:49,017 --> 00:25:53,438 seven little ones died and someone was found guilty. 522 00:25:53,438 --> 00:25:55,242 If there was a wrongdoing at that time, 523 00:25:55,242 --> 00:25:57,457 we would like to know about it. 524 00:25:57,457 --> 00:25:59,540 Justice ought to prevail. 525 00:26:02,339 --> 00:26:04,308 - [Tim] The governor, who was Bob Martinez at the time, 526 00:26:04,308 --> 00:26:06,596 appointed Janet Reno, who at that time 527 00:26:06,596 --> 00:26:09,476 was the Miami-Dade state's attorney. 528 00:26:09,476 --> 00:26:11,041 She was given that power to investigate 529 00:26:11,041 --> 00:26:12,592 and find out if he, in fact, 530 00:26:12,592 --> 00:26:16,307 was given a fair trial and the story behind it. 531 00:26:16,307 --> 00:26:20,109 - She was the special prosecuting attorney 532 00:26:20,109 --> 00:26:22,377 and so, she was able walk right into the Arcadia Courthouse 533 00:26:22,377 --> 00:26:24,318 and say, give me everything on Richardson 534 00:26:24,318 --> 00:26:27,459 they could not hold anything back. 535 00:26:27,459 --> 00:26:29,366 - As a prosecutor in Dade County, 536 00:26:29,366 --> 00:26:32,366 I can be sure of guilt to the extent 537 00:26:33,587 --> 00:26:34,709 that a human being can be. 538 00:26:34,709 --> 00:26:35,968 I can make sure that it was not 539 00:26:35,968 --> 00:26:38,916 discriminatorily applied in any way. 540 00:26:38,916 --> 00:26:41,361 I can try to do everything I could to make sure 541 00:26:41,361 --> 00:26:44,406 that due process was fully adhered to 542 00:26:44,406 --> 00:26:46,961 and that there are things that my government does 543 00:26:46,961 --> 00:26:49,171 that I sometimes do not agree with. 544 00:26:49,171 --> 00:26:51,320 - [Tim] And her assistant Don Horn. 545 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,237 - I guess I became the lead grunt worker on it, 546 00:26:56,915 --> 00:27:01,349 so trips back and forth to Arcadia to speak with witnesses, 547 00:27:01,349 --> 00:27:05,524 to meet witnesses, to find other evidence. 548 00:27:05,524 --> 00:27:09,535 - And investigating, following the sheriff's investigation, 549 00:27:09,535 --> 00:27:12,217 they went through and the witnesses they could interview, 550 00:27:12,217 --> 00:27:15,846 come to find out and believe that the charges were false, 551 00:27:15,846 --> 00:27:17,886 that they were the jailhouse confession 552 00:27:17,886 --> 00:27:19,825 that James is accused of confessing 553 00:27:19,825 --> 00:27:21,303 to several inmates in jail 554 00:27:21,303 --> 00:27:23,614 that he had killed his kids. 555 00:27:23,614 --> 00:27:26,682 Those people were shown to have been prompted 556 00:27:26,682 --> 00:27:27,603 by the sheriff. 557 00:27:27,603 --> 00:27:30,143 - There was sufficient information in there 558 00:27:30,143 --> 00:27:33,849 that said to us, yes, this is disconcerting, 559 00:27:33,849 --> 00:27:36,835 yes, it's apparent to us in what we've reviewed 560 00:27:36,835 --> 00:27:38,746 that he did not get a fair trial, 561 00:27:38,746 --> 00:27:41,547 in large part because of what the state did and yes, 562 00:27:41,547 --> 00:27:46,149 we think this is sufficient to get this before the court. 563 00:27:46,149 --> 00:27:49,566 - [Tim] So they had a hearing in Arcadia. 564 00:27:54,087 --> 00:27:55,011 - [Reporter] Mr. Schaub, why did you decide 565 00:27:55,011 --> 00:27:56,566 to prosecute this case? 566 00:27:56,566 --> 00:27:57,399 - [Frank] When? 567 00:27:57,399 --> 00:27:58,232 - [Reporter] Why? 568 00:27:58,232 --> 00:27:59,943 - Because the man is obviously guilty. 569 00:27:59,943 --> 00:28:04,460 - [Peter] It just, it was a gripping situation, 570 00:28:04,460 --> 00:28:07,054 it was torn between the old days of Arcadia 571 00:28:07,054 --> 00:28:09,038 and the new days that were coming in. 572 00:28:09,038 --> 00:28:10,538 - This case will illustrate 573 00:28:10,538 --> 00:28:13,371 what racism was in Florida in 1967 574 00:28:14,866 --> 00:28:18,788 and now we're going to see what it is in 1989. 575 00:28:18,788 --> 00:28:21,274 - [Don] We went up there and you had Frank Schaub, 576 00:28:21,274 --> 00:28:24,535 Treadwell, Ellis Reuben, Mark Lane, Janet Reno, myself. 577 00:28:24,535 --> 00:28:26,523 - [Newscaster] Sympathies in the packed courtroom. 578 00:28:26,523 --> 00:28:27,913 Famed defense attorney, author, 579 00:28:27,913 --> 00:28:29,365 and Kennedy assassination prober, 580 00:28:29,365 --> 00:28:32,793 Mark Lane minced no words in condemning the prosecution 581 00:28:32,793 --> 00:28:35,054 in Richardson's 1968 murder trial. 