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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,700 --> 00:00:04,100 Narrator: 2 00:00:04,100 --> 00:00:04,230 Narrator: In 1996, 3 00:00:05,734 --> 00:00:08,004 a Florida couple was horrified 4 00:00:08,033 --> 00:00:10,673 when their dog dragged home a ghastly surprise. 5 00:00:10,700 --> 00:00:13,000 It was a human skull. 6 00:00:14,700 --> 00:00:16,430 Narrator: It was the first in a series 7 00:00:16,433 --> 00:00:17,773 of unspeakable discoveries 8 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,270 in backyards of Florida homes. 9 00:00:20,300 --> 00:00:21,670 John Jaccoud: He was just disfigured. 10 00:00:21,700 --> 00:00:24,670 I never seen anything like it. 11 00:00:24,700 --> 00:00:26,570 Bob Norman: Everyone in Southwest Florida 12 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,530 is wondering where this monster is. 13 00:00:29,567 --> 00:00:32,567 Narrator: And the unimaginable only got worse. 14 00:00:32,567 --> 00:00:37,427 When I got closer I could see his genitals had been removed. 15 00:00:37,433 --> 00:00:41,703 I was really concerned 'cause now we have two bodies. 16 00:00:41,734 --> 00:00:44,334 Narrator: It was a race against time. 17 00:00:44,333 --> 00:00:47,133 Michael Gandy: We went all out in a 24-hour, seven-day-a-week 18 00:00:47,166 --> 00:00:49,126 surveillance on this guy. 19 00:00:49,166 --> 00:00:51,066 We had a serial killer. 20 00:00:51,100 --> 00:00:55,600 And if he gets away from us and kills again, 21 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,470 how do you live with that? 22 00:01:10,166 --> 00:01:12,466 Narrator: Susan and Wayne Brown were up with the sun 23 00:01:12,467 --> 00:01:14,997 on the first day of 1996, 24 00:01:15,033 --> 00:01:18,033 enjoying the solitude that came with living 25 00:01:18,066 --> 00:01:20,996 in a secluded part of North Port, Florida. 26 00:01:23,066 --> 00:01:25,066 Susan Brown: It was 5:30, 6:00 in the morning. 27 00:01:25,100 --> 00:01:27,100 We have two hunting dogs. 28 00:01:27,133 --> 00:01:28,473 Like he does every morning, 29 00:01:28,500 --> 00:01:30,030 my husband let the dogs out of the dog pen. 30 00:01:30,066 --> 00:01:33,226 ( dogs barking ) 31 00:01:33,233 --> 00:01:35,233 It was when they get out of the pen, 32 00:01:35,233 --> 00:01:37,203 my husband saw the dogs very curious about something 33 00:01:37,233 --> 00:01:38,633 at the base of a palm tree. 34 00:01:41,767 --> 00:01:43,597 So he went over there to investigate. 35 00:01:47,533 --> 00:01:50,203 ( husband screams ) 36 00:01:50,233 --> 00:01:52,103 Husband: Susan! 37 00:01:52,100 --> 00:01:53,630 Brown: I was in the kitchen, I could hear him. 38 00:01:53,667 --> 00:01:57,727 I was thinking, "Oh, my God, what is happening to him?" 39 00:01:57,767 --> 00:02:01,227 At that point, I ran down and looked to see what was going on. 40 00:02:01,266 --> 00:02:04,526 I went over there to the base of the palm tree to look 41 00:02:04,567 --> 00:02:06,497 and there it was. 42 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,230 A human skull. 43 00:02:13,266 --> 00:02:15,666 My first initial thought was just, "Oh, my God! Oh, my God!" 44 00:02:15,667 --> 00:02:17,497 And I thought, "What's happening?" 45 00:02:17,533 --> 00:02:20,133 And he goes, "We need to call the police." 46 00:02:20,166 --> 00:02:23,196 Man over radio: Six, six, seven. 47 00:02:23,233 --> 00:02:26,003 Narrator: Officers were quick to get to the Browns' backyard. 48 00:02:26,033 --> 00:02:30,133 And the more they heard, the stranger the couple's story became. 49 00:02:30,166 --> 00:02:32,466 Brown: We told them the dogs had been bringing bones home 50 00:02:32,500 --> 00:02:35,530 for about a month. 51 00:02:35,533 --> 00:02:38,133 Been picking them up in the yard. 52 00:02:38,166 --> 00:02:40,626 And it's like, "Well, they got a dear, or somebody dumped a cow, 53 00:02:40,667 --> 00:02:43,427 or somebody's horse just died and they couldn't bury it 54 00:02:43,467 --> 00:02:45,427 so they, you know, dumped it out there." 55 00:02:45,433 --> 00:02:48,433 Narrator: When investigators examined the bones, 56 00:02:48,433 --> 00:02:51,233 they came to a gruesome conclusion. 57 00:02:51,266 --> 00:02:54,666 Brown: They found arm bones, leg bones, 58 00:02:54,700 --> 00:02:56,530 a lot of little bones. 59 00:02:56,567 --> 00:02:58,697 They were human. 60 00:03:02,066 --> 00:03:05,366 Narrator: The horror sank in. 61 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,370 Who had been so grossly disposed of 62 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,100 in the backyard of their Florida home? 63 00:03:10,133 --> 00:03:12,573 I had no idea where those bones came from. 64 00:03:16,700 --> 00:03:18,370 Rickey Hobbs: North Port Police Department, 65 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,230 they went back into the woods, 66 00:03:20,266 --> 00:03:24,026 where they found the rest of the remains. 67 00:03:24,033 --> 00:03:28,133 The remains were decomposed. They were just basically bones. 68 00:03:28,166 --> 00:03:30,596 They did not find any clothing. 69 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:32,670 They didn't find any personal items. 70 00:03:32,700 --> 00:03:34,670 They didn't find anything except the bones. 71 00:03:34,700 --> 00:03:38,030 Gandy: My gut told me that we got a problem. 72 00:03:38,066 --> 00:03:40,326 And it doesn't take a rocket scientist, I guess, 73 00:03:40,367 --> 00:03:42,397 but it was scary. 74 00:03:47,767 --> 00:03:50,467 Narrator: It didn't take long for news of the bones 75 00:03:50,467 --> 00:03:54,667 in the Browns' backyard to spread through the quiet town of North Port. 76 00:03:54,700 --> 00:03:56,700 This case was shocking 77 00:03:56,734 --> 00:03:59,404 to everyone in Southwest Florida. 78 00:03:59,433 --> 00:04:02,333 It's a place where people go to retire. 79 00:04:02,333 --> 00:04:04,533 They go there to enjoy the water. 80 00:04:04,567 --> 00:04:05,597 It's beautiful. 81 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,770 So there was a real feeling 82 00:04:07,767 --> 00:04:09,667 of pall in the air. 83 00:04:11,233 --> 00:04:12,433 Nobody had a clue. 84 00:04:12,467 --> 00:04:14,327 It's all speculation, 85 00:04:14,367 --> 00:04:17,167 and no one's gonna be able to recognize that person, 86 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,730 and it presents a whole slew of challenges. 87 00:04:19,767 --> 00:04:22,227 Hobbs: The medical examiner's office came out. 88 00:04:22,233 --> 00:04:24,173 He collected the bones 89 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,570 and transported them back to his office for examination. 90 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,730 Medical examiner determined that that was a white male. 91 00:04:30,767 --> 00:04:33,767 He was probably 25 to 35 years old, 92 00:04:33,767 --> 00:04:37,767 about six foot three, heavy build. 93 00:04:37,767 --> 00:04:40,297 Narrator: While the medical examiner couldn't determine 94 00:04:40,333 --> 00:04:42,333 exactly how the victim died, 95 00:04:42,367 --> 00:04:44,497 he did declare it a homicide 96 00:04:44,533 --> 00:04:46,703 when a disturbing clue emerged. 97 00:04:46,734 --> 00:04:51,104 A series of knife marks on the pelvic bones. 98 00:04:51,133 --> 00:04:53,503 We were really concerned, at this point. 99 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,370 Narrator: Who was behind the grisly crime? 100 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,200 Hobbs: Initially in any investigation, 101 00:05:01,233 --> 00:05:04,503 everybody's a suspect until you prove otherwise. 102 00:05:04,533 --> 00:05:07,073 Narrator: Suddenly, Susan and Wayne were being eyed 103 00:05:07,100 --> 00:05:09,130 as potential suspects. 