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Good morning, viewers.

We're now live at the New York City Marathon

where over two and a half million people gathered to watch the race.

My goal for this marathon is simply to finish.

If I can do it, you can do it.

It was 2010.

I had lost touch with Jared.

He was tired of me not meeting him in person...

But I never let my guard down because I was sure...

that Jared Fogle was an active pedophile.

So the public and my children were at risk.

I wanted to warn people so people could protect their children

You know, I speak to children all over the country,

and actually, all over the world now.

There were times that I just wanted to shout out over the airways.

Sorry.

Sorry. I didn't expect that.

I was prevented from talking by the FBI.

And I couldn't take it anymore.

At this point, I went to the local authorities,

the Sarasota Police Department.

I turned in the FBI...

for not doing their due diligence to close this case

with the evidence that I had provided. I felt there was enough.

It's kind of a bit of a crazy move, though, isn't it?

You taking on the FBI?

Doing the right thing is important to me.

And that's what I thought I was doing.

My name is Chris Catanzaro.

I used to be a detective with the Sarasota City Police Department.

On May 13th, 2010,

Miss. Rochelle Herman came in to the station.

I spoke with her about Jared Fogle.

Her chief concern at that time was that he was gonna hurt children, including her own.

And she felt like we needed to get this guy off the street.

She had already contacted the FBI, felt that it wasn't moving fast enough.

And I think she wanted an audience to believe her and do something.

My firsts concern was, is this a person that's enamored with a celebrity.

And then she showed us her evidence.

She had phone recordings, all kinds of information in reference to Mr. Fogle.

Don't know? No.

When I listened to Rochelle's tapes, I was shocked.

I genuinely was shocked, because he comes across as a clean-cut guy.

But, predators come in many shapes, forms,

and oftentimes, it can be people that we have a lot of respect for.

I was very disturbed. I was concerned...

that there could be a possibility that this man was going to do things.

But because Mr. Fogle lived out of state,

there'd been, as I knew, no crime committed in Sarasota.

So we really couldn't do any kind of arrest.

But we did take her seriously...

And I spoke with Agent Billings at the FBI,

and she did verify that there was an active investigation concerning Mr. Fogle.

I was there for several hours.

I told the detectives,

"I'm going to play my tapes on my radio show."

I was going to reveal who Jared was,

if they didn't do anything.

I told her, "Don't do that. That would not be a good idea."

Broadcasting something like that can be very harmful to an investigation.

Number one, it can scare the suspect off.

And number two, it could cause problems for her.

Somebody could come after her and maybe physically hurt her.

I was frustrated and incredibly disappointed.

But I agreed not to share the tapes publicly.

I was allowed to leave the police station.

And my head is just spinning.

I felt as though...

I am being watched.

My wanting to turn evidence on the FBI,

was I now someone to be questioned?

Am I a loose cannon?

Was... I someone not to be trusted?

Was that a level of paranoia, or was there truth to that?

I don't know.

One evening I was on the air.

It was about quarter to eleven or so, my show was about to end.

And...

There's two guys bangin' on the door.

They had black suits with black sunglasses on.

It was right out of the movies.

It was the 'men in black'.

The FBI, they show me their badges.

And I said, "Can I help you guys?"

They said, "Rochelle Herman, please."

And they're like, "Who the hell are you?"

I said, "I'm the station manager."

And I'm on the air for another 15 minutes.

"Thank you, we'll be back." And they turned and walked in unison.

It was bizarre. I'd never seen anything like that.

So we wrapped up and zoomed across the street,

and we watched from a bar.

They were up there for almost two hours.

They took computers, they took boxes,

they took stacks of printed out emails and texts.

And they took a lot of stuff.

The FBI, they raided the radio station.

They raided my home to collect anything that I may not have turned over.

They knew that I could tell the public at any moment

about Jared.

The FBI told me to stay quiet

or I would be charged with impeding an on-going investigation.

So I did.

I had to step back. I had to become a ghost.