582 00:28:35,054 --> 00:28:36,912 - That record presented to the jury 583 00:28:36,912 --> 00:28:40,066 and subsequently to the highest court of the state 584 00:28:40,066 --> 00:28:43,620 was skewered at the outset by the prosecutors 585 00:28:43,620 --> 00:28:45,750 and by those who work for them, 586 00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:48,679 including the sheriff of this county. 587 00:28:48,679 --> 00:28:52,391 - And so, Mr. Richardson's there, his wife's there, 588 00:28:52,391 --> 00:28:53,767 and we're just standing around waiting 589 00:28:53,767 --> 00:28:55,431 to see what the judge is going to do. 590 00:28:55,431 --> 00:28:58,764 - It was a very, very gripping situation 591 00:29:00,995 --> 00:29:01,828 at the end there, 592 00:29:01,828 --> 00:29:04,321 he granted Richardson his immediate freedom, 593 00:29:04,321 --> 00:29:06,088 let him walk right out of that courtroom. 594 00:29:06,088 --> 00:29:08,505 (applauding) 595 00:29:10,900 --> 00:29:13,310 And people were applauding. 596 00:29:13,310 --> 00:29:16,622 (crowd cheering) 597 00:29:16,622 --> 00:29:18,872 - [Woman] James Richardson. 598 00:29:20,874 --> 00:29:24,291 - I wanna thank you all for being with me 599 00:29:25,827 --> 00:29:29,327 and for feeling the need, feeling the love 600 00:29:30,216 --> 00:29:32,362 that we have shared towards one another. 601 00:29:32,362 --> 00:29:34,139 - Thank you, thank you. 602 00:29:34,139 --> 00:29:36,880 God bless every last one of you. 603 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,306 - [Peter] It's one of the biggest things 604 00:29:38,306 --> 00:29:40,952 that ever happened in Arcadia. 605 00:29:40,952 --> 00:29:42,495 He got in a car and left 606 00:29:42,495 --> 00:29:45,530 and didn't come back for many, many, many, many years. 607 00:29:45,530 --> 00:29:49,197 (gentle instrumental music) 608 00:29:55,018 --> 00:29:56,386 - Thank God, I'm free. 609 00:29:56,386 --> 00:29:59,002 I don't have to worry about that problem no more. 610 00:29:59,002 --> 00:30:00,978 It's all over. 611 00:30:00,978 --> 00:30:01,811 I'm so glad, yeah. 612 00:30:01,811 --> 00:30:05,311 (laughing and applauding) 613 00:30:06,958 --> 00:30:09,648 Yeah, man, I'm feeling good. 614 00:30:09,648 --> 00:30:12,317 - The greatest thing I ever did as a lawyer, 615 00:30:12,317 --> 00:30:13,828 was as a prosecutor, 616 00:30:13,828 --> 00:30:17,412 get somebody out of prison, Mr. Richardson. 617 00:30:17,412 --> 00:30:19,912 And so, that is, even 32 years 618 00:30:21,090 --> 00:30:22,560 I've been practicing now, 619 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,184 the most significant accomplishment 620 00:30:25,184 --> 00:30:28,760 I have ever made, as an attorney. 621 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:33,152 - Richardson released: "I feel fine.", he said. 622 00:30:33,152 --> 00:30:34,125 That is great. 623 00:30:34,125 --> 00:30:34,958 - [Newscaster] He looks better 624 00:30:34,958 --> 00:30:36,451 than we've ever seen him before, 625 00:30:36,451 --> 00:30:38,270 that's what a night of freedom will do. 626 00:30:38,270 --> 00:30:39,974 James Richardson told us this morning, 627 00:30:39,974 --> 00:30:42,699 he is thrilled now, to be a free man. 628 00:30:42,699 --> 00:30:45,582 - Well, at the time he was released, 629 00:30:45,582 --> 00:30:47,464 Mark Lane was his attorney. 630 00:30:47,464 --> 00:30:48,297 - [Newscaster] He spent this morning 631 00:30:48,297 --> 00:30:50,756 walking the beach at Daytona, feeling the sand, 632 00:30:50,756 --> 00:30:52,191 seeing sights and hearing sounds 633 00:30:52,191 --> 00:30:54,221 he hasn't heard in 21 years. 634 00:30:54,221 --> 00:30:56,367 - [Peter] I know that Mark Lane had him for a little while, 635 00:30:56,367 --> 00:30:58,955 they were gonna try to make him... 636 00:30:58,955 --> 00:31:00,069 what were they going to do, Charles? 637 00:31:00,069 --> 00:31:03,652 Make him shake people's hands in Las Vegas? 638 00:31:05,171 --> 00:31:06,129 Yeah. 639 00:31:06,129 --> 00:31:07,695 - [Newscaster] Ironically, Richardson has gone 640 00:31:07,695 --> 00:31:10,807 from life in prison to lifestyles of the rich and famous, 641 00:31:10,807 --> 00:31:12,706 staying with Mark Lane, one of his attorneys, 642 00:31:12,706 --> 00:31:15,460 in Lane's luxurious beachfront condo. 643 00:31:15,460 --> 00:31:17,676 - They took James to, I believe to New York, 644 00:31:17,676 --> 00:31:18,509 he went to Chicago. 