104 00:05:09,133 --> 00:05:10,633 ( indistinct radio chatter ) 105 00:05:10,667 --> 00:05:12,327 Brown: The police came, 106 00:05:12,367 --> 00:05:15,197 you know, guns drawn and sneaking up in the yard. 107 00:05:15,233 --> 00:05:17,533 Then they started questioning me. 108 00:05:17,567 --> 00:05:19,227 "Where were you?" "I was at work." 109 00:05:19,266 --> 00:05:20,266 "Where do you work?" "Local hospital." 110 00:05:20,300 --> 00:05:22,530 ( indistinct radio chatter ) 111 00:05:22,567 --> 00:05:25,727 They were suspicious of us because we did not call 9-1-1. 112 00:05:25,767 --> 00:05:27,497 We called the regular police number, 113 00:05:27,533 --> 00:05:29,403 and that we were very calm when we called. 114 00:05:29,433 --> 00:05:32,103 Hobbs: Local law enforcement interviewed the Browns, 115 00:05:32,133 --> 00:05:34,233 and through their interviews and their questions, 116 00:05:34,266 --> 00:05:37,026 they eliminate them as any suspects. 117 00:05:37,033 --> 00:05:39,633 Just crazy. Just crazy. 118 00:05:39,667 --> 00:05:42,267 We knew we were innocent. What are you gonna do? 119 00:05:45,066 --> 00:05:46,996 Narrator: If the Browns were innocent, 120 00:05:47,033 --> 00:05:50,633 how did the human remains end up in their backyard? 121 00:05:50,667 --> 00:05:54,427 And how long had they been there? 122 00:05:54,433 --> 00:05:56,573 Hobbs: At that point we didn't know who the person was. 123 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:00,570 All they knew was it was homicidal violence. 124 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:05,230 North Port Police Department interviewed everyone they can as far as leads. 125 00:06:05,266 --> 00:06:08,626 They checked the Missing Persons and tried to identify them that way, 126 00:06:08,667 --> 00:06:11,027 but they come up empty. 127 00:06:11,033 --> 00:06:12,603 Brown: You know, there's a mother out there, 128 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:14,530 and you know he's got family somewhere. 129 00:06:14,567 --> 00:06:18,367 Whatever happened to him? It's sad. 130 00:06:21,467 --> 00:06:23,327 ( siren blaring ) 131 00:06:23,367 --> 00:06:25,467 Narrator: Four months into that investigation, 132 00:06:25,467 --> 00:06:28,997 detectives Ricky Hobbs and Mike Gandy answered an alarming call 133 00:06:29,033 --> 00:06:32,173 30 miles away in neighboring Charlotte County. 134 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,600 There had been another terrifying discovery 135 00:06:34,633 --> 00:06:38,533 in the backyard of a new housing development. 136 00:06:38,567 --> 00:06:41,527 I learned two county employees were taking a break or something 137 00:06:41,567 --> 00:06:43,527 but they were just walking around in the wooded area 138 00:06:43,567 --> 00:06:46,467 from a nearby paved road. 139 00:06:46,467 --> 00:06:48,697 And they stumbled upon a skull. 140 00:06:51,734 --> 00:06:54,234 Norman: It's out in the middle of nowhere, 141 00:06:54,266 --> 00:06:58,196 and it's just not a place that people go very often. 142 00:06:58,233 --> 00:07:00,503 Hobbs: When I responded I went into the woods 143 00:07:00,533 --> 00:07:03,033 and went back about 50 or 100 feet 144 00:07:03,066 --> 00:07:07,096 and that's where the skull by itself was laying on the ground. 145 00:07:09,500 --> 00:07:11,770 Gandy: We went in and started to look around a little bit 146 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,700 and then I found the torso of a human being. 147 00:07:16,467 --> 00:07:18,697 We assumed that that torso went with the skull 148 00:07:18,734 --> 00:07:21,174 that was found by the county workers. 149 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,200 Just from experience, 150 00:07:23,233 --> 00:07:25,373 we knew that the torso was there a week or so 151 00:07:25,367 --> 00:07:27,567 or maybe a little longer. 152 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:31,030 Narrator: There was no telling what other horrors awaited detectives 153 00:07:31,066 --> 00:07:33,066 in the backyard of this development. 154 00:07:33,100 --> 00:07:36,600 Not too far away, I found the remains of a pelvis. 155 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,670 Though seasoned detectives, 156 00:07:39,667 --> 00:07:42,227 it was impossible for Gandy and Hobbs 157 00:07:42,266 --> 00:07:44,266 to make sense of the scene. 158 00:07:44,300 --> 00:07:47,370 And with each step, it became more surreal. 159 00:07:49,533 --> 00:07:51,633 I saw something off in the distance 160 00:07:51,667 --> 00:07:53,727 about a hundred feet that caught my eye. 161 00:07:56,767 --> 00:08:02,197 And as I approached this thing under the tree, 162 00:08:02,233 --> 00:08:05,233 I could see a-- part of a hand sticking out. 163 00:08:05,266 --> 00:08:08,326 Just the fingertips. 164 00:08:08,367 --> 00:08:10,527 So I didn't know whether I had a homeless guy there. 165 00:08:10,567 --> 00:08:13,997 It appeared to be a carpet padding laying on top of him. 166 00:08:14,033 --> 00:08:15,603 As I got closer, I could see 167 00:08:15,633 --> 00:08:19,033 what appeared to be blood on the hand. 168 00:08:19,033 --> 00:08:21,703 And I called out to Lieutenant Gandy, 169 00:08:21,700 --> 00:08:23,570 "Hey, I've got something over here." 170 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:27,170 I lifted up the edge of the carpet padding, 171 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,270 and what we had was another body. 172 00:08:30,300 --> 00:08:32,430 Body of a white male. 173 00:08:32,433 --> 00:08:35,033 He was what we call fresh. 174 00:08:35,066 --> 00:08:36,626 Only been there 10 or 12 hours. 175 00:08:36,667 --> 00:08:39,567 He had ligature marks around his wrists. 176 00:08:39,567 --> 00:08:42,427 Ligature marks around his neck, 177 00:08:42,467 --> 00:08:45,567 and ligature marks around his legs. 178 00:08:49,433 --> 00:08:53,433 Narrator: And what detectives discovered next was ghastly. 179 00:08:53,433 --> 00:08:55,503 Gandy: He was completely nude 180 00:08:55,533 --> 00:08:58,403 and his genitals had been surgically removed. 181 00:09:00,300 --> 00:09:03,270 Norman: There was a grisly murderer out there 182 00:09:03,300 --> 00:09:06,570 who was tying people up to trees. 183 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:08,500 Where nobody could hear you scream. 184 00:09:18,233 --> 00:09:18,433 Narrator: 185 00:09:18,433 --> 00:09:18,773 Narrator: In 1996, after a dog 186 00:09:18,767 --> 00:09:19,297 Narrator: In 1996, after a dog dug up a human skull 187 00:09:22,333 --> 00:09:25,473 in a North Port, Florida backyard, 188 00:09:25,467 --> 00:09:27,427 investigators unearthed the remains 189 00:09:27,467 --> 00:09:30,197 of an unidentified victim. 190 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:33,730 Four months later, detectives in neighboring Charlotte County 191 00:09:33,767 --> 00:09:37,297 discovered the gruesome remains of two more bodies 192 00:09:37,333 --> 00:09:41,773 in the backyard of a new housing development. 193 00:09:41,767 --> 00:09:45,327 As I got closer, I could see his genitals had been removed. 194 00:09:50,266 --> 00:09:51,766 Gandy: I've done this for a long time 195 00:09:51,767 --> 00:09:53,767 and I've seen some pretty bad things. 196 00:09:53,767 --> 00:09:56,227 This ranks up there with the top of them. 197 00:09:58,233 --> 00:10:00,773 Hobbs: Our theories on why the genitals were removed 198 00:10:00,767 --> 00:10:04,367 was that they're taken to remove evidence. 199 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,330 If you're performing a sex act on someone, 200 00:10:07,367 --> 00:10:09,627 you're gonna leave DNA. You're gonna leave something. 201 00:10:09,667 --> 00:10:13,367 So by removing that particular item, 202 00:10:13,367 --> 00:10:15,197 you're not leaving any evidence. 