The toll that working undercover for the FBI...

had on my health was astronomical.

The PTSD that I have experienced because of this,

um, has been debilitating.

I truly believe that...

when someone undergoes such a stressful situation for so many years,

it makes you susceptible to other things.

In the fall of 2012,

I was diagnosed with reflex sympathetic dystrophy,

known as suicide disease,

because it is the most painful chronic disease known to man.

I was on incredible amounts of painkillers...

and medications.

My entire life changed.

It cost me my career.

I felt bad for Rochelle because she's a beautiful person.

And she was in pretty bad shape.

Seeing what she became, it was hard.

The pain and all the stress,

and everything that's happened,

she's completely different from who she was.

It was a struggle every day.

And I see Jared... living a wonderful life.

- And he just got married. Congratulations. - Thank you very much.

Yeah, it's been great so far. My first trip back on the road after being married.

So, that's awesome.

Jared was married to Katie McLaughlin.

She seemed very nice, very sweet.

From the outside, to me, their relationship was simple.

Katie was very much the housewife, taking care of the kids.

Jared was out making the money.

This holiday season, Subway is celebrating you!

Customer appreciation is back!

But 2013, Jared had made about 300 commercials,

and was worth 15 million dollars.

Jared, Jared, I am your biggest fan.

- You know, you're more handsome in person. - Thank you.

Ever since the Prince of Jared commercial,

I have followed everything that he has done ever since.

How are you, buddy?

I was very happy for him.

He seemed very humble,

he didn't seem like he thought he was better than anybody else.

He treated everybody with respect.

How are you?

He was just, uh, just a nice guy.

- Over 200 pounds... - for 15 years...

- Bravo! - Take a bow, Jared.

My name's Chuck Cohen.

I was a Captain at the Indiana State Police.

In mid to late 2014, I received a phone call from

an Indiana State Trooper that I knew.

He said that he had a friend who had been in communication

with a man sending images that depicted bestiality.

I made the decision to ask a investigator to get more information.

Investigators uncovered electronic communication about sexual contact

with an animal.

At the time in Indiana,

the possession of images and videos that depict bestiality is not a crime.

But the actual act of bestiality, that would be unlawful.

Investigators determine that the electronic communication...

was sent by Russell Taylor.

Russell Taylor at the time was employed as executive director

of the Jared Foundation owned and run by Jared Fogle, the Subway guy.

Investigators serve a search warrant at Russell Taylor's house

to collect evidence associated with bestiality.

He was living in a, uh, very nice house in Central Indiana.

By all external appearances, he was a very average upper-middle class person.

Russell Taylor didn't have any criminal history whatsoever

that we were aware of.

Investigators did find images of an adult female

in contact with an animal.

And they identify the person in the images as Angie Taylor,

Russell Taylor's wife.

During the course of the search of Russell Taylor's house,

investigators inadvertently discovered... hidden cameras...

built into things that look like something else, like a clock...

in places like children's bedrooms.

When he was interviewed by investigators one of the things Russell told them

was he placed the cameras there, um, to prevent theft., ,

But the location of the cameras

was inconsistent with what Russell Taylor's said.

They were pointed towards places that were intimate to children.

Placed towards beds, trying to record children when they were unclothed.

One of the things investigators found

were videos that appeared to be produced by those cameras...

of children undressed,

of children involved in some cases, in sex acts.

Investigators see horrible things.

In my experience, the videos that stick with me the most...

are the ones where I've heard the audio.

It's hearing the fear in the child's voice.

The only thing that surpasses that

is the horrors that the children themselves experience.

When a child is the victim of production of child pornography,

that will follow the child for their entire life.

After Russell was arrested,

we had to talk to the FBI.

I was a very traumatic... frozen state.

I couldn't even believe what was happening to me.

They sat me down and told me...

that there were cameras all throughout the house.

They were everywhere. Russell, he was watching us.

In the shower, watching us get dressed in our rooms,

watching us masturbate.

We were being watched 24/7.