645 00:31:18,509 --> 00:31:20,471 He was supposedly on the Oprah Winfrey Show 646 00:31:20,471 --> 00:31:22,554 back in the '80s. 647 00:31:22,554 --> 00:31:24,500 - I go to Chicago tonight or tomorrow? 648 00:31:24,500 --> 00:31:25,333 Tomorrow? 649 00:31:25,333 --> 00:31:27,583 Oh, wow, that will be good. 650 00:31:28,741 --> 00:31:30,906 And then where do we go from there? 651 00:31:30,906 --> 00:31:34,516 It was a little bit exciting for me. 652 00:31:34,516 --> 00:31:36,658 To be free again. 653 00:31:36,658 --> 00:31:40,784 And even though I will never forget the tragedy, 654 00:31:40,784 --> 00:31:43,701 the heartaches, the troubled times, 655 00:31:45,008 --> 00:31:48,258 but I still hope for a better tomorrow. 656 00:31:50,966 --> 00:31:53,527 - He was on Inside Edition. 657 00:31:53,527 --> 00:31:56,550 He went to, I believe New York, for Geraldo. 658 00:31:56,550 --> 00:31:58,744 - To hell and back is an expression 659 00:31:58,744 --> 00:32:01,647 that applies directly to our studio guest, 660 00:32:01,647 --> 00:32:03,719 an old friend James Richardson. 661 00:32:03,719 --> 00:32:05,302 How is life, James? 662 00:32:06,266 --> 00:32:07,457 How are you getting along? 663 00:32:07,457 --> 00:32:09,957 - Life is wonderful and sweet. 664 00:32:11,755 --> 00:32:13,718 - [Geraldo] What are doing these days? 665 00:32:13,718 --> 00:32:17,301 - Today, I sit back, look at the television 666 00:32:18,688 --> 00:32:21,771 and I entertain my wife, my new wife. 667 00:32:23,684 --> 00:32:25,897 We were married just a few weeks ago. 668 00:32:25,897 --> 00:32:26,730 - [Geraldo] Congratulations. 669 00:32:26,730 --> 00:32:28,937 - She is very wonderful to me and she's helping me. 670 00:32:28,937 --> 00:32:31,354 (applauding) 671 00:32:35,678 --> 00:32:37,832 - [Tim] And there was always a movie deal around the corner. 672 00:32:37,832 --> 00:32:39,767 It was always, we're working on it, James, 673 00:32:39,767 --> 00:32:42,203 we've got, we're in talks with Louis Gossett Jr. 674 00:32:42,203 --> 00:32:46,423 to play you and all this stuff and they fed him that line, 675 00:32:46,423 --> 00:32:48,756 I don't know how many times. 676 00:32:50,906 --> 00:32:53,075 - [James] They had keep me on the move, 677 00:32:53,075 --> 00:32:56,575 they kept me on the go, from town to town. 678 00:32:57,890 --> 00:33:00,702 - I don't believe he was paid. 679 00:33:00,702 --> 00:33:03,266 There's different views on that, but he wasn't, 680 00:33:03,266 --> 00:33:04,464 he didn't see any money. 681 00:33:04,464 --> 00:33:08,754 - [Peter] And nothing ever happened, no book, no movies. 682 00:33:08,754 --> 00:33:12,954 - Didn't have a house when I got out, they promised me 683 00:33:12,954 --> 00:33:16,604 that they were going to do so much and things. 684 00:33:16,604 --> 00:33:19,272 - When he got out of prison, he had nothing, 685 00:33:19,272 --> 00:33:21,673 he had zero, you know. 686 00:33:21,673 --> 00:33:25,006 Might of had two dollars in his canteen. 687 00:33:26,188 --> 00:33:29,548 - Everybody even under the best of circumstances 688 00:33:29,548 --> 00:33:31,127 with the most supportive family 689 00:33:31,127 --> 00:33:33,068 and even with some kind of compensation 690 00:33:33,068 --> 00:33:36,318 is gonna have difficulty reintegrating. 691 00:33:37,704 --> 00:33:39,074 All your loved ones and family, 692 00:33:39,074 --> 00:33:40,837 they've moved on with their lives, 693 00:33:40,837 --> 00:33:42,811 it's very hard to fit back in. 694 00:33:42,811 --> 00:33:46,797 You've lost so much, it's almost incalculable. 695 00:33:46,797 --> 00:33:49,442 - [James] They treated me like I wasn't nobody, 696 00:33:49,442 --> 00:33:51,859 giving me nothing to live on, 697 00:33:52,746 --> 00:33:56,884 they give me nothing to provide for myself. 698 00:33:56,884 --> 00:34:00,801 I was just out there, in the world, just alone. 699 00:34:03,247 --> 00:34:05,183 - And so, he left and went back to Jacksonville 700 00:34:05,183 --> 00:34:08,180 and that's when my dad would would go up 701 00:34:08,180 --> 00:34:09,760 and see him on a regular basis 702 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,318 and of course, he didn't have any money. 703 00:34:12,318 --> 00:34:14,512 - [Peter] Jim Edmonds, he's a very, very, very good man 704 00:34:14,512 --> 00:34:18,291 and he met James Richardson through the chaplain 705 00:34:18,291 --> 00:34:19,966 there at the prison. 706 00:34:19,966 --> 00:34:21,842 - After my father passed away, 707 00:34:21,842 --> 00:34:24,856 James asked me if we could help him, 708 00:34:24,856 --> 00:34:28,236 you know, with rent money, things like that. 709 00:34:28,236 --> 00:34:29,976 - [Peter] The Edman's family 710 00:34:29,976 --> 00:34:33,393 has provided refuge for James Richardson. 