203 00:10:15,233 --> 00:10:17,103 Gandy: It was scary to know 204 00:10:17,133 --> 00:10:21,203 that we were dealing with someone capable of doing that. 205 00:10:21,233 --> 00:10:23,403 And it made me wonder how difficult it was gonna be 206 00:10:23,433 --> 00:10:26,503 to catch this person. 207 00:10:26,533 --> 00:10:30,133 Narrator: A skull, a torso, and a fresh body. 208 00:10:30,133 --> 00:10:32,003 Were the remains of these two victims 209 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,370 the work of one ruthless killer? 210 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,130 Or was this simply a gruesome dumping ground? 211 00:10:37,133 --> 00:10:39,273 Gandy: The fresh body that we found 212 00:10:39,266 --> 00:10:43,126 had just been put there maybe the night before. 213 00:10:43,166 --> 00:10:46,396 Narrator: Who fell prey to these atrocious crimes? 214 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,770 Investigators worked quickly 215 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,630 to identify the most recent victim. 216 00:10:51,667 --> 00:10:56,127 Hobbs: Well, we were able to recover fingerprints from the victim. 217 00:10:56,133 --> 00:10:58,133 We were able to take those fingerprints 218 00:10:58,133 --> 00:11:00,403 and run them through a database. 219 00:11:00,433 --> 00:11:03,133 And when we did that, we got a hit that they matched 220 00:11:03,166 --> 00:11:05,996 a white male identified as Richard Montgomery. 221 00:11:13,166 --> 00:11:15,426 Jaccoud: None of us could really believe it. 222 00:11:15,433 --> 00:11:20,133 You know, I think it took a while to sink in. 223 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,270 The pictures still haunt me. 224 00:11:25,300 --> 00:11:27,230 He was just disfigured. 225 00:11:28,567 --> 00:11:31,567 I never seen anything like it. 226 00:11:31,567 --> 00:11:33,567 ( sniffling ) 227 00:11:33,567 --> 00:11:36,527 Badly beaten. 228 00:11:36,567 --> 00:11:38,527 Narrator: Just 21 years old. 229 00:11:38,567 --> 00:11:42,027 Richard Montgomery was barely an adult. 230 00:11:42,066 --> 00:11:47,066 News of his senseless murder crushed his family and friends, 231 00:11:47,100 --> 00:11:50,330 especially his buddy, John Jaccoud. 232 00:11:50,333 --> 00:11:52,303 ( crying ) 233 00:11:52,333 --> 00:11:55,303 I mean, I can't talk about it. 234 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:04,270 It's been really hard on me. 235 00:12:08,467 --> 00:12:11,267 Rich was living with his sister and his brother-in-law 236 00:12:11,300 --> 00:12:13,470 and they had a young child. 237 00:12:13,467 --> 00:12:15,427 And they, uh, they took care of Rich. 238 00:12:15,467 --> 00:12:17,327 They all took care of each other, really. 239 00:12:17,333 --> 00:12:19,173 Oh, Rich was such a great uncle. 240 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,200 You know, and he's always eager to help the family, 241 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:22,600 and he was there for them. 242 00:12:27,266 --> 00:12:29,196 Narrator: Like most kids his age, 243 00:12:29,233 --> 00:12:32,503 Rich hustled through life always chasing a buck. 244 00:12:32,500 --> 00:12:34,500 Jaccoud: He was very eager to make money. 245 00:12:34,500 --> 00:12:37,370 You know, there were some construction jobs and things. 246 00:12:37,367 --> 00:12:38,697 You know, but this, 247 00:12:38,734 --> 00:12:41,474 to contribute and help out with the family. 248 00:12:41,500 --> 00:12:44,300 Narrator: Mostly, John and Rich were just a couple of kids 249 00:12:44,333 --> 00:12:46,333 without a care in the world. 250 00:12:46,367 --> 00:12:49,097 We'd talk about cars and jobs and girls 251 00:12:49,100 --> 00:12:51,370 and things that 20-year-old people talked about back then. 252 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,370 He was, you know, tall, thin, good hair. 253 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:55,770 He was really good with the women. 254 00:12:55,767 --> 00:12:57,367 They loved the way he was. 255 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,230 He was just so full of life and people-- 256 00:12:59,233 --> 00:13:01,103 all people loved him, you know. 257 00:13:01,100 --> 00:13:03,730 We just wondered how something like that 258 00:13:03,767 --> 00:13:05,767 could even happen to Richard. 259 00:13:05,767 --> 00:13:08,727 He just did not deserve it. 260 00:13:13,300 --> 00:13:16,100 Narrator: As Rich's family and friends struggle to figure out 261 00:13:16,133 --> 00:13:21,003 why such a loved guy was so viciously murdered, 262 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,130 investigators were desperate for answers 263 00:13:23,133 --> 00:13:25,533 to these grisly crimes. 264 00:13:25,533 --> 00:13:28,533 They started by trying to identify the victim 265 00:13:28,533 --> 00:13:31,403 found in the same yard as Rich. 266 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:32,670 These two bodies that we found 267 00:13:32,700 --> 00:13:36,270 were probably feet away. 268 00:13:36,266 --> 00:13:38,396 When the torso was found, 269 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,270 the back tissue was still there. 270 00:13:41,266 --> 00:13:44,126 It was kind of preserved because it was laying on the ground. 271 00:13:44,166 --> 00:13:47,666 When they rolled the torso over, 272 00:13:47,700 --> 00:13:51,400 there was a tattoo still visible on the back. 273 00:13:51,433 --> 00:13:54,403 We basically made that tattoo public 274 00:13:54,433 --> 00:14:00,033 to try to find out anybody know a person that has this tattoo. 275 00:14:00,066 --> 00:14:03,166 Narrator: It was a bewildering case for investigators, 276 00:14:03,166 --> 00:14:06,166 who needed to act fast to catch a killer. 277 00:14:06,166 --> 00:14:09,566 But first they had to meticulously comb through the crime scene. 278 00:14:09,567 --> 00:14:12,297 Hobbs: We're probably not gonna find anything that's gonna jump out 279 00:14:12,333 --> 00:14:14,673 and say, "You got it." 280 00:14:14,700 --> 00:14:17,000 It's gonna be microscopic. 281 00:14:17,033 --> 00:14:19,173 So we gotta be very careful on what we collect, 282 00:14:19,166 --> 00:14:23,026 how we collect it, how we process the bodies. 283 00:14:23,033 --> 00:14:25,173 Gandy: We did not find any clothing in the area. 284 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:26,570 We did not find any murder weapon. 285 00:14:26,567 --> 00:14:28,427 We only could assume 286 00:14:28,433 --> 00:14:32,473 that the person responsible for murdering these people 287 00:14:32,467 --> 00:14:34,027 took their clothing with them. 288 00:14:38,333 --> 00:14:40,033 Narrator: Hours into their painstaking search, 289 00:14:40,066 --> 00:14:43,326 the detectives finally discovered a possible clue 290 00:14:43,367 --> 00:14:46,027 on the mutilated body of Richard Montgomery. 291 00:14:46,066 --> 00:14:50,326 When he was swabbed, they found a paint chip 292 00:14:50,333 --> 00:14:52,333 down by his hip. 293 00:14:52,367 --> 00:14:54,427 Narrator: The paint chip was collected 294 00:14:54,467 --> 00:14:58,197 along with other fibers and hairs. 295 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,170 Until the evidence was analyzed, 296 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:01,600 detectives could only hope 297 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,600 it would provide a link to the killer. 298 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:06,600 But a search of the backyard 299 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,730 did reveal an even more perverse MO. 300 00:15:10,734 --> 00:15:14,034 We were able to find rope marks on the trees. 301 00:15:16,500 --> 00:15:18,770 Hobbs: You consider the victim's height, 302 00:15:18,767 --> 00:15:23,197 the victim had ligature marks, 303 00:15:23,233 --> 00:15:25,503 at the same levels as the trees, 304 00:15:25,500 --> 00:15:27,630 like people were tied to it. 305 00:15:27,667 --> 00:15:31,497 And he was rubbing into the tree. 306 00:15:31,500 --> 00:15:35,200 We've got a person who's basically tortured these people. 