You just feel so dirty when you find something out like that. You just...

It's just really hard to accept that that even happened.

And the FBI showed us still images

of just our faces...

The rest of the bodies were blocked out.

I identified myself, I identified my sister.

And then I had to identify some of my... closest friends.

I think I was starting to reconcile...

what was really going on.

Everything that ever happened with Russell...

finally made sense.

When our mom met Russell Taylor,

I was about ten, and Christian would have been about 13.

It looked like we we all were doing well.

We were going on vacations, we were moving on up in the world.

But all of that was a facade,

because our lives really started to take a turn for the worst.

Your average teenager will get in trouble for drinking underage,

and smoking weed.

But it wasn't like that for us.

I was being introduced to all of that by my mom and Russell.

We're throwing these parties and it's normal.

They want us to, they encouraged us to.

You don't know the difference between what is right and what is wrong

because a trusted source who is supposed to be your parent,

is telling you that it's okay.

- You know. - The common quote in our home was,

"Age is just a number."

As long as you're mature enough to do it, you're gonna do it.

I think that was... the seed that was planted.

And that began the grooming process for us.

Allowing us to drink and smoke and party,

made us vulnerable to talk about...

sexual things.

It didn't even have to be about you or I.

It was about them.

My mom's attitude to sexual behavior,

it went from zero to a hundred.

She would leave the room after giving Russell oral and come...

tell me about it. Like, it was just very open.

I remember I was 12 at the time,

and Russell was telling me, "You should be having sex."

You know, "You should be exploring your body."

And I told him, no.

And he proceeded to kind of make fun of me

'cause I hadn't done those things.

One day Russell texted me.

He said, "Hey, I left something on your bed."

I went up there and... there was a... dildo!

And the computer pulled up with porn!

It freaked me out.

He's leaving this for me, so what am I supposed to do!

I think Russell was doing all these things to catch us on camera.

Literally setting up scenes...

to put into his film.

Russell Taylor is accused of recording underaged girls

without their knowledge to produce porn.

Taylor was in some of the images.

When Russell Taylor was arrested in 2015,

both Jared Fogle and Subway Corporation, uh, released statements.

The statement that Jared Fogle released was...

"I was shocked to learn of the disturbing allegations against Mr. Taylor.

"Affect from immediately the Jared Foundation severed all ties with Mr. Taylor."

The statement from Subway was...

"We don't have any affiliation with the Foundation

"and we were disgusted to hear about these claims.

"We're glad Jared took quick action to severe all his ties with Mr. Taylor."

I'm sure Subway was very concerned the day Russell Taylor was arrested.

And I'm sure somebody somewhere at Subway just said...

"God, please, don't let Jared Fogle be involved in this."

What an inspiration! Subway, eat fresh.

Through the course of the investigation,

investigators found thousands of text messages.

And also numerous images and videos of children...

The image was horrible.

Investigators were able to identify 12 victims.

One of the things investigators were able to recover

is Russell Taylor sent a image of a naked child

to Jared Fogle.

Russell Taylor, when interviewed told investigators

Jared Fogle had actually gone out to dinner with that child victim.

Jared Fogle had the option of calling the police.

He could have told Russell Taylor,

"I don't want this Don't send anymore."

Or he could've done what he did.

My name is Steven Debrota.

Back in 2014, I was an assistant US attorney.

When I saw the text message that featured a minor he knew in real life...

we began the investigation of Jared Fogle.

If there's one piece of evidence like that, there could be more.

Russell Taylor, when interviewed, claimed

that some, some of his criminal behavior was motivated

by a desire to produce child pornography for Jared Fogle.

We know from other communications that at one point

a thumb drive and a laptop computer containing child pornography,

both commercial and homemade,

was given from Russell Taylor to Jared Fogle.

So we develop enough information to get a search warrant for Jared's home.

So the morning of July 7th...

investigators met at about five o'clock in the morning.

Most of the officers were not aware of the location they were gonna search.