711 00:34:36,384 --> 00:34:41,112 - They help me with my rent, help me with the groceries, 712 00:34:41,112 --> 00:34:44,362 and they help buy me shoes and clothes. 713 00:34:45,871 --> 00:34:48,199 - And that's what goes on to this day. 714 00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:51,071 Without us, I don't know what he would have done, 715 00:34:51,071 --> 00:34:54,404 he would have been on public assistance, 716 00:34:55,282 --> 00:34:57,032 and that's not right. 717 00:34:58,289 --> 00:35:01,326 - When people leave jail, it is usually said 718 00:35:01,326 --> 00:35:04,381 that they have paid their debt to society, 719 00:35:04,381 --> 00:35:07,273 but in this case, how on earth can society 720 00:35:07,273 --> 00:35:10,072 pay its debt to James Richardson, 721 00:35:10,072 --> 00:35:12,965 for 20 years of anguish and pain? 722 00:35:12,965 --> 00:35:14,463 (applauding) 723 00:35:14,463 --> 00:35:17,571 - Yes, my question I would like to ask to James, 724 00:35:17,571 --> 00:35:20,045 obviously, the state spent a great deal of time 725 00:35:20,045 --> 00:35:22,078 and monies to keep you in prison, 726 00:35:22,078 --> 00:35:23,249 and feed you and all that sort of stuff, 727 00:35:23,249 --> 00:35:25,459 which is not very happy being in prison, 728 00:35:25,459 --> 00:35:27,971 basically, is there any type of compensation 729 00:35:27,971 --> 00:35:30,565 or restitution that you are receiving? 730 00:35:30,565 --> 00:35:32,198 - Is there any compensation, James? 731 00:35:32,198 --> 00:35:34,048 Do you have a lawsuit, for instance? 732 00:35:34,048 --> 00:35:35,306 - Yes, I have a lawsuit. 733 00:35:35,306 --> 00:35:36,520 - [Geraldo] And how is that going? 734 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,579 Have you filed it? 735 00:35:38,579 --> 00:35:41,484 - We are still working on that case, 736 00:35:41,484 --> 00:35:44,151 suing the state for $35 million. 737 00:35:45,322 --> 00:35:48,250 - [Tim] Lane had different attempts to get him 738 00:35:48,250 --> 00:35:50,411 compensation through lawsuits against the state of Florida 739 00:35:50,411 --> 00:35:53,637 and against the prosecutor and I believe, 740 00:35:53,637 --> 00:35:56,486 none of that ever came to any fruition. 741 00:35:56,486 --> 00:35:59,986 (soft instrumental music) 742 00:36:07,226 --> 00:36:09,099 The Victims of Wrongful Incarceration Act 743 00:36:09,099 --> 00:36:11,695 is what they came up with. 744 00:36:11,695 --> 00:36:13,328 And James was the first person to apply 745 00:36:13,328 --> 00:36:15,753 under that act in the state of Florida. 746 00:36:15,753 --> 00:36:18,052 - So one of the requirements of the statute 747 00:36:18,052 --> 00:36:21,396 that got passed is that you've got to have clean hands, 748 00:36:21,396 --> 00:36:24,300 so you still could not have committed any other felonies, 749 00:36:24,300 --> 00:36:25,491 so it's not just, I didn't do this, 750 00:36:25,491 --> 00:36:27,394 but do you clean hands, okay? 751 00:36:27,394 --> 00:36:30,232 And he did, no other charges, whatever, 752 00:36:30,232 --> 00:36:34,399 but you have to prove that the person is actually innocent. 753 00:36:38,613 --> 00:36:41,978 - So it's on the person who is wrongfully incarcerated 754 00:36:41,978 --> 00:36:43,207 to prove that they were innocent. 755 00:36:43,207 --> 00:36:44,977 The state doesn't have to do anything, 756 00:36:44,977 --> 00:36:47,060 but sit there and say no. 757 00:36:49,564 --> 00:36:52,905 - The statute requires DNA evidence. 758 00:36:52,905 --> 00:36:55,905 Mr. Richardson was convicted in 1968 759 00:36:57,094 --> 00:37:00,591 and so that science, that forensic evidence, 760 00:37:00,591 --> 00:37:04,418 was not in, in wide use at the time. 761 00:37:04,418 --> 00:37:06,716 - [Don] I can't prove he's innocent 762 00:37:06,716 --> 00:37:10,785 because you've got missing evidence, dead witnesses. 763 00:37:10,785 --> 00:37:14,952 - Our findings are that he was probably wrongfully accused. 764 00:37:16,457 --> 00:37:19,323 We will never be able to prove him innocent beyond 765 00:37:19,323 --> 00:37:21,552 and to the exclusion of reasonable doubt, 766 00:37:21,552 --> 00:37:25,438 because of the totally inadequate investigation. 