307 00:15:38,533 --> 00:15:41,233 Narrator: Within hours, word of the horrific scene 308 00:15:41,233 --> 00:15:44,233 was circulating through the community of Charlotte County. 309 00:15:44,233 --> 00:15:47,633 Norman: As the facts trickled in, we were all wondering, 310 00:15:47,667 --> 00:15:50,497 "Who is doing this? What is happening" 311 00:15:50,533 --> 00:15:54,233 They just knew that there was a grisly murderer 312 00:15:54,233 --> 00:15:58,273 out there somewhere who was tying people up to trees 313 00:15:58,266 --> 00:16:00,766 out in the middle of nowhere. 314 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:02,730 Where nobody could hear you scream. 315 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:10,530 Narrator: As detectives began piecing together clues 316 00:16:10,533 --> 00:16:13,633 about this crime scene, they suddenly recalled the bones 317 00:16:13,667 --> 00:16:18,227 found four months earlier in a North Port backyard. 318 00:16:19,533 --> 00:16:21,403 Hobbs: I called North Port PD. 319 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,000 And told them, I said, "Hey, look, we got two more bodies." 320 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,270 At that point we started comparing notes. 321 00:16:26,266 --> 00:16:28,666 On our crime scenes, on our victims, 322 00:16:28,700 --> 00:16:31,530 and everything seemed to be the same thing 323 00:16:31,567 --> 00:16:33,267 on all three bodies. 324 00:16:33,300 --> 00:16:36,000 They were all laid out in the woods. 325 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:40,030 They were all naked with no clothing, no belongings. 326 00:16:40,033 --> 00:16:42,433 Narrator: Was it possible all three deaths were the work 327 00:16:42,467 --> 00:16:44,427 of the same sadistic killer? 328 00:16:44,467 --> 00:16:47,167 We went back out to the Browns' backyard, 329 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:51,430 and looked around and we found the same ligature marks 330 00:16:51,467 --> 00:16:53,427 on the trees up in North Port. 331 00:16:53,433 --> 00:16:55,433 Narrator: In an instant, 332 00:16:55,433 --> 00:16:58,303 the detectives greatest fear was realized. 333 00:16:58,300 --> 00:17:01,430 Now what we have is a known serial killer, 334 00:17:01,433 --> 00:17:04,403 and we know that it's gonna happen again 335 00:17:04,433 --> 00:17:05,733 if we don't catch this person. 336 00:17:15,734 --> 00:17:16,134 Narrator: 337 00:17:16,133 --> 00:17:16,473 Narrator: In the spring of 1996, 338 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,270 investigators in southwestern Florida 339 00:17:20,300 --> 00:17:22,600 had a serial killer on their hands 340 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,600 when bones and mutilated bodies started turning up 341 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:29,600 in rural backyards. 342 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,430 To catch the person behind the horrific deaths, 343 00:17:32,467 --> 00:17:36,597 investigators first needed to know who was being targeted. 344 00:17:36,633 --> 00:17:38,603 21-year-old Richard Montgomery 345 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,730 was their only identified victim. 346 00:17:41,734 --> 00:17:44,304 Gandy: We found out Richard didn't have a lot of money. 347 00:17:44,333 --> 00:17:46,603 His family didn't have a lot of money. 348 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,730 Hobbs: He drank a lot. 349 00:17:49,734 --> 00:17:52,734 He stayed wherever he happened to be that time. 350 00:17:52,734 --> 00:17:56,174 But he had a group of friends that he would hang out with. 351 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,030 Jaccoud: Last time I saw Richard he was just hanging out. 352 00:17:59,066 --> 00:18:01,296 It was just like a normal night. He might've had a couple beers. 353 00:18:01,333 --> 00:18:06,033 And I think someone busted his chops a little bit about money, you know. 354 00:18:06,066 --> 00:18:09,426 Richard just told us that he had a way to make money. 355 00:18:09,467 --> 00:18:14,167 Hobbs: He told his friend he had a gig where he was gonna go make $200 356 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,730 real quick and he'd be back in a couple hours. 357 00:18:16,767 --> 00:18:19,097 Jaccoud: He didn't give any details 358 00:18:19,100 --> 00:18:21,700 and he really was very vague about it. 359 00:18:21,734 --> 00:18:23,604 It didn't seem like it was a big deal, you know. 360 00:18:27,133 --> 00:18:31,633 Hobbs: The last time Richard was seen was by a couple friends of his. 361 00:18:31,633 --> 00:18:35,103 He was standing on Royal Road and 41 362 00:18:35,100 --> 00:18:36,470 like he was waiting for somebody. 363 00:18:36,500 --> 00:18:38,770 Narrator: Rich's trail went cold 364 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,070 on the side of that rural road. 365 00:18:42,100 --> 00:18:45,070 Investigators began to speculate. 366 00:18:45,100 --> 00:18:47,400 Did someone persuade Richard to meet up 367 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,670 with a promise of a paying job? 368 00:18:49,667 --> 00:18:52,627 And was that person his killer? 369 00:18:57,500 --> 00:18:59,230 Gandy: While we were working on this case, 370 00:18:59,266 --> 00:19:01,266 we would update the media as much as possible, 371 00:19:01,266 --> 00:19:05,766 and keep the public informed and to generate leads. 372 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,130 Narrator: The publicity turned up a critical lead 373 00:19:08,133 --> 00:19:11,003 about the tattooed torso found near Richard's body 374 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,500 in the backyard of a housing development 375 00:19:13,533 --> 00:19:16,133 when a frantic mother reached out to detectives. 376 00:19:16,133 --> 00:19:18,603 Hobbs: We received a call from a lady 377 00:19:18,633 --> 00:19:21,003 who said that she hadn't heard from her son for a while 378 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,270 and he had a tattoo like that. 379 00:19:25,300 --> 00:19:27,770 And we were able to identify that it was Kenny Smith. 380 00:19:30,433 --> 00:19:33,773 Narrator: 25-year-old Kenny Smith had recently moved to the area 381 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,030 from Naples, Florida. 382 00:19:36,066 --> 00:19:39,366 Hobbs: He would stay at flophouses, missions, 383 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:41,370 do anything for a beer. 384 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:43,170 Narrator: Though the bones found in the Browns' backyard 385 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:44,700 had yet to be identified, 386 00:19:44,734 --> 00:19:48,434 a victim profile appeared to be emerging. 387 00:19:48,433 --> 00:19:54,133 Young, impressionable white men eager to earn a buck. 388 00:19:54,166 --> 00:19:56,696 Much like Richard Montgomery. 389 00:19:56,700 --> 00:20:00,000 It appears he lured most of his victims with money. 390 00:20:00,033 --> 00:20:02,573 Gandy: Some of the victims because of they're being transient, 391 00:20:02,567 --> 00:20:05,427 they would do things to make money and so forth. 392 00:20:05,433 --> 00:20:08,403 Jaccoud: Richard might not have been the smartest guy, you know, 393 00:20:08,433 --> 00:20:10,303 and he was easily persuaded, 394 00:20:10,333 --> 00:20:13,303 but he wasn't looking to get in trouble, you know. 395 00:20:13,333 --> 00:20:15,573 But just very eager to make money. 396 00:20:18,433 --> 00:20:22,033 Narrator: The urgency to solve and stop these killings was palpable. 397 00:20:22,066 --> 00:20:25,466 And investigators quickly set up a task force. 