Our entire goal was to do this as discreetly as possible

with as little media attention as possible.

Uh, that was unsuccessful.

Developing story out of Indiana...

FBI agents raiding the home of Subway spokesman, Jared Fogle.

I'm shocked to say the least.

When I first saw that something was happening with Jared.

Over the 25 years of my career,

there was more media attention at this than any other investigation.

You know, people flocked their cameras from TV.

Our reporters, our photographers. It was a classic media circus.

I don't think anyone understood the full scope of what was going on.

But when the truth came out, it shocked the nation to its core.

I received a phone call from a friend of mine.

"You need to turn on the news now."

Investigators start at around 6:30 in the morning.

They went through the home. In fact, we see a video of them coming out

with hard drives and computers.

Jared's house was being raided.

I was shocked. Oh, my gosh. It's actually happening.

I just don't think the FBI raids people for no reason.

Only thing I ever see around this home are happy people

doing their yard, waving.

So I'm shocked and upset, of course, and saddened.

The FBI will only say that

an investigation is taking place in Zionville.

Jared, you got anything to say?

We wanna stress that he is not being arrested.

He has not been charged, but again, it is an on-going investigation.

Investigators found digital devices.

Cellphones, USB drives, several computers.

5.6 terabytes of information had to be reviewed...

to see whether or not there was other evidence

or other crimes were committed.

That very day that the news broke,

I contacted our local station, ABC7.

I felt it was important to get my story out there

and reveal the monster behind the doors.

I remember my assignment manager saying,

"Max, I may have something for you."

And she tells me about this woman who tipped off the FBI

on Jared Fogle and something to do with child pornography.

And I'm like, okay, is this just some kook woman trying to, to get attention.

So, I call Rochelle, and she tells me her story.

I didn't know whether to trust this woman.

So I am contacting sources and I will say,

I felt very comfortable that she was telling the truth.

So, we did an interview with her.

Did he mention to you that he in fact did have relations with, with underage children?

Yes, he did. Yes, he did.

Jared Fogle to you is what?

Is a monster.

When Rochelle's news broke, I didn't believe it at first.

I thought it wasn't true.

Because Jared Fogle was considered one of the most trusted people in the country.

In the public's eye I think people were still siding with Fogle

and believing that he'd been duped.

A lot of cases involving famous people

don't go the right way.

In his particular case, he had fame and he has money.

So, we had the concern that Fogle was gonna be one more celebrity

that would get away with it.

Everyone's still waiting for investigators

to give some comments about what they may have found during this investigation.

After the search of his residence,

we had to do painstaking analysis

of what digital evidence was there.

My conclusion was that Jared Fogle was fully involved in criminal activity

with Russell Taylor.

My question was, was I gonna be able to hold him accountable

for the totality of what he did.

And that wasn't clear to me until we saw all of the text messages that we got

as a result of searching his house.

The texts showed

Jared Fogle was very good at maintaining his double life.

He would travel around the United States for Subway.

We know he was in Las Vegas,

Florida, and New York City.

But when he's not in public,

when he's by himself in the hotel room...

Jared Fogle spent 12,000 a year on sex-workers.

Then he would ask if they had access to any underage prostituting minors.

He successfully had sex with prostituting minors on multiple occasions...

at the Plaza Hotel, just off Central Park

and also at the Ritz Carlton in Manhattan.

The two prostituting minors in New York were sixteen years of age,

and we call that, travelling over a Stateline to engage in unlawful sex with a minor.

That's a federal crime.

So, at the end of the day we charged him with conspiring with Russell Taylor

to distribute and receive child pornography.

And also, victimizing prostituted minors in New York.

Jared Fogle was searched in July of 2015,

and he was pleading guilty by August.

The face of Subway

has gone from being famous to being infamous

for something much more sinister.

Jared Fogle pleading guilty to child pornography charges,

and other shocking sex crimes.

He paid to have sex with victims that he knew were kids.

Hey, Jared...