767 00:37:25,438 --> 00:37:27,446 - I just sometimes think that the state, 768 00:37:27,446 --> 00:37:29,521 the state sees these individuals 769 00:37:29,521 --> 00:37:32,717 that have been convicted and imprisoned, 770 00:37:32,717 --> 00:37:34,360 they don't look at them as human, 771 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:35,989 even when they've done their time, 772 00:37:35,989 --> 00:37:38,232 they've served their sentences, they've served their parole. 773 00:37:38,232 --> 00:37:41,920 You still have to apply to the governor 774 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,337 to get your civil rights reinstated, 775 00:37:44,337 --> 00:37:46,597 your right to vote, it's not automatic, 776 00:37:46,597 --> 00:37:49,227 you have to go through a government bureaucracy 777 00:37:49,227 --> 00:37:52,225 for them to give you the right to vote back. 778 00:37:52,225 --> 00:37:54,765 Why isn't that automatic? 779 00:37:54,765 --> 00:37:57,397 You've paid your debt to society, 780 00:37:57,397 --> 00:38:00,564 but society continues to make you pay. 781 00:38:04,126 --> 00:38:06,348 That's not right. 782 00:38:06,348 --> 00:38:07,181 (engine running) 783 00:38:11,210 --> 00:38:14,877 (gentle instrumental music) 784 00:38:17,653 --> 00:38:21,293 - It was only because he could not produce DNA evidence 785 00:38:21,293 --> 00:38:23,789 and he did not have a trial, 786 00:38:23,789 --> 00:38:27,593 a new trial, that he was ineligible. 787 00:38:27,593 --> 00:38:32,586 - So my bill says that when those elements are present, 788 00:38:32,586 --> 00:38:36,554 then, and especially if you were convicted prior to 1980, 789 00:38:36,554 --> 00:38:40,401 then you would qualify to apply for compensation 790 00:38:40,401 --> 00:38:43,942 under Florida's Wrongful Incarceration Statute. 791 00:38:43,942 --> 00:38:45,901 - And that's how they tailored it, 792 00:38:45,901 --> 00:38:48,007 in order for him to be compensated. 793 00:38:48,007 --> 00:38:51,674 (gentle instrumental music) 794 00:38:58,350 --> 00:39:02,918 I want him to have, you know, a decent home to live in, 795 00:39:02,918 --> 00:39:06,116 a decent car to drive and where he can go to the store 796 00:39:06,116 --> 00:39:08,416 and buy the groceries he wants 797 00:39:08,416 --> 00:39:11,041 and basically to live out whatever time he's got left 798 00:39:11,041 --> 00:39:13,388 in some degree of comfort. 799 00:39:13,388 --> 00:39:17,555 - It will be the final chapter in putting it behind him, 800 00:39:19,193 --> 00:39:21,110 at the community level. 801 00:39:22,114 --> 00:39:26,281 Finally someone recognizing the injustice that occurred. 802 00:39:28,134 --> 00:39:32,301 It will be the demarcation of past moving forward. 803 00:39:33,841 --> 00:39:34,771 - This can be done. 804 00:39:34,771 --> 00:39:36,899 It may not be done tomorrow, 805 00:39:36,899 --> 00:39:40,066 but we eventually will reach the goal, 806 00:39:40,971 --> 00:39:43,899 and that is to get him compensated. 807 00:39:43,899 --> 00:39:46,474 - This is an opportunity to right 808 00:39:46,474 --> 00:39:50,633 a racial injustice that occurred in the state of Florida 809 00:39:50,633 --> 00:39:54,800 and this gives Florida an opportunity to make amends, 810 00:39:56,201 --> 00:39:57,265 if you will. 811 00:39:57,265 --> 00:40:00,848 And I think that this is the time to do it. 812 00:40:03,049 --> 00:40:04,381 - [Man] Jackson Memorial Hospital 813 00:40:04,381 --> 00:40:06,684 and the work that they get done 814 00:40:06,684 --> 00:40:07,517 and the work that they-- 815 00:40:07,517 --> 00:40:08,350 (indistinct chatter) 816 00:40:10,535 --> 00:40:13,800 There are three central, there are three hospitals 817 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,300 in the Jackson, in Miami-Dade. 818 00:40:17,819 --> 00:40:19,539 - He's here with us in the West Gallery, 819 00:40:19,539 --> 00:40:21,274 he is a study in kindness, 820 00:40:21,274 --> 00:40:24,298 in perseverance and in humility. 821 00:40:24,298 --> 00:40:26,378 We are proud to introduce to this chamber, 822 00:40:26,378 --> 00:40:28,133 Mr. James Joseph Richardson. 823 00:40:28,133 --> 00:40:28,966 - [Tim] I don't think everybody voted, 824 00:40:28,966 --> 00:40:33,805 (applauding) but there was no opposition. 825 00:40:33,805 --> 00:40:37,122 - After 21 years in prison, that he didn't deserve, 826 00:40:37,122 --> 00:40:39,559 we've come together as a legislature to recognize 827 00:40:39,559 --> 00:40:41,138 that something very bad happened 828 00:40:41,138 --> 00:40:42,701 in the history of the state of Florida 829 00:40:42,701 --> 00:40:44,945 and we're very proud to help him move on 830 00:40:44,945 --> 00:40:46,410 and have Florida turn the corner 831 00:40:46,410 --> 00:40:47,988 on that dark page in history. 