398 00:20:25,467 --> 00:20:27,197 The criminal profiler came down, 399 00:20:27,233 --> 00:20:31,073 reviewed all of our evidence and our pictures, 400 00:20:31,100 --> 00:20:33,330 and determined, in his opinion, 401 00:20:33,367 --> 00:20:38,027 that the same person was responsible for all the crimes. 402 00:20:38,066 --> 00:20:40,296 He said he was most likely a sexual sadist. 403 00:20:42,333 --> 00:20:44,733 Basically someone who gets sexual arousal 404 00:20:44,767 --> 00:20:48,667 from everything that he's doing to these other individuals. 405 00:20:52,100 --> 00:20:55,430 Narrator: For weeks, detectives Gandy and Hobbs worked tirelessly 406 00:20:55,467 --> 00:20:58,467 to catch a presumed serial killer. 407 00:21:00,633 --> 00:21:03,773 Everyone in Southwest Florida is looking at each other 408 00:21:03,767 --> 00:21:08,767 and wondering where this monster is. 409 00:21:08,767 --> 00:21:10,627 Narrator: With every dead-end lead, 410 00:21:10,633 --> 00:21:14,633 investigators fear the killer might strike again. 411 00:21:14,633 --> 00:21:17,503 And then a tip from an unlikely source 412 00:21:17,533 --> 00:21:19,633 broke the case wide open. 413 00:21:19,633 --> 00:21:21,373 Hobbs: David Payton was an inmate 414 00:21:21,367 --> 00:21:23,597 at the Marion County Correctional Institute. 415 00:21:23,633 --> 00:21:27,433 What Payton told investigators was that he was down at Fort Myers. 416 00:21:30,133 --> 00:21:33,273 And a guy pulled up, offered him some beer, 417 00:21:33,266 --> 00:21:37,096 and they got in the car and started driving away. 418 00:21:39,133 --> 00:21:41,403 Gandy: David Payton said the person that picked him up, 419 00:21:41,433 --> 00:21:43,603 he gave him some beer, he gave him some Valium, 420 00:21:43,633 --> 00:21:45,403 he gave him some marijuana. 421 00:21:45,433 --> 00:21:47,503 And then he said the man offered to pay him 422 00:21:47,533 --> 00:21:49,133 for nude photographs 423 00:21:49,166 --> 00:21:52,726 with some bondage, being tied to trees. 424 00:21:56,133 --> 00:22:00,773 Narrator: Eager to make a few bucks, Payton went along with it. 425 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,000 Payton says that he made a turn down a road 426 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,330 and then cut back into the woods. 427 00:22:07,367 --> 00:22:12,297 Moments later, the car hit a mud puddle and got stuck. 428 00:22:12,333 --> 00:22:15,033 Hobbs: Payton had asked, "Well, I can go back there and push it out." 429 00:22:15,066 --> 00:22:17,666 He said the subject's demeanor totally changed. 430 00:22:17,700 --> 00:22:21,500 Very authoritative, "No, you stay here." 431 00:22:21,533 --> 00:22:24,433 Narrator: The man barked at Payton to get behind the wheel, 432 00:22:24,433 --> 00:22:26,373 while he got out to push. 433 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:31,270 That's when Payton made a terrifying discovery. 434 00:22:31,300 --> 00:22:33,170 Payton looked around the backseat of the car. 435 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,030 That's when he saw a rope, saw a tarp, 436 00:22:36,033 --> 00:22:38,673 and a knife on the floor. 437 00:22:38,700 --> 00:22:41,430 Now he's concerned. 438 00:22:41,467 --> 00:22:44,127 He came to realize 439 00:22:44,166 --> 00:22:47,696 that this was not about photography. 440 00:22:47,734 --> 00:22:50,504 This was about violence. 441 00:22:50,533 --> 00:22:53,303 This was about murder. 442 00:22:53,333 --> 00:22:55,173 As soon as they pushed it out of the hole, 443 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,730 Mr. Payton just floored it and took off. 444 00:22:58,734 --> 00:23:01,534 He said he was afraid for his life. 445 00:23:01,567 --> 00:23:04,267 Narrator: Payton's head was spinning with fear, booze, and drugs 446 00:23:04,300 --> 00:23:07,670 when he was pulled over by the cops in Fort Myers. 447 00:23:07,700 --> 00:23:12,330 By the time he was found, the car had been reported stolen. 448 00:23:12,367 --> 00:23:15,697 That's what Mr. Payton was charged with, that and DUI. 449 00:23:15,734 --> 00:23:18,704 Narrator: Payton tried to explain his harrowing ordeal 450 00:23:18,734 --> 00:23:20,704 to the officers. 451 00:23:20,734 --> 00:23:23,604 Hobbs: Mr. Payton had a fairly extensive record. 452 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,200 They didn't believe him. 453 00:23:26,233 --> 00:23:30,073 After we learned this incredible story, 454 00:23:30,066 --> 00:23:32,666 we did a little bit of research. 455 00:23:32,700 --> 00:23:36,500 Narrator: The car had been reported stolen hours earlier. 456 00:23:36,500 --> 00:23:39,300 The car was actually reported stolen through Charlotte County. 457 00:23:39,333 --> 00:23:42,703 So I went back, found Mr. Payton's arrest, pulled the reports, 458 00:23:42,734 --> 00:23:48,274 and the car belonged to a Daniel Conahan, Sr. 459 00:23:50,266 --> 00:23:54,626 But the person that reported it stolen was Daniel Conahan, Jr. 460 00:23:54,633 --> 00:23:58,433 Narrator: They learned 42-year-old Daniel Conahan, Jr. 461 00:23:58,467 --> 00:24:01,597 was a former navy man who moved to Florida from Chicago 462 00:24:01,633 --> 00:24:04,603 and lived with his parents in upscale Punta Gorda. 463 00:24:04,633 --> 00:24:07,373 We ran a background check on Daniel Conahan. 464 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:08,770 He had been in the military. 465 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,770 He had had a dishonorable discharge. 466 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,770 Hobbs: We spoke with the naval criminal investigation service. 467 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,000 Come to find out he had had two investigations. 468 00:24:18,033 --> 00:24:22,533 He had been out on the beach, supposedly approached some other sailors, 469 00:24:22,567 --> 00:24:24,597 and hit a guy with a rock. 470 00:24:24,633 --> 00:24:26,473 For us it was a red flag. 471 00:24:26,500 --> 00:24:29,600 Now we've got some indicators there's some violence. 472 00:24:29,633 --> 00:24:33,203 Gandy: We learned that he had employment at a local hospital 473 00:24:33,233 --> 00:24:35,403 as a licensed practical nurse. 474 00:24:37,500 --> 00:24:39,470 Once we learned that he had a medical background, 475 00:24:39,500 --> 00:24:42,270 the thought crossed our mind about the genital mutilation. 476 00:24:43,667 --> 00:24:47,367 And how clean the incisions were. 477 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,230 Hobbs: Now I'm thinking we've got a suspect 478 00:24:49,266 --> 00:24:51,726 who could be responsible for what's going on. 479 00:25:05,033 --> 00:25:05,233 Narrator: 480 00:25:05,233 --> 00:25:05,703 Narrator: After hearing a bizarre story 481 00:25:05,700 --> 00:25:06,300 Narrator: After hearing a bizarre story from inmate David Payton, 482 00:25:08,700 --> 00:25:12,400 investigators were eyeing 42-year-old local nurse, 483 00:25:12,433 --> 00:25:15,633 Daniel Conahan, Jr., as a possible serial killer. 484 00:25:17,700 --> 00:25:20,300 After they learned Conahan's violent past, 485 00:25:20,300 --> 00:25:23,170 investigators turned to an old friend of his 486 00:25:23,166 --> 00:25:26,696 for more evidence he might be their guy. 487 00:25:26,700 --> 00:25:29,700 Hobbs: We tracked down one of Mr. Conahan's old roommates. 488 00:25:29,700 --> 00:25:32,270 And during his interview, 489 00:25:32,300 --> 00:25:36,300 he had indicated that one of Mr. Conahan's fantasies 490 00:25:36,300 --> 00:25:39,200 was having to do with sexual bondage. 491 00:25:45,333 --> 00:25:50,273 Gandy: If Conahan was the guy, he's gonna kill again. 492 00:25:50,300 --> 00:25:52,030 So we could not let that happen. 