When Jared Fogle first pleaded guilty, it sent shock waves.

No one could believe it.

What we were able to determine was there were 14 victims

and all of them were subjected to very serious federal crimes.

The guy on the radio said, "Big trouble for Jared from Subway."

And I listened to him, and I'm like, "Oh, my God. They got him. They got him."

Let's call this what it is.

This is about using wealth, status and secrecy

to illegally exploit children.

We were just shocked.

We just couldn't comprehend that, that this story was really true.

He had a family, he had children.

And then to just throw it away like that, is just...

It makes me angry and it makes me sad.

I felt sick to my stomach.

I felt weird about knowing the guy.

It was just horrible.

And I felt for all of the victims and the people involved.

Jared, is there anything you want to say?

His wife immediately filed for divorce.

She also asked for custody of their two children.

And she denounced him in public.

Breaking news story regarding former Subway spokesman, Jared Fogle.

And just moments ago, Katie McLaughlin

spoke publicly for the first time ever.

Find out that your husband

and the father of your children is a child predator

is devastating.

were among her claims that Subway was alerted

at least three times to Jared's possible sexual attraction to children

and did nothing about it.

Finding out that Subway did not act upon at least one complaint

is beyond comprehension.

Did Subway cover it up? I don't know.

I think the more logical reasoning here is that

Subway just did not find the allegations truthful.

Subway says it found just one serious complaint

about its former spokesperson, Jared Fogle.

But it wasn't connected to any sexual misconduct.

Subway has now closed it's investigation.

You can't help but wonder,

did Jared Fogle get away with his crimes for so long

because of his fame?

We may not ever know the full story.

Today, former Subway spokesperson, Jared Fogle,

will be sentenced on federal charges of possession of child pornography

and having sex with a minor.

Charges that carry a penalty between five and fifty years in federal prison.

A literal media frenzy is on hand...

awaiting former Subway spokesman, Jared Fogle.

What do you wanna say to the families of these victims?

The betrayal of the public's trust triggered interest in the case.

As you can see here behind me,

dozens of photographers, dozens of reporters out here

speaking about history as it's being made.

For me, my goal was to get a sentence that I thought

was a fair reflection of what we knew he had done.

The minimum sentence he could get was five years.

The maximum sentence he could receive was fifty years.

In the sentencing hearing,

the defendant gets an opportunity to directly address the court.

Fogle went on to tell Judge Prat,

"I went from being raised with good, solid morals and values

"to living the life of deception, lies and complete self-centeredness.

"I had become dependent on alcohol, pornography and prostitutes.

"The victims that I have harmed as a result of my decisions

"will carry a huge burden for the rest of their lives.

"Not a day will go by that I don't think about them.

"I take full and absolute responsibility for what I have done."

Jared's defense attorneys had him evaluated.

One of the experts provided a testimony,

uh, that Jared was addicted to sexual activity.

His attorneys said early on that he had swapped his food addiction for sex addiction.

And that he was a good candidate for treatment.

That he would be able to beat this and get better.

That seems ludicrous on its face today.

It seemed ludicrous at that time.

I think you could have any number of addictions,

you're not suddenly going to find someone who's underage sexually attractive.

The defense had one of their witnesses saying it was mild pedophilia.

That his problem primarily was teenage girls.

But he was, according to our evidence,

sexually attracted to children as young as age six, boys and girls.

Several women around the United States came forward and said...

Jared, to bring up the issue of his sexual attraction to minors.

One of them, Rochelle Herman, had a set of recordings

with Jared Fogle over a period of time.

As far as I'm aware, there is no evidence to support

that Jared Fogle ever did any of the things he discussed with Rochelle Herman.

But the, uh, existence of the tapes

showed he had a sexual interest in minors

and a long-standing and persistent pattern of behavior.

It's not a 'one moment of bad judgement',

it's not a small addiction, it's a major problem.

Rochelle's tapes clearly had a huge impact on the judge.

Because when it came to sentencing,

she went beyond the prosecutor's recommendations.