832 00:40:47,988 --> 00:40:49,290 (applauding) 833 00:40:49,290 --> 00:40:52,022 - The state basically gave him an apology, 834 00:40:52,022 --> 00:40:54,581 from the floor of the House and the floor of the Senate. 835 00:40:54,581 --> 00:40:56,491 - You honor us with your presence, 836 00:40:56,491 --> 00:40:57,759 but the pain and the suffering 837 00:40:57,759 --> 00:41:00,706 that you must've gone through is unimaginable. 838 00:41:00,706 --> 00:41:01,932 But we're happy to be here today 839 00:41:01,932 --> 00:41:03,907 at the end of our session having brought 840 00:41:03,907 --> 00:41:06,373 just a little bit of justice back to you, sir. 841 00:41:06,373 --> 00:41:07,902 We welcome you back to Florida, 842 00:41:07,902 --> 00:41:09,890 we thank you for being here today. 843 00:41:09,890 --> 00:41:14,057 - I felt very proud and I felt a little warmness in me. 844 00:41:19,610 --> 00:41:23,178 And I was surprised to hear them say, 845 00:41:23,178 --> 00:41:27,261 we gonna help this man because he was mistreated. 846 00:41:29,605 --> 00:41:31,854 - I think it'll be, for him, 847 00:41:31,854 --> 00:41:35,260 it'll be a lot of weight off his shoulders, 848 00:41:35,260 --> 00:41:39,994 'cause you can tell he still is stressed, to this day. 849 00:41:39,994 --> 00:41:43,353 - [Peter] He's got money to live off of. 850 00:41:43,353 --> 00:41:48,270 He's got something to have a dignified rest of his life. 851 00:41:48,270 --> 00:41:51,437 - Got a chance to maybe get me a home. 852 00:41:54,404 --> 00:41:55,987 I want me a church. 853 00:41:57,161 --> 00:42:00,828 (gentle instrumental music) 854 00:42:11,375 --> 00:42:15,572 - This is not a guarantee of compensation 855 00:42:15,572 --> 00:42:19,841 for Mr. Richardson, it is an opportunity for him 856 00:42:19,841 --> 00:42:22,674 to apply and then once he applies, 857 00:42:23,660 --> 00:42:26,857 then he would be eligible for $50 thousand 858 00:42:26,857 --> 00:42:31,790 for every one of the 21 years that he was in prison. 859 00:42:31,790 --> 00:42:36,441 - I don't feel like it's going to be enough anyway. 860 00:42:36,441 --> 00:42:40,025 I've got to pay my lawyer, I've got to pay my doctor bills, 861 00:42:40,025 --> 00:42:43,442 I owe $27 thousand in my medical, doctors 862 00:42:44,597 --> 00:42:46,872 and things like that. 863 00:42:46,872 --> 00:42:50,039 And I'm having a painful feeling about 864 00:42:51,159 --> 00:42:53,447 how I'm gonna pay all of these people 865 00:42:53,447 --> 00:42:55,614 and what I will have left. 866 00:42:57,007 --> 00:43:01,007 I know there ain't enough money to buy a church. 867 00:43:01,941 --> 00:43:04,485 - That money has got to last him the rest of his life, 868 00:43:04,485 --> 00:43:07,543 because he has to sign a release saying, 869 00:43:07,543 --> 00:43:09,386 that neither you nor your wife 870 00:43:09,386 --> 00:43:13,351 nor your relative, anybody, can ever sue the state 871 00:43:13,351 --> 00:43:16,333 or ask for compensation on this matter again. 872 00:43:16,333 --> 00:43:18,522 Period, this is it. 873 00:43:18,522 --> 00:43:22,073 - This money is not for me to say, 874 00:43:22,073 --> 00:43:25,470 that it will make me feel happy 875 00:43:25,470 --> 00:43:26,753 because there ain't nothing in the world 876 00:43:26,753 --> 00:43:29,047 that can make me feel happy, 877 00:43:29,047 --> 00:43:31,701 unless they can give me back what I have lost. 878 00:43:31,701 --> 00:43:35,368 (gentle instrumental music) 879 00:43:37,866 --> 00:43:40,200 - Anyone that read Janet Reno's report 880 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,716 would just be shocked at how this happened 881 00:43:42,716 --> 00:43:45,724 and wonder, how come some of these people 882 00:43:45,724 --> 00:43:47,909 that did this, that hid this evidence 883 00:43:47,909 --> 00:43:50,909 and did all this stuff, why weren't they arrested? 884 00:43:50,909 --> 00:43:52,944 Why weren't they brought to justice? 885 00:43:52,944 --> 00:43:57,111 How come they didn't arrest Frank Schaub or Frank Cline? 886 00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:04,087 - Richard Bernard says that you framed James Richardson. 887 00:44:05,496 --> 00:44:07,928 - So do the attorneys. 888 00:44:07,928 --> 00:44:09,098 Of course, the facts don't bear that out, do they? 889 00:44:09,098 --> 00:44:12,186 - But the attorneys were not the chief of police of Arcadia. 