493 00:25:52,066 --> 00:25:54,126 So we went all out in a 24-hour, 494 00:25:54,166 --> 00:25:56,226 seven-day-a-week surveillance on this guy. 495 00:26:04,300 --> 00:26:09,200 Hobbs: We wanted to see where he goes, what he does, who he contacts. 496 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:13,000 Gandy: The first goal is to see if we can catch him 497 00:26:13,033 --> 00:26:16,433 trying to hurt someone or establish what his pattern is. 498 00:26:16,467 --> 00:26:19,327 To see if his pattern would match the MO 499 00:26:19,333 --> 00:26:24,333 of what we believed we had with these murders. 500 00:26:24,367 --> 00:26:27,467 Narrator: Dozens of eyes followed Conahan's every move. 501 00:26:27,500 --> 00:26:30,430 It was a time consuming process, but it paid off 502 00:26:30,467 --> 00:26:34,427 when the team began noticing his strange patterns. 503 00:26:34,467 --> 00:26:36,767 Making U-turns, and right turns, left turns. 504 00:26:36,767 --> 00:26:39,027 Just to make sure nobody was following him. 505 00:26:41,066 --> 00:26:42,596 Gandy: He would drive through homeless areas 506 00:26:42,633 --> 00:26:44,233 where transients would hang out, 507 00:26:44,233 --> 00:26:46,103 bus stations, anywhere he could 508 00:26:46,133 --> 00:26:48,273 to make contact with people that were on the street. 509 00:26:50,233 --> 00:26:52,603 Hobbs: We think that he was doing that to find people 510 00:26:52,633 --> 00:26:54,233 who wouldn't be missed. 511 00:26:57,767 --> 00:26:59,697 Narrator: Conahan's patterns were suspicious 512 00:26:59,734 --> 00:27:02,434 and aligned with what investigators were looking for. 513 00:27:02,467 --> 00:27:04,527 Gandy: He made contact with several different people. 514 00:27:04,533 --> 00:27:07,273 And of course that would get everybody's hair 515 00:27:07,266 --> 00:27:10,396 on the back of their neck raising, because we were scared. 516 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,100 "Oh, my God, is he gonna pick this guy up?" 517 00:27:13,133 --> 00:27:16,103 Mr. Conahan was a hunter. 518 00:27:16,133 --> 00:27:20,103 It was almost like he was a starving animal looking for food. 519 00:27:23,266 --> 00:27:25,526 Narrator: Detectives needed to come up with a plan. 520 00:27:25,533 --> 00:27:27,773 And designed one that was risky, 521 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,100 but could ultimately bait Conahan into a trap. 522 00:27:33,233 --> 00:27:36,633 Gandy: Once we found out what Conahan was looking for, 523 00:27:36,667 --> 00:27:40,027 we decided that we would put out some decoys. 524 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,770 And we did that in several places 525 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,100 where we knew Conahan hunted. 526 00:27:49,300 --> 00:27:52,300 My supervisor came to me and asked me to do some undercover work. 527 00:27:52,300 --> 00:27:56,300 I was asked because I fit the profile 528 00:27:56,300 --> 00:27:59,300 of the last known victim. 529 00:27:59,300 --> 00:28:03,270 The last victim was similar to my age. 530 00:28:08,166 --> 00:28:09,666 We were already surveilling the suspect, 531 00:28:09,700 --> 00:28:12,670 so we knew that he went into the park. 532 00:28:12,700 --> 00:28:14,670 I knew what he looked like. 533 00:28:14,700 --> 00:28:18,400 So, I just went on foot with a hidden bug on me, 534 00:28:18,433 --> 00:28:21,573 and tried to make contact with him. 535 00:28:21,567 --> 00:28:25,297 Narrator: The undercover team anticipated a long anxious night. 536 00:28:25,300 --> 00:28:28,200 but Clemens was in the park mere minutes 537 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,070 when thing started heating up. 538 00:28:31,066 --> 00:28:35,066 Scott Clemens: I went into the bathroom and basically as I was walking out, 539 00:28:35,066 --> 00:28:37,196 Daniel Conahan was walking in. 540 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,030 And as soon as he saw me, 541 00:28:39,066 --> 00:28:41,766 he turned around and walked right back out and followed me. 542 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,000 He was on me right away. 543 00:28:47,033 --> 00:28:49,673 Kinda walked slowly and he approached me, 544 00:28:49,700 --> 00:28:52,600 and we just started making small talk. 545 00:28:52,633 --> 00:28:54,603 I made up a name 546 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,270 and told him that I had taken a bus from Georgia, 547 00:28:57,300 --> 00:29:00,000 and I wasn't familiar with the area. 548 00:29:00,033 --> 00:29:02,603 I didn't have any family here. 549 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,600 We just walked together side by side, 550 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,170 just chatting, small talk. 551 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,570 The vibe that I was getting from him 552 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,730 was that he was interested in me. 553 00:29:15,467 --> 00:29:18,097 He was obviously familiar with the park 554 00:29:18,100 --> 00:29:22,630 because he led me to about the deepest portion of the park. 555 00:29:22,633 --> 00:29:26,633 And then he asked me if I ever hustled before. 556 00:29:26,633 --> 00:29:28,633 I said, "Yes, of course." 557 00:29:28,633 --> 00:29:31,633 And then he propositioned me for sex. 558 00:29:31,633 --> 00:29:35,333 Basically asked me if I wanted to make a quick 20 bucks. 559 00:29:39,233 --> 00:29:41,373 Of course I said yes, 560 00:29:41,367 --> 00:29:43,497 because if I would've said no it would've been suspicious. 561 00:29:43,500 --> 00:29:46,730 I asked him to see the $20 and he said he didn't have it. 562 00:29:46,767 --> 00:29:49,427 Then at that time he wanted the two of us 563 00:29:49,467 --> 00:29:52,197 to go for a ride to the ATM, 564 00:29:52,233 --> 00:29:54,203 and then we would get the money. 565 00:29:54,233 --> 00:29:56,773 We did not want Scotty to get into the car with him, 566 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,330 because we could not control that. 567 00:29:58,367 --> 00:30:00,667 Hobbs: That was nerve-racking. 568 00:30:00,667 --> 00:30:03,627 We're close by but we're not standing right there with him. 569 00:30:03,667 --> 00:30:06,627 And he's not armed. 570 00:30:06,667 --> 00:30:08,527 Narrator: Clemens didn't get into the car, 571 00:30:08,533 --> 00:30:12,503 and coyly asked Daniel what else he'd like. 572 00:30:12,533 --> 00:30:15,673 Clemens: He wanted to take naked pictures of me 573 00:30:15,667 --> 00:30:17,527 and he would pay me. 574 00:30:17,533 --> 00:30:19,733 And he wanted to do this in the woods, 575 00:30:19,767 --> 00:30:21,397 and he explained to me 576 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:22,470 that there would be bondage. 577 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,000 Yeah, I'm thinking, "Wow, this is the exact same MO 578 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,700 that he was doing to these other victims. 579 00:30:31,700 --> 00:30:34,530 Hobbs: We were afraid that if he felt something was wrong 580 00:30:34,567 --> 00:30:37,227 that he could just go off and do something real quick. 581 00:30:39,033 --> 00:30:40,733 That would harm the detective. 582 00:30:50,300 --> 00:30:50,500 Narrator: 583 00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:51,030 Narrator: On a hot and humid 584 00:30:51,033 --> 00:30:51,273 Narrator: On a hot and humid Florida night, 585 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:57,270 an elaborate undercover operation was reaching a pivotal moment. 586 00:30:57,300 --> 00:31:01,570 Undercover cop Scott Clemens just lured suspected serial killer 587 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,500 Daniel Conahan, Jr., into his trap. 588 00:31:04,533 --> 00:31:09,303 He told me that he wanted to take pictures of me naked, 589 00:31:09,333 --> 00:31:12,403 and he wanted to take them in the woods. 