And I can tell you, that is very rare.

The judge in this case, federal judge Tanya Walton Pratt,

sentencing Jared Fogle to fifteen and a half years in prison.

He is going to be registered as a sex offender,

and uh, basically, being watched the entirety of his life.

Hey, Jared!

I know that there are guidelines.

And I know that the judge took everything into consideration...

But there's fourteen victims!

How is fifteen years enough?

Now, looking back on it,

it makes me angry.

Jared was just completely complicit

in the videos that were being taken of us

in our most vulnerable moments.

He was the puppet master

and Russell was kind of just his puppet.

I think Jared Fogle was wired to be sexually attracted to children.

And his situation was made worse when he met Russell Taylor.

They become this toxic combination together.

Russell Taylor is paying the price

for victimizing children he secretly videotaped in the nude.

The federal crime will cost him more than two decades in prison.

It was his cooperation that allowed them to arrest and charge Jared Fogle.

So many terrible memories in that house.

It looks like a family home.

- But, really, it was toxic. Evil. - Yeah.

It's kind of hard to believe we lived in there

and all those things happened inside.

I don't feel trapped in there anymore.

But this house robbed me of my childhood.

Russell Taylor, to me, is now a monster.

But I think my mom, Angela, was just as dangerous.

As Russell and Jared, if not more.

We got a call from the FBI IN 2020.

The case was being reopened.

The FBI had this new evidence.

They said we're going to show you things about your mom

that you've never seen before.

And they showed us text messages and text messages and text messages

of our mom talking about wanting to have sex with us.

Wanting to let Russell have sex with us.

She was watching us live on these cameras.

I'm sorry.

You just feel so unloved.

Just how...

someone who... is supposed to love you and protect you...

Supposed to be your mom...

is...

dangerous.

We were asked to testify against her.

And I wanted to tell the world what she had done

because she stole so much of my childhood away from me.

I felt, you exposed me, I'm going to expose you.

Russell Taylor's former wife was charged with sex crimes.

And in 2021, she was convicted after jury trial.

Judge Pratt's sentence for Taylor's former wife, Angela Baldwin

was 33 years.

She molested her own relatives and was gleeful about it.

This was someone who chose to do this,

this was someone who wanted to do this.

And it's this horrific exploitation of children

who should be able to trust you.

I've asked myself many times...

why would our mom do this to her children?

I would label her as... evil.

She just was not a good mom.

She just was not a good mother.

I would definitely say, having a child...

has changed my life.

I've never loved somebody so much.

I just want to give my daughter... what I didn't have.

I feel like our entire lives we've really just been surviving.

I didn't see the light at the end of the tunnel.

And now I can finally see that light.

I can finally get a little bit of the taste

of freedom and happiness.

And it tastes so good.

It really does.

Although we've never met Rochelle,

I'm definitely thankful for the part that she's played

because we didn't have the power to speak up for ourselves.

I would never be able to live my life knowing

that I stood down.

I needed to help save these children.

And I would do it all over again.

But I do regret how...

it tore my relationship with my children apart.

My sister, Angela,

struggles a lot with the same things that I do.

Like anxiety and...

I think she also, like has heavy depression.

But she wants to get her life on track again.

The whole thing with Jared Fogle,

it's definitely strained, like, my relationship with my sister...

and my mother.

Around four or five years ago, I moved to Taiwan.

And I've never gone back to America.

There's a lot of reasons why.

There's been a lot that's happened.

I'm, I'm not sure, like, what I should say, to be honest.

But, I'm very proud of my mother.

She did do something heroic.

And she... It was selfless, 'cause she lost a lot in the process.

I'm not the same person I used to be.

But, I will not allow this experience with Jared to define my life.

If I ever have the opportunity to talk to those fourteen victims,

I would share it with them.

Do not give Jared the power

to define what he did to you

as who you are, because that's not who you are.

And love yourself because you survived.

And I personally...

thank you for coming forward to help stop a monster.