890 00:44:12,186 --> 00:44:13,391 - No. 891 00:44:13,391 --> 00:44:14,932 - Did you frame him? - No. 892 00:44:14,932 --> 00:44:17,939 - It was a horrible travesty and again, 893 00:44:17,939 --> 00:44:22,413 I know I've said this before, it pains me more, 894 00:44:22,413 --> 00:44:25,580 because it was committed in large part 895 00:44:26,552 --> 00:44:29,719 by the prosecution and the prosecutor. 896 00:44:31,052 --> 00:44:32,592 - What is it that really clinched this case? 897 00:44:32,592 --> 00:44:34,600 You said it was a strong case. 898 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,875 - That he had motive, that he had opportunity 899 00:44:37,875 --> 00:44:41,434 and most of all we prove pretty conclusively 900 00:44:41,434 --> 00:44:43,057 that each of these children had been poisoned 901 00:44:43,057 --> 00:44:46,190 by Parathion that had been seeded in their food. 902 00:44:46,190 --> 00:44:47,414 - But anybody could've done that. 903 00:44:47,414 --> 00:44:48,247 I mean, just about about anybody-- 904 00:44:48,247 --> 00:44:51,413 - No, not nobody except him. 905 00:44:51,413 --> 00:44:54,609 He was the one that was there. 906 00:44:54,609 --> 00:44:57,411 - [Peter] You get public servants that steal money, 907 00:44:57,411 --> 00:45:00,487 but public servants that steal people's lives 908 00:45:00,487 --> 00:45:02,654 and their time, like that. 909 00:45:04,786 --> 00:45:07,095 It's too bad that they weren't, 910 00:45:07,095 --> 00:45:09,767 that they didn't have to spend the time in jail, 911 00:45:09,767 --> 00:45:11,767 as far as I'm concerned. 912 00:45:13,247 --> 00:45:17,384 - Well, I know legally for us as prosecutors, 913 00:45:17,384 --> 00:45:21,551 we can make mistakes, the law says we get immunity. 914 00:45:23,689 --> 00:45:26,409 - You can't bring a federal civil rights criminal case, 915 00:45:26,409 --> 00:45:27,993 ordinarily, against people because 916 00:45:27,993 --> 00:45:31,654 there's a five-year statute of limitations. 917 00:45:31,654 --> 00:45:34,507 The statute of limitations have run in most states 918 00:45:34,507 --> 00:45:38,240 for the criminal conduct that convicted an innocent 919 00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:41,504 when we find out about it 10, 20, 30 years later, right. 920 00:45:41,504 --> 00:45:45,671 And that's many of our cases, 10, 20, 30 years later. 921 00:45:47,827 --> 00:45:50,538 - I don't even know how you prove 922 00:45:50,538 --> 00:45:54,038 that someone acted with intentional malice 923 00:45:55,845 --> 00:45:58,519 and I'm viewing this as, I know you didn't do it, 924 00:45:58,519 --> 00:46:01,102 but I'm going after you anyway. 925 00:46:02,428 --> 00:46:05,382 - The state is the one that needs to say, 926 00:46:05,382 --> 00:46:08,731 the person we put in that position of power was wrong 927 00:46:08,731 --> 00:46:12,898 and yet, the state wouldn't even want to acknowledge that. 928 00:46:14,432 --> 00:46:16,108 - Should Mr. Schaub have been disbarred? 929 00:46:16,108 --> 00:46:17,828 I don't know. 930 00:46:17,828 --> 00:46:21,995 I don't know that there was intentional knowing conduct, 931 00:46:24,437 --> 00:46:29,384 it's clear that the decision to go forward on this case, 932 00:46:29,384 --> 00:46:31,227 in hindsight, with the information 933 00:46:31,227 --> 00:46:34,697 that they had in their file 21 years later, was clear. 934 00:46:34,697 --> 00:46:37,186 - It was a tragic time, the children were dying, 935 00:46:37,186 --> 00:46:38,960 one right after another, 936 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,277 and we didn't know what the reason was. 937 00:46:42,277 --> 00:46:44,300 He gave us no information that could help us 938 00:46:44,300 --> 00:46:47,758 in any way determine what it was 939 00:46:47,758 --> 00:46:51,091 and he seemed to be conveniently absent. 940 00:46:53,238 --> 00:46:54,987 - So, I think an apology from the people 941 00:46:54,987 --> 00:46:57,820 who did this would have been nice. 942 00:47:01,493 --> 00:47:03,554 That can't happen because they're gone. 943 00:47:03,554 --> 00:47:06,471 (soft piano music) 944 00:47:20,484 --> 00:47:21,931 - Was it intentional we're gonna go 945 00:47:21,931 --> 00:47:23,715 and we're gonna get James Joseph Richardson 946 00:47:23,715 --> 00:47:24,690 if it's the last thing we do? 947 00:47:24,690 --> 00:47:27,709 I think it's a situation where early on, 948 00:47:27,709 --> 00:47:30,242 Sheriff Cline got put in a position 949 00:47:30,242 --> 00:47:32,541 where you got all this media attention, 950 00:47:32,541 --> 00:47:35,776 everybody is upset, you've got seven dead children. 951 00:47:35,776 --> 00:47:39,766 We gotta do something and somebody's got to be arrested. 