590 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,170 At the time, our policy was, you know, you can't get naked. 591 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,000 So I told him I didn't have time, 592 00:31:21,033 --> 00:31:23,203 that I was in a rush to be somewhere else. 593 00:31:23,233 --> 00:31:25,303 After I kinda shut him down, 594 00:31:25,333 --> 00:31:29,173 I think he started to become a little suspicious of me. 595 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,330 Narrator: Conahan suddenly stopped his advances toward Clemens 596 00:31:32,333 --> 00:31:36,333 and took off, and the operation was shut down for the night. 597 00:31:38,433 --> 00:31:40,433 But after so much surveillance 598 00:31:40,467 --> 00:31:43,327 and plenty of probably cause on Conahan, 599 00:31:43,333 --> 00:31:46,603 investigators already had a backup plan in place. 600 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,430 We conducted a traffic stop on U.S. 41 in Punta Gorda. 601 00:31:50,467 --> 00:31:52,127 Gandy: I explained who we were 602 00:31:52,166 --> 00:31:53,666 and that we were investigating these crimes, 603 00:31:53,700 --> 00:31:55,730 and that his name had come up in these crimes. 604 00:31:55,767 --> 00:31:59,327 And that I would like to sit down and talk with him, 605 00:31:59,367 --> 00:32:01,097 if he would be willing to do that. 606 00:32:01,133 --> 00:32:03,773 To my surprise, he agreed to-- to talk with us. 607 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,600 Narrator: The stakes were high 608 00:32:05,633 --> 00:32:09,473 and investigators knew a confession was key. 609 00:32:09,500 --> 00:32:11,470 Afraid of spooking their suspect, 610 00:32:11,500 --> 00:32:14,230 they didn't haul him into the station. 611 00:32:14,233 --> 00:32:16,233 Gandy: We had already set up a motel room 612 00:32:16,233 --> 00:32:19,273 that was wired with video and audio. 613 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,430 So we went into the motel. 614 00:32:23,467 --> 00:32:25,427 In the next room was a team 615 00:32:25,467 --> 00:32:28,097 that was monitoring this conversation. 616 00:32:28,100 --> 00:32:30,300 - Would you like some water or something? - Yes, I would. 617 00:32:30,333 --> 00:32:31,603 Yes, no problem. Got some right here. 618 00:32:31,633 --> 00:32:33,633 He was friendly. I think that he thought 619 00:32:33,633 --> 00:32:36,303 he was probably the smartest person in the room. 620 00:32:36,333 --> 00:32:38,103 And I think that's why he decided 621 00:32:38,133 --> 00:32:40,103 that he would talk to us. 622 00:33:01,133 --> 00:33:03,533 Gandy: I was nice to him, I didn't put any pressure on him. 623 00:33:03,533 --> 00:33:07,073 He was obviously nervous because under the table-- 624 00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:09,000 We had a tablecloth. 625 00:33:09,033 --> 00:33:11,733 You'll see that tablecloth moving rapidly. 626 00:33:11,767 --> 00:33:14,397 That's him patting his foot underneath the table. 627 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,570 I asked him if he'd ever taken part in bondage with anyone. 628 00:33:27,033 --> 00:33:30,473 Narrator: Conahan had no idea investigators knew otherwise. 629 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,300 Gandy: I think he underestimated our investigation to that point. 630 00:34:11,333 --> 00:34:13,303 He had no clue how massive it was. 631 00:34:13,333 --> 00:34:15,333 How much information we had. 632 00:34:30,367 --> 00:34:32,197 - ( laughs ) - I understand that, 633 00:34:32,233 --> 00:34:35,203 but let's get beyond the embarrassment-- 634 00:34:35,233 --> 00:34:38,433 Narrator: Detectives waited until they knew they had Conahan 635 00:34:38,467 --> 00:34:40,197 backed into a corner, 636 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,230 then hit him with another surprise. 637 00:34:43,233 --> 00:34:45,603 Hobbs: We had obtained enough probably cause 638 00:34:45,633 --> 00:34:48,573 that Conahan could be connected to these crimes, 639 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,700 that I was able to obtain a search warrant. 640 00:35:09,233 --> 00:35:11,073 Hobbs: While he was being interviewed, 641 00:35:11,100 --> 00:35:13,770 that's when we processed his house. 642 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,770 We picked up some of his clothing. 643 00:35:15,767 --> 00:35:19,227 We actually found a quarter inch rope, 644 00:35:19,266 --> 00:35:22,626 pliers, paring knives, tarps. 645 00:35:22,633 --> 00:35:26,303 A lot of the items that would normally be in a murder kit. 646 00:35:28,266 --> 00:35:30,096 Narrator: There was another small 647 00:35:30,133 --> 00:35:32,103 but potentially significant piece of evidence 648 00:35:32,133 --> 00:35:34,503 the team was hoping to link to Conahan. 649 00:35:34,533 --> 00:35:38,773 One piece of evidence came from the body of Richard Montgomery. 650 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:44,770 When he was swabbed, they found a paint chip down by his hip. 651 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,500 When we served the search warrants 652 00:35:46,533 --> 00:35:48,373 on Mr. Conahan's blue car, 653 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:53,330 we also collected samples of paint. 654 00:35:53,367 --> 00:35:55,627 Narrator: The samples, along with the other evidence, 655 00:35:55,667 --> 00:35:58,267 were rushed out for testing. 656 00:35:58,266 --> 00:36:00,196 Investigators at the motel were hoping 657 00:36:00,233 --> 00:36:04,103 to skillfully pull a confession out of Daniel Conahan. 658 00:36:17,166 --> 00:36:19,396 Gandy: I thought maybe once he knew 659 00:36:19,433 --> 00:36:22,573 I caught him in some lies or some untruths 660 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,770 that he would maybe give me a little bit more information, 661 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,170 but that didn't happen. 662 00:36:27,166 --> 00:36:29,266 Eventually I can tell he's getting tired, 663 00:36:29,300 --> 00:36:31,000 he getting to the point 664 00:36:31,033 --> 00:36:33,103 where he may be feeling a little bit threatened. 665 00:36:33,133 --> 00:36:35,773 So I decided that it was time to shut the interview down, 666 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,400 because I wanted another chance to interview him. 667 00:36:39,433 --> 00:36:42,403 So I wanted to leave on a good note, 668 00:36:42,433 --> 00:36:44,173 and that's the way we ended it. 669 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,530 - Y'all set? - Yeah. 670 00:36:46,567 --> 00:36:49,727 Hobbs: A little frustrating that we didn't get a confession, 671 00:36:49,734 --> 00:36:51,204 but we were in the right direction. 672 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,270 Very well. Thank you for your time. 673 00:36:56,333 --> 00:36:59,073 Narrator: Certain Conahan was behind the grisly murders 674 00:36:59,100 --> 00:37:01,700 of Richard Montgomery and two other victims, 675 00:37:01,734 --> 00:37:04,204 detectives kept close tabs on him. 676 00:37:04,233 --> 00:37:06,673 They were waiting for the test results of the paint chip 677 00:37:06,700 --> 00:37:09,330 or for Conahan to make a misstep 678 00:37:09,367 --> 00:37:12,267 when another haunting story surfaced. 679 00:37:12,300 --> 00:37:14,200 I was approached by a detective 680 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,470 from the Fort Myers Police Department. 681 00:37:16,500 --> 00:37:20,470 He says, "You know, we had one just like that down in Fort Myers." 682 00:37:20,500 --> 00:37:22,530 And I said, "Excuse me?" 683 00:37:22,567 --> 00:37:26,167 He says, "Yeah, we had just like that, but ours lived." 684 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,130 And I said, "What?" 685 00:37:39,266 --> 00:37:39,466 Narrator: 686 00:37:39,467 --> 00:37:39,997 Narrator: In 1996, detectives 687 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:40,400 Narrator: In 1996, detectives in Florida were closing in 688 00:37:42,633 --> 00:37:47,233 on Daniel Conahan, Jr., a suspected serial killer. 689 00:37:47,233 --> 00:37:50,433 They finally got a major break in the case, 690 00:37:50,467 --> 00:37:55,497 after another victim narrowly escaped death. 691 00:37:55,500 --> 00:38:00,170 Gandy: This victim was picked up, taken to the woods, 692 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,230 given narcotics. 693 00:38:03,266 --> 00:38:06,366 Lightly tied to a tree and then cinched. 694 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,470 Hobbs: He took some pictures, 695 00:38:11,500 --> 00:38:14,670 and then given the excuse, "Well, I gotta adjust this, adjust that." 696 00:38:14,700 --> 00:38:17,230 And the next thing you know, 697 00:38:17,266 --> 00:38:19,596 the guy's pinned up against a tree. 698 00:38:19,633 --> 00:38:24,233 Victim was able to stay alive by pretending to pass out. 699 00:38:30,633 --> 00:38:34,003 We showed this detective a photograph 700 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,400 of Richard Montgomery's injuries. 701 00:38:37,433 --> 00:38:39,733 And he said, "Oh, my God! 702 00:38:39,767 --> 00:38:42,127 Those injuries are identical 703 00:38:42,166 --> 00:38:45,266 to the injuries that my victim had." 704 00:38:45,300 --> 00:38:49,600 Hobbs: Detectives give him a photo array of six photographs. 705 00:38:49,633 --> 00:38:51,673 And as soon as they laid that line up on the table, 706 00:38:51,667 --> 00:38:54,167 he put his finger and boom. 707 00:38:54,166 --> 00:38:55,426 That's him. 708 00:38:55,433 --> 00:38:56,703 That was Daniel Conahan. 709 00:38:58,333 --> 00:39:00,573 We had more than sufficient evidence. 710 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,030 The judge agreed. 711 00:39:03,066 --> 00:39:06,496 And we arrested him. 712 00:39:06,533 --> 00:39:08,703 Gandy: We charged him with the attempted murder 713 00:39:08,700 --> 00:39:11,570 and rape of this other victim. 714 00:39:11,567 --> 00:39:14,697 Narrator: Daniel Conahan was safely off the streets. 715 00:39:14,700 --> 00:39:17,770 But to charge him with the murders of Richard Montgomery 716 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:23,030 or Kenny Smith, investigators needed more evidence. 717 00:39:23,066 --> 00:39:27,096 Hobbs: During the examination at the medical examiner's office, 718 00:39:27,133 --> 00:39:30,033 Richard Montgomery was swabbed. 719 00:39:30,033 --> 00:39:33,703 They found a paint chip by his hip. 720 00:39:33,700 --> 00:39:36,730 When we served the search warrants on Mr. Conahan's car, 721 00:39:36,734 --> 00:39:40,434 we also collected samples of paint. 722 00:39:42,100 --> 00:39:45,470 We were able to process those paint samples. 723 00:39:45,467 --> 00:39:51,067 And these two particular samples matched. 724 00:39:51,066 --> 00:39:55,226 That paint chip puts Mr. Conahan's car with Mr. Montgomery. 725 00:39:57,100 --> 00:40:00,200 That was huge. 726 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,600 Gandy: We were able to establish we had physical evidence, 727 00:40:02,633 --> 00:40:07,073 we had his MO, we had enough at that time 728 00:40:07,066 --> 00:40:12,526 that we charged him with the murder of Richard Montgomery. 729 00:40:12,567 --> 00:40:14,327 Jaccoud: It was a big relief to a lot of people 730 00:40:14,367 --> 00:40:17,367 and a little bit of closure to what happened to Richard. 731 00:40:17,367 --> 00:40:21,627 Norman: It just makes you wonder the depth of his insanity, 732 00:40:21,667 --> 00:40:24,627 'cause at the bottom of this there's definitely 733 00:40:24,667 --> 00:40:27,997 a very sick, twisted mind. 734 00:40:32,233 --> 00:40:34,633 Narrator: With the help of one fortunate survivor 735 00:40:34,633 --> 00:40:36,503 and the collection of evidence, 736 00:40:36,500 --> 00:40:40,030 detectives pieced together exactly how Daniel Conahan 737 00:40:40,066 --> 00:40:43,066 carried out his horrific crimes. 738 00:40:44,767 --> 00:40:47,497 Hobbs: Mr. Conahan would pick 'em up. 739 00:40:47,500 --> 00:40:49,500 They would be going back into the woods 740 00:40:49,533 --> 00:40:53,233 under the guise of posing nude. 741 00:40:53,233 --> 00:40:54,633 In a bondage scenario. 742 00:40:56,667 --> 00:41:01,427 And he'd offer them anywhere from $20 to $100, $200. 743 00:41:02,700 --> 00:41:05,270 He would call it light bondage, 744 00:41:05,266 --> 00:41:09,226 which would be ropes tied around them very loosely. 745 00:41:09,266 --> 00:41:13,466 He had a method somehow of cinching those ropes 746 00:41:13,500 --> 00:41:17,270 to where his victims could not protect themself 747 00:41:17,266 --> 00:41:20,196 and could not fight back. 748 00:41:20,233 --> 00:41:22,103 Ultimately, he would strangle them. 749 00:41:30,767 --> 00:41:32,397 Narrator: Without enough evidence 750 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,400 to tie him to the murder of Kenny Smith, 751 00:41:34,433 --> 00:41:36,403 Daniel Conahan, Jr. stood trial 752 00:41:36,433 --> 00:41:38,273 for the murder of Richard Montgomery 753 00:41:38,266 --> 00:41:42,266 on August 9, 1999. 754 00:41:42,300 --> 00:41:45,300 Hobbs: Mr. Conahan pled not guilty all the way up. 755 00:41:45,300 --> 00:41:48,300 He never admitted anything. 756 00:41:48,300 --> 00:41:50,300 Narrator: After an eight-day trial, 757 00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:53,170 Conahan was convicted of first-degree murder. 758 00:41:53,166 --> 00:41:56,126 Hobbs: When it came time for his sentencing 759 00:41:56,166 --> 00:41:58,566 the jury ultimately decided he should receive the death penalty. 760 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,630 Narrator: Investigators never learned the identity of the John Doe, 761 00:42:09,667 --> 00:42:12,697 whose bones were found in Susan Brown's backyard. 762 00:42:12,700 --> 00:42:17,100 And, sadly, they believed even more unidentified victims 763 00:42:17,133 --> 00:42:19,173 were killed by Conahan. 764 00:42:19,166 --> 00:42:22,466 Hobbs: During the investigation, we estimated 765 00:42:22,467 --> 00:42:26,297 that there probably 16 victims out there. 766 00:42:29,166 --> 00:42:34,066 Norman: To try to understand why a sick killer like Daniel Conahan 767 00:42:34,100 --> 00:42:36,470 does what he does is anybody's guess. 768 00:42:36,467 --> 00:42:40,727 You see a need to control. 769 00:42:42,734 --> 00:42:46,474 And you see that with a lot of serial killers. 770 00:42:46,467 --> 00:42:49,327 A whole lot of people remember him. 771 00:42:49,333 --> 00:42:52,433 And that's something that's gonna be part of the history 772 00:42:52,467 --> 00:42:57,467 and lore of-- of that place for generations. 773 00:42:57,467 --> 00:42:59,267 Narrator: Jean Jaccoud chooses 774 00:42:59,300 --> 00:43:02,100 to remember his close friend Richard Montgomery, 775 00:43:02,100 --> 00:43:06,100 and the life stolen from him far too soon. 776 00:43:06,100 --> 00:43:07,600 Jaccoud: I really spent a lot of time trying to forget 777 00:43:07,633 --> 00:43:09,773 about exactly what happened to him. 778 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,570 What I let people know about Richard is that, you know, 779 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,570 he would've made something of himself. 780 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,230 He really would have. 781 00:43:17,266 --> 00:43:19,766 He would've had everything everybody else has. 782 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,630 That's all he ever wanted. 783 00:43:22,633 --> 00:43:26,373 Have a life and, uh, and it was taken. 784 00:43:26,367 --> 00:43:29,127 That was taken from him. 60796

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