952 00:47:39,766 --> 00:47:41,523 - [Peter] Sometimes I think that winning 953 00:47:41,523 --> 00:47:44,440 becomes more important than justice 954 00:47:47,065 --> 00:47:51,065 and cognitively people can get into that mindset 955 00:47:52,181 --> 00:47:54,966 and it's very unfortunate. 956 00:47:54,966 --> 00:47:56,734 - [Interviewer] Were you framed, James? 957 00:47:56,734 --> 00:47:59,970 - [James] Yes, I was and I think 958 00:47:59,970 --> 00:48:03,757 that sheriff did that for a reputation. 959 00:48:03,757 --> 00:48:06,257 He did it to build himself up. 960 00:48:07,619 --> 00:48:12,019 - I wish they had done something different in 1967 961 00:48:12,019 --> 00:48:14,521 and James Richardson would have gone through life 962 00:48:14,521 --> 00:48:17,949 as just an anonymous guy like the rest of us. 963 00:48:17,949 --> 00:48:20,782 Unfortunately, that didn't happen. 964 00:48:23,100 --> 00:48:25,742 - [Peter] The South is a beautiful, beautiful place, 965 00:48:25,742 --> 00:48:28,827 it's a very interesting part of the United States. 966 00:48:28,827 --> 00:48:30,910 But there's a lot of colorful characters 967 00:48:30,910 --> 00:48:32,993 and a lot of evil around. 968 00:48:36,394 --> 00:48:39,058 I don't know that something like this could not happen again 969 00:48:39,058 --> 00:48:41,413 but this sort of sets a precedent 970 00:48:41,413 --> 00:48:44,080 for what will happen if it does. 971 00:48:45,856 --> 00:48:47,240 - It's always amazed me, 972 00:48:47,240 --> 00:48:52,160 every time we go through the story of James's case, 973 00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:56,327 that I'm just amazed at how a group of human beings 974 00:48:58,528 --> 00:49:02,123 can do that to another human being, 975 00:49:02,123 --> 00:49:06,206 to have such an impact on almost his entire life. 976 00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:12,867 I can't fathom that. 977 00:49:14,721 --> 00:49:16,852 - And so yeah, we've got to come to grips that, 978 00:49:16,852 --> 00:49:20,102 yeah, there was a wrongful prosecution, 979 00:49:21,897 --> 00:49:24,480 wrongful, probably, conviction, 980 00:49:26,474 --> 00:49:29,768 and when I see that as a prosecutor 981 00:49:29,768 --> 00:49:34,102 and I hope when the other 330 odd prosecutors 982 00:49:34,102 --> 00:49:36,915 who work in this office see stuff like that, 983 00:49:36,915 --> 00:49:40,750 it reminds them of the importance of our oath 984 00:49:40,750 --> 00:49:42,892 and our duties and responsibilities 985 00:49:42,892 --> 00:49:46,566 to make sure that we are following the evidence 986 00:49:46,566 --> 00:49:50,897 wherever it leads and that we're making the right decision, 987 00:49:50,897 --> 00:49:53,673 again, for the right reason. 988 00:49:53,673 --> 00:49:57,756 Because, again, we have the power to destroy people's lives. 989 00:49:57,756 --> 00:50:00,673 (soft piano music) 990 00:50:05,803 --> 00:50:09,834 - Racism takes a long, long time to go away, 991 00:50:09,834 --> 00:50:13,984 it really does, a long, long time to go away. 992 00:50:13,984 --> 00:50:16,292 The only thing that makes it go away is generations 993 00:50:16,292 --> 00:50:19,852 and generations and generations, you know. 994 00:50:19,852 --> 00:50:22,552 And the number of people that were there 995 00:50:22,552 --> 00:50:25,148 on that day in 1967, of course, have died off, 996 00:50:25,148 --> 00:50:28,404 quite a bit, that remember that big, big day 997 00:50:28,404 --> 00:50:30,487 and all those ambulances, 998 00:50:32,411 --> 00:50:34,545 that horrible thing that all these kids died, 999 00:50:34,545 --> 00:50:38,521 there are very few of those people left anymore. 1000 00:50:38,521 --> 00:50:42,688 Pretty soon it'll just a be a mark in a history book. 1001 00:50:43,895 --> 00:50:45,467 But that history book will also say 1002 00:50:45,467 --> 00:50:47,967 that Richardson was exonerated 1003 00:50:49,905 --> 00:50:54,417 and was paid X amount of dollars by the state. 1004 00:50:54,417 --> 00:50:57,584 It clears his name and throws the onus 1005 00:50:58,559 --> 00:51:02,726 back on the government that put him away, wrongly. 1006 00:51:07,604 --> 00:51:11,437 - I wish him well and I hope he gets his money 1007 00:51:13,476 --> 00:51:16,279 soon enough to be able to use some of it, 1008 00:51:16,279 --> 00:51:20,033 to try and do some things to enjoy what's left of his life. 1009 00:51:20,033 --> 00:51:23,116 (gentle piano music) 1010 00:51:51,132 --> 00:51:54,382 (dramatic piano music) 75244

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